* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. HERE. COMMISSIONER [00:00:01] DEB DICTUS. HERE. COMMISSIONER SHAWA. HERE. COMMISSIONER WISE? HERE. VICE CHAIR P*****K. HERE. CHAIR MOROZ. WE HAVE COURT. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS A, COULD I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR OUR MEETING OF WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 8TH AND NOVEMBER 15TH? OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER, NOR I NEED A SECOND, PLEASE. OKAY. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SHOTWELL. ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS RECOMMENDED CHANGES TO THE MINUTES? THEY LOOK OKAY TO EVERYONE. CHAIR. THEY LOOK FINE. UH, HOWEVER, ON TODAY'S AGENDA, WE HAVE COMMISSIONER FEEDLER ON THE, THE LETTERHEAD. STILL ON THE LETTERHEAD. JUST THE, UH, JUST AN FYI, BUT OH, IT'S IN TERMS ON THE, OF THE, IN TERMS OF THE MINUTES, THEY LOOK FINE. OKAY. IT'S NOT ON THE PRINTED LETTERHEAD. SO JP, IF WE COULD CHANGE THE ELECTRONIC. YES. I'LL DOUBLE CHECK ON THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER WHITE, YOU HAD SOMETHING? YES, I HAVE TWO, UM, TWO, UH, COMMENTS ON THE MINUTES. ONE IS RATHER MINOR, BUT I'M GONNA POINT IT OUT ANYWAY. UM, FOR THE NOVEMBER 8TH MINUTES, IT SAYS THAT THE START TIME WAS 3 34 AND I DID NOT RECALL IT STARTING THAT LONG AFTER THE NORMAL CONVENING TIME OF THREE O'CLOCK. UM, SO I THOUGHT THERE MIGHT BE A WAY TO CHECK THAT. THE OTHER ONE IS A LITTLE MORE, UM, SUBSTANTIVE AND IT RELATES TO THE MINUTES OF NOVEMBER 15TH. AND I NOTICED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MINUTES IT SAYS THAT THE, THAT, UM, THE RECORDING WASN'T ABLE TO FINISH. UM, SO WE DON'T HAVE A COMPLETE RECORDING, BUT THE WAY THE MINUTES COME ACROSS, IT LOOKS LIKE WE MADE A MOTION TO A APPOINT THE, TO MAKE OUR SELECTION BEFORE WE HAD THE DISCUSSION. AND IF THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA GO DOWN IN HISTORY AS WHAT HAPPENED AT THAT MEETING, I DON'T THINK THAT LOOKS THAT GREAT. I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER TO SHOW THAT IT WAS THE MEETING, THE MOTION WAS AMENDED LATER TO, UM, OR SOMETHING, OR PUT THE MOTION AT THE END, UM, WHEN THE SELECTION HAD BEEN MADE. DO, DO YOU FOLLOW WHAT I'M SAYING? 'CAUSE OTHERWISE IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS ALL SET UP WHAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN BEFORE WE EVEN INTERVIEWED ANYBODY. SO THAT'S THAT, THAT, THOSE ARE MY, MY THOUGHTS. UM, AND I THOUGHT ONE WAY IT COULD BE DONE IS JUST CHANGE THE MOTION TO SAY IT WAS AS AMENDED AFTER THE DISCUSSION SHOWN BELOW AND THEN WHATEVER. BECAUSE, BECAUSE THAT PART OF THE AMENDMENT, OF COURSE, WASN'T IN THE RECOMMENDATION. WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT, UM, COMMISSIONER WISE. UM, SO I THINK THE WAY THE SYSTEM'S SET UP RIGHT NOW, THAT THAT'S JUST THE ORDER OF HOW, UM, IT'S SET UP. UM, BUT I CAN DEFINITELY LOOK INTO THAT TO SEE WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE. YEAH, IT, I, I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE WORKING WITH THE SYSTEM AND I'M NOT USED TO WORKING WITH THAT SYSTEM. UM, BUT I DO THINK IN, IN A CASE, ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S NOT A TAPE, UM, IT WOULD, IT'D BE IMPORTANT TO, TO, SO SHOW IT. SUSAN, WHERE ARE YOU? COULD, COULD YOU POINT OUT WHERE YOU'RE READING FROM BECAUSE WE DID MAKE A MOTION FIRST TO MAKE AN APPOINTMENT, AND THEN WE WENT INTO DISCUSSION OF THE NAMES. OKAY. YEAH. WELL, IT READS, I JUST PRINTED OUT THE FIRST PAGE, BUT IT SAYS, RECOMMENDATION TO CONDUCT A STUDY SESSION, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S A RECOMMENDATION AS IT WAS REFLECTED ON THE AGENDA. THEN IMMEDIATELY IT SAYS, A MOTION WAS MADE BY COMMISSIONER NORBY, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICTUS TO APPROVE RECOMMENDATION AS AMENDED TO APPOINT JONATHAN CHIEF COLEMAN TO THE ETHICS COMMISSION PENDING COMPLETION OF ONBOARDING AND NOTIFY ANDREA GOON EATON THAT THEY HAD BEEN SELECTED AS AN ALTERNATIVE. AND THEN IT SHOWS A VOTE, AND THEN IT STARTS OUT WITH WHO SPOKE AND THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY SPOKE AND STUFF LIKE THAT. IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T SHOW WHEN THE MOTION WAS AMENDED OR ANY OF ANY OF THAT. C CAN WE SHOW SOMEHOW THAT THERE WERE PRESENTATIONS BY APPLICANTS OR BY, YEAH. BY APPLICANTS IS THE, THE TERM USED IN HERE? MM-HMM. . SO WE HAVE THE ORIGINAL MOTION, THEN WE HAVE THE PRESENTATIONS BY THE APPLICANTS, THEN WE HAVE THE AMENDED MOTION TO APPOINT JONATHAN, CHIEF COLEMAN. UM, BECAUSE I THINK THE DISCUSSION ACTUALLY THAT IS REFLECTED IS THE DISCUSSION THAT TOOK PLACE. OH, NO, IT DOES. THAT'S THE APPLICANTS, THOSE ARE THE NAMES OF THE APPLICANTS. [00:05:01] YEAH. IT WOULD BE BEST IF SOMEHOW WE COULD SHOW THAT THE AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION TOOK PLACE AFTER THE APPLICANTS SPOKE, RIGHT? MM-HMM, . YEAH. I, I'M PRETTY SURE THAT THE MOTION TO AMEND OCCURRED AFTER HEATHER SPOKE NEAR THE END. HAD TO, BECAUSE THAT WAS WHEN SHE CAME BACK WITH THE COUNT. I BELIEVE THAT'S HOW IT, IT HAPPENED. I HAD THE COUNT. YOU HAD THE COUNT, YEAH. OKAY. SO THE WAY IT'S SET UP IS BECAUSE IT WAS KIND OF LIKE A, A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION. UM, SO THAT JUST, UM, WILL BE REFLECTED IN THE MOTION THAT WAS ORIGINALLY MADE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE ITEM, UM, WHICH IS WHY IT'S AT THE TOP. UM, SO ONCE WE RECORD THAT MOTION TO OPEN IT FOR DISCUSSION ON THE FLOOR, THEN THE DIALOGUE TAKES PLACE AFTER THAT. AND ANY, LIKE, FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS THAT TAKE PLACE WILL BE RECORDED, UM, IN THAT AS A, LIKE, AS AMENDED AS IT SAYS IN THE, UM, IN THE MOTION, IT'S APPROVED RECOMMENDATION AS AMENDED. UM, SO THAT MEANS IT WAS AMENDED DURING THE ITEM, UM, DURING DISCUSSION OF THE ITEM. AND THEN IF THERE WAS LIKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION THAT WAS MADE THAT WOULD'VE BEEN REFLECTED, UM, MORE TOWARDS THE END OF THE, THE ITEM. LIKE WHAT, UM, KIND OF I THINK YOU'RE LOOKING FOR FOR THIS CHANGE. UM, SO WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK INTO THAT AND SEE. YEAH, I THINK, I THINK IF THE MOTION READ AS AMENDED FOLLOWING THE INTERVIEWS OF THE APPLICANTS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THE, THE MOTION THAT YOU PUT IN BOLD MM-HMM. AT THE BEGINNING AFTER THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, THAT WOULD BE THE, THE POINT WOULD BE JUST TO SHOW SOMEHOW THAT THE, THAT THAT MOTION WAS NOT MADE UNTIL AFTER THE, THE, THE APPLICATIONS HAD BEEN, UM, FINISHED. YEAH. LET ME, TAYLOR, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO AMEND THE MOTION FOR THAT ITEM TO INCLUDE THAT? I, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A SUGGESTION BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THE, THE MINUTES RIGHT NOW BASED, BASED ON WHAT I SEE AS A DIALOGUE GOING BACK AND FORTH. CAN YOU COME BACK WITH A REPORT FOR US AT THE NEXT MONTH IN THE JANUARY MEETING? AND