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          GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME. 
          I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER OUR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING FOR JANUARY 18TH. 
          MADAM CLERK, CAN WE HAVE THE ROLL CALL, PLEASE? COMMISSIONER CASTILLO. 
          COMMISSIONER CLEMSON? HERE. 
          COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ. 
          EDMOND. 
          HERE. 
          COMMISSIONER LAGA. 
          HERE. 
          COMMISSIONER WHERE? VICE CHAIR TEMPLATE. 
          HERE. 
          CHAIR LEWIS. 
          HERE WE HAVE QUORUM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER CLEMSON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO LEAD US IN THE FLAG TO THIS EVENING? THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. 
          IT'S NOW TIME FOR SWEARING OF ANY WITNESSES THAT WILL BE GIVING TESTIMONY THIS EVENING. 
          IF YOU DO PLAN ON GIVING TESTIMONY TO THE COMMISSION, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE STAND, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. 
          AND DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE EVIDENCE YOU SHALL GIVE IN THIS PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING SHALL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU MAY BE SEATED. 
          DO WE HAVE A DIRECTOR'S REPORT THIS EVENING? GOOD EVENING, CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS. 
          I WANNA WELCOME YOU ALL AS WELL AS, UH, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, UM, TO OUR MEETING AT THIS, UH, SPECIAL LOCATION HERE AT LONG BEACH CITY COLLEGE. 
          AND SO I WANNA SAY A THANKS TO THE WHOLE LONG BEACH CITY COLLEGE TEAM, UM, INCLUDING THEIR LEADERSHIP AND, UH, TECH SUPPORT, UM, AS WELL AS FACILITIES GROUP FOR GRACIOUSLY HOSTING US WHILE, UM, IMPORTANT UPGRADES ARE BEING MADE TO OUR, UM, CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS, UM, OVER AT THE CIVIC CENTER. 
          UM, JUST WANT TO NOTE, UH, LAST WEEK WAS THE MAYOR'S STATE OF THE CITY AND MUCH OF THE GREAT WORK OF, UM, OF THIS COMMISSION AND OF, OF THE PLANNING GROUP OVERALL WAS HIGHLIGHTED IN TERMS OF, UM, THE NUMBER OF, UM, HOUSING UNITS ENTITLED AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS, THE RECORD YEAR, AS WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE LAST MEETING. 
          UM, SO EXCITED TO SHARE THAT. 
          I KNOW WE HAVE, IN ADDITION TO OUR HEARINGS THIS EVENING, UM, AN IMPORTANT STUDY SESSION. 
          SO I WANNA MAKE SURE TO, UM, MAKE TIME TO GET TO THAT. 
          SO WITH THAT, I'LL UH, CONCLUDE OUR DIRECTOR'S REPORT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? WITH THAT, I'LL OPEN UP THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT TO PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          OH, I'M SORRY. 
          GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER. 
          WE SHOULD HAVE, BUT WE'LL DO IT AT THE END ON THIS ONE. 
          ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WANTED TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT? SEEING NONE, I'LL BRING THAT BACK BEHIND. 
          IF I COULD HAVE A MOTION, PLEASE TO ACCEPT THE ACCEPT AND, UH, FILE THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT. 
          SO, MOVE. 
          COMMISSIONER TEMPLIN, I'VE GOT A FIRST AND A SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER LA FARGO. 
          I'VE GOT A, A FIRST AND A SECOND. 
          ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE IF WE'D HAVE THE ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE. 
          SECOND. 
          COMMISSIONER CLEMSON AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ. 
          EDMOND AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER LA FARGO? AYE. 
          VICE CHAIR? TEMPLAN. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          CHAIR LEWIS. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          AND, UH, AS A, AS A CORRECTION, UH, COMMISSIONER LA VARGA. 
          SECONDED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT BRINGS US TO OUR SECOND ORDER OF BUSINESS, THE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM OUR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF THURSDAY, DECEMBER 21ST. 
          COULD I GET A MOTION FOR THAT? SO MOVED. 
          COMMISSIONER EDMONDS. 
          SECOND. 
          COMMISSIONER CLEMENTS. 
          I'VE GOT A FIRST AND A SECOND. 
          ANY CORRECTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE MINUTES? SEEING NONE. 
          ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THE MINUTES FROM OUR DECEMBER 21ST MEETING? SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND IF WE COULD HAVE THE ROLL CALL, PLEASE. 
          COMMISSIONER CLEMSON. 
          AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ. 
          EDMOND AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER LAGA. 
          AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER, EXCUSE ME. 
          VICE CHAIR TEMPLIN. 
          AYE. 
          CHAIR LEWIS. 
          AYE. 
          AND I BELIEVE THAT BRINGS US TO OUR FIRST REGULAR ITEM OF BUSINESS. 
          IF THE CLERK COULD READ THE ITEM FOR US, PLEASE. 
          AS WE'RE BRINGING UP THE FIRST ITEM, IF I COULD JUST ASK, I KNOW WE'RE IN A NEW SETTING, BUT MAKING SURE THAT WE USE OUR MICROPHONE, UM, BECAUSE WE ARE RECORDING THIS MEETING FOR POSTING ON THE WEBSITE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ITEM THREE IS RECOMMENDATION TO ACCEPT CATEGORICAL EXEMPTION AND APPROVE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW THE OPERATION OF A NEW UTILITY MOUNTED WIRELESS COMMUNICATION 
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FACILITY ON AN EXISTING SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA EDISON TOWER AT 72 50 ATHERTON STREET IN THE PARK ZONING DISTRICT, DISTRICT FOUR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IF I COULD HAVE A MOTION TO HEAR THIS ITEM. 
          SO, MOVE COMMISSIONER TEMPLIN. 
          AND A SECOND PLEASE. 
          SECOND. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CLEMSON. 
          SO WE'VE GOT A FIRST AND A SECOND. 
          IS THERE A STAFF REPORT FOR THIS ITEM? THANK YOU. 
          CHAIR. 
          YES. 
          PROJECT PLANNER AB AARON LINNER WILL PROVIDE THIS PRESENTATION. 
          GOOD EVENING CHAIR AND ALL MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR YOUR REVIEW IS APPLICATION 2309 DASH 30 FOR THE, FOR A, UH, WIRELESS TELECOMMUNICATIONS FACILITY TO BE LOCATED AT 72 50 EAST ATHERTON STREET. 
          THE SUBJECT SITE IS LOCATED ON IN THE UNDEVELOPED SCE EASEMENT, UM, SOUTH OF WILLOW STREET, BASICALLY AT THE CONFLUENCE OF COYOTE CREEK AND THE SAN GABRIEL RIVER. 
          SO HERE'S SOME, UH, PHOTO SIMS THAT WOULD SHOW THE CHANGES TO THE CHANGES TO THE, UM, TO THE EXISTING SCE TOWER. 
          IN THE UPPER LEFT IMAGE THAT YOU CAN SEE, THAT'S THE EXISTING TOWER AT THE BOTTOM LEFT WOULD BE THE SAME IMAGE WITH THE EQUIPMENT ATTACHED, UM, AS YOU'RE LOOKING SOUTH FROM, UM, I BELIEVE FROM WILLOW STREET AND MORE OR LESS, UM, MORE. 
          THE SECOND VIEW IS LOOKING AT IT, I BELIEVE NORTHEAST. 
          AND THE THIRD VIEW IS LOOKING AT IT FROM THE SOUTHEAST. 
          AND HERE'S SOME PLANS SHOWING THE, THE CHANGES TO THE FACIL TO THE FACILITY. 
          UM, THE EQUIPMENT AT THE BASE LOCATED AT THE BASE OF THE SCE TOWER WILL BE SCREENED BY A CMU BLOCK WALL. 
          AND AS MENTIONED BEFORE, IT'S BASICALLY LOCATED AT THE CONFLUENCE OF COYOTE CREEK AND SAN GABRIEL RIVER RIVER. 
          SO, UH, AND THE SAN RIVER. 
          SO IT'S ROUGHLY 600 FEET AWAY FROM RESIDENCE TO THE, TO THE WEST, 900 FEET AWAY FROM RESIDENTS TO THE EAST. 
          AND, UM, WELL, WELL OVER, I BELIEVE ANOTHER 600 FEET FROM, FROM WILLOW STREET ITSELF. 
          SO IN TERMS OF THE REQUIRED FINDINGS, UM, THE MUNICIPAL CODE REQUIRES THAT, UM, COMPLIANCE WITH THE GENERAL PLAN AND ZONING CODE AND SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, UM, NEED TO BE MADE. 
          AND FINDINGS THAT THIS PROJECT WILL NOT BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY AND WELFARE AND THAT ALTERNATIVE SITES HAVE BEEN ANALYZED. 
          STAFF BELIEVES THAT WE CAN MAKE THESE FINDINGS IN THE POSITIVE, IN THE AFFIRMATIVE. 
          I'M SORRY, IN TERMS OF NOTICING. 
          AND CQA, UH, THERE WERE 10 PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WERE NOTICED. 
          UM, AND WE AT THE TI AT THE TIME OF THIS MEETING, STAFF HAS NOT RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS REGARDING THE PROJECT. 
          UM, IN TERMS OF CQA, THIS PROJECT WOULD BE CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT UNDER 1 5 3 0 3, WHICH IS A SMALL, SMALL STRUCTURES EXEMPTION AND PROJECTS, UH, OF THIS TYPE. 
          UM, STANDARD CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL FOR THE USE AND ANY ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENT FOR, SUCH AS THE BLOCK WALL SCREENING FOR THE EQUIPMENT. 
          UM, THOSE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL ARE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET. 
          SO ACCORDINGLY, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE COMMISSION APPROVE THE APPLICATION AND WE ARE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMISSION MAY HAVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. 
          COMMISSIONERS. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FROM, FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, I'LL OPEN UP THIS ITEM FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          IF THERE'S ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS, PLEASE COME FORWARD. 
          YOU COME FORWARD, SIR? YES. 
          WANNA COME TO THE PODIUM? IF YOU COULD JUST INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME? EXCELLENT. 
          MY NAME IS GREG PETERS AND I AM A PROPERTY OWNER, LITERALLY AT THE END OF ATHERTON. 
          UH, A SHORT DISTANCE FROM WHERE THIS PROPERTY CHANGE OR THIS FACILITY CHANGE IS APPARENTLY BEING CONSIDERED. 
          I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. 
          FIRST OFF, I WAS NOT NOTIFIED, WOULD'VE LIKED TO HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED, FOUND OUT THAT THERE WAS A, UH, A NOTIFICATION POSTED ON THE GATE, WHICH IS RIGHT BEHIND MY HOUSE. 
          APPARENTLY THAT WAS TORN DOWN. 
          NEVER SAW IT. 
          FINALLY GOT IT PIECED BACK TOGETHER, SAW THE, UH, NOTIFICATION. 
          AND, UH, JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS REGARDING WHAT THIS IS. 
          UM, IS IT A, IS IT A, UM, ELECTRICAL FACILITY? UM, IT'S GONNA BE MOUNTED ON A TOWER. 
          IS IT MICROWAVE WIFI? WHAT ARE THE HURTS GONNA BE BROADCAST? OR IS IT A RECEIVER? UM, ANY ONE OF THOSE 
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ITEMS, UH, BROADCAST, RECEIVING, WIFI, ET CETERA, HAS TO BE CONSIDERED TO BE, OR CAN BE CONSIDERED, I SHOULD SAY, TO BE DETRIMENTAL IF IT'S ABOVE 60 HERTZ. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HERTZ IS ON THIS DEVICE, BUT I LIVE PRETTY CLOSE TO IT AND I JUST DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE PATH OF WHATEVER IS COMING FROM IT OR TO IT. 
          UM, WHO'S THE BENEFICIARY OF, OF THIS PROJECT? WHO, WHO DOES THIS BENEFIT? THE NOTIFICATION I SAW HAD NO INFORMATION TO THAT EFFECT. 
          IS IT COMMUNICATIONS? NOT SURE WHY DO WE NEED THIS? UM, JUST GOT A LOT MORE QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS I'M AFRAID. 
          AND, UH, I'M NOT, UH, NOT OPPOSING, UM, ANY TYPE OF, UH, TYPE OF, UH, OF TECHNICAL IMPROVEMENT, UH, TECHNOLOGY IMPROVEMENT IN THE AREA. 
          BUT, UH, JUST WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THIS IS. 
          WILL IT AFFECT EXISTING, UH, WIFI IN THE AREA? DON'T KNOW. 
          UH, AND THE QUESTION BASICALLY COMES UP BECAUSE ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO WE HAD A WIFI TOWER PUT UP JUST ABOUT 500 FEET FROM MY HOUSE, NO PERMISSION. 
          IT JUST APPEARED ONE WEEKEND. 
          AND, UM, THAT WAS FOR TELECOMMUNICATIONS USE. 
          NOBODY KNEW, NO NOTIFICATION. 
          AND YET THERE IT WAS. 
          UH, IT HAS CAUSED SOME DISRUPTION IN, IN, UH, SOME PEOPLE'S HOMES, FORTUNATELY NOT MINE. 
          BUT, UH, AT ANY RATE, UM, I'D JUST LIKE TO KNOW IF ANYBODY KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT THIS TECHNOLOGY DOES INTERESTED TO, UH, FIND OUT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, SIR. 
          ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? IF NOT, I'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND BRING IT BACK BEHIND THE RAIL COMMISSIONERS STAFF. 
          MAYBE IF WE CAN JUST HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF DETAIL. 
          I'M ASSUMING THIS, MY UNDERSTANDING, THIS IS A CELL COMMUNICATION TOWER. 
          THERE'S AN EXISTING, UH, CARRIER THAT IS ON THE SAME POLE. 
          SO I SUPPOSE WE'D LIKE TO KNOW WHO THIS CARRIER IS. 
          UM, I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY ANSWER THE MAJORITY OF HIS QUESTIONS. 
          SO, UH, YES, TH THIS, UH, WOULD BE A WIRELESS TELECOMMUNICATIONS FACILITY FOR DISH MOBILE. 
          DISH MOBILE. 
          IF, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH, UH, DISH WIRELESS, THE SATELLITE COMPANY, THEY'RE STARTING TO MOVE INTO THE WIRELESS, UM, BEING A WIRELESS CARRIER AS FAR AS BEING A CELL PHONE OPERATOR. 
          SO THIS WOULD ENABLE THEM TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THEIR CELL PHONE SERVICE. 
          UM, LET'S SEE, AND TERMS OF IT, YEAH, SO IT, IT WOULD NOT BE NECESSARY FOR WIFI OR SOME OF THOSE THINGS. 
          IT'S FOR, TO ENABLE CELL, UH, CELL PHONE COMMUNICATIONS. 
          AND, AND DO YOU KNOW WHO THE OTHER CARRIER IS THAT'S ON THAT POLE? I DON'T MEAN TO CATCH YOU OFF GUARD THERE, BUT NO, I'M NOT FROM THERE ARE, THERE ARE OTHER, UM, THERE ARE OTHER CARRIERS THAT OPERATE ON THAT SITE. 
          AND PART OF THE, THE THING ABOUT THIS IS THAT THAT ENTIRE PARCEL, WHICH EXTENDS, UH, I BELIEVE CLOSE TO HALF OF A MILE, IT HAS THAT SAME ADDRESS. 
          AND SO SCE HAS SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT THEY DO NOT LIKE CO-LOCATIONS ON THEIR SPECIFIC TOWER. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE ONE INDIVIDUAL TOWER, THEY DON'T LIKE IT FOR IT TO HAVE MULTIPLE CELL PHONE SITES ON THERE. 
          SO IT'S LIKE, WELL, IF IT'S ON ONE TOWER, IT MAY BE FOR ONE CARRIER, IT'S ANOTHER TOWER, IT MAY BE FOR ANOTHER CARRIER, BUT THEY ALL HAVE THE SAME ADDRESS, WHICH WOULD BE 72 50 ATHERTON. 
          BUT ALSO TOO, AND FOR PART OF THE REASON WHY, SIR, YOU WERE NOT RECEIVED, YOU DIDN'T RECEIVE A NOTICE, IS BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT, THAT SINCE THAT SITE DOES HAVE SUCH A LARGE SIZE, YOUR UM, YOUR INDIVIDUAL RESIDENCE WOULD FALL OUTSIDE OF THAT NOTICING RADIUS. 
          BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THE ADDRESS IS 72 50 ATHERTON, WHICH ALL COMES OUT. 
          IT COMES OUT THAT WAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND IF STEPH COULD JUST, I, I KNOW WE'VE HAD THIS IN THE PAST, MAYBE ARE SOME OF THE NEW COMMISSIONERS, THE HEALTH AND SAFETY PART OF THE CELLULAR COMMUNICATION, I BELIEVE IS OUTSIDE OF OUR PURVIEW AND IS ACTUALLY A FEDERAL MANDATE THAT THAT'S CORRECT. 
          SO, UM, WE ARE VERY LIMITED IN WHAT WE CAN CONSIDER, AND PARTICULARLY WE CANNOT CONSIDER THE HEALTH EFFECTS OF WIRELESS FACILITIES LIKE THIS ONE WHEN DECIDING WHETHER TO APPROVE OR DENY AN APPLICATION. 
          AND THAT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A FEDERAL LAW THAT PREVENTS US FROM DOING THAT. 
          BUT WHAT THAT, IT DOES DO, AND THE LAW SPECIFICALLY STATES THAT NO STATE, STATE OR LOCAL GOVERNMENT OR INSTRUMENTALITY THEREOF MAY REGULATE THE PLACEMENT CONSTRUCTION OR MODIFICATION OF THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES ON THE BASIS OF ENVIRONMENTAL EFFECTS. 
          SO LONG AS THEY FALL WITHIN, UM, THIS EMISSION STANDARD AND THERE IS A FEDERALLY ADOPTED STANDARD THAT THEY CANNOT EXCEED RELATIVE TO RF EMISSIONS. 
          SO WE CAN ASK THAT QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER THE OPERATIONS WILL EXCEED THAT EMISSION STANDARDS, BUT WE ARE NOT ABLE TO 
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MAKE A DETER DETERMINATION ABOUT ITS PLACEMENT BASED ON HEALTH EFFECTS IF IT FALLS WITHIN THAT THRESHOLD. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU FOR ALL THOSE CLARIFICATIONS, COMMISSIONERS. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, WITH THAT, I THINK WE WILL, UH, BRING THE QUESTION UP. 
          IF WE COULD HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          COMMISSIONER CLEMSON. 
          AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ. 
          EDMOND AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER LAGA. 
          AYE. 
          VICE CHAIR TEMPLIN AYE. 
          CHAIR LEWIS. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IF WE COULD HAVE THE NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS. 
          ITEM FOUR IS RECOMMENDATION TO ADOPT A MITIGATED NEGATIVE DECLARATION AND APPROVE A VESTING TENTATIVE TRACK MAP TO SUBDIVIDE AN EXISTING SITE LOCATED AT 45 0 1 ORANGE AVENUE CONSISTING OF THREE LOTS TOTALING 1.014 ACRES INTO ONE MASTER GROUND LOT AND 32 CONDOMINIUM AIR SPACES IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF 32 3 STORY TOWN HOMES WITH ATTACHED GARAGES. 
          WHICH PROJECT WAS APPROVED BY THE SITE PLAN REVIEW COMMITTEE ON JANUARY 12TH, 2022 AND IS LOCATED IN THE GENERAL PLAN PLACE TYPE DESIGNATION OF NEIGHBORHOOD SERVING CORRIDOR LOW DENSITY DISTRICT FIVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO HEAR THIS ITEM PLEASE? SO MOVE , EVERYONE. 
          YOU THE MICROPHONE? SO I'M LIKE WHERE I WAS GONNA MOVE, BUT I'LL SECOND . 
          OKAY, PERFECT. 
          I'VE GOT COMMISSIONER CLEMSON AS THE FIRST AND COMMISSIONER EDMUND AS THE SECOND. 
          ANYWAY, SORRY. 
          THANK YOU THERE. 
          A STAFF REPORT CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS. 
          YES. 
          PROJECT PLANNER JONATHAN AND YESA WILL PROVIDE THE STAFF REPORT, GOODIE ME CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC BEFORE YOU AS A TRACK MAP FOR, UH, CONDOMINIUM PURPOSES FOR YOUR REVIEW AND CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING. 
