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ALRIGHT.CALL THIS, UH, MEETING ORDER AND, UH, ASK FOR A ROLL CALL FROM MY COURT PLEASE.
HERE, VICE CHAIRMAN HENRY TOVAR.
FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INVIS WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
MOTION TO RECEIVE A MINUTES FROM MARCH 18TH, 2020.
OH, I MOTION TO APPROVE A MINUTE FROM I.
AND BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD, ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE COMMENT ON THE MINUTES? THANK YOU SEEING THEM.
UM, HERE WE'RE TRYING TO SAY THE BOARD OF EXAMINERS APPEALS IN CONDEMNATION IS ESTABLISHED BY LONG BEACH MUNICIPAL CODE SECTION 18 POINT 10.020 TO PROVIDE A FORM TO REVIEW FINDINGS OF THE BUILDING OFFICIAL AND MAKE DETERMINATION TO ABATE SUBSTANDARD CONDITIONS.
THE BOARD ALSO ACCESS HEARING OFFICER AND CONDUCTS A ADMINISTRATIVE HEARING FOR APPEALS OF ADMINISTRATIVE CITATIONS, ASSISTED LEVIES AND APPEALS OF DISABLED ACCESS CASES.
THE BOARD CONDUCTS A HEARING ACCORDING TO ROBERT'S RULES AWARD.
EACH ITEM, THE CLERK WILL READ THE CASE NUMBER AND PROPERTY ADDRESS.
THE PROPERTY OWNER OR OWNER REPRESENTATIVE MAY THEN COME TO THE COURT.
THE STAFF WILL PRESENT THE CASE REPORT AND THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
AT THAT TIME, THE OWNER OR OWNER OF REPRESENTATIVE MAY ADDRESS THE BOARD.
SHOULD YOU WISH TO ADDRESS THE BOARD, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, AND RELATIONSHIP TO THIS POPULATION TODAY.
OR DO, UM, EVERYONE WILL GET SWORN IN.
UM, SO ALL STAFF AND OTHERS PRESENT WISHING TO TESTIFY ON AN ITEM IN THE AGENDA.
YOU DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE EVIDENCE YOU SHALL GIVE IN THIS HEARING SHALL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD.
AT THIS TIME, WE'LL TURN THE BOARD BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PRESENTATION, DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO HEAR THE ITEM? IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, I SHALL MOVE.
SO WE HAVE A FIRST BY LIPSON AND A SECOND BY ESPARZA.
NOW WE'LL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE AND ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK PLEASE LINE UP OR LET US KNOW.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY, WE CAN HEAR THE PRESENTATION.
SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, JUST, I JUST WANNA HAVE STAFF THAT'S GONNA BE DOING THE PRESENTATION AND DO THEMSELVES TO THE BOARD MEMBERS.
AND ALSO IF WE COULD HAVE THE BOARD MEMBERS JUST KIND OF MENTION WHO YOU ARE AND KIND OF WHAT WHAT YOU DO.
YOUR BACKGROUND IS REAL BRIEF, UM, SO THAT THEY CAN UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOUR, YOUR EXPERIENCE IS IN THIS FIELD OF, OF CONSTRUCTION AND, AND SO FORTH.
I'M THE, UM, PRESIDENT OF THE LONG VICE PRESIDENT OF THE LONG BEACH PA VETERAN ADMINISTRATION.
I'M A RESEARCHER AT RANCHO LAS RESEARCH ASSISTANT.
I'M, UH, I CAN JUST GO ON AND I, I BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, I'M THE CHAIRMAN FOR THE PAST I A YEAR, BUT, UH, I'VE BEEN HERE FOR
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I HOW MANY YEARS AND I'M, HI, I'M JANET LIPSON.I'M ONE OF THE NEWER MEMBERS I, MY CONSTRUCTION BACKGROUND IS, I WAS A JOURNEYMAN PLUMBER IN FAIRBANKS, ALASKA AND EVENTUALLY OWNED MY OWN PLUMBING COMPANY WITH MY HUSBAND.
AND WE DID RESIDENTIAL AND SMALL COMMERCIAL PLUMBING AND HEATING.
I'M A LONG BEACH RESIDENT FOR 40 PLUS YEARS AND MY UH, BACKGROUND INCLUDES SOME, UH, LARGE, UH, INDUSTRIAL CONSTRUCTION WORK, SUPERVISING THAT WORK.
MY CONSTRUCTION BACKGROUND IS MORE MODEST.
IT STEMS FROM THE FACT THAT I HAD TO TAKE OVER AS MY OWN GENERAL CONTRACTOR AFTER A GENERAL CONTRACTOR FAILED ME ON A MAJOR RENOVATION PROJECT.
AND IN MY PROFESSIONAL WORK I DO RESEARCH FOR PUBLIC INTEREST GROUPS PRINCIPALLY ON ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES.
I'M A LICENSED SERGEANT IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.
UH, BEFORE THAT I ALSO WORKED FOR A CIVIL ENGINEER, UH, FOR ABOUT SEVEN YEARS.
VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT HERE AND BUILDING SAFETY DEPARTMENT HERE, AS WELL AS LA AND OTHER JURISDICTIONS AS WELL.
I HAVE A BOARD MEMBER FOR THE ANGELES CHAPTER.
WE HAVE ABOUT 4,000 MEMBERS AND I PARTICIPATED ACROSS THE STATE WITH AI CALIFORNIA AS WELL.
UM, WHAT ELSE CAN I TELL YOU? UM, I'M A HOUSING ADVOCATE AND YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN ARRESTED HERE FOR THE LAST, UH, 30 YEARS OFF AND THAT, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I'M THE CITY BUILDING OFFICIAL.
WE RELY HEAVILY ON YOUR JUDGMENT CALL, YOUR DECISION MAKING WHEN IT COME TO SO MANY CHALLENGES.
ART DECISIONS AS A BUILDING OFFICIALS PER, I'VE BEEN A CITY BUILDING OFFICER FOR 11 YEARS AND WE WORKED IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CODE ENFORCEMENT AND PLANNING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT IN LONG BEACH IS PROPERLY BUILT AND MAINTAIN AND SAFE AND SOME PLACE FOR US TO WORK, PLAY AND EXHIBIT IN A NUTSHELL, WE HAVE A SHORT PRESENTATION HERE FOR YOU THAT BEFORE I GET INTO THE BILLING AND SAFETY THAT YOU ALL VERY AWARE OF, I FIGURED MAYBE I'LL PUT ONE SLIDE UP THERE TO TALK ABOUT ONE OR TWO SLIDES ABOUT ALL PURPOSE, WHAT WE DO FOR THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AS ALL MAKEUP OF ALL DEPARTMENT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
AND YOU HAVE A LITTLE PRESENTATION IN FRONT OF YOU IF YOU, YOU TWO USE IN THE FUTURE OR REFERENCE.
BUT YES, OUR PURPOSE IS THIS PAST CASE WORLD IS TO MAKE SURE THAT LONG BEACH IS SAFE.
AND SOME OF YOU HAVE LIVED IN LONG BEACH.
OH YOU REMEMBER LONG BEACH FROM 10, 20 YEARS AGO.
THERE HAS BEEN A HUGE RENAISSANCE, HUGE UPGRADE OF WHAT THE CITY WAS TO WHAT THEY DID.
NOW I'M HERE TO TELL YOU THAT THE DIRECTION CONTINUE OLYMPICS IS COMING HERE.
LOT OF OTHER PROJECT UNDERWAY THAT WILL MAKE SURE THAT LONG ANTICIPATED, YES, HOW MANY YEARS? AND THIS IS ONLY POSSIBLE BY HAVING A DEPARTMENT OF THE COMMUNITY, RIGHT? THIS IS WHAT WE DO.
THE DEPARTMENT CONSISTS OF FIVE GROUPS.
MANNING COLLEAGUES OF MINE WILL BE PRESENTING ON THE PLANNING SIDE OF THIS BUILDING A SAFETY.
WE ARE THE LARGEST GROUP IN THE DEPARTMENT.
SO THAT'S, MAYBE THAT'S WHY REASON I'M STANDING IN FRONT.
BUT THE DEPARTMENT IS ABOUT TWO PEOPLE TAKE TO 2020 PEOPLE.
AND DURING SAFETY WE'RE GONNA HAVE ABOUT 90 PEOPLE.
WHEN WE ARE HIRED, EVERYBODY JUST GIVE PROPORTION OF THE SIZE.
AND WHAT WE DO FOR LONG ARE WHAT IT TAKES TO RUN THE DEPARTMENT.
THIS, THIS SIZE OBVIOUSLY CODE ENFORCEMENT COLLEGE GROUP AND ANGELA
UH, THEN WE ALSO HAVE
SO I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA BE PRESENTING TODAY.
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THE THE DEPOSIT.ALRIGHT, SAFETY IS RECEIVES AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE RECEIVE PLANS, WE REVIEW PLANS, WE APPROVED PLAN, WE GO OUT AND INSPECT THE PROJECT ALL THE WAY TODAY.
IT COULD BE AN ARCHITECTURAL PROJECT, PLUMBING PROJECT, LARGE DEVELOPMENT PROJECT.
IT COULD BE DISABLED ACCESS TYPE PROJECT, A TO Z.
I'VE TRIED TO LIST A BUNCH OF THESE PROJECTS.
COULD BE A RESTAURANT, IT COULD BE A A DU, IT COULD BE A MAJOR ELECTRICAL INSTALLATION.
IT COULD BE PORT PROJECT, IT COULD BE AIRPORT PROJECT, IT COULD BE SHOPPING MALLS LIKE SECOND AND PCH, ALL THIS.
AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL APARTMENTS THAT'S FLOURISHING EVERYWHERE IN LONG BEACH.
THERE WERE OF FOUR CODE OR BIBLE IS THE BUILDING CODE THAT YOU ALL KNOW.
WE ALL FOLLOW THAT PRETTY MUCH.
ENFORCEMENT AND BILLING SAFETY OR ENGINEERS OR INSPECTORS.
THE ARCHITECTS ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT.
ENGINEERS ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT.
BUT THERE'S ALWAYS A NEED FOR EQUALITY.
NO MATTER HOW MUCH AN ARCHITECT SPEND TIME IN DEVELOPING PLANTS OR CONTRACTOR DEVELOPED FENCE FOR ENGINEER.
THERE'S ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS THESE PARTS.
AND THAT'S BASICALLY OVER THE PATH TO MAKE SURE THAT WE NEED THE INTENT TO FIRE LIFE SAFETY MATTERS.
WE'LL GET TO IT A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT
NOW HERE'S THE FOCUS OF DEALING AND SAFETY.
REMEMBER WE ARE FIRED HEROES GETTING AND SAFETY, THE LARGEST BUREAU.
THIS IS WHAT WE, I HAVE AN OFFICE OFFICIAL TO MAKE CERTAIN DECISIONS TO RUN THE STAFF OF RS CENTER OF CENTER PEOPLE.
AND ALSO THE RESPECT, THE SAFETY PRETTY MUCH COMPRISES OF
WE WOULD GET A LITTLE BIT MORE INTO DETAIL OF WHAT FUNCTION THEY ARE BECAUSE AT THE END IF EVERYTHING IS COPACETIC, IF ALL THE PROJECT IS ALL FINAL, THEN WE ISSUE
OCCUP ISSUANCE OF CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY MEANS YOU ALLOW PEOPLE OCCUPANTS TO MOVE INTO THE BUILDING.
IT ALSO MEANS THAT CONTRACTOR IS RELIEVED FROM A LOT OF RESPONSIBILITIES.
BANKS RELEASE LOANS, UTILITIES PROVIDE UTILITY TO THE BUILDING.
SO THAT PIECE OF PAPER AT THE END IS THE CLEARANCE FOR A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT HAVE
ALL, ALL THAT IS ALL TIED TOGETHER AND THAT'S BASICALLY ARE OVERSEER.
AND EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE WE GET CHALLENGED BECAUSE OF THOSE DECISIONS WE HAVE TO MAKE.
AND THOSE DECISIONS, AS YOU ALL KNOW, IS THEY'RE NOT CHEAP.
WE CAN'T BE STOPPING A CONCRETE TRUCK TO COME TO A JOB, WHICH COSTS NOWADAYS A THOUSAND TO 1500 BUCKS ALL THE WAY TO STOP A JOB THAT MAYBE 200,000 BUCKS A DAY.
SO THAT'S THE MAGNET, THE FORCE PRESSURE AND INVOLVEMENT THAT WE HAVE.
WHEN WE SAY NO, SOMETIMES WHEN WE SAY NO OR WE HAVE TO SAY NO, THEN WE GET CHALLENGED, THEN WE COME TO YOU.
SO, OKAY, IF YOU'RE CHALLENGED THIS INDIVIDUAL, THAT INDIVIDUAL DOESN'T LIKE YOUR DECISION, PLEASE VOTE.
THAT IS THE LEADER IN ADDITION TO ALL THAT, BESIDE BI SERVES TWO FUNCTIONS.
10 YEARS AGO WORKING WITH CORE GROUP AND THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR AT THE TIME, WE COMBINED TWO BOARDS TOGETHER.
ONE IS BI, THE OTHER ONE IS DISABLED ACCESS COMPLIANCE BOARD.
DID YOU ALSO SERVE THAT FUNCTION IN ORDER TO PRODUCE EFFICIENCY? CITY USED TO HAVE TWO BOLTS THAT WAS COMBINED
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AND YOU MAY RECEIVE SOME DISABLED ACCESS COMPLIANCE CHALLENGE, WHICH GOES BACK TO THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT, GOES BACK TO A LOT OF HISTORY.PEOPLE HAVE ESPECIALLY DISABLED, UH, OBVIOUSLY IN A BUILDING CALLED SPECIFIC SECTIONS ABOUT THEIR REQUIREMENTS.
EVERY ARCHITECT IS FAMILIAR WITH IT AND WE FOLLOW THAT BASED ON THE PROVISIONS AND STANDARDS OF CHAPTER 11 A AND 11 D THAT YOUR BOARD WILL POTENTIALLY BE CONSIDERING THOSE KIND OF CHALLENGES.
FURTHER MOVING DOWN THE LINE, WE ARE CUSTODIANS OF THE RECORDS FOR THE CITY, WHICH WE TAKE THAT VERY SERIOUS WHEN EVERY ARCHITECT, ENGINEER OR DEVELOPER HOMEOWNER DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHEN THE PROJECT IS FINAL, WE HIT AN ADD AN ARCHIVE.
SO IT'S LIKE A BOOK THAT YOU NEED TO READ.
SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE BOOK 10 YEARS DOWN THE LINE, THE PROJECT.
VERY DIGITIZED SYSTEM OF ARCHIVES HERE, WHICH THAT ARCHIVE COULD BE RELEASED TO THE INDIVIDUAL BASED ON CERTAIN CONDITIONS.
WE DO ALL THE PROJECT ADVOCACY IN, IN THE BUILDING CITY.
SO ANY NEW A DU, ANY NEW FACILITY, ANY PROJECT THAT NEEDS ADDRESS NEEDS TO COME TO US.
ADDRESS IS SUBSTANTIALLY IMPORTANT AS YOU KNOW, NOT JUST BECAUSE OF THE MAIL COMING TO YOUR PLACE.
IT'S BECAUSE UTILITIES, WE RELEASE THEIR SERVICES PER THE ADDRESS.
SO IF YOU DON'T HAVE ADDRESS, YOU DON'T HAVE UTILITIES, I WOULD FIND YOU IN THE GROUP BUILDING SEISMIC RESILIENCE.
MAJOR, MAJOR UNDERTAKING, AS YOU ALL KNOW, LONG BEACH WAS THE CENTER OF THEIR CREEK IN 1933.
THAT'S WHERE THE
THEY RECENTLY CHANGED THEIR NAME.
THEY'RE NOT CALLED
ANOTHER THING THAT WE TAKE PRETTY SERIOUS TOMORROW, THERE IS AN EARTHQUAKE.
WHAT THE BUILDING SAFETY IS GOING DO, WHAT THE CODE ENFORCEMENT IS BASICALLY LIES ON COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
ENERGY AND GREEN BUILDING CODES, COMPLIANCE, ENERGY CODE CALIFORNIA.
WE ARE PIONEER IN THE ENERGY CODE OF THE WORLD.
THE COUNTRY SINCE 1970, ENERGY CODE HAS BEEN AROUND 75 MOST RECENTLY AFTER ARNOLD WEISER LEFT THE OFFICE, HE WANT TO HAVE HIS OWN GREEN BUILDING CODE.
SO UNDER HIS OVERSEE THE GREEN GREEN BUILDING CODE CAME ABOUT THAT HE BEEN ENFORCE WATER QUALITY MANAGEMENT.
NOWADAYS THE WATER THAT RUNS INTO THE OCEAN HAS TO BE CLEANED BECAUSE WE CONTAMINATE THE FISH IN ORDER NOT TO DO THAT.
EVERYTHING STARTS FROM EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF PROPERTY IN PAST LONG WOOD DAYS, THE PROPERTY IS DRAIN TO THE STREETS.
PROPERTY IS NOT TO BE LIKE A DISH.
THEY HAVE TO CONTAIN THEIR OWN WATER, RAIN, WATER.
SO JUST COMPLETELY REDESIGN OF THE PROJECT.
RIGHT? AND I'M JUST USING THIS AN EXAMPLE.
THIS IS HOW YOU USE, YOU WANT TO KEEP THE BUILDING HIGH.
SO WATER GOES TO A TOTAL BUNCH OF REGRADING AND CONFLICTS RIGHT THERE.
AND THEN OILS LONG BEACH WAS THE CENTER OF OIL AT ONE TIME.
THAT RESPONSIBLE WAS GIVEN TO THE BILLING AND SAFETY.
TWO OVERSEAS WE HAVE ABOUT 2,400 WELLS IN LONG BEACH THAT ARE SOME
SO IN THE BUILDING OF SAFETY, WE OVERSEE ALL THAT TOO.
JUST FOR YOU TO KNOW, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, NOT A QUESTION, BUT A STATE BY THE WAY, THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE INTERACTIVE.
JUST BECAUSE YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU DEALING SAFETY AND RULES AND ALL OF THIS, UH, AND NOT THAT IT MATTERS TO ME, BUT WHEN YOU SHOW A PICTURE OF SOMEBODY DRIVING AND THEY TAKE A PICTURE WITH A CAMERA, IT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD EITHER.
SO YOU THAT'S PROBABLY MY CAR.
SO, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE PEOPLE, I LIKE BUILDINGS, I TAKE PICTURES.
WHY DO YOU HAVE SO MUCH BUILDING PICTURES WITH MY CAT CAR?
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ALRIGHT, PERMISS CENTER, EVERYTHING STARTS AT DISNEY.YOU COME TO OUR SECOND PRO OF THE BILLING DEPARTMENT TO PULL PERMIT.
WHEN YOU ASK CITY PEOPLE WHO IS BILLING DEPARTMENT, WHO IS GOVERNMENT, THEY THINK OF THAT SECOND FLOOR PEOPLE THAT THEY DEAL WITH.
SO WE ARE VERY, VERY CONCERNED WHERE STAFF ARE VERY TRAINED TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE CUSTOM FRIENDLY, HELPFUL TO A POINT THAT I CAN STAND IN FRONT OF YOU AND SAY, WE ARE ONE OF THE BETTER CITIES IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA.
AND IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME, WELCOME TO CHECK WITH OTHER CITY.
IF YOU WANT US TO GIVE YOU A TOUR OF IT, WE'D BE GLAD ANY DAY.
UH, BUT BASICALLY ON THE SECOND FLOOR, MAYBE THIS AFTERNOON BEFORE YOU LEAVE, I DUNNO IF YOU'VE BEEN ON THE FLOOR, YOU'RE WELCOME TO WALK IT.
WE HAVE A CENTER THAT'S PRETTY BRAND NEW STATE OF ART.
WE MOVED TO THIS BUILDING RIGHT BEFORE COVID, BY THE WAY, UH, NOVEMBER OF 20 OCTOBER, 2019.
SO THIS IS, IS VERY, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A VERY EFFICIENT, BUT BASICALLY WHAT HAPPENS AT THE COUNTER, AT THE PERMIT CENTER, YOU COME TO A POINT, YOU ARE GREETED.
YOU, YOU ASK YOUR QUESTION, THEY TELL YOU WHERE YOU NEED TO GO, YOU'S THE POINT, THEN YOU GO TO THE COUNTER.
SO AT THE COUNTER YOU RECEIVE THE PROJECTS ARE RECEIVED.
THEN WE'VE GOT ANOTHER GROUP CALLED GENERAL FILES THAT THEY KEEP, THEY MAINTAIN ALL THE RECORDS THAT COME IN, ALL THE DIGITIZED RECORDS.
NOW THAT COMES IN, WE HAVE CASHIER WHEN THE PROCESS IS DONE, SOMETIMES THE OVER COUNTER, SOMETIMES THEY TAKE COUPLE MONTHS FOR THE APPROVAL, BUT YOU'VE GOT TO PAY YOUR PART FOR PERMIT AND PLAN.
SO WE HAVE A GROUP OF CASHIERS THAT WE TAKE OF THE FEES AND COLLECTION AND OUR, THAT IS OUR PERMIT CENTER STAFFED WITH 20 PERMIT TECHNICIAN AT THIS JUNCTION.
I WANT ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES TIED TO COME IN.
YOU HEAR FROM OR LEAD ENGINEERING ABOUT
I HAVE ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE LAST SLIDE.
I NOTICED THAT THE URL ENDS WITH THE WORD SOLAR PERMIT.
IS THERE SOME SPECIAL PERMITTING FOR SOLAR PROJECTS? YES.
THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA HAD A MANDATE FOR THE BUILDING AND SAFETY FOR THE CITIES LARGER THAN FOR ABOUT HALF A MINUTE TO AUTOMATE SOLAR PERMITTING AS OF LAST
IN OTHER WORDS, WE WERE OBLIGATED TO DEVELOP A SYSTEM OF SOLAR PERMITS THAT AN APPLICANT CAN SUBMIT ONLINE, PAY ONLINE AND PULL PERMIT ALL ONLINE FOR 38.4 KILOWATT MAXIMUM, WHICH IS A LARGE NUMBER OF SOLAR PANELS.
AND TODAY IN LONG BEACH, IF YOU HAVE A SOLAR PROJECT, RESIDENTIAL SOLAR PROJECT UP TO 38.4 KILOWATT, YOU CAN GO ONLINE, SUBMIT YOUR PROJECT, DO A CHECKLIST, AND IF YOU COMPLY WITH THE CHECKLIST, THE SYSTEM PROMPT.
YOU PAY, YOU PAY AND YOU PULL YOUR PERMIT ON, ON, ON THAT YES.
YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT UM, HOW YOU CAN GET A PERMIT, UM, HOW MANY STAFF YOU HAVE ON A ANNUAL BASIS, HOW MANY PROJECTS, WHAT IS THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF PROJECTS THAT EACH ENGINEER, WHETHER IT BE BUILDING SAFETY, STRUCTOR OR MECHANICAL ELECTRICAL.
WHAT IS THE MAXIMUM PROJECT THEY NEED TO REVIEW? DO THEY HAVE THE TIME? AND ALSO BECAUSE OUR COMMISSION HERE IS, YOU KNOW, SOME STORIES THAT SOMETIMES IT FEELS LIKE STAFF, YOU KNOW, GIVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO, YOU KNOW, GET THE BEST ADVICE FROM, YOU KNOW, FOR LOCAL JURISDICTION.
UH, DO YOU HAVE AN INTAKE, UM, OR WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE CALLED A TACTICAL MEETING WHERE BEFORE MEETING YEAH, BEFORE THE PROJECT STARTS, YOU KNOW, AND YOU MEET WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND YOU MEET WITH BUILDING SAFETY AND PLANNING AND ALTOGETHER YOU KIND OF FLUSH OUT THE ISSUES.
DO YOU STILL PROVIDE THAT TYPE OF OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO MEET? CORRECT.
YOU HAD A VERY COMPOUND QUESTION, BUT LET ME ASK YOU ONE QUESTION, WHICH IS, WHICH IS WE LIKE THIS INTERACTION.
I'M, I'M ACTUALLY ENCOURAGED BY HEARING THAT WE PROVIDE PRELIMINARY REVIEW BEFORE ANY PROJECT GIVEN STUFF BEFORE WE GO THROUGH THE FORMAL PROCESS OF
THE INFORMAL PROCESS OF PRELIMINARY, WE DO ALL THE TIME.
AND APPLICANT CALLS, LIKE I HAD TWO CALLS TODAY.
THE OTHER PROJECT THAT THERE ADE NEEDS HANDHOLDING.
WE CALL IT PRELIMINARY REVIEW.
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BUILDING DEPARTMENT PLANNING FOR AN HOUR, MEETING WITH THAT APPLICANT TO GIVE HIM A, WE PULL ALL OVER THE PROJECT, SOMETIMES ONLINE, SOMETIMES IN PERSON, AND WE PROVIDE A PRELIMINARY COMMENT.THEY TAKE THAT PRELIMINARY COMMENT.
WE ALSO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE FORMAL PROCESS CALLED CAC MEETING.
THAT'S TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING.
THAT'S MANAGED BY THE PLANNING DIVISION.
AND PLANNING CAN ALSO ELABORATE ON THAT.
AT THAT JUNCTION YOU RECEIVE PLANNING, NOT JUST BUILDING.
AND AS YOU PROBABLY GET BIGGER AND BIGGER, WE HAVE THESE TWO PROCESS BEFORE ACTUAL FORMAL PROCESS.
I WILL LEAVE THAT BACK TO A PLANNING DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THEY CAN DO MUCH BETTER JOB THAN I THAT, THAT ON YOUR NUMBERS AND THE STATISTICS, WE DO ABOUT 50,000 PHONE CALLS A YEAR HERE IN LONG BEACH.
WE DO ABOUT 12,000 FORMAL PERMITS IN LONG BEACH AND THOUSAND A MONTH ISSUE.
OUT OF THAT HALF OF THEM, OR 40% OF THEM ARE MAJOR, 60% OF THEM ARE MINOR.
LIKE SOLARS ARE MINOR PATIO COVERS ARE MINOR.
THAT SOME ARE ABOUT 2,500 PROJECT FORMALLY COMING.
BIG JOBS THAT CANNOT BE HANDLED OVER THE COUNTER.
SO DIVIDE 2,500 BY 25%, JUST GIVE YOU SOME BALLPARK NUMBERS.
WHAT HAPPENS DURING THE YEAR AS WELL.
SOME WORK, THE EASIER WORK IS HANDLED AT THE PERMIT CENTER, WHICH I'M NOT INCLUDING, BUT TO GIVE YOU PERSPECTIVE, THE LARGER ONE THAT YOU'RE FOCUSING ON IS ABOUT THAT KIND OF, I HOPE I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION.
YEAH, ABOUT, AND I ACTUALLY HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION FOR YOU.
IT'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING YOU AND I SPOKE ABOUT I THINK A FEW YEARS AGO.
UM, I KNOW THERE IS A STATE REQUIREMENT BEING DEVELOPED FOR SOFT STORY RETROFIT.
AND THAT HAVE WE YET ADOPTED, UM, REGULATIONS FOR SOFT STORY RETROFIT IN LONG BEACH? OR IS THAT STILL PENDING? WE HAVE A VOLUNTEER PROGRAM FOR
THERE IS A GOOD INITIATIVE RESURRECTING, WHICH WE NEED THE OBVIOUSLY THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL THAT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE GATHERED DATA.
WE HAVE HIRED A CONSULTANT, ASSEMBLED THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED TO WALK TO THE COUNCIL AND GET THEIR SUPPORT.
THERE HAS BEEN STAFF SUPPORT FOR THAT PROGRAM THAT NOW WE ARE GOING THROUGH AN OUTREACH PROGRAM TO BUILD A, UH, POLITICAL SUPPORT TO GET THAT TO THE NEXT LAB.
BUT WE ANTICIPATE NEXT YEAR TO COME UP WITH A VOLUNTEER PROGRAM FOR SOME STUFF.
AND I ACTUALLY DID A VOLUNTEER PROGRAM SOME YEARS AGO AFTER SPEAKING WITH YOU A FEW YEARS AGO.
UM, AND IT MUST HAVE WORKED BECAUSE THE BUILDING HAS NOT YET FALLEN DOWN DUE TO EARTHQUAKE.
WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING VOLUNTEER, VOLUNTEER PROGRAM.
BUT UH, OBVIOUSLY FOR A CITY LIKE THIS, EVENTUALLY A MANDATORY PROGRAM WILL BE.
HOW MUCH OF YOUR STAFF, AND YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW IT TENDS TO GET, UH, OVERLOOKED 'CAUSE ME BEING, UH, A WHEELCHAIR USER FOR SINCE 1987, AUTO ACCIDENT, UM, EVEN WORKING AT, UH, RANCHO LOS AMIGOS, WHICH IS A, A HUGE, UH, FACILITY.
HOW MUCH OF YOUR STAFF ARE ACTUAL LIKE USERS THAT GET TO BE INVOLVED WITH THE PLANNING? BECAUSE I FOUND THAT, UH, OVER THE YEARS I SEE A LOT OF, UH, ORGANIZATIONS THAT DO, YOU KNOW, PLANNING, UH, BUILDINGS, DRIVEWAYS, THIS AND THAT.
THEY TEND TO HAVE SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T USE LIKE A WHEELCHAIR LIKE MYSELF.
AND THEY, AND THEY HAVE A, THE A DA CODE IS KIND OF UM, UH, YOU KNOW, AMBIGUOUS OR YOU KNOW, SO, SO I'VE SEEN BUILDINGS BIG MADE WITH THE, WHERE THE BATHROOMS ARE WRONG, THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND SO HOW MUCH, UH, INVOLVEMENT WITH THE, YOU KNOW, USERS DO YOU HAVE IN YOUR PERFECT, YOU SAID, I'M GONNA TAKE A POSITION, MAKE STATEMENT, I'M GONNA JUSTIFY WHAT I'M SAYING NOW.
THAT MAY NOT SURPRISE YOU, BUT IN MY MIND, AS THE CITY VISITING OFFICIAL AND YOU HEAR FROM SOMEONE OF OUR STAFF OR CATS CERTIFIED, WE GOTTA GET COMPLIANCE FOR DISABLED ACTIONS.
WE PUSH HARD FOR, IF YOU SEE DISCREPANCIES OUT THERE, IT'S BECAUSE THIS CITY WASN'T BUILT TODAY.
THERE ARE SPECIFIC RULES, HOW YOU APPROACH A COMPLIANCE.
IF SOMETHING THEN HAPPENS AS TO COMPLIANCE,
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IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN AROUND FOR IS TENANT IMPROVEMENT COMES PHASE FIVE THINGS, SOMETHING HISTORICSO IN THE STORY OF TITLE 24, DISABLED ACCESS, I WILL LEAVE IT TO TIE BECAUSE IT'S ONE EXPERTS.
WE GOT THREE CAST EXPERTS IN IN OFFICE, THE STAFF MAY, ANY QUESTIONS I CAN ENTERTAIN, I'LL COME BACK A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT I LIKE OH, THANK YOU.
UM, I THINK BOTH UNDER DAVID FOR SO LONG IS ABSOLUTELY OKAY.
I'M THE SENIOR CIVIL ENGINEER.
I SAY HELLO, HOW ARE YOU? AND I'D LOVE TO COME BACK.
UM, SO, UM, THANK YOU FOR A VERY
IT'S, I'M SO GLAD TO BE ON THE LEADERSHIP OF DAVID
UH, I BEEN OFFICIAL FOR MANY YEARS NOW.
I FORGOT I'VE BEEN WITH CITY FOR SO LONG.
UM, FORGOT HOW MANY YEARS I'VE BEEN WITH CITY.
UM, AND UH, UM, AND YES, SO BEFORE I JUMP TO THE COM, THE CONTENT, I'D LIKE TO HAVE A QUICK INTRODUCTION OF MY, UH, PLAN WITH
UH, WE HAVE ALL THE BEST THAT WE CAN HAVE.
UH, TWO OF OUR ENGINEERS AS SENIOR STRUCTURE ENGINEER.
THIS IS THE MOST PRESI STRUCTURE LESSON.
WE HAVE CURRENTLY HAVE TWO CAST CERTIFICATION.
IT'S A CERTIFIED ACCESS SPECIALIST.
AND ASK QUESTION LAST IS WHEN WE COUNT ON HOW THE BEST TO ADDRESS OUR QUESTION WHEN IT COMES TO ACCESSIBILITY.
AND YES, UH, THE GOAL IS TRY TO MAKE IT AS MUCH COMPLIANCE AS POSSIBLE.
UH, JUST A QUICK THING TO JUMP TO THAT.
BRAND NEW CONSTRUCTION, NEW COMMERCIAL BUILDING GOT GOT TO GO A HUNDRED PERCENT.
WE GO TO THAT IN A MOMENT, UH, BECAUSE IT'S VERY HARD TO PUT A TAG.
UM, IT IS SOUNDS SIMPLE, BUT IT'S A LITTLE BIT TRICKY TO MAKE THE BUSINESS OWNER TO TAKE OF THAT PARTICULAR IF IT'S SIX BUILDING AND WE DON'T HAVE THE PE LICENSE.
BASICALLY IT'S THE PROFESSIONAL LICENSE IN CIVIL ENGINEER, MECHANICAL ENGINEER AND ELECTRIC ENGINEER.
UM, OUR GOAL IS NOT TO SAY NO AND THE CUSTOMER SAY, I WANT THIS.
NO, NO, YOU CAN DO IT, BUT THIS IS HOW YOU DO IT.
UH, WE PROVIDE SOLUTION ALTERNATIVE.
SOLUTION SEEMS TO BE VERY EXPENSIVE
UH, UNLESS THERE'S NO OTHER WAY TO GET WELL, WE'LL SAY NO, BUT THERE IS A WAY, THERE IS A LIGHT, THERE IS DIRECTION TO GO FORWARD.
UM, UM, SO, UH, GO BACK TO UH, THE BUILDING PLAN CHECKS.
UM, EVERY THREE YEARS, THE CODES, UM, CIRCLE START TO MOVE FORWARD.
UH, SO EVERY THREE YEARS THE CODE GET THICKER AND THICKER, BIGGER AND MORE REQUIREMENT.
UH, EVERY THREE YEARS THE PLAN CHECK DIVISION HAVE TO GO BACK TO CITY COUNCIL PROPOSED AMENDMENT ADOPTION.
UH, AND IT IS UNDER CHAPTER 18.
AND BEFORE WE HAVE VERY FEW, UH, CODE SECTION.
NOW WE HAVE 11, UH, STUDY FOR PART ONE FOR ADMIN CODE, CODE, BUILDING CODE, MESSING AGAINST THE CODE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO FIVE CODE EIGHT 60 CODE AND GREEN BUILDING SEVEN CODE.
WE HAVE TOTALLY 11 POWER ON TWO, WE HAVE A SUBPAR, WHICH IS BACK 2.5, SO TOTALLY 12 PART TOTALLY SOLELY CODE ION.
AND THE CODE ADDITION USING AT THIS TIME 2022 ANTICIPATION.
UH, WE HAVE ANOTHER 2025 COMING UP AND AS SUSPECTED THERE WILL BE MORE INTRODUCTION OF ADDITIONAL SUPPLEMENTAL CODE
UM, BUT THAT ALL FALLS FROM THE TITLE 24, RIGHT? UH, CORRECT, YES.
IN CALIFORNIA, UH, ALL THE COOPERATION FALL TO THE TITLE 24, CORRECT? WE HAVE TITLE 24 ENERGY WE CALL.
IT'S AT THE TITLE 24, CORRECT? YES.
UM, SO FOR THE UH, PROJECT REVIEW REVISION, UH, THERE ARE FOUR FOUR FOCUSES.
UH, THE FIRST ONE IS VERY IMPORTANT.
STRUCTURE, SAFETY, THE BUILDING GOT TO BE SAFE.
UM, THAT FIRST WOULD BE GRAVITY LOADING.
SO THE ROOF STRUCTURE HAS TO BE SAFE.
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FRIENDLY, THE PROBATION, IF IT'S OPEN LIKE THIS, THEY GOT TO BE BEAM TO HOLD IT.OTHERWISE SOME, SOMETHING HAS TO HOLD THE LOT ABOVE.
UM, SO THE BUILDINGS HAVE TO BE BUILT AND, AND STANDING, BUT THAT'S NOT ENOUGH.
WHENEVER IT, THE GROUND START TO SHAKE THE BE COLLAPSE, THAT'S WHAT WE COME TO.
BESIDE SUPPORTING THE BUILDING TO STAND UNDER THE GRAVITY LOAD, WE DO HAVE TO FOCUS ON GRAVITY LOAD SEISMIC.
WHAT IS SETTING, WHAT BUILDING BLOW BY EVERY, AND THIS IS ALL COME DOWN TO HOW TO DESIGN THE BUILDING TO MAKE SURE BUILDING RESIST AND WOOD.
UH, THAT IS ALSO VERY IMPORTANT PART AN ELEMENT FOR THE SUPPORT OF THE STRUCTURE, THE SAFETY BUILDING.
SO ALL THE CONSIDERATIONS SUCH AS SOY, WHAT TYPE OF SOIL WE HAVE, HOW THE DRAINAGE OF WEIGHTING, OTHER THING THAT MAY IMPACT TO THE SAFETY OF THE BUILDING.
THE SECOND FOCUS, UH, IS ABOUT FIVE BLOOD SAFETY, ANCY AND TYPE CONSTRUCTION.
SOME, UH, ANCY MAY BE LESS, SOME MAY BE MORE SUCH AS IF WE HAVE A ASSEMBLY SCHOOL BUILDING WHERE THERE A LITTLE KID HAVE LITTLE UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THINGS TO BE WHEN THERE'S A BIG CROWD, WHEN THERE'S EMERGENCY, PEOPLE START TO RUST AND BASICALLY PUSH ONE ANOTHER.
SO THOSE TYPE OCRACY WILL BE MORE FOCUS.
NOW PACKED WE POSTED HAVE BE OPEN AND NOT HAVE TO SWING ON THE SAME DIRECTION OF TRAVEL.
OTHERWISE WE JAM THE PEOPLE IN BETWEEN.
UH, SOME OTHER LESS HAZARDOUS, LESS, UM, CONSIDERATION.
LIKE HAVE ONLY OF ONE FAMILY LIVING THERE.
SO THEY KNOW EXACTLY HOW THE DOOR, HOW THE WINDOW, HOW TO GET OUR BUILDING.
BUT WHEN WE HAVE A BIG CROWD OF PEOPLE, THAT'S WHERE IT'S MORE IMPORTANT TO FOCUS ON.
ALSO, THIS IS ONE STORY BUILDING OR FIVE STORY BUILDING OR 20 STORY BUILDING IS A TAKE TO SITUATION FOR LESS STORY, LIKE ONE OR TWO STORY.
MOST OF TIMES WHAT YOU SEE IS LIKE WOOD FRAME EXTRACTION,
UM, BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S STRONG, IT'S POWERFUL AND MOSTLY IT CAN TAKE A LOT MEANING, UH, IN TERMS OF TAM GRAVITY LOAD AND NATURAL LOAD.
UM, SO THE BUILDING SAFE, WHAT ABOUT HOW TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE USE THAT SAFELY? THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT EXITS, THE PEOPLE HAVE PEOPLE, PEOPLE TO LEAVE THE BUILDING SAFELY AND PROTECT IT, UM, UNDER CERTAIN VISION, THAT THREE BASIC COMPONENT? NO, NO.
YES, THERE ARE THREE COMPONENTS THAT WE HAVE ACCESS EXIT.
UH, THE MOTION HAS TO GO GET INTO A SAFE LOCATION WITH THE HALLWAY CORRIDOR AND THEN GET TO A STAIR SHAFT, THE STAIRS SHAFT TO PROTECTED, UH, ANY TENANTS OR GUESTS.
ONE, THE PERSON GIVE TO THE STAIR SHAFT, IT SHOULD BE PROTECTED SAFELY, EXIT OUT TO THE OUTSIDE THE BUILDING.
UH, SOME OTHER COMPONENT THAT TACKLE THE CASE OF THE FILE SUCH AS
AND THEY COME TO THE QUESTION OF ACCESSIBILITY.
UM, SO THIS USE, THIS IS THE OUTPUT FOCUS BUT HAS BEEN BECOME A LOT MORE ESSENTIAL, UM, BY TODAY.
EVERYTHING'S ALL ABOUT ACCESSIBILITY.
UM, WE, UH,
WE CALL UNRU AMENDMENT OR UNRU ACT.
WHAT THEY SAY IS A VIOLATION AGAINST THE ACCESSIBILITY.
IT IS A CIVIL RIGHT VIOLATION.
ANOTHER WAY IS, UM, IT IS ESTABLISHED AN EQUAL, RIGHT, AN EQUAL EXPERIENCE.
IF SOMEONE OR PERSON ABLE TO GET TO AN ENJOY OR BENEFIT OR A SERVICE, IT HAS TO BE AVAILABLE TO EVERYONE.
THE PERSON WITH DISABILITY, UM, HAS TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS EVERYTHING THAT PERSON COULD NOT BE LIMITED TO.
NOT JUST THE MOBILITY, BE A VISION, BE HEARING FOR ANYTHING AS LONG AS UH, THERE'S SOME CERTAIN VISIBILITY.
THAT PERSON SHOULD HAVE A SAME RIGHT, TO ENJOY EQUAL ACCESS AND EQUAL ENJOYMENT JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.
UH, WHEN IT COMES TO ACCESSIBILITY, IT'S ALL
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COME DOWN TO UH, NOT JUST ONLY THE INSIDE SWING, THE SURFACE, THE COUNTER, THE TABLE, THE CHAIR, THE RESTROOM, BUT HOW TO GET THAT PERSON THERE IS, IT IS STARTING WITH WHAT ABOUT ACCESSIBLE PRACTICE SPACE? WHAT ABOUT THE STREET? HOW TO GET THEM THERE? WHERE IS THE PRIMARY PART JOB FOR THAT PERSON FOR THE STREET AND FROM THE ACCESSIBLE PRACTICE SPACE TO GET INSIDE OF SPACE.UM, AND NOW BACK TO YOUR QUESTION, IF IT'S A BRAND NEW CONSTRUCTION BUILDING, GOT TO DO IT.
WELL, WHAT CAN WE DO? YOU GOING TO HAVE, UH, ACCESSIBLE BACK SPACE.
THERE'S GOT TO BE A CLEAR ACCESSIBLE PACK TO THE FRONT DOOR AND TO THE INSIDE, INCLUDING ALL SERVICE.
THE COUNTER, THE TABLE, THE CHAIRS, THE RESTROOM, THEY ALL HAVE TO BE ACCESSIBLE.
IT GOT TO BE THAT WAY A HUNDRED PERCENT.
IT, IT IS SETTING WITH THE APARTMENT BUILDING CONDOMINIUM AND OF COURSE COMMERCIALLY THEY GOT TO BE A HUNDRED PERCENT, UH, AVAILABLE FOR GENERAL PUBLIC AND TENANT.
UM, WHEN IT COME TO A 60 BUILDING, THIS IS WHERE, UM, THE GOAL IS NOT TO SAY NO.
