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ALL RIGHT, EVERYBODY, I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE VERY FIRST POLICE OVERSIGHT COMMISSION MEETING THE ORDER FOR MARCH 13TH, 2024.

MR. CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

COMMISSIONER BROWN PRESENT.

COMMISSIONER OOSH.

COMMISSIONER

[CALL TO ORDER]

ROCO PRESENT.

COMMISSIONER PARKIN.

HERE.

COMMISSIONER SOTO.

PRESENT.

COMMISSIONER TUSHNET.

PRESENT.

WE HAVE A QUORUM.

ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU.

UH, MR. CLERK, PLEASE READ THE NEXT ITEM.

OUR NEXT ITEM IS WELCOME AND INTRODUCTIONS.

FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK EVERYONE THAT IS HERE TODAY, UH, ESPECIALLY THE COMMISSIONERS.

THERE WAS A LOT OF WORK THAT WENT IN AT THE VERY 25TH HOUR TO MAKE SURE WE HAD EVERYBODY ON BOARD.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR FLEXIBILITY IN GETTING EVERYTHING DONE.

THIS IS A VERY EXCITING TIME.

I THINK WE ARE BREAKING THE ATTENDANCE RECORD FOR THE INAUGURAL MEETING OF ANY COMMISSION.

I'M JUST GONNA CLAIM THAT I'M CLAIMING THAT EARLY.

UM, SO THIS, WHAT YOU'RE

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SEEING RIGHT NOW IN THE AUDIENCE SPEAKS VOLUMES TO THE SUPPORT THAT THIS PARTICULAR, UH, CAUSE IS BRINGING TO THE CITY.

AND WE'RE VERY THANKFUL TO HAVE THE SUPPORT OF THE COMMISSIONERS.

THE MAYOR IS OUTTA TOWN.

HE DOES SEND HIS APOLOGIES, HE WILL COME AT A LATER DATE TO DO A WELCOME.

BUT IF WE COULD, I'M ASKING EVERYONE TO PLEASE KEEP THEIR, UH, WELCOMES TO ONE TO TWO MINUTES, UM, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE SOME OTHER THINGS ON THE AGENDA.

UM, AND WE'RE GONNA START WITH THE CHIEF, BECAUSE HE HAD SOMETHING ELSE TO DO.

HE MIGHT HAVE MADE THAT UP.

BUT WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND HONOR IT , AND PLEASE INTRODUCE YOUR STAFF OTHER THAN THE .

EXACTLY.

.

AND, UH, IT'S, IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE.

SO THAT'S PROBABLY THE 10TH TIME FRANCINE TOLD ME ONE TO TWO MINUTES.

SO I'M GONNA KEEP IT TO THAT.

AND IT'S, IT'S A PLEASURE TO SEE SOME FAMILIAR FACES AND SOME NEW FACES.

AND, UH, I WANNA START OFF BY INTRODUCING MY STAFF BRIEFLY THAT'S HERE WITH ME TODAY.

UH, I AM WALLY HEB.

I'M THE CHIEF OF POLICE.

IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW, UH, UH, RYAN LEBARON IS THE COMMANDER THAT OVERSEES INTERNAL AFFAIRS, WHO WILL BE WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH, WITH BOTH THE DIRECTOR AND YOURSELVES ON, ON SOME MEANINGFUL DIALOGUE AND RECOMMENDATIONS AND, AND REALLY THE FUTURE OF POLICING HERE IN LONG BEACH.

SO THANK YOU FOR BEING PART OF THAT.

AGAIN, WITH, UH, COMMANDER LEBARON IS COMMANDER MIKE SOLADA, WHO'S MY CHIEF OF STAFF, UH, AND HELPED SERVE, UH, THE DEPARTMENT BY, UH, ASSISTING WITH DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS, AND HAS BEEN WITH ME FOR, FOR OVER A YEAR NOW.

SO, UH, IT'S A PLEASURE TO HAVE HIM HERE.

HE OVERSEES INTERNAL AFFAIRS, OUR PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS DIVISION, WHICH IS BROKEN DOWN INTO INTERNAL AFFAIRS AND EMPLOYEE DEVELOPMENT.

SO, AGAIN, THANK YOU, FRANCINE.

I DID NOT COUNCIL MEMBERS, I DID NOT BRIBE HER TO GET THE NUMBER ONE SPOT.

JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT , ALTHOUGH, ALTHOUGH THERE IS A COUNCIL MEMBER WHO SAW ME TAKE HER TO LUNCH A WEEK AGO, I'M JUST SAYING YOU'LL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHO THAT IS.

UH, ANYWAY, I'M VERY, VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE DEPARTMENT, THE PROGRESS THAT WE'LL MAKE TOGETHER, AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING SOME GREAT THINGS COME OUT OF THIS COMMISSION AND TO WORK COLLABORATIVELY WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE CITY.

SO, THANK YOU ALL FOR TAKING THIS STEP AND, AND, UH, BEING WILLING TO, TO SERVE THIS COMMUNITY.

IT MEANS A GREAT DEAL TO, UH, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE CITY OF LONG BEACH.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU, CHIEF.

NEXT UP WE HAVE VICE MAYOR ALLEN.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I WANNA BEGIN BY THANKING FRANCINE CARRIAGE FOR INVITING ME TO MAKE SOME REMARKS HERE TODAY.

UM, AS WE EMBARK UPON THIS IMPORTANT COMMUNITY MANDATED INITIATIVE, EACH OF YOU HAVE BEEN TASKED WITH HELPING TO OVERSEE, SUSTAIN, AND EVEN GROW OUR, UH, COMMUNITY'S TRUST AND OUR GREAT LONG BEACH POLICE DEPARTMENT.

I THINK YOU ALL WILL AGREE THAT NEVER BEFORE IN SOCIETY HAS THERE BEEN A GREATER DEMAND FOR ACCOUNTABILITY AND OVERSIGHT OVER THE PROFESSION OF LAW ENFORCEMENT.

LONG BEACH PD IS TASKED WITH AN EXTREMELY DIFFICULT AND OFTEN MISUNDERSTOOD ROLE OF POLICING OUR COMMUNITY.

AS YOU ARE WELL AWARE, SOCIETY HAS SEEN FIT TO GIVE LAW ENFORCEMENT VAST AMOUNTS OF AUTHORITY AND RESPONSIBILITY IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE POLICING SERVICES TO OUR COMMUNITIES.

AS A FORMER LONG BEACH POLICE OFFICER, I KNOW HOW DIFFICULT AND DANGEROUS THIS JOB CAN BE.

I KNOW THAT MOST OF OUR OFFICERS TAKE GREAT PRIDE IN SERVING THE LONG BEACH COMMUNITY, BUT IT ONLY TAKES ONE INCIDENT TO UNDO ALL THE GOOD AND TRUST THAT THEY HAVE STRIVE TO EARN.

HAVING AN INDEPENDENT OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE WILL HELP RES REDUCE THE ANXIETY AND THE CONCERN SOME OF OUR COMMUNITIES MAY HAVE.

IT ALSO HELPS PROVIDE THE APPROPRIATE CHECKS AND BALANCES TO AN AGENCY THAT IS TRUSTED WITH SO MUCH AUTHORITY.

IN MANY WAYS, YOUR ROLE IS JUST AS DIFFICULT AS OFFICERS.

MANY PEOPLE ARE LOOKING TO YOUR COMMITTEE TO HELP ENSURE THE SAFETY IN OUR COMMUNITY.

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THE POLICE UNDERSTAND THAT ACCOUNTABILITY IS CRITICAL AND NEED YOU TO EXERCISE YOUR AUTHORITY AND DUTIES WITH THE SAME LEVEL OF COMMITMENT.

YOU NEED TO BE COURAGEOUS TO CALL OUT AN APPROPRIATE AND UNACCEPTABLE CONDUCT OF OUR OFFICERS, BUT ALSO EQUALLY AS COURAGEOUS TO SUPPORT THE ACTIONS OF POLICE.

IF YOUR COMMITTEE DEEMS THE ACTIONS, OR LAWFUL AND APPROPRIATE, YOU'LL BE CRITICIZED BY SOME NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO.

SO UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT YOU CANNOT AND WILL NOT PLEASE EVERYONE.

BUT THANK YOU FOR SERVING OUR COMMUNITY AND BEING A PART OF THIS COMMISSION.

I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE DIFFICULT TASKS AHEAD OF YOU, BUT THESE TASKS, THESE TASKS ARE BOTH VERY IMPORTANT TO OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT IN THE LONG RUN.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR APPOINTMENT.

THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR ALLEN.

COUNCIL MEMBER ZENDAY.

THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.

THIS INDEED IS A REMARKABLE DAY HERE IN THE CITY OF LONG BEACH.

UM, CONGRATULATIONS, DIRECTOR FRANCINE COURAGE.

I AM SO EXCITED FOR WHAT YOU AND THIS COMMISSION IS ABOUT TO EMBARK.

AS YOU ALL KNOW, THIS, UM, COMMISSION IS A RESULT OF WHAT THE PEOPLE WANTED, THE COMMUNITY WANTED IN THE FRAMEWORK FOR RACIAL RECONCILIATION.

AND I THINK THAT YOU, WE ALWAYS NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP THAT IN MIND.

I AM SO, SO THRILLED TO SEE SO MANY WONDERFUL INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE THROUGHOUT THE YEARS SERVED OUR COMMUNITY AND SO MANY LEVELS, AND SOMETIMES THAT OPPOSITES, UH, OF THE PART SIDES OF THE TABLE, BUT VERY, VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO COME TOGETHER AND TO, UM, CONTINUE DOING THE WORK FOR THE RESIDENTS.

AND SO I AM JUST THRILLED TO SEE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU ON THIS COMMISSION BECAUSE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU BRINGS SO MUCH VALUE TO THIS COMMISSION.

AND YES, YOU WERE PICKED FOR THIS COMMISSION, AND SOMETIMES YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS.

I AM SO HAPPY THAT YOUR FUTURE IS WITH US HERE IN THE CITY OF LONG BEACH.

AND BECAUSE OF YOU, I REALLY DO BELIEVE THAT WE ARE GOING TO E UH, WE HAVE A GREAT POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT IT'S GONNA GET EVEN BETTER, UM, BECAUSE OF YOU.

SO THANK YOU FOR SERVING, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU, UM, IN MANY, MANY MORE YEARS TO COME.

THANK YOU AGAIN.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANK YOU.

DISTRICT THREE, COUNCIL MEMBER DUGGAN.

OH, WHOSE GLASSES? UH, CINDY'S MAYBE.

ARE THEY THE CHIEFS? THE CHIEFS? MAYBE SO, MAYBE SO.

MY GLASSES.

OH, YES.

THAT'S GREAT.

WELL, WELCOME TO CHAMBERS FOR THE FIRST POLICE OVERSIGHT COMMISSION MEETING.

I WANNA THANK YOU FOR BEING WILLING TO TAKE YOUR TI THE TIME TO COMMIT TO THIS REALLY IMPORTANT COMMISSION.

I WANNA THANK, UH, DIRECTOR CARRIAGE.

UH, MEETING HER AND GETTING TO KNOW HER.

