* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:05:20] LOOK [00:05:20] AT MY SCRIPT. [CALL TO ORDER] I'D LIKE TO CALL THE MEETING OF THE CULTURAL HERITAGE COMMISSION TO ORDER TODAY ON NOVEMBER 28TH AT FIVE SOMETHING. 5 0 6. THANK YOU. CAN WE PLEASE HAVE THE ROLL CALL? MADAM CLERK, [ROLL CALL] COMMISSIONER BODAK PRESENT. COMMISSIONER GFI. HERE. COMMISSIONER HUNTER. COMMISSIONER PIZZA. PRESENT. PRESENT. VICE CHAIRMAN GU. PRESENT CHAIR IRVINE. PRESENT. THANK YOU. WE HAVE CORA, UM, COMMISSIONER GFE, COULD YOU PLEASE LEAD US IN THE, UH, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE] THANK YOU. PLEASE, DAN, PLACE YOUR HAND OVER YOUR HEART. READY BEGIN. I PLEDGE, PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UM, IT'S NOT TIME FOR THE SWEARING OF WITNESSES. PLEASE, IF YOU'RE GOING TO GET UP AND GIVE TESTIMONY, PLEASE STAND. THANK YOU. OKAY. RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR TO OR AFFIRM THAT THE EVIDENCE YOU SHALL GIVE IN THIS CULTURAL HERITAGE COMMISSION MEETING SHALL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? OKAY. THANK YOU. CAN WE HAVE [1. 23-40251 Recommendation to receive and file Director’s Report.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT PLEASE? WOULD YOU LIKE TO TAKE A MOTION AND SECOND FOR THIS ITEM, PLEASE? I'M SORRY. WOULD YOU LIKE TO TAKE A MOTION AS WELL AS A SECOND? OH, SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR A MOTION. OH, AND A SECOND. A MOTION, THE SECOND TO RECEIVE AND FILE. MM-HMM, . OKAY. AND WE'LL CONCLUDE THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT WITH THE VOTE, WHICH IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT FOR US. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR, FOR, FOR YOUR FLEXIBILITY ON THIS KIND OF NEW SETUP WE HAVE. OKAY. COMMISSIONER MCG GUAN HAS MADE A MOTION. SECOND, WHO'S WOULD LIKE TO SECOND THE MOTION MARK? COMMISSIONER GFI. THANK YOU. AND NOW WE CAN TAKE THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT. CAN I GO FORWARD? IT SAYS WAITING. WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DIRECTOR'S. I CAN GO FORWARD. OKAY. UM, IT HAS BEEN MOVED IN, SECONDED. UM, MAY WE HAVE THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT, PLEASE? YES. GOOD EVENING. UH, CHAIR, VICE CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS. UM, I'D LIKE TO START WITH THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT, UM, WITH EXPLAINING THAT THE CITY HAS RECENTLY MOVED TO A NEW CITY CLERKING SYSTEM. SO WE FORMALLY USED REGISTRAR AND NOW WE HAVE THIS, UM, ONE MEETING SYSTEM, AS YOU MAY HAVE SEEN ON OUR, UM, UH, VARIOUS AGENDAS AND SUCH. AND IT'S FOR THAT REASON THAT THERE'S A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT FORMAT ON THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT. SO IT'S A COUPLE OF CHANGES IN JUST HOW, HOW ADMINISTRATIVELY, UM, THE MEETING IS SET UP. UM, I ALSO WANTED TO SHARE, YOU MAY BE AWARE THAT THE CITY OF LONG BEACH HAS BEEN, UM, INVESTIGATING A POTENTIAL CYBERSECURITY INCIDENT AND OUT OF AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION, VARIOUS SYSTEMS HAVE BEEN ON AND OFFLINE OVER, UM, THE LAST, UH, COUPLE OF WEEKS. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE WITH US AS WE CONTINUE TO, UM, WORK ALL OF THAT OUT AND ENSURE THAT, UM, THE CITY'S, UM, IN A GOOD PLACE. UM, AND THEN FINALLY, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, I WANT TO, UM, WELCOME AND INTRODUCE A NEW COMMISSIONER WHO'S IN THE AUDIENCE THIS EVENING AND WILL BE JOINING US, UM, UP AT THE DAIS STARTING AT THE NEXT MEETING. UH, JOCELYN PRYOR, WHO'S HERE AND WAVING, UH, HAS BEEN APPOINTED, UM, UH, RECOMMENDED BY THE MAYOR AND APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL TO SERVE HERE ON THE CULTURAL HERITAGE COMMISSION. SO THRILLED TO HAVE HER, UH, JOINING US, UM, HERE SHORTLY. AND THEN FINALLY, UM, NEXT IN DECEMBER, THE MEETING, UM, FALLS ON THE DAY AFTER CHRISTMAS. SO WE WILL BE CANCELING, UH, THE DECEMBER MEETING DUE TO THAT SCHEDULING. SO WE WISH YOU ALL, UM, A HAPPY HOLIDAY SEASON AND LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU MORE IN THE NEW YEAR. AND THAT CONCLUDES THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT. THANK YOU SO MUCH AND WELCOME, JOCELYN. UM, UH, COMMISSIONERS. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? NO. SEEING [00:10:01] NONE. UM, WE'LL NOW TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT. ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, UH, PLEASE LINE UP IN FRONT OF THE MICROPHONE ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ITEM. NO, AND THERE'S NO ONE ONLINE ON ITEM. IF YOU'RE JOINING US VIRTUALLY AND WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE USE THE RAISE HAND FUNCTION AT THIS TIME. IF YOU'RE JOINED TELEPHONICALLY AND WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE PRESS STAR NINE AT THIS TIME. THERE, THERE APPEARS TO BE NO, NO FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, MADAM CLERK, CAN WE CALL FOR A ROLL? UH, VOTE PLEASE. MOTION CARRIES. OKAY, THANK YOU. CAN WE HAVE THE NEXT ITEM, PLEASE? [2. 23-40179 Recommendation to approve the minutes of the Culltural Heritage Commission meeting on Tuesday, September 26, 2023.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] ITEM NUMBER TWO IS RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE CULTURAL HERITAGE COMMISSION MEETING ON TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 26TH, 2023. OKAY. MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO, UM, A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE MINUTES PLEASE? COMMISSIONER BODAK HAS MOVED AND COMMISSIONER PIZZA HAS SECONDED. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS? NO. IS THERE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? ARE THERE ANY VIRTUAL COMMENTS? IF YOU ARE JOINING US VIRTUALLY AND WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE USE THE RAISE HAND FUNCTION AT THIS TIME. IF YOU ARE JOINED TELEPHONICALLY AND WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE PRESS STAR NINE AT THIS TIME. THERE APPEARS TO BE NO FURTHER COMMENT. THANK YOU, MADAM. CORRECT. MAY WE PLEASE HAVE THE VOTE? MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. UM, CAN WE PLEASE READ THE NEXT ITEM? THANK YOU. [3. 23-40358 Recommendation to recive and file a presentation on the City of Long Beach’s Ethics Program.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] ITEM THREE IS RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE A PRESENTATION ON THE CITY OF LONG BEACH'S ETHICS PROGRAM. UM, DO WE NEED, OKAY, CAN WE PLEASE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND? I CAN TAKE A VERBAL MOTION AS WELL AS A SECOND IF OKAY. IS IT NOT GOING THROUGH? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, RECEIVE AND FILE A PRESENTATION ON THE CITY OF LONG BEACH'S ETHICS PROGRAM. OKAY, THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER BOWICK. OKAY. AND COMMISSIONER PIZO. UM, SECONDED. IS THERE ANY, IS THERE ANY COMMENT FROM THE COMMISSIONERS ON THIS ITEM? AND SEEING NONE. ARE THERE ANY VIRTUAL COMMENTS? SORRY, CHAIR IRVINE. THERE IS A PRESENTATION ON THIS ITEM. OH, BEFORE WE DO? OKAY. YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU CHAIR. SO, CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS, I'D LIKE TO, UM, INTRODUCE THE CITY'S ETHICS OFFICER, HEATHER VAN WICK, WHO WILL BE PROVIDING THIS, UM, PRESENTATION AND UPDATE. UH, SHE'S BEEN DOING A TOUR WITH THE VARIOUS, UH, COMMISSIONS HERE IN OUR CITY, AND, UH, IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT TOPIC, SO, UH, LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM HER. THANKS, ALLISON. THANK YOU, CHAIR COMMISSIONERS. UH, SO LIKE ALLISON SAID, I'M JUST GONNA GIVE YOU A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF OUR ETHICS PROGRAM. UM, MY NAME IS HEATHER VAN WICK. I AM HOUSED IN THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND AM PART OF THE NEWLY FORMED, UM, OFFICE OF ETHICS AND TRANSPARENCY. SO, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND OF HOW I GOT HERE. UH, BACK IN NOVEMBER OF 2018, UH, [00:15:01] LONG BEACH VOTERS APPROVED MEASURE CCC, WHICH ESTABLISHED OUR ETHICS COMMISSION. UH, THIS IS A RECOMMENDING BODY, WHICH MEANS THERE, UH, THE COMMISSION DOES NOT HAVE INVESTIGATORY OR ENFORCEMENT AUTHORITY. UH, SO WE, UH, REALLY PRIORITIZE OUR EDUCATION PROGRAM AND, UM, MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS AROUND DIFFERENT, UH, TOPICS SUCH AS CAMPAIGN FINANCE, LOBBYING CONFLICTS OF INTEREST, AND GOVERNMENTAL ETHICS. ALSO, IN AUGUST OF 2020, UH, THE CITY AUDITOR RELEASED, UH, TWO PRETTY LARGE REPORTS THAT, UM, CENTRALIZED ETHICS. AND ONE OF THOSE WAS, UH, THE EMPLOYEE ETHICS SURVEY, WHICH TOLD US THAT, UM, CITY EMPLOYEES REALLY WANTED A CLEAR DEFINITION OF ETHICS. UH, WE WANTED AN ACCESSIBLE, COMPREHENSIVE LOCATION TO FIND WRITTEN ETHICS POLICIES AND PROCEDURES, ADVICE AND INFORMATION AVAILABLE ON CITY RELATED ISSUES, AND ARE REQUIRED IN REGULAR ETHICS TRAINING FOR EVERYONE, NOT JUST ELECTED OR APPOINTED OFFICIALS. UH, THAT SAME YEAR, UH, THE AUDITOR ALSO RELEASED THE PROGRAM PERFORMANCE AUDIT, UH, WHICH HAS BEEN HELPFUL AS WE'VE BUILT OUT THIS PROGRAM. AND THEN IN DECEMBER OF 2021, WE WERE LUCKY ENOUGH TO HAVE, UM, A GROUP OF USC STUDENTS COME IN AND DO THEIR CAPSTONE PROJECT, WHICH, UH, REALLY HELPED, OR THEY ACTUALLY BUILT OUT THE FRAMEWORK OF WHAT HAS BECOME OUR EDUCATION PROGRAM. THIS IS OUR ETHICS COMMISSION. TWO OF OUR COMMISSIONERS ARE APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR, TWO ARE APPOINTED BY THE AUDITOR, AND THEN THE OTHER THREE ARE APPOINTED BY THOSE FOUR, UH, COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS THE CITY TEAM THAT SUPPORTS THE ETHICS PROGRAM. UM, JORGE EZZ IS THE OTHER FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE THAT SUPPORTS THE PROGRAM. TAYLOR ANDERSON IS OUR DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY. JT NAAMA IS OUR CLERK ANALYST. AND THEN, EXCUSE ME, APRIL WALKER IS THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER THAT OVERSEES THE PROGRAM. SO REALLY WHY I'M HERE TONIGHT IS TO INTRODUCE YOU TO OUR CODE OF CONDUCT AND ETHICS TRAINING, WHICH LAUNCHED, LAUNCHED IN JUNE OF 2023. HOPEFULLY BY NOW EVERYONE IS FAMILIAR WITH THIS CODE OF CONDUCT AND ETHICS TRAINING. THIS IS REQUIRED FOR ALL OF US, INCLUDING, UM, COMMISSIONERS. JUST, UH, BRIEF BACKGROUND ON THIS. UM, LAST YEAR, THE COMMISSION, UH, RECOMMENDED AN UPDATED CODE OF CONDUCT, WHICH THE COUNCIL APPROVED, AND THAT WAS OFFICIALLY CODIFIED IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR. AGAIN, PART OF THIS CODIFICATION REQUIRES AN ANNUAL TRAINING COMPONENT. UH, THIS TRAINING LIVES AND LEARN, WHICH IS OUR LEARNING MANAGEMENT SYSTEM. SO BY NOW, EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE BEEN INVITED TO CREATE ACCOUNTS, AND HOPEFULLY YOU'VE TAKEN THIS TRAINING. UM, IF NOT, IF THIS DOESN'T SOUND, UM, FAMILIAR TO YOU, PLEASE WORK WITH ALEJANDRO AND WE WILL GET YOU, UH, CONNECTED ON TO LEARN OUR TRAINING CURRICULUM. UM, WE REALLY LEAD WITH OUR VALUES, UH, WITH THE HOPE AND EXPECTATION THAT COMPLIANCE WILL ORGANICALLY FOLLOW. OF COURSE, WE'RE ALWAYS WORKING IN PARTNERSHIP WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY AND CLERK. AND AS THE CODE OF CONDUCT, UM, HAS TAKEN ON A LIFE OF ITS OWN, WE CONTINUED TO BUILD OUT DIFFERENT TRAININGS AND SUPPLEMENTAL MATERIALS, UH, FOR ALL OF US. JUST A REMINDER, IN MARCH OF THIS YEAR, UM, IN AN EFFORT LED BY MAYOR RICHARDSON, UH, THE CITY CLERK WAS REQUESTED TO DEVELOP A NEW TRAINING MODULE FOR COUNCIL APPOINTED MEMBERS OF CITY BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. THIS INCLUDES YOU AND PART OF THIS MODULE, IT WILL BE REQUIRED FOR ALL COMMISSIONERS. UH, THIS LEARNING PLAN INCLUDES THE CODE OF CONDUCT, WHICH I JUST, UM, SPOKE ABOUT. THERE'S TRAINING ON OUR EQUITY TOOLKIT, AND WE'LL ALSO HAVE A TRAINING ON THE 2030 STRATEGIC VISION, UH, THAT IS STILL ACTIVELY BEING WORKED ON, UH, WITH THE HOPES OF LAUNCHING ALL OF THAT VERY SOON. UM, WE ALSO LAUNCHED OUR ETHICS HELPLINE IN JUNE OF THIS YEAR. UM, IT WAS IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY AUDITOR'S OFFICE. JUST THIS WEEK, UM, WE'VE HAD TO SWITCH, UH, TO OUR OWN HELPLINE. UM, SO I WILL BE UPDATING ALL OF THIS INFORMATION, UM, BUT IT WILL BE A, A PHONE NUMBER SPECIFIC TO THE ETHICS HELPLINE, BUT WE ALSO HAVE AN ONLINE PORTAL. UM, AND THIS ONLINE PORTAL CAN BE USED TO, OF COURSE, REPORT DIFFERENT ETHICAL ISSUES AROUND THINGS LIKE CONFLICTS OF INTEREST, VIOLATIONS OF THE BROWN ACT, UH, DISCRIMINATION AND RETALIATION. BUT IT'S ALSO REALLY A SPACE, UM, THAT WE WANT PEOPLE TO FEEL COMFORTABLE IN ASKING AND BRINGING CONCERNS, DIFFERENT CONCERNS THAT YOU MAY NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE BRINGING UP, UM, TO YOUR SUPERVISOR OR OR OTHER LEADERSHIP. THIS, UM, THAT THE ONLINE FORM CREATES A SAFE SPACE, [00:20:01] UH, TO BRING UP CONCERNS. OTHER BENEFITS OF THE HELPLINE, ANYONE CAN USE THE HELPLINE. THIS IS PUBLIC FACING. IT'S AVAILABLE 24 HOURS A DAY. AGAIN, YOU CAN REMAIN ANONYMOUS IF YOU CHOOSE TO. AND THE ONLINE FORM IS, UM, ACCESSIBLE AND PR FAIRLY EASY TO USE, IN MY OPINION, AND CAN BE USED, UM, ON YOUR MOBILE AS WELL AS THE COMPUTER. THESE ARE THE DIFFERENT RESOURCES THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE AVAILABLE. UM, WE'VE UPDATED OUR WEBPAGE, UM, OUR HELPLINE THAT WE'VE GONE OVER, DISCLOSURE REPORTS AND ETHICS PORTAL. SO THE CITY CLERK HAS SOME REALLY USEFUL INFORMATION ON THEIR WEBSITE THAT, UM, CENTRALIZES STATE RESOURCES. SO IF YOU EVER HAVE QUESTIONS, FOR EXAMPLE, ABOUT FPPC RULES, UM, THE CLERK CAN, THAT WEBPAGE CAN GET YOU TO WHERE YOU NEED TO GO. AND THEN THE HOTLINE WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT, AND THIS IS MY DIRECT CONTACT INFORMATION, UH, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THERE ARE TWO EMAIL ADDRESSES. BOTH OF THOSE EMAIL ADDRESSES DO COME DIRECTLY TO ME. SO IF YOU'RE EVER OUT IN PUBLIC AND SOMEONE SAYS, HEY, WHO SHOULD I ASK ABOUT THIS? UM, ETHICS@LONGBEACH.GOV IS PRETTY EASY TO REMEMBER. AND AGAIN, THAT WILL COME DIRECTLY TO ME. AND WITH THAT, I'LL WRAP UP AND TAKE ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY. THANK YOU, HEATHER. COMMISSIONERS. ANY QUESTIONS? NO, WE CAN TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT. ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, ARE THERE ANY VIRTUAL PEOPLE WISHING TO SPEAK? IF YOU'RE JOINING US VIRTUALLY AND WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE USE THE RAISE HAND FUNCTION AT THIS TIME. IF YOU'RE JOINING TELEPHONICALLY AND WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE PRESS STAR NINE AT THIS TIME. THERE APPEARS TO BE NO, NO FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MADAM CLERK, MAY WE PLEASE HAVE A VOTE? OKAY, COMMISSIONER ICK. OKAY, THAT'LL GET YOU BACK. MOTION CARRIES. OKAY, THANK YOU. CAN WE PLEASE HAVE THE NEXT ITEM? THANK YOU. OH, [4. 23-40459 Recommendation to approve a Certificate of Appropriateness and adopt the proposed findings and conditions of approval thereto, to allow the demolition of a 312 square-foot deck to construct a 575 square-foot addition to the rear of a one-story single-family dwelling. 660 Mira Mar Avenue within the Belmont Heights Historic District and in the Single-Family Residential District with Standard Lots (R-1-N) Zoning District. It is a Contributor to the Belmont Heights Historic District. (District 3)       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] I NEED TO HAVE A MOTION. ITEM FOUR IS RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND ADOPT THE PROPOSED FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THERETO TO ALLOW THE DEMOLITION OF A 312 SQUARE FOOT DECK TO CONSTRUCT A 575 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION TO THE REAR OF A ONE STORY SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING SIX 60 MIRAMAR AVENUE WITHIN THE BELMONT HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT IN THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT WITH STANDARD LOTS ZONING DISTRICT, IT IS A CONTRIBUTOR TO THE BELMONT HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT, DISTRICT THREE. OKAY. UM, COMMISSIONER MAGU HAS MOVED. I'D LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION. I THINK THEY DO THE REPORT FIRST. NO, I KNOW. I WANNA ASK ABOUT, OH, CAN I ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION? THE MOTION COMES UP FIRST, BUT IF WE WANT TO MODIFY THE MOTION, HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN? WHEN WE'VE MADE THE MOTION FOR THE DISCUSSION PURPOSES, WE WILL HAVE THE BENEFIT OF, UH, FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS AND SUBSTITUTE MOTIONS. SO WE WILL HAVE A, A FUN ROBERT'S RULE OF ORDER JOURNEY TOGETHER. SO THIS IS A, A QUIRK OF THE TECHNOLOGY THAT THE MOTIONS COME UP BEFORE WE'VE HEARD ANYTHING. YES. AND, AND PART OF ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER IS THAT YOU HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND BEFORE THERE IS DISCUSSION. SO IT'S, IT'S ALSO TRYING TO KIND OF LIVE WITHIN THE SPIRIT OF ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER SO THAT OUR FOLKS THAT ARE PARTICIPATING THROUGH PUBLIC COMMENT KNOW WHAT IS BEFORE THEM. AH, AND A DISCUSSION INCLUDES A STAFF PRESENTATION ALSO. SO IN THE PAST WE'VE TAKEN STAFF PRESENTATION AND THEN THE THEN MOTION. RIGHT. UM, BUT I THINK IT'S, IT'S CLEARER. WE'RE BE WE'RE BEING ASKED TO ADJUST TO THE SYSTEM AND TO USE KIND OF FRIENDLIES AND SUBSTITUTE MOTIONS. GOT IT. TO, TO KIND OF TEASE OUT ANY CHANGES TO THAT, UM, INITIAL MOTION. OKAY. UM, SO I AM ASSU I WAS ASSUMING THAT [00:25:01] AFTER THERE IS PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE'VE TAKEN IT BACK BEHIND THE, UM, BEHIND THE RAIL, THEN THAT WOULD BE WHEN WE WOULD MAKE ANY KIND OF SUBSTITUTE OR AT THAT POINT. MM-HMM. , THAT'D BE INAPPROPRIATE TIME. MAY WE HAVE A SECOND? UM, I WAS JUST CURIOUS. I'D ALWAYS UNDERSTOOD THAT THE MOTION WAS MADE THEN THERE WOULD BE OPEN FOR DISCUSSION WITH ROBERT'S RULES. THIS IS ACTUALLY APPROVING THE RECOMMENDATION BEFORE WE'VE EVEN HEARD THE PRESENTATION. SO IT SEEMS A LITTLE TO THE POINT THAT AMY MADE. I FEEL LIKE WE'RE SORT OF BACKWARDS, SO THAT'S HELPFUL FEEDBACK FOR US TO HEAR. UM, SO THE MOTION IS THE, THE APPROVAL. SO I GUESS IF SOMEONE WANTED TO MAKE A DIFFERENT MOTION GOING IN THAT WOULD, WE COULD VERBALLY TAKE THAT AND MAKE AN ALTERATION TO THE MOTION. UM, BUT I, I HEAR WHAT AMY'S SAYING, UM, BUT HOW CAN WE MAKE A MOTION OF SOMETHING WE DON'T KNOW THE FULL STORY ABOUT? WELL, YOU'VE HAD THE BENEFIT OF YOUR AGENDA PACKET. OKAY. AND I'M SURE YOU REVIEWED THE ITEM. UM, SO THERE'S, THERE'S THAT BEGINNING POINT, BUT THERE MIGHT BE MORE INFORMATION THAT COMES OUT IN THE COURSE OF PUBLIC COMMENT AND IN THE COURSE OF STAFF PRESENTATION THAT MAY WARRANT A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT OR MAY WARRANT A SUBSTITUTE MOTION. UM, BUT WE DO NEED THAT INITIAL MOTION TO BEGIN OUR DISCUSSIONS. OKAY. I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. SO IF SOMEBODY WANTED, IF SOMEBODY COMPLETELY DISAGREED WITH, THEN THEY WOULD, INSTEAD OF READING THE CITIES, UH, RECOMMENDATION, THEY WOULD COME START FIRST, IS THAT WHAT WOULD THEY WOULD SAY? THEY WOULD SAY, UM, INSTEAD OF APPROVING, INSTEAD OF MAKING A MOTION, I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE A DIFFERENT AT THE VERY BEGINNING. AT THE VERY BEGINNING, YOU COULD, YOU COULD HAVE A DIFFERENT MOTION. OUR, OUR CLERK'S TABLE IS VERY GOOD AT TAKING THOSE DOWN. UM, WE ARE IN NO WAY FORCING YOUR HAND. YOU'VE COME IN, YOU'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW. SO IF THERE'S AN ALTERNATIVE MOTION THAT CAN BE PROVIDED AND THE CLERK'S OFFICE CAN, UM, ENSURE THAT WE ALL UNDERSTAND WHAT THE MOTION IS IN FRONT THE, IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. WHERE ARE WE NOW, ? UM, LET'S SEE. I MADE A SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. COMMISSIONER BODAK MADE A SECOND. OKAY. AND WE HAVE A PRESENTATION, I'M SURE. YES. GOOD EVENING, CHAIR AND COMMISSIONER. THIS IS, UH, OFFICER AT ALEJ SAN LOPEZ, PROJECT PLANNER ABOUT AZAR BURIALS. WE'LL GIVE THE PRESENTATION FOR TODAY'S ITEM. OKAY. GOOD EVENING, UH, CHAIRS AND COMMISSIONERS. UH, TONIGHT I PRESENT FOR YOU A PRESENTATION REGARDING CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, UH, COAS 2306 DASH OH TWO, UH, FOR THE PROPERTY SIX 60 MIRAMAR AVENUE IN WHICH THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS IS REQUESTING THE DEMOLITION OF A 312 SQUARE FOOT DECK AND A CONSTRUCTION OF A 575 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION TO THE REAR OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN THE BELMONT HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT. TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND OF THE SITE, THE SITE CURRENTLY HAS A, UH, 1,313 CRAFTSMAN, UH, UH, SQUARE FOOT SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING, UM, AND A CRAFTSMAN STYLE AND A DETACHED, UH, NON-ORIGINAL 440 SQUARE FOOT, UH, GARAGE. THE HOUSE ITSELF, UH, THE DWELLING ITSELF WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1923. THE UNDERLYING ZONING IS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND IS AS MENTIONED, IS LOCATED WITHIN THE BELMONT HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT. CURRENTLY, THE SITE IS SURROUNDED BY OTHER SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNITS, PRIMARILY IN THE CRAFTSMAN STYLE. HERE ARE PHOTOS OF THE EXISTING, UH, DWELLING, UH, AND AS MENTIONED, THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS IS REQUESTING TO ALLOW THE DEMOLITION OF AN EXISTING DENT 12, UH, SQUARE FOOT DECK THAT'S TO THE REAR OF THE DWELLING. AND IN TURN, THEY WOULD, UH, BUILD A 575 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION TO THE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING. AND THIS DWELLING WILL BE A ONE STORE, UH, WILL BE A ONE STORY ADDITION. CURRENTLY, THE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING IS COMPRISED OF A KITCHEN, A LIVING ROOM, THREE BEDROOMS, AND ONE BATHROOM AS PROPOSED. THERE ARE NO, UH, UH, CHANGES TO THE FRONT FACADE OF THE DWELLING. UH, AS MENTIONED, THERE IS A, THE DECK IS LOCATED TO THE REAR OF THE DWELLING, AND THE NON-ORIGINAL, UH, TWO CAR GARAGE WAS BUILT IN TWO, UH, 2016. [00:30:01] UM, AND TO NOTE, THE GARAGE IS TO BE CONVERTED AS AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT UNDER A SEPARATE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. AS FOR THE PROPOSED FLOOR PLAN, THE ADDITION WILL, UH, CREATE, UM, WE'LL DO THE FOLLOWING TO THE, TO THE DWELLING. IT WILL REMOVE AN EXISTING BATHROOM, UH, CONSTRUCT A NEW FULL BATHROOM, UH, CONSTRUCT TWO NEW BEDROOMS, ONE BEING A MASTER BEDROOM WITH A MASTER BATHROOM AND CLOSET. THE OTHER WILL BE A STANDARD BEDROOM WITH A CLOSET, AND THERE'LL ALSO BE A NEW LAUNDRY ROOM WITH A WASHER AND DRYER. HERE ARE THE PROPOSED ELEVATIONS FOR THE, UH, DWELLING. AS CONDITIONED THE, UH, PROJECT WILL ADHERE TO A, UH, NUMBER OF CERTAIN CONDITIONS OR APPROVAL, UH, WITH THE FOLLOWING, WITH SOME OF THE FOLLOWING, UH, BEING THAT THE ADDITION SHALL NOT BE TALLER THAN THE EXISTING ROOF LINE, THAT ANY NEW WINDOWS THAT ARE TO BE, UH, PROPOSED SHALL BE CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING WINDOWS OF THE PRIMARY DWELLING IN WHICH THESE WINDOWS WILL BE SINGLE HUNG WOOD WINDOWS WITH GRID PATTERNS AS WELL. THE, UH, BUILDING, UH, PRIOR TO SWIMMING FOR PLAN CHECK, THE APPLICANT WILL SUBMIT, UH, MANUFACTURING AND MODEL INFORMATION FOR CERTAIN EXTERIOR FINISHED MATERIALS, SUCH AS, YOU KNOW, THE MANUFACTURING AND AND MODEL FOR THE WOOD WINDOWS AND DOORS. THE, UH, UH, SPECS FOR THE EXTERIOR WOOD CLADDING, WHICH IS WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, AS WELL AS PROPOSING ROOFING MATERIALS, UH, THAT ARE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING DWELLING AND COLOR AND PAINT SAMPLES THAT ARE TO, UH, UH, CONTINUE THE EXISTING COLORS OF THE, UH, UH, OF THE EXISTING DWELLING, AS WELL AS TO INCLUDE ANY TYPES OF, UH, DE UH, ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS SUCH AS VENTS WHEN, UH, WINDOWS AND DOOR TRIMS. ALL OF THESE WILL BE SHOWN ON THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS AS WELL IN ORDER TO RECOMMEND, UH, UH, APPROVAL FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE, UH, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE NEEDED TO ENSURE THAT ALL OF THE FINDINGS COULD BE MADE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE. UM, CURRENTLY AS CONDITIONED, THE PROPOSED PROJECT WILL COMPLY WITH ALL OF THE NECESSARY AND REQUIRED FINDINGS FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, UM, SUCH AS NOT, UH, NOT AFFECTING ANY OF THE SURROUNDING HISTORICAL OR, UH, CULTURAL OR ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES, UM, OF THE, OF, OF THE, UH, PROPERTY, UM, AS WELL AS COMPLYING WITH THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION. AND AS WELL, UH, THE PROJECT AS CONDITIONED WILL, UH, INCORPORATE THE DESIGN GUIDELINES, UH, FROM THE BELMONT HEIGHTS HISTORIC, UH, HISTORICS DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINES. THE PROJECT WAS NOTICED IN ACCORDANCE TO OUR MUNICIPAL CODE. UM, A TOTAL OF 143 NOTICES WERE DISTRIBUTED AND 300 FOOT RADIUS FROM THE PROJECT SITE. AS OF THIS, UH, PRESENTATION, ONLY ONE PUBLIC, UH, COMMENT WAS RECEIVED FROM THE, UH, NEIGHBOR, THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY AT SIX 70 MIRAMAR, REGARDING, UH, PRIVACY CONCERNS AND ACCESS TO THE NEIGHBORING GARAGE. AND WITH THE, UH, PROPOSED, UH, UH, AND WITH, WITH THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS, UM, UH, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING TO PROVE THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO, UH, AND ADOPT THE PROPOSED FINDINGS AND, AND CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL TO ALLOW FOR THE DEMOLITION AT, OF A 312 SQUARE FOOT DECK, AND TO CONSTRUCT A 575 SQUARE FOOT, UH, SINGLE STORY ADDITION TO THE REAR OF THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING. THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION, AND I DO BELIEVE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE, UH, VIRTUALLY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMISSIONERS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC MAY HAVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF BRIEFLY. UM, BEFORE WE USED TO HAVE, UM, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF FIRST, THEN PUBLIC COMMENT, AND THEN, UH, DISCUSS AND THEN BRING IT BACK BEHIND THE RAIL. ARE WE STILL DOING THAT? YES. [00:35:01] YEAH. SO FIRST, UM, DOES, DO THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? FIRST, UH, COMMISSIONER GROFF, YOU HAVE A QUESTION. THANK YOU FOR STAFF. UM, SO ADUS ARE PERMITTED CERTAIN ALLOWANCES, UM, THAT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES DO NOT BENEFIT FROM THE EXAM. ONE EXAMPLE IS PARKING. UM, SPECIFICALLY, UM, DOES THE ORDER OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS, MEANING THE, IS THE A DU BEING BUILT FIRST OR IS THE, THIS, IS THIS PROJECT BEING DONE FIRST AND DOES THAT IMPACT, UM, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING ABOUT THIS PROJECT? UM, YEAH, I, I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING IS, IS THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE ORDER OF APPROVAL, UM, IMPACTS PARKING. IS THAT SOUND ABOUT RIGHT? YEAH. NOT JUST PARKING, BUT IT ALSO IS, YOU KNOW, LOT COVERAGE AND A FEW OTHER THINGS THAT ADUS ARE ALLOWED TO EXCEED THAT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES AREN'T. DO YOU WANNA ANSWER THAT? HOPE THAT'S NOT TOO IN THE WEEDS FOR A QUESTION. I JUST, I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT IMPACTED THIS. UM, SO TO JUST CLARIFY THE QUESTION OF THE COMMISSIONER, UM, ARE YOU, ARE YOU, UH, JUST, UH, WANT TO UNDERSTAND IF THE A DU WILL IMPACT ANY REQUIRED ZONING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE, UH, SINGLE FAMILY, UH, DWELLING