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ALLEGIANCE, PGI FLAG IN UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, INTERIOR REPUBLIC FOR RELIGIOUS, AND ONE NATION,[ROLL CALL]
INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY, JUSTICE FOR ALL RIGHT, PUBLIC COMMENT.THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION ON AGENDA ITEMS. IS THERE ANY REQUESTS?
[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
SEEING NONE.[CONSENT CALENDAR (1. – 4.)]
CALENDARS ARE ITEM ONE THROUGH FOUR.IS THERE ANY MOTION FOR SEPARATE CONSIDERATION OR ANY REQUESTS FOR YES.
UM, MR. PRESIDENT, I'D LIKE TO POLL ONE AND FOUR, PLEASE.
IS THERE A MOTION? AND SECOND FOR TWO AND THREE
[PUBLIC COMMENT Opportunity to address the Civil Service Commission on agenda items. ]
ON CONSENT.ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? REQUESTS? SEEING NONE, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.
ITEMS TWO AND THREE ARE APPROVED.
[1. 24-52307 Recommendation to approve examination results. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]
ITEM ONE.UH, MAY I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND ON ITEM ONE? OKAY.
UM, I'D LIKE TO JUST BRIEFLY GO OVER THE EXAMINATION RESULTS AND JUST CUT WITH THE CONVERSATION.
THE BIGGER CONVERSATION THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING THESE PAST, UH, FEW WEEKS, JUST LIKE TO BRING, UH, TO EVERYONE'S ATTENTION.
WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS IN THE HIRING PROCESS, AND EVEN JUST THE, THE APPLYING AND EXAM PROCESS.
SO, FOR THE FIRST ONE WE HAVE IS AIRPORT OPERATIONS SPECIALIST.
WE HAD 107 APPLY AND 28 QUALIFIED.
SO THE INTERVIEW PROCESS IS NOT MUCH DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'RE GETTING ON THE FRONT END.
SO, AGAIN, ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT I TALKED ABOUT LAST WEEK ABOUT GHOSTING, NOT SHOWING UP, YOU KNOW, NOT PASSING FOR OTHER REASONS.
TH THIS IS PART OF WHAT WE ALL HAVE TO DEAL WITH IN THIS ENVIRONMENT.
EIGHT DID NOT MEET MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS.
19 HAD INSUFFICIENT EDUCATION, 40 HAD INSUFFICIENT EXPERIENCE.
SO OUTTA THAT 40, MOVED FORWARD IN THE PROCESS.
DID NOT TAKE THE WRITTEN EXAM.
THREE DID NOT PASS THE WRITTEN EXAM.
SO, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE HIRING PROCESS, I WANT ALL OF US TO KEEP THESE NUMBERS IN MIND, BECAUSE ONCE YOU GET 28, WE HAVE SIX VACANCIES AT THE AIRPORT.
AND SO, OUT OF THOSE 28, WILL WE GET SIX THAT ARE HIRED? HOW MANY WILL SHOW UP TO THE INTERVIEW? SO ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND.
WE'LL GO TO CIVIL ENGINEERING ASSOCIATE.
WE HAVE 21 THAT APPLIED FIVE, QUALIFIED 12 DID NOT MEET MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS, AND FOUR DID NOT SUBMIT PROOFS.
SO THAT LEAVES US WITH FIVE QUALIFIED.
AND WE HAVE 6, 7, 12 VACANCIES ALTOGETHER.
WE STARTED WITH, WITH A LIST IN OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR.
AND THE MOST RECENT 1ST OF JANUARY 31ST OF THIS YEAR, 4, 3, 3 AND FOUR QUALIFIED ZERO HAVE BEEN SELECTED THUS FAR.
AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT, UM, AT THIS MEETING BEFORE, THAT THESE NUMBERS DON'T MEAN THAT PEOPLE HAVEN'T BEEN MADE OFFERS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT I JUST WANT TO BE REAL WITH THESE NUMBERS, WITH EVERYBODY.
COMBINATION BUILDING, EXPECTOR SEVEN, APPLIED FIVE WERE NOT ACCEPTED.
SO THAT LEFT US WITH TWO QUALIFIED CANDIDATES FOR SIX POSITIONS.
ONE DID NOT MEET MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS.
ONE WAS A DUPLICATE APPLICANT, ONE HAD AN INSUFFICIENT APPLICATION, AND TWO HAD INS INSUFFICIENT CERTIFICATIONS.
GARDNER 62 APPLIED 11, QUALIFIED 41 WERE NOT ACCEPTED.
13 DID NOT MEET MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS.
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HAD, UH, INSUFFICIENT APPLICATION.FIVE, INSUFFICIENT EXPERIENCE AND EDUCATION.
AND ONE WAS A DISMISSED EMPLOYEE.
SIX THAT LEFT US WITH 21 6 DID NOT REPORT TO THE WRITTEN EXAM.
FOUR DID NOT QUALIFY IN THE EXAM.
THIS IS THE HUMAN ELEMENT THAT WE CANNOT CONTROL.
THIS IS ONE THAT'S BEEN NOTORIOUSLY HARD TO FILL AND KEEP.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS MANY, MANY TIMES BEFORE.
55 APPLIED, BUT ONLY ONE WAS QUALIFIED FOR 13 VACANCIES.
ONE DID NOT MEET MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS.
15 DID NOT QUALIFY ON THE WRITTEN EXAM.
AND A WHOPPING 38 DID NOT SHOW UP TO THE EXAM.
SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THESE THINGS, AGAIN, I WILL GET BLUE IN THE FACE UNTIL WE GET IT, THAT IT'S NOT JUST A CIVIL SERVICE PROCESS.
AGAIN, I CANNOT CONTROL, NOR ANY ONE OF YOU CAN CONTROL CONTROL.
38 PEOPLE THAT DID NOT SHOW UP TO AN EXAM.
ANOTHER PUBLIC SAFETY DISPATCHER, ONE THROUGH 4, 9 1 1 48, APPLIED FIVE, QUALIFIED 13 VACANCIES.
28 DID NOT MEET MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS.
AND THREE HAD INS, INSUFFICIENT PROOFS.
OH, THAT SCHOOL GUARD THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, GUESS WHAT? THAT ONE, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT, I SAID, THIS IS THE EASIEST ONE TO HIRE FOR, RIGHT? WE HAD 16 THAT APPLIED AND 16 QUALIFIED.
YET WE'VE HAD THE LIST SINCE OCTOBER.
WE HAVE OCTOBER, NOVEMBER AND THREE LIST IN JANUARY 14, 20, 28, 26, AND 23 QUALIFIED IN ADDITION TO THESE 16 AND ZERO POSITIONS HAVE BEEN FILLED.
WE HEARD FROM MR. MOCA THE REASONS WHY SOME DIDN'T SHOW UP.
SOME, YOU KNOW, HAD, UH, CALPERS, THEY DIDN'T WANNA MESS THAT UP, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THOSE EXPLANATIONS ARE ACCEPTABLE YET.
THESE OTHER REASONS WHY PEOPLE DIDN'T SHOW UP OR THEY DIDN'T PASS THE EXAM ARE NOT ACCEPTABLE.
THERE'S A TALK ABOUT A 90 BUSINESS DAY HIRING PROCESS.
THAT'S FOUR AND A HALF MONTHS WE'RE THERE FROM OCTOBER, AND THE ZERO VACANCIES FILLED ON ALL OF THESE HAVE NOT CHANGED.
SURVEY TECHNICIAN 32, APPLIED NINE, QUALIFIED 17 WERE NOT ACCEPTED.
OUT OF THOSE SIX, DID NOT MEET MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS, INSUFFICIENT EXPERIENCE IN EDUCATION.
SEVEN, INSUFFICIENT EXPERIENCE.
THAT WAS FOUR 15 MOVED FORWARD.
THREE DID NOT REPORT TO THE EXAM.
ONE WITHDREW FROM THE PROCESS AND TWO DID NOT QUALIFY ON THE EXAM.
THAT LEFT US WITH NINE QUALIFIED FOR SIX VACANCIES.
HOWEVER, WE HAVE TWO MORE TESTS WITH A COM COMBINATION OF 25 PEOPLE FROM JANUARY.
SO AGAIN, THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE SEE HERE AND WE TALK ABOUT.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT I SEE ANY DEPARTMENT HEAD IN HERE.
I ASKED MR. MOKA TO PERHAPS MEET LATER IN THE DAY SO WE COULD ALL HEAR THIS INFORMATION.
YET I DON'T SEE ANYBODY I KNOW THAT.
I KNOW THERE'S PEOPLE REPRESENTING DEPARTMENTS.
SO THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE REPRESENTING HERE AT THIS MEETING SPECIFICALLY TO REPRESENT YOUR LEADERSHIP IN YOUR RESPECTIVE DEPARTMENT, PLEASE MAKE SURE THIS GETS BACK.
IF WE CAN'T GET THEM HERE, THIS INFORMATION NEEDS TO GET TO THEM.
UM, BEFORE WE MOVE TO COMMISSIONER UNA, CAN YOU REMIND ME, UH, 'CAUSE I THINK THERE WAS SOME ALLEGATION MADE THAT, UH, THE ZEROS WERE A MISREPRESENTATION BY, UM, THE COMMISSION, BUT REMIND ME WHEN THAT
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ZERO ACTUALLY TURNS TO A NUMBER IN THAT LAST COLUMN.SO THE ZERO, EXCUSE ME, THE ZERO TURNS TO A NUMBER WHEN WE GET AN HR ONE THAT SHOWS THAT THERE IS SOMEBODY IN PLACE, UM, THAT SOMEBODY HAS BEEN HIRED OFF OF THAT PARTICULAR REQUISITION BECAUSE, UM, THAT'S HOW WE, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WE KNOW.
WE, WE HAVE, UM, CERTAINLY IN CERTAIN EXAMS, LIKE SCHOOL GUARD, THEY'RE, WE'VE BEEN TOLD THEY'RE IN BACKGROUND PROCESSES, AND SO THEN THAT TAKES AN EXTENDED AMOUNT OF TIME.
UM, SO THEY MAY BE IN, IN A DIFFERENT PROCESS, BUT THEY JUST HAVEN'T COME ON BOARD THROUGH THE HR ONE PROCESS, WHICH IS THE ONLY VERIFICATION WE HAVE THAT SOMEONE HAS COME ON BOARD.
AND, AND AS WE'VE SAID BEFORE, WHERE, UM, I CERTAINLY COME FROM HIGHER ED, I UNDERSTAND ANYONE WORKING WITH CHILDREN OR ANYONE UNDER THE AGE MAJORITY SHOULD BE, UH, SUBJECT TO A BACKGROUND CHECK.
BUT THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO REASON OUR BACKGROUND CHECKS SHOULD TAKE MONTHS INSTEAD OF WEEKS.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S FAIRLY INSANE.
UH, COMMISSIONER OONA, COMMISSIONER GARCA, THANKS FOR BRINGING THIS THIS UP.
UM, BUT I DO WANT TO PLAY A LITTLE BIT OF DEVIL'S ADVOCATE HERE.
UM, THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE, UM, REGARDING, UH, CIVIL SERVICE AND HOW WE'RE DEALING WITH SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT ARE REAL, RIGHT? THAT ARE OUT OF OUR CONTROL, BUT THAT ARE REAL.
UM, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY DISPATCHER, WE HAD 55 FOLKS APPLIED.
54 WERE NOT ACCEPTED, ONE QUALIFIED, RIGHT? UM, I, I REALLY WANT TO KNOW, AND TWO THINGS.
UM, ARE WE DOING FOLLOW UP WITH FOLKS THAT DO NOT REPORT TO WRITTEN EXAMS? 'CAUSE WE HAD 38 FOLKS NOT REPORT TO WRITTEN EXAM.
SO, UM, MY, MY QUESTION TO THE DEPARTMENT IS WHAT KIND OF FOLLOW UP ARE WE DOING ON THAT? ARE WE DOING FOLLOW UP? UM, ARE FOLKS ABLE TO THEN COME AND DO A MAKEUP EXAM IF THEY HAD SOME REASON FOR NOT SHOWING UP TO THAT? UM, BECAUSE FOR ME, I MEAN, 38, UM, IS JUST TOO HUGE OF A NUMBER TO NOT, UM, BE LOOKING AT THAT IN, IN A VERY INTENTIONAL AND INTENSE WAY AND DO WHATEVER WE CAN AS A DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE WE ADDRESS THOSE TYPE THOSE TYPE OF ISSUES.
SO LOOKS LIKE LEVI IS READY TO RESPOND TO THAT.
THANK YOU LEVI
UM, SO WITH THE PUBLIC SAFETY DISPATCHER, UM, FOR THE NTN EXAM, WE DO GIVE CANDIDATES 60 DAYS, UM, FROM THE TIME THAT THEY'RE, UM, THEY MET THE REQUIREMENTS TO FILE TO TAKE THE TESTING.
UM, AND THEN WE ALSO DO FOLLOW UP WITH THEM, UM, CLOSER TO THAT 60 DAY MARK, UM, TO REMIND THEM THAT THEY NEED TO EITHER SIGN UP FOR THE TEST AND, YOU KNOW, SUBMIT PROOF THAT THEY'VE DONE.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, OTHERWISE WE DO HAVE TO DISPOSITION THEM BECAUSE IT'S ON A CONTINUOUS BASIS, UM, FOR US TO BE ABLE TO CAPTURE THE NUMBERS ACCURATELY.
UM, EVENTUALLY EVERYBODY DOES HAVE TO BE DISPOSITIONED, BUT WE, UM, WE HAVE WORKED TO REMIND CANDIDATES, UM, OF THIS, SO YOU PROBABLY WILL SEE THOSE BIGGER TRANCHES, UM, JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE GIVEN THE 60 DAYS.
AND IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, UM, THESE FOLKS WERE ACTUALLY GIVEN LONGER THAN 60 DAYS.
SO, UM, THE FOLKS THAT YOU'RE SEEING TODAY, THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO SUPPOSED TO HAVE TESTED, UM, BY NOVEMBER, UM, OF LAST YEAR, AND WERE IN FEBRUARY AND THEY'RE JUST NOW BEING DISPOSITIONED.
UM, SO THEY HAVE, UH, BEEN PROVIDED THOSE REMINDERS THOUGH, LEVI, AND, AND YOU MAY KNOW THIS OR MAY NOT KNOW THIS, BUT ARE, ARE YOU ASKING FOLKS WHEN THEY, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN THE TIME LAPSES AND THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO SHOW UP FOR AN EXAM, ARE WE DOING FOLLOW UP AFTER THAT? ARE WE ASKING THEM WHY WEREN'T YOU ABLE TO SHOW UP? UM, SO THAT MAYBE WE CAN CAPTURE THAT AND, AND, AND, AND WORK WITH THAT.
IF IT, IF IT BECOMES A CONSISTENT ISSUE FOR A LARGE NUMBER OF CANDIDATES AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT CIVIL SERVICE CAN ADDRESS, I'D LIKE FOR US TO LOOK AT THAT.
SO ARE YOU DOING FOLLOW UP ON THE, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT, WHEN FOLKS, THE LA THE TIME HAS LAPSED, THEY DIDN'T SHOW UP.
ARE WE DOING FOLLOW UP AND, AND, AND DOING A CALL BACK AND, AND FINDING OUT WHY FOLKS DIDN'T SHOW UP FOR THE EXAMS? BECAUSE THIS ISN'T THE ONLY ONE, RIGHT? SO THIS IS FOR THIS PARTICULAR ONE THAT I PULLED, BUT I SAW THAT, UM, THAT BEING THE REASON FOR A LOT OF FOLKS NOT MOVING FORWARD IS THAT THEY DIDN'T SHOW UP FOR EXAMS. SO, RIGHT.
ARE WE DOING THE FOLLOW UP ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT? YEAH, NO.
SO WE'RE NOT FOLLOWING UP AS TO THE REASONS WHY THEY'RE NOT SHOWING UP FOR THE EXAMS. UM, I JUST THINK, UH, IT'S MORE OF A CAPACITY ISSUE, UM, TO, TO CONTACT ALL OF THOSE FOLKS AND THEN, YOU KNOW, RECEIVE THOSE RESPONSES AND, AND BE ABLE TO TRACK THOSE ACCURATELY, UM, AS TO WHY THEY'RE NOT.
BUT WE ARE LOOKING TO CHANGE OUR,
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OUR TESTING, UM, TO WHERE, UH, WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, CANDIDATES REQUEST A FEE WAIVER, UM, SO THEY CAN JUST SHOW UP, TAKE THE TEST ONLINE, UM, WITH NO MONIES EXCHANGED.SO I'M NOT SURE IF THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, ANECDOTALLY IS A REASON.
MAYBE SOME FOLKS DON'T SHOW FOR THE TEST WHEN THEY SEE THAT THERE'S A FEE ASSOCIATED.
BUT WE HAVE BEEN PROVIDING FEE WAIVERS TO EVERYONE WHO HAS REQUESTED THAT, AND THEN WE PLACE THAT LANGUAGE, UM, HIGHER UP INTO THE, THE INITIAL EMAIL THAT THEY GET WITH THE TESTING INFORMATION, UM, SO THAT THEY'RE AWARE THAT THOSE ARE AVAILABLE.
AND THEN I PROMISE I'LL LET YOU GO OR GET TO SOMETHING ELSE.
UM, SO JUST THE, AND, AND, AND, AND JUST IN YOUR OPINION AS A STAFF MEMBER, 'CAUSE LIKE I'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT A LOT OF STUFF FROM A LOT OF FOLKS THAT ARE, THAT ARE WAY UP HERE.
UM, BUT I LOVE HEARING FROM FOLKS THAT ARE LIKE ACTUALLY DOING THE, THE WORK, RIGHT? UM, IF WE HAD MORE STAFF, DO YOU THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE AS A DEPARTMENT COULD ADDRESS AND IMPROVE IN THE PROCESS, WAS TO DO THAT FOLLOW UP AND FIND OUT WHY FOLKS AREN'T SHOWING UP IF WE HAD MORE STAFF? YES.
SO COMMISSIONER, YOU'VE ASKED SOME REALLY GOOD QUESTIONS.
UM, I MENTIONED BEFORE THAT WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LOT, AND I HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT, UH, THREE OF OUR COMMISSIONERS, UH, CURRENTLY ARE FAIRLY NEW.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS, THIS IS, AGAIN, A NOTORIOUSLY DIFFICULT POSITION TO HIRE FOR AND TO KEEP JUST BECAUSE OF THE LEVEL OF STRESS AND, AND ALL OF THAT ASSOCIATED WITH BEING, UH, A DISPATCHER.
AND SO I KNOW CRYSTAL, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS, UM, AND CRYSTAL, IF HE, I KNOW YOU'RE NOT WITH THE DEPARTMENT ANYMORE, BUT IF HE CAN COME UP AND TALK TO THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT, HAVING, UM, SOME COURSES AT LONG BEACH CITY COLLEGE TO, TO HAVE THE PROSPECTIVE CANDIDATES, UH, NOT ONLY UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT THIS JOB ENTAILS PER PERHAPS GET SOME TRAINING BEFORE, UM, APPLYING FOR THIS POSITION.
I MEAN, THERE'S MANY THINGS THAT WE, WE TALKED ABOUT, AND I DON'T REMEMBER THEM ALL, BUT I DO KNOW THAT LONG BEACH CITY COLLEGE WAS ONE OF THEM.
BUT CAN YOU REMIND US, CRYSTAL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR, FOR SPEAKING TO IT.
OOPS, SORRY, I TRYING TO, IS IT ON? I THINK IT SHOULD JUST BE ON.
GOOD MORNING CITY STAFF AND THOSE FROM THE PUBLIC.
I'M CRYSTAL SLATON, THE NEWLY APPOINTED BUREAU MANAGER OF, UH, PERSONAL OPERATIONS AND THE HUMAN RESOURCE DEPARTMENT, BUT FORMERLY STAFF AT THE CIVIL SERVICE DEPARTMENT REGARDING PUBLIC SAFETY DISPATCHER.
THAT HAS BEEN A VERY TOUGH POSITION TO RECRUIT FOR AND HIRE FOR.
I REMEMBER WHEN I FIRST CAME TO THE CIVIL SERVICE DEPARTMENT, THE DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR, UH, REGGIE HARRISON SAID, CRYSTAL, WE NEED TO FIND OTHER WAYS TO HIRE PEOPLE AND RECRUIT FOLKS BECAUSE WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE BODIES TO FILL ALL OUR VACANCIES.
AND THAT'S WHEN WE CAME UP WITH THE IDEA OF HAVING AN OPEN AND CONTINUOUS, SO IT WASN'T JUST A GIVEN TIMEFRAME, AND PEOPLE ONLY HAD, SAY, TWO OR THREE TIMES A YEAR TO APPLY FOR IT.
THIS IS NOW SOMETHING THAT IF WE'RE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY AND WE SEE SOMEONE THAT'S DISPLAYING EXCELLENT CUSTOMER SERVICE SKILLS, OR SOMEBODY WHO IS HANDLING THE PUBLIC IN A GRACIOUS WAY, AND WE'RE LIKE, WE WANT YOU TO BE A DISPATCHER.
