* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] YEAH, WE'RE GOOD. IT SAYS RECORD. UH, COMMISSIONER ICK. HERE, COLEMAN. HERE. MR. ? HERE. COMMISSIONER HERE. COMMISSIONER WHITE. HERE. VICE CHAIR PAUL. HERE. CHAIR MORALES. CHAIR MORALES IS EXCUSED. UM, WE WILL MOVE TO THE AGENDA. UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE. RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR THE ETHICS COMMISSION MEETING OF WEDNESDAY, MARCH 13TH, 2024. DO I HAVE A MOTION? VOTE SECOND. ANY COMMENTS? AND VICE CHAIR FOR THE RECORD, DO YOU MIND CALLING OUT THE MOTION OR SECOND? OH, UH, MOVED BY COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICTUS, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER WA. THANK YOU. UH, I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION REGARDING THE ISSUES WITH THE, THE TRANSCRIPTION OF THAT MEETING. MM-HMM. UM, I TRIED TO LISTEN TO IT AND THERE'S NO AUDIO EITHER THAT I, ON THE PART THAT IS THERE. I JUST GET A LITTLE, WE MIGHT CHECK THAT. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. UM, I MEAN, THERE IS THAT, THERE'S A ROUGH TRANSCRIPT WHERE THEY STARTED RECORDING THAT YOU CAN READ, BUT IT'S HARDER TO, I THINK IT'S HARDER TO UNDERSTAND FROM THAT. YEAH. THERE DEFINITELY SHOULD BE . OKAY. I MIGHT HAVE DONE SOMETHING WRONG, BUT JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION. ANY OTHER, AND IS THERE PUBLIC COMMENT, HEARING NO PUBLIC COMMENT? CAN I HAVE A VOTE? COMMISSIONER NOR AYE, MR. COLEMAN? AYE. MR. DAVID, PLEASE. AYE. MR. ? AYE. MR. WISE? AYE. VICE P*****K AYE. MOTION AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO. RECOMMENDATION TO DISCUSS POTENTIAL POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO ENHANCE TRANSPARENCY SURROUNDING THE WORK OF CHARTER COMMISSIONS AND COUNCIL ESTABLISHED ADVISORY BOARDS, COMMISSIONS AND COMMITTEES. DO I HAVE A MOTION? SO MOVED. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SHOTWELL AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER DI BENEDICTUS. UH, IS THERE, THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION FOR DISCUSSION. IS THERE ANY COMMENT, COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICTUS? UM, I'D LIKE TO, UM, IT'S RELATED TO OUR, OUR, THE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WE RECEIVED LATER TODAY. AND I KNOW THAT THIS ISSUE'S COME UP IN THE PAST AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH WHEN COMMISSIONS, UH, DO SPEAK COMMISSIONERS, I SHOULD SAY, IF THEY'RE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THEIR COMMISSION OR IF THEY'RE SPEAKING AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN. UH, I KNOW WE HAVE THAT COME UP LAST YEAR WITH THE, UM, UH, AROUND THE ELECTION TIME AND IN THE PAST. UM, AND I WANTED THAT, I, I I BELIEVE THAT THE, THE RULES ARE CLEAR THAT A COMMISSIONER SHOULD MAKE EVERY EFFORT TO MAKE CLEAR WHETHER THEY'RE SPEAKING ON THEIR, UH, ON THEIR, ON A PERSONAL LEVEL VERSUS REPRESENTING THE COMMISSION. AND I BELIEVE IF YOU'RE REP, IF YOU'RE GOING TO STATE THAT YOU'RE REPRESENTING YOUR COMMISSION, YOU NEED THE SUPPORT OF ALL YOUR COMMISSION, UH, TO, TO DO THAT. AND I KNOW IN THIS CASE, IT'S AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE IT WASN'T CLEAR. AND IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO, UH, LOOKING TO STAFF OR, UH, THIS GROUP, UH, TO REMIND COMMISSIONERS OF THAT OBLIGATION BEFORE WHEN SPEAKING IN A PUBLIC SETTING? THIS WOULD BE, UH, SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD CONSIDER AS PART OF THE ETHICS ORDINANCE. OKAY. RIGHT. AND EVEN IN THE AGENDA ITEM ABOUT, UM, CODE OF CONDUCT [00:05:01] EXPANDING A SECTION ABOUT, UM, HOW COMMISSIONERS PULLED THEMSELVES OUT IN PUBLIC MM-HMM. , UM, AND THAT THERE'S AN EXPECTATION IN THE CODE. THEY'RE CLEAR IF YOU, I THINK THERE'S, WE COULD LOOK AT THE TOTALITY OF THE ETHICS ORDINANCE IF THERE'S A BETTER PLACE FOR IT, IMMEDIATELY MY MIND GOES TO THE CODE OF CONDUCT IN THE WAY THAT YOU'RE REPRESENTING YOURSELF IN THE COMMUNITY. RIGHT, RIGHT. UM, BEING CLEAR WHEN YOU'RE SPEAKING IN YOUR PERSONAL CAPACITY VERSUS INITIAL CAPACITY. YEAH. AND THAT'S HELPFUL IF YOU COULD. UH, BUT IT DOESN'T, THAT OBLIGATION ALREADY EXIST. YES. AND I BELIEVE, I'LL HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK. I BELIEVE IT IS IN THE COMMISSIONER HANDBOOK, OR AT LEAST THAT'S WHERE I REMEMBER IN THE COMMISSIONER HANDBOOK. AND THAT'S WHERE, UH, I THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL. UH, WE WILL STILL WORK TO DO THE WORK. UH, WE'RE DEVELOPING THE, THE ORDINANCE. UH, WE WANT MORE TRANSPARENCY. BUT IN THIS PERFECT EXAMPLE, UM, YOU KNOW, IF I LOOKED AT SOME OF THE MATERIALS, THE VIDEO, ET CETERA, UH, THIS MIGHT BE A GREAT TIME TO REMIND, UM, AND I'LL DEFER TO THE, THE VICE CHAIR IF, UH, THERE'S A PARTICULAR WAY THAT WE COULD DO THAT OR EDUCATION. THERE WAS SOMETHING IN THE HANDBOOK WASN'T THERE, THAT WE RELIED ON LAST YEAR. YEAH, I CAN DOUBLE CHECK, BUT I KNOW, I KNOW THAT IT'S BEEN A MINUTE SINCE I'VE LOOKED AT THE COMMISSION HANDBOOK. THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER PLACE THAT COMMISSION HANDBOOK IS MANAGED BY THE CLERK'S OFFICE. SO IT WOULD BE A REQUEST TO MONIQUE'S OFFICE TO MAKE SOMETHING MORE CLEAR. UM, IF IT'S A CONSISTENT PROBLEM WITH THE COMMISSIONS, UH, THAT'S A SPACE WHERE LIKE MAYBE A MEMO OR TRAINING, YOU KNOW, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, HEATHER AND I HAVE REALIZED THAT THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME CONFUSION BETWEEN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 81 TO THREE TRAINING AND THE CITY ETHICS ETHICS TRAINING. MM-HMM. . SO HEATHER MADE THIS VERY CUTE INFOGRAPHIC THAT'S GONNA GO OUT TO EVERYBODY IN FUN BRIGHT COLORS THAT MAKES IT CLEAR WHAT THE DIFFERENCES ARE BETWEEN THE TWO. SO AN EDUCATIONAL TOOL LIKE THAT MIGHT BE BENEFICIAL THAT WE CAN CIRCULATE TO THE COMMISSIONS TO MAKE CLEAR SO THAT ALL COMMISSIONS ARE ON THE SAME PAGE. UM, AND NOT HAVING TO ADDRESS IT ON AN AD HOC BASIS. COMMISSIONER WISE, CAN YOU, YEAH, I WAS LOOKING, UM, I THOUGHT IT ACTUALLY MIGHT BE IN, IN, FOR US. I THINK IT, IT MIGHT BE IN THE BYLAWS AND IT DESCRIBES WHAT THE DUTIES OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE ARE BECAUSE I THINK, BUT MAYBE IT ONLY SAYS IT IN TERMS OF THE CHAIR BEING THE PERSON THAT'S AUTHORIZED TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE COMMISSION. MAYBE I WAS THINKING OF IT FROM A HANDBOOK, BUT, UM, I JUST TRIED TO PULL UP THE, THE BYLAWS I MIGHT HAVE FOUND ON MY MECHANISM . UM, SO THAT'S POSSIBLE. OKAY. WELL, I, I THINK, WELL, YOUR BYLAWS ARE SPECIFIC TO YOU, RIGHT? AND THERE, I THINK THERE'S A HODGEPODGE OF BYLAWS AND WHATEVER THOSE REGULATIONS ARE FOR THE, BUT, BUT I THINK, FOR EXAMPLE, I THINK THE, UM, CITY ATTORNEY WHO DRAFTED OUR BYLAWS, SO THAT'S ONE CENTRAL PLACE WHERE BYLAWS, I ASSUME ARE COMING FOR ALL THE COMMISSIONERS, IF, IF THAT'S WHERE IT IS. BUT, BUT I ALSO THINK IN, ESPECIALLY, WE'RE COMING UP ON, UM, ELECTIONS AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND BALLOT MEASURES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE WORTHWHILE FOR THERE TO BE A MEMO THAT GOES OUT TO ALL, UH, COMMISSIONERS, PEOPLE THAT MIGHT BE SPEAKING THAT, THAT THEY MUST MAKE IT CLEAR THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR AND CITE WHATEVER RULES THAT WE DO HAVE EXISTING, UM, THAT WOULD APPLY OR PRINCIPLES THAT WE HAVE THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD, WOULD APPLY. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A VERY WORTHWHILE THING FOR US TO DO. AND, YOU KNOW, SOONER THAN SOONER THAN LATER, JUST BECAUSE OF THE, THE TIMELINESS OF THIS. AND THEN IT ALSO COULD BE INCORP. WE SHOULD GO THROUGH THINGS AND MAKE SURE THAT IT IS, YOU KNOW, PROPERLY INCORPORATED INTO OUR, UM, EDUCATION MATERIALS AND, AND RULES AND WHAT BYLAWS, WHEREVER IT, WHEREVER IT BELONGS. BUT IT'S IMPORTANT. IT'S, IT IS A VERY IMPORTANT DISTINCTION AND IT'S, IT'S EASY TO FORGET IT SOMETIMES, BUT, UM, IT IS IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE ON COMMISSIONS TO, YOU KNOW, STAY IN THEIR LANE. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD COME FROM THE COMMISSION OR THE ETHICS OFFICER? WHAT WOULD BE MOST APPROPRIATE? WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT PROCEDURALLY HOW WE WOULD GO ABOUT THAT. I, I ACTUALLY, IF IT IS A MATTER OF OPINION, I, I THINK IT COULD COME FROM THE COMMISSION. JUST AS A GENTLE [00:10:01] REMINDER SINCE I, I, I THINK I FOUND IT IN THE COMMISSION HANDBOOK. MM-HMM. COMMISSIONER'S HANDBOOK. AND, UH, IT WOULD BE, IT IS WHAT IT IS, BUT IT IS A REMINDER THAT THIS DOES CURRENTLY EXIST. WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA DO MORE EDUCATION, ET CETERA, BUT, UM, THAT PEOPLE NEED TO BE CLEAR, CRYSTAL CLEAR. SURE. UM, SO I, UH, FIRST OF ALL, MY COMMENTS HERE ARE, UM, IT'S NOT IN ANY WAY ABOUT MY POSITION ON THE ISSUES, UH, BUT I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER DAVID DICTUS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE NEEDS TO BE, UH, THAT WE NEED TO BE ADDRESSING THIS, UH, THIS ISSUE. ESPECIALLY, NO, IT, IT WAS NOT CLEAR THAT THE INDIVIDUAL STATED THAT THEY WERE, UH, ACTING ON BEHALF OF THEIR COMMISSION. I BELIEVE THAT COULD BE ON BEHALF OF THEIR COMMISSION IF THERE'S A MAJORITY VOTE ON THAT COMMISSION. I DON'T KNOW IF IT NEEDS TO BE ALL EVERYONE. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF THAT ACTUALLY DID HAPPEN AND IF THAT COMMISSION DID PROVIDE THAT AUTHORIZATION. UH, NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, UM, I DEFINITELY AGREE IT SHOULD BE PART OF THE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT AS PART OF THE ORDINANCE, BUT MAYBE NOT AS PART OF CHAPTER TWO, THE CODE, ONLY BECAUSE I THINK THE CODE KIND OF OPERATES AT A HIGHER LEVEL. AND I'D LIKE TO SEE, I THINK THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT'S GETTING INTO MORE TECHNICALITIES. AND THEN LASTLY, THE ONLY CASE WHERE I KIND OF DISAGREE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER DAVID INVICTUS, IS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT ACTUALLY IF, IF WE COULD DO IT FROM THE ETHICS OFFICER. I LIKE THE IDEA OF IT COMING FROM THE COMMISSION. 