I THINK, THINK SHE'S GOING TO BE A GREAT DIRECTOR, BUT I THINK THE INPUT THAT THE COMMISSION ITSELF ENGAGING THE COMMUNITY, UM, REALLY EDUCATING THE COMMUNITY IS GOING TO BE SUCH AN IMPORTANT PART OF WHAT YOU OFFER.

WE'RE LOOKING AT, I THINK OUR PUBLIC SAFETY IS DOING A GREAT JOB, BUT THE PURPOSE OF THE COMMISSION IS GOING TO IMPROVE DIFFERENT ARMS OF PUBLIC SAFETY.

AND I THINK THAT'S THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING EACH OF YOU AS REPRESENTATIVES FOR THIS COMMISSION.

I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE, UM, YOU'RE GOING TO BE DOING.

AND I, I THINK, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER KERR SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE LIKED EVERY SINGLE TIME.

OH, SHE HASN'T EVEN SPOKEN YET.

SO .

UM, BUT I THINK THAT THAT'S A PART OF IT.

IF YOU

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AREN'T NECESSARILY LIKED BY ALL, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE MAKING SOME GOOD DECISIONS, GIVING SOME GOOD INPUT.

AND, UM, I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU, I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THE WORK THAT'S GOING TO BE DONE BY YOU ALL.

AND THANK YOU THIRD DISTRICT, UH, COMMISSIONERS TOO.

I HAVE TO THROW THAT IN.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

DISTRICT FIVE, COUNCIL MEMBER KER.

THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

JOB.

GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.

WELCOME.

UH, THANK YOU, DIRECTOR COURAGE, UH, FOR THE INVITATION TO COME AND SPEAK.

AND I THINK AS WE GO DOWN THE LINE, ALL OF THE THINGS WILL HAVE BEEN SAID.

SO BY THE TIME TOM GETS UP HERE, HE CAN SAY DITTO.

UM, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR SAYING YES TO SERVE.

THANK YOU.

UM, ESPECIALLY TO COMMISSIONER BROWN AND COMMISSIONER OCH FROM DISTRICT FIVE.

WOOHOO.

SORRY.

THANK YOU.

YOU GOT A CHEERING SECTION BACK HERE.

UM, ALL OF YOU BRING A DIFFERENT VIEWPOINT, HISTORY, EXPERIENCE WITH OUR COMMUNITY, WITH DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES THAT YOU HAVE SERVED IN AND WORKED WITH, WHETHER IT'S EMPLOYEES OR STUDENTS, UM, SENIORS, COMMUNITY GROUPS WITH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.

I AM SO GRATEFUL FOR THE EXPERIENCE THAT SITS IN THE BODY THAT WILL BE DOING THIS REALLY INCREDIBLE WORK, THIS IMPORTANT WORK THAT THE CITIZENS HAVE ASKED YOU TO DO AND US TO DO COLLECTIVELY.

UM, THE IDEA OF BUILDING TRUST AND ACCOUNTABILITY BETWEEN MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY, BETWEEN COMMISSIONS, BETWEEN ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES, OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND ALL WHO SERVE IN OUR COMMUNITY, IS THE WORK THAT WE ALL DO EVERY SINGLE DAY.

WE KNOW IN EVERY SINGLE INTERACTION THAT WE HAVE, BIG OR SMALL, HOW SOMEONE EXPERIENCES YOU AS A COMMISSIONER OR ME AS A COUNCIL MEMBER OR STAFF AS A STAFF MEMBER, IS HOW THEY EXPERIENCE LONG BEACH.

AND I'M REALLY GRATEFUL FOR THE EXPERIENCE, UM, AND THE DESIRE TO SERVE THAT YOU BRING TO THAT AND THE ATTENTIVENESS AND CONSCIOUSNESS AND THOUGHTFULNESS THAT YOU BRING TO THE WORK.

SO THANK YOU FOR SAYING YES.

UH, THANK YOU, DIRECTOR, COURAGE FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP IN BUILDING THIS NEW THING.

I KNOW YOU'LL BE IN A SITUATION WHERE YOU'LL BE BUILDING AND, UM, CREATING AS YOU GO.

UM, AND WE WISH YOU WELL, AND YOU HAVE ALL OF MY SUPPORT AND OUR SUPPORT AS YOU DO THIS WORK AND HEAR FOR ANYTHING THAT YOU MIGHT NEED FROM US.

SO, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR HAVING ME TONIGHT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

NEXT WE HAVE, UH, COUNCIL DISTRICT SIX, DR.

SORA.

GOOD EVENING.

WELCOME TO THE POLICE OVERSIGHT COMMISSION.

I'M VERY EXCITED, UH, THAT EACH OF YOU ARE CHOSEN TO NOT JUST REPRESENT, OBVIOUSLY, THE DISTRICT YOU COME FROM, BUT REALLY RESIDENTS OF, OF THE CITY, OF LONG BEACH.

AND SO ON BEHALF OF MY SIXTH DISTRICT RESIDENT, WELCOME ABOARD AND JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UM, I GIVE SHOUT OUT TO DIRECTOR CARRIAGE FOR BRINGING US ALL TOGETHER HERE.

NOT JUST WITH THEIR CITY MANAGER OFFICE, BUT THE CITY COUNCIL AND OUR, UH, CHIEF OF POLICE, AS WELL AS OUR POLICE OFFICER ASSOCIATION IN THAT WE'RE NOT HERE IN A WAY WHERE, WHERE, UM, WE'RE COMING TOGETHER SO THAT WE CAN HAVE DIALOGUE TO NOT JUST IMPROVE OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT OVERALL FOR OUR CITY.

AND I THINK THAT THIS IS SETTING A REALLY GREAT TONE IN THAT WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER.

UM, WHILE WE KNOW WE HAVE OUR DIFFERENCES IN THE WAY THAT WE MAY APPROACH THING, WHAT'S REALLY GONNA BE IMPORTANT IS CAN WE COMMUNICATE IN A WAY WHERE WE'RE REALLY PUTTING OUR RESIDENTS, UH, FIRST IN A WAY THAT EVERYONE WILL BE FEELING INCLUDED, THAT THEY'RE HEARD, AND THAT THERE'S AN EQUITABLE PROCESS.

BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT LONG BEACH HAS BEEN KNOWN FOR.

UM, AND YOU CARRY THAT FORWARD AS THE FIRST COMMISSION OF THE POLICE OVERSIGHT COMMISSION.

AND IT'S OKAY IF YOU MAKE SOME MISTAKES, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT CALL YOU OUT ON IT, BUT WE, WE ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE YOU KNOW THAT IT'S OKAY TO MAKE MISTAKES TOO, BEING THE FIRST COMMISSION, UM, AND THAT WE'RE ALL HERE TO SUPPORT YOU AND HAVE DIALOGUE WITH YOU.

SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR TAKING THIS ON.

UM, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING UPDATES AND THE GREAT WORK THAT COMES OUT OF THE COMMISSION.

CONGRATULATIONS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT.

NEXT WE HAVE COUNCIL DISTRICT SIX, DR.

RICK SODE.

OH, MY BAD.

I'M DYSLEXIC, BUT UPSIDE DOWN.

UPSIDE.

OH.

SO, OH, SHE READY, SHE SAID SHE READ IT UPSIDE DOWN.

I ALSO NOTICED THAT ON THAT LIST, IT SAYS RICK OIE INSTEAD OF RICK'S OIE.

I THINK YOU GIVE THE S TO CHARLIE PARKINS.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS.

YOU AROUND.

THIS IS ACTUALLY MY NEW STAFF THAT MADE THIS.

I, AND CONSIDERING, CONSIDERING HE'S ONLY BEEN HERE A WEEK, I DIDN'T WANNA, UH, OH, WE IS GONNA THROW IT.

I I'LL HANDLE IT.

WE JUST GONNA THROW THAT UNDER THE BUS.

THROW THEM JUST RIGHT UNDER THE BUS.

EXCELLENT.

UM, UH, IT IS AN HONOR TO, UH, BE BEFORE, UH, THIS WONDERFUL BODY, UM, TODAY.

AND SO CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU ALL FOR STEPPING UP.

UM, AS SOMEONE WHO'S BEEN A COMMISSIONER ON YOUR PREDECESSOR, WHICH IS THE CITIZENS POLICE COMPLAINT COMMISSION, UM, THE WORK BEFORE YOU, UH, MAY SOMETIMES FEEL A LITTLE BIT DAUNTING OR OVERWHELMING, RIGHT? BUT

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YOU WERE CHOSEN BECAUSE YOU HAVE A DIVERSITY OF PERSPECTIVES AND UNDERSTANDING AND BACKGROUND THAT'S NECESSARY FOR THE WORK THAT IS GONNA BE PUT BEFORE YOU.

UM, AND SO I JUST WANNA THANK YOU FOR BEING WILLING TO STEP UP, GIVE OF YOUR TIME AND YOUR TALENT AND YOUR PERSPECTIVE, UM, TO MAKING US A BETTER CITY, RIGHT? AND MAKING OUR DEPARTMENT, OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT BETTER, MAKING US A BETTER CITY.

UM, MAKING SURE THAT OUR RESIDENTS FEEL LIKE THEY'RE ACTUALLY BEING HEARD, RIGHT? UM, AND THAT THEIR, THEIR CONCERNS AND THEIR PERSPECTIVES ARE, ARE VALUED IN THE CITY AND TAKEN SERIOUSLY.

UM, AND SO I'M REALLY JUST COMING BEFORE YOU TO ENCOURAGE YOU, UM, TO TELL YOU THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR, MY OFFICE IS THE RESOURCE.

I THINK ALL OF US HAVE SAID THE SAME THING, RIGHT? WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF THIS COMMISSION AND YOUR SUCCESS.

UM, WE KNOW THAT WHEN WE MAKE CHANGES LIKE THIS, UM, TO A CITY CHARTER AND TO A CHARTER COMMISSION, RIGHT? UM, YOU ALL ARE KIND OF PUT UP ON A LITTLE BIT OF A PEDESTAL, RIGHT? AND THERE'S, THERE'S SCRUTINY AND THERE'S VISION, AND THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, AND PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE WATCHING.

BUT WE ARE ROOTING FOR YOUR SUCCESS.

WE ARE ROOTING TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE, ARE PROPERLY RESOURCED.

YOU HAVE AN EXCELLENT, UM, UM, DIRECTOR HERE IN FRANCINE CARRIAGE.

UM, AND WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF WHATEVER IT IS THAT YOU NEED.

SO PLEASE, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO CALL UPON MY OFFICE AND MYSELF.

UM, IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT YOU FEEL LIKE YOU NEED THAT YOU MAYBE YOU AREN'T GETTING, OR A PERSPECTIVE, UM, I'M HAPPY TO OFFER IT.

AND AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR SO MUCH FOR BEING WILLING TO GIVE OF YOUR TIME, UM, IN SERVICE OF OUR CITY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

NEXT WE HAVE CITY ATTORNEY DON MCINTOSH.

YOU'VE ALREADY SAID IT.

I KNOW YOU'VE ALREADY SAID IT ALL.

HELLO EVERYONE.

I WANNA THANK YOU ALL, UH, FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, FOR AGREEING TO SERVE ON THIS COMMISSION.