          THE PROJECT SITE IS LOCATED IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF SAN ANTONIO DRIVE IN ORANGE AVENUE. 
          HAS A PLACE TYPE OF NSCL, WHICH IS NEIGHBORHOOD SERVING CENTER OR CORRIDOR LOAD DENSITY, AND HAS A ZONING CURRENTLY OF COMMUNITY AUTOMOBILE, A COMMERCIAL COMMUNITY AUTOMOBILE ORIENTATED CCA CURRENT ONSITE IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDE A MULTI-TENANT COMMERCIAL, UH, STRUCTURES, UH, AND USES AND, AND A PARKING LOT, UH, ALSO EXISTING AS A PRIVATELY OWNED LANDSCAPED AREA, WHICH I WANT TO ITERATE THAT IT'S PRIVATELY OWNED AND IT'S NOT A PUBLIC PARK. 
          UH, THE VICINITY AS THE SLIDE SHOWS, IS SURROUNDED BY, UH, CONSISTENT COMMERCIAL USES TO THE NORTH AND TO THE EAST AND SURROUNDING THAT FLANKING THAT WOULD BE A MIXTURE OF RESIDENTIAL USES, BOTH LOW DENSITY AND MEDIUM DENSITY MULTI-STORY RESIDENTIAL. 
          THE ITEM BEFORE YOU IS IN CONJUNCTION OF OUR LARGEST SCOPE. 
          AS THE SLIDE SHOWS THE PROJECT APPLICANT IS POISED TO DEVELOP A 32 TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT, WHICH INCLUDES TWO AND THREE BEDROOM UNITS. 
          THEY ARE THREE STORIES IN HEIGHT AND HAVE ATTACHED ONE AND TWO CAR GARAGES. 
          THE PROJECT ALSO FEATURES EIGHT GUEST PARKING SPACES. 
          THAT PARTICULAR SCOPE WAS REVIEWED BY THE SITE PLAN REVIEW COMMITTEE ON JANUARY 12TH, 2022. 
          THAT BODY SUBSEQUENTLY APPROVED THE LAYOUT DESIGN SITE PLANNING PROGRAMMING FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT. 
          SINCE THE PROPOSED UNIT COUNT DID NOT MEET THE 50 UNIT THRESHOLD FOR THIS COMMISSION, IT WAS THE SPRC THAT WAS TASKED TO REVIEW THAT PROJECT. 
          THE, THE OVERALL PROJECT FURTHER PROPOSALS TO MAKE THESE UNITS AVAILABLE FOR PRIVATE HOME OWNERSHIP. 
          THIS ACTION REQUIRES THE REVIEW OF THIS BODY. 
          THOSE WITH THE KEY EYE FOR DETAILS MAY HAVE NOTICED THAT THE ZONE IS COMMERCIAL CCA, YET THE OVERALL SCOPE INCLUDES RESIDENTIAL UNITS. 
          I WILL ALSO POINT OUT THAT THIS APPLICATION INITIALLY INCLUDED A ZONE CHANGE REQUEST FROM COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL. 
          HOWEVER, THIS ACTION IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE PROJECT DESCRIPTION TODAY, WHICH BEGS THE INQUIRY OF WHY ISN'T THERE A ZONE CHANGE. 
          AS NOTED EARLIER, THE PLACE TYPE IS NSCL, WHICH ALLOWS FOR RESIDENTIAL USES UP TO THREE STORIES IN HEIGHT AND ALLOWS DENSITIES UP TO 44 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. 
          THEREFORE, THERE IS A GAP BETWEEN THE EXISTING ZONING AND THE PLACE TYPE. 
          RECENT UPDATED STATE LAW ACKNOWLEDGES THIS GAP IN LOCAL PLANNING EFFORTS. 
          MORE SPECIFICALLY, GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION STATED ON THIS SLIDE STATES THAT A LOCAL AGENCY MAY NOT REQUIRE A REZONING WHEN THE GENERAL PLAN STANDARDS ARE MET. 
          THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS RESIDENTIAL IS THREE STORIES IN HEIGHT AND EQUATES TO A DENSITY OF 31.68 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. 
          MEETING THE PLACE TYPE STANDARDS 
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AND RENDERING THE PROJECT EXEMPT FROM A ZONE CHANGE. 
          ONGOING CITYWIDE REZONING WORK IS CURRENTLY UNDERWAY TO BRING THAT DISCREPANCY AND BRING ZONING UP TO THE GENERAL PLACE TYPE. 
          SO IF IT'S NOT FOR DESIGN AND IT'S NOT FOR ZONE CHANGE, AGAIN, WHY ARE WE HERE THIS AFTERNOON? THE PROJECT APPLICANT SEEKS TO SUBDIVIDE AGAIN, THE 32 TOWN HOMES INTO AIRSPACE LOTS FOR PRIVATE HOME OWNERSHIP. 
          THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS TASKED WITH REVIEWING SET TRACK MAP FOR CONSISTENCY WITH THE GENERAL PLAN. 
          THIS BODY MUST FIND THAT THE FINDINGS CAN BE MADE IN THE POSITIVE BEFORE SUCH REQUESTS COULD BE GRANTED. 
          COMPLETE FINDINGS WERE DRAFTED AND INCLUDED IN YOUR DOCKET FOR YOUR REVIEW THEREIN DETAILS HOW THE SUBDIVISION MEETS THE USE INTENT OF THE GENERAL PLAN, HOW THE DEVELOPMENT MEETS SETBACKS, HOW IT MEETS HEIGHT, PARKING, REQUIREMENTS, DENSITY, AND OTHER DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. 
          UH, IT ALSO DETAILS HOW THE SITE IS PHYSICALLY SUITABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT, AS IS LOCATED IN URBANIZED AREA WHERE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE CAN SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENTS. 
          ONE ADDITIONAL FINDING THAT I'D LIKE TO REVIEW WITH YOU IS TIED TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL DOCUMENT PREPARED FOR THIS PROJECT. 
          THE CITY STAFF WITH THE EXTRAORDINARY HELP OF LSA ASSOCIATES, UH, PREPARED AN INITIAL STUDY AND A MITIGATED NEGATIVE DECLARATION FOR THIS PROJECT, I, S, M AND D FOR SHORT. 
          THIS EQL PROCESS INTENDS TO INFORM CITY STAFF THIS COMMISSION AND THE, UH, COMMUNITY AT LARGE ABOUT ANY POTENTIAL PROJECTS, ANY POTENTIAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS THIS PROJECT COULD HAVE. 
          AND IF THEY EXIST, HOW BEST TO MITIGATE THEM FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, TWO ENVIRONMENTAL TOPICS AFFECT THIS PROJECT. 
          THE FIRST ONE ON TOPIC OF GEOLOGY AND SOILS. 
          DUE TO THE PROXIMITY OF THE NEWPORT INGLEWOOD FAULTS, THE DOCUMENTED KNOWLEDGES, POTENTIAL SEISMIC IMPACTS. 
          ACCORDINGLY, MITIGATION MEASURES INCLUDED, RECOMMEND A GEOTECHNICAL REPORT, A GEOTECHNICAL MONITORING AND DOCUMENTATION. 
          THIS IS A COMMON REQUIREMENT THAT EXISTS AND IS CONSISTENT WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT REVIEWED. 
          MOVING ON, WHILE NO RECORDS WERE FOUND IN REGARD TO POTENTIAL FOSSIL LOCALITIES ON THIS SITE, THE STUDY DOES ACKNOWLEDGE POTENTIAL SITES NEARBY TO ENSURE THAT POTENTIAL IMPACTS TO UNDISCOVERED RESOURCES REMAIN LESS THAN SIGNIFICANT. 
          THE DOCUMENT DICTATES THE PREPARATION OF A PALEONTOLOGICAL IMPACT REPORT. 
          BE PREPARED TO PROTECT ANY POTENTIAL RESOURCES THAT MAY EXIST TO MONITOR CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES AND TO DOCUMENT ANY RESOURCES SHOULD THEY EXIST. 
          THE SECOND TOPIC OF INTEREST IS THAT OF HAZARDOUS MATERIALS. 
          A DRY CLEANERS PREVIOUSLY EXISTED ON SITE. 
          A COMMON SOLVING USED BY SUCH BUSINESSES WAS FOUND ON SITE AS DETAILED IN THE DOCUMENTS AND VAPOR EXTRACTION RULES WERE INSTALLED AND OPERATED FOR A ONE YEAR PERIOD DURING APRIL, 2020 TO APRIL, 2021 TO REMOVE TRACES OF THE MATERIALS. 
          AS THIS PROJECT IS FOR RESIDENTIAL USE AND INDUSTRY STANDARD MITIGATION MEASURE WAS REQUIRED BY THE DOCUMENT TO ENSURE THAT SUBSURFACE HAZARDOUS MATERIALS ARE NOT RELEASED INTO THE ENVIRONMENT. 
          ACCORDINGLY, MITIGATION MEASURES PREPARED WILL REQUIRE A VAPOR INTRUSION BARRIER. 
          THE RESULTING DRAFT DOCUMENT WAS CIRCULATED FOR PUBLIC REVIEW BETWEEN SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER OF 2023. 
          COMMENTS RECEIVED DURING THIS PERIOD WERE COMPILED AND WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF LSA RESPONSES WERE DRAFTED AND UPDATES WERE MADE TO THE STUDY. 
          COMMENTS REFLECTED, UH, WERE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET AND PREPARE IT AS A FINAL ISMD. 
          THE CONCLUSION OF THIS EFFORT IS THAT THE PROJECT WOULD NOT RESULT IN SIGNIFICANT EFFECTS TO THE ENVIRONMENT. 
          THIS APPLICATION WAS DULY NOTICED AS REQUIRED BY THE MUNICIPAL CODE. 
          RECEIVE. 
          PUBLIC COMMENTS INCLUDED A LETTER FROM LA COUNTY SANITATION, WHICH CLARIFY LANGUAGE ON HOW THEY TREAT THEIR WASTEWATER. 
          NO OTHER COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED IN SUMMATION. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS THIS BODY ADOPT A MITIGATED NEGATIVE DECLARATION AND APPROVE THE PROPOSED VEST INTENDED TO TRACK MAP AS CONDITIONED. 
          THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. 
          STAFF IS HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. 
          APPLICANT ARE ALSO OUR SQL EXPERTS. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. 
          COMMISSIONERS. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT AND DO YOU WISH TO ADD ANYTHING TO STAFF'S PRESENTATION? GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER CLINTON. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, IN LOOKING AT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT, IT SAYS THAT THE PROJECT IS IN ALIGNMENT WITH SOME OF THE CAP GOALS, INCLUDING IMPROVING THE PEDESTRIAN INFRASTRUCTURE AND BIKING INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          COULD YOU EXPLAIN HOW THAT, UH, ALIGNS WITH THOSE GOALS? CONDI, UH, AS PART OF THE PROCESS, WE, UM, 
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CONS CONSIDER OUR COLLEAGUES IN PUBLIC WORKS. 
          AND SO THEY GIVE US CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL TO IMPROVE THE PUBLIC REALM, WHICH INCLUDES IMPROVEMENTS TO SIDEWALKS, TO THE BIKE LANE. 
          UH, THERE'S ALSO, UH, ADJACENT, THERE'S A LBT STOP, WHICH CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL ALSO REQUIRE BRINGING THAT INTO CURRENT DESIGN STANDARDS, UH, UP TO THEIR DISCRETION. 
          AND I DID ALSO JUST WANNA CLARIFY, THIS IS A MITIGATED NEGATIVE DECLARATION, NOT AN EIR. 
          SO JUST FOR THE, THE RECORD, THE ENVIRONMENTAL DOCUMENT. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, WITH THAT, I'LL OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE COME FORWARD TO THE PODIUM. 
          IF YOU COULD INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. 
          GOOD EVENING AND THANK YOU FOR, UM, ADDRESSING THIS. 
          UH, MY NAME IS PATRICK WILLIAMS. UM, I HAVE BEEN A PROUD, UM, MEMBER OF THE BIX V KNOWLES COMMUNITY SINCE 2003. 
          I USED TO OWN A HOUSE AT ATLANTIC AND DEL LAMO AND SILVA. 
          AND SINCE 2018, I HAVE RENTED AT THE, UM, APARTMENT COMPLEX DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM WHERE THIS WOULD BE. 
          UH, THE NEIGHBORHOODS COMPLETELY, UH, LACKING PARKING. 
          IT'S ALSO LACKING INFRASTRUCTURE SUCH AS PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY. 
          UM, I MYSELF, I DON'T DRIVE. 
          I TAKE BUSES AND, UM, I USED TO TAKE SCOOTERS, BUT FOR SOME REASON THE SCOOTERS ARE ONLY ON ATLANTIC. 
          THEY'RE, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO PARK 'EM ON ORANGE ANYMORE. 
          SO I HAVE TO WALK THAT HALF MILE JUST FROM GETTING GROCERIES TO COME BACK TO MY PLACE. 
          THERE'S NO BUS THAT GOES ALONG SAN ANTONIO, AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED. 
          UH, IF, IF, AND WHY I BRING THIS UP IS IF THIS GOES THROUGH AND YOU THINK ABOUT, OKAY, SO THERE'S 36 BUILDINGS. 
          IS THAT TWO TO FOUR CARS PER EACH? IF THERE'S ONLY ONE TO TWO SPACES IN THOSE GARAGES, WHERE ARE THE CARS GOING? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE RESIDENTS THAT HAVE TO PARK ON DIFFERENT STREETS THAN THEY LIVE ON IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, WHERE THE HOUSES BEGIN ONCE, LIKE THERE'S A CIRCLE AREA, AND ONCE YOU GET PAST THAT CIRCLE AREA AND YOU GET TO GUNDRY OR GOLDFIELD AND THOSE TYPE OF STREETS, UM, JUST PAST BANNER AND PARK HAVE, UM, WHEN YOU GET TO THOSE STREETS, IT'S, THOSE HOUSES HAVE ALL THESE CARS PARKED IN FRONT OF IT THAT BELONG TO THE APARTMENT BUILDINGS, THE APARTMENT BUILDINGS THAT ARE LOCATED ON PARK, WHICH IS PART OF THIS. 
          AND THEN THE ONES LOCATED ON BANNER. 
          SOME OF THOSE LANDLORDS AREN'T RENTING OUT THE GARAGES TO THE RESIDENTS. 
          SO THOSE RESIDENTS ARE HAVING TO FIND PLACES TO PARK. 
          I INVITE ANYBODY ON THIS COMMISSION TO PLEASE COME BY ON A FRIDAY NIGHT, A SATURDAY NIGHT, AND TRY TO FIND A PARKING SPOT IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          I ALSO WANT YOU TO COUNT THE NUMBER OF CARS THAT WILL SIT ON BANNER OR PARK WITH THEIR, UM, FLASHERS ON AS THEY GO TO DELIVER FOOD OR TRY TO FIND A PARKING SPOT OR UNLOAD THEIR CAR DURING THOSE NIGHTS. 
          I BRING THIS UP BECAUSE ON OCTOBER 7TH, SOMEBODY LOST THEIR LIFE RIGHT AT THIS LOCATION. 
          THE POLICE REPORT, PUT IT ON BANNER, PUT IT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET. 
          THAT'S NOT TRUE. 
          IF YOU GO THERE NOW, THERE IS A MEMORIAL AT THE LIGHT POST RIGHT AT THIS ADDRESS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THE FAMILY WAS JUST THERE TWO NIGHTS AGO. 
          AGAIN, LIGHTING CANDLES AND US IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE KEEP THE CANDLES GOING. 
          UM, I BELIEVE HAD THERE BEEN A PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY THERE, THIS COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED. 
          THERE'S NO OFFICIAL CROSSWALK FROM SAN ANTONIO UNTIL YOU GET ALL THE WAY DOWN TO CARSON ON ORANGE. 
          WITH THE LACK OF PARKING THAT WE HAVE AND THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE LIKE PARKING BLOCKS AND BLOCKS AWAY FROM THEIR APARTMENT BUILDINGS, UM, THEY ARE CONSTANTLY HAVING A JAYWALK ACROSS. 
          AND I DO TOO ACROSS ORANGE. 
          AND IT'S, IT'S DIFFICULT. 
          I CARRY A FLASHLIGHT. 
          I CARRY BRIGHT THINGS NOW WHEN I DO IT. 
          UM, ANOTHER THING IS THE COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES THAT ARE THERE, I DON'T QUITE GET WHAT'S IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER. 
          IT SAYS THE CHRISTIAN BUILDING OF LONG BEACH OR SOMETHING ON, ON GOOGLE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          PLEASE WRAP UP YOUR COMMENT, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S THAT. 
          UM, WE'RE GONNA LOSE A RESTAURANT, WE'RE GONNA LOSE A GYM, WE'RE GONNA LOSE A HAIRSTYLIST. 
          WE'RE GONNA LOSE, UM, JUST A COMMUNITY IF THIS GOES THROUGH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, SIR. 
          ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS? HELLO, MY NAME IS MIRIAM PRIAS. 
          AND, AND HOW, I'M SORRY, COULD YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE? SORRY. 
          YOU CAN ADJUST IT IF YOU WANT. 
          BEND DOWN. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          HI, MY NAME IS MIRIAM FRIS. 
          AND, UM, JUST HOW PATRICK MENTIONED, UM, I AM A PART OF THE FAMILY OF WHO OWNS THE RESTAURANT, WHO IS PART OF THAT BUSINESS. 
          UM, I JUST WANNA MENTION THAT IF THIS PROJECT DOES GO THROUGH, IT IS AFFECTING MANY PEOPLE, INCLUDING MY 
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FAMILY. 
          UM, IT IS OUR LIVELIHOOD. 
          IT IS HOW, UM, WE'VE BEEN GETTING OUR INCOME FOR THE PAST 15 YEARS. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT'S REALLY GONNA AFFECT A LOT OF PEOPLE, NOT ONLY US, BUT LIKE HOW HE MENTIONED, UM, THE OTHER BUSINESSES, THE BARBERSHOP, UM, THE LIQUOR THAT'S THERE. 
          I FORGET WHAT OTHER BUSINESS ARE THERE, BUT IT IS GONNA AFFECT A LOT OF US. 
          AND YEAH, WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR THE PAST 15 YEARS. 
          UM, WE'VE PUT A, A LOT OF, UM, A LOT OF OUR HARD WORK INTO THAT BUSINESS. 
          SO YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT COMMENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. 
          ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT, SEEING NONE, I WILL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND BRING IT BACK BEHIND THE RAIL COMMISSIONERS, NO QUESTIONS? NOPE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WITH THAT, WE WILL, UH, ASK FOR THE ROLL CALL THEN. 
          COMMISSIONER CLEMSON. 
          AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ. 
          EDMOND AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER LAGA. 
          AYE. 
          VICE CHAIR TEMPLIN AYE. 
          CHAIR LEWIS. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          I BELIEVE THAT CONCLUDES A REGULAR BUSINESS. 
          AND BRINGS US TO OUR STUDY SESSION ITEM. 
          ITEM FIVE IS RECOMMENDATION TO CONDUCT A STUDY SESSION REGARDING A ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT EFFORT TO UPDATE AND ADOPT A LOCAL ORDINANCE REGULATING ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS AND TWO UNIT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS. 
          I HAVE A LITTLE CLARIFICATION. 
          DO WE NEED A MOTION TO HEAR? A STUDY SESSION WILL NOT BE TAKING ANY ACTION ON THE STUDY SESSION. 
          THE MOST I WILL LET YOU DO IS RECEIVE AND FILE IT. 
          SO IF YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE A MOTION DOING THAT, YOU'RE WELCOME TO DO SO. 
          UM, IT MAKES CLEAR THAT THAT'S ALL YOU'RE DOING, SO IF YOU'D LIKE TO DO THAT, OTHERWISE IT WILL AND INS ZONE. 
          ALL RIGHT, IF I COULD HAVE A MOTION TO HEAR THIS ITEM OF THE STUDY SESSION. 
          SO MOVE. 
          SECOND COMM TEMPLE COMMISSIONER CLEMSON. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS AND CHAIR. 
          UH, SO TONIGHT WE'RE BRINGING YOU A STUDY SESSION, UH, ON THE ONGOING EFFORT TO UPDATE THE LOCAL ORDINANCE FOR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS. 
          SO OUR ADUS AND ADOPT THE FIRST LOCAL ORDINANCE FOR RESIDENTIAL TWO UNIT DEVELOPMENTS, ALSO KNOWN AS SB NINE. 