UM, YES YOU CAN DO IT, BUT UM, IN A WAY THAT TO MAKE IT MORE REASONABLE TO THE TENANT.
UM, THERE IS A SMALL
THIS IS WHERE IT COME TO HOW TO MAKE A SMOOTH TRANSITION TO GET, THERE MAY NOT BE NOW, BUT MAYBE 20 YEARS OR 30 IS FROM THE DAY.
THAT'S WHERE THE POINT, THE GOAL IS TO, UM, PROVIDE ASSISTANCE AND GUIDELINE TO REMOVE WHAT WE CALL BARRIER.
REMOVE AS MANY BARRIERS AS WE CAN TODAY.
LET'S DO A DOOR TOMORROW, LET'S DO THE DOOR HALL THE NEXT DAY, LET'S DO RESTROOM.
SO THIS A PROGRESS TO MAKE THE EXISTING TENANT WAIT, UH, TO APPLY MAYBE 20 YEARS, 30 YEARS TO BE FULLY ACCESSIBLE BUT NOT RIGHT AWAY BECAUSE OF WHAT SITUATION.
UH, AND THAT'S THE INTENT FOR YES, YOUR QUESTION.
YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO ADD, UM, A COMMENTARY, RIGHT? AND I THINK THE STATISTICS ARE THAT ONE OUT OF FOUR AMERICANS, UM, EXPERIENCE A DISABILITY, WHETHER IT'S DEVELOPMENTAL OR INTELLECTUAL, BUT JUST AN EXAMPLE, HOUSING, ONLY 6% OF THE HOUSING STUFF IS ACCESSIBLE.
SO THERE'S A REALLY HUGE GAP THERE.
AND I THINK WE HAVE TO DO MORE THAN THE CODE MINIMUM SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW? CORRECT.
UM, HOUSING ACCESSIBILITY HAS BEEN VERY CHALLENGING, UH, BECAUSE IT INVOLVE BETWEEN THE
UM, IT'S VERY COMPLEX BECAUSE THE WHOLE CONCEPT IS ONLY TO SERVE ONE TENANT, NOT LIKE COMMERCIAL.
UH, BUT YES, THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS YES.
UM, THE LANDLORD IS ALSO RESPONSIBLE TO PROVIDE, UM, AS MUCH ACCOMMODATION TO THE TENANT AS POSSIBLE IF REQUESTED IT.
IT'S GETTING A LITTLE TRICKY WHEN IT COMES TO COST.
HOW MUCH IS, WHETHER THE TENANT HAS ADDITIONAL SYSTEM LIKE TITLE A FOR EXAMPLE, ANYTIME A CUSTOMER WALK IN AND SAY, I NEED HELP WITH ACCESSIBILITY AND THERE'S A TITLE A, UH, SUPPORT FOR THE TENANT, IT'S LIKE, YEAH, WE CAN DO IT BECAUSE TITLE A STATE, UH, WE TO PROVIDE AS MUCH COST TO UPGRADE DISPLAY IN THE ACCESSIBLE PART, UH, FOR THE TENANT.
UM, BUT ALL THE SITUATION MAY BE TRICKY.
THIS DEPENDS SOMEHOW MUCH THE LANDLORD IS WILLING TO PROVIDE SUCH A ACCOMMODATION FOR TENANT.
IT IT, IT IS, IT IS VERY FOR NEW BUILDING.
UM, WE ALL COME DOWN TO HOW MUCH IT COSTS
SOMETIMES IT'S SELL SIMPLE, BUT JUST PUT THE ELEVATOR THAT 150,000 BUCKS COST.
SO THAT'S HOW, UM, SO MUCH COST.
UM, SO UM, THERE ARE OPTIONS AVAILABLE.
THE GOAL FOR OUR PLAN CHECK REVISION IS WE DON'T SEE NO, WE SAY YES, IT IS POSSIBLE IF YOU DO THIS WAY OR YOU DO IN TIMEFRAME, MAYBE NOT TODAY, UH, MAYBE NEXT FIVE YEARS, 10 MAKE A COMPLIANT.
UM, UH, THE FINAL FOCUS WILL BE SOME OF THE ASSOCIATE AND RELATED TO THE LIFE OF BUILDING WAS, UM, STARTED FIRST WITH THE ENERGY CODE COMPLIANCE.
THE BUILDING GOT TO BE ENERGY COMPLIANCE ENVELOPE WINDOWS.
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SAVING.THE LIGHT HAD TO BE ENERGY, HIGH EFFICACY, THE SWITCH, WHEN PEOPLE LEAVE THE ROOM, THE LIGHT TOOK OFF.
SO WE HAVE ANCY SENSOR THAT IF THE THE ROOM IS EMPTY FOR ABOUT 10 MINUTES, THE LIGHT AUTOMATICALLY OFF.
UM, AND THOSE ARE THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY THAT UM, THE BUILDING HAS BEEN FORCING TO MAKE SURE THAT ENERGY USE THE MOST EFFICIENT ENERGY BUT AT THE SAME TIME TURN OFF ALL THE LIGHT WHEN NO ONE IS USING THE ROOF.
UH, GREEN BUILDING, UH, IN OUR CODE IS ALL ABOUT LIMIT THE WATER USAGE.
UM, THE WATER, NOT LIKE ALL THEM WHEN I TURN ON LIKE WHOLE WATER, WHOLE PLUS THE WATER NOW IS LIKE ENOUGH WATER COME OUT, UM, TO SAVE THE WATER AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
BUT SUFFICIENTLY, UM, SOME OF THE MATERIAL LIKE DRYWALL NOW WE START TO RECOMMEND AT THE, THE DEPARTMENT START TO RECOMMEND TO USE THE APPROVED RE RECYCLED MATERIAL AND SOME OF THE MATERIAL AVAILABLE IN THE MARKET.
UM, AND SOME OTHER RELATED SUCH AT FIVE PLUMBING, ELECTRICAL, AND MECHANICAL.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTION, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTION YOU HAVE.
TIME WE SPOKE ABOUT THE PERMIT CENTER PERMIT TECHNICIAN.
WE SPOKE ABOUT CLIENT YOU HEARD FROM ONE OF OUR ENGINEERS ABOUT PLANT PROCESS.
MOST OF YOU HAVE BEEN IN CONSTRUCTION.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE THE THING STOPS.
THAT'S WHERE THE BIG MONEY IS.
THAT'S WHERE THE CONTRACTOR LEAVE THE JOB.
THAT'S THE THEY GO FINISH UNIT.
YOU'VE BEEN IN A PLUMBING TRADE IF YOU'VE BEEN IN A A CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT TRADE, YOU ALL HAVE SEEN THAT.
IN SHORT, WE GOT ABOUT 20 INSPECTORS HERE.
THEY DO SOMETHING BETWEEN 10 TO TWO 15 INSPECTIONS A DAY.
SO THAT GIVES YOU SOME NUMBERS.
WE CAN'T OVERLOAD THEM MORE THAN THAT.
LIKE TODAY WAS 160 INSPECTIONS.
SO OUR NUMBERS ONE 50 TO TWO 50.
WE GOT RESIDENTIAL GROUPS THAT THEY DO JUST RESIDENTIAL COMBO INSPECTION.
THEY GO IN, THEY CHECK IT, THEY MOVE FRAMING, THEY MOVE PLUMBING, MECHANICAL, THEY DO IT AND THEY WALK FOR HOME.
THAT'S WHERE DEFICIENCY, SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS AND DUPLEXES.
ANYTHING LARGER THAN THAT, IT GOES TO COMMERCIAL.
THERE WE HAVE SUCH TRADE SEPARATE LOOKING AT YOU CAN'T EXPECT AN INSPECTOR KNOWS EVERYTHING ABOUT THE HIGHER.
SO WHEN IT COMES TO HIGHRISES, SO I JUST EXPLAINED COMBINATION MILL INSPECTORS DO JUST RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL INSPECTION AND TRADE INSPECTION.
THAT'S THE GROUP THAT HAS BIGGER AND SPECIFIC AND THE CONTRACTORS IN THE CITY KNOW THEY MAKE SPECIFIC CALLS TO PLUMBING INSPECTOR TO DO THE, AND THERE'S A LOGIC TO THAT.
AND THEN LAST TIME POINT SPECIAL PROJECT INSPECTION.
WE HAVE SOMETHING CALLED C AND D, THE RECYCLING POOL AS A PART OF THE GREEN BUILDING CODE ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO, SAY DURING, AS I SAID ARNOLD TIME SCREEN BUILDING CODE CAME ABOUT.
YOU WOULD BUILD EVERYTHING LIKE WITH A BRAND NEW LUMBER, BRAND NEW AREA.
BUT THE CODE NOW HAS ALLOWANCE OF RECYCLING.
FIRST YOU RECYCLE TO THE RECYCLE SIDE AND YOU COLLECT THE CERTIFICATION AND WE MONITOR THAT AND WE RELEASE YOUR DEPOSIT.
YOU ALSO CAN REUSE SOME OF THE MATERIAL ON THE JOB.
LET'S SAY YOU HAVE A GOOD BEAM THAT'S NOT DAMAGED AND CAN BE RESET DEPOSIT.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THROW THAT OUT AND BUY A NEW PAYMENT AND BRING IT TO THE JOB.
SO THAT WHOLE PICTURE CAME INTO TO OLA AGAIN, YOU HAVE A GROUP THAT MONITORS THE CD DEPOSIT AND CD PROCESS AND PDSI SPOKE ABOUT THAT.
UH, WATER QUALITY YOU HAVE, THOSE ARE ALL GO THROUGH THOSE SPATIAL PROJECT TEAM.
SO SPECIFIC TASKS OF SPECIAL TRAINING THEY NEED TO HAVE.
DEPUTY INSTRUCTION PROGRAM IS ALSO ADMINISTERED TO THAT PROGRAM.
I DON'T WANT TO GET IN TRICKY FOR IT, BUT IF THERE'S ANY QUESTION, I'D BE GLAD TO INTERJECT.
I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE HAVE YOUR TIME IS IMPORTANT.
SO IF WE MOVE ON, WE HAVE TWO EXAMPLES HERE THAT I'M GONNA GO VERY QUICKLY TO THIS EXAMPLE GIVES YOU THE DIFFERENCE.
LET'S SAY YOU HAVE 1200 SQUARES WITH ONE STORY, TWO BEDROOM.
THE NEXT EXAMPLE, IF YOU GO TO THE MAIN GIVES YOU THIS, THE RESTAURANT 1,201 FLOOR WITH A RESTAURANT.
YOU'RE GONNA FIND OUT WHEN A PANTRY
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OR INSPECTORS GO THROUGH THESE TWO DIFFERENT KIND OF CHARACTERISTICS THEY'RE LOOKING.IF YOU GO BACK TO THE RESIDENTIAL SAME SIZE, WE CONCERN ARE ROOM SIZE, BEDROOM SIZE, WINDOWS, ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND STRUCTURE AND FIRE SPEAK LIKE DETECTORS AND SIZE OF THE, BUT THEN YOU GO TO THE NEXT ONE, SAME SIZE, LET'S SAY THE SAME PICTURE, SAME PROJECT.
ONCE IT BECOME A RESTAURANT, ALL OF A SUDDEN WE HAVE THE SAME ACCESS COMPLIANCE HANDICAP DOOR SWINGS IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION.
THIS IS JUST WAS PUT IN TO DEMONSTRATE THAT NOT TWO BUILDINGS ARE THE SAME, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU ADD OCCUPANCY CLASS CONSTRUCTION PARTS TO ALL THE
IF YOU MOVE TO THE NEXT ONE, WE DO A LOT OUTREACH TO REPEAT TO ONE OF MY JOBS OR MY TASK IS BUILDING AND SAFETY IS TO MAKE SURE THAT FOUR DISTRICTS ARE FAMILIAR OR THEY KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING.
HAVE NINE DISTRICT, THIS DISTRICT HAS THEIR OWN SPECIAL PROJECT, SPECIAL INTERESTS.
SO WE ARE RESPONSIVE TO EACH DISTRICT.
WE ALSO PUT ONCE OR TWICE OPEN THE FLOOR OUTREACH PROGRAM FOR PEOPLE TO COME TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE DO.
RIGHT NOW IT'S MONTH OF MAY FOR THOSE OF YOU IN THE BILLING INDUSTRY.
THIS IS CALLED BILLING AND SAFETY ON OF MAY.
SO THE NEXT SLIDE, WE ARE RIGHT NOW GOING TO THE SCHOOLS, THREE, FOUR SCHOOLS IN LONG BEACH JUST TO TELL THE STUDENTS TODAY, STUDENT WHO WANT TO BECOME ENGINEER FOR THE FUTURE AFTER THE FUTURE, UH, YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH SOME OF HIS NAMES.
THESE ARE THE SCHOOLS THAT HE TRAINED, FUTURE ENGINEERS AND
SO WE HAVE DONE THREE ALREADY AND THERE'S TWO SCHEDULED FOR THIS WEEK, COINCIDENTALLY THAT WE'LL BE GOING THIS, UH, THIS THURSDAY AND FRIDAY.
THIS TO PROVIDE AN ION, PROVIDE AN ALTERATION, PROVIDE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE BUILDING SAFETY DOES.
AND I'M GLAD WE WERE INVITED TODAY TO COME HERE BECAUSE IT SORT OF CHIME IN WITH THE FOR REST OF EFFORTS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH AGAIN AND IF THERE'S ANY QUESTION I FORGOT TO YOU TODAY.
UH, MY NAME IS MARYANNE CRONIN.
I'M THE ZONING ADMINISTRATION OFFICER FOR THE PLANNING BUREAU.
SO I'M GONNA GO PROVIDE A COUPLE OF SLIDES, NOT AS UH, IN DEPTH AS THE BUILDING BUREAU, BUT JUST WHAT PLANNING IS, WHAT WE DO AND WHERE WE FALL IN THE PLAN REVIEW PROCESS THAT MOST TYPICALLY COMES BEFORE THIS COMMISSION.
SO THIS IS A BROAD COUPLE STATEMENTS ABOUT WHAT WE DO, BUT WE FACILITATE THE ONGOING PROCESS OF THE CITY AND COMMUNITY TO CONSIDER HOW WE WANT LONG BEACH TO FUNCTION, UH, DIFFERENTLY IN THE FUTURE.
THEN WE DEVELOP THOSE AND IMPLEMENT LAND USE REGULATIONS.
THOSE CAN BE IN THE FORM OF POLICIES AND REQUIREMENTS TO MOVE US TOWARDS THAT UNIFIED FUTURE.
AND IT INVOLVES ADMINISTERING THE FIRST STEP IN THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS TO REVIEW REQUESTS OR TO USE, TO USE OR DEVELOP LAND AGAINST THOSE PLANS AND VOTING REGULATIONS.
AND THIS IS DONE EITHER AT THE STAFF LEVEL OR THROUGH HEARING BODIES SUCH AS YOURSELF.
IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE IN THE PLANNING BUREAU, WE COME BEFORE THE PLAN CHECK PROCESS AND WE ALSO PARTICIPATE IN THE PLAN CHECK PROCESS.
WE OFTEN DO PARTICIPATE IN SOME OF THE ADMINISTRATION OF FINES AND UH, CODE ENFORCEMENT SIDE OF THINGS WHEN THE CODE ENFORCEMENT VIOLATION IS IN OUR PLANNING LAND USE REGULATIONS.
AND AS SUCH, OUR STRUCTURE IS A LITTLE BIT, UH, UNIQUE IN THAT WE HAVE ADVANCED PLANNING.
SO THEY DEVELOP OUR GENERAL PLAN.
THAT'S THE VISION OR THE ROADMAP FOR OUR CITY.
WHERE DO YOU WANT THE DENSITY IN THE HIGHER BUILDINGS? WHERE DO YOU WANT THE LOWER, UM, DENSITY AREAS? WHERE DO WE WANT PARKS? UH, WHICH AREAS ARE PARKED FOR AND WHERE SHOULD WE TARGET INDUSTRIAL USES? MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT RIGHT NEXT TO SOMEBODY'S BACKYARD.
AND WE NEED TO MAKE SPACE FOR INDUSTRIAL USES BECAUSE THOSE USES ARE VI THEY MAKE OUR COMMUNITIES VIBRANT AND THEY'RE A WAY THAT YOU CAN LIVE, WORK AND PLAY IN THE SAME CITY.
SO I KNOW SOME OF YOU, IF NOT ALL OF YOU ARE LONG BEACH RESIDENTS, IT WOULD BE IDEAL IF YOU COULD LIVE, WORK AND PLAY IN THE SAME CITY THAT YOU AT.
AND THEN ALSO HOW DO YOU GET TO WORK OR HOW DO YOU GET HERE? SOME OF THOSE ACCESSIBILITY CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED EARLIER FOR BUILDING ALSO APPLY TO THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY AND HOW WE DESIGN OUR BUILDINGS AS WELL.
SO PLANNING TOUCHES ON ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT ASPECTS AND WE WORK TOGETHER THROUGH DIFFERENT BUREAU STRUCTURES.
SO OUR ADVANCED PLANNING SENDS THOSE GENERAL PLAN OR POLICIES ON WHAT WE WANT TO SEE OUR CITY, THEY'RE BIG, BIG PICTURE
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AND THEY USE COMMUNITY OUTREACH.SO WE ENGAGE WITH THE COMMUNITY, WHAT DO YOU WANT? YOU TELL US WHAT YOU WANT AND WE TRY TO PUT POLICIES TOGETHER THAT WE FOLLOW.
THEN IN THE CURRENT PLANNING AND ZONING ADMINISTRATION, WE DEVELOP THOSE USE REGULATIONS AS WELL AS THOSE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS TO MAKE SURE THOSE GOALS OF THE GREATER COMMUNITY ARE ADHERED THROUGH WITH CONCRETE EXAMPLES.
SO IF YOU HAVE AN INDUSTRIAL AREA THAT IS NEAR, UM, RESIDENTIAL OR MAYBE A BUTT SIT, IT'S RIGHT BEHIND IT UNDER EXISTING CONDITIONS, WE ARE REDOING OUR ZONING TO MAKE CLEANER USES FOR THOSE AREAS WHERE INTERFACES WITH RESIDENTIAL AND WHEN THOSE USES COME ON AND SOMEBODY WANTS TO COME TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND SAY, I WANT TO BUILD AN INDUSTRIAL BUILDING HERE FOR MANUFACTURING, UH, DAVID'S TEAM IS GONNA SEND THEM OVER TO PLANNING AND SAY, WELL WHAT'S YOUR ZONING? CAN YOU PUT IT THERE? AND WE WILL LOOK AT OUR REGULATIONS WHICH GO THROUGH CURRENT PLANNING AND WE'LL TELL YOU YES OR NO WHAT THAT PROCESS IS.
AND THEN ALSO WHERE THAT BUILDING CAN BE SITUATED AND CAN IT HAVE OUTDOOR OPERATIONS.
SO WE PUT THOSE RULES AND REGULATIONS INTO MAKING THAT BUILDABLE AREA ON LOTS AS WELL AS THE USE DETERMINATIONS.
AND THAT COULD RESULT IN THE COMMUNITY SAYING, I'M TIRED OF HAVING INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS RIGHT UP AGAINST MY BACK PROPERTY LINE AND I'M JUST TIRED OF THAT.
OR THEY'RE TOO LOUD ON OUTDOOR OPERATIONS.
THAT'S WHERE OUR LAND USE REGULATIONS SAY IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE INDUSTRIAL LAND USES, THEY ALL HAVE TO BE INSIDE.
OR IF YOU WANT TO HAVE OUTSIDE, WE HAVE TO DO A PROCESS CALLED THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO MAKE SURE YOUR OUTDOOR OPERATIONS DON'T CREATE A NUISANCE FOR YOUR NEIGHBORS.
THE OTHER THINGS ARE IF YOU'RE AGAINST RESIDENTIAL, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A STEP BACK IN YOUR BUILDING SO YOU CAN BUILD HERE, BUT IF YOU WANNA GO HIGHER TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT SHADOWING OR HAVING ANY NUISANCE ON YOUR NEIGHBORS, YOU DESIGN THAT BUILDING ACCORDINGLY.
SO ADVANCED PLANNING WORKS ON THOSE GOALS.
CURRENT PLANNING IMPLEMENTS THEM.
UH, DURING THE LAST BUDGET CYCLE WE DID DIVIDE OUR CURRENT PLANNING DIVISION TO BE MY DIVISION, WHICH IS ZONING ADMINISTRATION.
SO I'M ONE OF THE HEARING OFFICERS VERY SIMILAR TO YOURSELF FOR ADMINISTRATIVE USE PERMITS AND COASTAL PERMITS.
SO THERE'S OUR CODE REGULATIONS, SAY WHO, WHAT KIND OF PERMITS I CAN HEAR AS WELL AS VARIANCES.
AND THEN WE HAVE A PROJECT PLANNING DIVISION THAT'S GONNA BE WORKING TOWARDS STREAMLINING THOSE LARGER APPROVALS SUCH AS UH, YOUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND LARGE HOUSING PROJECTS AS WELL AS PUBLIC PROJECTS THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT I'M GONNA GO OVER IN THE NEXT SLIDE.
SO YOU'VE PROBABLY HEARD IN PASSING SOME OF THESE TERMS, I'M NOT GONNA READ THEM VERBATIM, BUT A LOT OF THEM I TALKED ABOUT TODAY.
SO WE HAVE A GENERAL PLAN THAT IS A LAND USE PLAN FOR THE CITY AS WELL AS POLICIES ON WHERE WE'RE GONNA CITE CERTAIN TYPES OF USES AND EMPHASIS TO MAKING SURE THOSE USES COME IN A CERTAIN FORM OF FUNCTION.