UM, I ALSO AM GRATEFUL THAT YOU GOT MY PRIOR BOSS TO GET OUT OF HIS PAJAMAS AND PUT ON A JACKET .

UM, IT'S NICE TO SEE YOU BACK IN THE MIX.

UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE CITIZENS ADOPTED THE BALLOT MEASURE THAT CREATED THIS COMMISSION, WHAT THEY WERE SAYING WAS, WE REALLY WANNA TRUST OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.

UM, BUT WE NEED SOME FOLKS TO KEEP AN EYE OUT SO THAT WE CAN BELIEVE THAT WE CAN TRUST THEM.

AND, AND THAT IS YOUR JOB.

YOUR JOB IS REALLY TO BE THE EYES AND EARS, UM, FOR THE COMMUNITY, AND TO REALLY LISTEN TO THEM AND HEAR WHAT THEIR CONCERNS ARE AND, AND BRING THAT BACK TO DIRECTOR CARRIAGE AND HER TEAM AND, AND TO TELL THEM WHAT'S GOING ON WITH HER WORK AND WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND, AND REALLY BE THAT PERSPECTIVE FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET OTHERWISE.

SO IT'S TRULY IMPORTANT THE WORK YOU'RE GONNA DO, AND, UM, I'M, I THINK WE'VE GOT A GREAT TEAM TO BE THE FIRST ONES TO DO IT.

SO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR SERVING.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

NEXT WE HAVE UP CITY AUDITOR.

LAURA, DO WELCOME COMMISSIONERS ON THIS HISTORIC DAY.

UM, I DON'T THINK I CAN ADD MUCH TO WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID, BUT I DO WANT TO WELCOME YOU AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR WILLINGNESS TO STEP UP AND PUBLIC SERVICE.

UM, WHEN I SPEAK TO THE COMMUNITY EVERYWHERE I GO, PUBLIC SAFETY IS A TOP PRIORITY EVERYWHERE I GO IN THE CITY, THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY TO THE COMMUNITY.

YOU PLAY A A KEY AND CRUCIAL ROLE IN CONTINUING THE, THE ACCOUNTABILITY, TRANSPARENCY, AND THE INPUT THAT THE COMMUNITY EXPECTS TO BRING BACK TO CITY HALL.

SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING YOUR EXPERIENCE, YOUR KNOWLEDGE, YOUR INTELLECT, YOUR, UM, YOUR EXPERIENCE TO THE CITY.

AND WE APPRECIATE, WE APPRECIATE THE TIME THAT YOU'VE COME TO DO THIS.

AND I APPRECIATE DIRECTOR CARRIAGE REACHING OUT TO ME.

WE'VE HAD SEVERAL REALLY GOOD DISCUSSIONS AND OUR OFFICE, UH, ALIGNS WITH THE WORK THAT YOU DO IN STRENGTHENING ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY TO THE CITY.

AND OUR OFFICE IS, AGAIN, A RESOURCE TO YOU.

WE'VE DONE SEVERAL AUDITS ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND FOUND THEM TO BE, UM, COOPERATIVE AND, UH, AND GOOD TO WORK WITH.

AND SO I'M, I'M HAPPY TO CONTINUE, UM, WORKING WITH, UH, DIRECTOR CARRIAGE.

AND I'VE REALLY APPRECIATED HER REACHING OUT TO ME AND BEING, UH, SO OPEN.

AND, AND, AND SHE'S TAUGHT ME MANY THINGS TOO, WITH HER BACKGROUND AND HER EXPERIENCE.

WE'RE FORTUNATE TO HAVE HER HERE.

SO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR, UH, ACCEPTING THIS, UH, THIS APPOINTMENT.

AND, UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

NEXT WE HAVE CITY MANAGER TOM MOCA.

BRING IT HOME.

ALL RIGHT.

I'VE BEEN SITTING THERE THINKING OF THINGS TO SAY THAT'S NOT REPETITIVE, BUT I WILL START TO SAY, JUST THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

JUST LIKE YOU HEARD FROM EVERYONE HERE, UH, WE KNOW YOU'RE DOING THIS OUT OF LOVE FOR YOUR COMMUNITY.

UH, WE KNOW IT'S GONNA BE A LOT OF WORK AND A LOT OF HOURS, AND YOU FIND YOUR WAY AS A BRAND NEW COMMISSION, UH, BUT FROM THE DEEPEST PART OF MY HEART, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR DOING WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

I,

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I WANTED TO REMIND US WHY WE'RE HERE.

UM, RIGHT AFTER THE MURDER OF GEORGE FLOYD, WE HAD SOME REALLY PAINFUL CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR COMMUNITY.

AND ONE OF THE VERY FIRST THINGS WE DID WAS CREATE IN, IN KIND OF RECORD TIME, A RECONCILIATION DOCUMENT, UH, THAT HAS BEEN OUR GUIDE, UH, AS WE WORK ON RACIAL RECONCILIATION AND, AND ELIMINATING SYSTEMIC RACISM FROM OUR WHOLE SOCIETY.

AND ONE OF THE FIRST COMMITMENTS WAS TO LOOK AT THE CPCC, WHICH HAD BEEN A GROUNDBREAKING ORGANIZATION WHEN IT WAS FORMED, UM, BUT NEEDED TO BE UPDATED.

AND SO WE COMMITTED TO THAT.

WE ENGAGED IN A STUDY TO REALLY LOOK AT ALL THE SYSTEMS AND GO THROUGH THE WORK, UH, TO BRING THAT FORWARD AND FIND THAT RIGHT BALANCE.

AND SO, UH, THAT IS A COMMITMENT THAT, UH, THAT WE MADE AND A COMMITMENT OF WHY YOU'RE HERE.

I'M SO PLEASED, UH, WITH YOUR, UH, WITH THE COUNCIL'S APPOINTMENT OF THE DIRECTOR.

UH, FRANCINE, UH, SHE'S BEEN FANTASTIC AND VERY OPEN, UM, AND CLEARLY KNOWLEDGEABLE.

UH, SHE HAS AMAZING STAFF AS WELL WITH PATRICK AND ANITA, UH, AND THE NEW STAFF AS WELL.

UM, BUT I REALLY LIKE HOW THEY'RE INDEPENDENT, UM, BUT ALSO VERY COLLABORATIVE.

AND SO COME IN WITH AN APPROACH OF, OF LEARNING, BUT ALSO THEN SHARING THEIR OPINION.

UH, THEY HAVE OUR FULL SUPPORT.

UH, WE'RE, UH, WORKING TO FIGURE OUT ALL THE PROCESSES IT TAKES TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE THE INFORMATION THAT THEY NEED.

UH, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO THAT WORK.

UM, FRANCINE HAS BEEN JOINING US AND LEARNING, UH, UM, EVERY WEEK ABOUT WHAT WE DO AS A, AS A MANAGEMENT TEAM AND, AND JUST TO HAVE THAT BETTER CONTEXT.

AND THEN I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE LOTS OF AREAS WHERE WE AGREE, UM, WHERE THE WORK THAT YOU'RE WORKING ON, WHERE WE WILL FIND WAYS TO MAKE IT BETTER.

UH, THERE MAY BE AREAS WHERE WE DISAGREE THAT HAPPENS IN GOVERNMENT.

AND YOU HAVE MY, UH, MY COMMITMENT THAT THAT'LL ALWAYS BE RESPECTFUL.

IT'LL ALWAYS BE FACT-BASED, AND IT'LL BE THINGS THAT WE DISCUSS AND HOPEFULLY FIND SOME, UH, SOME COMMON GROUND TO WORK ON THOSE THINGS.

SO, AGAIN, JUST VERY, VERY, UH, SUPPORTIVE OF THIS EFFORT OF FRANCINE.

AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE.

THANK YOU, TOM.

AND LAST, BUT DEFINITELY NOT LEAST, UH, RICH CHAMBERS WITH THE POLICE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION.

GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.

SO I REALLY FEEL PRIVILEGED TO, UH, BE ABLE TO BE HERE AND PART OF THIS.

WELCOME FOR ALL OF YOU AT THE START OF THIS COMMISSION.

I WANT TO, UH, THANK YOU FRANCINE SO MUCH FOR INVITING ME TO BE A PART OF IT.

AND I THINK IMPORTANTLY, THIS IS SETTING ALL THIS OFF ON THE RIGHT FOOT WITH THE RIGHT TONE I GET TO SEE HERE AND BE A PART OF, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS IS PART OF THE, THE, THE CITY FAMILY MOVING FORWARD IN A NEW WAY.

YOU KNOW, THE LIGHT FIELD, THIS IS NOT A DAY OF MOURNING.

THIS IS, THIS IS A GOOD THING.

YOU KNOW, 30 YEARS AGO WHEN THE CPCC FIRST STARTED, THE POLICE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION ENDORSED THAT.

AND HERE WE ARE TODAY, AGAIN, I THINK UNEXPECTEDLY, MAYBE FOR SOME STANDING IN SUPPORT OF WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT HERE.

AND THE REASON WHY I FEEL HAPPY AND EXCITED AND SUPPORTIVE OF THIS IS FRANKLY, WHAT I SEE RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME AND, AND WHAT I'VE ALREADY GOT TO KNOW, COLLABORATING WITH FRANCINE.

I SEE PEOPLE WHO I ALREADY KNOW, PEOPLE WHO I KNOW LOVE THIS CITY JUST LIKE I DO.

PEOPLE WHO I KNOW ARE DEDICATED TO IMPROVING THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE COMMUNITY JUST LIKE I AM.

AND I, I THINK WITH THE THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE AND THE COLLABORATION THAT IS ALREADY UNDERWAY, THAT WHEN WE FIND OURSELVES IN POSITIONS, YOU KNOW, DIFFICULT SITUATIONS ON THE ROADS AHEAD, I, I THINK THAT WE'RE WELL EQUIPPED TO WORK OUR WAY THROUGH THOSE PROBLEMS. AND I HAD NO IDEA HOW ALL THIS WAS GOING TO END WHEN THIS JOURNEY BEGAN.

WE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE REFERENCES BACK TO THE FRAMEWORK FOR RECONCILIATION AND THE PROCESS OUT OF WHICH THIS WAS BORN, BUT WHERE IT HEADED, THIS ENDED.

I'M VERY, VERY PLEASED WITH, UH, I'M, THE POLICE OFFICERS ARE SUPPORTIVE OF, AND I'M GLAD THAT I GOT TO BE PART OF THIS, UH, TONIGHT TO, TO SHARE THAT MESSAGE DIRECTLY WITH YOU.

I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALL OF YOUR COMMITMENT TO BEING PART OF THIS COMMISSION.

LOOK FORWARD TO THE WORK IN THE FUTURE.

SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, RICH.

UM, I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE THAT THE SHOW OF SUPPORT THAT WE HAVE HERE TODAY IS NOT ONLY ABOUT THE COMMITMENT THAT MEMBERS OF THE CITY AND THE ELECTED BODIES HAVE GIVEN TO THE SPACE THAT YOU'RE IN AND WHAT YOU'RE DOING, BUT ALSO THE IMPORTANCE OF COLLABORATION.

