* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:02:22] CAN WE CALL THE JUNE MEETING OF [CALL TO ORDER] THE ETHICS COMMISSION TO ORDER? PLEASE? ROLL CALL. [ROLL CALL] COMMISSIONER WISE HERE. COMMISSIONER SHOTWELL. HERE. COMMISSIONER DE DEUS. HERE. COMMISSIONER COLEMAN. HERE. COMMISSIONER NOVE. HERE. VICE CHAIR P*****K. HERE. CHAIR MORALES. HERE. WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU. OUR FIRST ITEM OF [1. 24-53519 Recommendation to approve the minutes for the Ethics Commission meeting of Wednesday, May 8, 2024.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] BUSINESS IS A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE, THE MINUTES FOR THE ETHICS COMME COMMISSION MEETING OF MAY 8TH, 2024. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? IS THERE A SECOND? OKAY. IT'S A MOVE BY COMMISSIONER WEIS. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICTUS. ARE THERE ANY RECOMMENDED CHANGES OR COMMENTS ON THE MINUTES? IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE AGENDA OR THE MINUTES? OH, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? OH, OKAY. SEEING NO COMMENTS, COULD WE HAVE A VOTE PLEASE? COMMISSIONER P*****K? UH, I VOTED YES. NOW. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM IS A RECOMMENDATION TO REAPPOINT COMMISSIONER COLEMAN TO HIS FIRST FOUR YEAR TERM AND COMMISSIONERS D BENEDICTUS AND P*****K TO THEIR SECOND FOUR YEAR TERMS WITH THE ETHICS COMMISSION. DO I HAVE A MOTION ON THE ITEM? IT'S BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER SHOTWELL AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER NOVE. UM, FOR THE PUBLIC. THREE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION ARE SELECTED AT LARGE FROM THE COMMUNITY, BY THOSE APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR AND THE AUDITOR. COMMISSIONER COLEMAN WAS SELECTED IN DECEMBER TO FILL THE REMAINING TERM OF FORMER COMMISSIONER FEEDLER. SO THAT'S WHY THIS WOULD BE HIS FIRST FULL FOUR YEAR TERM. AND COMMISSIONER [2. 24-53520 Recommendation to reappoint Commissioner Coleman to his first four-year term, and Commissioners DeBenedictis and Pollack to their 2nd four-year terms with the Ethics Commission.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] BEN DE BENEDICTUS AND COMMISSIONER P*****K WERE BOTH APPOINTED IN 2020 20 TO THEIR FIRST TERM. SO THIS WOULD BE THEIR SECOND FOUR YEAR TERM. UM, BEFORE I GO TO A VOTE, WOULD ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS BEING REAPPOINTED LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT? NO. OKAY. [00:05:01] ANYONE, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANYTHING THEY'D LIKE TO SAY? CHAIR, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I THINK, UH, THE COMMISSIONER'S VERY LUCKY TO HAVE, UH, THESE THREE COMMISSIONERS WITH US AND THAT THEY'RE GONNA CONTINUE THEIR SERVICE. YOU'RE HERE. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE. COULD WE HAVE A VOTE, PLEASE? YES. EVERYONE IS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE. MOTION CARRIES. CONGRATULATIONS, AND AS COMMISSIONER NOVE SAID, WE'RE VERY LUCKY TO HAVE EACH OF YOU HERE FOR THE NEXT FOUR YEARS. NEXT ITEM IS A RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE A REPORT BACK FROM CITY CLERK ON THE 2024 FORM 700 COMPLIANCE. CAN I HAVE A MOTION ON THE ITEM, PLEASE? IT'S BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER COLEMAN, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICTUS, WHOM, WHOM IS GIVING THE REPORT. WE'RE HAVING A LITTLE TECHNICAL DIFFICULTY FILL UP. YEAH, WE'RE CHECKING ON IT. ONE SECOND. OKAY. [3. 24-53521 Recommendation to receive and file a report back from City Clerk on 2024 Form 700 compliance.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] SO FOR, UH, ITEM NUMBER THREE, UM, BASICALLY, UH, FOUR FORM 700 COMPLIANCE. WE WERE AT, UM, UH, I BELIEVE TWO OUTSTANDING FILERS FOR THE 2024 ANNUAL. UM, THESE WERE TWO MEMBERS ON THE IRC, THE INDEPENDENT, UH, REDISTRICTING COMMISSION. UM, BECAUSE THEY DO NOT MEET, UH, IT IS VERY HARD TO, UH, BRING THEM INTO COMPLIANCE. UM, THE BEST WE HAVE IS THE EPI FPPC ENFORCEMENT, UH, WHICH THEY WILL BE REFERRED TO, UH, AND THEN WE WILL LEAVE THEM UP TO IT. UM, BECAUSE WE HAVE NO AUTHORITY. UH, THE CITY, UH, OUR DEPARTMENT, UH, CITY ATTORNEY, UH, THEY MUST REMAIN ON THE COMMISSION. THERE'S NO REAL TEETH TO PULL THEM OFF. THE, THE BEST WE HAVE IS, UH, SENDING TO ENFORCEMENT. OTHERWISE, I BELIEVE WE ARE A HAIR'S BREADTH AWAY FROM 99% COMPLIANCE, WHICH IS PRETTY GOOD. UM, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR QUITE A WHILE, AND WE'VE ONLY ONCE ACHIEVED A HUNDRED PERCENT. SO ANYTHING OVER 90% IS AWESOME. UH, ANYTHING HIGHER IS EVEN BETTER. SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT. THANK YOU, PHILIP. AS A REMINDER TO THE COMMISSION, THE IRC IS THE INDEPENDENT REDISTRICTING COMMISSION. UM, AS YOU ALL KNOW, THAT WAS SET UP BY CHARTER ALSO, AND OUR CHARTER AUTHORIZES THE ETHICS COMMISSION ONLY TO APPOINT THOSE MEMBERS OF THE IRC. SO THE WAY THE CHARTERS ARE WRITTEN, THERE IS, UM, NO ABILITY TO REMOVE SOMEBODY FOR NON-COMPLIANCE WITH THIS, WHICH IS WHAT PHILLIP WAS EXPLAINING. SO THAT'S WHY THEY'RE BEING REFERRED TO THE FPPC, AND THEN WE'LL TAKE IT FROM THERE. ANY QUE SUSAN? YEAH. HOW, HOW LONG DOES THE REDISTRICTING COMMISSION? 10 YEARS WAS THE POINT. THEY, THEY EXIST FOR 10 YEARS? YES. OH MY GOODNESS. SO THEY, THAT THEY STAND UNTIL THE NEW, THE, THE ETHICS COMMISSION APPOINT A NEW ONE IN 2030. HMM. IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENT? I THINK I HEARD SOMEBODY WHISPER. THEY'RE GLAD THEY DIDN'T GET APPOINTED TO THAT ONE. OH, OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE. CAN WE HAVE A VOTE ON THE ITEM? MOTION CARRIES. CARRIE, NEXT ITEM UP IS A RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST AMENDMENTS FROM CITY CLERK IN PREPARATION FOR THE UPCOMING 2024 BIENNIAL REVIEW. CAN I HAVE A MOTION ON THE ITEM? IT'S BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICTUS, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER NOVE. PHILLIP, ARE YOU DOING THAT REPORT ALSO? I AM. SO THE ATTACHED, UH, LISTS ARE THE DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE REACHED OUT AHEAD OF THE BIANNUAL, UH, THAT IS DUE IN OCTOBER. THEY HAVE PROPOSED THE FOLLOWING CHANGES TO THEIR CODE, UH, WHETHER [4. 24-53522 Recommendation to receive and file COI amendments from City Clerk in preparation for the upcoming 2024 Biennial Review.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] IT BE THROUGH, UH, BUDGETARY ALIGNMENT OR ADOPTION. UM, I BELIEVE THE BIG ONE WAS FROM UTILITIES AND, UH, ENERGY. THEY HAD A, UH, MERGER AND A, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, RESTRUCTURING. SO I, UH, POSITIONS, UH, CODE POSITIONS HAVE TRANSFERRED OVER TO ONE THE OTHER, THEY REMOVED DUPLICATIONS, THAT SORT OF THING. SO THIS IS JUST GENERAL CLEANUP AHEAD OF SCHEDULE BEFORE THE BIENNIAL. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR PHILIP ON THE LIST? COMMISSIONER WEISS? YEAH. [00:10:01] UM, YOU MENTIONED THAT THE, UH, SOME OF THEM ARE BUDGET ALIGNMENT ISSUES. IS, IS THAT WHAT IT MEANS WHEN IT SAYS THE REASON IS FISCAL YEAR 24? CORRECT. AND CAN, AND WHEN YOU SAY BUDGET ALIGNMENT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE ARE BEING DELETED. SO DOES THAT MEAN THEIR POSITION WAS ELIMINATED? YEAH, WHETHER, UH, THE TITLE WAS, UH, DECLASSIFIED, UH, OR RESTRUCTURED IN SOME WAY. THEY LOST AUTHORITY OVER GOVERNMENTAL, UH, SPENDING AND WERE OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF THE, THE FORM 700 CODE. OKAY. SO, UH, IT COULD BE A COMBINATION OF THE, THE, THE TITLE WAS COMPLETELY REMOVED OR, UH, AUTHORITY WAS, YOU KNOW, ADJUSTED ACCORDINGLY. OKAY. UM, THIS ISSUE OF THIS COMMISSION APPROVING, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK IT MAY BE IN THE CHARTER, AND I KNOW I'VE SEEN IT WRITTEN AS SOMETHING THAT, UM, THE CITY THINKS THIS COMMISSION SHOULD BE DOING. UM, BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT THE REAL WORK IS BEING DONE IN THE, IN THE DEPARTMENTS AS I UNDERSTAND IT. DO YOU KNOW, IS IT, IS THIS REVIEWED BY THE TOP LEVEL PEOPLE IN EACH DEPARTMENT TO DECIDE WHO'S IN THESE, WHETHER THESE POSITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED, RAISED TO THE LEVEL OF, OF POSSIBLY HAVING THESE CONFLICTS? MM-HMM, . SO, UH, TO, TO ADDRESS THE QUESTION, UH, IT IS FIRST, UH, DISCUSSED WITH THE, THE ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER. THEY USUALLY HAVE THE BEST UNDERSTANDING WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE DEPARTMENT. THEY, THEY'RE USUALLY THE ONES THAT ARE PROPOSING, UM, AND WORKING ON THE BUDGET, UM, FOR COUNCIL. UH, THEY WORK HAND IN HAND, TYPICALLY WITH THE DEPARTMENT HEADS TO MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING IS BEING BROUGHT INTO PROPER ALIGNMENT, UH, AND DISCUSS DISCUSSING AUTHORITY. UH, ONCE IT GOES THROUGH THAT AND IT MAKES IT TO OUR DESK. THIS IS, UH, REFERRED TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE FOR A SECONDARY REVIEW. AND THEN ONCE THEY APPROVE IT, WE TAKE IT FINALLY, UH, OR I SHOULD SAY WE TAKE IT FIRST TO YOU AS A, A COURTESY REVIEW AND THEN, UH, ONTO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR FINAL ADOPTION. OKAY. BECAUSE, AND OBVIOUSLY TO REALLY MAKE THE DECISION ABOUT WHO SHOULD BE FILING THESE, YOU'D NEED TO KNOW THE JOB RESPONSIBILITIES FOR EACH PERSON. AND THIS COMMISSION HASN'T BEEN PROVIDED ENOUGH INFORMATION TO KNOW WHETHER SOMEBODY WITH THE TITLE OF CONSTRUCTION INSPECTOR TWO, FOR EXAMPLE, IS MAKING THOSE KINDS OF DECISIONS. SO I'M JUST ASKING YOU TO CONFIRM THAT SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE, SOMEONE IS LOOKING AT THAT AND, AND CONFIRMING THAT, BECAUSE OTHERWISE, I, I DON'T KNOW. YEAH, AND I, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN THAT THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE OUR OFFICE STEPS IN. WE, WE WORK BOTH WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY AND THE DEPARTMENT ITSELF TO, UM, BASICALLY MAKE THE POINT THAT THE, THIS CODE NEEDS TO REFLECT THAT THE, THE TITLE POSITION HAS THE AUTHORITY OVER THE PURSE. THAT THEY, UM, UH, THAT THERE, EVEN IF THERE IS, YOU KNOW, SOME SHADOW OF A DOUBT THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE INFLUENCE, THAT THEY COULD SELF ENRICH OR DIVERT GOVERNMENTAL FUNDS. WE DO RECOMMEND TO ERR ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION, UH, TO, UM, TO, TO HAVE THEM, UH, BROUGHT INTO THE SCOPE OF THE COI. UM, BUT WE, WE, WE TRY TO ADHERE TO THE PPCS GUIDELINES FIRST, THAT, UM, THEY MEET THOSE CRITERIA FIRST. OKAY. THAT'S, IF YOU HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT ONE OF THE ITEMS WE COULD REQUEST THE JOB SPECIFICATIONS. YEAH. CORRECT. I DON'T HAVE A, A CONCERN ABOUT ANY OF THEM. I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THE PROCESS THAT'S USED AND, AND WHAT HE JUST SAID IS EXACTLY WHAT I THINK I AT LEAST WANNA HEAR BEFORE I APPROVE THIS, WHICH IS THAT, THAT HOW THE POSITIONS ARE HANDLED, AND THAT IF THERE'S A QUESTION THAT THEY, THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE AUTHORITY, THAT THEN THEY ARE REQUIRED TO FILE. THAT'S, FOR ME, THAT'S THE STANDARD THAT SHOULD BE FOLLOWED. AND THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO HEAR SAID. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU'RE WELCOME. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER? SEEING NO OTHER, ARE THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? SEEING DONE? COULD WE HAVE THE VOTE PLEASE? ALL MOTION CARRIES. OKAY. NEXT ITEM IS A RECOMMENDATION TO AUTHORIZE THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR TO COMPOSE AND SUBMIT A MEMORANDUM TO THE CITY MANAGER, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL AND BUDGET OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE REGARDING FISCAL YEAR 2025, BUDGET AND THE ETHIC COMMISSION'S, BUDGETARY REQUESTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS. COULD I HAVE A MOTION ON THE ITEM, PLEASE? IT'S BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER. WE SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER T BENEDICTUS. UM, SO [00:15:01] IT IS THAT TIME OF THE YEAR, AGAIN, WHEN CITY IS PREPARING ITS ANNUAL BUDGET. WE NORMALLY REQUEST AUTHORIZATION AT THIS TIME TO WRITE [5. 24-53523 Recommendation to authorize the Chair and Vice Chair to compose and submit a memorandum to the City Manager, Mayor and City Council, and Budget Oversight Committee regarding the Fiscal Year 2025 Budget and the Ethics Commission's budgetary requests and recommendations.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] TO THE MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL ON AND THE CITY MANAGER ON ITEMS OF CONCERN. UM, WITH REGARDS TO THE COMMISSION'S BUDGET, I HAVE BEEN TALKING TO THE STAFF ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT FUNDS ARE INCLUDED, THAT CAN ALLOW US TO BUY SERVICES AS NEEDED IF WE NEED TO ASK FOR EXPERT ADVICE ON SOMETHING. OR THERE'S, UM, POSSIBLE TRAININGS THAT MAYBE SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS WOULD LIKE TO GO TO IN THE FUTURE, THAT THERE'S MONEY FOR TRAINING FOR THE STAFF TO GO TO. THAT'S REALLY, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY NEW STAFF AT THIS TIME. WE'RE REALLY ASKING FOR THE FUNDS THAT ARE NECESSARY TO SUPPORT THE WORK OF THE COMMISSION. I'VE ALSO ASKED BOTH THE STAFF AND THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE TO LET US KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT THEY'D BE LOOKING AT THAT WE MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN SUPPORTING TO, WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST, BECAUSE THOSE ARE TWO AREAS OF THE, THE CITY'S OPERATIONS THAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT, MAKING SURE THERE'S ENOUGH STAFF THERE TO SUPPORT THE ETHICAL AND TRANSPARENCY WORK THAT WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE GO FORWARD. SO WITH THAT KIND OF INTRODUCTION, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, AS WE AUTHORIZE, UH, THE CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR TO MAKE THIS, UH, THIS MEMORANDUM? WOULD YOU RETURN TO THE COMMISSION BEFORE SUPPORTING, UM, OR, OR, UM, WRITING IN SUPPORT OF ANY OF THE, YOU KNOW, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE OR OTHER, OR WOULD YOU, YOU KNOW, KIND OF GO FORTH WITH THIS? WE USUALLY SEND THE LETTER MM-HMM, BASED ON WHAT I'VE JUST OUTLINED TO YOU, THAT THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE'RE LOOKING TO SUPPORT RIGHT NOW. OKAY. IF WE WENT BEYOND THAT, THEN WE WOULD COME BACK. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND, BUT WE DO, AFTER IT IS WRITTEN, WHEN WE DO SEND A COPY TO YOU ALSO. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SHOTWELL. THIS MAY BE A, A QUESTION FOR YOU CHAIR OR FOR HEATHER. AND THAT IS, UM, I BELIEVE WE HAVE MONEY IN THE BUDGET. I WANNA MAKE SURE THERE'S SUFFICIENT MONEY IN THE BUDGET FOR PROMOTION, UH, WITHIN THE CITY OF, UH, THE DIFFERENT MATERIAL, ETHICAL CONDUCT OR CODE OF CONDUCT, ANY POLICIES OR ORDINANCES THAT WE DEVELOP. AND ALONG THAT LINE, I BELIEVE THERE IS MONEY IN, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S SUFFICIENT MONEY IN IT'S ONE TIME MONEY, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR A CONTINUATION OF FUNDS SO THAT WE HAVE MONEY GOING FORWARD. OKAY. AND SO WE'VE HAD IT BEFORE, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE AS WE'RE MOVING FORWARD, WE'RE GONNA HAVE SUFFICIENT AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR THAT LEVEL OF PROMOTION, NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, YOU KNOW, TO WHAT EXTENT THAT ALSO INVOLVE, WELL, WAIT, I THINK I MIGHT HAVE MISSPOKE, HEATHER. IS THE MONEY WE HAVE RIGHT NOW ONLY FOR THE CONSULTANTS? DO WE NOT HAVE MONEY FOR, 'CAUSE I KNOW WE HAD MONEY IN THE PAST FOR THE ROLLOUT. YEAH, WE GENERALLY KEEP, UM, MONEY IN OUR STRUCTURED FUND THAT GOES WITH US, BUT THEN WE DO ALSO, A LOT OF TIMES WHAT YOUR LETTER DOES IS GETS US ONE TIME FUNDING FOR ANY, UM, ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT TO DO THIS FISCAL, THIS COMING FISCAL YEAR. SO FOR EXAMPLE, LAST YEAR WE GOT THE ONETIME FUNDING FOR THE CONSULTANT. OKAY. SO THIS IS REALLY MORE FOR THE ONETIME FUNDING. SO WE WOULD, YOU MAY WANNA CONSIDER ASKING FOR X NUMBER OF DOLLARS TO HELP IMPLEMENT, UM, THE GOALS OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN THAT ARE PRESENTED TO US IN AUGUST. AND YOU CAN AMEND THE, THE ITEM THAT'S BEFORE US RIGHT NOW, IF THERE'S SOMETHING SPECIFICALLY YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE IS INCLUDED IN THE LETTER, MY AMENDMENT WOULD BE MORE FOR, UH, FOR THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR TO WORK SPECIFICALLY WITH HEATHER, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS SUFFICIENT AMOUNT OF MONEY IN THE, IN THE BUDGET FOR PROMOTION OF ETHICAL CONDUCT WITHIN THE CITY, AND COMPLIANCE WITH, UM, THE CODE, THE POLICIES, AND THE VARIOUS DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US. AND IS THAT ACCEPTABLE TO THE MAKER OF THE MOTION AND THE SECONDER AS A FRIENDLY YES. OKAY. COMMISSIONER WEISS? YES. AND, AND I WAS GONNA SAY, I THINK THAT THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT I RECALL AS BEING SOME OF THE THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF THE, UH, RETREAT THAT WE HAD LAST MONTH IN TERMS OF WHAT, UM, WHAT PEOPLE ARE LOOKING TO THIS COMMISSION TO, TO DO. SO IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO BE ABLE TO KEEP UP THAT EDUCATION EFFORT AND MAKE THE WORK OF THE COMMISSION BETTER KNOWN. AS I RECALL SOME OF THE PROBLEMS WE WERE, IT WAS SUGGESTED WE ADDRESS COMMISSIONER TE BENEDICTUS. IS THIS THE TIME TO ADD ON? I'D ALSO WANT TO MAKE ENSURE THAT, UH, STAFF HAS APPROPRIATE PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND CONTINUED MEMBERSHIP IN, UH, INDUSTRY, UH, ASSOCIATIONS, ET CETERA. OKAY. COMMISSIONER NOR CHAIR, YOU MAY HAVE ALREADY ANSWERED THIS, UH, [00:20:01] WHEN COMMISSIONER SHOTWELL ASKED HIS QUESTION, BUT ARE YOU ASKING FOR SUGGESTIONS IF YOU, IN THIS SUGGESTION? SURE. OH, I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW IF YOU MENTIONED TRAININGS. UM, WHEN YOU REFER TO TRAININGS, ARE YOU, ARE THEY TRAININGS FOR THE ENTIRE COMMISSION OR FOR INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONERS? SO RIGHT NOW, STAFF HAS BEEN THE ONLY, UH, THE ONLY INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE GONE TO TRAININGS. BUT IN THE FUTURE, THERE MIGHT BE TRAININGS THAT WOULD BENEFIT THE ENTIRE COMMISSION. AND SO IT WOULD BE FUNDING SO THAT THE ENTIRE COMMISSION COULD GO. AND, AND DEPENDING ON TIMING, IT MAY ONLY BE THE, THOSE OF YOU WHO WILL BE CONTINUING, IT MIGHT NOT BE COMMISSIONER SHOTWELL, COMMISSIONER WEISS AND I, BECAUSE THE CITY MIGHT NOT BE AS INCLINED TO SPEND MONEY IF WE'RE LEAVING IN THE NEXT TWO MONTHS. SO NOT AT THIS TIME PER THE COMMISSION OR INDIVIDUALS OF THE COMMISSION? Y NO, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD BE REQUESTING GOING FORWARD, IS THAT THERE BE MONEY INCLUDED SO THAT IF A TRAINING CAME UP THAT THE, THE COMMISSION OR THOSE THAT ARE AVAILABLE, EITHER ALL SEVEN OF US, THOSE THAT ARE AVAILABLE, WHATEVER MIX IT LOOKS LIKE. OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. , ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? COULD WE HAVE THE VOTE, PLEASE? COMMISSIONER P*****K? OH, THERE IT GOES. I WAS GONNA SAY, YOURS ISN'T WORKING RIGHT? MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. OKAY, THANK YOU. OUR NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS IS A RECOMMENDATION TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO THE AD HOC COMMITTEE ON UPDATED POLICIES REGARDING THE DRAFT ETHICS ORDINANCE PROPOSED TO DATE. I, I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SHOTWELL, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER COLEMAN. YOU GUYS ARE GETTING REALLY FAST ON THAT BUTTON. UM, AND I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO COMMISSIONER SHOTWELL TO MAKE THE PRESENTATION. OKAY. SO WITH REGARD TO THIS ITEM, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA TO THE POLICIES AD HOC COMMITTEE ON POLICIES. BUT THIS ITEM WAS PRIMARILY FOCUSED ON THE FEEDBACK THAT THE COMMISSION HAS [6. 24-53524 Recommendation to provide feedback to the Ad Hoc Committee on Updated Policies regarding the draft Ethics Ordinance proposed to date.