LET'S, LET'S TABLE THIS ITEM AND WE'LL GO BACK AND WE'LL, UH, LET'S GO AHEAD, LET'S SPLIT THE QUESTION. LET'S MOVE FORWARD WITH THE NOVEMBER 8TH MINUTES. APPROVE THOSE. LET'S TABLE THE NOVEMBER 15TH AGENDA, AND WE'LL COME BACK AND AFTER YOU, YOU KIND OF GO OVER THAT WITH YOUR OFFICE. WE CAN, WE CAN APPROVE THOSE IN JANUARY. IS THAT OKAY WITH EVERYONE? OKAY. AND SEEING NO PUBLIC COMMENT, LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO THE VOTE ON JUST THE NOVEMBER , AND THEN I'LL ALSO LOOK INTO, UM, DO YOU ALSO WANT TO ADD INTO THAT MOTION TO UPDATE THE START TIME IF YES, PENDING REVIEW OF THE YES. MEETING. OKAY. UH, I THINK I PROBABLY NEED A SECOND IF SOMEBODY WILL SECOND THAT FOR ME, OR CAN WE DO IT AS A FRIENDLY, THAT COULD JUST BE AN AMENDED MOTION FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. YEAH. FRIENDLY IF COMMISSIONER NOVA AND COMMISSIONER SHOTWELL ARE AGREEABLE TO THAT. YES, I AGREE. OKAY. OKAY. MINE IS CIRCLING. GIMME ONE MOMENT. LET ME GO DOUBLE CHECK. CAN I JUST DO A VOICE VOTE? YEAH, WE CAN DO THAT. SO I'M GONNA VOTE YES. AND I THINK COMMISSIONER, THIS THIS'S SCREEN IS NOT COMING UP EITHER, CORRECT? AYE. ALL RIGHT. MOTION CARRIES. OKAY. AND THEN I'M GONNA MOVE WHILE YOU'RE CHECKING ON THE SYSTEM. I'M GONNA MOVE ON TO ITEM TWO. SO I JUST WANTED TO HAVE A QUICK DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PROCESS THAT WE WENT THROUGH TO FILL THE VACANCY ON THE COMMISSION LAST MONTH. UM, IT, THERE DIDN'T SEEM TO BE A LOT OF NOTES LEFT BEHIND FOR THE STAFF FROM WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS THE FIRST TIME IN 2020. AND STAFF WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A MORE COMPLETE PACKAGE OF NOTES ON WHAT WE FELT WORKED, WHAT WE FELT DIDN'T WORK, SO THAT WE CAN GO FORWARD. AND WHEN THEY HAVE TO DO THIS AGAIN DOWN THE ROAD, THERE WILL BE, UH, VERY CLEAR INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW IT SHOULD BE HANDLED. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HAVE TALKED TO HEATHER ABOUT IS THAT WHEN WE DID THE PROCESS IN 2020, THOSE OF US WHO WERE INTERVIEWING NEVER KNEW THE NAMES OF THE APPLICANTS. THEY WERE ALWAYS NUMBERS UNTIL THEY WERE ACTUALLY APPOINTED. AND THE VICE CHAIR, AND I'VE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT, [00:10:01] WAS THAT BETTER THAN HAVING THE NAME? SHOULD WE GO FORWARD HAVING NUMBERS? AND I'D LIKE TO HEAR EVERYONE ELSE'S THOUGHTS ON THAT BECAUSE WHAT, WHAT THE VICE CHAIR WAS? WELL, I'LL LET YOU SPEAK FOR YOURSELF, BOBBY. SO, UM, THE REDACTIONS THIS TIME, UM, SEEMED INTENDED TO AVOID ANYONE DOING RESEARCH. SO IF THERE WAS SOMETHING IN A PERSON'S RESUME THAT IF KNOWN, ONE OF US COULD HAVE FIGURED OUT DEFINITIVELY WHO THE PERSON WAS, IT WAS DELETED. UM, THAT THOUGH ELIMINATED SOME SORT OF RELEVANT WORK EXPERIENCE AND, AND THAT KIND OF THING. AND THERE, I, I DID HAVE A, UH, A, AN EMAIL EXCHANGE WITH HEATHER DURING THE PROCESS BECAUSE AT LEAST IN ONE CASE, I WANTED TO AT LEAST KNOW IF THAT WORK EXPERIENCE WAS LONG BEACH BASED, BECAUSE I WAS LOOKING FOR CONNECTIONS TO THE CITY. AND, AND, AND HEATHER WAS ABLE TO RESPOND. UM, THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT, THOUGH, WHEN THE DISCUSSION OCCURRED, BY THE TIME WE WENT TO THE INTERVIEW PROCESS, THE NAMES WERE UNREDACTED. WHEN I WAS AN APPLICANT, THE NAMES CONTINUED TO BE REDACTED TO THE VERY END. I THINK BY THAT POINT, UM, EVERYONE WHO WAS ON THE COMMISSION, WHO WAS A DECISION MAKER KNEW WHO I WAS, KNEW WHEN THEY WERE CONSIDERING ME BECAUSE I HAD INTERVIEWED UNDER MY NUMBER RIGHT. I'D, I'D MADE MY PRESENTATION AS NUMBER 24. UM, AND SO THEY KNEW WHO I WAS, BUT I FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE THAT THE PUBLIC RECORD DIDN'T HAVE PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT BOBBY P*****K, BUT RATHER THE, THE, THE PUBLIC RECORD SHOWED THEM TALKING ABOUT NUMBER 24, EVEN THOUGH I, I KNOW THEY KNEW. SO IN ONE CASE, I THINK IT'S MAYBE WE COULD HAVE FEWER REDACTIONS, BUT IN THE SECOND INSTANCE, UM, I, I AT LEAST WOULD, WOULD OPT TO HAVE THE NAMES CONTINUE TO BE REDACTED THROUGH THE END OF THE PROCESS, EVEN IF THE COMMISSIONERS KNOW WHO THE PEOPLE ARE, AT LEAST YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THEM BY NAME. UH, ON THE RECORD, AND BEFORE WE GO ANY FARTHER, I FORGOT TO ASK FOR A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THIS. I JUST WANNA EXPLAIN, I'M TRYING TO MOVE A LITTLE FAST BECAUSE THERE ARE A COUPLE OF ITEMS I WANNA GET THROUGH BEFORE COMMISSIONER NOVE HAS TO LEAVE AT 3 45 MM-HMM, . OKAY. SO COMMISSIONER WEISS. YEAH, I, I AGREE IN PART, BUT NOT COMPLETELY. I, I DO THINK THAT THE REDACTIONS OF THE RESUMES REDACTED MORE INFORMATION THAN NEEDED TO BE REDACTED. UM, AND, AND THE ONE EXAMPLE I CAN REMEMBER RIGHT NOW IS THAT SOMEBODY GRADUATED, YOU KNOW, MAGNA C*M LAUDE, AND IT WAS MARKED OFF THAT THEY, IT, WHEN, WHEN THAT PERSON ENDED UP GETTING, IT WAS SOME SORT OF HONORARY HONOR THAT WAS ASSOCIATED WITH THE DEGREE, AND THEN IT HAD BEEN BLOCKED OFF ON THE ORIGINAL RESUME. AND, AND THEN WHEN THE PERSON CAME UP FOR SECOND INTERVIEW, IT WAS, THAT WAS RE RETRACTED. SO WE COULD SEE THAT THAT WAS THE STATUS OF THEIR DEGREE. I DIDN'T THINK, I DIDN'T THINK THERE'S ANY REASON TO, TO NOT INCLUDE THAT THE FIRST TIME AROUND, BECAUSE THAT SHOWS SOME THAT THE PERSON DISTINGUISHED THEMSELVES SOME WAY ACADEMICALLY. AND I THINK THAT'S SOMEWHAT SIGNIFICANT IN TERMS OF DEMONSTRATING EFFORT AND THAT SORT OF THING. SO I FELT THEY WERE OVERLY REDACTED, AND I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS CONSISTENT FROM ONE TO THE OTHER. SO THAT WAS MY PROBLEM WITH THAT. HOWEVER, FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T RECALL THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE THE PEOPLE'S NAMES BY THE TIME OF THE ACTUAL INTERVIEWS. BUT TO THE, FOR IT, TO ME, IT SEEMS IMPORTANT THAT THE PUBLIC KNOW AT THAT POINT WHO THE CANDIDATES ARE. UM, IN CASE THEY WANNA, WOULD WANNA SAY SOMETHING. I, I MEAN, I, I DON'T WANNA PUT SOMEBODY THROUGH, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF PERSECUTION OR WHATEVER, BUT, BUT I, I DO THINK THAT THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO KNOW AT THAT POINT WHO THE FINAL, UM, THE FINAL CANDIDATES ARE. SO I'M, I'M NOT SURE. I THINK THAT THAT'S REALLY THE, FOR THIS PART OF THE PROCESS OF SELECTING THE COMMISSIONERS, THAT THAT'S A PROPER, THAT IS REALLY A GOOD IDEA. SO THAT'S MY IMMEDIATE REACTION TO, TO THE SUGGESTION. COMMISSIONER SHOTWELL. SO I AGREE WITH, UM, BASED ALL THE COMMENTS, EVEN THOUGH THEY, THEY, UH, HAVE, THEY'RE OPPOSING IN SOME WAY, [00:15:01] NUMBER ONE, WITH REGARD TO THE REDACTIONS. AND I MADE THIS, UH, COMMENT WHEN WE ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH THE RESUMES THAT I THOUGHT THAT THEY, I ALSO AGREE THAT I THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE OVERLY REDACTED, AND I THOUGHT IT WAS DETRIMENTAL TO OUR REALLY BEING ABLE TO HAVE A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF THE INDIVIDUALS. UH, I HAD NOT THOUGHT OF BEFORE COMMISSIONER VICE CHAIR POLLACK