AND IN ORDER FOR OUR OFFICE, THE OFFICE OF POLICE OVERSIGHT AND THE POLICE OVERSIGHT COMMISSION TO DO THEIR WORK EFFECTIVELY AND EFFICIENTLY, IT'S GONNA TAKE EVERYBODY THAT'S AFFECTED TO BE A PART OF THAT CONVERSATION AS WE MOVE FORWARD, MOVE FORWARD WITH THE WORK THAT WE'RE GONNA BE DOING.

SO THAT IS REALLY WHAT WE WANTED TO BRING FORWARD WITH THE INVITATIONS THAT WE HAVE, BECAUSE A LOT OF US ARE WORKING IN THE SAME SPACE AND DOING PARALLEL THINGS, BUT LOOKING AT IT FROM A DIFFERENT ANGLE.

SO I THINK THAT THAT WAS IMPORTANT.

AND WHILE I KNOW THAT THE WORK THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO CONTINUE WITH, WITH THIS EVENING IS EXTREMELY RIVETING, I WILL GIVE THE MEMBERS OF THE ELECTED BODY AS WELL AS EVERYBODY ELSE, THE OPPORTUNITY TO POLITELY LEAVE.

UH, 'CAUSE IT'S GONNA GET A LITTLE BIT BORING IN HERE.

BUT I DO THANK YOU FOR, UH, SHOWING UP TODAY AND SUPPORTING US.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

SORRY, DID I GET IN YOUR, OH, NO.

CROOKED IN YOUR SELFIE.

HARD TO DO A GROUP PHOTO.

YEAH, LET'S DO THAT.

I WAS TRYING TO GET EVERYBODY.

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ALRIGHT, THANK YOU EVERYBODY.

UM, SO WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER AGENDA.

ITEM NUMBER ONE.

UM, MR. CLERK, PLEASE READ THE NEXT ITEM.

ITEM ONE IS A RECOMMENDATION TO

[1. 24-52522 Recommendation to hold an election for the position of Chair and Vice Chair of the Police Oversight Commission.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]

HOLD AN ELECTION FOR THE POSITION OF CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR OF THE POLICE OVERSIGHT COMMISSION.

AND I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO PATRICK.

ALRIGHT, SO OUR NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS, IS TO ELECT THE POLICE OVERSIGHT COMMISSION OFFICERS.

SO I NOW DECLARED A NOMINATIONS OPEN FOR THE POLICE OVERSIGHT COMMISSION CHAIR.

EACH MEMBER MAY NOMINATE ONE PERSON FOR CHAIR, INCLUDING YOURSELF.

THESE NOMINATIONS CANNOT BE AMENDED OR RECONSIDERED AND DO NOT REQUIRE A SECOND.

SO NOW WE'LL NOW OPEN IT UP FOR NOMINATIONS.

I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE MR. PARKIN SECOND.

ALRIGHT, ANYBODY ELSE? CHAIR.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

THERE WILL BE NO FURTHER NOMINATIONS.

I NOW DECLARE NOMINATIONS CLOSED FOR CHAIR, UM, AND THE ORDER NOMINATED.

UM, I'LL INVITE, UM, UH, COMMISSIONER PARKIN TO BRIEFLY SHARE WHY HE WOULD WOULD LIKE TO BE ELECTED CHAIR.

UM, AND PLEASE KEEP YOUR COMMENTS ALONG NO LONGER THAN TWO MINUTES.

UM, SO GO AHEAD.

I WAS NOMINATED CHAIR.

UM, I'M HAPPY TO ATTEMPT TO CHAIR THIS COMMISSION TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY.

I OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS THE SIX OF US, HOPEFULLY A SEVENTH VERY SOON THAT WE WILL ALL HAVE AN EQUAL VOICE.

BUT, UH, I'M HAPPY TO TRY AND MANAGE THE ADMINISTRATIVE PART OF IT.

THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT.

UH, PLEASE MAKE SURE IF YOU'RE SPEAKING, YOU TURN ON YOUR MIC.

THANK YOU.

THAT'S AN OFFICIAL ACCEPTION OF THE NOMINATION.

YES.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

OKAY.

UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER PARKIN.

UH, CLERK, UM, PLEASE DO A ROLL CALL.

VOTE FOR COMMISSIONER PARKIN FOR CHAIR.

COMMISSIONER BROWN.

AYE.

COMMISSIONER OOSH AYE.

COMMISSIONER OROZCO AYE.

COMMISSIONER PARKING? AYE.

COMMISSIONER SOTO? YES.

COMMISSIONER TUSHNET.

AYE.

MOTION CARRIES.

ALRIGHT, CONGRATULATIONS.

CHAIR PARKING.

OKAY.

SO I WILL NOW DECLARE NOMINATIONS OPEN FOR THE POLICE OVERSIGHT COMMISSION VICE CHAIR.

UH, EACH MEMBER MAY NOMINATE ONE PERSON FOR VICE CHAIR, INCLUDING YOURSELF.

AND THESE NOMINATIONS CANNOT BE AMEND OR RECONNCECTED AND DO NOT REQUIRE A SECOND.

AND SO I WILL NOW OPEN IT UP.

I NOMINATE DR.

NADIA TOUCHNET.

ANYBODY ELSE? SECOND .

ALL RIGHT.

OKAY.

WELL, THERE BE NO FURTHER NOMINATIONS.

I DECLARE A NOMINATIONS CLOSED FOR VICE CHAIR, UM, AND THE OWNER NOMINATED.

I INVITE, UM, UH, COMMISSIONER TNI TO BRIEFLY SHARE, UH, WHY YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE ELECTED VICE CHAIR.

I THINK I CAN BRING SOME OF THE COMMISSION COMMISSIONER BACKGROUND FROM MY OTHER COMMISSION TO THIS.

AND SO I'M PLEASED TO ACCEPT THE, UM, VICE CHAIR, A LITTLE NERVOUS ABOUT IT, BUT PLEASED TO ACCEPT.

ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OKAY, CLERK, UH, PLEASE DO A ROLL CALL.

VOTE FOR, UH, COMMISSIONER TUSHNET FOR VICE CHAIR.

COMMISSIONER BROWN.

AYE.

COMMISSIONER O AK AYE.

COMMISSIONER OROZCO AYE.

CHAIR PARKIN AYE.

COMMISSIONER SOTO? YES.

COMMISSIONER TUSHNET.

AYE.

MOTION CARRIES.

ALRIGHT, CONGRATULATIONS VICE CHAIR TUSHNET.

AND SO, UM, WITH THAT MR. CLERK, PLEASE READ THE NEXT ITEM.

JUST GONNA BRIEFLY, IF THERE'S ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEM ONE, PLEASE GO TO THE PODIUM.

SCENE NONE.

ITEM TWO IS A RECOMMENDATION

[2. 24-52519 Recommendation to receive and file a presentation on the Ethics Program Introduction for City Commissions.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]

TO RECEIVE AND FILE A PRESENTATION ON THE ETHICS PROGRAM.

INTRODUCTIONS FOR CITY COMMISSIONS.

CAN I GET A MOTION AND A SECOND TO RECEIVE THIS APPLICANT? SO MOVE.

SECOND.

ALRIGHT, SO I'LL NOW LIKE TO INTRODUCE ETHICS OFFICER HEATHER VAN WICK, UH, WITH THE OFFICE OF ETHICS AND TRANSPARENCY.

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HE'LL BE CONDUCTING A PRESENTATION ON THE ETHICS PROGRAM FOR CITY COMMISSIONERS.

THANKS, PATRICK.

UH, WELCOME, UH, NEW COMMISSION.

IT'S A LITTLE ODD TO SEE CHAIR PARKIN ON THAT SIDE OF THE DAIS.

UM, BUT CONGRATULATIONS AGAIN.

MY NAME IS HEATHER VAN WICK.

I AM, UH, THE ETHICS OFFICER FOR THE CITY.

I'VE BEEN WITH THE CITY OVER 17 YEARS NOW, BUT JUST IN THIS POSITION ALMOST TWO YEARS.

UM, THE ETHICS PROGRAM IS A NEWER PROGRAM.

IT WAS ACTUALLY ESTABLISHED WHILE, UH, CHAIR PARKIN WAS OUR CITY ATTORNEY.

SO IT'S STILL A NEWER PROGRAM.

UM, I'LL GIVE YOU JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND.

UM, PART OF THE, ONE OF MY MAIN ROLES AS THE ETHICS OFFICER IS TO SUPPORT THE ETHICS COMMISSION.

IT'S A NEWER COMMISSION, UM, LIKE THIS COMMISSION, IT WAS VOTER APPROVED, UH, THROUGH MEASURE CCC BACK AT THE END OF 2018.

UM, A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM YOU.

THIS IS, UM, A RECOMMENDING BODY.

UH, THE CHARTER ALLOWS THEM, UM, OVERSIGHT OR NOT REALLY OVERSIGHT, UM, ALLOWED TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS AROUND CAMPAIGN FINANCE, LOBBYING CONFLICTS OF INTEREST AND OTHER GOVERNMENT ETHICS.

IT ALSO GIVES THEM, UM, A SAY IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF OUR ETHICS EDUCATION PROGRAM.

SO THAT IS A PRIORITY FOR THEM, THE FOUNDATION OF WHAT THE COMMISSION, AND REALLY THE PROGRAM IS BUILT ON.

UM, PART OF THAT FOUNDATION INCLUDES A REPORT THAT WAS RELEASED BY THE AUDITOR IN 2020, UH, THAT INCLUDED AN EMPLOYEE ETHICS SURVEY AND A PERFORMANCE AUDIT.

AND IT IDENTIFIED A LOT OF GAPS AND REALLY TOLD US THAT WE NEEDED TO BUILD A STRONGER ETHICS PROGRAM IN THE CITY AND MAKE AND INCLUDING HAVING A MORE CENTRALIZED PROGRAM.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON, UM, THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS.

WE'RE ALSO LUCKY ENOUGH TO HAVE A USC CAPSTONE PROJECT DONE HERE WITH THE COMMISSION.

WE HAD A GROUP OF MPA STUDENTS COME IN AND HELP US BUILD, UH, THE FRAMEWORK FOR WHAT HAS BECOME OUR EDUCATION PROGRAM.

SO JUST THIS YEAR, UH, THIS FISCAL YEAR, UH, THE ETHICS PROGRAM AND OUR PUBLIC ACTS, PRO PUBLIC RECORDS ACT PROGRAM, JOINED FORCES TO BECOME THE OFFICE OF ETHICS IN TRANSPARENCY.

AND REALLY THE MISSION OF THIS OFFICE, THE MISSION OF THE COMMISSION IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE COMM, THE MISSION OF THIS COMMISSION.

IT'S REALLY TO ESTABLISH TRUST, TO CONTINUE TO BUILD TRUST AND MAINTAIN TRUST WITH THE PUBLIC AND OUR EMPLOYEES.

UM, SO THAT'S WHAT WE STRIVE TO DO DAILY.

LIKE I MENTIONED, UM, THE ETHICS EDUCATION PROGRAM, THAT'S A, A FOCAL POINT FOR OUR COMMISSION, A FOCAL POINT FOR THE CITY.

UM, OUR TRAINING CURRICULUM, UH, WE BELIEVE THAT EDUCATION DRIVES COMPLIANCE, SO WE REALLY LEAD WITH OUR VALUES.