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] ON THE DRAFT ORDINANCE PROVISIONS THAT WE HAVE PROVIDED TO DATE. UH, PRIMARILY THAT IS SECTION, UH, THAT WOULD BE CHAPTER 4.03 OF THE, UM, ORDINANCE. UM, AS INDICATED BEFORE, WE'RE ALWAYS WILLING TO ACCEPT, UH, ADDITIONAL COMMENTS ON 4.01 AND 4.02, AND THERE WILL BE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY WHEN IT'S ALL PUT TOGETHER TO WHEN EVERYONE SEES EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING AND HOW IT ALL FITS TOGETHER TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS ON ALL THE PROVISIONS. BUT, UH, PARTICULARLY WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE COMMISSION'S FEEDBACK ON 4.03. THAT'S THIS, UH, GENERAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST PROVISIONS OF THE CODE OF THE OR DRAFT ORDINANCE. AND THAT WOULD ADDRESS, UH, DISQUALIFICATION ELIGIBILITY, RECUSAL SUPERVISION, UH, WHERE INDIVIDUALS ARE SUPERVISING OTHER INDIVIDUALS, UH, RELATIVE EMPLOYMENT OF RELATIVES, BUSINESS PARTNERS, AND, UH, PERSONAL PARTNERS, UH, DISCLOSURE, EX PARTE PROVISIONS FOR ADJUDICATORY AND SEMI ADJUDICATORY TYPE OF PROCEEDINGS. AND THEN INCOMPATIBLE OFFICES. AND I THINK NOW COMMISSIONER DAVID DICK, THIS, UH, STAFF, UH, AND I ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO RECEIVING ANY COMMENTS THAT THE COMMISSION HAS ON 4.03. DO YOU HAVE A TIME BY WHICH YOU WANT COMMENTS OR YOU WANT THEM JUST RIGHT NOW? I BELIEVE THE IDEA OF AS WE SET FORTH IN THE MAY NO, IN THE APRIL MEETING WOULD BE, THE COMMENTS WOULD BE PROVIDED TODAY. I THINK WE'RE REQUIRED TO RECEIVE THE COMMENTS TODAY ON THE RECORD. OKAY. ANY COMMENTS THAT YOU HAVE? UM, IF WE PROVIDED COMMENTS IN THE MEETING IN APRIL, DO YOU WANT A SUMMARY OF THOSE, OR A REPETITION OF THOSE, OR THOSE ARE PART OF THE RECORD? ANY COMMENTS THAT HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN RECEIVED? I DON'T BELIEVE WE NEED TO CON UH, WE NEED TO RECEIVE THEM AGAIN. UH, IF YOU PROVIDED THEM BETWEEN THE APRIL MEETING AND THIS MEETING, UH, TO STAFF, THEN IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO HAVE, UH, A QUICK SUMMARY. THE OTHER THING I THINK WE HAD, AS WE PREVIOUSLY HAVE PROVIDED, IS IF THEY'RE MINOR EDITORIAL TYPE OF COMMENTS, UH, THAT THOSE COULD BE DIRECTLY PROVIDED TO STAFF COMMISSIONER WEIS, DO YOU HAVE COMMENTS? I DO, AND I'LL KEEP THEM. I'LL TRY TO JUST DO THE BIGGER ONES AS OPPOSED TO THE SMALLER ONES. UM, FIRST ON THE DEFINITIONS, UM, THE CITY OF LONG BEACH DOESN'T REFER TO THE COUNCIL AS BEING PART OF THAT, AND I THINK THE COUNCIL SHOULD PROBABLY BE MENTIONED, SO I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT. IF YOU WANNA REPLY, YOU CAN, BUT I THINK THAT DESERVES CONSIDERATION. UM, THE, THEN ON, UM, THE DEFINITION OF COMPENSATION, [00:25:02] UM, MY QUESTION WAS WHETHER COMPENSATION APPLIES TO COMPENSATION THAT COMMISSIONERS, SUCH AS WE ARE OTHER COMMISSIONERS THAT GET PAID, YOU KNOW, PER MEETING, WHETHER IT APPLIES TO THAT, UM, AND THE DEFINITION OF LOBBYISTS. I QUESTIONED, I DID NOT LOOK UP WHAT SECTION 4.09 OF THE CODE IS, BUT I HAPPEN TO KNOW THAT LOBBYING AND LOBBYISTS ARE CURRENTLY DECI DEFINED IN CHAPTER 2.08. SO I, I LIKE TO KNOW HOW THAT WOULD INTERRELATE, UM, ON, LET'S SEE, WHAT PAGE AM I ON? AND IF YOU COULD REFER TO SPECIFIC SECTION NUMBER TWO. OKAY. WELL, THE, OKAY, LET ME JUST GO BACK SEC THEN THE, UH, ONLY ON THE NEXT ONE, I MEAN. OKAY. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. UM, SO WHERE AM I NOW? LET ME SEE HERE. UM, OKAY, SO NOW I'M ON, OKAY. OUTSIDE ACTIVITIES 4.0, 3.060. AND, UM, IT SAYS, I THINK I GOT THIS RIGHT. OKAY. NO, I GUESS I'M ON POINT OATH. SHOOT, EXCUSE ME WHILE I FOOL AROUND HERE FOR A SECOND. OKAY. I'M ON PAGE EIGHT OF THE ATTACHMENT THAT HEATHER SENT US. AND THIS IS, THIS IS DISQUALIFICATIONS FROM DECISIONS INVOLVING BENEFACTORS 4.0 THROUGH 3.040 SECTION C MM-HMM, . AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT SECTION C SEE MEANS. UM, AND I'VE WRITTEN A QUESTION, SO I'LL JUST SAY IT. AND IF IT MAKES SENSE TO YOU, IF A DEPARTMENT HEAD AT THE PORT HIRES A COUNCIL MEMBER'S SPOUSE FOR A JOB AT THE PORT, AND THEN THAT PORT DEPARTMENT HEAD THROWS THEIR HAT IN THE RING TO BE THE CITY MANAGER, CAN THE COUNCIL MEMBER VOTE ON THE CONTRACT TO EMPLOY THAT GUY AS CITY MANAGER? SO CAN YOU RESTATE THE, UH, , RESTATE THE HYPOTHETICAL? UM, I CAN SUBMIT THESE TO YOU IN A DIFFERENT WAY IF YOU WANT. 'CAUSE THIS IS THE BEST WAY I KNEW TO DO IT. AT THE MOMENT, IF A DEPARTMENT HEAD AT THE PORT HIRES A COUNCIL MEMBER'S SPOUSE FOR A JOB AT THE PORT, AND THEN THAT PORT DEPARTMENT HEAD THROWS THEIR HAT IN THE RING TO BE THE CITY MANAGER, CAN A COUNCIL MEMBER VOTE ON THE CONTRACT TO EMPLOY THAT GUY AS CITY MANAGER? 'CAUSE THE GUY AT THE PORT HAS GIVEN THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER'S SPOUSE A JOB, BASICALLY. YEAH. I THINK WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL TAKE THAT HYPOTHETICAL AND, UH, JUST RUN IT THROUGH. I THINK WE HAVE SOME IDEAS THAT WE CAN PONTIFICATE HERE, BUT I RISK OF MISSING SOMETHING. YEAH. AND WE'LL ADDRESS THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING. THAT'S FINE. THAT'S FINE. I'M JUST TELLING YOU WHAT MY CONCERNS, UM, WERE. UM, THIS IS ON 4.0, 3.060, OUTSIDE ACTIVITIES. AND I WANTED TO KNOW WHETHER COMPENSATION RECEIVED AS A MEMBER OF A COMMISSION, SUCH AS THE COMMISSIONS THAT WE'RE SITTING ON, UH, DIS UH, DISQUALIFIES YOU, OR WHETHER THAT'S WHAT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S TALKING ABOUT. I THINK WHAT WE'LL DO WITH REGARD TO THAT ONE IS MAKE SURE THAT THAT POINT IS CLEAR. OKAY. UM, AND OKAY, ON FUTURE EMPLOYMENT 4.0, 3.080 SECTION C, UM, I, THIS, THIS SAYS THAT THE PROVISIONS IN A AND B DO NOT APPLY TO A PUBLIC SERVANT'S PERSPECTIVE EMPLOYMENT WITH A PUBLIC AGENCY. AND I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANT. SO MAYBE YOU COULD LOOK THAT OVER AND GIVE ME A, SOME IDEAS ABOUT THAT. AND THEN I'M GETTING TO THE END HERE. UM, THE WAIVER FOR GOOD CAUSE FOR, UM, NOT FILING SOMETHING, I WONDERED WHETHER SERIOUS ILLNESS OR DEATH [00:30:01] OF A CLOSE FAMILY MEMBER SHOULD BE A STATED REASON, UM, FOR NOT FILING, UH, THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST CODE STATEMENT THAT IS THE SUBJECT OF THIS SECTION. WHAT WAS THE SECTION OF THE LAST ONE? COMMENT? PARDON? WHAT, WHAT SECTION WERE YOU ON? UH, COMMISSIONER, THE ONE I JUST SPOKE ON THE, THE, THE ONE WITH THE, UM, OH, EXAMPLE OF HOW IT WORKS. NO, WHAT SECTION WERE YOU? NO, THE PUBLIC, THE PUBLIC SERVANT ONE. OH, IT'S 4.0, 3.08. OH, FUTURE EMPLOYMENT IN SECTION C. RIGHT. AND THEN, THEN YOU MOVE TO, AND I, WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, I WANTED AN EXAMPLE OF, OF, OF WHAT SECTION C MEANS WHEN IT SAYS IT DOESN'T APPLY I TO A PUBLIC SERVANT'S PERSPECTIVE, EMPLOYMENT WITH A PUBLIC AGENCY. I, I, I'M JUST, I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING. AND THEN THE NEXT SECTION WAS, THE NEXT SECTION WAS, IT IS 4.0, 3.1 HUNDRED ENFORCEMENT FOR FAILING TO FILE DISCLOSURES