IN 2019, THE CITY ADOPTED A NEW GENERAL PLAN.
NOW GENERAL PLANS ARE MANDATED BY THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.
THERE ARE CERTAIN ELEMENTS YOU HAVE AIR QUALITY ELEMENTS, MOBILITY, LAND USE, PLANNING.
UH, THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT TODAY IS LAND USE PLANNING.
SO WITH THAT YOU HAVE THIS BIG HUGE MAP OF THE CITY AND THERE'S LOTS OF COLORS.
AND IN OUR NEW UM, LAND USE PLAN, WE ACTUALLY ADDED HEIGHT AND THAT WAS A LONG PROCESS.
IT TOOK OVER I THINK 15 YEARS.
UM, AND WE FINALLY GOT IT APPROVED.
AND IN 2019, SO WITH A GENERAL PLAN, THAT'S YOUR BIG ROADMAP OF WHERE YOU'RE GONNA GET TO, BUT HOW DO YOU GET THERE? YOU GET THERE THROUGH ZONING, YOU GET EVEN SMALLER AND MORE PARCEL BASED AND THAT TELLS YOU WHAT USES CAN GO WHERE, UH, WHERE AND WITH ZONING REGULATIONS, THAT'S WHERE YOU GET, THESE ARE MY SETBACKS, THIS IS MY HEIGHT.
THESE ARE THE TYPE OF USES THAT CAN GO ON THOSE DIFFERENT COLORS ON THAT BIG MAP.
AND OUR ZONING REGULATIONS IS WHAT I FOCUS ON IS MAKING SURE ONE, THEY'RE USABLE AND CAN BE ADMINISTERED BY YOUR DEPART, YOUR BUREAU AS WELL AS THE OTHER BUREAUS.
UNDERSTAND HOW IT INTERMINGLES.
UH, THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS ARE WHEN HAVE A BIG PARCEL LAND, HOW CAN I CUT THAT UP OR ADDRESS THOSE LOT LINES? THAT'S CALLED THE SUBDIVISION MAP ACT.
AND WE REGULATE THAT IN PLANNING, UH, DISCRETIONARY ACTIONS OR ACTIONS BY A HEARING BODY, LIKE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT OR ADMINISTRATIVE USE PERMIT WHERE SOMEBODY USES DISCRETION.
A PLANNER WILL MAKE FINDINGS SAYING THAT THIS IS A USE THAT'S APPROPRIATE TO THIS AND USES ALL THOSE POLICIES THAT ADVANCE PLANNING HAS PUT TOGETHER.
BUT THE DISCRETION LIES AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
THE CITY COUNCIL, UH, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR OR THE SITE PLAN REVIEW COMMITTEE AND UH, ENTITLEMENTS ARE THOSE APPROVALS.
AND A HEARING BODY SUCH AS YOURSELVES IS A DECISION MAKING BODY THAT WE HAVE NUMEROUS DECISION MAKING BODIES ALL BEFORE THEY EVEN GET THE PLAN CHECK.
SO EVERYTHING I'M TALKING ABOUT TODAY IS BEFORE ANYBODY HAS CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS, WHICH IS WHAT YOU'RE MORE FAMILIAR WITH.
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THEN ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW.I KNOW SOMEBODY SAID THAT THEY'RE, UH, FAMILIAR WITH ENVIRONMENTAL CAUSES.
THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY, UM, IN CALIFORNIA WE HAVE THE STRONGEST ENVIRONMENTAL RULES IS BACK IN THE 1970S WE STARTED IN FOLLOWING THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WITH UM, NEPA OR THE NATIONAL ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY ACT.
WE HAVE CA, WHICH IS THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT.
SO ANYTIME YOU HAVE A DISCRETIONARY ACTION, WHICH MEANS SOMEBODY EXERCISES A DECISION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT, THE STATE SAYS THAT YOU HAVE TO DO COMPLY WITH DISCLOSING ALL THOSE IMPACTS.
AND THAT'S WHAT ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW DOES.
WE DO NOT DO ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW ON BUILDING PERMITS THAT HAVE NO DISCRETION.
SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT THE PLANNING BUREAU, UH, WE ARE A SMALL BUT A LEAN BUT MIGHTY TEAM.
WE DO BOTH MINISTERIAL, WHICH IS NO DISCRETION.
AND WE ALSO DO DISCRETIONARY PERMITS.
SO WHERE, UM, ENGINEERING BUREAU MIGHT HAVE CERTAIN PROVISIONS LIKE A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER AND A CIVIL ENGINEER, OUR PLANNERS DO EVERYTHING.
SO THEY'RE DOING THE PLAN CHECKS AFTER THEY'VE GONE THROUGH THESE DISCRETIONARY ACTIONS.
UM, SO THE TYPICAL PLANNING PROCESS, UM, A LOT OF IT IS FRONT LOADED TO CALLING THE PLANNING AND ZONING LINE AND SAYING, CAN I DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY WITH THIS TYPE OF USE? AND IF YES, WHAT'S THE PROCESS? SO DOWN OUR CORRIDORS, UM, LONG BEACH BOULEVARD, YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF RISING BUILDINGS, RIGHT? SO IF I WANNA DEVELOP A 250 UNIT, UM, BUILDING AT THE CORNER OF UH, LONG BEACH BOULEVARD AND 10TH STREET, THE PLANNER'S GONNA BE THE FIRST PERSON YOU TALK TO.
YOU'RE NOT NECESSARILY GONNA TALK TO BUILDING BECAUSE TY JUST TOLD YOU YOU CAN BUILD ANYTHING UNLESS IT'S ENGINEERED.
IT'S THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT THAT KIND OF STEPS IN FIRST.
SO I'M GONNA TELL YOU, YOU'RE IN OUR DOWNTOWN UM, PLAN AREA AND YOU CAN GO THIS HIGH AND YOU CAN HAVE THIS MUCH VOLUME AND THESE ARE THE DESIGN STANDARDS, BUT YOU'RE DOING 250 UNITS.
YOU HAVE TO GO DO SITE PLAN REVIEW AND UH, YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION BECAUSE YOU HAVE SO MANY UNITS.
THOSE ARE YOUR DISCRETIONARY ACTIONS.
SO THE APPLICANT WILL SUBMIT FOR ENTITLEMENTS, WHICH IS THAT DISCRETIONARY ACTION.
LET'S SAY YOU HAVE, UH, WITH A SPECIFIC PLAN ON THE KIND OF MEDIUM DENSITY, YOU CAN ONLY DO FOUR STORIES, RIGHT? BUT IF YOU APPLY THE STATE DENSITY BONUS LAW FOR A HUNDRED PERCENT AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT AND YOU ADD THOSE THREE STORIES OR OTHER STORIES AND WORK IT OUT WITH THE PLAN DEPARTMENT, KNOW THAT THEY GET STREAMLINED TO THE PERSONAL DISCRETIONARY REVIEW PROCESS WITHOUT PROJECT SPECIFIC.
AND COULD YOU ALSO WORK WITH PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO USE SB 35, WHICH IS GONNA CHANGE IN THE NEXT YEAR OR SO TO BYPASS ANY ANYTIME
SO WE DO HAVE, SO ALL THOSE THINGS THAT YOU MENTIONED.
SO THERE'S THINGS CALLED STATE DENSITY BONUS.
LOCALLY WE HAVE WHAT'S CALLED ENHANCED DENSITY BONUS, WHICH TAKES SOME OF OUR GOALS AND POLICIES THAT OUR ADVANCED PLANNING TEAM IS NOTICING.
WE'RE NOT ABLE TO PROVIDE AS MUCH MODERATE LEVEL HOUSING, RIGHT? AN AFFORDABLE TYPE OF HOUSING.
IT'S EVERYTHING HAS TO PENCIL OUT FOR A DEVELOPER TO BUILD CERTAIN THINGS TO ACHIEVE OUR GOAL.
WE CREATE THOSE LAND USE REGULATIONS THAT SAY IF YOU GIVE US MORE MODERATE, WE'LL GIVE YOU AN EXTRA STORY OF HEIGHT.
AND IT, AND THAT'S WHAT OUR LAND USE REGULATIONS HAVE.
UM, SV 35 HAS ITS OWN PROCESS WHERE YOU DO HAVE TO DO ADDITIONAL STUDIES AND ALL OF THESE ARE SENATE BILLS AND ASSEMBLY BILLS THAT CHANGE EVERY YEAR.
UM, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS KEEPING A TRACK EVERY YEAR.
WE HAVE CHANGES TO THIS, INCLUDING ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS CAME OUT OF CHANGES AT STATE LAW AS WELL AS OTHER RULES AND REGULATIONS LIKE SVT.
SO WE IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WOULD BE YOUR POINT OF CONTACT FOR ANY APPLICATIONS THAT NEED THAT.
BUT MOST OF THE TIME THEY NEED THAT SITE PLAN REVIEW, WHICH IS A DESIGN REVIEW.
AND THAT ALL HAPPENS HERE, AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT'S VERY EARLY.
THAT'S ONLY BULLET NUMBER TWO.
UM, ONCE YOU GET THROUGH THOSE PROCESSES, YOU GO TO EITHER YOUR HEARING OFFICER OR YOU GO THROUGH YOUR HEARING PROCESS AND YOU END UP WITH CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT SAYS THE FRONT DOOR WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, UM, BATTEN BOARD SIDING AND I WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S HIGH QUALITY EVEN THOUGH IT'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
I WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE A NICE BUILDING.
SO WE CAN PUT THOSE DESIGN REVIEW REQUIREMENTS THAT FORM CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
SO YOU DEVELOP ALL YOUR CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS, YOU SUBMIT IT TO THE, UH, BUILDING SAFETY PLANNING PLANNERS, THE SAME PLANNER THAT TOOK YOUR PROJECT THROUGH TO THE HEARING, THEY'RE DOING THE PLAN CHECK REVIEW, THEY'RE MAKING SURE YOUR SETBACKS ARE RIGHT, ALL THE ONES THAT YOU WORK THROUGH THE ENTITLEMENT PROCESS AND THEY'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING INCLUDING YOUR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL ARE ADHERED TO.
SO WHEN SOMEBODY COMES IN AND SAYS, I COULDN'T AFFORD TO PUT THE THAT FINISH ON THAT SIDE, I WANT TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S INFERIOR, WELL YOU AGREED TO THAT ON YOUR CONDITIONS OF
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APPROVAL.I ASKED A FEW YEARS AGO ABOUT THE CONTAINER BUILDINGS AND IT WAS JUST REALLY BRAND NEW.
SO I, YOU KNOW, HAVE, UH, THE, THE RULES OR YOU KNOW, HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, HAS LONG BEACH, UH, UPDATED OR YOU KNOW, LIKE MODIFIED, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS A, A WHOLE NEW ANIMAL TO DEAL WITH, YOU KNOW, AND HOW FAR HAVE WE COME WITH THAT? IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS WE CHANGED OUR LAND USE REGULATIONS OR OUR ZONING REGULATIONS TO BE MORE FLEXIBLE WITH DIFFERENT KINDS OF MATERIALS SUCH AS SHIPPING CONTAINER.
I DO KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE IT CAN BE CHALLENGING FROM A BUILDING CODE PERSPECTIVE TOO.
BUT, UH, WE'RE OPEN TO THOSE KINDS, TYPES OF MATERIALS.
UM, THEY DO HAVE TO BE PERMANENT FOUNDATIONS AND SO WE'LL WORK WITH, UH, DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS, BUT IN LIKE A COMMERCIAL SETTING, WE'VE BEEN MORE ACCEPTABLE OF THEM.
AT A RESIDENTIAL SETTING, IT NEEDS A LITTLE BIT MORE DISCRETION.
UM, AND THEN FINALLY YOU GET ALL YOUR PERMITS, YOU GET IT ALL CONSTRUCTED, LIKE SOME OF THOSE NICE BUILDINGS THAT DAVID SLIDE HAD THAT ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH THESE ENTITLEMENT PROCESSES.
AND THEN WE GO OUT FOR FINAL INSPECTION, MAKE SURE YOU INSTALLED EVERYTHING YOU PROMISED, UH, ALL THOSE THINGS WOULD'VE BEEN ON YOUR PLANS, BUT WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THIS IS MORE RELEVANT TO THINGS LIKE USE PERMITS WITH ALCOHOL RELATED USES.
WE'RE GONNA GO OUT THERE BEFORE YOU START OPERATE AND MAKE SURE ALL THOSE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT YOU PROMISED YOU WOULD DO, LIKE TRAINING YOUR STAFF AND HAVING CERTAIN THINGS ON SITE CAMERAS.
WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THOSE ARE, UM, INSTALLED.
WE UM, PART OF MY NEW JOB, WHICH IS A NEW PART OF OUR BUREAU, IS TO HAVE ONGOING COMPLIANCE.
SO WITH ANY USE PERMIT, YOU DO HAVE TO DO ANNUAL INSPECTIONS AND WE'RE GONNA RESTART THOSE TO ENSURE ALL OF OUR OPERATORS OR ENTITLEMENTS ARE GOING TO BE COMPLYING WITH THOSE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL,
I'M THE ZONING ADMINISTRATION OFFICER, SO I AM THE LUCKY PERSON THAT GETS TO MAKE SOME OF THE ZONING CALLS WHEN THERE'S ANY DISCREPANCIES.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, YOU AND I ARE VERY SIMILAR IN THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE, UM, TRYING TO BUY FOR, UH, WHAT OUR IMPLICATIONS OF THOSE REGULATIONS ARE.
AND, UM, LOOK, WE HAVE, BUT, UH, VERY MUCH SO PLANNING, UH, GETS INVOLVED AT ALL STAGES OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS BEFORE THE, DURING CONTRACT.
AND I HAVE A QUESTION TOO, AND THIS IS, UH, THE REASON I ASK YOU THIS, 'CAUSE I'VE SEEN A LOT OF, UH, UH, THESE THINGS GOING ON WITH THE PUBLIC VIDEO TAKING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
DOES THE CITY TRAIN THEIR DEPARTMENTS OR PEOPLE WHO LIKE, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, THESE CONSTITUTIONALISTS THAT WALK DOES LONG BEACH HAVE A PROGRAM THAT YOU KNOW, THAT, YOU KNOW, UPDATES THE, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE LIKE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, FIRST AMENDMENT, UH, UH, PEOPLE THAT, UH, I MEAN IS LONG INTO THAT.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK WE'VE HAD A WHOLE LOT OF PROBLEMS. ART MIGHT BE ABLE TO, UM, TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT OUR PLANNERS.
I'VE BEEN RECORDED AT THE COUNTER.
UM, AT THIS POINT, I'M TELLING YOU THE SAME INFORMATION THAT I WOULD TELL SOMEBODY AT THE COUNTER AND I WOULD BE TELLING SOMEBODY IF I WAS TESTIFYING AT PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, AT, WE HAVEN'T HAD TOO MUCH OF AN ISSUE BECAUSE OUR PLANNERS ARE WELL EQUIPPED TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
AND AT ANY POINT, UM, WE WE'RE TELLING YOU LITERALLY WHAT THE ZONING REGULATIONS.
SO WE'RE NOT, AND I OFTENTIMES, WHEN PEOPLE DON'T BELIEVE ME, I SAY, LET ME PRINT THAT OUT FOR YOU AND I'LL HIGHLIGHT THE CODE SECTION, WHICH IS PROBABLY SIMILAR TO WHAT BUILDING AND SAFETY HAS TO DO ON A REGULAR BASIS.
EVERYONE SAID, WHY DID WE GET THAT SCENARIO THAT SOMEBODY WANTS TO TAKE? OR STAFF OR, WE'VE BEEN VERY FLEXIBLE, AS LONG AS THEY'RE NOT, WE, WE ARE TOLD TO ACCOMMODATE.
'CAUSE WE WANT TO BE TRANSPARENT.
UNLESS THEY CREATE A SAME SITUATION OR SOMETHING.
THAT INDIVIDUAL IS NOT COMFORTABLE, WE, BUT THEN WE POLITELY HAVE ASKED THE STAFF TO STEP BACK.
AND THE REASON I ASK YOU, AND I, I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT.
THE REASON I ASK YOU, BECAUSE I'VE SEEN PLENTY OF VIDEOS AND MOST PEOPLE ARE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH ANYBODY VIDEOTAPING THEM.
AND THE FIRST THING, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE SAY THAT'S DIFFERENT.
SO, I MEAN, I'VE SEEN ENOUGH OF THESE VIDEOS, VIDEOS NOW WHERE A LOT OF PEOPLE, A LOT OF PLACES I SHOULD SAY, ARE NOT PREPARED FOR THIS KIND OF STUFF.
SO, SO, SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CONSTITUTIONAL AUDITORS? YES.
THE ONES THAT ARE DOING VIDEOS OF VARIOUS AREAS THEY WERE DOING IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR A WHILE, WENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
UH, THEY'VE GONE TO VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
UM, SO WHAT MARIANNE IS TALKING ABOUT
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IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT TO RECORD, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS HAPPENING.YOU'VE GOT DAVID TALKING ABOUT BEING OPEN AND MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE OPEN AND ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE CITY DOES IS A GOVERNMENT AGENCY.
BUT ON THE OTHER END OF THAT IS WHAT THESE PEOPLE ARE FREQUENTLY DOING IS THAT, AND THAT THAT IS A PROVOKING PEOPLE TO HAVE A TYPE OF REACTION FOR THEIR OWN PURPOSES.
AND SO WHAT I CALL THAT MO, WHAT I, MY EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN RATHER THAN FIRST AMENDMENT AUDITORS, THEIR FIRST AMENDMENT DISRUPTORS, RIGHT? SO THEY'RE USING THE FIRST AMENDMENT TO DO WHATEVER THEY'RE DOING TO CREATE THIS, UH, UNCOMFORTABLE NATURE BY PROVOKING OR BY INTERFERING WITH WHATEVER, UH, DEPARTMENT PROCESS IS HAPPENING.
AND, AND SO IN THAT SITUATION, WE, AND I'M ASSUMING THAT OUR, WE ADVISED ALL THE DEPARTMENTS IN THE CITY IS YOU HAVE TO ALLOW THESE PEOPLE TO RECORD THE INFORMATION 'CAUSE OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT, BUT THEN YOU DRAW THE LINE WHEN THEY BECOME DISRUPTIVE AND START INTERFERING WITH THE PROCESS.
THE SAME THING WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THEY HAD A BIG PROBLEM WITH IT, BUT AS SOON AS THEY STARTED INTERFERING WITH WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO DO, THAT'S WHEN YOU HAVE TO DRAW THE LINE.
AND I, I AGREE WITH YOU ON THE DISRUPTION LINE, BUT I'M JUST SAYING IF YOU KNOW, AND I AGREE WITH YOU TOTALLY AND ALL THAT, IT'S OKAY TO VIDEOTAPE IT WHEN YOU START, UH, DISRUPTING, THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT YEAH.
AND SO, I MEAN, IT, IT'S A FINE LINE.
IT'S SOMETHING THE CITY ALWAYS HAS TO CONSIDER, UM, BECAUSE WE'RE IN CITY AND SO, YOU KNOW, AND THEY'RE TRYING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE SITUATION.
BUT, AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE PUT IN THAT POSITION WHERE WE HAVE TO, UH, TAKE MOST STUFF, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE CITY ALWAYS DOES ANYWAYS.
NO, NO, I, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
NO, IT'S A CURRENT, IT'S A CURRENT THING.
ALTHOUGH IT'S KIND OF SLOWED DOWN A LITTLE BIT LATELY.
I HAVE A DIFFERENT, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.
JUST LET ME SAY THIS REASON I ASKED THAT BECAUSE, UH, I WORK, I'M WORKING AT A FACILITY THAT IS A PUBLIC FACILITY AND PEOPLE ARE VIDEOTAPING, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE, WHENEVER THERE'S AN EVENT.
BUT, BUT YET THE ADMINISTRATION SAYS, OH, YOU CAN'T TAKE THE PATIENTS OR WHATEVER.
AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, THAT SAY, YOU KNOW, FOR YOU TO SAY THAT IT'S NOT, UH, YOU KNOW, ANYTIME SOMEONE'S IN A PUBLIC FACILITY, ESPECIALLY OUTSIDE, YOU KNOW, TO TRY TO LIMIT SOMEONE'S WHY I'M BRINGING THIS UP.
SO OUR HEALTH DEPARTMENT HAD KIND OF A SIMILAR ISSUE WITH THAT.
AND THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT BECAUSE THEY HAVE HIPAA REGULATIONS THAT THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH.
AND INSIDE OF HIPAA, THERE'S ALL THIS CONFIDENTIALITY, UM, THAT DUTY THAT THEY HAVE TO KEEP ALL THE INFORMATION CONFIDENTIAL.
AND BY HAVING SOMEONE COME IN AND VIDEOTAPING WITHIN THEIR DOORS IS, UM, THEY'RE SENSITIVE TO THAT.
AND I UNDERSTAND IT, RIGHT? I'M TALKING ABOUT OUTSIDE IN A PUBLIC SETTING, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE'S A DIFFERENT STORY.
AND I'M TRYING TO EDUCATE MY ADMINISTRATORS ON SAY, HEY, YOU BETTER BE CAREFUL WITH THAT BECAUSE YOU, YOU ARE DANCING WITH THE LAW.
AND THEN THAT'S WHY I, AND EVERYONE IS DEALING WITH THE SITUATION DIFFERENTLY AND IT'S A, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S INFLUX.
SO THAT'S ALL I CAN REALLY YEAH.
DEFINITIVELY I CAN TELL YOU IT'S IN FLUX AND EVERY, YOU KNOW, AGENCY DOES SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
I'M SORRY, I, I DON'T WANNA TAKE THIS DOWN A RABBIT HOLE HERE TOO MUCH FURTHER, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT EITHER OF YOU IS TALKING ABOUT.