WE ALSO USE OUR ETHICS GUIDE AS THE FOUNDATION OF OUR PROGRAM.

UM, I'M SURE YOU ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE ETHICS GUIDE BY NOW, BUT IF YOU'RE NOT, UM, THAT SHOULD REALLY BE IN YOUR ARSENAL OF TOOLS AS YOU NAVIGATE YOUR WAY THROUGH, UM, YOUR ROLE AS COMMISSIONERS.

WE'RE ALWAYS WORKING IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY AND THE CITY CLERK.

UM, JUST LAST YEAR WE UPDATED, OR THE COMMISSION MADE A RECOMMENDATION TO UPDATE OUR CODE OF CONDUCT AND ETHICS.

AND THAT WAS CODIFIED, UH, EARLY 2023.

AND PART OF THAT CODIFICATION REQUIRES AN ANNUAL MANDATORY TRAINING FOR ALL OF US, NOT JUST ELECTED OR APPOINTED OFFICIALS.

AND THAT'S A BIG DEAL.

UH, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THE EMPLOYEES ASKED FOR, UM, THAT ALL OF US BE TRAINED IN ETHICS.

SO WE'VE DONE THAT.

UM, IF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN INTRODUCED TO THE LEARN PLATFORM, WHICH IS OUR LEARNING MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, THAT'S WHERE THIS TRAINING, UH, LIVES CURRENTLY.

SO IF YOU HAVEN'T TAKEN THE TRAINING YET, YOU WILL BE TAKING IT SOON.

DID I SEE A HAND CO-OP? OH, NO.

UM, IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN INVITED TO JOIN, LEARN, UH, JUST LET PATRICK KNOW.

AND, UH, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT YOUR EMAIL ADDRESSES ARE IN THE SYSTEM.

UM, SO AS WE LAUNCH THAT TRAINING, UM, WE'LL START CREATING OTHER TRAININGS, MICRO TRAININGS, DURING OTHER OUTREACH.

SO IF THERE'S THINGS THAT YOU IDENTIFY AS THE POLICE OVERSIGHT COMMISSION THAT YOU THINK WE COULD USE SOME MORE TRAINING IN, UM, LET ME KNOW.

I'M HAPPY TO ACCEPT IDEAS AND BRAINSTORM WITH, UM, FRANCINE'S TEAM AND PATRICK ON, ON HOW TO MAKE THOSE TRAININGS COME TO LIFE.

THERE IS A NEW TRAINING CURRICULUM FOR COMMISSIONS, UM, THAT THE CITY CLERK AND THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IS FINALIZING.

SO IN ADDITION TO THE CODE OF CONDUCT AND OTHER ETHICS STANDARDS, UM, OH, AND I SHOULD POINT OUT THAT OUR CITY TRAINING, OUR CITY ETHICS TRAINING IS IN ADDITION TO YOUR AB 1234 TRAINING.

UM, SO YOU'LL BE DOING

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WELL AT LEAST EVERY OTHER YEAR, YOU'LL BE DOING TWO ETHICS TRAININGS.

AND, BUT THIS TRAINING IS EVERY YEAR.

SO IT'S IN ADDITION TO THE AB UH, 1234 TRAINING.

BUT PART OF THAT CURRICULUM, IN ADDITION TO THE CITY ETHICS STANDARDS, IS OUR EQUITY TOOLKIT AND OUR 2030 STRATEGIC VISION.

SO AS THAT BECOMES FINALIZED, YOU'LL BE REQUIRED AS COMMISSIONERS TO TAKE THE THOSE TRAININGS AS WELL.

WE ALSO ESTABLISHED A HELPLINE.

THIS IS ALL THE INFORMATION.

UM, WE'VE GOT AN ONLINE FORM AND A PHONE NUMBER.

AND REALLY THIS CAN BE USED TO REPORT ANY, UM, PERCEIVED ETHICAL ISSUES, INCLUDING BROWN ACT VIOLATIONS, HEALTH AND SAFETY, ET CETERA.

BUT IT'S ALSO, IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR US TO CREATE A SAFE SPACE FOR PEOPLE TO ASK QUESTIONS, EMPLOYEES TO ASK QUESTIONS.

UM, WHETHER IT'S JUST LOOKING FOR ADVICE OR YOU'RE JUST NOT SURE.

I MEAN, WE KNOW THAT ETHICS CAN BE A VERY GRAY AREA.

UM, LEGAL IS NOT ALWAYS ETHICAL, UM, AND VICE VERSA.

SO THIS HELPLINE IS, UM, A, A PATHWAY FOR, FOR PEOPLE TO ASK QUESTIONS AND A SAFE WAY TO DO THAT.

UH, WE'RE ALSO WORKING, UM, ON A STRATEGIC ROADMAP.

SO THE ETHICS COMMISSION WAS ALLOCATED, UM, $75,000 THIS FISCAL YEAR TO DEVELOP A FIVE YEAR ROADMAP.

SO WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH A CONSULTANT, UM, TO DO THAT.

AND THIS INCLUDES INTERVIEWS, SURVEY, PUBLIC MEETINGS, AND WE ARE GOING THROUGH OUR FOUR, UH, PUBLIC MEETINGS RIGHT NOW.

AND THESE ARE THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE FOR, UM, OFFICIALS AND EMPLOYEES.

IT INCLUDES, WE'VE UPDATED OUR WEBSITE.

PLEASE TAKE A LOOK.

OUR HELPLINE, WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT.

THE CLERK'S OFFICE MANAGES A DISCLOSURE REPORTS AND ETHICS PORTAL, UM, ALL THINGS STATE REQUIRED YOU CAN FIND INFORMATION ABOUT.

AND THEN OUR AUDITOR HAS HER HOTLINE AS WELL.

AND THAT, UM, CENTERS, UM, FRAUD, WASTE AND ABUSE.

SO THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS THAT YOU CAN ACCESS THAT.

AND WITH THAT, THAT'S THE END OF MY PRESENTATION ON THE ETHICS PROGRAM.

THIS IS ALL OF MY CONTACT INFORMATION.

IF YOU CAN'T REMEMBER MY LAST NAME OR AT LEAST HOW TO SPELL MY LAST NAME, ETHICS@LONGBEACH.GOV COMES DIRECTLY TO ME TOO.

AND I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY, ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU, HEATHER.

ANY QUESTIONS? THANKS GUYS.

YEP.

I'M SORRY.

THAT'S OKAY.

SO, UM, I, I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN A LOT OF COMMUNITY ACTIVITIES, UM, UNPAID VOLUNTEER KIND OF WORK.

MAINLY ADVOCACY, I'LL HAVE TO SAY.

UM, WOULD IT BE WISE FOR ME TO DISCONTINUE THOSE ACTIVITIES OR SHOULD I JUST GO ON NO CASE BY CASE? IF, IF YOU'RE A PART OF A GROUP THAT YOUR SPIDEY SENSES GO OFF, UM, GIVE ME A CALL AND I CAN TALK IT THROUGH WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

BUT NO, WE DON'T, WE DON'T ADVOCATE FOR YOU TO DROP ALL OF YOUR OTHER, UM, ACTIVITIES.

'CAUSE THOSE ARE REALLY IMPORTANT TOO.

OKAY.

SO, BUT AGAIN, IF THERE'S ONE THAT YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC QUESTION ABOUT, WE CAN HELP YOU FIGURE THAT OUT.

THANK YOU.

OR ANITA, CAN I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION? UH, THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION.

UM, THE, IF I UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY, THE ETHICS TRAINING, WHICH WE ALL COMPLETED, UM, AS PART OF OUR ONBOARDING, THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL ONE THAT WE WILL BE UNDERTAKING.

YES.

YOU PROBABLY TOOK THE AB 1234 AS PART OF YOUR ONBOARDING PROCESS.

YES.

UM, SO YES, I WOULD EXPECT AN INVITATION TO TAKE ONE MORE.

IT'S ONLY 25 MINUTES, SO I PROMISE, UM, IT SHOULD GO QUICKLY.

I HOPE AND IT'S ME TALKING THE WHOLE TIME.

I'LL WARN YOU.

ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU GUYS.

CONGRATULATIONS AGAIN.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, HEATHER.

WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT IT'S A LITTLE DOWN THE LINE SINCE YOU'RE ETHICALLY OVERSATURATED RIGHT NOW, FROM THAT TWO HOURS , WE'LL GIVE YOU SOME SPACE.

.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU HEATHER, FOR THE PRESENTATION.

UH, MR. CLERK, CAN WE DO A ROLL CALL? VOTE TO RECEIVE AND FILE THE PRESENTATION? YEAH, JUST IF THERE'S ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM NOW.

SCENE NONE.

DO A ROLL CALL.

VOTE.

COMMISSIONER BROWN.

AYE.

COMMISSIONER OCH.

AYE.

COMMISSIONER OROZCO.

AYE.

CHAIR PARKIN AYE.

COMMISSIONER O SOTO? YES.

VICE CHAIR TUSHNET AYE.

MOTION CARRIES.

ALL RIGHT, MR. CLERK, UH, PLEASE READ THE NEXT ITEM.

ITEM THREE IS RECOMMENDATION

[3. 24-52520 Recommendation to receive and file a presentation on the Brown Act and Roberts Rules of Order.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]

TO RECEIVE AND FILE A PRESENTATION ON THE BROWN ACT AND ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER.

WE GET A MOTION AND A SECOND TO RECEIVE THE FILE, THE PRESENTATION.

SECOND.

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THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT, UH, I WOULD NOW LIKE TO INTRODUCE DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY ANITA ANI WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, WHO WILL BE CONDUCTING A PRESENTATION ON THE BROWN ACT AND ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER.

GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.

CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR APPOINTMENT.

UM, AS PATRICK STATED, MY NAME IS ANITA ANI.

I'M ONE OF THE DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEYS HERE WITH THE CITY.

I'LL GO AHEAD AND JUMP RIGHT IN ON, UH, PRESENTATION WITH THE BROWN ACT AND ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER.

SO WHAT EXACTLY IS THE BROWN ACT? UM, SOME GENERAL PRINCIPLES, UM, SURROUNDING THE BROWN ACT ARE THAT ALL MEETINGS SHALL BE OPEN AND PUBLIC ACTIONS AND DELIBERATIONS OF THE COMMISSION MUST BE TAKEN OPENLY.

ALL PEOPLE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO ATTEND AND PARTICIPATE IN THE, UH, COMMISSION MEETINGS AND ONLY MATTERS ON THE AGENDA CAN BE DISCUSSED.

IT'LL POP UP.

THE BROWN ACT, UM, APPLIES TO ALL LEGISLATIVE BODIES, WHICH INCLUDES THIS COMMISSION HERE TODAY.

UM, THE BROWN ACT ALSO APPLIES TO SUBCOMMITTEES CREATED BY FORMAL ACTION.

UM, THE BROWN ACT DOES NOT APPLY TO ANY TEMPORARY AD HOC, UH, COMMITTEES, UH, THAT THE COMMISSION VOTES BY A MAJORITY.

SO WHAT EXACTLY IS A MEETING AND WHEN DOES THIS APPLY? UM, SO ANY CONGREGATION OF A MAJORITY OF, UH, THE COMMISSION MEMBERS AT THE SAME TIME AND THE SAME PLACE DISCUSSING MATTERS OF COMMISSIONED BUSINESS, WILL TRIGGER, UH, THE MEETING REQUIREMENTS.