          UH, SO HERE'S A BRIEF SUMMARY OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA COVER TONIGHT. 
          UM, SO THE OVERVIEW OF THE EFFORT, THEN A DISCUSSION OF ADUS, DISCUSSION OF SSB NINE, HOW THE TWO INTERACT, AND THEN WE'LL COVER THE, UH, OUTREACH PROCESS WE'VE DONE SO FAR, UH, WHAT OUR NEXT STEPS ARE GONNA BE, AND THEN OPEN IT UP TO, UH, DISCUSSION AND INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC AND THE COMMISSION. 
          SO AS A WAY OF BACKGROUND, UH, STATE LAW HAS IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS HAS IMPOSED A SERIES OF MANDATES FOR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS AND JUNIOR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, AND MOST RECENTLY SB NINE UNITS ON LOCAL AGENCIES, WHICH ESTABLISH MINIMUMS THAT LOCAL AGENCIES MUST ALLOW. 
          SO IN BRIEF, AND TO TAKE THE MOST COMMON EXAMPLE, UH, PUTTING THIS ALL TOGETHER ON A SITE WITH A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING, UH, THIS NORMALLY MEANS THAT, UH, LOCAL AGENCIES, SUCH AS THE CITY, MUST ALLOW AT LEAST ONE 800 SQUARE FOOT A DU ONE 500 SQUARE FOOT JUNIOR A DU, AND POSSIBLY, UH, UP TO AN 800 SQUARE FOOT SSB NINE UNIT. 
          UM, THOSE ARE THE MINIMUMS THAT MUST BE PERMITTED IN MOST CIRCUMSTANCES, ALTHOUGH THE SSB NINE UNITS HAVE A LOT OF EXCEPTIONS AS TO WHERE THEY CAN AND CAN'T BE BILLED. 
          SO THAT'S KIND OF A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF, OF WHAT, WHAT THE A DU AND, AND, UH, JUNIOR A DU AND SB NINE, UH, LAWS MEAN. 
          UH, HOWEVER, STATE LAW ALSO ALLOWS LOCAL AGENCIES TO ADOPT LOCAL ORDINANCES THAT ADD LOCAL STANDARDS FOR ADUS, JUNIOR ADUS, AND SB NINE UNITS AS LONG AS LOCAL ORDINANCE, UH, DOES NOT CONFLICT WITH STATE LAW. 
          UH, SO THE CITY CAN USE A LOCAL ORDINANCE TO ACCOMPLISH A NUMBER OF GOALS, INCLUDING MAKING THE LAW MORE USER FRIENDLY, UH, ADDING ALLOWABLE, UH, LOCAL REGULATIONS TO FIT LOCAL NEEDS AND CIRCUMSTANCES, AND THEN TO FURTHER THE CITY'S, UH, PRO HOUSING POLICIES AND HOUSING PRODUCTION GOALS. 
          SO IN BRIEF HERE, THE MAIN GOALS, UH, THAT WE HAVE IN MIND AS WE ARE GOING THROUGH THIS EFFORT, UH, IS TO CREATE A SET OF CLEAR AND CONCISE ORDINANCES THAT SUPPORT HOUSING WHILE REFLECTING COMMUNITY DESIGN PRIORITIES, UH, TO THE GREATEST EXTENT FEASIBLE UNDER STATE LAW. 
          UM, WE ALSO WANT TO FORMALIZE THE INTEGRATION OF ADUS AND SB NINE UNITS 
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INTO THE CITY'S OVERALL HOUSING STRATEGY AND GENERAL PLAN POLICIES AND OTHER ONGOING PLANNING EFFORTS. 
          AND THEN, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS SLIDE, OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO COMPLY WITH STATE LAW AS WELL AND, UH, TO CONTINUE TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY IN THIS EFFORT. 
          SO, UH, GOING INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL, UM, IN TERMS OF OUR GOALS, UM, FOR THE A DU PORTION, THE A DU ORDINANCE, UH, SOME OF THESE GOALS INCLUDE INCORPORATING THE, THE LATEST CHANGES TO STATE LAW, WHICH WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MORE, UM, FORMALIZING, LIKE I SAID, OUR APPROACH TO USING ADUS AS A METHOD TO, UM, LEGALIZE ON PERMITTED UNITS AND PROVIDING INCENTIVES, UH, FOR GOOD A DU DEVELOPMENT, ENSURING THAT, UH, ADUS HAVE BENEFICIAL DESIGN THAT ARE BENEFICIAL TO, UH, THE FUTURE RESIDENTS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND THEN INCENTIVIZING A DU, UH, CONSTRUCTION THAT, UH, INCORPORATES COMMUNITY PRIORITIZED FEATURES FOR THE SB NINE PORTION. 
          AND AGAIN, THESE WILL BE TWO SEPARATE ORDINANCES THAT KIND OF GO HAND IN HAND. 
          UM, OUR GOALS ARE TO ADOPT A NEW ORDINANCE, ESTABLISHING THE SB NINE PROCESS AND COMPLIANCE WITH STATE LAW FOR THE FIRST TIME LOCALLY, UH, WHILE CUSTOMIZING THESE REGULATIONS TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED IN A WAY THAT FITS LOCAL NEEDS, UM, AS WELL AS CLARIFYING THE SB NINE PROCESS FOR APPLICANTS AND STAFF, SINCE IT CAN BE DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN IN STATE LAW. 
          HERE WE GO. 
          SO AS PART OF THIS EFFORT, WE'VE LOOKED AT WHAT OTHER, UH, CITIES, OTHER JURISDICTIONS ARE DOING. 
          SOME OF THE MEASURES UNDER CONSIDERATION. 
          UM, ARE THESE OTHER MEASURES BEING USED BY OTHER JURISDICTIONS? UH, THESE INCLUDE, UH, IMPLEMENTATION MEASURES SUCH AS INCORPORATING OBVIOUSLY THE RECENT CHANGES TO STATE LAW, INCLUDING SOME OF THE OPTIONAL CHANGES, UM, REGULATING SPECIFIC ARCHITECTURAL STYLES AND MATERIALS, UH, AND PROVIDING PRE-APPROVED A DU PLANS TO THE PUBLIC, WHICH IS A SIGNIFICANT ONGOING EFFORT THAT BUILDING AND SAFETY HAS ENGAGED IN. 
          UM, A NUMBER OF INCENTIVES ALSO ARE OFFERED BY OTHER JURISDICTIONS, INCLUDING EXTRA OR LARGER A DU DEVELOPMENT AND POTENTIALLY WAIVING BUILDING PERMIT FEES OR IMPACT FEES. 
          ALTHOUGH THESE ARE HIGHLY JURISDICTION DEPENDENT AND MAY OR MAY NOT BE POSSIBLE IN LONG BEACH. 
          UM, OTHER JURISDICTIONS ALSO PROVIDE EDUCATIONAL TOOLS TO THE PUBLIC, SUCH AS A DU DEVELOPMENT MANUALS, FAQ DOCUMENTS AND VIDEOS, WHICH WE ALSO STRIVE TO DO, BUT WILL CONTINUE TO DEVELOP. 
          UM, SOME AGENCIES ALSO ARE ABLE TO PROVIDE FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE, UH, FOR A DU DEVELOPMENT, UM, THAT COULD BE, UH, THROUGH CONSTRUCTION LOANS AND TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE. 
          SO ONE OF THE SORT OF BIG THINGS WE'RE CONSIDERING AS PART OF THIS EFFORT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW CAN WE FAC BEST FACILITATE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT THROUGH ADUS WHILE INCENTIVIZING COMMUNITY PRIORITIES AND NEEDS? UH, WHAT ARE THE CITY'S DESIGN PRIORITIES, UH, TO THE EXTENT WE'RE ALLOWED TO ESTABLISH THOSE BY STATE LAW FOR ADUS, JUNIOR ADUS, AND ALL THE DIFFERENT CONFIGURATIONS THEY MIGHT HAVE. 
          UM, AND THEN WHERE SHOULD SB NINE UNITS BE ALLOWED, IF WE CHOOSE TO ALLOW ABOVE AND BEYOND WHERE THEY'RE MANDATED TO BE ALLOWED IN THE R ONE ZONES, WHICH WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IN A MINUTE HERE, UM, POSSIBLY IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS, COASTAL ZONE AREAS. 
          AND THEN ARE THERE ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS WE WOULD, UH, LIKE TO APPLY TO EITHER ADUS, JUNIOR ADUS, OR SB NINE UNITS IN THESE SENSITIVE AREAS? UH, SO WE'LL AGAIN, WE WILL REVISIT THESE, UH, QUESTIONS AS WE WRAP UP THE PRESENTATION. 
          HERE'S KINDA A TIMELINE THAT SHOWS YOU IN A BRIEF HISTORY OF STATE LAW IN RECENT YEARS, UH, WHICH REALLY BEGAN, UH, WITH A MAJOR SHIFT IN 2017. 
          UM, THE CITY ADO ADOPTED A LOCAL A DU ORDINANCE IN 2017. 
          UNFORTUNATELY, THAT WAS MOSTLY VOIDED BY ANOTHER LARGE SHIFT IN STATE LAW AT THE BEGINNING OF 2020. 
          UM, THE CITY SINCE 2020, THE BEGINNING OF 2020, HAS BEEN OPERATING DIRECTLY UNDER STATE LAW SINCE THAT TIME. 
          UH, SO WE'RE OPERATING DIRECTLY UNDER BOTH STATE LAW FOR ADUS AND FOR SB NINE, UM, UNDER STATE LAW AS WE'RE CURRENTLY IMPLEMENTING ADUS. 
          UM, THIS SLIDE SORT OF SHOWS SOME OF THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, UH, THAT APPLY TO ADU. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE THE, THE HEIGHT THAT'S PERMITTED, UH, THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS, SETBACK REQUIREMENTS. 
          UM, THERE'S VERY LIMITED OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS AND THERE'S A REQUIREMENT FOR MINISTERIAL APPROVAL. 
          THIS IS BASICALLY HOW THE CITY IS APPLYING STATE A DU LAW. 
          IT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLEX THAN THIS, UM, BUT THIS IS BASICALLY, WE'RE JUST TAKING IT STRAIGHT OUTTA THE STATE LAW BOOKS. 
          SORRY, COULD YOU GO BACK A SLIDE? YOU'RE YOU'RE GOING A LITTLE FASTER THAN I DO. 
          SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          IT'S ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, SO I CAN WALK THROUGH THESE INDIVIDUALLY IF YOU'D LIKE, JUST SORT OF REALLY BRIEFLY. 
          UM, SO FOR EXAMPLE, MAXIMUM HEIGHT, UH, AT A SINGLE FAMILY. 
          IF SOMEONE WANTS TO DEVELOP AN A DU AT A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, TYPICALLY THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DO A, UH, TWO STORY 25 FOOT A DU, UM, AT A MULTI-FAMILY, UM, DWELLING. 
          UM, THEY CAN GO UP TO THE ZONING HEIGHT LIMIT FOR A DETACHED A DU. 
          UH, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT IF IT'S ATTACHED. 
          UM, IF IT'S AN ATTACHED A DU, IT HAS TO BE CONVERTED FROM 
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EXISTING NON INHABITABLE SPACE AND IT BASICALLY MAINTAINS THAT SAME BUILDING ENVELOPE. 
          UM, WHEN IT COMES TO PARKING, STATE LAW MANDATES THERE'S A MAXIMUM OF ONE PARKING SPACE, UH, THAT CAN BE REQUIRED, AND THAT HAS TO BE PROVIDED IN AN OPEN, FLEXIBLE, UM, PARKING ARRANGEMENT. 
          WE CANNOT REQUIRE THAT TO BE IN A GARAGE. 
          UM, THERE'S NO PARKING REQUIREMENT IF IT'S WITHIN A HALF MILE OF TRANSIT OR A LITTLE BASKET OF OTHER, UM, UH, CRITERIA. 
          UM, REPLACEMENT PARKING LIKEWISE IS NOT REQUIRED IF A APPLICANT CONVERTS A GARAGE OR OTHERWISE ELIMINATES A GARAGE PARKING SPACE OR PARKING ON THE PROPERTY. 
          UM, IN TERMS OF SETBACKS, UH, THE STATE LAW MANDATES A MINIMUM, UH, OR I'M SORRY, A MAXIMUM, UH, FOUR FOOT SETBACK FOR SIDE AND REAR, WHICH IS ACTUALLY CONSISTENT, AT LEAST ON THE SIDE WITH, WITH MOST OF OUR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, UH, SETBACKS. 
          UH, IN THE ZONING REGULATIONS, THE FOREFOOT REAR SETBACK IS SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT, BUT IT'S ALSO SIGNIFICANTLY NECESSARY TO ENABLE A D DEVELOPMENT TO OCCUR. 
          UM, EXISTING NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURES MAY MAINTAIN EXISTING NON-CONFORMING SETBACKS. 
          SO THAT MEANS UP TO AND INCLUDING IF, IF YOU HAVE A ACCESSORY BUILDING THAT IS ON ZERO SIDE AND ZERO REAR PROPERTY LINE, THAT CAN BE MAINTAINED AND CONVERTED TO AN A DU PROVIDED THAT IT COMPLIES WITH FIRE CODE BUILDING CODE AND ALL THOSE, UM, APPLICABLE STANDARDS. 
          IN TERMS OF OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS, THERE'S VERY FEW SPELLED OUT IN STATE LAW. 
          THERE ARE A HANDFUL STILL IN OUR LOCAL ORDINANCE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO APPLY. 
          UM, GENERALLY THEY HAVE TO DO WITH, UH, ARCHITECTURAL TREATMENT FOR WHEN YOU, FOR EXAMPLE, TAKE A GARAGE DOOR OUT, YOU HAVE TO FRAME IN THAT OPENING AND MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THERE WASN'T A GARAGE DOOR THERE, FOR EXAMPLE. 
          UM, AND THERE'S A HANDFUL OF OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT WE WOULD BE LOOKING TO SIGNIFICANTLY EXPAND THE OBJECTIVE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS IF POSSIBLE. 
          UM, AND THEN MOVING ON MINISTERIAL APPROVAL. 
          UH, STATE LAW DOES REQUIRE ALL A DU APPLICATIONS TO BE ACTED UPON WITHIN 60 DAYS. 
          NOW THAT THERE'S A LITTLE WRINKLE ON THAT, THAT'S A 60 DAY SHOT CLOCK, SO IT'S SORT OF 60 DAYS OF THE BALL BEING IN THE APPLICANT'S COURT. 
          UM, BUT TO CONTINUE. 
          SO, UH, AND WE CAN COME BACK, IF I WENT THROUGH THAT TOO FAST, WE CAN CERTAINLY TAKE MORE QUESTIONS. 
          UH, HERE'S SOME OF THE MAJOR RECENT A DU LEGISLATION THAT PASSED IN THE 2023 LEGISLATIVE SESSION. 
          UM, ONE OF THE BIGGEST ONES I THINK I'D WANNA HIGHLIGHT ON HERE IS AB 10 33, WHICH REQUIRES THE CITY TO OPT IN. 
          UH, BUT IF THE CITY CHOOSES TO OPT IN, IT WOULD ALLOW ADUS TO BE SOLD SEPARATELY. 
          UM, THERE'S A LARGE QUESTION OF HOW THAT WOULD BE ACCOMPLISHED IN TERMS OF, UH, CONVEYANCE AND TITLE. 
          UM, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THE STATE NOW ALLOWS US TO TRY TO, UM, LET PEOPLE DO, UM, OTHER, UH, RECENT LEGISLATION, UM, ALLOW COMMUNITY LAND TRUSTS TO BUILD ADU AND JUNIOR ADUS AND THEN, UH, MAKE A PERMANENT PROHIBITION ON OUR ABILITY TO REQUIRE OWNER OCCUPANCY ON ON A DU, WHICH IS NOT SOMETHING THAT APPLIES IN LONG BEACH ANYWAY. 
          WE DON'T HAVE OWNER OCCUPANCY REQUIREMENTS FOR FULL ADUS. 
          UM, AND THEN THE LAST ONE HERE REQUIRES A LOCAL JURISDICTION TO HAVE A PROGRAM FOR PRE-APPROVED A DU PLANS. 
          UM, AND FOR THOSE PRE-APPROVED A DU PLANS TO BE APPROVED WITHIN 30 DAYS. 
          SO THIS SLIDE KIND OF HIGHLIGHTS THE PROS AND CONS, IF YOU WILL, OF DOING A LOCAL A DU ORDINANCE VERSUS CONTINUING TO OPERATE UNDER STATE LAW. 
          OBVIOUSLY, WE WOULD PREFER TO DO LOCAL A DU ORDINANCE. 
          UM, IT'S, UH, IT GIVES US A LOT OF MAJOR BENEFITS. 
          UM, STATE LAW DOES LEAVE US SOME ROOM TO MANEUVER AND TO TAILOR THESE LOCAL ORDINANCES TO, TO MEET LOCAL NEEDS AS LONG AS THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS OF STATE LAW ARE MET. 
          UM, SO THIS WE THINK WILL BENEFIT RESIDENTS AND BUILDERS, UH, BY NUMBER ONE PROVIDING, UH, MUCH CLEARER SET OF REGULATIONS THAN THE SOMEWHAT MURKY STATE LAW LANGUAGE THAT WE'RE OPERATING OFF OF AND IMPLEMENTING RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, AS WELL AS ALLOWING THE CITY TO FORMALIZE ADUS AS PART OF OUR PRO HOUSING POLICIES, AS I THINK I MENTIONED A COUPLE TIMES ALREADY. 
          UH, AND INCENTIVIZE SOME MORE POSITIVE OUTCOMES AS WELL AS POTENTIALLY FURTHER STREAMLINING THE PROCESS. 
          UM, SORT OF THE CONS SIDE IS THAT STATE LAW IS DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND, INTERPRET, AND IMPLEMENT, WHICH IS A DAILY STRUGGLE, UH, IN OUR OFFICE. 
          UM, UH, ALTHOUGH ON THE FLIP SIDE, AT LEAST EVERYBODY ACROSS THE STATE KNOWS WHAT TO EXPECT UNDER STATE LAW. 
          SO HERE'S A MAP, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE IT ON YOUR SCREENS OR IF IT'S BETTER ON THE SCREEN BEHIND YOU, BUT THIS SHOWS WHERE ADUS ARE CURRENTLY ALLOWED IN THE CITY TODAY, UH, WHICH IS BASICALLY IN EVERY RESIDENTIAL ZONE AND EVERY SPECIFIC PLAN OR PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, UH, SUB AREA THAT ALLOWS RESIDENTIAL USES. 
          SO REALLY THIS IS THE VAST MAJORITY, UH, OF THE CITY'S AREA, WHICH IS ELIGIBLE FOR A DU DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND YOU'LL SEE SHORTLY HERE HOW THIS CONTRASTS WITH THE MUCH MORE RESTRICTED AREAS WHERE SSB NINE TWO UNIT DEVELOPMENTS ARE ALLOWED. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN, SO THIS IS BASICALLY ALL THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING IN THE CITY WHERE ADUS ARE PERMITTED, OBVIOUSLY SUBJECT TO, UM, SITE 
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RESTRICTIONS AND, AND STANDARDS AND THERE BEING ENOUGH ROOM ON THE SITE FOR IT TO BE DEVELOPED. 
          BUT THESE ARE WHERE AREAS WHERE IT'S ALLOWED, THIS SHOWS YOU WHERE ADUS HAVE BEEN BUILT. 
          SO EACH OF THESE RED DOTS IS AN A DU, UH, YOU CAN SEE, UH, THEY'RE VERY EVENLY DISTRIBUTED ACROSS ALL AREAS OF THE CITY BECAUSE INTEREST IN THE ADUS IS SO HIGH. 
          UH, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE NUMBER OF ADUS PRODUCED LAST YEAR, UM, OR YOU CAN SEE THAT THE NUMBER OF ADUS HAS INCREASED EACH YEAR, UH, STARTING WITH 82 IN 2017, UM, UP TO 840 IN 2022. 
          THAT'S THE LAST YEAR FOR WHICH WE HAVE COMPLETE DATA. 
          UH, WE EXPECT THE NUMBER FOR 2023 TO BE SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN 2022. 
          I BELIEVE THE FIVE 50 HERE IS ONLY THROUGH APRIL, 2023. 
