Nov 08, 2023 Ethics Commission

THAT THAT WAS, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE MINUTES, MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE I'M USED TO, YOU KNOW, USING WRITTEN DOCUMENTS, WHICH IN SOME PERIODS OF TIME ARE THE ONLY KIND OF DOCUMENTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO, TO LOOK AT THINGS.

WHAT, IS THAT TOO MUCH OF A BURDEN TO HAVE IT INCORPORATED INTO THE MINUTES SO THAT, THAT THEY REALIZE

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IS IT, IS THERE SOMETHING, IS IT TOO INCONVENIENT TO ADD THAT INFORMATION INTO A, UM, I MEAN, WE, WE MENTIONED WHEN E E-COMMERCE ARE, UH, RECEIVED OR, OR NOT RECEIVED AND, AND THESE MINUTES ARE, DON'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THAT EITHER, BUT, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE BOTH OF THOSE THINGS REFLECTED IN MINUTES.

AND NOT JUST FOR THIS, BUT FOR, FOR ANY RECORDS OF THE CITY, FRANKLY.

SO I CAN DEFINITELY LOOK INTO THAT.

UM, I THINK ON, SO FOR THE LAST MINUTES, IT SHOULD HAVE INCLUDED, UM, THE, AN ITEM THAT'S RECEIVING AND FILING THE E-COMMERCE REPORT.

UM, AND MOVING FORWARD IN THE NEW SYSTEM, UM, SINCE WE ARE ABLE TO MAKE ATTACHMENTS TO THE SECTION NAME, WE ARE JUST LIKE INCLUDING, UH, A NOTE SAYING LIKE, THERE WERE NO ONLINE COMMENT, UH, OR THERE WERE NO ONLINE PUBLIC COMMENTS RECEIVED.

UM, OR SOMETHING TO THAT EXTENT.

I, I CAN PULL THAT UP IN A LITTLE BIT IF YOU WANT CLARIFICATION ON WHAT THE NOTE SAYS.

UM, AND THEN FOR THE, UM, NOTIFICATION OF ADDING INFORMATION REGARDING THE VIRTUAL PUBLIC COMMENT, UM, I CAN CHECK WITH, UH, THE CITY CLERK AND GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT.

YEAH, I'M JUST, I'M LOOKING AT 'EM NOW.

THEY DO SAY THAT NO ONLINE PUBLIC COMMENTS OR OR NON AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT EMAILS WERE RECEIVED.

SO THAT'S TAKEN CARE OF.

BUT THE FACT THAT, UM, THAT THE REMOTE PARTICIPATION IN THE MEETING WAS OFFERED IS NOT REFLECTED.

AND WE'VE GONE TO, WE'VE GONE TO A LOT OF WORK TO TRY TO MAKE THIS THE WORK OF THE, OF OUR COMMISSION ON LOBBYING CLEAR THAT IT, IT'S REALLY BEEN AVAILABLE.

THAT'S WHY I'M PRESSING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS.

SO, SO IF I COULD OFFER A SUGGESTION, JT, IF YOU COULD EVEN GO BACK TO YOUR OFFICE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T INDICATE, IT JUST SAYS, SO-AND-SO SPOKE, SO-AND-SO SPOKE AND SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE SPOKE IN PERSON, OTHERS SPOKE VIA ZOOM.

AND IF IT COULD EVEN JUST INDICATE WHO SPOKE VIA ZOOM, THAT WOULD BE AN INDICATOR THAT THAT WAS AVAILABLE TO THEM.

BUT IF SOME, IF COMMISSIONS, IF MEMBERS OF THIS COMMISSION WERE TO LOOK BACK DOWN THE ROAD AND WANNA DO A SIMILAR MEETING, IT, IT KIND OF GIVES THEM A GUIDEPOST OF, 'CAUSE WE, WE REALLY WORKED HARD TO REACH OUT AND MAKE SURE THERE WAS A LOT OF, OF INPUT FROM PEOPLE AND IT WAS A LITTLE DISAPPOINTING THAT THERE WERE JUST A FEW PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE AND ONLY LIKE A COUPLE WHO TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THAT ZOOM.

SO I, I CAN SEE COMMISSIONER WEISS'S POINT THAT FROM A HISTORIC PERSPECTIVE, IF SOMEBODY'S GOING BACK AND LOOKING IT, IT ALSO GIVES YOU A PERSPECTIVE AS TO WHETHER PEOPLE ARE REALLY TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE TECHNOLOGY THAT'S IN PLACE AND IF THERE ARE OTHER OUTREACH.

SO IF WE COULD EVEN JUST NOTE THOSE PEOPLE THAT SPOKE BY ZOOM AND TO THE ONES THAT SPOKE IN PERSON, JUST LEAVE IT THAT THEY SPOKE.

I'LL, I'LL CHECK WITH, UM, THE CITY CLERK AND WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT AND THAT WOULD WORK FOR YOU.

COMMISSIONER WEISS? YES.

MM-HMM, .

ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, CAN WE HAVE THE VOTE? UH, I'M SORRY, I DON'T HAVE THAT SCREEN UP.

I WAS LOOKING AT THE MEETING MINUTES.

GO AHEAD.

I I WAS JUST CHECKING ONE THING.

MAYBE I MISSED IT, BUT I JUST WENT BACK TO LOOK.

UH, THE AGENDA SAYS RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE ETHICS COMMISSION MEETING ON WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 11 AND OCTOBER 25.

MM-HMM, OUR PACKET ONLY HAD, I BELIEVE THE MINUTES FROM OCTOBER 11 THAT I'M BOTH, WERE THERE.

THEY WERE BOTH THERE.

THE CAME SECOND.

YEAH, I, I NOTICED THAT AS WELL.

SO I SENT THE REVISED OH, OH.

AND THANK YOU.

AND I HAD TO GO.

I HAD TO GO BACK TO THE FIRST VERSION.

THAT'S WHAT YOU, THAT'S WHAT YOUR NOTE WAS BECAUSE EVERY, WHEN I OPENED UP THE REVISED VERSION I WAS HAVING, THERE WAS AN ERROR AND I WAS HAVING TO CLICK OKAY LIKE 5,000 TIMES AND I FINALLY JUST GAVE UP AND WENT TO THE FIRST VERSION.

I HAD THE SAME PROBLEM.

SO I THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? OH, SEEING NONE, CAN WE CALL THE VOTE COMMISSIONER WEISS'S SCREEN? OH, THERE IT IS.

ALRIGHT, MOTION CARRIES.

TO CONDUCT A STUDY SESSION REGARDING THE EVALUATION AND DISCUSSION OF APPLICANTS FOR THE VACANT POSITION OF COMMISSIONER AND APPROVE A LIST OF CANDIDATES

OUR NEXT ITEM IS, CAN I HAVE A MOTION ON THE RECOMMENDATION

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[2. 23-25091 Recommendation to conduct a study session regarding the evaluation and discussion of applicants for the Commission’s current vacancy; and, if appropriate, identify and approve the list of candidates to interview. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]

TO INTERVIEW.

IT'S BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICTUS, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER ANNOVA.

SO WE WERE EACH ASKED TO REVIEW THE APPLICATIONS AND DO OUR RANKINGS.

UM, WOULD SOMEBODY LIKE TO OPEN WITH THEIR, ANY COMMENTS THEY HAVE ON THE CANDIDATES? TALK ABOUT WHO THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE FOR INTERVIEW? I HAVE A MORE OF A GENERAL COMMENT.

SURE.

UH, SO I APPRECIATED JUST GENERAL COMMENT ON ALL OF 'EM.

I APPRECIATED TRYING TO PRESERVE THE ANONYMITY.

I WAS A LITTLE SURPRISED BY THE LEVEL OF REDACTION.

I THOUGHT MAYBE THERE WERE SOME THINGS REDACTED THAT I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD STILL BE RELEVANT TO UNDERSTAND, FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE THE INDIVIDUAL WORKED.

UM, I REAL, I DO REALIZE AND APPRECIATE THAT THROUGH THAT INFORMATION YOU COULD PROBABLY DIAL IN TO SEE WHO THEY ARE.

I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE UNAVOIDABLE ANYWAY, UM, WITH OTHER INFORMATION THAT MAY BE THERE.

I DIDN'T NOTICE, I DIDN'T IDENTIFY ANYBODY HERE, BUT THERE ARE CASES WHERE I'M SURE I WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY SOMEBODY EVEN WITH THAT LEVEL OF REDACTION.

I WOULD JUST PROPOSE THAT I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED THAT LEVEL OF REDACTION.

SO I THINK, LET'S SEE HOW THIS PROCESS GOES AND WE CAN GIVE THAT FEEDBACK TO STAFF LATER ON.

GOOD.

YOU'RE RIGHT.

THERE WAS A LOT OF REDACTION AND WE KNOW AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE WANNA KEEP IT AS BLIND AS POSSIBLE WHEN THEY COME IN FOR THEIR FACE-TO-FACE INTERVIEW THE ALL BETTS GO OUT THE WINDOW.

SO, I MEAN, THERE, THERE WERE, THERE WERE A COUPLE THAT I WAS TRYING TO LOOK AT UNIVERSITIES TO SEE IF I COULD FIGURE OUT WHO THEY WERE.

AND THEY WEREN'T WHO I THOUGHT THEY WERE.

SO, UM, YOU SEE, YOU JUST CERTAIN POINTS .

YEAH, NO, EXACTLY.

SO I I I, I APPRECIATED THAT THEY DID GO TO THAT LEVEL, SO THAT I WAS REALLY LOOKING AT IT JUST FROM, AND, AND I APPRECIATE THAT AND I APPRECIATE THAT THE FACT THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO IDENTIFY SOMETHING.

I JUST, BUT I ALSO AT THE SAME TIME BELIEVE IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO KNOW WHERE THEY WORK, WHAT UNIVERSITY THEY WORKED AT, WHAT JUDGE WAS A FEDERAL JUDGE.

STATE JUDGE, A PARTICULAR JUDGE.

THEY WORKED.

'CAUSE THAT COULD ALSO, BUT I THINK WE CAN GET THAT WITH THE, WITH THE INTERVIEWS ALSO.

SO LET'S, LET'S SEE HOW WE SHAKE OUT WHO WE'RE GOING TO CALL FOR INTERVIEWS.

UM, WE DON'T HAVE A SET NUMBER, SO LET'S JUST KIND OF WHO WANT YOU WANNA GO FIRST ON? NO, NOPE.

I'VE ALREADY SPOKEN.

I'LL LET SOMEBODY ELSE.

I TALK TOO MUCH IN THESE MEETINGS.

THERE'S NO SUCH THING.

WHO WOULD LIKE TO COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICTUS? UM, AS, UH, MOST OF, YOU KNOW, BE BLUNT, BE BRIEF, BE GONE.

UM, UH, THE CANDIDATES, ALL OF THEM WERE GREAT.

VERY THOUGHTFUL.

UM, I ALWAYS, IN SOME CASES I WONDER IF OUR QUESTIONS DIDN'T TEASE OUT MORE, UH, FROM THEM.

BUT THE QUESTIONS AS THEY WERE, UH, POSED, UH, SOME TOOK ADVANTAGE AND WERE VERY THOROUGH.

I THOUGHT, UH, THE CANDIDATES THAT, UH, STOOD OUT TO ME WERE 13, 16, AND 17.

UM, MUCH OF MY FOCUS, UH, I AGREE WITH YOU THAT THE INTERVIEWS ARE GONNA BE CRITICAL.

UM, I WAS LOOKING FOR PRACTITIONER EXPERIENCE, EXPERIENCE WITH, UM, AND FLUENCY WITH CONFLICT OF INTEREST, CAMPAIGNING AND LOBBYING IN PARTICULAR.