MADE THE POINT WITH REGARD TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE CANDIDATES THEMSELVES WOULD RATHER NOT BE IDENTIFIED, UM, AND FOUND THAT PERSUASIVE. BUT I HONESTLY, UH, ALSO AGREED DEFINITELY WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER WEISS THAT, UH, THE PUBLIC NEEDING TO KNOW AND SHOULD NEED, SHOULD KNOW WHO IS ACTUALLY THE NAMES OF THE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE BEING PROPOSED BEFORE THIS ETHICS COMMISSION AND NOT BEING REQUIRED TO KIND OF DO A LOT OF RESEARCH BY LOOKING AT RESUMES AND FIGURING OUT WHO THEY ARE, UH, THE PUBLIC THEMSELVES, LOOKING AT IT AT THE, UH, AGENDA. AND OUR AGENDA MATERIALS MAY IDENTIFY AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? I HAVE SERIOUS ETHICAL CONCERNS ASSOCIATED WITH THE INDIVIDUAL THEMSELVES THAT THEN THEY CAN APPROPRIATELY RAISE WITH THE COMMISSION. I, I WILL SAY, UH, I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR OUR PROCESS, UM, AND I APPRECIATED DOING IT. I, UH, I APPRECIATE DOING IT WHEN WE CAN IN A DIFFERENT ROOM OTHER THAN THIS ENVIRONMENT. UH, SO I LIKED WHAT WE DID AT THE, UM, AT THE POLICE COMMISSION OR THE POLICE CONFERENCE ROOM. UM, BUT IT DOES SEEM TO BE A VERY STILTED PROCESS. I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR IT, BUT I DON'T HAVE A SOLUTION FOR IT. BUT IT JUST SEEMS TO BE NOT THE BEST WAY TO GET THE BEST PEOPLE. I THINK WE HAD, I WILL SAY THAT WE GOT TREMENDOUS CANDIDATES, AND I WAS THRILLED WITH OUR, UH, THE PEOPLE THAT WE INTERVIEWED AND WHO WE SELECTED, BUT I THINK, UH, IT WON'T ALWAYS YIELD THE BEST CANDIDATES. I HAVE TO SAY, THE TWO TIMES WE'VE DONE THE PROCESS, WE HAVE HAD SOME EXCELLENT CANDIDATES. SO I, I, I DON'T HAVE THAT SAME CONCERN THAT YOU DO. MY ONLY ISSUE, I, I UNDERSTOOD WHERE COMM THE VICE CHAIR WAS COMING FROM, AND, AND I HEAR WHAT BOTH YOU AND COMMISSIONER WEISS ARE SAYING, HOWEVER, PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA COME TO OUR MEETING. 'CAUSE REALLY THE NAMES WEREN'T OUT THERE UNTIL WE HAD THE CONVERSATION. THE AGENDA, I DON'T BELIEVE HAD THE NAMES. IT JUST SAID THAT WE WERE GOING TO INTERVIEW FOLKS. AND SO THE NAME OF THE PERSON THAT WE SELECTED IS OUT THERE. NOW, IF SOMEBODY HAS A CONCERN IN THE COMMUNITY, THEY CAN COME AND TALK TO US AND LET US KNOW WHAT THAT CONCERN IS. BUT THE, THE NAMES WERE NEVER GONNA BE PUBLIC IN A WAY THAT SOMEBODY COULD COME IN AND SAY, I DON'T THINK THIS PERSON IS ETHICAL IN THE WAY THAT YOU WANT THEM TO BE ETHICAL. SO I THINK THAT IS, UM, I DON'T SEE THAT AS BIG A CONCERN AS, AS THE BOTH OF YOU HAVE EXPRESSED. COMMISSIONER NORBY, THANK YOU, CHAIR. UM, I AGREE WITH, UH, THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN SHARED. I, UM, I LIKE THE ANIM ANONYMITY OF IT ALL, UH, WITH THE NUMBERS. I ALSO THINK, UM, I LIKE THE NAMES BEING, UH, PUBLISHED FOR THE MEETING ITSELF. I TEND TO AGREE THAT IF SOMEONE FROM THE PUBLIC HAS A COMMENT ABOUT A CANDIDATE, WE SHOULD BE INFORMED. UM, I THINK THE REDACTIONS WERE A LITTLE EXCESSIVE, UH, FOR ME. UM, IN MY LINE OF WORK, I REDACT VIDEOS, POLICE VIDEOS WITH CHILD ABUSE, UM, DRIVER'S LICENSE, SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS, VICTIMS OF BATTERY. THAT'S A LOT OF WORK. AND I THINK THERE WAS A LOT OF WORK PUT INTO THE REDACTIONS OF THESE RESUMES. IT'S NOT A CRITICISM OF HEATHER AND STAFF. UH, IT'S JUST SOMETHING MAYBE WE CAN REVIEW NEXT TIME. AND ALSO, IF, IF I CAN JUST ADD, I JUST WANNA THANK HEATHER AND JORGE FOR COORDINATING ALL THE APPLICANTS, PUTTING THE BINDERS TOGETHER, GRABBING THE DINNER, SETTING UP THE ROOM, AND COORDINATING WITH AUDIO VISUAL. THAT'S A LOT OF WORK IN ADDITION TO WHAT YOU ALREADY DO. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. I, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATED IT. COMMISSIONER DI BENEDICTUS, DID YOU WANNA ADD ANYTHING? COMMISSIONER SHOTWELL, UH, TO COMMISSIONER NOVA'S POINT, YOU KNOW, AND TO YOUR POINT, UH, GER IS IT MAY BE APPROPRIATE ACTUALLY TO HAVE ONCE WE GET TO THE INTERVIEW PROCESS, TO ACTUALLY PUT THE NAMES IN THE AGENDA AS OPPOSED TO THE AGENDA AT THAT POINT IN TIME, UH, REFERRING TO THEM BY THE, UH, CODE. AND THAT WAY THE PUBLIC DOES HAVE VISIBILITY TO IT. OKAY. CHAIR, IF I MAY, I BELIEVE THE NAMES ARE SHARED IN THE AGENDA. ATTACHMENT. SO THEY ARE AGENDA. OKAY. MM-HMM. . SO THEN HEATHER AND JORGE, FOR THE FUTURE, I THINK I'VE GOT TWO TAKEAWAYS AND CORRECT ME IF I, THERE WERE MORE THAN TWO TAKEAWAYS, [00:20:01] BUT ONE, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE LESS REDACTION. MAINLY JUST THE NAME, ADDRESS, AND, UH, ANYTHING ELSE THAT REALLY, REALLY IDENTIFIES, BUT JOB TITLES AND EDUCATION BACKGROUND OR NOT? THINGS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, I IDENTIFIED, AND I THINK I HEAR A SPLIT ON USING NUMBERS VERSUS NAMES. SINCE WE'VE DONE IT BOTH WAYS. I THINK YOU KEEP THE NOTES AND LET THE COMMISSION AT THAT TIME MAKE THE DECISION. THE, THE SEATED COMMISSION THAT IS THERE WHEN YOU HAVE TO DO THIS THE NEXT TIME, TAKE OUR FEEDBACK AND MAKE A DECISION ON THEIR OWN, WHICH WAY THEY WOULD LIKE TO GO. AND I THINK THE, THE ONLY OTHER COMMENT THAT I HAVE THAT WE WILL NEED TO PURSUE WITH THE, THE MAYOR'S OFFICE IS TO ME, SIX WEEKS TO GET THE PROCESS DONE WAS REALLY, REALLY QUICK. AND WE WERE JUST VERY LUCKY THAT FORMER COMMISSIONER FEEDLER GAVE US AS MUCH NOTICE AS HE DID SO THAT WE COULD START THE PROCESS. HAD HE RESIGNED AFTER OUR OCTOBER MEETING, UM, WE REALLY WOULD'VE BEEN IN A WORLD OF HURT TRYING TO GET THAT DONE WITHIN THE SIX WEEKS, GIVEN THE THANKSGIVING AND DECEMBER HOLIDAYS THAT COME UP. 60 DAYS. 60 DAYS? WHAT'D I SAY? SIX MONTHS? NO, YOU SAID SIX WEEKS. SIX WEEKS. 60 DAYS. 60 DAYS. STILL 60 DAYS WAS DONE ENOUGH. NO, NO. NOPE. NO. ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NO PUBLIC COMMENT? WAIT, HOW, HOW SOON CAN SOON TO BE COMMISSIONER OR COMMISSIONER COLEMAN? IT'S ON THE AGENDA WHEN WE GET THERE. THANK YOU. GOT IT? CAN WE HAVE A VOTE PLEASE? MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. BEFORE WE LOSE, COMMISSIONER, I'D LIKE TO SKIP DOWN TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR. SO IF I COULD HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THAT ONE. RECOMMENDATION TO DISCUSS THE SUCCESSION PLANNING OF THE OFFICERS OF THE COMMISSION. WHAT ITEM? ITEM FOUR. I'M JUST WAITING FOR A SECOND. OKAY. SO I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICTUS AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WEISS. SO IT'S BEEN BROUGHT TO THE VICE CHAIR AND MY ATTENTION THAT THERE'S SOME CONCERN THAT WE WILL HIT THE TWO YEAR THRESHOLD FOR SERVING AS OFFICERS OF THIS COMMISSION COME JULY OF THIS YEAR. AND A QUESTION HAS BEEN RAISED AS TO WHETHER WE COULD POSSIBLY SERVE A LITTLE LONGER, MUCH IN THE SAME WAY THAT COMMISSIONER WEISS SERVED AS CHAIR FOR A LITTLE LONGER THAN TWO YEARS THAN I SERVED AS VICE CHAIR FOR A LITTLE LONGER THAN TWO YEARS. BUT I WOULD REMIND EVERYONE THAT THE REASON WE TOOK A LITTLE LONGER IN THE BEGINNING AS WE WERE JUST REALLY STARTING TO FORMAT THE COMMISSION AND GET EVERYTHING IN ORDER. I REALLY