          UH, SO SHIFTING GEARS A LITTLE BIT, UM, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT SB NINE, UH, NOW. 
          SO THIS IS, LIKE I MENTIONED, THIS IS THE STATE LAW THAT REQUIRES THE CITY TO ALLOW WHAT'S CALLED TWO UNIT DEVELOPMENTS, UH, ON LOTS IN SPECIFIC AREAS. 
          UH, SO THIS LAW COMBINES WITH THE A DU LAW TO ALLOW FOR A TOTAL OF, AS I THINK I GAVE AN EXAMPLE OF UP TO FOUR UNITS PER LOT IN SOME CIRCUMSTANCES. 
          UM, SB NINE ALSO REQUIRES A CITY TO ALLOW WHAT ARE CALLED URBAN LOT SPLITS IN SOME CIRCUMSTANCES, UH, WHICH WOULD PERMIT A SUBDIVISION OF A RESIDENTIAL LOT IN A WAY THAT NORMALLY WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN PERMITTED UNDER THE CITY'S SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE. 
          UM, BUT AS YOU MAY BE AWARE, UM, THE CITY COUNCIL RECENTLY UPDATED THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, UH, TO INCORPORATE THIS URBAN LOT SPLIT PROS PROCESS. 
          SO THAT PIECE OF THIS PUZZLE IS ALREADY, UH, ON THE BOOKS AS IT WERE. 
          UM, UNDER STATE LAW, UM, LOTS THAT ARE SUBJECT TO AN URBAN LOT SPLIT PROCESS ARE ONLY ALLOWED TWO UNITS PER LOT. 
          UH, SO AGAIN, FOR A TOTAL OF FOUR UNITS. 
          SO UNDER SB NINE, NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO, YOU START WITH ONE LOT AND YOU ONLY EVER GET A TOTAL OF FOUR UNITS FROM THAT STARTING LOT. 
          UM, WHETHER YOU SUBDIVIDE THAT LOT OR NOT, THERE'S NO WAY TO GET MORE THAN FOUR UNITS OUT OF THE LOT THAT YOU STARTED WITH. 
          CAN YOU REPEAT THAT LAST PART THAT YOU SAID? SURE. 
          SO, SO SB NINE, THE WAY IT COMBINES WITH A DU LAW, SO IF YOU START WITH A LOT THAT SAY HAS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON IT, UM, THERE'S NO WAY TO GET TO MORE THAN FOUR UNITS, UM, NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO. 
          UH, SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO SLICE IT, BUT NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO, YOU'LL NEVER END UP WITH MORE THAN FOUR UNITS FROM THE ONE LOT THAT YOU STARTED WITH. 
          AND THEN, SO I'M ACTUALLY GONNA HAND THIS PRESENTATION OVER TO MY COLLEAGUE SERGIO GUTIERREZ. 
          IS IT IS, AM I ON THE RIGHT SLIDE OR WHICH SLIDE AM I OH, NO, I HAVE A COUPLE MORE TO GO. 
          SORRY. 
          , SERGIO'S GONNA TAKE, HE'S THE, HE'S THE SUBDIVISION EXPERT, SO HE'S GONNA TAKE OVER THE OTHER HALF OF THE PRESENTATION. 
          BUT, AND SCOTT, BEFORE YOU MM-HMM. 
          , WHEN YOU GET TO THE END OF YOUR PART OF THE PRESENTATION, IF YOU COULD DO THAT EXAMPLE THAT YOU GAVE IN THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE THAT GOT SUBDIVIDED EITHER THROUGH THE ADUS OR THROUGH SB NINE, NOW THAT WE'VE HAD THE PRESENTATION, I THINK IT WOULD HELP ALL OF US TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THOSE SURE. 
          AND I, I THINK WE HAVE A SLIDE THAT ILLUSTRATES THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, EXCUSE ME. 
          MM-HMM, , WHAT IS THE, UM, MINIMUM LOT SIZE FOR YOU TO DEVELOP? SO FOR ADUS, UM, AND JUNIOR AD'S, THERE'S NO MINIMUM LOT SIZE FOR AN SSB NINE URBAN LOT SPLIT, THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE, IS IT 4,500 SQUARE FEET, SERGIO? UH, IT'D BE A MINIMUM OF 1200 SQUARE FEET PER LOT. 
          PER LOT. 
          OKAY. 
          I WAS WAY OFF 1200 SQUARE FEET PER LOT. 
          SO 2,400 SQUARE FEET, UH, TO START AN URBAN LOT SPLIT. 
          UM, BUT SO TO RETURN TO THAT EXAMPLE, SO IF YOU STARTED WITH ONE LOT, AND IT COULD BE VACANT OR IT COULD HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON IT, YOU COULD BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY HOME OR YOU COULD BUILD TWO SB NINE PRINCIPLE UNITS AND THEN YOU COULD BUILD AN A DU OR TWO A DUS, UM, OR AN A DU AND A JUNIOR, A DU. 
          BUT THERE'S A LOT OF, LIKE I SAID, A DIFFERENT, A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO SLICE IT, A LOT OF DIFFERENT COMBINATIONS THAT ARE POSSIBLE. 
          UM, BUT NO MATTER WHAT, YOU'LL NEVER COME OUT WITH MORE THAN A TOTAL OF FOUR UNITS. 
          AND IF SOMEONE WERE TO ELECT TO DO AN URBAN LOT SPLIT, THEY WOULD ONLY BE ABLE TO HAVE TWO UNITS PER LOT, AGAIN, FOR THAT TOTAL OF FOUR. 
          UM, SO THAT'S SORT OF THE, THE MAGIC NUMBER IS FOUR. 
          YOU CAN NEVER HAVE MORE THAN FOUR. 
          UM, SO LET ME, I THINK I'VE KIND OF COVERED A LOT OF THIS, BUT WE'LL RUN THROUGH SORT OF THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN ADUS AND SB NINE UNITS. 
          SO AN A DU IS AN ACCESSORY UNIT, UH, WHEREAS AN SB NINE UNIT IS A PRINCIPAL UNIT, UM, ADUS ARE PERMITTED IN ALL RESIDENTIAL ZONES AND MIXED USE ZONES AND PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS AND SPECIFIC PLANS THAT ALLOW RESIDENTIAL USES, WHEREAS SB NINE UNITS UNDER STATE LAW ARE ONLY ALLOWED IN THE R ONE DISTRICTS. 
          UM, AND THERE HAS TO BE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON THE SITE, OR THE SITE BASICALLY HAS TO BE VACANT. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE A DUPLEX ON THE SITE ALREADY, YOU'RE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR SSB NINE. 
          UM, OWNER OCCUPANCY IS ONLY REQUIRED FOR JUNIOR ADUS. 
          UH, AS I COVERED EARLIER, THERE'S A NEW STATE LAW THAT PROHIBITS ANY OWNER OCCUPANCY REQUIREMENT FOR A FULL A DU, ALTHOUGH WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT ANYWAY. 
          UM, FOR SSB NINE UNITS, THE OWNER MUST LIVE ON THE PROPERTY WHERE AN SB NINE UNIT IS BUILT FOR THREE YEARS. 
          SO IT'S NOT IN PERPETUITY LIKE IT IS FOR A JUNIOR A DU, BUT IT IS FOR THREE YEARS. 
          UM, SO FOR CONVEYANCE, IF YOU WANTED TO SELL ONE OF THESE UNITS SEPARATELY, CURRENTLY 
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AN A DU CANNOT BE SOLD SEPARATELY, UH, UNLESS THE CITY DOES OPT INTO AB 10 33, WHICH I BRIEFLY TOUCHED ON. 
          UM, FOR SB NINE UNITS, IF SOMEBODY WERE TO DO AN URBAN LOT SPLIT, WHICH IS NOT A FOREGONE CONCLUSION, THERE'S A LOT TO GO THROUGH TO GET TO THAT POINT, BUT IF YOU WERE TO DO AN URBAN LOT SPLIT, YOU COULD POTENTIALLY SELL ONE OR BOTH OF THOSE LOTS OFF SEPARATELY WITH, AS I MENTIONED, UP TO TWO UNITS ON EACH. 
          AND, AND WOULD THAT, EXCUSE ME, THAT PARCEL MAP SUBDIVISION PROCESS, WOULD THAT BE AN EXPEDITED PROCESS OR WOULD IT BE OUR EXISTING? YES. 
          SO, UM, AND I THINK SERGIO CAN TALK ABOUT THIS A LITTLE MORE, BUT WE DID RECENTLY CHANGE THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE TO MAKE ALL TENTATIVE PARCEL MAPS MORE EXPEDITED, NOT JUST FOR SB NINE, BUT SPECIFICALLY FOR URBAN LOT SPLITS UNDER SB NINE STATE LAW REQUIRES THAT THOSE BE NO HEARING APPROVALS. 
          UH, SO THAT WOULD BE BASICALLY AN APPLICATION TO US, AN APPLICATION TO PUBLIC WORKS, AND GOING THROUGH BASICALLY THE EQUIVALENT OF PLAN CHECK ON THAT SUBDIVISION AND RECORDING THAT WITH THE COUNTY, AND THEN WE COULD PROCEED WITH THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? I GUESS, AND, AND TO ADD TO THAT, UH, FOR THE URBAN LOT SPLIT, IT'S DONE NECESSARILY, SO IT DOESN'T REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          UM, AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, UH, THERE, THERE ARE OTHER CRITERIA WE'LL FURTHER DISCUSS IN THE, UM, LAW PROVISIONS. 
          BUT JUST AS SCOTT MENTIONED, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS DONE, UM, YOU KNOW, FAIRLY QUICKLY AND THERE'S A RECENT LAW STATE LAW THAT PASSED THAT WE HAVE TO PROCESS THESE WITHIN 60 DAYS AS WELL. 
          I WAS JUST THINKING FOR THE APPLICANTS TOO, I, THIS SOUNDS LIKE IT WOULD BE A MUCH LESS EXPENSIVE PROCESS THAN WHAT OUR, OUR PREVIOUS PARCEL MAP APPLICATION FEE WOULD'VE BEEN. 
          YEAH, I BELIEVE THE FEES WILL BE SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED BECAUSE THERE'S NO PUBLIC HEARING INVOLVED, SO THERE'S NO STAFF REPORT THAT HAS TO BE WRITTEN AND, AND EVERYTHING THAT GOES INTO GETTING IT IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          UM, EXCUSE ME. 
          CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN A UD AND A JUNIOR A UD? SURE. 
          SO THE JUNIOR IS BASICALLY LIMITED TO 500 SQUARE FEET AND IT HAS TO BE ATTACHED TO THE PRINCIPAL, SINGLE FAMILY HOME. 
          UM, AND SOMETIMES IT CAN BE CONVERTED FROM AN ATTACHED GARAGE, UH, BUT IT'S NOT VERY FLEXIBLE. 
          IT WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED BY THE STATE TO BE CARVED OUT OF THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOME, BUT THEY'VE EXPANDED THAT DEFINITION SOMEWHAT. 
          SO THE FULL A DU, IT CAN BE ALMOST ANYTHING. 
          IT CAN BE DETACHED, IT CAN BE BUILT ON TOP OF THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME. 
          IT CAN BE A CONVERTED GARAGE. 
          IT CAN BE, THERE'S, THERE'S ALMOST LIMITLESS COMBINATIONS. 
          SO THE FULL A DU IS THE ONE THAT YOU CAN DO ALMOST ANYTHING WITH. 
          AND THAT ALSO DOES NOT HAVE THE 500 SQUARE FOOT RESTRICTION. 
          IT CAN BE AT LEAST 800 SQUARE FEET AND POSSIBLY MORE. 
          IS THERE A MINIMUM ON THE A DU? THERE'S A MINIMUM SIZE ON BOTH OF 150 SQUARE FEET DEFINED IN THE HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE, WHICH IS A CALLED AN EFFICIENCY UNIT. 
          IT'S DEFINED IN THE HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE AS A MINIMUM SIZE A DWELLING UNIT HAS TO BE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO, UM, LET ME BRIEFLY COVER SORT OF THE RESTRICTIONS THAT APPLY TO SSB NINE UNITS AND LEMME SEE. 
          YEAH, HERE'S THE MAP ON THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO SB NINE UNITS ARE MORE RESTRICTED AND A DU JUNIOR, A DU IS ALMOST A GIVEN ON A RESIDENTIAL ZONED PROPERTY, BUT SSB NINE UNITS OR NOT. 
          UM, SSB NINE, THE AUTHORS OF SB NINE WANTED TO ENSURE THAT THEY PROTECTED TENANTS FROM DISPLACEMENT. 
          UH, SO SSB NINE UNITS CANNOT DEMOLISH OR ALTER MORE THAN 25% OF A UNIT THAT'S AN AFFORDABLE UNIT THAT'S COVENANT COVENANTED TO BE AFFORDABLE OR A RENT CONTROLLED UNIT, ALTHOUGH I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY RENT CONTROLLED UNITS IN LONG BEACH. 
          UM, IT ALSO CANNOT DEMOLISH OR ALTER, UH, HOUSING THAT HAS BEEN OCCUPIED BY A TENANT IN THE LAST THREE YEARS. 
          I'M SORRY, THIS SLIDE SAYS HOUSING THAT HAS BEEN OCCUPIED IN THE LAST THREE YEARS, THAT DOESN'T APPLY TO OWNER OCCUPANCY, BUT TO TENANT OCCUPANCY. 
          UM, SO THOSE ARE THE SORT OF THE HOUSING RESTRICTIONS. 
          THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF, UH, LOCATIONAL RESTRICTIONS FOR SB NINE UNITS. 
          THEY CANNOT BE IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS OR IN A DESIGNATED HISTORIC LANDMARK. 
          UH, THEY CANNOT BE IN THE ALQUIST PRIOLO EARTHQUAKE FAULT ZONE. 
          UH, THEY CANNOT BE IN A FLOOD ZONE. 
          UH, THEY CANNOT BE IN CERTAIN OTHER FEDERALLY DESIGNATED LIKE A CONSERVATION LAND AREA AND EASEMENTS, UH, PROTECTED SPECIES HABITAT AREAS OR REGULATORY FLOODWAYS. 
          UM, A LOT OF THOSE THINGS DON'T APPLY SO MUCH TO LONG BEACH AND LOS ANGELES, WHERE THE RIVERS ARE ALL IN CONCRETE. 
          BUT IN THE SACRAMENTO AND THE, THE DELTA AREA, THIS IS, WOULD BE MORE RESTRICTIVE UP THERE. 
          UM, SO HERE'S THE MAP. 
          I I WANTED TO SHOW THAT I ALLUDED TO. 
          THIS IS WHERE SSB NINE UNITS, UH, CURRENTLY, UH, WOULD BE BUILDABLE. 
          UH, SO THIS IS BASICALLY A MAP SHOWING ALL OF THE CITIES R ONE ZONING. 
          UM, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED FROM THE AREA WHERE ADUS ARE POSSIBLE. 
          UM, AND I THINK THIS MAP WAS FURTHER REFINED TO COMPLY WITH THE LOCATIONAL RESTRICTIONS I MENTIONED. 
          SO NO HISTORIC DISTRICTS, NO FLOOD ZONES, UM, NO, UH, EARTHQUAKE, UH, FAULT ZONES. 
          UH, SO HERE'S SOME OF THE ILLUSTRATIONS WE HAVE. 
          UM, THIS IS SORT OF YOUR TYPICAL R ONE IN LOT. 
          UM, THIS IS A MID-BLOCK R ONE IN LOT, SO IT'S NOT A CORNER LOT. 
          UM, SO IT'S SHOWING, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT YOUR SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN THE FRONT AND YOU'VE GOT AN ACCESSORY BUILDING IN THE BACK. 
          UM, THIS IS, UH, APPROXIMATELY 18% OF ALL OF 
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OUR R ONE LOTS HAVE REAR ALLEY ACCESS, WHICH MAKES IT MUCH MORE BUILDABLE IN TERMS OF SSB NINE AND URBAN LOT SPLIT UH TERMS. UM, APPROXIMATELY 80% OF OUR R ONE LOTS ARE A, A MID-BLOCK LOT LIKE THIS. 
          UH, SO IF A APPLICANT WERE TO DO A TWO UNIT DEVELOPMENT, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE. 
          UM, THERE'S A MINIMUM, UH, 800 SQUARE FEET THAT WE HAVE TO ALLOW. 
          UH, FOR AN A DU IT WOULD BE A MAXIMUM 25 FEET OR TWO STORIES, WHICH IS THE TYPICAL ZONING HEIGHT LIMIT. 
          UH, IT'S GOT A FOUR FOOT SIDE AND REAR SETBACK. 
          UM, AND THEN YOU SEE THE, THE, UH, SINGLE FAMILY HOME, UH, STAYS IN THE FRONT. 
          SO THIS IS ONE EXAMPLE. 
          YOU COULD ALSO ATTACH IT TO THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND MAKE A DUPLEX. 
          SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT POSSIBILITIES. 
          DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT, SERGIO? OH. 
          SAW YOU REACHING FOR YOUR MICROPHONE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND THEN I BELIEVE AT THIS POINT, SO I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND HAND IT OVER TO SERGIO, WHO'S OUR SUBDIVISION EXPERT, AND HE'S GONNA TALK ABOUT URBAN LOT SPLITS A LITTLE MORE AND THE REST OF THE PROCESS. 
          THANK YOU, SCOTT. 
          UM, AS MY COLLEAGUE, I BRIEFLY, UH, PROVIDED AN INTRODUCTION OF SB NINE. 
          IT ALSO ALLOWS A SUBDIVISION OF THE LOTS, UH, IN THE FORM OF WHAT'S CALLED AN URBAN LOT SPLIT. 
          SO AN URBAN A LOT SPLIT IS DEFINED AS A SUBDIVISION OF AN EXISTING, UH, LEGAL LOT ZONE R ONE SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT TO CREATE, UH, NO MORE THAN TWO NEW PARCELS. 
          UH, WITH AN URBAN LOSS SPLIT INCLUDED, UH, THE SB NINE UNIT CAN BE DEVELOPED THROUGH THE CONVERSION OF, OR IN ADDITION TO A DETACHED GARAGE OR THROUGH NEW CONSTRUCTION, UH, WITH ADOPTION OF THE URBAN LOTS PLATE ORDINANCE BY CITY COUNCIL ON DECEMBER 19TH, UH, 2023, UH, WHICH WAS INCLUDED WITH THE OVERALL CITY SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS. 
          UH, THE LOTS PLATE WILL REQUIRE COMPLIANCE WITH, UH, THE LOT WIDTH STANDARDS AND WILL REQUIRE ACCESS FROM A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY IN THE FORM OF A PUBLIC STREET OR ALLEY. 
          UH, THERE'S CERTAIN AREAS THAT THE CITY CAN CONTROL TO HELP FACILITATE AND ENSURE HIGH QUALITY, UH, PROJECT AND DEVELOPMENTS. 
          UH, THESE AREAS INCLUDE, UH, LOCATION SUCH AS, UM, POTENTIALLY ALLOWING SB NINE UNITS IN R TWO ZONES, UH, DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS TO LARGELY INCREASE IN BUILDING HEIGHT LIMITS AND THEN ALLOWING FLEXIBILITY AND LOT COVERAGE FLOOR AREA RATIO AND DESIGN STANDARDS, UH, DESIGN STANDARDS, UH, WHICH WILL, WHICH CAN BE EFFECTIVE IN ENSURING HIGH QUALITY PROJECTS, UH, WILL BE DEVELOPED AS A PART OF THE SB NINE ORDINANCE. 
          UH, THE SLIDE PROVIDES A MAP OF WHERE SP NINE CURRENTLY APPLIES IN OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY WHERE SSB NINE CAN APPLY, SUCH AS HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND R TWO ZONES. 
          TO HELP UNDERSTAND HOW MANY UNITS CAN BE BUILT ON THE SITE, UH, THE SITE PROVIDES, UH, TWO DIFFERENT, UH, DEVELOPMENT SCENARIOS. 
          UH, SCENARIO ONE PROVIDES A DIAGRAM OF HOW PROPERTY CAN BE DEVELOPED, WHICH INCLUDES, UH, ONE PRINCIPLE STRUCTURE AND ONE DETACHED SB NINE UNIT. 