IN ITS ADDITION? IF YOU BUILD THE HOUSE FIRST, THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT APPLY TO IT, LIKE LOT, LIKE SQUARE FOOTAGE, YOU KNOW, LOT COVERAGE AND THAT SORT OF THING. OPEN AREA. MM-HMM. THAT, THAT IF YOU BUILD THE, THE HOUSE FIRST, THAT IMPACTS THAT. IF YOU BUILD THE A DU FIRST, NONE OF THAT STUFF IS A PROBLEM. MM-HMM. IS, WHICH IS WHAT IS BEING BUILT FIRST. SO THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, UM, WAS REVIEWED BY STAFF AND HAS BEEN, UH, APPROVED. UM, THIS WAS DONE EARLIER IN THE YEAR, UM, AND THIS WAS DONE AT A ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL. UH, WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, YOU KNOW, STANDARD, UH, I BELIEVE THE, THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE PROJECT WAS TO CONVERT THE GARAGE INTO AN A DU. NO ADDITIONS WERE PROPOSED TO THE GARAGE. SO ANY EXISTING LOT COVERAGE AND OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE PRIMARY DWELLING, UH, WERE NOT AFFECTED BY THE PROPOSED ADDITION. AND AS PART OF STATUS REVIEW, WE ENSURED THAT THE PROPOSED ADDITION COMPLIED WITH ALL SINGLE FAMILY, UH, ZONING STANDARDS, SUCH AS OPEN SPACE AND, UH, SETBACKS. UM, AND IN REGARDS TO THE, PROBABLY THE BIG QUESTION OF, OF PARKING, UM, UH, I, FROM, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, I BELIEVE THE SITE IS LOCATED WITHIN AB 2097, UM, WHICH EXEMPTS ALL PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR ALL, UH, RESIDENTIAL, IN THIS CASE, ALL RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS. SO PARKING WAS NOT A REQUIREMENT THAT NEEDED TO BE MET IN ORDER TO APPROVE THE ADDITION. UM, AS WELL, PARKING MAY BE, UM, A BIT MORE REQUIRED IN CERTAIN, UH, NONCONFORMITIES, YOU KNOW, IF, FOR EXAMPLE, THE SITE WAS A NON-CONFORMING SITE FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS, DENSITY LOCK COVERAGE, ET CETERA, UM, IN WHICH, YOU KNOW, IF THEY WERE A NON-CONFORMING PROPERTY, THEY COULD ONLY EXPAND ABOVE A CERTAIN SIZE. AND IF THEY WERE TO GO BEYOND THAT, UH, PARKING WOULD HAVE NEEDED TO BE REQUIRED. THIS WAS NOT THE CASE. UM, THIS PROPERTY, UH, IN ALL ITS DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS WERE, WERE CONFORMING. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AS A RESULT, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, ON, ON TOP OF THE AB 2097 COVERAGE, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, PARKING WOULD'VE NOT BEEN A, A REQUIREMENT FOR, UH, THIS CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO BE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION. COMMISSIONER BODAK. HI, COMMISSIONER BODAK, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT THE, THE COMMENT FROM THE NEIGHBOR AT SIX 70 MIRAMAR THAT THEY WERE, HAD CONCERNS ABOUT ACCESSING THEIR DRIVEWAY. IT LOOKS LIKE THEIR DRIVEWAY IS ALREADY ON THE ZERO PROPERTY LINE, UH, AND THIS WOULD NOT BE AFFECTING ALLIE ACCESS. SO I'M, CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THAT COMMENT OR CONCERN WAS ABOUT? SURE. UH, JUST TO MAKE SURE I PRESENT THE COMMENT ACCURATELY, LET ME, UH, PULL UP THEIR, UM, LETTER THAT THEY SENT IN. UM, I BELIEVE THE COMMISSION RECEIVED A COPY OF THE EMAIL PROVIDED BY THE, UH, UH, NEIGHBOR. UM, LET ME GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN HERE. UM, HERE WE GO. UM, [00:40:01] SO THE, THE NEIGHBOR, UH, THE NEIGHBOR AT SIX 70 MIRAMAR, UM, YOU KNOW, IN, IN REGARDS TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT ACCESS, UM, CURRENTLY THE GARAGE AT SIX 70 MIRAMAR, WHICH, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE, UH, SITE PLAN, UM, UH, AT THE NORTH, UH, PROPERTY LINE, THEIR GARAGE, UH, IS ABUTTING THE PROPERTY LINE AT A, AT A ZERO STEP BACK DISTANCE, UM, PREVIOUSLY, ACCORDING TO THE, TO THE LETTER, UM, TO DO IMPROVEMENTS TO THE GARAGE. THEY, UH, YOU KNOW, WOULD, WOULD SPEAK TO THEIR, UH, NEIGHBOR AND, AND, YOU KNOW, GO OVER ONTO THEIR PROPERTY AND, YOU KNOW, UH, IF THEY NEEDED TO REPAINT OR, YOU KNOW, TOUCH UP THE GARAGE, THEY WOULD OBVIOUSLY, UH, UH, NEED TO STEP INTO THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY, DO ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS FROM THEIR SIDE. UM, AND WHAT THEY'RE CONCERNED OF IS THE ADDITION RESTRICTING THE, I BELIEVE, THE NECESSARY SPACE TO MAKE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS IN A, IN A, IN A COMFORTABLE MANNER. UM, THE FOREFOOT SETBACK THAT'S PROVIDED ON THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS, I, THEY, I IF, UH, YOU KNOW, TO UNDERSTAND THEIR CONCERN AS ACCURATELY AS POSSIBLE, UM, I THINK THEY'RE, THEY BELIEVE IT MAY RESTRICT, UM, PROPER ACCESS TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO, TO THE GARAGE ON, ON THAT SIDE, ON, ON THE, UH, WELL, FOR THEM, THE, THE SOUTH, UH, FACADE. UM, AND SO, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR THE, YOU KNOW, PURPOSES OF, OF STAFF AND IT'S REVIEW, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE LOOK AT THINGS FROM A, YOU KNOW, DESIGN REVIEW, UM, PERSPECTIVE. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS BASED ON, UH, ADHERENCE TO DESIGN STANDARDS WITHIN THE BELMONT HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT AND COMPLIANCE WITH ALL SINGLE FAMILY, UH, DWELLING ZONING STANDARDS. UM, I, I BELIEVE THIS MAY BE A MATTER, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN STAFF BELIEVES THAT THIS MATTER MAY BE, UH, YOU KNOW, MORE, BETTER HANDLED BETWEEN THE PROPERTIES TO SEE HOW, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW MUCH THE ADDITION MIGHT IMPACT THEIR ABILITY TO ACCESS THE GARAGE, MAKE NECESSARY IMPROVEMENTS. SO WHEN, WHEN THEY SPEAK ABOUT ACCESS TO THE GARAGE, MM-HMM. , IT'S NOT VEHICULAR ACCESS TO THE GARAGE. THAT THAT IS CORRECT. YES. IT'S, IT'S MORE THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S ALL I NEEDED TO KNOW. MM-HMM, , THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? NO. OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANY, UM, PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? I BELIEVE WE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. OKAY. QUESTIONS? NO QUESTION. NO QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. OKAY. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT HERE TONIGHT? I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS ATTENDING, UH, VIRTUALLY. GREAT. I SEE TWO HANDS. IS IT POSSIBLE TO UNMUTE OUR APPLICANT? SORRY, WHAT IS THE NAME OF THE APPLICANT? CLERK? WE'LL GET THE APPLICANT'S NAME FOR YOU IN ONE MOMENT. IF THE APPLICANT IS ONLINE, COULD YOU, UM, RAISE YOUR HAND OVER ZOOM PLEASE? WE HAVE TWO INDIVIDUALS WITH THEIR HAND UP. I SEE AARON, PEYTON, AND ERIC, UM, BURN. IF ONLY THE APPLICANT CAN HAVE THEIR HAND UP AT THIS TIME. GREAT. IF WE CAN UNMUTE ERIC? YES. HELLO. WE CAN HEAR YOU. HI. SO I'M ACTUALLY REPRESENTING ANNA BLAZO WHO IS THE, UH, APPLICANT. UH, SHE UNFORTUNATELY IS UNABLE TO ATTEND HERSELF THIS EVENING, BUT I AM VERY, UH, FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY, UH, JUST, UH, ASSISTING THE FAMILY WITH, UH, WITH THE, THE PROJECT MANAGEMENT FOR, FOR, FOR THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, I HAD A QUICK QUESTION REGARDING THE FRENCH DOORS ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE TWO. UM, I BELIEVE THE TWO BEDROOMS THAT YOU'RE ADDING, UM, YES, I NOTICED THEY'RE SLIDING DOORS, WHICH, UM, SEEMED A LITTLE UNCONVENTIONAL TO THE PERIOD OF THE HOUSE. UH, I SEE THAT [00:45:01] THE ORIGINAL DOOR THOUGH TO ONE OF THE BEDROOMS WAS SLIDING. WAS THAT AN ORIGINAL SLIDING DOOR ON THE ORIGINAL BEDROOM THAT'S BEING REMOVED? YOU KNOW, I CANNOT SPEAK TO THAT AS BEING ORIGINAL, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. UM, IT'S THE ONLY, UH, DOOR THAT I'VE EVER KNOWN THIS, UH, THIS, UH, RESIDENCE TO HAVE. UH, SO, BUT I CANNOT SPEAK TO IT'S, UH, IT BEING ORIGINAL. OKAY, THANK YOU. WAS THERE ANY EXPLORATION IN DOING STANDARD FRENCH DOORS ON A HINGE? I BELIEVE SO, AND I BELIEVE IT WAS A MATTER OF JUST SPACE. I MEAN, THERE'S A FOOTPRINT OF THE DECK, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S EXISTING IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, WHICH I THINK IS THEN A ACCOMPANIED BY LIKE A 12 INCH, UH, YOU KNOW, 12 INCHES BEYOND THE DECK THAT'S NOT, UH, ANY SORT OF FLAGSTONE OR BRICK OR ANYTHING OF THE LANDSCAPING. AND SO THEY'RE USING THAT FOOTPRINT AS TO NOT HAVE TO, UH, DISRUPT ANY OF THE CONCRETE OR STONE OR ANYTHING THAT EXISTS THERE AT THE DECK. THEY'RE REALLY TRYING TO JUST USE THAT FOOTPRINT. SO I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THE DECISION TO JUST TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SLIDING DOORS AS OPPOSED TO FRENCH DOORS, THAT WOULD THEN WOULD REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, A BIT MORE SPACE, YOU KNOW, FOR A STEP DOWN OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN, UH, IN THAT REGARD. SO I THINK THAT THE, THE SLIDING DOORS WERE, WERE BASED OFF OF THAT DECISION, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT ROUND OF THINKING. OKAY, GREAT. THANK, THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. I'M ASSUMING THOSE SLIDING DOORS WILL BE WOOD. UH, THEY WILL BE IN WHATEVER IS APPROPRIATE BASED OFF OF, UM, UH, AZAR AND HIS DEPARTMENT AND WHATEVER'S APPROPRIATE. OKAY. THANK, THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER COMMENT OR QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY. AND DO WE HAVE ANOTHER VIRTUAL COMMENTER? WE CAN MOVE, WE CAN OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME. THAT WAS JUST APPLICANT'S TESTIMONY. OH, OKAY. SO YOU CAN FEEL FREE TO MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM IN CHAMBERS? NO. AND WE CAN MOVE ON TO VIRTUAL COMMENT. IF YOU ARE JOINING US VIRTUALLY AND WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE USE THE RAISE HAND FUNCTION AT THIS TIME. IF JOINING TELEPHONICALLY, PLEASE PRESS STAR NINE AT THIS TIME. THERE APPEARS TO BE ONE PERSON WITH THEIR HAND RAISED. UM, AARON, YOU HAVE BEEN UNMUTED. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO GIVE PUBLIC COMMENT. ERIN, YOU WILL NEED TO UNMUTE YOURSELF ON YOUR END. IS THAT DONE? CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU NOW. OKAY. I'M HERE WITH MY MOTHER, JUDY, WHO IS THE HOMEOWNER OF SIX 70 MIRAMAR. WE ARE WONDERING, UM, IT SEEMS LIKE THE PLAN SAID IT WAS FOUR FEET. UH, THE DECK, THE NEW BUILD IS FOUR FEET FROM THE FENCE LINE, UM, ASSUMING THAT IS THE PROPERTY LINE, BUT WE DO NOT KNOW IF THAT'S ACCURATE. AND MY MOTHER WOULD LIKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO A LAND SURVEY TO SEE IF THAT IS IN FACT THE PROPERTY LINE. AND ALSO SHE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT PRIVACY, UM, WITH THE LARGE WINDOWS, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO SEE INTO THE BACKYARD AND INTO THE DINING ROOM. AND ANYTHING ELSE? UM, NO, I THINK THAT WAS IT. OKAY. WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO PROCEED WITH THAT. IS THAT PART OF OUR REQUEST FOR THE LANCER? IS THAT PART OF OUR PURVIEW? THOSE ARE QUESTIONS YOU CAN ASK TO STAFF AFTER, BUT IF WE CAN CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY. MM-HMM, . OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENT. UM, IF THERE'S ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT, VIRTUAL, ONCE AGAIN, IF YOU ARE JOINING VIRTUALLY AND WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE USE THE RAISE HAND FUNCTION AT THIS TIME. IF JOINING TELEPHONICALLY, PLEASE PRESS STAR NINE. THERE APPEARS TO BE NO FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU. UM, I'LL TAKE IT BACK BEHIND THE RAIL FOR THE COMMISSIONERS. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? UH, COMMISSIONER [00:50:01] GUAN WOULD LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION TO THE STAFF IN THE, UH, THE DRAWINGS THAT YOU WERE SHOWING TO US TONIGHT THAT THE ORIGINAL HOUSE IS A CONTRIBUTING FACTOR TO THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT, THE NEW ADDITION, THERE SEEMS TO BE NO DELINEATION BETWEEN WHAT THE NEW PROPOSES VERSUS THE EXISTING CONTRIBUTING HISTORICAL FACTOR. ISN'T THAT PART OF THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS TO HAVE SOME SORT OF DELINEATION, UH, BOTH EITHER SIDING, UH, ROOF COLLAR, THAT SORT OF THING? UM, VICE CHAIR, UH, THIS IS ALEJANDRO OVER HERE AT THE, AT THE STAFF DESK. UH, I THINK I CAN ANSWER THAT ONE. SO THERE IS, UM, A SLIGHT DELINEATION, UH, AND I BELIEVE THERE'S A, A VERY SMALL NOTE ON THE DRAWINGS. UM, UM, THE SIDING SIZE WILL ACTUALLY JUST BE A LITTLE BIT, UH, DIFFERENT IN SIZE COMPARED TO THE ORIGINAL. UH, SO YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO REALLY TELL THE DIFFERENCE, UH, STANDING FROM THE STREET, BUT IF YOU'RE STANDING CLOSE BY, UH, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SEE IT. UH, THE OTHER DISTINCTION THAT, UH, IS DONE HERE, UM, IS JUST, UH, WITH THE WINDOW PATTERNS. UH, SO IN THE EXISTING, UH, ORIGINAL CONTRIBUTING HOUSE, UH, THERE, THE WINDOWS ARE LAID OUT ALMOST IN GROUPS OF TWO OR THREE. UH, THE WAY THE WINDOWS ARE ALIGNED AND SET UP ON THE ADDITION ARE JUST, UH, IN SINGLES, UH, AND SPACED OUT NOT IN GROUPS. THANK YOU. YES, COMMISSIONER PETE. SO, UM, THANK YOU ALEJANDRO FOR CLARIFYING THAT. I DO REMEMBER READING THAT, BUT HOW DO THE TWO DIFFERENT SIGHTINGS AT DIFFERENT DIMENSIONS MEET? I MEAN, YOU JUST, IS THERE A VERTICAL DELINEATION OR A CHANGE IN ON THE CORNER OR, UH, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY WE'D HAVE, UM, AND I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE IT ON THIS DRAWING, BUT, UM, I THINK THERE'S TWO, THERE'S WHAT WE'VE DONE, UH, IN PAST PRACTICE IS A RECOMMENDED, UH, LIKE A VERTICAL WOOD, UM, SORT OF DELINEATION, UM, IN AS FAR AS HOW THEY WOULD MEET HERE IN THIS PARTICULAR EXAMPLE, I'M NOT SURE. THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT WE COULD ASK. UM, UH, THE APPLICANT, I BELIEVE THAT IS MAYBE THE DESIGNER FOR THIS PROJECT, UH, WHO'S, WHO'S WITH US, UH, VIRTUALLY HERE. I I DON'T RECALL THE, THE PERSON'S NAME. UH, THAT WAS, WAS IT