JUST WANTED TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE WITH YOU MY THOUGHTS. IF YOU WANT TO SHARE THOUGHTS BACK THAT THAT'S, WE'LL DO THAT. BUT I LEAVE THIS COMMISSION IN JULY OF 2025, MY SIX YEAR TENURE TERMS OUT, AS DOES THE TENURE OF COMMISSIONER WEISS AND COMMISSIONER SHOTWELL. I PERSONALLY DO NOT BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD BE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMMISSION FOR ME TO CONTINUE ON AS CHAIR INTO 24 25, BECAUSE THEN I WOULD BE LEAVING AS CHAIR AT THE SAME TIME THAT I'M LEAVING THE COMMISSION AND THERE'S NO ABILITY TO TRANSFER INFORMATION, TRANSFER KNOWLEDGE. MY COMMITMENT TO THE VICE CHAIR WHO WAS VERY HESITANT TO TAKE THE ROLE OF VICE CHAIR AS I TWISTED HER ARM BECAUSE SHE WASN'T SURE OF HER CAPACITY TO DO THIS, WAS THAT I WOULD SPEND THESE TWO YEARS MENTORING HER ON WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A CHAIR AND HOW TO BE A CHAIR. AND I HAVE THE UTMOST CONFIDENCE THAT THE VICE CHAIR IS READY TO WALK IN AND ASSUME THE ROLE OF CHAIR, EACH PERSON WHO COMES IN AS CHAIR OR VICE CHAIR BRINGS SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO THE ORGANIZATION. AND I THINK THAT'S VITAL FOR THE HEALTH AND LONGEVITY OF ANY ORGANIZATION. NOW, THAT WOULD MEAN THAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR A NEW VICE CHAIR, AND I THINK THERE ARE MEMBERS OF THIS COMMISSION THAT, IF YOU THINK OF IT, COULD STEP INTO THAT ROLE. THE VICE CHAIR, THE, UM, THE VICE CHAIR RIGHT NOW KEEPS A LIST OF, OF PARKING LOT ITEMS, THINGS THAT WE WANT TO BRING FORWARD AND TALK ABOUT IN ADDITION TO OUR MONTHLY MEETING. WE HAVE A, AN ABOUT AN HOUR LONG MEETING, TWO WEEKS AFTER THIS MEETING WITH THE STAFF TO SET THE AGENDA AND TALK ABOUT ISSUES PERTINENT TO THE COMMISSION. WE MEET WITH THE, UM, CITY ATTORNEY ON A QUARTERLY BASIS FOR ABOUT AN HOUR, USUALLY [00:25:01] VIA ZOOM. WE MEET ON AN AS NEEDED BASIS WITH THE AUDITOR, THE MAYOR, AND OCCASIONALLY WITH THE OTHER ELECTED MEMBERS. SO IT'S NOT A LOT OF ADDITIONAL TIME THAT THAT TAKES PLACE. MY PERSONAL OPINION IS THAT THE VICE CHAIR ALSO SHOULD COME FROM WITHIN THE RANKS OF THOSE WHO ARE GOING TO CONTINUE WITH THE ORGANIZATION BEYOND JULY OF 2025 FOR CONTINUITY'S SAKE, SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE SOMEBODY WHO HAS BEEN SERVING AS VICE CHAIR WHO LEAVES AT THE END OF A YEAR, AND THEN THE NEXT PERSON COMES IN AND ONLY HAS ONE YEAR IN ORDER TO REALLY LEARN WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A CHAIR BEFORE THEY BECOME CHAIR. SO THOSE ARE JUST MY THOUGHTS. I APPRECIATE AND, AND AM VERY, UM, HUMBLED BY THOSE OF YOU WHO THOUGHT I SHOULD STAY ON, BUT I REALLY FEEL STRONGLY THAT FOR THE HEALTH OF THE ORGANIZATION, IT'S BEST FOR ME TO LEAVE WHEN THE TWO YEARS ARE UP. PLUS, I DON'T WANT YOU TO GET SICK OF ME. UM, AND THAT'S ALL I HAD TO SAY ON THE ITEM. WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION TODAY ON WHO WOULD DO WHAT ROLE. IT'S JUST WE'VE GOT SIX MONTHS FOR PEOPLE TO THINK ABOUT WHETHER IT'S SOMETHING THEY WOULD LIKE TO TAKE ON OR THEY COULD TAKE ON. AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO SAY ANYTHING, CHAIR, TO CLARIFY. UM, IT WILL BE YOU AND COMMISSIONERS WEISS AND SHOTWELL WHO LEAVE JULY, 2025. YES. ALL THREE OF YOU. ALL THREE OF US. SO WE, IN THE ORIGINAL CHARTER, THE INITIAL APPOINTEES BY THE MAYOR AND THE AUDITOR WERE ALLOCATED ONE TWO YEAR TERM, WHICH THAT ENDED IN 20 21, 21. AND THEN WE COULD SERVE ONE MORE FOUR YEAR TERM. SO WE ARE IN OUR LAST FOUR YEAR TERM. YOU ARE NOT IMPACTED BY THAT BECAUSE YOU ARE SERVING THE REMAINDER OF THE FULL YEAR, FOUR YEAR TERM OF FORMER COMMISSIONER MANATEE. RIGHT? SO YOU, YOU GET A FULL EIGHT YEARS, MAYBE A LITTLE MORE, AND THE, THE, THE APPOINTEES ALWAYS HAD THE ABILITY TO SERVE TWO FOUR YEAR TERMS. UH, COMMISSIONER WEISS, I THOUGHT I SAW YOU HAD SOMETHING TO SAY, OR WAS IT COMMISSIONER SHOTWELL? UH, WELL, FIRST I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THE, THE BYLAWS OF OUR COMMISSION RIGHT NOW SAY THAT THE CHAIR CAN SERVE FOR TWO YEARS. IS THAT FOR, IS THAT CORRECT? ANYWAY, I THINK WE NEED TO, TO CHECK WHAT THE BYLAWS SAY. UM, I ALSO WANTED TO SAY THAT I THINK I JUST WANTED TO GO FOR PURPOSES OF HISTORY. I THINK THE ADDITIONAL TIME THAT, THAT I DID IN THAT SPOT WAS DUE TO THE FACT THAT I WAS SORT OF THE INTERIM CHAIR WHILE WE WERE GETTING THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS APPOINTED. AND THEN WHEN WE HAD A FULL SLATE, THEN I WAS ELECTED TO BE CHAIR. SO THAT WAS JUST STARTUP. I, I CONSIDER THAT FIRST SIX MONTHS OR SEVEN MONTHS TO BE STARTUP STUFF. UM, UH, AND COVID HIT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS, IT WAS UNUSUAL TIME. BUT, BUT ANYWAY, JUST SO FOR PURPOSES OF PRECEDENT, I WOULD, I WOULD JUST POINT THAT OUT. I, FROM MY EXPERIENCE ON COMMISSIONS, AND I THINK THAT HAVING, LETTING THE COMMISSION HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY THAT IT NEEDS GIVEN, UM, WHO'S SERVING HOW LONG THEY'VE BEEN ON, UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE SUDDENLY LEAVING DIFFERENT THINGS. IT, IT'S IMPORTANT TO, TO LEAVE TO, TO MAKE SURE THERE'S PLENTY OF FLEXIBILITY. I ALSO THINK IT'S HEALTHY FOR THE LEADERSHIP OF THE COMMISSION TO, TO ROLL OVER REGULARLY. I DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE THAT SOMEONE WHO'S GOING OFF COULD NOT BE CHAIR. UM, BUT, UM, BUT I DO THINK THAT IT HAS TO BE FIGURED OUT HOW, UM, THE, UM, HOW INFORMATION IS GONNA GET TRANSMITTED. SO THAT SORT OF THE HISTORY OF HOW THINGS WORK, UM, CAN BE, YOU KNOW, EXPLAINED TO THE, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING ALONG, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S HELPFUL. WHETHER THEY FIND IT USEFUL OR NOT IS IS UP TO THEM TO DECIDE. SO, UM, SO ANYWAY, THOSE ARE MY, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. AS YOU SAID, WE DON'T HAVE TO, THERE'S NOTHING TO DECIDE RIGHT NOW, EXCEPT WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO REALIZE THAT, THAT THIS WILL BE COMING UP AT THE, IN THE MIDDLE OF, OF THE NEXT YEAR. THEN WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THEN EXACTLY WHO'S, YOU KNOW, WHO'S GONNA BE WHAT. SO THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS. BUT GENERALLY, I AGREE WITH YOU THAT FOR THE, THE OVERALL HEALTH OF THE, OF THE COMMISSION, THE ROTATION OF THE, OF THE LEADERSHIP IS, IS IMPORTANT. COMMISSIONER [00:30:01] SHOTWELL, THANK YOU. I ALSO AGREE THAT ROTATION IS HELPFUL FOR THE, UM, OVERALL HEALTH OF THE ORGANIZATION. UM, THE, THE ONE POINT THAT I, AND I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER WEISS, I DON'T, I BELIEVE THAT IT'S HELPFUL TO HAVE A CHAIR KIND OF MENTORING IN ADVANCE THE VICE CHAIR. I DON'T THINK IT'S A FOREGONE CONCLUSION THOUGH, THAT VICE CHAIRS WOULD BECOME THEN THE, UH, CHAIR. I THINK, UH, IT'S HIGHLY LIKELY, BUT I DON'T SEE A NEED, I DON'T SEE A REASON WHY THE CHAIR CANNOT BE THE CHAIR IN THEIR LAST YEAR ON THE COMMISSION AND THEN MOVE OFF OF THE COMMISSION IN THEIR LAST YEAR. UH, BUT, 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK, I THINK THE MENTORING REALLY SHOULD HAPPEN IN ADVANCE AS OPPOSED TO AFTER THE FACT. UM, ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION THOUGH IS, AND I'VE ASKED TAYLOR TO LOOK INTO THIS, IS, YOU KNOW, WE MENTIONED THAT WE'VE GOT THREE, UH, COMMISSIONERS ROLLING OFF IN JULY OF 2025. BUT THOSE, UH, THE THREE COMMISSIONERS ACTUALLY DID NOT TAKE AND BEGIN SERVICE UNTIL LATE AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER OF 20 OF THAT YEAR, OF THE YEAR THAT THEY STARTED, AS OPPOSED TO JULY. AND SO I'D LIKE TO LOOK INTO WHETHER OR NOT THEY REALLY SHOULD BE ROLLING OFF, UH, AT, IN JUNE. 