UM, OF COURSE, ANY RELEVANT EXPERIENCE HAVING TO DO WITH GOVERNMENT AND COMMUNITY WORK IS, UH, IS SUPER IMPORTANT.

BUT I DID, I DO LEAN TOWARDS, UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE OF CORPORATE AND GOVERNMENT EXPERIENCE BECAUSE, UH, WE GET GREAT SUPPORT FROM STAFF, COMMUNITY GETS INVOLVED.

UH, BUT, UH, FOR THIS COMMISSION, I THINK WE'VE SEEN THAT A LOT OF PRACTITIONER, UH, EXPERIENCE IS ALSO IMPORTANT.

SO, UH, THOSE WERE THE, THE THREE THAT I CHOSE.

GO AHEAD.

UM, INTERESTING.

'CAUSE THERE'S NOT THAT MUCH OVERLAP.

WHICH I, I WOULD'VE THOUGHT YOU AND I'D HAVE A LOT OF OVERLAP.

UM, MY TOP THREE WERE NUMBER SEVEN, NUMBER 12, AND NUMBER 16.

SO THERE'S OVERLAP ON 16.

16.

AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE ISSUES AND, AND THOUGHTFULNESS.

I ALSO THOUGHT THAT WE HAD A LOT OF VERY, VERY GOOD CANDIDATES.

UM, I WAS LOOKING FOR SOME LEVEL OF KNOWLEDGE OF THE KINDS OF ISSUES THAT WE DEAL WITH, BUT I WAS ALSO LOOKING AT REPRESENTATION IN THE COMMUNITY.

PEOPLE WHO HAD BEEN IN, ACTIVELY ENGAGED IN THE COMMUNITY, EITHER IN THEIR PROFESSIONAL LIFE OR, OR VOL THROUGH VOLUNTEERISM.

UM, AND THEN COMBINING THAT WITH

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SO THANK YOU.

WHO WANTS TO GO NEXT? CHAIR? COMMISSIONER, NOVA CHAIR.

UM, JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE ALL THOSE THAT APPLIED, UH, FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY.

UM, I KNOW IT TAKES A LOT OF WORK AND TIME TO PUT TOGETHER A RESUME AND ANSWER QUESTIONS.

UM, CERTAINLY I'VE DONE IT AND MOST OF US HAVE DONE IT HERE AS WELL.

UM, I DID THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT MY COLLEAGUES JUST SHARED.

UM, AT FIRST GLANCE, AFTER READING THE RESUMES, UM, THE, THEIR ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS THAT WE POSED, UM, I VOTED, I HAVE DECIDED THAT I'M NOT INTERESTED IN NUMBER 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 10, 14, 17.

AND MAINLY FURTHER LACK OF COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT, MAINLY FOR THEIR LACK OF VOLUNTEERISM.

AND SOME OF 'EM HAVEN'T BEEN IN LONG BEACH VERY LONG.

AND I, I WAS REALLY LOOKING, UM, FOR THEIR DEDICATION AND EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH COMMUNITIES, UM, NONPROFITS, UH, COMM, UH, PEOPLE OF COLOR, UH, DIVERSE COMMUNITIES.

AND I DIDN'T SEE THAT VERY MUCH IN THE, THE CANDIDATES THAT I JUST READ OFF.

UM, I HAVE A QUESTION.

ONE OF THE QUESTIONS IS, DO YOU OR YOUR EMPLOYER CONTRACT WITH THE CITY OF LONG BEACH? I BELIEVE THERE WERE THREE THAT ANSWERED.

UM, DOES THAT DISQUALIFY THEM? WHAT'S A TAYLOR TO ANSWER THAT ONE, I'M PULLING UP THE CODE RIGHT NOW.

UM, BUT AT THE, AT A MINIMUM, IT WOULD MEAN THAT IF THEY WERE TO INFLUENCE THEIR OWN CONTRACT, THEY WOULD HAVE TO RECUSE THEMSELVES.

BUT I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S IN THE CHARTER.

THAT'S NOT ONE OF THE ONES RINGING A BELL, BUT I WANT TO DOUBLE CHECK TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M TELLING YOU THE TRUTH.

IT'S IN THE CHARTER.

IN THE CHARTER.

WHEN I, 'CAUSE I LOOKED AT THIS QUITE CLOSELY WHEN I APPLIED, UH, WAS IT WAS A LOBBYIST OR LOT LOBBYIST EMPLOYER.

AND WE WENT, I DEFINITELY HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH LEGAL COUNSEL WITH THE CITY OF WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA EDISON COMPANY EMPLOYS LOBBYISTS.

I'M NOT, UH, LLOYD EMPLOYED WITH THE COMPANY AS A LOBBYIST.

UH, AND THEY MADE THE DETERMINATION THAT I WAS ELIGIBLE.

YEAH, THAT'S ACCURATE.

SO IT'S, YOU CAN'T HOLD ELECTIVE OFFICE, INCLUDING FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT OR THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE.

YOU CAN'T, UM, SERVE AS AN OFFICER IN ANY ELECTION CAMPAIGN FOR OR AGAINST A CANDIDATE FOR ANY OF THOSE.

YOU CAN'T BE EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY AND YOU CAN'T BE, UH, EMPLOYED OR REGISTERED AS A LOBBYIST.

SO, NO, IT WOULD BE THE INITIAL ANSWER OF THEY LIKELY WOULD HAVE TO RECUSE THEMSELVES, BUT THAT'S CONFLICT LIKE ANY OTHER CONFLICT.

THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION AND CHAIR.

I DO HAVE SOME OVERLAP WITH, UH, MY COLLEAGUES.

UH, MAYBE HELP US GET SOME CONSENSUS.

UM, THESE ARE MAYBES FOR ME.

UM, I'D GIVE MORE A CONSIDERATION TO 13, 16.

'CAUSE I, I, I ALREADY SAID 16, SO 7, 12, 13, 16.

COMMISSIONER WEISS.

ACTUALLY WE'VE GOT YEAH, ENTERED WITH ME.

THAT'S ONE OF HERS.

SORRY.

UM, THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN CALLED OUT SO FAR, UM, AS BEING, AS SORT OF MOVING ON, I'LL SAY I HAD EITHER IN MY FIRST OR SECOND TIER.

UM, THE ONE, THE OTHER ONE I WOULD ADD IS NUMBER 11.

SO YOU, YOU LIKED 13, YOU LIKED 13, 16, 17, 7, 12, AND 11.

UH, BECAUSE THEY WERE THE CLOSEST AND RANKED.

UH, I'LL GIVE YOU MY TOP FIVE.

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UM, I COULD EVEN GO TO THE TOP SIX, BUT I HAD 7, 16, 11, 12 AND 17.

7, 16, 11, 12 AND 17.

THERE IS A LOT OF OVERLAP THERE.

YEAH, THAT IS GOOD.

UM, AND COMMISSIONER NOVE, I HEAR YOU SAYING THAT YOU WIPED OUT A WHOLE BUNCH BECAUSE OF THEIR LACK OF, OF THEIR LACK OF EXPLAINING MUCH IN THE WAY OF COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT.

UM, THANK YOU CHAIR PRIMARILY, YES.

IN ADDITION, UM, THEIR ANSWERS TO THE THREE QUESTIONS I FOUND TO BE VERY WEAK.

AND, UM, MORE LIKE PHRASES ONE OR TWO SENTENCES PER QUESTION.

I HAD THAT SAME CONCERN AS I WAS READING THROUGH THESE THAT, THAT REALLY, THE BULK OF THESE CANDIDATES HAD VERY, UM, LIMITED STATEMENTS, MINIMAL INFORMATION.

AND IT MADE ME THINK THAT, ABOUT THE FACT THAT THERE ARE A LOT, WE KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD THAT DO NOT COMMUNICATE THAT WELL IN WRITING THAT PRESENT BETTER FOR VERBALLY THAN THEY DO IN WRITING.

AND MY GOAL IS THAT THIS COMMISSION BE AS INCLUSIVE AS POSSIBLE.

SO I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT COMFORTABLE ELIMINATING WIDE SWATHS OF PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T MEET THE STANDARD THAT I WOULD SET FOR MYSELF IN RESPONDING TO AN APPLICATION.

UM, I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH HEATHER.

WE COULD HAVE THE TIME TO INTERVIEW ALL 19 IF WE WANTED TO GO THAT ROUTE.

AND WE KNOW THE CITY IS TRYING TO BE MORE INCLUSIVE.

UM, THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR CODE.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THOSE, THOSE FOLKS COULD STAND UP TO THE RIGORS OF WHAT'S EXPECTED THROUGH BY THE SIX OF US TO BE A COMMISSIONER.

BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE WORTH A CONVERSATION.

SO THAT'S KIND OF MY QUESTION TO EVERYONE.

DO WE WANT TO CUT IT AT A CERTAIN NUMBER OR DO WE WANT TO MAKE THE OPPORTUNITY AVAILABLE TO EVERYONE? WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO ADD A THIRD DAY OF INTERVIEWS BECAUSE THE FIRST DAY, HEATHER, YOU TOLD ME THAT WE ONLY HAVE THE ROOM AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR THREE HOURS.

SO CAN I ALSO, UM, CHIME IN FOR CONSIDERATION BEFORE A DECISION IS MADE OR FEEDBACK IS PROVIDED? YES.

UM, I WANNA CLARIFY THAT.

WE CAN'T SAY THAT WE CAN UNTIL WE MEET WITH THE REST OF OUR STAKEHOLDERS.

WE HAVE TO COORDINATE WITH TID WITH THE CLERK, WITH TAYLOR, JORGE, HEATHER, AND MY AVAILABILITY, BECAUSE IT TAKES A LOT OF EFFORT TO HOST THIS MEETING, ESPECIALLY OFFSITE.

WE NEEDED TO MAKE SURE THAT OTHER FOLKS HAVE AVAILABILITY TO DO SO BECAUSE THEY SERVE, ESPECIALLY TID, THE MAYOR'S NEEDS COUNCIL MEMBER'S NEEDS, UH, GROUNDBREAKING RIBBON CUTTING HOLIDAY EVENTS.

SO I, BEFORE WE MAKE THE ASSUMPTION THAT WE CAN, WE NEED TO CHECK IN WITH OTHER FOLKS TO SEE THAT IT IS POSSIBLE TO ADD A SECOND AND A THIRD.

BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST STAFF PRESENCE AND COORDINATION, IT'S OTHER FOLKS WHO NEED TO BE MADE AVAILABLE AS WELL.

SO WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT ALREADY.

HAD A SECOND DAY SET UP DECEMBER 6TH.

SO THEN A THIRD DAY.

I MEAN, WE NEED, NEED, WHEN WE'RE ADDING MORE, WE NEED TO CHECK WITH OTHERS BEFORE WE DETERMINE YES, WE CAN DO THAT.

AND HOW MANY HOURS DO WE HAVE ON THE SIXTH? THAT HASN'T BEEN DETERMINED YET.

WE CAN, WE HAVEN'T DECIDED THAT TOGETHER.

WHAT TIME WE'RE STARTING OR WHERE WE'RE GOING.

UM, BUT ALSO WE WERE TALKING ABOUT FOLKS HAVING FOUR TO FIVE MINUTES TO PRESENT AND THEN MAYBE FOUR TO FIVE MINUTES FOR RESPONSE TO QUESTIONS.

SO IT'S 10 MINUTES.

UH, SO WE CAN DO SIX AN HOUR IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THREE HOURS SO FAR.

COMMISSIONER DI BENEDICTUS KIND OF ADDED UP ALL OF THE CANDIDATES THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED SO FAR.

AND I THINK THERE WERE ONLY SIX.

7 11, 12, 13, 16, AND 17.

UM, JUST BASED ON EVERYBODY'S INPUT.

UM, THERE'S COMMONALITY AMONG THE COMMISSIONERS.