KYLE? ERIC, YOU HAVE BEEN UNMUTE. IT'S ERIC APOLOGIES. HI. HI, THIS IS ERIC AGAIN. UM, SO THE, THOSE QUESTIONS ARE SPECIFICALLY PROBABLY BEST DIRECTED TO THE ARCHITECT AND DESIGNERS, UH, FOR THE PROJECT. I AM, I'M SIMPLY, UH, , I'M THE, UH, CENTER OF COMMUNICATION BETWEEN I SEE ALL OF THEM. SO, YEAH, AND THAT'S, THAT'S PROBABLY BEST ASKED DIRECTLY TO THE ARCHITECTS. SO, SO COMMISSIONER PIZO, I, I THINK WHAT WE COULD RECOMMEND, UH, AS, UH, UH, FOR, FOR THIS PARTICULAR CASE IS WE COULD EITHER RECOMMEND THAT, UM, A VERTICAL BOARD, UH, BE INSTALLED THERE SO THAT THERE'S A CLEAR DELINEATION BETWEEN, UH, EXISTING AND NEW, UH, THAT COULD BE ADDED AS A CONDITION, UH, OR YOU COULD ALSO REFER IT TO STAFF, UH, TO ENSURE THAT, UM, HOW THOSE, UM, PIECES OF, TO OLD ORIGINAL SIDING AND NEW SIDING LINEUP, UH, MAKE SOME SORT OF LOGICAL SENSE, UM, IN, IN, IN CONSTRUCTION. THANK YOU. UM, I HAD A QUESTION FOR STAFF REGARDING THE COMMENT FROM THE VIRTUAL, UM, UH, I, I WOULD BE UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT HER COMMENTS HAD TO DO, WERE NOT IN OUR PURVIEW THAT, UM, A SURVEY AND, UH, PRIVACY CONCERNS. WOULD THOSE BE ANYTHING WE WOULD COMMENT ON? THANK YOU, CHAIR. SO, UM, FIRST RELATED TO SURVEYING, UH, GENERALLY SPEAKING, UH, WE LEAVE IT TO THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS, UM, TO ENSURE BEFORE A PROJECT HAPPENS THAT THEY'RE, UM, CLEAR ON SORT OF WHERE THAT PROPERTY LINE DELINEATION IS. HOWEVER, UM, THE REVIEW OF ANY LEGAL SURVEY AND THAT INFORMATION ON PROPERTY LINE, UM, IS ALSO LOOKED AT THROUGH THE INSPECTION PROCESS. SO, UM, WE CERTAINLY ENCOURAGE, UH, THE APPLICANT AND THE NEIGHBOR TO ENSURE THAT, UM, THERE'S A CLEAR SURVEY AND THAT THEY'RE ON THE SAME PAGE, UM, AND, AND WANT TO ENSURE THAT THEY CAN HELP REDUCE ANY, YOU KNOW, CHALLENGES THERE MIGHT BE AS NEIGHBORS. UM, UH, SO THAT'S KIND OF THE PIECE WE HAVE THERE AS IT RELATES TO PRIVACY. UM, THAT'S PART OF THE, UM, REASONING, UM, AS TO WHY THERE ARE REQUIRED SETBACKS AND VARIOUS SORT OF DESIGN, UH, REQUIREMENTS IN THE DESIGN GUIDELINES. SO, UH, THIS PROJECT DOES MEET, UM, THOSE STANDARDS AND, AND GUIDELINES AS, UH, AS, UH, PROPOSED. THANK YOU. DID YOU HAVE A, YOU LOOK LIKE YOU HAVE A QUESTION, COMMISSIONER BOW THERE. [00:55:01] SO TO CLARIFY, THE, UM, THE ADDITION DOES NOT EXTEND FURTHER NORTH THAN THE EXISTING HOUSE ELEVATION, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT, YES. OKAY. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE ONLY TIME A SURVEY IS REQUIRED OF PROPERTY LINES IS WHEN YOU'RE BUILDING A FENCE OR A WALL, OTHERWISE IT IS AT THE DISCRETION OF THE TWO PROPERTY OWNERS. CORRECT. THANK YOU. THAT'S A BETTER WAY TO EXPLAIN IT. SO WE DEAL WITH THAT OFTEN WHEN WE'RE DOING A FENCE OR WALL THING HERE. SO IT, THE EXISTING HOUSE MM-HMM. IS, IS BUILT, AND THIS IS NOT EXTENDING BEYOND THAT. WE HAVE TO ASSUME THAT THE HOUSE HAS THE APPROPRIATE SETBACK. CORRECT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. ANYTHING ELSE? YEAH, COMMISSIONER GFI. UM, COMMISSIONER PISO ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT THE WINDOWS AND LOOKING AT THE DOOR AND WINDOW SCHEDULE, IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT THERE'S ANY INDICATION OF MATERIAL. SO CAN WE MAKE THAT, UM, PART OF OUR, OUR, OUR MOTION OR A RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY CLARIFY THAT? UH, YES, THAT IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN ADD AS A CONDITION. I'M JUST DOUBLE CHECKING TO SEE IF WE'VE ALREADY HAVE IT, UM, AS A CONDITION TO, UH, ENSURE THAT ALL WINDOW, ALL NEW WINDOWS BE, UH, MADE OUT OF WOOD. UM, SO TO ADD ON TO THAT, UH, CONDITION 14 ON THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, UH, THE SECOND SENTENCE MENTIONS THAT THE NEW WINDOWS SHALL BE SINGLE HUNG WOOD WINDOWS WITH GRID PATTERNS. SO, SO NEITHER, UH, ON THE DRAWINGS, NEITHER THE DOORS NOR THE WINDOWS ARE INDICATED AS BEING WOOD. UH, AND THEN THERE'S NO MATERIAL INDICATED AT ALL. MM-HMM, , UM, WE, WE CAN DEFINITELY ADD THAT. UM, PART OF THE PROCESS IS ONCE THIS GOES TO PLAN, CHECK THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL FROM THE, FROM, UH, THE C OF A CASE WILL BE PART OF THE APPLICATION SUBMITTAL. SO THAT IS CHECKED AT THAT POINT, UM, BY BOTH THE PLANNER AND THE PLAN CHECKER, BUT WE CAN, WE CAN BE, WE CAN ADD IT IF NEEDED. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER PIZZA. SORRY. UM, CAN WE ADD THE CONDITION THEN FOR THE, FOR THE DOORS TO BE WOOD? IS THAT, SO I BELIEVE IT'S AL IT'S ALREADY IN THE CONDITION RIGHT OF APPROVAL. THE DOORS IN THE DOORS, I HEARD THE WINDOWS WERE, AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO ADD ON THE NORTH ELEVATION, A VERTICAL DELINEATION BETWEEN THE TWO. UM, SIDING, IT'S ONLY ON THE NORTH ELEVATION. THE, THE SOUTH ELEVATION IS A, IS A POP OUT, SO THEY WILL JUST END IN THE CORNER IN AN INTERNAL CORNER. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER PIZO? YEAH, JUST TO CONFIRM, UH, IT'S A CONDITION NUMBER 14, AND YOU ARE CORRECT. IT'S, IT DOESN'T, UH, SPECIFICALLY SPELL OUT THE DOORS, SO, UH, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE ADDED AS A CONDITION. THANK YOU. ALLOWED TO CLARIFY, COMMISSIONER PIZZA, ARE YOU PUTTING THAT FORWARD AS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION? YES, I AM. PLEASE. THANK YOU. . NO, THIS WILL BE FUN. WE, WE GET TO DO THIS TOGETHER. AND THEN I BELIEVE THE MOTION MAKER WAS, UM, COMMISSIONER WAN. DO YOU ACCEPT THAT? FRIENDLY? I DO. THANK YOU. AND JUST TO BE SO THAT WE'RE CLEAR ON WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US, THE FRIENDLYS I HAVE IT IS THE INCLUSION OF THE VERTICAL DELINEATION ON THE NORTHERN ELEVATION. UM, AND THEN THE INCLUSION TO CONDITION 14, UM, THAT SPECIFICALLY CALLS OUT THAT THAT SLIDER SHOULD BE WOOD. THAT IS CORRECT. THANK YOU. AND I BELIEVE OUR SECOND WAS COMMISSIONER BODAK. DO YOU ACCEPT THAT? FRIENDLY? I DO. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, CAN WE VOTE NOW? ARE WE READY? , DO I HAVE TO RESTATE IT ONCE WE MOVE INTO THE VOTE? THERE CAN'T BE ANY DISCUSSION, SO IF THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION RIGHT ON THE MOTION, THEN YOU CAN MOVE INTO THE VOTE. OKAY. AND DO I HAVE TO STATE THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS OR JUST SAY INCLUDING SO WE CAN, UM, I, I JUST STATED IT JUST SO THAT WAS, EVERYONE WAS CLEAR. OKAY. I THINK EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS WHAT THE ITEM THAT'S BEFORE EVERYBODY, WHICH IS THE RECOMMENDATION WITH THE OCCLUSION OF THOSE TWO FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS FROM COMMISSIONER PIZZA. SO WE CAN JUST CALL FOR A VOTE? SURE CAN. OKAY. MAD CLERK . GO TO THE GREAT BOOKS AND MAKE IT BIGGER. OH, I DID [01:00:01] P CHAIR MC ONE. I CAN TAKE A VERBAL VOTE IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO STATE YOUR VOTE. MY VOTE IS A YAY. THANK YOU. MOTION CARRIES. AND CLERK, CAN YOU REPORT OUT THE FINAL OH, THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. CAN WE PLEASE READ THE NEXT ITEM? ITEM FIVE IS RECOMMENDATION TO REVIEW [5. 23-40460 Recommendation to review the landmark nomination, background materials, make all appropriate findings and recommend that the City Council designate the exterior of the former Fire Station No. 9 building located at 3917 Long Beach Boulevard in the Commercial Community Automobile-Oriented (CCA) Zoning District as a Locally Designated Historic Landmark building. (District 5)       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] THE LANDMARK NOMINATION BACKGROUND MATERIALS, MAKE ALL APPROPRIATE FINDINGS, AND RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY COUNCIL DESIGNATE THE EXTERIOR OF THE FORMER FIRE STATION. NUMBER NINE BUILDING, LOCATED AT 39 17 LONG BEACH BOULEVARD IN THE COMMERCIAL COMMUNITY, AUTOMOBILE ORIENTED ZONING DISTRICT AS A LOCALLY DESIGNATED HISTORIC LAND LANDMARK BUILDING DISTRICT FIVE. UM, YOU HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION. DO WE MAKE A MOTION MOTION AGAIN? YES, PLEASE. 'CAUSE IT, HMM. OKAY. COMMISSIONER SFI IS MOVED. IS THERE A SECOND PLEASE? COMMISSIONER BODAK. THANK YOU. AND MAY WE HAVE A STAFF REPORT, PLEASE? YES. THANK YOU. SO I WILL INTRODUCE MARYANNE CRONIN PROJECT PLANNER. UM, YOU'LL REMEMBER THAT WE HAD, UM, AN ITEM RELATED TO, UM, 39 17 LONG BEACH BOULEVARD AT OUR LAST MEETING IN SEPTEMBER, AT WHICH TIME THE COMMISSION GAVE DIRECTION, UM, UH, LOOKING TO DESIGNATE, UM, THE STRUCTURE AS A HISTORIC LANDMARK, BUT ASKING STAFF FOR ADDITIONAL DETAILS, UM, INCLUDING RELATED TO THE INTERIOR OF THE PROPERTY. SO, UM, I'LL PASS IT OVER TO MARIANNE FOR A STAFF REPORT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, CHAIR AND FELLOW COMMISSIONERS BEFORE YOU. THIS EVENING IS A THIRD PARTY LANDMARK NOMINATION FOR THE FORMER FIRE STATION NUMBER NINE AT 3 9 1 7 LONG BEACH BOULEVARD. UH, THIS SLIDE PROVIDES, UM, A PROJECT HISTORY WHICH STARTS BACK IN 1938 WHEN THE, THE, UM, FIRE STATION WAS CONSTRUCTED. IT WAS DESIGNED BY W HORACE AUSTIN IN THE TUDOR REVIVAL STYLE, AND WAS CONTINUED TO BE USED AS A FIRE STATION UNTIL, UM, 2019, UH, WHEN THE, UM, UH, MOLD WAS DETECTED IN THE SITE AND FIRE STATION CREW WERE RELOCATED OFFSITE. THEN IN 2021, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID HEAR AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT APPLICATION TO CONSIDER THE REMOVAL OF THE FIRE STATION TO RELOCATE A PERMANENT OR TEMPORARY FIRE STATION IN FIRE SERVICE AREA NUMBER NINE. UH, THAT, UH, FIRE, UM, STATION REPLACEMENT PROJECT EIR DID EXAMINE, UH, MULTIPLE OPTIONS THAT INCLUDED THE DEMOLITION OF THE STRUCTURE, BUT ALSO, UH, THE EVENTUAL DEVELOPMENT OF A PERMANENT FIRE STATION, AS WELL AS THE ADAPTIVE REUSE OF THE BUILDING, UH, WHICH THE DETERMINATION SAID THAT DUE TO THE POTENTIAL FOR MOLD THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING COULD HAVE, UH, RESULT IN THE SAME IMPACTS AS DEMOLISHING THE BUILDING DUE TO NE NECESSARY REMEDIATION. UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DETERMINED TO, UM, CONTINUE THAT TO A DATE UNCERTAIN. UH, WHILE THE PROJECT COULD BE PUT UP FOR POTENTIAL OPTIONS FOR ADAPTIVE REUSE AND SALE, UH, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT DID, UM, GO THROUGH MULTIPLE PROCESSES, UH, TO PUT THE APPLICATION UP FOR SALE, WHICH INCLUDED, UM, ITEMS THROUGHOUT THE 2023 CALENDAR YEAR. UM, BACK IN JULY OR JUNE OF 2023, A THIRD PARTY APPLICATION WAS FILED BY THE LOS RITOS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, UH, TO LANDMARK THE BUILDING, WHICH IS THE SUBJECT OF TODAY'S APPLICATION. BEFORE YOU, AND AS A REMINDER OF WHAT ALLISON HAD INTRODUCED, THE, UH, SEPTEMBER, 2023 HEARING, UM, THE STAFF DID NOT PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION TO LANDMARK OR TO NOT LANDMARK, BUT LEFT THAT OPTION UP TO THE CULTURAL HERITAGE COMMISSION TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION. AND AS PART OF THAT VOTE, THE MOTION WAS TO HAVE STAFF RETURN WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO LANDMARK THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING WITH OPTIONS FOR THE INTERIOR FEATURES THAT WERE PRESENTED IN THE LANDMARK APPLICATIONS, UM, SUBMITTED BY THE THIRD PARTY INDIVIDUALS. UH, THE REMAINDER OF THIS, UM, PRESENTATION WILL BE THE PRESENTATION, VERY LIGHT, UM, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU HEARD IN SEPTEMBER. UH, BUT FOR THE BENEFIT, WE'LL GO OVER ALL THE PROJECT FACTS. UH, THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE PROJECT LOCATION, WHICH IS LOCATED ALONG LONG BEACH BOULEVARD. UH, THE REAR FIRE APPARATUS SPACE DO TAKE ACCESS OFF OF VIRGINIA ROAD, UH, WHICH ARE SHOWN ON THIS AERIAL IMAGE. [01:05:02] THE LOCATION IS ON A 5,800 SQUARE FOOT LOT AND IS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY AUTOMOBILE ORIENTED ZONE, UH, WITH A GENERAL PLAN PLACED TIGHT FOR NEIGHBORHOOD SERVING CENTER OR CORRIDORS LOW. UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER IS THE CITY OF LONG BEACH, AND AS A REMINDER, THIS IS A THIRD PARTY APPLICATION BY THE LOS CERRITOS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION SURROUNDING LAND. USES DO INCLUDE COMMERCIAL, UH, RESIDENTIAL USES AS, UM, AND IT IS WORTH NOTING THAT THE PROJECT IS NOT WITHIN A DESIGNATED LANDMARK HISTORIC DISTRICT. UH, THIS SLIDE PROVIDES A BACKGROUND ON THE, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT THAT WAS PREPARED AND PRESENTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN 2021. UM, THE REASON FOR INCLUDING THIS INFORMATION IS THAT AS PART OF THAT EIR, UM, THE SITE HAD WAS DETERMINED TO BE A HISTORICAL RESOURCE PURSUANT TO THE, UM, SQA REQUIREMENTS FOR ITS AGE. AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, A CULTURAL RESOURCES STUDY WAS PREPARED AND INCLUDED AS AN ATTACHMENT FOR SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION. UH, THAT ANALYSIS DID INCLUDE A DEPARTMENT OF RECREATION FORM 5 23 FORM THAT CONCLUDED THAT THE, UH, FIRE STATION WAS ELIGIBLE FOR LISTING OR DESIGNATION AS A LANDMARK UNDER CRITERIA A FOR ASSOCIATION. UH, THAT IS THE INFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN USED ON RELIANCE FOR THE ANALYSIS YOU'LL HEAR TODAY. THE PROJECT SCOPE BEFORE YOU IS THAT APPLICATION. TO DESIGNATE THIS AS A LOCAL LANDMARK, IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE EXTERIOR OF THE, UH, SITE IS PROPOSED AS INCLUDED IN THAT LANDMARK DESIGNATION ALONG WITH THE BULLETED ITEMS THAT ARE NOTED HERE ON THIS SLIDE. AND THESE ARE THE ITEMS THAT WERE SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE THIRD PARTY APPLICATION TO INCLUDE INTERIOR ELEMENTS THAT INCLUDE THE RECEPTION ROOM WITH THE FIREPLACE BUILT-INS AND BLACKBOARD, ORIGINAL DOORS, ORIGINAL LOCKERS, STAIRWAY, THE APPARATUS, ENGINE ROOM, WOOD, TRUS CEILING, FIRE HOSE, TOWER, AND VAULT. THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE HISTORIC PLANS THAT WERE ACTUALLY INCLUDED AS PART OF THAT HISTORIC ANALYSIS AS PART OF THE EIR. AND AS YOU COULD SEE FROM THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, UM, THE EXTERIOR FORM OF THE BUILDING