          A MAXIMUM OF FOUR UNITS, UH, CAN BE DEVELOPED ON THE LOT AS MY COLLEAGUE MENTIONED, WHICH CAN INCLUDE, UM, ONE PRINCIPLE UNIT ONE SSB NINE, UNIT ONE A DU, AND ONE JADU. 
          UH, SCENARIO TWO PROVIDES A DIAGRAM OF HOW PROPERTY CAN BE, UH, DEVELOPED WITH AND SUBDIVIDED THROUGH SB NINE. 
          UH, AND ALSO THE SUB, UH, CITY'S, UH, URBAN LAW SPLIT ORDINANCE, UH, WITH AN URBAN LAW SPLIT ORDINANCE. 
          UH, LOT CAN BE SUBDIVIDED SUBJECT TO MEETING THE STANDARDS, UH, TO CREATE, UH, A TOTAL OF TWO, LOTS TO INCLUDE ONE PRINCIPLE UNITS AND ONE ACCESSORY UNIT ON ONE LOT AND ONE SB NINE UNIT AND ONE ACCESSORY, UM, UNIT ON ONE LOT. 
          AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A EXAMPLE OF, UH, MANY POSSIBILITIES WHEN IT COMES TO THE, UM, URBAN LOSS ONE. 
          WOULD YOU RATHER, I KNOW POOR SCOTT GOT ALL OF OUR QUESTIONS MIDSTREAM. 
          WOULD YOU RATHER WE WAIT TILL THE END OF YOUR PRESENTATION OR CAN WE ASK YOU QUESTIONS WHEN THE, UH, AS THE SLIDES ARE GOING BY? UH, IF, YEAH, IF, IF THE, THE, THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE QUESTIONS AT THE END, THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, SO THE NEXT SLIDE PROVIDES AN OVERVIEW OF THE VARIOUS, UH, TASK INVOLVED IN THIS EFFORT, UH, WE'RE CURRENTLY IN THE STAKEHOLDER AND PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT STAGE, UH, WHICH INCLUDES THE STUDY SESSION BEFORE YOU WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          UH, WE'LL NEXT PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE, UH, COMMUNITY OPEN HOUSE, UH, FOCUS GROUP AND ONLINE FEEDBACK. 
          UH, SO THIS SLIDE PROVIDES THE SUMMARY OF KEY TOPICS, UH, WITH, UH, WITHIN THEIR INTERNAL FOCUS GROUPS, UH, WHICH INCLUDES IMPROVEMENTS TO THE DU AND SB NINE PROCESS AND POTENTIAL INCENTIVES. 
          UH, A FEW TOPICS DISCUSSED TO ENSURE THE, THE SUCCESS OF ADUS AND SB NINE UNITS INCLUDE, UH, PLANNING FOR UTILITIES EARLY IN THE PROCESS, UH, PRIORITIZING A-D-U-A-D-A COMPLIANCE, UH, EXPANDING SB NINE TO R TWO ZONES, UH, INCLUDING ATTRACTIVE LANDSCAPE STANDARDS AND QUALITY OF LIFE IMPROVEMENTS AND SOME POTENTIAL INCENTIVES. 
          UH, ALSO INCLUDE, UH, OFFERING FLEXIBILITY ON PARKING AND VEHICLE ACCESS, DRIVEWAY STANDARDS, DESIGN GUIDELINES, AND HEIGHT, UH, INCENTIVIZING OFF STREET PARKING, UH, MAKING IT EASIER TO BRING ILLEGAL ADUS INTO CODE COMPLIANCE AND INCENTIVIZING DEED RESTRICTED AFFORDABLE UNITS. 
          UH, THIS NEXT SLIDE PROVIDES A SUMMARY OF KEY TOPICS, UH, DISCUSSED WITH THE EXTERNAL FOR, UM, FOCUS GROUPS. 
          UH, A FEW IMPROVEMENT TOPICS DISCUSSED RELATED TO ADUS AND SSB. 
          NINE UNITS INCLUDED PROVIDING CLEAR AND EASY, CLEAR AND EASY TO USE ILLUSTRATIONS. 
          UH, EMPHASIZE, UH, PROJECT BENEFITS. 
          CLARIFY THE RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN ADUS AND SB NINE UNITS AND PROVIDE, UH, COMMUNITY RESOURCES ON LEGALIZING UN PERMITTED UNITS. 
          UH, SOME POTENTIAL INCENTIVES INCLUDE, UH, OFFERING FLEXIBILITY ON PARKING AND ENCLOSURE STANDARDS, ARCHITECTURAL STYLE, HEIGHT 
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AND PRIVACY STANDARDS, AND INCENTIVIZING OFF STREET PARKING, OPEN SPACE, AND ENHANCING LOT FRONTAGE, UH, TO HELP ENGAGE THE TOPICS OF ADUS AND ESP NINE UNITS, UH, COMMUNITY OPEN HOUSE WITH CITY STAFF AND THE CONSULTANTS WAS HELD AT THE LONG BEACH UTILITIES BUILDING ON JULY 19TH, UH, 2023. 
          APPROXIMATELY 85 MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ATTENDED THIS EVENT, UH, THE VARIOUS STATIONS, UH, INCLUDING INFORMATION ON BOARDS WITH DIAGRAMS TO HELP RECEIVE THE COMMUNITY'S FEEDBACK. 
          UH, THESE STATIONS INCLUDED A WELCOME TABLE, A STATION, PROVIDING INFORMATION ON THE PROJECT OVERVIEW, UH, STATION DEDICATED TO ADUS, A STATION DEDICATED SB NINE AND A STATION RELATED TO DESIGN IDEAS, CONCERNS, AND PRIORITIES. 
          UH, BASED ON THE COMMUNITY'S FEEDBACK, UH, REGARDING, UH, PREFERRED A DU CONFIGURATIONS, UH, THE MOST, UH, COMMON CONFIGURATIONS FOR SINGLE FAMILY INCLUDED, UH, NEW ONE STORE DETACHED A DS, UH, NEW TWO-STORY DETACHED ADUS AND CONVERSIONS OF DETACHED GARAGES. 
          UH, SO THE MOST COMMON CONFIGURATION FROM MULTI-FAMILY PROPERTIES INCLUDED, UH, DETACHED ADU STRUCTURES. 
          UH, THE DIAGRAM SHOWN IN THIS SLIDE AND THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES, UH, SHOWS A PHOTO IMAGERY OF THE BOARDS THAT WERE POSTED AT THE VARIOUS STATIONS, UH, WHICH ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO PARTICIPATE AND PROVIDE THEIR INPUT ON PREFERENCE SENSOR IN RELATION TO ADUS AND SSB NINE DEVELOPMENT. 
          UH, SO THIS NEXT SLIDE PROVIDES AN OVERVIEW OF THE PARTICIPANT'S PREFERRED CONFIGURATIONS FOR SB NINE UNITS, UH, WHICH INCLUDES, UH, NEW CONSTRUCTION OF ONE TO TWO STORY AND, UH, ONE TO TWO STORE UNITS, UH, CONVERSIONS OF EXISTING DETACHED GARAGE AND NEW UNITS ABOVE EXISTING DETACHED GARAGES AND THE DEMOLITION OF A DETACHED GARAGE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW UNIT. 
          UH, WITH RESPONSE TO THE PREFERRED HOME AMENITIES, UH, PARTICIPANTS INDICATED THE IMPORTANCE OF INCLUDING, UH, PARKING SPACES, LANDSCAPING AND OPEN SPACE, AND IN-UNIT WASHER AND DRYERS, OTHER COMMUNITY FEEDBACK RECEIVED IN TERMS OF DESIGN. 
          A FEW OF THE BUILDING DESIGN PRIORITIES, UH, RECEIVED INCLUDED IMPORTANCE ON QUALITY DESIGN MATERIALS, UH, ARCHITECTURAL STYLE TO MATCH THE EXISTING STRUCTURE ON SITE AND HEIGHT COMPATIBILITY WITH NEIGHBORING STRUCTURES WITH WITHIN THE FEEDBACK RECEIVED IN TERMS OF SITE DESIGN. 
          UH, A FEW OF THE SITE DESIGN PRIORITIES RECEIVED, UH, INCLUDING, UH, PRESERVING OPEN SPACE BETWEEN HOMES ON A LOT AND MEAN BETWEEN, UH, NEIGHBORING LOTS AND, UH, SUPPORT OF, UH, HAVING ENTRANCES OF THE NEW HOMES FACING AN ALLEY. 
          UH, SO THIS SLIDE PROVIDES, UH, RESULTS OF THE ONLINE SURVEY CONDUCTED BETWEEN JULY 14TH AND SEPTEMBER 20TH, 2023. 
          A TOTAL OF 94 RESPONDENTS PARTICIPATED IN A SERIES OF 21 QUESTIONS RELATED TO ADU AND SB NINE, UH, WHICH INCLUDED 95% OF THE RESPONDERS BEING THE LONG BEACH RESIDENTS, 43% BEING PROPERTY OWNERS, AND 5% IN THE DEVELOPMENT BUILDER DESIGNERS CATEGORY. 
          UH, BASED ON THE ONLINE SURVEY, UM, A FEW OF THE COMMON RESPONSES TO INTEREST IN DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING INDICATION THAT RESIDENTS, UH, ARE MORE FAMILIAR WITH ADUS AND JDU IN COMPARISON TO SSB NINE, WITH A TOTAL OF 46% OF RESPONSES EXPRESSED INTEREST IN BUILDING AN A DU. 
          UH, AS FOR SB NINE, UH, ONLY 12% OF RESPONSES EXPRESSED INTEREST IN DEVELOPING AN SB NINE UNIT DUE TO THE BARRIERS RELATED TO COSTS, COMPLICATED PROCESSES AND AVAILABLE SPACE IN TERMS OF RESPONSES RELATED TO RESOURCES, AMENITIES, UH, COMMON RESPONSES INCLUDING, UH, PARKING SPACE TO BE THE MOST, UH, DESIRED, A DU AMENITY, UH, PRE-APPROVED PLANS AS A TOP CHOSEN SUPPORT FOR A DU CONSTRUCTION AND SUPPORT IN TERMS OF CONTEXT SENSITIVE REQUIREMENTS TO INCLUDE, UH, MATCHING THE STYLE WITH A PRINCIPLE STRUCTURE, UH, USING, UH, QUALITY BUILDING MATERIALS AND ENSURING WINDOW PLACEMENT PROVIDES PRIVACY. 
          UH, THIS NEXT SLIDE, UH, UH, PROVIDES UPDATES, UM, OF WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE NEXT STEPS OF THIS, UH, PROCESS, UH, WHICH WILL, UM, PROCEED WITH THE PREPARATION OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE DRAFT, UH, FOR PUBLIC REVIEW, UH, HOSTING A PUBLIC EVENT TO RECEIVE, UH, FEEDBACK ON THE DRAFT AND EITHER CONDUCTING A SECOND STUDY SESSION WITH THE COMMISSION IF NECESSARY, OR BRINGING THIS ORDINANCE, UH, FORWARD FOR ADOPTION. 
          UH, TO END THE, TO END THE PRESENTATION AND TO OPEN UP THE DISCUSSION FOR THE, UH, STUDY SESSION, UH, STAFF HAS A SERIES OF QUESTIONS FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO CONSIDER. 
          UH, THESE QUESTIONS INCLUDE, UH, HOW CAN WE BEST FACILITATE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT THROUGH ADU AND SB NINE UNITS, WHILE ALSO INCENTIVIZING COMMUNITY PRIORITIES AND NEEDS. 
          UH, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR CLARIFICATION NEEDED FOR ADUS, JDU AND SB NINE DEVELOPMENTS? UH, WHAT ARE THE CITY'S DESIGN PRIORITIES FOR DETACHED SECOND UNITS ATTACHED SECOND UNITS AND SECOND UNITS FACING ALLEYS IN THE REAR YARDS ON CORNER AND MID-BLOCK? UH, SHOULD THE CITY EXPAND, UH, SB NINE ELIGIBILITY BEYOND R ONE ZONES TO INCLUDE HISTORICAL AREAS, COASTAL AND R TWO ZONES? AND LASTLY, UH, SHOULD, UH, ANY ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS APPLY TO SECOND UNITS IN HISTORIC AND COASTAL AREAS IF THESE AREAS ARE TO BE CONSIDERED? UH, THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION. 
          STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THANK YOU SCOTT AND SERGIO FOR THIS PRESENT, THAT PRESENTATION AND ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'VE PUT INTO THIS TO DATE COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS AT 
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THIS POINT. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER TEMPLAN, I'D LIKE TO START WITH HOW, HOW LARGE IS THE PARK REQUIRED TO HAVE AS A PARKING SPACE WHERE THAT'S ONE OF THE, UM, THINGS THAT THEY SEEM TO, YOU KNOW, HIGHLY DESIRED? YES. 
          SO IF A PARKING SPACE IS REQUIRED OR PROVIDED, IT DOES NEED TO COMPLY WITH THE STANDARDS IN THE ZONING CODE FOR EITHER A STANDARD COMPACT, OR, I'M SORRY, STANDARD SPACE OR A COMPACT SPACE. 
          A STANDARD SPACE IS 18 FEET DEEP BY EIGHT AND A HALF WIDE. 
          A COMPACT SPACE IS 15 DEEP BY EIGHT FEET WIDE. 
          SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE ONE OR THE OTHER. 
          AND THEN ALMOST NO CASE IS PARKING REQUIRED FOR AN A DU, I THINK IT'S LIKE 90, RIGHT? LIKE 95% CORRECT. 
          HARD GEOGRAPHY THAT WHERE, UH, WHERE IN TRANSIT, UM, WE'RE CONSIDERED UNDER STATE LAW TO BE CLOSE ENOUGH TO TRANSIT FOR A DU PURPOSES, THAT, UM, A PARKING SPOT WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED. 
          IT'S, UM, OFTEN STILL PROVIDED IN SOME FORM OR ANOTHER TO DUE TO THE, YOU KNOW, NEED ON SITE, BUT, UH, NOT NECESSARILY A REQUIREMENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THE, UH, THE FEEDBACK CAME BACK TALKING ABOUT INCENTIVES FOR THINGS LIKE PARKING, THINGS LIKE OPEN SPACE. 
          HOW WOULD THOSE INCENTIVES WORK? WHAT, WHAT KINDS OF THINGS CAN YOU, CAN, CAN THE BUILDER OFFER AS IN EXCHANGE? SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF DEVELOPING RIGHT NOW WITH OUR CONSULTANT. 
          AND WE'RE BOTH RESEARCHING WHAT OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE AND COMING UP WITH OUR IDEAS ON OUR OWN. 
          SOME OF THE POSSIBILITIES COULD BE, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE WANT TO INCENTIVIZE A PARKING SPACE, WE COULD SAY, IF YOU WANT TO, UM, HAVE A A DU THAT'S LARGER THAN WOULD BE ALLOWED UNDER STATE LAW, UM, THEN YOU CAN PROVIDE ONE CONFORMING PARKING SPACE. 
          IF YOU WANNA HAVE AN A DU THAT'S REALLY BIG ON A COMPARED TO WHAT'S ALLOWED UNDER STATE LAW, THEN YOU WOULD PROVIDE TWO CONFORMING PARKING SPACES OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. 
          WE HAVEN'T FULLY DEVELOPED HOW THAT INCENTIVE MENU WOULD WORK, UH, BUT THAT'S KIND OF THE CONCEPT BEHIND IT. 
          AND I MEAN, WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL THE OPTIONS. 
          SO IT MAY NOT BE OPTIONS THAT YOU TRADITIONALLY THINK OF WITH ZONING. 
          SO WE HAVE TO PROCESS THESE ADUS WITHIN 60 DAYS. 
          I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HOUSE, IF YOU USE OUR ORDINANCE AND YOU FOLLOW CERTAIN DESIGN STANDARDS AND YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU MEET A, B, C, AND D, CAN YOU GET IN AN OVER THE COUNTER APPROVAL IN ONE DAY AT THE, AT THE COUNTER? AND IF YOU DON'T WANNA FOLLOW THE DESIGN GUIDELINES, THAT'S KIND OF YOUR RIGHT UNDER STATE LAW, BUT YOU'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THE NORMAL PROCESS AND IT'LL TAKE YOU 60 DAYS AND WE'LL PLAN CHECK IT LIKE ANY OTHER PROJECT. 
          SO THERE ARE SOME TOOLS THAT WE HAVE THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY ZONING TOOLS AND MAYBE AREN'T, UH, THE DAY-TO-DAY, YOU KNOW, WORK THAT THIS COMMISSION DOES, BUT ARE STILL KIND OF IN THE MIX. 
          AND, AND WE DEFINITELY WANNA HEAR, UM, YOUR THOUGHTS AS WELL. 
          UM, EXCUSE ME. 
          ALL THESE DWELLING UNITS, THEY STILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH A DA, WELL, THEY DO HAVE TO COMPLY WITH A DA, BUT A DA IS NOT ALWAYS APPLICABLE TO A SINGLE UNIT. 
          SO WE DIDN'T TALK A LOT TONIGHT ABOUT MULTIFAMILY, A ADUS, BUT AN A DU THAT'S ADDED TO A BUILDING THAT ALREADY HAS FIVE OR MORE UNITS IS GONNA HAVE A DIFFERENT A DA CALCULATION THAN A BACKYARD. 
          A DU, UH, DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME A D RE A A DA REQUIREMENTS , UM, I'M GONNA TOTALLY DO THE TONGUE TYPE THING. 
          TOO MANY. 
          BUT, UM, SO IT, IT REALLY HAS TO DO WITH WHETHER THE STRUCTURE IS MULTI-FAMILY OR SINGLE FAMILY BEFORE THE PROJECT, NOT AS A RESULT OF THE PROJECT. 
          UM, SO, SO IT GETS, IT GETS PRETTY COMPLICATED, BUT WE'RE NOT PROPOSING, AT LEAST AT THIS TIME, TO SORT OF CHANGE THAT, THAT RELATIONSHIP BECAUSE THAT'S DEFINED IN THIS STATE, UH, BUILDING CODE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, WITH THAT, WHY DON'T WE OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          ANY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION THAT WISH TO, UH, ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, IF YOU COULD COME FORWARD, UH, INTRODUCE YOURSELF AT THE PODIUM AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. 
          YES, MY NAME IS SPENCER BROOKS. 
          I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. 
          UM, IF YOU'RE CONVERTING A GARAGE INTO AN A DU, DOES THAT, DOES IT STILL HAVE TO BE 800 SQUARE FEET? SO I'M GONNA ASK YOU JUST TO MAKE YOUR COMMENTS AND WE'LL TAKE DOWN ANY QUESTIONS THAT MIGHT BE IN THERE, AND THEN WE'LL ASK STAFF THOSE QUESTIONS. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          THAT WORKS. 
          YEAH. 
          ALL ALL MY COMMENTS ARE QUESTIONS. 
          SO THAT'S ONE OF , THAT'S ONE OF THEM. 
          , IF YOU ALREADY HAVE AN EXISTING GARAGE, IT'S PROBABLY LIKE 600 SQUARE FEET. 
          WOULD YOU, DOES IT HAVE TO BE 800 SQUARE FEET IF YOU DO IT? THE OTHER QUESTION IS, IF YOU'RE ALREADY A HOMEOWNER AND YOU WERE TO BUILD THE A DU, DO YOU STILL HAVE TO, CAN YOU TURN THEM IMMEDIATELY INTO RENTAL UNITS OR DO YOU HAVE TO STAY THERE THREE YEARS? THE, THE SLIDESHOW WAS A LITTLE CONFUSING. 
          IT SOUNDED LIKE IF YOU WERE DOING A NEW DEVELOPMENT, YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE THERE THREE YEARS, BUT NOT IF YOU'RE AN EXISTING HOMEOWNER THAT 
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DID IT. 
          SO I'M JUST A LITTLE GRAY AREA FOR ME BOTH OF THOSE QUESTIONS. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S IT. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. 
          A LOT OF INFORMATION, ESPECIALLY BETWEEN THE A DU UNITS AND THE SSB NINE UNITS. 
          ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC? HI, GOOD EVENING. 
          MY NAME IS OSCAR. 
          I'M ALSO A STUDENT HERE AT THE, AT LONG BEACH CITY. 
          UH, THERE'S A COUPLE OF STUDENTS AND I THAT ARE LOOKING TO BUILD ADUS IN THEIR HOUSES AND WE, UM, WE WERE LOOKING TO SEE IF THERE WAS LIKE COLLABORATION BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE SCHOOL. 
