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WOULD YOU KINDLY TAKE ROLL? OKAY.OH, WE'RE GONNA USE YOU TO RECORD.
DO WE, UH, CAN WE HAVE A VOTE ON IF YOU WANNA READ THE RECOMMENDATION AND THEN YOU CAN TAKE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALRIGHT, SO, RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE, UH, GOLF ADVISORY COMMITTEE HELD ON THURSDAY, AUGUST 3RD.
ALL THOSE APPROVING THE RECOMMENDATION.
WE NEED A MOTION FIRST AND THEN A SECOND.
SO MOVE SECOND, MR. AND IS THERE ANY, AND THEN CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
ARE THERE ANY, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS ABOUT THE MINUTES? NONE.
PARDON? VOTE ON, ON APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
MAY I HAVE A VOTE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.
IF YOU'D LIKE, YOU CAN JUST SAY, NEXT ITEM, CLERK.
DID YOU WANT US TO READ THE ITEM? NO, I, I CAN READ THEM.
AND SO THIS, THAT'S LIKE A FOREIGN LANGUAGE TO ME.
A RECOMMENDATION, UH, TO RECEIVE AND FILE A PRESENTATION OF THE BROWN ACT BY DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY ANITA LAHAN.
ALL THOSE THAT APPROVE THAT RECOMMENDATION, SAY, AYE.
WE JUST NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND AT THIS POINT.
ANITA, DO YOU WANT THE MOUSE FOR YOUR, UM, YES.
I WORK WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
UM, I'VE BEEN WITH THE CITY FOR, UM, ABOUT TWO YEARS NOW.
AND BEFORE I WAS A DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY WITH THE CITY OF NEWPORT BEACH.
AND THEN BEFORE THAT I WORKED IN PRIVATE PRACTICE, UM, REPRESENTING MUNICIPAL LAW FIRMS ACROSS SOUTHEAST DELY COUNTY AREA.
SO TODAY WE HAVE A PRESENTATION TO GO OVER THE BROWN ACT AND ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER.
UM, SO I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.
SO, GENERAL BROWN ACT PRINCIPLES, UM, THESE ARE JUST GENERAL GUIDELINES FOR HOW TO CONDUCT OPEN MEETINGS SUCH AS TODAY.
SO ALL MEETINGS SHALL BE OPEN AND PUBLIC.
UM, ACTIONS AND DELIBERATIONS MUST BE TAKEN OPENLY.
ALL PERSONS SHALL BE PERMITTED TO ATTEND AND PARTICIPATE, MEANING MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE ABLE TO ATTEND AND, UM, ONLY MATTERS THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA CAN BE DISCUSSED AT THE MEETING.
SO, WHO IS SUBJECT TO THE BROWN ACT? ALL LEGISLATIVE BODIES, UM, THAT ARE CREATED UNDER THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY'S CHARTER HAVE TO FOLLOW THE BROWN ACT.
AND SO THAT APPLIES TO, UM, THIS COMMITTEE HERE TODAY.
THE BROWN ACT ALSO APPLIES TO SUBCOMMITTEES THAT ARE FORMED UNDER THIS BODY.
UM, BUT IT DOESN'T APPLY TO TEMPORARY AD HOC SUBCOMMITTEES THAT ARE CREATED FOR A LIMITED FIRST PURPOSE AND A LIMITED TIME.
UH, SO A MEETING IS A MAJORITY OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS, UM, FOR AT THE SAME TIME IN THE SAME PLACE DISCUSSING MATTERS OF PUBLIC BUSINESS.
SO ONE THING WE WANT TO, UM, YOU KNOW, ADVISE ABOUT IS TO AVOID SERIAL MEETINGS OR SERIES OF COMMUNICATIONS.
SO NOWADAYS, ONE COMMISSION MEMBER MIGHT BE SPEAKING TO ANOTHER COMMISSION MEMBER VIA EMAIL.
UM, WE GET THE EMAIL AND WE WANNA FORWARD IT TO ANOTHER COMMISSIONER.
AND THEN THAT COMMISSIONER REPLIES
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TO, UM, THE TWO THAT ARE ALREADY ON THE EMAIL CHAIN AND ADDS TWO MORE.SO ONCE YOU START GETTING A MAJORITY, AT THAT POINT, IT'S A MEETING AND YOU HAVE TO THEN HAVE YOUR ENTIRE CONVERSATION OPEN AND PUBLIC.
SO THAT GOES FOR TEXT MESSAGES, FACEBOOK MESSAGES, IF YOU HAVE A POST ABOUT AN EVENT, AND START TALKING ABOUT AN AGENDA ITEM THAT'S COMING UP NEXT WEEK.
UM, BUT YOU CAN, UM, JUST NOT REPLY ALL IF ALL OF YOU'RE ON THE SAME EMAIL.
UM, JUST BE BE CAREFUL FOR THAT.
UM, SO DOES THIS MEAN YOU CAN'T TALK TO EACH OTHER AT ALL?
UM, AND YOU CAN TALK TO CONSTITUENTS, ADVOCATES, YOU KNOW, OF WHATEVER YOU NEED TO DO TO CONDUCT PUBLIC BUSINESS, BUT IT'S JUST IF THERE'S A MAJORITY OF YOU AT THE SAME TIME TALKING, UH, IF YOU HAPPEN TO RUN INTO EACH OTHER AT A CONFERENCE OR A BIRTHDAY PARTY OR A COMMUNITY MEETING FOR NOT, YOU CAN STILL TALK AND HANG OUT IN A MAJORITY, BUT AGAIN, JUST NOT ABOUT THE PUBLIC BUSINESS THAT'S ON THE AGENDA OR MATTERS THAT COULD BE SUBJECT TO THE GOLF ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
SO, GENERAL RULES ABOUT MEETINGS.
UM, REGULAR MEETINGS SUCH AS THE ONE TODAY.
UH, AGENDAS NEEDED TO BE POSTED 72 HOURS BEFORE THE MEETING.
THERE MIGHT BE A TIME WHEN THE CHAIR WOULD LIKE TO CALL FOR AN EMERGENCY ITEM.
IT NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED WITHIN THE 72 HOURS.
AND, UM, YOU HAVE AN OPTION TO CALL A SPECIAL MEETING, AND THAT CAN BE CALLED 24 HOURS BEFORE.
THAT COULD BE CALLED BY A MAJORITY OF THE COMMISSION OR JUST THE CHAIR.
SO WHAT NEEDS TO GO ON THE AGENDA? EVERY ITEM, UM, NEEDS TO HAVE A GENERAL DESCRIPTION.
YOU HAVE TO INCLUDE THE DATE, TIME, AND LOCATION OF THE MEETING LIKE WE HAVE ON OUR AGENDA HERE TODAY.
UM, EACH ITEM MUST INFORM THE PUBLIC THE SCOPE OF THE PLANS.
SO THEN THE PUBLIC CAN DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANNA ATTEND, UM, THE MEETING TODAY.
AND THEN THEY CAN HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE OR PROVIDE THEIR PUBLIC COMMENT.
THE AGENDA NEEDS TO BE POSTED IN AN AREA THAT'S FREELY ACCESSIBLE TO ALL PEOPLE IN THE CITY.
UH, IS THE AGENDA ITSELF POSTED OR IS IT JUST ONLINE WHERE PEOPLE CAN GO AND LOOK AT IT? SO I WILL DEFER TO YOUR TEAM ON THAT.
BUT DO WE POST IT PUBLICLY? OTHERWISE? I DON'T BELIEVE WE DO.
I THINK NOWADAYS IT MIGHT JUST BE ONLINE.
UM, BUT I KNOW FOR CITY COUNCIL AND, UM, OTHER MEETINGS, THEY DO HAVE IT POSTED ON THE WINDOW OUTSIDE OF CITY HALL AND YEAH, BUT AS LONG AS IT'S ON, AS YOU'RE WALKING IN, AS YOU'RE WALKING IN, RIGHT? USING, ALL RIGHT.
SO THE PUBLIC HAS A RIGHT TO COMMENT AT EVERY MEETING.
THEY CAN COMMENT ON EACH ITEM, UH, SEPARATELY AND AT THE END, OR BEFORE, THERE NEEDS TO BE A TIME WHERE THE PUBLIC CAN COMMENT ON SOMETHING THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA.
THAT'S UNDER THE GOLF ADVISORY COMMITTEE'S PER REVIEW.
WE HAVE TO ALLOW THE PUBLICS TO COMMENT ON THESE ITEMS AND GIVE THEM, UM, THEIR FAIR AMOUNT OF TIME.
BUT IF, UH, WE NEED TO, WE CAN PUT REASONABLE REGULATIONS AND TIME LIMITS ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT TO HAVE A, UM, AN ORDER MEETING.
SO THE PUBLIC HAS A RIGHT TO RECORD THE MEETING, EITHER BY AUDIO OR VIDEO AND TAKE PHOTOGRAPHS BECAUSE THIS IS A PUBLIC, UH, MEETING BY NATURE.
UM, THE PUBLIC HAS THE RIGHT TO REVIEW AGENDAS.
IT'S POSTED PUBLICLY, BUT ALSO ANY, UH, WRITINGS THAT ARE DISTRIBUTED AMONGST YOU ALL BEFORE THE MEETING, IF IT'S PERTAINING TO AN ITEM.
UM, OR IF THERE ARE DISCUSSIONS AFTER, UH, JUST BE CAREFUL TO NOTE THAT THE COMMUNICATIONS YOU DO HAVE WITH STAFF AND YOUR OTHER COMMISSION MEMBERS MIGHT BE SUBJECT TO PUBLIC RECORD.
SO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE JUST SPEAKING SOLELY ABOUT THE PUBLIC'S BUSINESS.
AND IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING PERSONAL IN THERE, UM, JUST BE SURE NOT TO INCLUDE IT BECAUSE IT MIGHT BE SUBJECT TO DISCLOSURE.
AND ANOTHER THING IS THAT ALL VOTES NEED TO BE DONE OPENLY LIKE YOU DID AT THIS ITEM BEFORE YOU ALL PUBLICLY SAID AYE OR NAY.
UM, NO SECRET BALLOTS ARE ALLOWED.
YOUR VOTES NEED TO BE RECORDED OUT LOUD.
I'M NOT SURE IF THIS COMMITTEE HAS EVER HAD CLOSED SESSIONS, BUT IF YOU EVER DO, UM, THEY TAKE PLACE IN PRIVATE WITHOUT THE PUBLIC OR THE PRESS, THEY ARE ONLY PERTAINING TO THREE, UH, THREE PURPOSES.
ONE IS IF THERE'S AN ANTICIPATION OF LITIGATION, UM, THERE'S A PUBLIC EMPLOYMENT ISSUE, UM, OR THERE'S A PUBLIC SECURITY ISSUE.
SO WHAT HAPPENS IF A COMMISSIONER VIOLATES THE BROWN ACT? UM, SO ANY INTERESTED PARTY CAN BRING AN ACTION AGAINST THE COMMISSION COMMISSIONERS OR THE CITY FOR VIOLATIONS OF THE BROWN ACT.
AND ANY INTERESTED PARTY IS SO VAGUE, RIGHT? THAT MEANS ANY PUBLIC CITIZEN THAT, UM, HAS A, UH, INTEREST IN THE
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MATTER.UM, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THEY, UH, SUED AND WON IS THAT THE CITY WOULD BE LIABLE FOR THE COSTS OF THEIR LAWSUIT AND ALL OF THE FEES THAT THEY SPEND ON THE ATTORNEY.
THERE MAY ALSO BE CRIMINAL PENALTIES SUCH AS A MISDEMEANOR.
ALL RIGHT, SO THAT IS IT FOR THE BROWN ACT.
NOW WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD TO ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER.
AND THIS, UM, IS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL MAYBE HAVE SEEN IT, IT'S A LITTLE HANDBOOK, KIND OF THIS THICK.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO CONDENSE IT FOR YOU, UM, WITH SOME GENERAL PRINCIPLES THAT YOU CAN FOLLOW.
SO THE PURPOSE OF ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER IS TO HAVE FAIRNESS AND COURTESY FOR ALL OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS HERE TODAY.
UM, ALLOW ALL BOARD MEMBERS TO HAVE INPUT ON EACH MATTER, THE IDEA THAT MAJORITY RULES, UM, JUST TO KIND OF HAVE A MAINTENANCE OF ORDER DURING THE MEETING.
UH, CONSIDER ONE ITEM AT A TIME.
IT'S JUST BETTER FOR, YOU KNOW, FLOW AND DECORUM AND TO ENSURE THAT ALL COMMITTEE MEMBERS, UM, ARE HEARD, UM, AND ABLE TO SPEAK THEIR OPINION ON EACH AGENDA ITEM.
SO, OTHER BASIC PRINCIPLES OF ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER ARE THAT A QUORUM MUST BE PRESENT FOR A MEETING.
UH, NO PERSON CAN SPEAK UNTIL RECOGNIZED BY THE CHAIR.
THIS JUST PROVIDES SOME ORDER.
IF TWO OR THREE COMMITTEE MEMBERS WANNA TALK, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO HEAR EVERYONE, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE GATHERING MINUTES AND RECORDING THE MEETING.
SO IT'S BEST IF THE CHAIR CALLS ON YOU, AND THEN YOU CAN SPEAK.
UM, PERSONAL REMARKS DURING DEBATE ARE OUT OF ORDER.
WE HAVE TO REMAIN, UM, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE PUBLIC'S BUSINESS AND KEEPING OUR PERSONAL MIND PERSONAL THOUGHTS AND BIASES OUT.
UM, ONLY ONE ITEM AT A TIME MAY BE CONSIDERED AND ONLY ONE PERSON MAY HAVE THE FLOOR AT ONE TIME.
ALL DISCUSSIONS MUST BE RELATED TO THE AGENDA ITEM.
UM, NO MEMBER SHOULD SPEAK MORE THAN ONCE UNTIL EVERYONE ELSE HAS BEEN HEARD.
UH, THAT'S TO ALLOW FOR FAIRNESS.
AND, UM, ALL REMARKS MUST BE ADDRESSED TO THE CHAIR.
SOME OF THESE ARE PRETTY DUPLICATIVE, BUT, UM, THE LAST THING HERE IS THAT SPEAKERS AT PUBLIC COMMENT, UM, WE'LL HAVE THEIR COMMENTS DIRECTED TO THE CHAIR.
AND SOMETIMES THERE MAY BE AN INSTANCE WHERE THERE BECOMES AQ AND A SESSION OR THERE'S A, A DEBATE HAPPENING WITH THE PUBLIC COMMENTER.