REMAINS INTACT AS PART OF THE, UM, EXISTING CONDITIONS. UH, THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE EXISTING EXTERIOR CONDITIONS. THE PROJECT WAS SITE, UH, WAS DEVELOPED AS NOTED IN 1938 AS A FIRE STATION IN THE TUDOR REVIVAL, UM, STYLE. AND THIS WAS A WORKS PROGRESS ADMINISTRATION PROJECT FOR THE CITY OF LONG BEACH. THE, UH, 5,548 SQUARE FOOT RECTANGULAR BUILDING IS OF ONE AND A HALF STORIES AND HEIGHT AND HAS A THREE STORY HOSE TOWER THAT REMAINS ON THE SITE. UH, AS PREVIOUSLY NOTED, THE TWO FIRETRUCK BAYS ARE LOCATED AT THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE. UH, MAJOR ALTERATIONS NOTED DURING THE FIELD INSPECTION INCLUDED RESECTING EXTERIOR AND REPLACING WOOD ROOF SHINGLES WITH ASPHALT. UH, ALL BUT ONE ORIGINAL WINDOW HAS BEEN REPLACED IN THE OPENINGS ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION APPEARED TO HAVE BEEN RESIZED OTHER THAN THE GARAGE OPENINGS. MOST ENTRANCES ENTRANCES RETAIN THEIR ORIGINAL DOORS. A RADIO MAST FORMERLY THE CENTER OF THE TOWER, WAS ALSO REMOVED IN BETWEEN 2016 AND 2019, THE WPA PLAQUE WAS REMOVED FROM THE EAST ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING. UH, SOME INTERIOR SPACES REMAIN, UH, RETAIN THEIR ORIGINAL FEATURES AND FINISHES WHILE OTHERS HAVE BEEN REMODELED OVER TIME TO ADAPT TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S NEEDS. IT IS WORTH NOTING THE ORIGINAL FIREPLACE WITH WOOD BUILT IN CABINETS AND GLASS DOORS ARE EXISTING IN THE RECEPTION ROOM, WHICH WAS MOST RECENTLY UTILIZED AS A GYM BY THE FIRE PERSONNEL. THE WASHROOM AND LOCKER ROOMS ALSO REMAIN INTACT WITH ORIGINAL BUILT-IN FURNITURE, INCLUDING WOOD LOCKERS AND CABINETS AND DRAWERS. UH, BOTH OF THESE ROOMS RETAIN THEIR ORIGINAL LAYOUT AS WELL AS A RESULT OF THE SEPTEMBER, 2023 COMMISSION. UH, OPTIONS WERE SOUGHT BY THE CHC TO EXPLORE THE INTERIOR FEATURES. SO THE NEXT SLIDES WILL SHOW, UM, CLOSEUP PHOTOS OF THE INTERIOR ELEMENTS THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THE APPLICATION FOR CONSIDERATION AS OPTIONS TODAY. THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE RECEPTION ROOM WITH THE SIDED FIREPLACE AS WELL AS THE BUILT-INS AND AS WELL AS THE BLACKBOARD. AS YOU CAN SEE, THESE FEATURES DO REMAIN IN THE BUILDING, UM, BUT THEY, UM, ARE NOT, UH, DIRECTLY RELATED TO ITS ASSOCIATION WITH THE WPA AND ARE, UH, NORMALLY FOUND IN, UM, RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL USES. UH, THESE PHOTOS SHOW SOME OF THE EXAMPLES OF THE INTERIOR, UM, ORIGINAL DOORS AS WELL AS AN EX A COUPLE EXTERIOR DOORS. UH, THE ATTACHMENT IN YOUR PACKET IS QUITE LARGE WITH PHOTOS, UM, AND THOSE HAVE, THESE ARE JUST A SAMPLE OF SOME OF THE PHOTOS FOR THE EXISTING CONDITIONS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. FURTHERMORE, THE ORIGINAL LOCKERS WERE INCLUDED IN THE THIRD PARTY APPLICATION, AND THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE ORIGINAL LOCKERS IN THEIR CONDITION TODAY. AND, UH, THEY ARE WOOD [01:10:01] LOCKERS, UM, AND THEY REMAIN IN THEIR ORIGINAL LOCATION. THE INTERIOR STAIRWAY TO THE SECOND FLOOR WAS ALSO INCLUDED IN THE APPLICATION AS SHOWN HERE ON THE PHOTOS. AND THE WOOD TRUS CEILING IN THE APPARATUS BAY IS ALSO INCLUDED IN THE EXISTING CONDITION AND SHOWN, UM, IN NUMEROUS PHOTOS IN YOUR PACKETS, THE FIRE HOSE TOWER, UM, IT CAN BE ACCESSED THROUGH A CORRAL SPACE, UH, THROUGH THAT SECOND FLOOR AREA. AS PREVIOUSLY NOTED, THE INTERIOR OF THE SECOND FLOOR HAD BEEN CHANGED FROM A RADIO ROOM TO BE PARTITIONED FOR OFFICES AND, UH, DORMITORY TYPE ROOMS. SO THIS IS NOW ACCESSIBLE THROUGH A CEILING OPENING. AND FINALLY, THE VAULT, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE ANY INTERIOR PHOTOS DUE TO IT BEING LOCKED, BUT IT IS AN EXISTING CONDITION THAT IS REMAINING ON THE FLOOR PLAN AS IT WAS IN ITS ORIGINAL SETTING. IN ORDER TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION, THERE ARE FOUR CRITERIA, UH, CRITERIA A IS FOR ASSOCIATION WITH EVENTS. UM, CRITERIA B IS LIVES OF PERSONS CRITERIA, C IS MORE DISTINCTIVE CHARACTERISTICS, AND CRITERION D IS THE POTENTIAL TO YIELD INFORMATION. AS PREVIOUSLY NOTED, THE EIR INFORMATION CONCLUDED THAT THE PROJECT WAS ELIGIBLE UNDER CRITERION A FOR ITS ASSOCIATION WITH THE WPA. UM, I'M NOT GONNA NECESSARILY READ THE ENTIRETY OF THIS SLIDE, BUT IT IS PROVIDED FOR CONTEXT FOR THE PUBLIC. UM, BUT UNDER CRITERION A, THE ANALYSIS INCLUDED AN ANALYSIS UNDER CIVIC AND GOVERNMENTAL INFRASTRUCTURE ASSOCIATION, AS WELL AS THE WPA, UH, THE PROJECT. UM, THE SITE WAS CONSIDERED UNDER THE FIRST ITEM, UM, THAT WOULD NEED TO BE THE FIRST FIRE STATION IN THE CITY OF LONG BEACH HISTORY TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT EXAMPLE OF CIVIC AND GOVERNMENTAL INFRASTRUCTURE. THEREFORE, THE ANALYSIS DID NOT FIND THAT, UM, THE FIRE STATION WAS SIGNIFICANT UNDER THAT CONTEXT. THE SECOND, UM, CONTEXT IS THE WPA, UM, AS A RESULT OF THE 1933 LONG BEACH EARTHQUAKE AND THE LACK OF CITY, UM, MONEY DURING THE GREAT DEPRESSION, THE CITY OF LONG BEACH APPEALED TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR HELP TO REBUILD FIRE SERVICE IN THE, IN THE CITY. TWO FIRE STATIONS WERE CONSTRUCTED BY THE WPA DURING THAT TIMEFRAME. THE PROPERTY DOES APPEAR TO BE A SIGNIFICANT UNDER CRITERION A, UM, AS ITS INSTITUTIONAL DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE IT REPRESENTS THE PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE WPA TO REBUILD AND ADD PUBLIC SERVICES AFTER THE 1933 EARTHQUAKE, WHICH CHANGED MUCH OF THE CITY'S CONTEXT. SO THEREFORE, THIS IS THE ASSOCIATION THAT THE FIRE STATION REMAINS. UM, SINCE ITS CONSTRUCTION, THE BUILDING HAS REMAINED UNDER PUBLIC OWNERSHIP UNDER FI, UH, AS FIRE STATION NUMBER NINE. WHILE MANY PERSONNEL AND INDIVIDUALS HAVE WORKED AT THE PROPERTY, IT IS NOT ASSOCIATED WITH ANYBODY OF, UH, SUBSTANTIAL IMPORTANCE, UH, TO BE ELIGIBLE UNDER CRITERION B. SO THEREFORE, THE PROPERTY IS NOT DETERMINED, IS DETERMINED TO NOT TO BE SIGNIFICANT UNDER CRITERION B. FURTHERMORE, CRITERION C UH, TALKS ABOUT DISTINCTIVE CHARACTERISTICS. UM, FIRE STATION NUMBER NINE WAS EVALUATED AS AN EXAMPLE OF THE T TO REVIVAL STYLE DESIGNED BY A PROLIFIC LONG BEACH ARCHITECT W HORSE AUSTIN, BUT IT DOES NOT FULLY, UM, BASED ON THE ANALYSIS AND BODY DISTINGUISHING FIXTURES OF THIS STYLE AND IS NOT AN IMPORTANT EXAMPLE OF THIS STYLE IN THIS CONTEXT. FURTHERMORE, THE ANALYSIS SHOWED THAT WHILE AUSTIN IS A PROLIFIC ARCHITECT IN OUR LONG BEACH HISTORY, THE BUILDING IS NOT CONSIDERED, UM, THE MOST IMPORTANT PHASE OF HIS CAREER OR AN ASPECT OF HIS CAREER OR AN IDENTIFIER OF HIS CRAFT. SO THEREFORE, THE PROJECT SITE DOES NOT, UM, SEEM ELIGIBLE FOR CRITERION C UNDER ANALYSIS. CRITERION D WAS NOT CONSIDERED AS IT GENERALLY APPLIES TO ARCHEOLOGICAL RESOURCES. AND THIS IS A DEVELOPED SITE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING NOTICES WERE MAILED OUT AND, UH, POSTED ON SITE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE MUNICIPAL CODE IN INCLUDING ALL INDIVIDUALS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY COMMENTERS. DURING BOTH PLANNING COMMISSION AND CULTURAL HERITAGE COMMISSION PROCEEDINGS. SEVEN PUBLIC COMMENTS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED AND ARE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKETS FOR CO UH, REVIEW AND, UH, CONSIDERATION. UH, THIS SLIDE PROVIDES SOME OF THE OPTIONS THAT WERE REQUESTED BY THIS COMMISSION. UH, FIRST, THE RECOMMENDATION OF STAFF IS TO LANDMARK THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING AT THIS TIME. UH, DURING THE LAST RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS, UM, THE REQUEST WAS THAT OPTIONS BE PROVIDED FOR INTERIOR ELEMENTS. UM, CITY STAFF DOES RECOMMEND LIMITING THE PROTECTIONS TO THE EXTERIOR AS THAT THE STRUCTURES OVERALL EXISTENCE IN ITS LOCATION ARE WHAT MAKES IT ELIGIBLE. AND CRITERIA A, UH, THE INTERIOR FEATURES IN THE LANDMARK EXIST THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING. AND, UH, FOR THE ADAPTIVE REUSE OF THIS BUILDING, THEY MIGHT NEED TO [01:15:01] BE CHANGED TO MEET CODE REQUIREMENTS, UH, FOR THE REUSE OF THIS BUILDING. UH, THEREFORE STAFF DOES RECOMMEND THAT, UM, BECAUSE OF THE DISPOSITION PROCESS AND THE SALE OF THE BUILDING, THAT THE INTERIOR CONSIDERATION OF LANDMARKING THOSE FEATURES, UH, WOULD BE DELAYED UNTIL 90 DAYS AFTER THE SALE OF THE PROPERTY, UM, TO ALLOW FOR THE FUTURE PROPERTY OWNER TO CONSIDER THE IMPLICATIONS BASED ON THEIR ADAPTIVE REUSE PLANS AND REALLY STUDY, UH, WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. UM, THAT IS THE RECOMMENDATION OF STAFF IS TO REVISIT AFTER, UM, IF A LANDMARK DESIGNATION IS SECURED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. UH, FURTHERMORE, IF THE CHC DOES RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY COUNCIL DECIDE TO PROCEED WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO LANDMARK THE STRUCTURE WITH INTERIOR FEATURES, UH, IT IS OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION THAT THOSE BE LIMITED TO THE RECEPTION ROOM FIREPLACE AND BUILT-INS, THE WOOD TRUSTS CEILING AND THE HOSE TOWER, AS THOSE ARE ITEMS THAT, UM, CAN BE WORKED AROUND IN, UH, READY FASHION WHILE ALSO MEETING BUILDING CODE. UM, IT IS ALSO WORTH NOTING, ANOTHER OPTION IS THAT, UM, IF INTERIOR FEATURES ARE NOT PRESERVED AT THIS TIME OR IN THE FUTURE, THE CHC ALSO HAS ADDITIONAL OPTIONS INCLUDING REQUIRING, UM, HISTORIC AMERICAN BUILDING SURVEY, LIKE PHOTOGRAPHY OF THESE FEATURES BEFORE REMOVAL, REQUIRING SALVAGE OR DONATION OF ROOF MATERIALS OR OTHER MEASURES ARE OPTIONS THAT ARE AFFORDED TO THIS COMMISSION. UM, THESE FEATURES ARE OF PERIOD, BUT DO NOT REPRESENT A UNIQUE OR SUPERIOR VERSION OF IMPROVEMENTS, UH, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN FOUND ELSEWHERE THROUGHOUT OUR HISTORIC, UM, COMMUNITY. UH, THEREFORE, THE RECOMMENDATION IS FOR THE CHC TO REVIEW THE MATERIALS AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO LANDMARK, THE ONLY, THE EXTERIOR OF THE FIRE STATION. NUMBER NINE BUILDING, UH, NAMED AS FORMER FIRE STATION NUMBER NINE. UH, THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION AND MYSELF AND A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ARE HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME? ONE QUICK QUESTION, COMMISSIONER PETE. SO, UM, IS THERE ANY INTENT TO REPLACE THE PLAQUE THAT WAS REMOVED ON THE BUILDING AS THE LANDMARK OF THE BUILDING GOES FORWARD? SO, UH, I DON'T KNOW. WE COULD PROBABLY, UH, LOOK INTO THAT. I THINK WHAT WAS ON THE SITE BEFORE, AND IT, IT COULD BE INCORRECT HERE, BUT I BELIEVE THE, UH, PLAQUE THAT WAS ON THE SITE BEFORE WAS MAYBE LIKE A COMMEMORATION OF, UH, THIS BEING ASSOCIATED WITH THE VPA. UH, BUT YEAH, AS PART OF THE PROCESS, UM, THAT COULD, UH, A SEPARATE PLAQUE, UH, COULD BE, UH, PUT UP OR A, A REPLICATION OF THE ORIGINAL PLAQUE, UH, TO THE EXTENT THAT WE COULD DO IT, UM, COULD BE DONE. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? UH, I'LL RESERVE MY QUESTIONS AFTER. UM, NO, NOT AT THIS TIME. OKAY. UM, CAN WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT THEN NOW, ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, PLEASE COME TO THE MICROPHONE. WE RECEIVED ONE PUBLIC COMMENT FROM JEANIE WILLIAMS. JEANIE WILLIAMS, IF YOU COULD PLEASE STEP FORWARD, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY. I, I, I AM UNDER THREE MINUTES THIS TIME, . OKAY. SO, AND COULD, I'M SORRY, COULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND, UH, YOUR AD, YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? UM, I'M SORRY, WHAT NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. OKAY. JEAN WILLIAMS. I'M REPRESENTING THE LOS CERRITOS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. I'M ALSO A RESIDENT AT 4 2 2 8 PINE AVENUE. 9 0 8. OH SEVEN. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, NOW WE HAVE, OH, I HAD A LONG REPORT, BUT NOW I'VE JUST MET WHO, WHO THEY'RE GONNA SUGGEST OR PROPOSE TO THE CITY COUNCIL. YOU KNOW, UM, THEY, EVERYBODY BUT US SEEMS TO KNOW WHO WON THE PROPOSALS, YOU KNOW, AND IF WE HAD BEEN INCLUDED, LIKE WE'VE ASKED SINCE 2019, WE COULD HAVE ELIMINATED A LOT OF MISUNDERSTANDINGS. NOW, I'M IN FAVOR OF COURSE OF THE MOTION TONIGHT FOR THE EXTERIOR, BUT I THINK I AM ADAMANT ABOUT DECIDING ABOUT THE INTERIOR TONIGHT. THERE ARE ELEMENTS THAT SHOULD BE OFF LIMITS TO DEVELOPERS ON THE INTERIOR. THAT BEING, IF YOU GAVE THE LIST OF WHAT THEY WERE WILLING, THE STAFF'S WILLING TO COMPROMISE. NO, YOU LOOK AT THE RECEPTION ROOM FIREPLACE AND BUILT-INS, NO, THE WHOLE ROOM, THAT'S JUST AN OUTSIDE WALL THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. BASICALLY [01:20:01] THE APPARATUS, ENGINE ROOM, TRUSS CEILING NEEDS AGAIN TO BE THE WHOLE ROOM. THE FIREHOUSE TOWER, ALSO WHAT'S INSIDE THE TOWER, YOU KNOW, THE PULLEY, ALL OF THAT, UM, THE VAULT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE OF MY FAVORITE THINGS OF VAULT AS HOW THAT COULD BE A GREAT MARKETING TOUR. I, I KNOW YOU HAVE GOTTEN TWO LETTERS FROM ME THAT ARE IN GREAT, GREAT DETAIL, SO I DON'T WANNA WASTE TIME ON, ON, ON THAT. BUT ALSO, LIKE THE STAIR RAIL THAT CAN BE RESTORED. UM, THE FIRST FLOOR DOORS CAN BE RESTORED AND REUSED AND, AND DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE NOT AWARE THE AMERICAN DISABILITIES ACT FOR ANYBODY THAT WOULD WANT TO REUSE IT. OF COURSE, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT ON REASONABLE IN, IN THAT FACT THAT THIS HAS TO BE ADJUSTED. WE ARE WILLING TO WORK WITH SOMEONE AND NOW MEETING WHO IS GONNA GIVE THE PROPOSAL? THEY'RE GREAT, BUT I NEED FOR YOU TO NOT WAIT 90 DAYS. WHEN YOU WAIT 90 DAYS TO, TO DECIDE ON WHAT ON THE INTERIOR SHOULD BE SAVED, THEN YOU ARE GIVING THE DEVELOPERS, TELLING YOU, YOU KNOW, WHAT SHOULD BE HISTORIC AND IT BECOMES AN ECONOMIC ISSUE. WE WANT IT TO STAY A HISTORICAL ISSUE. THAT WOULD BE YOU TELLING THE DEVELOPER WHAT IS HISTORIC. AND IT NEEDS TO BE DECIDED TONIGHT BECAUSE GIVING IT A 90 DAY LEEWAY, YOU'RE GIVING THE DEVELOPERS THEN THE LEEWAY, YOU KNOW, TO TELL YOU AND CITY COUNCIL AND INFLUENCE THEM. AND WE'RE NOT, I DON'T