UH, WE WERE SILENT ON 18 AND 19, BUT, UM, I'LL JUST ADD, UH, MY ANECDOTAL THOUGHTS.

UM, COMMISSIONER NOVE, I THINK IT WAS VERY THOROUGH.

HIS, HIS COMMENTS DO REFLECT MY COMMENTS TOO, AS TO, UM, EITHER THE, THE RESPONSIVENESS THOROUGHNESS, UM,

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AND I, BELIEVE ME, I DO LOOK AT THEM.

I'M LOOKING FOR WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.

UH, WHAT IS IT THAT THEY BRING THAT MAYBE WASN'T CONTEMPLATED IN THE ANSWER OR, UM, AND I'M OPEN.

WE COULD MAYBE SELECT A FEW MORE, BUT I THINK THAT THE SIX ARE SOLID, UH, FOR INTERVIEW.

UM, AND IF WE WANNA WIDEN IT A LITTLE BIT.

BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE MAYBE BURDENS OF TO DO 19, UH, BUT, UH, DEFER TO YOU.

WELL, I'LL SAY I DID STILL RANK THEM AND MY TOP FIVE OR 7, 13, 11, 12 AND 16.

SO I THINK WE'VE GOT PRETTY CLOSE.

GREAT MINDS THINK ALIKE.

UM, I, I'M, I THINK I'M IN AGREEMENT.

UM, I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED THAT I WAS, I LOOKED AT BOTH EXPERIENCE AND ALSO COMMUNITY SERVICE AND KIND OF LOOKED AT THEM BOTH TOGETHER.

UM, IF THEY HAD REALLY GOOD EXPERIENCE, I WAS VALUING THAT, BUT I WAS ALWAYS ALL THINKING, ALL OF 'EM, REALLY LOOKING AND SEE IF THERE WAS SOME LEVEL OF COMMUNITY SERVICE AND SOME REAL COMMUNITY SERVICE.

UM, THE OTHER THING THOUGH IS I WAS ALSO INFLUENCED BY THEIR, WHAT THEY WROTE.

UH, I WILL SAY THAT, UH, IT COULD BE FOR SOME, UH, THAT, UH, THAT WROTE LESS.

IT COULD HAVE BEEN THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE QUESTIONNAIRE, THE QUESTIONNAIRE HAS A BOX THAT THEY START OFF.

AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PRINTED OUT.

AND THEY MAY NOT THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT THERE'S A BOX THAT MAY DE IT LEAD SOMEONE TO, UH, THINK THAT IT NEEDS TO BE A BRIEF STATEMENT AS OPPOSED TO KIND OF A PAGE.

AND SOME PEOPLE DID WRITE A PAGE.

UH, BUT I THINK THAT'S MORE OF A SYSTEM ISSUE.

AND I DO UNDERSTAND THE CONSTRAINTS.

I HAVE ONE COMMENT AFTER COMMISSIONER P*****K.

NO, YOU CAN CONTINUE AND I'LL MINE.

ON THAT POINT, IF I MAY, UM, I ACTUALLY REACTED VERY NEGATIVELY TO ONE THAT INCLUDED 40 THINGS OF THIS IS ALL I'VE DONE, BECAUSE WE DO NEED TO SIFT THROUGH INFORMATION AND FIGURE OUT WHAT'S IMPORTANT.

I ACTUALLY RESONATED WITH MORE BREVITY TO SHOW WHAT'S IMPORTANT.

SO I, I, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THAT'S TALKING TO SKILL AS OPPO.

I WANTED TO SEE INVOLVEMENT, BUT I ALSO WANTED TO SEE SOME THOUGHTFULNESS GO INTO WHAT'S IMPORTANT INVOLVEMENT.

THAT'S A VERY VALID POINT.

AND THERE WERE VALID POINT AND THERE WERE SOME THAT I WAS LIKE, KIND OF, IT'S, THERE'S TOO MUCH HERE.

UH, THE OTHER POINT I WAS GONNA MAKE IS, I MEAN, SOME OF US PROVIDED THREE, SOME OF US PROVIDED FIVE IN TERMS OF OUR ORAL STATEMENTS HERE.

AND IT MAY BE BETTER TO KIND OF, TO DO THAT, UH, TO SEE WHO THE TOP ONES ARE, IF WE ALL PROVIDE THE SAME NUMBER.

UM, AS A SUGGESTION.

HEATHER, ARE YOU KIND OF, WERE YOU KINDA KEEPING TALLY AS TO WHO BY THE NUMBERS? WHO RANKED DIFFERENT NUMBERS AT THE TOP? YES.

I THINK I'M DOING OKAY.

I DIDN'T GET YOUR NUMBERS, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU GAVE ANY YET.

I DID.

I SAID, UM, MY NUMBER ONE WAS SEVEN THEN 13, 11, 12 AND 16.

WHAT WERE THOSE AGAIN? 7, 13, 11, 12 AND 16, WHICH IS BASICALLY OH, I GET YOU.

WHICH IS BASICALLY, I THINK THAT MATCHES WITH EVERYONE EXCEPT FOR 17.

I DIDN'T HAVE 17.

AND I DID NOTE THAT COMM, I THINK COMMISSIONER THIS AND VICE CHAIR POLL.

OH, COMMISSIONER SCHWA.

CAN YOU USE YOUR MIC? DO YOU WANNA, YOU, WILL YOU, YOU GUYS WANNA GIVE YOUR OTHER TWO? IF YOU DID YOUR TOP FIVE, WHO WERE THEY? UM, I, I, I ACTUALLY, MY OTHER TWO WERE NOT ON ANYONE'S LIST.

THEY WERE MY NUMBERS FOUR AND FIVE, AND I'M OKAY NOT INCLUDING THEM, BUT WERE, BUT WHAT WERE THEY FOR FOUR AND FIVE? UH, NUMBER THREE AND NUMBER 18.

AND COMMISSIONER D DEUS.

I'M SUPPORTIVE OF ADDING 12 AND PROBABLY SEVEN.

BUT THIS, I, I'D LIKE TO SEE HEATHER'S LIST, BUT WE HAVE OUR COMMISSIONER DAVID, WHO DID YOU JUST ADD YOUR MIC? SORRY.

UH, 12 AND SEVEN.

WHO, WHO DO WE HAVE RIGHT NOW AS THE ONES THAT WE THINK ARE, UH, UM, MOVING FORWARD? HEATHER? I HAVE 7, 11, 13, 16, AND 17.

I THOUGHT 12 WAS ON THERE.

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I, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT I, I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE VOICES FROM AS MANY COMMUNITIES AS, AS POSSIBLE COMING TO, YOU KNOW, PARTICIPATING IN THIS, UM, COMMISSION.

AND SO I DID PAY ATTENTION TO THAT.

AND AS WE NARROW THIS DOWN, I'M TRYING TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT IN TERMS OF DISTRICT RACE, ALL THE ISSUE, ALL THE DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION THAT WAS, UM, THAT WAS COLLECTED AND, AND PROVIDED, PROVIDED TO US.

UM, I'M, I, I'LL JUST SAY I'M, I'M SYMPATHETIC TO, UM, THE CHAIR'S POINT ABOUT, UM, PERSONS WHO MAY NOT BE ABLE TO, UM, EXPRESS THEMSELVES ON PAPER AS, AS WELL AS OTHER PEOPLE.

UM, I DO THINK ABILITY TO EXPRESS YOURSELF IS IMPORTANT QUALITY OF WHO'S EVER ON THIS COMMISSION.

BECAUSE WE NEED, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO STIMULATE OUR, OUR THINKING.

UM, WHICH IS MOSTLY WHAT WE, WE DO THAT CAN BE DONE ORALLY OR IN WRITING.

UM, SO I'M, I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE.

BUT I, BUT I AM VERY SENSITIVE TO WHAT DISTRICT'S, DEMOGRAPHICS, WHATEVER ARE REPRESENTED ON THIS, ON THIS COMMISSION.

I, I WILL JUST SAY TOO, JUST GENERALLY, I, I WAS PLEASED AT THE, AT, AT PRETTY MUCH THE BREADTH OF THE APPLICATIONS IN, IN THAT REGARD.

AND I CAN SEE THERE'S PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO HAVE THOUGHT AND ARE THINKING ABOUT ETHICS A LOT.

AND I WISH THEY WOULD COME TO MORE MEETINGS AND GIVE US SOME TIPS.

I, I REALLY DO.

BECAUSE I THINK WE COULD, WE COULD USE, UM, FURTHER INPUT FROM OTHER PEOPLE WHEN WE'RE WORKING ON POLICY ISSUES.

SO WHOEVER APPLIED, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND PLEASE, UH, KEEP IN CONTACT WITH US 'CAUSE WE NEED YOU.

SO I DID A QUICK CHECK BY SUPERVISOR, UH, SUPERVISORIAL.

I WENT BACK TO WORK COUNCIL DISTRICT.

UM, CANDIDATE SEVEN RESIDES IN DISTRICT SIX.

CANDIDATE 11 RESIDES IN DISTRICT FOUR, NEITHER OF WHICH ARE CURRENTLY REPRESENTED ON THIS BODY.

CANDIDATE 12 AND CANDIDATE 16 BOTH RESIDE IN THE THIRD DISTRICT, WHICH WE HAVE A COUPLE OF MEMBERS WHO RESIDE IN THE THIRD CANDIDATE.

13 IS IN THE FOURTH.

AND CANDIDATE 17 IS IN THE NINTH, WHICH IS NOT REPRESENTED ON THIS COMMISSION.

IN TERMS OF ETHNICITY, WE HAD ONE DECLINE TO STATE TWO ARE WHITE.

ONE IS AFRICAN AMERICAN.

OH, I'M SORRY.

THREE ARE WHITE, ONE IS AFRICAN AMERICAN AND ONE IS ASIAN CHAIR.

IF I CAN JUMP IN REAL QUICK.

SURE.

UH, TO COMMISSIONER WEISS'S POINT, UM, THE, MY RANKING WAS SOLELY BASED ON THE ANSWERS AND THE RESUMES AND THEIR WRITING AND THEIR INVOLVEMENT.

UM, I DID NOT LOOK AT DISTRICT OR GENDER, ET CETERA, BUT THAT THOSE ARE, I HAVEN'T FORGOTTEN THAT THOSE ARE IMPORTANT CONSIDERATIONS.

UH, BUT I WAS GONNA DO THAT NEXT DEPENDING ON WHAT NEXT STEPS WE WERE GONNA DO AS A BODY.

BUT BECAUSE I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THIS COMMISSION REPRESENT THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF THE CITY.

SO AM I HEARING A CONSENSUS AROUND CANDIDATE 7, 11, 12, 13, 16, AND 17, WHICH HAS SIX CANDIDATES? ARE THERE ANY FROM WITHIN OUR MAYBES THAT WE WANTED TO BRING FORWARD AND POSSIBLY ADD TO THE LIST? OR DO WE THINK THOSE ARE OUR MOST SOLID CANDIDATES TO GO FORWARD WITH? ONE MINUTE HERE.

SO 18 WAS IN MY TOP FIVE, IF THAT WOULD BE A, YOU KNOW, SORT OF A SECOND 18.

AND I NEED A MINUTE ALSO.

SURE.

YOU CAN EVEN TAKE TWO OR THREE, BECAUSE I'M GONNA GO BACK AND LOOK AT MY MAYBES TOO.

IF THE COMMISSION DOES NOT MIND, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD NUMBER 18 AS A MAYBE.

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LIKE 18.

I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THAT.

LET'S, LET'S JUST TAKE LIKE FIVE MINUTES TO GO THROUGH AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYONE WE WANNA WANNA BRING FORWARD ANY MORE TIME.

SO I THINK IT WAS COMMISSIONER NOVA SUGGESTED WE ADD 18.