THAT'S WHY WE NOW HAVE THAT POSITION OPEN DAILY FOR ANYBODY TO COME IN AND APPLY.
SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE TO PARTNER WITH, UM, THE COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF DISPATCHER HAS BEEN, UH, PARTNERSHIP WITH LONG BEACH CITY COLLEGE.
UH, WE'VE HOSTED, UH, EVERY SEMESTER OVER THE LAST, UH, YEAR AND A HALF, THE, UH, BIG JOB, UH, FAIR PARTNERED WITH THE CITY AND THE COLLEGE.
FROM THAT, WE'VE DONE WORKSHOPS AT LONG BEACH CITY COLLEGE THAT HAVE NOW THEN, UH, CREATED ADDITIONAL WORKSHOPS AT THE, UH, AT THE EMERGENCY OPERATION CENTER.
SO, LET ME JUST BACK THAT UP REAL QUICK.
THE, THE WORKSHOPS AT CITY COLLEGE WERE CIVIL SERVICE 1 0 1 WORKSHOPS.
THAT WAS FOR ANY PERSON TO COME AND GET AN EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY HERE AT THE CITY.
THE, UH, THE WORKSHOPS FROM THERE, AND THE VISITORS THAT WE HAD FROM THOSE EVENTS TURNED INTO PEOPLE THAT WOULD COME TO THE WORKSHOPS HOSTED BY CIVIL SERVICE AND THE DISASTER PREPAREDNESS DEPARTMENT.
UH, THOSE WORKSHOPS WERE GREAT BECAUSE THAT GAVE A PERSON AN IDEA OF WHAT IT IS TO BE A DISPATCHER, TO ACTUALLY SEE THE FACILITY, TO GET A FLAVOR OF WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE HERE AND HEAR FROM THE ACTUAL DISPATCHERS TOO.
BECAUSE EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT WE WANNA TALK TO THE PEOPLE DOING THE JOB AND, AND REALLY FEEL THAT, UM, IT'S ONE THING TO TALK TO A CIVIL SERVICE REPRESENTATIVE ABOUT THE APPLICATION AND TESTING PROCESS, BUT TO SEE WHAT THEY DO DAILY AND, AND GO THROUGH IT AND WALK AROUND THE TERMINALS AND, AND DO A SIT ALONG.
UH, SO THOSE ARE REALLY IMPORTANT PARTNERSHIPS.
THE, UM, DISASTER PREPAREDNESS TEAM HAS ALSO INVESTED IN THEIR RECRUITMENT TEAM.
SO THEY ARE NOW OUT WITH CIVIL SERVICE TEAM AND PARTNERING AND REALLY BEING AT EVERY SINGLE EVENT, WHETHER THEY'RE AT A BOOTH, SHARING IT WITH US AT THE COMMUNITY EVENT, OR THEY'RE AT THE JOB FAIRS, BUT THEY'RE REALLY SPREADING
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THEIR WORD.THEY'RE TRYING TO GET THE WORD OUT MORE ABOUT WHY IT'S SUCH A WONDERFUL JOB TO BE, UH, A DISPATCHER HERE IN THE CITY OF LONG BEACH.
BUT IT IS A VERY EXCRUCIATING TRAINING PROGRAM.
THERE IS A LENGTHY BACKGROUND PROCESS FOR IT.
SO, UH, FINDING THOSE PEOPLE, YOU MAY START OFF WITH THIS HUGE APPLICANT POOL, BUT ONCE THEY GO THROUGH EACH INDIVIDUAL PROCESS, IT'S, IT'S HARD TO SEE THAT PERSON IN THE CHAIR AFTER THEIR PROBATION PERIOD NOW WORKING AS A, AS A BODY.
AND SO, UM, THAT SPEAKS TO THE, THE ROOT OF THINGS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS THAT.
UM, AND SO IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE THE, THE WHYS.
AND WE'VE, WE'VE ASKED, NOT ONLY FOR, UM, PEOPLE WHO DON'T SHOW UP, BUT, UH, RESIGNATIONS, WHY ARE PEOPLE LEAVING THE CITY? RIGHT? WE WANNA KNOW ALL OF THESE THINGS BECAUSE THAT TELLS US A STORY, AND IT TELLS US PERHAPS HOW TO FIND SOLUTIONS TO THAT.
UM, SO, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LIMITED WITH, WITH STAFF ON THAT AFTER A PART.
BUT ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO ON THE BEFORE SIDE, UM, WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, AND, YOU KNOW, WE'LL CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT DEFINED SOLUTIONS BECAUSE THAT IS A, IS A CRUCIAL ROLE IN THE CITY FOR OUR CITIZENS.
UM, BUT ALSO VERY, VERY DIFFICULT, LIKE CRYSTAL SAID.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, CRYSTAL, FOR JOGGING THAT MEMORY, JUST TO COMMENT ON THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK ABOUT BEING INNOVATIVE AND CREATIVE.
UM, ONCE UPON A TIME, UH, I HAD TO FIND GANG MEMBERS JOBS, SO I DID A LOT OF WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, I WORK WITH MOST OF THE MAJOR TRADES IN LA COUNTY, AND ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT WAS THAT WE ACTUALLY WERE ABLE TO PARTNER UP, UM, THE ORGANIZATION I USED TO WORK FOR, UM, ONE OF THE BIG, UH, TRADE UNIONS AND THE EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM.
UM, BECAUSE THE TRADE UNION HAD A CERTAIN NEED, JUST LIKE THE CITY HAS A CERTAIN NEED.
I, I HEAR ABOUT THESE CERTAIN POSITIONS WHERE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, DOZENS OF VACANCIES FOR A POSITION, RIGHT? SO THERE'S A NEED FOR THIS CERTAIN SKILLSET, AND WE AS A CITY ARE GOING OUT THERE TRYING TO HUNT IT DOWN INSTEAD OF WORKING WITH SOME OF OUR LOCAL EDUCATION PARTNERS AND TAKING SOME TIME, BECAUSE THIS ISN'T A QUICK FIX, BUT THIS IS A GOOD FIX IN MY EXPERIENCE, TAKING THE TIME TO INVEST IN TRAINING FOLKS TO THE EXACT SKILLSET THAT WE NEED HERE IN THE CITY OF LONG BEACH AROUND THESE CERTAIN POSITIONS THAT HAVE DOZENS OF VACANCIES THAT WE SAY THERE'S DOZENS OF VACANCIES BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE WITH THE SKILL SETS.
AND WE MAKE IT REALLY DIFFICULT ON OURSELVES GOING OUT AND TRYING TO HUNT IT DOWN WHEN WE COULD ACTUALLY BE CREATING, FOSTERING AND CULTIVATING THAT SKILLSET FOR FOLKS RIGHT HERE WITHIN OUR CITY WITH OUR EDUCATIONAL PARTNERS LIKE LONG BEACH CITY COLLEGE, LIKE CAL STATE LONG BEACH, OTHER FOLKS LIKE THAT, PARTNERING UP WITH NONPROFITS AND, AND SAYING, THIS IS THE EXACT SKILLSET THAT WE NEED.
I DON'T KNOW WHY WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THAT IN A VERY INTENTIONAL WAY.
I'M TALKING ABOUT A LONG TERM NON-GRANT FUNDED TYPE OF DEAL WHERE WE SAY, THIS IS WORTH INVESTING IN THE LONG TERM.
WE'RE WE'RE WILLING TO INVEST IN OUR LOCAL TALENT DEVELOPING THE SKILLSET THAT WE NEED, AND WE WANNA DO IT THROUGH LOCAL PARTNERS.
THAT SEEMS LIKE PRETTY COMMON SENSE TO ME.
IT'S NOT THAT CREATIVE, IT'S NOT THAT INNOVATIVE, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WORKS.
MAYBE IT'S CREATIVE AND INNOVATIVE FOR LONG BEACH.
I HAVEN'T DONE MUCH WORK HERE, ALTHOUGH I'VE LIVED HERE MOST OF MY LIFE.
SO, UM, JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE AS WELL, THAT THERE ARE SOME SPACES WHERE WE CAN COLLABORATE, PARTNER UP AND BRING SOME SOLUTIONS TO THIS PROBLEM THAT WE ALL SHARE.
I JUST, UH, TO RESPOND TO THAT, COMMISSIONER ASUNA, WE HAVE MET WITH WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT AT THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE TO TALK ABOUT CREATING, UM, CURRICULUM TO MEET THOSE SPECIFIC NEEDS.
SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE STARTED THOSE CONVERSATIONS, UM, AND THAT WAS AT, UM, THE, THE ENTREE WITH COMMISSIONER GARCA SHARED WITH US.
AND SO WE HAVE STARTED THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND ABSOLUTELY AGREE THAT IT IS A, UM, A NATURAL PROGRESSION FROM THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE.
YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY SAY, WELL, WHAT KIND OF JOB AM I GONNA DO? WELL, LET'S TRAIN TO THE JOB BECAUSE WE KNOW WHAT THE SKILL SET IS AND WE HAVE, AND IT'S IN THAT PUBLIC SAFETY AREA.
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YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE A POLICE OFFICER, BUT YOU WOULD BE INTERESTED IN BEING A DISPATCHER.SO YES, WE HAVE STARTED THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND WE'LL CONTINUE THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
UH, THIS IS ACTUALLY APPROACHING MY WORLD, BUT, UH, THERE'S ACTUALLY SOMEONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD PROBABLY BE EVEN MORE OF AN EXPERT ON COMMUNITY COLLEGES THAN I AM.
UH, THERE HAS BEEN A LARGE PUSH, UH, TOWARDS CAREER EDUCATION, THOUGH.
UM, THAT'S SORT OF A RECLAIMING A SPACE THAT FOR A WHILE, UH, HIGHER ED WAS MOVING AWAY FROM.
AND SO I DO THINK THE COMMUNITY COLLEGES ARE, HAVE RENEWED INTEREST IN THAT, UM, WHERE THERE WASN'T AS MUCH INTEREST FOR A COUPLE DECADES, UM, IN THAT SORT OF COLLABORATION.
UM, ARE WE READY TO VOTE? OKAY.
I MAY HAVE TO GIVE YOU MY, I NAVIGATED LOT TO A DIFFERENT SCREEN, SO NOW I'M GOT NOT GETTING THE MOTION OR A SECOND, BUT I MAY JUST HAVE TO GIVE YOU MY VOTE BY VOICE.
OH, IT WORKED, IT JUST, ALRIGHT, ITEM ONE, CARRIES.
[4. 24-52315 Recommendation to approve extension of expiring eligible lists. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]
FOUR, WHICH IS RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE EXTENSION OF EXPIRING ELIGIBLE LISTS.MAY I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND? COMMISSIONER GARCA.
SO, AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, NOT ONLY DO WE LOOK AT OUTSIDE FACTORS, BUT WE LOOK AT OUR OWN HOUSE, AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE EXAMPLES WHERE I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT OUR OWN HOUSE.
WE HAVE A, A LONG LIST OF EXPIRING ELIGIBLE LISTS.
UM, AND WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE NEED TO EXPIRE SOME LIST, UH, PRIOR TO THEIR NATURAL EXPIRATION.
IT SAYS THAT, UH, STAFF HAS BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH DEPARTMENTS REGARDING THESE EXTENT, THESE LISTS.
CAN SOMEONE TALK TO THESE LISTS AND THE COMMUNICATION WITH THE DEPARTMENTS AND WHAT THAT FEEDBACK WAS ON THESE SPECIFIC LISTS, UH, FOR, FROM TODAY? UM, I DON'T KNOW IF CAPRICE HAS ANY INFORMATION ON THAT.
SO EACH ANALYST THAT HAS RESPONSIBILITY FOR THOSE DEPARTMENTS, THEY SEE THIS LIST AND THEY COMMUNICATE WITH THEIR DEPARTMENTS AND THE DEPARTMENT COMMUNICATES BACK WITH THEM.
SO IT DOESN'T COME BACK TO ME, BUT, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF STAFF HAS ANY RESPONSES TO THAT.
I'D ACTUALLY LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS PARTICULAR, UM, AGENDA STAFF, UM, WERE LOST FOR TIME BECAUSE THEY WERE RESPONDING.
THEY PRETTY MUCH HAD TO DROP EVERYTHING.
SO, UM, SINCE OCTOBER, UH, WE HAVE TRYING TO TRANSITION EXPIRING ELIGIBLE LIST BACK TO ADMIN SUPPORT TEAM.
SO ROBERT WILLIAMS HAS BEEN DOING A GREAT JOB AND HE'S BEEN, UH, RELYING ON STAFF TO HELP GIVE SOME ASSISTANCE.
BUT IN THIS CASE, UM, THE, THE CAPACITY LEVEL TO BE ABLE FOR THEM TO HELP AND PROVIDE SOME ASSISTANCE THERE WERE LOST OF TIME.
SO THEY, UH, OPTED TO EXTEND SOME THAT THEY FELT THAT NEEDED TO BE LOOKED AT.
UM, AND THEY COMMUNICATED TO THE DEPARTMENTS THAT, UM, WE'VE, THIS IS A EXTENSION TO GIVE THEM TIME TO LOOK AT.
AND I PERSONALLY WAS NOT ABLE TO WEIGH ON THAT.
AND I'M ACTUALLY TRYING TO, UH, AT SOME POINT BE, UH, REMOVED FROM THAT BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY SOMETHING THAT, UM, EMPLOYMENT SERVICES WERE, WE'RE THERE TO HELP CREATE AND, UH, GO OUT AND FILL VACANCIES.
BUT ONCE THE ELIGIBLE LIST ARE ESTABLISHED, YOU KNOW, THE EXPECTATION IS, UM, OUR ADMIN SUPPORT TEAM WOULD HANDLE THAT.
BUT RIGHT NOW, STAFF IS STILL WORKING WITH, UM, THEM AT THE LEVEL, AND AT SOME POINT I HAVE TO ALLOW THEM TO DO THE WORK.
THIS IS ONE OF THOSE AREAS THAT, UH, IF A DEPARTMENT SEES A LIST THAT THEY DON'T BELIEVE SHOULD BE EXTENDED, THIS IS WHERE WE WANNA HEAR, RIGHT? AND SO WE CANNOT, AS A COMMISSION BE RESPONSIBLE FOR KNOWING WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE, IN THE DEPARTMENT.
AND SO I SEE THESE LISTS, AND I KNOW THESE LISTS HAVE BEEN A HOT TOPIC AMONGST, UH, DEPARTMENTS AND WHETHER THEY GO STALE OR NOT, OR, YOU KNOW, THERE'S DIFFERENT OPINIONS TO IT, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE.
THIS IS WHERE WE NEED TO BE COMMUNICATED WITH.
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SO WE KNOW, IS THERE AN ISSUE WITH APPROVING THIS EXTENSION OR SO, COMMISSIONER GAR, I WILL TELL YOU THAT WE DO, WE DO SEND THE INFORMATION, WE SURVEY THE DEPARTMENTS.THE DEPARTMENTS DO GIVE US THE FEEDBACK ON WHAT THEY, WHETHER THEY WANT THE LIST EXTENDED OR NOT, RIGHT? AND THEY'LL GIVE US THAT INFORMATION.
AND SO IT'S THEN BASED ON THAT INFORMATION IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE, WITH STAFF, LOOKING AT THE, UM, ELIGIBLE LIST, UM, AND THE UTILIZATION.
SO THERE'S A COMBINATION, BUT THEN WHAT WE HAD PUT IN PLACE IS THEN FOR OUR STAFF TO RETURN TO THE DEPARTMENT AND SAY, WE AGREE WITH, OR WE SPECIFIC MORE SPECIFICALLY, WE DON'T AGREE, AND THIS IS WHY.
AND SO THEN THAT DISCUSSION HAPPENS BETWEEN THE ANALYST AND THE DEPARTMENT.
SO THERE IS, THERE IS THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE DEPARTMENT TO TELL US ABOUT HOW, IF THEY WANT IT EXTENDED OR NOT, AND THEN ALSO FOR US TO COMMUNICATE BACK TO THEM WHY WE'RE PERHAPS EXTENDING IT.
AND SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THE DEPARTMENT HAS COMMUNICATION, CIVIL SERVICE HAS COMMUNICATION WITH THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS.
I UNDERSTAND THAT WE DO THE WORK FOR IT.
I THINK MY CONCERN IS THAT AT LAST WEEK'S MEETING, UH, THE ONE BEFORE THAT, WE HEAR ABOUT THESE LISTS SO MUCH THAT IF SOMETHING ISN'T WORKING WITH A COMMUNICATION OR IF DEPARTMENTS DON'T THINK THEY'RE GETTING HEARD RIGHT NOW, I, I KNOW CIVIL SERVICE DOESN'T WORK.
I SEE YOU GUYS
BUT IF I'M HEARING AS A COMMISSIONER THAT THERE'S ISSUES WITH THESE LISTS AND NO ONE'S TALKING TO US WHEN IT'S ON THE AGENDA, THEN THAT'S WHEN IT BECOMES A THING WHERE, WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN? OKAY, YOU'VE COMMUNICATED WITH THE DEPARTMENT, BUT YOU'RE STILL NOT SEEING, IF YOU'RE NOT SEEING WHAT YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT, THEN THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME TALK TO US.
WELL, I, I THINK THEN THAT INVITES, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND THE INTERJECTION.
UM, IS THERE ANYONE WHO HAS A CONCERN ABOUT ANY OF THESE LISTS BEING EXTENDED? YES.
AND BEFORE THEY COME UP, I HAVE A COMMENT.
UH, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND WAITING FOR VICE PRESIDENT GORDON PETERSON, THEN WE'LL HEAR FROM BOTH OF YOU.
SAY THAT RESPONSE FOR A MOMENT.
I WANNA ADD FOR THE RECORD THAT I HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT LISTS THAT ARE DATING BACK TO 20, I WANT TO SAY AND GO ON RECORD THAT I HAVE CONCERN FOR LISTS THAT ARE DATING BACK TO 2021.
SO I EXPECT US TO DISCUSS THEM.
UH, WE DO, I WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH CIVIL SERVICE TO REVIEW THE LIST.
UH, ROBERT'S BEEN DOING A GREAT JOB OF REACHING OUT TO US AHEAD OF TIME TO REVIEW THE LIST AT LEAST A COUPLE WEEKS IN ADVANCE TO GIVE OUR DEPARTMENT AN OPPORTUNITY, AND THE DEPARTMENTS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE THE FEEDBACK.
THERE IS ONE LIST TODAY THAT WE REQUESTED NOT BE EXTENDED, AND IT WAS EXTENDED AT LEAST ANOTHER MONTH BECAUSE WE WERE INFORMED THAT THERE WAS POLLING THAT STILL NEEDED TO TAKE PLACE DESPITE MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE LIST NOT BEING VIABLE.
AND THIS REFERS TO THE COMMUNITY SERVICES ASSISTANT LIST.
WE HAVE REACHED OUT MULTIPLE TIMES AND HAVE PROVIDED FEEDBACK WITH REGARD TO THAT LIST PERTAINING TO THE, UM, POOL MISUNDERSTANDING WHAT THE ACTUAL POSITION WAS.
UM, AND WE HAVE DISCUSSED INTERNALLY ABOUT, UM, REVAMPING HOW WE DESCRIBE THE POSITION, INCLUDING SOME, UM, MATERIALS IN THE BROCHURE, UH, LIKE A BROCHURE WITH THE BULLETIN SO THAT PEOPLE TRULY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE POSITION REQUIRES.
THIS IS THE FIELD BASED POSITION.
MOST PEOPLE ON THE ELIGIBLE LIST UNDERSTOOD IT TO BE SOMETHING OF AN INTERNAL, UM, CALL TAKING TYPE OF POSITION AND NOT BEING IN THE FIELD, RESPONDING FOR CALLS, UM, NONVIOLENT CALLS FOR SERVICE.
UH, WE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH OUR I AM REPRESENTATION TO DEVELOP THIS POSITION TO PROVIDE SOME SUPPORT.
AND SO WHEN WE REACHED OUT TO THE LIST, WE HAD A CONTINUOUS LIST THAT PRODUCED TWO ELIGIBLE LISTS.
WE HAD A LARGE NUMBER OF FOLKS THAT UPON INTERVIEWING AND, UM, LEARNING MORE WHAT THE POSITION ACTUALLY WAS, DECLINED TO MOVE FORWARD IN THE PROCESS BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T BELIEVE THAT WAS A POSITION.
UH, WE HAD OTHERS THAT MOVED FORWARD AND LIKE WITHIN THE FIRST COUPLE OF WEEKS OF STARTING THE POSITION DECIDED TO RESIGN BECAUSE IT WAS A BIT OUT OF THE SCOPE OF WHAT THEY THOUGHT THEY COULD HANDLE.
THE OTHER PIECE WAS WHEN WE WERE DOING THE ACTUAL INTERVIEWING PROCESS, ONE OF THE THINGS WE LOOK FOR IS PEOPLE'S ABILITY TO HAVE GOOD JUDGMENT.
AND WE HAD FOLKS THAT WERE CONDUCTING THEIR INTERVIEWS WHILE THEY WERE DRIVING SOME, YOU KNOW, CONCERNS ABOUT SAFETY AND BOUNDARIES AND GOOD JUDGMENT, UH, FOR BEING A FIRST LINE RESPONDER.