THINK WE'RE BEING UNREASONABLE. THAT WHOLE SECOND FLOOR, YOU KNOW, WE, WE KNOW THE LEAKING NOW IS FROM THE, THE BATHROOM, THE CITY BUILT ON THE SECOND FLOOR, AS WELL AS THE WASHROOM, WHICH WAS A WASHING MACHINE FOR PIECE SAKES. AND THEN WE HAVE UPSTAIRS DOOR, WHICH WAS ONE OF THE WINDOWS THAT HAD BEEN REPLACED. YOU KNOW, THIS CAN ALL BE RESOLVED, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S UNIMPORTANT. BUT THE IMPORTANT THINGS ARE, WHAT I HAVE INCLUDED THERE, UM, AND ALL, UH, UH, PROPOSALS, THE PROSPECTIVE BUYERS WERE, IT WAS DISCLOSED TO THEM AS THEY WERE DOING THIS, THAT THIS HISTORICAL NOMINATION HAD BEEN SUBMITTED BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. NOW ALSO, AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO REITERATE THAT YOU'LL SEE IN, IN THE STAFF, UH, LETTER THAT THEY GO THIS 90 DAY, UM, UH, TRIAL PERIOD, WHATEVER YOUR DISCUSSION PERIOD WOULD BE BETWEEN YOU, IT WOULD BE THE STAFF CITY COUNCIL, ONCE AGAIN, LEAVING OUT THE NEIGHBORS, YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBORHOOD LEAVING US OUT OF THE DISCUSSION WHEN THIS IS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, THIS IS OUR BUILDING. OKAY? ALSO, DO, UH, I'M NOT QUITE SURE YOU ARE AWARE THAT, UH, THE NATIONAL NEW DEAL PRESERVATION ASSOCIATION, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION, YOU KNOW, YOU RECEIVE FEDERAL MONEY OR THE CITY RECEIVED FEDERAL MONEY FOR THIS. THEY ARE ALSO ARE WATCHING AS, AS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING WITH THE WPA BUILDING. THEY'RE, THEY WANT TO RESERVE EVERYTHING. SO ANYWAY, I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE THIS SHOULD BE A NEGOTIATION WITH THE, UM, THE DEVELOPERS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. THANK YOU. NEXT PERSON, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. LOUISE IVERS, VICE PRESIDENT FOR ADVOCACY, LONG BEACH HERITAGE LIVE AT 1837 EAST SIXTH STREET. AND WE PRETTY MUCH AGREE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION THAT IF YOU LET THE INTERIOR SLIDE NOW, IT COULD GO DOWN THE DRAIN. UM, IT WOULD BE PREFERABLE MAYBE NOT TO SAVE ABSOLUTELY EVERY PIECE OF THE INTERIOR, BUT CERTAINLY THE SIGNIFICANT CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES. AND SURELY WE DO WANT YOU TO LANDMARK THE BUILDING. UM, THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE ACTUALLY MIGHT BE SAVING A PIECE OF HISTORY AGAIN. AND, UH, THE FIRE STATION CERTAINLY REPRESENTS NOT ONLY CONSTRUCTION BY THE WPA, BUT ALTHOUGH EVERYBODY SEEMS TO BE DENIGRATING. HORACE AUSTIN, HE WAS THE MOST FAMOUS ARCHITECT IN LONG BEACH, AND HE DID WORK OUTSIDE OF LONG BEACH AS WELL. AND A CITY HALL THAT HE DESIGNED IN SANTA ANA IS A HISTORIC LANDMARK THERE, AND IT IS S STILL . UH, SO AUSTIN HAD A PRETTY WIDE REPUTATION. HE WASN'T JUST SOME LOCAL BUMBLING ARCHITECT. UM, HE WAS DESCRIBED AS THE DEAN OF ARCHITECTS WHEN HE DIED IN HIS OBITUARY IN THE PRESS TELEGRAM. SO, UH, WE ARE HOPING THAT YOU WILL MAKE THIS BUILDING A CITY LANDMARK. IT'S CERTAINLY DISTURBING OF THAT. AND ALTHOUGH THE WINDOWS HAVE BEEN REPLACED, THEY CAN EASILY BE RESTORED TWO WINDOWS THAT LOOK LIKE THE ORIGINAL ONES. UM, THE OTHER PLAQUE WAS STOLEN BY SOME HARD THIEF, AND HOPEFULLY THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO BE REPLICATED AS WELL. BUT IT WOULD BE REALLY NICE IF THE RECEPTION ROOM, AS IT WAS CALLED, COULD BE KEPT INTACT. THAT'S THE PLACE WITH THE FIREPLACE [01:25:01] AND THE BUILT-IN SHELVES. UH, CERTAINLY THE CEILING OF THE ROOM WHERE THE FIRE ENGINES WERE STORED. IT'S A GREAT WOODEN TRUSS CEILING. AND YES, I'VE LOOKED UP INSIDE THAT TOWER MYSELF, AND CERTAINLY THAT'S WORTHY OF PRESERVING AS WELL. SO, UH, HOPEFULLY YOU WILL DECLARE THIS A HISTORIC LONG BEACH LANDMARK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. IS THERE ANYONE ELSES FROM THE PUBLIC IN THE CHAMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT AT THIS TIME? DO WE HAVE ANYBODY VIRTUALLY? IF YOU ARE JOINING US VIRTUALLY AND WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE USE THE RAISE HAND FUNCTION AT THIS TIME. IF JOINING TELEPHONICALLY, PLEASE PRESS NINE STAR NINE AT THIS TIME. THERE APPEARS TO BE NO PUBLIC COMMENT. UM, WE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL PERSON. COULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND WHERE YOU LIVE, PLEASE? OKAY. HELLO, UM, GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS CATHERINE TOLENTINO. UM, I'M AT, UH, THIR 1356 WEST B STREET, LONG BEACH, CALIFORNIA 9 0 8 1 0. UM, MY BROTHERS AND I ARE ACTUALLY THE ONES WHO ARE CHOSEN TO ACQUIRE FIRE STATION NINE. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL FOR THAT OPPORTUNITY. UM, UH, WE'RE PART OF JAMAY BAKE SHOP. UM, OUR BUSINESS HAS BEEN IN LONG BEACH FOR OVER 30 YEARS, AND WE SEE A LOT OF POTENTIAL IN FIREHOUSE NINE. UM, WE THINK THAT PRESERVING THE HISTORY IS VERY IMPORTANT. YOU KNOW, WE DEFINITELY RESPECT THE COMMISSION'S MISSION AS WELL AS THE LOS CERRITOS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION'S MISSION TO PRESERVE AS MUCH OF THE HISTORICAL ELEMENTS AS AS WE CAN. AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT WE REALLY JUST WANNA WORK TOGETHER TO TRY TO FIND A BALANCE THAT BOTH HIGHLIGHTS LONG BEACH'S RICH HISTORY, THIS BUILDING'S RICH HISTORY, AND TO PROVIDE A, A FUNCTIONAL AND SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR OUR STAFF AND OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. OKAY. TAKING IT BACK BEHIND THE RAIL COMMISSIONERS, WHILE UL ARE FORMING YOUR QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSION TOPICS, I JUST WANTED TO QUICKLY CLARIFY THAT, UM, THE CITY COUNCIL HASN'T MADE ANY AWARDS YET, BUT HAS AUTHORIZED NEGOTIATIONS WITH OUR LAST PLANNING OR OUR LAST PUBLIC COMMENTER. OH, EXCELLENT. I'LL COMMENT ON THE LAST COMMENTER THAT I LOVE YOUR BAKE SHOP, AND I'M SO HAPPY IF YOU COME HERE CLOSER, . THANK YOU. OKAY, COMMISSIONER'S DISCUSSION, COMMISSIONER BODAK. UH, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU TO THE TOLENTINO FAMILY. IT ACTUALLY HELPED THAT THERE WAS A, UH, SKETCH IN OUR PACKET SO THAT WE COULD COMPARE A BEFORE AND AFTER. ALSO, THANK YOU, UM, TO STAFFER MARYANNE CRONIN FOR, UH, GIVING US OPTIONS IN OUR RECOMMENDATION. YOU HAD A STANDARD RECOMMENDATION OF THE EXTERIOR, AND THEN YOU FURTHER GAVE US SUGGESTIONS IF WE WANTED TO GO FURTHER. SO I DO APPRECIATE THAT AS WELL. I, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED AS TO WHAT IT MEANS TO SAVE THE BUILT-IN FIREPLACE AND BOOKCASES VERSUS THE RECEPTION ROOM. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE I SEE IN THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, WHICH I KNOW IS JUST VERY CONCEPTUAL, IS THE REMOVAL OF THE WALL, UH, BETWEEN THE HALLWAY ENTRANCE AND THE ROOM. SO IF WE WERE INTERESTED IN THE FIREPLACE AND THE BUILT-IN BOOKSHELVES, HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT THAN THE RECEPTION ROOM? I THINK THE RECOMMENDATION IS MORE SO TO BE VERY PRECISE WITH THE INTERIOR ELEMENTS TO ALLOW FOR IF THE RECEPTION ROOM PARTITION WALLS WOULD NEED TO BE RECONFIGURED. IT NO LONGER BECOMES A RECEPTION ROOM IS MORE OF AN OPEN AREA. SO THE INTERIOR ELEMENTS WERE MORE PRECISELY IDENTIFIED TO ALLOW FOR ADAPTIVE REUSE, UM, BECAUSE IT IS ENVISIONED THAT WHATEVER A FUTURE FLOOR PLAN, WHETHER IT BE THIS APPLICANT OR THE PUBLIC COMMENT OR SOMEBODY ELSE IS TO PRECISELY IDENTIFY WHICH INTERIOR ELEMENTS VERSUS, UM, A ROOM IN GENERAL. UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. THAT WAS HELPFUL. YOUR ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS RAN THE GAMUT OF IDENTIFYING THREE SPECIFIC THINGS. AND COULD YOU REPEAT THOSE FOR US [01:30:03] FOR THE RECOMMENDATION FOR IF WE DID MOVE FORWARD WITH THE INTERIOR? THAT WOULD BE THE RECEPTION ROOM FIREPLACE AND BUILT-INS, THE APPARATUS, ENGINE ROOM, WOOD, TRUSS CEILING, AND THEN THE FIRE HOSE TOWER. UM, THE INTERIOR ELEMENTS AT THE SECOND, YOU CAN REALLY ONLY SEE THEM FROM THE SECOND FLOOR PLEASANTLY. OKAY. PRESENTLY. AND THEN YOU ALSO SUGGESTED PHOTOGRAPHY AND SALVAGING IF THERE WERE ADDITIONAL ITEMS THAT THE COMMISSION WAS INTERESTED IN. CORRECT, YES, BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION FROM THE THIRD PARTY DID INCLUDE THINGS SUCH AS ORIGINAL DOORS AND FIXTURES, UM, MORE THINGS THAT IT MAY HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN MODIFIED OVER TIME, UM, ON ELEMENTS. UM, THE VAULT IS ACTUALLY A, A ROOM. UM, SO RIGHT NOW THAT'S, UM, EVEN THOUGH THIS IS STILL NOT GRANTED TO THIS APPLICANT, THAT'S A, IT'S A ROOM, IT'S A HARDER THING TO PRESERVE. UM, THE LOCKERS ARE THINGS THAT COULD BE REMOVED AND, UM, SALVAGED SOMEWHERE ELSE OR IN SOME TYPE OF OTHER CAPACITY. AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE LOCKERS IN THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, UH, WITH THE PROPOSER THAT IS IN THE PROCESS OF AN ENA , UH, IS TO BE USED FOR DRY STORAGE. I, I DON'T, I, AND I SEE THAT THE EXISTING WASHROOM WOULD BECOME DRY STORAGE AS WELL. UM, SO HOW DO WE ACCOMMODATE, UH, RESTROOMS IN THE NEW, UH, BUSINESS AND WHAT WOULD THAT DO TO THE, THIS LAYOUT? SO THIS LAYOUT WAS SUBMITTED AS A PUBLIC COMMENT, SO, UH, IT WASN'T RECEIVED BY STAFF PRIOR. SO THIS ALSO HAS TO GO THROUGH BUILDING AND SAFETY REVIEW FOR COMPLIANCE WITH NOT ONLY THE, UM, BUILDING AND SAFETY REQUIREMENTS FOR A DA, BUT ALSO, UH, HEALTH. UM, SO IF THIS IS GONNA BE THE FUTURE USE OR ANY FUTURE USE, THERE WOULD NEED TO BE MODERNIZATIONS TO ASSURE ACCESS FOR ALL, INCLUDING RESTROOMS FOR ALL. SO, UM, THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY THE FLOOR PLAN THAT WOULD BE MOVING FORWARD. IT IS JUST AN EXAMPLE THAT THE PERSPECTIVE BUYER WANTED TO PROVIDE CONTEXT FOR THE CHC, AND IF WE LANDMARK IT, THEY WOULD BE AFFORDED THE HISTORIC BUILDING CODE. THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING, IF IT IS A LANDMARK. OKAY. AND IF IT IS LANDMARKED AND ANY FUTURE USER COMES ALONG, WHETHER IT'S THIS U USE OR ANOTHER USE, I, I'M ASSUMING THAT THERE'S GONNA HAVE TO BE SOME MODIFICATIONS FOR A DA RAMPS AT THE FRONT. DO THEY THEN HAVE TO COME BACK TO US, OR DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAY, NOW IF WE CHOOSE TO LAND MARKET, WE KNOW YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO MODIFY IT? HOW DO WE HOW DOES THAT GET HANDLED? UM, THAT'S A, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. SO, UH, THERE ARE THINGS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, BY LAW WE'RE, WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO SUCH AS A DA REQUIREMENTS. UH, SO WE DO HAVE TO AUTHORIZE THOSE THINGS LIKE THAT ARE THINGS THAT WE COULD DO, UH, AT STAFF LEVEL, UH, ON THE INTERIOR. IF THERE ARE, UH, FEATURES THAT ULTIMATELY GET, UH, PROTECTED, UH, THINGS LIKE THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK. SO IF SOMETHING WAS IDENTIFIED TONIGHT AS, UH, ON THE INTERIOR TO BE PROTECTED SOME, AND IF THERE WAS REMOVAL OF THAT OR RELOCATION OF THAT, THEN SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD, WOULD COME BACK TO, TO THIS COMMISSION. SO THE EXTERIOR RAMP MAY OR MAY NOT BE REQUIRED UNDER THE HISTORIC BUILDING CODE IS, OR IS IT ALWAYS REQUIRED? UH, I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE. UH, THERE'S SORT OF A BALANCE WITH, UM, BUT I'M PER, BUT I WOULD SUSPECT THAT IT DOES. UM, I KNOW WE'VE DONE 'EM IN THE PAST FOR, UH, OTHER BUILDINGS, COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, UH, AS WELL AS RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS. UM, AND OFTEN, UH, IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS VOLUNTARILY REQUESTED, UH, JUST TO, UH, ACCOMMODATE, UH, THE PUBLIC AS WELL AS OTHER REASONS. OKAY, THANK YOU COMM. ANYONE ACROSS, UH, COMMISSIONER AFFI? SO TO FOLLOW BACK ON COMMISSIONER BRODICK'S QUESTION, YOU KNOW, IF WE DID DO A RAMP, WHICH IS LIKELY AT THE FRONT, IT IS GOING TO, UM, IT'S GONNA CHANGE THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING, WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT. AND IS THAT GONNA BECOME A PROBLEM BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY, WE'RE ALREADY GONNA, YOU KNOW, AGREE TO MAKE IT A HISTORIC LANDMARK, UH, THE EXTERIOR AT LEAST. SO GENERALLY SPEAKING, UM, ONCE A STRUCTURE IS LANDMARKED, ANY CHANGE TO THE EXTERIOR REQUIRES OR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND, UM, WOULD COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION. UM, WE'RE STILL GOING BACK AND FORTH. I DO BELIEVE SOMETIMES, UM, AN A DA RAMP COULD BE AN EXCEPTION BECAUSE OF IT'S, YOU [01:35:01] KNOW, BEING REQUIRED AND, AND THE NATURE OF IT BEING, UM, NOT, UM, ON THE BUILDING ITSELF. BUT, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, ONCE IT'S LANDMARKED, UM, THOSE CHANGES DO HAVE TO BE APPROVED THROUGH THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. MM-HMM, , UM, TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE LANDMARK ORDINANCES. ALRIGHT. AND THEN I HAD ANOTHER QUESTION. UM, WHATEVER THIS BECOMES, UM, IF WE DECIDE TO INCLUDE THOSE EXTRA ITEMS, THE, THE TOWER, THE TRUSSES AND THE FIREPLACE, UM, DOES COVERING THEM UP, DOES THAT MEAN THAT THEY'RE BEING, YOU KNOW, STILL RESTORED OR, I MEAN, DOES THAT MEAN THEY'RE BEING PROTECTED? LIKE, SO IF YOU HAVE A, I'M JUST, JUST IN THIS EXAMPLE, THERE'S, IT'S A BAKERY PRODUCTION THAT HAS TO BE A PRETTY CLAY CLEAN AREA IF THEY DO A DROP CEILING, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. ARE WE, ARE WE CONSIDERED PRESERVING THOSE TRUSSES? OR IS THAT, IS THAT NOT THE CASE? YEAH, I THINK, UH, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S, UH, I THINK THAT'S A QUESTION FOR THE COMMISSION. SO, UM, YOU CAN MAKE THAT AS PART OF A, OF A CONDITION IN THIS SITUATION. UH, PRESERVING REALLY MEANS, YOU KNOW, PRESERVING, UH, RESTORING MAINTENANCE UNDER THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, UM, SORT OF ISOLATING SOMETHING AWAY WITH THE WALL IS TECHNICALLY, UH, PRESERVING SOMETHING, BUT IT'S NOT, UM, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE WHOLE, UM, HISTORIC PRESERVATION