'CAUSE IT HAD, IT MAY KIND OF BE PERCEIVED AS HAVING MORE, MORE OF A OFFICIAL CAPACITY. BUT I ALSO LIKE THE IDEA OF USING AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY KIND OF GET THE ETHICS OFFICER OUT THERE AND ACTUALLY DOING THINGS ALONG THAT THIS LINE. SO THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY REASON FOR WHY IT SHOULD COME FROM THE ETHICS OFFICER AS OPPOSED TO THE COMMISSION IS JUST GIVING, YOU KNOW, GETTING PEOPLE USED TO THE FACT THAT THE ETHICS OFFICER CAN AND WILL DO THIS, AND AS AUTHORIZED IF NECESSARY BY THIS COMMISSION. I WONDER, COULD WE PUT THIS ON, I MEAN, I CAN BRING IT UP AGAIN AT THE END OF THE MEETING, BUT COULD WE PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT MONTH IN A FORMAT THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO MAKE A, UM, A RECOMMENDATION ON THE, ON THE TOPIC TO OUR STAFF OR TO, OR WHATEVER FORMAT WE DECIDE IT SHOULD BE? IT SHOULD BE DONE BECAUSE WE CAN'T DO IT RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? WE CAN'T, IS THAT RIGHT, TAYLOR? WE, WE HAVE TO, WE'D HAVE TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA. THIS AGENDA IS TO DISCUSS POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS. THIS IS POSSIBLY ONE RECOMMENDATION. MM-HMM. , DO WE NEED, UH, A NEW AGENDA ITEM TO, UH, VOTE ON A SPECIFIC POLICY RECOMMENDATION? I THINK THAT YOU COULD AMEND THE MOTION. WELL, SO YOU WANNA MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TODAY? SO I HAVE A COUPLE THINGS. ONE, I NEED TO DOUBLE CHECK WHETHER IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS BODY TO SEND THAT KIND OF COMMUNICATION TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS. UM, IT MIGHT BE MORE APPROPRIATE IN THIS CASE FOR HEATHER TO DO IT, OR FOR ME TO ASK DAWN. UM, I THINK THIS WOULD BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY PERSONALLY FOR THE ETHICS OFFICE TO TAKE THE LEAD AND OWNERSHIP IN A SPACE WHERE MY OFFICE TYPICALLY WOULD. UM, WELL, LAST YEAR WE DID TAKE A VOTE AND WE DID SEND A COMMUNICATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL ABOUT INDIVIDUALS SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE CITY COUNCIL. MM-HMM. WITHOUT A PARENT, UH, AUTHORITY OF THE FULL COUNCIL. SO, RIGHT. YOUR AUTHORITY IS TO CITY COUNCIL. MM-HMM. THIS COMMUNICATION WOULD BE TO COMM OTHER COMMISSIONS. SO THAT'S THE ISSUE. THE ISSUE IS THAT IT WOULD BE GOING, SO IF YOU WERE MAKING THE RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL THAT YOU THINK THIS POLICY SHOULD BE ADOPTED, THAT WOULD BE ONE THING. BUT THIS TYPE OF COMMUNICATION AND EDUCATION WOULD GO TO OTHER COMMISSIONS. 'CAUSE THE PROBLEM IS WITH THE OTHER COMMISSIONS, UM, THAT'S WHY I THINK PUTTING IT IN THE ETHICS ORDINANCE WOULD BE SMART, BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE INTENTIONALLY, YOU'RE INTENTIONALLY APPLYING OR RECOMMENDING TO APPLY TO EVERYONE. MM-HMM. , UM, I DON'T, I'M HAVING A HARD TIME FINDING IT IN [00:15:01] THE COMMISSION HANDBOOK RIGHT NOW, THAT EVEN IF IT IS IN THE COMMISSION HANDBOOK, THAT'S NOT AN ENFORCEABLE POLICY. OKAY. RIGHT. SO IF WE CONSISTENTLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE COMMISSIONER WHO'S SPEAKING IN A WAY THAT LEADS THE PUBLIC TO BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE COMMISSION, AND IT'S IN THE ETHICS ORDINANCE, THERE'S, IT PUTS US IN A BETTER POSITION TO ENFORCE. RIGHT? NOT THAT WE COULDN'T ENFORCE IN THIS CASE, BUT WHERE THERE'S A CLEAN RULE, UM, IT MAKES IT EASIER TO POINT TO, UH, TO ENFORCE IT. UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO DO THAT. UM, THE WAY THIS IS WORDED, I THINK THAT WE WOULD NEED TO COME BACK, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE OPTIONS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO US, AND THEN IF YOU'RE GOING TO FINALIZE RECOMMENDATION, LET'S DO IT AT THE NEXT MEETING, BECAUSE I DON'T, I DON'T WANT THE PUBLIC TO BE DECEIVED IN THE SENSE THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE POTENTIAL, AND THEN YOU'RE ACTUALLY MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TODAY THAT YES. THAT, THAT MAKES COMMISSIONER WISE YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME. UM, COMPLETELY. AND, BUT I ALSO THINK BEFORE THEN, OR BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, WE DO NEED TO, SOMEBODY NEEDS TO DO THE WORK TO FIGURE OUT WHAT ALREADY IS IN THE RULES THAT ARE OUT THERE. SO WE KNOW WHETHER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IF WE'RE JUST REPEATING, IF THIS COMMISSION IS JUST REPEATING SOMETHING THAT ALREADY EXISTS AS A REMINDER, THEN THAT SEEMS TO COME UNDER THE EDUCATION AUTHORITY OF THE COMMISSION. IF WE ARE GOING, IF WE'RE DOING SOMETHING BEYOND THAT, THEN THERE MAY BE ANOTHER WAY, BUT IF, BUT WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT'S ALREADY OUT THERE. UM, JUST LIKE I'M LOOKING AT, I'M TRYING TO SKIM THE BOTTLE LESSON. I DON'T, I THINK I WAS MISTAKEN. I DON'T THINK IT'S IN HERE EITHER, BUT I DO KNOW I'VE SEEN IT SOMEWHERE. SO WE JUST, NOBODY CAN IDENTIFY IT YET. SO WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO DO THE RESEARCH BEFORE WE FIGURE OUT WHAT'S THE BEST WAY FOR US TO, UM, TO DO IT. SO, BUT I THINK IT SHOULD BE PUT ON THE AGENDA IN A WAY THAT WOULD ALLOW ACTION. SO WE HAVE THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED TO MAKE THE DECISION. I WOULD PROPOSE POSSIBLY USING THE AD HOC COMMITTEE OF ON POLICY, WHICH IS ALREADY DEALING WITH THE TRANS ETHICS AND TRANSPARENCY ORDINANCE TO POSSIBLY TAKE UP THE WORK TO FIGURE OUT WHERE IT IS AND EXISTING RULES, AND ALSO WHAT PROPOSED RULE WOULD BE. BUT DOES THAT, AND WE COULD DO THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING, BUT THE QUESTION IS, COULD WE IN THE MEANTIME, AUTHORIZE THE ETHICS OFFICER TO DO SOMETHING, EVEN IF IT'S ONLY, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE GOOD PRACTICE ABSENT THE REQUIREMENT, IT WOULD STILL BE GOOD PRACTICE THAT YOU DON'T DO THIS. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT TOO MUCH TIME GOING BY. SO BETWEEN THE ISSUES BEING RAISED, I CAN TELL YOU THAT COMMISSIONER, WHEN IT'S BEEN REPORTED TO MY OFFICE, THAT A COMMISSIONER IS SPEAKING OUT OF TURN HAS BEEN ADDRESSED WITH THE COMMISSIONER. CORRECT. OKAY. SO THAT'S, THAT IS NOT AN ISSUE. I THINK THE ISSUE IS ON A MORE GLOBAL SCALE, RIGHT? WHERE YOU HAVE COMMISSIONERS A CULTURE OF COMMISSIONERS, POTENTIALLY, THAT ARE SPEAKING IN THEIR PERSONAL CAPACITY IN LOOKING AT YOUR DUTIES. ONE OF THEM IS TO ADVOCATE UNDERSTANDING OF THE CHARTER CITY ORDINANCES AND THE ROLES OF ELECTED AND OTHER PUBLIC OFFICIALS. SO WHAT YOU COULD DO IS, I THINK WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, FIRST OF ALL. AND THEN IF THERE ISN'T A POLICY IN PLACE, HAVING SOMETHING CLEAR IN PLACE, BECAUSE I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE. MAYBE WHAT WE COULD DO IS A REPORT BACK ON WHAT THE POLICIES ARE, AND THEN YOU COULD MAKE A DECISION AT THE NEXT MEETING ON WHAT WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE COURSE OF ACTION. IF THERE IS OR IS NOT A CLEAR POLICY OR GUIDEBOOK OR SOME KIND OF WRITTEN DOCUMENT. DO I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION IN ADVANCE OF THE MEETING SO THAT WHEN WE PREPARE THE AGENDA, WE CAN PUT AN ACTIONABLE ITEM ON THE AGENDA? YES. YES. AND WE CAN WORK WITH THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR TO CREATE AN AGENDA ITEM THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. THAT ONE, IT'S KIND OF FUNKY BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO ASSUME WHAT THE ACTION IS, BUT, UH, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S CONSENSUS IN CREATING SOME KIND OF A POLICY SURROUNDING THIS, AND WE COULD DRAFT LANGUAGE RELATED TO THAT. AND THEN, UM, STAFF AND I CAN LOOK INTO WHAT CURRENT POLICIES EXIST. WOULD THERE BE THE OPTION TO KIND OF PUSH IT FORWARD BY WORKING WITH THE EXISTING AD HOC COMMITTEE ON POLICIES? OR IT NEEDS TO BE SEPARATE COMING INTO THE FULL COMMISSION FIRST? I [00:20:01] THINK YOU COULD REFER THIS TO THE, THAT, THAT AD HOC TO COME BACK WITH RECOMMENDATIONS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT, IT IS ABOUT TODAY, IS DISCUSSING THE POTENTIAL FOR RECOMMENDATIONS. UM, I I DON'T WANNA ASSUME THOUGH THAT, THAT, THAT THE ORDINANCE IS THE CORRECT ANSWER. NO. YEAH. SO THAT, THAT'S THE THING IS YOU'RE WORKING ON THE ORDINANCE, AND THEN WE ALSO, THERE'S A LOT OF CHAPTERS THAT WE HAVE TO GET THROUGH. SO, UM, SO IT MIGHT BE, IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE BETTER. AND MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE LET'S COLLECT THE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT EXISTS SO THAT YOU CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AND THEN RESPOND ACCORDINGLY TO THE NEXT MEETING. THEN THE RECOMMENDATION WILL BE PREPARED BY THE AD HOC ON THE ORDINANCE. I MEAN, RECOMMENDATION IN THE SENSE OF LIKE THE AGENDA ITEM. MY APOLOGIES. OKAY. YEAH. BUT THE AD HOC ON THE ORDINANCE WILL ACTUALLY DRAFT ASKED. SO IF THAT'S WHAT IS THE WILL, OH, WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE THE VOTE AND THEN, YEAH. OKAY. I WOULD WAIT AND SEE. AND THEN IN THAT CASE, I THINK YOU'D HAVE TO EXPAND WHAT THE AD HOC WAS WORKING ABOUT ON AND WOULD BE CLEAR. UH, AND IT, IT DEPENDS ON HOW IT SHAKES OUT, RIGHT? IF IT IS JUST, IT'S A RECOMMENDATION ON HOW THESE THINGS ARE HANDLED. I JUST DON'T, I'M NOT SURE WE HAVE A HARD AND FAST WRITTEN POLICY THAT'S CLEAR. IT IS MORE OF, I THINK LIKE WITH THIS ISSUE, SOMETIMES IT IS READING BETWEEN THE LINES OF LIKE, YOU DON'T HAVE AUTHORITY TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE COMMISSION. IF THE COMMISSION HASN'T GRANTED YOU THAT AUTHORITY, THEN MAYBE IT NEEDS TO BE SPELLED OUT MORE CLEARLY FOR COMMISSIONERS. IF THIS IS A PROBLEM, WHAT I'M HEARING IS RESEARCH AT THAT TIME, THEN WE WILL LOOK AT IT. I, BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE, UM, I THINK COMMISSIONER SHOTWELL WOULD AGREE WITH ME THAT, UH, MUCH OF THIS COULD BE ALREADY CONTEMPLATED IN THE, IN THE ORDINANCE, UM, ALREADY THERE. OR IF NOT, WE CAN, RESEARCH WILL COME, THE VICE CHAIR AND CHAIR WILL DRAFT AN AGENDA ITEM. WE'LL VOTE AT THE NEXT MEETING, AND THEN SOMETHING WILL BE DRAFTED. AND I THINK IT'S GREAT NEWS THAT COMMISSIONERS ARE SPOKEN TO, BUT THAT WAS SOMETHING I DID NOT KNOW. THAT'S GREAT. THAT IT'S ALL DEALT WITH ON TIME AND BASIS. YEAH. THAT'S WONDERFUL. WE'RE, MY OFFICE IS QUITE RESPONSIVE TO NIPPING THAT IN THE BUD. REALLY GOOD. UM, YES. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE, YOU'RE ALSO RECEPTIVE TO HAVING THE ETHICS OFFICER THAT, THAT REACH OUT TO THE COMMISSION OR THE COMM THE INDIVIDUAL. UM, I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO TALK ABOUT. SO TO DATE, THE ETHICS OFFICE HAS BEEN MORE OF AN EDUCATIONAL SPACE. UM, I'M NOT SURE THAT'S A DECISION THAT I COULD MAKE. OKAY. WHEN WE'RE HAVING LEGAL ISSUES WITH THE COMMISSIONERS, MY OFFICE TYPICALLY REACHES OUT. SO I THINK, UM, IT'S A CONVERSATION WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT ME. YEAH. ANY MORE, UH, DISCUSSION ON THAT SPECIFIC ISSUE? UM, ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO, OTHER POTENTIAL POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS? UH, COMMISSIONER WISE, I, I HAVE A, A QUESTION AND A AND A THOUGHT. UM, I, I WENT, ONE OF THE REASONS I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THE, UM, WAS TRYING TO GET THE TRANSCRIPT FROM THE LAST MEETING WAS BECAUSE I WAS TRYING TO REMEMBER WHAT WE DID ABOUT THIS THE LAST TIME. AND I THOUGHT THAT IT SAID SOMETHING IN THERE, FROM WHAT I COULD READ, THAT WE WERE, WE ASKED A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT WAS ALREADY IN, UM, EXISTENCE IN TERMS OF TRANSPARENCY. AND, AND THE, THE MINUTE SEEMED TO REFLECT THAT WE HAD A DISCUSSION. AND I THINK TAYLOR WAS INVOLVED. IT'S HARD TO TELL WHO'S SPEAKING IN THE TRANSCRIPT, BUT A LOT ABOUT WHAT WAS SUBJECT TO THE BROWN ACT AND THINGS LIKE THAT. MAYBE I'M MIXING UP ITEMS, UM, BASED ON WHAT I WAS ABLE TO SEE. UH, BUT WHEN I READ THIS AGENDA ITEM, ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK ABOUT IS, WELL, WHAT ABOUT TRANSPARENCY OF THE COUNCIL ITSELF? AND THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH IN THE LOBBYING SUBCOMMITTEE WHEN WE'VE THOUGHT ABOUT, UM, ASKING FOR THEM TO REPORT, UM, WHO, WHO THEY, WHO THEY MEET WITH AND WHICH IS DONE IN A FEW JURISDICTIONS, BUT, UM, BUT NOT IN, IN, IN OUR CITY. AND IT OCCURRED TO ME THAT, THAT THAT DISCUSSION COULD ALSO FALL UNDER THIS. AND I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT BECAUSE I'M ALREADY WORKING ON THAT IDEA IN THE, IN THE LOBBYING SUBCOMMITTEE. BUT IT MIGHT BE, [00:25:01] I'M THINKING ABOUT THIS COMMISSION'S POLICY OF DISCLOSING EXTERNAL COMMUNICATIONS. AND WHEN I READ THIS, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK ABOUT IS THAT WE WANNA RECOMMEND THAT ALL COMMISSION COMMISSIONS DO, AND COMMITTEES AND, AND THE COUNCIL THAT THEY DISCLOSE THEIR EXTERNAL, UH, COMMUNICATIONS. SO, I MEAN, THAT'S A LOT MORE THAN WE COULD HANDLE IN THIS MEETING FOR SURE. BUT THAT'S ONE OF MY THOUGHTS. UM, SHOULD WE GO HAVE A SEPARATE AGENDA ITEM IN THE FUTURE ON THAT SPECIFIC ISSUE? I KNOW THAT THE LOBBY IS LOOKING AT, UH, DISCLOSURE OF COMMUNICATIONS, BUT THAT I DON'T BELIEVE NECESSARILY REACHES ALL OTHER COMMISSIONS OR ADVISORY BOARDS. SO, UM, IN THE ETHICS ORDINANCE, THERE IS A CHAPTER ON EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS. YOU COULD, IF, IF IT IS NOT TIME SENSITIVE AS A BODY, YOU COULD WAIT UNTIL THE AD HOC BRINGS THAT CHAPTER FORWARD TO PRESENT. OH, I SEE. RED LINE. RIGHT. AND EXPANDING WHATEVER THEY RECOMMEND OR ADDING, TAKING AWAY RIGHT. IN THAT DIRECTION. SO THAT WOULD BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU. NOT THAT WAY. IT'S NOT ADDING TO YOUR WORKLOAD, BUT, UM, IN THE SAME STREAM. AND WE AS A COMMISSION RECOMMEND THAT THE AD HOC ON THE UPDATED ORDINANCE LOOK AT THAT ISSUE AS PART OF THEIR REVIEW. YEAH. I THINK JUST MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A CONSENSUS THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT THEM TO EXPLORE. WOULD THAT ALSO INCLUDE, I BELIEVE THE EX PARTE ORDINANCE IS DOING WITH A JUDICATORY AND QUASI ADJUDICATORY MATTERS? WOULD THAT BE ALSO EXPANDING IT TO INCLUDE THINGS WHICH I BELIEVE IS SUCH AS THIS, THAT ARE NOT AT JUDICATORY OR QUASI JUDICATORY? RIGHT. SO, SO WE WOULD EXPAND, YEAH. SO YOU WOULD EXPAND THE SCOPE OF WHAT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN TO COVER MORE THAN JUST THOSE SITUATIONS. UM, AND WE COULD WORK THROUGH WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, BUT THERE'S NO REASON THERE COULDN'T BE ADDITIONAL TRANSPARENCY SURROUNDING CONTEXTS THAT ARE MADE GREAT. BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE LOBBY ORDINANCE IS, IS TRANSPARENCY SURROUNDING CONTEXT. YES. ABOUT AGENDA ITEMS. DO I HAVE ANY OTHER INPUT ON THIS SUBJECT FROM OTHER COMMISSIONERS? UH, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER POTENTIAL POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT OTHER COMMISSIONERS WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS, RAISE, AND DISCUSS? DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS AGENDA? EITHER? I THINK WE'RE READY FOR A VOTE ON THE RECOMMENDATION TO DISCUSS POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH I, I THINK THAT YOU WOULD NEED IN THIS CASE. AND MY HOLD ON. AMEND AN AMENDED MOTION. SORRY. UH, AMENDED MOTION. BECAUSE WHAT MY UNDERSTANDING IS, IS THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR A REPORT BACK FROM STAFF AND EXISTING POLICIES RELATED TO COMMISSIONERS SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE COMMISSION VERSUS IN THEIR PERSONAL CAPACITY. AND THEN YOU'RE ASKING FOR THE AD HOC UPDATED POLICIES, UH, TO LOOK AT EXPANDING THE EX PARTE REGULATIONS AS A PART OF THEIR, UH, WORK ON THE ETHICS ORDINANCE TO INCLUDE A CONTACT POLICY SIMILAR TO WHAT THE ETHICS COMMISSION HAS ADOPTED, WAS MY UNDERSTANDING. SO THE AMENDMENT ON THIS IS, UH, RECOMMENDATION TO DISCUSS THE POTENTIAL POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS TO ENHANCE TRANSPARENCY, UH, TO INCLUDE A REPORT BACK FROM STAFF ON, UH, POLICIES OR EXISTING MATERIALS RELATING TO COMMISSIONERS AND ADVISORY BOARD, UH, COMMUNICATIONS AND IDENTIFICATION OF, UH, WHETHER THE PERSON IS SPEAKING ON THEIR OWN BEHALF OR ON BEHALF OF THE, UH, ENTITY. AND ALSO, UM, TO HAVE THE AD HOC COMMITTEE [00:30:01] ON UPDATED POLICIES TO CONSIDER INCLUSION OF A PROVISION ON CONTACT, UH, EX PARTE CONTACTS AT THE COMMISSIONER AND, UH, ADVISORY BOARD LEVEL. DO I GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL PEOPLE WHO MOVE THE MOTION? UM, COMMISSIONER SHOTWELL, I'M AMENDED. I'M AMENABLE TO THE, UH, MOTION BE AMENDED AS STATED. . COMMISSIONER, THIS, COMMISSIONER WISE, DO YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENT? NO. NO. I, I, I SECOND. AND WILL YOU TAKE YOUR COMMISSIONER? NORBIT? AYE. COMMISSIONER? UH, COMMISSIONER? AYE. MR. AYE, MR. WISE? AYE. VICE AYE. MOTION GRACE. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE, RECOMMENDATION TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO THE AD HOC COMMITTEE ON UPDATED POLICIES REGARDING THE DRAFT ETHICS ORDINANCE PROPOSED TO DAVE, DO I HAVE A MOTION? SO, SECOND DISCUSSION. UM, I, SO I BELIEVE THAT, UM, UH, WE'RE RECORDING BACK ON BEHALF OR INTRODUCING THIS ITEM ON BEHALF OF THE AD HOC. SO AT THE PRIOR LAST MONTH'S ETHICS COMMISSION MEETING, WE PROVIDED, UH, TWO CHAPTERS OF THE DRAFT ETHICS AND GOOD GOVERNMENT ACT. UH, ONE WERE THE GENERAL PROVISIONS IN CHAPTER 4.01 AND THE, UH, WHICH CONCLUDED DEFINITIONS THAT WE HAD ESTABLISHED AT THAT POINT IN TIME. IN ADDITION TO CHAPTER 4.02, WHICH WAS BASICALLY LIFTING AND PUTTING INTO THE DRAFT ORDINANCE, THE ETHICS CODE THAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY ADOPTED, AND THAT THE CITY WAS ACTUALLY ADOPTED. THERE WERE TWO MODIFICATIONS OR CONDITIONS THAT WERE PUT INTO THE DRAFT COORDINATES. UM, ONE I BELIEVE WAS SECTION 4.01050 WITH REGARD TO REQUIREMENT OF, UH, TO TAKE ETHICS AND OTHER MANDATORY TRAININGS. AND THEN WE ALSO HAD, THOSE WERE HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW ON THE MATERIALS IN THE AGENDA PACKET, IN ADDITION TO INCLUSION OF, UH, IN SECTION AND, UH, 4.01, 100, UH, WHICH IS THE ENFORCEMENT SECTION, UH, INCLUSION OF SUBSECTION I, PENALTIES FOR VIOLATIONS INVOLVING CLOSE PERSONAL RELATIONS, WHICH WERE ADDED INTO, UH, WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY DISTRIBUTED AT THE LAST MEETING. AND I THINK NOW WAS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR, UH, WELCOMING ANNIE COMMENTS FROM OTHER, FROM THE REMAINING REMAINING MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION ON THE DRAFT, UH, ORDINANCE THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED THUS FAR. ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK FIRST? I, I DO HAVE A COMMENT. UH, AND IT RELATES IN PART TO THE DEFINITIONS AS THEY'RE THEN APPLIED BOTH IN THIS SECTION AND IN THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST SECTION. UM, THERE'S, UH, THREE DIFFERENT WAYS IN WHICH WE TALK ABOUT FAMILY. UH, THE, THERE'S THE, THE DRAFT ORDINANCE, HE, THE TERM IMMEDIATE FAMILY, AND IT USES THE TERM CLOSE RELATION, AND IT USES THE TERM RELATIVE. UM, AND RELATIVE IS VERY BROAD. UH, I BELIEVE THAT RELATIVE WAS USED PREVIOUSLY WHEN TALKING ABOUT HIRING MEMBERS OF YOUR FAMILY. AND SO IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO GO TO NIECES, NEPHEWS, FIRST COUSINS, ET CETERA. UM, BUT NOW WITH THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST PROVISION, WE GET INTO USING THE TERM CLOSE RELATION, WHICH THEN INCLUDES THE TERM RELATIVE, WHICH THEN INCLUDES FINANCIAL COMMITMENTS. AND I JUST WONDER IF WE'RE GOING TOO FAR. IN OTHER WORDS, ALTHOUGH SOME SORT OF KNOWLEDGE AND INTENT IS REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION [00:35:01] ON A FINANCIAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST, STILL PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BE ABSOLUTELY COMPLIANT WOULD NEED TO KNOW OF FINANCIAL INTERESTS OF FIRST COUSINS AND NIECES AND NEPHEWS, UM, WHICH AT LEAST IN MY CASE, IS A CHALLENGE. UM, AND I WONDER IF THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT THE, THE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES OF RELATION AND WHEN IT'S APPROPRIATE TO GO THAT BROADLY. I'LL START AND THEN, UH, GO WITH COMMISSIONER DAVID. THIS, UH, ONE, IT IS A TOPIC THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED AS PART OF THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST PORTION OF THE ORDINANCE 4.03. UH, AND IT SHOULD MAY BEEN THAT DISTANT COUNCIL CAN BOTH CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE ALSO TALKED ABOUT IS GOING WITH A MORE, I THOUGHT WHERE YOU WERE GOING WAS KIND OF CLARIFYING WHAT THAT DEFINITION IS, AND MAYBE DO WE NEED TO USE ALL THREE TERMS? UH, AND WE WERE SIMPLIFYING IT TO GO WITH PROPOSAL, PERSONAL RELATIONS, WHICH WOULD THEN INCLUDE RELATIVE, BUT YOU HAVE ANOTHER VALID POINT THAT I THINK THE AD HOC CAN FURTHER CONSIDER. UH, AND THAT IS THE, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE PROVISIONS EXTENDING TO SAY, FIRST COUSINS, WHICH MIGHT GET RATHER DIFFICULT, UH, IF YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO YOUR FIRST COUSINS ARE THAT HAPPEN TO BE IN THE CITY. YOU KNOW, WE CERTAINLY KNOW IF THE FIRST COUSIN WAS APPLYING FOR A JOB, BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THEIR INTEREST I USED ON THE, UH, IN OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THE AD HOC. YOU KNOW, I ONCE APPEARED BEFORE A JUDGE THAT I WAS RELATED TO. I JUST DIDN'T REALIZE UNTIL 10 YEARS LATER. AND ADMINISTRATIVE LAW JUDGMENT, I DIDN'T REALIZE UNTIL 10 YEARS LATER THAT I ACTUALLY HAD THE RELATION. SO THE FPC ACTUALLY LIMITS TO IMMEDIATE FAMILY, MEANING, UH, AN IMMEDIATE FAMILY IS DEPENDENT CHILDREN AND, UH, PARTNERS THROUGH MARRIAGE OR LEGAL, UH, LIKE DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIPS, UM, FOR FINANCIAL CONFLICTS. I GUESS I, I WOULD ASK THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE IT INTO CONSIDERATION WHETHER WE WANT TO GO SO BROADLY ON THE FINANCIAL, WELL, CURRENTLY THE FINANCIAL UNITS FOR CLOSE PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS. CORRECT. BUT CLOSE PERSONAL ALSO INCLUDES NOW RELATIVE, RELATIVE. SO CLOSE PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP IS INTIMATE PARTNERS RELATIVE TO THE FIRST COUSIN DEGREE. AND THEN, UH, BUSINESS PARTNERS, WHICH IS ANYBODY THAT YOU'RE IN A FINANCIAL RELATIONSHIP WITH IN A BUSINESS ENDEAVOR. OKAY. THANK YOU. OF COURSE. I THINK THAT WE DO TAKE, UH, WE'LL BE GOING INTO CONFERENCE INTEREST, AND I THINK THAT THIS SUBJECT WILL COME UP AGAIN, UH, AS WE GET THROUGH FURTHER DOWN THE, UM, I WANNA CALL IT ALL SUB CHAPTERS BECAUSE IT WILL APPEAR AGAIN SEVERAL TIMES. YEAH. I RAISED IT AT THIS POINT. NOW WE'RE GONNA TALK CONFLICTS OF INTEREST IN THE NEXT ITEM, BUT I RAISED IT BECAUSE IT'S PART OF THE DEFINITION. YES. WHICH IS IN THIS SECTION. I BELIEVE IT'S A VALID THING FOR THE SUB, THE AD HOC TO CONSIDER. ABSOLUTELY. THE, THE, UH, THE DEFINITIONS ARE, THERE'S SO MANY, UH, WE'RE, AND WE WILL HAVE TO PROBABLY SPEND A WHOLE SESSION JUST ON DEFINITIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THIS IS DONE, UH, IS EVERYTHING IS THOROUGH. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER WISE. YEAH. UM, I HAD A QUESTION RELATING TO THE DEFINITIONS AND THE, UM, ENFORCEMENT SECTION. UM, G WHICH IS THE PART WHERE HE WAS GETTING THIS, THE F OFFICER, THE CITY ATTORNEY, WHATEVER GETS THE LAW. UM, THIS, THE DEFINITION OF THE CITY DOES NOT SPECIFICALLY MENTION THE ELECTIVES OR THE OFFICE HOLDERS ARE ONE OF THOSE WORDS. IT SEEMS TO MENTION THESE OTHER, THESE OTHER, JUST THESE OTHER ENTITIES. AND, AND, AND IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY MENTION THE COUNCIL ITSELF, I DON'T THINK. I MEAN, IT DOESN'T IN TERMS OF, OF SAYING IF YOU'RE CREATED BY THE CITY COUNCIL, BUT IT DOESN'T SAY IT MEANS THIS COUNCIL ITSELF. SO I, I THINK THAT SHOULD BE JUST THOUGHT ABOUT. UM, BUT THEN THERE'S THESE OTHER DEFINITIONS, PUBLIC SERVANT, OFFICEHOLDER, WHATEVER. AND WHEN I GOT INTO THE PART ABOUT WHO'S GONNA DO WHAT, I WAS TRYING TO THINK ABOUT HOW THIS WOULD WORK. SO IT SAYS, FIRST, IT SAYS ALLEGED VIOLATIONS. PART ONE UNDER [00:40:01] G VIOLATIONS BY A PUBLIC SERVANT GO TO THE ETHICS OFFICER, AND THE ETHICS OFFICER REFERS THE COMPLAINT TO THE APPROPRIATE APPOINTING AUTHORITY OR THEIR DESIGNEE. SO, SO MY QUESTION WHEN I READ THAT WAS DOES THAT INCLUDE A, UM, AN ELECTED YES. WELL, SO THE ELECTED, NO, SO THE ELECTED WOULD BE, I'M SORRY. ELECTEDS ARE DEALT WITH WHAT THE CITY ATTORNEY ADDRESSES IT WITHIN. OKAY. AN OFFICE HOLDER. OKAY. WELL, IF YOU GO TO THE DEFINITION OF PUBLIC SERVANT, A PUBLIC SERVANT IS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL. SO OFFICE HOLDER IS USED INTENTIONALLY TO REFER TO ANY OF THE ELECTED OFFICIALS WHO ARE IN OFFICE CURRENTLY, PUBLIC SERVANTS USED WHEN IT APPLIES TO EVERYBODY IN THE CITY. SO APPOINTED OFFICIALS, ELECTED OFFICIALS, CITY STAFF, UH, COMMISSIONERS. OKAY. WELL, PUBLIC. OKAY. PUBLIC SERVANT SAYS, ALL IT SAYS INCLUDES ALL ELECTED OR APPOINTED OFFICIALS, INCLUDING ANY SUCH OFFICIAL ELECTED, BUT NOT YET SWORN IN. SO IF YOU HAD, IF YOU HAD A COMPLAINT AGAINST AN ELECTED OFFICIAL UNDER THIS, YOU AND YOU, IF YOU JUST WENT TO PART ONE, YOU WOULD GO TO THE ETHICS OFFICER WITH IT. THAT WOULD BE LEGITIMATE UNDER NUMBER ONE. WHEN YOU GO TO NUMBER TWO, IT SAYS IF IT'S AGAINST AN OFFICE HOLDERS, THE CITY ATTORNEY SHALL DISCUSS THE MATTER. SO ANYWAY, I, I DON'T THINK THIS IS CLEAR, AND I WASN'T SURE WHAT THE INTENT WAS ABOUT WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN IF A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC HAS A COMPLAINT AGAINST A, AN ELECTED MM-HMM. . UM, AND, AND IF IT DID COME TO THE ETHICS OFFICER, IF THE ETHICS OFFICER COMPELLED TO GO WITH IT TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, I, I, ANYWAY, I THINK THAT'S NOT CLEAR. AND, AND SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT MAYBE BE STRAIGHTENED OUT, UM, AND, AND WHO SHOULD BE RECEIVING THAT COMPLAINT, I THINK, AND DEALING WITH THE FIRST, UM, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY DESERVES A CAREFUL THOUGHT. AND, AND THEN I ALSO WONDERED IF ON THAT, ON THIS PART TOO, WHEN, IF IT IS AT THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, IT SAYS, IT, IT, IT JUMPS FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY DISCUSSING IT WITH THE PUBLIC SERVANT, AND THEN FURTHER THERE BEING A FINDING BY THE MAJORITY OF THE CITY COUNCIL. WELL, SO WHAT HAPPENS IN BETWEEN THE CITY ATTORNEY HAVING THE DISCUSSION AND IT GO, AND THE WHOLE CITY COUNCIL FINDING OUT THAT THERE'S BEEN THIS COMPLAINT THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME. SO THOSE ARE SOME OF MY CONCERNS WHEN I, WHEN I READ THIS, THAT I THINK IT WOULD MAYBE FORM ADDITIONAL ATTENTION. THANK YOU. BECAUSE IT DOES SPEAK TO THE MEANS AND PROCEDURES, ENFORCING IT SO WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB AND, UH, GET MORE CLARITY. AND PERHAPS THERE'S ANOTHER SEPARATE PARAGRAPH THERE. I THINK. YEAH. WE WON. YEAH. WE CAN WE CONSIDER, I THINK PART OF THIS DOES HAVE TO DO WITH THE CURRENT AND EXISTING AUTHORITY OF THE COMMISSION TOO, RIGHT? YES. I, I UNDERSTAND, UNDERSTAND THAT. SO I THINK YOU CAN MAKE IT CLEAR. YEAH. OKAY. IS THAT ALL ? I'M HOPING THERE'S MORE. THAT'S ALL I HAVE RIGHT NOW. YEAH. DO WE OTHER COMMENTS? VICE CHAIR? UM, VICE CHAIR. YES. COMMISSIONER, JUST A QUESTION FROM THE, UM, AD HOC, IF THEY CONSIDER VOLUNTEERS CATEGORY OF VOLUNTEERS UNDER THE DEFINITIONS OR UNDER THE DEFINITION OF A CITY EMPLOYEE, VOLUNTEERS ARE, ARE UNDER THE DEFINITION OF PUBLIC SERVANT, IS THAT RIGHT? YES. THEY'RE INTENTIONALLY NOT UNDER THE DEFINITION OF CITY EMPLOYEES BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT CITY EMPLOYEES. SO WE WANNA BE VERY CAREFUL IN WHO WE SAY THE CITY EMPLOYEE, BECAUSE THAT COMES WITH A LOT OF SUPERPOWERS, LIKE BENEFITS, HEALTH INSURANCE, CALPERS. SO THAT'S WHY THEY'RE INTENTIONALLY SEPARATED OUT UNDER PUBLIC SERVANT. SAME THING WITH INTERNS, BECAUSE ONE CAN ARGUE THAT COMMISSIONERS ARE VOLUNTEERS, RIGHT. BUT WE, BUT WE'RE IN A CATEGORY. YOU HAVE THAT YOU HAVE YOUR OWN CATEGORY OF, UH, AT LEAST IN THE ORDINANCE. OKAY. AND YOU'RE AN APPOINTED OFFICIAL. YOU'RE NOT, YOU ARE A VOLUNTEER, BUT YOU ARE CONSIDERED AN APPOINTED OFFICIAL BECAUSE THE MAYOR DICTATES WHETHER YOU SERVE OR NOT. RIGHT. AND MY QUESTION [00:45:01] IS, FOR NON-PAY VOLUNTEERS AT A EVENT, A HEALTH BEAR, UH, ANIMAL SERVICES HAND OUT FLYERS THAT FALLS UNDER PUBLIC SERVANT. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE OTHER INPUT? I WOULD LIKE, IF YOU COULD JUST TAKE A LOOK AT THE DEFINITION OF BUSINESS PARTNER. IF I'M NOT LOOKING TO CHANGE THE SUBSTANCE OF WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY, I JUST COULDN'T FIGURE OUT WHERE THE VERBS AND OBJECTS AND SUBJECT SCORE . YOU CAN JUST TAKE A LOOK AT IT. UM, AND THANKS. ANY OTHER COMMENTS, IF I MAY? YES. UH, UNDER YOUR COMMENT UNDER 4.01, UH, 0.10, I, I THINK THIS IS NEW LANGUAGE. UH, I'VE KIND OF WRESTLED BACK AND FORTH UNDER, UH, TWO B, UH, DIS INTERESTED SKILL, UH, AND DILIGENCE. UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK AS I CONSIDER HOW PERHAPS A COURT MIGHT LOOK AT THAT SECTION, UH, I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE IT'S CLEAR WHAT THAT, YOU KNOW, THOSE FIVE WORDS WE'RE TRYING TO, TO, TO GET TO, I, I, I MEAN, I GOT AN UNDERSTANDING, YOU KNOW, A PUBLIC SERVICE SERVING, YOU KNOW, HASN'T MAKES A DECISION OF THE INTEREST OF PARTY. AND IT'S NOT PRIMARILY FOR THING FOR THE CITY. UM, BUT YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WOULD THAT JUDGE BE LOOKING FOR? YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF ZEAL, WHAT KIND OF DILIGENCE? I THINK IT IS A LITTLE, I THINK IT COULD BE CLEANED UP PERHAPS A LITTLE BIT BEFORE WE FINALLY 13. I, YES, WE WILL. THE COMMITTEE WILL TAKE A, UH, TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAYING. THANK YOU. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? VICE CHAIR? YES. UM, CAN THIS, UM, IF WE FIND SOME FORMATTING, MINOR FORMATTING IN ISSUES, CAN WE JUST EMAIL 'EM TO HEATHER OR TO THE AD HOC WITHOUT HAVING TO, I BELIEVE IT HAS TO GO TO, IS THERE? YES. IT'S NOT . IT'S NOT. THANK YOU. I'D ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT AS THE AD HOC CONTINUES TO MOVE THROUGH THE OTHER CHAPTERS, THERE'S, THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE THE POTENTIAL THAT THERE'LL BE MODIFICATIONS TO EXISTING CHAPTERS THAT THE COMMISSION'S ALREADY SEEING. SO WE'LL COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT WHAT WE'VE JUST DISCUSSED. IN ADDITION, THERE MAY BE CHANGES THAT, YOU KNOW, COME OUT OF THE A HO THAT MAY REQUIRE CHANGES TO OTHER CHAPTERS THAT'VE ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED. SO THIS IS STILL GONNA BE A LIVING DOCUMENT TO BE CONSIDERED OVER THE NEXT, UH, SEVERAL MONTHS OR FEW MONTHS. UH, SEVERAL, FEW. ANYTHING FURTHER? DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC HEARING? COMMENTS FROM THE, UH, VOTE COMMISSIONER? AYE. AYE. AYE. COMMISSIONER? AYE. COMMISSIONER WHITE AYE. PAUL AYE. MOTION AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR, RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE A PRESENTATION FROM THE AD HOC COMMITTEE ON UPDATED POLICIES REGARDING CHAPTER 4.03 CONFLICTS OF INTEREST OF THE DRAFT ETHICS COORDINATES. DO I HAVE A MOTION? SECOND, UH, COMMISSIONER SHOTWELL MOVED. COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICT IS SECOND. DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? YES. UH, CHAIR, I HAVE THE, UH, HONOR OF, UH, PRESENTING THIS ITEM ALSO. AND SO, FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANT TO COMPLIMENT, UH, THE, UH, ETHICS OFFICER. I JUST LOVE TO SEE THE ETHICS LOGO. WE LOVE TO SEE THE ETHICS LOGO ON THE ACTUAL, UH, PRESENTATION. REALLY, IT JUST REMINDS ME BACK. WE ACTUALLY CONSIDER THAT REALLY APPRECIATE SAYING IT. AND SO THE, UH, UH, AGENDA ITEM THREE, WE DEALT WITH, UH, CHAPTER 4.1, THE GENERAL PROVISIONS AND 4.2, UH, THE CODE OF ETHICS, UH, IN CHAPTER THREE, 4.03 WE'RE DOING, UH, AND PRESENTING TO THE COMMISSION FOR REVIEW AT THE JUNE MEETING. UH, GIVEN THE FACT [00:50:01] THAT THE MAY MEETING IS GONNA BE TRUNCATED SOME AS, THAT'S WHERE WE WILL HAVE THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE, THE STRATEGIC, UH, THE STRATEGIC POLICY OF THE COMMISSION, UM, IS. BUT WE ARE PRESENTING HERE, UH, 4.03, UH, THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST CHAPTER. AND SO I'LL WALK THROUGH AND GIVE A SUMMARY OF WHAT IS ADDRESSED, BUT NOT IN ANY GREAT LEVEL OF DETAIL. UH, BUT IT COULD TAKE SOME TIME. 'CAUSE THERE ARE SEVERAL CHAPTERS TO, UH, WHERE THERE ARE SEVERAL SECTIONS. FIRST OF ALL, 4.03010. UH, THIS IS A SECTION THAT IS PERTAINING TO, UH, REQUIRING DISCLOSURE OF CONFLICTS OF INTEREST. UM, AND THAT WOULD BE, UM, ANYTHING THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED A CONFLICT OF INTEREST AND ALSO REQUIRING THE, UH, DISCLOSURE, UH, FOR ITEMS RELATED TO CLOSE PERSONAL RELATIONS. I'LL NOTE THAT WE HAVE JUST HAD THE DISCUSSION AND THE PRIOR AGENDA TOPIC REGARDING CLOSE PERSONAL RELATIONS THAT WE'LL TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION HERE. UM, AND IF THE, UH, A PROVISION, IF WANNA CALL THIS OUT FOR THE COMMISSION'S CONSIDERATION, IS THAT IF ANOTHER PUBLIC SERVANT IS AWARE OF A CONFLICT OF ANOTHER PUBLIC SERVANT, OR IF A PUBLIC SERVANT'S AWARE OF A CONFLICT OF ANOTHER PUBLIC SERVANT, WE HAVE INCLUDED IN THIS DRAFT A REQUIREMENT TO REPORT THAT TO THE CITY ETHICS OFFICE. UM, ALSO NOTE THAT WE'RE GENERALLY USING THE TERMINOLOGY CITY ETHICS OFFICE, AS OPPOSED TO OFFICER IN THE SENSE THAT THEREFORE IT CAN BE BROADER TO INCLUDE OTHERS WITHIN THAT OFFICE WHEN THE CITY ETHICS OFFICER IS OUT. UM, AND THEN TODAY, UH, THERE'S REQUIREMENTS IN HERE DEALING WITH, UH, HOW THE, UH, UM, THE DISCLOSURE IS TO BE DOCUMENTED, DOCUMENTED IN WRITING, UH, FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD. UM, GENERALLY REQUIREMENT THAT IF YOU, UH, HAVE A CONFLICT, UH, THERE YOU, IF YOU HAVE A CONFLICT, YOU CANNOT DISCUSS THE MATTER. UH, YOU CANNOT ACT ON THE MATTER, CANNOT INTER INFLUENCE OTHERS TO PARTICIPATE. YOU CANNOT USE YOUR POSITION TO ACCESS INFORMATION WITH REGARD TO THE MATTER, AND YOU CAN'T COMMUNICATE ABOUT THE MATTER IN OFFICIAL CAPACITY REQUIREMENTS FOR PUBLIC MEETINGS. UM, AND THIS IS WHERE PUBLIC SERVANTS ARE REQUIRED TO DISCLOSE IN THAT MEETING. UM, AND THIS IS, UH, FOR PUBLIC SERVANTS WHO ARE NOT ELECTED, UM, OR IF THEY ARE ELECTED, THEN REQUIREMENT TO, UH, RECUSE THEMSELVES FROM THE DISCUSSION AND ALSO LEAVE THE ROOM, UH, REQUIREMENTS THAT IF YOU DO CHOOSE TO, UH, RECUSE YOURSELF, UH, OR ANNOUNCE A POTENTIAL CONFLICT, THERE'S, UH, I'M SORRY. IF YOU DO CHOOSE TO RECUSE YOURSELF OR ANNOUNCE THE POTENTIAL FOR A CONFLICT OF INTEREST, WE HAVE PROVISIONS ASSOCIATED ADDRESSING THAT IN PARTICULAR. UM, THE NEXT CHAPTER IS DEALING WITH, UH, THE NEXT SECTION, I'M SORRY, IS DEALING IS 4.03020. AND THESE ARE DECISIONS AFFECTING FINANCIAL INTEREST, THE REQUIREMENTS THAT PUBLIC SERVANTS CANNOT USE THEIR POSITION TO INFLUENCE DECISION WHERE THEY HAVE A FINANCIAL INTEREST, UM, TO SOME EXTENT CODIFYING WHAT'S ALREADY REQUIRED, UH, IN STATE LAW. UH, ALONG WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, A, UH, DOCUMENTING THAT A DISQUALIFYING, UH, FINANCIAL INTEREST, IT IS SOMETHING WILL HAVE A MATERIAL EFFECT ON YOU OR YOUR IMMEDIATE FAMILY, UH, BUSINESS ENTITY OR ENTITY, OR ASSOCIATED WITH YOUR REAL PROPERTY INCOME SOURCES, GIFTS AND PERSONAL FINANCES. UM, SECTION 4.030, UH, DEALS WITH DECISIONS INVOLVING YOUR CLOSE PERSONAL RELATIONS. AND I'LL NOTE THAT WE'LL TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE, UH, DISCUSSION. UH, WE HAVE ON THE LAST AGENDA TOPIC, UH, BUT PUBLIC SERVANTS CANNOT INFLUENCE, UH, THIS MEANS THE HIRING, PROMOTION DISCIPLINE, OR THEY CAN'T INPUT SUPERVISE ANYONE WITH A, WHICH THEY HAVE A CLOSE PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH. IT HAS TO DO WITH, UH, WORK DECISIONS, WORK HOURS, UH, BUDGETS, PERFORMANCE REVIEWS, JOB ASSIGNMENTS, UH, SUPERVISORY CAPACITIES, UH, ALONG WITH PUBLIC SERVANTS CANNOT RECOMMEND, UH, POINT OR VOTE FOR ANY, UH, INDIVIDUAL WHO IS A CLOSE PERSONAL RELATION, UH, FOR AN ACTIVITY WITHIN THE CITY. SECTION 4.03040 DEALS WITH DISQUALIFICATIONS FOR DECISIONS INVOLVING BENEFACTORS. UH, THE PUBLIC SERVANT CANNOT PARTICIPATE IN DECISIONS INVOLVING SOMEONE WHO IS GIVEN, UH, THE PUBLIC SERVANT, UH, OR THEIR IMMEDIATE FAMILY AND OPPORTUNITY FOR COMPENSATION, [00:55:01] UH, PROMISES, UH, TO GIVE US SUCH OPPORTUNITY IN THE FUTURE, OR IS ACTED AS AN INTERMEDIARY IN PROVIDING, UH, OR FACILITATING, UH, THAT OPPORTUNITY EITHER IN THE PAST OR IN THE FUTURE. UM, AND EVEN IF THE COMPENSATION IS OFFERED TO A FAMILY, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC SERVANT CANNOT PARTICIPATE IN ANY DECISIONS IF IT WERE INVOLVED IN SECURING THE OPPORTUNITY. UH, SECTION 4.03050 IS DEALING WITH DISQUALIFICATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH, UH, CONTRACTING AND REQUIRING THE PUBLIC SERVANTS CANNOT HAVE A FINANCIAL STAKE IN THE CONTRACTS THEY APPROVE. UH, THE CITY COUNCIL AND BOARDS CANNOT APPROVE CONTRACTS WHERE A MEMBER HAS A FINANCIAL INTEREST, UH, THAT THE PUBLIC SERVANT CANNOT PARTICIPATE IN EVALUATING OR MANAGING SUCH CONTRACTS, UM, AND THAT THE PUBLIC SERVANT CANNOT PRESSURE CONTRACTORS WITH WHOM THE CITY DOES BUSINESS, UH, TO HIRE RELATIVES OR TO TAKE OTHER ACTIONS. SECTION 4.03060 IS DEALING WITH OUTSIDE ACTIVITIES AND REQUIRES THAT PUBLIC SERVANTS CANNOT ENGAGE IN ANY OUTSIDE WORK FOR COMPENSATION IF IT CONFLICTS WITH THEIR CITY DUTIES. UH, IT WILL INCORPORATE OTHER WORK THAT WE, THE AD HOC COMMITTEE IS DOING WITH REGARDS TO CITY RESOURCES, UH, WHICH IS WORK TIME RESOURCES. UM, IT WILL, IT ALSO ADDRESSES USING THE CITY, YOUR CITY BADGE, YOUR UNIFORM, OR YOUR POSITION, UH, TO INFLUENCE FOR PERSONAL GAIN. UH, ADDRESSES, UH, ACCEPTING PAYMENT FOR WORK THAT YOU WOULD NORMALLY DO FOR THE CITY, UH, ADDRESSES DOING WORK, UH, THAT COULD LATER BE REVIEWED OR ENFORCED BY OTHER CITY EMPLOYEES, UH, ADDRESSES WORKING ON, UH, OUTSIDE WORK THAT HINDERS YOUR ABILITY TO PERFORM YOUR CITY DUTIES EFFECTIVELY, UH, THAT THE PUBLIC SERVANT CANNOT ACCEPT PAYMENT FOR PERFORMING YOUR THEIR REGULAR CITY DUTY. UH, IN ADDITION, UH, THIS SECTION, UH, WE NOTE THAT DOES NOT APPLY TO BOARDS, COMMISSIONERS, AND ELECTED OFFICIALS WHERE THERE'S, IT'S ALREADY CONTEMPLATED THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE OUTSIDE ACTIVITIES. OBVIOUSLY, THAT'S OUTSIDE ACTIVITIES THAT ARE NOT, UH, INCONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE, UH, THE CITY'S BUSINESS IS. UM, UH, SECTION 4.03070 IS DOING ADDRESSING, UH, INCOMPATIBLE OFFICES, UH, AND SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIES THAT IF OFFICE IS INCOMPATIBLE, IF ONE OFFICE, UH, HAS AUTHORITY TO OVERSEE, REMOVE MEMBERS, FIRE EMPLOYEES, UH, OR EX EXERT SUPERVISORY POWER OVER THE OTHER OFFICE. UM, AND RECOGNIZING THAT WHAT WE POTENTIALLY ALSO MAY HAVE HERE WITH SUPER, UH, INCOMPATIBLE OFFICES IS QUITE CONFLICTING, LOYALTIES FROM ONE OFFICE VERSUS THE OTHER OFFICE, AND A GENERAL PROVISION THAT WHERE HOLDING BOTH OFFICES IS DEEMED INAPPROPRIATE BASED ON PUBLIC POLICY CONSIDERATIONS. UH, SECTION 4.03080 IS ADDRESSING FUTURE EMPLOYMENT. UM, THIS IS GETTING AT THE REVOLVING DOOR, UH, AREAS, AND WE ALSO ARE ADDRESSING THAT IN SECTION OH NINE OH. BUT PUBLIC SERVANTS CANNOT USE THEIR OFFICIAL POSITION TO INFLUENCE, UH, DECISIONS INVOLVING POTENTIAL FUTURE EMPLOYMENT, AND THAT APPLIES TO THEM OR THEIR, UH, IMMEDIATE FAMILY. AND THEN SECTION 4.03090, UH, LOBBYING ASSOCIATED WITH, UH, AS A FORMER PUBLIC SERVANT. AND THIS IS MORE TECHNICALLY THE REVOLVING DOOR. BOTH OF THESE SECTIONS WE ARE PUTTING OUT THERE, BUT WANT TO KIND OF CONSIDER THEM ALSO IN CONTEXT OF WHAT WILL COME FROM THE LOBBYING ORDINANCES WHEN IT IS ULTIMATELY DRAFTED BY COUNCIL. UH, BUT WITH REGARD TO 4.03090 FOR THE REVOLVING DOOR PROVISIONS, UM, ADDRESS IT GENERALLY WITH