          UM, RIGHT NOW WE'RE PRESSURING THE SCHOOL TO PROVIDE TO OPEN CLASSES FOR, UH, PEOPLE THAT ARE FULL-TIME THAT CAN'T ATTEND THE REGULAR CLASSES DURING THE DAY. 
          SO THEY ALREADY ADDED, I THINK, TWO IN THE EVENINGS FOR TUESDAYS AND THURSDAYS. 
          UM, AND WE ALSO WERE FROM MY FIRST SEMESTER HERE AT LONG BEACH CITY, UM, I LEARNED THAT THERE'S STUDENTS THAT WANT TO BUILD ADUS. 
          THERE'S STUDENTS THAT NEED TO BUILD ADUS AND THERE'S STUDENTS THAT, UM, THEY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT THERE WAS A PROGRAM LIKE THAT. 
          UH, SSB NINE A DU PROGRAM. 
          SO NOW, UH, I ATTENDED THE FIRST, UH, I THINK OPEN HOUSE THAT YOU GUYS DID IN, UH, JA, UH, JULY. 
          NOW, FROM THE TIME WHEN THE SSB NINE KICKED IN TO THE TIME THAT YOU GUYS DID THE, UH, OPEN HOUSE, HOW MUCH TIME, WHAT WAS THE TIMEFRAME AND HOW MANY PEOPLE ATTENDED? AND THEN FROM WHEN YOU GUYS DID THE JULY TO THE MOST RECENT ONE THAT I THINK GOT, THAT GOT CANCELED IN, UH, DECEMBER BECAUSE OF THE, YOU GUYS, 'CAUSE THE CITY GOT HACKED. 
          UM, HOW MANY PEOPLE ATTENDED ONLINE? BECAUSE I KNOW IN THE PUBLIC THERE WAS LIKE AT LEAST THREE OR FOUR PEOPLE THERE FOR ADUS AS WELL. 
          SO THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH, WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING TO INFORM THE PUBLIC THAT THIS IS GOING ON? AND ALSO IN REGARDS TO, UM, YOUR GUYS' WEBSITE, UM, WHEN I FOUND OUT THAT THE STATE OF LONG BEACH, UH, STARTED OPENING APPLICATIONS FOR ADUS, J ADUS AND ALL THAT OTHER STUFF, UM, IT WAS REALLY DIFFICULT TO NAVIGATE YOUR, YOUR WEBSITE. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S INTENTIONAL OR IF YOU GUYS TAKE SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR, TO SORT THROUGH ALL THE INFORMATION THAT'S ON THERE. 
          'CAUSE THERE'S THINGS THAT AREN'T, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, I THINK IT'S TITLE 22 THAT YOU GUYS ARE WORKING TO REWRITE. 
          SO, AND YOU GUYS ARE TAKING STUFF FROM TITLE 21 AND GONNA REVAMP IT WITH TITLE 22 TO INCLUDE THE SBI STUFF. 
          SO, UM, IN REGARDS TO INFORMATION, THE EASE OF ACCESS FOR PEOPLE THAT AREN'T AS COMPUTER LITERATE THAT WANT TO, THAT NEED TO, THAT ARE LOOKING TO, BUT THAT, THAT THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT THIS STUFF IS OUT THERE. 
          WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING TO REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITY? AND DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY LIKE SPOKESPERSONS? BECAUSE I, I KNOW I'VE, I MET WITH, UM, ELISE ONLINE, WE'VE BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH, UM, BUT I DO HAVE SUGGESTIONS FROM THAT FIRST OPEN HOUSE TO MAYBE WHENEVER YOU GUYS DO THE NEXT ONE, IF YOU GUYS ARE OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS. 
          I'M, I'M HERE TO HELP ALL THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENTS, SIR. 
          YEP. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          MY NAME STEPHANIE SOMERVILLE. 
          I OWN A PROPERTY IN NORTH LONG BEACH, WHICH IS R TWO ZONED, UH, IT'S A DUPLEX. 
          AND I, I THOUGHT I HEARD MR. KENNY SAY THAT THERE YOU WERE EXAMINING AND INCENTIVE INCENTIVES FOR PROVIDING PARKING. 
          IS THAT ACCURATE? BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST COMMISSION, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING I'VE EVER ATTENDED. 
          AND I'VE HEARD TWO PEOPLE COME UP AND SPEAK ABOUT THE LACK OF PARKING IN, IN DIFFERENT AREAS. 
          AND EVEN THOUGH I NO LONGER LIVE IN THE HOME THAT I LIVED IN FOR 35 YEARS AND PAID OFF , I RENTED OUT, UM, THE STREET IS THIS BIG. 
          NO ONE CAN PASS ONE ANOTHER. 
          AND IN ALL THE PLANS THAT I'M TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER IN MY MIND OF HOW I CAN ADD, UM, AN A DU OR REBUILD THE REAR UNIT OR WHAT HAVE YOU, DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU ROLL OUT WITH, YOU KNOW, UM, THE, THE NEW LAWS, UM, I INTEND TO PROVIDE AS MUCH PARKING AS I CAN BECAUSE THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH PARKING. 
          AND WITH THE COST OF HOUSING, UM, ADULTS NEED TO, THERE ARE A LOT OF PE FAMILY, YOU KNOW, MULTI-GENERATIONAL FAMILY LIVING SITUATIONS. 
          BUT I'M TRYING TO BUILD A UNIT WHERE ADULT WORKING COUPLES, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT BE TWO COUPLES AND TWO MASTERS OR ONE COUPLE AND A SINGLE PERSON CAN HAVE ENOUGH PARKING BECAUSE ALL THESE HOUSEHOLDS ARE GONNA HAVE MORE THAN ONE VEHICLE. 
          YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE TO LIVE WITH ONE ANOTHER. 
          SO EVEN IF YOU DON'T REQUIRE PARKING, UM, IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL IF YOU COULD INCENTIVIZE, YOU KNOW, GIVE SOME KIND OF BREAKS TO THOSE OF US WHO WANNA PROVIDE IT JUST FOR THE COMMUNITY'S SAKE. 
          THAT, THAT'S MY COMMENT. 
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GOOD COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GREAT COMMENT. 
          NEXT SPEAKER PLEASE. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          MY QUESTION IS, UM, IF YOU COULD JUST, IF YOU COULD JUST INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE. 
          I'M SORRY, MY NAME IS SUSAN DELAND. 
          I LIVE IN LONG BEACH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO YOUR SITE HAS A HANDFUL OF PRE-APPROVED PLANTS ON IT NOW, AND IT LOOKS LIKE, UM, A FEW MORE POTENTIALLY WILL BE COMING, WHICH IS GREAT. 
          UM, LOS ANGELES COUNTY HAS A VERY LONG LIST OF PRE-APPROVED PLANS. 
          ARE THOSE, ARE WE, AS WE BELONG TO THE COUNTY, WE'RE IN THE COUNTY, ARE WE ALLOWED TO USE THOSE AS WELL? AGAIN, MAKE YOUR COMMENTS AND WE'LL ASK THE QUESTIONS AFTERWARDS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          BUT YEAH. 
          AND THEN MY SECOND QUESTION ACTUALLY IS, UM, HOW WILL WE GET ANSWERS TO ALL THESE QUESTIONS, ? YES. 
          PERFECT. 
          SO WE WILL, WE WILL DO OUR BEST TO, UH, GET THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC THIS EVENING, AND THEN WE WILL FIND OUT HOW THE CITY WILL BE ROLLING OUT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THIS. 
          AGAIN, THIS IS A STUDY SESSION. 
          MM-HMM,  TRYING TO TAKE YOUR, YOUR INPUT RIGHT NOW. 
          AND THEN THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR, UH, DIALOGUE AND UPDATES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HELLO, MY NAME IS VAN BOWIE. 
          I'M HERE REPRESENTING LONG BEACH RESIDENTS EMPOWERED OR LIBRE. 
          UH, WE WORK WITH A LOT OF TENANTS IN LONG BEACH, UM, ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO ARE FACING EVICTION. 
          SO JUST WANTED TO EMPHASIZE WITH I AM TO, TO, UH, REALLY STRIVE TOWARDS IMPROVING QUALITY OF LIFE AND INCENTIVIZING COMMUNITY CENTERED SOLUTIONS. 
          I KNOW THAT THE, THAT THE DEMAND OF HOUSING RIGHT NOW IN CALIFORNIA IN GENERAL IS JUST LIKE INEXPLICABLY AWFUL. 
          AND, UM, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO BE ABLE TO WORK TOWARDS THESE PRO HOUSING GOALS AND PRIORITIES FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO STAY IN THEIR HOMES OR, UM, STAY IN AFFORDABLE UNITS. 
          UM, AND I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE PAST, UH, COMMUNITY SESSIONS OR COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND EVEN SOMEONE WHO MENTIONED IT JUST NOW IS MENTION IS TALKING ABOUT, UH, THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN TERMS OF PARKING. 
          LIKE MOST PEOPLE HAVE CARS TO GET TO THEIR JOBS OR PICK UP THEIR KIDS FROM SCHOOL AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          AND JUST TO NOT HAVE IT REQUIRED OF A UNIT IS, UM, LIKE JUST WORSENS THE PROBLEM AS IT IS, UH, HAVING OPEN SPACE AND THEN THE QUALITY OF THE UNIT ITSELF THAT THEY LIVE INTO IS ALL IMPORTANT THINGS TO PRIORITIZE. 
          AND I THINK ALL THIS INFORMATION TOO SHOULD BE MADE MORE ACCESSIBLE TO COMMUNITY MEMBERS IN LAYMAN'S TERMS. 'CAUSE EVEN FOR MYSELF AS A COMMUNITY ORGANIZER, LIKE THIS IS A LOT TO TAKE IN AND I CAN'T IMAGINE LIKE SOMEONE ELSE WHO'S LIKE A REGULAR COMMUNITY MEMBER TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THIS AND INTAKE IT AND LEARN WHAT IT MEANS FOR THEM. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO DO TOO, TO MAKE IT ACCESSIBLE TO COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND EVEN DOING MORE COMMUNITY OUTREACH, BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE PROBABLY DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT THIS IS GOING ON OR THAT THIS IS, UM, BEING TALKED ABOUT RIGHT NOW IN THEIR VERY OWN CITY. 
          AND I WANTED TO REITERATE, UH, LIBRA AS A RESOURCE AS WELL TOO. 
          WE DO A LOT OF WORK WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS, SO, UH, WE'RE AVAILABLE TO, TO, UH, HELP WITH THAT COMMUNITY OUTREACH, IF THAT'S A OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU ALL TO BE INTERESTED IN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. 
          I'M BACK. 
          MY NAME, MY NAME IS SPENCER BROOK. 
          JUST ONE FINAL QUESTION. 
          UM, I'M ACTUALLY A REAL ESTATE BROKER LOCAL HERE IN THE CITY. 
          AND MANY OF MY CLIENTS ARE ASKING, ARE THERE ANY TYPE OF, UH, GRANTS OR TAX BREAKS FOR DOING A A DU? IF NOT, THAT WOULD BE A GREAT INCENTIVE, ESPECIALLY FOR ADUS THAT REQUIRED AN OWNER TO LIVE IN THEM UP UNTIL THREE YEARS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, SIR, COME FORWARD THEN. 
          YEAH, IF YOU CAN MAKE IT QUICK. 
          TERRY, YOU ALREADY HAD YOUR THREE MINUTES, SIR. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, HOW DO, MY NAME IS OSCAR AND HOW DO WE GET A COPY OF THE, OF THE SLIDE, THE LAST PART OF THE STUDY SESSION? 'CAUSE IT WENT REALLY QUICK. 
          I BELIEVE IT'S ALL AVAILABLE ONLINE RIGHT NOW AS PART OF OUR, UH, AGENDA. 
          YOU CAN CLICK THROUGH IT IF YOU GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT RIGHT NOW AND BRING IT BACK BEHIND THE RAIL COMMISSIONERS PLEASE. 
          COMMISSIONER, I HAVE JUST ONE QUESTION ON THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH. 
          UM, DO WE WORK NINE, WE WANNA GET INTO THE WEEDS OF THINGS, UM, WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS ACROSS THE CITY SO THAT THEY CAN, UH, REACH OUT TO THOSE USUALLY THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THOSE ASSOCIATIONS OR THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, OUR PROPERTY OWNERS, AND MAYBE HAVE INTEREST IN LEARNING MORE ABOUT THIS AND REALLY GETTING THAT WORD OUT. 
          JUST CITYWIDE THE NEIGHBORHOOD RESOURCE CENTERS IS A GREAT RESOURCE THAT WE HAVE. 
          I'M VERY PROUD OF THAT AS A CITY RESIDENT . 
          AND SO I JUST WANTED TO JUST THROW THAT OUT THERE AS SOMETHING THAT IF YOU ALREADY DOING IT, I JUST WANTED TO, YEAH, SO I'M GONNA LET THE TEAM TALK ABOUT WHAT WE DID ON THIS PROJECT, BUT ON EVERY PROJECT WE USE OUR, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD RESOURCE CENTER LIST OF NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, AS WELL AS ALUMNI OF PROGRAMS LIKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERSHIP PROGRAM. 
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AND WE LET THEM KNOW ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON IN THE DEPARTMENT. 
          AND THAT DOES INCLUDE THIS PROJECT. 
          WE CAN ALWAYS DO BETTER AND CAN ALWAYS DO MORE, BUT WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD A LOT OF PARTICIPATION. 
          YOU KNOW, SOME OF IT WAS MANY MONTHS AGO, SO THAT CAN FEEL LIKE IT DIDN'T OCCUR, BUT IT, IT DID OCCUR AND IT WAS A LOT OF EFFORT AND, UH, TIME AND MONEY. 
          UM, BUT I'M GONNA LET SCOTT GO INTO WHAT WE'VE DONE SPECIFICALLY ON THIS PROJECT, BUT ON EVERY, YOU KNOW, POLICY INITIATIVE, WE DO WORK WITH, UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD RESOURCE CENTER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANKS CHRISTOPHER. 
          AND, AND LIKE CHRISTOPHER SAID, IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE NORMALLY DO, WE'VE DONE EXTRA WORK ON THIS, UH, PARTICULAR EFFORT AND I GUESS WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF TELLING THAT STORY. 
          SO NEXT TIME WE'RE BACK IN FRONT OF YOU, WE'LL, WE'LL GO INTO MORE DETAIL ON THAT. 
          UM, BUT WE DID HAVE A SLIDE AT THE BEGINNING THAT WE, WE KIND OF SPED THROUGH ABOUT THE EXTERNAL FOCUS GROUPS. 
          UM, BUT REALLY THAT WAS A VERY DEEP DIVE THAT TOOK UP, UM, SEVERAL WEEKS. 
          WE HAULED A SERIES OF EXTERNAL FOCUS GROUPS. 
          ONE WAS WITH, UH, COMMUNITY ADVOCATES. 
          SO WE HAD A WHOLE LIST OF COMMUNITY ADVOCATES WHERE WE HAD A MEETING WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT THEY WANNA SEE OUT OF ADUS AND JUNIOR ADUS AND SB NINE AND WHAT THEIR CONCERNS ARE. 
          UM, WE ALSO HAD A MEETING SPECIFICALLY WITH HOUSING ADVOCATES, UH, WHERE AGAIN, WE GOT THE, UH, PERSPECTIVE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVOCATES AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING BUILDERS ON WHAT THEY WANNA SEE COME OUTTA THIS EFFORT. 
          AND THEN LASTLY, WE HAD A, UH, IN, UH, FOCUS GROUP, UM, WITH THE, UM, BUILDERS, UH, LOCAL AD BUILDERS TO TALK ABOUT, UH, WHAT THEY WANTED TO SEE OUTTA THIS EFFORT. 
          AND THEN WE FOUND OUT A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT HOW OUR PROCESS COULD BE IMPROVED, UH, AS PART OF THAT FOCUS GROUP. 
          UM, SO THOSE ARE, UH, THE SORT OF THREE IN-DEPTH FOCUS GROUPS THAT WE DID, UH, AT THE FRONT OF THIS PROCESS, IN ADDITION TO THE COMMUNITY MEETING THAT WE HELD, UM, UH, IN JULY, UH, WHICH WAS ACTUALLY VERY WELL ATTENDED. 
          AND, UH, WE GOT A LOT OF GOOD FEEDBACK THERE TOO. 
          UH, BUT LIKE CHRISTOPHER SAID, WE'RE VERY MUCH ENGAGED. 
          UM, AND WE DO HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION ON THE WEBSITE. 
          IT MAY BE A LITTLE BIT HARD TO UNDERSTAND AND COULD BE A LITTLE BIT BETTER ORGANIZED THAN WE ARE CONTINUALLY WORKING ON THAT. 
          UM, BUT WE WILL, UH, ALSO CONTINUE TO, TO PUSH ALL THESE THINGS FORWARD BECAUSE, UH, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ON THIS, UH, IMPORTANT EFFORT IS OBVIOUSLY PARAMOUNT. 
          SCOTT, WOULD YOU MIND PULLING UP THE SLIDE THAT YOU HAD THAT SHOWED THE, THE ROLLOUT PROCESS OF THESE, UH, POTENTIAL? SURE. 
          COULD WE GET THE POWERPOINT BACK UP? OKAY. 
          WAS THIS IT? THAT WAS IT THERE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I LIKE THAT WE HAD SOME COMMENTS TALKING ABOUT THAT. 
          UNDER THE STATE LAW RIGHT NOW, IT'S VERY CONFUSING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT ALL THE RULES ARE. 
          I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF YOUR OPENING COMMENTS THAT BY US ADOPTING OUR OWN ORDINANCE, WE ARE ABLE TO ORGANIZE THAT IN A WAY THAT'S HOPEFULLY EASIER FOR RESIDENTS AND AND BUILDERS TO, TO OPERATE WITH THAT. 
          SO I'M LOOKING AT THIS SLIDE HERE. 
          YOU STARTED THIS PROCESS IN THE SPRING OF 2023. 
          WE'RE NOW, UH, AT A, A STUDY SESSION, UH, BEGINNING OF 2024. 
          AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU GUYS WILL CONTINUE ALL THE WAY ON THROUGH THE SUMMER, UH, WITH ADDITIONAL OUTREACH AND ANOTHER, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING POTENTIALLY, UH, IN THE SPRINGTIME. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          AND THAT'S CORRECT. 
          AND, AND I'LL LET ALLISON, UM, I THINK SHE WAS GONNA ADD ON, BUT I THINK THE PUBLIC OPEN HOUSE IS GONNA BE SORT OF THE BIG MAIN EVENT, UH, COMING UP. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          I'M HAVING A HARD TIME WITH THE HOT MIC. 
          SO, UM, WHEN WE DO A, A COMMUNITY WIDE OPEN HOUSE, IN ADDITION TO REACHING OUT TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, WE DO EITHER A PUBLIC NOTICE OR PRESS RELEASE, MAKE SURE IT'S AVAILABLE, UM, TO THE BROAD PUBLIC AND COMMUNITY. 
          WE HAVE AN INTERESTED PARTY SIGN UP. 
          UM, SO ANYONE THAT'S SIGNED UP THROUGH OUR WEBSITE FOR INFORMATION, UH, GETS THESE. 
          AND WE ALSO RECOGNIZE, SO LAST IN, IN 2022, ADUS COMPRISED ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF OUR NEW HOUSING UNITS. 
          AND BASED ON EARLY DATA, I THINK AT THE SAME IS GONNA BE TRUE FOR THIS PAST YEAR. 
          IT'S VERY IMPORTANT PART OF HOW WE HELP MEET OUR HOUSING NEEDS. 
          AND SO LAST YEAR WE DID A CUSTOMER OPEN HOUSE THAT WE INVITED EVERYONE WHO HAS PULLED A BUILDING PERMIT FOR A NEW HOUSING UNIT FROM THE LAST THREE YEARS TOO. 
          UM, SO A LOT OF THAT DISCUSSION, PROBABLY AT LEAST 75% OF IT WAS ABOUT ADUS, WHAT'S WORKING WELL, WHAT WE CAN DO BETTER. 
          UM, SO JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. 
          WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO USE OTHER SPACES TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS AS WELL BECAUSE WE REALIZE HOW CRITICAL AND CENTRAL, UH, A DU PRODUCTION IS TO OUR OVERALL HOUSING, UH, GOALS HERE IN THE CITY. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMERS. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          COMMISSIONER CLEMSON, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, IS THERE, ARE WE LOOKING AT ANY SHAPE REQUIREMENTS FOR LOT SPLITS ON SB SB NINE? I'M SORRY, COULD YOU REPEAT THAT? UH, REPEAT THAT. 
          WHAT TYPE OF REQUIREMENTS? UH, SHAPE REQUIREMENTS LIKE, UH, FLAG LOTS OR, OR I DON'T KNOW, DIAGNOSE SPLITS? YES, WE ARE, I'LL LET SERGIO ANSWER THAT. 
          HE'S THE SUBDIVISION EXPERT. 
          UH, YES SIR. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. 
          UH, YES, IT IS, UH, INCLUDED WITHIN OUR ORDINANCE THAT WE ARE PROHIBITING, UH, ANY TYPE OF FLAG LOTS EASEMENTS. 
          IT HAS TO COMPLY WITH THE MINIMUM LOT WIDTH OF THAT ZONE AND HAVE ACCESS FROM A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, EITHER FROM THE STREETS OR AN ALLEY. 
          AN EXAMPLE YOU HAVE R ONE N UH, ZONE, UH, REQUIRES A 50 FOOT MINIMUM LOT WIDTH, UM, REQUIREMENTS. 
          IF YOU HAVE A HUNDRED, UH, MORE THAN A HUNDRED FOOT WIDE LOTS, YOU 
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CAN SPLIT IT DOWN THE MIDDLE. 
          UM, IF SAME SCENARIO, LET'S SAY, UH, YOU HAVE A LOT THAT'S 50 FEET WIDE AND HAS ACCESS FROM THE ALLY, YOU CAN SPLIT IT DIAGONALLY. 
          SO IT WOULD HAVE TO, UH, MEET THAT CRITERIA PER THE URBAN LOT SPLIT ORDINANCE THAT WAS ADOPTED. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT IS, DESPITE THAT, THAT WOULD CUT A LOT OF, A LOT OF LOTS OFF FROM BEING ABLE TO BE SPLIT UNDER SB NINE. 
          CORRECT? YEAH. 
          SO WE'RE HERE TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK. 
          SO WE MAY NOT HAVE HAVE GOTTEN IT RIGHT. 
          I CAN TELL YOU FLAG LOTS ARE THE BANE OF THE STAFF'S EXISTENCE. 
          FROM A PLAN CHECK STANDPOINT, MAYBE YOU COULD EXPLAIN WHAT A FLAG LOT IS FOR THE, FOR US. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          IF WE ALL VISUALIZE A FLAG, IT HAS A POLE AND THEN IT HAS, YOU KNOW, THE FLAG PORTION. 
          SO WE HAVE LOTS THAT HAVE THIS LONG, NARROW STRIP OF LAND, WHICH IS HOW YOU ACCESS THE PROPERTY, WHICH THEN LEADS TO THE PROPERTY IN THE BACK. 
          UM, THERE'S A SPECIFIC WAY IN THE CODE THAT THEN IT'S PRESCRIBED WHAT IS THE FRONT YARD, WHAT IS THE, THE SIDE YARD. 
          INEVITABLY THE, THE ARCHITECT OR DESIGN PROFESSIONAL DISAGREES WITH THAT DETERMINATION. 
          UH, AND THERE'S CONFLICT DURING THE PLAN CHECK PROCESS, UM, IN JUST THE OWNERSHIP OF THE LOT, THERE'S INEVITABLY CONFLICT BETWEEN THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER AND THE FLAG LOT OWNER. 
          THERE'S DISCREPANCIES ABOUT WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE IS. 
          THERE'S, UH, DISPUTES ABOUT THE MAINTENANCE OF THAT DMZ ZONE BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES AND THE LONG DRIVEWAY. 
          AND SO WE DO WANT TO HAVE HOUSING, BUT WE ALSO WANT TO HAVE HOUSING THAT'S OF QUALITY AND HOPEFULLY, UM, FEWER DISPUTES OR AT LEAST FEWER DISPUTES THAT THE CITY'S, UM, ARBITRATING. 
          SO WE'RE TRYING TO BALANCE, UM, ALL OF THAT WHEN WE, UH, DO NEW SUBDIVISIONS LIKE, UH, THIS COMMISSION APPROVED THE, UM, RIVERWALK PROJECT SOME TIME AGO. 
          WE DON'T ALLOW FLAG LOTS. 
          WE DON'T ALLOW OUR REGULAR LOTS. 
          WE DON'T ALLOW PIE SHAPED LOTS. 
          BUT, UH, LONG BEACH BEING THE WONDERFUL, DIVERSE, UH, HISTORIC PLACE THAT WE HAVE. 
          UM, WE HAVE ALL KINDS OF WEIRD THOUGHTS HERE IN OUR CITY. 
          UM, WE HAVE LOTS THAT WERE CREATED BEFORE THE MAP ACT AT ALL AND IS TOTAL CONFUSION ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE OWN AND WHAT THEY DON'T OWN. 
          UM, SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO DO BETTER, UH, GOING FORWARD, BUT BALANCING, YOU KNOW, SORT OF THAT NEED. 
          UM, AND I THINK IT'S, IT'S AN OPEN QUESTION. 
          WE HAVEN'T SEEN A LOT OF SB NINE CASES, UM, HERE IN THE CITY. 
          I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT'S A PROBLEM BECAUSE WE SEE A TON OF ADUS AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THE PRODUCTION IS HAPPENING, BUT THAT'S JUST STAFF'S OPINION, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE, WE'RE HERE TO GET THAT FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC AS WELL AS, UH, FROM THIS COMMISSION. 
          AND SO JUST TO ROUND OUT THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS, IF YOU HAVE A LOT THAT DOESN'T HAVE AN ALLEYWAY GOING UP BETWEEN IT AND THE, THE, THE NEIGHBOR ON THE OTHER SIDE, YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO SPLIT THAT LOT UNDER AN SSB NINE SITUATION? PROBABLY NOT. 
          THE, YOU MIGHT, UH, IF YOU HAD A LOT THAT HAD NOTHING ON IT AND YOU COULD FIGURE OUT A WAY TO CARVE IT UP DEPENDING ON HOW WIDE IT WAS. 
          BUT, UM, YEAH, IF YOU WERE TRYING TO WORK AROUND EXISTING IMPROVEMENTS AND THERE WASN'T AN ALLEY, YOU MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO DO AN SB NINE PROJECT, BUT YOU COULD PROBABLY TAKE THAT SINGLE FAMILY HOME, ADD AN A DU AND A JUNIOR A DU FOR A TOTAL OF THREE UNITS. 
          AND JUST TO CLARIFY THAT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, SO LIKE, LIKE YOU NOTED, IF IT'S AN INTERIOR LOT, IT HAS NO ALLEY ACCESS. 
          IT'S NOT A CORNER LOT, IT'S JUST AN INTERIOR LOT. 
          UM, DOING AN URBAN LOT SPLIT, BASICALLY, YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO THAT IF IT WOULD CREATE A LANDLOCKED PARCEL. 
          UM, THERE, LIKE CHRISTOPHER SAID, MAYBE SOME OTHER WAY TO UN LANDLOCK THAT PARCEL, BUT IT WOULD NOT BE THROUGH SOMETHING LIKE A FLAG LOTT OR AN EASEMENT. 
          UM, BUT THAT SAID, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO DO AN URBAN LOT SPLIT TO DO AN SB NINE PROJECT. 
          SO YOU CAN STILL DO THE TWO UNIT DEVELOPMENT THAT SSB NINE ALLOWS. 
          YOU JUST HAVE THE TWO UNITS PLUS AN A DU AND A JUNIOR, A DU ON A SINGLE LOT. 
          SO YOU'D HAVE, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE BEGINNING, THAT TOTAL OF FOUR UNITS ON THE LOT, BUT THERE WOULD BE NO LAW SPLIT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, THE OTHER QUESTION IS GOING BACK TO THE INCENTIVES FOR THINGS LIKE PARKING. 
          ALL THE OTHER POLICIES, STATE LEVEL AND CITY LEVEL SEEM TO BE MOVING AWAY FROM INCENTIVIZING PARKING AND PROBABLY EVEN GOING TO THE POINT OF DISINCENTIVIZING BUILDING PARKING, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OUR EN EN ENHANCED DENSITY BONUS, SP NINE, UH, THE, THE A DU LOTS, UH, LAWS, THEY ALL ARE SAYING WE DON'T, AREN'T REQUIRED TO BUILD THAT. 
          I THINK IT'S SORT OF CONTRARY TO THE INTENT OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE AND A LOT OF OUR OTHER GOALS, WHICH ARE DIRECTED TOWARDS REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF DRIVING WE DO IN THE CITY TO, IN FIGURE OUT WAYS TO INCENTIVIZE SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE SHOULD PROBABLY ALREADY BE INCENTIVIZED TO BUILD IF THEY NEEDED IT. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT COMMENT. 
          COMMISSIONER 
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ZINA, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I JUST HAVE ONE MORE PLEASE. 
          UM, CHRIS, YOU SAID, CHRISTOPHER, YOU SAID THAT, UM, YOU WANTED TO HEAR OUR FEEDBACK. 
          SO WHAT KIND OF FEEDBACK, I'M SORRY, I'M ASKING KIND OF A DUMB QUESTION, BUT WHAT KIND OF FEEDBACK ARE WE ALLOWED TO GIVE? WHAT IS, WHAT OUR PARAMETERS ARE? UH, LIKE WHAT, ACTUALLY, IF WE WANT TO GO TO THAT LAST SLIDE THAT YOU HAD. 
          YEAH, SO SCOTT HAS A REALLY GOOD SLIDE ABOUT THAT. 
          AND ASSUMING YOU'RE USING, YOU KNOW, LIKE POLITE LANGUAGE, THERE'S NOTHING OFF LIMITS IN TERMS OF, UM, FEEDBACK THAT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO GIVE OR, OR NOT, UH, ALLOWED TO GIVE. 
          BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE REALLY INTERESTED IN IS WE THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT. 
          WE THINK WE SHOULD FACILITATE, UM, ADDITIONAL ADUS IN PARTICULAR. 
          UM, BUT YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO KIND OF KNOW WHAT YOUR PRIORITIES ARE, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE FEEL, UH, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SOME SPECIFIC THINGS THAT WE'RE GRAPPLING WITH. 
          SO IF THE UNIT FACES THE ALLEY, IS THAT OKAY? UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT IDEAS WE WANT TO GIVE INCENTIVES, BUT YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED WE DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF IDEAS ABOUT THE INCENTIVES. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE IDEAS, I THINK WE'D REALLY BE INTERESTED IN THAT. 
          AND THEN THE STATE AND THEIR, THEIR INFINITE WISDOM WHEN THEY DID SB NINE, IT, IT APPLIES IN SINGLE FAMILY ZONES, BUT WE HAVE A TON OF PROPERTIES IN THE CITY THAT ARE ZONED R TWO AND WE FROM KIND OF THE STAFF TABLE THINK THAT SB NINE SHOULD PROBABLY APPLY THERE TOO. 
          UM, AND, BUT MAYBE WE GOT THAT WRONG. 
          SO, SO THAT'S LIKE A SPECIFIC DECISION POINT THAT WE NEED TO MAKE THIS MONTH, UM, THAT WE'D LOVE TO HAVE, HAVE YOUR FEEDBACK ON. 
          SO ACTUALLY I HAVE TWO OF THE AREAS THAT I'D LIKE TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION FROM STAFF AND, AND, UH, SHARE OUR, MY OPINIONS ON. 
          UH, ONE IS THE, UM, GOING INTO THE R TWO ZONE. 
          SO I'M ASSUMING IF WE OPEN UP A PROPERTY THAT'S CURRENTLY ZONED R TWO, THERE'S A DUPLEX ON IT OR TWO DWELLINGS ON IT, WOULD THE SUBDIVISION REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU WERE JUST SHOWING US IN THE PRESENTATION APPLY TO THAT AS WELL? SO THAT WOULD, EVEN THOUGH WE WOULD OPEN IT UP TO A LARGE AREA, THERE WOULD ONLY BE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF THOSE R TWO LOTS THAT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE SUBDIVISION PART OF IT? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          AND, AND THAT'S SORT OF PART OF THE QUESTION THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING. 
          UM, BUT, SO WE DO HAVE A, A LARGE NUMBER, R TWO LOTS. 
          SOME OF THEM ARE CONFORMING, SOME OF THEM ARE NON-CONFORMING. 
          IF THEY'RE CONFORMING, LET'S SAY THEY'RE 6,000 SQUARE FEET OR MORE, THEY CAN BUILD A DUPLEX UNDER THE REGULAR ZONING AND CODE. 
          UM, THEY ARE STILL ELIGIBLE FOR FOR TWO AUS, BUT THEY WOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE FOR SSB NINE. 
          THE PROBLEM OCCURS WHEN YOU HAVE A R TWO LOT THAT IS NON-CONFORMING IN TERMS OF SIZE. 
          LET'S SAY IT'S 5,000 SQUARE FEET, SUDDENLY IT CANNOT BUILD A DUPLEX UNDER THE ZONING CODE. 
          YOU HAVE TO BE 6,000 SQUARE FEET TO GET TWO UNITS IN AN R TWO LOT UNDER THE ZONING CODE. 
          SO NOW BECAUSE YOU'RE ZONED R TWO, YOU CANNOT DO SB NINE AN SB NINE PROJECT, EVEN THOUGH AN R ONE LOT ACROSS THE STREET IN THE EXACT SAME SITUATION COULD. 
          SO THEN YOU COULD GET THOSE FOUR MAGIC NUMBER FOUR UNITS ON THAT R ONE LOT ACROSS THE STREET, BUT THE R TWO LOT WOULD ONLY BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT EXISTING ONE UNIT PLUS, I GUESS 180 U AND JJU. 
          SO IF WE TOOK AN R TWO LOT THAT WAS 50 BY 150, KIND OF SIMILAR TO WHAT OUR R ONE LOTS TYPICALLY LOOK LIKE, AND IT HAD A DUPLEX ON THE FRONT OF IT, WOULD THEY THEN BE ALLOWED TO BUILD A DO UNDER THE SB NINE? THEY'D BE ALLOWED TO BUILD A DUPLEX ON THE SECOND HALF OF IT AS WELL. 
          BASICALLY, YES. 
          IF THEY DID AN URBAN LOT SPLIT, UM, IF THEY DIDN'T DO AN URBAN LOT SPLIT, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE ADUS BECAUSE THEY ALREADY HAVE TWO PRINCIPAL UNITS. 
          AND THEN I I'M SURE YOU SAID IT AT SOME POINT IN YOUR PRESENTATION, WHERE DID THE MAGIC NUMBER FOUR COME FROM? I MEAN, IF WE DID THE URBAN LOT SPLIT, WHY COULD WE NOT DO A PRIMARY AND A DU AND A JUNIOR A DU ON EACH OF THEM? SO THE STATE LAW, THE MAGIC NUMBER COMES FROM STATE LAW. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WAS, YEAH. 
          UH, NO MATTER HOW YOU SLICE AND DICE IT WITH ANY COMBINATION OF SB NINE UNITS, EXISTING UNITS AND ADUS AND JUNIOR A DSS, YOU CAN NEVER HAVE MORE THAN FOUR, UM, ON A SINGLE LOT. 
          AND IF YOU DO AN URBAN LOT SPLIT, YOU ONLY GET TWO PER LOT TO AGAIN GET THAT, UM, MAGIC NUMBER OF FOUR. 
          UM, COULD YOU, UH, REPEAT THE OTHER HALF OF YOUR QUESTION? NO, NO. 
          THAT, THAT WAS YOU, YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION THERE. 
          AND CHAIR, JUST SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF PULL ON THAT STRING A LITTLE BIT. 
          YOU KNOW, I THINK FROM STAFF, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE POSITIVE AND WE THINK ADUS ARE POSITIVE, BUT THE REASON THAT FOUR EXIST IN STATUTE IS WHEN THIS WENT THROUGH THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS, THERE WAS A LOT OF COMMUNITY CONCERN, AND THAT INCLUDES RESIDENTS HERE. 
          YEAH. 
          IN, IN LONG BEACH. 
          AND I DON'T WANNA GIVE SHORT TRIP TO, TO THEIR OPINION, WHICH WAS THAT THIS WOULD LEAD TO WAY TOO MUCH GROWTH AND, AND MORE THAN NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS COULD HANDLE AND THAT IT WOULD CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO ALL, ALL VALID. 
          THAT'S WHY THERE'S A LOT OF RESTRICTIONS ON SSB NINE. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, POSSIBILITIES, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE LESS THAN FIVE SB NINE, UH, PROJECTS HERE IN THE CITY, A CITY OF HALF A MILLION PEOPLE. 
          SO I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, THE DOOM AND GLOOM CAME TRUE, BUT I ALSO DON'T WANT TO DISMISS. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO BALANCE ALL OF THAT IN CRAFTING POLICY. 
          I, I THINK THE, THE FACT THAT IT'S GOT THE SUBDIVISION PART OF IT LIMITS KIND OF ITS 
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SCOPE IN A LOT OF WAYS TO REALLY PARCELS THAT COULD BENEFIT FROM IT, I THINK TO INCREASE HOUSING AND NOT BE DETRIMENTAL AND, AND LIMITS PARCELS THAT DON'T MEET THAT CRITERIA. 
          COMMISSIONER TEMPLIN? NO, I, UH, WELL, I'VE GOT A COUPLE FOR, UH, A FEW OF OUR SPEAKERS STILL. 
          UM, AND THEN CAN YOU GIVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT WHY WE MIGHT WANT TO EXPAND INTO OUR HISTORIC ZONES FOR THE, UM, ADUS? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. 
          AND, AND AGAIN, IT COMES BACK TO, UM, BALANCING THE, UH, REQUIREMENTS OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS, UH, WITH THE HOUSING GOALS. 
          UM, I'M NOT A HISTORIC EXPERT, SO I THINK I'LL LET, UH, SERGIO OR ALLISON, UH, SPEAK TO THAT. 
          AND, AND I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, I KNOW YOU'RE, THIS IS JUST A STUDY SESSION, SO YOU'RE PUTTING IDEAS OUT THERE, AND I GUESS MY THOUGHT IS DOES STAFF HAVE A FEELING LIKE THEY'RE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS DIRECTION AND THEY'RE LOOKING FOR SOME MORE DISCUSSION ON IT? OR IS THIS JUST A NON-STARTER? SO I'LL START, AND SERGIO, FEEL FREE IF, OR ANYONE HAS ANYTHING TO ADD? SO, SO FIRST OF ALL, YOU CAN ALREADY DO ADUS IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS. 
          IT'S JUST THE SSB NINE, UM, UH, STATUTE THAT'S RESTRICTIVE, UM, RELATED TO HISTORIC DISTRICTS. 
          UM, I THINK FROM THE STAFF TABLE, WE THINK IF IT'S DONE THOUGHTFULLY, IT'S APPROPRIATE TO ALLOW, UM, YOU'RE STILL SUBJECT TO, YOU KNOW, UH, MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE, UM, HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          WE HAVE 19 DISTRICTS IN THE CITY. 
          UM, IT, IT COMPRISES A GOOD, UM, AMOUNT OF AREA AND SOME OF THOSE PROPERTIES, UM, YOU KNOW, ARE LARGER AND COULD HAVE A LOT OF AREA IN THE REAR OR THE ABILITY, UM, TO DO THAT. 
          UM, SUBDIVISION, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO A SUBDIVISION TO DO SB NINE, RIGHT? YOU CAN STILL ADD THAT SECOND UNIT, UH, DEPENDING ON THE CONTEXT AS, AS SCOTT, UM, MENTIONED. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S HISTORIC DISTRICTS. 
          I THINK THAT'S ONE OF IT. 
          THE OTHER PART WAS, UM, THE EXEMPTION FROM THE COASTAL ZONE OR A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD AREAS. 
          AND THAT REALLY DOES EXCLUDE A LOT OF OUR CITY. 
          WE ALSO HAVE A CLIMATE ACTION PLAN THAT ADDRESSES, UM, HOW TO STILL BUILD APPROPRIATELY IN, IN A FLOOD AREA. 