SOMEBODY IN A SENTENCE OR TWO JUST EXPLAIN WHAT THE ISSUE IS.
WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING ON SOCIAL MEDIA? AND THIS IS A SOCIAL MEDIA THING.
UM, THESE AUDITORS HAVE BEEN VIDEOTAPING VARIOUS PUBLIC AGENCIES IN WHAT THEY'RE DOING, THE THINGS THEY'RE DOING, AND THEY'RE USING VIDEOTAPE AND THE PHONE, WHATEVER IT IS, AND THEY POST IT ONLINE.
AND, AND USUALLY WHEN I SAY THEY PROVOKE A REACTION, 'CAUSE NO ONE WANTS TO SEE SOMEONE DOING THEIR HOMEWORK.
THEY WANT TO SEE SOMETHING OUTTA LINE OR PEOPLE GETTING UNCOMFORTABLE OR PEOPLE GETTING CONFRONTATIONAL.
AND THAT'S WHAT THEY POST ONLINE.
AND INSTEAD OF BEING, UH, TRANSPARENT AND INFORMATIONAL ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE DOING, THEY'RE ALL THE REACTIONS THAT PEOPLE ARE HAVING.
AND THE TERM AUDITOR IS USED VERY LOOSELY.
WELL, THEY, THE, ONE OF THE GROUPS CALLS THEMSELVES THE FIRST AMENDMENT AUDITORS.
AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THAT CAME FROM.
BACK TO COMPENSATION PERMITS, IF THEY DO THAT IN PUBLIC, DOES THEY NEED A, A PERMIT? NO, NO, NO.
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TO HAVE A PERMIT IF THEY'RE DOING IT FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES AND THEY DO NEED TO HAVE A PERMIT.AND YOU'RE RIGHT, THAT'S A FINE LINE CO THAT'S A FINE LINE IN TERMS OF WHEN YOU POST SOMETHING AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S A, THIS IS A WHOLE SOCIAL MEDIA THING BECAUSE THEN YOU HAVE FOLLOWERS.
YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU'RE RIGHT TO ASK THE QUESTION AND STAY TUNED.
STAY TUNED, BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO COME BACK AT SOME POINT.
SO NOT YET, BUT IT'S GOING TO.
YEAH, MY QUESTION WAS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT AND IT JUST HAS TO DO WITH PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
UM, A LOT OF THE SCHOOLS IN LONG BEACH ARE GETTING REDONE.
IT USED TO BE THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO HAVE INSPECTIONS OR MEET WITH THE CITY.
IS THAT STILL THE CASE? THEY WOULD BE UNDER LONG BEACH UNIFIED.
SO THE UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT WILL HANDLE ALL THE PERMITTING ON THEIR, SO THEY DON'T DEAL WITH THE CITY IN ANY, THEY DON'T USUALLY COME, THEY HAVE TO GO TO, UH, THIS, UH, DEPARTMENT OF STATE ARCHITECT.
ESA, KIND OF LIKE H
SO ANY POLICE STATION, ANY FIRE DEPARTMENT STATION, ANY SCHOOL K TO 12.
UH, THEY NEED TO GO TO, UH, DSA.
NOW WE, ONE EXCEPTION IF YOU PRIVATE SCHOOLS, THEY COME TO US.
NO, I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS WHERE PUBLIC SCHOOLS GO TO DI THINK WE DO OUR OWN FIRE.
WE DO OUR FIRE AND POLICE PERMITTING.
WE DO OUR OWN FIRE AND POLICE PERMITTING.
WE DO OUR OWN FIRE AND POLICE PERMITTING HERE.
AND SO AS WE GO THROUGH REZONING ALL OF OUR, UM, AREAS TO COMPLY WITH THAT GENERAL PLAN, UH, WE ARE IMPLEMENTING, WE HAVE TWO ZONING CODES RIGHT NOW.
WE HAVE A TRANSITIONAL ZONING CODE AND THEN THE, THE ZONING CODE THAT EXISTS TODAY.
AND WE'RE MOVING THINGS FORWARD.
AND THAT'S A GOOD SEGUE ONTO OUR PARTNERS IN CODE ENFORCEMENT, WHO PART OF THEIR COMPONENT IS NOT ONLY ENFORCEMENT FOR THE BUILDING CODE, BUT IT'S ALSO FOR OUR ZONING REGULATIONS.
SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO CARL'S TEAM.
I'M WAITING FOR A POWERPOINT
SO IF WE WANT TO, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND JUST MOVE ON TO ART.
AND THEN WE'LL WAIT AND GO BACK.
YOU NEED A MOTION? IT'S NOT YET.
SO BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE NEXT ITEM, UM, OH YEAH, YEAH.
WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND, AND TAKE A VOTE TO, OKAY.
I MOVE, WE MOVED TO ITEM NUMBER THREE.
NOW YOU GUYS A VOTE ON OR SECOND OR AN MANUAL? THAT'S YEAH.
UM, SO I HAD A MOTION FROM, UM, FROM, UH, ESPARZA, AND THEN I SECOND FROM ENRIQUEZ.
AND SO THEN, UH, CHAIRMAN WHITEHEAD, UH, YES.
SO MY TURN, AND THEN BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THIS ITEM, WE'LL NEED A MOTION TO HEAR ITEM NUMBER THREE.
SO WE JUST CLOSED ITEM NUMBER TWO, AND NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER THREE.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION FROM CHAIRMAN WHITEHEAD AND THE SECOND FROM BOARD MEMBER, UH, ENRIQUE.
I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHAT, UH, CODE ENFORCEMENT SERVICES AND PROGRAMS. UM, SO WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT, WE HAVE SEVERAL PROGRAMS THAT WE OVERSEE, UH, THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
WE HAVE THE PROACTIVE RENTAL HOUSING INSPECTION PROGRAM, WHICH CONSISTS OF, UH, WE HAVE LIKE NINE INSPECTORS THAT GO OUT AND WE'LL INSPECT MULTI-UNITS, FOUR UNITS OR MORE.
UM, AND THEY'LL DO THE INSPECTIONS.
AND IF THEY, WE FIND ANYTHING THAT, UM, REQUIRES PERMISSION, SO FORTH, DAVID'S GROUP WILL DO INSPECTIONS ON THOSE BECAUSE THEY'RE CONSIDERED COMMERCIAL.
SO, UM, WE WON'T DO THE INSPECTIONS ON SOMETHING THAT, LIKE, SAY, REPLACING THE MAJOR WATER, UM, H-C-H-H-A-C UNITS, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, UM, ON THE INSPECTIONS ON THAT.
UM, AND WE ARE JUST, RIGHT NOW, WE'RE JUST ABOUT DONE WITH THE FIRST CYCLE, UM, OF ALL THE UNITS OR ALL THE, UM, MULTI UNITS IN THE CITY.
AND WE'LL BE STARTING THE SECOND CYCLE PROBABLY IN SOMEWHERE AROUND IN OCTOBER.
AND CAN I ASK, HOW LONG HAS IT TAKEN TO DO THAT FIRST CYCLE?
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THAT FIRST CYCLE TOOK ABOUT SIX YEARS, SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE.A LOT OF, A LOT OF APARTMENTS LOOK AT, UM, SO IT'S TEDIOUS
WAS THERE A REQUIREMENT FOR A SPECIFIC AMOUNT OF TIME IN THE STATUTE? WAS IT SUPPOSED TO? NO, THERE WASN'T.
THERE WAS A GUESSTIMATION WHEN, WHEN THE PROGRAM STARTED, YOU KNOW, THEY GUESSTIMATED THAT MAYBE IT WOULD TAKE FIVE YEARS, YOU KNOW, BUT THEN IT ENDED UP TAKING LONGER.
OF COURSE, WE LOST THAT PERIOD DURING COVID.
YOU KNOW, SO WHERE EVERYTHING WAS SHIFTED FROM DOING THE MULTI-HOUSING INSPECTIONS TO, TO REACTING TO COVID.
SO THAT'S THAT ATTACK A LITTLE BIT.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE SHORT TERM RENTAL PROGRAM, WHICH YOU'VE PROBABLY HEARD ABOUT THAT ONE LATELY.
IT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, OUT THERE IN THE NEWS AND EVERYTHING.
WE'VE HAD OUR, UH, FIRST, UM, UM, PETITION THAT PASSED, RIGHT.
FOR, UM, NOT ALLOWING UNHOSTED SHORT TERM RENTALS IN A CERTAIN CENSUS SUB TRACT LOT GROUP.
SO, UM, AND WE HAVE LIKE NINE OWNERS IN THE PROCESS NOW.
SO, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE VACANT LOT MONITORING PROGRAM.
THAT'S A PROGRAM THAT, YOU KNOW, WE INSPECT THE, ALL THE VACANT LOTS IN THE CITY OF OLD BEACH, UH, ONCE A MONTH THEY DO GET A REGISTRATION FEE, UH, FOR THAT SERVICE.
SO WHAT THAT DOES IS THAT HELPS, UM, THE CITY MAKE SURE THAT ALL THESE VACANT LOTS ARE BEING MAINTAINED AND NOT BECOME A DUMPY GROUND AND LITTLE GRAFFITI AND SO FORTH.
SO, UM, AND THAT'S BEEN PRETTY SUCCESSFUL.
I MEAN, WE HAVE SOME LOTS THAT DO GET OVERGROWN, BUT, UH, THEY'RE ADDRESSED FAIRLY QUICKLY.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE GARAGE RESALE PROGRAM IN THE PARKING IMPACTED AREAS.
SO, UM, WHICH IS BASICALLY WHEN SOMEONE'S GONNA SELL THEIR, UM, THEIR PROPERTY.
AND WHAT WE'LL DO IS GO OUT THERE AND INSPECT THE GARAGES TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE ACCESSIBLE FOR OFF STREET PARKING, YOU KNOW, AND THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE EXEMPTED TO WHERE MAYBE THE GARAGE WAS REMOVED AT ONE TIME SO THAT THAT PROPERTY BECAME AN EXEMPTION.
BUT, UM, SO IT'S, AND THAT'S ONLY THE PARKING IMPACTED AREAS.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE WEED EVENT PROGRAM.
SO WE BEEN PROGRAM BASICALLY IS, YOU KNOW, WE GO OUT TO A PROPERTY, WE GET A, A COMPLAINT, UM, ABOUT WEEDS, TRASH, DEBRIS, A PROPERTY, JUST BE IT A MESS.
SO THEN WHAT WE DO IS WE GO OUT AND WE INSPECT THAT PROPERTY, AND WE WILL WRITE UP WHATEVER CONDITIONS THAT WE SEE AND SEND NOTICES TO THE OWNER TO, UH, TO CLEAN IT UP IF THEY FAIL TO DO.
THERE'S TWO, TWO WAYS THAT WE CAN GO ABOUT THE ENFORCEMENT PROCESS IS WE CAN EITHER ISSUE ADMINISTRATIVE CITATIONS OR WE POST IT WITH THE NOTICE TO CLEAN.
UH, THE NOTICE TO CLEAN IS, IS THE ONE OF PREFERENCE BECAUSE WE CAN CLEAN THAT PROPERTY IN 20 DAYS.
YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IT TAKES A LITTLE MORE THAN 20 DAYS BECAUSE SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO MEET THE WARRANT AND SO FORTH.
AND THEN WE CHARGE THE OWNER FOR THE FEES.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE HOTEL MOTEL INSPECTION PROGRAM WHERE WE GO OUT AND INSPECT, UH, ALL THE HOTELS AND MOTELS IN THE CITY OF LONG BEACH.
AND WE DON'T GO TO EVERY SINGLE ROOM.
WE'LL GO OUT THERE AND WE'LL MEET WITH THE MANAGER AND TELL 'EM THAT WE WANT TO INSPECT, YOU KNOW, SO MANY, SO MANY ROOMS AND, UM, MAKE SURE THEY'RE COMPLIANCE WITH BALANCE SAFETY.
IF I CAN ASK A QUESTION, MAYBE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
I'M AFRAID WHAT I DON'T SEE IS COMPLAINT INSPECTIONS.
WHERE DO THEY FIT IN THIS? I'M GETTING THERE.
SO I'LL JUMP THROUGH THAT REAL QUICK RIGHT NOW.
SO CODE ENFORCE, WE'RE NOT A REACTIVE CASE, RIGHT? WE'RE, WE'RE, UM, WE'RE NOT PROACTIVE.
SO WE, WE GO BASED OFF OF COMPLAINTS, UNLESS IT'S A DANGEROUS CONDITION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEN WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE ACTION OURSELVES.
IF WE SEE IT OR THERE'S A FIRE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE'LL GO OUT THERE.
WE HAVE TO DO A SUMMARY ABATEMENT, AND THEN THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO.
AND THAT'S GIVES THE OWNERS LESS TIME, YOU KNOW, FOR A SHORTER PERIOD GET WORKED BECAUSE OF THE DANGEROUS CONDITION.
OKAY? AND SO BASICALLY WHAT CODE ENFORCEMENT DOES IS WE PRIMARILY DEAL WITH PRIVATE PROPERTY.
WE DON'T DEAL WITH ANYTHING IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, UM, ON THE STREETS, IN THE PARKS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, WE DEAL STRICTLY WITH PRIVATE PROPERTY.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'LL GET CALLS ABOUT A STREETLIGHT OUT AND SO FORTH, AND WE'LL DIRECT THE PEOPLE TO THE CORRECT DEPARTMENT.
BUT WE PRIMARILY DEAL WITH PRIVATE PROPERTY.
SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO RESPOND TO, AGAIN, TO THE COMPLAINTS IS SUBSTANDARD BUILDINGS, WHICH ARE DETERIORATED, ABANDONED BUILDINGS, OR SOMETIMES THEY'RE NOT ABANDONED, THEY'RE JUST DETERIORATED, RIGHT? SO WE'LL GO OUT THERE AND WE'LL DO THE INSPECTION AND WE DETERMINE WHETHER IT'S SUBSTANDARD OR IT JUST NEEDS TO, UM, GET A NOTICE FOR SEVERAL CODE VIOLATIONS.
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IF A SUBSTANDARD, OUR PROCESS IS THAT WE'LL, UM, PUT A DECLARATION AGAINST THE PROPERTY FOR SUBSTANDARD BUILDING.WE'LL SEND A NOTICE TO THE OWNERS.
WE'LL POST IT EVENTUALLY WITH A DO NOT OCCUPY OR AN ORDER TO VACATE.
AND 60 DAYS AFTER THIS, OR 30 DAYS AFTER, WE SEND OUT THE SUB BUILDING NOTICE, THAT CASE USUALLY WILL BECOME, UH, WILL COME IN FRONT OF THE COURT SO THAT YOU CAN REVIEW THE CASE.
UM, THE ELDER WILL BE HERE, IS THAT THEIR CASE? AND THEN IT'S UP TO THE BOARD WHETHER THEY WANT DECLARE, UH, SUB GIVE THEM THE TIME TO, TO BE AT IT.
AND THEN WE ALSO DO THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE, WHICH IS, UH, ANYTHING FROM TRASH CANS IN THE, IN, IN THE STREET OR IN THE FRONT YARD, DETERIORATED PAINT, BROKEN WINDOWS, DETERIORATED FENCING, ANYTHING THAT'S DETERIORATED.
THAT BUILDING BASICALLY IS WHAT THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE, UH, WOULD ADDRESS.
AND WE HAVE THE INOPERATIVE VEHICLES, THE IN VEHICLES, UH, A LOT OF PEOPLE, THEY JUST, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE 'EM ON THEIR DRIVEWAY, AND TECHNICALLY YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO STORE AN INOPERATIVE VEHICLE IN YOUR DRIVEWAY, AND YOU CAN STORE IT IN THE REAR 50% OF YOUR YARD, UM, ON CONCRETE AND SCREENED OUT FROM THE PUBLIC VIEW.
YOU BAY DRIVE, BASICALLY YOUR DRIVEWAY IS YOUR ACCESS TO YOUR OFF STREET PARKING.
SO YOU CAN'T, UH, RESTORE THOSE IN THE PUBLIC VEHICLE.
SO THE MOTOR HOME VEHICLES FOLLOWED THAT TYPE OF NO MOTOR HOME IF IT'S CURRENTLY REGISTERED AND SO FORTH.
IT JUST, IT IS BASICALLY AN INOPERATIVE VEHICLES ARE VEHICLES THAT WOULD HAVE EXPIRED REGISTRATION.
THEY FOR FLAT TIRES, THEY DON'T RUN AND SO FORTH.
IF THEY CAN PROVE TO US THAT THE VEHICLE RUNS AND IT'S CURRENTLY REGISTERED, UM, THEN THEY CAN, THEY CAN STILL, YOU KNOW, KEEP IT IN THEIR DRIVEWAY.
BUT THE NON-OP THAT YOU GET FROM THE DAV DOESN'T, DOESN'T COUNT.
IT WOULD STILL BE CONSIDERED AN INOPERATIVE YEAR.
AND THEN WE ALSO ADDRESS THE LAND USE VIOLATIONS, ROOM ADDITIONS, UH, THAT ARE CONSTRUCTED WITHOUT PERMITS.
ANYTHING THAT IS DONE WITHOUT PERMITS AND SO FORTH ON, UH, PRIVATE PROPERTY THAT REQUIRES PERMITS BE CARL DOES THE, UH, THE, UH, WE ABATEMENT PROGRAM, UH, COVER ALLEYWAYS AS WELL? IT, IT, IT COVERS THE ALLEYS ON UNAPPROVED ALLEYS.
UM, BASICALLY THE CITY WILL TAKE CARE OF UNAPPROVED ALLEYS IF IT'S AN IMPROVED ALLEY.
THE PROPERTY OWNER IS RESPONSIBLE TO THE MIDDLE OF THE ALLEY, RIGHT? TO KEEP IT CLEAN BEHIND THERE.
SO THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE ALLEY.
WE WOULD SEND NOTICES TO THE OWNER TO CLEAN THAT.
BUT IF IT'S A DIRT ALLEY, THEN BASICALLY YOU WOULD, UH, NOTICE IF, IF YOU WOULD STILL CALL US AND WE WOULD CONTACT THE, THE DIRECT DEPARTMENT TO HAVE IT CLEANED.
AND THEN MOST COMMON VIOLATIONS, SO, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE COMMON VIOLATIONS ARE JUST JUNK AND DEBRIS STORED, THE YARD AREAS, SIDE YARDS, FRONT YARDS, JUST, YOU KNOW, JUNK, JUST A BUNCH OF STUFF OUT, UH, IN THE YARD AREAS.
YEAH, OVERGROW VEGETATION, THE LANDSCAPINGS DETERIOR OR DEAD DYING TREES AND SO FORTH.
UH, WE GOT UNPERMITTED ALTERATIONS, EXCUSE ME, UN PERMITTED, UH, INTERIOR ALTERATIONS TO A DWELLING.
UM, SO JUST TO GO BACK ON SOME OF THAT STUFF FOR THE UNPERMITTED INTERIOR ALTERATIONS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, IF IT'S, IF, IF WE'RE OUT THERE, WE OBSERVE SOMEBODY DOING WORK AND IT'S ACTIVE CONSTRUCTION AND THEY DON'T HAVE A PERMIT, WE'LL WRITE A STOP WORK NOTICE, TAKE PHOTOS, AND WE'LL SEND IT TO DAVID'S GROUP FOR, FOR ACTION.
UM, IF THE WORK IS COMPLETED AND WE FIND IT'S AN UNPERMITTED CODE, ENFORCEMENT WILL ADDRESS IT AND WE'LL MAKE THEM LEGALIZE IT OR CONVERT IT BACK TO ORIGINAL USE.
AND THEN, UM, AND AGAIN, THE INTERIOR ALTERATIONS, YOU KNOW, INCLUDE ELECTRICAL, PLUMBING, MECHANICAL, ANYTHING BUT THE, THE BUILDING IT WOULD, WOULD, UH, BE COVERED.
THEN WE HAVE THE GARAGE CONVERSIONS, UH, WITHOUT PERMITS.
SO OUR PROCESS CHANGED A LITTLE BIT ON THE GARAGE CONVERSIONS DUE TO THE HOUSING CRISIS AND SO FORTH, WHERE, UH, WE USED TO GO OUT.
WE, WE POSTED AN ORDER TO VACATE AND SO FORTH ON THOSE.
BUT NOW, AS IF THE, IF THE GARAGE DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S A DANGEROUS CONDITION, THEY HAVE THE EGRESS WINDOWS AND SO FORTH, THEN WE'LL SEND A NOTICE TO THE OWNER TO, YOU KNOW, UH, LEGALIZE THE GARAGE CONVERSION.
YOU THEN GET, MAKE AN A DU OR CONVERT IT BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL USE.
WHAT WE'RE FINDING LATELY IS MOST OF THE ONES THAT ARE CONVERTED ARE APPLYING FOR THE A DU, SO, WHICH IS A GOOD THING.
AND THEN, LIKE YOUR TRASH CANS AND STUFF, YOU, A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW IN THE CITY THAT YOU CAN'T STORE THEM IN A PUBLIC VIEW.
THEY HAVE TO BE BEHIND THE GATE OR OUT OF VIEW FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, THAT'S INCLUDES OVERFLOWING
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TRASH CONTAINERS AND DUMPSTERS.WHAT WE DO WITH THOSE, UH, WE'LL CITE THE, OR SEND NOTICES TO THE OWNER OF THE, USUALLY IT'S MULTI-UNITS AND, UM, FOR KEEP THAT AREA CLEAN AND TO CLEAN IT UP, IF WE SEE THAT AS, UH, A COUNTER PROBLEM, WE'LL CONTACT REFUGE AND HAVE THEM, UH, INCREASE THE PICKUP, OR THEY'LL DO THEIR OWN INSPECTION AS WELL, AND THEY'LL INVESTIGATE IT.