A, UH, A RULE REGARDING ANY, WHAT KIND OF PROHIBITING ANY SIGNIFICANT PARTICIPATION, UH, IN MATTERS, UH, THAT THEY, THAT THEY, THE INDIVIDUAL WORKED ON WHEN THEY WERE TOLD PREVIOUSLY BEFORE THE, UH, WORK FOR THE CITY. UH, AND THEN GETTING MORE SPECIFIC WITH MATTERS THAT, UH, WELL, ONE WOULD BE A GENERAL PROHIBITION TIME LIMITED ONE YEAR, IF THE INDIVIDUAL WAS, UM, UH, AN EMPLOYEE TWO YEARS, IF THEY'RE ELECTED OFFICIAL, THAT THEY CANNOT LOBBY GENERALLY IN THE CITY. AND THEN SEPARATELY HAVING REQUIREMENTS THAT PERPETUITY OF MATTERS THAT THEY OR SO PARTICIPATED IN. AND [01:00:01] SECTION 4.03 100 IS DEALING WITH ENFORCEMENT, UH, AND ADDRESSING, YOU KNOW, UH, WHEN, UH, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN IN PUBLIC SERVANT HAS FAILED TO DISCLOSE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST, UH, THE DISCIPLINARY ACTION, UH, NOTING THAT THERE'S POTENTIAL DISCIPLINARY ACTION, UH, AND THAT IT, UH, THEY MAY AUTOMATICALLY BE REMOVED FROM THE, UH, UH, FROM THAT PARTICULAR BODY, UH, THAT THEY ARE SERVING ON, UH, EXCEPTIONS FOR WHERE THERE IS A VALID REASON THAT HAS BEEN ARTICULATED AND ACTED UPON. UM, AND OBVIOUSLY THIS IS AN AREA WHERE, UM, MEMBERS WHO, UH, REPEATEDLY MISS THE FILING DEADLINES IN FORM 700, UH, OTHERS, UH, YOU KNOW, WILL HAVE A HARDER TIME GETTING A WAIVER IN THE FUTURE THAN SOMEONE WHO'S THE FIRST TIME, POTENTIALLY A FIRST TIME OFFENDER. UM, FINALLY, UH, WE HAVE, UH, SECTION 4.0 3 0 1 1 0, WHICH IS REALLY DIRECTING, UH, PUBLIC SERVANTS TO SEEK OUT AND GET THE GUIDANCE FROM CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, UH, WHERE THERE IS ACTUALLY, UH, UH, AN ACTUAL OR POTENTIAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST IN GIVING THE SPECIFIC GUIDANCE ON THEIR PARTICULAR, PARTICULAR SITUATION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. AND WITH THAT LONG SUMMARY, I, UH, TURN IT OVER TO COMMISSIONER DAVID . IS THERE ANYTHING THAT I MISSED? NO, NO. . THANK YOU. AND DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS FROM OTHER COMMISSIONERS? QUICK COMMENT. GOOD JOB. UM, FOR 4.0 3 20 0 6 0 E, UM, I JUST SUGGEST THAT WE ALSO, UH, ADD THE TERM COMMITTEE. UM, IT HAS BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, PUBLIC, UH, SERVANT, UH, AND OFFICE ORDERS, BUT NOT COMMITTEE, BECAUSE THE DEFINITION MM-HMM. IS IN THE CHAPTER IS SPORTS AND COMMISSION TO AVOID HAVING TO SAY ALL OF THEM EVERY, EVERY TIME, SAY ALL THEM. OKAY. SO IT ENDS UP GETTING CAPTURED. WE'RE TRYING TO SAY LESS. OKAY, NO PROBLEM. YEAH. BUT IT IS CAPTURED. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR CATCHING THAT. THANK YOU. I WOULD ADD THAT, UM, ONE THING THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED AS AN AD HOC IS WE'VE TRIED TO KIND OF PUT ALL DEFINITIONS TO THE EXHIBIT. WE CAN MOVE THEM TO, AT THE VERY BEGINNING, REALIZING THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE MIGHT GET BELABORED GOING TO DEFINITIONS AND NEVER GET TO THE ACTUAL, UH, TOPIC, UH, THAT MIGHT, BUT THANK YOU FOR THE COMMENT. AND ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE COMMISSIONERS? I DO HAVE ONE COMMENT. UM, THAT LA CITY HAS AN APPEARANCE OF CONFLICT STANDARD THAT IS, UH, INCLUDES FINANCIAL, BUT ALSO CAN BE NON-FINANCIAL CONFLICTS. I JUST WONDERED IF YOU FOLKS CONSIDERED THE APPEARANCE OF CONFLICT IN NON FINANCIAL CONTEXT? UH, YES. WE HAVE. WE CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT IN TERMS OF WHAT HAS BEEN DRAFTED, UH, AND ALSO TAKE A SPECIFIC LOOK AT THAT APPEARANCE SECTION THAT, UH, WITHIN ELA CITY IS ONE OF THE TOPICS THAT THE AD HOC IS DISCUSSED IS, YOU KNOW, TO WHAT EXTENT CAN WE GO AFTER ANYTHING MORE THAN AN ACTUAL CONFLICT OR SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY IS A POTENTIAL OR AN APPEARANCE. UM, SAY THAT , UH, COMMISSIONER AND THE I OR BOTH, YOU KNOW, WOULD LIKE TO DO FOR THAT. BUT THEN THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS IN TERMS OF THE DO NATURE OF THE DOCUMENT THAT'S BEING PUT FORWARD, IN FACT THAT IT'S ACTUALLY A CITY ORDINANCE. SO THE, I THINK IN LA IT'S IN THEIR CITY CHARTER. MM-HMM. . AND I BELIEVE IT ALLOWS THE CITY ATTORNEY TO TELL SOMEONE, LIKE THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS AN ADDITIONAL POWER TO TELL SOMEONE THAT THEY MUST REVIEW. UM, SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT AND POTENTIALLY TALK TO, THAT'S A, THAT'S A DECISION ABOVE ME, , WHETHER MY OFFICE IS COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. WE DO IN LONG BEACH HAVE A REQUIREMENT THAT SOMEONE ACTED PARTIALLY MM-HMM. . AND THAT'S WHAT LA SAYS THEY'RE IMPLEMENTING. I'M SORRY, ACTING PARTIALLY IMPART IMPARTIALLY. THANK YOU. I THOUGHT. RIGHT. , ANY OTHER FROM THE COMMISSION? DO WE HAVE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC? YES. UM, I LIKE THE IDEA, [01:05:01] YOU SUGGEST APPEARANCE, AND ONE EXAMPLE I WE GIVE IS THAT ON THE COMMISSION MEETINGS, WHICH I HAD PROBLEMS WITH, THE AGENDA ITEM WAS INTRODUCED, AND THEN ONE OF THE SPEAKERS FROM THE AUDIENCE STOOD UP AND SAID THAT SHE HAD WORKED CLOSELY WITH ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS, HAD BROUGHT THIS TO HER ATTENTION AND WAS THANKFUL THAT SHE PUT IT ON THE AGENDA ITEM. AND IT APPEARED THAT THE COMMISSIONER WHO WAS PUSHING IT WAS VERY, AGAIN, IT WAS, I DO NOT BELIEVE IT WAS A BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP OR ANYTHING, BUT THERE WAS AN APPEARANCE THAT THERE WAS A BIAS BY THE COMMISSIONER BASED ON WHAT THE SPEAKER SAID WHEN SHE WAS TALKING ON THE AGENDA ITEM. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD ADDRESS THAT, BUT FOR SOMEBODY WHO'S A RESIDENT, IT IS TROUBLING WHEN THERE IS THIS, WHAT APPEARS TO BE PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL, SHOWING THAT THERE IS A CONFLICT BY THE COMMISSIONER WHO THEN PUSHES THE ITEM AND ALSO DOESN'T RECUSE OR DISCLOSE. SO AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS COMMISSION IN THE CITY GETS TO THAT, BUT IT'S A RESIDENT THAT'S TROUBLING ANY FURTHER TROUBLE. JT, WOULD YOU TAKE THE WRONG VOTE? COMMISSIONER NOR AYE. COMMISSIONER COLE? AYE. COMMISSIONER? AYE. COMMISSIONER . AYE. COMMISSIONER AYE. VICE CHAIR? AYE. MOTION AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE, RECOMMENDATION TO DISCUSS PROPOSING A CODE OF CONDUCT FOR PUBLIC SERVANTS DURING AN ELECTION CYCLE. DO I HAVE A MOTION? SECOND, UH, MOVED BY COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICT SECOND. EXCUSE ME. BY COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER WA? YEAH. UM, IF WE HAVE SUCH A BROAD DEFINITION OF PUBLIC SERVANTS, THEN IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THAT'S ONE OF THE PLACES WHERE THE ITEM WE WERE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE GETTING UP AND SAYING WHAT THEY THINK ABOUT SOMETHING AND NOT DISCLOSING WHETHER THEY'RE A RESIDENT OR AN ELECTED, UM, WOULD, WOULD FALL RIGHT INTO, SO IF THAT SAYS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT? WELL, THIS IS SPECIFICALLY FOCUSED ON THE ELECTION CYCLE, BUT, UH, WELL, I THINK YOUR COMMENT IS IS EVEN BROADER. YEAH. WELL, YEAH, I I GUESS WHEN I BROUGHT IT UP, I SAID, I THINK WE SHOULD SEND SOMETHING OUT BECAUSE WE'RE IN AN ELECTION CYCLE. SO I'M JUST SAYING THIS IS, YEAH, I ALREADY ON THE AGENDA. UHHUH, IN A WAY. AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WOULD, WOULD FALL UNDER THIS WOULD BE HOW YOU REPRESENT YOURSELF WHEN YOU SPEAK. AND, AND WE HAVE HAD QUESTIONS RAISED, SO I'LL JUST SAY THIS, UH, ON THIS ITEM, I'M NOT SURE A, AN ADDITIONAL CODE OF CONDUCT WOULD BE, IT COULD ALSO BE CONFUSING. UM, WE DON'T WANNA MORE THAN ONE FOR THE CITY. UH, BUT I DO THINK, UH, AS WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PREVIOUS ITEM, IF IT REQUIRES IN TIME TO AMEND THE CURRENT CODE OR TO PUT OUT MATERIALS THAT, UH, DESCRIBE OR, UM, DEMONSTRATE THE TYPES OF COMMUNICATIONS THAT YOU'RE EXPECTED AS A PUBLIC SERVANT, WHETHER YOU'RE, UH, IN THE ELECTION CYCLE OR NOT, UM, I THINK THAT THERE'S ROOM FOR THAT, BUT I'M, I'M NOT AS COMFORTABLE WITHIN AN ADDITIONAL CODE OF CONDUCT. THERE ARE QUESTIONS AT LEAST OF WHETHER, UM, THE STAFF OF ELECTIVES, FOR EXAMPLE, FEEL PRESSURED TO SUPPORT CAMPAIGNS. MM-HMM. OR, AND, AND IF SO, THE, THE VARYING ROLES THAT THEY'RE SERVING, ONE BEING, UH, A CAMPAIGN AID AND THE OTHER BEING A PUBLIC SERVANT PAID BY THE CITY, IS, IS THERE NOT, I THOUGHT THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY OFTEN SENT OUT A MEMO. AM I WRONG ABOUT THIS? CREATED A FACT SHEET. A FACT SHEET. OKAY. WE HAVE A FACT SHEET NOW. OKAY. BASED ON [01:10:01] OUR WEBSITE IN PERPETUITY. OKAY. ABOUT WHAT YOU CAN AND CAN'T DO DURING ELECTION, INCLUDING NOT USING CITY RESOURCES. RIGHT. OKAY. INCLUDING SNAP TIME, COMPUTERS, BUILDINGS, UM, UNLESS YOU PAY PERMIT. RIGHT. AND THEY'RE ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYBODY. SO, AND UM, THIS YEAR, UH, ALL OF THE LEGISLATIVE STAFF RECEIVES THE PRESENTATION FROM CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE REGARDING ALL OF THE RULES DURING ELECTION SEASON. AND IT WAS MANDATORY AND THEY WERE REQUIRED TO SIGN IN. UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS WERE INVITED, ONLY ONE ATTENDED, BUT , SO, UH, WE, SORRY, WE SEND THE INVITATION TO EVERYBODY. UM, BUT UH, YEAH, SO THEY HAVE RECEIVED A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF EDUCATION OR A FAIR, I WOULD SAY A FAIR, MAYBE NOT SIGNIFICANT, UM, ON THE DOS AND DON'TS DURING ELECTION SEASON. THAT PRESENTATION IS ALSO GIVEN VOLUNTARILY TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT WHO INTERFACES WITH THE COMMUNITY A LOT, COMMUNICATIONS TEAM AND OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, UM, BECAUSE THEY SEEM TO GET THE MOST CAUGHT UP IN ELECTION PROBLEMS WITH ELECTEDS. COMMISSIONER, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO, I AGREE WITH AND SUPPORT TO BE SURE TO GET INTO THIS. I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF AN ADDED CODE OF CONDUCT. UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE ISSUE ADDRESSED EITHER WITH A SLIGHT ADJUSTMENT TO OUR EXISTING CODE OF CONDUCT OR OTHER CHANGES TO INCLUDING