WE WANNA BE SURE THAT WE JUST HEAR THEIR PUBLIC COMMENTS, ACKNOWLEDGE THE COMMENTS, AND NOT ENGAGE IN A DISCUSSION, BECAUSE TECHNICALLY THAT ITEM MIGHT NOT BE ON THE AGENDA.
AND SO YOU SHOULDN'T BE TALKING ABOUT IT.
BUT A BRIEF RESPONSE IS COMPLETELY OKAY TO THE REQUESTER.
UM, CAN THE CHAIR VOTE ALSO ALONG WITH THE MEMBERS? UM, IT DEPENDS HOW THE BODY IS STRUCTURED.
UM, LIKE THE MAYOR WITH THE CITY COUNCIL, THE MAYOR WON'T VOTE, BUT HE'LL STILL LEAD AND CONDUCT THE MEETING.
SO THE ROLE OF THE CHAIR, UM, THE ROLE OF THE CHAIR IS TO RUN AN ORDERLY MEETING, WHICH COMPLIES WITH THE BROWN ACT, UM, TO INTRODUCE ALL OF THE BUSINESS AND THE PROPER ORDER OF THE AGENDA TO RECOGNIZE THE SPEAKERS, UM, RECOGNIZE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC OR THE COMMISSION MEMBER, COMMITTEE MEMBERS THAT ARE SPEAKING, UM, TO DETERMINE WHEN TO, UM, CALL FOR A MOTION TO KEEP THE DISCUSSION FOCUSED ON THE AGENDA, UH, TO ENFORCE TIME LIMITS FAIRLY.
WE MIGHT HAVE A LOT OF PUBLIC COMMENTERS AT ONE POINT, AND YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, CAP THE TIME, UM, TO RUN AN ORDERLY MEETING.
UM, AND THE CHAIR IS ABLE TO PUT MOTIONS TO A VOTE AND ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.
UM, SO ANY COMMISSION MEMBER, INCLUDING THE CHAIR,
THE PURPOSE OF MAKING A MOTION IS JUST TO PUT THE MATTER ON THE FLOOR SO YOU CAN START TALKING ABOUT IT.
EVERY MOTION NEEDS A SECOND BEFORE IT CAN BE DISCUSSED.
SO LET'S SAY THERE'S A MATTER OF CONTENTION, SOMEONE MAKES A FIRST, BUT IF A COMMITTEE MEMBER DOESN'T MAKE A SECOND, WE CAN'T START TALKING ABOUT IT.
UM, AND THEN SOMEONE OTHER THAN MAKER OF THE FIRST NEEDS TO MAKE THE SECOND.
THAT CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION.
JUST A QUICK LITTLE SNIPPET ON THE BROWN ACT.
UM, HOW TO CONDUCT OPEN AND PUBLIC MEETINGS, AND THEN ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER, KIND OF JUST THE DECORUM AND, UM, BEST PRACTICES FOR RUNNING THE PUBLIC MEETINGS.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I CAN TAKE THEM NOW.
AND IF THEY DON'T COME TO YOU NOW, YOU CAN ALWAYS EMAIL, UM, LORI OR LILY AND YOU KNOW, THEY'LL FORWARD 'EM OVER TO ME.
I DO KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF YOUTUBE VIDEOS THAT DEAL WITH THIS, AND THEY'LL REENACT SITUATIONS.
WISH I KNEW MORE, BUT YEAH, IT'S AFTER.
YEAH, I'LL, I'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
MAYBE I FIND AN INTERESTING ONE.
I'LL PUT IT IN MY NEXT PRESENTATION.
IS IT OKAY FOR THE PUBLIC TO DIRECT THE QUESTION? PUBLIC QUESTION.
SO WE WOULD TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT THERE WOULDN'T BE A DISCUSSION AMONGST
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THE PRESENTER AND THE, THE PUBLIC.SO IF WE'RE READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PUBLIC COMMENT, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND CALL FORWARD ANYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO, YOU CAN START ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION AND WE'RE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES.
WELL, I WON'T TAKE NEARLY THAT.
SO WHAT I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST IS ALL JURISDICTIONS ALL DEAL WITH WHAT IS OR IS NOT APPROPRIATE IN TERMS OF COMMENT OR FOLLOW UP ON ANY ITEM BROUGHT UP UNDER PUBLIC COMMENTS.
THOSE ITEMS THAT ARE WITHIN THE SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION OF THE BODY, BUT NOT ON TODAY'S AGENDA.
AND OFTEN YOU HEAR LANGUAGE THAT YOU CAN BRIEFLY RESPOND OR DOCKET IT OR REQUEST A STAFF REPORT IN THE FUTURE.
I DIDN'T QUITE HEAR YOU COVER THAT.
AND I'M GONNA GUESS BECAUSE I, I I WILL NOT BE ONE OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTERS, BUT I THINK THERE ARE SOME HERE TODAY.
SO MAYBE TERRY AND THE COACH MIGHT BE A LITTLE FLUMMOXED.
SHOULD THEY BRING SOMETHING UP? WE REALLY CAN'T DISCUSS IT, CAN YOU? SO I WAS GONNA SUGGEST THAT, APPARENTLY I CAN SUGGEST IT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA, JUST MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA TO SHARE WHAT THEY CAN AND CAN'T DO UNDER THE BROWN ACT, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WELL, IT SEEMS LOGICAL, FIRST OF ALL, THAT PUBLIC COMMENTS SHOULD COME AFTER WE ARE FINISHED WITH THE AGENDA AND THEN PEOPLE HAVE A CONCERN OR, OR WHATEVER.
AND THEN TO ADDRESS THE, THE COMMITTEE A AFTER WE ARE FINISHED WITH OUR MEETING, BUT NOT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING.
MM-HMM,
MM-HMM,
HOWEVER, I'D LOVE THE CITY ATTORNEY TO APPLY AS TO WHAT YOU MAY DO IN TERMS OF ASKING YOUR STAFF TO INVESTIGATE, TO COME BACK OR DOCKET IT ON A FUTURE AGENDA.
OR YOU MAY THINK IT'S HALF-BAKED IDEA AND JUST THANK THEM TO THEIR COMMENTS AND MOVE ON.
SO, SO THERE'S, THERE'S SOME LEEWAY THERE, BUT NOT MUCH.
AND SO I THOUGHT I, SITTING HERE, I'VE HAD, IT MIGHT NOT BE A BAD IDEA.
THIS IS A BRIEFING, AND I GUESS YOU'RE NOT GONNA COME TO ALL THESE MEETINGS, SO YOU'RE HERE TODAY.
SO I THOUGHT IT'D BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR, FOR THIS GROUP TO BE BRIEFED.
SO, UM, FOR, UH, I'LL JUST JUMP IN REALLY QUICKLY.
UM, SO WHEN WE, WHAT I SAW AT THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE, ACTUALLY ON TUESDAY, CHAIR L AUSTIN DID SOMETHING, UM, THAT I DID LIKE.
UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF Q AND A HAPPENING.
UM, AND SO THE CHAIR, AUSTIN SAID, I'LL TAKE ALL OF THE QUESTIONS OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTERS AND THOSE THAT WHICH WE WANT TO CONTINUE DISCUSSING, I'LL ASK STAFF TO BRIEF ON.
SO IT WAS, IF WE WERE ABLE TO GET ALL OF THE QUESTIONS FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, AND THEN AFTERWARD, THE CHAIR WOULD THEN DIRECT STAFF OR, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR OFFICE, WHOEVER'S PRESENT, UM, TO THEN PROVIDE COMMENT BACK TO THE CHAIR, BUT NOT NECESSARILY BACK TO THE PUBLIC.
SO WE CAN KIND OF USE THAT AS A METHOD.
UM, AND BY THAT FASHION I CAN RESPOND TO, UM, THE INQUIRY ABOUT THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN PUBLIC COMMENT, RESPONDING AND NON-RESPONDING.
SO WHEN THERE IS A MATTER, UM, THAT'S ON THE AGENDA AND THE PUBLIC ARE ASKING A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND WANT SOME ANSWERS, UM, LET'S SAY THERE'S LIKE A PRESENTATION ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, A PROJECT THAT'S OCCURRING AND WE WANNA KNOW, THE PUBLIC WANTS TO KNOW MORE TIMELINES THAT WEREN'T MENTIONED, LET'S SAY IN THE PRESENTATION.
UM, AT THAT POINT, THE CHAIR CAN THEN TAKE THE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC, THEN DIRECT IT BACK TO STAFF AND SAY, CAN YOU, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF TOUCH ON WHAT THIS PUBLIC COMMENTER WAS REQUESTING ON.
ARE THERE, IS THERE A DEADLINE? SO THERE ARE CERTAIN ITEMS IN INSTITUTIONS WHERE, IF WE CAN GATHER THE QUESTION BRIEFLY, UM, STAFF WILL CERTAINLY DO SO, BUT JUST WITH THE PUBLIC MEMBER, IT JUST CAN'T TURN INTO A DEBATE.
BECAUSE IF WE SAY YES TO A DEBATE WITH ONE PERSON, THEN WE HAVE TO SAY YES TO EVERYONE.
UM, YOU CAN USE IT, UH, CASE BY CASE BASIS OF A GENERAL RESPONSE IS COMPLETELY FINE.
BUT, UM, WE GENERALLY LIKE TO SAY NOT TO HAVE AQ AND A FORMAT.
IT'S NOT A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING, UM, OR, YOU KNOW, A A PRESS MEETING.
IT'S, UM, IT'S JUST TO HAVE SOME ORDER IN THE MEETING.
BUT IF ONE OF THEM WERE DONE UP A COMMENT OF ATTENTION, NATURE AND THE OPINION OF THE COMMISSION, THEY COULD SUGGEST THAT IT BE DOCKETED ON THE FUTURE AGENDA FOR CONSIDERATION.
AND IF THERE'S NO TIME TO TALK ABOUT IT TODAY, IF IT'S OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE CHAIR CAN ALWAYS REQUEST THE ITEMS YOU HEARD AT FOLLOWING MEETING.
SO I'M ALSO WITH THE PUBLIC AND I WAS SENT BY MY CITY COUNCIL
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MEMBER TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM.CAN YOU JUST TELL ME WHEN I SHOULD SPEAK AND SHOULD I LEAVE UNTIL IT'S TIME TO SPEAK? I DON'T WANT TO GET IN ANYONE'S WAY.
I WAS SENT HERE TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM.
WE'LL CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, UM, SET AT THE END FOR EVERY ITEM.
SO MAYBE I WOULD BE AROUND, UH, ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
SO IT'S RELATED TO BIG REC 18 IN AMERICAN GOLF.
SO THAT IS, UH, THAT'S UPDATES FROM AMERICAN GOLF.
I WOULD JUST SUGGEST YOU WAIT UNTIL THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
SO DO I NEED TO BE IN HERE THE WHOLE TIME? YOU DON'T NEED TO, WOULD IT? YOU MAY BE POSSIBLE.
IF I WAS OUTSIDE ON THE PHONE, WOULD ANYBODY BE ABLE TO LET ME KNOW TO COME IN? UM, OKAY.
IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK? I, I DON'T THINK SO.
I MEAN, I, I CAN'T PROMISE THAT SOMEBODY CAN COME GET YOU.
DO YOU WANT ME TO START? WE'LL TRY OUR BEST.
IS THAT, I'M GONNA MAKE A NOTE.
WHAT'S YOUR NAME, SIR? MY NAME'S LAUREN KAISER AND I JUST, LAUREN? YES, IT'S REGARDING NETTING AT BIG AT REC 18.
YEAH, YOU GOT, YOU NEED A OKAY.
AND THEN WE NEED A, UM, VOTE TO RECEIVE A FILE CALL FOR A VOTE TO RECEIVE AND FILE THEIR PRESENTATION.
YOU'RE STILL OH, I'M STILL HERE.
ON BEHALF OF THE COMMITTEE VERY MUCH HAVING QUESTIONS, PLEASE DIRECT THEM BACK TO STAFF AND I'LL FORWARD 'EM OVER TO YOU.
MAY I HEAR A RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE THE, UH, REPORT THAT OUR YOUNG LADY MADE? SO WE ALREADY HAVE A FIRST AND A SECOND.
OH, WELL, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS A NICE PRESENTATION.
ALRIGHT, SO HOW DO I GET OUTTA HERE? THERE WE GO.
WE HAVE A RECOMMENDATION, UH, TO RECEIVE AND FILE A REPORT ON DEPARTMENT UPDATES.
SUGGESTED CAN I HEAR A COMMENT ON DEPARTMENT UPDATES? SO MOVED.
OKAY, I'M GONNA KEEP THIS BRIEF BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE KIND OF A, A BUSY AGENDA TODAY.
SO, UM, UH, JUST TWO MAIN POINTS TODAY, I THINK.
UM, AND THERE'S TWO GOODBYES ON BEHALF OF THE DEPARTMENT, AND THE FIRST IS TO NANCY B OUR, UH, BUREAU MANAGER.
UM, SHE'LL BE LEAVING THE CITY, UM, IN A WEEK OR SO.
DO YOU WANNA SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHERE YOU'RE OFF TO? UM, SURE.
UM, SO YEAH, IT'S, IT'S A BITTERSWEET, UH, DECISION, BUT I, YOU KNOW, AFTER BEING WITH THE CITY, UM, FOR 16 YEARS IN DIFFERENT, IN MANY DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, I'VE DECIDED TO TAKE A POSITION WITH, UH, UH, IN THE NON-PROFIT SECTOR.
SO I WILL BE STARTING ON THE 13TH, NOVEMBER 10TH, WILL, UH, BE MY LAST DAY OFFICIALLY WITH THE CITY.
AND, UH, SHELENE SHELENE BEATTY, WHO IS OUR NEW PARTNERSHIP OFFICER FOR LIKE SIX MONTHS WILL BE IN AN ACTING CAPACITY.
SO SHE, SHE'S, UM, GONNA TAKE ON SOME NEW DUTIES, UM, VERY QUICK LEARNING AND, UH, UNTIL THE POSITION IS REPLACED.
SO I'M VERY HAPPY TO HAVE SHERLY SERVING IN AN ACTING CAPACITY UNTIL, UNTIL, UH, FURTHER DECISIONS ARE MADE.
UM, AND THE SECOND GOODBYE IS TO OUR COMMITTEE MEMBER MARTINA.
UM, THIS IS HER LAST MEETING, SO SHE IS RESIGNING, SO I HAVEN'T YET PUT OUT THE CALL, BUT WE'LL, WE WILL BE, YOU KNOW, REACHING OUT TO THE CLUBS, UM, TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHO ELSE WE CAN BRING ON BOARD.