AND THAT MUST BE THEN OPEN AND PUBLIC.

SO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN, UM, COMMISSIONERS START TEXTING EACH OTHER OR SENDING EMAILS TO EACH OTHER? PLEASE BE AWARE THAT THIS CAN ALSO TRIGGER THE WORD MEETING UNDER THE BROWN ACT.

UM, SO LET'S SAY THAT, UH, CHAIR PARKIN STARTS THE TEXT MESSAGE THREAD AND SENDS IT OVER TO VICE CHAIR, AND THEN THE VICE CHAIR FORWARDS OVER THAT TEXT MESSAGE CHAIN TO TWO MORE COMMISSIONERS.

NOW WE HAVE A MAJORITY, SO ANYTHING THAT'S RELATED TO COMMISSION BUSINESS IN THAT TEXT MESSAGE THREAD IS NOW ONE PUBLIC RECORD AND TWO, UM, SUBJECT TO THE BROWN ACT, AND IS NOW A VIOLATION OF THE BROWN ACT, WHICH IS SUBJECT TO CIVIL AND CRIMINAL PENALTIES.

SO PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT COMMISSION BUSINESS, THAT YOU ONLY DO SO IN AN OPEN AND PUBLIC MEETING, UM, SUCH AS THIS TODAY.

SO WHAT IS NOT A MEETING? WHEN CAN YOU ACTUALLY TALK TO EACH OTHER? UM, YOU CAN SPEAK TO EACH OTHER INDIVIDUALLY.

UM, YOU CAN SPEAK TO CONSTITUENTS, ADVOCATES, YOU KNOW, UM, CONSULTANTS IF TWO OF YOU ARE IN THE ROOM TOGETHER.

BUT THE MINUTE THAT A MAJORITY OF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT COMMISSION BUSINESS SPECIFICALLY, THAT'S WHEN THE BROWN ACT WILL BE TRIGGERED.

SO IF YOU'RE AT A CONFERENCE, IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, YOU'RE AT ANOTHER LOCAL MEETING, UM, YOU'RE AT A SOCIAL EVENT, NO WORRIES.

JUST KEEP YOUR CHATTER, UM, AT ZERO ABOUT THE COMMISSION BUSINESS.

SO SOME GENERAL RULES ABOUT WHEN MEETINGS CAN BE HELD.

THE ONLY TIME A REGULAR MEETING CAN BE HELD, SUCH AS THE ONE TODAY, THE AGENDA NEEDS TO BE POSTED 72 HOURS BEFOREHAND.

UM, THERE IS A WAY TO HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING AND THAT'S IF A, UM, THE CHAIR CALLS THE MEETING, OR A MAJORITY OF COMMISSION MEMBERS CALL A MEETING FOR A SPECIAL PURPOSE.

YOU CAN HOLD THAT MEETING AS LONG AS YOU'VE POSTED AN AGENDA 24 HOURS BEFORE.

SO WHAT NEEDS TO GO ON THE AGENDA? UH, BRIEF GENERAL DESCRIPTION OF EACH ITEM.

THE REASON FOR THIS IS SO THE PUBLIC KNOWS WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT TO ATTEND AND PROVIDE THEIR PUBLIC COMMENT.

UM, EVERY AGENDA NEEDS TO HAVE THE DATE, TIME, AND LOCATION OF THE MEETING, AGAIN, FOR PURPOSES OF TRANSPARENCY SO THE PUBLIC CAN COME ATTEND AND PROVIDE THEIR PUBLIC COMMENT.

UH, WE NEED TO INFORM THE PUBLIC OF THE SCOPE OF THE COMMISSION'S PLANS, AND THAT'S WHY YOU NEED PROPER AGENDA ITEMS AND DESCRIPTIONS.

AND THE AGENDA MUST BE POSTED IN A FREELY ACCESSIBLE, UM, LOCATION.

THE PUBLIC HAVE A RIGHT TO COMMENT AT EVERY MEETING.

UM, SO AS YOU SEE, UH, HERE TODAY, MR. CLERK DID CALL FOR A PUBLIC COMMENT AFTER EACH AGENDA ITEM THAT IS REQUIRED.

UM, AND THEN THE PUBLIC IS ALSO ALLOWED TO COMMENT ON, UM, ANY MATTER, UM, RELATED TO THE COMMISSION BUSINESS.

LATER ON, YOU CAN PUT REASONABLE REGULATIONS ON THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT THE PUBLIC CAN COMMENT.

UM, AND THOSE CAN BE ADOPTED IF WE NEED EXTRA TIME LIMITS, IF THERE'S A LOT OF PUBLIC HERE.

UM, YOU'LL SEE AT, UH, CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS WHERE THE MAYOR WILL TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GIVING A COMMENT SO HE CAN PUT IN A REASONABLE TIME REGULATION SO THE PUBLIC HAVE A RIGHT TO ATTEND.

SO WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? NOT ONLY DO THEY GET TO COMMENT, THEY ALSO CAN RECORD EITHER BY AUDIO, VIDEO, OR TAKE PICTURES.

UM,

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THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO REVIEW ALL OF THE AGENDAS AND ANY OTHER WRITINGS THAT ARE RELATED TO THE COMMISSION.

SO PLEASE BE SURE THAT WHEN YOU ARE WRITING EMAILS, UM, YOU KNOW, TO, TO THE OFFICE THAT YOU, YOU'RE AWARE THAT THOSE RECORDS ARE ACTUALLY SUBJECT TO PUBLIC RECORD.

UM, BECAUSE THEY ARE COMMISSION BUSINESS SUBJECT TO A FEW EXCEPTIONS, SUCH AS ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE.

BUT AS A GENERAL RULE, JUST WHEN YOU'RE WRITING EMAILS, JUST FEEL THAT THE PUBLIC IS GOING TO SEE THEM.

OH, AND ONE MORE THING.

UM, WHEN YOU ARE MAKING VOTES HERE DURING COMMISSION MEETINGS, NO SECRET BALLOTS ARE ALLOWED.

SO THERE'S NO ABILITY FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE ABSENT ONE DAY AND YOU WANT, UH, COMMISSIONER SOTO TO GIVE THEIR VOTE FOR YOU, YOU CAN'T DO ANY PROXY, NO SECRET VOTES.

EVERYTHING HAS TO BE DONE IN PUBLIC.

SO THERE'S ANOTHER THING CALLED CLOSED SESSION.

UM, RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN OPEN SESSION.

SO CLOSED SESSION.

WHEN CAN THAT TAKE PLACE? THERE'S ONLY LIMITED EXAMPLES.

UM, ONE IS IF THERE'S AN ANTICIPATED OR PENDING LITIGATION.

UH, ANOTHER ONE IS IF THERE'S A PUBLIC EMPLOYMENT ISSUE, SUCH AS AN APPOINTMENT OR, UM, A MATTER OF DISCIPLINE OR DISMISSAL.

AND THEN THE THIRD IS A PUBLIC SECURITY MATTER.

SO WHAT HAPPENS IF A COMMISSIONER VIOLATES THE BROWN ACT? UM, COMMISSIONERS WOULD BE SUBJECT TO CIVIL ACTIONS OR CRIMINAL PENALTIES, WHICH COULD BE PUNISHABLE UP TO A MISDEMEANOR.

SO PLEASE BE CAREFUL WHENEVER YOU'RE, UM, YOU KNOW, CONDUCTING COMMISSION BUSINESS AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU DOUBLE CHECK TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE FOLLOWING THE BROWN ACT.

SO THAT CONCLUDES THE BROWN ACT PORTION OF THE PRESENTATION.

AND NOW WE'LL DO A QUICK OVERVIEW OF ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER, WHICH ARE ESSENTIALLY JUST THE GENERAL PRINCIPLES OF HOW TO CONDUCT AN OPEN MEETING.

SO THE PURPOSE OF ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER IS TO ENSURE THAT ALL COMMISSIONERS HAVE A FAIR OPPORTUNITY, UH, TO SPEAK THEIR MIND.

AND THAT ALL COMMISSIONERS ARE COURTESY, COURTEOUS TO EACH OTHER.

UM, IT ALLOWS FOR ALL BOARD MEMBERS TO PROVIDE EQUAL AMOUNTS OF INPUT.

UM, THERE'S A THEORY OF MAJORITY RULES AND THAT'S ALSO FOLLOWED HERE UNDER ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER.

UM, IT PROVIDES RULES FOR THE CHAIR FOR MAINTENANCE OF ORDER, UH, CONSIDERATION OF ONE ITEM AT A TIME.

AND, UM, THE LAST THING, JUST THE GENERALLY THAT ALL VIEWPOINTS SHOULD BE HEARD, UM, OF ALL COMMISSION MEMBERS.

SO THIS ONE'S A LONG ONE.

THERE'S A LOT ON THIS SLIDE, BUT I'LL I'LL GO THROUGH IT QUICKLY.

UM, GENERALLY JUST LIKE THE BROWN ACT, A QUORUM MUST BE PRESENT FOR THE MEETING TO BE HELD.

UM, NO PERSON SHOULD SPEAK UNTIL RECOGNIZED BY THE CHAIR.

UM, PERSONAL REMARKS DURING A DEBATE ARE OUT OF ORDER.

PLEASE AVOID, UM, PUTTING IN PERSONAL REMARKS AND KEEP IT TO COMMISSION BUSINESS WHEN THERE'S A DELIBERATION.

UM, THE PRINCIPLE OF HAVING ONLY ONE ITEM CONSIDERED AT A TIME, WHICH WE'VE DONE HERE WITH THE HELP OF THE CLERK'S OFFICE.

UM, ONE PERSON SHOULD ONLY BE TALKING AT ONE TIME.

SO BECAUSE WE NEED TO BE TAKING MINUTES, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE AREN'T TALKING OVER ONE ANOTHER.

UM, AND TO RESPECT, UM, THAT ALL COMMISSIONERS CAN HAVE THE MIC, UH, ALL DISCUSSIONS SHOULD BE RELEVANT TO EACH AGENDA ITEM AND NO MEMBER SHOULD SPEAK MORE THAN ONCE.

MORE THAN ONCE, YES, UNLESS ALL OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

SO WE WANNA GIVE EVERYONE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ONCE DURING A DELIBERATION.

AND THEN IF YOU HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT TO MAKE, YOU CAN DO SO.

AFTER ALL OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY.

ALL REMARKS MUST BE ADDRESSED TO THE CHAIR AND NO CROSS DEBATE IS PERMITTED.

AND LASTLY, UM, SPEAKERS AT PUBLIC COMMENT ARE HERE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION AND FOR COMMISSIONERS TO DELIBERATE WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY.

BUT PLEASE DO NOT ENGAGE IN A, IN KIND OF A Q AND A SESSION, UH, DURING PUBLIC COMMENT.

'CAUSE IT CAN, UM, GET A LITTLE LENGTHY AND WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO TALK ABOUT STUFF OUTSIDE OF COMMISSION BUSINESS OR THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA SO IT CAN GET STEERED AWAY PRETTY QUICKLY.