THE, UM, CHANGES AS, UH, IN THE NEW ETHICS AND NEW GOVERNMENT ACT, UH, THAT WOULD ADDRESS THE SITUATION. UH, BUT GENERALLY, I, I KIND OF VIEW AND SIMILAR TO THE COMMENT I HAD REGARD TO AGENDA TOP ITEM NUMBER TWO, REALLY LIKE TO SEE THE CODE OF CONDUCT OPERATING AT A HIGHER LEVEL AND HAVING ONLY ONE CODE OF CONDUCT THAT APPLIES ACROSS THE CITY. I KNOW WE DO HAVE A SUPPLIER CODE OF CONDUCT, THERE'S REASONS FOR THAT 'CAUSE THEY'RE ACTUALLY NOT CITY EMPLOYEES OR PUBLIC SERVANTS. UH, BUT HAVING, UH, THAT DOCUMENT KIND OF OPERATE WITHOUT GETTING INTO SOME OF THESE SPECIFICS AND APPLY TO CANDIDATES, IF WE CAN MAKE IT APPLY, COMMISSIONER NOR, UH, VICE CHAIR, I WOULD THANK YOU. I'M JUST CURIOUS, UH, WHAT PRECIPITATED THIS ITEM, UH, TO BE PLACED ON THE AGENDA? UH, IT MUST HAVE COME FROM YOU AND OR CHAIR MORALES, IS THAT CORRECT? YES. UH, WAS THERE A REASON THAT YOU PLACED THIS ITEM ON THE AGENDA? OTHERWISE I'D BE, UM, IN AGREEMENT WITH MY COLLEAGUES. WAS THE MATERIAL PROVIDED TO THE FULL COMMISSION? NO, THERE WAS NO MATERIAL, NOTHING. THE LETTER THAT WE LOOKED AT, IT WAS NOT. OKAY. YES, THERE WAS A PRECIPITATED COMMUNICATION. OKAY. WELL, WITHOUT KNOWING OR FULLY LOOKING AT IT, I'D HAVE TO AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES. WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO KIND OF TABLE THIS TO THE MAY OR JUNE MEETING, UH, WHERE WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THE SPECIFICALLY COMMUNICATIONS? I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS A REASON IT WASN'T PROVIDED, SO I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN PROMISE SAID IT WILL BE. I DON'T RECALL. IS IS IS THE ISSUE. IT IS NOT ADDRESSED BY THE, UM, THERE'S A, THERE'S A PLEDGE THAT THE CANDIDATES, AT LEAST THAT WE ASK THEM TO TAKE WHEN THEY'RE A CANDIDATE, ADDRESS THEM. THAT'S, THAT COMES OUT STATE. I DON'T KNOW. I HAVEN'T LOOKED BACK AT IT. OKAY. WELL, I'LL FURTHER DISCUSSION. YEAH, I AGREE. WE HAD A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION. SO IT SEEMS LIKE AN EMAIL THAT MAYBE SHOULD HAVE GONE TO THE ENTIRE COMMISSION DID NOT. THERE WAS A COMPLAINT AGAINST ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, UM, RUNNING FOR OFFICE THAT WENT TO BOTH THE FPBC AND THAT CAME TO THE CITY. SO WE WILL MAKE SURE TO GET YOU A COPY, AND THIS CAN BE LAID OVER TO THE NEXT MEETING, BUT IT WAS RELATED TO, UM, NOT FILING, UH, THEIR CANDIDATE STATEMENTS TIMELY WITH THE FPBC. UM, THEY GOT A WARNING LETTER. AND THEN ALSO THE, THE ISSUE THAT WAS PRESENTED TO THE COMMISSION WAS THE USE OF CITY STAFF AND APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY AND USING [01:15:01] YOUR CHIEF OF STAFF AND YOUR LEGISLATIVE STAFF AFTER HOURS, UM, FOR CAMPAIGN ACTIVITIES. OKAY. RIGHT. SO WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT YOU, IT WAS AN OVERSIGHT. UM, WE GET A LOT OF MORE COMPLAINTS NOW, SO, UM, , UM, ABSOLUTELY. WHAT, GO AHEAD. DO WE NEED TO MODIFY THIS THEN TO, UH, LAY IT OVER TO THE NEXT, UH, TO THE MAY MEETING? SO WHOEVER MADE THE MOTION CAN JUST MAKE, AMEND IT TO LAY IT OVER TO THE NEXT MEETING, AND THEN WE WILL MAKE SURE TO GET YOU THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO HELP INFORM YOUR DECISION COMMISSIONER. UH, SO A MOTION THAT WE SEE MORE INFORMATION FROM STAFF SO THAT WE CAN CONSIDER, CONSIDER THIS NEXT MONTH. COMMISSIONER. SAY I, I DO, I DO YOU TAKE A VOTE PLEASE. A COMMISSIONER? AYE. AYE. AYE. CHAIR P*****K. AYE. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX. RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE THE ETHICS COMMISSION'S 2023 ANNUAL REPORTS, OR YOU DO HAVE ALL RECEIVED A COPY OF ELECTRONICALLY AND THEN NOW IN A PAPER, COPY THE MOTION AND I THINK IT'S BEAUTIFUL. SECOND, DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION FROM THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION? VICE CHAIR? YES. I JUST WANNA THANK, I JUST WANNA THANK, UH, I ASSUME IT WAS YOU AND CHAIR MORALES AND ALONG WITH THE HELP OF, UH, ETHICS OFFICER HEATHER, UH, THAT WORKS TOGETHER. UHOR. YES, OF COURSE. UM, IT LOOKS VERY NICE. UM, GREAT JOB. NICE EXPENSIVE PAPER. UM, BUT I JUST, I'M JUST CURIOUS TO KNOW, I KNOW THAT THIS IS, UH, ABOUT THE COMMISSION, BUT IT WOULD'VE BEEN NICE IF IT, DID YOU CONSIDER JUST INCLUDING A, UM, OUR WORK WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND ALSO WITH THE ETHICS OFFICE THERE AT OUR MEETINGS EVERY MONTH? UH, THIS YEAR WAS THE FIRST YEAR THAT THERE WAS A, UH, UH, ACTUALLY IT WAS A, A PROPOSAL APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. MM-HMM. REQUIRING CERTAIN INFORMATION TO BE INCLUDED AND WE FOLLOWED THAT OUT. OKAY. UM, IN PAST YEARS WE HAVE BEEN MORE AUDITOR, RECOGNIZED THE SUPPORT THAT WE'RE RECEIVING. UM, AND I'LL TAKE NOTE OF THAT. YEAH. UH, IT, IT GOES ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT THEY'VE ASKED FOR, BUT I, I AGREE. THE CITY STAFF HAS REALLY GIVEN US INCREDIBLE SUPPORT THIS YEAR AND THEY DO DESERVE A LOT OF RECOGNITION. YEAH. I, I HAVE A COMMENT, . SO WHY PREVIOUSLY, UM, THIS IS JUST DONE IN A LETTER, A LETTER FORMAT, AND WE'VE PUT IN THE END OUR THANKS TO THE STAFF THAT WORK WITH US. I'M WONDERING IF IT'S, IF IT'S A REQUIREMENT THAT IT BE SUBMITTED, BUT CERTAINLY THE COVER LETTER COULD INCLUDE ALL THAT LABORATORY INFORMATION AND BE THE THANKS THAT THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR COULD PUT TOGETHER WHEN IT'S SENT TO WHOMEVER IS REQUIRED TO BE, BE SENT TO. HAS THE ANNUAL REPORT SUBMITTED? NO. IT HAS TO BE APPROVED. SO ONCE APPROVED, UM, SO COULD BE DONE, IT COULD STILL BE DONE IN A COVER LETTER. WE COULD STILL HAVE A COVER LETTER. SO DO WE NEED ADDITIONAL AUTHORITY TO DRAFT A COVER LETTER? WELL, I'LL AMEND THE MOTION TO, TO REQUEST THE CHAIR, VICE CHAIR 10 SUCH LETTER, THE REPORT AND I SECOND IT BACK. DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER INPUT FROM THE ? NO, BUT THANK YOU FOR, UM, INCLUDING THAT. I JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THEM AS WELL. WE CAN'T DO A LOT OF WHAT WE DO WITHOUT [01:20:01] . I, I SAY I REALLY LOVE THE ANNUAL REPORT. I THINK IT LOOKS GREAT. ONLY COMMENT IS, YOU KNOW, I NOTICED SOME CHANGES OR SUGGESTIONS, BUT, UH, THE NOW IT'S BEEN PRINTED, UM, AND HOPEFULLY IN THE FUTURE WE'LL BE ABLE TO LOOK AT A DRAFT FOR THE DRAFT BEFORE IS ACTUALLY PRINTED. THEREFORE, IF THERE IS ANY OPPORTUNITY OR REVIEW FOR CHANGE, WE CAN MAKE THAT CHANGE. BUT, UH, IT DOES CONSTITUTE THE WORK. HERE WAS EXCELLENT PUTTING IT TOGETHER. BUT ONE OTHER COMMENT. I ASSUME THAT THIS WILL BE PRESENTED ON THE, UH, ELECTRONIC VERSION AND THIS WILL BE PRESENTED ON OUR WEBSITE. FURTHER INPUT FROM THE COMMISSION. DO WE HAVE ANY INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC? UH, I WOULD, UH, LIKE WE HAVE A MODIFIED MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE THE ETHICS COMMISSION'S 2023 ANNUAL REPORT AND THAT IT BE SUBMITTED WITH A COVER LETTER RECOGNIZING THE SUPPORT OF THE CITY STAFF, THE COVER LETTER TO BE PREPARED BY THE CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR. AND JT COMMISSIONER? AYE. COMMISSIONER? AYE. COMMISSIONER? AYE. COMMISSIONER PAWELL. AYE. COMMISSIONER WHITE. AYE VICE CHAIR PAUL AYE. MOTION AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, RECON RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE A MONTHLY UPDATE FROM THE AD HOC COMMITTEE ON THE LOBBYIST ORDINANCE. DO I HAVE A MOTION? I MOVE APPROVE. AND I, SORRY, I SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER WISE SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER COLEMAN. OKAY. UH, THE AD HOC COMMITTEE ON LOBBYING MET TWICE DURING THIS PRIOR MONTH, INCLUDING ONCE, UH, WITH STAFF SUPPORT. UH, THE AD HOC COMMITTEE CONTINUES TO REVIEW OPTIONS, TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC AND FROM THE FULL COMMISSION. DUE TO THE SCHEDULING OF THE RETREAT. IN MAY, WE EXPECT TO HAVE REVISED RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE FULL COMMISSION IN JUNE. DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION FROM THE COMMISSION? ANY INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC? SORRY. YES. HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE, HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO MEET WITH THE EQUITY OFFICER? I KNOW YOU SAID YOU MET WITH STAFF. YES. I, I I THINK WE REPORTED THAT MEETING DURING THE MARCH. WE HAVE MET WITH THE EQUITY OFFICE AND WE'VE MET WITH CITY REPRESENTATIVES, UH, FOR THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ORGANIZATION AND THE HEALTH ORGANIZATION. AND WE MET WITH, UH, A FISCAL SPONSOR, AN EXECUTIVE FROM FISCAL SPONSOR TO LEARN MORE ABOUT HOW THAT THANK YOU SO MUCH. I'M SORRY, I MISSED THAT. THAT'S ANY FURTHER INPUT FROM THE COMMISSION. PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM. VOTE COMMISSIONER NOR AYE. COMMISSIONER COLEMAN? AYE. MR. DAVE DAVIS? AYE. MR. CHA? AYE. MR. AYE. AYE. MOTION AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE A MONTHLY UPDATE FROM THE AD HOC COMMITTEE ON THE 2020 FOURTH PRIMARY NOMINATING ELECTION CANDIDATE FILES. DO I HAVE A MOTION? I KNOW IF IT MOVED. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. UH, MOVED BY COMMISSIONER NOR SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICTUS. UH, COMMISSIONER NOR COMMISSIONER? YEAH. UM, CHAIR. UH, VICE CHAIR. UM, WE DID THE AD HOC DID NOT MEET SINCE, UH, LAST MONTH, UH, BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN NO FILINGS. THE NEXT FILING DEADLINE IS JULY 31ST. SO WE SHOULD HAVE, WE WILL MEET BEFORE, UH, AFTER JULY 31ST AND REPORT BACK IN AUGUST. OKAY. ANY [01:25:01] OTHER COMMENT FROM THE COMMISSION? NO. ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? JT VOTE. COMMISSIONER. AYE. AYE. AYE. MR. VO? AYE. WHITE. AYE. VICE CHAIR POLL. AYE. MOTION AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE. RECOMMENDATION TO DISCUSS ANTICIPATED AD HOC COMMITTEES FOR UPCOMING PROJECTS AND IF APPROPRIATE, TAKE ACTION TO DISSOLVE, CREATE OR REORGANIZE REAUTHORIZING AD HOC COMMITTEES. UH, I THINK AT THIS TIME WE NEED MOTION. OH, I'M SORRY. YES. I'LL MOVE. AND DO WE HAVE A SECOND? AT THIS TIME, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE CAN DISSOLVE ANY OF THE EXISTING AD HOC COMMITTEES. IS THERE ANY PROPOSAL FOR NEW, NEW COMMITTEES? I PERSONALLY THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE PROBABLY SHOULD DELAY CONSIDERING NEW COMMITTEES UNTIL AFTER WE'VE HAD OUR, UH, STRATEGIC PLANNING OFFSET OR RETREAT. ANY OTHER INPUT FROM THE COMMISSION? ANY PUBLIC COMMENT TO VOTE, YOUR HONOR? AYE. COMMISSIONER COLEMAN? AYE. MR. AYE. MR. AYE. VICE AYE. MOTION AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10. RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE A MONTHLY UPDATE FROM THE ETHICS OFFICER. DO I HAVE A MOTION? I MOVE TO APPROVE? SECOND. I CAN. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER WA SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER COLEMAN. AND YES, THANK YOU FOR CHAIR. UM, JUST A FEW UPDATES. SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE RETREAT A COUPLE TIMES TODAY, SO JUST A REMINDER THAT OUR RETREAT IS NEXT MONTH, MAY 8TH. THIS WILL BE, WE'LL STILL HAVE OUR REGULAR MEETING. WE'LL, UM, BE DILIGENT IN KEEPING THAT PART OF THE AGENDA LIGHT AND, UM, FOCUS ON THE RETREATS. UM, JORGE AND I HAVE GIVEN, UM, OUR EXPECTATIONS OF WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE FROM THE CONSULTANTS. UM, SO I FEEL LIKE THERE'LL BE GOOD, GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME Q AND A AND, AND FEEDBACK, UM, THAT THE COMMISSION CAN PROVIDE. AND WE'RE AT THE WRONG AREAS, HEALTH EQUITY CENTER, AND THIS IS THE SAME SPOT THAT WE WERE AT LAST YEAR. UM, WE ARE HOLDING OUR PUBLIC MEETINGS. WE HAD OUR SECOND MEETING LAST NIGHT. UM, I WAS ON THE MEETING JUST IN THE BEGINNING TO MAKE INTRODUCTIONS AND THEN I GOT OFF . UM, I KNOW THAT WE'RE ALL EAGER TO SUPPORT, BUT I APPRECIATE, UM, I APPRECIATE YOU UNDERSTANDING, UH, NOT PARTICIPATING, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE A BIG TURNOUT, BUT IT WAS, UM, A GOOD TURNOUT. I'VE GOTTEN SOME GOOD FEEDBACK, UM, FROM THOSE THAT WERE THERE. AND HOPEFULLY THE ONE ON MAY 2ND WILL BE A LITTLE BIT, UM, WILL HAVE A FEW MORE PEOPLE THERE WILL, UM, WE'LL TRY TO, TO GET IT OUT THERE AS MUCH AS WE CAN. WE, WE CAN ONLY DO WHAT WE CAN DO. THESE THINGS ARE HARD TO GAUGE. BUT, UM, ANYHOW, SO THAT MEETING WILL BE MAY 2ND FORM 700. UH, WE HAVE A HUNDRED PERCENT COMPLETION RATE WITH OUR CITY EMPLOYEES. YEAH, GOOD JOB. CITY CLERK. AND WE HAVE SIX COMMISSIONERS, UH, THAT STILL HAVE NOT FILED AND THAT'S OUT OF OVER 200 COMMISSIONERS. SO THAT'S PRETTY GOOD. AND I THINK THE CLERK WILL COME BACK IN JUNE WITH A, UM, THEIR FORMAL UPDATE, THE MANAGEMENT RESPONSE UPDATE, UH, TO THE 2020 AUDIT THAT THE COMMISSION ASKED FOR A LAST MEETING. UH, WE ANTICIPATE BRINGING THAT BACK TO YOU IN JULY. UH, WE ARE WORKING WITH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE ON, UM, UPDATING THAT MATRIX, SO EXPECT THAT. UM, I VISITED TWO COMMISSIONS SINCE OUR LAST MEETING. UH, THE POLICE OVERSIGHT COMMISSION AND THE COMMISSION ON, UH, YOUTH. UM, SO BOTH WERE WELL ATTENDED TRAINING UPDATES. UM, I HEARD THROUGH THE GRAPEVINE THAT AB 1234 TRAINING HAS LAUNCHED ON OUR LEARN PLATFORM. UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE ONE OF OUR COMMISSIONERS HAS ALREADY TAKEN IT. WE'RE GIVING GOOD FEEDBACK, SO THAT'S GOOD. I WANNA GIVE ONE MORE [01:30:01] SHOUT OUT TO TAYLOR, WHO, UH, WORKS INCREDIBLY HARD ON THAT. SO WE'RE EXCITED THAT THAT NOW IS LIVING, UM, IN OUR, ON OUR LEARNING PLATFORM. ALSO, WE'RE STILL WORKING WITH TI ON GETTING OUR CODE OF CONDUCT VIDEO UPDATED. UM, EXPECT THAT TO BE TOWARDS THE END OF JUNE, OUR NEWSLETTER. UM, WE WILL LAUNCH THAT ON MONDAY. WE HAVE SPENT SOME TIME, UH, TWEAKING IT A LITTLE BIT MORE THIS WEEK AND THEN I'LL BE OUT TOMORROW ON FRIDAY. SO WE'LL RELEASE IT ON MONDAY. TODAY, I, UM, SAT ON A PANEL AT OUR FIRST SOCAL EPIC SYMPOSIUM THAT WAS HOSTED BY POLITAN WATER DISTRICT. SO THAT WAS A GOOD, FUN EXPERIENCE. I HAD TO LEAVE EARLY TO GET BACK FOR COMMISSION, SO I DIDN'T GET TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE NETWORKING OPPORTUNITY, UH, THAT WAS AT THE END OR THE BEGINNING. 'CAUSE I HAD TO GO IN FOR MY MRI. UM, BUT IT WAS A GOOD EXPERIENCE AND UM, IT WAS NICE TO SEE SOME ENERGY BEHIND GETTING US TOGETHER LOCALLY, UM, AS A NETWORK OF OFFICERS AND AS AND OTHERS IN THAT FIELD. UM, OTHER THAN THAT, JUST BEEN SUPPORTING OUR . THAT'S ALL I HAVE. YEAH, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. THANK, THANK YOU HEATHER. UM, FIRST OF ALL, WHAT OTHER ENTITIES WERE I TALKING YOU WANT TO? I'M INTERESTED. OH MY GOODNESS. UM, METRO WAS THERE. IT WAS HOSTED BY N WD, SO THERE WAS A BIG PRESENCE FROM THERE. UM, DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS FROM LA COUNTY, UM, AGENCIES FROM LA COUNTY, UM, IN THE OTHER STATE. I DIDN'T LA CITY WAS THERE. UM, I DIDN'T, THERE WEREN'T ANY OTHER CITIES THAT WERE ACKNOWLEDGED, BUT AGAIN, UM, BECAUSE I WAS COMING FROM MY MRI APPOINTMENT, I GOT THERE AT LIKE SEVEN MINUTES TO NINE AND MY PANEL STARTED AT NINE AND THEN WE WENT RIGHT INTO THE SECOND PANEL AND THEN I LEFT AFTER THAT DISCUSSION. UM, IT WAS A SMALL GROUP, BUT IT WAS A GOOD GROUP, LIKE 30 PEOPLE OR I WOULD SAY 60. OKAY. YEAH. UM, REGARDING, I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION, UM, REGARDING THE, UM, PUBLIC OUTREACH THAT THE CONSULTANTS DOING. HAVE THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS BEEN ASKED TO NOTIFY THEIR THEIR CONSTITUENTS ABOUT THOSE? BECAUSE I KNOW THEY SEND OUT, I GET A COUPLE OF THEIR WEEKLY LETTERS FROM THE COUNCIL MEMBERS PUT OUT AND THEY ALWAYS HAVE ALL THESE WIRES AT THE END AND, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING YOU CAN GO TO, UM, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED THAT THEY USUALLY MENTION THE COVER LETTER. SO, UM, I JUST THOUGHT THERE'S SOMEONE TO PUSH IT THAT WASN'T BEING DONE. THAT'S, YES, I AM ACTUALLY HANDLING THAT NOT FOR CONSULTANTS. SO YEAH, WE'RE USING ALL OF OUR NORMAL, UM, PATHWAYS THAT WE WOULD USE. BUT AGAIN, UM, I'LL JUST CONTINUE TO, TO REQUEST THAT, THAT THIS INFORMATION BE SHARED. UM, I'LL PROBABLY ASK TYLER TO SUPPORT ME IN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS JUST TO REITERATE THAT WE NEED SOME SUPPORT IN, UH, GETTING THE WORD OUT. 'CAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE DURING THE INTERVIEWS THEY COMMITTED TO HELPING, UM, PROMOTE. YEAH, I, I THINK IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE A SHAME FOR THEIR THERE NOT TO BE MORE PUBLIC INVOLVED. SO IF IT, THIS MIGHT BE OLD FASHIONED, BUT I WOULD, IF YOU SAW CITY COUNCIL PERSON I WOULD SEE OR THEIR HEAD CHIEF OF STAFF, I WOULD JUST TELL PERSONALLY, NOT JUST GO RELY ON, ON EMAIL BECAUSE I THINK, YOU KNOW, PERSONALLY TWISTING THEIR ARM MORE OR LESS AND WE JUST HAVE ONE, ONE MEETING LEFT. RIGHT. TECHNICALLY TWO. YOUR RETREAT CONSIDERED A COUPLE OF MEETINGS. OH, SO YES. ONE IN THE SENSE THAT WE'LL BE PROMOTED AS AND THE ONE THAT WE WON'T BE AT AND, AND MEETING THAT WE WON'T BE AT EACH'S SUPPOSED TO FOSTER MORE, MORE, UM, PEOPLE TO BE HONEST. YES. RIGHT. CANDID. RIGHT. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I TELL. I ASK 'EM TO BE CANDID, BUT KIND COMING. THANK YOU. BUT YEAH, IN THESE PUBLIC MEETINGS, THEY'RE ALWAYS, I THINK ANY PUBLIC SERVANT WILL TELL YOU, UM, THERE, IT'S HARD TO GET PEOPLE TO BE. SOMETIMES 200 PEOPLE SHOW UP AND SOMETIMES TWO PEOPLE SHOW UP AND THAT'S JUST HOW IT WORKS. BUT, SO I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN AND THE FRUSTRATION, BUT WE'LL DO EVERYTHING WE CAN FOR THIS LAST MEETING. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. AND, UH, COMMISSIONER . UH, [01:35:01] THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE, UH, DISCUSSION AROUND THE SOCAL SYMPOSIUM. UH, AND I PRESUME THEN BASED ON YOUR RESPONSE TO COMMISSIONER WEISS'S QUESTION THAT IS JUST REPUBLICAN, UH, IT'S JUST FOR AGENCIES, MUNICIPALITIES, GOVERNMENT ENTITIES AS OPPOSED TO MORE . I GOT THE IMPRESSION THERE WAS A COUPLE PRIVATE CORPORATIONS THERE. UM, IT WASN'T PROMOTED AS PUBLIC ONLY. OKAY. UM, IT WAS VERY GENERAL. SO, UM, BASED ON SOME OF THE Q AND A FROM THE AUDIENCE, THERE WAS SOME PRIVATE SECTOR THERE. IT'S EXCITING THAT IT'S HAPPENING. MM-HMM. , UH, THE OTHER, AND, UH, I UNDERSTAND IT CAN TAKE SOME TIME. UH, YOU REPORTED THAT THE MANAGEMENT RESPONSE TO THE UPDATE TO THE AUDIT WILL BE IN JULY, JULY, JULY. IF THERE'S ANY WAY THAT WE CAN AT LEAST GET A PARTIAL RESPONSE OR A DRAFT OF THAT FOR THE MAY MEETING ONLY BECAUSE I SEE THAT UPDATE IS POTENTIALLY HAVING AN IMPACT ON THOSE STRATEGIC PLANNING DISCUSSIONS. YEAH, I THINK WE, I THINK WE COULD DO THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU HEATHER AND I WILL, UM, WORK ON THAT. BUT I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME GOOD STUFF THAT WAS IDENTIFIED IN THE MEETINGS THAT WE'VE HAD SO FAR THAT ARE READY TO SHARE. SO YEAH, THERE'S SOME STUFF THAT WE CAN REPORT BACK. OKAY. THANK YOU HEATHER. I DO WANNA MAKE SURE WE MENTION THE MEETING IN MAY STARTS EARLY, RIGHT? YES. THANK YOU. TWO O'CLOCK IT GOES LATE. WELL, WE HAVE TO BE OUT OF THE ROOM BY SIX. SO THE ASSUMPTION IS WE'LL DO THE COMMISSION MEETING FROM TWO TO THREE AND THEN THE STRATEGIC PLANNING FOR TWO TO TWO 15 . ANY OTHER INPUT? ANY PUBLIC INPUT? A AYE. COMMISSIONER AYE. COMMISSIONER WISE? AYE. VICE HALL? AYE. MOTION AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11. RECOMMENDATION TO DISCUSS POTENTIAL AGENDA ITEMS FOR FUTURE COMMISSION MEETINGS. DO I HAVE A MOTION? I VOTE TO APPROVE. SECOND. SECOND. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WISE. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER COLEMAN. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY INPUT ON POTENTIAL AGENDA ITEMS FOR FUTURE COMMISSION MEETINGS? ANY INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC? JT TAKE A VOTE. AYE. AYE. AYE COMMISSIONER AYE. AYE. UH, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON NON-AG AGENDA ITEMS? DO WE HAVE ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS? WE ARE ADJOURNED. WE'RE ADJOURN. WOULD YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.