REQUIRED BY THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST CODE AND THE WAIVER PROVISION. THAT'S, IT'S, IT'S SMALL LETTER B UNDER TWO TWO, SMALL LETTER B. YES. AND IT SAYS, REASONS FOR GOOD CAUSE. AND MY SUGGESTION WAS THAT SERIOUS ILLNESS OR DEATH OF A CLOSE FAMILY MEMBER BE A STATED REASON FOR A WAIVER OF GOOD CAUSE. OKAY. THANK YOU. OR WAIVER FOR GOOD CAUSE. AND I THINK THE COMMITTEE WILL TAKE THAT UNDER CONSIDERATION. OKAY. AND THEN I HAD, I THINK THIS IS THE LAST ONE, YOU'LL BE GLAD. UM, IT'S THE VERY LAST PARAGRAPH B, UM, ALRIGHT. IT'S, IF THIS, IT HAS TO DO WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY RECEIVING A, A REQUEST, UM, FROM I THINK A ELECTED OR SOMETHING ABOUT A POSSIBLE CONFLICT OF INTEREST BY A BOARD MEMBER. AND I WONDERED IF, IF THAT MEANS COMMISSION MEMBERS, IT, UH, IT, THE WORD BOARD IS UNDERLINED. UM, SO, SO MY QUESTION I, I HAD WRITTEN DOWN WHAT ABOUT COMMISSION MEMBERS? SO, OKAY. UM, SO THOSE WERE MY, THOSE WERE MY QUESTIONS AS I WENT, WENT THROUGH. THANK YOU. SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL GO THROUGH TO MAKE SURE THAT THE LANGUAGE ASSOCIATED WITH EACH OF THOSE IS APP, UH, APPROPRIATE. WE'LL ADDRESS THOSE AT THE NEXT MEETING WITH REGARD TO BOARD MEMBER THAT WAS, AND I THINK SOME OF THE OTHER MEMBERS MIGHT HAVE SOME COMMENTS. OH, I WAS ONLY BE RIGHT. I WAS, DID DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING, COMMISSIONER COLEMAN? UM, IN REGARDS TO SECTION 4.0309, WHICH IS THE LOBBYING ACTIVITIES OR, UH, A FORMER PUBLIC SERVANT, SECTION C, UM, IT SAYS, UH, IN THE RELEVANT PART, A FORMER PUBLIC SERVANT, UH, SHALL NOT KNOWINGLY COUNSEL OR ASSIST ANY PERSON IN CONNECTION WITH AN APPEARANCE OR COMMUNICATION IN WHICH THE FORMER PUBLIC SERVICE IS PROHIBITED FROM ENGAGING FOR COMP COMPENSATION PURSUANT TO SUBSECTION A. UM, I, I AGREE WITH THE PREMISE. UM, MY ONLY CONCERN IS THAT PERHAPS, UM, SOMEONE WHO HAD RECENTLY LEFT SERVICE WITH THE CITY MAYBE, UH, MAYBE ASKED, UH, QUESTIONS FROM PEOPLE WITHIN THE CITY FOR ADVICE, UM, BECAUSE OF THEIR INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE. AND SO I WOULD NOT WANT TO LOSE SOME OF THE INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE THAT THAT PERSON HAS. THEY SHOULD NOT BE RECEIVING, UM, COM UH, COMPENSATION FOR IT. BUT IF, UM, THEY HAD JUST LEFT, SAY THEY WORKED FOR, THEY HAD WORKED FOR THE PORT FOR MANY YEARS, THEY JUST LEFT. AND SOME WITHIN THE PORT WANTS TO REACH OUT TO THEM FOR A QUESTION. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CLEAR, UM, THAT THEY WOULD NOT BE NECESSARILY PROHIBITED FROM ENGAGING IN THAT COMMUNICATION. YES. THANK YOU. VICE CHAIR. UM, I MADE A NUMBER OF COMMENTS IN THE APRIL MEETING. SO THIS ONE IS JUST ONE ADDITIONAL ONE IN, UH, 4.0, 3.090 B TWO. IT SAYS, FOR PURPOSES OF THIS SECTION, PROJECT MEANS ANY MATTER WHERE A PRIVATE BUSINESS HAS MADE AN APPLICATION TO THE CITY. AND I WONDER IF THAT SHOULDN'T ALSO INCLUDE NON-PROFITS IF THE TERM PRIVATE BUSINESS SEEMS PRETTY NARROW. COMMISSIONER NORBY, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? UM, [00:35:01] NO. OKAY. I THINK WE'RE GOOD. DO YOU WANNA MAKE YOUR CLOSING? UH, ONE THING THAT WE WILL DO AT THE, UH, NEXT MEETING THEN IS WE'LL PROVIDE A, I WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE A TABLE OF THE ACTUAL COMMENTS AND THEN HOW EACH OF THEM HAS BEEN ADDRESSED, SO YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE HOW THEY'VE BEEN ADDRESSED PRIOR TO THE NEXT MEETING. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? NO. NO. I DUNNO IF THIS IS THE RIGHT TIME TO BRING THIS UP. SO TELL ME TO SIT DOWN ON CONFLICT OF INTEREST. THERE WAS ONE PART, AND I DON'T HAVE THE PRINTOUT WITH ME, WHERE IT TALKED ABOUT INCLUDING FINANCIAL AT THE BEGINNING WHEN IT TALKS ABOUT, UM, I GUESS MY BIGGEST PROBLEM HAS BEEN NOT THE FINANCIAL CONFLICTS, BUT THE OUTSIDE ACTIVITIES OF SOME COMMISSIONERS, WHICH MAY HAVE BEEN THE REASON THEY WERE APPOINTED TO A COMMISSION IN THE FIRST PLACE, THAT THEIR OUTSIDE ACTIVITIES AND THOSE INTEREST, AND THOSE RELATIONSHIPS SEEM TO BE A CONFLICT WITH RESPECT TO THEIR BIAS ON HOW THE COMMISSION, THEY BRING THINGS FORTH TO THE COMMISSION AND THEY DON'T RECUSE THEMSELVES FIRST. THEY BRING IT UP AND THEN THEY PUSH TO HAVE IT VOTED ON AND IT DOESN'T. AND YOU GUYS DID AN AWESOME JOB. I WENT THROUGH IT. I, I HAVE NOT MEMORIZED IT, BUT I WAS CONCERNED THAT IF IT ISN'T A FINANCIAL CONFLICT, BUT IT HAS TO DO WITH CLEARLY OUTSIDE ACTIVITIES THAT THEY'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN, THAT THEY THEN PUSH FORTH IN THEIR COMMISSION. IS THAT A CONFLICT? IS THAT SOMETHING THEY SHOULD RECUSE THEM FOR SELF? IT FEELS LIKE THE LINES GET BLURRED ON THAT CONFLICT. AND I, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY TO GET AT IT OR WHAT YOU CAN DO. UM, AND THE OTHER IS WHEN THERE IS A VIOLATION OF, OF THESE ETHIC CODES, I HEARD SEVERAL MEETINGS AGO THAT WHAT'S DONE IS THE COMMISSION'S TAKEN ASIDE AND BASICALLY SAID, DON'T DO THAT AGAIN. WHEN THE COMMISSIONERS ARE BEING REAPPOINTED EVERY TWO YEARS, DOES THE COUNCIL PERSON AND THE MAYOR GET A LIST OF WHO'S BEEN AT LEAST TAKEN ASIDE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT FOLLOWING THOSE RULES? THAT'S IT. , THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT. SEEING NO OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT. CAN WE HAVE THE VOTE, PLEASE? ALL RIGHT. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM IS A RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE A PRESENTATION FROM THE AD HOC COMMITTEE ON UPDATED POLICIES REGARDING CHAPTER 4.04. USE OF RESOURCES OF THE DRAFT ETHNICS ORDINANCE CAN HAVE A MOTION. AND A SECOND MOVED BY COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICTUS AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER WEISS. COMMISSIONER SHOTWELL. OH, DO YOU WANNA, WHY DON'T YOU CLICK? YEAH. THANK YOU. SO THANK YOU. UM, AS WE HAVE PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED, THE AD HOC HAS DIVIDED UP THE PARTICULAR SECTIONS [7. 24-53525 Recommendation to receive and file a presentation from the Ad Hoc Committee on Updated Policies regarding Chapter 4.04 (“Use of Resources”) of the draft Ethics Ordinance.