SO, AND I JUST HAVE A LITTLE SOMETHING AND JUST, BUT THANK YOU FROM ALL OF US, SO FOR YOUR YEARS OF SERVICE.
WHAT THE GUY IN THE HALL WANTS TO TALK.
IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEM THREE, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND ADDRESS THE COMMITTEE.
UM, IF THERE'S ANY DISCUSSION, WE CAN MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM.
IF NOT, WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE VOTE.
NO, I, I MOVE THAT WE BOTH OKAY.
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ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? SAME.OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THE MOTION CARRIES.
ALRIGHT, WE NOW HAVE A RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE THE UPDATES ON COURSES, UH, CIPS AND THE AMBASSADOR PROGRAM FOR EL DORADO, SKY REC PARK, 18 REC, PARK NINE, AND HARTWELL FROM AMERICAN GOLF.
OH, WE NEED A MOTION AND A FIRST, I MEAN A MOTION AND A SECOND.
WHEN WERE WE SUPPOSED TO HAVE SEEN THESE FILE UPDATES? IT'S JUST OUR US SPEAKING AT THE MEETING.
THIS IS JUST THE VERBIAGE WE USE FOR THE UPDATE.
SO RECEIVING AND FILING IS WHAT YOU JUST DID WHILE I GIVE MY DEPARTMENT UPDATES.
AND SO NOW WE HAVE, UH, GARY, UH, WASN'T ABLE TO ATTEND THE MEETING TODAY, SO SUNG, WOULD YOU LIKE TO, OH, SORRY.
DO WE HAVE A, DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO FERENCE? WE DID A SECOND.
UM, SO SUNG, WOULD YOU LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND ABSOLUTELY.
I KNOW MOST OF YOU, I THINK MY NAME IS SUNG ON GENERAL MANAGER AT EL DORADO GOLF COURSE.
MY REGIONAL MANAGER, GARY, IS OUT OF TOWN DUE TO FAMILY SITUATION.
SO I AM ATTENDING ON HIS BEHALF TODAY.
SO IF I AM NOT AS GOOD OR MAKE SOME MISTAKES, PLEASE UH, ALLOW ME TO, UH, APOLOGIZE TO THE DANCE.
UM, UH, NEXT TO ME IS ERIC KEE, OUR ASSISTANT GENERAL MANAGER AT EL DORADO GOLF COURSE.
HE'S A ATTEND TODAY, UM, TO SEE WHAT A CITY, YOU KNOW, GOLF COMMITTEE MEETING LOOKS LIKE.
SO HE'S HERE WITH US TODAY, SO THANK YOU.
UM, SO WE OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE A, UM, SHEET OF PAPER IN FRONT OF YOU.
I THINK THAT IS ACTUALLY A DIFFERENT ACTION ITEM.
SO GARY AT THIS TIME JUST KIND OF GIVES A GENERAL UPDATE ON GOT IT.
ON LIKE, PROJECTS AND, AND YEAH.
AND THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING AT THE COURSES.
SO YEAH, EACH COURSE HAS AND, UM, STILL HAS ONGOING HAD AND STILL HAS ONGOING PROJECTS, UM, AT ALL TIMES.
AS YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW, IF YOU ARE GOLFERS, YOU PROBABLY SEE THEM.
WE CAN START FROM, UM, RECREATION PARK.
WE RECENTLY HAD SOME ISSUES WITH, UM, A POLE FALLING ON NUMBER FOUR, I BELIEVE, AND NETTING ALSO ON, UH, DRIVING RANGE.
I BELIEVE THOSE WERE ALL FIXED.
ALSO, UM, A LONG PROJECT OF GETTING A NEW, UM, PORTION OF A ROOF TO, UM, MAKE SURE PARTS OF THE BUILDING DOESN'T LEAK ANYMORE, HAS BEEN COMPLETED SUCCESSFULLY.
SO WE ARE WAITING FOR THE RAIN TO COME NOW AT RED PARK.
UM, HARWELL ALSO HAD SOME MAJOR DAMAGE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR DUE TO THE, THE WINDSTORMS AND RAINSTORMS WITH THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE NETTING COMPLETELY, UM, GETTING SHUT DOWN, THAT HAS ALL BEEN FIXED.
UM, SO WE ARE A FULL OPERATION NOW.
UM, BUSINESS IS BUSY AND WE ARE, UM, WELCOMING A LOT OF, UM, GOLFERS.
UM, AND WE'RE HAVING A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, HOSTING A LOT OF EVENTS.
UM, SO YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING, UM, THAT IS OUT OF ORDINARY.
UM, WE'RE JUST, UH, EXCITED THAT WE'VE HAD A, UH, GOOD SUCCESSFUL, UH, SEASON OF GOLF, UM, DURING OUR PRIME TIME, INCLUDING THE LONG BEACH GOLF FESTIVAL.
UM, ENDING IN SUCCESS, WE'D STARTED A LITTLE LATER THIS YEAR IN MAY.
ENDED, UM, ON THE FIRST WEEK OF OCTOBER.
UM, HAD THOUSANDS OF PARTICIPANTS AND WE HAD AN EXCITING LONG BEACH OPEN GOLF TOURNAMENT, UH, FIRST WEEK OF AUGUST, WHICH ALL ENDED WELL, UM, WITH SOME PUBLICITY AND YEAH, WE ARE HERE NOW.
CAN WE ASK HIM A QUESTION OR DOES THAT COME I THINK WE OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST.
IS THE TRACKMAN UH, PROFITABLE YET? UH, SO WE, UM, I ACTUALLY HAD A TALK WITH MY VICE PRESIDENT YESTERDAY ABOUT IT AS A SINGLE LINE ITEM.
IT ISN'T AS A WHOLE, OUR, UH, RANGE REVENUE HAS INCREASED 17%, UH, COMPARED TO LAST YEAR FOR THE SAME TIME PERIOD.
HOW MUCH DOES THE TRACKMAN COST US? EVERY MONTH OUT OF POCKET? IT'S, IT'S ABOUT $4,800, UH, PER MONTH.
AND WE HAVE, UM, INCREASED OUR RANGE REVENUE BY ABOUT 78,000 SO FAR THIS YEAR.
SO I'M TALKING ABOUT THE, THE RANGE REVENUE COMES FROM PEOPLE RENTING BALLS, RIGHT? I'M TALKING ABOUT THE TRACK MAN COSTS A LOT OF MONEY TO PUT IT IN.
AND IT COSTS US 5,000 A MONTH EVERY MONTH.
HOW MUCH IS IT BRINGING IN AT AVERAGE? RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT SEVEN TO $8,000 A MONTH.
HOW MUCH? SEVEN TO $8,000 REVENUE, UH, INCREASED REVENUE PER MONTH.
SO THEN YOU'VE GOT ABOUT A TWO OR
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$3,000 PROFIT EVERY MONTH SO FAR.YES, IT'S, BUT IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE AMORTIZING AND CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND ALL THAT, YOU HAVEN'T SEEN A PROFIT YET, CORRECT? WELL, SO OUR DEAL WITH TRACKMAN ISN'T A LUMP SUM FROM THE BEGINNING.
IT IS A, UM, AMORTIZED THROUGH I THINK FIVE YEARS.
UM, SO IT'S NOT, UH, WE'RE NOT YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE 4,800 A MONTH YOU'RE PAYING, CORRECT? YES.
BUT YOU'RE MAKING SIX OR $7,000 A MONTH.
YEAH, TWO TO 3000 PROFIT IS WHAT WE'RE SAVING.
SO IT'S FINALLY MAKING MONEY, WE WOULD SAY GETTING THAT MUCH USE.
IS THERE ANY EL DORADO LABOR INVOLVED WITH IT? RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT SEEING ANY SIGNIFICANT INCREASE OF LABOR, UM, DUE TO THAT.
THE RANGE CAPACITY IS RANGE CAPACITY.
WE HAVE 22 STALLS THAT CAN'T INCREASE OR DECREASE PER SE UNLESS WE LOSE A MAT.
UM, WE, WE, UH, WE HAVE TO REGISTER, UH, A PERSON TO BE ABLE TO USE THE SYSTEM THROUGH, UM, AN APP AND THAT TAKES A LITTLE TIME, BUT THAT'S THE INITIAL PROCESS.
ONCE THAT'S SET UP, IT'S A REGULAR REGISTERED TRANSACTION, WHICH ISN'T ANY SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN MANY OTHER TRANSACTIONS.
SO THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS NOT REALLY.
NO, WE'RE NOT SEEING MUCH INCREASED LABOR.
SO IF I'M NEW TO THE TRACKMAN, DO I HAVE TO HAVE THE APP INSTALLED FIRST WHEN THEY COME OVER TO SEE YOU TO, OKAY.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT, THEN WE HELP YOU THROUGH IT.
DO YOU HAVE TO MAKE AN APPOINTMENT FOR ONE OF THESE SETUPS? NO.
UM, ANYONE CAN WALK IN AT ANY TIME AS LONG AS WE'RE OPEN FOR BUSINESS AND THE RANGE IS OPEN.
UM, THERE'S NO NEED FOR PREVIOUS OR PRIOR APPOINTMENTS TO USE THAT? NO.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT TRACKMAN? ALRIGHT.
ANY PLANS TO HAVE THEM AT ANY OF THE OTHER COURSES? AS OF RIGHT NOW, NO.
UM, WE HAVE 'EM AT FOUR OF THE PILOT GOLF COURSES.
WE HAPPEN TO BE ONE OF 'EM, AND THEY'RE SEEING SOME INCREMENTAL INCREASES.
UM, IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE WE ARE SEEING INCREASE AT A GOLF COURSE THAT I INSTALL 'EM, NOT IN LONG BEACH, BUT IN THE, UH, SOME OTHER REGION.
BUT WE ARE SEEING A DECREASE ON THE OTHER PROPERTY THAT'S NEARBY IT.
SO MAYBE WE ARE ATTRACTING SOME BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, TO THE COURSE WITH INSTALLATION OF TRACKMAN SYSTEM.
UM, SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UM, DEFINITE PLANS PER SE, BUT, YOU KNOW, UM, WE ARE EXPLORING SOME OPTIONS TO SEE WHAT, WHAT COULD HAPPEN.
SO, MOVING, SO FOR THE, I I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
NON TRACK PAYMENT, ARE WE READY TO MOVE ON THE AMBASSADOR PROGRAM? SO AMBASSADORS ARE MUCH MORE THAN MARSHALLS, ARE THEY NOT? WOULD YOU SAY? UM, AS FAR AS MM-HMM.
DOES THAT KIND OF FALL UNDER THAT UMBRELLA? I WOULD SAY SO.
UM, THEY'RE THERE FOR THE EXPERIENCE OF THE GOLFERS IS WHAT WE LIKE TO, UH, SAY AND, AND TRAIN.
SO HOW ARE WE DOING ON SPEED PLAY, LET'S SAY FROM, YOU KNOW, MORNING IT MOVES REAL QUICK, MIDDAY, MAYBE A BOG DOWN STILL, OR IS IT, IS IT FLOWING GOOD? IS IT, ARE YOU ABLE TO GET MORE GOLFERS ON THE GOLF COURSE BECAUSE OF A EFFECTIVE AMBASSADOR PROGRAM OR AMBASSADOR PROGRAM? DEFINITELY HELPS WITH THE PACE OF PLAY.
MORE OF, MORE OF IT IS, UM, TO INFORM THE GUEST OR GOLFER OF A SITUATION, WHETHER THEY BE, UM, YOU KNOW, CAUSING AN ISSUE BECAUSE OF SLOW PLAY OR WHATNOT.
AND THE APPROACH THAT WE ARE TAKING IS ASKING FOR HELP, UM, FROM OUR GUESTS BASED ON THE FACTS SUCH AS, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN DID THEY TEE OFF, WHERE ARE THEY IN POSITION TO THE, THE RECOMMENDED TIME FACE OF PLAY, PER SE.
AND IF WE DECIDE THAT ALTHOUGH THEY'RE 2, 3, 4 HOLES BEHIND THE GROUP IN FRONT OF THEM, THEY ARE IN LINE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PACE OF PLAY, RECOMMENDED PACE OF PLAY, THEN WHAT WE SAY IS, HEY, YOU GUYS ARE PLAY FINE.
WE JUST NEED HELP BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE FALLING OFF THE GROUP OR GROUPS AHEAD OF YOU.
UM, AND, AND WE TALK TO THE GROUPS BEHIND THEM AS WELL.
IT JUST MAY SEEM LIKE IT'S NOT, BUT THE TWOSOME IN FRONT OF 'EM OBVIOUSLY WILL PLAY A LOT QUICKER THAN THE FOURSOME OR SUCH.
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QUESTION THERE,I, A QUESTION, DO THE THE AMBASSADORS DO ANY PARING IN THE PARKING LOTS OR ANY SAFETY ISSUES? YES, BECAUSE WE HAD A SAFETY ISSUE AT LITTLE REC ON FRIDAY.
UM, SO WE, WE ASKED OUR AMBASSADORS TO SPEND THEIR TIME, UM, THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE PROPERTY, WHICH DOES INCLUDE PARKING LOT.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY IT'S A BIG CHUNK OF PROPERTY THAT WE HAVE.
EVERY PROPERTY, UH, EVERY GOLF COURSE.
SO, UM, WE MISS CERTAIN SITUATIONS.
UM, BUT YES, WE DO ASK THEM TO, UM, YOU KNOW, PATROL THE PARKING LOT YEAH.
AND, UM, REPORT ANYTHING THAT SEEMS, YOU KNOW, OUT OF ORDINARY.
AND I WAS GONNA SHARE THIS WITH GARY, BUT MM-HMM.
'CAUSE WE WERE HAVING A MEETING AND WITHIN 45 MINUTES THERE WAS FRAUD ON HER CAR, UH, CARDS BECAUSE HER CAR HAD BEEN BROKEN INTO.
AND, UM, IT WAS DEEMED FROM HER REPAIR, SHE TOOK THE CAR TO THE DEALERSHIP AND SOMEONE HAD ONE OF THOSE DEVICES THAT YOU CAN RANK THE LOCK.
AND SHE WAS IN THE THIRD STALL RIGHT NEAR THE OFFICE.
AND SO, I MEAN, I KNOW YOU CAN'T SOLVE THAT, BUT THERE, THERE AREN'T CAMERAS ON ANY OF THE NO, NOT IN THE PARKING LOTS.