'CAUSE AT ONE POINT IN TIME WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BEING JUNE, SO IN JUNE, IN JULY OR, OR AUGUST. AND I'VE ASKED TAYLOR TO LOOK INTO THAT VICE CHAIR. UM, AND I JUST WANTED TO NOTE, UM, I HAVE PUT TOGETHER A DRAFT OF, UH, WHAT THE, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT RESPONSIBILITIES THE VICE CHAIR HAS HAD, AT LEAST OVER THE COURSE OF THE, UM, PAST YEAR. AND, UH, THE CHAIR HAS REMINDED ME OF SOME THINGS THAT ARE NOT YET ON THAT LIST. SO I'LL BE UPDATING THE LIST. UM, BUT THAT COULD BE A LIVING DOCUMENT THAT CAN BE USED GOING FORWARD. UM, AND I'LL SHARE IT AT, AT AN APPROPRIATE TIME, CERTAINLY BEFORE, UH, WE HAVE TO ELECT NEW CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR. AND, AND I DO WANNA THANK THE CHAIR BECAUSE FROM DAY ONE, SHE HAS, UH, FOCUSED ON TWO THINGS. ONE, GIVING ME AS VICE CHAIR SOME INDEPENDENT RESPONSIBILITIES, WHICH I APPRECIATED. AND THEN TWO, THE MENTORING PROCESS HAS BEEN CONSTANT. AND, AND I APPRECIATE THAT. SO, ANYONE, UH, COMMISSIONER THE BENEDICT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CHAIR. UM, FOR MY CLARIFICATION, I THINK I UNDERSTAND EVERYBODY'S DATES. HOW ABOUT COMMISSIONER VE, WHEN DOES HIS, UH, COMMISSION HIS ROLE? I'M NOT SURE. YEAH, I'M, I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE. OKAY. I DON'T, I KNOW WANNA BE, I KNOW I CAME IN FOR CLARIFICATION AT, UM, KIMMY'S END OF, UH, PART OF HER TERM. YEAH. SO I HAVEN'T EVEN STARTED MY TERMS. YEAH. UH, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHEN HER TERM ENDED. AND, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, I THINK YOU MIGHT'VE SERVED LIKE THREE-FOURTHS OF HER TERM, HER FOUR YEAR TERM. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT, BUT I THINK THAT STILL GIVES YOU ANOTHER FOUR YEAR TERM YOU COULD SERVE AFTER THAT. RIGHT. BUT I NEVER EVEN REAPPLIED RIGHT. FOR MY FIRST TERM. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ON. NO, YOU HAVEN'T. YOUR FIRST, YOUR FIRST TERM WOULD BE IN AS A TIME WE'RE ROLLING OFF. SO YOU, YOU WOULD START YOUR FIRST TERM, WHICH I'M PRESUMING THE MAYOR'S GOING TO REAPPOINT YOU. OKAY. YEAH. UM, CHAIR, UH, I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THIS TO THE COMMISSION'S, UH, ATTENTION AND YOUR CONCERNS AND YOUR SUGGESTIONS. UM, TRADITIONALLY, UH, IN THE COMMISSIONS THAT I'VE SERVED, IT HAS BEEN THAT, UM, THE CHAIR, UM, MENTORS ANOTHER MEMBER, UH, AGAIN, NOT ALL VICE-CHAIRS ROLE INTO THE CHAIR, UH, POSITION. UM, BUT I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF SEEING IF THE CITY ATTORNEY COULD, UH, EXTEND YOUR TERMS, ALL THREE OF YOU BY A MONTH OR TWO. AND, UM, I GUESS THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY, BUT THANK YOU, TAYLOR. YOU GOT THAT, THAT IS, YES, IT'S NOT UP TO US. IT REQUIRES A CHARTER AMENDMENT, UM, WHICH WOULD NEED TO GO IN NOVEMBER. AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD SOLVE THE IMMEDIATE PROBLEM THAT YOU'RE HAVING, UM, WITH WANTING, UM, THE CHAIR, THE THREE COMMISSIONERS THAT WILL, UM, COME OFF IN THE NEAR-ISH FEATURE, UM, WHETHER WE COULD ACCOMPLISH IT IN TIME. SO THAT'S SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR THAT THAT'S WHAT YOU [00:35:01] WOULD WANT FOR THE UPCOMING ELECTION. UM, SO THERE'S THAT. AND THEN FOR COMMISSIONER NOVE, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, I BELIEVE THAT COMMISSIONER MANATEE WAS SERVING UNTIL HER PREDECESSOR, UM, WAS SELECTED. SO WE NEED TO LOOK INTO THAT TO SEE IF HE'S ACTUALLY SERVING A PARTIAL TERM OR NOT. OKAY. OKAY. UM, 'CAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE SHE WAS APPOINTED TO A SECOND TERM. SHE WAS DOING THE COMMISSION A FAVOR FROM WHAT WE REMEMBER. UM, SO HE MIGHT ACTUALLY JUST HAVE TWO REGULAR TERMS. AND THEN TO THE QUESTION ABOUT WHAT THE BYLAWS SAY, THE BYLAWS JUST SAY THAT THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR ARE APPOINTED FOR A YEAR. THERE IS NO LIMITATION IN THE CHARTER OR IN THE BYLAWS ON HOW MANY ONE YEAR TERMS THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR SERVE FOR THE NON-CHARTER COMMISSIONS, UM, THAT ARE REGULATED BY THE MUNI CODE. TYPICALLY THOSE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR SERVE, UM, FOR TWO YEARS. SO THAT'S DEFINITELY A, WE COULD AMEND YOUR BYLAWS TO LIMIT IT TO TWO YEARS. WE CAN LEAVE IT OPEN-ENDED AS IT IS NOW. UM, I BELIEVE AMY LEFT IT OPEN-ENDED IN TALKING WITH THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR TO ALLOW FOR THE SITUATION THAT HAPPENED, UM, WITH COMMISSIONER WEISS. THANK YOU, TAYLOR. YOU'RE WELCOME. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ABOUT COMMISSIONER SHOTWELL CHAIR? UH, JUST SOMETHING, IT, IT'S MORE OF A QUESTION. MM-HMM. , UM, AND TAYLOR MAY HAVE ADDRESSED THIS NOW, AND I'M NOT, I AM NOT ASKING FOR THIS QUESTION TO BE ANSWERED RIGHT NOW. UM, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO CHALLENGE THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF, SAY WHEN SOMEBODY'S, UH, SERVING THE REMAINDER OF SOMEBODY'S TERM, THAT THEN THEY ARE, THEY'RE SUBJECT TO THE LIMITS OF THAT TERM. UH, MY SENSE IS THAT ONCE SOMEBODY IS APPOINTED THE COMMISSION, THEY SHOULD HAVE FOUR YEARS AND THEN ANOTHER FOUR YEARS, REGARDLESS IF THEY WERE SERVING THE REMAINDER OF SOMEBODY ELSE'S TERM, ESPECIALLY WHEN EVERYBODY CAME ON THE COMMISSION AT THE SAME TIME, OR, YOU KNOW, BY, IT COULD HAVE COME ON THE COMMISSION BY THE SAME TIME. AND IF WE KEPT THAT CONCEPT GOING, THEN WE WOULDN'T HAVE ANY STAGGERING. AND AT LEAST THIS WAY, WE CAN GET SOME NATURAL STAGGERING OF COMMISSIONERS SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE A KIND OF POTENTIALLY A NEW COMMISSION ALL AT ONCE. SO THAT IS DICTATED BY THE CHARTER. UM, AND WOULD IT REQUIRES A CHARTER AMENDMENT TO CHANGE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? THE TERMS OF OFFICE, HOW PARTIAL TERMS WORK AND THESE MECHANICS, THEY'RE ALL IN A PART OF THE CODE THAT WE CAN'T CHANGE UNLESS WE GO TO THE VOTERS TO CHANGE THEM. OKAY. I, AND REALLY, IF YOU LOOK AT HOW IT WAS SET UP, SO THE, THE, THE APPOINTEES ROLL OFF FIRST BEFORE THE, THE SELECTED THERE, THERE SHOULD NEVER BE A WHOLESALE TRANSITION OF THE ORGANIZATION. THAT'S A FAIR POINT. IS THE, THE NEW APPOINTEES WILL THEN HAVE FOUR, OUR REPLACEMENTS WILL HAVE FOUR YEARS. YES. THEY'LL HAVE TWO FOUR YEAR TERMS. UH, THAT DOES THAT, THAT DOES ADDRESS THAT. AND I DIDN'T, I MEAN, AND WE DON'T NEED TO DEBATE IT HERE. I JUST DIDN'T READ THE CHARTER AS BEING THAT RESTRICTIVE, UH, AND GETTING IN THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL. BUT IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE I'VE LOOKED AT THE CHARTER IN TERMS OF, UH, PARTIAL TERMS. ANYTHING ELSE? HAVE A GOOD CHRISTMAS. HAPPY AUGUST. ALL RIGHT. UM, COMMISSIONER NOVE, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE STRATEGIC PLAN NEXT. IF YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON WHAT SHOULD WE SHOULD LOOK AT OR HOW WE DO IT, IF YOU COULD SEND THOSE TO HEATHER. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. CAN I HAVE A VOTE ON THIS ITEM? MOTION CARRIES. OKAY. SO NOW WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT, OR CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE AN UPDATE AND DISCUSS OUR COMMISSION'S STRATEGIC PLANNING EFFORTS? I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BENEDICTUS AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WEISS. HEATHER. THANK YOU, CHAIR. SO I'M JUST GONNA, I PUT TOGETHER A QUICK SLIDE THIS AFTERNOON JUST TO WALK US THROUGH OUR UPDATE. UM, ERIC, IT'S NOT FORWARDING. WILL YOU FORWARD IT? THANK YOU. SO, UM, A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, THE, UM, THE CITY COUNCIL GAVE US THE DOLLARS WE NEEDED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR STRATEGIC ROADMAP. UM, SO WE HAVE SELECTED, UM, A VENDOR, MARULA CENTER FOR APPLIED ETHICS. UH, THEY'RE OUT OF SANTA CLARA UNIVERSITY. UM, THEY ARE A LEADER IN APPLIED ETHICS SINCE 1986. [00:40:01] GOVERNMENT ETHICS IS ONE OF THEIR FOCUS AREAS. UM, OTHER CLIENTS OF THEIRS INCLUDE HUNTINGTON BEACH IN THE METROPOLITAN WATER DISTRICT. AND WE HAVE, UH, A PURCHASE ORDER IN PLACE. SO WE ARE READY TO MOVE FORWARD. UM, A HIGH LEVEL, UM, OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT SCOPED THAT WE GAVE THEM INCLUDES A REVIEW OF THE CITY'S CURRENT ETHICS PROGRAM. UH, WE'VE REQUESTED A SOAR ANALYSIS, WHICH WILL INCLUDE INTERVIEWS WITH KEY STAKEHOLDERS, INCLUDING ETHICS COMMISSIONERS. IT'LL ALSO INCLUDE A PUBLIC INPUT ELEMENT. UM, FROM THAT, THERE WILL BE A DEVELOPMENT OF A FIVE YEAR STRATEGIC ROADMAP. ONCE THAT ROADMAP IS DRAFTED AND PUT TOGETHER, IT WILL BE PRESENTED TO THE ETHICS COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL. AND THAT PROJECT SCOPE ALSO INCLUDES TRAINING AND SUPPORT FOR STAFF. SO ONCE THE STRATEGIC ROADMAP IS PUT TOGETHER, THEY'RE GONNA, UM, SHOW US HOW TO USE IT. WE EXPECT THIS TO BE COMPLETED, UH, SUMMER OF 2024. AND OUR IMMEDIATE NEXT STEPS ARE A KICKOFF MEETING THIS FRIDAY. UH, THAT INCLUDES, UM, ETHICS PROGRAM STAFF, MARCOLA, THE CHAIR, AND VICE CHAIR OF THE COMMISSION. AND THAT IS MY UPDATE. ARE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HEATHER? GO AHEAD. UM, PARDON ME, BUT SO WHAT'S THE ACRONYM SOURCE STAND FOR? I WROTE IT DOWN 'CAUSE I KNEW YOU WERE GONNA ASK THAT. IT STRENGTHS, OPPORTUNITIES, ASPIRATIONS, AND RESULTS. OKAY. IS THE OTHER, SO IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT I'M USED TO. IT'S A SWOT ANALYSIS. YEAH. WE WENT, UM, MARCO TENDS TO OPERATE WITH A SOAR ANALYSIS INSTEAD OF SWOT ANALYSIS. UM, A SOAR ANALYSIS REALLY IS A FORWARD-LOOKING APPROACH, MORE COLLABORATIVE APPROACH. UM, IT'S KIND OF A NEWER APPROACH THAN SWOT. BOTH ARE PRETTY USEFUL AND VALUABLE, BUT, UM, I THINK SOAR FITS MORE OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO GAIN FROM THIS. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WEISS. YEAH, I DO HOPE THAT, UM, IT DOES INVOLVE LOOKING BACKWARDS A LITTLE BIT, BUT I HOPE THAT YOU'LL INCLUDE IN THEIR ORIENTATION OR WHATEVER, WHERE WE ARE AND WHAT IS LEFT OF THE WORK PLAN THAT WE DEVELOPED BASED ON THE, UM, REVIEW OF THE ETHICS PROGRAM THAT WAS DONE, UH, IN, YOU KNOW, RIGHT. 2019 I THINK, OR SO IS WHEN IT FINISHED UP. SO, UH, I, FOR ME PERSONALLY, I CAN SAY IT'S IMPORTANT THAT I KNOW THAT THOSE THINGS HAVE BEEN TAKEN CARE OF OR ARE SOMEHOW INCORPORATED INTO WHATEVER THE PLAN IS GOING FORWARD. OR IF THEY'RE NO LONGER NECESSARY, THEN THAT'S FINE. BUT, SO THAT WAS ALWAYS OUR INTENT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, THE CONSULTANT KNEW ABOUT OUR ACTION PLAN. IT'S JUST WE DIDN'T WANNA GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE FINISHED EVERYTHING ON THE ACTION PLAN BEFORE WE HAD, OF COURSE, A LONGER TERM PLAN GOING FORWARD. VICE CHAIR. SO, UM, HEATHER, WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT THE KEY STAKEHOLDER INTERVIEWS, THAT INCLUDES THE COMMISSIONERS AND CITY OFFICIALS? MM-HMM. . YES. OKAY. AND THEN THEY TALK ABOUT GATHER PUBLIC INPUT. YES. SO THERE'LL BE A SERIES OF PUBLIC MEETINGS, HYBRID, AND IN PERSON, UH, WE'RE MINIMUM OF THREE, A MAXIMUM OF SIX. UM, THAT WILL KIND OF, UM, TELL ITSELF AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, WHAT, WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE. UH, BUT YES, THAT, THAT WILL BE A PRETTY CRITICAL PART OF THIS. AND, UM, WE HAVE THE STAFF SUPPORT TO PUT TOGETHER THOSE PUBLIC MEETINGS. THE CONSULTANT WILL DO IT. THAT'S WHY WE'RE GOING WITH A CONSULTANT. OKAY. WELL, OKAY. 'CAUSE I, YEAH, I KNOW WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC, IT'LL BE STAFF AS WELL, BUT YES. AND THEY, YES, IT'LL BE FINE. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SHOTWELL. WHAT WE'RE SEEING AROUND CALIFORNIA, AND I THINK AROUND THE COUNTRY, IS THAT THERE ARE NEW ETHICS COMMISSIONS BEING FORMED. AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, ETHICS COMMISSIONS THAT HAVE BEEN IN PLACE THAT ARE, UM, GETTING REWORKED IN TERMS OF HOW THEY'RE APPOINTED THE NUMBER OF COMMISSIONERS. UH, AND SOMETIMES EVEN THEIR AUTHORITY QUESTION IS IF THIS CONSULTANT BRINGS EXPERTISE IN THAT SPACE, AND IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS APPROPRIATE TO BE CONSIDERED AS PART OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN AND ROADMAP IS KIND OF EVEN THE MAKEUP OF THE COMMISSION, UM, IN THE, YOU KNOW, NEXT FIVE YEARS AS OPPOSED TO ASSUMING THAT THE EXISTING MAKEUP WOULD [00:45:01] CONTINUE IN THE EXISTING AUTHORITY. SO FOR, AND WHAT I'M REFERRING TO IS, FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE YOU CAN HAVE, UH, POTENTIALLY ETHICS COMMISSIONERS ARE, UH, ELECTED AT LARGE WITHIN THE CITY, THINGS ALONG THAT LINE, OR ETHICS COMMISSIONS THAT HAVE INVESTIGATORY POWER, THINGS ALONG THAT LINE. JUST WHAT IS, WHAT THE CON, WHAT THE CONSULT SEES IS WHAT'S BEST ON A, UH, FOR, FOR COMMISSION? WELL, IT'S NOT REALLY THE CONSULT, WHAT THE CONSULTANCIES IS BEST FOR US. IT'S BASED ON THE INPUT THAT THEY RECEIVE FROM THE OUTREACH THAT THEY DO. SO REALLY THEY'LL BE LOOKING AT THE INPUT THAT THEY RECEIVE FROM US AND THE, THE CITY FOLKS, THE ELECTEDS AND THE STAFF, AND THEN THE PUBLIC INPUT. AND IF THEY'RE GETTING A LOT OF THAT FROM THE PUBLIC INPUT, THEN IT'D PROBABLY BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE PURSUE. BUT THEY'RE NOT REALLY ANALYZING WHAT WE ARE DOING AND MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS, WHAT THEY'RE DOING IT, THEY'RE TAKING THE FEEDBACK ON WHAT OUR VARIOUS COMMUNITIES THINK WE SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON. I APPRECIATE THAT. I WOULD ALSO IMAGINE THOUGH, THEY'RE BRINGING EXPERTISE IN THIS SPACE, AND SO THEY CAN APPLY THAT TO THE FEEDBACK THAT THEY'RE GETTING FROM THE, UH, FROM THE PUBLIC POSSIBLY. THANK YOU COMMENTS. UM, SEEING NO PUBLIC COMMENT, CAN WE HAVE THE VOTE? PLEASE? CAN, CAN JP CAN WE SHOW THAT COMMISSIONER NOVE LEFT AT 3 45? SO HE'S NOT GOING TO BE VOTING? YEAH. OKAY. MOTION CARES. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE A MONTHLY UPDATE FROM THE ETHICS OFFICER? THE SYSTEM'S BEING VERY TEMPERAMENTAL TODAY. I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BENEDICTUS AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SHOTWELL. HEATHER, AGAIN, THANK YOU, CHAIR. UM, SO JUST A COUPLE THINGS TO ADD TO THE STRATEGIC ROADMAP UPDATE. UM, BY NOW, UH, WE, WELL, WE MAY NOT ALL KNOW THAT APRIL, UM, HAS BEEN APPOINTED OFFICIALLY LAST NIGHT BY THE COUNCIL AS OUR NEW ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER. UH, SO SHE WILL BE QUICKLY TRANSITIONING OUT OF HER ROLE AS DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, UM, EFFECTIVE THE END OF THIS MONTH. UM, AND JUST AS QUICKLY WE'LL BE FILLING THE ROLE AS DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, UM, THE PERSON THAT WILL OVERSEE THIS PROGRAM THAT WILL BE PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE PROBABLY THIS WEEK. UM, SO TO BE CONTINUED ON THAT, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT, UM, APRIL LEAVING, JUST LET ME KNOW. SHE'S NOT GOING FAR. UM, WILL SHE COME BACK TO OUR JANUARY MEETING SO WE CAN DO CUPCAKES WITH HER? YES. SHE'S GOING TO DINNER WITH US TOO TONIGHT. OKAY. SO, BUT IT'S STILL NOT CUPCAKES. YOU KNOW HOW WE LOVE OUR CUPCAKES. WE DO CUPCAKES FOR SURE. I WILL NOT CUPCAKES. I'LL ASK HER TO SCHEDULE US IN. UM, SO CHIEF COLEMAN, UM, HE SHOULD BE STARTING IN JANUARY. UH, LIVE SCAN PROCESS IS JUST ABOUT FINISHED, JUST WAITING FOR CLEARANCE. AND THEN THE CITY CLERK WILL TAKE OVER, UM, AND DO ALL THE DIFFERENT FORMS, SIGNATURES, THE OATH, UM, ETHICS TRAINING THAT CHIEF NEEDS TO DO. UM, OUR NEW HELPLINE IS NOW LIVE. UM, SO THAT'S OUR ONLINE FORM AND OUR PHONE LINE. SO AWARENESS MATERIALS, UM, ARE STARTING TO BE DISTRIBUTED JUST TO, UM, LET FOLKS KNOW THAT THERE IS A NEW, UM, NUMBER AND FORM FOR THAT. UM, WE HAVE HAD A PRETTY ROBUST, UH, GIFTS AWARENESS CAMPAIGN THIS WEEK. UM, OR THIS MONTH THOMAS SENT OUT A COUPLE MEMOS. WE'VE RELEASED, UH, AN UPDATED FAQ, AN UPDATED INFOGRAPHIC. UM, I RELEASED A POEM THIS WEEK. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICTUS FOR THE INSPIRATION. AND THEN, UM, THE PROGRAM, UM, BOUGHT A REALLY COOL NEW VIDEO THAT WE CAN USE YEAR ROUND, UM, THAT EXPLAINS, UM, WHY YOU SHOULDN'T ACCEPT GIFTS FROM A VENDOR. AND THEN, UH, THE CHAIR, VICE CHAIR, AND I, WE CAN TALK MORE ABOUT THIS LATER, BUT THE RETREAT, UM, WE JUST NEED TO FINALIZE A DATE FOR THAT. 'CAUSE IF WE'RE GONNA DO IT IN FEBRUARY, THAT'S COMING UP QUICKLY. UM, AND JORGE AND I, UH, THOUGHT THAT THAT COULD BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR MARCOLA TO COME IN AND TALK [00:50:01] TO THE COMMISSION IF IT WORKS OUT WITH THE TIMELINE. I ATTENDED THE COGO CONFERENCE, UH, DECEMBER 2ND THROUGH FIFTH IN MISSOURI. UM, THAT'S THE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENT ETHICS LAW. UH, TAYLOR WAS THERE AS WELL. UM, I THINK TAYLOR AND I AGREE THAT IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE NEED TO GO TO EVERY YEAR. IT WAS HELPFUL FOR US ON, UM, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT LEVELS. UM, BUT AGAIN, IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE NEED TO GO TO EVERY YEAR, BUT WE DID GET SOME GOOD LITTLE NUGGETS OUT OF IT. AND THEN, UM, JORGE AND I CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE POLICIES AD HOC, AND I THINK THAT'S IT. OH, WAIT, I HAVE AN UPDATE FROM THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE. SO FOLLOWING UP WITH THE QUESTION THAT WAS RAISED AT LAST MONTH'S MEETING REGARDING THE INCLUSION OF A NOTE FOR WHICH SPEAKERS SPOKE VIRTUALLY DURING THE OCTOBER 25TH MEETING, AFTER DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY CLERK TO MAINTAIN CONSISTENCY WITH THE MINUTES PROCESS FOR THE CITY COUNCIL AND OTHER COMMISSIONS, WE WILL KEEP THE MINUTES WITH THE SPEAKER'S NAMES AND NOT INCLUDE AN ADDITIONAL NOTE FOR THE VIRTUAL COMMENTS. AND THAT'S THE END OF MY REPORT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, HEATHER. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HEATHER? UM, JUST A COMMENT. MM-HMM, , UH, HEATHER, I FIRST GREAT. KUDOS ON THOSE GIFT MATERIALS. UM, REALLY, I, I THOUGHT THEY WERE SPOT ON AND THE TIMING IS RIGHT AT THE END OF THE YEAR, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, AND ON THE CONFERENCE THAT, THAT YOU ATTENDED, I, I DID WANNA NOTE TAYLOR BROUGHT BACK, UM, A, SHE CALLED IT A BLUE BOOK. I GUESS IT WAS BLUE, BUT I SAW IT VIRTUALLY , UM, UH, ON LOBBYING ORDINANCES ACROSS ALL OF THE STATES, MANY LOCAL JURISDICTIONS, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, AND, AND A BUNCH OF CANADIAN PROVINCES. UM, WHICH WAS REALLY VALUABLE. UM, I, I, I HAVEN'T, UH, OBVIOUSLY READ THE ENTIRE THING, BUT IT'S VERY TIMELY BECAUSE I'M ON THE AD HOC. SO PERIODICALLY CONFERENCES LIKE THAT, YOU CAN GET SOME GEMS. UM, AND, UH, AND, AND I REALLY FELT LIKE THAT WAS A GEM AT COMING OUTTA THAT CONFERENCE. SO. YEP, DEFINITELY. I ALWAYS LOOK FOR, FOR THE NUGGETS. I THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME. YEP. THANK YOU. WE'RE GLAD YOU DIDN'T GET SICK. YEAH, ME TOO. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR HEATHER? OKAY. CAN WE HAVE THE VOTE ON, OH, SEEING NO PUBLIC COMMENT, CAN WE HAVE VOTE ON THIS ITEM PLEASE? MOTION CARRIES. CAN I HAVE A MOTION ON THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS TO RECEIVE AND FILE A MONTHLY UPDATE FROM THE AD HOC COMMITTEE ON THE LOBBYIST ORDINANCE? I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEUS AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WEISS. AND COMMISSIONER WEISS IS GOING TO GIVE THE UPDATE ON THE COMMITTEE. YEAH, JUST, JUST REAL QUICKLY, UM, THE, UH, COMMITTEE HAS MET TWICE SINCE THE LAST MEETING. AND, UM, THANKS TO, UM, COMMISSIONER, OUR VICE CHAIR POLLOCK'S, UH, DILIGENCE IN KEEPING NOTES FOR US. UM, WE'RE WORKING ON REVISED, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS AND I WOULD SAY WE'RE GETTING DOWN TO THE, WE'RE REALLY DOWN TO THE NITTY GRITTY AT THIS POINT. UM, WE, UH, WANT TO MEET WITH, UH, TAYLOR ANDERSON, THE CITY ATTORNEY THAT'S WORKING WITH US TO, TO GET HER FEEDBACK ON WHAT WE ARE THINKING ABOUT AND ALSO INPUT FROM HER, UM, BASED ON, ON INFORMATION THAT SHE COLLECTED AT THE CONFERENCE THAT, THAT EVERYONE WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT. AND AS SOON AS, UM, WE CAN FIND A, A DATE THAT WORKS FOR ALL OF US, WHICH MAY NOT, WILL PROBABLY NOT BE UNTIL THE END OF DECEMBER OR, UH, EARLY IN JANUARY, UM, I'M, I'M OPTIMISTIC THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO FINISH UP A