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THIS IS THE CULTURAL HERITAGE COMMISSION MEETING FOR THE CITY OF LONG BEACH.
I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE CULTURAL HERITAGE COMMISSION ORDER FOR JANUARY 30TH, 2024.
MME. KIRK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL COMMISSIONER BOECK PRESIDENT.
PRESENT, DID IT WORK? PRESENT VICE CHAIRMAN GUAN, PRESENT.
UM, VICE CHAIR WAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO READ, LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEASE? UH, I WOULD DO THAT.
EVERYONE STAND TO REMOVE YOUR HAT AND REPEAT AFTER ME.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG.
IT IS NOW TIME FOR SWEARING OF WITNESSES.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE GIVING TESTIMONY, PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE EVIDENCE YOU SHALL GIVE IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING SHALL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? ACTUALLY, IT'S HERITAGE.
CULTURAL HERITAGE MEETING, HOT PLANNING.
UH, RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE DIRECTOR'S REPORT.
DO WE HAVE A REPORT? GOOD EVENING, CHAIR AND COMMISSIONER.
UM, I WANT TO, UH, FIRST AND FOREMOST, UM, WELCOME YOU ALL HERE TO LONG BEACH CITY COLLEGE AND THANK THE CITY COLLEGE FOR, UH, HOSTING US HERE AT THEIR CAMPUS.
WHILE WE'RE DOING SOME, UH, NE NECESSARY UPGRADES TO THE AUDIO VISUAL CAPABILITIES AT CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS, UH, I THINK WE'VE ALL EXPERIENCED SOME OF THE CHALLENGES WITH THOSE OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO GOING BACK, UH, TO THE CHAMBERS WITH, UH, SOME UPGRADES MADE.
UM, ALSO JUST A COUPLE OF, UM, HOUSEKEEPING NOTES, UH, BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION AND THE TECHNOLOGY SET SET UP HERE, THIS IS A FULLY IN-PERSON MEETING.
AS, UM, OUR CITY ATTORNEY JUST MENTIONED, IT IS BEING RECORDED SO THAT THE MEETING CAN BE POSTED.
SO WE ASK YOU TO MAKE SURE YOUR MIC IS, IS ON, UM, WHEN SPEAKING THIS EVENING.
AND THEN, UM, LAST BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST, I WANT TO FORMALLY WELCOME COMMISSIONER PRYOR HERE, UM, UP ON THE DAIS.
SO GLAD TO HAVE YOU JOINING THE COMMISSION.
I KNOW WE GOT AN INTRODUCTION A COUPLE MONTHS AGO AT OUR LAST MEETING.
UM, BUT VERY GLAD TO HAVE YOU UP HERE AND AS PART OF THE VOTING COMMISSION.
SO PLEASE JOIN ME IN WELCOMING, UH, COMMISSIONER PRYOR.
AND THEN FINALLY, UM, ONE MORE THING I DID WANNA ADD IS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HOSTING A SPECIAL MEETING SOMETIME IN EARLY SPRING TO DO, UM, A TRAINING FOR, UH, THE COMMISSION AND THE PUBLIC ON, UM, SORT OF AN OVERVIEW OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION, A REVIEW OF SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, JUST SORT OF A REFRESHER, SOMETHING WE DO EVERY FEW YEARS.
AND IT'S BEEN SOME TIME SINCE WE'VE DONE SO.
WE'LL BE IN TOUCH ON THAT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.
UH, BUT WANTED TO SHARE THAT EXCITING INFORMATION.
AND THAT CONCLUDES MY DIRECTOR'S REPORT.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER GROFF, YOU MOVED TO ACCEPT THE, UM, THE NOTES AND COMMISSIONER HUNTER, I SECOND.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT? SEEING NONE, WE WILL NOW TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT.
IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, PLEASE LINE UP IN FRONT OF THE PODIUM ON THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT.
UH, CALL FOR A VOTE, UM, TO RECEIVE AND FILE THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT.
DID WE ASK FOR COMMISSIONER PRYOR'S VOTE? WE DID NOT.
AND IT WILL NOT DISPLAY ON THE SCREEN, BUT I WILL GO AHEAD AND FIX IT ON THE BACKEND.
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TWO IS RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF FOR THE CULTURAL HERITAGE COMMISSION MEETING OF TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 28TH, 2023.MAY I HAVE A MOTION ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER BODAK MAKES THE MOTION.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? COMMISSIONER PIZZA.
ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC? MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL FOR THE VOTE.
OH, YOU DO HAVE A QUESTION, BUT ISN'T, ARE WE GONNA DO A PRESENTATION OR NO MINUTES? SORRY, COMMISSIONER.
THAT WAS FOR THE, OH, I'M SORRY.
SO FOR CLARITY, I BELIEVE WE'RE TAKING A VOTE ON ITEM TWO.
WE'VE HAD COMMISSIONER COMMENT.
WE'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, WHICH HAS BEEN CLOSED, AND SO WE'RE READY FOR THAT VOTE.
I WASN'T OFFICIALLY ON THE DAY.
DID YOU RECEIVE YOUR PACKET AND REVIEW THE MINUTES IN YOUR PACKET? I DID.
THEN YOU CAN VOTE ON THE ITEM, THEN I APPROVE.
UM, AGAIN, JOCELYN PRYOR WILL NOT SHOW ON THE SCREEN, BUT I'LL GO AHEAD AND FIX THAT ON THE BACKEND.
MY COMPUTER, MY COMPUTER'S A BIT SLOW.
SO ITEM NUMBER THREE IS RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND ADOPT THE PROPOSED FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THERETO TO ALLOW FOR THE DEMOLITION OF A SINGLE BUILDING CONSISTING OF A DETACHED GARAGE AND STORAGE ROOM CONSTRUCTION OF A 369 SQUARE FOOT FIRST FLOOR ADDITION CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW THREE 503 SQUARE FOOT, SECOND FLOOR TO THE REAR OF A SINGLE STORY RESIDENCE, AND A NEW DETACHED 700 SQUARE FOOT TWO CAR GARAGE.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 3 3 5 GLADYS AVENUE WITHIN THE BLUFF HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT AND IN THE TWO FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT WITH STANDARD LOTS ZONING DISTRICT, THE PROPERTY IS A CONTRIBUTOR TO THE BLUFF HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT, DISTRICT TWO.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER MCGON WOULD MAKE THAT MOTION.
SECOND CHAIR IRVINE WILL SECOND.
DO WE HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM STAFF, PLEASE? YES.
UM, PROJECT PLANNER GINA CASILLAS WILL PROVIDE THE PRESENTATION ON THIS ITEM.
GOOD, GOOD EVENING, CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS.
I'M GONNA WAIT ONE MOMENT FOR THE POWERPOINT TO LOAD.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF GLADYS AVENUE BETWEEN COLORADO STREET AND THIRD STREET.
IT'S AN INTERIOR LOT FRONTING ON GLADYS AVENUE, AND IT'S ADJACENT TO A 10 FOOT WIDE ALLEY AT THE REAR TO THE WEST.
IT'S LOCATED IN THE R TWO A, UH, ZONING DISTRICT, THE TWO FAMILY DISTRICT WITH STANDARD LOTS, AND IT IS LOCATED IN THE BLUFF HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE LOT MEASURES 50 FEET, UM, WIDE, 130 FEET DEEP.
IT TOTALS 6,500 SQUARE FEET OF LOT AREA.
THE LOT IS IMPROVED WITH A ONE STORY, 1,122 SINGLE, UH, SQUARE FOOT SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING, A DETACHED, UH, 258 SQUARE FOOT, TWO CAR GARAGE, AND A 279 SQUARE FOOT STORAGE ROOM, WHICH IS ATTACHED TO THE REAR OF THE GARAGE.
THE GARAGE IS, UM, ACCESSED DIRECTLY FROM THE CURB CUT DRIVEWAY ALONG LATTICE AVENUE.
UH, THIS, UH, SLIDE IS SHOWING THE AERIAL VIEW.
IT SHOWS THE, UM, SINGLE STORY, UM, SINGLE FAMILY HOME OUTLINED IN GREEN.
THE DETACHED, UH, TWO CAR GARAGE, 258 SQUARE FOOT TWO DETACHED GARAGE IS OUTLINED IN PURPLE.
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AND THEN A 279 SQUARE FOOT STORAGE ROOM, WHICH IS ATTACHED TO THE REAR OF THE GARAGE, OUTLINED IN YELLOW.THE EXISTING ONE STORY DWELLING WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1916.
ACCORDING TO COUNTY ASSESSOR RECORDS, THE DWELLING HAS A RECTANGULAR FOOTPRINT WITH THE PRIMARY FRONT FACING ROOF GABLE.
THE BUILDING IS CLAD AND EXTERIOR HORIZONTAL WOOD SIDING.
THE DWELLING FEATURES LARGE OVERHANGING EXPOSED ROOF EAVES AND IS, UH, 16 FEET, EIGHT INCHES IN TOTAL HEIGHT.
A 14 FOOT TALL PORCH ROOF EXTENDS SEVEN FEET FORWARD FROM THE DWELLING EXTERIOR WALL.
THE PORCH EXTENDS ALMOST THE ENTIRE WIDTH OF THE DWELLING FRONTAGE.
THE PORCH ROOF IS SUPPORTED BY FOUR SQUARE WOOD COLUMNS.
THE DWELLING SIDE ELEVATIONS FEATURE SMALL SIDE FACING GABLE ROOF SYSTEMS THAT EXTEND SLIGHTLY PAST THE FOOTPRINT OF THE MAIN BUILDING.
THE DWELLING FEATURES ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS WITH LARGE TRIM BOARDS SURROUNDS THE FRONT ELEVATION.
ALSO FEATURES A TRIPARTITE WINDOW, A CENTERED ENTRY DOOR, AND ONE SINGLE SASH, UM, SINGLE HUNG SASH WOOD WINDOW ON THE RIGHT.
THE SIDE ELEVATIONS FEATURE EXPOSED, UH, ROOF EVES SINGLE HUNG SASH WOOD WINDOWS IN VARYING SIZES.
AND THE REAR ADDITION FEATURES A SMALL NON-ORIGINAL ADDITION, UM, SHOWN IN THE PHOTO AT THE BOTTOM LEFT, UH, WITH TWO WOOD WINDOWS AND NO PERMITS WERE FOUND FOR THIS ADDITION.
THE DETACHED GARAGE HAS A RECTANGULAR BUILDING FOOTPRINT AND A FRONT FACING GABLE ROOF SYSTEM.
THE GARAGE FEATURES THE SAME EXTERIOR, UH, HORIZONTAL WOOD SIDING AS THE DWELLING AND HAS ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS.
THE STORAGE ROOM IS ATTACHED TO THE REAR OF THE GARAGE AND FEATURES A LOWER GABLE ROOF SYSTEM, VERTICAL MOUNT EXTER MOUNTED EXTERIOR WITH SIDING AND WINDOWS WITH GRIDS.
IT APPEARS THAT THE DWELLING, THE GARAGE WERE BOTH CONSTRUCTED AT THE SAME TIME, WE BELIEVE 1916, AS THEY WERE BOTH CONSTRUCTED IN THE CRAFTSMAN ARCHITECTURAL STYLE.
AND THEY BOTH FEATURE THE SAME UNIQUE EXTERIOR, UM, HORIZONTAL WOOD SIDING AND SIMILAR WOOD WINDOWS.
THE STORAGE ROOM APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN CONSTRUCTED AT A LATER TIME AS IT FEATURES A LOWER GABLE ROOF LINE AND EXTERIOR VERTICAL WOOD SIDING.
THE ORIGINAL DWELLING IS SHOWN IN YELLOW.
UH, THE EXISTING DWELLING MAINTAINS A FIVE FOOT FIVE INCH SETBACK ALONG THE NORTHERN SIDE PROPERTY LINE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE POP-OUT FEATURE.
THE NEW ADDITION WILL MAINTAIN THE FIVE FOOT FIVE INCH SETBACK ALONG THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE.
THE FIRST FLOOR ADDITION WILL EXTEND OUT APPROXIMATELY 16 FEET FROM THE EXISTING REAR EXTERIOR BUILDING WALL, AND IT WILL MAINTAIN A 58 FOOT SETBACK FROM THE REAR PROPERTY LINE.
THE ADDITION WILL BE APPROXIMATELY 26 FEET, SIX INCHES IN WIDTH, AND WILL TOTAL 369 SQUARE FEET AREA.
THE SECOND FLOOR IS PROPOSED DIRECTLY ABOVE THE FIRST FLOOR ADDITION, AND IT WILL A TOTAL 503 SQUARE FEET IN AREA.
NO CHANGES ARE PROPOSED TO THE FRONT OR SIDE ELEVATIONS OF THE HISTORIC BUILDING.
THE EXISTING GARAGE AND STORAGE ROOM WILL BE DEMOLISHED ENTIRELY TO MAKE WAY FOR THE NEW ADDITION.
AND A NEW 700 SQUARE FOOT GARAGE WILL BE CONSTRUCTED FURTHER BACK IN THE LOT, SPECIFICALLY IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE LOT AS SHOWN, UM, OUTLINED IN PURPLE.
THE NEW GARAGE WILL BE LOCATED ALONG THE, THE REAR PROPERTY LINE AND WILL MAINTAIN A FOUR FOOT SEVEN INCH SETBACK ALONG THE SIDE PROPERTY LINE.
THE NEW GARAGE WILL MEASURE 20 FEET WIDE BY 34 FEET, FOUR IN LENGTH.
THE ADDITION AND THE NEW GARAGE COMPLIES WITH THE WORK WITH REQUIRED SETBACKS REQUIRED BY CODE.
THE FIRST FLOOR ADDITION WILL BE LOCATED AT THE REAR OF THE EXISTING DWELLING AND WILL EXTEND OUT APPROXIMATELY 16 FEET FROM THE EXISTING REAR, UM, BUILDING WALL.
THE SECOND FLOOR IS LOCATED DIRECTLY ABOVE THE NEW FIRST FLOOR ADDITION.
UH, THE ADDITION FEATURES TWO GABLE ROOF LINES, A FRONT FACING GABLE ROOF AND A SIDE FACING GABLE ROOF.
THE NEW ADDITION WILL MATCH THE, UH, HORIZONTAL WOOD SIDING.
IT'LL FEATURE LARGE OVERHANGING ROOF EAVES AND, UM, WILL BE FITTED WITH WOOD WINDOWS ON ALL FOUR SIDES OF THE ADDITION.
THE EXISTING DWELLING IS 16 FEET, TWO INCHES IN HEIGHT, MEASURED TO THE HIGHEST GAB GABLE PEAK.
THE SECOND FLOOR WILL EXTEND APPROXIMATELY SEVEN FEET, FOUR INCHES ABOVE THAT EXISTING DWELLING HEIGHT.
UM, THE SECOND FLOOR WILL IS PROPOSED AT 24 FEET, 11 INCHES AS MEASURED TO THE HIGHEST ROOF PEAK.
THE FRONT ELEVATION WILL FEATURE A FRONT FACING GABLE ROOF THAT EXTENDS FORWARD TWO FEET.
UH, WOOD SLAT ATTIC VENTS ARE LOCATED DIRECTLY BENEATH THE GABLE ROOF AND
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TWO SIDE BY SIDE.SINGLE HUNG SLASH WOOD WINDOWS SIT DIRECTLY BENEATH OR BELOW THE ATTIC VENTS.
THE SIDE FACING GABLE PORTION IS RECESSED BACK TWO FEET AND FEATURES TWO CENTERED SIDE BY SIDE SINGLE HUNG SASH WOOD WINDOWS.