THEY JUST DON'T GO OUT ALL THE WAY.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD SITUATIONS, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT OTHER COURSES, BUT AT EL DORADO WE HAVE A LOT OF, UM, I, I CALL 'EM FRIENDS, BUT SOMETIMES THEY'RE NOT, UM, YEAH.
AT NIGHT TIMES THEY COME OVER, UM, TO EITHER USE THE OUTLET TO PLUG IN THEIR ELECTRICAL DEVICES UHHUH OR TO GET SOME WATER FROM THE WATER FOUNTAIN OR, OR, UM, RECYCLABLES THAT MAY BE LEFT, UM, IN THE, IN THE, UH, TRASH BINS OR WHATNOT.
AND, UM, WE'VE WORKED WITH THE AUTHORITIES WITH, AS YOU KNOW, IN REGARDS TO TRESPASSING AND ANY HELP THAT WE COULD GET.
AND, UM, THE ACTIONS OF THE CAMERAS WILL SHOW US WHAT'S HAPPENING, BUT IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO REALLY UTILIZE THAT FOR THEIR PURPOSE.
SO YEAH, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A BREAK IN OR ANY, UM, FORCE, UM, ENTRIES, UH, THEN WE CAN REALLY, UM, GET AN IDEA BY LOOKING AT THOSE CAMERAS AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.
BUT, UM, NOT TOO MUCH OF HELP PER SE IN THE REALITY DETERRENT.
IF WE MAKE SOME, UH, YOU KNOW, SOUNDS YEAH.
UM, FROM THOSE CAMERAS OR DEVICES OR IF WE CAN SPEAK INTO THEM AND, AND LIFT THE VOICE.
BE S DO YOU, UH, DO ALL COURSES MAKE UP A, AN INCIDENT REPORT? WE DO WHATEVER WHEN SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPENS? YES.
WE HAVE AN INTERNAL INCIDENT REPORT, UH, WITH OUR COMPANY AND, UH, WE KEEP A GOOD RECORD OF IT AS LONG AS WE ARE NOTIFIED.
UH, SOMETIMES I'VE RAN INTO SITUATIONS WHERE, UM, CUSTOMERS WILL NOT NOTIFY US, UM, AND THEY WOULD JUST CALL THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AND DEAL WITH THEM DIRECTLY.
I BELIEVE SHE CALLED, UH, ART.
THEN WE SHOULD HAVE SOME SORT OF A, UH, INTERNAL AND IF SHE DIDN'T, I'LL MAKE SURE SHE DOES.
'CAUSE IT'S GOOD TO KNOW THAT YOU'RE KEEPING SOME SORT OF RECORD.
THIS WAS SO TARGETED AND SO BLATANT AT 1230 RIGHT THERE IN THE FRONT OF THE GOLF COURSE.
AND WE KNOW IT PROBABLY WASN'T, UM, A HOMELESS OR TRANSIENT PERSON BECAUSE THE CARDS WERE USED SO QUICKLY.
SO IT WAS OBVIOUSLY SOMEBODY IN A CAR THAT TOOK OFF AND USED THE CREDIT CARDS RIGHT AWAY.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR ANSWERS TO OUR QUESTIONS HERE.
UH, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING, UH, AMERICAN GOLF AND THE FOUR COURSES? FIVE COURSES FINISHED.
AND, UH, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE DISCUSSION, SO YEAH.
UH, FIRST WE NEED TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT.
DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY? OH, I WAS JUST GONNA COMMENT ON LARRY'S PITCH PLAY QUESTION.
YOU CAN USE THIS TIME TO DO THAT.
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REGULAR GOLFER HERE, OBVIOUSLY AT ALL THREE COURSES, WHEN YOU GO OFF AT SEVEN O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, WHICH IS WHAT I DO WITH MY GROUP AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE, UH, THERE'S AN EXPECTATION, RIGHT? THAT WE'RE GONNA PLAY IN THREE HOURS AND 45 MINUTES.UM, IF SOMEONE COMES OUT THAT EARLY, UH, AND DROPS THREE OR FOUR BALLS, THAT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN.
RIGHT? WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA EITHER VERBALLY ASK THEM TO PICK THEM UP AND MOVE THE PACE TO PLAY IN THIS RARE SITUATION WHERE THEY DON'T WANT TO PICK UP THE PLAY.
WE CALL THE AMBASSADORS OR CALL THE SHOP AND AN AMBASSADOR COMES OUT AND FIXES IT.
THERE'S NEVER, NEVER AN ISSUE IN THAT.
WE EXPECT FOUR OR FIVE, SIX HOURS ROUNDS AFTER 10 O'CLOCK
SO YOU'RE OUT EARLY AND GETTING A NICE ROUND IN, OR IT'S FIVE HOURS PLUS AFTER 10 O'CLOCK, NINE O'CLOCK, THAT'S WHAT YOU GET.
IT'S GOTTEN A LOT BETTER, UM, AFTER COVID FOR THOSE WHO PLAY A LITTLE LATER.
MAYBE YOU'RE A NINE O'CLOCK TYPE OF GUY.
I PLAY ABOUT 9, 9 30, UH, FOUR DAYS A WEEK.
AND, UH, OH, WE'RE ROAMING MAJORITY OF THE TIME WE'RE DONE IN FOUR, FOUR HOURS, 15 MINUTES.
IT'S RARELY THAT ANYMORE EMBELLISHING.
WE'RE SEEING A LOT, UH, A LOT OF IMPROVEMENTS SINCE WE'VE CHANGED THE INTERVAL FORCE.
THE PACE PICKED UP WHEN YOU STOP FIVE.
WELL, LET'S VOTE ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THE MOTION IS PASSED.
WE'RE NOW GOING TO THE, UH, NEXT ITEM, ITEM FIVE RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE REPORTS FROM CURRENT SUBCOMMITTEES.
AND I BELIEVE WE ONLY HAD ONE THAT MET POLICIES AND PROCEDURES.
UH, LITTLE KIND OF BACKGROUND.
WE MET ON SEPTEMBER 11TH AND THEN AGAIN ON OCTOBER 30TH.
UH, FIRST DISCUSSION WAS ABOUT UPDATING THE MANUAL.
GARY IS GOING THROUGH IT AS WE SPEAK AND MAKING SUGGESTIONS AND WE DISCUSSED IT A LITTLE BIT.
NOTHING TO REPORT FURTHER ON THAT YET.
AND THEN THE NEXT, UH, ITEM IS THE, UH, ISSUE WE'VE HAD, I THINK BACK IN MAY OR MAYBE APRIL, MAY ABOUT SMOKING IN THE PRACTICE AREAS AND ON THE GOLF COURSE AND AROUND BUILDINGS.
UM, WE HAVE, UH, DISCUSSED IT AND TALKED ABOUT IT AND WE WERE PROVIDED SOME LANGUAGE VIA EMAIL YESTERDAY OR DAY BEFORE BY LORI ABOUT WHAT THE COUNTY AND OTHER CITIES DO AND WHAT OUR POLICY IS IN THE CITY.
AND I WOULD SAY WE'VE DISCUSSED WHERE WE'RE GOING.
I DON'T THINK WE'VE HAVE THE EXACT LANGUAGE YET.
I THINK IT'S GONNA BE, WE'RE GONNA ADOPT WHAT THE COUNTY PRETTY MUCH SAYS AROUND BUILDINGS AND OUR NEXT STEP IS RIGHT TO GET THAT, SUBMIT THAT TO, UH, THE ACTUAL COMMITTEE.
AND THAT WILL BE PROBABLY THE NEXT MEETING, I THINK IS WHERE WE'RE AT.
IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, I THINK YOU CAN DO THAT TODAY IF YOU WANT.
CAN WE DO WE A COPY OF THE LANGUAGE? IT'S THE NEXT NUMBER SIX.
IT'S THE NEXT, UM, ITEM PERFECT OF BUSINESS, BUT IS THE LANGUAGE THE, IT'S NOT PRINTED IN THE AGENDA PER SE, BUT IF YOU, WE CAN FIGURE IT OUT HERE.
CAN YOU HAPPEN TO PUT THAT UP? SURE.
I THINK WE NEED TO WRAP UP THIS.
SO THAT CONCLUDES YOUR REPORT.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S OUR REPORT.
UM, CAN WE GET A PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM IF THERE'S ANY? OKAY.
AND THEN CAN WE GET A FIRST AND A SECOND? IT DIDN'T MOVE.
OH, I HAVE ONE QUESTION IF I CAN.
UH, THAT LARGER PROJECT THAT YOU'RE WORKING ON, UM, IS THE SUBCOMMITTEE HAVE A PLAN TO MAKE REPORTS AS YOU GO THROUGH THE CURRENT POLICIES OR JUST SORT OF ONE LUMP SUM REPORT AT THE END OF PROJECT? YOU WANNA LOOK, UH, YOU, YOU, WELL IT SOUNDED LIKE YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE ENTIRE OPERATION MANUAL.
I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE BEST WAY TO DO IT.
SO PERHAPS THE, THIS GOLF ADVISORY COMMITTEE WILL HEAR SORT OF PIECE BY PIECE AS YOU GO THROUGH THE PROCESS? CORRECT.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THOSE TWO ITEMS? I THINK WE NEED A FIRST AND A SECOND.
YEAH, SORRY, I MOVE, WE ACCEPT AS STATED.
ALRIGHT, SO NOW WE'RE ON TO, WE
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JUST NEED TO VOTE.UH, WELL, OH, PEOPLE IN AGREEMENT WITH THE MOTION SAY AYE.
UH, WE'RE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE FIRST PAGE STILL.
OH, I THOUGHT WE DID THAT WHEN WE WERE TALKING.
WE NOW HAVE A RECOMMENDATION TO DISCUSS LONG BEACH MUNICIPAL CODE SECTION 8 6 8 0.066 REGARDING SMOKING AT MUNICIPAL GOLF COURSES.
DO WE HAVE THAT? WE WE DON'T HAVE IT ON THE SCREEN, DO WE? NO, BUT UM, CAN WE GET A MOTION AND A SECOND? SURE.
WAIT, WE NEED TO SEE THE, THE LAW FIRST.
THAT'S WHAT MOTION NEEDS TO DO.
WE DON'T HAVE THE, I MEAN I, I'VE SHARED IT AT PAST MEETINGS.
I DIDN'T BRING IT AGAIN TODAY AS AN ATTACHMENT.
UM, THE ACTUAL MUNICIPAL CODE, UM, I APOLOGIZE.
UH, I COULD PROBABLY PULL IT UP QUICKLY IF I GOOGLED IT, BUT IT BASICALLY SAYS THAT THERE IS NO PARKING, THERE IS NO SMOKING
THERE'S ALL DEPENDS, DEPENDS WHERE YOU ARE.
THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO SMOKING ALLOWED IN PARKS IN LONG BEACH AND IT EXEMPTS GOLF COURSES FROM THAT PROHIBITION ON SMOKING.
SO, UH, I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT AS A FULL COMMITTEE AND THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES SUBCOMMITTEE HAS BEEN SPEAKING WITH OH, THANK YOU.
WITH AMERICAN GOLF, UM, ABOUT IT.
UM, AND WITH OUR, AND I'VE SPOKEN WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY A LITTLE BIT AND I THINK, UM, WHAT THE COURSE OF ACTION THAT THE SUBCOMMITTEE WANTED TO TAKE WAS TO, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE AN ADVISORY BODY WOULD, WOULD BE TO REQUEST THAT THE PARKS AND RECREATION AND MARINE DIRECTOR, UM, REQUEST THAT CITY COUNCIL AMEND THAT MUNICIPAL CODE.
UM, AND I THINK THE DIRECTION YOU MENTIONED THE COUNTY AND LA CITY AS WELL IS TO, WOULD BE TO, UM, ALLOW SMOKING ON THE COURSES THEMSELVES BETWEEN, FOR EXAMPLE, HOLES ONE AND 18, AND THEN IN ANOTHER DESIGNATED AREA THAT'S AWAY FROM ANY CLUBHOUSES OR EATING AREAS OR DRIVING RANGES.
UM, AND SO THERE, SO THAT KIND OF ELIMINATES THE, THE ISSUE THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT WITH, UM, SMOKING IN AREAS WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE GATHERING.
SO, UM, AND THEN IF IT, WE COULD, IF WE, IF IT NEEDS FURTHER DISCUSSION, WE CAN PUSH IT TO THE NEXT MEETING OR IF WE'RE READY TO NO, TO ASK THE COMMITTEE.
HOW ABOUT THE PUTTING GREENS? YES.
WITHIN 50 FEET OF ANY BUILDING? WELL, I PLAY FOUR DAYS A WEEK.
I PLAY REC, UH, SKY LINKS AND ELBOW AND IT'S RARE THAT I SEE ANY KID UNDER NINE OR 10 YEARS OLD.
AND I DON'T THINK IT'S JUST CHILDREN, BUT IF YOU'RE, YOU CAN CERTAINLY VOTE, YOU KNOW, WHICHEVER WAY YOU WANT TO, TO VOTE ON THE RECOMMENDATION IF WE BRING ONE MM-HMM.
WELL IS THE PUTTING GREEN A PRACTICE AREA? YES.
YOU A BAND OF SMOKING THERE TOO? YOU CAN'T SAY IT'S A BAND, IT'S A RECOMMENDATION THAT WELL IT'S, IT IS BASICALLY NO SMOKING IN THESE AREAS.
THE THE QUESTION BECOMES HOW DO YOU POLICE IT AND THAT KIND OF THING.
SOMEBODY YOU'RE SMOKING A SCAR.
WHAT'S, UNLESS THERE'S A BUNCH OF PEOPLE AROUND, CHANCES ARE NOBODY'S GONNA COMPLAIN AND A MARSHAL'S NOT GONNA COME UP TO YOU AND SAY, OH, SORRY, I, IN MY OPINION THEY MIGHT NOT POLICE IT.
IT'S JUST, IT'S A WAY IT FOR PEOPLE THAT, THAT YOU'RE, I THINK I FEEL LIKE YOU'RE CAUSING A PROBLEM THAT DOESN'T EXIST AT THIS TIME.
YOU WERE HERE WHEN THAT MEETING, WHEN WHEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT WAS RIGHT.
OH, THE ONE GUY WHOSE KID WAS ON THE DRIVING RANGE.
YOU REMEMBER THAT, RIGHT? I REMEMBER.
WE ALSO HAD THE, UH, JUNIOR GOLF, UM, THIS YEAH.
JUNIOR GOLF STAFF, UM, COME TO THE POLICIES AND PRESTIGES SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING AND SPEAK ABOUT IT.