AND THEN IF THEY DECIDE TO, UH, ADDITIONAL PICKS, CONTACT THE OWNER AND TELL 'EM TO INCREASE THE PICK.
ALRIGHT, SO THE CITATIONS, SO THIS IS WHERE THE BOARD IS VERY FAMILIAR WITH WHAT WE DO WHEN IT COMES TO THE CITATIONS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT BASICALLY MOST OF WHAT YOU SEE, UH, COMING THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE BOARD.
SO WHEN WE START OUT WITH OUR CITATIONS, THE FIRST ONE USUALLY IS A HUNDRED DOLLARS PER OFFENSE, WHICH MEANS IF THERE'S A ZONING VIOLATION, THAT WOULD BE A HUNDRED DOLLARS.
IF THERE WAS ONE THAT FOUGHT, FELL UNDER THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CATEGORY, THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER A HUNDRED DOLLARS.
AND IF IT WAS A WEED ABATEMENT, THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER A HUNDRED DOLLARS.
SO THAT THERE WOULD BE $300 ON ONE CITATION.
IF IT'S UN PERMITTED CONSTRUCTION WITHOUT A PERMIT, THEN THAT'S A THOUSAND DOLLARS.
SO, AND THEN THE SECOND TIME, IF WE HAVE TO ISSUE A SECOND CITATION, IT GOES UP TO 200 FOR EACH OFFENSE.
AND THEN THE THIRD ONE IS 500 AND SO FORTH.
SO IT, IT WOULD STAY AT 500 ALL THE WAY UP TO, WE CAN ISSUE 10 20, WHATEVER THAT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO DO.
WE TRY NOT TO, WE, WE WANT THE COMPLIANCE.
IT'S NOT ABOUT FINDING THE PEOPLE.
IT'S, UH, WHEN WE GET TO THE FINE PART, WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING THAT WE COULD TO WORK WITH THE OWNER.
UM, BUT THAT, THAT IS OUR CITATION PROCESS.
UM, AND THEY DO HAVE THE RIGHT TO APPEAL.
AND THAT'S WHY YOU GUYS HEAR A LOT OF OUR, OUR CASES DUE TO THE APPEALS.
HERE'S JUST SOME BEFORE AND AFTERS.
THIS IS, UH, JUST SOME OF THE STUFF THAT WE, WE ADDRESS OUT IN THE FIELD.
YOU KNOW, THIS ONE HERE, WE DID, THIS IS A MULTI-DEPARTMENT EFFORT.
UH, WE HAD PD OUT THERE, WE HAD PUBLIC WORKS CLEANING TEAM, EVERYBODY OUT TO CLEAN THIS PROPERTY.
UM, AND SO IT WAS A BIG EFFORT, AND AS YOU SEE IT, IT CAME OUT GREAT.
THIS IS ANOTHER PRIVATE RESIDENCE, UM, OVER ON THE WEST SIDE THAT THE BACKYARD, THIS IS, THIS IS A PROPERTY THAT WE PROBABLY CLEANED THREE DIFFERENT TIMES.
UM, SO WE CLEANED THIS PROPERTY AND HERE'S THE AFTERS.
I FORGOT HOW MANY, UH, 40 YARD DUMPSTERS THAT THEY REMOVED, UH, FROM THIS YARD.
BUT, AND THIS ONE WILL COME BACK AGAIN.
YOU KNOW, HE JUST, UM, UNFORTUNATELY HE'S LIKES TO COLLECT THINGS.
SO HERE'S THE INSIDE OF ANOTHER, ANOTHER BUILDING THAT WE WENT TO.
IT JUST WAS A, LIKE A HOARDING, UH, A HOARDING ISSUE.
AND AFTER WE SENT THE NOTICES AND SO FORTH, WE SEE THE PICTURES OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AFTERWARDS.
AND THIS IS ANOTHER PROPERTY, AGAIN, FOR THE WEED ABATEMENT.
THIS IS WHAT WE SAY WE ABATEMENT.
THIS IS WHAT, UH, CONSISTS OF WEAVING THE OVERGROWING WEEDS, THESE BRANCHES GROWING DEN TREES AND STUFF OVER THE FENCE, ALL THE TRASH IN THE ALLEY.
AND THEN YOU'LL SEE THE AFTER PHOTOS.
AND THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE HOW, YOU KNOW, WE, UM, WENT THROUGH ONE PROPERTY, THIS WAS ALL DRY, HAD A LOT OF WEEDS MIXED IN IT AND SO FORTH.
WE SENT A NOTICE AND THE PEOPLE JUST TOTALLY RE-LANDSCAPED IT.
AND THIS IS ANOTHER ONE, JUST AS WAS FOR A DEER DETERIORATED FENCE AND SOME TRASH DEBRIS IN THE BACKYARD.
UM, AND WHAT HAPPENED IS THE OWNER ENDED UP PUTTING A, A NEW FENCE IN AND SOME LANDSCAPE.
THIS IS A PROPERTY HERE ON LONG BEACH BOULEVARD, UM, AT NINE, I THINK IT WAS 9 27 LONG BEACH BOULEVARD.
UH, IT HAD SEVERAL FIRES AFTER THE SQUADS WERE HANGING OUT IN THERE.
THEY'RE GETTING IN THERE DOING DRUGS LIKE FIRES AND, YOU KNOW, AND THAT WAS A, A CONSTANT, CONSTANT PROBLEM, YOU KNOW, COSTING THE CITY LOT OF RESOURCES.
SO WE WORKED DILIGENTLY WITH THE OWNER, UM, OUR, OUR DEPARTMENT CODE ENFORCEMENT, AND ALSO BUILDING THE SAFETY TO GET THEM TO GET THEIR DEMO PERMIT.
WE WORKED WITH THEM TO GET IT, AND THEN THEY ENDED UP GETTING DEMOLISHING THE BUILDING.
THIS IS ANOTHER ONE WHERE, UH, THIS WAS OVER ON THE EAST SIDE WHERE THE OVERHANG WAS STARTING TO PULL AWAY FROM THE BUILDING.
SO WE DID A SUMMARY ABATEMENT ON IT, AND WE GAVE THE OWNER, UM, 48 HOURS TO SHORE IT UP.
AND SO THEY DID, THEY MOVED, UH, FAIRLY QUICKLY.
THEY SHORED IT UP AND THEN THEY REPLACED IT.
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SO, SO THEY MOVED FAIRLY QUICKLY AND IT, IT CAME OUT, IT CAME OUT PRETTY NICE.THEY PUT THE NEW ONE ON ALL, AND DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO THE, THE WINDOW SIGNAGE.
SO, SO THIS IS ANOTHER ONE HERE ON SIXTH STREET.
THIS IS BY THE ARMORY BUILDING.
SO, UM, WE TOOK THIS ONE JUST TO SHOW HOW THE GRAFFITI, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE A BIG BLANK WALL, HOW IT JUST BECOMES A CANVAS FOR PEOPLE TO DO THE GRAFFITI.
THIS ONE HERE, THE OWNER IS VERY RESPONSIVE.
WE WENT OUT THERE AND DID A KNOCK AND TALK WITH THE OWNER AND ASKED HIM TO REMOVE THE GRAFFITI.
AND THEY'VE KEPT IT, THEIR GRAFFITI OFF OF THERE.
UM, FOR THE MOST PART, IT STILL GETS A, SOMETHING ONCE IN A WHILE.
SO THIS IS ANOTHER PROPERTY THAT WAS REALLY, UM, YEAH, I WAS A HEARING, RIGHT? IT JUST, UM, ART WILL TELL YOU AS WELL, WE WERE OUT THERE SEVERAL, SEVERAL TIMES.
WE HAD NUISANCE ABATEMENT CASE ON THIS PROPERTY, UM, IN THESE TWO BUILDINGS HERE.
THEY HAD THE COURTYARD AREA WAS JUST PILED WITH TRASH, AND IT WAS JUST A REAL MESS AND A LOT OF DRUG USAGE THERE, GANG BANGS HANGING OUT AND SO FORTH.
WE GOT WITH THE OWNER, WE, WE DID A SUBSET OF BUILDING CASE ON IT, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE TO DEMO IT.
WE GOT WITH THE CONTRACTOR OR THE, AND THE OWNER, THEY ENDED UP, UH, DOING THE DEMOLITION THEMSELVES.
AND NOW IT'S A HUGE, UH, UM, MULTI-USE BUILDING'S, GOT RETAIL AND RESIDENTIAL.
SO I, IT REALLY, REALLY GOOD FOR THE AREA.
UM, SO THAT'S JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE, JUST SOME OF THE RESULTS THAT WE GET FROM DOING WHAT WE DO.
THIS IS, UH, THE RIGHT BY THE HOSPITAL ON 10TH STREET.
SO THIS WAS, THIS WAS A UNIQUE ONE BECAUSE OF THE ARCHITECT THAT DESIGNED THIS BUILDING, THE HOSPITAL, UM, THEY COULDN'T TEAR IT DOWN RIGHT AWAY.
THEY HAD TO GO THROUGH ALL THESE CERTAIN STEPS.
NOW I'M NOT FAMILIAR EXACTLY WHAT STEPS THEY HAD TO GO, BUT THEY WERE WORKING WITH PLANNING AND IN ZONING AND SO FORTH REGARDING THIS.
AND, UM, IT HAD SEVERAL FIRES AS WELL.
AND WE MET WITH THE, UH, HOSPITAL ADMINISTRATORS ON SE SEVERAL OCCASIONS ABOUT THIS BUILDING.
THEY DID KEEP IT CLEAN, THEY KEPT IT SECURE AS, AS BEST AS THEY COULD.
AND IN THE END, THE, THE STRUCTURE WAS, UH, ABOLISHED BY THE HOSPITAL.
AND THAT CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION.
SO DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THIS? YEAH.
FIRST OF ALL, IT IS SO OBVIOUS FROM THIS THAT YOU HAVE A HUGE JOB TO DO.
'CAUSE YOU, YOU CAN'T SAY IT THAT YOU PROBABLY DON'T HAVE NEARLY ENOUGH STAFF TO COVER ALL THIS.
YEAH, WE CAN ALWAYS USE MORE STAFF.
AND WE'RE SHORT STAFFED IS WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING JUST LIKE BUILDING AND SAFETY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN IN THE HIRING PROCESS.
BUT LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT AN AREA THAT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THAT I DON'T SEE FEATURED VERY MUCH HERE, WHICH IS REALLY THE REALITY THAT WE DO HAVE A LOT OF, AS YOU KNOW, A LOT OF DANGEROUSLY SUBSTANDARD HOUSING, WHICH PUTS AT RISK THE HEALTH, UM, SOME OF OUR FELLOW RESIDENTS.
AND SO I'M CURIOUS IF YOU HAVE, I KNOW THERE'VE BEEN POSTINGS ONLINE, EVEN POSTINGS SOMETIMES FROM CITY COUNCIL, WHICH IDENTIFY PROPERTIES THAT HAVE REPEATED PROBLEMS, WHICH EVEN SEEM TO IDENTIFY SOMETIMES OWNERS WHO HAVE PERSISTENT PROBLEMS ACROSS MANY PROPERTIES.
MM-HMM,
THE REACTION, EVERYTHING, RIGHT? YEAH.
WE, AGAIN, WE'RE REACTIVE, RIGHT? SO I MEAN, WE'RE NOT PROACTIVE OUT THERE LOOKING FOR THESE, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, IF WE DO, UM, AND WE KNOW WHO THE, WHO A LOT OF THE LANDLORDS ARE, RIGHT? THAT OUR REPEAT OFFENDERS.
AND SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA OF, OF WHICH UNITS IN THE CITY THAT REALLY, UM, ARE ON THE RADAR FOR BEING SUBSTANDARD OR, YOU KNOW, A CONSTANT PROBLEM IN NOT TAKING CARE OF THE UNITS.
SO, UM, I DON'T REALLY HAVE AN ANSWER FOR WHAT WE'RE SAYING BECAUSE WE DON'T GO OUT AND LOOK FOR THESE.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE, YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE A MANDATE TO FOCUS ON THOSE WHO HAVE REASON TO BELIEVE ARE SERIOUS OFFENDER? NO, NO.
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IT'S SERIOUS OFFENDER, I MEAN, IF THE SERIOUS OFFENDER, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA HEAR FROM US, RIGHT? WE'RE GONNA DO OUR PROCESS AND, AND CITE 'EM AND, AND WHATEVER, HOW THE RECOURSES START A NUISANCE ABATEMENT CASE ON 'EM IF WE NEED TO, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA DO, WE'RE GONNA DO ENFORCEMENT ON IT.BUT AS FAR AS A MANDATE OF, OH, YOU HAVE TO GO LOOK THROUGH THESE AND SO FORTH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THE PRI COMES IN, BECAUSE DOES REQUIRE THAT WE GO OUT AND WE DO AN INSPECTING OF THE MULTI-UNITS, RIGHT? SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, UM, A LOT OF TIMES THEY'RE OWNER OCCUPIED, RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO GET THE OWNER TO TAKE CARE OF THE PLACE THEIRSELVES OR IF IT IS BEING RENTED, YOU HAS A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING.
BUT AGAIN, WE'RE NOT PROACTIVE IN, IN THAT AREA.
AND SO, I JUST DID ONE FURTHER THOUGHT ON THIS.
TO BE ABLE TO EITHER DO P WR MORE FREQUENTLY, WHICH WOULD OBVIOUSLY REQUIRE A LOT OF MONEY, REQUIRE MORE STAFF, OR TO FOCUS ON KNOWN PAST OFFENDERS, YOU WOULD NEED AN ADDITIONAL MANDATE AND PROBABLY ADDITIONAL FUNDING FROM THE CITY COUNCIL.
IS THAT A FAIR GUESS? OH, FOR STAFFING, YEAH.
WE WOULD NEED, WE DEFINITELY WOULD NEED MORE MONEY.
UM, AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, UH, THE REPEAT OFFENDERS AND SO FORTH, THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE, WE, IT TAKES RESEARCH, RIGHT? HOW DO WE KNOW WHICH PROPERTY IS CONSTANTLY THE, THE PROBLEM CHILD, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, WE GET SOME, THEY MIGHT BE A REPEAT MAYBE A YEAR LATER, MAYBE TWO YEARS LATER.
BUT WHAT MAKES THEM IN THAT CATEGORY IS A CONSTANT.
AND WE'RE OUT THERE ALL THE TIME, SO THAT, THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T JUST OFF THE TOP RIGHT? SAY, OH YEAH, THIS IS A BAD ONE, THIS GUY'S A BAD GUY.
AND YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING? YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO ADD TO THAT, SIR.
UM, SO THE WAY THAT WE OPERATE, IT'S, WE FOLLOW WHAT WE CALL DUE PROCESS, RIGHT? WHERE WE HAVE TO GIVE NOTICE, WE HAVE TO HAVE A CAUSE, RIGHT? AND WITH THAT CAUSE MEANS THAT SOMEBODY NEEDS TO TELL US THAT THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG.
SO THERE MAY BE SOME PROPERTIES OUT THERE WHERE THEY MIGHT NOT BE IN A NICE CONDITION, RIGHT? OR TO STANDARD, BUT THE FOLKS THAT ARE INHABITING THOSE UNITS, THEY'RE NOT CALLING US.
THERE'S TIMES WHERE WE GET A NEIGHBOR TO CALL US OR A FAMILY MEMBER THAT SAYS, HEY, THEY'RE HAVING SOME ISSUES.
OKAY, WE, WE'LL TRY TO GO OUT THERE, COME WITH THE CITY INSPECTOR, DA DA DA, DA.
CAN WE, UH, WE, UH, CAN WE COME IN AND INSPECT? WE HEARD, UH, YOU HAVE HAD SOME ISSUES.
FOR WHATEVER REASON, THEY DON'T GIVE US ACCESS.
SO WE CAN'T EXPECT, WE CAN'T FORCE OUR WAY IN THERE.
SO THAT'S TO THE EXTENT THAT WE DO TRY TO BE, UH, CONDUCIVE TO SERVING THE PUBLIC BEST INTEREST.
SO IN THOSE SITUATIONS THAT WE THINK THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING OUT THERE, WE TRY OUR BEST TO GET OUT THERE.
BUT IF WE'RE BEING TOLD NO, EVERYTHING'S OKAY, THERE'S NO FURTHER ACTION THAT WE CAN TAKE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO GO IN THERE UNLESS THEY GIVE US PERMISSION.
AND SO THERE'S TIMES, EVEN WHEN THE PROPERTY OWNER SAYS, HEY, THIS, THIS UNIT'S IN BAD SHAPE, UM, THE TENANT'S NOT LETTING UNIT US IN.
AND SO WE'LL GO OUT THERE, THEY TELL US NO.
AND AGAIN, WE, WE NEED TO SEE SOMETHING THAT'S HAPPENING IN ORDER FOR US TO EVEN GO FURTHER AND TO GO TO COURT TO GET AN INSPECTION WARRANT.
BUT WE CAN'T, WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T BEEN INSIDE 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT LETTING US IN.
SO THAT, THAT BECOMES A LANDLORD TENANT ISSUE AND USUALLY RESULTS WITH EVICTION BECAUSE THAT'S JUST A COURSE THAT SOMETIMES IT TAKES.
BUT, SO WE DO TRY, BUT WE HAVE LIMITATIONS ON WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO.
JUST LIKE LAW ENFORCEMENT, THEY CAN'T JUST BARGE INTO ANY PROPERTY, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S BAD GUYS IN THERE DOING BAD THINGS, THEY CAN'T JUST BARGE IN THERE.
AND SO WE NEED CALLS AND SOMETIMES WE EVEN TALK TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND SAY, HEY, THIS SITUATION, WHAT CAN'T WE LEGALLY DO AND NOT DO HERE? AND SO SOMETIMES WE GIVE US GUIDANCE AND WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THAT GUIDANCE BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO VIOLATE THE TENANT'S RIGHTS OR IN SOME CASES THE OWNER'S RIGHTS.
AND SO WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL WITH THAT.
SO YES, WE DID TRY AS BEST AS WE CAN SOMETIMES.
UNFORTUNATELY, THE TENANTS ARE UNCOOPERATIVE RIGHT NOW.
AND I, I WANT TO SAY, I'M NOT ASKING THESE QUESTIONS AS A CRITICISM OF YOU, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THAT NEITHER YOU NOR THIS COMMISSION HAVE US EVEN LESS HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO IN EVEN WHERE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE PROBLEMS. I'M RAISING THIS BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A, IT'S A BROADER POLICY ISSUE, WHICH IS NOT YOURS TO RESOLVE, BUT HE'S ONE REALLY FOR THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR TO ADDRESS AND RESOLVE.
SO IN SITUATIONS WHERE WE HAVE A PROPERTY THAT WE'VE DONE A TRIP ON ALREADY, BUT SAY WE HAVE A PATTERN, HEY, WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF COMPLAINTS FOR THESE PARTICULAR ISSUES, SO WE'LL SCHEDULE ANOTHER TRIP.
SO THAT'S WHY IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT MORE EFFORT AND TIME.
AND IT, THAT'S WHY THE, THE TIMELINE KIND OF EXPANDED BECAUSE WE DID GO BACK, WE DID I THE DOTS ON PEOPLE'S DOORS AND TRY TO INSPECT AS MANY UNITS AS WE COULD.
AND SOMETIMES WE GOT LUCKY, SOMEBODY LET US IN.
SOMETIMES THEY TALKED TO US, SOMETIMES THEY SAID, NO, EVERYTHING'S GOOD.
AND I WOULD EXPECT, UM, THAT THIS IS PARTICULARLY A PROBLEM FOR VERY LOW INCOME AND UNDOCUMENTED
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TENANTS.UM, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG TO GUESS THAT PROPORTIONALLY YOU GET A LOT MORE COMPLAINTS ABOUT MINOR VISIBLE ISSUES IN HIGHER INCOME AREAS THAN ABOUT SERIOUS HEALTH AND SAFETY THREATENING ISSUES IN LOW INCOME AREAS.
I WOULDN'T SAY THAT, BUT I KNOW REGARDLESS OF THE LANGUAGE BARRIER, SOMETIMES WE DO HAVE OUR STAFF THAT SPEAK VARIOUS LANGUAGES.
SO WE DO HAVE THAT CAPABILITY TO REACH OUT.
UM, BUT AGAIN, IT'S, WE HAVE STAFF, WE HAVE TENANTS FROM DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE WORLD, SOMETIMES DIFFERENT THEY GROUPS WAYS.
SO FOR, FOR, FOR THEIR STANDARDS, THEY'RE OKAY WITH THAT.
BUT THE STANDARDS HERE, THEY DON'T MEET THOSE STANDARDS.
BUT AGAIN, WE'RE NOT THERE TO JUDGE 'EM WHEN WE GO THERE.
IT'S JUST, ARE THERE ANY VIOLATIONS THAT VIOLATE ANY OF OUR MUNICIPAL CODES OR BUILDING CODES? THAT'S WHAT WE LOOK FOR.
AND SO THAT'S ANOTHER FINE LINE THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW.
'CAUSE YOU MIGHT SEE IT AND GO, OOH, THAT'S A, THAT'S A VIOLATION.
BUT THEN WE GO IN THERE AND WE LOOK AT ARE THERE ANY VIOLATIONS OF THE CODES? YEAH.
AND IN SOME CASES, NO, THEY JUST NEED IT CLEAN SOMETIMES IF THEY DON'T CLEAN.
BUT THERE'S NO VIOLATIONS OF ANY CODES, THERE'S NO NOTHING WRONG WITH ELECTRICAL, PLUMBING, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT, THAT WE DO TRY TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND, BUT WE HAVE LIMITATIONS LEGALLY THAT WE CAN'T
I'M IDENTIFYING 'CAUSE WE'RE ALL ALSO CITIZENS OF LONG BEACH.