SO WE LIKE TO AVOID THAT.

ALRIGHT, SO THE ROLE OF THE CHAIR .

UM, THE ROLE OF THE CHAIR IS TO RUN AN ORDERLY MEETING WHICH COMPLIES WITH THE BROWN ACT, UM, TO INTRODUCE BUSINESS IN PROPER ORDER PER THE AGENDA TO RECOGNIZE SPEAKERS, BOTH COMMISSION MEMBERS AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO DETERMINE IF WE NEED A MOTION TO KEEP THE DISCUSSION FOCUSED, TO ENFORCE TIME LIMITS AND TO PUT MOTIONS TO A VOTE AND TO ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS.

SO SOME RULES ON MOTIONS AND VOTING.

ANY COMMISSION MEMBER HAS THE ABILITY TO MAKE A SECOND OR START THE MOTION.

UM, THE PURPOSE OF MAKING A MOTION IS TO JUST PUT THE MATTER ON THE FLOOR SO YOU CAN START TALKING ABOUT IT.

A MOTION NEEDS A SECOND BEFORE IT CAN BE VOTED ON.

AND THEN SOMEONE OTHER THAN THE PERSON MAKING THE MOTION NEEDS TO BE THE SECOND.

THAT CONCLUDES

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THE PRESENTATION ON THE BROWN ACT AND ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER.

I TRIED TO KEEP IT KIND OF SWIFT FOR YOU.

UM, BUT UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M OPEN FOR THAT AT THIS TIME.

ANY QUESTION? COMMISSIONERS? THANK YOU ANITA.

THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU ANITA FOR THE PRESENTATION.

UM, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, MR. CLERK, CAN WE DO A ROLL CALL? VOTE TO RECEIVE AND FILE THE PRESENTATION.

COMMISSIONER BROWN.

AYE.

COMMISSIONER OCO? AYE.

COMMISSIONER OROZCO.

AYE.

CHAIR PARKIN AYE.

COMMISSIONER SOTO, VICE CHAIR CHINET? YES.

MOTION CARRIES.

MR. CLERK, PLEASE READ THE NEXT ITEM.

ITEM FOUR IS RECOMMENDATION TO

[4. 24-52523 Recommendation to dicuss future Commission meeting dates.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]

DISCUSS FUTURE COMMISSION MEETING DATES.

CAN I GET A MOTION AND A SECOND? SO MOVE SECOND.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

AND CONGRATULATIONS TO THE NEWLY ELECTED AND APPOINTED CHAIRS AND VICE CHAIR.

I KNOW IT WAS A TOUGH COMPETITION.

VERY STIFF BRUTALLY WITH THE GROUP , BUT CONGRATULATIONS.

SO MOVING INTO THIS NEXT ITEM, UM, WE ARE GOING TO DISCUSS FUTURE COMMISSION MEETINGS.

UM, I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE ALREADY READ THE INFORMATION REGARDING THE CHARTERS AND DUTIES AND THIS PARTICULAR, UH, GROUP WILL MEET QUARTERLY.

THIS IS THE FIRST MEETING OF SEVERAL TO COME THAT ARE MORE FOUNDATIONAL, IF YOU WILL.

UM, SO I THINK WHAT I'M ASKING IS THE CONSIDERATION OF HOW YOU WANT TO MOVE THE MEETING FORWARD FOR THE NEXT FEW MEETINGS.

SO WE HAVE RESERVED THE THIRD WEDNESDAY OF EVERY MONTH JUST IN PREPARATION OF WHAT WOULD BE DECIDED AS OF RIGHT NOW WITH THE EXCEPTION OF JUNE.

THE THIRD WEDNESDAY, UM, IS JUNETEENTH.

SO THERE'LL BE NO CITY BUSINESS ON THAT DAY.

UM, JUST TO COVER SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE WILL HANDLE, THAT'S MORE OF THE FOUNDATIONAL PIECE.

WE WILL TALK ABOUT SPECIFIC DUTIES.

THERE'LL BE A PRESENTATION THAT KIND OF GOES INTO DETAILS ABOUT THE DUTIES OF THE COMMISSION AS IT RELATES TO THE OFFICE OF POLICE OVERSIGHT, AS WELL AS, UH, POTENTIALLY A PRESENTATION FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING, UH, JUST TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING APART ON EQUITY AND RACIAL RECONCILIATION.

BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPERATIVE WITH THE WORK THAT WE'RE GONNA BE DOING MOVING FORWARD AND POSSIBLY IN AUDITING 1 0 1 ABOUT HOW TO REVIEW AUDITS.

UM, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THINGS JUST STAND IMPARTIAL WITH THE WORK THAT'S BEING DONE.

I DO HAVE A COMMITMENT TO TRY AND KEEP THESE MEETINGS TO ABOUT AN HOUR, HOUR AND A HALF IN RESPECT OF EVERYONE'S TIME.

UM, BEING THAT THIS IS THE FIRST MEETING, I WILL MAKE YOU AWARE THAT RIGHT NOW THE OFFICE IS IN THE PROCESS OF BEING BUILT.

UM, I DO HAVE PATRICK, SO I WILL TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO INTRODUCE STAFF.

I HAVE PATRICK, THAT IS MY INVESTIGATING OFFICER.

WE HAVE SALLY IN THE BACK, UH, GALVES.

SHE'S ONE OF THE INTERNS THAT'S BEEN ON FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS.

AND THIS IS JOSE'S RODRIGUEZ.

HIS FIRST WEEK.

HE STARTED ON MONDAY.

THAT WAS HIS TYPO.

I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE.

ACTUALLY, I TOLD HIM TO SPELL IT THAT WAY.

SO I'LL TAKE, UH, ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THAT ONE.

UM, BUT IN ORDER FOR THE COMMISSION TO DO THE WORK THAT THEY'RE TASKED WITH DOING, UM, IT'S VERY SPECIFIC TO LOOKING AT AUDITS.

WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF HIRING STAFF FOR THE OFFICE.

WE HAVE A OR ONE INVESTIGATOR, UH, INTERVIEWS TOMORROW.

SO WE SHOULD HAVE SOMEBODY ON BOARD PROBABLY WITHIN A MONTH OR SO.

WE'RE GONNA BE OPENING UP ANOTHER POSITION FOR AN ADMIN, UM, SPOT TOMORROW AS WELL.

AND THEN WE HAVE TO HIRE TWO AUDITORS.

THERE WAS A BIT OF A PUSH TO GET THE COMMISSION ON BOARD AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, BUT KEEPING IN MIND THAT WE DO NOT HAVE SPECIFIC WORK FOR YOU TO DO YET.

SO WITH ALL OF THAT MOUTHFUL SAID, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY MOVING DIRECTLY INTO POST THIS MEETING GOING INTO THE QUARTERLY, WHICH WOULD BRING US TO JULY, OCTOBER, JANUARY.

SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT POSSIBLY RIGHT AROUND JANUARY THAT WE WILL, THERE'LL BE INFORMATION TO BRING TO THE OTHER MEETINGS, BUT JANUARY, MAYBE THE BEGINNING OF THE REVIEW FOR THE COMMISSION WHEN THEY WILL, UM, NOT ONLY DO YOU LOOK AT THE AUDITS THAT THE OFFICE WILL DO, BUT ALSO THE, UM, ANNUAL REPORT.

WE'LL BRING THAT FORWARD FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL.

UM, OR WE COULD LOOK AT MARCH, APRIL, JULY, OCTOBER, JANUARY.

I THINK THAT IT IS GOOD.

WE'RE KIND OF MISSING THE HOLIDAY MONTHS.

I THINK NOVEMBER, DECEMBER WOULD BE A LITTLE TRICKY TO TRY AND GET EVERYONE HERE.

UM, WE SHOULD BE ONBOARDING ONE NEW COMMISSIONER IN JULY.

SO I'M OPEN FOR, UM, ANY RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL AS IF THERE'S ANY RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING A TIME CHANGE.

I'M TRYING TO BE CONSIDERATE OF WHO WE HAVE HERE PRESENT.

UM, LOOKING OUT TO THE FUTURE, I

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WOULD LIKE THE COMMISSION TO KINDA, SINCE IT'S ONLY QUARTERLY, GO TO DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY TO GET MORE COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT.

SO THINKING ABOUT THE TIMING OF THAT, UM, TIME-WISE.

THANK YOU DIRECTOR.

I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS ON MOVING FORWARD.

VICE CHAIR.

SO THE, THE FIRST MEETINGS ARE MONTHLY AND THEN WE MOVE TO QUARTERLY.

I I WAS, I GOT CONFUSED.

NO, I PROBABLY SAID IT IN A CONFUSING WAY.

I'LL LET THE CHAIR EXPLAIN.

IT'S UP TO YOU.

I COULD JUST, IF I UNDERSTAND AND, AND I'M, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I, I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING IS YOU NEED SOME TIME TO STAFF UP AND GET READY AND THAT OUR NEXT MEETING I WOULD THINK WOULD BE IN JULY THE NEXT TIME WE WOULD MEET.

OKAY.

AND THEN AFTER THAT, I WOULD ALSO ASK IF FIVE O'CLOCK WORKS FOR EVERYBODY ON THE COMMISSION INSTEAD OF SIX.

BUT, UM, THAT'S JUST ME ASKING THAT.

I, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S DOABLE BY THE CLERK IN THE ROOM AVAILABLE, BUT, UM, I WOULD'VE TO CHECK IF THE ROOM IS AVAILABLE.

UM, BUT I CAN SURELY GET BACK TO STAFF WITH THAT.

THAT WAS, AND THEN WE, I CERTAINLY SUPPORT, I'LL JUST THROW IT IN NOW, HAVING MEETINGS IN THE COMMUNITY IN VARIOUS PARTS OF THE CITY, UM, TO DISCUSS OUR BUSINESS AND GET PUBLIC INPUT.

THANK YOU.

VICE CHAIR.

I AGREE WITH MOVING THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE COMMUNITY.

I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.

SO THANK YOU.

ABSOLUTELY.

COMMISSIONER BROWN, MOVING INTO JULY, ARE YOU STILL FOCUSING ON THE THIRD WEDNESDAY OF THE MONTH? I WOULD BE, UNLESS THERE IS A REQUEST TO DO SOMETHING ELSE.

IF WE, WE WERE LOOKING AT THE AVAILABILITY OF CIVIC CHAMBERS.

OKAY.

IF WE ARE DECIDING TO GO TO OTHER PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY, THAT MIGHT NOT BE AS MUCH OF A RESTRICTION, UM, BECAUSE WE CAN BASE THAT CALENDAR ON WHAT'S AVAILABLE AND WHERE WE WANNA GO.

SO I THINK NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, WEST WILL HAVE US COVERED.

I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT I WOULD HAVE A, UM, ONGOING CONFLICT WITH THE THIRD WEDNESDAY OF THE MONTH, UM, BASED ON MY EMPLOYMENT.

I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

THEN WE CAN DEFINITELY MOVE, WE CAN MOVE A DIFFERENT DAY.

WE ORIGINALLY IT WAS GONNA BE THE SECOND WEDNESDAY, BUT THEN THERE WAS A CONFLICT WITH THE CHAMBERS.