DOES ANYONE ELSE WANT TO ADD ANYONE? COMMISSIONER SHOTWELL? IS THERE ANYONE ELSE YOU WANTED TO ADD? WELL, I WAS JUST, I'VE BEEN DEBATING, UH, IF WE, UM, SHOULD ALSO LOOK AT AGE DIVERSITY TOO.

UM, 'CAUSE WE DO HAVE THAT DATA.

THERE ARE SOME WHO ARE JUST, YOU KNOW, RELATIVELY NEW TO THE WORKFORCE.

SOME WHO HAVE, WERE IN THE WORKFORCE FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

AND THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WE DO WANT TO CONSIDER.

I THINK WE'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF A, SOME, THE FIRST CANDIDATE I LOOKED AT WAS BORN IN 1997.

THAT'S PRETTY GOOD.

YEAH, THAT'S PRETTY YOUNG.

THAT, OKAY.

AND PART OF IT IS, I'M GOING, I DON'T HAVE THE YEAH.

DATA WITH MY, MY NUMBER.

SO I'M GOING BACK.

I DON'T HAVE IT EITHER.

SO I'M JUST KIND OF FLIPPING KIND OF FAST.

SO THEN THERE WAS SOMEBODY IN THE FORTIES, 59.

I HAVE, OH, THERE'S, UH, SOMEBODY I, WE HAVE ONE SELECTED JUST FOR F UH, THAT WAS BORN IN 46.

SO I THINK, I THINK WE'RE PRETTY

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DIVERSE THAT WAY TOO.

IS THERE AN I DO, BUT ONE QUESTION I THINK YOU HAD OR SOMEBODY MAY HAVE RAISED, IS THERE AN IDEAL NUMBER? NOT AN IDEAL NUMBER, BUT LIKE, DO WE WANT TO TRY TO, IS IT GOOD TO HAVE SIX THAT WE INTERVIEW OR SHOULD WE GO TO 10? I THINK, IS THERE SOMETHING WE COULD FOR I THINK WE, I HOWEVER MANY WE THINK COULD BE QUALIFIED AND COULD BE GOOD ADDITIONS TO THIS COMMISSION.

I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S COM THE VICE CHAIR INDICATED LAST TIME THEY WENT FAIRLY QUICKLY.

SO IT'S EVEN AT 10, A PEAK, 10 MINUTES EACH.

WE COULD GET THROUGH FIVE IN AN OR SIX IN AN HOUR.

IN AN HOUR.

FIVE IN AN HOUR.

'CAUSE YOU'LL HAVE A LITTLE SET UP AND YEAH.

UH, SO IF WE'VE GOT THREE HOURS SET ASIDE, WE WON'T NEED IT.

WE WON'T NEED THE SECOND MEETING MAYBE.

RIGHT? I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST IF WE WANTED TO GO THAT ROUTE, WE MIGHT, WE, I THINK WE EACH PROVIDED FIVE.

WE MIGHT GO DOWN TO THE NEXT THREE, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW.

I THOUGHT WE WERE CALLING OUT PEOPLE THAT WE HAD IDENTIFIED.

I COULD GIVE YOU MY LIST OF THEN IN OUR NO, NO, NO.

WE, WE WERE GOING INTO OUR ME MID-RANGE.

RIGHT.

OH, SO YOU, OH, YOU WANTED, MAYBE I MISSED THAT.

YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO GIVE YOU THE MID RANGE NAME, MID-RANGE THAT YOU, THAT YOU FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT MOVING FORWARD.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'M QUESTIONING.

IF IT'S WHAT I FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT OR IF, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, OR SHOULD WE ALL JUST GIVE OUR MID-RANGE AND THEN SEE IF THERE'S A CERTAIN, IF WE COALESCE AROUND ANY OF THOSE JUST LIKE WE DID FOR THE TOP.

THAT'S MY ONLY SUGGESTION.

MY THOUGHT IS, AND WHAT I'VE BEEN DOING IS I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT MY MID RANGE AND SEEING WHETHER THERE'S ANYBODY THAT I WANTED TO, TO ADD.

SO, WHICH I DID TOO.

AND IS THERE ANYBODY YOU WOULD LIKE, NO, I DON'T HAVE ANYONE ELSE TO ADD.

SO COMMISSIONER NOVA HAD SAID 18, WHICH WAS ON MY MID-RANGE LIST.

AND I WOULD BE AMENABLE TO ADDING ALSO CHAIR.

I HAVE THE AGES IF I WROTE THE AGES DOWN IF YOU NEED THEM.

NO, I THINK WE'RE GOOD.

YOU GOT, OKAY.

I DON'T WANNA BE AGEIST.

VICE CHAIR.

ANY, ANYONE YOU THINK WE SHOULD ADD? WELL, THE ONLY OTHER PERSON I HAD HAD ON MY TOP FIVE AND, AND I'M COMFORTABLE STAYING WITH MY TOP FIVE, BUT I'D HAD NUMBER THREE.

UM, BUT NO ONE ELSE INCLUDED THREE IN THERE.

THREE WAS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF MINE.

SO I, I DON'T FEEL STRONGLY ENOUGH.

BUT THAT IF WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE TOP FIVE, THAT INDIVIDUAL I, I THOUGHT HAD, UM, SOME SOLID COMMUNITY PUBLIC SERVICE INVOLVEMENT, UH, AND, UH, THOUGHTFULNESS.

I THOUGHT IN THE ANSWERS.

WELL, AND WE COULD ADD THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE FROM, THEY DO RESIDE IN THE FIRST DISTRICT.

WHICH I THINK, DO YOU LIVE IN THE FIRST DISTRICT? COMMISSIONER NOVA? NO.

NO, WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE FROM THE FIRST DISTRICT.

SO WE COULD ADD THEM ON THAT BASIS ALSO.

ARE YOU OKAY IF WE ADD NUMBER THREE? THAT WOULD BE DISTRICT ONE.

IT IS A WHITE SENIOR CITIZEN MALE CHAIR THAT, UM, NUMBER THREE WAS NOT, WAS ON MY, MY FIRST GLANCE, YOU KNOW, FLY THIS.

BUT IF THE COMMISSION FEELS, THEN I'M SUPPORTIVE.

WELL, 'CAUSE THAT WAS ONLY TWO.

TWO.

HOW DO YOU, HOW DID YOU TWO BOTH SEE NUMBER THREE, NUMBER CANDIDATE NUMBER THREE, UHHUH, .

I, UH, HAD, I DIDN'T REALLY HAVE A NO FLY LIST, BUT, UH, THEY WERE IN THE BOTTOM TRANCHE.

BOTTOM FIVE.

SO THAT'S THREE IN THE BOTTOM.

ANYONE ELSE YOU WANTED TO ADD? NOPE.

NOPE.

MINE AND COMMISSIONER NOVE ALREADY ASKED ABOUT ADDING NUMBER 18.

SO THAT WOULD BE 7, 11, 12, 13, 16, 17, 18.

THAT'S SIX CANDIDATES.

CAN YOU SAY THAT AGAIN? SEVEN, 11.

12.

SEVEN.

SEVEN CANDIDATES.

7, 11, 12, 13, 16, 17, AND 18.

SEVEN.

SEVEN CANDIDATES.

OH YEAH, THAT'S GREAT FOR ONE.

TO YOU ABOUT BRINGING THE QUESTIONS WE USED LAST TIME.

SO THEN THE RECOMMENDATION WITH THIS MOTION IS THAT WE MOVE FORWARD CANDIDATES NUMBER 7, 11, 12, 13, 16, 17, AND 18 FOR INTERVIEWS.

UM, WE HAVE NOT TALKED ABOUT WHAT QUESTIONS WE WANT TO ASK THESE CANDIDATES.

DO WE WANT TO KEEP, HEATHER, DID YOU HAPPEN TO BRING, I FORGOT TO TALK

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YEAH, THEY'RE IN THE, THEY WERE THERE.

OH NO, BUT WE CAN PULL 'EM UP.

I THINK THEY WERE IN THE PACKAGE THAT WAS SENT TO US.

THEY WERE GOOD QUESTIONS.

YOU LIKE THOSE QUESTIONS? I THOUGHT THEY WERE VERY GOOD.

DO WE WANNA STAY WITH THOSE QUESTIONS? I THINK, YEAH.

WHAT PAGE IS THAT? I THINK THOSE QUESTIONS ARE IN THE AGENDA.

PACKAGE.

AREN'T THEY? THEY ARE.

OR MAYBE, I THINK THEY WERE INCLUDED AS A ATTACHMENT TO THE STAFF REPORT FROM THE PRIOR MEETING.

LAST MONTH'S MEETING.

NO, IT'S, I THINK'S RIGHT.

LAST MONTH'S MEETING.

WELL, HERE'S WHAT WE COULD DO.

NO, NOBODY HAD ANY CONCERNS.

HOW ABOUT IF IN THIS MOTION WE DELEGATE THE AUTHORITY TO THE VICE CHAIR STAFF AND I TO COME UP WITH THE QUESTIONS AND WE CAN DO LIKE WE DID LAST TIME AND HAVE THEM ON A SCREEN OR ON A PIECE OF PAPER IN FRONT OF THE CANDIDATES SO THAT NOBODY'S REALLY ASKING THEM, THEY CAN JUST READ THROUGH AND ANSWER THEM AS THEY WILL.

AND YOU HAD A QUESTION OR A COMMENT OFF? NO, I WAS JUST TO J T'S COMMENT.

I DO THINK THAT THEY WERE IN OUR PACKET.

YEAH, THEY'RE ON PAGE.

THEY'RE THE LAST PAGE.

PAGE, THE 27 OF ONE 20 IN THE AGENDA PACKET.

IT WAS 2020 ETHICS COMMISSION INTERVIEW QUESTIONS.

AND THERE WERE THREE QUESTIONS, RIGHT? WHAT, WHAT PAGE IS IT? UH, YOU SAID 27.

UH, THE, THE SECOND PACKET THAT, UH, I THINK IT UP, IT'S ON PAGE 27.

OH, YOU WANNA READ THEM ALL? UH, NUMBER ONE, WHAT SPECIFIC QUALITIES DO YOU HAVE THAT YOU FEEL WILL MAKE YOU A GOOD ETHICS COMMISSION MEMBER? NUMBER TWO, WHAT IS YOUR INTEREST IN BECOMING INVOLVED IN THE CITY'S ETHICS COMMISSION? AND NUMBER THREE, WHAT WOULD BE THE ONE ACCOMPLISHMENT THAT YOU MOST HOPE TO LOOK BACK UPON AT THE END OF YOUR SERVICE AS AN ETHICS COMMISSION MEMBER? ARE WE OKAY WITH THOSE THREE QUESTIONS? I CHAIR, ARE THESE THE QUESTIONS THAT, AGAIN, WERE USED IN 2020 MM-HMM.

? UM, I THINK IN FAIRNESS OF THE PROCESS, I THINK WE SHOULD JUST STAY WITH THE SAME QUESTIONS.

IS EVERYONE OKAY STAYING WITH THE SAME QUESTIONS? I AM.

I, I DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW IF IT'S FAIRNESS OR NOT, BUT I'M OKAY.

I THINK WE CAN ALWAYS FEEL TO EVOLVE.

BUT I'M, UH, I'M OKAY WITH THE QUESTIONS AND WE CAN ALWAYS ASK FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS.

COMMISSIONER WHITE, YOU OKAY WITH STAYING WITH THOSE QUESTIONS? YEAH.

THEN ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS ON THIS ITEM? DISCUSSION? COMM, VICE CHAIR? I JUST HAVE A QUESTION.

SO LAST TIME THE QUESTIONS WERE SENT OUT TO THE APPLICANTS WITH THE INVITATION TO INTERVIEW.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S THE WAY WE'D BE DOING IT AGAIN.

JUST CLARIFICATION.

AND, AND THEY'LL BE TOLD THE, UM, GO AHEAD.