REPORT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR ITS CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE AD HOC? SEEING NONE AND SEEING NO QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC. CAN WE HAVE THE VOTE PLEASE? HEY, THE MOTION CARRIES. CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE A MONTHLY UPDATE FROM THE AD HOC COMMITTEE ON UPDATED POLICIES? [00:55:11] I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SHOTWELL AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WEISS AND WHO'S GONNA DO THE REPORT FOR THIS AD HOC, I GUESS I AM . UH, SO I'LL BE DOING THE, I'LL BE PROVIDING THE REPORT ON BEHALF OF, UH, STAFF AND COMMISSIONER DAVE BENETTI. UH, SO WE, THE AD HOC HAS MET, UM, AND A FEW TIMES. UM, AND WE ARE ACTUALLY TAKING A DIFFERENT APPROACH, UH, IN DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF. UM, WE WERE LOOKING AT IT, WE'VE IDENTIFIED THE VARIOUS DIFFERENT ELEMENTS THAT WE'RE ELECT WANTING TO SEE WITH REGARDS TO CONFLICT OF INTEREST AND VARIOUS DIFFERENT, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, POLICIES. UM, AND THAT'S PROVING A LITTLE DIFFICULT IN TERMS OF HOW IT ALL CAN KIND OF FIT TOGETHER. UH, WE'RE NOW TAKING THE APPROACH OF KIND OF DEVELOPING THE COMPREHENSIVE ETHICS AND GOOD GOVERNMENT CODE WE'VE DISCUSSED WITH STAFF, AND STAFF HAS PRESENTED OPTIONS OF WHERE THAT WOULD FIT WITHIN DIFFERENT CITY ORDINANCES. I SHOULD HAVE ALSO MENTIONED THAT WE ALSO HAVE DISCUSSED WHETHER OR NOT THIS SHOULD BE WITHIN A CITY ORDINANCE OR ELSEWHERE, UH, WITHIN THE, UH, CITY'S GOVERNING GOVERNING DOCUMENTATION. AND WE HAVE CENTERED ON THAT, THE FACT THAT IT SHOULD BE AN ORDINANCE AND WE'RE STILL WORKING IN TERMS OF THAT EXACT PLACEMENT, BUT THERE ARE SOME VERY GOOD OPTIONS. UM, SO WE HAVE IDENTIFIED THE TOPICS AND STAFF HAS DEVELOPED BASICALLY AN OUTLINE OF THE TOPICS. UH, THE AD HOC IS MEETING AGAIN ON TUESDAY OF NEXT WEEK. UH, AND WE ARE GOING TO BE GOING THROUGH AND DISCUSSING THE ELEMENTS THAT WE REALLY THINK KEY KEY POINTS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED UNDER EACH OF THOSE TOPICS, UH, WITH THE EXPERTISE THAT, UH, STAFF HAS GLEANED FROM WHAT OTHER CITIES HAVE, AND ALSO THE EXPERTISE THAT COMMISSIONER DENI AND I HAVE. UH, AND THEN STAFF WILL BE DEVELOPING A DRAFT COMPREHENSIVE DRAFT OF AN ETHICS AND GOOD GOVERNMENT CODE, UH, WHICH THEN COMMISSIONER DAVID NESS AND I WILL BE REVIEWING. SO IN ADDITION TO HAVING THAT DISCUSSION ON KIND OF DIVING IN ON THOSE KEY, UH, ELEMENTS THAT WE EXPECT TO SEE WITHIN, UNDER EACH OF THE TOPICS AND ADDRESSED BY EACH OF THE TOPICS OF THE CODE, UH, WE'LL ALSO HAVE A TIME, A DRAFT TIMELINE, UH, AT THE NEXT AT ON TUESDAY, WHICH WE'LL THEN BE PRESENTING. I BELIEVE WE CAN PRESENT AT A MINIMUM THE TIMELINE AND ALSO THE COMPREHENSIVE OUTLINE AT THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE AD HOC? UH, I HAVE A QUESTION. SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A CODE. DO YOU ANTICIPATE AN ORDINANCE? I'M SORRY, I PROBABLY WASN'T CLEAR. SO IT IS A, IT IS A, IT WILL BE AN ORDINANCE, IT WILL BE AN ELEMENT WITHIN THE ORDINANCE. AND I'M BLANKING IN TERMS OF WHAT WE WOULD ACT, WHAT LEVEL IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE. OKAY. I JUST, BUT DEFINITELY NO, WE ARE TALKING, IT WILL ACTUALLY BE CITY ORDINANCE. YEAH. YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT AN ORDINANCE BEFORE. YES. AND WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT CODE, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS, THAT WASN'T REPRESENTING A CHANGE. NOPE, IT WASN'T. OKAY. I WAS CONFLATING. I WAS CONFLATING. THAT'S FINE. MUNICIPAL CODE AND ORDINANCE. GOT IT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NOT BE CONFUSED WITH OUR CODE OF CONDUCT. SEEING NO OTHER COMMENTS AND SEEING NO PUBLIC COMMENT. CAN WE HAVE THE VOTE ON THIS PLEASE? MOTION CARRIES. OKAY. CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO REAUTHORIZE THE AD HOC COMMITTEES ON THE LOBBY, THIS ORDINANCE AND THE AD HOC COMMITTEE ON UPDATED POLICIES TO CONTINUE ON THEIR RESPECTIVE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COMMISSION IN 2024? I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WEISS AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DE DE BENEDICTUS. SO YOU MAY ALL REMEMBER THAT, UM, WE HAD AGREED THAT ALL OF OUR AD HOCS WOULD SUNSET AFTER ONE YEAR, BUT THAT WE CAN REAUTHORIZE THEM AND SOME BOTH OF THEM HAVE WORK TO CONTINUE IN ORDER TO COME BACK WITH RECOMMENDATIONS. WE NEED TO AUTHORIZE THEM AT THIS TIME. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, SEEING NONE AND SEEING NO PUBLIC COMMENT. CAN WE HAVE THE VOTE PLEASE? [01:00:04] MOTION CARRIES. SO THE LAST ITEM IS A RECOMMENDATION TO DISCUSS THE ANTICIPATED AD HOC COMMITTEES FOR UPCOMING PROJECTS, AND IF APPROPRIATE, TAKE ACTIONS TO DISSOLVE OR CREATE AD HOC COMMITTEES. CAN I HAVE A MOTION? I, SO I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICTUS AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SHOTWELL. WE HAD DISCUSSED CREATING ANOTHER AD HOC THAT WILL BE LOOKING AT CAMPAIGN FINANCE REPORTS. UM, THE VICE CHAIR AND I ATTENDED THE CANDIDATE FORUM LAST MONTH AND WE DID MAKE IT VERY CLEAR TO THE CANDIDATES OR, AND OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVES WHO ATTENDED THAT, UNLIKE PRIOR YEARS, THE CAMPAIGN FINANCE REPORTS WILL BE GOING THROUGH REVIEW. I'D RATHER WAIT AND CONSTITUTE THAT. UM, NEXT MONTH WHEN COMMISSIONER NOVE, AND HOPEFULLY BY THEN MR. COLEMAN HAS FINISHED HIS PROCESS AND WILL BE JOINING US AS A COMMISSIONER. SO WITH THAT, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY OTHER AD HOCS TO START UP. ANYONE HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS ON ANOTHER, A AD HOC OR ARE WE GOOD? COMMISSIONER SHOTWELL? UH, THIS IS NOT URGENT, BUT I'VE BEEN GIVING SOME THOUGHT TO ANOTHER POTENTIAL AD HOC THAT CAN BE FORMED WITHIN THE NEXT, UH, SEVERAL MONTHS TO A YEAR. UM, AND THE IDEA BEING THAT YOU MIGHT TAKE SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS, UH, THAT ARE ROLLING OFF, UH, AND REALLY HAVING THAT GROUP, UH, OR A SUBSET OF THAT GROUP, UH, TAKE A KIND OF DEEP DIVE LOOK AT THE EXISTING CHARTER OPPORTUNITIES FOR CHANGES TO THE CHARTER, UH, AND INCLUDING CHANGES THAT, UH, MIGHT, UH, VEST WITH THIS COMMISSION MORE AUTHORITY, UH, IF IT'S APPROPRIATE, FOR EXAMPLE, INVESTIGATORY AUTHORITY. SO I'M PLANNING THAT IDEA. UH, SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT SOME POINT IN 2024 FORMING THAT, UH, AD HOC. OKAY. AND I WAS CONSIDERING THAT IT WOULD BE THOSE INDIVIDUALS ROLLING OFF SO THAT THEY ARE NOT INDIVIDUALS WHO REALLY HAVE A VESTED INTEREST. OKAY. YOU'VE GOT THAT ON THE PARKING LOT. MM-HMM. , ANYTHING ELSE? SEEING NO OTHER COMMENTS, SEEING NO PUBLIC COMMENT? CAN WE HAVE THE VOTE PLEASE? MOTION CARRIES. OKAY, SO THAT IS THE END OF OUR AGENDA. I DON'T SEE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT TO US, SO WE WILL STAND ADJOURNED. HAVE FUN TONIGHT, EVERYBODY. SORRY, I'M MISSING IT. WE WISH YOU WERE HERE. OH, WE'RE GONNA. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.