THE NORTH SIDE ELEVATION FEATURES WOOD SLAT ATTIC VENTS BENEATH THE GABLE ROOF EAVES AND TWO CENTERED SIDE BY SIDE SINGLE HUNG SASH WOOD WINDOWS ON THE SECOND FLOOR WALL AND ONE OFF-CENTERED SINGLE HUNG SASH WOOD WINDOW ON THE FIRST FLOOR WALL.
THE PROPOSED EDITION CONTINUES THE USE OF ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES FROM THE EXISTING BUILDING'S CRAFTSMAN ARCHITECT ARCHITECTURAL STYLE.
THE ADDITION WILL INCORPORATE FIVE 12 AND FOUR 12 ROOF PITCH TO COMPLEMENT THE 4 5 12 ROOF SLOPE OF THE EXISTING DWELLING.
AND WE'LL USE SIMILAR COMPOSITE, UH, ROOF SHINGLES TO MATCH EXISTING MATERIALS.
THE ADDITION WAS SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO BE LOCATED AT THE REAR OF THE EXISTING DWELLING TO PRESERVE THE ORIGINAL SHAPE AND FORM OF THE DWELLING.
UH, AND, UM, TO HELP DISTINGUISH THE ORIGINAL DWELLING FROM THE NEW ADDITION, A VERTICAL TRIM BOARD WILL BE INSTALLED, UM, ALONG THE NORTH ELEVATION BETWEEN, UM, WHERE THE, UM, EXISTING HOME ENDS AND THE NEW ADDITION BEGINS.
THE NEW SECOND FLOOR WILL TOTAL, UH, 24 FEET, 11 INCHES IN HEIGHT.
THE CODE ALLOWS A MAXIMUM OF 25 FEET, WHICH IS MEASURED TO THE MIDPOINT OF THE ROOF.
THIS ADDITION IS WELL BELOW THE CODE THRESHOLD FOR HEIGHT.
THE SOUTH ELEVATION FEATURES A SINGLE HUNG SASH WOOD WINDOW ON THE SECOND FLOOR WALL AND A TRIPARTITE WINDOW ON THE FIRST FLOOR WALL.
THE REAR ELEVATION EXTERIOR WALL FEATURES A FRONT FACING GABLE ROOF THAT IS CANTILEVER TWO FEET BEYOND THE FIRST FLOOR EXTERIOR WALL.
A SINGLE HUNG WOOD WINDOW IS CENTERED UNDER THE GABLE ROOF ON THE SECOND FLOOR WALL, TWO SIDE-BY-SIDE CASEMENT WINDOWS AND ONE AWNING WINDOW ARE FEATURED IN THE LEFT PORTION OF THE SECOND FLOOR EXTERIOR WALL.
A SET OF FRENCH DOORS ARE FLANKED BY SINGLE HUNG SASH WOOD WINDOWS ON THE FIRST FLOOR, WHICH LEAD TO A RAISED PORCH, AS STATED IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, THE SECOND FLOOR EDITION WILL EXTEND SEVEN FEET, FOUR INCHES JUST HIGHER THAN THE 16 FOOT EIGHT INCHES HEIGHT OF THE ORIGINAL DWELLING.
AGAIN, THESE ELEVATIONS FEATURE SIMILAR EXTERIOR WOOD SIDING, MATCHING WOOD SURROUNDS LARGER OVERHANG, OVERHANGING ROOF EAVES, UM, THAT MATCH THE EXISTING DWELLING.
THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE INTERIOR LAYOUT OF THE HOME.
THE EXISTING HOME FEATURES A LIVING ROOM, KITCHEN, TWO BEDROOMS AND A BATHROOM.
THE GROUND FLOOR ADDITION WILL CREATE A DINING ROOM AND A NEW STAIR STAIRCASE THAT LEAD TO THE SECOND FLOOR.
THE SECOND FLOOR WILL CONSIST OF ONE BEDROOM AND ONE BATHROOM.
THE NEW 700 SQUARE FOOT GARAGE WILL BE LOCATED IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY.
THE NEW GARAGE WILL BE LOCATED ALONG THE REAR PROPERTY LINE AND WILL BE SET BACK APPROXIMATELY FOUR FEET FROM THE SIDE PROPERTY LINE.
THE NEW GARAGE MEASURES 20 FEET BY 34 FEET, FOUR INCHES IN LENGTH.
THE GARAGE IS 13 FEET, SEVEN INCHES IN TOTAL HEIGHT MEASURED TO THE HIGHEST GABLE PEAK.
THE INTERIOR OF THE GARAGE WILL PROVIDE THE REQUIRED PARKING FOR TWO VEHICLES SIDE BY SIDE AND A STORAGE ROOM WITH A HALF BATH.
THE NEW GARAGE WILL CONTINUE TO TAKE VEHICULAR ACCESS FROM GLADYS AVENUE.
THE GARAGE FEATURES A SINGLE FRONT FACING GABLE ROOF SYSTEM WITH A FIVE 12 ROOF SLOPE WITH OVERHANGING EXPOSED ROOF EAVES.
SIMILAR TO THE ORIGINAL GARAGE.
THE NEW GARAGE WILL FEATURE COMPOSITE ROOF MATERIAL, HOR, HORIZONTAL WOOD SIDING, WOOD WINDOWS, AND A 16 FOOT WIDE GARAGE DOOR.
CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL HAVE BEEN INCLUDED AS ATTACHMENT E IN YOUR PACKET.
CONDITIONS HAVE BEEN ADDED TO ENSURE THAT THE NEW WINDOWS ARE, WILL BE WOOD WINDOWS TO MATCH THE EXISTING ON THE HOUSE, AND REQUIRING THAT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, UH, BE ISSUED FOR THE REPAINTING OF THE DWELLING AND THE GARAGE.
IN ORDER FOR THE GRANTING OF A CER CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO BE GRANTED, FOUR FINDINGS NEED TO BE MET.
UH, ONE, THE PROJECT WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT ANY SIGNIFICANT HISTORICAL, CULTURAL, ARCHITECTURAL OR AESTHETIC FEATURE OF THE LANDMARK OR SUBJECT PROPERTY WITHIN THE LANDMARK DISTRICT.
AND THAT THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE SPIRIT AND INTENT OF THE CHAPTER.
THE PROJECT WILL REMEDY ANY CONDITION DETERMINED BY, UM, DETERMINED TO BE DANGEROUS OR UNSAFE BY THE FIRE MARSHAL.
THE PRO PROJECT WILL COMPLY WITH THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR THE TREATMENT OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES, AND THE PROJECT WILL COMPLY WITH THE DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR LANDMARK DISTRICTS FOR PROPERTY LOCATED WITHIN LANDMARK DISTRICT.
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D, POSITIVE FINDINGS HAVE BEEN DRAFTED TO SUPPORT COMPLIANCE WITH THE ABOVE FINDINGS.UM, NOTICING OF THE HEARING WAS COMPLETED IN ACCORDANCE WITH, UM, SECTION 21 POINT 21 OF THE MUNICIPAL CODE.
A TOTAL OF 327 NOTICES WERE DISTRIBUTED WITHIN, WITHIN A 300 FOOT RADIUS OF THE PROJECT SITE.
AT THIS TIME, NO PUBLIC COMMENTS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED IN RESPONSE TO THE REQUIRED NOTICING.
UM, TO THIS TIME, UH, STAFF APPRO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND THE ADOPTION OF THE PROPOSED FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL TO ALLOW THE DEMOLITION OF A SINGLE BUILDING CONSISTING OF A DETACHED GARAGE STORAGE ROOM, AND CONSTRUCTION OF A 369 SQUARE FOOT FIRST FLOOR EDITION CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW 503 SQUARE FOOT SECOND FLOOR EDITION LOCATED AT THE REAR OF THE SINGLE STORY RESIDENCE, AND A NEW DETACHED 700 SQUARE FOOT TWO CAR GARAGE.
THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I CAN ANSWER THEM AT THIS TIME.
ALSO, THE APPLICANT AND PROPERTY OWNER ARE IN THE AUDIENCE, AND THEY'RE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER PIZZA? YES, I DO.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION.
AND, UM, UH, MY FIRST QUESTION TO YOU WOULD BE, UM, IS THE METAL SCREEN DOOR AT THE FRONT, UM, PART OF ANY CONDITION OF BEING REMOVED? IT'S A INAPPROPRIATE METAL SCREEN DOOR THAT'S SHOWN ON THE FRONT PICTURE OF THE HOME.
UM, IT IS NOT INCLUDED AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, BUT IF IT'S, UM, SOMETHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD, WE COULD DO THAT.
I MEAN, IF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AGREE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT, UM, REMOVED.
'CAUSE IT'S INAPPROPRIATE, UM, TO THE HOUSE, AND IT'S THE MAIN FACADE OF THE HOUSE.
UM, ALSO, UM, I THINK YOU ANSWERED THIS, OR I THINK THE PRESENTATION DID CLARIFY.
THE TRASH ENCLOSURE AT THE BACK IS NOT SHOWN AND THE ELEVATIONS, I WAS WONDERING, IT'S JUST A FENCE, JUST AN ALCOVE FOR THE GARBAGE CANS, OR IS IT AN ENCLOSURE? I IT WASN'T IN THE PACKAGE WE HAD EARLIER, BUT I SEE THAT IT'S BEEN ADDED AS A SIX FOOT FENCE.
SO IT'S JUST A SIX FOOT FENCE GOING AROUND THE GARBAGE CANS.
WELL, THERE'S AN EXISTING FENCE AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY AT THE ALLEY.
UM, THEY'RE JUST ENCLOSING THE TRASH AREA WITHIN THE INTERIOR OF THEIR SITE.
AND YEAH, IT'S PROPOSED TO BE A SIX FOOT TALL FENCE.
UM, AND THEN I HAVE A COUPLE OTHER, UM, COMMENTS.
UM, ONE WOULD BE, HAS THERE BEEN, I KNOW IN THE CONDITIONS, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, GOING BACK TO THE, TO THE, UM, HISTORIC GUIDELINES FOR BLUFF HEIGHTS, UM, IT SAYS DUPLICATING FEATURES OF AN ORIGINAL CAN CREATE A FALSE SENSE OF HISTORY.
UM, IT ALSO DISCUSSES THE POTENTIAL OF CHANGING THE SIDING TO A DIFFERENT, UH, MORE NARROW HORIZONTAL WOOD SIDING.
I KNOW THIS HOME HAS A VERY NICE REPETITION OF A WIDE PLANK AND TOO SMALL.
HAS THERE BEEN ANY CONSIDERATION, OR IS THAT IN THE CONDITIONS TO CHANGE THE ADDITION? I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THE VERTICAL SEPARATION, UM, BUT I'M WONDERING IF THE SIDING IS CHANGING IN DIMENSION OR MAYBE IT ALTERNATES DIFFERENTLY ON THE ADDITION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO WE DID NOT ADD A CONDITION TO HAVE THE SITING A DIFFERENT WIDTH.
WE FELT THAT THE ADDITION BEING AT THE BACK OF THE, UH, OF THE HOUSE, AND THEN THE ADDITION ABOVE THAT WAS ENOUGH TO SHOW A DIFFERENTIATION.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S THE VERTICAL TRIM BOARD ALONG THE NORTH ELEVATION.
UM, SO WE DIDN'T FEEL THAT WE NEEDED TO SPECIFICALLY, UM, HAVE SIDING TO BE THAT DIFFERENT.
ALSO, EVEN TODAY, LIKE THE SIDING WILL LOOK A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BEING THAT IT'S NEWER MATERIAL COMPARED TO SIDING FROM 1916.
SO WE FEEL THAT THAT'S ENOUGH OF A, OF A VISUAL CHANGE.
THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.
AND THE LAST QUESTION, I'M SORRY, I'LL, I'LL MAKE IT, UH, I KNOW I'M TAKING UP A LOT OF TIME.
UM, THE SOUTH ELEVATION, THERE'S A, A NEW WINDOW BEING PROPOSED.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD BRING THAT UP.
UM, IT'S ESSENTIALLY, AGAIN, AND THIS GOES BACK TO THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES FROM BLUFF HEIGHTS.
I'M SEEING THAT, UM, COPYING EXISTING WINDOWS FROM THE ORIGINAL, AGAIN, COULD GIVE A FALSE SENSE OF HISTORY.
UM, AND SO I'M WONDERING IF, UH, THERE WE GO.
SO SOUTH SIDE ELEVATION IN THE RED SECTION, THE NEW TRIPLE, THE, ON THE FIRST FLOOR, THE THREE WINDOWS BASICALLY IMITATE AND MIMIC THE ORIGINAL OFF TO THE RIGHT SIDE,
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UH, OF THE HOME.AND I'M JUST WONDERING IF THOSE SHOULD BE DIFFERENTIATED SOMEHOW.
AND I'D WELCOME OTHER COMMISSIONERS TO CHIME IN ON THAT.
BUT, UM, AGAIN, I'M JUST SEEING THAT IT'S AN EXACT DUPLICATE OF THE ORIGINAL WINDOW, AND I THINK IT SHOULD PROBABLY BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
SO I'D LOVE TO HEAR OTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF FROM COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE? UH, COMMISSIONER GSFI, UM, COMMISSIONER PIZO, WE, WE HAVE THIS, I HAVE THIS CONVERSATION ONGOING WITH ALEJANDRO ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT CONSTITUTES, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE, THE DIFFERENCE.
AND I THINK IN ONE OF THE, I SAW IN THE REPORT THAT ANOTHER ITEM IN, IN ADDITION TO THE VERTICAL WAS THAT THEY HAVE A HORIZONTAL BAND BETWEEN THE FIRST FLOOR AND THE SECOND FLOOR.
SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS TWO OF THE THINGS, I THINK.
UM, BUT MY QUESTION IS, AND, AND SO YEAH, IT'S ALL, IT'S AN ONGOING CONVERSATION, I THINK EVERY, UH, WITH EVERY, EVERY PROJECT.
UH, MY QUESTION IS, UM, WHEN STAFF IS CONSIDERING A SECOND STORY EDITION, IS THERE A MINIMUM SETBACK DISTANCE THAT YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING FOR? AND WHAT IS THAT FROM? IS IT FROM THE STREET? IS IT, IS IT FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE? I MEAN, I, THIS, THIS APPEAR, YOU KNOW, IN, IN FRONT ELEVATION, IT LOOKS LIKE, LOOKS LIKE A TWO STORY, BUT IN REALITY YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE IT THAT WAY.
SO WHAT, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE CONSIDERATIONS? I, I'M CURIOUS.
UH, YEAH, I, I CAN PROBABLY WEIGH IN ON THAT.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, IT IS, UM, SORT OF A BALANCING SORT OF, UH, PRACTICE.
THERE'S AN ART TO THESE THINGS AS, AS, AS YOU KNOW.
BUT I THINK IN GENERAL PRACTICE, WE REALLY DO.
UH, ANYTIME YOU HAVE A, A SITUATION OR A CASE WHERE YOU HAVE A, A ONE STORY BUNGALOW OR ANY ONE STORY STRUCTURE, AND THERE'S A PROPOSED SECOND FLOOR, UH, WE DO TRY TO, UH, ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANTS, THE ARCHITECTS, DESIGNERS TO, UH, PUSH IT BACK BECAUSE THE FURTHER BACK YOU GO, THERE'S SORT OF A SCALE THING.
UH, SO THE FURTHER IT IS ON THE PROPERTY TOWARDS THE REAR, UH, YOU SEE LESS AND LESS OF IT.
UH, SO I THINK FOR US, THAT'S ONE OF THE PRACTICES THAT WE HAVE.
THERE'S NO SPECIFIC, UH, NUMBER OR SETBACK THAT WE HAVE.
UM, IT'S REALLY, UM, IT'S ONE OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, I HATE TO USE THE CLICHE, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A DESIGN THING.