THEY'LL THEY'LL BE TOLD WHAT THE PROCEDURE'S GONNA BE, ALSO MORE OR LESS RIGHT.

THE AMOUNT OF TIME AND ALL OF THAT.

AND THEY'LL GET THIS TOMORROW BECAUSE IT'S A WEEK FROM TODAY THAT THEY WOULD BE YES.

EXPECTED TO ATTEND.

SO WE WILL, THE STAFF WILL DO EVERYTHING THAT THEY CAN TO SCHEDULE THE SEVEN IN CANDIDATES FOR THE 15TH.

AND THEN IF THERE ARE REASONS WHY THEY'RE NOT AVAILABLE ON THE 15TH, WE WOULD HAVE A SECOND MEETING ON THE SIXTH.

BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY'S ILL, WE DON'T WANT TO EXCLUDE THEM OR IF THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE SOME OTHER ISSUES.

WILL YOU REMIND ME, SO WHEN WE SEND OUT THE INVITATION, ARE WE STAGGERING THESE OR EVERYBODY COMES AT FIVE O'CLOCK? WE STAGGER THEM.

THEY ARE GIVEN A SPECIFIC TIME, SO, OKAY.

THE FIR, WHOMEVER AND PROBABLY IT'S BEST TO CALL THEM AND YEAH.

SCHEDULE.

SO THE FIRST PERSON GETS TO PICK WHICH TIME THEY WANT.

AND WE'RE DOING 10 MINUTE SLOTS.

YES, COMMISSIONER, DEFENDANT.

DO WE WANT A BUFFER IN BETWEEN HOW MANY MINUTES? A FIVE MINUTE BUFFER IN BETWEEN.

UM, I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT, UM, I THOUGHT IT WAS EXTREMELY, UH, HELPFUL.

I RECALL SITTING WITH, UH, THE OTHER, UH, APPLICANTS DOING THIS.

UM, THE QUESTIONS WERE VERY GOOD.

UH, I THINK EMPHASIZING THE TIME LIMIT, 'CAUSE I SPENT A BIT, A BIT OF TIME ON THAT TO MAKE USE OF THE TIME.

I THINK THAT SHOULD BE EMPHASIZED.

UH, 'CAUSE IT IS MORE OF, UM, A PUSH, NOT A PULL, UH, IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY WILL BE DOING WITH US.

'CAUSE UH, THOSE QUESTIONS ARE VERY BROAD.

UH, THE LAST COMMENT I HAVE IS, UH, SPECIAL THANKS TO STAFF HEATHER, UH, HAVING THE ETHICS OFFICER SHOW UP AT YOUR DOORSTEP WITH THIS PACKAGE TO MAKE THIS ALL HAPPEN IN A TIMELY MANNER.

VERY, IT'S APPRECIATED.

I WANT TO ECHO THAT.

SO, THANK YOU JT FOR COMING LATER.

THAT WAS EXTREMELY HELPFUL.

YEP.

A NICE SURPRISE STAFF AND SAID, DON'T COME TO MY HOUSE.

I'M IN NEW YORK.

COME ON MONDAY.

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UM, AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY KNOW ALSO THAT IT WILL BE A PUBLIC MEETING, THAT IT'S NOT CLOSED, SO ANYONE CAN BE IN THERE.

NO OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? IS THERE ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC THAT WE SHOULD JUST SPEAK? THERE'S NO ZOOM ON THIS, RIGHT, JAY? OKAY.

SO SEEING NO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, CAN WE HAVE THE, THERE WE GO.

MOTION CARRIES.

WE HEARD AND JUST HEAR FROM YOU ON WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THE ORDINANCE AS WE GO FORWARD.

CAN I HAVE A MOTION ON THE RECOMMENDATION TO DISCUSS A REPORT ON PUBLIC INPUT RECEIVED REGARDING THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE LOBBYIST ORDINANCE AND PROVIDE DIRECTION TO THE AD HOC COMMITTEE FOR THE NEXT STEPS? I NEED A SECOND.

IT'S BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER WEISS AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICTUS.

SO THE LAST MEETING WE HAD WAS ON THE 23RD.

IT WAS THE PUBLIC MEETING WHERE WE RECEIVED SOME COMMENTS AND INPUT, UM, BEFORE THE AD HOC GOES BACK AND STARTS MASSAGING WHAT IT IS WE'RE GOING TO BRING FORWARD FOR YOU TO CONSIDER TO SEND FORWARD TO THE MAYOR AND THE CITY COUNCIL.

I JUST WANTED TO GIVE EVERYONE A CHANCE, HAVING HAD SOME TIME TO DIGEST THE COMMENTS THAT

[3. 23-25092 Recommendation to discuss a report on public input received regarding the proposed changes to the lobbyist ordinance and provide direction to the Ad Hoc Committee for next steps. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]

SO WHOMEVER WOULD LIKE TO START? COMMISSIONER BENEDICTUS? I'LL BE BRIEF.

UH, I THINK, UH, I, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT, UM, TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE, UH, THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE NON NONPROFITS.

HOWEVER, I, YOU KNOW, IN THE BACK OF MY MIND, AND, UH, LOOKING BACK IN MY OWN CAREER, NONPROFITS CAN BE AS SMALL AS ONE AND AS POWERFUL AS A MILLION.

UM, I, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE SEEK A THRESHOLD THAT KIND OF CONTEMPLATES WHO, WHO WE HEARD FROM HERE IN THE CITY.

YOU KNOW, THE TOP, YOU KNOW, THERE'S MANY NONPROFITS, BUT A THRESHOLD THAT IS MANAGEABLE.

UM, AND THAT GETS TO THE, GETS TO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, UM, LETTING THEM KNOW THAT WE'RE ALSO HEARING THEM.

UH, BUT OUR CONCERNS ABOUT INFLUENCE, UH, STILL STAND.

UM, AND WHETHER THE THRESHOLD EXISTS OR NOT, WE CAN STILL HAVE PROBLEMS. UH, THAT'S, UH, NO, I THINK THE WILL ALWAYS BE, UH, MY SECOND, UH, POINT, WHICH IS MORE IMPORTANT TO ME, IS I THINK IT'S THE, THE CALENDARS NEED TO BE VISIBLE.

I THINK A DISCLOSURE BY, UH, PUBLIC OFFICIALS, UM, COMMISSIONERS, ELECTED, HOWEVER, THE, THE CH THE AD HOC DECIDES, UH, THEY'VE BEEN COMPILING THE INFORMATION, BUT TRANSPARENCY ON BOTH SIDES.

UM, IT GIVES US INFORMATION TO RECONCILE.

UM, AND IT BUILDS TRUST, UH, KNOWING THAT, UH, THE INFORMATION SHOULD MATCH.

AND, UH, I DON'T THINK IT IS TOO MUCH TO ASK OF ANYBODY TO, UH, SHARE AND BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT THEIR, THEIR COMMUNICATIONS AND THEIR SCHEDULES.

UM, AND I THINK WE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF EXPERIENCE IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, AND WE WERE DISAPPOINTED BY SOME RESPONSES.

SO, UM, SETTING THAT EXPECTATION, I THINK IS A GOOD ONE.

THANKS.

YEAH, I WAS, UM, I ECHO COMMISSIONER DAVE BENEDICTUS IN THE, THE LAST POINT.

THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT KIND OF WHAT'S FAIR AND KIND OF WHERE THE BURDEN SHOULD BE.

AND I'M VERY SENSITIVE TO THE BURDEN ON SMALLER ENTITIES.

AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR THOSE THAT, FOR IT TO BE UNDERSTOOD, EVEN THE SMALLER ENTITIES WHEN THEY HAVE INFLUENCE.

UM, I BELIEVE I'M COMFORTABLE WITH KIND OF EXCLUDING, UH, BUT LOOK FOR RECOMMENDATION FROM THE AD HOC.

UH, DO WE ACTUALLY EXCLUDE THE SANCTIONED NEIGHBORHOOD AND SANCTIONED BUSINESS ASSOCIATIONS? UH, BUT MY BIGGEST POINT IS I REALLY THINK THE BURDEN HERE SHOULD BE PLACED ON THE ELECTED AND APPOINTED OR HIGH LEVEL CITY OFFICIALS AS OPPOSED TO THE INDIVIDUALS MAKING THE COMMENT OR HAVING THE DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM.

UM, OTHERWISE I THINK IT'S JUST GONNA BE VERY HARD TO DRAW THE LINE.

THAT'S TRULY FAIR.

UM, I DON'T NECESSARILY COME FROM THE POSITION THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME EXTREMELY

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WEALTHY INDIVIDUAL, YOU KNOW, SHOULD BE TREATED DIFFERENTLY THAN SOMEBODY WHO IS NOT.

I TOTALLY GET THE ARGUMENTS, BUT I ALSO TRY TO LOOK AT, UH, THAT EVERYONE'S EQUAL.

UM, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SOLICIT SOME INPUT BECAUSE MOST OF THE PEOPLE, UM, DID NOT DIRECTLY ADDRESS ADVOCACY FOR COMPANIES AND NON NON-PROFITS.

SO THE CONCEPT OF ADVOCACY IS DIFFERENT FROM LOBBYING AND WOULD BE IF INCORPORATED INTO THE ORDINANCE, APPLICABLE TO ANYONE REQUIRED TO REGISTER.

UM, AND WOULD CAPTURE INFLUENCE ON THE POLICY LEVEL WHERE SOMETHING IS NOT YET ON THE AGENDA FOR THE CITY COUNCIL OR NOT YET ON THE AGENDA FOR A PARTICULAR CITY DEPARTMENT.

UM, AND, UH, IS THERE SUPPORT FOR ADDING THE CONCEPT OF ADVOCACY INTO THE ORDINANCE? OR PROPOSING TO ADD THE CONCEPT OF ADVOCACY INTO THE ORDINANCE, EVEN IF WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT NONPROFITS? I, I JUST, I APPRECIATE THE QUESTION.

I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE.

UM, I STRUGGLE ONLY FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT I AM USED TO IN TERMS OF GOVERNMENTAL AGENCIES.

IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN, UM, ADVOCACY OR LOBBYING ON A AGENDA TOPIC OR SOMETHING THAT, NOT EVEN THAT IT'S LOBBYING ON SOMETHING THAT IS A FORMAL PART OF THE RECORD OF THAT PARTICULAR ENTITY OR, UH, UH, OR GOVERNMENTAL BODY AS OPPOSED TO GENERAL ADVOCACY WHERE YOU COULD TALK WITH THOSE PUBLIC OFFICIALS OR POLICY MAKERS BEFORE SOMETHING IS OFFICIAL.

MY SENSE IS THAT WE SHOULD REALLY KIND OF UNDERSTAND AND LEARN FROM PEOPLE THAT ARE ENTITIES THAT HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE.

UM, AND WE MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER NOT GOING ALL THE WAY TO, YOU KNOW, MATTERS THAT JUST ARE NOT FORMALLY BEFORE THE COMMITTEE, BEFORE THE CITY IN ANY WAY.

NOW, THAT DOESN'T MEAN ON A CITY COUNCIL AGENDA, IT COULD BE THAT HIS A A APPLICATION HAS BEEN FILED.

AND ONCE THE APPLICATION HAS BEEN FILED, THEN THAT'S WHEN THE CLOCK STARTS.

COMMISSIONER NORWAY, DO YOU HAVE ANY INPUT FOR US? UM, CHAIR, THANK YOU.

I DO HAVE A QUESTION, UH, REGARDING THE ATTACHMENT OR THE PUBLIC COMMENTS WE RECEIVED EARLIER.

UH, HEATHER IS THIS, UH, WHO PUT THIS TOGETHER, THIS TABLE TOGETHER? THAT'S THE MARCH 3RD COMMENTS THAT YOU'RE REFERRING.