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? I'M TALKING ABOUT THE HIGH SCHOOL KIDS ARE YOU CAN BE THE YEAH.
WHAT'S THE NAME OF THE ORGANIZATION AND THAT LISA RUNS LONG BEACH JUNIOR GOLF.
WHERE, WHERE IS THAT? SEVEN TO SEVEN
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HARWELL.IF YOU WANT BAD SMOKING ON THOSE AREAS IN HARTWELL MM-HMM.
BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE KIDS RUNNING AROUND, BUT IT'S, I UNDERSTAND.
BUT I VERY MUCH AGAINST IT CHANGING WHAT THE LAW ALL IN CALIFORNIA ALREADY IS.
SO, SON, I'M GOING TO, SINCE WE'RE DISCUSSING MM-HMM.
SO IT, UM, THERE'S A LITTLE HISTORY TO IT, WHICH, UM, I, UM, WAS, I BECAME AWARE OF, UH, BACK IN 2010, I BELIEVE, WHERE ALL PARKS IN LONG BEACH ARE, UM, YOU CAN'T SMOKE IN THEM.
THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S THE THE RULE.
AND, UM, I BELIEVE GARY AND OUR POSITION IS THAT WE, UM, SHOULD PROBABLY ADOPT THAT TO A CERTAIN DEGREE, WHICH WOULD MAKE SENSE BACK IN 2010 COMING UP FROM THE RECESSION.
UM, THE, IT WASN'T THE SALES OF CIGARETTES OR, OR TOBACCO PRODUCTS THAT KEPT OUR BUSINESS GOING, BUT IT WAS THE, UM, IF WE HAD BANDED THAT THE PEOPLE, UM, CHOOSING TO COME TO OUR GOLF COURSES WOULD, WOULD DECREASE POTENTIALLY.
SO IT WAS ONE OF THOSE FACTORS THAT, UM, WE ALL GATHERED AND, UM, DECIDED THAT IT WASN'T A GOOD THING TO DO AT THAT TIME.
UM, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BAN SMOKING FROM THE WHOLE PROPERTY, BUT SOME AREAS THAT ONE CAN AFFECT ANOTHER'S ENJOYMENT OF THEIR, WHETHER IT BE EATING OR PRACTICING OR, OR JUST ENJOYING, UM, AN AREA THAT IS, UM, THAT HAS MORE PEOPLE THAN YOU KNOW, THE REST OF THE GOLF COURSE.
WE HAVE ABOUT 120 ACRES OF GREENERY AND, YOU KNOW, EACH HOLE HAS A FEW ACRES.
AND IF A GOLFER CAN WAIT UNTIL THEY TEE OFF AND ENJOY THEMSELVES UNTIL THEY FINISH ON 18, UM, I BELIEVE THAT'S THE POSITION THAT WE'RE HOPING, UM, YOU KNOW, TO SEE THE OUTCOME OF, UM, AS, AS A, UM, OPERATOR.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YOU HAVE THE, THE SEATING AREA, RIGHT? BY THE, UH, RESTAURANT? YES.
HOW MANY COMPLAINTS DO YOU GET A DAY OF PEOPLE SMOKING THERE? I WOULD SAY IT'S SO FEW.
YOU CAN'T REALLY REMEMBER IT WELL, I, I WOULD SAY IT'S MORE OF THE ACTIONS OF SOMEONE WHO'S THERE RATHER THAN OFFICIAL COMPLAINT COMING TO THE OFFICE.
SO PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WALKING BY, 'CAUSE I, I OBSERVE, I SEE WHEN SOMEONE IS SMOKING, UM, AT ANY AREA PEOPLE WOULD, YOU KNOW, EITHER MAKE GESTURES OR LOOK AT THEM OR, OR APPEAR TO BE UNCOMFORTABLE TO BE AROUND.
UM, WHEN THERE'S A MASS OF PEOPLE, UM, WE PROBABLY GET COMPLAINTS.
WHAT DO YOU THINK? ONCE OR TWICE A DAY.
UM, HAVE YOU EVER TOLD 'EM TO WALK AROUND THE PERSON SMOKING? DON'T GET SOMETHING CLOSE TO 'EM? WELL, SOME, SOME PEOPLE, UM, BECAUSE WE HAVE SOMETIMES A VERY BUSY RANGE, ESPECIALLY IN THE AFTERNOONS, SOME PEOPLE EVEN EVEN WAITING IN MIND ARE, YOU KNOW, TAKING OUT A CIGARETTE IS START STARTING TO SMOKE.
AND WE HAVE THESE HIGH SCHOOL, YOU KNOW, STUDENTS WHO ARE PRACTICING ON THEIR TEAMS. SO WE'VE HAD A SITUATION WHERE A MOTHER, UM, JUST WASN'T GONNA HAVE IT AND CAME IN AND WE SAID, LOOK, IF YOU'RE GONNA SMOKE OVER THERE, DON'T BE SMOKING RIGHT NEXT TO THESE, YOU KNOW, UM, JUNIORS.
SO, UM, IT'S, IT IS DEFINITELY AN ISSUE.
IT'S NOT A, YOU KNOW, PRESSING ISSUE THAT WE DEAL WITH EVERY DAY PER SE.
BUT WE DO GET QUITE A FEW COMPLAINTS.
MAY I, MAY I RECOMMEND THAT WE CEASE THIS DISCUSSION AND JUST SIMPLY LEAVE IT THAT WE RECOMMEND THAT OUR GOLF COURSES FOLLOW LONG BEACH CITY, UH, RULES AND REGULATIONS.
WELL, WE HAVE TO, NO, NO, IT CAN'T GO THAT WAY.
'CAUSE OF THE WAY THAT'S WRITTEN, KEVIN, IF I, SO THE SUBCOMMITTEE LOOKED INTO THIS ISSUE, RIGHT? AND AND YOU, WE HAVE SURVEYED SOME OTHER, UH, SYSTEMS IN THE REGION, CORRECT? IT SOUNDS TO ME.
AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE SUBCOMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION IS EXACTLY CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER MUNICIPAL SYSTEMS IN THE REGION.
AND WHAT IS THAT? THAT IN THE, MY, MY UNDERSTANDING BEING THAT IN THE, UH, CONGESTED AREAS, WHICH WOULD BE PRACTICE AREAS IN AND AROUND THE CLUBHOUSE THAT
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SMOKING IS BANNED, BUT THEN OUT ON THE GOLF COURSE THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO TO SMOKE, WHICH IS STILL AN EXCEPTION FROM THE GENERAL CODE PERTAINING TO PARKS HAVE A RECOMMENDATION.PLUS WE ALSO DESIGN, THEY'RE GONNA DESIGNATE AREAS TO SMOKE AT EACH GOLF COURSE.
THERE'LL BE AN AREA THAT YOU CAN GO SMOKE LIKE WHEN YOU FINISH YOUR ROUND OR BEFORE YOUR ROUND OR YOU'RE TAKING A BREAK FROM PRACTICING INVOLVING, INVOLVING SIGNAGE.
MAYBE EVEN, UM, MY RIGHT LARRY? YEAH, SURE.
EVEN MAYBE PAINTED ON THE GROUND.
YOU KNOW THAT THIS AREA OVER HERE IS THE SMOKING AREA AND GARY AND AMERICAN GOLF WILL DETERMINE WHAT, WHERE THAT IS AT EACH GOLF COURSE AND THEN THE REST OF THE SMOKING HAPPENS ONCE YOU TEE OFF AND UNTIL YOU COME BACK IN.
AND THAT FOLLOWS THE LOS ANGELES COUNTY IS WHAT WE LOOKED AT AS A, ONE OF THE THINGS WE LOOKED AT AS FOLLOWING THEIR, THEIR LEAD.
AND ACTUALLY CITY OF SAN DIEGO WHO WAS PUBLIC.
SO YOU'RE RECOMMENDING NO SMOKING ON THE DRIVING RANGE IN THE
WELL THEN ON NUMBER SIX, ITEM SIX THAT WE'RE, I THINK WE WE'RE GONNA NEED TO VOTE ON IT.
I THINK WE, SOMEBODY NEEDS TO MAKE A MOTION, RIGHT? I WILL MOVE THAT THE COMMITTEE, UH, ADOPT THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
SECOND, HOW COME WE HAVEN'T SEEN THIS RECOMMENDATION IN WRITING? THERE WERE SOME ISSUES WHEN WE WERE MAKING THE AGENDA AND, AND HOW TO LIKE APPROACH THAT SO WE THOUGHT WE COULD BRING IT ON THE FLOOR.
I THINK THE RECOMMENDATION, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT LIKE I SAID, I THINK THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO RECOMMEND TO THE DIRECTOR AT PARKS, RECREATION AND MARINE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL AMEND THE LONG BEACH MUNICIPAL CODE.
THIS SPECIFIC SECTION OF LONG BEACH MUNICIPAL CODE.
I THINK WE CAN SEE WHAT IT'S GONNA SAY IN WRITING BEFORE WE VOTE ON ANYTHING.
NOT JUST WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING.
WELL, WE'RE, WE'LL WRITE IT DOWN RIGHT NOW IN, IN, IN THE MINUTES.
SO WE'RE GONNA SEE IT NEXT QUARTER WHEN WE ARRIVE.
YOU HAVEN'T, YOU DON'T HAVE IT WRITTEN UP YET.
THIS IS, I HAVE IT RIGHT HERE.
DO YOU WANNA READ IT? WHAT YOU SENT US? WHAT THIS ONE IS? THIS? YES.
IT'D BE RECOMMENDED TO THE DIRECTOR.
RECOMMEND THE DIRECTOR OF PARKS RECREATION, MARINE REQUEST.
CITY COUNCIL AMEND LONG BEACH MUNICIPAL CODE SECTION 8.6 8.066 TO ALLOW SMOKING AT MUNICIPAL GOLF COURSES ONLY IN DESIGNATED AREAS OR AREAS DE DESIGNATED BY THE DIRECTOR OF PARKS, RECREATION AND MARINE.
AND SO THE PROCESS WOULD BE THAT THEN THE DIRECTOR WOULD BRING IT TO CITY COUNCIL AND THEN FROM THERE CITY COUNCIL MAY OR MAY NOT DIRECT THE CITY ATTORNEY TO, UM, AMEND TO THE MUNICIPAL CODE THAT DOESN'T STATE WHAT AREAS.
IT JUST SAYS THEY GET THE DESIGNATE.
IT, IT WON'T, THAT WON'T BE SPECIFIED IN THE MUNICIPAL CODE.
THAT'LL BE SOMETHING THAT'LL BE WORKED OUT, UM, WITH THE AMERICAN OPERATIONALLY OR, OR AS SPECIFIED BY THE DIRECTOR.
THAT'D BE A DECISION THAT'S MADE AFTER THE MUNICIPAL CODE IS CHANGED OR AS PART OF THE PROCESS.
WELL, IT SOUNDS REASONABLE WHAT YOU READ.
AND I BELIEVE WE SHOULD VOTE ON THAT, WHAT YOU READ NOW.
SO, SO YOU THINK WE CALLED? YES.
IT DOESN'T SOUND IT'S NOT SPECIFIC ENOUGH.
UH, BEFORE WE MOVE ON, WE JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY.
THE FIRST WAS FITZGERALD AND WHO SECONDED.
AND THEN, UM, BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE VOTE, UH, CAN WE CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT COMMENT TO THE COMMITTEE? JUST A QUESTION THAT I ATTENDED THAT MEETING A WHILE AGO WHEN THAT GENTLEMAN CAME IN HERE ABOUT THE SMOKING.
'CAUSE HE REALLY DID HIS RESEARCH.
AND MY TAKEAWAY WAS THAT THERE WAS, IT WAS UNENFORCEABLE, RIGHT? WAS THAT NOT THE CASE? SO THIS IS GONNA, SO YOU PUT ALL THE SIGNAGE UP AND IT'S A SUGGESTION.
IT'S, IT'S NOT NO ONE, THERE'S NO WAY YOU'RE GONNA CALL 9 1 1 AND HAVE SOMEONE COME TAKE A SMOKER OFF THE COURSE.
SO THIS IS ALL SUGGESTED IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? MM-HMM.
THERE'S NOTHING ENFORCEABLE HERE.
YOU'RE GONNA MAKE CHANGES AND PUT SIGNS UP AND ALL THAT AND MAKE CHANGES STATE.
WELL, IT'S NOT FOR US TO ENFORCE IT.
I, I I DO BELIEVE THAT IF IT WAS A CHRONIC PROBLEM, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR PARK RANGERS, IF THEY STILL EXIST SOMEHOW
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COULD ISSUE A CITATION.IT'D BE SIMILAR TO A VIOLATION OF A, UH, DOG LICENSE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
OR, OR, SO IT IS CHANGING YOU'LL ILLEGAL LEGAL ACTIVITY.
IT TAKES, IT IS CHANGING THE MUNICIPAL CODE OR WHATEVER YOUR JARGON IS TO ALLOW, ALLOW THAT IT WOULD BE A PROHIBITED ACT.
IF THERE'S NO FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT, WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE VOTE.
ALL IN FAVOR OF ITEM SIX AS DISCUSSED AND RECOMMENDED.
ALRIGHT, WE WE'RE NOW ON ITEM SEVEN RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE THE 2024 CAPITAL PROJECTS LIST.
CAN YOU GET A FIRST AND A SECOND? YEAH.
WHO WAS MY FIRST? KEVIN? KEVIN.
UM, I THINK I'LL LET, UH, SUNG TAKE THE LEAD ON THIS.
UM, I CAN INTRODUCE IT JUST A LITTLE BIT.
UM, UH, YOU HAVE THE LIST IN FRONT OF YOU.
I APOLOGIZE I DIDN'T TOTAL IT UP.
IT, THE TOTAL IS 1.795 MILLION.
UM, THIS IS JUST A RUNNING LIST.
UH, AS YOU MAY RECALL, WE REALLY, UM, KIND OF WHITTLED IT DOWN LAST YEAR.
SO, UH, THERE'S ONLY ONE ADDITION THAT HAS BEEN MADE.
UM, AND THAT'S TO ADD THE, UM, EL DORADO, UH, ROOF, WHICH ISN'T AN IMMEDIATE NEED, BUT IT'S COMING.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S A COUPLE DELETIONS.
OTHER THAN THAT, IT PRETTY MUCH REMAINS UNCHANGED.
DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON IT? SO, UM, NO.
WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS WE WANT TO DO AND, UH, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY, BUT WE ARE CHIPPING AWAY AS BEST AS WE CAN WITH THE PRIORITIES, UM, THAT NEED TO GET DONE BASED ON SAFETY AND REVENUE AND, UM, SO FORTH.