AN ISSUE THAT WE MAY NEED TO HELP YOU ON AS CITIZENS OF LONG BEACH AS OPPOSED TO IN OUR CAPACITY AS MEMBERS OF THIS COMMISSION.
AND OUR GOAL IS TO MAINTAIN AND SUSTAIN OUR HOUSING STUFF.
AS CARL MENTIONED, THERE IS A SHORTAGE IN THE STATE.
AND SO WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO POSSIBLY MAINTAIN THOSE PROPERTIES, ESPECIALLY THOSE MULTI-UNIT PROPERTIES.
WE DO DO HAVE QUITE A BIT ON THE WEST SIDE HERE THAT ARE REALLY OLD.
RIGHT? AND SO WE TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE SUSTAIN BY DOING OUR PART TO MAINTAIN THOSE PROPERTIES.
SOMEBODY CAN LIVE THERE AND OCCUPY AND NOT GET TO THE STREET OR ANY OTHER SITUATION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL THANK YOU.
BEFORE THEY CONTINUE, AND YOU WILL NOW TAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT.
ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, PLEASE? UH, DO SO NOW? NOPE.
WE A MOTION? THERE WAS A, WE HAVE A MOTION VOTE.
SO WE'RE GONNA TAKE A VOTE ON THE LAST PRESENTATION.
UM, WE HAVE A MOTION, UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS MOTION BY, UH, MR. ESPARZA AND MR. ENRIQUEZ.
UM, SO I WILL TAKE ROLL CALL AND THAT WOULD BE CHARLES WHITEHEAD.
AND THEN NOW WE TAKE A MOTION FOR THE, SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECEIVE THE NEXT PRESENTATION? YES, I KNOW I MOVE.
I GOT A FIRST AND A SECOND IF THAT WORKS.
UM, SO, UH, I GUESS, UH, AS YOU'VE NOTICED, THE CITY CLERK IS HERE AND, AND GOING THROUGH ALL THE, UH, WE WANNA CALL IT THE PA PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURES, UM, KIND OF WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, THE ROBERTS RULES OF ORDERS AS WELL AS WHAT'S REQUIRED IN THE BROWN ACT, WHICH IS USUALLY FROM CITY COUNCIL.
BUT THE BROWN ACT APPLIES TO ALL COMMISSIONS, UH, AND COMMITTEES THAT, UM, ARE CREATED BY, UH, THE COUNCIL.
SO, UM, AND THERE'S BEEN AN EMPHASIS, OR THERE IS AN EMPHASIS NOW ON MAKING SURE ALL THE COMMISSIONS LIKE THIS COMMISSION, UM, IS COMPLYING WITH THOSE THINGS.
AND SO I NEED TO APOLOGIZE BECAUSE I'VE BEEN LAX IN REQUIRING THE FORMALITIES, UM, BASED ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS, WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED HERE, WHICH IS A LOT OF APPEALS FROM CODE ENFORCEMENT RELATING, WELL, YOU GUYS KNOW, I MEAN, RELATING TO ALL THE DIFFERENT ISSUES, SOME SUB SUBSTANDARD BUILDINGS, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE SOME THINGS COMING IN FROM, UM, BUILDING AND SAFETY, UM, IN TERMS OF VIOLATIONS.
AND SO, UM, WHICH IS REALLY THE MEAT OF WHAT YOU GUYS DO.
AND, UM, IN TERMS OF THE SPECIFIC, UH, PROCEDURES, I, YOU KNOW, THAT'S MY JOB.
AND SO, UM, I'LL APOLOGIZE NOW.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, I'M, THIS IS MY LAST WEEK HERE RETIRING AT THE, AT THE END OF THE WEEK.
AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, IT'S ALSO PART OF MY
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SAYING GOODBYE, BUT, YOU KNOW, I, I HAVE TO TAKE SOME RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT.AND SO I DON'T WANT IT TO SEEM LIKE A, IT'S, UH, ON THE COMMISSION OR ANYONE ELSE HERE.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, KIND OF FOLLOWS ON ME.
AND SO, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT, I'M GOING INTO THE BROWN ACT PRESENTATION, WHICH I'M NOT SURE, I THINK THE NEWER BOARD MEMBERS HAVE MAYBE GONE THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION OR HAS HAD SOME KIND OF A BROWN ACT PRESENTATION AS PART OF YOUR ONBOARDING.
WELL, MORE, MORE RECENTLY, I, I HAD, I WAS ASSIGNED A ONLINE TRAINING FOR THE BROWN ACT AND, AND, UH, ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE GOT THROUGH THAT.
YEAH, SO THE NEWER MEMBERS, I'M NOT SURE OF THE LITTLE BIT OLDER MEMBERS, IF YOU GUYS HAD GONE THROUGH THE BRO ACT PRESENTATION SIMILAR TO WHAT, UM, THE BOARD MEMBERS SZA WAS TALKING ABOUT.
BUT ANYWAYS, UM, I'LL JUST GO THROUGH THIS REALLY QUICKLY.
THE, UM, THERE WAS A POWERPORT PRESENTATION THAT WAS PREPARED BY, UM, TAYLOR ANDERSON WHO USED TO BE IN OUR OFFICE.
IT'S NOT LONG, AND IT DOES A REALLY GOOD JOB OF KIND OF EXPLAINING THE BROWN ACT REQUIREMENTS.
SO I WOULD SUGGEST, AND I THINK CARL, I DON'T KNOW IF HE HASN'T GIVEN IT TO YOU, BUT HE CAN GIVE YOU THE, THE LINK.
IT'S KIND OF ON YOUTUBE NOW, UM, TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
SO IF YOU GUYS WANT TO DO, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR YOU HAVE A REFRESHER OR NEED A REFRESHER, LOOK AT THAT.
BUT ANYWAYS, THE BROWN ACT WAS ENACTED IN 1953.
IT'S ONE OF CALIFORNIA'S, UH, SUNSHINE, SUNSHINE LAWS, WHICH MEANS, UH, EVERYTHING'S OUT IN THE OPEN.
UM, IT'S ALL ABOUT, UM, TRANSPARENCY AND, UM, HAVING EVERYTHING DONE IN PUBLIC.
SO, UM, EVERY PRESENTATION IS DONE IN PUBLIC.
UH, THE DELIBERATIONS ARE DONE IN PUBLIC, THE VOTING'S DONE IN PUBLIC, KIND OF LIKE THIS.
THIS IS TECHNICALLY A PUBLIC SPACE.
I MEAN, WE'RE IN A, A CONFERENCE ROOM, BUT IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
SO IF THE PUBLIC WANTED TO COME IN HERE, THEY CAN DO IT.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE HERE TODAY.
BUT, UM, AND WE ARE DOING THESE SECTIONS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT 'CAUSE IT'S REQUIRED BY THE PROJECT.
SO, UM, AND I'M SORRY, I'M KIND OF GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH MY GLASSES HERE.
BUT, UM, SO THE BRUN ACT IS, UM, ABOUT OPEN AND PUBLIC MEETINGS.
UM, THE ACCIDENTS DELAYED, DELIBERATIONS TAKEN BY THIS BODY ARE OPEN.
UM, THE PUBLIC HAS THE RIGHT TO ATTEND AND PARTICIPATE IN ALL THESE MEETINGS.
AND THEN, UM, ONLY MATTERS THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA CAN BE DISCUSSED BY THE BOARD.
UM, SO THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE THE AGENDAS THAT MAISHA CREATES.
AND, UM, AND THOSE MATTERS THAT ONLY MATTERS YOU GUYS, UM, HERE BECAUSE THAT IS NOTICED PUBLICLY, AND I'LL KIND OF GO INTO THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT.
UM, AND SO WHEN THE PUBLIC COMES IN, IF THEY FEEL INTERESTED IN COMING IN, AND WE'VE HAD SOME TIMES WHEN THE PUBLIC HAS BEEN IN HERE, UH, AND THEY HAVE MADE SOME COMMENTS THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO DO THAT.
SO, UM, THE BROWN ACT APPLIES TO LEGISLATIVE BODIES AND THEN SUBCOMMITTEES CREATED, UM, BY FORMAL ACTION, WHICH IS THE WAY THIS BODY WAS CREATED, IS SUBJECT TO, UM, A MUNICIPAL CODE, UH, WAS GRADED OR WAS PASSED BY CITY COUNCIL IN CREATING THIS BOARD.
SO THAT'S WHY THE BRU ACT APPLIES TO THIS BODY.
UM, IT ALSO APPLIES TO, UM, A BODY OR ENTITY THAT RECEIVE FUNDS FROM THE CITY OR THEIR GOVERNING BODY, INCLUDING COUNCIL MEMBERS.
SO, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK YOU GUYS HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT, BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT IT WAS.
IT'S ALL IN THIS PRESENTATION.
UM, FOR MEETINGS, WHAT IS A MEETING? UM, SO MEETINGS, ANY COMMUNICATION OR ANY CON ANY CONGREGATION OF A MAJORITY OF THE MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD.
SO NOW I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT SOMEONE JUST RESIGNED, SO NOW THERE'S SIX MEMBERS.
SO ANYTIME THAT, UM, WELL MAJORITY WOULD BE THREE PLUS ONE, WHICH WOULD BE FOUR BE.
SO, AND IF YOU, IF ANY OF YOU FOUR COMMUNICATED ABOUT SOMETHING THAT WAS AGENDIZED, THAT WOULD BE A BROWN ACT VIOLATION.
AND I'LL KIND OF GO THROUGH THIS A LITTLE BIT OF THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF YOU'RE NODDING.
SO YOU GUYS HAVE HEARD THIS BEFORE.
SO THE QUORUM IS A MAJORITY, SO THAT IT WOULD BE, UH, 50% PLUS ONE MEMBER.
SO IN THIS CASE BE THREE PLUS FIVE, WHICH WOULD BE FOUR OF YOU.
UM, SO IF I CAN TEST AN EXAMPLE OF THAT, WHEN MAISHA VERY NICELY BRINGS US TOGETHER FOR LUNCH ONCE A YEAR, WE SHOULD NOT BE TALKING ABOUT BUSINESS.
IS THAT CORRECT? BECAUSE THAT THEN COULD BECOME A MEETING.
I MEAN, AND, AND DEFINITELY NOT TALKING ABOUT ANYTHING THAT'S ON THE AGENDA OR YOU THINK IS GOING TO BE ON THE AGENDAS
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AND WHEN YOU GET IN TROUBLE.UM, SO LET ME TALK ABOUT THE, UM, THE COMMUNICATIONS THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
UM, SO THERE'S A SERIAL COMMUNICATION, WHICH IS, UM, IT IS PROHIBITED.
UH, AND THAT'S WHERE EACH COMMUNICATION INVOLVES LESS THAN THE MAJORITY OF THE MEMBERS.
BUT, UM, THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF THE COMMUNICATED, UH, TOTAL AMOUNT OF THE COMMUNICATION IN THE SERIES INVOLVES THE MAJORITY OF THE BODY SO THAT SOMEONE TALKS TO SOMEONE.
UM, SO LET'S JUST SAY MR. SPAR SPEAKS WITH MS. LIPSON, AND THEN MS. LIPSON THEN SPEAKS WITH MR. WHITEHEAD, AND THEN MR. WHITEHEAD SPEAKS WITH MR. ASKIN.
ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU KNOW, IT BECOMES A MAJORITY OF THE BOARD THAT'S TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING.
THAT IS A COMMUNICATION THAT'S PROHIBITED BY THE BROWN ACT.
UM, SO HOW DO THOSE TYPES OF SERIAL COMMUNICATIONS COME ABOUT? ONE, AND THESE ARE THE THEORY.
ONE'S CALLED THE HUB AND SPOKE, WHICH IS WHAT I JUST KIND OF DESCRIBED TO YOU, WHERE ONE COMMUNICATION KIND KIND OF GOES DOWN LINE.
NEXT THING YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A MAJORITY OF THE BOARD SPEAKING WITH EACH OTHER.
UM, UH, LET'S SEE, OR, UH, I'M SORRY, THAT'S THE, I JUST EXPLAIN THE DAISY CHAIN
SO LET'S JUST SAY MS. LIPSON SPEAKS WITH MR. ESPARZA, AND THEN MS. LIPSON SPEAKS WITH MR. WHITEHEAD, AND THEN MS. LIPSON SPEAKS WITH MR. KIN.
THEN THAT IS CONSIDERED A COMMUNICATION FROM MAJORITY OF THE BOARD REGARDING THE ITEM THAT'S ON THE AGENDA.
THAT WOULD BE A VIOLATION OF THE PRODUCT.
SO, UM, I'M TRYING TO GO THROUGH THIS AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE, UH, EVERYONE HERE IS READY TO, TO LEAVE.
SO, UM, A UM, THIS ALSO APPLIES TO REPRESENTATIVES OF BOARD MEMBERS.
UM, I MEAN, IT'S MORE REALLY FOR COUNSEL, BUT IN THIS SITUATION, IF YOU GUYS HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE AND THAT REPRESENTATIVE, SO REPRESENTATIVE MS. LIPSON DOES THE SAME COMMUNICATIONS WITH MR. ESPARZA, WITH MR. WHITEHEAD AND THEN MR. ASINS, THEN THAT IS ALSO A BROWN ACT VIOLATION.
SO YOU CAN'T GET AROUND THE BROWN ACT BY, YOU'RE JUST HAVING SOMEONE ELSE CONTACT FOR YOU.
UM, AND THEN THIS IS A WEIRD ONE 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, I'M STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THIS WHOLE SOCIAL MEDIA THING, BUT SO EMAILS, TEXTS, OR SOCIAL MEDIA, SO THAT THIS WOULD INCLUDE IF, UM, ON SOCIAL MEDIA, SOMEONE'S CON COMMENTING.
SO LET'S SAY MS. LIPSON COMMENTS ON, MAKES A COMMENT ON SOCIAL MEDIA ABOUT IT, SOMETHING THAT RELATES TO AN ITEM THAT YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO HEAR.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, MR. ESPARZA COMMENTS ON IT, THEN MR. WHITEMAN COMMENTS ON YOUR COMMENT, AND THEN MR. KIN COMMENTS ON IT.
AND EVEN, I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE MR. ENRIQUE OUT OF THIS, BUT, YOU KNOW, LET'S JUST
SO THAT'S ALL THAT IS CONSIDERED, THAT CAN BE CONSIDERED BROUGHT VIOLATION.
SO JUST I NEED TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW.
NOT THAT, NOT THAT THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT THAT IS ALSO A VIOLATION.
DOES THIS GO SPECIFICALLY TO AGENDA ITEMS OR MORE GENERALLY TO, IT GOES TO AGENDA ITEMS, BUT IF, IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW IS GOING TO EVENTUALLY COME TO YOUR ATTENTION, THEN THAT IS, WOULD BE CONSIDERED A PRODUCT ACT.
BECAUSE EVERYTHING YOU DO, EVERYTHING YOU DELIBERATE ABOUT NEEDS TO BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND DISCUSSED HERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, PROBLEMS OCCUR WHEN YOU GO OUTSIDE OF THIS ROOM AND YOU START HAVING DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON.
SO YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO BE CAREFUL.
AND THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE, UM, UH, LIKE BEING A JUROR.
WELL, WHILE A LITTLE LOOSER, BUT WELL, BUT, UM, SO IT'S IMPORTANT IN THAT YOU ALL UNDERSTAND THE POSITIONS YOU GUYS ARE IN.
AND SO ONCE YOU LEAVE HERE AND YOU HEAR THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A CODE ENFORCEMENT MATTER OR THAT'S A SUB BUILDING MATTER, OR THAT IS A, UH, BUILDING VIOLATION, IT'S A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE, IT, THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT THAT COULD COME BEFORE YOU IF IT'S WITHIN THE LONG BEACH JURISDICTIONS.
AND SO THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE TO, UM, BE CAREFUL, UH, BECAUSE OF THE BROWN ACT.
UM, AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WHEN THINKING ABOUT THE BROWN ACT IS ALL ABOUT BEING OPEN AND TRANSPARENT ABOUT EVERYTHING YOU DO SO THAT THE, UH, PUBLIC HAS CONFIDENCE IN, UM, THE GOVERNMENT AND GOVERNMENT AGENCIES AND THE GOVERNMENT BOARD LIKE YOU GUYS ARE, UM, THAT YOU ARE DOING EVERYTHING CORRECTLY.
SO, I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF THE THING.
SO FOR AGENDAS, POSTING THE AGENDAS, UH, I POST THE AGENDAS 72 HOURS IN ADVANCE OF THIS MEETING
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IF WE HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING AND WE DON'T.BUT IF YOU HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING, YOU HAVE TO, OR SHE WOULD HAVE TO POST THE AGENDA 24 HOURS BEFORE THE MEETING.
AND THAT'S THE AGENDA, POSTING REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE PRODUCT.
UM, AND THEN THE AGENDA NEEDS TO DESCRIBE EACH OF THE ITEMS THAT ARE GONNA BE HEARD BY THE BOARD, WHICH INCLUDES A BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF EACH ITEM, THE DATE, TIME, AND LOCATION OF WHERE THIS MEETING'S OCCURRING.
UM, SHE'S ALWAYS GONNA HAVE THE SAME PLACE.
IT'S JUST THE DATE AND THE TIME DOESN'T CHANGE.
SO IT'S REALLY THE DATES THAT ARE GONNA CHANGE.
UM, SHE, SHE, THE AGENDA NEEDS TO INFORM THE PUBLIC OF THE SCOPE OF THIS BODY'S, UM, INTENDED PLANS.
SO EVERYTHING YOU GUYS INTEND TO SPEAK OF DELIBERATE ABOUT.
AND THEN THE LAST THING NEEDS, UM, IT NEEDS TO BE POSTED IN A LOCATION FREELY ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU POST, WHERE DO YOU POST THIS? DOWN IN THE FRONT LOBBY.
IS IT, IS IT POSTED ALL? AND I NEVER EVEN NOTICED THAT.
SO IS IT COMMUNICATED A POSTING IN THE LOBBY ELECTRONICALLY ISSUED TO ME PUBLIC AT LARGE SOMEHOW? SAY THAT AGAIN.
I MEAN, THE FACT THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A MEETING, IS IT POSTED LIKE IN A NEWSPAPER OR ONLINE? WE HAVE A PUBLIC PORTAL WITH ALL OF THE MEETING BODIES ON THERE AND THE CITY PORTAL IT'S INCLUDED THE CITY OPPOSITE.
SO THAT'S, THAT COUNTS AS WEBSITE.
THAT COUNTS AS A PUBLIC POSTING POST ELECTRONIC.
AND ON THE 72 HOURS, IF THE MEETING'S ON MONDAY CAN YOU POST FRIDAY AND THE WEEKEND COUNTS AS THE 72 HOURS OR THE WEEKEND IS INCLUDED IN THE 72 HOURS.
WE USUALLY SEND IT THURSDAYS, RIGHT? MM-HMM?
OH, IT PUTS IT ON THE WEB WEB ON THE WEDNESDAY USUALLY THOUGH.
UM, SO, AND, AND IT DOESN'T REALLY INVOLVE THIS, BUT THE LOCATION HAS TO BE WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE CITY, SO WITHIN THE CITY'S JURISDICTION.
UM, AND THIS, UH, CONFERENCE ROOM NEEDS TO BE ACCESSIBLE UNDER THE AMERICAN DISABILITIES ACT.
SO, UM, AND IT'S, I'M GONNA BUG YOU WITH ONE OTHER BORDERLINE ISSUE.
BORDERLINE
BUT HYPOTHETICALLY, I'M NOT PLAYING DO THIS, BUT HYPOTHETICALLY, IF A MAJORITY OF US SAT DOWN TO TALK ABOUT POTENTIAL CHANGES TO THE CITY ORDINANCE THAT GOVERNS THE DEPARTMENT, I WOULD GUESS THAT WOULD BE AT LEAST BORDERLINE OF A VIOLATION, EVEN IF IT DOESN'T GO TO AGENDA, OR WOULD IT NOT BE WELL, SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE POLICY THING THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH RIGHT? I'M TALKING ABOUT POLICY AS OPPOSED TO WELL, THAT'S A, THAT'S A CITY COUNCIL THING AND UH, I DON'T BECAUSE YOU ARE, YOU, I MEAN YOU'RE ACTING INDIVIDUALLY AND, AND YOU'RE TRYING TO DO THAT.
YOU'RE NOT, UM, TALKING TO THE BOARD.
YOU SHOULDN'T BE TALKING TO OTHER BOARD MEMBERS ABOUT IT.
SO, UM, YOU MIGHT WANT TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT THAT.
IT WOULD BE IMP PRUDENT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT OR A HUB AND SCOPE DISCUSSION AMONG THE MAJORITY OF BOARD MEMBERS.
WELL, I MEAN, SO THE POLICY IS UNDER THE COUNCIL'S THING, UNDER THE COUNCIL'S JURISDICTION, THEY WOULD BRING DOWN THAT POLICY THAT WOULD GO TO CODE ENFORCEMENT.
SO YOU, IT WOULDN'T CHANGE WHAT YOU DO AS A BOARD MEMBER HERE BECAUSE YOU WOULD BE DOING THE SAME THING.
IT'S JUST HOW CODE ENFORCEMENT WOULD BE DOING WHAT THEY DO.
SO IT WOULDN'T BE A VIOLATION BECAUSE IT WOULD BE, YOU WOULD STILL HAVE THE SAME SCOPE THAT YOU GUYS LOOK AT.
SO THAT WOULD BE A CITY COUNCIL THEN I, MAY I ADD SOMETHING? YEAH.