SO A LOT OF THE FOLKS WERE NOT SELECTED FOR THIS POSITION.
AND SO THE LAST TIME WE HAD THE LIST WAS ABOUT A YEAR AGO.
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WE ARE INTERNALLY TALKING ABOUT EXPANDING THIS MODEL, AND WE HAVE SIX VACANCIES THAT WE TRULY NEED TO FILL.AND SO THE LONGER THAT THE LIST GETS EXTENDED, IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT FOR US TO START A NEW RECRUITMENT PROCESS FOR THAT.
SO WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU UNDERSTAND KIND OF THAT THERE IS CONVERSATIONS HAPPENING, BUT THAT, UH, ULTIMATELY WHAT WE MAY PROVIDE US FEEDBACK IS NOT NECESSARILY WHAT COMES FORWARD TO THE COMMISSION.
SO, SO IF I UNDERSTAND, UM, JUST TO SUMMARIZE, UM, YOU THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A NEW APPROACH IN RECRUITMENT, UM, THAT PROBABLY MAYBE IDENTIFYING WHAT GOES INTO THAT BULLETIN, ALL OF THAT YES, SIR.
PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE WORKED IF THIS EXPIRES.
YOU UNDERSTAND, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO HIRE ANYONE OFF OF THAT LIST, BUT YOU ARE CONFIDENT THAT THERE IS NO ONE TO HIRE OFF OF THAT LIST.
AND THIS MAY TAKE A MATTER OF MONTHS TO DO THIS WHOLE PROCESS AGAIN, BUT YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT AS A DEPARTMENT? YES, AND WE'VE TALKED TO, UM, OUR ANALYST ABOUT IT.
THE TEST IS ALREADY AVAILABLE AND READY TO GO.
AND SO I THINK IT'S JUST A TESTING COMPONENT, NOT A INTERVIEW PROCESS OR WRITING EXERCISE.
SO WE'RE CONFIDENT IT, THE TURNAROUND TIME FOR THE RECRUITMENT PIECE WOULD NOT TAKE TOO LONG.
OF COURSE, OUR BACKGROUND PROCESS IS ALWAYS LENGTHY.
UM, AND THEN WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS ALSO GOING TO IMPACT OTHER FEEDER CLASSIFICATIONS LIKE PARKING CONTROL CHECKER.
NORMALLY, WE, WE DO SEE A LOT OF FOLKS FROM THAT.
SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE DEPARTMENT, UM, WITH CIVIL SERVICE TO LET THEM KNOW THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS GOING TO IMPACT THOSE POTENTIAL CLASSIFICATIONS, UH, FOR VACANCIES AS WELL.
I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU DID THE WORK, YOU DID THE THINKING.
UM, SO I APPRECIATE THAT, UM, THAT AT LEAST TO ME SUGGESTS THAT COMMISSION.
WE MIGHT, UH, WE MIGHT CONSIDER WHETHER TO EXCLUDE THIS ONE FROM OUR CONSIDERATION.
UH, YES, COMMISSIONER GORDON PETERSON.
AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT SOME OF THE LIST FOR SPECIAL SERVICES OFFICER AND SOME OF OUR POLICE RECRUIT, WE JUST STARTED A CLASS THIS, UH, YESTERDAY, MONDAY, TODAY'S WEDNESDAY, MONDAY, A POLICE RECRUIT CLASS.
SO WE DID HAVE SOME NAMES THAT WE HAD PULLED FROM POLICE RECRUIT, SOME FOLKS THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH A LENGTHY BACKGROUND PROCESS.
AND SO WE MIGHT STILL HAVE THOSE LISTS KEPT ALIVE BECAUSE WE'VE HAD TO CREATE, UM, NEW REQUISITIONS WHEN THEY EXPIRE, IF THEY WERE LIKE A, A FY 22 WRECK.
SO IN THOSE CASES, IF WE HAVE NAMES TIED TO THEM OR WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE CYCLING INTO ANOTHER CLASS, WE WILL RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR THOSE PARTICULAR LIST TO BE EXTENDED.
ALSO, I WANNA THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THE CALL
UM, BUT MOST OF ALL, AGAIN, I WANNA THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THE CALL TO STEP UP AND SPEAK UP ABOUT YOUR DEPARTMENT SO WE CAN HELP WITH THE SOLUTIONS.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.
UH, COMMISSIONER GORDON PETERSON, UM, I'D LIKE TO ASK STAFF WHO, WHO WAS THE ANALYST WORKING WITH YOU? CAN YOU STEP MA'AM, COME BACK TO THE PODIUM, PLEASE? YEAH, GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONER GORDON PETERSON.
SO THE TWO OF YOU HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PARTICULAR LIST.
AND, UM, IT WAS COMMUNICATED TO, TO YOU THAT THIS WAS NO LONGER A VIABLE LIST AND THEY WANTED TO GO IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION.
WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS SEVERAL TIMES OVER THE COURSE OF A FEW MONTHS.
UH, UM, AND THE CONVERSATION WAS REGARDING THE USE OF THE LIST, AND WE, WE UNDERSTOOD THE, THE CHALLENGES THAT THE DEPARTMENT WAS GOING THROUGH.
UH, HOWEVER, UM, IN THE LAST CONVERSATION, UM, WE, WE DID, UH, PROMISE A POLLING THAT HADN'T TAKEN PLACE.
AND WE WERE ISSUED, UM, A, A, A BLANKET DIRECTIVE FOR SOME OF THE CLASSIFICATIONS TO EXTEND THEM BY A MONTH TO ALLOW FOR THE DUE DILIGENCE POLLING.
UM, BECAUSE THIS LIST INCLUDES STILL, UM, THERE, THERE WERE TWO LISTS THAT WERE PRODUCED FROM THIS, UH, RECRUITMENT.
AND THERE ARE QUITE A, A NUMBER OF PEOPLE ON THE LIST.
AND WHILE WE ABSOLUTELY TRUST THE DEPARTMENT, IT WAS JUST SOME DUE DILIGENCE POLLING THAT WE NEEDED TO, TO DO FOR OUR OWN RECORDS.
UM, THAT DOESN'T, UH, PRECLUDE THE DEPARTMENT FROM GOING THROUGH WITH THE, YOU KNOW, BEGINNING STAGES OF THE RECRUITMENT PROCESS.
UH, HAVING A LIST ALIVE FOR ANOTHER MONTH OR SO DOESN'T PRECLUDE THE DEPARTMENT FROM DOING OUR BACKGROUND PROCESS FOR, YOU KNOW, OUR BACKGROUND
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ANALYSIS FOR THE BULLETIN ITSELF.UH, IT JUST MEANS THAT THE LIST IS OPEN SO THAT WE CAN DO OUR DILIGENCE SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT, UM, EVERYBODY WAS REACHED AND WE CAN HAVE APPROPRIATE RECORDS IN YO GOV.
UH, THIS SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A FAILURE TO COMMUNICATE, UM, BE BE BECAUSE, UM, I BELIEVE THE INFORMATION YOU'RE GIVING ME, AND I BELIEVE THE INFORMATION THAT I'M RECEIVING ALSO.
UH, BUT THE PROBLEM HERE IS THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT THE LIST EXTENDED AND WE'RE EXTENDING THE LIST BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE HOUSEKEEPING TO DO.
SO THAT COMMUNICATION PIECE NEEDS TO BE GIVEN AND RECEIVED.
BOTH OF YOU WOULD NEED TO GIVE THE INFORMATION TO RECEIVE THE INFORMATION.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU JUST SIMPLY NEEDED TO EXTEND THE LIST FOR HOUSEKEEPING, WE WOULD COMMUNICATE THAT TO THE DEPARTMENT, AND THEN THE DEPARTMENT WOULD THEN BEGIN PREPARING FOR THE NEXT ITERATION.
THEY'RE TELLING YOU THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THE LIST DON'T UNDERSTAND THE POSITION BECAUSE IT'S, IT HASN'T BEEN MARKETED APPROPRIATELY.
THAT COMES FROM THE DEPARTMENT.
THEY DETERMINE WHAT GOES INTO THE MARKETING PIECE, AND I KNOW YOU ALL WORK WITH THEM, RIGHT? SO THEY'VE IDENTIFIED THAT THEY'VE CREATED AN ERROR, MEANING THEY DIDN'T GIVE ENOUGH INFORMATION FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE APPLYING TO APPLY FOR THE CORRECT JOB.
THEY'VE IDENTIFIED WHERE THEY FAILED, SO THEY WANT TO FIX IT.
WHAT WE NEED, AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE HEARING, MM-HMM,
SO WE NEED TO TELL OUR, OUR CUSTOMER THAT, YES, PLEASE PROCEED.
AND THE PREPARATION FOR THE NEW LISTING, AND THIS ONE IS JUST BEING EXTENDED SO WE CAN DO HOUSEKEEPING BECAUSE YOU SAID IT DOESN'T PRECLUDE THEM FROM MOVING FORWARD.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO, SO WHAT I, I SEE THAT THERE'S A FAILURE TO COMMUNICATE HERE.
SO RESPECTFULLY, UM, UHHUH,
AND WE HAVE HAD THE CONVERSATION THAT EXTENSION OF, OF EX OF, UM, ELIGIBLE IS, DOES NOT PRECLUDE, UM, A, A, A LIST, A RECRUITMENT FROM, UH, CONTINUING, OR AT LEAST THE BEGINNING OF THAT FROM THE BEGINNING, RIGHT? I, I GET THAT.
BUT YOUR CUSTOMER DIDN'T HEAR THAT, THAT THAT'S WHAT THE PROBLEM THAT I SEE IS I, I GET IT.
MM-HMM,
SO SOMEONE WAS ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
I'M NOT SAYING SHE DIDN'T RECEIVE THE EMAIL, THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING.
JUST TO LOOK AT HER THAT I, I'M JUST SAYING THAT YOUR CUSTOMER, BY WAY OF BEING AT THIS PODIUM AND SAYING THEY DON'T WANT THE LIST EXTENDED, DID NOT UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WERE ONLY GOING TO EXTEND IT FOR HOUSEKEEPING PURPOSES.
THERE WAS A MISSED DISCONNECT.
AND THAT IS WHAT IS CONTINUING.
WHEN AN EMAIL DOESN'T GET THE POINT ACROSS, WE NEED TO PICK UP THE PHONE OR GET IN THE SAME ROOM SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT EVERYONE IS HEARING AND RECEIVING.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE POINT I MAKE.
THAT'S WHY I ASK HER TO COME BACK TO THE PODIUM, BECAUSE I BELIEVE YOU TWO ARE TALKING.
I JUST BELIEVE THAT THE COMMUNICATION HAS, HAS BEEN DISJOINTED.
UM, SO WE CERTAINLY AS A COMMISSION RESPECT YOUR NEED TO DO HOUSEKEEPING, AND WE RESPECT THE DEPARTMENT'S NEED TO MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE SHE'S TELLING YOU IT'S NOT WORKING.
AND SO WHAT I WANT TO SEE FROM BOTH OF YOU IS THAT YOU ARE COMMUNICATING EFFECTIVELY WHERE YOU BOTH UNDERSTAND WHAT THE INTENT IS AND WHERE WE'RE GOING FORWARD.
I AGREE WITH YOU THAT YOU NEED TO MOVE ON BECAUSE THIS ISN'T MEETING YOUR NEEDS.
BUT I NEED YOU TWO TO TALK SO THAT WHEN IT HITS HERE, THAT CONVERSATION'S BEEN HELD, AND SHE'S NOT COMING TO THE PODIUM TELLING US THAT SHE DOESN'T WANT THE LIST EXTENDED.
SHE'S COMING TO THE PODIUM SAYING, OH, WELL, WE'RE ONLY GONNA EXTEND IT BY 30 DAYS BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THAT WE CAN PROCEED.
AM I CORRECT? DID YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? AM I CORRECT WITH YOUR COMMUNICATION WITH MARIA? YES.
UM, I WAS NOT AWARE THAT POLLING WAS THE REQUIREMENT TO LET A REALISTIC EXPIRE, WHICH IS WHY I WAS INQUIRING WHY WE NEEDED TO EXTEND IT.
BUT, BUT THE, IN THE COMMUNICATION PROCESS, MAYBE PER, PERHAPS CIVIL SERVICE HAS TO DO THE POLLING TO MEET THEIR DIRECTOR'S, UH, UH, REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS.
AND PERHAPS THERE'S SOMETHING EMBEDDED AS TO WHY THEY HAVE TO DO THE POLLING BEFORE THEY CAN CLOSE IT OFF, AND, AND THAT'S JUST COMMUNICATION.
UH, AND IT, BUT, BUT IT SOUNDS TO ME THAT YOU CAN KEEP MOVING ON SO THAT WE CAN GET THIS, THESE POSTINGS DONE AND TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT THE PEOPLE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO, TO GET TO COME IN ARE COMING IN.
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THAT COMMUNICATION PROCESS TO BE EFFECTIVE.AND THE ONLY WAY COMMUNICATION IS EFFECTIVE IS WHEN THE PERSON THAT'S RECEIVING THE INFORMATION UNDERSTANDS WHAT THE PERSON THAT IS SAYING.
I JUST WANNA ADD, UM, MARIA AND I DO COMMUNICATE ON A REGULAR BASIS.
THINK, I THINK ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, WE JUST ARE NOT IN AGREEMENT WITH HOW IT'S BEING APPROACHED.
AND I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND, BUT YOU SEE FROM HER PERSPECTIVE, SHE'S JUST DOING HOUSEKEEPING AND YOU CAN PROCEED.
SO, I MEAN, I HAVE A QUESTION.
WHAT, WHAT IS PULLING A LIST INTENDED TO DO? IT'S INTENDED TO IDENTIFY WHAT, YEAH, AN IF YOU WANNA ANSWER THE QUESTION, UM, IF I CAN RESPOND.
DO YOU WANT MARIA? SO, SO MARIA? YES.
SO FOR, UM, FOR A POLLING, SORRY, I'M SORRY.
SO, POLLING A LIST IS, UH, INTENDED TO IDENTIFY CANDIDATES ON THE LIST THAT ARE STILL INTERESTED, UH, IN REMAINING ON THE LIST.
SO, UM, SOMETIMES FOR WHATEVER REASON, FOR CAREER PLANNING OR FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY DIDN'T RECEIVE THE MESSAGE, UM, X AMOUNT OF REASONS.
SOMEBODY ON A LIST MAY NOT HAVE RECEIVED THEIR INVITATION TO, UH, AN INTERVIEW.
THEY MAY HAVE NOT HAVE RECEIVED THIS COMMUNICATION THAT CAME FROM THE DEPARTMENT.
AND SO THOSE PEOPLE WHO WE FEEL MAY HAVE GHOSTED US INITIALLY, UH, MAY NOT HAVE REALLY GHOSTED US.
THEY MAY HAVE JUST NOT RECEIVED THE MESSAGE.
UM, SOMETHING MAY HAVE HAPPENED, THEY MAY HAVE HAD AN ILLNESS, ET CETERA.
AND THEN, UM, THOSE PEOPLE MAY STILL BE INTERESTED IN A, IN A JOB IN THAT PARTICULAR JOB.
AND THAT EXCLUDES THE PEOPLE THAT MAY BE, YOU KNOW, UM, AND THAT MAY INCLUDE AND EXCLUDE THE PEOPLE THAT, UH, ARE, HAVE ALREADY BEEN INTERVIEWED AND YOU KNOW, ALREADY IN, YOU KNOW, UM, WE, THEY ALREADY UNDERSTAND THE SCOPE OF THE JOB THAT IS, THAT IS THE FIELD JOB, ET CETERA.
BUT IT MAY ALSO INCLUDE THOSE PEOPLE THAT DON'T REALLY KNOW YET ABOUT THE JOB, OR THAT DO UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S A FIELD JOB AND MAY BE INTERESTED IN THIS PARTICULAR JOB.
SO THE POLLING WILL IDENTIFY INTEREST IN THE LIST.
SO SINCE THESE LISTS WERE PRETTY HEFTY, THERE WAS A 110 ON ONE LIST, AND 75, I BELIEVE ON THE OTHER LIST, SINCE THEY WERE SO HEFTY, UM, THERE COULD STILL BE A POOL OF PEOPLE THAT ARE VIABLE FOR, UH, SELECTION STILL, UM, FROM THAT POLLING, IT COULD RESULT IN THAT.
I'M NOT SAYING IT WILL, UH, BUT IT, IT'S A POSSIBILITY THAT THEY COULD, BUT, AND THAT COULD HOLD OVER SOME PEOPLE ON THE LIST WHILE WE RUN THE NEW RECRUITMENT.
SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, UM, A POSSIBILITY THERE.
UM, SO IT'S, IT'S IT'S DATA GATHERING.
AND WHAT I, FROM WHAT I'M HEARING, WHICH THIS IS WHY THESE CONVERSATIONS ARE, ARE SO GOOD TO HAVE, IS I'M SEEING AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE A SOLUTION SOMEWHERE, BECAUSE I DO SEE THAT THIS LIST, THERE WAS 75 ON THIS PARTICULAR LIST AND TWO WERE SELECTED.
UM, SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WITH A SMALL NUMBER OF HIREES FROM THAT LIST.
AND SO WHAT I SEE HERE IS, UH, WHAT ELSE HAS ALREADY MENTIONED, UM, NEW MARKETING STRATEGY, RIGHT? UM, CLARIFYING WHAT THE POSITION ENTAILS.
UM, AND ALSO THAT, THAT DATA GATHERING THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO TELL IS A STORY.
UM, BUT THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY HERE, AND THERE MIGHT BE A, A MISS WITH 73 PEOPLE THAT EITHER DIDN'T SHOW UP, DIDN'T INTERVIEW WELL, DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE POSITION, RIGHT? THOSE MUST BE SOME HIGH NUMBERS.
AND SO WHAT CAN WE DO? SO 73 PEOPLE ARE, ARE MORE AWARE OF WHAT THE POSITION ENTAILS OF, OR BETTER PREPARED TO INTERVIEW FOR THE POSITION, OR IF THEY DIDN'T GET THE INFORMATION, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW DO THEY MAYBE GET COMMUNICATED WITH, UH, BUT THERE'S CERTAINLY AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO FIX THIS.
AND IF, IF THERE'S TRULY 73 PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT VIABLE BECAUSE THEY DON'T FIT WITHIN WHAT THE DEPARTMENT NEEDS ARE THAT, AGAIN, HE, I MEAN, THIS IS WHY I LOVE DATA, BECAUSE IT TELLS US A STORY AND IT TELLS US WHERE WE CAN APPLY SOLUTIONS.
UM, AND SO I THINK THIS IS A, THIS IS A BIGGER CONVERSATION, UM, THAT POLLING IS, IS IMPORTANT, AND STARTING A NEW RECRUITMENT IS IMPORTANT.
SO WHAT I'M HEARING, JUST OVERALL HERE, ELSA, SOUNDS LIKE YOU CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE BEGINNING PORTIONS OF IT WHILE CIVIL SERVICE HANDLES THE POLLING.
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BUT ON THE BACK END, UH, MAYBE WE CAN SHARE THE RESULTS OF THAT POLL TO FIGURE OUT WHY 73 PEOPLE, UM, COULD NOT BE HIRED OFF OF THIS LIST.AND, AND GOING BACK AGAIN, THIS LIST IS, IS BEEN, HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR TWO YEARS, TWO, TWO YEARS.
I'M NOT WAITING ON YOU FOR TWO YEARS FOR A JOB.
AND SO, UM, IT'S NOT OUR FAULT THAT, UH, THESE, THAT, THAT WE MADE 70 PEOPLE, 75 PEOPLE GOT ON A LIST AND FOR WHATEVER REASON, WE WERE ONLY ABLE TO CALL TWO FROM THAT LIST.
SO I THINK YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
YOU NEED TO DO THE POLLING, UH, BECAUSE WE WANNA GET BETTER AT WHAT WE DO.
BUT I WANT US TO ALSO LOOK AT THE FACT THAT THIS IS THE 2-YEAR-OLD QUEST AND 73 PEOPLE ARE NOT WAITING TO FEED THEIR FAMILIES FOR TWO YEARS.
I, I JUST WANNA BE FRANK ABOUT THAT.
THERE MAY ONLY HAVE BEEN TWO PEOPLE HIRED OFF THE LIST, BUT WE CONTACTED BOTH LISTS.
EVERYONE WAS INVITED TO INTERVIEW.
I CAN HAVE, I APPRECIATE HEARING THAT.
I CAN HAVE STATISTICS AVAILABLE FOR WHEN CIVIL SERVICE HAS THEIR POLLING RESULTS.
I'D BE HAPPY TO PRESENT OUR STATISTICS AS WELL, BECAUSE WE REACHED OUT TO THE FIRST LIST AGAIN AT THE SAME TIME THAT WE REACHED OUT TO THE SECOND LIST.
AND IF THE TWO HIRED ONE QUIT.
SO JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THAT.
WELL, AND IT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE THEY'RE BEING HIRED FOR A POSITION THAT WE ARE NOT MARKETING AND ADVERTISING ACCURATELY.