YOU KNOW IT WHEN YOU SEE IT TYPE OF THING.
UH, BUT THIS IS REALLY SORT OF A, AN EXAMPLE OF THAT WHERE IT'S PUSHED BACK FAR ENOUGH.
UH, AND IT, IT MAKES SOME SENSE.
UH, BUT IN GENERAL, TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, THERE'S NO SPECIFIC NUMBERS, JUST DESIGN.
I WAS JUST GONNA ADD, WE CAN GET MORE INTO THE DISCUSSION, UM, AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT THE APPLICANT MAY ALSO WANNA SPEAK ON SOME OF THESE DESIGN DECISIONS.
YOU KNOW, AS WE WEIGH THE DIFFERENT, UM, SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S DIFFERENTIATION, BUT THERE'S ALSO COMPATIBILITY.
SO IT'S FINDING THAT RIGHT BLEND FOR EVERY PROJECT.
UM, AND THEN WITHOUT HAVING A HARD NUMBER, YOU KNOW, MAXIMIZING HOW FAR BACK IT'S SET, UM, FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY WHEN FEASIBLE.
UM, BUT MEETING WITH THOSE GUIDELINES.
UH, WE'LL NOW TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT FIRST.
THEY HAVEN'T HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT TO THE COMMISSION.
HELLO, MY NAME IS JEFF JEANETTE ARCHITECT, UH, JEANETTE ARCHITECTS, UM, COMMISSIONER IRVINE, OR, UM, CHAIR IRVINE COMMISSIONERS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HEARING THE PROJECT.
UH, GINA, THANK YOU FOR THE THOROUGH EXPLANATION AND SUMMARY OF THE PROJECT ITSELF.
IS THAT, YEAH, I GUESS MAYBE JUST SPEAK.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? IS THERE, RIGHT THERE.
UM, DO I NEED TO REPEAT ALL THAT OR ARE WE GOOD?
UM, BASICALLY, UH, THE, THE PROJECT SCOPE, UH, IS REMOVING THE EXISTING GARAGE THAT IS IN VERY BAD SHAPE.
YOU SAW SOME OF THE EXTERIOR IMAGES, THE INTERIOR IS SIGNIFICANTLY WORSE.
UH, AND I RECOGNIZE THE, UH, THE CONCERN FOR ADJUSTING GARAGES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
SO WE LOOKED VERY CAREFULLY AT THAT.
AND, UM, THE REPLACEMENT OF THE GARAGE IN THE BACK WAS SPECIFICALLY TO PROVIDE, UH, PARKING WITHIN THE, UH, THE GARAGE ITSELF, KEEP SOME OF THE PARKING OFFSITE OR OFF THE STREET.
UH, THE HOME ADDITION AND REMODELING THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT IS DESIGNED TO HELP A GROWING FAMILY.
UH, THE SECOND FLOOR WAS DECIDED UPON, UH, FOR THE MOST PART TO KEEP AS
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MUCH OF THE YARD AS WE POSSIBLY COULD, AND FROM A DETAILING STANDPOINT, UH, AS WELL AS OVERALL LOOK AND FEEL TO GIVE HOMAGE TO THE HOME, UH, AND UTILIZE SOME OF THE DETAILS THAT WERE THERE AND CREATE, UH, SECOND FLOOR THAT DOES BLEND IN WITH THE EXISTING HOME AS BEST WE CAN.ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY? THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER, GFI.
UM, SO I DON'T, I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT CONVINCED THAT OUR PURVIEW INCLUDES, UM, REMOVING THAT SECURITY DOOR, BUT IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE THE, THE CLIENT WOULD BE OPEN TO GLADLY.
ANYONE ELSE? COMMISSIONER PIZO.
THANK YOU FOR OFFERING THAT UP.
UM, HAS THERE BEEN ANY, UM, EXPLORATION ON THE DIFFERENCE, AS I HAD ASKED, UM, UM, PLANNER GINA, UH, THAT IF ON THE SIDING OR THE, UM, THE WINDOW, UH, BEING MIMICKED OFF THE ORIGINAL, I KNOW YOU'RE, FIRST OF ALL, IT'S A VERY BEAUTIFUL, I I MEAN, YOUR DRAWINGS ARE ABSOLUTELY LOVELY TO LOOK AT AND BEAUTIFUL.
SO I WANT TO COMPLIMENT YOU ON THAT.
IT'S, IT'S, THANK YOU, UM, A VERY NICE PACKAGE, UM, AND VERY SENSITIVE TO THE CRAFTSMAN STYLE OF THE ORIGINAL HOME, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.
UM, BUT I AM CURIOUS ABOUT THAT ONE WINDOW THAT'S A DIRECT COPY FROM THE, FROM THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE.
WITH THE, WITH THE WINDOW, UH, THE INTENT WAS CONSIDERING SIMILAR TO WHAT, UM, UH, MS. CASILLAS HAD MENTIONED IS THAT THE BUILDING THAT WE ARE WORKING ON PRIMARILY IS COMPLETELY SEPARATED BOTH VERTICALLY AND HORIZONTALLY, DEFINING WHAT IS NEW VERSUS WHAT IS OLD.
SO THE THOUGHT BEHIND THAT WAS TO BRING, UH, THE CHARACTER THAT WE'VE SEEN THROUGHOUT THE HOME INTO THE BACK WITH A NEW ADDITION, UH, RECOGNIZING THE FACT THAT IT IS DIFFERENTIATED PER THE SECRETARY OF INTERIORS TO THE EXTENT THAT, UH, THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.
SO EXPLAINING OR, UM, EXPLORING A DIFFERENT WINDOW THERE, WE DIDN'T DO, UH, IT WAS REALLY QUITE INTENT TO BRING SOMETHING FROM THE FRONT HOME TOWARD THE REAR SO THAT THERE WAS A CONSISTENCY IN DESIGN.
SO COMMISSIONER GFI ONE, ONE OTHER ITEM IS THE EV CHARGER.
THAT'S, UM, I GUESS THAT'S EXISTING, NOT SOMETHING NEW OR IS THAT NEW? THE EV CHARGER IS GONNA BE NEW OFF OF THAT NEW GARAGE TUCKED AROUND THE SIDE.
SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE IN THE LOCATION WHERE IT CURRENTLY SHOWS ON THE SITE PLAN? UM, THERE'S TWO, THERE'S ONE NEXT TO THIS ONE UP HERE.
OFF THE YELLOW? YEAH, OFF THE YELLOW.
UM, I IT'S EXISTING, ISN'T IT? YEAH, IT'S AN EXISTING CHARGER RIGHT THERE.
YEAH, THAT WOULD, WOULD YOU LIKE TO, I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT RELOCATED.
SO IT'S NOT SO VISIBLE FROM THE, THE STREET TOO.
WE'LL EXPLORE, UM, A WAY TO SHIELD IT FROM THE STREET.
YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE, I THINK THAT WOULD BE OKAY.
IF WE CAN'T RELOCATE IT FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER.
WE'VE GOT THE, UM, I THINK THERE'S A GATE GOING IN, BUT ESSENTIALLY WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE THAT DISAPPEAR FROM THE STREET.
AND I'LL WORK WITH THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD.
YEAH, YOU SEE THOSE AND WITH THE CORDS HANGING OVER THE CROSS AND YEAH, THAT'D BE GREAT.
COMMISSIONERS, ANYTHING? NO, THANK YOU MR. JEANETTE.
ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? STEP UP TO THE PODIUM, PLEASE.
GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONER AND CHAIR.
MY NAME IS DONNA SEAVERS AND I'M THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE BLUFF HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
AND AS YOU'VE HEARD THIS, UH, PROJECT AT 3 3 5, GLADYS IS WITHIN OUR BLUFF HEIGHTS HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD.
FOR FULL DISCLOSURE, THE OWNERS OF THIS HOME ARE RELATIVES OF MINE.
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FROM MEETING WITH JEANETTE ARCHITECTS REGARDING THIS REMODEL DURING THE PROCESS.AND I DID NOT DISCUSS IT WITH THE ARCHITECT OR MY TWO BOARD MEMBERS, STEVEN SUTTON AND KATHY BAZ, WHO DID MEET WITH THE ARCHITECTS ON BEHALF OF BLUFF HEIGHTS.
STEVEN AND KATHY WERE BOTH IMPRESSED WITH THE ATTENTION TO THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR GUIDELINES AND THE BLUFF HEIGHT HEIGHTS GUIDELINES.
THERE WERE ONE OR TWO MINOR DISCUSSION ITEMS WHICH WERE RESOLVED, AND MY TWO BOARD MEMBERS WERE IN AGREEMENT THAT THE BLUFF HEIGHTS HAD NO FURTHER CONCERNS IN THAT WE WOULD THEREFORE FULLY SUPPORT THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE CRAFTSMAN HOME AT 3 3 3 3 5.
IN ADDITION, VAL PFEIFFER, ONE OF OUR BLUFF HEIGHTS RESIDENTS AND A RETIRED ARCHITECT ALSO REVIEWED THE PLANS AND FOUND NO OBJECTIONS TO THE REMODELING PLANS.
SO ON BEHALF OF THE BLUFF HEIGHTS BOARD, WE HOPE THAT THIS HOME, UH, CAN MOVE FORWARD AND THAT THE OWNERS CAN RECEIVE THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND THAT THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD ON THEIR PROJECT.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? NOTHING.
COMMISSIONERS DISCUSSION? ANY DISCUSSION? UH, I BELIEVE I PROBABLY HAVE TO DO A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT FOR THE, FOR THE, UM, SCREEN DOOR AT THE FRONT OF THE, YES.
SO, UM, I GUESS YOU MADE THE ORIGINAL MOTION.
UM, YEAH, VICE CHAIR WAN ARE, IF YOU'RE IN ACCEPTANCE TO THAT, UM, AMENDMENT OF REMOVING THAT I AM.
SO THERE'S BEEN A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT POSITED FOR THE REMOVAL OF THE SCREEN DOOR, THE SECURITY DOOR.
UM, IT'S BEEN ACCEPTED BY OUR MAKER OF THE MOTION COMMISSIONER WAN, COMMISSIONER IRVINE AS THE SECONDER.
YOU ALSO YES, I SECOND ACCEPT THE FRIENDLY, YES, ACCEPT IT.
UH, COMMISSIONER GFI, I'D ALSO LIKE TO MAKE A SECOND FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO SCREEN THE, UH, EV CHARGER THAT'S LOCATED, UM, TOWARDS THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
AND, UH, FOR STAFF CLARIFICATION, COULD THAT BE EITHER, UM, POTENTIALLY A SCREENING OR RELOCATING? I, WE DO WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE PROVIDING THE MAXIMUM FLEXIBILITY FOR EV CHARGERS.
IT IS A REVERSIBLE, UH, FEATURE.
UM, AND I DO SEE THAT THEY HAVE THE NEW CHARGER PROPOSED AT THE GARAGE, SO PERHAPS STAFF COULD WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ON THAT.
WE DON'T WANNA OVERLY RESTRICT RIGHT.
E CHARGING IF AT ALL POSSIBLE FOR CLIMATE REASONS.
YES, I'M OPEN TO EITHER OF THOSE SOLUTIONS REMOVING IT OR SCREENING IT OR RELOCATING IT OR SCREENING IT.
AND I ACCEPT THAT SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
SO FOR CLARITY, IT'S UH, JUST A FRIENDLY TO THE MOTION WE HAVE ON THE TABLE.
UM, AND THAT IS TO ALLOW OR TO INCLUDE AS A CONDITION THE SCREENING OR RELOCATION OF THE EXISTING EV CHARGER.
UM, IT'S BEEN ACCEPTED BY THE MAKER OF THE MOTION COMMISSIONER WAN, AND I ALSO ACCEPT IT.
AND IT'S BEEN ACCEPTED BY OUR, OUR SECONDER ON THE MOTION.
UM, SO SHOULD I READ, SHOULD I READ THE WHOLE THING? NO.
DO I JUST DISCUSS? IF THERE'S NO MORE DISCUSSION, WE CAN MOVE TO A VOTE DISCUSSION.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE CLARITY ON WHAT YOU IS CURRENTLY IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION, I'M HAPPY TO PROVIDE IT.
MAY WE HAVE THE NEXT ITEM, PLEASE? ITEM FOUR IS APPROVE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND ADOPT THE PROPOSED FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THERETO TO CONSTRUCT A NEW ONE STORY 159 SQUARE FOOT EDITION AND A NEW 653 SQUARE FOOT SECOND STORY EDITION, AND, AND A ONE STORY 10 SQUARE FOOT DEMOLITION TO AN EXISTING RESIDENCE, SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 29 20 EAST VISTA STREET WITHIN THE R TWO A ZONING DISTRICT, AND IS A CONTRIBUTOR TO THE BLUFF HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT DISTRICT TWO.
WE HAVE A MOTION ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE.
I MOVE TO APPROVE THE RECOMMENDATION.
AND COMMISSIONER HUNTER, I SECOND.
DO WE HAVE A PRESENTATION, PLEASE? YES.
OH, NO, I WAS JUST GONNA MAKE ONE QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT.
UM, WE ARE RECORDING TONIGHT'S
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MEETING THAT WE WOULD TYPICALLY HAVE, UH, UPLOADED TO THE CITY'S WEBSITE.UM, SO WE'RE JUST NOT USED TO THESE MICROPHONES, BUT, UH, I THINK FOR A COUPLE OF YOU WE'RE NOT TOTALLY HEARING YOU IN THE BACK.
UH, SO IF YOU COULD JUST SPEAK A LITTLE BIT MORE CLOSELY, UH, INTO THE MICROPHONE OR JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE LOUDLY, WE'D, WE'D APPRECIATE IT FOR THE VIDEO.
AND, UH, FOR TONIGHT'S PRESENTATION ON 29 20 VISTA, UH, CIO TORRES CAMPOS, UH, WE'LL MAKE THE PRESENTATION.
GOOD EVENING, CHAIR VICER AND FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS HIGHLIGHTED IN RED AND LOCATED ON EAST VISTA STREET BETWEEN TEMPLE AVENUE AND AABA AVENUE WITHIN THE R TWO, A SEWING DISTRICT, WHICH IS A TWO FAMILY RESIDENTIAL SEWING DISTRICT.
THE PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY 6,300 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE AND WAS DEVELOPED IN 1920 WITH A ONE STORY 1,293 SQUARE FOOT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE AND THE GARAGE IN A CRAFTSMAN ARCHITECTURAL STYLE.
THE ORIGINAL GARAGE WAS DEMOLISHED AND REBUILT IN 2003.
THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE WITHIN THE BLUFF HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE SCOPE OF WORK INCLUDES A CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW ONE STORY, 159 SQUARE FOOT EDITION, AND A NEW 653 SQUARE FOOT.
SECOND STORY ADDITION, AND A ONE STORY 10 SQUARE FOOT DEMOLITION TO THE EXISTING RESIDENCE ON THE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THESE ARE THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE MAIN RESIDENCE FROM THE FRONT.
THE EXTERIOR OF THE EXISTING RESIDENCE IS DEFINED BY HORIZONTAL WOOD SIDING, WOOD WINDOW TRIMS, EXPOSED RAFTER TAILS, DECORATIVE VENTS, EXPOSED FASCIA BOARD PITCH GABLE ROOF OF SIX 12, A HEIGHT OF 18 FEET AND ONE INCH TO THE PEAK, AND A HEIGHT OF 14 FEET AND ONE INCH TO THE MIDPOINT.
AND AN EXTERIOR RAISED OPEN PORCH WITH BRICK STEPS AND A FRONT GABLE ENTRY SUPPORTED BY TWO ROUND CLASSICAL POSTS.
THE EXISTING RESIDENCE IS WELL PRESERVED AND RETAINS MOST OF ITS ORIGINAL FEATURES.