THE ONE THAT YOU SENT US ABOUT AN HOUR AGO? YEAH, THAT'S FROM MARCH 3RD.

MARCH 3RD.

, UM, CHAIR I DON'T SEE ON ATTACHMENT A TO, UM, REGARDING THE ADV ADVOCACY ISSUE, OR IS THAT THE NON LOBBYING INFLUENCES? I'M SORRY, ON THE ATTACHMENT, A LOBBYIST ORDINANCE OVERVIEW.

TO THIS AGENDA.

THERE'S LOBBYING REPORTING CRITERIA, EXEMPTIONS TO LOBBYING, REPORTING AND NON LOBBYING INFLUENCES.

WHEN YOU SPEAK OF ADVOCACY, YOUR CONCERNS OF ADVOCACY, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT NON LOBBYING INFLUENCES? YES.

PAGE, ACTUALLY, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THIS AS WELL.

UM, I GUESS THIS FOR HEATHER.

SO ARE, IS THIS A SUMMARY OF THE ORAL COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE AT THE MEETING? CORRECT.

SO, UM, COMMISSIONER NOVE, YOU CLARIFIED

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THE SECTION.

DO YOU HAVE THOUGHTS ON THAT? NOT, NOT AT THIS TIME.

DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? WE SHOULD DO.

I, I'D LIKE TO BE MORE ELOQUENT, BUT I, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER SHOTWELL.

UM, WE, WE KNOW ADVOCACY WHEN WE SEE IT.

UM, I DO THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS, UM, ANY CALL TO ACTION OR REQUEST FOR ACTION.

UM, I JUST DON'T KNOW.

UH, I THINK IF WE CAN, IF THE AD HOC CAN FEEL, FIGURE OUT A WAY TO EMBRACE THE CONCEPT OF AD ADVOCACY IN THIS, UM, IT, I, I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE EXCLUDED.

ADVOCACY IS JUST TOO, TOO BIG OF AN AREA, BUT I DO LIKE WHAT YOU'RE, HOW YOU DESCRIBED IT, UM, IF IT ALIGNS WITH WHAT THEY'RE DOING, ET CETERA, THEIR SCOPE, THAT MAKES SENSE.

UH, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, BACK TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN, TRANSPARENCY AND ANY CALL TO ACTION OR TO, UH, TO TAKE ACTION NEEDS TO BE DISCLOSED.

IF, IF ANYBODY CAN GIVE EXAMPLES OF WHAT YOU, LIKE, YOU JUST USED THE WORDS CALL TO ACTION.

, IF YOU COULD GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT YOU THINK IS A CALL TO ACTION AS OPPOSED TO WHAT I'M JUST GONNA CALL EDUCATION OF THE PUBLIC OFFICIAL ABOUT WHATEVER IT IS THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.

I, I DON'T FIND EDUCATION TO BE PROBLEMATIC.

I, BUT IT IS, IT IS THE, UM, REQUEST TO TAKE ACTION, UM, UM, GIVING GUIDANCE ON NEXT STEPS.

UM, I I, I ALMOST WANNA GO BACK AND TAKE A LOOK AT OTHER EXAMPLES 'CAUSE I KNOW THEY EXIST, BUT I ALSO KNOW THE AD HOC HAS, HAS SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THIS.

UM, IT'S A GRAY AREA.

UM, BUT I, I, I DON'T FIND EDUCATION TO BE PROBLEMATIC.

UM, WHEN YOU THINK OF, UH, GOVERNMENT CODE EDUCATION IS AN OPEN AREA.

CAN I TRY TO DO AN EXAM? MM-HMM.

SO, UH, COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, UH, I GUESS ACTUALLY THE, THE CALENDARS WE WERE LOOKING AT WERE BACK IN 2019.

UM, SO IN THE 2018 TIMEFRAME, UM, THERE, THERE WAS A LOT OF ADVOCACY BY, UH, UH, INDUSTRY TRADE ASSOCIATIONS WHO ARE NON-PROFITS, BUT UNDER C FOUR, C FIVE, ET CETERA.

UM, ABOUT, UM, THE LEVEL OF TAXATION OF CANNABIS, UH, BUSINESSES, IT'S THE CULTIVATION BUSINESSES, THE RETAIL BUSINESSES, ET CETERA.

UM, EVENTUALLY THAT ISSUE MADE ITS WAY ONTO, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL AGENDA IN TERMS OF, UH, PROPOSING A CHANGE IN THE LEVEL, THE RATE OF TAXATION.

BUT FIRST THERE WAS AN, UH, A LARGE EDUCATION EFFORT OVER THE, ABOUT THE INDUSTRY, THE INDUSTRY COMPETITION, UM, AND THE COMPETITION OF OTHER CITIES WHO HAD LEGAL, WHO HAD LICENSED RECREATIONAL, UH, CANNABIS, UH, UH, RETAIL OPERATIONS.

OTHER CITIES WERE, UH, CHARGING DIFFERENT RATES.

SO YOU'VE GOT A LARGE EDUCATION EFFORT FOLLOWED BY THE ISSUE GETTING ONTO THE CITY COUNCIL AGENDA AND ACTUALLY WENT ONTO THE AGENDA ON NUMEROUS, NUMEROUS TIMES.

BUT IT, IT'S THE EDUCATION SLASH ADVOCACY THAT CAUSED ENOUGH PEOPLE TO BE THINKING ABOUT IT, TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA.

AND THAT, I DON'T KNOW THE FULL PERIOD OF TIME THAT THAT MAY HAVE TAKEN PLACE.

A FAIR NUMBER OF MEETINGS THAT WERE NOT THE SUBJECT OF REGISTRATION BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO BE AT THE TIME.

BUT INITIALLY IT WOULDN'T BE LOBBYING BECAUSE THERE'S NOT AN AGENDA ITEM.

IT'S AN EDUCATION EFFORT.

SO THEN IT WOULD OR WOULD NOT BE COVERED IF IT'S AT EDUCATION EFFORT.

RIGHT.

EVENTUALLY, THERE WAS A NUMBER OF REGISTRATIONS OF LOBBYISTS ON THE ISSUE WHEN IT WAS PUT ON THE AGENDA.

BUT IT WOULD APPEAR THAT THERE WERE A,

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UM, BUT BY THE, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION IS TO WHAT EXTENT ARE THOSE MEETINGS INFLUENTIAL SO THAT BY THE TIME IT GOES ON TO THE AGENDA, THERE'S BEEN A, UH, AN INFLUENCE ON THE THINKING PROCESSES THAT IT'S GOING ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE SOMEBODY THINKS WE NEED TO MAKE A CHANGE.

I STRUGGLE WITH THIS.

I AGREE.

MY CONCERN IS I WANT SOMETHING THAT'S IMPLEMENTABLE, UM, AND I DON'T WANNA SHUT DOWN.

SO THAT'S WHERE I WAS PROPOSING SOMETHING WHEN IT'S FORMALLY BEFORE THE CITY IN SOME WAY, AS OPPOSED TO SHUTTING DOWN PEOPLE, HAVING DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THINGS THAT THEY THINK ARE REALLY GOOD IDEAS.

I DON'T WANT TO SQUELCH THAT.

UH, AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WILL BE, UH, MAKING SUCH COMMENTS, UM, IN THE GROCERY STORE WHEN THEY RUN INTO SOMEBODY.

AND I DON'T WANNA CAPTURE THAT.

I COULD SEE CAPTURING IN THE GROCERY STORE, HEY, YOU NEED TO VOTE ON THIS YES.

ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.

BUT I DON'T WANT TO CAPTURE, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY DO NEED TO ADDRESS CLIMATE CHANGE IN THIS CITY AND IMPROVE THE CITY'S ADV UH, STANCE ON CLIMATE CHANGE.

I WOULD HAVE A HARD TIME WITH THAT AS MUCH AS I AGREE WITH IT.

YOU GOOD? I AM, I'M JUST ALSO, SORRY.

I'M ALSO, I WAS JUST LOOKING BACK AT THE, UM, UH, JUST IN TERMS OF LOBBYING, THE COASTAL COMMISSION WE LOOKED AT USES AN EX PARTE COMMUNICATION REPORTING THAT IS THE MEMBERS OF THE COASTAL COMMISSION.

WHEN AND WHEN THEY ARE CONTACTED AND HAVE A COMMUNICATION, THEY HAVE A DISCLOSURE OBLIGATION.

AND THEN WHEN AN ITEM COMES UP ON THE AGENDA, AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF, IF FOLKS HAD THOUGHT ABOUT THAT PROCESS AND IF THERE'S SUPPORT FOR INCORPORATING SOME PROCESS LIKE THAT.

AND I SEE AN HEAD NOD.

SO THAT WOULD BE TWO.

COMMISSIONER NOVEY, YOU LIKE THAT? UM, I'M SORRY, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? YEAH.

THE COASTAL COMMISSION HAS AN EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS POLICY SO THAT THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION IDENTIFY WHEN THEY HAVE BEEN CONTACTED ABOUT A MATTER WITHIN THE COASTAL COMMISSION JURISDICTION.

AND THEN ALSO, AGAIN, WHEN THE MATTER COMES UP.

SO THERE'S A DISCLOSURE OBLIGATION SHORTLY AFTER THE COMMUNICATION TOOT WITH THEM, AND IT'S THE COMMISSIONER'S OBLIGATION TO DISCLOSE AND THEN ANOTHER DISCLOSURE WHEN THE ISSUE IS ON THE AGENDA.

IT'S, IT, IT DOES, IT STILL SEEMS LIKE A BURDEN TO ME ON THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT WOULD BE THE ELECTEDS, NOT THE COMMUNITY.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ELECTEDS MAKING THE DISCLOSURE.

BUT YOU USE THE EXAMPLE OF THE COASTAL COMMISSION.

THE COMMISSIONERS MAKE THE ANNOUNCEMENT, NOT THE PERSON THAT CONTACTED THEM.

THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF LOGISTICAL ISSUES WITH THE CITY COUNCIL'S AGENDA.

I, I THINK THE WAY IT WORKS, IT WOULD BE LIKE IF SOMEONE CALLED US BEFORE ONE OF OUR MEETINGS AND SAID, THIS ISSUE ON THE AGENDA IS A BIG CONCERN TO ME.

IF YOU ARE ON THE COASTAL COMMISSION, YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD SAY THAT BEFORE THE MEETING YOU WOULD SAY, THESE 10 PEOPLE CALLED ME, OR THESE GROUPS CONTACTED ME ABOUT ITEM NUMBER FIVE.

DON'T WE ALREADY HAVE A SIMILAR PROCESS, UH, FOR COMMISSIONERS HERE, EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT WE DON'T MAKE THE ANNOUNCEMENT IN PUBLIC THIS COM THIS COMMISSION DOES NO OTHERS, NO OTHERS DO.

AND NEITHER DOES THE CITY COUNCIL.

I SEE.

AND THE COASTAL, THE COASTAL COMMISSION POLICY ACTUALLY REQUIRES THEM TO FILL OUT A REPORT ON THE COMMUNICATION SHORTLY AFTER IT OCCURS.

NOT WAIT TILL THE MEETING.

I WOULD, SO I SUPPORT THE IDEA.

'CAUSE AGAIN, I THINK THE BURN SHOULD BE ON THOSE ELECTEDS, UH, WHO ARE ACTUALLY SITTING ON THE COMMISSION.

IT ACTUALLY ALIGNS WITH THEIR OWN POLICY FOR THE ETHICS COMMISSION.

UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD NECESSARILY NEED TO BE ORAL 'CAUSE THAT COULD BOG DOWN THINGS, BUT THERE COULD BE PROCESSES WHERE IT IS, UH, EVIDENT, UH, WHO'S CONTACTED, WHAT'S BEEN CONTACTED BEFORE THE, AS PART OF THE COMMITTEE, AS PART OF THE MEETING PROCESS.