AND SO THERE ARE, THE DEPARTMENT'S ADMITTED THAT IT, IT ISN'T, IT ISN'T A GOOD MARKETING TOOL AND THAT THEY WANNA REFINE IT.
SO THIS, THIS MAKES PERFECT SENSE.
AND YOU, YOU'RE SAYING YOU'VE CALLED THAT LIST MORE THAN ONCE.
AND HAVE YOU PROVIDED THE DEPARTMENT WITH THOSE STATISTICS SO THAT YES.
AND YOU KNOW, WE HEARD FROM THE CITY MANAGER THAT HE WOULD LIKE SIX MONTH LISTS WRITTEN INTO THE RULES.
I DON'T KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, BEFORE A FULL AND HONEST CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT, THAT THAT'S ACTUALLY A DIRECTION WE WOULD TAKE UP.
BUT WE'VE HEARD THAT CALL, YOU KNOW, I AM INCLINED IF THE DEPARTMENT RECOGNIZES ALL OF THE CONSEQUENCES OF CLOSING A LIST RIGHT HERE, AND NOW YOU HAVE TWO WEEKS, IF THERE'S SOME ACTION THAT CIVIL SERVICE NEEDS TO TAKE FOR HOUSEKEEPING, THIS LIST DOESN'T EXPIRE UNTIL THE 17TH.
AND I FULLY RESPECT THE WORK OF OUR STAFF, BUT WE STILL HAVE TWO WEEKS TO DO SOME CLEANUP IF WE NEED TO.
DOES, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES, MR. PRESIDENT, THE ONLY, AND YOU KNOW, I THINK MAYBE CHRISTINA CAN TALK TO THIS, THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD BE CONSCIOUS ABOUT IS THAT OUR STAFF HAS QUITE THE WORKLOAD, RIGHT? WE'RE ALREADY UNDERSTAFFED TO HANDLE ADEQUATELY, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE TO HAVE ADEQUATE STAFF FOR THIS LARGE OF A CITY, UH, AND WE'RE DOING THIS DUE DILIGENCE, AND THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN IS THAT OUR STAFF ISN'T RUNNING FIRE DRILLS.
I, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I ALSO THINK, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY, POLLING IS A NICE TO HAVE.
SO POLLING IS, AGAIN, THE WORK THAT WE DO IS REALLY DRIVEN BY OUR RULES.
AND POLLING IS ESSENTIALLY, I MEAN, IT'S IN THE CIVIL SERVICE RULES AND WE'RE COMPLYING WITH THE TASKS THAT WE'RE CHARGED TO DO.
AND OUR JOB WOULD BE SO EASY IF WE COULD JUST DO WHAT THE DEPARTMENT ASKED US, TAKE THEIR WORD FOR IT.
UM, NO ONE'S SAYING THAT, HEY, YOU HAVE NOT EXHAUSTED A LIST.
AND OFTENTIMES WHEN A DEPARTMENT SAYS THEY'RE EXHAUSTED LIST, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY, UH, MEET THE CRITERIA THAT CIVIL SERVICE HAS PRESCRIBED EXHAUSTING A LIST.
AND WE, WE HEAR THAT DEPARTMENT SAID, WE CONTACTED EVERYONE ON THE LIST.
UM, SHOULD WE SAY, OKAY, WE BELIEVE YOU, LET'S EXPIRE.
OR DO WE GO AND LOOK AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT, THEY ACTUALLY REALLY DID NOT CONTACT THE DEPARTMENT.
SO PLEASE, I MEAN, CAN YEAH, IF I CAN CLARIFY THOUGH, THERE, THE RULE IS THAT THERE IS A PERIOD OF TIME AFTER WHICH THE LIST EXPIRES.
AND THEN THERE, THEN IT SAYS, WE POLL THE LIST BEFORE EXPIRING IT TO MAKE SURE THAT LOOK AT THE UTILITY OF THE LIST.
SO I THINK THAT'S THEN ON US TO PULL IT BEFORE IT EXPIRES.
UM, AND IF WE DO NOT, I DON'T THINK WE CAN HOLD THE DEPARTMENT TO, TO A REQUIREMENT THAT WE'RE NOT HOLDING.
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MM-HMM.BUT I THINK IF THE DEPARTMENT IS UP HERE SAYING THEY WANT THE LIST TO GO KNOWING EVERYTHING THAT THAT MAY ENTAIL, CAPRICE, SOMETIMES WE JUST GOTTA LET IT GO.
AND, AND YOU KNOW WHAT? I, I AGREE.
IN THE BEST CASE SCENARIO, THOSE LISTS SHOULD BE PULLED BEFORE THE EXPIRATION DATE APPROACHES.
SO THAT WHEN A DEPARTMENT MAKES A RECOMMENDATION, WE CAN SAY, HEY, UM, WE PULLED THE LIST AND WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT YOUR DISPOSITIONS.
AND OFTEN SAY THAT WHEN DEPARTMENTS GIVE THEIR RECOMMENDATION, THEN THAT'S REALLY ALMOST LIKE WE ARE RUNNING A FIRE DRILL TO NOW GO BACK AND LOOK AT THEIR DISPOSITIONS.
IF WE KNOW AHEAD OF TIME THAT, HEY, WE EXHAUSTED A LIST, UM, WE'RE GONNA WANT A NEW LIST, WE SHOULD HAVE SOME TIME UP IN FRONT TO BE ABLE TO, WELL, LET'S LOOK AT THE DISPOSITION.
BUT WHEN ROBERT AND STAFF ARE PUTTING TOGETHER THE AGENDA, THAT'S JUST, THAT IS A FIRE DRILL.
TRYING TO LIKE, TAKE TIME TO LOOK AND SEE WHAT THE DEPARTMENT HAS DONE.
BUT, UM, YES, THE POLLING SHOULD BE DONE AHEAD OF TIME.
I ALSO AGREE WITH THE COMMISSIONER THAT IF SOMETHING IS ON THE, UH, AGENDA AND THEY DON'T AGREE WITH IT, THEY CAN COME.
BECAUSE WHEN I WEIGH IN ON EXPIRING ELIGIBLE IS I HAVE COMPLETE RATIONALE.
IT'S LIKE I'VE LOOKED TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT THE COMMUNICATION WAS LIKE WITH THE CANDIDATE.
I LOOK AT WHAT THEIR DISPOSITIONS ARE, I LOOK AT IF THE CANDIDATES WERE NOTICED APPROPRIATELY.
SO I WILL HAVE THAT RATIONALE, AND THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE GIVEN TO THE DEPARTMENTS.
AND IF THEY DISAGREE WITH THAT, THEY CAN COME TO COMMISSION AND, AND STATE THAT.
AND I WOULD PROVIDE THE RATIONALE.
SO WHAT YOU, SO SORRY TO INTERRUPT.
UM, JUST IN THE INTEREST OF TIME I HAVE MM-HMM,
UM, OVERALL, I MEAN, WHAT I SEE IS, IS JUST AN OPPORTUNITY, AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, IMPROVE, COMMUNICATE BETTER, AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, LOOK AND UNDERSTAND AT WHAT THE, THE HIRING, UM, PROCESS OR THE INTERVIEW PROCESS.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE LIVING IN A, IN A BIT OF A DIFFERENT WORLD SINCE BEFORE THE PANDEMIC.
AND I KNOW THESE ISSUES HAVE EXISTED SINCE BEFORE.
HOWEVER, NOW THAT WE HAVE A DIRECTION THAT WE UNDERSTAND AND THAT WE'VE BEEN SEEING, LET'S, LET'S LOOK AT THESE THINGS AND FIND OPPORTUNITIES FOR IMPROVEMENT, UM, WITHIN OURSELVES, WITHIN THIS DEPARTMENT, AND THEN WITHIN THE, WITHIN OUR STAKEHOLDERS.
UM, SO THANK YOU BOTH FOR, FOR SPEAKING AND MR. PRESIDENT, JUST AGAIN, IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE OTHER TWO DEPARTMENTS.
I, I WOULD, UM, JUST BECAUSE I GET DOWN TO WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY VOTING ON AT SOME POINT, I, I WOULD, UM, SUPPORT, UH, IF FRIENDLY OR UNFRIENDLY IF WE NEED TO MAKE THE AMENDMENT.
BUT I WOULD SUPPORT REMOVING THIS ONE FROM THE EXPIRATION, UH, FROM THE EXTENSION LIST.
I'M THE ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
UM, FIRST I WANNA START BY SAYING I WORK REALLY WELL WITH CIVIL SERVICE STAFF.
THIS IS NOT AN, UH, ISSUE OF THE CIVIL SERVICE STAFF.
WE HAVE GREAT PRIORITY MEETINGS.
JUST I THINK A FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM WITH THE WAY THE SYSTEM IS SET UP.
UM, AN EXAMPLE BEING OUR PERMIT TECH LIST.
SO YOU'LL SEE ON THE EXPIRATION, THERE'S PERMIT TECH TEST SEVEN, AND IT'S BEING EXTENDED FOR SIX MONTHS.
UH, WE REACHED OUT TO CIVIL SERVICE ON THE 12TH OF FEBRUARY TO ROB AND TO, UH, FOLKS TO SAY, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY REACH OUT AND SAY, WE'RE LOOKING TO EXTEND OR TO EXPIRE THESE LISTS.
UH, WE COMMUNICATED BACK THAT THERE ARE FIVE PEOPLE ON THAT LIST.
TWO OF THEM HAVE BEEN HIRED AT THE TIME WE SENT.
THAT ONE HAD NOT YET BEEN HIRED, BUT NOW TWO OF THE FIVE HAVE BEEN HIRED.
ONE WAS NOT SELECTED, AND TWO WERE INVITED MULTIPLE TIMES FOR INTERVIEWS AND DID NOT RESPOND.
SO WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE DONE OUR DUE DILIGENCE.
NOW WE HAVE OTHER LISTS, TEST EIGHT, SO WE'RE ALREADY WORKING ON THE NEXT LIST.
UM, BUT WE COMMUNICATED THAT, LET'S EXPIRE THIS.
IT'S, THEY'RE THE ONLY FIVE PEOPLE.
WE'VE INVITED THEM MULTIPLE TIMES FOR INTERVIEWS.
WE'VE MADE TWO OFFERS, WE'RE GOOD.
AND THEN WE SEE IT TODAY EXTENDED FOR SIX MONTHS.
NOW I ALREADY HAVE TEST EIGHT, SO I'M GOOD.
WE'RE ALSO WAITING ON TEST NINE.
BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO LIKE STOP AND ASK WHY ARE WE EXTENDING LISTS FOR SIX MONTHS WHEN WE ARE NOT GONNA USE IT? AND WE ALREADY HAVE OTHER LISTS.
AND IF IT WAS FOR POLLING, WHY NOT ONE MONTH? MM-HMM.
BUT THESE SIX MONTH EXTENSIONS THAT KEEP HAPPENING AND THEN WE WEREN'T TOLD UNTIL WE SAW THE AGENDA TODAY THAT IT WAS BEING EXTENDED FOR SIX MONTHS.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHY IT WAS BEING EXTENDED FOR SIX MONTHS.
SO THIS IS JUST TO SHARE KIND OF THE BREAKDOWN THAT YOU GUYS DESCRIBED.
I THINK THERE IS SOME KIND OF BREAKDOWN NOW, LUCKILY, LIKE WE HAVE WITH PERMIT TECH, WE'VE HAD MORE OPEN CONTINUOUS MODEL.
SO WE HAVE THE NEXT LIST, THE NEXT LIST.
AND THAT HAS BEEN A RESULT OF THE GOOD COLLABORATION THAT WE HAVE WITH OUR ANALYSTS AND OUR CIVIL SERVICE PARTNERS THAT THEY KNOW PERMIT TECH IS A VERY IMPORTANT LIST AND THERE'S A
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HIGH TURNOVER THERE.SO WE'RE CONSTANTLY HIRING FOR THAT LIST.
SO I APPRECIATE ALL THE NEW EFFORTS.
I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE EXTENDING OLD LIST THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA USE ANYMORE.
SO THAT'S KIND OF, I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP IN TERMS OF, UH, AND THEN THE COMMUNICATION PIECE THAT WE ARE BEING INFOR, I WAS, I CHECKED ALL MY EMAILS, I ASKED MY STAFF, HAVE ANY OF YOU HEARD ABOUT THIS EXTENSION? AND THEY HAD NOT.
SO I JUST WANNA BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT THOSE KIND OF COMMUNICATIONS THAT, UM, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE, WE, WE MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE I THINK THE GOAL FOR ALL OF US AND IS TO CONTINUE TO HIRE PEOPLE AND WE ARE MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION.
SO I THINK TWO THINGS ARE HAPPENING.
THE CURRENT STATE IS MUCH BETTER THAN THE PREVIOUS STATE, BUT THE PREVIOUS STATE CONTINUES TO HAVE THESE THINGS THAT I JUST RAISED QUESTION MARKS FOR ME.
LIKE, WHY ARE WE STILL DOING THIS? MM-HMM.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE SAME GOAL, WHICH IS TO HIRE PEOPLE AND TO HIRE GOOD PEOPLE AND TO NOT CONTINUE TO EXTEND LIST WHEN THERE'S NOT REALLY A REASON TO DO THAT.
OR IF THERE IS THAT WE'D BE INCLUDED IN WHY, 'CAUSE I'M NOT SURE WHY THAT'S BEING EXTENDED.
SO SIR, IN THE INTEREST OF YEAH.
TIME AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, UM, NOT CREATING TOO MANY FIRE DRILLS FOR OUR STAFF.
WOULD YOU BE COMFORTABLE IF THIS TURNS FROM AN EXTENSION OF SIX MONTHS TO AN EXTENSION OF ONE MONTH? IN FACT, TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTION, I WOULD SAY EVEN IF EXTENDED SIX MONTHS, I JUST WANTED TO BRING UP, 'CAUSE I, I'M NOT GONNA USE, I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, I'M NOT GONNA USE THIS LIST AGAIN 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA GET NEW LISTS.
LOOKS LIKE ROB WANTS TO HOLD ON.
FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS ROBERT WILLIAMS. UH, DO HAVE TO UH, FRANCISCO'S POINT, UH, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT'S BEEN A GREAT PARTNER, UM, WITH THIS NEW TASK OF, UH, EXTENSIONS OF ELIGIBILITY LIST.
THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR, UM, WITH PERMANENT TECHNICIAN IS A LITTLE DIFFICULT.
IT'S A SHARED CLASSIFICATION WITH PUBLIC WORKS AND THEY REQUESTED THE EXTENSION.
UM, CAN WE DO A LITTLE BETTER WITH COMMUNICATING THAT? UM, AH, PERFECT.
WE CAN, UH, BUT IN THIS CASE, THE TWO ANALYSTS ARE SEPARATE BETWEEN THIS ONE CLASSIFICATION AND PERMIT TECHNICIAN, AND THAT OVERSEES PUBLIC WORKS AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
SO, UM, WE'LL FIND SOME RESOLUTIONS AND THANK YOU GUYS FOR ALL YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS AS, UH, THIS IS ONE INSTANCE THAT CAN COME UP, HOW WE CAN BETTER OUR PROCESS.
BUT, UM, FOR THIS PARTICULAR CASE, UH, PUBLIC WORKS HAD OPEN RE OPEN REQUISITIONS THAT, UH, WE NEEDED TO, UM, AB ABIDE BY AND THEY REQUESTED THE EXTENSION.
BUT THANK YOU GUYS FOR BRINGING THIS TO OUR ATTENTION.
AND HERE'S, HERE'S THE GOOD NEWS.
HERE'S THE FANTASTIC NEWS AS A MATTER OF FACT.
UH, YOU KNOW, LAST WEEK I BROUGHT UP ALL OF STAFF AND WE HAD GREAT FEEDBACK FROM OUR STAKEHOLDERS.
AND SO THE, THE, THE GREAT NEWS IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE BARRIERS THERE.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S A, THAT'S MORE THAN MANY PEOPLE CAN SAY
ALL OF THESE OTHER THINGS COULD BE, COULD BE RESOLVED.
SO THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING AND THANK YOU FOR, UH, PROVIDING THAT INFORMATION.
I THINK IT'S BEEN VERY HELPFUL.
OH, BEFORE YOU GO, SO YOU'RE OKAY WITH THE EXTENSION OF THE SIX MONTHS? YEAH.
IF, IF ANOTHER DEPARTMENT NEEDED IT.
I DIDN'T, I WASN'T AWARE OF THAT IF THEY NEEDED.
NO, WE SHOULD HAVE COMMUNICATED FINE THAT THEN, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE TEST, UH, EIGHT AND THEN WE'RE WAITING ON TEST NINE.
SO I'M GOOD IF YOU GUYS EXTEND IT.
I WANNA THANK YOU FOR COMING, BUT I ALSO WANNA THANK YOU FOR SOMETHING ELSE, AND THAT IS SHOWING STAFF THE SAME RESPECT THAT YOU WANT.
I WATCHED YOUR INTERACTION AND I, I CAN SEE THROUGH YOUR BODY LANGUAGE THAT YOU LIKE EACH OTHER AND THAT YOU WORK WELL TOGETHER.
AND, AND I FEEL THE SAME WAY ABOUT A LOT OF CIVIL SORT STAFF.
WE ALL WORK TOGETHER WELL, AND I, I, I'M VERY HAPPY PARTNER WITH THEM.
UH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE PROCESSES WORK FOR EVERYBODY.
IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE UTILITIES TODAY.
JAMAN GARCIA, ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER FOR THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT.
UH, SO MUCH TO, UH, YOU KNOW, MY COLLEAGUES TO POINTS HERE RECENTLY.
ONE OF THE, UM, YOU KNOW, RECRUITMENTS THAT YOU MAY SEE ON THERE, OR, OR AN ELIGIBILITY LIST THAT HAS BEEN REQUESTED TO BE EXTENDED IS A CAPITAL PROJECTS COORDINATOR.
NOW, AS YOU KNOW, UH, SOME OF THE CLASSIFICATIONS THAT OUR DEPARTMENT USE IS SHARED ACROSS THE CITY, MUCH LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE JUST FOUND OUT RIGHT NOW WITH FRANCISCO'S, UM, YOU KNOW, AT REQUEST THAT THE PERMIT TECHNICIAN HAS SHARED.
AND THE LIST FOR WAS BEING, YOU KNOW, REQUESTED TO BE EXTENDED BY A SEPARATE DEPARTMENT.
SO, JUST TO GIVE YOU CONTEXT AND, AND TO KIND OF SPEAK TO THE SAME POINT, THE CAPITAL PROJECTS COORDINATOR RECRUITMENT THAT WE CONDUCTED FOR THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, WE INVITED ALL 70 CANDIDATES ON THE LIST TO A MODERN HIRE INTERVIEW, INVITED, UH, 13 OF THEM COMPLETED THE INTERVIEW.
WE INTERVIEWED FIVE OR SIX IN PERSON.
AND THEN IN THAT PROCESS WE HAD TWO PEOPLE DECLINED.
SO, YOU KNOW, ALL SAID AND DONE, ALL 70 CANDIDATES ON THE LIST WORKS, YOU KNOW, UH, REJECTED TWO HAD, YOU KNOW, DECLINED OUR OFFER, OR, OR ONE OF 'EM HAD, YOU KNOW, INITIALLY ACCEPTED, THEN DECLINED IN FAVOR OF ANOTHER DEPARTMENT.
UM, SO I DO REALIZE THAT THE REASON FOR THE, YOU KNOW, UH, EXTENSION, UM, COULD BE BECAUSE THAT THE OTHER DEPARTMENT MAY BE STILL USING THIS
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LIST.BUT, YOU KNOW, SINCE THAT WASN'T COMMUNICATED BACK TO THE DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, WE WERE SURPRISED TO SEE THAT IT WAS, YOU KNOW, GONNA BE EXTENDED AS OPPOSED TO EXPIRED.
SO AGAIN, PROBABLY THE SAME SITUATION THAT JUST HAPPENED RIGHT HERE.
SO, UH, I WANNA REITERATE THE FACT THAT, YEAH, WE ALSO DO HAVE AN EXCELLENT, UM, YOU KNOW, RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR CIVIL SERVICE ANALYST.
UH, THINGS ARE VERY CLEAR AND TRANSPARENT IN REGARDS TO SETTING PRIORITIES.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT WE KNOW WHAT WE HAVE TO DO, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE, TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS THAT CIVIL SERVICE NEEDS BEFORE WE'RE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ANOTHER REQUEST OR ANOTHER RECRUITMENT.
UM, BUT JUST WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, REITERATE THAT THAT FACT, AND THEN IT SOUNDS LIKE JUST, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE JUST A COMMUNICATION ISSUE.
SO, GOT ALL, AND THAT'S ALL CAN, CAN YOU CLARIFY? 'CAUSE I SEE ON THIS LIST, THIS CAPITAL PROJECTS COORDINATOR, UH, ONE THROUGH FOUR, THERE'S 11 ON THE LIST.
OH, THIS MIGHT BE EVEN AN OLDER LIST THEN.
SO IF IT INVITE YOU SEPARATE AND NOT EVEN RELATED IN THAT POINT AT ALL.