A LOT OF THE BROWN ACT IS PERCEPTION FROM THE PUBLIC ON WHETHER OR NOT YOU ARE VIOLATING THE BROWN ACT.
SO IF THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT THE PUBLIC PERCEIVES THAT YOU ARE VIOLATING THE BROWN ACT, THEN THAT COULD LEAD INTO, UM, A CASE TO LOOK INTO A POTENTIAL VIOLATION.
THAT'S WHY I THINK OF THAT AS A, AT LEAST A BORDERLINE ISSUE.
WELL, SO THE BRU ACT IS SET UP THE WAY IT IS, BUT AS BOARD MEMBERS, YOU ALWAYS WANT TO AVOID ANYTHING THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S IMPROPER OR ANY KIND OF IMPROPRIETY THAT THE PUBLIC CAN PERCEIVE AS BEING IMPROPER.
SO THAT THERE IS NO CLAIM, THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS.
UM, AND THE PUBLIC IS FINE WITH WHAT YOU DO, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF, IT'S THE SAME THING, RIGHT? KIND OF A ROUNDABOUT WAY OF SAYING THE SAME THING.
UH, WHAT THEY'RE BOTH SAYING IS THAT MIGHT BE BORDERLINE, BUT IT WOULD BE IMPROVED.
SO DON'T, AND YOU WANT TO, I MEAN, BETTER SAFE THAN SORRY.
SO IF YOU WANT BE OVER, OVER, UM, UH, SENSITIVE TO IT, THEN THAT'S HOW YOU RETRIEVE IT.
SO WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY VIOLATE THEM? SO WE HERE LOG INTO THAT.
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OF THE PUBLIC UNDER THE BROWN ACT ARE TO COMMENT, TO RECORD, AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE RECORDINGS FROM THE FIRST AMENDMENT AUDITOR THING, UH, TO REVIEW, TO ATTEND WITHOUT HAVING TO REGISTER BEFORE ATTENDING, AND THEN TO WITNESS THE VOTES OF THE, UH, IN THIS CASE, THE BOARD MEMBERS.SO THAT'S THE PUBLIC'S, RIGHT? AND THEY HAVE EVERY, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN SIT IN HERE AND DO EVERYTHING THAT, AND WATCH EVERYTHING THAT THIS BOARD DOES.
UM, AND YOU, THERE'S AN AREA THAT TALKS ABOUT CLOSED SESSIONS THEN THAT IS NOT PART OF THE PUBLIC, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THOSE, HERE'S WHATEVER VIOLATION.
SO IF THERE IS A VIOLATION THERE, UH, CIVILLY, UM, UH, THEY CAN, UH, FILE AN ACTION CIVILLY TO PREVENT ANY FUTURE VIOLATIONS.
AND THEY COULD ALSO FILE AN ACT, FILE AN CIVILLY TO PREVENT WHATEVER ACTION THAT WAS TAKEN IMPROPERLY FROM, FROM OCCURRING.
SO THEY CAN PREVENT THAT FROM OCCURRING AND THEY FILE A CIVIL ACTION.
THE OTHER PART ABOUT FILING THE CIVIL ACTION IS IN, WHEN THEY DO THAT, THEY'RE ENTITLED TO THEIR COST AND ATTORNEY'S FEES, WHICH COULD BE LARGE.
AND SO IT'S PRETTY, PRETTY HEFTY SUM AND PRETTY HEFTY PENALTY IF THAT WERE TO OCCUR.
AND THEN ON THE CRIMINAL END, AND THERE IS A CRIMINAL PART OF IT IS, UH, A CRIMINAL VIOLATION OF THE BROWN ACT COULD BE, WELL, IS CONSIDERED A MISDEMEANOR.
SO, UM, EITHER, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD WORK.
I GUESS EITHER THE INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBER WOULD HAVE TO BE CHARGED CRIMINALLY, BUT IN ORDER TO BE PUNISHED FOR VIOLATING AS A MISDEMEANOR, IT, UM, WHOEVER WAS BRINGING IT, AND IT WOULD BE, I GUESS IN THIS CASE IT WOULD BE, THE CA'S OFFICE WOULD BE, IF YOU HAD THE INTENT TO DEPRIVE THE PUBLIC OF INFORMATION, THEY WOULD HAVE TO PROVE THAT, UM, THE DA WOULD.
SO IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY YOU GOTTA BE CAREFUL WITH THESE THINGS.
AND THAT'S WHY WE GO THROUGH THIS DISCUSSION BECAUSE WE DON'T EVER WANT TO GET THERE.
UM, WOULD YOU REMOVE, WOULD THE COMMISSION BE REMOVED OR HERAND OR, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
OR RETAIN UNTIL THE DA CAN, YOU KNOW, TAKE YOU TO COURT.
WELL, THE DA, SO THE DA IS THEIR OWN DISCRETION, WHETHER THEY FILE IT OR NOT.
UM, ON THE CIVIL SIDE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN, IF SOMEONE, I'VE NEVER EXPERIENCED THAT BEFORE, SO I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.
YEAH, LET'S NOT GET THERE BECAUSE I MEAN, JUST KNOW IT COULD BE BAD.
BUT WE SERVE AT THE PLEASURE OF THE MAYOR, RIGHT? SO THE MAYOR MIGHT WELL SAY, WE REALLY PREFER, ULTIMATELY ITS A TO THE MAYOR.
ROBERT'S RULES OF BOARD'S, NOT REALLY SWITCHING GEARS.
SO THIS IS REALLY ABOUT HOW MEETINGS ARE CONDUCTED IN HERE AND HOW REALLY THE CHAIRMAN GUIDES THE MEETINGS, UM, AND HOW YOU GUYS ARE ACT CIVILLY.
WE'VE NEVER REALLY HAD AN ISSUE ABOUT THIS, UM, BECAUSE YOU ALL HAVE BEEN VERY GOOD AND, YOU KNOW, MAKE MY JOB EASIER.
UM, BUT, UH, WE NEVER REALLY TALKED THROUGH THIS AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS DID IT OR NOT.
DURING YOUR TRAINING, YOU SAID YOU DID GO THROUGH THE ROBERTS RULES OF ORDER.
YEAH, JUST IN THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS.
SO, AND, AND SO FOR THOSE THAT HAVEN'T HEARD, UM, ABOUT THE ROBERTS RULES OF BOARD IS THEY'RE BASICALLY HOW MOTIONS ARE DONE.
AND WE THINK I'M GOING THROUGH IT NOW 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE CITY CLERK IS HERE, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU, AND WHEN I SAY A MOTION, SOMEONE HAS TO BRING FORWARD A MOTION AND THE MOTION HAS TO BE SECONDED.
AND THEN YOU TAKE A VOTE AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE PROCEDURE.
UM, YOU CAN AMEND A MOTION, WHICH I DON'T THINK THIS BOARD REALLY HAS THAT SITUATION, BUT SOMEONE CAN AMEND A MOTION.
IN THIS CASE IT PRACTICALLY SPEAKING, BEFORE THIS BOARD, IT WOULD REALLY BE, SOMEONE ELSE WOULD BRING UP, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, A DIFFERENT MOTION.
SO IT WOULD BE A NEW MOTION RATHER THAN A MANY SOMEONE ELSE'S MOTION.
UNLESS YOU GUYS WERE TALKING ABOUT, UM, A PENALTY OR REDUCING THE PENALTY.
AND SO YOU WOULD BE, A MOTION WOULD BE TO SAY, UH, DENY THE APPEAL OR, OR ACCEPT THE APPEAL, BUT DO SOMETHING WITH THE, UM, SOME KIND OF THE WHATEVER THE PENALTY WAS.
UM, THERE'S A, WELL THIS, YOU DON'T DO IT HERE, BUT, UM, IT TALKS ABOUT A COMMIT, WHICH IS A, UM, TRANSFER A MOTION TO A COMMITTEE.
YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE A COMMITTEE 'CAUSE YOU GUYS ARE BASICALLY A BOARD THAT'S CREATED BY COUNCIL.
SO THIS REALLY APPLIES TO COUNCIL.
UM, IF ONE OF YOU HAS A QUESTION, THE MOTION WOULD BE, I CALL A QUESTION,
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WHICH IS, UH, THIS NEWS TO ME.I, I, ALTHOUGH I KIND OF KNEW THIS, UM, I DIDN'T KNOW HOW YOU ACTUALLY GO ABOUT IT FORMALLY UNDER THESE RULES.
AND THEN, UH, AND THEN THERE'S ALWAYS A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
SO SOMEONE HAS TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
SOMEONE HAS TO SECOND IT, AND THEN YOU GUYS TAKE A VOTE.
WE KIND OF DO THAT HERE BECAUSE MAISHA ALWAYS TAKES THE VOTE.
BUT THIS IS, I DON'T THINK WE HAD TO VOTE TO ADJOURN THOUGH.
I'M BEING TECHNICAL AND, UM, TO, TO CALL THE VOTE IS JUST LIKE WE'VE HAD ENOUGH CONVERSATION.
WE WOULD JUST WANNA GET TO THE END OF IT AND CALL THE VOTE.
SO I MEAN, IT'S REALLY, UM, AND, UH, THERE CA ARE MOTION I'M, OR CALL THE QUESTIONS, EXCUSE ME, NOT THAT'S TOO TECHNICAL.
SO POINTS IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, IS PART OF HOW THE MEETING GOES FORWARD.
SO IF YOU HAVE, YOU MAKE A POINT OF ORDER, UH, BASICALLY A MEMBER DRAWS ATTENTION TO A BREACH OF RULES, IMPROPER PROCEDURE OR BREACH OF ESTABLISHED PRACTICES.
SO IF YOU HAVE AN ISSUE WITH SOMETHING OR HOW SOMETHING WAS DONE, YOU WOULD RAISE A POINT OF ORDER AND THAT'S HOW YOU WOULD DO IT TECHNICALLY IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD.
LIKE I SAID, YOU GUYS ARE PRETTY GOOD ABOUT EVERYTHING AND THAT USUALLY DOESN'T COME UP, BUT THAT'S HOW IT WOULD, IF YOU WANTED TO BRING A MOTION, YOU DO A POINT OF ORDER.
UH, THE OTHER ONE IS A POINT OF INFORMATION.
IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR QUESTIONING A MEMBER, UM, AS A MEMBER, MORE INFORMATION ON A MOTION, THEN THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD SAY.
YOU MAKE A MOTION FOR POINT OF INFORMATION OR A POINT OF INFORMATION.
AND THEN THERE'S POINT OF INQUIRY.
OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE, UH, YOU ARE USING, UM, THAT FOR A CLARIFICATION ON WHATEVER MOTION IS BEFORE YOU, UH, TO GET MORE INFORMATION BEFORE YOU DISCUSS IT, HAVE A VOTE, WHATEVER, IT'S, AND THEN, UM, AND THEN IT, IT IS A POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE, WHICH RELATES TO, UM, THE PHYSICAL COMFORT OF THE SETTING, SUCH AS TEMPERATURE OR NOISE, SOMETHING RELATING TO WHATEVER IS GOING ON IN THIS BUILDING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, IT'S NOT REALLY RELATED TO SUBSTANTIVELY TO WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DISCUSSING.
AND THEN THE LAST THING, UM, THIS IS FOR THE CHAIRPERSON.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WHOLE ROBERT RULES OF ORDER SO THAT THE MEETING GOES SMOOTHLY.
UM, IF YOU FOLLOW THE AGENDA, KEEP THE COMMISSION MOVING FORWARD TOWARDS THEIR GOAL, WHICH IS TO GO THROUGH ALL THE AGENDA ITEMS THERE ARE BEFORE YOU AND YOU GENERALLY SPEAKING, IT BEEN MOSTLY LIKE TWO OR THREE ITEMS ARE USUALLY ON THE AGENDA.
I'VE SEEN SOME THAT THERE WAS LIKE SEVEN I THINK IS THE MOST I'VE SEEN.
SO USUALLY IT'S NOT USUALLY A PROBLEM FOR TIME, BUT IT CAN BE, UM, UH, THE, UH, CHAIRPERSON SELECT THE COMMISSION OR THE BOARD DO ITS OWN WORK.
I DON'T THINK MR. WHITE HAS HAD THAT PROBLEM EVER.
UM, YOU CONTROL THE FLOW OF THE MEETING AND RECOGNIZE MEMBERS THAT ASK TO SPEAK.
AND SO YOU RECOGNIZE EVERYONE.
AND I THINK YOU'VE DONE A GOOD JOB OF THAT.
IT'S LIKE I'M EVALUATING ALL YOU GUYS NOW.
AND LETTING ALL, UH, MEMBERS SPEAK ONCE BEFORE YOU ALLOW ANOTHER MEMBER TO SPEAK, UH, A SECOND TIME.
SO EVERYONE HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, SAY THEIR PIECE AND THEN ONCE THAT'S DONE BEFORE YOU LET SOMEONE ELSE TO SPEAK TWICE.
AND SO THAT'S KIND OF NOT LETTING SOMEONE JUST KIND OF TAKE OVER THE MEETINGS.
SO IF SOMEONE HAS A POINT OF WHATEVER THEY WOULD, UH, UH, THEY WOULD ASK ME, ASK THE THE, THE ATTORNEY.
I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, YOU, YOU GUYS HAVE NOT HAD AN ISSUE.
AND IF YOU HAD A QUESTION, YOU WOULD ALWAYS ASK ME AND I WOULD GIVE YOU MY 2 CENTS.
BUT TECHNICALLY SPEAKING, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD, YOU CONTROL THE MEETING.
SO I'M SAYING WHERE THERE IS AN AN ATTORNEY, IT WOULD'VE TO GO THROUGH THIS YES, EXACTLY THAT WHAT YOU THOUGHT.
I MEAN, YOU HAVE SO MUCH POWER.
WELL, I AM, I'M NOT WHAT, I MEAN I'M ALWAYS IN HERE AND I'M HERE TO ADVISE THE BOARD, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, UH, THE, I WAS NEVER NEVERMIND.
UM, THE REASON I SAY THAT, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN IN SETTINGS WHERE THE CHAIRMAN WAS NOT IN CONTROL AND SOME PEOPLE SPEAK OUT.
SO, AND I KNOW THAT'S THE SITUATION.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE NO, AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
WHEN THE DISCUSSION GETS OFF TRACK, GENERALLY GUIDE THE GROUP BACK TO THE AGENDA, WHICH IS WHAT, HOW YOU WOULD DO IT.
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UH, DIPLOMATICALLYUM, MODEL COURTESY AND RESPECT FOR EVERYONE SO THAT EVERYONE ELSE DOES THE SAME THING.
I THINK THAT'S BEEN DONE HERE.
UM, AND THEN HOW HELP THE REST OF THE BOARD MEMBERS DEVELOP THE PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE, WHICH IS WHAT THE RULES OF ORDER ARE.
AND THEN, UM, UH, ENCOURAGE MEMBERS TO PRESENT MOTIONS IF THEY HAVE SOMETHING THAT THEY WANT TO SAY OR, OR THEY WANT TO HAVE PRESENT SOMETHING THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE ORIGINAL MOTION, YOU WOULD ENCOURAGE THEM TO BRING A MOTION.
UM, EACH, GIVE EACH SPEAKER UNDIVIDED ATTENTION.
AND THEN, UM, AND KEEP THE EMOTIONAL PULSE OF THE DISCUSSIONS.
I THINK YOU DO A GOOD JOB OF THAT TOO.
UM, AND THEN MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALLOW A CONSENSUS OF THE BOARD TO HAVE AUTHORITY TO DO ONE THING OR THE OTHER.
UH, I BELIEVE IN THE ONLINE TRAINING IT WAS MENTIONED THAT THE, THAT THE CHAIRMAN CAN, UH, MAKE A MOTION AND SECOND HIS OWN MOTION.
UH, I I'VE NOT, I'VE NEVER HEARD THAT.
WELL, YEAH, IT WAS A LITTLE CONFUSING ON THE, ON THE ONLINE PRESENTATION, BUT I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE YOU CAN LOOK INTO THAT.
I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY, I HAVEN'T SEEN THE ONLINE PRESENTATION, BUT THAT'S A YEAH, I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT.
YEAH, I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND IT.
THAT, THAT'S WHAT KIND OF THREW ME.
IT WAS, UH, YEAH, BUT THAT WAS A, A, SOMETHING THAT WAS EXCLUSIVE TO THE CHAIRMAN, I BELIEVE, IF I THAT RIGHT? WELL, ALSO, I MEAN MAYBE, SO JUST THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX, IF THAT'S TRUE, THAT IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING A CHAIRMAN WOULD NEVER DO UNLESS HE HAD TO DO IT.
SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE CHAOS IN HERE FOR THE CHAIRMAN TO MAKE A MOTION AND A MOTION.
'CAUSE HE IS BASICALLY, IT'S KIND OF LIKE HAVING A FULL CONTROL CONTAINER ON THE YEAH.
AND JUST, YOU KNOW, IF THE MEETING GETS OUTTA HAND, THEN THE CHAIRMAN CAN JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, RIGHT.
WE'RE GONNA ADJOURN AND JUST THE MEETING'S ADJOURNED BECAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE BEEN IN, YOU CAN ADJOURN THAT.
UM, YOU CAN TAKE A RECESS, MAKE A POSTPONEMENT, YOU CAN TAKE A BREAK OR YOU CAN NEED THE SLAM DUNK AND JUST SAY, I'VE DECIDED THIS MYSELF BECAUSE YOU WOULD BE RIDICULOUS.
THAT'S, TO ME, IT SOUNDS LIKE AN EXTREME SITUATION WHERE THE CHAIRMAN WOULD DO THAT.
I'M NOT SAYING THE CHAIRMAN CAN'T, BUT I'M SAYING IT'S POOR EXTREME SITUATIONS.
YEAH, IT MIGHT BE JUST FOR THAT REASON.
THAT WAY YOU, WHERE EVERYONE'S ALREADY BASICALLY WHERE IT'S CHAOS AND THEN YOU JUST SAYING, YEAH, I'M GONNA CLOSE IT.
I THINK IN THAT INSTANCE YOU WOULD CALL THE QUESTION, YOU WOULD SAY, WELL, YEAH, I GUESS, WELL, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THIS, YOU WOULD SAY, I'VE HAD ENOUGH.
AND I, YOU KNOW, AND I SIT ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS, I LIKE, UH, MY CREDIT UNION, WE HAD TO MEETING AT FOUR 30 OR LIKE OTHER PLACES, LIKE FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT PLACES.
BUT ONE OF 'EM IS JUST, YOU KNOW, IT GOT OUTTA HAND AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S, UH, PEOPLE WHO AREN'T PROFESSIONALS, SO I'LL JUST SAY IT.
AND SO, SO WHAT I WILL SAY ON THAT IS THAT, UM, WE'VE BEEN LUCKY IN THIS BOARD AND THAT WE'VE HAD GOOD CHAIRMANS AND, AND AS YOU KNOW, CHAIRMANS CONTROL HOW A MEETING GOES.
AND SO IF YOU HAVE A CHAIRMAN THAT'S NOT GOOD, OR THAT'S A, YOU KNOW, WEAK TYPE OF PERSON, THEN MM-HMM.
BASED ON MY 18 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE WITH THE CITY, THAT'S WHAT I'VE SEEN.
NOT SO MUCH 18 YEARS HERE, BUT MAYBE, UH, MAYBE SEVEN, SEVEN YEARS.
AND SO FRIDAY'S MY NINE, EIGHT DAYS.
I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, UH, UM, IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE.
UM, AND LIKE I SAID, THIS BOARD HAS DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB AND MADE MY LIFE EASIER.
AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, UH, WE, NOTHING'S BEEN DONE IMPROPERLY.
IT'S JUST WE HAVEN'T BEEN FORMAL THAT, AND I'LL TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT.
DO HAVE THEY, HAVE THEY, UH, NAMED YOUR REPLACEMENT FOR THE MEETING? OH YEAH.
SO, UM, PAUL KIM IS MY REPLACEMENT AND HE'S GONNA BE TAKING OVER CODE ENFORCEMENT AND THE NUISANCE STATE AND STUFF.
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ATTORNEY THAT USED TO WORK FOR THE COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES.SO HE HAS EXPERIENCE IN CODE ENFORCE MEDICINE.
HE DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH HIS BOARD, BUT, UM, I'M SURE HE'S ADVISED SOME.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THE COUNTY WORKS ARE SO BIG.
SO HE'S COMING FROM A BIG CONGLOMERATE AND NOT SAYING LONG BEACH IS SMALL.
I MEAN, LONG BEACH IS PRETTY BIG, BUT YOU KNOW, HE'S, HE'S CONDENSING HIMSELF.
SO HE HAS THE BROAD EXPERIENCE IS ALL I'M SAYING.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S JUST SOME YOUNG ATTORNEY TAKING UP, SO IT'LL BE, IT'LL BE GOOD.
CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR THANK.
UH, WE NEED A MOTION MOVE TO ADJOURN.
WE ALREADY HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
OH, WE'RE GOING TO, UH, WE'RE JUST GONNA GO AHEAD AND TAKE A ROLL ON THAT, ON THAT MOTION.
BEFORE WE, DOES ANYBODY WANNA MAKE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? OH, PUBLIC COMMENT.
THERE ARE NO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HERE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT, SO SEEING THEM THANK ALL RIGHT.
AND THEN NEXT WE HAVE OUR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
SO, SO IF ANYBODY, UH, WANTS TO SPEAK ON SOMETHING THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, NOW'S THE TIME TO DO SO.
OUR NEXT, UH, MEETING DATE IS JUNE 10TH, 2020 FOURTH.
AND, UM, WE'LL OFFICIALLY THAT RIGHT? YOU CALL TO ADJOURN THE MEET YOU CORRECT? YES.