AND WHAT ARE SOME OF THE HIGHEST PRIORITY ON THE LIST? WELL, IT'S HARD TO PICK, UM, AS A CLUB OPERATOR, BUT, UM, I WOULD SAY THINGS THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, SEE THAT COULD BE A, A CONCERN TO THE SAFETY OF, OF OUR, UH, YOU KNOW, GUESTS AND, AND STAFF ALIKE WOULD BE SOME OF THE ONES.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WERE HAVING SOME, UH, WE STILL ARE HAVING SOME ISSUES WITH, UM, OUR FRIENDS AT NIGHT TIMES.
UM, WE COME IN AND, UH, IT SEEMS LIKE WE ARE SPENDING MONEY TO FIX SOMETHING VERY TEMPORARILY UNTIL IT COMES BACK IN AGAIN.
UM, WE'VE, UH, MADE SOME INTERNAL CHANGES TO BETTER MONITOR THAT AT OUR, ESPECIALLY AT EL DORADO, OUR MAINTENANCE YARD, WHICH IS KIND OF FAR AWAY FROM, IT'S SECLUDED FROM, UM, MM-HMM.
UM, WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST, AFTER WE INSTALLED THIS, UM, CAMERA SYSTEM, WE'VE, WE'VE SAVED OURSELVES SOME MONEY, UH, BY, YOU KNOW, TALKING TO THEM AND SCARING THEM OFF THE PROPERTY WITH JUST SIMPLE SIREN AND, AND CAMERAS.
UM, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE, UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS WE CAN DO.
UM, WE WANT THE EXPERIENCE OF OUR CUSTOMERS TO BE A GOOD ONE, UM, AS A MUNICIPAL GOLF COURSE.
AND WE ARE TRYING OUR BEST TO KEEP OUR COURSE IN GOOD SHAPE.
AND SOMETIMES WE HAVE SITUATIONS FOR THOSE WHO ARE AWARE.
WE'VE HAD A LITTLE VANDALISM ON NUMBER SEVEN ON, UH, ON EL DODO GREEN, BUT IT'S ALL REPAIRED AND IT'S ALL PLAYABLE NOW.
UM, SO YEAH, I WOULD SAY WE JUST NEED TO MAKE MORE MONEY SO WE CAN FIX UP MORE STUFF.
SO THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN, UH, SOMETHING ON THE PROJECT LIST, UH, SINCE 2018.
AND THAT WAS THE DRIVING RANGE LIGHTS AT EL DORADO THAT WERE APPROVED.
UM, YEAH, IT SHOULD BE ON HERE.
UM, AND I'M NOT SURE WHY IT'S NOT OUT HERE.
I THINK WE TOOK THOSE OFF LAST YEAR.
NO, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER WHY.
ARE YOU REQUESTING THAT THOSE BE ADDED? WELL, I, I AM, UH, ASKING THE STATUS OF IT.
SO, OR, OR YOU'VE CHANGED THE BUDGET TO ELIMINATE THAT.
UM, WE, BECAUSE IT HAD BEEN APPROVED FOR, YOU KNOW, ABOUT FIVE YEARS.
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UM, I BELIEVE, I'M NOT SURE WHY IT'S OFF OF HERE.WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF, UM, DESIGNING AND GETTING BIDS RIGHT NOW FOR THOSE, UM, LIGHTS, REALLY.
I CAN'T ANSWER TO THAT, BUT WE WILL FOLLOW UP ON THE NEXT MEETING.
UM, ONE ACTUALLY TWO QUESTIONS IF I, IF I MIGHT.
UM, THE FIRST IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, YOU HAVE, WE HAVE A LOT OF, UH, ITEMS HERE WHERE THE YEARS ADDED, GO BACK SEVERAL YEARS.
SO I THINK THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE PRIORITY LIST.
SO THAT WOULD BE, UM, THAT'S ONE QUESTION THAT I HAVE.
THIS IS IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER OR IS IT? IS IT, I I BELIEVE THESE ARE IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER PER PROPERTY.
AND THEN, UH, BUT SO THE, THE FIRST ITEM AT EL DORADO ISN'T NECESSARILY THE, THE TOP, THE HIGHEST PRIORITY.
IT'S, IT'S SIMPLY CHRONOLOGICAL BY YEAR ADDED.
IT'S JUST THE OLDEST AND THEN THE, UH, IT'S THE OLDEST ALPHABETICAL.
THE, THE SECOND QUESTION I HAVE IS THAT, UH, FOR, FOR EL DORADO, THE FAIRWAY BUNKERS AND SOME GREED SIDE BUNKERS, INCLUDING PRACTICE BUNKER, THAT, THAT'S A BIG FORECAST.
UM, IS THAT, ARE, IS THE PLAN THERE FOR A FULL RENOVATION OR, UH, THAT JUST SEEMS LIKE A PRETTY LARGE NUMBER.
ARE THOSE FULL BUNKER RENOVATIONS OR JUST GENERALLY, YOU KNOW, NEW SAND AND GENERAL? IT IS NOT A FULL RENOVATION.
IT COSTS A LOT MORE TO FULLY RENOVATE A BUNKER FROM GROUND UP.
UM, ABOUT TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO, WE RENOVATED ABOUT 13 OF OUR CURRENT EXISTING BUNKERS THAT GOT THE MOST USAGE.
AND WHAT WE DID ON THEM WAS WE, UM, FIXED THE IRRIGATION, UM, SITUATION UNDERNEATH THE SAND, RELINE THEM AND PUT NEW SAND, FRESH SAND IN.
AND TO DO THAT, IT COST US APPROXIMATELY $90,000 AT 13 DIFFERENT BUNKERS.
UM, THAT COVERS FOR LESS THAN HALF OF ALL THE PLAYABLE BUNKERS THAT WE STILL HAVE AT EL DORADO.
UM, AND THIS WAS, THIS IS GOING TO BE THE SECOND PHASE OF THE BUNKER PROJECT IN ORDER TO KEEP, UM, ALL THE BUNKERS IN SIMILAR PLAYABLE CONDITIONS.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW SOME OF THEM THAT WERE RENOVATED ARE STILL IN GOOD SHAPE, SOME THAT WEREN'T, ARE A LITTLE TOUGHER TO PLAY OUT OF.
SO, UM, THIS IS KIND OF A FOLLOW UP, UM, PROJECT FOR THAT.
UH, I THINK IT WAS OUR LAST MEETING, GARY HAD MENTIONED THAT THEY WERE, YOU WERE BRINGING IN NEW SAND.
IS THAT, THAT'S A, THAT'S A ONGOING OH, OKAY.
UH, MAINTENANCE PROJECT THAT'S, UH, ASIDE FROM CIP PROJECT, IT'S JUST A GENERAL MAINTENANCE PRACTICE THAT WE DO.
DO YOU HAVE PRACTICE, PRACTICE BUNKER? ARE WE TALKING WOOD NEXT TO THE PARKING LOT THERE? CORRECT.
THAT'S ALL WEEDED, ALL THAT THING.
THAT MEANS SOME MAJOR WORK DONE.
SO WHY WOULD THAT BE A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT WHERE THAT WAS A MAINTENANCE ITEM? THAT IS JUST KIND OF PUT ASIDE.
WE, WE HAVE SOME ISSUES UNDERNEATH, UM, AT THE VERY BOTTOM, STARTING WITH THE IRRIGATION, NOT IRRIGATION, UH, DRAINAGE I SHOULD SAY.
AND, UH, UH, LIGHTING WHERE THE MORE SAND WE PUT IT, INSTEAD OF HOLDING ITS CHARACTER, IT KIND OF SINKS THROUGH, SO.
ON THAT ONE, ONE OF THE THINGS SUNG ON THOSE BUNKERS, PART OF THAT LARGE AMOUNT WOULD BE TAKING THE LIPS RIGHT.
AND PUTTING THEM DOWN, WHICH, AND I AGREE WITH YOU, MAINTENANCE VERSUS CAPITAL RIGHT.
A LOT OF THAT WOULD BE TAKING THE LIPS OF THE BUNKERS WHERE SAND HAS BUILT UP OVER THE YEARS.
WITH NUMBER THREE IN EL DORADO AND DOING THAT.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS 'CAUSE YOU DO HAVE TO COME IN WITH A HEAVY EQUIPMENT TO DO THAT.
BUNKERS, UH, IN LARGEST TIME GOES BY, WHEREAS GREEN SHRINK AND SOME OF THESE BUNKERS HAVE GOTTEN TO A POINT WHERE WE HAVE TO RESURFACE 'EM AND WE SAW THEM AT CLIPS TOP SOAP.
JUST TAKE BUNKER, A FEW OF THEM.
YESTERDAYS, WOULD A, WOULD A BUNKER AT HARWELL JUST AUTOMATICALLY COST LESS THAN TO RENOVATE A BUNKER AT EL DORADO? UM, NO.
UM, IT, IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE SIZE AND THE CURRENT CONDITION OF, OF THE DRAINAGE AND, AND THE MINING AND, MM-HMM.
DO, DO WE HAVE A PROJECTION ON ABOUT HOW MUCH IN TOTAL WILL BE REINVESTED TO CHECK ITEMS OFF THIS LIST IN 2024?
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YOU MEAN HOW MUCH MONEY WILL GO IN TO THE FUND? MM-HMM.SO IT DEPENDS ON HOW GOOD OF A BUSINESS, UH, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE FROM GREEN THINGSS CURRENTLY GARY THINKS WE HAVE ABOUT $300,000 IN, IN THAT FUND LEFT, NOT GOT IT COVERED VERY WELL.
WELL, AS OF RIGHT NOW FOR THIS YEAR, I CAN CHIME IN AND I APOLOGIZE THAT I DON'T, I WAS LOOKING AT THAT TODAY SO THAT I COULD, AND THEN I GUESS I DIDN'T WRITE THAT FIGURE DOWN.
UM, WE'RE, I SHOULD, I CAN'T RECALL HOW MUCH HAS BEEN GOING IN ANNUALLY, UM, MONTHS, LIKE JULY AND AUGUST, IT'S MORE THAN A HUNDRED THOUSAND GOING IN.
UM, THE SMALLEST MONTH, YOU KNOW, I WANNA SAY FEBRUARY OR JANUARY WAS BETWEEN 70 AND 90,000 IS THE, IS THE SMALLEST MONTH.
UM, I CAN GET YOU THE EXACT NUMBERS.
I APOLOGIZE THAT I CAN'T THINK OF IT RIGHT NOW.
UM, WE HAVE, WE SHOULD HAVE ABOUT 2.8 MILLION AVAILABLE, BUT WE HAVE ABOUT, WE HAVE A LITTLE MORE THAN A MILLION THAT'S STILL TO BE REIMBURSED FROM PROJECTS.
WE ARE CATCHING UP ON REIMBURSEMENTS BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE AMERICAN GOLF RESTRUCTURING.
AND WE'RE, SO WE'RE CATCHING UP ON SOME OF THAT.
UM, AND WE HAVE SOME PROJECTS THAT RECENTLY FINISHED, LIKE ROOF PROJECT THAT RICK PARK, THAT'S A BIG TICKET ITEM.
SO THERE STILL ARE A FEW THAT ARE IN NEED TO BE REIMBURSED AND FINALIZED.
THERE, THERE ARE A FEW EMERGENCY PROJECTS AS WELL.
SO DO FOR, UH, WHAT'S THE LIMIT? THE, THE RANGE WHERE YOU NEED TO GO OUT TO BID ON THESE PROJECTS? YOU HAVE TO BID ALL OF THEM.
ALL OF THEM HAVE TO GO OUT TO NO MATTER WHAT THE AMOUNT IS.
FOR THEM TO BE ELIGIBLE, THEY HAVE ALL, I MEAN, $350,000.
IF IT'S AN EMERGENCY, WE HAVE A, IT'S A ESTIMATED AMOUNT.
UM, WE BUILT A WHOLE NEW CLUBHOUSE,
THE PROBLEM WE HAVE WAGE YEAH.
YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS I'D ASK GARY, IS IF HE COULD NUMBER THESE ITEMS, YOU KNOW, SO THAT I COULD ASK YOU ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 12 OR WHATEVER.
HOWEVER, ABOUT, UH, TWO THIRDS OF THE WAY DOWN, UH, REC PARK 18 ONCOURSE RESTROOM REMODEL.
IF WE'RE GONNA DO IT, WE'RE GONNA DO ALL OF IT AT THE SAME TIME.
AND JUST FOR MY EDIFICATION, WHAT IS, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, PRACTICE AREA, CONCRETE DRIVING RANGE, CONCRETE, WHAT DOES THAT REFER TO? UH, FOR REC PARK? WELL, FOR ANYTHING, IT, IT APPEARS IN, IN A NUMBER OF, UH, COURSES.
SOME, SOME OF THE, UM, PRACTICE AREAS, UH, WHERE THROUGH TIME THE CONCRETE IS EITHER EITHER BROKEN OR UNEVEN, UHHUH
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THAT IS.
ARE THERE, UH, ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, UH, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS? I FEEL LIKE THIS IS A GOOD PLACE TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
SO, UM, UH, THANK YOU EVERYONE.
WE, I'M A BUSINESS OWNER ON ANAHEIM HOLE NUMBER FOUR AT BIG WRECK.
I'VE HAD THREE BROKEN WINDOWS.
I'VE SEEN CARS SLAM ON BRAKES.
WHAT'S YOUR BUSINESS? WHICH BUSINESS IS IT? SO I CAN GET AT? I, I OWN THE BUILDING OF, UH, PARK AND ANAHEIM STREET.
SO IS IT WHERE SNL GLASS WAS? IS IT, I'M TRYING
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TO PICTURE WHAT BUILDING, DO YOU KNOW THE, DO YOU KNOW THE BIG TALL GLASS ONE? THAT'S CLARK? YES.AND THEN IF YOU KEEP GOING TOWARDS EXAMINE HEAD WEST, IT'S ONE BLOCK.
SO WE'RE AT THE END OF THE TEE BOX OF FOUR PEOPLE.
WHO'S YOUR TENANT NOW THAT THAT'LL HELP YOU VISUAL ME.
IS KAISER LAW GROUP IS ON THERE.
THAT HELPS ME SEE WHAT BUILDING IS.
SO I'M BORN AND RAISED IN LONG BEACH AND I WAS JUST KIND OF AMAZED THAT WE STARTED CONTACTING, WE CONTACTED BIG REC AND WE GOT THE GM.
HE SEEMED TO WANT TO BE HELPFUL AND THEN EVENTUALLY CAME BACK, SON FROM YOUR COMPANY.