SO IF, IF THAT LIST THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING OF HAS RUN ITS COURSE FOR YOUR DEPARTMENT, UM, THEN WE MIGHT BE GOOD.
WE, WE, SO THERE MIGHT BE NO ISSUE THERE.
NEEDS SOME COMMUNICATION THERE.
SO WE DON'T KIND OF RUN UP TO THE SAME THING THAT WE'RE WITH THIS LIST.
SO, UH, ON CAPITAL PROJECTS COORDINATOR, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE OKAY WITH THE THREE MONTH EXTENSION AT THE MOMENT.
HI, GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS.
NICOLE GROSS, ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER FOR TECHNOLOGY AND INNOVATION.
UM, I AM HERE ON THE BUSINESS SYSTEM SPECIALIST.
UH, EXTENSIONS, UH, THOSE POSITIONS OR THOSE, UH, TESTS THAT WERE RUN, THOSE WERE FOR TARGETED RECRUITMENTS AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE CIVIL SERVICE AND GOING FORTH AND DOING THOSE TARGETED RECRUITMENTS.
'CAUSE THESE ARE SOME OF THE POSITIONS THAT ARE VERY DIFFICULT FOR US TO FILL.
UM, SORRY, WHAT WAS THAT? WHAT WAS THAT LIST? YEAH, WE'RE NOT, IT'S THE BUSINESS SYSTEM SPECIALIST.
THERE SHOULD FOR THE EXTENSION.
THERE'S FOUR OF 'EM THAT ARE ON THERE.
AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S CALLED BUSINESS SYSTEM, BUSINESS SYSTEM SPECIALIST.
IT'S NOT ON THIS ONE, BUT I'M LOOKING AT A DIFFERENT LIST.
UM, IF I MAY JUST ROLL QUICKLY ON THAT ONE THOUGH.
THOSE WERE TARGETED RECRUITMENTS.
THEY CONTINUE TO GET EXTENDED EVEN THOUGH WE FILLED THOSE POSITIONS AND WE'VE ASKED FOR THEM TO BE EXPIRED AND THE RECRUITMENTS HAVE BEEN CLOSED.
UM, BUSINESS SYSTEM SPECIALIST IS ONE OF THOSE CLASSIFICATIONS THAT WE HAVE STRUGGLED WITH.
UM, YOU'LL SEE ON THE AGENDA LATER THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR SELECTIVE CERTS.
WE ARE WORKING IN THE DEPARTMENT TO REDO THE CLASSIFICATION.
HOWEVER, UM, WITH THESE TARGETED RECRUITMENTS AND WITH THE CONT THE LIST CONTINUING TO BE EXTENDED YEAR AFTER YEAR OR MONTH AFTER MONTH, UM, YOU KNOW, IT IS PREVENTING THE DEPARTMENT FROM, UH, GETTING THOSE WITH THE SKILLS AND QUALIFICATIONS THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
UM, AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE ISSUES WITH THE CLASSIFICATION AND WE ARE WORKING ON THAT.
BUT, UM, JUST WANTED TO BRING IT TO THE ATTENTION THAT BUSINESS OF SOME SPECIALIST IS ONE THAT OFTEN GETS EXTENDED AND WE'RE NOT NOTIFIED AND WE'RE REALLY THE ONLY DEPARTMENT THAT USES IT.
COULD YOU COMMUNICATE WITH YOUR, UH, ADMIN ANALYST TO, WHO IS YOUR ADMIN? WE HAVE SAL AND HE'S WONDERFUL, AND WE WORK WITH HIM REGULARLY.
SO CAN YOU WORK WITH SAL? UH, BECAUSE IT'S NOT ON OUR LIST TO EXTENT, AND SO, UH, WE'RE NOT EXACTLY SURE.
WE DON'T HAVE THE DETAILS OF, OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT I WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE TO HEAR WHAT YOUR CONCERNS ARE.
SO MAYBE AT THE NEXT MEETING SURE.
ONCE YOU, UH, SPEAK WITH SAL, WE CAN FIGURE THIS ONE OUT.
UH, SO VICE PRESIDENT GORDON PETERSON.
SO I WANNA ASK MY QUESTION NOW.
I DON'T SEE THIS PARTICULAR, UM, CLASSIFICATION.
I DON'T SEE THIS POSITION ON HERE.
WERE, WERE YOU ASKING FOR ANYTHING TO BE EXTENDED? NO, SHE, AGAIN, I BELIEVE, UM, IT POSSIBLY WAS THE LIST FOR FEBRUARY.
SHE MAY HAVE FEBRUARY, BEEN REFERENCING FEBRUARY.
BUT, UM, IT WORKED WITH OUT MS PAST OF MINE AND, UM, WE DID EXPIRE THOSE LIST FOR THIS MONTH, FOR THE MONTH, SO THE MONTH OF MARCH.
SO THOSE ARE EXPIRED IF WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE OF WHAT SHE'S REFERENCING AND WHAT WE THINK THE ASSUMPTION WAS, SHE, I'M SORRY, FOR THE BUSINESS, BUSINESS SPECIALISTS.
WE'RE, WE'RE ALL HERE TOGETHER.
DO WE HAVE LISTS THAT HAVE, ARE, ARE EXTENDED OR ARE THEY EXPIRED SO THAT SHE CAN, UM, GET WHAT SHE NEEDS TO GET DONE? WE HAVE, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE BEING EXTENDED FOR THIS MONTH, BUT WE DO HAVE, UM, QUITE A FEW LISTS THAT ARE STILL ACTIVE, UM, THAT ARE MULTIPLE YEARS OLD.
SO, UM, WHAT I, WHAT I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO DO IS DO AN ANALYSIS OF THOSE LISTS.
THIS, WE EXPIRED 'EM FOR THE MONTH.
ALL OF, FOR WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA? THEY'VE BEEN EXPIRED.
SO THERE ARE NO LISTS THAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT THAT WE'VE
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BEEN RUNNING AROUND WITH FOR TWO YEARS THAT ARE STILL OPEN WHERE THERE IS NO ONE ON THE LIST.THOSE WERE EXTENDED IN FEBRUARY.
THEY WERE EXTENDED IN FEBRUARY.
SO, SO THERE'S, UH, BEEN MULTIPLE RECRUITMENTS, TARGET RECRUITMENTS.
OH, MY NAME IS SALHA, UH, CIVIL SERVICE.
SO FOR BUSINESSES AND SPECIALISTS, THE WAY IT'S BEEN RAN FOR THE LAST, UH, TWO, THREE YEARS, UHHUH
RIGHT? I BELIEVE THERE WAS ABOUT SIX OR EIGHT POSTINGS.
UM, THEY WERE CONTINUOUS FOR, FOR MULTIPLE YEARS.
SO THERE WAS MULTIPLE TESTS THAT, THAT HAVE THAT, UH, THAT ARE STILL OUT THERE.
HOWEVER, THE ONES THAT CAME UP LAST MONTH AND THIS MONTH, UH, THE DEPARTMENT RECOMMENDED TO EXPIRE AND CIVIL SERVICES DUE DILIGENCE, WE ALSO AGREE AND EXPIRED THEM.
THERE WILL BE, UH, LLBG, UH, BUSINESSES AND SPECIALISTS ELIGIBILITY LIST THAT WILL BE COMING POSSIBLY IN THE UPCOMING COMMISSION MEETINGS ON A MONTHLY BASIS.
RECOMMENDING TO, UH, TO THE AGREE WITH DEPARTMENT OR PULL, GET AHEAD OF THE POLLING IF NEEDED.
SO, SO THEN I GUESS MY NEXT QUESTION IS, YOU SAID THAT YOU WERE CHANGING SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE POSITION.
HAS THAT BEEN, UH, ALREADY DONE AND COMMUNICATED TO CIVIL SERVICE THAT YOU'RE MAKING THESE CHANGES? IT HAS BEEN COMMUNICATED.
UH, BUSINESS SYSTEM SPECIALIST IS ONE OF THOSE, THOSE, UM, CLASSIFICATIONS THAT, UH, RUNS FROM GRADE LEVEL ONE TO GRADE LEVEL SIX, UHHUH,
UM, IT RUNS THE GAMUT OF DIFFERENT DUTIES.
AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT ACTUALLY CHANGING THE CLASSIFICATION COMPLETELY.
WE'RE WORKING WITH A VENDOR ON THAT.
SO WE'VE, UH, COMMUNICATED THAT WITH, UH, CIVIL SERVICE AND WITH HR.
WE'RE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THAT.
SO HOW ARE YOU GOING TO FILL, UH, THE POSITIONS IF THE JOB THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IS NOT WHAT YOU I, I'M CONFUSED.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO FILL THE POSITIONS, THE VACANT POSITIONS THAT WE HAVE NOW, USING THE CURRENT CLASSIFICATION WHILE WE GO THROUGH THIS OTHER PROCESS BECAUSE WE, WE CAN'T KEEP THE POSITIONS VACANT FOR A LONG TIME.
YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO CONTINUE WITH BUSINESS ALL.
SO, UH, FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, I ACTUALLY THINK WE'RE JUMPING AHEAD.
WE'RE GETTING INTO ITEMS 10, 11, 11 AND 12.
UM, IF THERE IS NOTHING FURTHER, THANK, THANK YOU ALL THREE OF YOU FOR THAT.
UM, I THINK WE JUST HIGHLIGHTED, OH YES.
UM, I JUST DID WANT TO, UM, PUT IT OUT THERE THAT LAST WEEK, YOU GUYS PROBABLY KNOW, WAS A FIRE DRILL FOR STAFF IN ORDER TO GET, UM, A LOOK AT THESE EXPIRING ELIGIBLE LISTS, UM, IN ORDER TO ASSESS 'CAUSE IN ORDER, YOU KNOW, IN ASSESSING THERE'S A COMPLEXITY TO IT.
UM, I THINK 'CAUSE OF THE HOLIDAY THERE WAS RDO AND THEN THERE WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS OTHER PROJECTS.
SO I THINK MOST OF US PROBABLY HAD TWO TO THREE DESK DAYS, UM, WHICH IS WHY WE FAILED TO COMMUNICATE THIS GO AROUND.
UM, AND REALLY WHAT I WANTED TO COME UP HERE AND SAY TO EVERYBODY IS THAT, UM, PLEASE KNOW THAT YOU CAN ALWAYS CON COMMUNICATE WITH YOUR ANALYSTS.
UM, PLEASE INITIATE CONVERSATIONS.
IF YOU DON'T SEE SOMETHING FROM US, PLEASE GO AHEAD AND INITIATE IT THERE.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SO MUCH IN OUR, WE'RE REALLY SPREAD THIN, BUT, UM, THERE IS A FAILURE IN COMMUNICATION.
BUT IF YOU RECOGNIZE THAT THERE'S A CONCERN OR AN ASSUMPTION OR THERE'S SOMETHING MISSING, CONNECT WITH US.
AND I CAN PUT MYSELF OUT THERE.
I'M ALWAYS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS, ANY COMMENTS, OR I CAN CONNECT WITH A TEAM MEMBER.
BUT, UM, I THINK THE RESPONSIBILITY FALLS ON ALL OF US.
AND THERE'S JUST A LOT OF WORK.
AND THIS WORK IS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT'S PEOPLE'S LIVELIHOODS.
SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOT MAKE ASSUMPTIONS AND JUST COMMUNICATE.
AND I AM AN OVER COMMUNICATOR, SO HERE I AM.
SO, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK WHAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO DO IS LIVE WHAT, UH, VICE PRESIDENT GORDON PETERSON SAID, UH, THAT LATE NIGHT, UH, MEETING OF OURS.
UM, WHICH IS, WE SHOULDN'T BE LOOKING TO MAKE HUGE SYSTEMIC CHANGES WHERE CONVERSATION IS, WHAT'S REQUIRED.
UM, SO IF WE CAN GET SOME OF THESE THINGS SOLVED BY CONVERSATION AND, UM, SET SOME EXPECTATIONS, I, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT.
AND I REALLY DO APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S, UH, INPUT ON THIS.
AND NOW MY SCREEN'S RESTARTING.
SO, UM, UH, OUTSIDE OF TECHNOLOGY PROBLEMS, UM, I WOULD ASK, UH, 'CAUSE I CAN STILL SEE WHO MADE THE MOTION, SECOND, IF, UH, COMMISSIONER IKA AND VICE PRESIDENT GORDON PETERSON WOULD BE OPEN TO A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, UH, TO REMOVE, UH, CIVIL SERVICE ASSISTANT, UH, ONE AND TWO H SIX.
COMMUNITY SERVICES ASSISTANT, YES.
COMMUNITY SERVICES ASSISTANT ONE THROUGH TWO H SIX ONE N DASH 23.
TEST NUMBER TWO FROM THIS LIST.
SO THIS LIST WILL BE ALLOWED TO EXPIRE IN, UH, MARCH ON MARCH 17TH.
IS THAT AGREEABLE? I, IN, IN ADDITION, UM, WE HAD HANDED YOU AN UPDATED, BECAUSE IT WAS MISSING, UM, THREE EXPIRATION DATES ON
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THE VERY BOTTOM.SO SPECIAL SERVICES OFFICER AND THE TWO TREE TRIMMER, YOU RECEIVED A NEW REPORT THAT HAVE THOSE DATES.
SO IF YOU COULD ADD THAT TO YOUR AMENDMENT AS WELL, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
'CAUSE WE, THAT'S THE LIST THAT, UH, I THINK WE'RE ALL LOOKING AT THE, YEAH, THE ONE THAT MARIA GAVE US WE'RE THE, THE UPDATED.
THE LAST ARE THE OTHER, THE LAST THREE.
THE SPECIAL SERVICES OFFICER TREE TRIMMER ONE, TWO, TEST ONE.
SO THOSE WOULD BE EXCLUDED AS WELL? NO, THOSE WOULD NOT BE EXCLUDED.
THAT WOULD, WE PROVIDED YOU AN AMENDED REPORT BECAUSE THERE WERE NO DATES THAT THE, THE COMPUTER GENERATED REPORT DIDN'T SOMEHOW MISS THOSE DATES.
SO NOW YOU HAVE A NEW REPORT THAT HAS THE DATES IN THEM.
THEN WE WANT THAT TO BE IN THE RECORD.
SO YOU WANT THIS ONE SUBSTITUTED FOR THE YES.
SUBSTITUTED THIS LIST TO SUBSTITUTE FOR THE ONE IN THE FUTURE.
WHEN YOU DO THIS, WOULD YOU TAKE IN CONSIDERATION, CAN YOU TURN ON YOUR MICROPHONE PLEASE? THAT LIKE BIGGER PRINT? YES, ABSOLUTELY.
WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT IN THE FUTURE THEY ARE BIGGER PRINT.
'CAUSE EVEN WITH GLASSES,
UM, I KNOW WHAT ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT.
UH, SO FOR, IF I CAN RESTATE THE PROPOSED FRIENDLY AMENDMENT AND THEN I WILL TURN IT OVER TO THE MOTION SECOND.
UH, SO IT WOULD BE TO ADOPT THE AMENDED LIST AS PROVIDED, EXCLUDING THE COMMUNITY SERVICE ASSISTANT ONE THROUGH TWO, TEST NUMBER TWO.
ARE YOU AGREEABLE TO THAT? YES.
SO I HAVE A AGREEMENT FROM THE PERSON WHO MADE THE MOTION AND THE PERSON WHO MADE THE SECOND.
AND JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR, SINCE THE UPDATED LIST HAS NOT BEEN MADE PUBLIC, WHAT ARE THE DATES THAT ARE BEING INSERTED? UH, SO I CAN REPORT THAT? YEP.
SO FOR SPECIAL SERVICES OFFICER TEST 66, UM, THE DATE IT WAS ESTABLISHED IS 9 14 22.
THE DATE, THE EXPIRATION DATE WAS 3 13 24.
FOR TREE TRIMMER TEST ONE, THE ESTABLISHED DATE IS 1 5 22.
THE EXPIRATION DATE IS 3 4 24.
AND FOR TREE TRIMMER TEST TWO, THE ESTABLISHED DATE IS 2 2 22.
AND THE EXPIRE EXPIRATION DATE IS 3 1 24.
SO THAT'S, I'M READING THAT INTO THE RECORD.
UM, SO THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, THAT'S, THAT'S THE AMENDED LIST THAT YOU ARE APPROVING.
IF WE ARE ALL UNDERSTOOD ON THAT, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE OUT.
THANK YOU EVERYONE, UM, FOR THAT, UM, CONVERSATION ON THAT ITEM.
UM, I HAVE SOME, SOME SUGGESTIONS ON THE REGULAR AGENDA.
UM, IF WE COULD DO WHAT WE DID LAST MEETING, 'CAUSE WE HAVE A HEARING PENDING.
UM, AND NOT TAKE REPORTS, BUT SIMPLY ASK QUESTIONS IF WE HAVE THEM, UM, ON OUR DISCUSSION ACTION ITEMS. AND THEN I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO, UH, TAKE ITEM 15 BEFORE ITEM 14.
THAT WAS GONNA BE MY RECOMMENDATION AS WELL.
[5. 24-52323 Recommendation to approve bulletin – Airport Operations Specialist I-II. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]
GREAT.UH, ITEM FIVE IS A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE BULLETIN OPERAT AIRPORT OPERATIONS SPECIALIST ONE THROUGH TWO.
UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE DAIS? I JUST, UH, MR. PRESIDENT FOR THE RECORD, UM, THIS WEEK AND I BELIEVE NEXT WEEK WE HAVE, UH, ASKED TO SCHEDULE A SECOND SPECIAL MEETING, UM, FOR THE TOPIC OF, UH, THIS CHARTER AMENDMENT.
UM, AND SO BECAUSE WE DO HAVE HEARINGS, UM, THAT WERE TO BE STARTED NOW, UH, THAT THIS IS JUST AN EXCEPTION THAT WE GO THROUGH THESE QUICKLY AS WE DID LAST TIME, BUT WE WILL CONTINUE TO.
UM, ANYTHING FURTHER? ALRIGHT, SAYING NONE, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.
UH, CAN YOU JUST REPORT OUT HOW YOU WOULD VOTE? UM, A YES.
[6. 24-52324 Recommendation to approve bulletin – Environmental Specialist I-II. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]
SIX IS RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE BULLETIN ENVIRONMENTALIST SPECIALIST ONE[01:20:01]
AND TWO.DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS ON THAT? AND I SEE A MOTION A SECOND.
AND YOU'RE STILL RESTARTING? YEAH, WE'LL JUST HAVE TO HEAR YOU RECORD REPORT OUT IF YOU CAN.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? SEEING NONE, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.
UM, A YES, COMMISSIONER AS SOON HAS A YES.
ALRIGHT, ITEM CARRIES, UH, ITEM SEVEN, RECOMMENDATION
[7. 24-52325 Recommendation to approve bulletin – General Maintenance Assistant. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]
TO APPROVE BULLETIN GENERAL MAINTENANCE ASSISTANT.MINE IS RESTARTING NOW AS WELL.
WE DO HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND 'CAUSE I THINK YOU'LL HAVE TO PUT YOUR PASSWORDS BACK IN.
UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS? NO QUESTIONS.
THIS ONE'S JUST STARTING, SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GONNA GO DOWN THE LINE.
SO WE HAVE TWO YESES FROM THERE.
THOSE WHO CAN VOTE FOR YOURSELVES, PLEASE DO SO.
[8. 24-52326 Recommendation to approve bulletin – Police Sergeant. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]
CARRIES.ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE BULLETIN POLICE SERGEANT.
QUITE AN OPPORTUNE TIME TO DO A SYSTEM RESET
[9. 24-52328 Recommendation for permanent assignment after rehabilitation and/or retraining for Nahin Anaya-Zavala – Special Services Officer III-Armed to Clerk Typist III. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]
FOR PERMANENT ASSIGNMENT AFTER REHABILITATION AND OR RETRAINING FOR HIN.I THOUGHT I HIT IT BEFORE IT WENT OUT, BUT, ALL RIGHT.
UM, I THINK THIS WERE THE ONES WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER.
RECOMMENDATION FOR SELECTIVE CERTIFICATION, BUSINESS SYSTEM SPECIALIST FIVE, CYBERSECURITY ANALYST, ITEM 10.
[10. 24-52329 Recommendation for selective certification— Business Systems Specialist V – Cybersecurity Analyst. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]
ARE THERE QUESTIONS SPECIFIC TO THIS ITEM OR DID WE COVER THAT? I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THESE NEXT THREE.I DON'T KNOW IF I COULD DO IT ALL AT ONCE.
IF YOU ASK THE QUESTION AND IT CLARIFIES FOR THE REST OF 'EM AND YOU DON'T NEED TO ANSWER.
IN AND OF ITSELF, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, WITH THE SELECTIVE CERTIFICATION.
HOWEVER, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE END RESULT IS GONNA BE.
I MEAN, IS IT GONNA AFFECT SENIORITY PAY SCALES? I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT'S GOING ON? YES, DEFINITELY.
SO FOR THIS SELECTED CERTIFICATIONS, WE'RE GONNA BE OPEN UP A TARGET RECRUITMENT THAT'S GONNA ALLOW US TO COOL, UH, PULL ANY CURRENT LIST FOR THAT SPECIFIC SKILL.