UH, THESE ARE THE EXISTING CONDITIONS ON THE REAR OF THE MAIN RESIDENCE, WHICH ALSO INCLUDES WOOD WINDOWS, UH, WOOD DOORS, WOOD SIDING, GABLE ROOF ELEMENTS, UH, VANS, UM, AND KEEPING WITH THE CRAFTSMAN ARCHITECTURAL STYLE.
THE EXISTING GARAGE ALSO INCLUDES A GABLE ROOF, WOOD SIDING, AND WOOD WINDOWS.
UH, NO INTERIOR OR EXTERIOR CHANGES ARE PROPOSED TO THE EXISTING GARAGE, WHICH WAS BUILT IN 2003.
UH, THE PROPOSED PROJECT MEETS ALL THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OF THE ARTWAY, SO DISTRICT, WHICH INCLUDES SETBACKS, LOCK COVERAGE, PARKING, US OF OPEN SPACE AND HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS TO, TO DELINEATE EXISTING FROM ORIGINAL O ADDITION AREAS, ALSO HAVE A GREATER SIDE AND FRONT SETBACK THAN EXISTING.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED SIDE PLAN.
HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE ARE THE PROPOSED FIRST FLOOR ADDITION AREAS, WHICH EQUAL A TOTAL OF 159 SQUARE FEET.
THE SECOND STORY EDITION IS HIGHLIGHTED IN RED AND TOTAL 653 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE.
ALL ADDITION AREAS, INCLUDING THE SMALL SIDE 10 SQUARE FOOT DEMOLITION AREA, WHICH IS HIGHLIGHTED IN PURPLE, ARE SETBACK 40 FEET OR GREATER FROM THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE, OR OTHER SIZE.
SETBACKS ARE GREATER THAN EXISTING AND MEET ALL OF OUR CITY'S REQUIREMENTS.
THAT REAR SETBACKS ARE 66 FEET.
UH, THIS IS THE FIRST FLOOR PLAN.
THE ADDITION AREAS ARE HIGHLIGHTED IN RED AND TOTAL 159 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE.
THE ADDITION AREAS ARE USED TO EXPAND THE MASTER BEDROOM BY ADDING A FULL BATHROOM, INCREASING THE EXISTING KITCHEN AREA, AND ADDING INTERIOR STAIRS THAT WOULD LEAD TO THE PROPOSED SECOND FLOOR.
THE FIRST FLOOR ADDITIONS ARE MAINLY TOWARDS THE REAR OF THE EXISTING MAIN RESIDENCE AND FULLY SCREEN FROM VIEW.
THE PROPOSED WILL ALSO HAVE FIVE NEW WOOD WINDOWS, WHICH WILL, WITH WOOD TRIMS, UM, TO MATCH EXISTING AND WILL CONSIST OF TWO NEW AWNING WINDOWS AND THREE NEW CASEMENT WINDOWS.
THE PROPOSED 653 SQUARE FOOT SECOND STORY ADDITION WILL ALSO BE OVER 45 FEET AWAY FROM THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE AND CONSISTS OF TWO NEW BEDROOMS, A NEW DEN AREA, A FULL BATHROOM.
THE NEW SECOND STORY ADDITION WILL ALSO BE SET BACK APPROXIMATELY 31 FEET FROM THE FACE OF THE FRONT PORCH.
THE SECOND STORY WILL HAVE 16 WOOD WINDOWS, WHICH CONSIST OF CASE MEN FIX AWNING AND SINGLE HUNG TYPES,
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OR WILL BE TRIMMED TO MATCH EXISTING.AND IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE CRAFTSMAN STYLE GUIDE AND THE BLOB HEIGHT HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THIS IS THE EXISTING NORTH ELEVATION, UH, FOR THE ONE STORY RESIDENCE.
AND THIS IS, AND, UM, NO, THIS IS THE PROPOSED ONE.
UH, THIS SLIDE DOESN'T SHOW THE, THE, UH, EXISTING, WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY IN THE POWERPOINT.
UH, SO THIS IS THE PROPOSED, UH, FRONT ELEVATION.
UH, THE EXISTING HEIGHT OF THE, UH, MAIN RESIDENCE IS 14 FEET, ONE INCH ON THE FRONT, AND THE PROPOSED SECOND STORY ADDITION HEIGHT IS 22 FEET AND NINE INCHES TO THE MIDPOINT OF THE ROOF, UH, WHERE THE COAT ALLOWS 25 FEET.
AND THIS IS THE PROPOSED WEST ELEVATION.
THE APPLICANT IS PROVIDING HORIZONTAL WOOD SIDING, WOOD WINDOW TRIMS TO MATCH EXISTING RAFTER TAILS AND AN ASPHALT SHINGLE GABLE ROOF TO MATCH EXISTING.
UH, THIS IS THE PROPOSED EAST ELEVATION ON THE SIDE FACING THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY.
THE NEW SECOND STORY IS SET BACK APPROXIMATELY 31 FEET FROM THE FACE OF THE EXISTING PORCH TO HELP FURTHER DELINEATE ORIGINAL FROM NEW AND TO PRESERVE THE EXISTING FRONT PORTIONS OF THE RESIDENCE.
UH, THIS IS THE REAR ELEVATION, AND AGAIN, THE PROPOSED PROVIDES MATERIALS AND TYPES OF WINDOWS THAT MATCH EXISTING AND WHICH ARE CONSISTENT WITH OUR CRAFTSMAN STYLE GUIDE AND THE BLUFF HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AS DESIGNED, THE PROPOSED PROJECT WILL MAINTAIN AN APPROPRIATE SCALE WITH THE CONTEXT OF THE BLUFF HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT AND CONTEXT OF THE BLOCK, WHICH CONSISTS PRIMARILY OF ONE STORY RESIDENCES IN A CRAFTSMAN SPANISH COLONIAL REVIVAL, AND MINIMAL TRADITIONAL STYLES.
THE PROPOSED WILL RESULT IN A TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, WHERE THE BLOCK ALREADY INCLUDES OTHER TWO STORY RESIDENCES.
GIVEN THIS CONTEXT, THE PROPOSED IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
FURTHERMORE, THE PROPOSED WILL MATCH THE EXISTING HOME IN BOTH COLOR AND BUILDING MATERIALS, AND WILL INCORPORATE SIMILAR ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES.
WHILE THE NEW HEIGHT AND NEW MATERIALS WILL DELINEATE ORIGINAL FROM NEW AND NOT CREATE A FALSE SENSE OF HISTORY.
UH, PUBLIC NOTICES WERE MAILED OUT AS OF THIS DAY.
TWO FORMAL LETTERS WERE RECEIVED VIA EMAIL, UH, FROM THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORS.
IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT AS PROPOSED AND CONDITIONED, THE PROPOSED PROJECT WILL NOT DETRACT FROM THE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD OR THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE EXISTING BUILDINGS ON SITE.
THE PROPOSED WILL BE CONSISTENT AND IN FULL COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY'S RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR THE R TWO, A SONY DISTRICT, THE BLUFF HEIST, HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINES, SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, THE BLUFF HEIST, HISTORIC DISTRICT ORDINANCE, AND THE CRAFTSMAN STYLE GUIDE, AND THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FINDINGS WITH THE AFFIRMATION FINDINGS, WHICH ARE O AND D.
AFFIRMATIVE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS REQUESTS SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, WHICH ARE IN THE PACKET.
UH, THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION.
THE APPLICANT IS ALSO AVAILABLE FOR NEW QUESTIONS.
THE APPLICANT ON BEHALF OF THE OWNERS IS JEFF JEANETTE.
UH, I BELIEVE STEPHANIE HEARING MIGHT BE HERE.
UM, AND ALSO THE OWNER'S, CASEY AND HARRISON KEM.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, COMMISSIONERS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO, I DO.
UM, QUICK QUESTION, IS THE 25 FOOT CODE HEIGHT REQUIREMENT TO THE MIDPOINT OF THE ROOF OR TO THE TOP? IT'S TO THE MID, CORRECT.
UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTION.
UM, COMMISSIONER, IT WOULD BE TO THE MIDPOINT OF THE ROOF.
COMMISSIONERS, YOU HAVE SOMETHING.
COMMISSIONER BODAK, I JUST WANNA COMPLIMENT YOU ON A CRAZY ROOF DESIGN
IF COMMISSIONERS HAVE NOTHING FURTHER FOR STAFF, UH, WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME FORWARD? PLEASE? GOOD EVENING AGAIN,
UH, MY NAME IS JEFF JEANETTE, LEAD ARCHITECT FOR THE PROJECT, JEANETTE ARCHITECTS.
UM, THANK YOU ALL FOR HEARING THIS PROJECT AND AGAIN, REFU YOU.
I REALLY APPRECIATE THE, THE THOROUGHNESS AND THOUGHT THAT WENT INTO IT.
UM, LIKE THE ONE BEFORE, THIS IS, UH, A GROWING FAMILY, UM, VERY GROWING
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WE'RE LOOKING TO DO WITH THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE OTHER.WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP AS MUCH OF THE PROPERTY OUTDOOR SPACE AS WE POSSIBLY CAN WITH THE KIDS, YOUNG KIDS.
UH, THE BACKYARD IS, IS USED VERY HEAVILY.
SO THE IDEA OF EXTENDING TOO FAR INTO THE BACKYARD WAS, UH, WAS REVIEWED AND CONSIDERED, AND FOR THE MOST PART, WE ALL DECIDED TO GO SECOND FLOOR.
UM, UM, THE HOME ITSELF, UH, IS A VERY, VERY BEAUTIFUL HOME.
UH, ONE OF THE FEATURES ON THE INTERIOR THAT WE ARE PLANNING TO DO IS REMOVE THE, UH, DINING ROOM CABINET, THE CLASSIC CRAFTSMAN DINING ROOM CABINET, AND MOVE THAT UP INTO ITS OWN VERY SPECIAL SPOT AT THE TOP OF THE STAIR.
UH, THE IDEA IS THAT, UH, WE WANTED TO HANG ON TO SOME OF THESE ELEMENTS THAT WE POSSIBLY COULD AND MOVE THEM THROUGHOUT THE HOME AND REUSE THEM, GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITIES.
UH, WE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH STAFF, UH, RE FU HE, UH, TO DEVELOP A DESIGN AND THE PRESENTATION TO THE STREET THAT WOULD, UM, CONTINUE TO KEEP AS MUCH OF THE EXISTING CHARACTERISTICS OF THE HOME.
UH, ONE VERY SPECIFICALLY THAT, UM, COMMISSIONER BODAK MENTIONED ASSOCIATED WITH THE ROOF CONDITION, UM, WASN'T OUR FIRST CHOICE, BUT WHEN WE REALLY STARTED TO DIG INTO IT, WE SAW, UH, AND, AND TEAMED UP TO DO EVERYTHING WE POSSIBLY COULD TO KEEP THESE PRECIOUS ELEMENTS OF THE EXISTING HOME AND TO NOT TAKE THEM DOWN.
SO IN THIS INSTANCE, UH, WE LOOKED VERY CLOSELY IN THE FIRST FEW SLIDES THAT YOU SAW WERE PERSPECTIVE DIRECTIONS, LOOKING AT THE HOME FROM ALL ALONG THE STREET TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT CRAZY ROOF, UH, WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE IN YOUR FACE BY ANY MEANS.
SO WE LOOKED, UH, AT DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND HOW BEST TO ADDRESS THOSE CONSIDERATIONS.
AND THAT WAS, UH, UH, UH, VERY MUCH, UH, APPRECIATED FROM, UH, MR. COMPOST IN, IN WORKING QUITE TIGHTLY WITH US ON THAT.
UM, THE, THE ROOF HEIGHT WAS MENTIONED.
WE ARE ABOUT TWO AND A HALF FEET LOWER THAN THE MAX.
UH, A LOT OF THAT COMES INTO THE NEED AND DESIRE FOR THE PROPORTIONS OF THE SECOND FLOOR WHILE IT'S TUCKED BACK.
AND, AND THIS ELEVATION IS NOT A VIEW THAT YOU'LL EVER PHYSICALLY SEE.
UH, WE REALLY WANTED TO TRY TO KEEP IT AS STREAMLINED AND, AND DOWN INTO THE HOME AS WE POSSIBLY COULD, UH, USING VAULTED CEILINGS ON THE INTERIOR INSTEAD OF RAISING, UH, NINE FOOT CEILINGS AND THINGS.
SO WE KEPT IT AS TIGHT AS WE POSSIBLY COULD TOWARD THE BACK OF THE, UH, THE EXISTING STRUCTURE AND DOING OUR BEST TO REALLY PAY HOMAGE TO THE EXISTING HOME.
ANY QUESTIONS? I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER COMMISSIONERS, ANYTHING? NO.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? THANK YOU.
GOOD EVENING, CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS.
MY NAME IS DONNA SEAVERS, AND I'M THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE BLUFF HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
WHEN I MET WITH THE JEANETTE ARCHITECTS ON ZOOM CALL ON JUNE 1ST, 2023, REGARDING THE 29 20 EAST VISTA PROJECT, I WAS SERVING AS THE PRESIDENT OF BLUFF HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
WHEN WE MET, I MADE SEVERAL COMMENTS REGARDING OUR CONCERNS WITH RESPECT TO THIS REMODEL, INCLUDING THE FACT THAT THE ORIGINAL GABLE WAS GOING TO BE RELOCATED AND THAT 33 FEET OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE WAS GOING TO BE REMOVED TO ACCOMMODATE THE STRAIGHTENING OF THE DRIVEWAY.
SUBSEQUENTLY, THE ARCHITECTS MET WITH MR. TORRES COMPOST AND REVISIONS WERE MADE TO THE PROJECT.
IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING AND CONFIRMED TODAY THAT ONLY 10 FEET OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE WILL NOW BE REMOVED TO STRAIGHTEN THE DRIVEWAY TO THE GARAGE.
AND I ALSO KNOW THAT IT IS ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE AND WON'T BE VERY VISIBLE FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
IN ADDITION, THE ORIGINAL GABLE WILL NOT BE REMOVED, NOR RELOCATED.
MR. TORRES COMPOST EXPLAINED TO ME THAT THERE WERE OTHER CHANGES TO THE WINDOW DESIGN, AND THAT THE ADDITION HAS BEEN SET BACK BY EIGHT FEET, AMONG OTHER CHANGES TO THE DESIGN AND THE PLANS THAT HAVE OCCURRED SINCE I FIRST REVIEWED IT.
I WOULD LIKE TO THANK MR. TORRES COMPOST FOR ASSISTING ME WITH UNDERSTANDING THESE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE SUBSEQUENT TO THE JUNE 1ST MEETING.
AND I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS HOME IS NOT A LANDMARK STRUCTURE, AND THAT IT DOES HAVE THE CITY'S RECOMMENDATION FOR, UH, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AS A RESULT OF THESE CHANGES THAT
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HAVE BEEN MADE.UH, AND SINCE THE HOUSE IS NOT A LANDMARK HOUSE, NOR SUBJECT TO ANY STRICTER GUIDELINES, THE BLUFF HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOODS ASSOCIATION CAN NOW FULLY SUPPORT THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE STAFF TO GRANT THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
SO, ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD, IT IS MY HOPE THAT THE OWNERS OF THE VISTA HOME CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THEIR PLANS.
WOULD ANYONE ELSE IN THE PUBLIC LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE.
CAN WE HAVE A VOTE, PLEASE? SORRY, DO YOU WANNA TAKE THAT BACK FOR CONVERSATION BEHIND THE BAR? OH, SORRY.
MAY WE HAVE THE NEXT ITEM, PLEASE.