[01:10:03]

IF, IF THAT HAD TO BE DONE FOR EVERY ITEM.

UM, I BELIEVE JUST GIVEN THE, THE SIZE OF THE AGENDA AND THE LENGTH OF THOSE MEETINGS ALREADY, THAT SAID, I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA IF EVERYONE KNEW BEFORE VOTES WERE TAKEN, WHO WAS PUTTING, WHO WAS PUTTING THE, THE PRESSURE ON.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU, UM, HOW YOU, HOW YOU MANAGE THAT.

UH, BUT I DON'T THINK IT COULD BE AN ORAL REPORT JUST BECAUSE THE COM THOSE MEETINGS WOULD NEVER BE OVER, IS MY SENSE.

IS NOT SENSE.

AND, AND IT COULD BE, I MEAN, THEY HAVE TO FILL OUT A WRITTEN REPORT, SO IT COULD JUST BE PART OF THE FILE.

I'LL JUST SAY, I MEAN, WE HAVE THAT, WE HAVE THAT IN PLACE FOR US.

I LOOKED AT THAT TODAY.

NO ONE HAS, HAS FILED ANY REPORTS SINCE THE END OF MAY, I DON'T THINK FROM THIS COMMISSION.

UM, AND I'M NOT SURE IF THAT MEANS THERE HAVEN'T BEEN ANY, OR IF THERE HAS BEEN A, WHAT I'M GONNA CALL CHILLING EFFECT.

AND I, I'M, I'M PLAYING DEVIL'S ADVOCATE HERE IN SOME WAYS, TO THE IDEA OF, OF THIS REPORTING A CHILLING EFFECT THAT HAPPENS.

UM, I'LL JUST SAY BY US WHEN WE ARE APPROACHED, BECAUSE ONE RESPONSE IS, DON'T YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANNA TALK TO ME ABOUT THIS, COME TO THE MEETING OR CONTACT THE ETHICS OFFICER OR, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AS OPPOSED TO LISTENING TO WHAT THE PERSON HAS TO SAY.

AND THAT IS, THAT IS A, THAT'S A, UM, THAT IS SOMEWHAT OF A, OF A CON CONCERN, CONCERN TO ME.

SO I THINK WE HAVE TO KEEP THAT IN MIND TOO.

ANOTHER CATEGORY I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT, AND THIS IS BASED ON THE, UM, THE QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED IN THE SURVEY ABOUT WHAT TOPICS YOU CARE ABOUT THE MOST IS WHETHER THE REPORTING REQUIRED SHOULD BE REPORTING THAT RELATES TO THOSE SORTS OF TOPICS.

ANY OTHER OBSERVATIONS OR COMMENTS? UM, SEEING, NO, GO AHEAD.

SO THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, USE OF PROPERTY, UM, TAXATION THE CITY BUDGET.

I MEAN, THOSE WERE THE ONES THAT ROSE TO THE TOP.

NOW THE SURVEY WAS WHAT IT WAS.

IT WASN'T, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T COMPREHENSIVE.

IT WASN'T A REFERENDUM.

PEOPLE REPLIED THAT WERE INTERESTED IN REPLYING OR CARED ABOUT IT, AND THAT WAS ONLY, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE HUNDRED.

UM, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER WAY THAT WE COULD LOOK AT THIS.

THAT SAID, WE KNOW THAT THERE'S ALREADY THINGS IN PLACE THAT ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE THINGS.

LIKE THE PLANNING COMMISSION GETS INVOLVED WHEN, UM, PROPER, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF THE ZONING AND THE PERMITTING FOR SOMETHING.

THERE'S AN EIR PROCESS FOR BIG PROJECTS THAT HAVE TO HAVE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORTS.

AND THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE REQUIRED HEARINGS ABOUT THAT.

SO I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW WE, WE BALANCE ALL OF, WE, WE BALANCE ALL OF THIS BECAUSE WE, WE DON'T WANT OUR, WE DON'T WANT OUR CITY GOVERNMENT TO GET BOGGED DOWN IN FILING REPORTS.

I MEAN, THIS IS A CRITICISM MADE OF THE MEDICAL PROFESSION.

YOU KNOW, THEY'RE SO BUSY FILING, FILING, MAKING THEIR NOTES.

THEY DON'T HAVE TIME TO TAKE CARE OF THE PATIENTS.

AND YOU'LL HEAR IT FROM THE PATIENTS.

YOU'LL HEAR IT FROM THE DOCTORS.

SO WE HAVE TO GIVE OUR, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE LIMITED RESOURCES IN OUR COMMUNITY TO DEVOTE TO, TO, TO CITY GOVERNMENT.

SO HOW, HOW CAN WE DO THIS IN A WAY THAT IS THE, THE FAIREST AND THE MOST TRANSPARENT WITHOUT MAKING, WITHOUT SPENDING EVERYTHING WE'VE GOT ON, ON, ON DOING THIS.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE UNLIMITED RESOURCES AND, AND WE HEAR THAT WHEN, YOU KNOW, JUST WHEN WE WANNA SCHEDULE MORE MEETINGS FOR OUR WORK, THERE'S, THERE AREN'T THE RESOURCES TO DO IT.

UM, SO, SO THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT.

AND, AND THE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WHEN THIS COMES DOWN TO RECOMMENDING AN ORDINANCE OR A DECISION'S GONNA BE MADE ON ORDINANCE, THE PEOPLE DECIDING ARE GOING TO HAVE TO MEASURE ALL OF THOSE THINGS.

SO, SO FOR, IT BECOMES A QUESTION FOR ME IN SOME WAYS.

DO WE PUT FORTH THE, YOU KNOW, THE VERY BEST THING THERE COULD EVER BE KNOWING THAT THAT WILL NEVER, THAT'LL, THAT WILL NEVER BE ACCEPTED FOR VARIOUS REASONS? OR DO WE TRY TO DO THE BALANCING AND BALANCING HERE? AND ONE OF THE REASONS WE'VE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY SO MUCH, I THINK IS BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO BALANCE THE DIFFERENT INTERESTS BEFORE WE, UM, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THIS GROUP AND THEN TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

SO THOSE ARE MY OBSERVATIONS.

[01:15:03]

JUST ONE.

I WANNA COMMEND THE AD HOC, 'CAUSE THIS IS A VERY DIFFICULT ISSUE AND YOU'VE PUT A LOT OF EFFORT AND TIME INTO IT.

I DO APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THE AD HOC HAS DONE.

THANKS.

SEEING NO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT, CAN WE HAVE THE VOTE PLEASE? MOTION CARRIES.

FILE A MONTHLY UPDATE FROM THE ETHICS OFFICER? ANY, I NEED A SECOND.

CAN I HAVE A MOTION ON THE RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND

[4. 23-25093 Recommendation to receive and file a monthly update from the Ethics Officer. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]

IT'S BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICTUS, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER NOVE.

HEATHER.

THANKS, CHAIR.

UH, JUST A COUPLE THINGS.

UM, IN ADDITION TO ALL THE WORK WE'VE BEEN DOING AROUND THE APPLICATION PROCESS, UM, JORGE AND I ARE MAKING GREAT PROGRESS ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN PROCESS.

UH, WE'VE HAD A COUPLE MEETINGS NOW WITH MARCOLA CENTER FOR APPLIED ETHICS, SO JUST WAITING.

UM, WE REQUESTED, UM, SOME DIFFERENT PIECES OF INFORMATION.

UM, SO WE'RE JUST WAITING ON THAT INFORMATION, BUT, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE WE MAY BE MOVING FORWARD WITH THEM.

SO, UH, MORE TO COME ON THAT.

OUR HELPLINE, UH, THE ONLINE FORM WILL BE ACTIVATED, I'M TOLD, UH, BY FRIDAY THIS WEEK.

AND THEN PHONE ACCESS WILL START NEXT WEEK.

UH, SO THE ETHICS, UM, THE OFFICE OF ETHICS AND TRANSPARENCY, WE'LL HAVE OUR OWN HELPLINE AND ONLINE FORM.

AND OTHER THAN THAT, UM, OH, I WANTED TO JUST LET YOU KNOW, SO NEXT WEEK, NOVEMBER 15TH, OUR INTERVIEWS, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT HAVING THAT AT BJK LIBRARY.

UNFORTUNATELY, THEY CLOSE AT SIX AND DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO STAY OPEN LATER.

UH, SO PD HAS OPENED UP THEIR COMMUNITY ROOM TO US.

SO WE WILL MEET, UM, IN THE COMMUNITY ROOM STARTING AT FIVE O'CLOCK ON THE 15TH.

AND THAT'S, UM, RIGHT NEXT DOOR.

IT HAS ITS OWN ENTRANCE, BUT IT'S AT THE LOBBY LEVEL OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

SO YOU'LL STILL PARK IN THE STRUCTURE AND INSTEAD OF TAKING A LEFT, YOU'LL TAKE A RIGHT AND THEN A LEFT.

UM, OTHER THAN THAT, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

ADDRESS IS THE LONG BEACH POLICE DEPARTMENT HEADQUARTERS.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR HEATHER? NO.

JUST A REMINDER, HOW LONG SHOULD WE ALLOT FOR THAT EVENING? IT'LL BEGIN AT FIVE.

I'M, I'M GIVING US TWO AND A HALF TO THREE HOURS.

I DON'T THINK THAT WE'LL NEED IT WITH SEVEN INTERVIEWEES.

WE START AT FIVE 30.

FIVE AT 5:00 PM WE START AT FIVE.

WE AGREED TO FIVE O'CLOCK.

I DON'T KNOW WHY I PUT IT AT FIVE 30.

I'LL WEEK FROM TODAY.

SO FIVE O'CLOCK NEXT WEDNESDAY, TWO AND A HALF HOURS, WHICH WOULD BE UNTIL SEVEN 30 AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HEADQUARTERS.

400 WEST BROADWAY, AND THEN THEY'LL LEAD US TO WHERE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE, OR THEY'LL POINT US IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

IT'LL, YEAH, IT'LL BE PRETTY OBVIOUS WHEN YOU GET THERE, BUT YES.

IS IS THE PLAN FOR IT JUST TO BE THE INTERVIEWS THAT NIGHT AND DISCUSSION AT, AT A DIFFERENT MEETING OR? I THINK WE'LL MAKE THAT CALL WHEN WE GET THERE.

I MEAN, IF, IF WE GO THROUGH THE INTERVIEWS PRETTY QUICKLY AND WE HAVE THE TIME AND WE CAN GET THROUGH THE DISCUSSION.

, I'VE, WELL I'VE TALKED TO HEATHER AND ASKED SHE AND JORGE TO PUT TOGETHER AN EVALUATION SHEET FOR EACH OF US TO HAVE WITH EACH CANDIDATE COMES FORWARD, AND THAT WE WILL FILL THOSE OUT, RANKING THEM ON A SCALE OF ONE TO FIVE.

THEN THEY WILL TAKE THOSE BACK AND TABULATE THEM WHILE WE'RE DOING THE NEXT ONE.

AND WE CAN COME BACK AND THEY CAN LET US KNOW HOW EACH OF THE CANDIDATES RANKED, AND WE CAN KIND OF GO FROM THERE IN OUR DISCUSSION.

SO WE'LL HAVE THE TABULATION SO THAT WE'LL SEE IF WE'RE ALL RANKING EVERYONE ABOUT THE SAME OR, AND THEN WE'LL DISCUSS FROM THERE IF THAT PROCESS SOUNDS OKAY WITH EVERYONE.

IF WE CAN GET THROUGH IT ALL, GREAT.

IF NOT, THEN WE'VE GOT THE SIX SET ASIDE.

AND IT ALSO DEPENDS ON IF EVERYONE CAN MAKE THE INTERVIEW NEXT WEEK.