AND ALSO TO GO OUT AND RECRUIT, UH, AND, AND COLLECT, UH, THE DETAILS FOR THE VERY SPECIFIC SKILLS AND ABILITIES AND, UH, QUALIFICATIONS THAT IS NEEDED FOR THIS, UH, UH, GRADE LEVEL FIVE.
AS FAR AS LIKE THE HIGH EFFECTS, MY EFFECTS SENIORITY, I'LL HAVE TO, UM, JUST CONFIRM MY TEAM AND PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT.
I'M NOT TOO SURE I HAVE THE ANSWER FOR THAT RIGHT NOW.
SO THE BEST THING ABOUT THE SELECTIVE C IS, IS GONNA HELP MEET THE DEPARTMENTS HALFWAY WITH THEIR RECRUITMENT BECAUSE, UM, BUSINESS SYSTEM SPECIALISTS WILL DRAW A LOT OF, UH, CANDIDATES.
AND WITHOUT A SELECT CERT, THE DEPARTMENT WILL RECEIVE EVERYONE, UH, ON THAT REQUISITION THAT MEET THE MINIMUM OF THAT CLASSIFICATION.
WITH THE SELECTIVE CERT, UM, CAN, CANDIDATES ARE SELECTIVELY HIRED.
UM, SO THE DEPARTMENT WILL ONLY RECEIVE THAT.
AND USUALLY IT'S A HANDFUL IF THAT OF CANDIDATES THAT MEET THE QUALIFICATIONS FOR THAT SPECIAL SKILL.
SO THAT'S GONNA BE A WIN FOR THE DEPARTMENT.
SO THEY'RE NOT LIKE, WHY WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS ENTIRE LIST? NO, ONLY THOSE THAT MEET THE CRITERIA.
UM, 'CAUSE COMMISSION IS APPROVING THEM TO BE SELECTIVE IN THEIR HIRING.
AND AS FAR AS, UH, SENIORITY, UM, THEY'RE, THEY ALWAYS USED, WE USED TO USE THE TERM SELECTIVELY HIRED, SELECTIVELY FIRED.
SO IN A ORDER OF LAYOFF, UNLESS THE DEPARTMENT SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIES THE ELECTIVE CERT TO BE PART OF THAT LAYOFF, WHEN THERE IS A LAYOFF THAT, UH, SELECTIVE HIRE IS NOT PART OF THAT.
AND THEN ON A FLIP SIDE, IF, LET'S SAY THAT SOMEONE WAS SELECTIVELY HIRED FOR A SPECIAL SKILL FOR
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A PROGRAM OR A SYSTEM, AND MAYBE THAT SYSTEM'S NO LONGER BEING USED, AND THEY, UH, THEY CAN, UH, SELECTIVELY LAY OFF THAT PERSON AND IT WOULD NOT AFFECT EVERYONE ELSE IN THE CLASSIFICATION.SO THEY DON'T HAVE BUMPING RIGHTS TO GO BACK TO THE GENERAL POOL? NO, NO.
THEY WOULD GO ON A PRIORITY LIST.
AND HOW IS THAT, IS THIS ONE OF THOSE, THOSE CLASSIFICATIONS THAT ARE USED LIKE A CLERK TYPIST? EVERYBODY USES THAT? UM, A LOT.
SHOULD I SAY A LOT OF PEOPLE, WELL, CURRENTLY A LOT OF DEPARTMENTS USE IT.
WELL, CURRENT, CURRENTLY THE BUSINESS SYSTEM SPECIALIST IS PRIMARILY JUST USED IN TI.
HOWEVER, WATER, THE, I MEAN, WELL, A PUBLIC UTILITIES IS CURRENTLY USING A CLASSIFICATION, SEPARATE APPOINTED AUTHORITY, BUT ALL THE TECHNOLOGY POSITIONS ARE HOUSED UNDER, UH, TECHNOLOGY AND INNOVATION.
NOW, I ALSO HAD THE QUESTION, CYBERSECURITY ANALYST FOR ONE 11 WAS CONSIDERED A DATABASE ADMINISTRATOR.
HOWEVER, NUMBER 12 IS BEING LABELED AS A POLICE TECHNOLOGY PROJECT MANAGER.
THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF TITLES.
WELL, THIS IS GONNA HELP THEM FIND THEIR UNICORN.
SO WHY, WHY, WHY, WHY IS ONE A MANAGER, ONE'S THE ANALYST AND ONE'S AN ADMINISTRATOR? YES, WE DO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE IT DEPARTMENT HERE TOO.
I'M THE DIGITAL SERVICES BUREAU MANAGER.
AND AS MENTIONED, I I AM, WE ARE ENDEAVORING TO FIND OUR UNICORNS, AND WE ARE HOPING BY PUTTING THE POSITIONS OUT THERE, USING, UM, I WILL SAY RELATIVELY UBIQUITOUS INDUSTRY TERMS, LIKE DATABASE ADMINISTRATOR, THAT IS A WELL-DEFINED TITLE.
THAT IS NOT SOMETHING I MADE UP.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE INDUSTRY JUST RECOGNIZES.
RIGHT? I RECOGNIZE THAT, THAT, THAT THAT'S A THING.
UM, THE POLICE, UH,
IT'S A PERSON EMBEDDED IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT MANAGES TECHNOLOGY PROJECTS.
IF THERE IS A BETTER TITLE, UM, I I, WE ARE MORE THAN HAPPY TO WORK WITH THE COMMISSION TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT IS MORE, UM, UH, PALATABLE AND THAT NO, I, I DON'T, EXCUSE ME.
I DON'T HAVE, I, I WANNA KNOW BECAUSE YOU JUMPED FROM BUSINESS SYSTEM SPECIALIST TO MANAGER AND AS A GRUNT WORKER, THAT'S A BIG STEP.
OR AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS, THE VISUAL IS THAT THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
AND, AND, UM, WHETHER YOU'RE A ONE OR YOU'RE A SEVEN, IN MY EYES, NO ONE'S A GRUNT.
UM, AND I, AND I TRULY BELIEVE THAT, TRULY BELIEVE THAT THESE ARE ALL BSS FIVES, WHICH IS, UM, TOWARDS THE TOP OF THE, THE PAY SCALE AS WELL AS THE RESPONSIBILITY SCALE.
SO WE ARE, WE ARE DEFINITELY, UM, NOT LOOKING AT ENTRY LEVEL OR EVEN MID-LEVEL POSITIONS.
THESE ARE ALL HIGH LEVEL POSITIONS.
THEY WILL BE WORKING WITH POLICE COMMAND STAFF.
THEY WILL BE WORKING AT THE AIRPORT, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH THE TSA MM-HMM,
AND THEN THE DATABASE ADMINISTRATOR, I MEAN, THAT PERSON IS MANAGING CRITICAL, UH, UH, DATABASES WITH SENSITIVE INFORMATION FOR OUR HEALTH DEPARTMENT OR POLICE DEPARTMENT OR FIRE DEPARTMENT, ET CETERA.
AND, YOU KNOW, I I WOULD SAY COMING FROM PUBLIC SECTOR MANAGEMENT, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PROJECT MANAGER AND JUST MANAGER AT THE END OF A DEPARTMENT, WHICH USUALLY APPLIES SOMETHING VERY DIFFERENT.
UH, THAT'S FINE IF WE HAVE ANSWERED.
IF THERE IS NOTHING FURTHER, IF WE ARE READY TO CAST OUR VOTES.
UH, ITEM 10 PASSES OR CARRIES.
[11. 24-52330 Recommendation for selective certification— Business Systems Specialist V – Database Administrator. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]
RECOMMENDATION FOR SELECTIVE CERTIFICATION BUSINESS SYSTEM SPECIALIST, FIVE DATABASE ADMINISTRATOR.ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT, IF NOT, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.
HEY, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE ALL BACK ON THE SYSTEM.
[12. 24-52331 Recommendation for selective certification— Business Systems Specialist V – Police Technology Project Manager. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]
FOR SELECTIVE CERTIFICATION BUSINESS SYSTEM SPECIALIST FIVE, POLICE TECHNOLOGY PROJECT MANAGER.ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.
[13. 24-52332 Recommendation for reappointment of resigned employee – Nancy Villaseñor – Capital Projects Coordinator. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]
13, RECOMMENDATION FOR REAPPOINTMENT OF RESIGNED EMPLOYEE NANCY VIA, UH, CAPITAL PROJECTS COORDINATOR.I ASSUME THIS IS PRETTY STANDARD FAIR AND THAT THIS IS JUST A PERSON WHO'S WANTING TO RETURN.
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THERE ARE ANY DISCUSSION QUESTIONS, SEEING NONE, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.[15. 24-52336 Recommendation to discuss and possible action on the proposed Charter Amendment for Civil Service reform. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]
OUT OF ORDER.THAT IS RECOMMENDATION TO DISCUSS AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENT FOR CIVIL SERVICE REFORM.
UM, YOU ALL DID HEAR FROM COMMISSIONER GRCA.
UM, A SUGGESTION THAT WE DO A SPECIAL MEETING.
I WOULD SAY THAT PROBABLY WOULD MAKE SENSE.
UM, I WOULD, HOWEVER, BECAUSE I PROVIDED A REQUEST TO THE COMMISSION, WANT TO READ THAT INTO THE RECORD.
UM, IF WE CAN, UM, AT LEAST RESPOND IF THERE ARE SOME IDEAS, UM, AT THIS POINT, UM, BUT, UM, THEN WE CAN CONSIDER HOW LONG WE WANNA DISCUSS THIS.
UH, SO THE LETTER, UH, DEAR FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, DEAR FRIENDS, ON WEDNESDAY, I WILL ASK YOUR DIRECTION TO PREPARE A LETTER OF CONCERN ON BEHALF OF THE CIVIL SERVICE MISSION.
BELOW ARE MY INITIAL THOUGHTS ON ITEMS TO INCLUDE.
PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND TO THESE AS THEY'RE SIMPLY FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
PRIOR TO THE MEETING PREFERENCES, AMENDMENT LANGUAGE CLAIMS TO ADD LOCAL RESIDENCY, LOCAL HIGHER EDUCATION, ATTENDANCE, INTERNAL HIRE AND INTERNSHIP, APPRENTICESHIP PREFERENCES TO EXISTING VETERAN, DISABLED VETERAN AND SURVIVING SPOUSE PREFERENCES.
IN REALITY, THIS AMENDMENT WOULD RENDER ALL NEW PREFERENCES MEANINGLESS, AND WE CAN, IF NOT ELIMINATE THE VALUE OF EXISTING VETERAN RELATED PREFERENCES.
PREFERENCES ARE IMPLANTED IN THE CHARTER THROUGH ASSIGNMENT OF POINTS, PRESUMING THAT THOSE WITH HIGHER POINTS BE CONSIDERED FOR EMPLOYMENT.
FIRST, THE CITY MANAGER AND SEVERAL DEPARTMENTS HEADS UNDER DIRECTION FROM THE CITY MANAGER HAVE OPENLY AND PUBLICLY STATED HOSTILITY TOWARDS CIVIL SERVICE RANKED CONSIDERATION OR BANDING, UM, REQUIREMENTS, RANKED CONSIDERATION, BANDING BEING THE LITERAL AND LOGICAL EXTENSION OF A FAIR AND TRANSPARENT POINT SYSTEM.
UNDER THIS AMENDMENT, THE CITY MANAGER OR HIS SURROGATES AND HUMAN RESOURCES WOULD HAVE THE POWER TO ELIMINATE, RANK, CONSIDERATION, AND BANDING FROM THE HIRING PROCESS AS A UNIVERSAL EXCEPTION, ALLOWING MANAGERS TO CHOOSE AT WILL, WHOM TO CONSIDER AND HIRE FROM THE ENTIRE LIST IN EVERY SEARCH, DISCIPLINARY AND INDUSTRIAL RETIREMENT APPEALS AMENDMENT LANGUAGE CLAIMS TO MAINTAIN INDEPENDENT AUTHORITY FOR DISCIPLINARY AND INDUSTRIAL RETIREMENT APPEALS INVESTIGATIONS AND DECISIONS THROUGH THE NEWLY FORMED CIVIL SERVICE EMPLOYEE RIGHTS AND APPEALS COMMISSION.
IN REALITY, THIS AMENDMENT ENSURES THAT THESE APPEALS WILL TAKE PLACE UNDER FULL CITY MANAGER CONTROL REASONING.
AS STATED, ALL INDEPENDENT STAFF, INCLUDING THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, HAVE BEEN ELIMINATED IN THIS PROPOSAL, DEPRIVING THE COMMISSION OF ALL INDEPENDENT INFORMATION AND ADVICE.
ANY SUCCESSOR COMMISSION WOULD NEED TO RELY ON INVESTIGATORY INFORMATION, EXPERT GUIDANCE AND PROCESS SUPPORT FROM AN ENTITY UNDER THE GENERAL AUTHORITY OF THE CITY MANAGER, SUCH AS HUMAN RESOURCES OR ANOTHER AUTHORITY WITH POSSIBLE VESTED INTERESTS.
SORRY, MY LIST IS COMING BACK A LITTLE BIT, BUT I WON'T.
UM, THE CITY MANAGER IS LISTED A COMPLAINANT ON ALL EMPLOYEE APPEALS, IS IN FACT THE INDIVIDUAL WHOSE DECISION IS BEING APPEALED.
AND IT WOULD DEFY ALL DUE PROCESS TO ALLOW A PERSON UNDER CONTROL OF THE CITY MANAGER TO TAKE PART IN ANY HEARINGS AND DELIBERATIONS AS AN ADVISOR.
COMPLAINTS RELATED TO THE HIRING PROCESS, AMENDMENT LANGUAGE CLAIMS TO MAINTAIN INDEPENDENT AUTHORITY TO RECEIVE AND RESOLVE COMPLAINTS RELATIVE TO THE HIRING PROCESS THROUGH THE NEWLY FORMED CIVIL SERVICE EMPLOYEE RIGHTS AND APPEALS COMMISSION.
IN REALITY, THIS AMENDMENT RENDERS THE COMMISSION POWERLESS AND INEFFECTUAL IN TAKING ANY STEPS TO CORRECT ABUSES.
POWERS RELATED TO RECOMMENDING CHANGES TO RULES AND REGULATIONS, SETTING EMPLOYEE CLASSIFICATIONS AND MAINTAINING ELIGIBILITY LISTS ARE REMOVED FROM THE COMMISSION AND DELEGATED TO HUMAN RESOURCES, WHICH SERVES UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF THE CITY MANAGER.
HR HAS ALSO STATED ITS INTENT TO ASSUME ALL AUTHORITY OVER NON-CAREER HOUR EXTENSIONS, PROVISIONAL APPOINTMENTS AND EXTENSIONS OF PROBATIONARY PERIODS.
POWERS RELATED TO INVESTIGATIONS ARE ALL DELEGATED TO THE CITY MANAGER VIA REFERRAL FROM THE CITY COUNCIL.
THESE ARE TITLED INDEPENDENT, BUT IN FACT, THE CITY MANAGER WOULD BE GIVEN AUTHORITY TO OVERSEE AN INVESTIGATION INTO HIS OWN PRACTICES AND THOSE OF HIS DEPARTMENTS.
AS STATED PREVIOUSLY, THE COMMISSION HAS NO STAFF.
FURTHER, NO LANGUAGE IN THIS CHARTER AMENDMENT SUGGESTS THAT THE COMMISSION HAS ANY ABILITY TO DIRECT ANY ENTITY OR ANY, ANY INDIVIDUAL TO RESOLVE ANYTHING.
THE ONLY OVERSIGHT MECHANISM GIVEN TO THE COMMISSION IS AN ANNUAL REPORT ON HIRING
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AS PRESENTED IN THE RED LINE LANGUAGE PROVIDED TO THE CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION ON WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 14TH, 2023.THIS PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENT GIVES VAST UNCHECKED POWER TO THE SAME MANAGER, EITHER DIRECTLY OR THROUGH HIS AUTHORITY OVER HUMAN RESOURCES.
FURTHER, ANY FUNCTIONS REMAINING TO THE COMMISSION ARE CORRUPTED OR FALSELY STATED WITH NO POWER OF INFORMATION GATHERING, NO ABILITY TO SEEK INDEPENDENT ADVICE AND NO AGENCY TO ACT INDEPENDENTLY.
THE CIVIL SERVICE EMPLOYEE RIGHTS AND APPEALS COMMISSION WOULD SERVE AS NOTHING OTHER THAN A FIG LEAF.
THE FALSE ILLUSION OF A MERIT SYSTEM WITH INDEPENDENT OVERSIGHT COULD LEAD EMPLOYEES TO ASSUME RECOURSE IS AVAILABLE WHERE NONE EXISTS, PUTTING THEMSELVES AT RISK FOR DISCRIMINATION, HARASSMENT, AND RETALIATION FOR EXERCISING THEIR PERCEIVED EMPLOYEE RIGHTS.
WITH THAT, I WILL OPEN, UH, THIS FOR DISCUSSION.
I NEED YOU TO CHANGE THE DATE FROM FEBRUARY 14TH, 23 TO 2024.
AND THEN I'D LIKE TO COMMENT THAT THIS IS WELL WRITTEN AND IT CONVEYS EXACTLY WHAT IS ON MY MIND.
THANK YOU, PRESIDENT HOLLANDS.
SO, WHICH MR. PRESIDENT, UM, I THINK THIS IS A FANTASTIC START TO OUR OFFICIAL, UM, FEEDBACK ON THIS AMENDMENT.
I THINK BASED ON LAST WEEK'S MEETING, THURSDAY'S MEETING, IT WAS MY PERCEPTION THAT MINES HAVE BEEN MADE UP AND THIS WILL GO ON THE BALLOT, WHICH IS OKAY.
HOWEVER, THE FEEDBACK THAT WE ARE TO GIVE SEEMED TO ONLY BE FOR CLARIFYING LANGUAGE.
THAT PART IS NOT ACCEPTABLE TO ME BECAUSE AS WE SAW TODAY, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE CAN FIX JUST WITH COMMUNICATION.
THERE'S A FEW TWEAKS TO MAYBE PROCESSES THAT, THAT WE CAN UPDATE, BUT CERTAINLY THE RISK TO THE EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY OF LONG BEACH AND AND TO THE PROSPECTIVE EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY OF LONG BEACH, UM, LOSING THESE RIGHTS IS, IS BIG BECAUSE WE ALL NEED A PLACE TO GO OR WE FEEL HEARD WITHOUT THE FEAR OF RETALIATION.
AND SO, UM, THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT FOR PUTTING THESE THOUGHTS TOGETHER WELL WRITTEN.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY FOR THE RECORD, LAST WEEK'S MEETING, UH, MR. MOCA SAID THAT HE WOULD GIVE US AN UPDATED TIMELINE FOR WHEN TO PROVIDE THIS FEEDBACK.
AS OF THE INFORMATION THAT HE PROVIDED LAST WEEK PRIOR TO LAST WEEK'S MEETING, THAT DEADLINE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE FRIDAY OF LAST WEEK.
UM, HE DID PROMISE TO GIVE US NEW TIMELINE AND WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED THAT AS OF TODAY.
SO WE'RE JUST WORKING ON GOOD FAITH THAT THIS TIMELINE HAS NOT PASSED US.
UM, WE DID ASK FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS, UM, LAST WEEK'S MEETING.
I DID ASK FOR, UM, TO HAVE THIS ON THE AGENDA TODAY AND TO HAVE A MEETING NEXT WEEK ON IT.
SO WE'RE OPERATING UNDER THIS TIMELINE THAT WE HAVE GIVEN OURSELVES BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T BEEN TOLD OTHERWISE.
UM, SO WITH THAT SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, RECOMMEND THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING OR ASK, I SHOULD SAY, IF WE THINK AS A COMMISSION, WE'LL BE ABLE TO HAVE SOMETHING COMPLETED BY NEXT WEEK'S MEETING TO PROVIDE OUR FINAL FEEDBACK, UM, ON THIS AMENDMENT.
DO WE THINK THAT'S TIMELY? WHAT, WHAT I'M WONDERING, UM, COMMISSIONER GARA IS IF THIS WERE STATED AS INITIAL CONCERNS AND, UM, LANGUAGE COULD BE PUT IN, UH, THIS, UH, AS AN INTRODUCTION, UH, REMOVING WHAT IS CURRENTLY HERE, UM, IF THIS WAS A STATEMENT OF INITIAL CONCERNS, UH, PROVIDED TO THE STATE MANAGER FOR, UH, TIMELY RESPONSE, UM, AND THAT WE WOULD CONTINUE TO DISCUSS IF THERE WAS FURTHER INPUT AND FEEDBACK, UM, WOULD THIS BE ACCEPTABLE TO AT LEAST ESSENTIALLY PUT OUR, PUT A PLACEHOLDER AND SAY, THIS IS WHERE WE WE STAND TODAY? YEAH, I THINK THIS IS, THIS IS GOOD TO PROVIDE AND YOU KNOW, AS, AS WE HAVE THIS, YOU KNOW, I DID MENTION THAT WE'RE RUNNING A FIRE DRILL, UNFORTUNATELY, UH, BUT A FIRE DRILL THAT IS NEEDED BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK UP FOR THE EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY OF LONG BEACH AND THE PROSPECTIVE EMPLOYEES OF THE,
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UH, FOR THE CITY OF LONG BEACH.SO PROVIDING THIS TO THE CITY MANAGER NOW, UM, I WOULD BE ALL IN FAVOR FOR IT AT SOME POINT, WHETHER IT BE NEXT WEEK OR IF WE THINK WE NEED A A WEEK MORE, UH, I DO FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD PROVIDE A FINAL STATEMENT FROM CIVIL SERVICE THAT CAPTURES THIS AND ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE THINK WE MAY WANT TO INCLUDE.