ITEM FIVE IS RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND ADOPT THE PROPOSED FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THERETO TO CONSTRUCT A NEW ONE STORY SUB, EXCUSE ME, 478 SQUARE FOOT EDITION TO SIDE AND REAR OF THE EXISTING RESIDENCE, SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 36 18 ROSE AVENUE, WITHIN THE R ONE N ZONING DISTRICT, AND IS A CONTRIBUTOR TO THE CALIFORNIA HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT DISTRICT FIVE.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE? I WILL MAKE THE MOTION.
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PRESENTATION FROM THE STAFF AVAILABLE.
UM, ALEJANDRO PLACENCIA WILL BE PROVIDING THE PRESENTATION ON THIS ITEM.
UM, HERE TONIGHT TO, UH, MAKE A PRESENTATION FOR THE CASE AT 36 18 ROSE AVENUE.
UH, THIS IS A VICINITY MAP, UH, GIVING YOU THE GENERAL AREA WHERE THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED.
UH, IT'S JUST LOCATED JUST NORTH OF 36TH STREET.
AND, UH, TO THE VERY TOP THERE IS, UH, 37TH STREET.
SO IT'S ON THE VERY EAST END OF THE DISTRICT.
UM, A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, BACKGROUND REGARDING THE PROPERTY AND THE PROPERTY DETAILS HERE.
IT'S, UH, 5,700 SQUARE FOOT, UH, LOT SIZE.
UH, THE REQUEST IS FOR A ONE STORY 478 SQUARE FOOT, UM, ADDITION TO THE SINGLE FAMILY.
SORRY ABOUT THAT BULLET THERE.
UH, LIKE I SAID, IT'S IN THE CALIFORNIA HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UH, THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE IS A MINIMAL TRADITIONAL FOR THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING.
UH, IT IS LOCATED WITHIN THE R ONE AND, UH, SINGLE FAMILY ZONE.
UH, SPECIFICALLY THAT, UH, PROJECT SCOPE.
IT'S, UH, A REQUEST TO DO A, UH, ONE STORY ADDITION TO, TO THE EXISTING ONE STORY SINGLE FAMILY.
UM, THE MAJORITY OF THE ADDITION WILL BE TOWARDS THE REAR OF THE BUILDING, UH, AND GETS WITHIN ABOUT THREE FEET TO THE GARAGE, UH, AND THEN IS ABOUT FOUR FEET AWAY FROM THE SIDE PROPERTY LINE.
SO IT EXTENDS BACKWARDS AND TOWARDS THE SIDE.
I'LL SHOW YOU SOME OF THE PHOTOGRAPHS FROM THE EXISTING CONDITIONS ON THE SITE.
CURRENTLY, UH, THIS, THESE ARE PHOTOS OF THE SINGLE FAMILY.
UH, YOU CAN TELL HERE, UM, ONE OF THE SORT OF UNIQUE PARTS OF THIS BUILDING HERE.
AND, UH, WE DON'T ALWAYS SEE THIS AS A MINIMAL TRADITIONAL, UH, BUILDING.
YOU DO TYPICALLY SEE SORT OF A CROSS GABLE HERE.
UM, AND THAT IS A COMMON FEATURE HERE.
I THINK WHAT'S UNIQUE ABOUT THIS ONE, AND PROBABLY ITS CHARACTER DEFINING OR PROMINENT CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURE, IS JUST THE FACT THAT THE LIVING ROOM EXTENDS OUT, UH, QUITE AS MUCH AS IT DOES.
I THINK WE AS STAFF HAD A QUESTION WHETHER OR NOT THAT WAS AN ADDITION.
UH, BUT WE WERE ABLE TO DOCUMENT, UH, USING VERY OLD PHOTOGRAPH AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHS, UH, THAT THAT IS PART OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE.
UH, IT LINES UP WITH THE EXISTING SETBACKS OUT THERE.
SO WE ARE ABLE TO CONFIRM THAT THAT IS, UH, ALL PART OF THE ORIGINAL BUILDING, UH, DESPITE LOOKING LIKE IT COULD BE A POSSIBLE ADDITION.
UM, SO GOING BACK TO THE EXISTING PHOTOS HERE, UH, THESE ARE PHOTOS ALONG THE SIDE ELEVATION.
THAT'S THAT PROMINENT PROTRUSION THERE OF THE LIVING ROOM, UH, THAT EXTENDS INTO THE FRONT YARD.
UH, AND THERE IS SOME EQUIPMENT
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OUT THERE.YOU'LL NOTICE, UH, THERE WAS, UH, AN EARLY DEMOLITION THAT STARTED HERE.
SO THAT'S PART OF THE WORK THAT YOU SEE, UH, OUT THERE CURRENTLY.
UH, THIS IS THE, THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN HERE.
UH, SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE THAT PROTRUSION EXTENDS OUT OF THE LIVING ROOM AND WHERE THE PROPOSED ADDITION IS AT IN THE GRAY AREA THERE.
UH, THIS IS THE EXISTING FLOOR PLAN AS IT'S, AS IT SITS CURRENTLY.
UH, SO THE LIVING ROOM RIGHT UP FRONT, UH, THERE IS A PORCH.
UH, IT'S SORT OF A MORE ORIENTED AND A RECTANGLE WITH A DOOR ALONG THE SIDE.
UH, IT'S A THREE BEDROOM, UH, BUILDING, UH, KITCHEN AND DINING ROOM, UH, OFF TO ONE SIDE.
UH, SO WITHIN THE REMODEL, THE PROPOSAL IS TO KIND OF ESSENTIALLY FLIP THIS FLOOR PLAN, UH, TO WHERE THE LIVING AREA GOES ALONG THE DRIVEWAY SIDE AS PART OF THIS PROJECT AS WELL.
UH, THE GARAGE WILL, EXCUSE ME, THE GARAGE DOOR, WHICH CURRENTLY FACES THE STREET, UH, WILL BE RELOCATED TO THE BACK OF THE GARAGE.
UH, THERE'S AN ALLEY BACK THERE, SO THEY'LL BE ABLE TO TAKE ACCESS, UH, FROM FROM THE ALLEY.
UH, SO SPEAKING OF THE NEO FLOOR PLAN HERE, WE SEE IT HERE.
SO EVERYTHING KIND OF JUST CHANGES UP ON THE INTERIOR, UH, BEDROOMS UP TOWARDS THE TOP THERE.
UH, FAMILY ROOM AND, UM, COMMUNAL LIVING AREA.
UM, ALL STAYS ON SORT OF THE BOTTOM OF THAT, UM, DRAWING THERE.
UM, HERE, THIS IS THE, UH, FRONT ELEVATION HERE.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A, UM, LASER POINTER HERE, BUT, UH, YOU'LL SEE THE EXISTING ELEVATION DRAWING, UH, UP AT THE TOP IN THE PROPOSED, UH, SOUTH ELEVATION THERE AT THE BOTTOM.
AND, UH, WHAT YOU'LL SEE THERE IS THIS WHERE THE DR, WHERE THE, UH, DIMENSION NUMBER IS AT.
UH, IT'S ABOUT 14 FEET IN OVERALL HEIGHT.
UH, SO IT WON'T GO ANY LAR TALLER, UH, THAN THE EXISTING STRUCTURE ITSELF.
UH, WHERE THERE IS A NOTE THERE THAT SAYS, UH, STUCCO LACE FINISHED TO MATCH.
THAT'S THE ADDITION, UH, RIGHT THERE.
UH, SO THAT'S THE PART THAT'S EXTENDING OUT INTO THE DRIVEWAY.
SO THAT IS A, UH, THE EXTENT OF HOW MUCH YOU'LL SEE, UM, ON THE ADDITION THAT'S EXTENDING INTO THAT AREA.
UH, SO HERE WE HAVE, UH, TWO OF THE EXISTING SIDE ELEVATIONS HERE, UH, EXISTING AT THE TOP, PROPOSED AT THE BOTTOM.
UM, YOU'LL SEE THIS PORTION HERE OR EXTENDS OUT, JUST, UH, I THINK THAT'S 15 FEET.
SORRY, I GOTTA TURN OFF, GET MY GLASSES OFF FOR THAT ONE.
UM, SO HERE IS THE OTHER SIDE OF THE, UH, BUILDING WITH THE PROPOSED ADDITION.
UH, THIS IS A PART ALONG THE DRIVEWAY HERE.
SO THIS IS WHERE YOU SEE MOST OF THE, UM, ADDITION HERE.
UH, THERE'S HUNG WINDOWS, A COUPLE OF AWNING WINDOWS.
UH, THE SHINGLES WILL MATCH, UM, AND YOU SEE, UH, THAT IT EXTENDS TOWARDS THE REAR THERE.
UM, THE ADDITION IS SET BACK OF A DISTANCE OF ABOUT 54 FEET FROM THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE.
UH, THIS IS THE, UH, REAR ELEVATION HERE.
UH, SO YOU'LL SEE PART OF THE ADDITION, UH, OUTLINED THERE ON THE BOTTOM.
UH, YOU CAN SEE WHERE IT SAYS NEW ADDITION, AND IT GIVES A DIMENSION NUMBER.
SO THAT'S THE PART THAT EXTENDS OUT CLOSEST, UH, TO THE GARAGE.
AND YOU, AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THE HEIGHT, UH, IS LOWER THAN THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.
UH, SO THIS IS A QUICK PRESENTATION, UH, BUT WE DO WANNA POINT OUT THAT THIS IS, UH, IN COMPLIANCE WITH, UH, ALL OF THE DIFFERENT APPLICABLE REQUIREMENTS HERE.
UH, THE GUIDELINES, THE DISTRICT GUIDELINES, ZONING CODE, AND THE MINIMAL TRADITIONAL STYLE.
I THINK MAYBE THE ONLY SORT OF SEPARATE THING TO ADD HERE IS, IS THAT THERE ARE, UM, THREE, UH, SPECIAL CONDITIONS THAT WE ARE, UM, RECOMMENDING TO THE COMMISSION, UH, AS PART OF THE APPROVAL, UH, ONE TO INSTALL A GATE, UH, AT THE DRIVEWAY, UH, WHERE THE DR WHERE THE HOUSE, UH, MEETS THE DRIVEWAY.
UM, WE ARE ALSO RECOMMENDING, UH, STUCCO, UH, WHICH IS CURRENTLY LACE STUCCO, A HEAVY STUCCO.
SO, UH, PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT WAS MAYBE DONE IN THE SEVENTIES, POSSIBLY THE EIGHTIES, UH, TO SOMETHING JUST THAT'S A LITTLE BIT SMOOTHER FOR THE WHOLE HOUSE.
UH, AND THE LAST CONDITION THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING, UH, AS PART OF THE RESTORATION EFFORT HERE IS, IS TO, UH, ALSO INSTALL WOOD WINDOWS AS PART OF THIS PROJECT HERE.
SO, UH, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT EACH TIME WE HAVE ONE OF THESE, UH, PROJECTS COME FORWARD, THAT THERE IS SOME SORT OF RESTORATION COMPONENT.
UH, WE FEEL THAT THAT HELPS, UH, IMPROVE ITS COMPATIBILITY WITHIN THE DISTRICT.
UH, AND SO THAT'S THE REASON FOR, FOR THOSE, UM, RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.
UH, WITH THAT, UM, THAT CONCLUDES, UH, STAFF'S PRESENTATION, UH, AS A RECOMMENDATION, SHARE SLIDES AS A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVAL, UH, WITH THOSE CONDITIONS.
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UP FOR QUESTIONS.ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME? YES.
UM, ALEJANDRO, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
UH, IS THE, UH, CONTRACTOR HERE? YES.
UH, COULD I ASK A QUESTION? ALEJANDRO, DID WORK START WITHOUT A PERMIT? UH, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE CONCLUDED, THAT IT'S, UH, THAT THE WORK HAS STARTED WITHOUT A PERMIT.
AND IS THE, DOES THE CONTRACTOR HAVE A BUSINESS LICENSE WITH THE CITY OF LONG BEACH? I BELIEVE HE DOES, BUT WE HAVEN'T CONFIRMED IT.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, PERMITS ARE NEEDED WITHIN THE CITY OF LONG BEACH, AND, UH, IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT, UH, YOUR PROJECT OR YOUR CLIENT'S PROJECT HAD TO GET STOPPED, UM, BECAUSE A PERMIT WAS NOT ISSUED WHEN IT SHOULD HAVE.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THE 50% DEMOLITION RULE IS IN EFFECT STILL.
IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT.
SO, YOU KNOW, UH, WHAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE DEMOLISHED AND WHAT IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE DEMOLISHED IN INSIDE, CORRECT? UH, CORRECT.
UM, WHAT WE'LL DO IS, IS WE CAN ALSO FOLLOW UP WITH A MORE DETAILED, UM, AND CALCULATE, UH, DETAILED DEMO PLAN ALONG WITH CA UH, CALCULATIONS TO SHOW THE PERCENTAGES.
UH, THIS IS COMMISSIONER PIZZA.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, I APPRECIATE THE, THE CHANGING OF THE STUCCO, THE WOOD WINDOWS.
UM, THE ONE STORY EDITION VERSUS TWO.
UM, I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE GARAGE.
WAS THE GARAGE, UM, EVER ON THE ALLEY SIDE WITH THE, WITH THE, UH, NO.
I THINK IT'S ALWAYS BEEN, UH, THE GARAGE DOOR ALWAYS HAS ALWAYS RIGHT FACED.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE THAT RECORD.
UH, BUT THAT'S OUR EXPECTATION GIVEN THE FACT THAT THE DRIVEWAY WAS, UM, UH, THERE ALONG THE FRONT.
UM, I DO HAVE MORE TO COMMENT ON THAT IN THE DRIVEWAY, BUT I THINK I WANNA HEAR ANY PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.
UM, PUBLIC COMMENT IS THE APPLICANT HERE, PLEASE.
SO THE APPLICANT IS NOT LIMITED TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
THEY HAVE THEIR OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT TO THE COMMISSION, AND THEN ONCE THEY'RE DONE PRESENTING AND YOU'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY FOR QUESTIONS, WE CAN MOLE, WE CAN OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT.
UM, I WAS ONE OF THE DESIGNERS ON THIS PROJECT AND THE REASON WE DECIDED TO GO, UM, ONE STORY INSTEAD OF TWO, ONE BEING TO FIT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD A LITTLE BIT MORE, AND ALSO WE DON'T HAVE IT IN THE BUDGET TO DO A TWO STORY ADDITION HERE.
UM, AND TO SAVE SOME YARD SPACE, WE DECIDED TO FLIP THE ACCESS TO THE GARAGE TO THE ALLEY AS THERE'S OTHER HOMES WITHIN THE COMMUNITY THAT DO THAT AS WELL.
SO WE WOULD STILL FIT IN AND WE TOOK UP A LITTLE BIT OF THAT DRIVEWAY SPACE JUST TO GIVE, UM, THE FAMILY A LITTLE BIT MORE SPACE INSIDE.
UM, AS FAR AS THE EXTERIOR GOES, IT'S VERY MINIMAL.
UM, EVERYTHING IS GONNA BE STUCCO.
WE WILL MAKE EVERY ALL THE WINDOWS WOOD, AND WE COULD GO TO A 1620 OR A, OR A 2030 SAND FINISH ON THE STUCCO IF YOU PREFER.
YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? WELL, I HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, SO ON WHAT, ON THE, I GUESS IT WAS THE EAST ELEVATION.
YOU GUYS HAVE A, A WINDOW THAT'S DROPPED DOWN, THE HEADERS ALL LINE UP EXCEPT FOR ONE WINDOW.
WHAT WAS THE, WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THAT? WAS IT THE AWNING WINDOW? IT SHOULD BE AT THE SAME HEIGHT.
LEMME JUST ASK YOU LAUNDRY WINDOW.
THAT'S GONNA BE IN THE LAUNDRY ROOM.