SO IF SECOND WEDNESDAY STILL WORKS FOR EVERYONE AND ALSO IF WE'RE MOVING OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY, THEN THAT TOTALLY WORKS FOR US.

WE'RE AT YOUR DISPOSAL AT THIS POINT WITH THE CALENDAR.

YEAH, PERSONALLY FOR ME, I THINK WEDNESDAYS ARE THE BEST FOR ME, WHETHER IT'S FIRST, SECOND, THIRD OR FOURTH AND FIVE O'CLOCK IS PERFECT AS WELL.

SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M MORE LEANING TOWARDS.

AND I WOULD IF I'D JUST ALSO LIKE TO ASK IF, IF OUR FIRST OR OUR NEXT MEETING WOULD BE HERE IN JULY OR, UH, SO THAT WE CAN GET SOME INPUT FROM THE COMMISSIONERS ON WHERE IN THE COMMUNITY THEY WANT TO GO.

OR MAYBE A MEMO FROM STAFF ON SUGGESTIONS ON WHERE WE COULD GO.

UM, I MEAN I'D LIKE IN THE PERFECT WORLD TO GET OUT TO THE NORTH, TO THE WEST AND THE EAST AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE DOWNTOWN HERE IN THE CHAMBER.

SO, BUT I'M OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS FROM ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS ON IF THEY THINK THERE'S A PLACE OR OR FROM YOU DIRECTOR ON WHERE YOU THINK IT FEASIBLE AND PROBABLY FROM THE CLERK ON A TECHNICAL STANDPOINT WHERE WE PHYSICALLY COULD DO IT.

THANK YOU.

YEAH, WE WOULD DEFINITELY HAVE TO CHECK WITH TI AND MAKE SURE THAT ANY SPACE THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO HOST A MEETING WOULD BE SUFFICIENT WITH THEM.

AND, AND IF WE COULD LOOK AT MAYBE OTHER PLACES WHERE THE CITY COUNCIL HAS MET THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, MEET THAT CRITERIA.

I KNOW THEY'VE MET AT CITY COLLEGE, THEY'VE MET OUT OF JORDAN, THEY'VE MET AT SOME, SOME OF THE HIGH SCHOOLS.

SO MAYBE THOSE KIND OF OPPORTUNITIES.

WHEREVER A DIRECTOR YOU, YOU THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS? SO I THINK IF I CAN DO A CONSENSUS WHERE OUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE HERE IN JULY, BUT MAYBE WE'RE GONNA TRY AND CAN I ASK A QUESTION? OH, I'M SORRY.

GO AHEAD.

I JUST WANTED, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, ARE WE LOOKING AT JULY 10TH THEN DOING OUR NEXT ONE? THAT'S EXACTLY OKAY.

WE, THE THIRD WEDNESDAY IS GONNA BE A PROBLEM FOR YOU.

SO COULD WE LOOK AT A DIFFERENT WEDNESDAY IN JULY FOR THAT MEETING HERE AND THEN MAYBE THE FOLLOWING QUARTERLY MEETING WE WERE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY SOMEWHERE.

SO I THINK WHAT STAFF CAN DO IS PREPARE A MEMO.

UM, WE'LL ASK THE THE CLERK, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE TO DECIDE ON OUR NEXT ACTUAL DATE NOW, I BELIEVE TO AT LEAST START.

UM, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S GONNA BE JULY 10TH AT 5:00 PM HERE IN THE CHAMBERS UNTIL

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IT'S OTHERWISE CHANGED.

UM, BUT WE'LL PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER THAT WILL ALSO, UH, GET A LIST OF DIFFERENT, UH, COMMUNITY AREA CENTERS, SCHOOLS OR WHATNOT WHERE EITHER COUNCIL OR OTHER, UH, COMMITTEES HAVE MET THAT WORKS FOR TS, UH, WHAT THEY NEED AND BRING THAT FORWARD AND WE CAN KIND OF PRIORITIZE THEM OF HOW WE WANNA HIT 'EM.

UM, AND THEN EVENTUALLY PROBABLY GET TO ALL OF THEM THROUGHOUT THE WORK WE'RE DOING.

IF I MAY CHAIR, I DO KNOW THERE IS ONE CONFLICT ON JULY 10TH THE ETHICS COMMISSION MEETS AND THEY USUALLY BOOK THE CHAMBERS FROM ROUND TWO TO SIX, THE SAME MEETING THAT WAS JUST PRIOR TO THIS.

UM, SO WEDNESDAY THE 10TH AT 5:00 PM MIGHT BE TOUGH SIX COULD PROBABLY WORK LIKE WE DID TODAY.

AND I COULD ALSO ADD THAT WE CAN VOTE ON NOW FOR SIX AND THEN LOOK FOR AN ALTERNATE LOCATION IF NECESSARY.

SINCE WE HAVE TIME, THERE'LL BE A FEW MONTHS.

SOUNDS GOOD.

NEED A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

6:00 PM JULY 10TH HERE.

RECEIPT.

I'LL SECOND.

THANK YOU ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU.

OH, IF WE COULD JUST QUICKLY PUBLIC COMMENT.

PUBLIC COMMENT.

HANG ON SECOND SECOND.

ANYBODY THEN MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM ON THE FUTURE DATES? OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

MOTION CARRIES.

ALRIGHT, UH, MR. CLERK, COULD YOU PLEASE READ THE NEXT ITEM? OUR NEXT ITEM IS GENERAL PUBLIC

[PUBLIC COMMENT Opportunity to address the Police Oversight Commission on non-agenda items. Each speaker is limited to three minutes to make their comments unless extended by the Chair.]

COMMENT.

ALRIGHT, SO OPPORTUNITY WILL NOW BE GIVEN TO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.

A THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT WILL BE GIVEN TO EACH PERSON TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION AND IF THERE'S ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM.

ALRIGHT MA'AM? YES SIR.

JUST QUICK TO IT.

UH, IF YOU COULD PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.

YES, UH, MY NAME IS ESTHER GONU AND I'M WITH COUNCIL MEMBER AT AUSTIN'S OFFICE.

SO I JUST WANTED TO WELCOME YOU ALL AND ALSO SAY THANK YOU ON HIS BEHALF.

HE'S CURRENTLY ON HIS WAY OUT OF TOWN SO HE IS ON A FLIGHT SO HE COULDN'T MAKE IT.

UM, SO HE DOES SEND HIS DEEPEST REGARD.

UM, REGRETS AND CONGRATULATES Y'ALL.

UM, THIS IS SORT OF A MAKING THAT HAS BEEN COMING ALONG FOR A WHILE AND I KNOW A LOT OF THE UM, CITY MANAGEMENT AS WELL AS OUR COUNCIL, OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS SPOKE A LOT ABOUT THIS.

UM, SO HE JUST WANTS TO CONGRATULATE YOU, UM, CHAIR, PARKINS DIRECTOR, COURAGE AND EVERYONE ELSE, UM, ON THE COMMISSION, UM, FOR THE WORK AHEAD.

THE IMPORTANT WORK AHEAD.

UM, IT BELIEVES IT'S A HEAVY SHOULDERS BUT IT BELIEVES THAT YOU ALL ARE CAPABLE AND YOU HAVE AS FULL SUPPORT AS WELL AS UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S WISHING YOU SUCCESS.

SO, UM, IF YOU NEED ANY, ANYTHING FROM OUR OFFICE, LET US KNOW.

AND YEAH, JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APOLOGIES FOR NOT CALLING YOU UP WITH THE GROUP.

NO, YOU'RE GOOD.

YOU'RE GOOD.

I THOUGHT YOU WERE HERE HANGING OUT.

.

OH, YOU'RE GOOD.

THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT.

UH, THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO ADDRESS, UH, THE COMMISSION THIS EVENING.

UM, AT THIS TIME YOU'RE WELCOME TO STAY FOR THE REMAINING MEETING IF YOU'D LIKE, OR UM, YOU'RE FREE TO LEAVE IF YOU WANT.

.

ALRIGHT.

UM, OKAY, SO MR. CLERK, IF, UH, YOU COULD READ THE NEXT ITEM.

SO OUR NEXT ITEM IS, UH,

[ANNOUNCEMENTS]

ANNOUNCEMENTS.

IF ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS THEY'D LIKE TO MAKE, THEY CAN MAKE AEM AT THIS TIME.

NO THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONERS, DID YOU HAVE ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS AT ALL? I DON'T HAVE ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS BUT I DO JUST WANT TO GO ON THE RECORD TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE DIRECTOR AND I, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE COUNCIL, THE STAFF, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE POLICE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION, ALL BEING HERE.

UM, IT'S PRETTY AMAZING.

UH, IT KIND OF OVERWHELMS NOW THE GRAVITY OF THIS COMMISSION AND THE WORK YOU'RE GONNA BE DOING, DIRECTOR AND PATRICK AND ANITA.

SO, UM, BUT, BUT I THINK IT WAS VERY NICE OF THEM TO TAKE THE TIME TO BE HERE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THIS COMMISSION AND TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE WORK THAT'S GONNA, UM, NEED TO BE DONE.

BUT, BUT I DO SEE IT AS A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT AND IT'S JUST REALLY NICE TO SEE THAT EVERYBODY WE'RE STARTING OFF ON THE RIGHT FOOT.

I THINK.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

END OF THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE AS ALWAYS.

YOU GUYS DO A GREAT JOB JOE.

THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND I WILL AT LEAST MENTION WHILE I HAVE YOU ALL HERE, UM, THE ATTENDANCE THAT YOU SEE RIGHT NOW OUTSIDE OF THE PEOPLE WHO CAME TO GIVE YOU THE WELCOME IS NOT INDICATIVE OF THE WORK THAT'S GONNA BE MOVING FORWARD.

UM, SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW I HAVE A STAFF OF ONE, LIKE I SAID, I GOT JOSE ON MONDAY, SO THERE WILL BE A LOT MORE OF A PUSH AND AN EFFORT TO GET THE COMMUNITY INVOLVED WITH THE WORK OF THE COMMISSION MOVING FORWARD.

UM,

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I KNEW THAT THE FIRST FEW MEETINGS WERE GONNA BE A LOT OF THE FOUNDATION 'CAUSE WE'RE BUILDING SOMETHING FROM SCRATCH.

BUT ONCE WE GET INTO THE SUBSTANTIVE WORK, UM, THERE WILL BE A LOT OF OUTREACH AND JUST TO GET THE ENGAGEMENT AND THE INPUT THAT'S NECESSARY TO ALLOW YOU TO MAKE INFORMATIVE DECISIONS AS YOU'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH SOME OF THE THINGS WE'RE GONNA BRING TO YOU.

SO I JUST, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M APPRECIATIVE OF THE WORK YOU'RE DOING AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU DON'T GET DISCOURAGED AT ALL, UM, ABOUT THE TIMEFRAME 'CAUSE IT IS KIND OF STARTING FROM SCRATCH AND IT, IT WAS A, A BIG LIFT.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET ALL THE THINGS IN PLACE, BUT IT WILL BE SUCCESSFUL.

I'M CONFIDENT IN THAT.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU EVERYBODY.

UM, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? NO.

ALRIGHT.

SEE NONE.

IF THERE'S NO OBJECTION, I'D DECLARE THIS MEETING ADJOURNED.