UM, AND SO MY, MY QUESTION FOR THAT FINAL STATEMENT, UM, OR FEEDBACK I SHOULD SAY, AS HAS BEEN REQUESTED BY THE CITY MANAGER, UM, IS THAT, DO WE THINK NEXT WEEK IS, IS TIMELY FOR THIS COMMISSION? I MEAN, WE ARE WORKING FAST, WE ARE SCHEDULING SPECIAL MEETINGS AROUND THIS.
UM, BUT I ALSO WANT TO NOTE THAT THIS REQUIRES SOME THOUGHT AND TIME.
SO, UM, WOULD WE BE READY TO PROVIDE OUR FINAL FEEDBACK REQUESTED BY THE CITY MANAGER BY NEXT WEEK? UH, I'D LIKE TO LEAVE IT OPEN A LITTLE BIT, MAYBE NEXT WEEK MIGHT BE PUSHING IT, MAYBE THE MIDDLE OF THE FOLLOWING WEEK BECAUSE I WANTED TO GIVE THE RANK AND FILE, ESPECIALLY THE RANK AND FILE AND CIVIL SERVICE, A CHANCE TO, TO WEIGH IN BECAUSE AS I SAID LAST, THE LAST MEETING WE HEARD FROM A LOT OF MANAGERS, DEPARTMENT HEADS, BUT WE HAVEN'T REALLY HEARD WHAT THE RANK AND FILE EMPLOYEES THINK, WHAT QUESTIONS THEY MIGHT HAVE.
UM, WE'VE BEEN LIMITED AS TO WHAT WE CAN SUBMIT AS A RESOLUTION, BUT WE SHOULD STILL HEAR WHAT THEY THINK.
UM, IN SPEAKING TO THAT, I'M, I'M WONDERING IF ANOTHER EVENING MEETING, UM, IS APPROPRIATE FOR RANK AND FILE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY WILL RESPOND BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF RANK AND FILE THAT WAS IN THE MEETING THAT WE HAD LAST, BUT THEY DIDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE COMING UP.
AND SO I WOULD, I WOULD SAY YES, WE COULD HAVE ANOTHER MEETING, BUT I WOULD ALSO OPEN IT UP TO ME PERSONALLY OFFERING, UH, ANYBODY WHO FEELS, UH, FUNNY, EMBARRASSED, NERVOUS, WHATEVER TO SPEAK IN PUBLIC TO PLEASE CONTACT ME WITH ANY CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
THEN I CAN FORWARD HIM TO OUR PRESIDENT AND WE CAN GO FROM THERE.
UH, VICE PRESIDENT GORDON PETERSON DOESN'T KNOW THIS YET, BUT I'VE ALREADY, UH, VOLUNTEERED HER AND I, UH, TO DO, UM, A CLOSED DOOR SESSION WITH EMPLOYEES OF THE DEPARTMENT.
UM, BUT WE OBVIOUSLY CAN'T DO THAT CLOSED DOOR IF WE MEET AS AN ENTIRE COMMISSION.
SO I HADN'T EVEN TOLD VICE PRESIDENT GORDON PETERSON YET THAT THIS WAS A, A THOUGHT, BUT, UM, UH, I HAD, UH, AT LEAST INITIALLY ACCEPTED ON OUR BEHALF.
I AM DEFINITELY UP FOR THE TASK.
UM, SO IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT, THEN I THINK IF WE ARE ABLE TO DO THAT AND MAYBE HOLD AND AFTER HOURS MEETING FOR US TO JUST NAIL DOWN FINAL LANGUAGE, UM, I WOULD STILL, JUST TO PUT THAT PLACEHOLDER DOWN IF WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THIS, UM, ASK FOR THE COMMISSION'S DIRECTION, UM, TO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE HEADER WILL CHANGE A LITTLE BIT TO TAIL MAY CHANGE A LITTLE BIT.
BUT THE CONTENT WILL REMAIN SUBSTANTIVELY THE SAME.
INITIAL THOUGHTS ARE FANTASTIC.
UM, AND, UH, YEAH, JUST TO, TO PUT A BOW ON THE REQUEST THAT OUR CITY MANAGER HAS, UH, REQUESTED, I WOULD LIKE A FORMAL RESPONSE FEEDBACK TO THE AMENDMENT, THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT CHANGES.
SO, UM, THIS WAS MOVED BY COMMISSIONER GARCA SECOND.
UM, SO ALTHOUGH WE MAY TAKE A FINAL STANCE, AND I, I DON'T LIKE THAT TERM FINAL MYSELF, UM, I'M NOT GONNA TAKE, PERSONALLY, I'M NOT GONNA TAKE A FINAL STANCE ON ANYTHING IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS.
UM, I'M GONNA TAKE MY FINAL STANCE WHEN, IF THIS GOES ON THE BALLOT, WHEN I VOTE AS A VOTER, THAT'S WHEN I TAKE MY FINAL STANCE ON LANGUAGE AND ALL OF THAT.
UM, I'M CONTINUING TO LEARN, I'M CONTINUING TO RECEIVE NEW INFORMATION.
SO I REALLY DO WANT TO HEAR FROM STAFF AND I WANT TO HEAR WHATEVER Y'ALL HEAR FROM STAFF WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR CLOSED DOOR SESSIONS.
UM, I, I, I WANT TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD.
I DON'T HAVE A FINAL STANCE YET.
I, I, I THINK I'M, I'M IN TOTAL AGREEMENT THAT THIS IS THE STAND THAT WE CURRENTLY SHOULD TAKE.
UM, BUT I ALSO WANT TO CONTINUE TO HEAR FROM STAFF.
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TO HEAR FROM LABOR.I WANTED TO CONTINUE TO HEAR HOW THOSE MEETINGS DEVELOP, RIGHT? THEY'RE DOING THEIR OWN WORK.
WE'RE NOT THE ONLY ONES DOING THIS WORK.
UM, I ALSO WANNA CREATE, UM, TIME AND OPPORTUNITY AND SPACE FOR OUR LABOR PARTNERS TO CONTINUE THEIR CONVERSATIONS, UM, IN THIS.
SO, UM, I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD.
I, AND THAT'S THE REASON LETTER OF CONCERN IS SORT OF THE TERM OF ART.
THAT'S USUALLY IN BILL MAKING.
WHAT YOU DO BEFORE THE LANGUAGE IS ACTUALLY FINALIZED, LAY OUT THE CONCERNS, UM, BECAUSE I AGREE WITH YOU UNTIL THERE'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING ON THE BALLOT, THERE'S NOT SOMETHING DIRECTLY FOR US TO TAKE A POSITION ON, BUT WE CAN EXPRESS OUR CONCERNS TODAY.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M HOPING WE'RE COMFORTABLE DOING.
AND THEN, UM, ALSO JUST I WANTED TO NOTE FROM, FROM LAST WEEK, UM, LAST THURSDAY EVENINGS MEETING THAT WE HAD, UH, THE TWO SAME SPEAKERS THAT SPOKE UP IN FAVOR OF THIS AMENDMENT CHANGE WERE THE TWO SAME SPEAKERS THAT WE HAD HERE AT COMMISSION TALKING ABOUT A POSITION THAT WAS HARD TO FILL.
AND IT'S DISAPPOINTING TO HAVE HAD THE SAME TWO PEOPLE COME BEFORE COMMISSION.
UH, MAYBE IT WAS RIGHT, RIGHT AROUND THE HOLIDAY.
I THINK RIGHT BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR, SPEAK TO WHY THEY CAN'T HIRE SOMEBODY, RIGHT? AND THESE ARE ALL THE SAME.
UH, I DON'T REMEMBER THE DETAILS, BUT IT WAS A VERY SPECIFIC CERTIFICATION THAT, THAT, UH, POSITION REQUIRED.
AND SO TO HEAR THE OPPOSITE AND NOT HAVE HEARD THEIR CONCERNS WHEN THEY WERE HERE SPECIFICALLY TO SPEAK ON A MATTER IS DISAPPOINTING.
UM, AND IT'S NOT TO CALL OUT THOSE TWO INDIVIDUALS, IT'S JUST TO SAY THAT WE'RE MISSING THIS OPPORTUNITY THAT IF THERE ARE REAL CONCERNS, YOU KNOW, YOU TOLD US WHY YOU CAN'T HIRE, BUT THEN LAST WEEK WE HEARD AS TO WHY CIVIL SERVICE WAS THE ISSUE AS TO WHY THEY COULDN'T HIRE, OR THESE, YOU KNOW, THESE, I DON'T REMEMBER THEIR SPECIFIC, UM, REMARKS LAST WEEK.
AND SO, I MEAN, THAT JUST GOES TO SAY, AND THAT'S ALSO WITH ANIMAL SERVICES.
THEY ALSO CAME TO SPEAK TO US ABOUT, UM, THE DIFFICULTIES IN HIRING.
UM, BUT THEY DIDN'T MENTION ANY CONCERNS THAT THEY HAD OR ANY TROUBLE THAT THEY HAD WITH THE PROCESS OF HOW CIVIL SERVICE DOES THEIR PART.
AND SO ALL OF THIS IS TO SAY, NOT TO CALL OUT PEOPLE DEPARTMENTS, BUT TO SAY THAT WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB AT COMMUNICATING.
THERE'S TRULY VERY LITTLE THAT WE CAN'T RESOLVE WITH COMMUNICATING.
AND SO IF WE KNOW WHAT THOSE CONCERNS ARE, NOW, WE COULD HAVE, WE COULD HAVE HAD A LEG UP WITH THESE TWO SPECIFIC DEPARTMENTS THAT CAME TO SPEAK TO US AT A COMMISSION MEETING LATE LAST YEAR AS TO WHAT THE TROUBLES WERE THAT THEY TALKED ABOUT LAST WEEK.
HOWEVER, THEY DIDN'T GIVE CIVIL SERVICE AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK ON THAT IF THEY DIDN'T COMMUNICATE THAT UNTIL THEIR BOSS, THE CITY MANAGER, ASKED THEM TO SPEAK TO THAT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT ON RECORD AND CONTINUE TO URGE OUR STAKEHOLDERS TO SPEAK TO US.
I'M VERY THANKFUL FOR THE PEOPLE THAT SPOKE TO US TODAY ABOUT THE EXPIRING LIST OR THE LIST EXTENSIONS, I SHOULD SAY.
THOSE ARE THE TYPE OF CONVERSATIONS THAT, THAT WILL HELP US ALL GET THROUGH TO OUR END GOAL FOR ALL OF US, WHICH IS HIRING GOOD PEOPLE FOR THE CITY OF LONG BEACH.
AND TO, UM, TRAIL ONTO YOU, UH, COMMISSIONER GARA, THERE WAS A STATEMENT, UM, THAT WAS MADE AND THE REASON WHY I, UM, I TALKED ABOUT SLIDE 18.
I WILL TALK ABOUT SLIDE 18 UNTIL, UH, THIS MEASURE HITS THE BALLOT OR DOES NOT.
THERE WAS A COMMENT THAT THE CITY MANAGER PUT IN SLIDE 18 ABOUT HE INTENDED TO HOLD DEPARTMENT HEADS ACCOUNTABLE AND THAT THERE WERE GOING TO BE METRICS THAT THEY WOULD BE RATED ON REGARDING THE HIRING.
I TEMPERED MY TONGUE, UH, BECAUSE I ALWAYS WANNA BE RESPECTFUL.
AND SO WHEN I'M UPSET OR I DON'T LIKE SOMETHING THAT I'VE HEARD, I DON'T SPEAK ON IT RIGHT AWAY.
'CAUSE I ALWAYS WANNA BE RESPECTFUL.
BUT I'M GOING TO GO ON THE RECORD WITH A COMMENT ABOUT SLIDE 18 ACCOUNTABILITY AND HOLDING DEPARTMENT HEADS ACCOUNTABLE.
WE DID NOT NEED TO DO A CHARTER AMENDMENT TO HOLD DEPARTMENT HEADS ACCOUNTABLE.
THAT SHOULD HAVE ALREADY OCCURRED
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BECAUSE HE PUT IT ON THE SLIDE.HE WAS NOW GOING TO HAVE ACCOUNTABILITY.
AND I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT SLIDE 18 UNTIL IT RUNS OUT OF THE BUILDING.
THE OTHER COMMENT THAT THE CITY MANAGER MADE WAS BECAUSE ALL THE COMMISSIONERS SAID THE SAME THING.
AND, AND WE SAID IT BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT TO US.
WE SAID, IF THERE WAS A LINE OF COMMUNICATION THAT WE FAILED, WHY WASN'T ANYONE COMING FORWARD? WHY DIDN'T ANYONE TALK TO US? AND I REMEMBER THE COMMENT WHILE WE WERE TALKING TO YOUR DEPARTMENT HEAD.
SHE SHOULD HAVE TOLD YOU, REALLY, REALLY, SLIDE 18 SAYS ACCOUNTABILITY.
IF OUR DIRECTOR, IF OUR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR WAS FAILING TO COMMUNICATE TO US THAT THERE WAS AN ISSUE, WHY DIDN'T YOU, WHY DO YOU WAIT UNTIL IT DISSOLVES INTO A MATTER OF NOTHINGNESS TO THEN COME FORWARD WITH CHANGES WHEN WE COULD HAVE GOT A IN FRONT OF THIS RUNAWAY TRAIN LONG BEFORE? BECAUSE WE HAVE COMPETENT INDIVIDUALS IN THESE POSITIONS.
WHEN THE CITY HIRES AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OR A BUREAU MANAGER, THEY'RE HIRING THE BEST PERSON FOR THAT POSITION.
AND HANDS DOWN, I KNOW WE HAVE THE BEST DIRECT DEPARTMENT HEADS THAT MONEY CAN PAY FOR.
AND SO IF THERE WAS A PROBLEM, I DON'T HOLD THE DEPARTMENT HEAD ACCOUNT FOR THE ACCOUNTABILITY FACTOR.
I HOLD OUR CITY MANAGER ACCOUNTABLE.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHILE WE'RE GOING FORWARD, THAT WE MAINTAIN AN OPEN LINE OF COMMUNICATION.
THAT WE STILL CONTINUE TO WORK REALLY HARD TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT THE BEST PEOPLE, UH, UH, WILL GET HIRED BY THE CITY.
THAT WE TAKE OUT BARRIERS THAT ARE IMPEDIMENTS TO US MOVING FORWARD.
BUT I WANT US ALL TO LOOK AT THIS.
IF YOU TAKE NOTHING AWAY FROM ANYTHING I'VE SAID, SLIDE 18 SAID ACCOUNTABILITY.
SLIDE 18 SAID THE CITY MANAGER WAS NOW GOING TO HOLD DEPARTMENT HEADS ACCOUNTABLE.
MY QUESTION IS, WHERE WAS THE ACCOUNTABILITY BEFORE? AND IF CHRISTINA WAS NOT TALKING TO THE COMMISSIONERS, WHY DIDN'T HE? THANK YOU.
ANYTHING FURTHER? COMMISSIONERS? YES.
I'LL JUST, I'LL JUST ADD, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT ONE OF THE GOOD THINGS WITH THESE DIFFICULT CONVERSATIONS OR JUST DIFFICULT LANGUAGE THAT HAS GOING, BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH, UM, IS, LIKE I SAID LAST WEEK, A GOOD THING TO COME OUT OF THIS IS THAT WE'VE ALL HAD THIS COME TO JESUS MOMENT ABOUT THE THINGS THAT ARE NOT QUITE WORKING.
WHETHER IT BE, UH, COMMUNICATION PROCESSES, UH, YOU KNOW, I MENTIONED SOME OTHER THINGS.
WAGES, PEOPLE SHOWING UP OR NOT SHOWING UP.
AND I TALKED ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE UN UNDER OUR CONTROL, THINGS THAT WE CAN CHANGE AND THINGS THAT WE CANNOT CHANGE.
WAGES WAS SOMETHING THAT CITY MANAGER CAN WORK ON TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR PEOPLE ARE GETTING PAID PROPERLY AND NOT GOING TO OTHER MUNICIPALITIES.
AND THEN PROCESSES, PROCESSES IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN WORK WITH.
UH, A TREND OF GHOSTING OR NOT SHOWING UP OR, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
UH, HOUSING PRICES, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE OUT OF OUR CONTROL.
SO I'D LIKE TO FOCUS ON THE THINGS THAT WE CAN CONTROL.
SO PROCESSES, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD THIS COME TO JESUS MOMENT WHERE PEOPLE ARE SHARING THEIR CONCERNS, WE'RE LISTENING, AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN AFFECT CHANGE, POSITIVE CHANGE TO THOSE THINGS THAT WE CAN CONTROL.
SO WITH EVERY CONCERN THAT WE HEAR, WE'RE DIRECTING STAFF TO LOOK MORE INTO WHAT THAT MEANS.
SO WE CAN, UH, TAKE CORRECTIVE COURSE OF ACTION.
AND THEN I INVITE THE CITY MANAGER TO LOOK AT THE WAGES BECAUSE WE SEE HERE WITH RESIGNATIONS, UM, WHICH WE GET TO LOOK AT IT EVERY MEETING, THAT WE'RE A GOOD TRAINING GROUND.
I MEAN, WE, WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT TAKES MONEY TO, TO TRAIN SOMEONE, UM, FOR THEM THEN TO GO TO A DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITY TO WORK.
THAT'S A, THAT'S A BIG KIT TO THE CITY OF LONG BEACH.
UM, SO I INVITE HIM TO LOOK AT THAT.
UM, I ALSO INVITE THAT OPEN COMMUNICATION.
AND I REALLY WANNA THANK EVERYONE WHO HAS STEPPED UP TO COMMUNICATE.
SOMETIMES THINGS ARE HARD TO HEAR, HOWEVER, WE CAN'T CHANGE SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE DON'T KNOW IS AN ISSUE.
AND SO, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, TODAY, WE'RE STARTING FROM A VERY GOOD POINT.
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WE'RE, WE'RE HUMANS BEHIND ALL OF THESE THINGS.AND SO I'M, I'M REALLY HAPPY TO HEAR FROM OUR STAKEHOLDERS THAT THEY WORK WELL WITH, WITH THE CIVIL SERVICE DEPARTMENT.
SO THAT'S ALREADY A GREAT START.
THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS, UH, WITH THAT OUTTA THE WAY, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE CAN FIGURE OUT.
AND SO LET'S KEEP THESE CONVERSATIONS GOING.
WE KNOW THIS IS GONNA GO ON THE BALLOT.
WE KNOW PEOPLE HAVE MADE UP THEIR MINDS, THE, THE PEOPLE WHO WANT THIS TO GO ON THE BALLOT HAVE MADE UP THEIR MINDS.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE VOTERS OF THE CITY OF LONG BEACH ARE GONNA DECIDE.
SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO, TO WORK ON SOLUTIONS AS WE HAVE BEEN.
AND HOPEFULLY, UM, THE BEST COMES OUT OF THIS IS THAT WE CAN FIGURE OUT THESE SOLUTIONS.
UM, AND NOT JUST IF, IF IT HAPPENS TO GO THROUGH THAT WE DON'T TRANSFER PROBLEMS FROM ONE AREA TO THE OTHER.
'CAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF WE DON'T RESOLVE THESE THINGS, WE'RE JUST TRANSFERRING THE PROBLEM TO ANOTHER DEPARTMENT.
I REALLY THANK ALL OF YOU FOR, FOR KEEPING THAT LINE OPEN.
JUST ONE MORE OBSERVATION AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, I'LL, I'LL MAKE A SUGGESTION FOR A SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
UM, WE PRETTY MUCH DISSECTED THIS THING, THE EXTENSION OF LISTS.
AND WE CAME UP WITH ONE LIST TO TAKE OFF THIS VERY, VERY LONG LIST.
UM, THAT WAS ESSENTIALLY THE ONE ARGUMENT THAT PEOPLE KEPT ON MAKING IS THAT LISTS WERE STALE AND GETTING EXTENDED.
WE DID ACCEPTED THIS THING AND WE CAME TO ONE THAT REALLY NEEDED TO GO.
I WOULD CERTAINLY HOPE THAT YOU COMMUNICATE BACK TO YOUR, YOUR BOSSES, YOUR DEPARTMENT HEADS, YOUR CITY MANAGER.
BUT NONE OF THE, NOTHING THAT IS ON THIS LIST SHOULD BE BROUGHT UP EVER AGAIN BECAUSE WE'VE TALKED NOW THROUGH EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THESE.
UM, AND WE HAVE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR, BE HEARD ON EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THESE.
SO I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ANY OF THESE ELIGIBLE LISTS USED AS AN EXAMPLE OF CIVIL SERVICE NOT DOING ITS JOB.