SORT OF EFFORT IS TO HAVE SOME VISIBILITY TO IT, UM, SOME PUBLIC ENJOYMENT OF IT. UM, SO PUTTING IT BEHIND A WALL PROBABLY WOULD NOT MEET THAT CRITERIA UNLESS THERE WAS SPECIFIC, UH, PARAMETERS, UH, IN ORDER TO DO THAT, THAT WOULD KEEP IT IN PLACE, PRESERVE IT, AND MAYBE AT A FUTURE DATE, UM, OPEN IT BACK UP. AND YOU MENTIONED THE DROP CEILING PIECE. IF, IF THIS PROPOSAL DOES GO FORWARD, I WOULD, I WOULD ENVISION THAT THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD NEED THAT TO MEET HEALTH CODE AND OTHER THINGS, AND THAT'S PART OF WHY STAFF HAD RECOMMENDED MOVING FORWARD WITH THE EXTERIOR. BUT MAYBE COMING BACK ON THE INTERIOR PIECE ONCE IT IS CERTAIN, UM, UM, THE DISPOSITION PROCESS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE IN COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ARE KIND OF KEPT OUT OF THAT PROCESS, GENERALLY SPEAKING AS THAT'S GOING FORWARD, UM, AND THROUGH THE COUNCIL. SO, UM, WE, WE SAW THAT FLOOR PLAN FOR THE FIRST TIME WHEN UL DID, UH, WHEN IT WAS SUBMITTED AS PUBLIC COMMENT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE COULD STILL DO KIND OF IF THENS AND DO OUR BEST TO DO IT NOW, BUT IT MAY END UP NEEDING A, A TRIP BACK TO LOOK, LOOK AT HOW THE ORDINANCE IS FRAMED WHEN WE'RE NOT SURE YET WHAT THAT, UM, FLOOR, FLOOR PLAN MAY NEED TO BE. COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER MCGUIRE WOULD LIKE TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT FOR STAFF. IT SEEMS THAT WE'RE STILL PUTTING THE CARD IN FRONT OF THE HORSE. THIS SEEMS A LITTLE BIT PREMATURE TO BE, UM, HANDICAPPING THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT BEFORE WE HAVE THE BUYER CONFIRMED. AND THEN, OF COURSE, THE PROPOSAL THAT THEY WOULD RECOMMEND IN TERMS OF THEIR OPERATION AND BUSINESS. UM, WE CAN GO BACK AND FORTH WITH EVERY ITEM. IT COULD BE WOOD TRIM REPLACING EXISTING OR WINDOWS THAT HAVE BEEN REPLACED IN THE PAST. BUT IN ESSENCE, MY SUBSTITUTE MOTION WOULD BE JUST TO RECEIVE AND FILE UNTIL WE HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THIS PROJECT, AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS IT FURTHER. I WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE TO DO A WALKTHROUGH OF THIS PROPERTY. I DID SEE QUITE A FEW PICTURES, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND THE GRAVITY OF, OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, UH, OF THE IMPORTANCE, THE SIGNIFICANCE OF LET'S SAY A LOCKER ROOM, THE BATHROOM, THAT SORT OF THING. BUT, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WOULD CONSIDER THAT, OR WE WOULD JUST PLOW THROUGH AND MAKE STAFF RECOMMENDATION HERE. THANK YOU. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'VE PUT FORWARD A SUBSTITUTE MOTION AND THAT SUBSTITUTE MOTION IS TO JUST RECEIVE AND FILE THE ENTIRETY OF THE APPLICATION. DO YOU MEAN THAT AS IT RELATES TO THE EXTERIOR LANDMARKING AND THE INTERIOR LANDMARKING? UM, TO BE CLEAR, WE'VE, WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED AND, AND VOTED ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH WE DESIGNATED AS A LANDMARK, SO THAT IS COMPLETE, CORRECT? NO. SO YOU'RE COMING BACK TONIGHT TO ADOPT THOSE FINDINGS AND TO MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL. SO THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO, TO CLARIFY. OKAY. SO, SO IF THAT, IF THAT WASN'T, THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING. SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN I WOULD HAVE TO SAY THAT WE WOULD JUST, UM, UH, RECEIVE AND FILE THE FULL APPLICANT UNTIL WE HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT, UH, THE OWNER, WHO THAT MAY BE. AND THEN OF COURSE, MAYBE EVEN DO A LITTLE BIT FURTHER INVESTIGATIONS OF, OF SOME OF THE SIGNIFICANT ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE PRESERVED OR AT LEAST DISCUSSED AT THE NEXT CHC MEETING. SO MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE MOTION THAT'S CURRENTLY BEFORE US IS THE RECOMMENDATION, UM, WHICH IS TO [01:40:01] MAKE ALL NECESSARY FINDINGS AND TO RECOMMEND THE EXTERIOR LANDMARKING OF THE BUILDING AND CAN KIND OF END, STOP LIKE THAT IS THE ENTIRETY OF THE MOTION AS IT EXISTS CURRENTLY ON THE FLOOR. IS THERE ANYTHING SPECIFICALLY THAT YOU'RE SEEKING TO ADD TO THAT MS, TO, TO, UH, COMMISSIONER MCG GU? UM, AGAIN, FROM WHAT I REVIEWED IN OUR, OUR PACKET, YOU KNOW, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME, SOME PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT THE EXTERIOR WINDOWS AND SOME OTHER ITEMS THAT MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS INCLUDED IN THE LANDMARK, UM, SCOPE OF, OF WHAT THE OWN, THE NEW OWNER WILL BE REQUIRED TO REPLACE, IF THAT IS THE CASE. SO WOULD IT BE HELPFUL TO PROVIDE A LITTLE CLARITY ON WHAT THE IMPLICATION IS IF IT'S JUST AN EXTERIOR LANDMARK FOR NOW? UM, SO, SO BASICALLY LAST, LAST TIME WE WERE HERE, WE GOT DIRECTION FROM THE COMMISSION TO COME BACK, UM, WITH, UM, ALL THE FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS REQUIRED TO, UM, LANDMARK THE EXTERIOR AND OPTIONS FOR THE INTERIOR, RIGHT? SO WE'VE GOT THE, NOW WE'VE GOT THE FINDINGS, UM, IN PLACE AND THE ABILITY TO DO THE EXTERIOR. WHAT I THINK I'M, I'M HEARING FROM YOU IS AN INTEREST IN, IN MOVING FORWARD, BUT, UM, THE, THE QUESTION RELATED TO THE WINDOW PIECE, COULD YOU STATE THAT PIECE AGAIN? UH, VICE CHAIR? UM, AGAIN, PART OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT WAS THAT THERE ARE SOME AREAS OF THE EXTERIOR THAT ALSO WE MIGHT HAVE, UM, UH, DID NOT THOROUGHLY VENT IF THAT WOULD BE THE, THE CASE. BUT, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF THE LANDMARK STATUS, I BELIEVE THEN THE NEW OWNER WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY SORT OF REPLACEMENT TO THE PERIOD OR, OR ORIGINAL COMPONENT. BUT AT THE SAME TIME AS, UM, IF WE JUST DO HALF OF THIS LANDMARK PROCESS AND THEN COME BACK AND DO THE SECOND, THE INTERIOR, UM, WHY DON'T WE JUST TABLE AND GO BACK AND, AND UNTIL THE, UNTIL THE, SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS ARE ANSWERED, LIKE, WHO WAS GONNA BE THE OWNER, WHAT IS THEIR INTENT OF THE PROPERTY? AND THEN EVENTUALLY DI DISCUSS ON WHAT WE WANT TO PRESERVE WITHIN THE, UH, INTERIOR AS WELL. BECAUSE AS MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER GFI MENTIONED ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TRUSSES, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME SIGNIFICANT VALUE AND IF THEY'RE GONNA BE COVERED UP, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT IS IT JUST SEEMS THERE'S MANY ITEMS THAT, THAT NEED TO BE LOOKED AT UNDER THIS LANDMARKING THAT RIGHT NOW WE'RE ONLY JUST TAKING JUST A, A FEW OF THESE ITEMS. AND I, I FEEL THAT IT'S AT THIS TIME JUST TO, JUST TO PICK THREE OUT OF 50, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, YOU KNOW, EFFECTIVE AND, AND GOOD GOVERNANCE. I'M SORRY IF WE'RE ASKING YOU A LOT OF QUESTIONS, BUT I JUST REALLY WANNA BE CLEAR. UM, SO WHEN YOU SAY PUT EVERYTHING ON PAUSE, ARE YOU TALKING, IT SOUNDED TO ME IN YOUR, UM, COMMENTS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BOTH THE EXTERIOR AND THE INTERIOR LANDMARKING. YES, I WOULD INCLUDE BOTH OF THOSE AT THE SAME TIME. AND IF IT DOES TAKE MORE THAN 30 DAYS, OR ACTUALLY WE'RE NOT GONNA BE IN, IN IN SESSION NEXT MONTH, BUT UNTIL THE, THE, THE FINALITY OF THE, THE NEW OWNER AND THEN THE, UM, THE PROPOSALS THAT THEY'RE GONNA OFFER TO THE, TO THE CITY, THEN WE CAN WORK WITH THEM TO TRY TO DO OUR BEST WITH THE COMMUNITY TO PRESERVE AS MUCH AS WE CAN, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME AS, AS MAKING SURE THAT THAT BUSINESS IS ALSO GONNA BE SUCCESSFUL. SO MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION, I'M SORRY, I JUST REALLY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR, BUT THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION YOU'RE PROPOSING IS TO BASICALLY PUT THE HEARING ON HOLD UNTIL THE LAND, UNTIL THE TRANSFER, THE PROPERTY, UM, TRANSACTION IS COMPLETED, AND THEN TO BRING THE ITEM BACK BEFORE CHC FOR CONSIDERATION OF EXTERIOR AND INTERIOR LANDMARKING FOR RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL. YES, THAT IS MY, MY SUBSTITUTE MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND ON THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION? UM, I HAVE, UH, A DIFFERENT SUBSTITUTE MOTION. HOW WOULD I DO THAT? SO WE TAKE THEM ONE IN TIME. OKAY. SO WE HAVE UNTIL WE HIT THREE, AND THEN WE SLOWLY UNWRAP EACH OF THEM. OKAY. SO WE HAVE OUR FIRST SUBSTITUTE MOTION, WHICH REQUIRES A SECOND. SO IN ORDER FOR THIS TO BE A VIABLE SUBSTITUTE MOTION, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND IF THERE'S A SECOND TO THE MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? UH, COMMISSIONER KFI, UM, SINCE I MADE THE INITIAL MOTION, DO [01:45:01] I HAVE A MOTION? NO, THIS IS A, THIS, SO THIS IS A SECOND DISTINCTION. THIS IS NOT A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. IT'S JUST A, A, A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, UM, MOTION. SO THE WAY THAT SUBSTITUTES WORK IS THAT YOU CAN MAKE AN ALTERNATIVE MOTION. THEY LAY OVER EACH OTHER AND WE WILL VOTE THEM OFF IN OPPOSITE ORDER. SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE A RUSSIAN NESTING DOLL. WE HAVE OUR INITIAL MOTION, ANOTHER MOTION WILL COME AROUND IT, ANOTHER MOTION CAN COME AROUND IT, AND THEN WE'LL PEEL THEM OFF ONE BY ONE, WHICH IS IMPORTANT, I THINK, AS YOU'RE VOTING AND CONSIDERING THEM. SO JUST THAT'S A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF HOW SUBSTITUTE MOTIONS WORK. THAT IS THE BEST DESCRIPTION I HAVE EVER HEARD, IN 30 YEARS OF GOVERNMENT, OF A SUBSTITUTE MOTION PROCESS, . AND, UH, AND THE RULE OF THREE, THAT INCLUDES THE ORIGINAL MOTION AS WELL? YES. SO IT'S AN ORIGINAL MOTION PLUS TWO SUBSTITUTES, AND THEN WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING MORE UNTIL WE VOTE OFF, UNTIL WE CLEAN OFF SOME SUBSTITUTES THE FIRST SUBSTITUTE, THEN WE CAN PUT ANOTHER ONE ON. THAT'S RIGHT. DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER WAN? OKAY. SO WE CAN ENTERTAIN ADDITIONAL MOTIONS, UM, OR FURTHER DISCUSSION. UM, I'LL START. SO, UM, THIS IS A VERY COMPLICATED PROJECT BECAUSE IT WAS A FIREHOUSE AND YOU'RE TRYING TO DO ADAPTIVE REUSE, UM, WITH A HISTORIC PROPERTY. AND I THINK THAT THE, UM, THE ORIGINAL LANDMARKING, I THINK IS VERY JUSTIFIED IN THE IDEA THAT, UH, IT SHOULD, THAT THEY SHOULD TRY TO, UM, PRESERVE ESPECIALLY THE EXTERNAL ELEMENTS AND RETURN THEM, LIKE SAY THE WINDOWS. LIKE, UM, MS. IVERS SAID AS FAR AS THE INTERIOR, I'M WONDERING IF WE CAN, UM, IF PART OF THE MOTION WOULD BE THAT THOSE THREE PARTICULAR ELEMENTS BE CONSIDERED AS BEST AS POSSIBLE AND CONSIDERING THE USAGE OF THE BUILDING THAT THEY BE PRESERVED IN EITHER, UM, EITHER REUSED OR KEPT IN PLACE IN, UH, WHATEVER MAN MANNER THAT COULD HAPPEN, UM, WITHOUT PUTTING, UM, DOING AN ADAMANT KIND OF THING THAT IT MUST BE USED EXACTLY IN A CERTAIN WAY. DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? SO THAT THERE WOULD BE AN EFFORT MADE TO INTEGRATE WITH THE PROPOSED USE TO PRESERVE AND USE WHATEVER COULD BE. BUT, UM, UH, THINGS LIKE DOORS AND A DA AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS IN ORDER TO TRANSFORM IT INTO A COMMERCIALLY VIABLE, UM, PROPERTY, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT HOW HARD IT IS TO DO ADAPTIVE REUSE. AND THE MORE WE CAN ENCOURAGE ADAPTIVE REUSE, THAT IS PART OF OUR MISSION HERE, IS THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND AND REALIZE THAT THESE ARE IMPORTANT BUILDINGS AND THAT WE SHOULD TRY TO, UH, WORK AS BEST WE CAN TO PRESERVE WHAT WE CAN, BUT UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, THAT IT CANNOT ALWAYS BE EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT. SO I'M NOT SURE HOW TO PUT THAT INTO A PROPOSAL OR A MOTION. UM, I THINK THAT, UM, HOW TO WORD THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT. SO THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH, UM, YES. THROUGH LEGAL. SO, WELL, I I REALLY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND THE INTENTIONALITY OF WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE SEEKING. YES. THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING FOR ME. I'M, I'M NOT SHAPE YOU OF OUR POLICY MAKERS OR POLICY RECOMMENDERS, AND I AM NOT. SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I AM, WE'RE ARTICULATING WHAT YOU'RE SEEKING HERE. SO AGAIN, I LIKE TO DRAW IT BACK TO THE MOTION THAT'S IN FRONT OF US AND THEN TO DISTINGUISH IT BY WHAT YOU'RE SEEKING. I THINK THAT'S A HELPFUL WAY FOR ALL OF US TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENTIATION OF THE MOTION. BECAUSE THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION MUST BE DIFFERENT. YES. AND THE MOTION THAT'S IN FRONT OF US. SO THE CURRENT MOTION IS TO LANDMARK THE EXTERIOR YES. AND THEN TO COME BACK FOR A SEPARATE CONVERSATION AROUND INTERIOR AT, AT A DIFFERENT POINT IN TIME. BUT YOU'RE SAYING TONIGHT YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE SOME DETERMINATIONS AROUND THE INTERIOR. IS THAT ACCURATE? YES. OKAY. AND THAT THOSE DETERMINATIONS CAN RANGE FROM PRESERVATION AND ADAPT AND REUSE. UM, HAVE YOU SPECIFIED WHICH ITEMS YOU ARE SEEKING TO PRESERVE, UM, AND SEEKING TO HAVE REUSE FOR? I WOULD SUGGEST THE THREE ITEMS THAT THE CITY HAS RECOMMENDED AND THAT ANY OTHER IMPORTANT, UM, UH, THINGS SUCH AS DOORS OR THE LOCKERS OR THINGS LIKE THAT, IF THEY CANNOT BE, UH, ADAPTIVELY REUSED THAT THEY AT LEAST BE PHOTOGRAPHED AND THERE'S A HISTORIC, UM, RECORD OF THEM THAT PERHAPS WOULD BE USED IN THAT BUILDING. OKAY. SO MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE SUBSIDY MO SUBSTITUTE MOTION IS TO MOVE FORWARD, UM, WITH THE RECOMMENDATION AS IT RELATES TO THE EXTERIOR [01:50:01] LANDMARKING DECISION. UM, AND THEN THE INTERIOR, YOU'RE SUGGESTING THAT THE THREE ITEMS IDENTIFIED BY STAFF, WHICH IS THE, UM, THE FIREPLACE AND BUILT-INS IN THE RECEPTION ROOM, THE WOOD RES CEILING AND THE TOWER RADIO BE PRESERVED, AND THAT ANY OF THE OTHER, UM, ITEMS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE APPLICATION THAT THEY LOOK AT REUSE AND IF REUSE IS NOT POSSIBLE, THAT THEY BE PHOTOGRAPHED AND DOCUMENTED FOR PRESERVATION'S SAKE. YES. OKAY. MAY I ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION? YES, PLEASE. IS THE BUILT-INS JUST THE BOOKCASES AND NOT THE BLACKBOARD? YES. THANK YOU. CAN YOU REPEAT THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION? I SURE CAN. . OKAY. SO THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION I HAVE IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO REVIEW THE LANDMARK NOMINATION BACKGROUND MATERIALS, MAKE ALL APPROPRIATE FINDINGS, AND RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY COUNCIL DESIGNATE THE EXTERIOR OF THE FORMER FIRE STATION NINE BUILDING, UM, FOR LANDMARKING RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL. IN ADDITION, THE COMMISSION IS RECOMMENDING THE LANDMARKING OF THE RECEPTION ROOM FIREPLACE AND BUILT-INS, THE WOOD TRUS CEILING AND THE INTERIOR, THE RADIO, THE RADIO TOWER INTERIOR FOR PRESERVATION AND FOR INTERIOR LANDMARKING. AND THAT THE COMMISSION RECOMMEND THAT THE, UM, OTHER FEATURES IDENTIFIED IN THE LANDMARKING APPLICATION BE ADAPTIVELY REUSED, AND IF THEY CANNOT BE REUSED, THAT THEY BE PHOTOGRAPHED IN ORDER TO PRES TO, TO KIND OF, UM, DOCUMENT AND PRESERVE. IS THAT AN ACCURATE STATEMENT? CHAIR IRVINE , YES. GREAT. . HAVE A SECOND ON THAT MO, ON THAT SUBSTITUTE MOTION. I WILL MAKE THE SECOND COMMISSIONER BOECK BOECK. SECONDS THERE. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION? YES, I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS, I HAVEN'T SAID A WORD. UM, THIS IS COMMISSIONER PIZZA. UM, I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL MY, UM, COMMISSIONER'S, UM, ALL THE OTHER COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS AND, UM, OUR NAVIGATING THROUGH THIS. AND I WANT TO SAY I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THAT THE POTENTIAL OWNER, UH, A BUSINESS OWNER FOR THIS BUILDING WAS HERE AND SORT OF SPOKE, AND I READ THAT LETTER AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE VERY KEEN ON TRYING TO USE AS MUCH OF THE BUILDING AS POSSIBLE. AND I'M VERY PLEASED TO TO HEAR THAT BECAUSE AS MUCH AS PROBABLY SAVING A BLACKBOARD DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A GLAMOROUS THING, UM, I THINK IT'S COOL. AND IF YOU COULD USE IT IN YOUR BUSINESS, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT. IT SOUNDS LIKE THE NEW MOTION COULD SORT OF ADDRESS THAT IN THE SENSE OF TRYING TO REUSE ALL THE COMPONENTS OF THE BUILDING AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE WITH US, US PUTTING AN ACTUAL RESTRICTION ON IT TONIGHT. SO, UM, I, I DO SORT OF SUPPORT THIS, UM, SECOND MOTION GOING FORWARD IN THE SENSE OF TRYING TO SAVE THE STAIRCASE, TRYING TO SAVE THE LOCKERS, WHICH I THINK ARE ALSO, UM, ORIGINAL AND, AND, AND VERY UNIQUE AND COOL. AND I THINK WHAT I'D LIKE TO ALSO BRING UP IS, YOU KNOW, IN THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, UM, THE IDEA OF THE MAIN SPACES LIKE THE RECEPTION, UM, ARE FIRST AND FOREMOST IN TERMS OF THE PRESERVATION OF THE INTERIORS. AND THEN THERE'S SECONDARY THINGS LIKE BACK OF HOUSE, LIKE THE LOCKERS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE BATHROOM. SO I DO THINK THE FIREPLACE IS OF UTMOST IMPORTANCE WITH THE BUILT-INS TO, TO SAVE. SO I, I DO DEFINITELY SUPPORT THAT BECAUSE IT'S A MAIN SPACE OF THE BUILDING. UM, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE OTHER ELEMENTS ALSO PRESERVED IN YOUR BUSINESS IF, IF THAT COULD HAPPEN OR ANY BUSINESS IN THE FUTURE. SO, UM, I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP AND I'M WELCOME TO HEAR OTHER COMMENTS FROM MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. AND I DO FEEL THAT THE PLAQUE SHOULD BE REPLACED ON THE EXTERIOR. SO IF WE CAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT COULD BE ADDED AS A CONDITION, THE WPA OR THE WPA, UM, PLAQUE. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. THANK YOU. OKAY. COMMISSIONERS, ANYTHING? YEAH. UM, COMMISSIONER GFI, UM, SINCE WE HAVE A POTENTIAL USER OF THE BUILDING HERE, I'D LIKE TO ASK THAT PERSON A QUESTION IS CAN I DO THAT OR IS IT TOO, ARE WE TOO LATE FOR DISCUSSION IF IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO THE COMMISSION'S DISCUSSIONS? LIKE THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S OKAY. UM, I DON'T REMEMBER YOUR NAME. SORRY. CATHERINE. CAN CATHERINE, CAN YOU COME TO THE MICROPHONE PLEASE? TO, TO CLARIFY? UM, COMMISSIONER SFA, THE PERSON YOU'RE ASKING THE QUESTION TO IS NOT THE APPLICANT FOR THE LANDMARKING. I UNDERSTAND A POTENTIAL, I DID MAKE SURE I SAID THAT THAT WAS A POTENTIAL USER. OKAY, THANK YOU. AND, AND THE SCENARIO THAT I BROUGHT UP WHERE THE ROOF MAY, YOU MAY HAVE TO PUT A DROP IN CEILING [01:55:01] TO HIDE THOSE TRUSSES. IS THERE A WAY THAT YOU CAN HAVE THAT ROOM BE OPEN AND THE TRUSSES BE EXPOSED AND STILL IT BE SERVE ITS PURPOSE? UM, I, I'M NOT SURE TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. MM-HMM. , WE WOULD HAVE TO, UM, WE HAVE TO WORK WITH AN ARCHITECT. OKAY. UM, AND WE ALSO HAVE TO GET APPROVAL FROM THE CITY. SO IN YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH YOUR CURRENT SITUATION THAT THAT HASN'T COME UP? NO. OKAY. THANK YOU. SURE. NOTHING FURTHER. MR. WE, AS A REMINDER, WE HAVE CLOSED PUBLIC COMMENT. WE HAVE ALREADY CLOSED. OH, SORRY. DON'T COMMENT. MS. IVERS. . OKAY. UM, ANYTHING FURTHER FROM COMMISSIONERS? THE, UH, I, I LIKE THE MOTION THAT YOU PROVIDED. THE, MY ONLY PROBLEM IS THAT QUESTION IS IF THE BUSINESS THAT TAKES OVER THIS HAS TO DO, MAKE CHANGES THAT DO NOT SHOW THE HISTORIC ASPECTS OF IT, I, I, I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO THEM, I WOULD LIKE FOR THAT COMPANY TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY TO PROTECT IN PLACE. SO IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE, THAT IT WOULD END UP, UH, BECAUSE THIS, THIS, THE TRUS CEILINGS MAY NOT BE IN AN AREA THAT'S ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC. SO THEORETICALLY, OUR LANDMARKING OF THE TRUSSES IS GOING TO PROTECT THE TRUSSES FOR THE FUTURE REGARDLESS OF WHO THE USER IS, WHETHER THEY ARE EXPOSED OR NOT EXPOSED TO THE PUBLIC. SO I AM LOOKING AT IT AS WE ARE LANDMARKING THE FORM OF THE INTERIOR AND THE CONSTRUCTION METHOD OF THE INTERIOR IN THAT AREA OF THE BUILDING. AND WHETHER IT GETS VIEWED BY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC MADE WHOLLY DEPEND ON THE, THE USE. AND THAT COULD CHANGE MM-HMM. FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, BUT WE'VE PROVIDED THE OPTION FOR IT TO BE THERE FOR A FUTURE USER TO EXPOSE IT TO THE PUBLIC IF THEY SO CHOOSE TO. DOES, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE. IT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT ALEJANDRO SAID, BUT IT'S, IT MAKES SENSE TO ME BECAUSE EVEN IF THERE'S A DROP CEILING, IT'S PRESERVED ABOVE IT. SO I'M, I DON'T, YEAH, I I'M CONFUSED HONESTLY AS TO WHERE, WHERE YOUR DIFFERENTIATION IS IF THERE'S A DROP STEALING OR NOT. ARE, ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT, UM, BECAUSE OF ITS LAND MARKING, IT MUST BE VISIBLE TO THE PUBLIC? THAT'S THAT'S WHAT MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE CITY SAYS STAFF. IF I COULD JUST, UM, WEIGH IN ON A COMMISSIONER, BUTTOCK AND COMM COMMISSIONER, REFI'S, UH, COMMENTS HERE. YEAH, I MEAN, I, THERE THERE ARE INSTANCES, UM, I THINK THE GENERAL PRACTICES IS, YOU KNOW, THINGS SHOULD BE VISIBLE, THINGS SHOULD BE RESTORED, PRESERVED AND, AND KEPT IN PLACE AND STILL VISIBLE TO THE PUBLIC, UH, TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE. UH, WHERE WE HAVE A UNIQUE SITUATION WHERE A USE, UM, OF THAT INTERIOR SPACE, UH, IS GOING TO DAMAGE THE TRUSS, UH, OR OTHER PROTECTED FEATURES, THEN YES, I THINK IN, IN THOSE CASES WE COULD, UM, WE COULD WORK TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE TO EITHER OUTRIGHT COVER IT IN ORDER TO PROTECT IT, OR IF THERE'S SOME SORT OF MID SOLUTION OR MIDWAY SOLUTION WHERE, UH, SOME OF IT CAN BE EXPOSED, UM, AND OTHER PARTS COVERED UP, THEN WE WOULD STILL, UM, GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET ALL THE, ALL THE LOCAL REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU HAVE TO MEET TODAY, UH, BUT STILL PRESERVE, UH, AND PROTECT, UH, THE TRUST SYSTEM ITSELF AND WHERE THE, AND TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE, IF THERE IS A, AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING WHERE PART IT'S PARTIALLY EXPOSED, UM, AND OTHERS, UM, AREAS COVERED, THEN I THINK THAT WOULD, UM, THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE. I THINK THIS, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE, WHAT THE DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW KIND OF JUST BRINGS UP A, A UNIQUE EXAMPLE WHERE YOU MIGHT WANT TO ACTUALLY COVER SOMETHING UP IN ORDER TO PROTECT IT TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE. SO I THINK TALKING WITH, UM, WITH WHOEVER THE POTENTIAL TENANT IS GONNA BE THERE AND WHATEVER THE PROPOSED USE IS GOING TO BE THERE AND HOW THAT AFFECTS THAT AREA, UM, AND IN A JOINT DISCUSSION WITH OUR BUILDING AND SAFETY DEPARTMENT, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY SORT OF THE BROADER WAY TO REALLY ADDRESS THAT MATTER AND SEE, UM, WHAT WAYS ARE TO PROTECT IT, UM, TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE. UM, AND IF IT HAS TO BE COVERED UP, I THINK THAT [02:00:01] THE IDEA OF, UH, RECORDING AND, AND AND DISPLAYING THE WHOLE THING WOULD, UM, YOU KNOW, THROUGH PICTURE AND WHATEVER WOULD ALSO, UM, COVER PART OF THAT NOT BEING A, UM, THE PUBLIC NOT BEING ABLE TO SEE THE WHOLE THING. CORRECT. YEAH. AND I, I THINK JUST AS A MATTER OF PRACTICE IN THIS COMMISSION, THINGS LIKE THAT, UH, HAVE BEEN CONDITIONED IN THE PAST, UH, WHERE WE HAVE, UM, PICTORIAL EVIDENCE AND RECORDS THAT ARE SHOWN WITHIN THE BUILDING, UH, TO SHOW THAT EITHER SOMETHING IN OTHER BUILDINGS, UH, WHERE A FEATURE HAS BEEN REMOVED, UH, THAT IS IN A PHOTOGRAPH, IT'S DOCUMENTED, IT'S, UH, PRESENTED IN THE BUILDING. UM, SO SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAS BEEN DONE IN THE PAST, UH, BY THIS COMMISSION. THANK YOU. ANYTHING FURTHER? CAN WE VOTE NOW IF DISCUSSION IS COMPLETE? YES. THEN WE CAN TURN TO A VOTE AS A REMINDER. YES. ACTUALLY, UM, I WANTED TO DO THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO ADDING THE PLAQUE IN THE FIRST MOTION, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE. SUBSTITUTE MOTION OR SUBSTITUTE MO. YEAH. AND SO, OR THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION. SO IN THE CASE WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE A PROJECT PROPOSAL IN FRONT OF US, SO WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING AT THE STAFF TABLE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST WAY TO ACCOMPLISH THAT. UM, PERHAPS IT'S A RECOMMENDATION THAT, UM, THROUGH THE LANDMARKING PROCESS, UM, THE CITY COUNCIL INCLUDE A REQUIREMENT FOR THIS LANDMARK THAT A PLAQUE BE PRESENT, SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. AND THEN WHEN WE GET A PROJECT IN THE FUTURE, WE COULD MAKE IT A CONDITION. UH, WE JUST DON'T HAVE A SET OF CONDITIONS IN FRONT OF US. THAT MAKES SENSE. OKAY. YES. THANK YOU. SO ARE YOU, UM, JUST SO THAT I CAN UNDERSTAND, WOULD YOU LIKE TO REVISIT THAT WHEN A, WHEN A PROJECT ON THE, FOR THE SITE COMES FORWARD AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL? OR WOULD YOU LIKE THAT TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S RECOMMENDED TO COUNCIL FOR INCLUSION IN THE ORDINANCE ITSELF? I THINK, UH, THE RECOMMEND I, I UNDERSTOOD THAT TO RECOMMEND IT TO THE COUNCIL TO INCLUDE FOR THE FUTURE DEVELOP. OKAY. MEANT IS THAT ZACH, ARE YOU CLEAR ON THAT DIRECTION? IS THAT YES. SO WOULD THAT BE A, A FRIENDLY TO THE SECOND? IT'S A FRIENDLY TO THE SUBSTITUTE AND THE MAKER OF THAT MOTION IS CHAIR IRVINE. ARE YOU AGREEABLE TO THAT? FRIENDLY? YES, I'M AGREEABLE. AND OUR SECOND WAS COMMISSIONER BODAK. SO TO CONFIRM IT WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL IN THE, AS PART OF THE LANDMARKING OF THE BUILDING, REGARDLESS OF WHO THE PROPOS IS OR WHAT THE USE IS OR WAIT FOR A PROPOSAL. OKAY. SO REGARDLESS OF THE DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY, AS PART OF THE LANDMARKING OF THE BUILDING AND OUR RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL, YOU WANT THAT INCLUDED? CORRECT. OKAY. I'M FINE THEN. YES, I AM FINE AS WELL WITH THAT, THAT FRIENDLY SUBSTITUTE. SO WE CAN VOTE, I BELIEVE THERE'S, THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. WE CAN VOTE ON THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION. SO BEFORE YOU VOTE, JUST SO YOU UNDERSTAND, IF THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION SUCCEEDS, THE ITEM IS CONCLUDED. YES. IF THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION FAILS, THEN WE MOVE BACK TO OUR ORIGINAL MOTION. YES. OKAY. OKAY. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. OKAY. WHERE ARE WE? OH MY GOSH. UH, SORRY, I'M ON THE WRONG PAGE. UM, OKAY. AT THIS TIME, WE'LL TAKE NON AGENDA, PUBLIC COMMENT. ANYONE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM NOT LISTED IN THE AGENDA, PLEASE COME TO THE MICROPHONE. [PUBLIC COMMENT Opportunity to address the Cultural Heritage Commission on non-agenda items. Each speaker is limited to three minutes to make their comments unless extended by the Chair.] IS THERE ANY VIRTUAL COMMENT? IF YOU ARE JOINING US VIRTUALLY AND WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AN ITEM, PLEASE USE THE RAISE HAND FUNCTION AT THIS TIME. IF JOINING TELEPHONICALLY, PLEASE PLEASE PRESS STAR NINE AT THIS TIME. THERE. THERE APPEARS TO BE NO FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT. ARE THERE ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS FROM OUR COMMISSIONERS? [ANNOUNCEMENTS] NO. NOTHING. OKAY. AND WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU EVERYBODY. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.