UM, AND WE DID THAT TO GIVE, GET SOME LIGHT INTO THAT ROOM.
CAN YOU SHOW THE PLAN? CAN WE SEE THE PLAN TOO? YEAH.
SO THAT WOULD BE RIGHT ABOVE THE WASHER DRYER.
AREA TO GIVE SOME LIGHT INTO THAT ROOM.
AND THAT'S FACING THE, UM, THE DRIVEWAY SIDE, THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY.
ALSO, WHAT WAS THE THINKING ABOUT MOVING FORWARD WITHOUT A PERMIT THAT WOULD YEAH, I'M NOT REALLY DID YOU FEEL LIKE IT DIDN'T, DIDN'T WANT THE
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PERMIT OR, NO, WE WERE ALWAYS, WE DIDN'T START AND THEN GET STOPPED.WE HAVE BEEN DOWN, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF BACKSTORY, BUT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY ON THESE FOR MONTHS NOW.
UM, AND THERE'S BEEN SOME HICCUPS ALONG THE ROAD.
UM, NOT TO GET INTO THE BACKSTORY TOO MUCH, BUT IT WAS ALWAYS IN THE PLANS TO PULL PERMITS.
WE PULLED PERMITS ON ALL OF OUR PROJECTS.
WE WERE TRYING TO GET A LITTLE BIT OF A HEAD START, BUT DEFINITELY NOT, THE PLAN WASN'T TO FINISH THIS PROJECT WITHOUT A PERMIT.
WE WERE ALREADY ALWAYS WITH IN COMMUNICATION WITH THE CITY ON GETTING EVERYTHING APPROVED.
DID YOU KNOW THAT THE CITY WILL ISSUE A DEMO PERMIT WITHOUT A FULL PERMIT? WASN'T THAT COMMERCIAL? ONLY THAT, YEAH.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS ONLY FOR COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES.
NO, THAT'S FOR RESIDENTIAL TOO.
SO NEXT TIME CHECK OUT, CHECK THAT OUT FOR SURE.
I, I DON'T THINK PLANNING, THAT'S A PLANNING THING, SO NOT REALLY THEIR PURVIEW, BUT JUST AS A FYI.
UM, THIS IS COMMISSIONER PIZZA.
UM, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT ELEVATION THAT YOU WERE JUST, UM, SHOWING OF THAT HORIZONTAL WINDOW? UM, ARE YOU AWARE THAT THE CALIFORNIA HEIGHTS HAS A HISTORIC GUIDELINES? YES.
THE BEST TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE? TO OUR, TO THE BEST OF OUR, YEAH.
THERE'S, UM, AND I UNDERSTAND THIS ISN'T ON THE FRONT ELEVATION, WHICH IS CORRECT PRIORITY, BUT WE'RE ON THE SIDE ELEVATION.
SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT IS, UM, YES, LESS OF A FACTOR OF REARRANGING, UM, HISTORIC LOCATED WINDOWS.
BUT IT DOES SAY IN THEIR HISTORIC GUIDELINES, THE SIZE OF A WINDOW OPENING SHOULD NEVER BE ALTERED TO ACCOMMODATE A NEW WINDOW.
RATHER, THE WINDOW SHOULD BE SIZED TO FIT HISTORIC WINDOW OPENINGS.
AND RIGHT AS YOU WALK UP TO THE FRONT DOOR, YOU'VE TAKEN THESE TWO WINDOWS AS YOU SEE ON THE EAST ELEVATION ON THE TOP, WHICH ARE NARROWER.
AND YOU'VE PUT IN TWO WIDER WINDOWS AND YOU'VE REMOVED A CORBEL ON THE ROOF LINE.
AND I'M JUST WONDERING, UM, AS A, AS AN AREA THAT YOU'RE WALKING UP TO THE FRONT DOOR, UM, HOW, HOW DO YOU JUSTIFY THAT TO, SO WE COULD ALSO MEET EGRESS FOR A BEDROOM.
SO THAT IS A FRONT BEDROOM NOW.
SO WE NEED A, WE NEEDED TO MEET EGRESS AND WE CAN'T DO A CASEMENT WINDOW OR BEST BET WAS TO DO SINGLE HUNG.
SO THAT WAS THE REASONING BEHIND THAT.
WELL, BUT YOU HAVE A SINGLE HUNG ALREADY, IT SEEMS, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROPOSED ELEVATION AND YES.
BUT IT'S, WHY COULDN'T THAT BE MATCHED LIKE THAT WINDOW REPLACED AND THEN A WINDOW MATCHING IT? THE EXISTING SINGLE HUNG WINDOW DOESN'T, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE DOESN'T MEET THE EGRESS CODE.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE RIGHT NEXT TO THE FRONT DOOR TO THE RIGHT OF THE, TO THE RIGHT OF THE FRONT DOOR.
YEAH, THOSE ARE, THE WIDTH IS SMALLER.
SO THE RIGHT WHEN YOU OPEN THE WINDOW, THE EGRESS SQUARE FOOTAGE DOESN'T MEET CODE.
THAT'S WHY WE MADE THOSE WIDER.
AND THIS IS A QUESTION TO YOU, ALEJANDRO, IS THAT, UM, WE'RE ACTUALLY TAKING AWAY A HISTORIC WINDOW.
WOULD THAT PERTAIN TO THAT, UH, JUST ISSUE, JUST SO I UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY.
UM, SO WE HAVE THE, UH, PROPOSED EAST, UH, ELEVATION, UH, SHOWN ON THE SCREEN THERE.
IS IT THE TWO, IS IT THE WINDOWS WHERE, UH, THE ADDITION IS BEING PLACED OR IS IT THE NO, IT'S IN THE ORIGINAL HOME.
IT'S TO THE RIGHT OF THE FRONT DOOR.
YOU SEE IT UNDER THE LITTLE GABLE ROOF.
THERE'S A WINDOW ON THE GO UP TO THE EXISTING, YOU SEE A WINDOW TO THE RIGHT OF THE FRONT DOOR.
AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER ONE OBVIOUSLY TO THE RIGHT OF THAT THAT MATCHES.
BUT THEN WHEN YOU GO TO THE PROPOSED, THAT WINDOW WIDTH CHANGES COMPLETELY FROM THE ORIGINAL OPENING SIZE.
AND THEN THERE'S A DUPLICATE AGAIN OF A WIDER WINDOW NEXT TO THAT.
SO I'M QUESTIONING THAT AS IT'S SO CLOSE TO THE FRONT DOOR, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A SIDE ELEVATION, IT SEEMS IMPORTANT TO RETAIN THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY OF THE SHAPE.
SO YEAH, I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE, UM, A CONDITION, UH, THAT THE COMMISSION COULD ADD, UH, TO RETAIN, UH, THE EXISTING WINDOW.
UH, 'CAUSE AS I THINK AS THE COMMISSIONER IS, UH, IS ALLUDING TO COMMISSIONER PIZO, UH, YOU KNOW, RETAINING HISTORIC INTEGRITY IS, RETAINING HISTORIC MATERIALS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE, UH, DESIGN GUIDELINES ENCOURAGES THAT THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STA UH, STANDARDS ENCOURAGES.
UH, SO I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSIONER THAT THE COMMISSION COULD, UH, RECOMMEND AND FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE REST OF THE COMMISSION AND THE PUBLIC, UM, THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A RELAXATION WITH THE HISTORIC BUILDING CODE FOR CIRCUMSTANCES LIKE THIS.
SO IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THE CONTRACTOR THOUGHT THAT, UM, IT HAD TO BE DONE FOR WHAT WOULD BE A TYPICAL BUILDING CODE REASON.
BUT, UM, WE DO HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY HERE WITH THE HISTORIC BUILDING CODE.
CAN I ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION ABOUT THAT, THOUGH? THERE'S THIS, THE FOURTH WINDOW IN ON, UH,
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FROM THE LEFT TO THE RIGHT ON THE EXISTING ELEVATION THAT WOULD BE IMPACTED BY THE ADDITION, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.ON THE FOURTH WINDOW IN FROM THE FRONT DOOR? YEAH.
ALL THAT IS PART OF THE ADDITION.
IT'S ALSO MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE ARE CASEMENT WINDOWS THAT CAN ACT AS AN EXIT WINDOW, UH, BECAUSE THEY DO, UH, OPEN FULLY MM-HMM.
SO IF YOU WERE TO WANT CASEMENTS, ALTHOUGH NOT HERE, 'CAUSE IT'S PART OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE, YOU CAN DO THAT FOR, UH, FOR BEDROOMS. UM, SO I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, IS IT ACCEPTABLE FROM A HISTORIC PERSPECTIVE TO MOVE THAT FOURTH, I'M CALLING IT THE FOURTH FROM THE LEFT, THE FOURTH WINDOW FROM THE LEFT.
WHEN YOU SAY FOURTH FROM THE LEFT, JUST SO WE HAVE CLARITY ON THE STAFF SIDE, DO YOU MEAN FOURTH FROM THE LEFT OF THE FRONT DOOR, OR YOU MEAN FOURTH FROM THE LEFT.
THE FOURTH FROM THE LEFT OF THE ELE ELEVATION.
I ASSUME YOU WANT THAT WINDOW.
SO YOU WANT TWO WINDOWS IN THAT, IN THAT BEDROOM FOR, OKAY.
AND SO, SO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT THAT WINDOW IS BEING MOVED? UH, WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO RETAIN ITS SHAPE.
YEAH, BECAUSE I THINK THE WINDOW RIGHT NOW IS VINYL, UH, THE EXISTING, IF THAT'S CORRECT.
SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A NEW WOOD WINDOW ANYWAY, BUT AT LEAST IN PROPORTION IT WOULD MATCH THE EXISTING OPENINGS.
UM, ALSO, I HAD ANOTHER, UH, QUESTION OR COMMENT.
UM, SO THE CALIFORNIA HEIGHTS, AGAIN, THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES ON DRIVEWAYS, THIS IS MM-HMM,
UH, ONE 3.1 DRIVEWAYS SHOULD NOT BE RELOCATED OR RESIZED.
THE WIDTH LOCATION AND CONFIGURATION OF EXISTING DRIVEWAYS SHOULD BE RETAINED AT THIS AS THIS WILL PRESERVE THE BUILDING'S HISTORIC RELATIONSHIP TO ITS SITE AND MAINTAIN THE VISUAL CONTINUITY OF THE DISTRICT.
UM, AND IT'S ALSO GOES ON TO SAY IF THERE IS EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST A EXISTING DRIVEWAY CONFIGURATION SUCH AS DUAL RIBBON, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS, IT'S WHERE THERE'S GRASP BETWEEN WHICH, UH, THE PHOTOS.
AND ACTUALLY I WENT TO THE SITE, I, I SAW THE PROJECT.
UM, IT DOES HAVE A RIBBON DRIVE CURRENTLY, WHICH HALF OF IT'S BEEN DEMOLISHED, UM, OR REMOVED.
UM, AND IT SAYS, UM, IT SHOULD BE RETAINED OR IT SHOULD BE REPLACED IF THERE WAS EXISTING EVIDENCE OF A RIBBON DRIVEWAY.
SO I'M GOING TO KIND OF PUSH BACK ON THE WAY THIS PROJECT IS PROBABLY
SO I'M JUST GONNA LET YOU KNOW THAT I, I THINK IN TERMS OF THE GUIDELINES, UM, THIS IS GONNA BE A TALL ORDER FOR ME TO GET BEHIND, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RATIONALE, OR IF THERE'S BEEN STUDIES, I GUESS IS MY QUESTION, TO NOT DISTURBING THE DRIVEWAY, WHICH HAS ALREADY BEEN HALF REMOVED, UM, AND MOVE THE ADDITION TO ANOTHER PART OF THE HOUSE.
COULD WE GO BACK TO THE PHOTOS OF THE RIBBON? I'M, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING.
I I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT PART OF THE DRIVEWAY.
SO, UM, RIGHT HERE WHERE YOU HAVE A SLATE, KIND OF TEXTURED, STAMPED CONCRETE, WHICH, UH, SHOULD BE ADDRESSED AT SOME POINT TOO.
UM, AND IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE CENTER SECTION WAS PROBABLY, UH, COULD HAVE BEEN A GRASS RIBBON OF SOME SORT OR NOT.
NO, NOT WITHS FROM, AND THE HOMEOWNERS ARE HERE.
UM, THEN I'M GONNA SAY THAT PROBABLY YOUR STAMPED CONCRETE SHOULD PROBABLY, THAT'S NOT ORIGINAL.
I, I ASSUME TO THE LEFT SIDE, THERE'S A, A, A DIFFERENT TEXTURED CONCRETE OFF TO THE LEFT SIDE, SO WE COULD ADDRESS THAT.
BUT, UM, I GUESS MY POINT IS THAT WHAT WAS THE REASONING INTO ENCROACHING THE DRIVEWAY? I GUESS WHEN WE AREN'T REALLY SURE, UM, THAT WAS ACTUALLY A GOOD RECOMMENDATION FROM CITY STAFF A WHILE BACK.
UH, BECAUSE OUR, OUR ORIGINAL PLAN, WE WERE GONNA BE TOUCHING THE FRONT FACADE AND DOING AN ADDITION TO THE FRONT.
AND AFTER SPEAKING WITH THEM AND AFTER DOING SOME PLANS, UM, THEY SAID THAT WAS NOT A GOOD, THAT WAS, WOULD NOT BE A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.
UM, SO LOOKING AT THE OTHER HOMES WITHIN THE STREET AND THE COMMUNITY, THERE'S BEEN OTHER HOMES THAT HAVE MOVED THEIR GARAGE DOORS TO THE, TO THE REAR, UM,
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TO HAVE THAT ENTRANCE.SO WE DIDN'T THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE AN ISSUE SINCE THERE'S OTHER ONES THAT DO THAT AS WELL.
AND WE DON'T HAVE, IF WE DON'T ENCROACH INTO THE DRIVEWAY, WE DON'T HAVE THE SPACE TO DO AN ADDITION IN THE BACK.
'CAUSE THEN WE'RE GONNA TAKE OVER, UM, MORE OF THE YARD SPACE THAT THE, THAT THE HOMEOWNERS WOULD LIKE TO KEEP.
THANK YOU FOR NOT GOING TO STORY
AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR EXPLANATION.
I STILL THINK IN TERMS OF THE, THE GUIDELINES ARE QUITE CLEAR, AND I WOULD OF COURSE OPEN THIS UP TO THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS', UM, COMMENTS AND, AND, UM, INTERPRETATION OF THIS.
BUT, UM, THEY DO EXPLICITLY SAY THAT THE WAY THE SITE IS LAID OUT SHOULD BE RETAINED AND DRIVEWAYS SHOULD NOT BE REMOVED.
AND, UH, I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION? UM, COULD WE, SINCE THE CITY PROPOSED, THE STAFF PROPOSED TO PUT A GATE, UM, SO WE CAN'T SEE THE ADDITION IN THE BACK.
COULD WE REDO THIS DRIVEWAY HERE TO BE BACK TO WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE, THE RIBBON THAT YOU WERE, UM, MENTIONING, AND LEAVE IT AS IS.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE THE DRIVEWAY.
WELL, IF IT WASN'T A RIBBON PRIOR, THEN I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO BRING IT BACK TO A RIBBON, BUT I DO AGREE THAT, OR KEEPING THE DRIVEWAY LOW CONCRETE SHOULD BE, SHOULD BE, UM, AN APPROPRIATE CONCRETE MATERIAL TO THE ERA OF THE HOUSE.
AND TO THE EXISTING CONCRETE THAT'S SURE.
WITHOUT, GOES WITHOUT SAYING, BUT ESSENTIALLY YOU'RE, YOU'RE CREATING A PROPERTY THAT HAS A DEAD END DR.