ALRIGHT, UM, I'M, I'M JUST, YEAH, WE TALK A LOT.
I KNOW
BUT TO, TO WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, OUR AUDIENCE IS PRETTY THIN ON OUR STAKEHOLDERS.
AND I MEAN, I SEE OUR CIVIL SERVICE DEPARTMENT HERE.
AND I DO SEE SOME STAKEHOLDERS HERE.
HOWEVER, THE VAST MAJORITY OF STAKEHOLDERS ARE NOT IN THE AUDIENCE.
AND SO IT'S REALLY HARD TO SAY THAT YOU'RE HAVING CHALLENGES AND HAVE BEEN COMMUNICATING YET YOU'RE NOT SHOWING UP.
AND I'M SPEAKING TO EMPTY CHAIRS.
I MEAN,
I'M PREACHING, PREACHING TO THE CHOIR HERE.
I INVITED OUR CITY MANAGER TO PERHAPS MEET LATER IN THE DAY SO DEPARTMENT HEADS CAN MAKE IT TO THIS MEETING.
NOW THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A SECOND.
AS YOU LOOK AROUND AT EMPTY CHAIRS, WE ASKED TO HEAR THE CONCERNS.
WE WANNA BE PART OF THE SOLUTION, NOT PART OF THE PROBLEM YET.
WHO IS HERE IN THE AUDIENCE? I MEAN, LOOK AROUND.
LOOK AT HOW MANY EMPTY CHAIRS WE HAVE.
ARE THEY STREAMING ONLINE? 'CAUSE THEY CAN'T PROVIDE FE FEEDBACK THAT WAY.
SO SERIOUSLY, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE ISSUE, WHO'S NOT HERE, AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN BECAUSE THESE MINUTES EXIST FOR A REASON.
OUR CITY MANAGER IS NOT HERE, NOR DID HE GIVE US AN UPDATED TIMELINE, NOR DID HE COMMUNICATE THAT IT WAS NOT REASONABLE TO CHANGE THE CITY MANAGER MEETING THE DEPARTMENT HEAD MEETING TO A DIFFERENT TIME.
BUT WE WANNA TAKE THIS TO THE BALLOT.
I JUST WANTED TO BE NOTED THAT WE HAD A LOT OF DEPARTMENT HEADS COME LAST WEEK TO TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES, BUT NONE OF THEM ARE HERE OR THEY'RE REPRESENTATIVES.
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SO IT'S REALLY HARD TO DO THE WORK WHEN THE OTHER HALF IS NOT HERE TO WORK WITH US TO FIND SOLUTIONS.I WOULD ASK, UH, OUR MOTION, UH, WAS BY, UH, COMMISSIONER IKA.
OUR SECOND WAS BY VICE PRESIDENT GORDON PETERSON.
I WOULD ASK FOR A SUBSTITUTE MOTION TO BE ADOPTED FRIENDLY, UM, WHICH WOULD BE, UH, TO DIRECT THE PRESIDENT OF THE CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION TO PREPARE A LETTER OF CONCERN TO GO TO THE CITY AS AN INITIAL RESPONSE, UM, TO THE, UH, PROPOSED BALLOT OR THE PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENT.
IS THAT ACCEPTED? AND THE, I I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S PART OF THE LANGUAGE FOR THIS TO THEN HAVE THAT FOLLOW UP MEETING AND I SEE THE FINAL FEEDBACK BECAUSE I, AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, TIE THE BOW AROUND THE FEEDBACK THAT HAS BEEN REQUESTED OF US.
UM, BUT FINAL KIND OF IN, IN THE TERMS THAT COMMISSIONER ASUNA SAID, THIS IS THE FINAL AT THIS MOMENT.
SO, UH, WHAT WAS SAID ABOUT THE LETTER OF CONCERN AND THEN ALONG WITH THAT, UM, DIRECT, UH, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR TO SCHEDULE A SPECIAL MEETING, UM, FOR THE LONG BEACH CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK.
SO THAT HAS BEEN ACCEPTED BY THE MOTION.
AND SECOND, UM, WITH THAT, UH, I THINK WE'RE READY TO CAST VOTE.
ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU COLLEAGUES.
THAT CARRIES ALRIGHT, THAT WILL MOVE US TO, UH, ITEM 14, UH, RECOMMENDATION
[14. 24-52334 Recommendation to receive and file reports from Civil Service Managers. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]
TO RECEIVE AND FILE, UH, REPORTS FROM CIVIL SERVICE MANAGERS.CHRISTINA, I KNOW WE'RE RUNNING VERY SHORT ON TIME, RIGHT? AND THE ONLY THING I WOULD THINK WE WANT TO DO IS INTRODUCE YOU TO A NEW STAFF MEMBER OKAY.
AND SO, CAPRICE, YOU WANNA INTRODUCE OUR NEW STAFF MEMBER? YES.
UM, UH, WE ARE FORTUNATE TO HAVE, UH, MR. STEVEN ROBLES.
HE COMES TO US FROM PRIVATE SECTOR, BUT HE HAS, UH, EXPERIENCE OF BACKGROUND AND WE HIRED HIM FROM THE PERSONNEL ANALYST LIST.
AND JUST WANNA WELCOME HIM AND INTRODUCE HIM TO THE COMMISSION.
UH, MY NAME IS STEVEN ROBLES, A NEW PERSONAL ANALYST HERE WITH THE CIVIL SERVICE DEPARTMENT.
UM, JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE INTRODUCTION.
I AM MYSELF, A CITIZEN OF LONG BEACH.
I'M A PROUD GRADUATE OF CAL STATE LONG BEACH.
UH, LONG BEACH CITY COLLEGE, THE LONG BEACH UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT,
SO I AM VERY PROUD TO BE HERE AND READY TO WORK WITH THE CIVIL SERVICE TEAM, THE COMMISSION, AND, UH, RESPECTED, UH, DEPARTMENTS HERE WITH THE CITY OF LONG BEACH.
HIGH SCHOOL, UH, LAKEWOOD HIGH SCHOOL.
AND IF I MAY, IF I CAN MAKE JUST TWO QUICK COMMENTS.
I KNOW WE'RE SHORT ON TIME, BUT YOU KNOW, I'VE DEFINITELY PUT ASIDE, I JUST WANNA SAY IT WAS A GREAT MEETING.
APPRECIATE HEARING, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNICATION OPPORTUNITIES FOR IMPROVEMENT.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I SEE THAT CAN BE VERY HELPFUL, STAFF MIGHT SAY NO, BUT, UM, THEIR BULLETIN PRESENTATION.
I THINK THERE'S SOME REAL IMPORTANT FACTS THAT WE SHOULD SLIDE INTO THE AGENDA PACKETS BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO KNOW LIKE, WHAT HAPPENED TO THE LAST LIST? WHY ARE WE HERE TODAY AND HOW MANY VACANCIES? AND THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU SEE ON THE BULLETIN.
AND ALSO, UM, I WOULD LIKE AT SOME POINT TO DO AN EXPIRING ELIGIBLE TRAINING THAT I PROVIDED FOR A COMMISSION A COUPLE YEARS BACK.
AND ALSO THE ORGANIZATION, WE HAD A SKILL BUILDING TRAINING ON THAT, UM, LAST YEAR, BUT IT WAS VERY LOW IN ATTENDANCE.
AND I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE RATIONALE IS AND WHY DO WE DO WHAT WE DO.
AND, UM, COMMUNICATION IS IMPORTANT.
AND ALSO IT, ANOTHER THING I THINK WE COULD, COULD DO AN OPPORTUNITY FOR IMPROVEMENT IS YOU SEE THE LIST THAT WE ARE EXTENDING, WHICH YOU'RE NOT SEEING AS A LIST THAT WE'RE ALLOWING TO EXPIRE.
AND I SAID, THINK THAT ALSO TELLS THE OTHER HALF OF THE STORY, WHICH YOU'RE NOT GETTING.
AND I WILL CONCLUDE WITH THAT AND I'LL GIVE YOU, UM, NEXT COMMISSION.
MINA, I'LL GIVE YOU UPDATE ON STAFF'S ACTIVITY BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN WORKING VERY HARD.
YEAH, THANK YOU CAPRICE AND THE WHOLE TEAM.
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YOU.BUT, UH, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT AND THE, THE MORE CONVERSATIONS WE HAVE AND THE INFORMATION THAT, THAT I USED TO RECEIVE AS A NEW COMMISSIONER FIVE, SIX YEARS AGO LOOKS VERY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE GET TODAY.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE OF ONGOING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHAT WE WANNA SEE, BECAUSE WE WANNA UNDERSTAND.
AND SO THANK YOU, UM, FOR THINKING ABOUT WHAT WE MAY NEED TO SEE TO HAVE, UH, A BIGGER, FULLER PICTURE OF WHAT'S ACTUALLY GOING ON.
I'M A FELLOW LANCER, AND IT'S RARE AMONGST A SEA OF BRUINS AND JACKRABBITS.
SEE, THIS IS WHERE GOING TO CAJON HIGH SCHOOL AND SAN BERNARDINO DOESN'T QUITE FIT IN.
I I'M JUST GONNA GO ON THE RECORD AND SAY THAT I WAS A LANCER.
I WAS A RAM, I WAS A JACK RABBIT.
YOU KNOW WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS? I DO HAVE MY OLDEST GRANDCHILD.
IT'S GO ZOO FOR COMMISSIONER UNA
ACTUALLY, FOR THOSE OF US WHO ATTENDED CAL STATE LONG BEACH, WE HAVE LIKE FOUR OR FIVE MASCOTS JUST FOR THE ONE, UH, UNIVERSITY.
THERE'S EVIDENTLY A LOT OF LOVE IN LONG BEACH, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I ABSOLUTELY ADORE ABOUT MY CITY.
UH, BUT WE GOT, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME GO BEACH WITH, YOU'RE RIGHT, A BUNCH OF, A BUNCH OF MASCOTS.
ALRIGHT, SO, UH, WE ARE MOVING IN.
WE NEED TO TAKE A VOTE SO WE CAN RECEIVE A FILE AND FILE.
THAT WILL MOVE US INTO ANNOUNCEMENTS.
[ANNOUNCEMENTS]
HAVE A REQUEST FROM COMMISSIONER ASUNA.UM, FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, STAFF, UM, FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE WANTED TO BRING AN ISSUE UP THAT'S BEEN ON MY MIND FOR SOME TIME.
UM, YOU KNOW, I'M IN A LOT OF PUBLIC SPACES.
I PARTICIPATE IN A LOT OF PUBLIC TYPE HEARINGS, AND, UH, MOST OF THE STUFF THAT I DO, UH, IS IN RELATIONSHIP TO LA COUNTY.
UM, AND IT'S BECOME STANDARD PRACTICE FOR THE COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES.
UH, ESPECIALLY IF, UH, IF THEY'RE HOSTING, IF ONE OF THEIR DEPARTMENTS IS HOSTING A PUBLIC HEARING, A PUBLIC MEETING TO, UH, TAKE ON THE PRACTICE.
IT'S A MANDATED PRACTICE FOR THE COUNTY NOW TO, UH, DO A LAND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT, UM, AS THEY COMMENCE THEIR MEETINGS.
UM, I'D LIKE TO, UH, ASK THIS COMMISSION TO CONSIDER, UH, HAVING THAT BE PART OF OUR AGENDA MOVING FORWARD FOR AS LONG AS WE, UH, EXIST AS A COMMISSION.
UM, AND WE HAVE THE POWER TO DO THAT.
UH, I THINK THAT WE OWE IT TO THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE THAT, UM, INHABITED AND STILL INHABIT.
THEY'RE OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
UM, AND THIS LAND WAS STOLEN FROM THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE THAT WERE HERE.
IT WAS INHABITED BY THE TONGA PEOPLE.
AND I THINK THAT AS A COMMISSION, UH, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HERE IN LONG BEACH, WE CAN BE INNOVATIVE ABOUT AND SET AN EXAMPLE, I THINK, FOR OTHER SPACES HOSTED BY THE CITY IN MAKING IT A VERY STANDARD PRACTICE OF ACKNOWLEDGING AND ALSO MAKING IT A CALL TO ACTION.
I'D LOVE TO LOOK AT THE CITY'S CURRENT, UH, LAND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT THE UTILIZE FROM TIME TO TIME.
BUT I'M REALLY MORE ABOUT NOT JUST ACKNOWLEDGEMENT, BUT A CALL TO ACTION, UM, IN RECOGNIZING ALL THE HARM THAT WE HAVE DONE TO THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE HERE IN THE LAND THAT WE NOW CALL THE UNITED STATES.
UM, ACKNOWLEDGING THEIR SUFFERING AND EVERYTHING WE'VE TAKEN FROM THEM.
SO, JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE.
UM, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT AT A FURTHER MEETING, BUT I WANTED COMMISSIONERS TO HAVE IT ON THEIR MIND AND, AND TO LET FOLKS KNOW THAT THAT'S WHERE I'M AT.
UH, COMMISSIONER ASUNA, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT, UH, TO THE COMMISSION.
UH, I SERVE ON THE PERSONNEL COMMISSION FOR LONG BEACH CITY COLLEGE AND, UH, THE LONG BEACH CITY COLLEGE TRUSTEES ROUTINELY, UH, ALONG WITH THE FOUNDATION, RECOGNIZE, UH, WHAT HAS BEEN THE ATROCITIES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE IN THE PAST.
AND WE ALWAYS, UH, GIVE REVERENCE AND THANKS, UH, FOR THIS LAND THAT WE ARE OCCUPYING.
UH, SO I HAVE NO PROBLEM, UH, WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATION.
I WANT TO THANK YOU, UH, AND I WANNA APOLOGIZE FOR BEING SHORTSIGHTED BECAUSE I AM VERY AWARE THAT WE SHOULD ALWAYS ACKNOWLEDGE
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ONCE WE COME.I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO ON PREROGATIVE.
WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO VOTE.
SO IF, UM, COMMISSIONER OSUNA AND COMMISSIONER, UH, VICE PRESIDENT GORDON PETERSON, IF YOU WANNA WORK WITH, UM, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR ON APPROPRIATE LANGUAGE, UH, I THINK WE CAN JUST ADD THAT TO OUR AGENDA AS SOON AS THAT IS, UM, READY.
ANYTHING FURTHER ANNOUNCEMENTS? YES.
UM, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T GET, UH, AN OPPORTUNITY IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS BECAUSE OF, UH, BIG TOPICS.
UM, BUT I DO WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE, UH, VALENTINE'S DAY, AND I WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE WHAT, UH, IN LATIN AMERICA WE CELEBRATE AS DIAD.
UM, WE'VE HEARD ABOUT THE FABULOUS PEOPLE BEHIND ALL THE WORK THAT WE DO, WHETHER IT BE OUR STAKEHOLDERS OR OUR DEPARTMENT.
I HAVE, UH, STOLEN SOME CANDY FROM SOMEBODY'S DESK, VALENTINE'S RELATED IN THE DEPARTMENT.
AND ALSO, AS IT COMES TO A CLOSE, I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE, UH, BLACK HISTORY MONTH THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD A, AN OPPORTUNITY TO ACKNOWLEDGE THIS MONTH.
UM, SO ACKNOWLEDGING OUR BLACK HISTORY, NOT JUST IN THE MONTH OF FEBRUARY, BUT YEAR LONG.
ANYTHING FURTHER FROM THE COMMISSION? HEARING NONE, UH, THAT WILL BRING US TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION ON NON AGENDA ITEMS.
[PUBLIC COMMENT Opportunity to address the Civil Service Commission on non-agenda items. ]
YES, SIR.HOW'S EVERYONE DOING TODAY? WE'RE DOING GREAT.
WELL, IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE.
I HOLD THE HONOR AND THE PRIVILEGE TO REPRESENT, UH, THE 3000 FOLKS HERE IN THE CITY OF LONG BEACH.
ONE OF THEM BEING YOUR DEPARTMENT HERE, CIVIL SERVICE, UH, THE MACHINIST UNION.
UH, NOT FOREIGN TO A GOOD FIGHT, BUT A CONTRACTUAL FIGHT HERE WITH THE CITY OF LONG BEACH TO NOT ONLY BRING GOOD PAYING JOBS TO THE CITY, BUT ALSO AS A RECRUITMENT AID, RIGHT? I THINK WHAT YOU ALL SAID WAS CORRECT.
WE WANNA COME UP WITH PROBLEMS AND FIX 'EM, NOT JUST TALK ABOUT 'EM AND PUT A BANDAID ON THEM.
SO WE'RE COMMITTED TO WORK WITH THE CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION IN REGARDS TO WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS WORK FOR EVERYONE.
UM, THOSE FOLKS THAT YOU REPRESENT THROUGH SERVICE BULLETINS, AND THESE LISTS END UP BEING OUR MEMBERS.
SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO FIX THE PROBLEM OF NOT JUST HIRING PEOPLE THAT HAVE NO PROTECTION, BUT THAT ACTUALLY HAVE A FULL TIME AND COMMITMENT TO THE CITY.
SO THANK YOU ALL FOR THE WORK THAT YOU ALL DO TO THE CITY HEADS HERE.
SOME OF YOU, I'M, I'M FANS OF SOME OF YOU.
I, I GUESS I JURY'S STILL OUT, BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE TIME,
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH, COMMISSIONERS.
THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK YOU DO,
YOUR INTEREST ARE WELL-ROUNDED
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HEARD ME, JUST IN CASE YOU DIDN'T SAY THAT.
AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR COMING TO THE PODIUM AND THANK YOU FOR MAKING MY DAY.
IT WAS A, A, A POST VALENTINE'S, BUT THANK YOU.
THERE'S SOME GOOD ONES ON LIZ'S DESK.
LINDA, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
AND I'D JUST LIKE TO MAKE TWO QUICK COMMENTS.
ONE, UM, I'VE BEEN ASKED LIKE, HEY, HOW ARE YOU GONNA WORK WITH, YOU KNOW, THE ORGANIZATION? I JUST WANNA SAY THE COMMISSION AND THE ORGANIZATION THAT I WORK WITH SUCH A GREAT PROFESSIONAL STAFF.
WE ARE GONNA CONTINUE TO DOING THE WORK THAT WE'RE CHARGED TO DO.
AND, UM, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO SERVE YOU AND WE'RE ALSO GONNA BE OPEN-MINDED AND, AND TAKE ALL OF THIS AS A LEARNING OPPORTUNITY.
BUT, UM, KNOW, I JUST WANT THE ORGANIZATION TO KNOW THAT, HEY, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE STILL THERE.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S, I KNOW THAT DEPARTMENTS HAD TO DO WHAT THEY HAD TO DO AND, AND, AND THAT'S GREAT.
BUT, UM, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE BEING THE PROFESSIONAL STAFF THAT WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN.
AND THEN SECOND, I AM, WE'RE GREAT.
I'M TELLING FRIENDS AND FAMILY.
WE HAVE ONE MORE DAY TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE BECAUSE OF LEAP YEAR.
WE'VE GOT AN EXTRA DAY OF BLACK HISTORY.
SO, UH, KEEP MAKING A DIFFERENCE.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION, I KNOW THERE'S A TIME OF HOSTILITIES, IT SEEMS IN THE AIR, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF
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PEOPLE WORKING BEHIND THE SCENES.AND ON BEHALF OF AIRPORT, I REALLY DO WANNA THANK OUR CIVIL SERVICE PARTNERS.
UM, I KNOW TIFFANY AND STEPHANIE, UH, WE GOT OUR A OS BULLETIN ON THE AGENDA TODAY.
WE GOT OUR GMA ON THE AGENDA TODAY THAT WE WERE WAITING FOR.
WE GOT A LOT OF GOOD A OA AND A OS CANDIDATES THAT WERE IN THE PROCESS OF INTERVIEWING.
UM, AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO OUR REAL ESTATE PROJECT COORDINATOR AND PAINTER EXAMS COMING UP THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH STAFF ON NOW.
SO, UH, THANK YOU FOR THE FOLKS THAT ARE OUT THERE WORKING HARD EVERY DAY AND WE REALLY DO APPRECIATE THE PARTNERSHIP THAT WE HAVE.
AND NOT SO MUCH FOR THE COMMISSION.
THAT'S GREAT TO HEAR FOR THE STAFF.
'CAUSE I KNOW YOU ALL NEED TO HEAR THOSE GOOD THINGS TOO.
ALRIGHT, IS THERE ANYTHING FURTHER? THAT WAS THE SECOND MADE MY DAY.
THIS IS, THIS MEETING'S ENDING ON A HIGH NOTE.
IS THERE ANYTHING FURTHER? I JUST WANNA SAY THAT WHEN WE, WHEN WE HEAR POSITIVE FEEDBACK, UH, ABOUT OUR, ABOUT OUR DEPARTMENT, ABOUT OUR TEAM, JUST FEELS LIKE YOU'RE SAYING OUR KIDS ARE CUTE.
ALRIGHT, I THINK I WILL LET THAT STAND AS THE LAST, UH, COMMENT MADE.
UM, ALL RIGHT, UNLESS THERE IS ANYTHING FURTHER, UM, WE, AND THERE BEING NO FURTHER AGENDIZED BUSINESS, UM, WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 11:43 AM THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR PATIENCE AND TIME.