IF SOMEBODY CAN'T MAKE IT FOR WHATEVER REASON, THEN WE MOVE TO THE SIXTH, THEN WE'LL HAVE THE SECOND MEETING.

WHAT, WHAT'S THE DEADLINE FOR THE DECISION? THIS IS, WE HAVE TO HAVE THE PERSON, UH, APPOINTED BY DECEMBER 12TH.

DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE?

[01:20:02]

AM I REMEMBERING CORRECTLY, TAYLOR? BECAUSE IT'S 60 DAYS FROM WHEN COMMISSIONER FEEDLER RESIGNED AND HE RESIGNED AS OF OCTOBER 12TH.

SO THAT, I THINK WE JUST, THE MONDAY BEFORE DECEMBER 11TH IS THE DATE WE TOLD OURSELVES, WHICH IS A MONDAY.

BUT WE WOULD ANNOUNCE IT OBVIOUSLY DURING THE MEETING ON THE 13TH.

RIGHT NOW, THAT PERSON WON'T BE WITH US ON THE 13TH BECAUSE THEY'LL STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE, UH, FINGERPRINTING AND ALL OF THE OTHER PROCESS, THE ONBOARDING PROCESS.

SO I WOULDN'T EXPECT THEM TO BE WITH US UNTIL THE JANUARY MEETING.

BUT IDEALLY NEXT WEEK, WE, I MEAN, IN THEORY, THERE'S ENOUGH TIME FOR ALL THE INTERVIEWS AND, UH, PRETTY HARDY DISCUSSION.

AT THE END OF THAT, AS LONG AS EVERYONE CAN MAKE IT NEXT WEEK.

THAT'S THE CAVEAT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR HEATHER COMMENTS? MY, MY ONLY QUE I'M ALL FOR THE SCHEDULE.

UHHUH , BUT WHAT'S DRIVING THE 60 DAYS OF THE DEADLINE? WAS THAT SELF-IMPOSED? THAT'S IN THE ORDINANCE, SO, OKAY.

IT DIDN'T SEEM TO APPLY TO THE CITY OFFICIALS WHEN THEY WERE YEAH, SOMEBODY, WHOEVER, WHEN THE ORDINANCE WAS WRITTEN, THEY THOUGHT THAT 60 DAYS WOULD BE ADEQUATE.

UH, WE MIGHT BE TALKING LATER ABOUT WRITING A LETTER TO THE MAYOR AND ASKING FOR AT LEAST ANOTHER ADDITIONAL 30 DAYS.

ALTHOUGH WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO, IT LOOKS LIKE WE CAN DO IT IN THE 60 DAYS.

WE'LL BE HAVING SOME MORE DISCUSSIONS ON THAT DOWN THE ROAD THOUGH.

UM, SEEING NO QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC, CAN WE HAVE THE VOTE ON THIS MATTER PLEASE? MOTION CARRIES.

TO RECEIVE AND FILE A REPORT FROM THE AD HOC COMMITTEES? DISCUSS ANTICIPATED AD HOC COMMITTEES FOR UPCOMING PROJECTS AND APPROPRIATE TAKE ACTION TO DISSOLVE OR CREATE AD HOC COMMITTEES.

CAN I HAVE A MOTION ON THE RECOMMENDATION

[5. 23-25094 Recommendation to receive and file a report from the Ad Hoc Committees; discuss anticipated Ad Hoc Committees for upcoming projects; and, if appropriate, take action to dissolve or create Ad Hoc Committees. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]

I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICTUS AND ONE BY COMMISSIONER SHOT SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SHOTWELL.

SO THE FIRST THING WE WERE GONNA DO WAS SET UP THE AD HOC TO LOOK AT CAMPAIGN FINANCE REPORTS AND COMMISSIONER D BENEDICTUS AND I HAVE VOLUNTEERED TO BE ON THAT WORK GROUP.

WAS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTED TO JOIN US? WE COULD ADD ONE PERSON.

WHAT'S THE COMMITTEE? I'M SORRY.

THE ONE TO LOOK AT THE CAMPAIGN FINANCE REPORTS WHEN THEY START COMING IN, WHEN WILL THAT BE? THAT WILL START IN JANUARY.

JP JANUARY, UH, 31ST.

JANUARY 31ST.

WHAT'S THE CHAIR? WHAT'S THE TIME COMMITMENT? WE DON'T KNOW UNTIL WE ACTUALLY SEE THE, THE REPORTS.

WELL, WE KNOW THERE'S WHAT THERE'S, HOW MANY CANDIDATES ARE THERE? THERE'S LIKE EIGHT CANDIDATES.

SIX.

OH, IT'S CLOSE.

SIX CANDIDATES.

SO THERE'LL BE SIX REPORTS.

THEY DON'T KNOW THE LENGTH THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE.

SO WHAT CHAIR? WE WON'T, AND IT'S ONLY QUARTERLY THAT THE, THAT THEY GET FILED.

SO WE WON'T KNOW THE AMOUNT OF THE CANDIDATES UNTIL DECEMBER WHEN THE NOMINATION PERIOD CLOSES.

RIGHT.

UM, AND IT DOESN'T OPEN UNTIL MONDAY.

SO I THINK IT'S JUST SIX RIGHT NOW.

WHO FILED LIKE INTENTION TO CREATE AND IT COULD GROW OR COULD DIMINISH TO RUN.

AS WE GO THROUGH THE GENERAL.

SO WE CAN ALWAYS ADD A THIRD PERSON AS JANUARY COMES IN AND IT'S CLEAR HOW MUCH TIME IT'S GONNA BE.

I ONLY ASK BECAUSE I WOULD BE INTERESTED, BUT I ALSO DON'T WANT TO COMMIT MYSELF TO SOMETHING IF, IF THE AD HOC IS GONNA BE MEETING ON A WEEKLY BASIS.

NO.

SO THE, THE REPORTS ARE FILED, THEY'RE FILED ON A QUARTERLY BASIS, RIGHT? IS SEMI-ANNUAL.

SO, SO THEY'LL BE IN JANUARY AND THEN THEY'LL BE IN JULY AND THEN IN DECEMBER, OH, WE NEED A MICROPHONE.

SO, UM, DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF COMMITTEE, UM, IT'S, IT CAN RANGE FROM QUARTERLY TO SEMI-ANNUAL, UH, CANDIDATES WILL BE FILING, UH, ADDITIONAL THREE PRE-ELECTION FILING.

SO AS WE, YOU KNOW, GET THROUGH NOMINATION PERIOD, UM, UH, THEY WILL FILE, UM, A SET OF THREE AND THEN A, A SEMI-ANNUAL IN JANUARY.

AND THEN DEPENDING ON WHICH CANDIDATES PRO PROGRESS TO THE GENERAL FROM THE PRIMARY, THEY'LL DO THAT AGAIN.

THEY'LL FILE IN JULY AS WELL AS THREE PRE-ELECTION

[01:25:01]

AND ALSO, UH, WE CURRENTLY HAVE NINE UNOFFICIAL CANDIDATES.

SO YOU COULD JOIN US IN RESIGN IF IT, IF IT DIDN'T WORK WITH YOUR SCHEDULE.

THAT WAS A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION THAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT.

THAT YOU COULD REPLACE ME AT SOME POINT.

IF IT BECOMES TOO MUCH OF A COMMITMENT.

THEN IF, UH, COMMISSIONER WEISS, I THINK SHE, SHE ASKED THE QUESTION IF ABOUT THE TIME COMMITMENT, IF SHE'S INTERESTED.

UH, PLEASE, UM, OFFER THE SPACE TO HER FIRST.

I, I AM, I AM INTERESTED.

UM, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WORK ON THE LOBBYING SUBCOMMITTEE IS DONE, UM, THE WAY IT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

AND AFTER THAT AND A FEW OTHER THINGS, I'D BE HAPPY TO HELP OUT ON THIS SUBCOMMITTEE.

IF IT TURNS OUT THAT SOMEBODY DOESN'T WANNA CONTINUE WITH THE WORK BECAUSE IT'S TOO DEMANDING, THEN LET'S WAIT.

WE DON'T HAVE TO SET IT UP NOW.

AND LET'S SET IT UP IN JANUARY WHEN WE HAVE A, A CLEARER PICTURE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING.

BUT WE HAVE, WE HAVE A FEW POSSIBILITIES.

COOL.

UM, COMMISSIONER BENEDICTUS OR COMMISSIONER SHOTWELL? DOES YOUR WORK GROUP HAVE A REPORT? WHO ARE YOU POINTING AT? TAYLOR COUNSEL WAS GONNA IT'S ME.

THE HONORARY HAD A HOC MEMBER.

THERE'S FACES OVER THERE AND NONE OF THEM WERE SMILING.

I'M, I'M THE PROBLEM.

IT'S ME.

UM, SO WE, AND FOR THE RECORD, THIS IS, THIS IS WHICH AD HOC, THIS IS FOR THE AD HOC ON ETHICS POLICIES.

UM, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S THE FORMAL NAME, BUT THAT'S THE GIST OF IT.

SO, UM, I THINK THAT THIS PROCESS IS TURNING ABOUT OUT TO BE A LOT MORE ROBUST THAN WHAT WE ORIGINALLY ANTICIPATED IT WOULD BE.

UM, SO RIGHT NOW I'VE SENT A LOT OF EMAILS TO THE AD HOC MEMBERS ABOUT WHAT OTHER JURISDICTIONS ARE DOING SO THAT WE CAN TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, UM, IN LOOKING AT WRITING OUR OWN ORDINANCE FOR Y'ALL TO REDLINE.

UM, I THINK SOMETHING FOR THIS COMMISSION TO KEEP IN MIND AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH PROPOSING AD HOC POLICIES AS OPPOSED TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR WHO YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE LUXURY THAN WE DO AS THE GOVERNMENT.

OUR MINIMUM STANDARDS ARE STATE LAW AND SO WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT IN A THRESHOLD.

OBVIOUSLY STILL KEEPING IN MIND THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THESE POLICIES ACCESSIBLE.

UM, BUT SO WE'RE IN A LITTLE BIT OF A HOLDING PATTERN 'CAUSE WE HAD TO REGROUP AND RETHINK THE WAY THAT WE WERE GOING TO ATTACK DRAFTING AN ORDINANCE VERSUS A POLICY.

SO HOPING TO START PUMPING OUT POLICIES FOR YOUR RED LINE, UM, IN THE COMING MONTHS, LIKELY AFTER THE NEW YEAR.

UM, WE'RE GONNA BE MEETING, I THINK NEXT WEEK TO DISCUSS A PLAN, A PLAN TO A PLAN OF HOW WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD AS A GROUP, UM, WITH RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO ANY QUESTIONS FOR TAYLOR? SO TAYLOR, WHEN WE DO THIS ITEM NEXT MONTH, WE NEED TO REAUTHORIZE BOTH OF THE AD HOCS IF THEY HAVEN'T FINISHED THEIR WORK, RIGHT? YES.

AND JUST A REMINDER, OUR AD HOCS ARE SET FOR ONE YEAR AND WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO REAUTHORIZE THEM IF THE WORK IS NOT COMPLETE.

SEEING NO QUESTIONS FOR TAYLOR OR ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE AD HOC.

AND NO QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC BEING NO PUBLIC IS HERE.

CAN WE HAVE THE QUESTION PLEASE? MOTION CARRIES.

OTHER THAN WE'LL SEE EVERYONE NEXT WEDNESDAY

ARE THERE ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS

[ANNOUNCEMENTS]

[ADJOURNMENT]

AND MEETING'S ADJOURNED.

OH.

SEEING NO PUBLIC COMMENTS 'CAUSE THERE'S NO MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC.

EVERYBODY MEETING ADJOURNED? YEAH, MEETING'S ADJOURNED.

SO, UM, THE THREE OF US NEED TO GET TOGETHER AND PICK A DATE.

YEP.

THE AD.