BASICALLY A DRIVE TO NOWHERE, UM, ESSENTIALLY, OR TO KEEP THE LOOK.
IF, IF THE CONCERN IS TO KEEP IT UNIFORM, UM, THEN THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD HELP THE LOOK OF IT.
AND THEN WE WOULD, COULD STILL HAVE THE DRIVEWAY IN THE ALLEY OR THE ACCESS.
MY NAME'S BURKE ADAMS, UH, I'M THE HOMEOWNER.
UM, THE DRIVEWAY HAS NEVER BEEN FUNCTIONAL.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT, IT RUNS TO THE BACK.
YOU CAN'T GET A CAR THROUGH THE DRIVEWAY INTO THE GARAGE.
I'VE TRIED TO PUT MY WIFE'S CAR BESIDE THERE AND IT ALMOST, I, I COULDN'T GET OUT.
SO WE'VE MAINTAINED THE FRONT OF THE DRIVEWAY COMING UP TO THE HOUSE.
WE'VE MAINTAINED THE FRONT OF THE, THE REST OF THE HOUSE THE WAY IT LOOKS.
WE ARE TRYING TO ABIDE THE SPIRIT OF THE GUIDELINES AND OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE GUIDELINES AS BEST WE CAN.
UM, IN TERMS OF THE GARAGE AND THE DIRECTION IT FACES, BOTH HOUSES ON EITHER SIDE, THEIR GARAGE IS FACE TO THE ALLEY AFFECT.
MOST OF THE, UM, HOUSES ON OUR STREET ARE THAT WAY.
WE'RE ONE OF THE FEW WHERE YOU CAN SORT OF SEE THE GARAGE FROM THE FRONT, BUT IT'S WELL HIDDEN BACK THERE.
AND THAT MATCHES LOTS OF OTHER HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAVE A VERY SIMILAR LAYOUT TO THIS.
SO WE'VE, WE HAVE TRIED TO MAINTAIN THINGS.
UM, AND YEAH, THE IDEA OF A SECOND STORY IS HORRIBLE.
UM, FOR US, UH, WE BOUGHT THIS HOUSE 12 YEARS AGO.
SO THERE ARE LOTS OF THINGS THAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE HISTORY OF IT.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE STAMPED CONCRETE CAME FROM.
THERE'S A LOT OF STAMPED CONCRETE IN THE BACK THAT I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT, AND MAYBE WE WILL.
UM, THE VINYL WINDOWS, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHEN THIS STUFF CAME IN, BUT WE HAVE TRIED TO TAKE SOMETHING THAT WAS EMPTY FOR A WHILE, TURN IT INTO A HOME THAT MATCHES THE HISTORIC, THAT THAT STAYS WITH THE, THE LOOK AND FEEL.
UM, BUT WE DO NEED MORE SPACE.
OUR FAMILY IS BIGGER THAN WHEN WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE.
UH, WE'VE LOOKED AT MOVING, BUT WE'RE REALLY FORTUNATE.
WE HAVE A LOT OF NEIGHBORS THAT WE'VE REALLY COME TO ENJOY AND LIKE, WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE OUR NEIGHBORS.
WE DON'T WANNA LOSE OUR HOUSE, BUT IT'S TOO SMALL.
AND THE ONLY WAY WE COULD FIND TO DO IT THAT DIDN'T CREATE A FALSE SENSE OF HISTORY, UH, WHICH OUR FIRST ATTEMPT DID, UM, YOU KNOW, WAS THIS.
WE'VE TRIED TO MINIMIZE THE SIGHT LINES.
WE'VE TRIED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WINDOWS MATCH, UH, YOUR, YOUR COMMENT ABOUT MAKING THE WINDOWS SMALLER, THAT WE'RE PERFECTLY HAPPY TO DO THAT.
WE WOULD LOVE IT TO, TO LOOK CLOSER.
UM, IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME GETTING TO WHERE WE ARE AND WE ARE TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MEET THE STANDARDS.
UM, COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER, UH,
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CHAIR AND, AND COMMISSIONER PIZO.UM, I THINK JUST TO KIND OF, UH, UH, ADD A LITTLE BIT OF A CONTEXT HERE.
I THINK IN TERMS OF, UH, COMMISSION PRACTICE, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SORT OF VARYING DEGREES OF, YOU KNOW, HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND, YOU KNOW, THE ABSOLUTE BEST.
YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING KIND OF STAYS INTACT AND, YOU KNOW, YOU KIND OF SCALE IT DOWN FROM THERE BASED ON SITE CONDITIONS, FIELD CONDITIONS, BUILDING CONDITIONS AS YOU KNOW.
UM, BUT I THINK WHEN, YOU KNOW, WHAT SOME, WHAT THE COMMISSION HAS DONE IN THE PAST IS, IS ALLOWED SOMETHING LIKE THIS IN THE PAST, UH, WHERE THE GARAGE DOOR FLIPS, UH, FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER WITH THE IDEA BEING THAT, UM, DRIVEWAYS STILL DO EXIST.
THAT THERE'S A RHYTHM TO THE, TO THESE DRIVEWAYS, TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AND HISTORICALLY KIND OF KEEPING, UM, SOMETHING THERE THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL DRIVEWAY OR THE ORIGINAL DRIVEWAY, UM, UH, UM, APPROACH.
UM, SO I THINK THAT'S SORT OF THE RATIONALE WHEN, UH, THE COMMISSION HAS APPROVED THESE IN THE PAST.
UM, QUESTION, THE GATE THAT THIS HAS BEEN DISCUSSING, UM, WILL CO COVER THE, UH, POP OUT EDITION AS WELL.
IT WILL HELP SCREEN THAT, CORRECT? YEAH, SO, UH, SO IT'S UP FORWARD, SORRY,
UM, SO THE SITE IS, UH, SLIGHTLY ELEVATED.
UM, SO YEAH, WE DO EXPECT THAT THE, THE, THE GATE WILL COVER THE MAJORITY OF IT.
I THINK THE LANGUAGE AND THE CONDITION IS, IS THAT IT BE, UH, A SOLID GATE.
UH, WE HAVEN'T DEFINED SPECIFICALLY WHAT WEATHER, METAL, WOOD, UH, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I THINK JUST, UH, I THINK WHAT WE WOULD PROBABLY ENCOURAGE IS SOMETHING SOLID UP TO SIX FEET, UM, WOULD HELP, UH, THAT TREMENDOUSLY.
AND JUST TO BUILD UPON, UH, THE COMMENT, IF I COULD, UH, FROM ALEJANDRO, THE, THE DESIGN GUIDELINES OF COURSE HAVE A LOT OF, UH, JUST THOSE GUIDELINES, RIGHT, OF, OF SHOULD, AND IN THE BEST CASE SCENARIO.
UM, BUT REALLY, YOU KNOW, AS WE TAKE A STEP BACK AND LOOKED AT BIGGER PICTURE, HOW DO WE DO OUR BEST TO, UM, MAXIMIZE THE PRESERVATION OF THE VIEW FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY AND STILL HAVE THAT ABILITY FOR THIS FAMILY TO BE ABLE TO GROW AND, AND STAY IN THEIR HOME AND, AND, UM, AND USE THEIR DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS UNDER CITY CODE.
UH, WE LOOK AT SORT OF THE TRADE-OFFS AND WHAT OPTIONS WE HAVE.
UM, AND IN THIS CASE, THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL WAS TO DO A FRONT ADDITION.
WE WERE ABLE TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO DISCOURAGE THAT AND, UM, COME UP WITH THIS ALTERNATIVE.
UM, AND SO THE ABILITY TO STILL MAINTAIN THE GENERAL CONFIGURATION OF HOW THE SITE IS LAID OUT, UM, EVEN IF IT, UM, DOES MEAN SORT OF THE CONDITIONS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, WE BELIEVE IS SORT OF THE BEST, UH, POTENTIAL APPROACH GIVEN THE EXISTING CONDITIONS.
I APPRECIATE, I THINK I'M, I'M JUST GONNA ADD ONE MORE THING HERE.
UM, I THINK ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS, UM, HISTORICALLY, AND UH, THE PROPERTY OWNERS POINTED THIS OUT TO ME, UM, BUT UM, WE CONFIRMED IT, I THINK I MENTIONED THE, UH, AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH FROM I THINK THE THIRTIES, 1938 OR 39, UH, THAT WE WERE ABLE TO, UH, FIND.
UH, BUT THERE ACTUALLY WAS, UH, A PORT OF CO SHARE THAT WOULD'VE EXTENDED, UH, OVER THE DRIVEWAY.
SO I THINK HISTORICALLY THERE WOULD'VE BEEN SOMETHING THERE TO KIND OF LIMIT THE VISIBILITY AS WELL.
UH, I KNOW IT'S NEITHER HERE NOR THERE BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S NO LONGER THERE.
WE DO SEE IT IN OTHER BUILDINGS.
UM, BUT YEAH, IF THAT HAD BEEN THERE, IT'D BE EVEN FURTHER SCREENED.
AND I KNOW YOU MENTIONED A DRIVEWAY TO KNOW THERE.
IF WE WEREN'T IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY ALLOW THAT.
WE WOULD CLOSE THAT, UM, CURB CUT.
UM, BUT IN THIS CASE, AGAIN, BE ABLE TO STILL, UM, PRESERVE THAT ORIGINAL LAYOUT.
UM, WHILE HAVING SOME FLEXIBILITY FOR HOW THE DESIGN CAN CONTINUE TO EVOLVE TO US IS THE HIGHER, UH, PRIORITY WITHIN THE GUIDELINES.
ANYTHING FURTHER FROM THE COMMISSIONERS, UM, FOR THE APPLICANT? NO.
SO I'M GONNA NEED TO DO A FRIENDLY AME, UH, AMENDMENT FOR THE WINDOWS.
WAIT, BEFORE WE BRING IT BACK FOR DISCUSSION AMONG THE COMMISSIONERS.
CAN WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT? WELL, YOU'RE RIGHT, ACTUALLY,
ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WISH TO COMMENT NOW AT THIS TIME ON THIS ITEM? YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES PLEASE.
I LIVE AT 36 0 7 ROSE AVENUE, ADJACENT TO THE ADAMS RESIDENCE.
UH, JUST HERE TO VOCALIZE MY SUPPORT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT AND, UH, WOULD APPRECIATE, UH, YOUR SUPPORT AND, AND, AND APPROVING THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR, FOR THE ATOMS SO THEY CAN STAY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND IN OUR COMMUNITY.
ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? THANK YOU.
I AM A NEIGHBOR OF THE ADAMS. UM, I'M ALSO THE DOCENT COORDINATOR FOR THE CAL HEIGHTS HOME TOUR.
UM, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING
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BECAUSE CURRENT STATE OF THE HOUSE, AND WE'VE ALL SAID THIS TOGETHER, IT, IT'S PRETTY PLAINAND I THINK IT WILL ENHANCE THE PROPERTY VALUES ON OUR STREET.
WE'RE REALLY TIGHT NEIGHBORHOOD, WE REALLY DON'T WANNA LOSE THE ADAMS. THEY ARE GREAT PEOPLE.
SO, UM, JUST WANTED TO EXPRESS MY SUPPORT FOR THEIR CERTIFICATION.
WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? OKAY, SEEING THEN COMMISSIONER'S DISCUSSION? WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO DO THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT NOW, UH, ON THE, UH, TWO WINDOWS ON THE EI THINK IT WAS THE EAST, UH, YEAH, EAST ELEVATION TO RETAIN THE PROPORTION, UH, OF THE ORIGINAL ONE AND MATCH THE MOVED, UH, MOVE THE SECOND ONE TO IT.
SO LEMME MAKE SURE I'VE GOT THAT.
STAFF HAS CLARITY BECAUSE WE WANNA, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER YOU'RE TAKING, UM, WE UNDERSTAND AND THAT WE CAN ARTICULATE TO THE COMMISSION SO THEY UNDERSTAND.
SO EVERYONE'S KIND OF IN THE LOOP ON THIS VOTE, UH, STAFF.
DO YOU HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE FRIENDLY MOTION BEING PUT FORWARD BY COMMISSIONER PIZZA? YES, WE DO.
DOES THERE NEED TO BE GREATER CLARITY FOR THE COMMISSION IN, IN RELATION TO THE FRIENDLY? THE ONLY CLARITY I WAS GONNA SAY IS THE, THERE'S A CORE, THERE'S A, A ROOF BOL THAT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS REMOVED TO MAKE THE WIDER WINDOW.
IT'S, I THINK IT EXISTS, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S STILL RETAINED.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO BRING UP THE POWERPOINT
IF YOU CAN GO TO THE EXISTING CONSI CONDITION ON THE NORTH ELEVATION.
IS IT THE EAST ELEVATION? SO MY UNDERSTANDING FROM YOUR, UH, FRIENDLY MOTION IS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FROM THE LEFT WINDOWS THREE AND FOUR, CORRECT? BEING AS THE, THE SIZE AND PROPORTION.
SO, WELL, THE NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS TO THE RIGHT OF THE FRONT DOOR, WILL ESSENTIALLY STAY, UM, AND BE INTACT.
UH, IT'S GETTING REPLACED IN THE CONDITIONS BECAUSE ALL WINDOWS ARE GETTING REPLACED, BUT YES, WINDOW FOUR WILL, WILL MOVE BUT RETAIN ITS ORIGINAL PROPORTION.
UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, COMMISSIONER PIZO.
SO, UH, JUST REALLY QUICK, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS CORRECTLY, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THE TOP DRAWING, UH, FROM LEFT TO RIGHT COUNTING WINDOW NUMBER ONE, NUMBER TWO, THE DOOR WINDOW NUMBER THREE, UH, THE MISSING BLE UP THERE.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
UM, SO I'LL JUST SORT OF POINT OUT ON THAT ONE.
I THINK THAT IS, UM, THE REMNANT OF THE PORTICO SHARE THAT WAS THERE.
SO THAT WOULD'VE BEEN THE SMALL GABLE.
UM, SO WE KIND OF THINK IT'S A, IT'S AN ORIGINAL FEATURE THERE AND, UH, IT'S A LITTLE OFF.
UH, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN SHOW IT IN THE PHOTOGRAPHS HERE, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE JUST SORT OF LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, KEEPING, UH, ORIGINAL FEATURES, IT, IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE TO KEEP IT AS IS.
UH, BUT IF THERE IS, IF IT'S SEEN A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY, YEAH, UNFORTUNATELY I DON'T HAVE AS GOOD A PHOTO, BUT YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE THAT'S AT RIGHT THERE ON, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
SO WE, WE CAN STILL HAVE IT AS A CONDITION, BUT WE DO BELIEVE THAT THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL PORTICO SHARE IN THAT SMALL LITTLE GABLE, UH, EX THAT WOULD'VE EXTENDED OVER THE DRIVEWAY FOLLOWING YOU, NOT THE POST ON THE RIGHT SIDE.
WHAT, UH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE LITTLE GABLE ROOF THAT'S, YEAH, CORRECT.
I'M NOT SAYING TO OH, UNDER, OKAY.
NO, I'M, I'M SAYING IT WAS REMOVED ON THE PROPOSED PLAN I, AND I DON'T WANT IT REMOVED.
SO TO YOUR POINT, YES, WE DEFINITELY SHOULD KEEP IT.
IT WAS, IT, IT DROPPED OFF OF THE PROPOSED WHEN THEY WIDENED THE ORIGINAL WINDOW UNDER.
THIS IS WHY WE DO THIS EXERCISE, THIS COMMISSIONER GROFF.
I HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT, UM, ON WITH REGARD.
CAN WE, IS THIS IN RELATION TO THE FRIENDLY? YES, IT IS.