AND THEY WERE JUST LIKE, GO AWAY.
LIKE, YOU LIVE NEAR A GOLF COURSE.
SO WE'RE LIKE, WHAT IS GOING ON? CARS? IT WAS DANGEROUS AND, AND ALL THIS.
SO WE, WE CONTACTED OUR CITY COUNCIL MEMBER, CHRISTINA DUGAN, AND SHE'S THE ONE THAT ASKED ME TO COME HERE AND SPEAK ON THIS.
AND I'M SEEING CAPITAL EXPENDITURES AND I'M NOT SEEING NETS AT BIG WRECK.
ARE YOU AWARE OF THIS ITEM? HAS IT BEEN BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION? SO, UM, TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, NO, I, I, UM, AND FILLING IN FOR MY REGIONAL MANAGER.
AND, AND WE SPOKE TO HIM, GARY, AND HE CAME BACK AND JUST, I DON'T NEED TO SPEAK NEGATIVELY, BUT I WAS REALLY SHOCKED.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M TAKING THE TIME TO BE HERE TODAY.
UH, CHRISTINA SAID SHE WAS GONNA GET A REPORT BACK FROM THE COMMITTEE ABOUT THIS ITEM, AND JUST AS A RESIDENT, AMAZED THAT LIVE IN BELMONT SHORE, AND I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT AMERICAN GOLF TREATED US THIS WAY AND JUST SAID, WE CHOSE TO BUY A, A BUILDING NEAR A GOLF COURSE.
AND PLEASE, I HAVE A LETTER THAT SAYS, PLEASE DON'T CONTACT US AGAIN.
AND CHRISTINA WAS REALLY SHOCKED BY IT.
I'VE SPENT MY TIME HERE AND TRY TO BE PATIENT AND I WOULD LOVE YOUR ADVICE ON WHAT I SHOULD DO.
PLEASE, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION, PLEASE? IS THERE A NET THERE? AND THE BALLS ARE STILL GOING THROUGH THE NET OR OVER THE NET? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? WE'VE BEEN HERE FOR YEARS.
EXCUSE ME, WE A POINT OF ORDER.
YOU'RE SAYING IT'S GOING THROUGH.
WELL, THEY DID SOME REPAIRS RECENTLY AT THE TEE BOX, WHICH SEEMS TO HAVE REALLY HELPED.
I'VE, TO ME, WE JUST HAVE A POINT OF ORDER HERE.
WE HAVE TO, SO, UM, FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY DISCUSSION.
IF YOU'D LIKE, YOU CAN POISE YOUR COMMENT AND THEN THE COMMISSION THEMSELVES CAN POISE THE QUESTIONS TO STAFF, UM, REGARDING YOUR, UM, COMMENT.
UM, SO WE WON'T HAVE DIALOGUE AMONGST THE COMMISSION, THE COMMITTEE AND THE PUBLIC.
SO IF YOU'D LIKE, YOU CAN CONCLUDE YOUR COMMENT AND THEN THE COMMISSION CAN DISCUSS AMONGST, AND THERE'S A VOTE ON THE FLOOR.
AND THEN WE WOULD STILL NEED TO TAKE A VOTE AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT.
SO, UM, IF YOU, IF YOU CONCLUDE MY COMMENT, I WOULD JUST, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NET ALONG, SHE, SHE DOESN'T IT'S EMOTIONAL.
SO IT'S NOT, THE TEE BOX TWO BOX HAS BEEN FIXED.
I MEAN, TO INCLUDE MY, I LIVE RIGHT NEAR PART.
I LIVE LIVE HALF A BLOCK FROM WHERE HE IS TALKING ABOUT.
SO I'M JUST, I'M TO THE COMMITTEE, I'M ASKING WHAT SHOULD I DO IS TO CONCLUDE MY COMMENT.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? NO.
CRAIG KESSLER, THE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA GOLF ASSOCIATION.
SO I'M GONNA MAKE ANOTHER FRIENDLY SUGGESTION TO THE CHAIR WHILE YOU CAN'T GOING BACK AND FORTH, CERTAINLY THE ISSUE HAS BEEN BROUGHT FORTH.
THIS GROUP COULD REQUEST THAT THAT BE PUT INTO THE WHATEVER THE PROCESSES ARE OR THE THINKING, UH, IN TERMS OF DETERMINING PRIORITY FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS.
AFTER ALL, THIS IS NEWS TO YOU.
AND, BUT YOU COULD DO THAT, ADD TO THE AGENDA, WELL ADD IT TO THE PROCESS OF INVESTIGATING THE PRIORITIES.
AND ULTIMATELY IT MAY VERY WELL COME BACK, BUT THAT ACKNOWLEDGES THAT YOU TOOK THIS SERIOUSLY, THAT THERE'S SOMETHING SERIOUS.
BUT THAT'S THE INVESTIGATION AND, AND DISCUSSION AMONG, AMONG THE COMMITTEE ITSELF.
YOU PROBABLY, THIS IS JUST MY FRIENDLY OPINION.
YOU PROBABLY NEED A LOT MORE INFORMATION TO BREAK IN INTELLIGENTLY DISCUSS IT, BE MY GUESS.
IF I WERE YOU, I WOULD BE THANK YOU, CRAIG.
ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? YEAH.
THE, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND TAKES IN ABOUT 1.4, 1.5 MILLION A YEAR AND HAS TO PAY THE BOND OUT OF THAT, WHICH I THINK IS ABOUT 600,000 MM-HMM.
SO THERE'S ABOUT 800 TO 900,000 A YEAR THAT CAN GO INTO PROJECTS TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
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MY ONLY COMMENT WOULD JUST BE, AS ALWAYS, I ENCOURAGE STAFF TO, AS MR. CONKLING SAID, MAKE SURE THAT WHAT IS BEING APPROVED ISN'T SOMETHING THAT WAS A, A RESULT OF DEFERRED MAINTENANCE OR IGNORED MAINTENANCE.MAKE SURE THAT IT REALLY IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT MEETS AS THE DEFINITION OF CAPITAL.
UM, SEEING NO MORE PUBLIC COMMENT, YOU CAN, UH, CONTINUE DISCUSSION OR MOVE ON TO THE VOTE.
WELL, LET ME MAKE A MOTION THAT, UH, WE'RE NOT GONNA RESOLVE THIS PROBLEM THIS AFTERNOON SITTING HERE.
SO I DON'T SEE WHETHER WHY THERE SHOULD BE ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THE TOPIC AS IT SITS RIGHT NOW.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE THIS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS LIST.
SO WE CAN HAVE A VOTE ON THAT.
OR IF WE WANTED TO AMEND THAT MOTION OR MAKE A DIFFERENT MOTION, YOU CAN DO THAT AS WELL.
WELL, I THINK THIS GENTLEMAN'S CONCERNS SHOULD BE A COMPLETELY SEPARATE YES IDEA.
RIGHT? 'CAUSE YOU ALREADY HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR THAT WE NEED TO VOTE ON.
YEAH, WE'RE ON NUMBER SEVEN AND WE HAVE THEN A VOTE POINT OF ORDER.
UM, I DON'T WANNA ERP THE ATTORNEY, BUT IF YOU WANT TO ADDRESS HIS CONCERN AS PART OF AN ACTION OF THE BODY, YOU'D HAVE TO DO IT HERE BECAUSE ANYTHING ELSE WOULDN'T BE AGENDIZED AND YOU COULDN'T VOTE ON IT.
SO IF YOU WANT THE COMMITTEE AT THIS MEETING TO ADDRESS HIS CONCERN, YOU WOULD HAVE TO AMEND YOUR, YOUR MOTION TO BE SOMETHING LIKE RECEIVE AND FILE AND ENCOURAGE STAFF WORK AT AMERICAN GOLF TO ADDRESS THE PROBLEM ON THE FOURTH TEE WRECK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
OR THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT GETS AGENDIZED IN THE FUTURE MEETING.
UM, YEAH, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT WE COULD MOVE ON WHAT WE, WE ARE READING HERE AND THEN MAKE A SECOND MOTION IF WE WERE INCLINED TO DO SO TO ASK THAT IT WOULDN'T WE RECEIVE A REPORT AT THE, AT THE NEXT MEETING.
IT WOULDN'T NEED TO BE A SECOND, UM, MOTION.
IT COULD BE AMENDED RIGHT NOW THE CURRENT APPROVED RECOMMENDATION.
UM, SO IF YOU'D, IF UH, THE PERSON WHO MOTIONED, WHICH IS YOURSELF WOULD LIKE TO AMEND IT TO INCLUDE ANOTHER ACTION IN THE MOTION, THEN YOU CAN, IT, THE GENTLEMAN'S COMMENT SHOULD REALLY BE PUBLIC COMMENT, WHICH IS NOT PART OF THIS AGENDA ITEM.
SO I THINK WE'RE A LITTLE BIT OUT OF ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER.
AGREE WITH WHAT'S I'M HERE FOR.
OR OUT OF ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER, I BELIEVE I WOULD ONLY SAY THAT IT PERHAPS A RECOMMENDATION FROM THIS COMMITTEE TO ADD AN ITEM SUCH AS A NEW NET THAT WOULD BE PART OF CIP AS I, SO I, I AGREE.
IT COULD, COULD BE EITHER WAY, BUT IT, I COULD SEE WHERE IT WOULD FIT INTO A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT BECAUSE I WAS TOLD IT'S NOT ON THE LIST THAT THERE WASN'T BUDGET.
I, WE'LL, WE'LL GET TO THE, SO, OKAY.
CAN I, THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT IT UP.
SO I THINK RIGHT NOW FOR ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER, FROM HOW I HAVE EXPERIENCED IT, BECAUSE THERE IS A MOTION ON THE TABLE, WHAT YOU WOULD NEED TO DO, BECAUSE YOU SET THE MOTION IN ORDER, YOU CAN ACCEPT THIS AND THEN SAY WITH THIS AMENDMENT AND ADD THAT LITTLE PIECE TO EITHER PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION AT A FUTURE MEETING OR WHATEVER IT IS YOU WANNA DO.
AND THEN WHOEVER SECOND IT WITHIN SECOND IT, AND THEN YOU CAN VOTE ON THE MOTION AS A, THE AMENDED A MOTION AT THAT POINT.
AND SO THAT'S HOW WE WOULD HANDLE WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW BECAUSE HIS PUBLIC COMMENT CAME UP ON THIS ITEM.
SO IF, IF I MAY, I WILL, I WILL AMEND THE INITIAL MOTION AND ASK FOR A REPORT AT THE NEXT MEETING.
MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF ADDING MORE NETTING TO THE CIP LIST.
AND, AND MAYBE ON NUMBER FOUR, AND OVERALL LOOKING TO THE CONCERNS OF THE PUBLIC REGARDING AARON GOLF BALLS, JUST AS PART OF THAT.
SECOND IS, WAS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH FOR THE RECORD THAT WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE.
SO DID YOU ACCEPT, UH, HIS FRIENDLY TO INCLUDE THE CONCERNS PART? IF SO, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO RESTATE IT TO INCLUDE, UM, CHAIR THRIFTS.
SO THE AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION WAS TO ASK THAT A REPORT, COME BACK TO THIS COMMITTEE REVIEWING THE NETTING AND ALSO ADD WHAT
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THE CHAIR SUGGESTED THAT WE, THAT INCLUDED IN THAT REPORT BE A GENERAL REVIEW OF THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THE NETTING.IS THAT RIGHT? AND WE NEED TO DO, I'M SORRY, WE HAD TO DESIGNATE ANAHEIM STREET ON THAT PARTICULAR COMMENT.
SO IT WOULD BE NETTING SPECIFIC TO THAT LOCATION? YES.
UM, SO IF YOU AS A SECONDER ACCEPT HIS AMENDED MOTION.
SECONDER, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD TO TAKE A VOTE ON THAT AMENDED MOTION.
SO YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND CALL FOR THE VOTE NOW CHAIR.
I CALL FOR A VOTE ON THE RECOMMENDATION TO, UH, CONCUR WITH THIS PROJECTS LIST AS WELL AS, UH, LOOKING INTO THE, UH, NETTING ON HOLE NUMBER FOUR AND, UH, POSSIBILITY OF THAT COMING UP AGAIN FOR OUR DISCUSSIONS.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT RECOMMENDATION, SAY AYE.
ALL OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THE MOTION PASSES.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT TO OUR ATTENTION.
RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE 2024 SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBER ASSIGNMENTS.
SO DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS TOPIC? SEEMS PRETTY CLEAR CUT.
AND WE HAVE A VOTE ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.
CAN WE CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? SURE.
IF THE ARE ANY MEMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEM EIGHT? THIS IS THE TIME.
SEEING NONE, YOU CAN, UH, MOVE ON TO VOTE.
MAY I HAVE A VOTE ON THE RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE 24 ASSIGNMENTS AS THEY NOW STAND? ALL ALL IN AGREEMENT SAY AYE.
OPPOSED THE UH, RECOMMENDATION PASSES.
ITEM NUMBER NINE, RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE 2024 GOLF ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING DATES.
UM, THESE, THESE DATES WERE IN OUR PACKET.
I'D LIKE TO, UH, HAVE A MOTION TO UH, ACCEPT THEM AS IS I MOVE TO ACCEPT, UH, I SECOND THAT MOTION.
WE VOTE ON OUR SCHEDULE ONE QUESTION.
UM, IT, I'M USED TO SEEING FEBRUARY MM-HMM.
AND WE MAY WANT TO TALK ABOUT SHIFTING ALL OF THE DATES.
UM, THE ISSUE IS BECAUSE OF THE NEW, UH, WAY WE NEED TO APPROVE FEES AND CHARGES, UM, IS THE, THE TIMING WITH, UM, GETTING THAT TO THE FULL COMMITTEE IN MAY DOESN'T REALLY WORK IF IT NEEDS TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL IN ORDER FOR AMERICAN GULF TO, UM, CHANGE THEIR FEES AS OF JULY 1ST.
SO THIS IS SORT OF A YEAH, TO ALLOW TIME FOR THAT PROCESS.
UM, THE HOPE IS THAT FEES IN CHARGE OF SUBCOMMITTEE CAN BE SO HOPE IS THAT WE CAN GET THE, UM, RATE ADJUSTMENT BEFORE THE SUBCOMMITTEE IN ADVANCE OF THIS DATE.
WHEREAS WITH IF MEETING THE FIRST WEEK OF FEBRUARY, THAT WOULD BE NOT FEASIBLE.
SO, UM, I'M HOPING THAT WORKS FOR EVERYBODY.