          SO UNDERSTANDING THE WHOLE POLICY CONTEXT, YOU KNOW, UM, I THINK WE BELIEVE THERE'S ABILITY, THERE'S REASON TO, UM, EXPAND SB NINE ELIGIBILITY TO SOME OF THOSE SUB AREAS. 
          CAN YOU CLARIFY FOR US WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? IF YOU DID AN SB NINE, UM, PROJECT WHERE YOU HAD TWO PROPERTIES ON IT, BUT YOU DIDN'T DO THE SUBDIVISION, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JUST DOING A SEPARATE A DU ON THE BACK PART OF THAT PARCEL? IS IT THE, THE LIMITATIONS THAT THE A-D-U-A-D-U PUTS? SO, UH, I WOULD SAY A COME WITH THE LEAST LIMITATIONS, UH, JUNIOR ADUS COME WITH THAT, UM, OWNER OCCUPANCY AND PERPETUITY LIMITATION AND YOUR SB NINE UNITS COME WITH THAT THREE YEAR OWNER OCCUPANCY LIMITATION. 
          UM, SO IT'S KIND OF THE OWNER AND THE BUILDER'S CHOICE, UH, WHAT THEY WANNA DEAL WITH. 
          BUT TYPICALLY IF YOU HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, UH, OR AN EXISTING DUPLEX, THEY'LL GO THE A DU ROUTE BECAUSE IT'S JUST SO MUCH SIMPLER. 
          UM, BUT IF THEY ONLY HAVE, LET'S SAY A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND THEY WANT TO GET TO THOSE FOUR UNITS, THEY WILL HAVE TO DO ONE SB NINE UNIT AND THEN TWO ADUS TO GET TO THAT, TO GET TO THAT FOUR. 
          AND HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERED ONE OF THE SPEAKER'S QUESTIONS ON THE THREE YEAR LIMITATION, THAT WAS REALLY JUST TIED TO AN SB NINE CORRECT PROJECT. 
          OKAY. 
          NOT AN A DU UNIT. 
          UM, I KNOW YOU GUYS HAD MENTIONED THAT WE HAVE ALREADY SOME, UM, PRE-APPROVED A DU PLANS THAT ARE ON THE WEBSITE THAT, UM, PEOPLE CAN USE. 
          AND I THINK ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WERE SOME OTHER MUNICIPALITIES ALSO HAVE THEM ON THERE, AND IF WE WOULD BE ABLE TO USE THOSE, I'M ASSUMING THAT WE ARE EXPANDING OUR OWN. 
          YEAH, SO I MEAN, I THINK THE ANSWER TO THAT IS SORT OF, WHICH I'M SURE IS NOT A FULFILLING ANSWER, BUT, UM, OUR PRE-APPROVED ADUS DON'T GO THROUGH PLAN CHECK. 
          YOU USE THEM AND YOU GET, THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN OVER THE COUNTER APPROVAL BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN PLAN CHECKED. 
          UH, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE UTILITY CONNECTIONS AND THAT'S ABOUT IT. 
          UM, IF YOU HAVE A PRE-APPROVED PLAN FROM THE COUNTY, FROM STOCKTON, FROM WHEREVER IN CALIFORNIA, IT'S GONNA BE FASTER THAN A FROM SCRATCH, UM, DESIGN. 
          BUT WE WILL HAVE TO PLAN, CHECK IT FROM A LIABILITY REASON, EVEN IF THE COUNTY PLAN CHECKED IT, WE DIDN'T PLAN CHECK IT. 
          UM, SO MAYBE SOMEDAY THE STATE AND ITS INFINITE WISDOM WILL HAVE LIKE A, UH, THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO CLEAR THEIR THINGS THROUGH HCD, BUT THEY HAVEN'T DONE THAT, UM, FOR ADUS. 
          UM, AND THEN WE WILL BE EXPANDING OUR PRE-APPROVED ADUS, BUT THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. 
          SO IT TOOK A YEAR TO PUT TOGETHER THE ONES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TODAY. 
          I WANT TO HAVE SOME REAL DATA BEFORE WE DO THE NEXT ITERATION. 
          HMM. 
          SO WE NEED TO GIVE, UM, YOU KNOW, SORT OF THE CONTRACTOR COMMUNITY AT LEAST SIX MONTHS TO WORK WITH THE ONES THAT WE HAVE AND SEE WHAT'S WORKING AND WHAT ISN'T WORKING BEFORE WE CAN SORT OF MAKE CHANGES TO THAT PROGRAM. 
          PERFECT. 
          AND THEN, UM, I'M GONNA ASK THIS QUESTION AND IF YOU COULD TELL ME WHERE YOU, WE WOULD FIND THIS INFORMATION, I THINK WOULD BE MORE HELPFUL THAN EVEN 
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THE ANSWER THAT THE GENTLEMAN THAT HAD THE QUESTION THAT THE PARKING THAT CONVERTING THE GARAGE WOULD NEED TO BE A MINIMUM OF 800 SQUARE FEET. 
          I THINK THAT'S INCORRECT FOR AN A DU. 
          UM, SO IF YOU COULD ANSWER THAT, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, I MEAN, IF WE GO ONTO THE WEBSITE ONTO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT WEBSITE, IS THERE A LOCATION THAT GIVES KIND OF THE PARAMETERS? YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          SO WE DO HAVE SOME RESOURCES ON THE WEBSITE. 
          WE HAVE A ZONING SUMMARY GUIDE THAT INTERPRETS STATE LAW INTO A SOMEWHAT MORE DIGESTIBLE FORM, UM, THAT LAYS OUT ALL OF THESE REQUIREMENTS. 
          UM, AND THEN I THINK WE HAVE AN ILLUSTRATED, UM, GUIDE FOR SB NINE AS WELL. 
          UH, BUT TO ANSWER THE, UH, COMMENTER'S QUESTION, UH, SO THAT 800 SQUARE FEET IS NOT A MINIMUM SIZE THEN AN A DU WOULD HAVE TO BE, IT'S A MINIMUM THAT WE HAVE TO ALLOW UNDER STATE LAW. 
          SO IF SOMEBODY SAYS, I WANNA BUILD AN 800 SQUARE FOOT A DU, WE CANNOT SAY NO. 
          UM, BUT THE MINIMUM SIZE THAT IT ACTUALLY HAS TO BE IS ONLY THE 150, UM, UNDER THE STATE HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE. 
          SO IF, IF SOMEBODY HAD A 600 SQUARE FOOT GARAGE AND THEY WANTED TO JUST CONVERT THAT TO AN A DU, THEY DON'T HAVE TO EXPAND IT TO 800. 
          AND WE DO ANSWER QUESTIONS OF LIKE THIS, UM, DAY IN, DAY OUT THROUGH OUR, UM, AT OUR PERMIT CENTER, UM, THROUGH OUR VIRTUAL SERVICES AND, UH, THROUGH OUR ZONING HOTLINE. 
          SO STAFF ARE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS. 
          UM, AS SCOTT MENTIONED, WE HAVE A LOT OF WRITTEN RESOURCES, BUT THIS IS MUCH OF WHAT OUR PLANNERS DO, UM, DAY IN DAY OUT HERE AT THE CITY. 
          I WANNA COMMEND YOU GUYS ON YOUR ILLUSTRATED, UH, GUIDES THAT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN PUTTING OUT. 
          THOSE ARE REALLY HELPFUL, I THINK FOR, UM, PEOPLE WHEN THEY'RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND KIND OF THE, THE BROADER STROKES OF WHAT'S REQUIRED AND WHAT'S ALLOWED. 
          UH, AND I'M, I'M VERY CURIOUS TO SEE WHERE WE GO OVER THE NEXT SIX MONTHS WITH THIS. 
          I THINK THERE'S SOME INTERESTING QUESTIONS THAT, UM, HAVE A LOT OF FINE ISSUES TO DISCUSS, ESPECIALLY IN THE HISTORIC AREAS BEING ALLOWED TO DO THAT. 
          AND I THINK GOING INTO THE R TWO AREAS, UM, I DON'T WANNA SAY IT'S UNFORTUNATE. 
          I THINK IF IT WAS JUST GOING WHERE WE HAD, WHERE WE COULD DO THOSE IN THE R TWOS, IF IT MET THE, UM, MAPPING REQUIREMENTS, I WOULD BE ALL FOR THAT. 
          BUT THE FACT THAT WE CAN DO IT WITHOUT THE MAPPING REQUIREMENTS MEANS THERE IS A FAIR AMOUNT OF FLEXIBILITY STILL AND HOW THAT, HOW THAT COULD HAPPEN AND, AND WHAT KINDA SAFEGUARDS DO WE NEED TO TO THINK ABOUT WITH THAT. 
          COMMERS, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER CLEMON? YEAH, AND I JUST WANNA GET IN ON THE HISTORIC, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS QUESTION. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK ONE OF THE REALLY GREAT THINGS ABOUT THESE NEIGHBORHOODS IS THAT THEY, WHEN THEY WERE DEVELOPED, THEY HAD THINGS LIKE BACKYARD HOUSES, MOTHER-IN-LAW UNITS, WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT BY OPENING IT UP FOR BETTER, MORE, UM, MORE OF THESE TYPES OF, OF UNITS, I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY KIND OF GETTING IT BACK TOWARDS WHAT THESE THINGS, WHAT THESE NEIGHBORHOODS LOOKED LIKE WHEN THEY WERE FIRST BEING DEVELOPED. 
          UM, AND THEN TALKING ABOUT THE UNITS THAT ARE, UH, FACING, UH, FRONTING AN ALLEY. 
          NOBODY'S FAVORITE PLACE TO LIVE IS, YOU KNOW, LOOKING OUT ON THE ALLEY. 
          BUT THERE ACROSS THE ALLEY FROM MY HOUSE, THERE'S ACTUALLY SOMEONE WHO CONVERTED, I THINK IT WAS AN ILLEGAL UNIT, UH, INTO A LEGAL ONE. 
          YEAH, WELL, YOU KNOW, THEY, THOSE EXISTED, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S REALLY NICE AND, UH, THERE'S A REALLY NICE, UH, WOMAN WHO LIVES THERE NOW. 
          AND YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT IF WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT AESTHETICS, YOU KNOW, A PERSON WHO DOESN'T WANNA LOOK AT AN ALLEY DOESN'T HAVE TO LIVE THERE, BUT A PERSON WHO DOESN'T MIND IT, THAT'S A GREAT PLACE FOR THEM TO LIVE, YOU KNOW, AND OFTENTIMES THOSE ALLEY UNITS ARE, IT'S REALLY JUST ABOUT THE ACCESSIBILITY TO 'EM, RIGHT? I MEAN, THE ACTUAL ORIENTATION OF THE UNIT IS OFTEN FACING TOWARDS THE GARDEN. 
          IT'S, IT'S JUST BEING ABLE TO ACCESS IT FROM A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. 
          AND THEY DO HAVE A REALLY GREAT, LIKE ACCESS TO THE COMMUNITY, THE COMMUNAL GARDEN, AND, YOU KNOW, IF THEY WANTED TO GO OUT THE FRONT WAY, THEY DEFINITELY COULD. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? GOOD JOB. 
          NO, NO. 
          WELL, I THINK WE'D LIKE TO THANK STAFF FOR ALL OF THE WORK YOU GUYS HAVE PUT INTO THIS. 
          THIS IS NOT A NOT MONUMENTAL TASK. 
          IT IS A MONUMENTAL TASK THAT YOU GUYS HAVE, HAVE BEEN WORKING ON HERE. 
          AND I'M SURE THE RESIDENTS, UH, AND THE BUILDERS HERE IN LONG BEACH WILL BE APPRECIATIVE OF YOUR WORK. 
          BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S, IT'S COMPLICATED NAVIGATING ALL THAT, AS WE'VE SEEN FROM SOME OF THE COMMENTS THIS EVENING. 
          SO MY KUDOS TO ALL OF YOU. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH, COMMISSIONERS. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THAT NOW? WELL, I'LL JUST ECHO THAT I REALLY APPRECIATED ALL OF THE GRAPHICS AND ALL OF THE EFFORT THAT WENT INTO THE PRESENTATION. 
          IT WAS A LOT OF INFORMATION. 
          AND AS ONE OF THE NEWEST COMMISSIONERS, I REALLY WANNA EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU GUYS PUT INTO IT, TO, FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND IT . 
          SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          WELL, AND I THINK TO REALLY CLARIFY THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE ADUS AND THE SB NINES, I THINK FOR A LOT OF US, THAT'S BEEN A LITTLE CONFUSING IN OUR HEADS. 
          WHAT, WHICH IS WHICH. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S, THAT HAS CERTAINLY HELPED. 
          AND, AND I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR BRINGING THE COMMENTS FROM THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO CAME TO THESE, THESE, UH, EVENTS. 
          UH, I THINK THOSE ARE REALLY, REALLY GOOD TO SEE IN A CON CONDENSED 
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WAY, UH, SUMMARIZED WAY. 
          AND YOU KNOW, AS WE KEEP DOING THESE, I REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO THAT. 
          UH, AGAIN, THANK YOU. 
          AND I WANT TO THANK THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT TOOK THE TIME TO COME DOWN THIS EVENING AND, UH, PARTICIPATE IN THE MEETING, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT SPOKE, YOUR COMMENTS WERE WELL RECEIVED AND WILL HELP HOPEFULLY MAKE A BETTER, UH, A BETTER ORDINANCE FOR US AS WE MOVE FORWARD. 
          WITH THAT, I'M GONNA CLOSE THIS ITEM. 
          WOULD YOU LIKE US TO VOTE TO RECEIVE AND FILE? YES, PLEASE. 
          IF WE COULD HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. 
          COMMISSIONER CLEMSON. 
          AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ. 
          EDMOND AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER LAGA. 
          AYE. 
          VICE CHAIR TEMPLAN AYE. 
          CHAIR LEWIS. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          ALRIGHT, WITH THAT I'M GONNA OPEN UP THE MICROPHONE TO ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON NON AGENDIZED ITEMS. SO SOMETHING THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING, IF YOU FEEL THE NEED TO SHARE THAT WITH US RIGHT NOW. 
          THE MIC IS YOURS FOR THREE MINUTES. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          UH, GOOD EVENING. 
          UH, CHAIR LEWIS AND COMMISSIONERS. 
          UM, MY NAME IS BRIAN COCHRANE. 
          I'M A, UH, DISTRICT THREE IN BELMONT SHORE RESIDENT AND I'M HERE, UH, SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF 600 PLUS PETITION SIGNERS AND THE MANY RESIDENTS OF OUR COMMUNITY WHO'VE, UH, ATTENDED DOZENS OF MEETINGS OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS. 
          AND, UM, UH, ENGAGED WITH MANY DIFFERENT, UH, FACETS OF THE PARKLETS SUBJECT. 
          I'M HERE ON A SUBJECT OF FAIRNESS, TRANSPARENCY, AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, EFFECTIVE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ON THAT ISSUE. 
          AND SOMETHING YOU MAY NOT BE AWARE OF, YOU PROBABLY SAW ME AND SOME OF OF YOU MAY RECALL THAT I WAS HERE AS A, UH, APPELLANT ON TWO PARKLETS IN OUR AREA IN A THREEQUARTER MILE DISTRICT WHERE SOME 15 TO 20 PARKLETS ARE ENVISIONED. 
          AND, UM, IF YOU'D SEEN THE ABSENCE SINCE THEN THAT, THAT THERE'S BEEN NO ONES, NO NO FURTHER APPEALS BEFORE YOU, YOU'D THINK THAT THE ISSUE HAD GONE AWAY, THAT WE DIDN'T CARE ANYMORE, THAT THERE WEREN'T MORE COMING. 
          THE TRUTH IS THAT THERE ARE SOME 15 MORE PARKLETS IN OUR AREA ALREADY IN THE PIPELINE MOVING FORWARD. 
          YOU'RE JUST HEARING ABOUT THE FIRST ONES AND THE REASONS YOU'RE NOT HEARING ABOUT ANY OF THE OTHER ONES ARE THAT THE BURDEN AND THE, THE ONUS ON THE COMMUNITY TO ENGAGE WITH THIS IS BURDENSOME. 
          IT COST US SOME $430. 
          JUST TO APPEAL BEFORE YOU ON THE TWO PARKLETS, WE WERE ABLE TO, UH, I UNDERSTAND THAT FEE HAS BEEN RAISED BY THE CITY TO SOME $700 CURRENTLY. 
          UH, I'D HAVE TO VERIFY THAT, BUT I KNOW IT'S ONEROUS TO, UH, COMMUNITY MEMBERS INDIVIDUALLY AND TO COMMUNITY GROUPS WITH LIMITED RESOURCES. 
          SO I'M HERE TO SAY THAT THE TEMPERATURE ON THIS ISSUE IS IMPORTANT. 
          I WOULD SET SUGGEST FIRST THAT YOU UNDERTAKE A STUDY SESSION, AN EXPEDITED ONE, SINCE THERE'S GOING TO BE MANY BEFORE, UH, THE PROCESS COMING FORWARD. 
          YOU'RE BEING SKIPPED OVER THOUGH, AND YOUR WEBSITE AND YOUR MANDATE BY CHARTER SEEMS TO SUGGEST THAT YOU PLAY, QUOTE, A VITAL ROLE IN THE SHAPING OF FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND THAT YOU WORK TOGETHER WITH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT STAFF, NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS SPECIFICALLY TO CREATE THE BEST SUPPORT AND FULFILL THE INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          IF THE PARKLETS ORDINANCE THAT WAS CREATED IN 2018 DOES NOT YET INCLUDE YOU AS A PART OF THAT STEP, AND AGAIN, WE HAD 15 PLUS MINUTES TO ENGAGE WITH YOU AS APPELLANT'S BOOK CAN NO LONGER DO THAT DUE TO COST PROHIBIT PROHIBITIONS. 
          YOU'RE NOT BEING HEARD ON THIS MATTER AND THE COMMUNITY'S NOT BEING HEARD ON THIS MATTER. 
          THE STEPS RIGHT NOW ARE A ZONING ADMINISTRATOR HEARING, WHICH IS PERFUNCTORY AND IT ONLY INVOLVES SHORT COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC AND THEN GOING DIRECTLY TO COUNCIL IF THEY DON'T STOP HERE AND PAY THAT $400 FEE OR $700 FEE. 
          SO IT'S GOING TO CITY COUNCIL FOR A YET UNDEFINED PROCESS, WHICH WILL PROBABLY BE HASTILY CONDUCTED AND RUBBER STAMPED. 
          AS FAR AS PAST EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN, I WOULD URGE YOU TO FIGURE OUT A WAY, AND I DID THIS FOR THE AROMA. 
          AROMA AND OTHERS IN THE COMMUNITY DID AS WELL. 
          THERE WAS A PARKLET, UH, THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO COME FOR NEXT STEP TO APPEAL TO YOU BACK IN NOVEMBER. 
          I REACHED OUT AND SENT EMAILS TO THIS BODY AND THE COMMISSION MEMBERS, I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER CASTILLO IS NOT HERE 'CAUSE I KNOW HE HAD AN ENGAGED INTEREST IN THIS PREVIOUSLY. 
          UM, YOU'RE BEING SKIPPED OVER AND THIS IS A BODY THAT'S ESSENTIAL TO THAT PROCESS. 
          IT WAS ENVISIONED IN THE 28 OR 2018 ORDINANCE. 
          AND THEN CITY COUNCIL TOOK THE 2023 STEP OF REMOVING COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AS A FORMAL PART OF THAT PROCESS, LEAVING IT TO THIS OPEN-ENDED APPEAL THAT WILL COME TO FOR, UM, COUNSEL SOON. 
          IT'S SKIPPING YOU ENTIRELY BECAUSE THE BURDEN OF PAYING THAT $407 FEE, WHATEVER IT MAY BE AT THE CURRENT STATE, IS TOO BURDENSOME IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          I'D LIKE YOU TO GET A STUDY. 
          I'D LIKE YOU TO INTERVENE IN THIS PROCESS. 
          I'D LIKE YOU TO REACH OUT. 
          OUR COMMUNITY NEEDS THIS STEP AND THIS VITAL PART OF IT, AND I ASK YOU TO FOLLOW THAT MANDATE AND YOUR ENGAGEMENT BASED ON PAST EXPERIENCE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR COMING DOWN THIS EVENING. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE, THE PUBLIC WITH NOT? I WILL FORMALLY ADJOURN OUR MEETING.
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