SO JUST SO THAT THERE'S NO, UM, MIX UP LATER ON, THE FLOOR PLAN ACTUALLY HAS THOSE WINDOWS LABELED AS W FOUR AND W FIVE.
IT, IT'S HARD TO SEE 'CAUSE YOU GOTTA REALLY ZOOM IN.
SO I JUST DIDN'T WANT THERE TO BE CONFUSION.
WHEN YOU GO AND SAY, UM, THREE AND FOUR, AND THEN IT'S ACTUALLY ON PLAN CALLED OUT AS FOUR AND FIVE.
AND THE WINDOW THAT IS NEXT TO THE DOOR, WHAT IS THAT LABELED ON THE PLAN?
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UM, THE WINDOW NEXT TO THE DOOR.SO IT'S DOOR, IT'S WINDOW ONE, AND THAT'S THE BEDROOM 1, 1 2.
AND THEN YOU GO TO THE LAUNDRY.
AND THAT'S THREE AND THEN FOUR, FIVE.
AND IS THAT, IS THAT CLARIFY? SO WINDOW FIVE IS CLOSEST TO THE DOOR, CORRECT? UM, SORRY.
WINDOW ONE IS CLOSEST TO THE DOOR, IS THAT RIGHT? ALL RIGHT.
ONE AND TWO ARE CLOSEST TO THE DOOR.
SO I GUESS IT'S WINDOWS ONE AND TWO THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IF WE COULD ZOOM, IS THERE A WAY TO ZOOM IN ON THAT FLOOR PLAN? SO, YOU KNOW, RIGHT? YEAH, I'M TALKING ABOUT THOSE TWO.
SORRY, THOSE TWO ARE ONE AND TWO.
SO, SO R TWO WOULD BE RETAINED IN PLACE.
I THINK IT'S ONE, ONE AND TWO.
SO, BUT THE POINT STANDS, THEY'RE LABELED DIFFERENTLY THAN WHAT WE WERE CALLING THEM ONE AND TWO, RIGHT? I THINK WE GOT IT.
THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.
COMMISSIONER GR ARE WE CLEAR? IT IS ONE AND TWO, I THINK WE'RE CLEAR.
YEAH, SO THAT THE ONE WINDOW WILL, UM, BE THE SAME.
IT WILL STAY IN PLACE AND THE OTHER ONE WINDOW ONE NUMBER ONE, YES, WILL STAY IN PLACE
SO THAT'S THE FRIENDLY MOTION.
AND YEAH, SORRY THAT WAS A LONG FRIENDLY MOTION.
I HAVE ANOTHER FRIENDLY MOTION,
COMMISSIONER IRVINE, YOU WERE THE MAKER OF THIS MOTION.
DO YOU ACCEPT THE FRIENDLY? UM, YES, I ACCEPT THE FRIENDLY MOTION.
COMMISSIONER BODAK AS A SECOND.
OKAY, NOW MY SECOND ONE IS TO REPLACE THE STAMPED CONCRETE ON THE DRIVEWAY TO AN APPROPRIATE CONCRETE THAT MATCHES EXISTING.
SO, UM, THE NEXT FRIENDLY IS TO REPLACE THE CONCRETE, THE STAMP CONCRETE WITHIN A MORE TIME PERIOD, APPRO APPROPRIATE, UM, USE OR CONCRETE.
UM, I HAD A QUESTION SINCE IT SEEMS THAT, UM, THE, UH, FINANCIAL BURDEN OF THIS ADDITION IS A CONCERN, UM, IS IT A POSSIBLE THAT WE COULD, THAT THEY COULD GO AHEAD AND DO THEIR, UM, ADDITION AND NOT DO THE CONCRETE OR DO IT AT A LATER TIME? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR FINANCIAL SITUATION IS, SO I DON'T WANNA STOP THE WHOLE THING JUST BECAUSE OF THE CONCRETE.
'CAUSE THERE WERE NO ORIGINAL CONDITIONS TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE EXCEPT FOR, YOU KNOW, PUTTING IN WOOD WINDOWS.
I DON'T KNOW WHO I NEED TO ASK THAT OF.
THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THE COMMISSION CAN DELIBERATE ON.
I THINK, UM, FINANCIAL FEASIBILITY IS AN IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION AND SORT OF WHAT THE PRIORITIES ARE OVERALL.
IF A PROJECT IS SO COSTLY THAT IT CAN'T BE DONE AT ALL, UM, THAT IS CERTAINLY A CHALLENGE.
IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE IS SOMEWHAT A LIMITED BUDGET ON, ON THIS PROJECT.
UM, THAT IS, UM, AT THE WILL OF THE COMMISSION AS TO HOW YOU WANNA CONDITION THE PROJECT.
THINK ABOUT SORT OF THE NEXUS AND WHAT THE EXISTING CONDITIONS ARE, UM, IN OUR LEVEL OF PRIORITY.
UM, WE'RE ASKING FOR ALL THE WINDOWS TO BE CHANGED OUT AND IT SOUNDED LIKE FROM HEARING FROM THE HOMEOWNER, MANY OF THEM ALREADY WERE VINYL WHEN THEY WERE TO MOVE IN.
SO THAT WOULD BE ONE EXAMPLE OF AN ADDITIONAL COST THAT WE KNOW IS A BIG PRIORITY OF THIS COMMISSION AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
SO, UM, AND CONSIDERING ALL THOSE TRADE-OFFS AND WHETHER THAT ADDITIONAL FINANCIAL, UM, BURDEN COULD, UM, MAKE THE WHOLE PROJECT INFEASIBLE, I WOULD CERTAINLY, UM, ADVISE THAT THE COMMISS, UH, COMMISSION CONSIDER THAT STRONGLY.
UM, WE CAN CONSIDER A TIMING CONDITION FOR THE STAFF SIDE, BUT THAT CAN GET REALLY TRICKY.
UM, IN TERMS OF WOULD WE, UM, WOULD WE DO SOME KIND OF COVENANT OR HOW WE WOULD DO THAT? THAT'S SOMETIMES HOW WE DEAL WITH, UH, CODE ENFORCEMENT CASES RELATED TO WINDOWS, FOR EXAMPLE.
UM, BUT IT CAN GET TRICKY ON THE IMPLEMENTATION SIDE.
UM, SO MY INCLINATION WOULD BE TO LEAVE IT OFF AS A CON CONDITION, BUT WHAT, WHAT DO THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS THINK? SORRY, WE, WE CAN'T VOTE ON IT.
SO YOU, YOU, AS THE HOLDER OF THE MOTION HAVE THE ABILITY TO ACCEPT OR TO REJECT THE FRIENDLY.
UM, ARE YOU ACCEPTING OR REJECTING THE FRIENDLY MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER PIZZA? UM, I'M REJECTING.
JUST TO CLARIFY, SO JUST SO WE CLARIFY
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HAS BEEN REJECTED, WHICH MEANS IT'S NOT CURRENTLY A PART OF YOUR MOTION.YOU DO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE A SUB TO MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO, IF YOU MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION, IT REQUIRES A SECOND, THEN WE WOULD TAKE YOUR SUBSTITUTE MOTION, REMEMBER OUR LITTLE NESTING DOLLS BEFORE GETTING DOWN TO OUR PRIOR MOTION SO THAT OPTION IS AVAILABLE TO YOU.
UM, SO I JUST WANNA CLARIFY WHAT I'M DISCUSSING.
IT'S NOT THE ENTIRE DRIVEWAY, IT'S THE LEFT, THE FARTHEST LEFT BAND, WHICH IS ABOUT TWO FEET, AND IT PROBABLY RUNS FROM THE SIDEWALK TO THE FRONT DOOR.
SO I'M NOT SAYING TO REPLACE THE ENTIRE DRIVEWAY, SO I'M NOT SO SURE IT WOULD BE THAT COST PROHIBITIVE.
UM, THE OTHER CONCRETE IS, IS FINE.
I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE REMOVED.
SO, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE THAT CONCRETE, UH, APPROPRIATE.
IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE RIGHT NOW.
IT'S AN ODD, UM, ADDITION, UM, TO THE VERY FRONT FACE OF THE HOME.
SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, TO REPLACE THE LEFT BAND OF THE FRONT DRIVEWAY.
SO JUST SO I HAVE CLARITY, SORRY, ON THE MOTION, IT'S THE ENTIRE MOTION WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US, BUT WITH THE ADDITION OF THE REPLACEMENT OF THE LEFT HAND, CORRECT? CORRECT.
IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION? MOTION WASN'T ABLE TO GENERATE A SECOND.
SO WE ARE STILL WITH OUR MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
SO THERE'S NO FURTHER DI DISCUSSION.
THE COMMISSION CAN MOVE TO A VOTE.
AND IT INCLUDES THE FIRST FRIENDLY.
SO THE MOTION WOULD INCLUDE THE FIRST FRIENDLY, WHICH IS THAT LOVELY CLARIFICATION WE GOT ON THE WINDOWS
UM, IN, IN ADDITION TO THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
DO WE HAVE A HAVE A VOTE? YOU? YES.
AND YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT DRIVEWAY WAS CUT THOSE TWO STRIPS.
I JUST WANNA SAY HOW NICE IT IS THAT THE NEIGHBORS CAME OUT TO SUPPORT.
YEAH, BECAUSE IT WENT TO, THERE'S A FOR SHARE IN A SMALL GARAGE.
IT WAS ONLY THIS AND THEY CUT THIS OUT TO MAKE IT WIDER FOR CURRENT.
YEAH, BECAUSE THAT'S, YOU CAN'T THANK YOU.
I BELIEVE WE ARE LOOKING FOR, OOPS, SORRY.
I BELIEVE WE'RE AT THE PORTION OF THE MEETING AND WE CAN TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON NON AGENDIZED ITEMS. THE NEXT ITEM PLEASE.
I BELIEVE WE'VE CONCLUDED THE AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING AND THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR OPENING UP OF GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
SO ON A NON AGENDIZED ITEMS, SORRY, NON AGENDIZED ITEMS. ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK ON ANYTHING? NO.
ARE THERE ANNOUNCEMENTS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? UM, YEAH.
I'D LIKE TO SAY FIRST AND FOREMOST, WELCOME TO JOCELYN PRYOR.
WE SERVED FOR EIGHT YEARS TOGETHER ON THE ARTS COUNCIL FOR LONG BEACH, AND SO IT'S WONDERFUL TO BE BACK AROUND.
YOU BRING SUCH AMAZING THINGS TO WHATEVER BOARD OR COMMISSION, SO HAPPY TO HAVE YOU HERE.
ALSO WANTED TO REVISIT, UM, SOMETHING THAT I BROUGHT UP, GOSH, I THINK LAST YEAR, ABOUT, UM, HAVING LAND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT, UM, TO, UM, OPEN OUR MEETINGS UP WITH.
SO WOULD LIKE TO CIRCLE BACK AROUND TO SEE IF, IF THERE'S ANY MOVEMENT ON THAT AND IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO, ESPECIALLY BEING THE CULTURAL HERITAGE COMMISSION.
UM, WE'RE HAPPY TO BRING BACK A REPORT AND UPDATE ON THAT.
IT IS SOMETHING STAFF HAVE CONTINUED TO WORK ON.
UM, AND, UM, TO DISCUSS A LITTLE BIT WITH HOW OTHER COMMISSIONS IN THE CITY ARE ADDRESSING THIS.
I KNOW WE GOT SOME, UM, ADVICE FROM OUR CLERK AND ATTORNEYS NOT TO USE ANNOUNCEMENTS TO TURN INTO DISCUSSION, BUT TO AGENDA.
SO WE'LL MAKE SURE TO AGENDIZE AND DISCUSS IT AT THE NEXT MEETING.
UH, SO IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE WORKING ON AS WELL.
UH, COMMISSIONER MAGU HAS ONE COMMENT.
UM, THIS HAS COME BEFORE OUR BOARD AT, OR THE COMMISSION A FEW YEARS AGO IT WAS THE, UH,
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ADAPTIVE REUSE OF THE OCEAN CENTER PROPERTY.THEY'RE HAVING A RIBBON CUTTING CEREMONY TOMORROW EVENING, STARTING AT FIVE 30.
BUT AGAIN, IT GIVES, UH, GREAT SATISFACTION IN TERMS OF WHAT THIS COMMISSION DOES IN TERMS OF PRESERVING PARTS OF THE HISTORY OF LONG BEACH.
AS YOU KNOW, THE JERGENS TRUST BUILDING, WHICH WAS DEMOLISHED JUST ADJACENT ACROSS, UH, PINE AVENUE, AND THAT SAT AS A PARKING LOT FOR OVER 30 YEARS.
SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE SUPPORT THESE PROJECTS.
ALSO, THE SAME DEVELOPER IS, UM, IS DOING THE FAIRMONT, UH, BREAKERS HOTEL, WHICH AS YOU KNOW, SHOULD BE COMING ONLINE LATER THIS YEAR, WHICH IS, AGAIN, ANOTHER, UM, TESTAMENT TO WHAT THIS COMMISSION DOES IN TERMS OF WORKING WITH THE, THE VARIOUS, UH, OWNERS.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ALSO VERY INTERESTED IN THE MILLS ACT COMPONENT FOR THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE OF THE, UM, THE AMOUNT INVESTED.
AND I'M NOT SURE IF THAT HAS WILL COME UP IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION OR NOT, BUT THAT WAS A KEY PART OF THIS, THIS PROJECT.
BUT I DO WANNA EXTEND AN INVITATION.
IT'S FIVE 30 TOMORROW EVENING, SORRY FOR THE LATE NOTICE, BUT, UH, IT'LL BE, UH, QUITE, QUITE A, QUITE A SCENE IN TERMS OF, UH, SEEING A HISTORICAL OFFICE BUILDING CONVERTED INTO, UM, UH, A VERY HISTORICAL BUT MODERN APARTMENTS.
VICE, VICE CHAIRMAN GUAN? YEAH, I THINK YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN INSIDE, UM, AND IT TURNED OUT REALLY, REALLY WELL.
SO IF YOU CAN MAKE IT OUT, UH, IT WOULD BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO SEE A PROJECT, UH, COMPLETED AND ONE THAT LOOKS REALLY, REALLY GOOD.
I'M GONNA MAKE ONE LAST ANNOUNCEMENT.
I, I, WE MISSED IT IN THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT.
UM, THE, UH, MILLS ACT, UH, WORKSHOPS, UH, MILLS ACT IS HAPPENING AGAIN THIS YEAR.
UH, WE HAD, UH, OUR FIRST MEETING JANUARY 20TH.
UH, IT WAS AT THE MCBRIDE MCBRIDE, UH, CENTER.
UM, AND WE DO HAVE A SECOND ONE COMING UP, WHICH WILL BE A VIRTUAL, UH, ONE, UH, SO THAT IS GOING TO BE FEBRUARY TWO 10TH.
UM, SO JUST HEADS UP, UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE ON THE COMMISSION'S WORK PLAN.
IT'LL BE COMING DOWN THE PIPELINE, UH, BUT WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE YOU AWARE THAT, UH, THERE'S MOVEMENT ON THAT AND THAT, UH, YOU'LL SEE IT IN THE COMING MONTHS.
OOH, ANOTHER, AND I ANNOUNCED THIS LAST YEAR AND WE'RE COMING UP AGAIN ON BLACK HISTORY MONTH.
THERE'S A LOT OF AMAZING EVENTS HAPPENING AROUND TOWN, SO I JUST HOPE THAT FOLKS CAN GO OUT AND CELEBRATE, UM, DIFFERENT CULTURES OF LONG BEACH, PARTICULARLY AFRICAN AMERICAN AND BLACK CULTURE AND HISTORY.
WE HAVE TWO NEW COMMISSIONERS.
I DECLARE THIS MEETING ADJOURNED.