AND THEN WE DID EVEN HAVE AN, AN ANTICIPATED DATE, THE SUBCOMMITTEE TO MEET, TO GET THEM ON YOUR CALENDARS.
WHAT WAS IT? FEBRUARY 23RD IS THE PROPOSED DATE FOR THAT MEETING.
AND THEN IT WOULD COME TO THE FULL COMMITTEE ON THIS MARCH 7TH DATE.
WE DON'T HAVE TO APPROVE THAT FEBRUARY 23RD DATE RIGHT NOW.
CAN I, CAN I HEAR A MOTION OR IS THERE A MOTION? MOTION TO PUBLIC COMMENT PUBLIC TO ACCEPT THE NEW SCHEDULE.
I THINK WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.
UH, FINISHED WITH YOUR AGENDA? NO.
UH, IF THERE'S ANY PUBLIC COMMENT
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NO, NOT ON THAT.SO NO PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEM NINE? NO.
WE'LL HAVE A VOTE ON ITEM NUMBER NINE ON THE SUB ASSIGNMENTS AND, OR EXCUSE ME, THE DATES OF OUR MEETINGS FOR THE SUBS.
UH, ALL IN FAVOR OF THESE, UH, CHANGE DATES.
SO THAT CONCLUDES OUR REGULAR AGENDA.
SO YOU CAN OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS, RIGHT.
SO PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE WELCOME AND ANY ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THEM PLEASE.
THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES WHAT'S YOUR NAME? UH, MY NAME'S ROBERT MILLER.
I'M NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE ROBERTS RULES.
SO YOU JUST, UM, I'VE BEEN ATTENDING THE, UH, THESE MEETINGS FOR PROBABLY A YEAR AND A HALF.
'CAUSE WHEN I FOUND OUT ABOUT THE GOLF COMMITTEE, UM, PROBABLY A 24 YEAR RESIDENT OF LONG BEACH.
I GOLF REGULARLY AND SEE HIM OFTEN ON THE COURSE.
UM, WHAT I WANTED TO RAISE UP AND I GUESS ADD IT AS AGENDA ITEM FOR THE FUTURE WILL BRING YOUR ATTENTION, UM, FOR THE LAST THREE PLUS MONTHS.
UM, AS YOU'RE ALL AWARE, WHEN YOU BOOK A TEE TIME, IT'S DIFFICULT TO GET, WE DO IT ONLINE AND THEY RUN ON THE 10 20 ON THE ZEROS AND GO AROUND THE CLOCK.
UH, AMERICAN GOLF HAS TAKEN THE, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT CITY'S AWARE OF THIS, YOU NOW HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CALL AND GET A SEVEN TWENTY FIVE TEE TIME OR AN 8 25 TEE TIME AND THEY, THEY INSERT PEOPLE.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING HAS BEEN THAT THERE'S BEEN, THAT THERE'S A, SOME FLEXIBILITY WITH THE MANAGERS OF EACH COURSE TO FILL IN AND MOVE THINGS AROUND AND DO STUFF.
UM, BUT TO, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IT'S BECOME DISRUPTIVE.
AND I HAVE A COUPLE OF, I HAVE LIKE ELECTRONIC EXAMPLES OF IT WHERE MY, OUR TEE TIME WAS AT SEVEN 30 AND IT GOT PUSHED TO SEVEN 40, WHICH IS ONE TEE TIME.
AND THEN ANOTHER ONE WAS ADDED IN, IN THERE.
AND THESE ARE THE, THIS IS THE ACTUAL TEE SHEET FROM THE MORNING THAT HAD HAPPENED.
SO WE SHOWED UP TO PLAY GOLF AND WE HAD TO WAIT FOR TWO EXTRA TEE TIMES TO OPEN UP.
AND THERE SHOULD HAVE AT LEAST BEEN AN EMAIL SAYING YOU'VE BEEN PUSHED BECAUSE THERE IS SOME FLEXIBILITY GOING ON.
AND, AND IF, IF YOU'RE GOING TO, AND IT SEEMS TO ME IF YOU'RE GONNA MAKE A, IF YOU'RE GONNA MAKE THOSE KIND OF FLEXIBILITY CHANGES, THEN IT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN FAIRNESS FOR THE CITY, NOT NOT AT THE MANAGER'S DISCRETION.
SO FROM MYSELF AND MY OTHER FRIENDS OUT ON THE GOLF COURSE, UM, IT'S LIKE FRIENDS OF AMERICAN GOLF GET FOURSOMES.
AND I DON'T MEAN TO BE ACCUSATORY, BUT IT'S HARD TO GET TEE TIMES.
AND WHEN YOU TALK TO THE AMBASSADORS OR THE STARTERS, EVERYONE'S AWARE OF IT.
IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR AT LEAST THREE MONTHS OR LONGER.
AND THE ONLY ONE THAT CONTROLS IT IS AMERICAN GOLF.
AND THE MANAGERS, THERE'S NO FLEXIBILITY.
SO I, I EVEN WENT OVER TO SKY LINKS ONE DAY AND SAID, HEY, I WANT A 7 25.
AND THEY'RE LIKE, YOU'RE CRAZY, THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
AND I'M LIKE, WELL WHO DO I NEED TO KNOW TO GET TEE TIMES? 'CAUSE YOU'RE DOING IT.
SO ANYWAY, IF I COULD ADD THAT TO THE AGENDA.
SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A ONE TIME THING OR AN OCCASIONAL THING.
IT'S HAPPENING EVERY WEEK AT EVERY COURSE AND THE PUBLIC KNOWS ABOUT IT.
HOW, HOW MUCH DOES IT DELAY YOUR TEE TIME? 10 MINUTES.
SO I'VE HAD IT HAPPEN TO ME, BUT IT ONLY DELAYS FIVE OR 10 MINUTES.
SO THERE, AND I UNDERSTAND AND I GET THE, I UNDERSTAND, BUT AT LEAST SEND AN EMAIL, RIGHT? SO WE'RE NOT SPENDING AN EXTRA, YOU KNOW, THE TIME.
SO IS IT, IS IT AMERICAN GOLF'S POSITION THAT THEY KEEP THE, THE TIMES ON THE, ON THE 10 MINUTE MARK AND, AND YOU DO NOT INSERT TEE TIMES BETWEEN THE TWO? SO IT IS A, I GUESS A KIND OF COMMON BUSINESS PRACTICE IN OUR INDUSTRY WHERE IF WE SEE FIT BASED ON, UM, A POTENTIAL TO INCREASE REVENUE AND NOT AFFECT THE EXPERIENCE OF GOLFER, UM, WE WILL TRY TO SQUEEZE THE TIME, UH, BASED ON THE NEED OF THE BUSINESS.
SOMETIMES IT HAPPENS WHEN A SMALL GROUP, UM, SUCH AS A MEN'S CLUB, UM, YOU KNOW, TOURNAMENT OR, OR OUTSIDE, YOU KNOW, TOURNAMENT OR LADIES CLUB, WHATEVER, IF THEIR NUMBERS CHANGE LAST MINUTE, UM, AND WE ED THIS IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE TO THE NEEDS, UM, AND TELL 'EM TO BASICALLY PLAY A LITTLE QUICKER OR TRY TO REDUCE WITHIN THEMSELVES, UM, YOU KNOW, TEE OFF TIMES OR WHATNOT.
UM, SO YEAH, THERE, THERE ARE VARIATION OF SITUATIONS WHERE WE WOULD INSERT, UM, A TIE HERE AND THERE.
UM, AND I BELIEVE MOST, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC GOLF COURSES DO SO, UM,
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NOT JUST HERE IN LONG BEACH, BUT UM, MM-HMM.UM, THIS IS A KIND OF CUSTOMARY BUSINESS PRACTICE THAT WE DO.
SO YOU'RE FOLLOWING A CUSTOMARY PRACTICE, CORRECT.
NOW, IF IT HAS AFFECTED HIS GOLF BY 20 MINUTES OR MORE, THAT'S A PROBLEM.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD OBVIOUSLY AND JUST AN EMAIL, RIGHT.
IF YOU'RE GONNA DO IT, SEND AN EMAIL.
'CAUSE I'VE BEEN PLAYING IN LONG BEACH FOR 15 YEARS AND HIM I'M SURE AS WELL.
IT'S ALL, IT'S GOTTEN WORSE IN THE LAST THREE MONTHS.
NOW YOU MAY HAVE BEEN DOING IT A LITTLE BIT HERE AND A LITTLE BIT THERE, RIGHT.
BUT NOW IT'S LIKE YOU CAN GO, GO, I MEAN PULL UP THE TSHEETS AND LOOK AT, THIS IS LIKE ELECTRONIC DATA, RIGHT? RIGHT.
YOU CAN VERIFY WHAT I'M SAYING.
IT'S HAPPENING EGREGIOUSLY NOW.
EVERYONE WHEN YOU GO IN THERE TO PAY, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT IT.
AND, AND IT'S, YOU GO IN, YOU GO, HI, I'M AT SEVEN 30.
THEY'RE LIKE, NO, YOU'RE SEVEN 40.
RIGHT? AND PEOPLE ARE LIKE, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? YEAH.
I MEAN IT'S HAPPENING ALL COURSES.
RIGHT? ARE YOU INCENTIVIZED BY AMERICAN GOLF TO DO THAT? NO, NOT AT ALL.
UM, IF, IF IT IS, WE WOULD DO A LOT MORE
SO MY QUESTION, THAT'S A HONEST ANSWER.
SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND HAVE HIM CONCLUDE HIS PUBLIC COMMENT.
MY FINAL REMARK IS THAT MM-HMM
'CAUSE THERE'S PEOPLE THAT WANT THE 7 25 AND THE SEVEN 30 AND SEVEN POINT.
SO, AND, AND, AND WHEN YOU'RE ADDING THOSE, IT'S DONE AT THE MANAGER'S DISCRETION.
RIGHT? SO IF I'M THE MANAGER, IS IT TOM OR SOMEBODY AT REC? I DON'T KNOW THE GUY'S NAME.
IF, IF I, IF I'M FRIENDS WITH ART, ART, I NEED TO FORCE HIM COME OVER AT 7 25.
SO THE REST OF US HAVE TO GO ONLINE AND DO THAT.
AND THAT'S HOW THEY'RE BEING FILLED.
I THINK WE'VE COME TO THE END OF THIS DISCUSSION ON, UH, TEE TIMES.
WAIT, WHAT CAN I ADD TO THIS POINT? SURE.
ARE WE STILL UNDER COVID REGULATIONS IN THE CITY OF LONG BEACH? MAKE A COMMENT.
BUT THAT'S ALL THAT RIGHT? SO WE DON'T HAVE TO BE 10 MINUTES.
WE, WE JUST CHOOSE COMMUNICATING IT.
ARE WE NOT NINE? LET'S GO BACK TO EIGHT MINUTES DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.
DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS? UH, ON NON AGENDA, PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY, YOUR TIME STARTS NOW.
UH, SIMILAR TO WHAT BOB ROBERT JUST SAID.
UH, I BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE A FEW TOO MANY TURNS.
I TRIED TO GET STARTING TIMES AND I, I TRIED FOR THIS TOMORROW, LAST WEEK I WENT TO REC THERE, UH, THE SIGN IN SHEET SAID THERE'S TOURNAMENTS ON ALL THESE DAYS.
IT JUST SAYS THERE'S A TOURNAMENT.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S MORNING, AFTERNOON, EVENING, IF I WANT TO GET A MORNING OR MIDDAY TIME.
SO I, I WENT UP TO REC AND I SAID, DO YOU HAVE A TOURNAMENT TOMORROW? SHE SAID, YEAH, WE HAVE A TOURNAMENT FROM SEVEN O'CLOCK TILL, I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHEN I SAID SHOULD LOOK AT SKY LINK YET.
ALL THE TURNED OUT THERE WASN'T A TOURNAMENT AT REC AND I WAS READY AT SIX O'CLOCK TO GET A TIME AT SKY LINK.
SO WE USED TO HAVE ON THE CITY'S GOLF WEBSITE, WHICH I KNOW THEY GOT RID OF A LIST OF EACH COURSE EACH DAY.
WHAT TIME THERE WERE TOURNAMENTS SO THAT IF YOU WERE GETTING A STARTING TIME, YOU KNEW, OH, I NORMALLY LIKE TO PLAY AT NINE O'CLOCK OR 10 O'CLOCK AT THIS COURSE.
SO I'M GONNA HAVE TO, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T PICK AND CHOOSE.
YOU HAVE TO SAY, I WANT TO PLAY REC, I WANT TO PLAY SKY, I WANT TO PLAY EL ELBOW.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO, IF WE CAN, AND I KNOW IT'S WORKED FOR EITHER THE GMS OR SOMEBODY ON STAFF HAVE SOMEWHERE WHERE THE TOURNAMENTS ARE.
SO IF YOU'RE GONNA GET A RESERVATION, YOU KNOW, DON'T GO TO THIS, DON'T TRY TO RESERVE EL ELBOW OR YOU KNOW THAT THERE'S ONLY KNOW, THERE'S LADIES CLUB YOU MIGHT GET EARLIER, LATER.
I, I RAISED THIS TO GARY LIKE TWO OR THREE MONTHS AGO.
UM, IT WOULD JUST BE YOUR COMMENT.
ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY.
I'LL GIVE IT BACK TO YOU CHAIR.
THERE BEING NONE AND WELL THERE.
SOMEBODY'S DOWN HERE SAID COMMENT.
I BELIEVE, UH, THE BUSINESS FOR TODAY.
WELL IT JUST SEEMS LIKE FOUR OR FIVE OF THESE ITEMS DON'T PERTAIN TO THE GOLFERS.
YOU'VE RELEGATED THE GOLFERS FROM THE PUBLIC TO TALK IN THE LAST 10 MINUTES.
HOW ABOUT ELIMINATING TO 1, 2, 3, AND FIVE? BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THESE THINGS ARE.
WE APPROVE THEM, BUT YOU'RE NOT MUCH CUTTING OFF THE GOLFERS.
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ANY COMMENTS ON THAT BY ANYBODY? WELL, FIVE CERTAINLY RELATES TO GOLFERS.I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE.
SO, UH, WE CAN NO LONGER HAVE DISCUSSION SINCE WE'RE NOT ON ITEM.
UM, SO IF YOU HAVE ANY JUST PUBLIC COMMENT, UM, IF NOT THEN WE'LL JUST MOVE ON TO ADJOURN.
UH, WE CAN NO LONGER HAVE DISCUSSION.
I MOVE THAT THE MEETING BE ADJOURNED AT FOUR 13.