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] OF THE NEW ETHICS AND TRANSPARENCY CODE OR, OR ORDINANCE. UH, AND THE NEXT SECTION THAT WE WERE PRESENTING, UH, BEFORE THE COMMISSION, UH, FOR REVIEW AND COMMENT, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THE COMMENTS BACK ON THIS SECTION AT THE JULY MEETING IS CHAPTER 4.04 IN USE OF RESOURCES. UM, AND JUST TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF WHAT THIS SECTION IS ABOUT, UM, IS IN, UM, IT'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, FOR ALL CITY EMPLOYEES, COMMISSIONERS, TO THE EXTENT IT APPLIES TO THEM, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, HOW THEY MAY USE CITY RESOURCES AND INCLUDING ELECTED OFFICIALS. IT'S GETTING INTO SOME, PUTTING INTO, UH, THE ORDINANCE HERE, SOME OF THE RESTRICTIONS THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY APPLICABLE TO THEM ON CAMPAIGNS AND AROUND THEIR USE OF RESOURCES ASSOCIATED WITH THE CITY'S USE OF MAIL, THE CITY MAILING SYSTEM AND THE CITY, UM, UH, TELECOMMUNICATIONS OR MEDIA SYSTEMS. UH, BUT THE FIRST SECTION IS 4.04010. THE GENERAL PROVISIONS ON USE OF RESOURCES THAT THE CITY RESOURCES MAY ONLY BE USED FOR OFFICIAL BUSINESS OF THE CITY, UM, CANNOT BE USED FOR PERSONAL GAIN, UH, GENERAL PROVISIONS WITH REGARD TO ANY ACTIVITIES CONSTITUTING FRAUD, WASTE, OR ABUSE OF CITY RESOURCES. AND THEN, UH, WHERE REPORTS OF MISCONDUCT CAN BE MADE. UM, SECTION 4.04020 IS DEALING WITH, UH, SECURITY AND EXPECTATIONS OF PRIVACY AND OFFICIALLY PUTTING IT FORWARD OF WHAT, UH, EMPLOYEES AND ELECTED OFFICIALS OF THE CITY HAVE A, IN TERMS OF AN WHAT EXPECTATION THEY OF PRIVACY THEY SHOULD HAVE WHEN THEY'RE USING [00:40:01] CITY RESOURCES. ALSO ADDRESSES, UH, REQUIREMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH PASSWORDS, AUTHENTICATION OF PASSWORDS, ANY AUTHENTICATING, UH, UM, INFORMATION AND HOW THAT IS ONLY FOR INDIVIDUAL USE ONLY AND NOT CAN BE SHARED WITH ANYONE ELSE. UM, AND THEN FINALLY, THE CITY HAS THE RIGHT TO PEC INSPECT, UH, ANY ELECTRONIC MESSAGES OR DATA, UH, THAT ARE USED ON CITY RESOURCES. SECTION 4.04030 IS DEALING WITH INCIDENTAL USE. UM, COMMISSIONER DAVE TI AND I HAD A LOT OF CON WITH STAFF, HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS WITH REGARDS TO KIND OF THIS CONCEPT OF INCIDENTAL USE. UM, AND THE PROVISIONS THAT YOU'RE SEEING BEFORE, YOU ARE REALLY FOCUSED ON LIMITED PERSONAL USE, UH, OF ELECTRONIC RESOURCES FOR. SO TO THE EXTENT THAT A CITY EMPLOYEE, TO WHAT EXTENT CAN THEY USE THEIR CITY TELEPHONE, UH, TO ACCEPT A PERSONAL CALL OR HAVE A PERSONAL DISCUSSION WITH, UH, UH, THAT DOES NOT RELATE TO, UH, CITY BUSINESS. SO FOR EXAMPLE, THEY MAY RECEIVE A TELEPHONE CALL FROM THEIR, FROM THEIR CHILDREN'S SCHOOL, SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. UH, AND THEN WHAT IS ABSOLUTELY PROHIBITED, UH, INCIDENT ON THE USES AND IS ANY TIME THAT IT IS FOR A PROFIT MAKING ENTITY THAT THE INDIVIDUAL HAS OUTSIDE OF THE CITY, UH, FOR PERSONAL FUNDRAISING, UH, OR FOR EXPRESSING PERSONAL VIEWS AND NOT CITY VIEWS AND NOT, UH, VIEWS THAT, UH, ARE, THEY'RE AUTHORIZED ON BEHALF OF THE CITY TO MAKE. SECTION 4.04040 IS, UM, UH, UNAUTHORIZED REPRESENTATION ON BEHALF OF THE CITY AND ENSURING THAT ANY CITY EMPLOYEE OR ANY ELECTED, IF IT'S ONLY, UM, WHEN THEY'RE ACTING AS A CITY REPRESENTATIVE, THEY'RE DOING IT AS THEY HAVE BEEN AUTHORIZED TO DO SO IN THAT PARTICULAR CAPACITY. AND THEY'RE NOT, UH, EXPRESSING A VIEWPOINT WITHOUT AUTHORIZATION. UH, IT ALSO ADDRESSES, UM, THE UNAUTHORIZED USE OF PERSONAL COMMUNICATIONS, UM, WHICH ARE GENERALLY THEN BE SET FORTH BY THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. SECTION 4.004050 IS GENERAL PROVISIONS ON THE CONFIDENTIALITY AND PRIVATE, UH, PROPRIETARY INFORMATION AND THE FACT THAT CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION CANNOT BE RELEASED BY CITY EMPLOYEE, BY CITY EMPLOYEES, OR ELECTED WITHOUT AUTHORIZATION. UM, AND THAT THIS OBLIGATION, UH, CONTINUES AFTER, UH, AFTER, UH, THEIR EMPLOYMENT WITH THE CITY. SECTION OH 4 0 6 OH IS PRIMARILY ADDRESSING MASS MAILINGS. AND THESE WOULD BE MASS MAILINGS ASSOCIATED WITH ELECTEDS. UM, AND IT SETS FORTH WHAT THOSE, UH, UH, REGULATIONS ARE, UH, THAT IS CONSISTENT, UH, WITH EXISTING REGULATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN, ARE BEING HOUSED HERE AND CLARIFIED HERE. AND THEN SECTION OH 4, 0 7 OH IS ADDRESSING THE USE OF CITY MEDIA, UM, BY OFFICE HOLDERS DURING ELECTION PERIODS AND THE REGULATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE, AGAIN, THAT'S CLARIFYING WHAT THOSE REGULATIONS ARE EXISTED ARE, ARE UNDERSTOOD TODAY, BUT PUTTING 'EM IN A, UM, UH, INCLUDING THEM IN THE ORDINANCE SO THAT IT IS OFFICIAL. UM, AND I BELIEVE THOSE ARE ALL THE PROVISIONS ON USE OF RESOURCES. SO THE AD HOC COMMITTEE WOULD LIKE ANY COMMENTS ON THESE PROVISIONS AT THE NEXT MEETING IN JULY. UH, AND WE ANTICIPATE THE NEXT MEETING IN JULY THAT WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE. THE NEXT SECTIONS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON ARE GIFTS, UH, PROVISIONS, ADDRESSING GIFTS, MEALS, AND ENTERTAINMENT, UM, AND ALSO OUTSIDE ACTIVITIES, UH, WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS ALLOWED AND WHAT'S NOT ALLOWED IN TERMS OF, UH, HAVING, UH, WORK, HAVING ANY TYPE OF WORK OR VOLUNTEER POSITIONS OUTSIDE OF CITY EMPLOYMENT. ANY COMMENTS BY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION COMM, UH, VICE CHAIR? UM, I HAVE ONE QUESTION. I, I DON'T KNOW IF THE CITY HAS A POLICY ON BRING YOUR OWN DEVICE, BUT I KNOW THAT MANY OF THE CITY EMPLOYEES DO USE THEIR PERSONAL DEVICES FOR CITY BUSINESS. UM, DID YOU LOOK AS TO WHETHER THERE'S A POLICY AND WHETHER ASPECTS OF SECURITY AND PRIVACY SHOULD BE ADDRESSED IN HERE? UH, YES. I'LL INVITE, UH, COMMISSIONER DEES TO ALSO, UH, CLARIFY ANYTHING THAT I MAY MISSTATE. UH, BUT YES, WE HAVE DISCUSSED THAT, UH, AT LENGTH, UH, IN TERMS OF WHETHER INDIVIDUALS SHOULD BE USING THEIR OWN DEVICES, TO WHAT EXTENT THAT IT IS CITY, UH, ENCOURAGED BY THE CITY OR REQUIRING THE CITY TO ACTUALLY PUT, HAVE INDIVIDUALS TO, UH, ONLY USE CITY OWNED OR CITY [00:45:01] PROVIDED DEVICES. UH, ONE OF THE PROVISIONS THAT WE HAVE CONSIDERED ALONG THAT LINE IS, BUT THIS MAY BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR SAY, AN ADMINISTRATIVE REGULATION, IS THAT, UM, IS IT ALLOWED FOR A CITY EMPLOYEE TO TRANSFER SOMETHING TO THEIR PERSONAL ACCOUNTS BECAUSE IT MAY BE EASIER TO WORK ON THAT AT A, ON A HOME DEVICE. UM, AND TO THE EXTENT THAT THAT SHOULD BE ALLOWED, OR ALTERNATIVELY, IF IT IS ALLOWED, THEN THE REGULATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH MAKING SURE THAT THAT IS NOT MAINTAINED ON THEIR PERSONAL DEVICE. THE OTHER, UH, ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT IS ONCE AN INDIVIDUAL DOES DO THAT, THEY ARE OPENING UP THEIR PERSONAL DEVICE TO BE, UH, SEARCHED, UM, OR BY EITHER THE CITY OR BY ANY INVESTIGATORY AUTHORITY, BECAUSE NOW THEY'VE COMPROMISED THEIR PERSONAL DEVICE. ANYONE ELSE? IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, CAN WE HAVE A VOTE PLEASE? ALL RIGHT. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. AND JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU WANT PEOPLE TO BRING BACK THEIR COMMENTS OR SEND THEM TO HEATHER BY THE JULY MEETING? I THINK WHAT WOULD BE HELPFUL IS, IF POSSIBLE, THEY CAN SEND THEM TO HEATHER BY THE JULY MEETING, BUT WE WILL HAVE, UH, IN ORDER TO SATISFY THE BROWN ACT REQUIREMENTS, UH, THE COMMITTEE WILL HAVE TO CONSIDER THEM AFTER THE JULY MEETING TOGETHER. RIGHT, RIGHT. UH, SO IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL, UH, BUT I DON'T WANT TO FORECLOSE ANYONE IF THEY HAVE NOT HAD TIME TO PROVIDE THEM PRIOR TO THE JULY MEETING. I DON'T WANT FORECLOSE THEM PROVIDING THEM AFTER JULY. NO, JUST SOMETIMES FOR YOUR REVIEW AND FOR IT'S EASIER TO JUST EMAIL THEM. ANYTHING THAT IS PROVIDED IN WRITING IS ALWAYS HELPFUL. UM, BUT WHAT COMMISSIONER DAVID BETIS AND I BOTH DO IS GO THROUGH THE RECORDING OF THE MEETING TO MAKE SURE WE HAVEN'T MISSED ANYTHING. OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM UP IS RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE A MONTHLY UPDATE FROM THE AD HOC COMMITTEE ON THE LOBBYIST ORDINANCE. CAN I HAVE A MOTION ON THE ITEM, PLEASE? IT'S BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICTUS AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SHOTWELL VICE CHAIR. UH, THE AD HOC COMMITTEE MET ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS, UH, TO DISCUSS, UH, MODIFICATIONS TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, BASED ON THE INPUT THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED FROM PUBLIC SOURCES AND FROM OTHER COMMISSIONERS. AND WE EXPECT TO BRING BACK A RECOMMENDATION TO THE FULL COMMISSION AT THE JULY MEETING. [8. 24-53526 Recommendation to receive and file a monthly update from the Ad Hoc Committee on the Lobbyist Ordinance.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER NOVA. THANK YOU, CHAIR. UM, MADAM VICE CHAIR, HAS THE AD HOC BEEN ABLE TO MERGE OR SOMEHOW LIST THE CHANGES THAT HAVE TAKEN THE MODIFICATIONS THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS? I KNOW THIS WAS DISCUSSED AND I KNOW THE AD HOC WAS GONNA MAKE AN EFFORT TO DO THAT, AND I'M JUST WONDERING IF IT'S HAD ANY SUCCESS. I I HAVE A DOCUMENT THAT TRACKS EVERY, UH, MEETING WHERE WE HAVE PRESENTED RECOMMENDATIONS AND IDENTIFIES THE RECOMMENDATION NUMBERS THAT TRACK ON SPECIFIC ISSUES. WILL THAT BE RIGHT? BUT WILL THAT BE PRESENTED TO THE COMMISSION? I'LL HAVE TO TALK TO THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE AD HOC. OH, OKAY. WE, UM, UH, WE HAVE, I HAVE PUT THAT TOGETHER TO HELP THE AD HOC THROUGH THE DISCUSSION. I WE'LL DISCUSS WHETHER OR NOT THAT ADVANCES, I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. I WAS JUST REMINDED BY IT BECAUSE COMMISSIONER SHOTWELL IS DOING SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR FOR HIS WORK. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I I, OH, GO AHEAD. UM, I JUST WANTED TO, UH, RE-POINT OUT, IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED BEFORE THAT IN THE ETHICS AND GOOD GOVERNANCE ORDINANCE THAT WE'RE PUTTING FORTH, THERE ARE EXISTING PROVISIONS ASSOCIATED WITH LOBBYING. THE PROVISIONS THAT ARE IN THE EXISTING CODE IN, IN THE, OR IN THE EXISTING DRAFT ORDINANCE ARE THE EXISTING REQUIREMENTS THAT THE COMMISSION THAT THE, THE CITY HAS BEFORE IT. TODAY, THERE MAY BE M SLIGHT LITTLE TWEAKS. UH, ONCE THE CITY AUTHORIZES THE, UH, REVIEW AND DEVELOPMENT OF NEW THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO REVIEW AND DEVELOP NEW DRAFT ORDINANCE, THEN THAT WOULD BE DROPPED IN, IN PLACE OF WHAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE, UH, DRAFT. AND SO WHEN PEOPLE SEE OR REVIEWING THE LOBBYIST PROVISIONS AND THE ETHICS AND GOOD GOVERNANCE ORDINANCE, THEY'RE [00:50:01] THE EXISTING, UH, PROVISIONS AND NOT THE ANYTHING THAT'S BEING FOOT FORTH BY THE LOBBYING AD HOC. OKAY, THANK YOU. SO, I JUST KIND OF HAVE A HOUSEKEEPING QUESTION FOR PHILLIP AND MAYBE HEATHER. OUR NEXT MEETING IS JULY 10TH, THE WEEK BEFORE THAT. THERE'S THE 4TH OF JULY HOLIDAY, AND I DON'T KNOW IF CITY HALL IS CLOSED ON THE FIFTH FUP. SO IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE DOCUMENTS THAT WE'RE GETTING, THE AD HOCS ARE GONNA HAVE DOCUMENTS THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING TO BE ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA, IS THE AGENDA GONNA BE POSTED ON THE FIFTH OR THE THIRD SO THAT WE CAN KIND OF TIME OUT WHEN WE NEED TO GET THINGS TO YOU? UH, SO I BELIEVE WE ARE STILL OPEN ON THE FIFTH. OKAY. SO ANY DOCUMENTS WE WILL RECEIVE WILL POST AND PUBLISH LONG AS NORMAL. SO AS WE GET IT TO YOU BY THE THIRD, IT WOULD BE YOU, YOU'D HAVE IT IN TIME TO ATTACH TO THE AGENDA ON THE FIFTH. YEAH. OKAY. I JUST WANTED THAT CLARIFICATION FOR BOTH OF THE AD HOCS AS WE'RE PLANNING ON THINGS. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? COMMISSIONER COLEMAN? I JUST, ONE, I I KNOW THAT LAST TIME THAT WE REVIEWED THE LOBBYING OR ORDINANCE, IT WAS, UH, QUITE LENGTHY. UM, AND SO TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE, IF WE COULD GET IT BEFORE THAT FRIDAY, JUST SO JUST TO HAVE TIME, ESPECIALLY SINCE IT, IT WILL BE THE 4TH OF JULY WEEKEND, , UH, IT, IT WOULD BE A LITTLE HELPFUL JUST TO HAVE IT ABSOLUTELY SOONER. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. OKAY. SEEING NO OTHER COMMENTS, CAN WE HAVE A VOTE ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE? ALL RIGHT. MOTION CARRIES. OKAY. THE NEXT ITEM IS A RECOMMENDATION TO DISCUSS ANTICIPATED AD HOC COMMITTEES FOR UPCOMING PROJECTS. AND IF APPROPRIATE, TAKE ACTION TO DISSOLVE, CREATE OR REAUTHORIZED AD HOC COMMITTEES. COULD I HAVE A SECOND ON THE ITEM? I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICTUS AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SHOTWELL. SO I DON'T, WE'RE OBVIOUSLY NOT GOING TO BE DISSOLVING ANY OF OUR AD HOCS BECAUSE THE THREE THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY HAVE STILL HAVE WORK UNDERWAY. UM, BUT WE HAD ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO DISCUSS THE POSSIBILITY OF CREATING AN AD HOC TO LOOK AT [9. 24-53527 Recommendation to discuss anticipated Ad Hoc Committees for upcoming projects; and, if appropriate, take action to dissolve, create or reauthorize Ad Hoc Committees.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] THE DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES AS OUTLINED IN THE CHARTER OF THIS COMMISSION. AND THAT THE POSSIBLE MEMBERS OF THAT AD HOC WOULD BE THE THREE MEMBERS WHOSE TERMS EXPIRE NEXT YEAR. SO I PUT THAT OPEN TO THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. IS THERE STILL AN INTEREST AND A DESIRE TO PURSUE THAT? AND IF SO, THEN SOMEBODY NEEDS TO AMEND THIS MOTION TO CREATE THAT AD HOC. ANYONE HAVE ANY COMMISSIONER WEISS, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? CAN, CAN WE CREATE THIS COMMISSION COMMITTEE BEFORE ANOTHER COMMITTEE IS DISSOLVED? SO TAYLOR HAD OPINED THAT WE COULD CREATE OTHER AD HOCS THAT WE COULD SERVE ON MULTIPLE AD HOCS AS LONG AS THERE WAS NO OVERLAP. SO YOU AND I, WELL ACTUALLY, YOU AND I DO OVERLAP, SO WE COULD CREATE ANOTHER AD HOC AS LONG AS WE DON'T DISCUSS THE LOBBYING AD HOC IN THIS MEETING. AND WE DON'T DISCUSS WITH COMMISSIONER SHOTWELL IF WE ARE THE THREE ON THIS ANYTHING. SO IT'S JUST WE HAVE TO KEEP CLEAR DISTINCT BOXES OF WHAT EACH AD HOC IS WORKING ON. BUT YEAH, TAYLOR HAD SAID THAT WE COULD SERVE ON MULTIPLE AD HOCS BECAUSE THEY ARE SHORT TERM IN DURATION AND, AND PROJECT SPECIFIC. OKAY. WELL, WELL, I THINK THE, THE CONCEPT THAT YOU'VE INTRODUCED IS A, IS A GOOD ONE, SO I WOULD SUPPORT IT FOR SURE. COMMISSIONER SHOTWELL, AS WOULD I, I WOULD ALSO SUPPORT THE CONCEPT. ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? SO I'M GONNA SAY COMMISSIONER WEISS DID A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO THIS MOTION. OKAY. TO CREATE AN AD HOC ON THE, UH, AUTHORITY OF THE ETHICS COMMISSION AND ESTABLISHING THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION TO BE COMMISSIONERS MORALES, WEISS, AND SHOTWELL. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE. CAN WE HAVE A VOTE ON THE ITEM, PLEASE? ALL RIGHT. MOTION CARRIES. OKAY. THE NEXT ITEM IS A RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE A MONTHLY UPDATE FROM THE ETHICS OFFICER. THANK YOU CHAIR. UM, I WANNA START JUST BY THANKING EVERYONE AGAIN FOR, UH, REARRANGING YOUR SCHEDULES LAST MONTH TO START A LITTLE BIT EARLIER. UH, FOR OUR RETREAT. THE MOTION. OH, YEAH, WITH THE MOTION FIRST. OH, I HAVE A MOTION BY COMM, UH, COMMISSIONER COLEMAN AND SHOTWELL. OKAY. GO AHEAD NOW. SORRY. SO THANK YOU AGAIN. UM, JORGE AND I ARE MEETING WITH THE CONSULTANTS NEXT WEEK TO TALK ABOUT, UH, WHAT AUGUST [00:55:01] IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE WHEN THEY BRING BACK, UH, THE FINAL PRODUCT. [10. 24-53528 Recommendation to receive and file a monthly update from the Ethics Officer.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] SO EXCITED ABOUT THAT. UM, WE ARE STILL WORKING ON THE MANAGEMENT RESPONSE UPDATE THAT THE COMMISSION REQUESTED. I AM GONNA SUGGEST THAT WE MOVE THAT PRESENTATION TO AUGUST BECAUSE IT ALIGNS WITH THE CONSULTANTS' PRESENTATION. HOWEVER, I HAVE NOT DISCUSSED THAT WITH THE CHAIR YET. UM, SO SHE AND I WILL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT, BUT I WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE, THAT STAFF WAS HAVING AN INTERNAL DISCUSSION AND REALLY WE'RE PRESENTING TWO CHAPTERS OF THE SAME TYPE OF INFORMATION. SO WE THINK IT FITS BETTER IN AUGUST, BUT, BUT WE'LL CHAT MORE. UM, ALSO I'M WORKING WITH, UM, ALL OF OUR COMMISSIONS TO GET EVERYONE UP TO DATE ON ALL OF THE TRAININGS. UM, JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE, UM, JUST LETTING LIAISONS KNOW WHO IS OUT OF COMPLIANCE AND JUST HELPING EVERYONE GET IN COMPLIANCE. UM, I'VE ALSO STARTED WORKING WITH VARIOUS OFFICES, INCLUDING THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, AND THE CLERK'S OFFICE TO PUT TOGETHER SOME SORT OF STAFF LIAISON TRAINING THAT'S AN ONGOING, MAYBE TWICE A YEAR TYPE OF THING WHERE STAFF LIAISONS GET A, A GOOD RUNDOWN OF WHAT IT IS THEY'VE JUST BEEN ASSIGNED TO. UM, AND THE DIFFERENT EXPECTATIONS THAT BEING A MANAGER OF A COMMISSION HOLDS AND THE DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS. SO JUST WORKING TO GET THAT ON THE SCHEDULE STILL. UM, WAITING FOR OUR NEXT ITERATION OF OUR CODE OF CONDUCT TRAINING. UM, TI IS A LITTLE BIT SHORTHANDED, BUT I'M STILL EXPECTING TO HAVE THAT BY JULY. AND, UH, STAFF JORGE PRIMARILY, UM, WE KNOW THAT WE DO HAVE A REQUEST IN TO GET, UH, A PRESENTATION ON ADMINISTRATIVE REGULATIONS AND HOW THAT WORKS. UM, JORGE IS LEADING QUITE A LARGE PROJECT, SO ANTICIPATES COMING BACK, UM, AT SOME 0.1 OF OUR MEETINGS THIS SUMMER JUST TO, UM, LET YOU KNOW WHAT HE'S BEEN WORKING ON AND WHAT, UM, WHAT OUR ADMINISTRATIVE REGULATION PROCESS LOOKS LIKE AND IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE MOVING FORWARD. AND THAT IS MY UPDATE. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE STAFF TO MEET IN THE FRONT ROW? IS ARE THE, THE, ARE THOSE, IS THAT STAFF? YES, WE'VE MET THEM BEFORE. THAT IS SAM. OH, I MISSED LOPEZ. UM, SHE IS OUR ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT. AND THEN GISELLE TORRES IS OUR, UH, FELLOW FROM, UH, THE MPA PROGRAM AT CAL STATE LONG BEACH. OKAY. I'M GONNA PRESUME THAT WAS THE MEETING. I WASN'T AT PROBABLY. THANK YOU. THANKS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR HEATHER? GOOD. COMMISSIONER SHALA? YEAH, I HAVE A, A FEW. SO, UH, UM, CHAIR YOU PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED, UM, FUNDING FOR STAFF AND COMMISSIONERS TO ATTEND CONFERENCES OR WHATEVER BE THE CASE. UM, AND I REALIZED, UH, HEATHER, YOU PREVIOUSLY HAVE REPORTED ON, I THINK IT WAS THE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA ETHICS CONSORTIUM OR ETHICS COMPLIANCE CONSORTIUM CONSORTIUM, UH, THERE IN THE PAST. YOU'VE ALSO ATTENDED, I BELIEVE, EITHER THE ETHICS COMPLIANCE INSTITUTES MEETINGS, ANNUAL CONFERENCE, OR THE, UM, SOCIETY OF CORPORATE COMPLIANCE AND ETHICS, SCCE. UH, AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT IT'S STILL PLANNED FOR, I THINK IT HAPPENED IN 2023, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE ABLE TO DO THAT OR PLANNING TO DO THAT IN 2024. I BELIEVE THOSE TYPES OF CONFERENCES AND THE PEOPLE THAT YOU MEET IN, THE DISCUSSIONS YOU HAVE AT THOSE CONFERENCES ARE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. AGREED. AND, UH, CITY LEADERSHIP AGREES WITH THAT AS WELL. SO THAT'S ALWAYS AN OPTION. AS FAR AS THOSE CONFERENCES COMING UP, UM, I MADE THE DECISION TO, UM, ATTEND A FEW WORKSHOPS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR AND ATTEND AL THIS YEAR. UM, I, THE SCE AND ECI, THEY'RE GREAT. THEY'RE MORE FOCUSED ON CORPORATE. I DO GET A LOT OUT OF THEM, BUT THIS YEAR, UM, I, I SEE GOING TO THOSE EVERY OTHER YEAR IN COGO EVERY YEAR JUST BECAUSE IT'S A NETWORK OF MY PEERS. BUT THANK YOU. OKAY. I DEFINITELY APPRECIATE THAT. UM, ON THE CODE OF CONDUCT TRAINING THAT YOU MENTIONED, UM, WHAT WAS THE LENGTH OF THE CODE OF CONDUCT TRAINING THAT EVERYONE PREVIOUSLY TOOK? AND THEN WHAT LENGTH ARE YOU CONTEMPLATING NOW AND IS THERE GOING TO BE, LIKE, NOW THAT EVERYONE'S TAKEN THE GENERAL CODE OF CONDUCT, ARE YOU ABLE TO, ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT TARGETING A SPECIFIC AREA OF THE CODE OF CONDUCT OR ETHICAL CONDUCT AND REALLY FOCUSING IN ON THAT AREA? NO, IT'S REALLY JUST, UM, OR ITERATION OF THE EXISTING ONES. SO WE'RE NOT [01:00:01] FOCUSING ON ANYTHING SPECIFIC. WE'VE JUST CHANGED LANGUAGE, MAYBE ENHANCED HERE AND THERE. UM, THE LENGTH WAS ABOUT 23 MINUTES AND IT, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'LL FINISH WITH BECAUSE MY SCRIPT DID CHANGE A LITTLE BIT, BUT, WE'LL, IT WILL BE AROUND THAT. IF THERE'S ANYTHING SPECIFIC THAT WE DECIDE, UH, WE WANT TO FOCUS ON, I WOULD RECOMMEND DOING AN ADDITIONAL, UM, TRAINING THAT CAN LIVE UNLEARN ONLY BECAUSE THAT, THAT CODE OF CONDUCT TRAINING, WE ONLY TAKE THAT ONCE A YEAR. AND IT'S A GOOD REMINDER GENERALLY SPEAKING OF WHY WE HAVE THE CODE OF CONDUCT AND UM, AND HOW THAT APPLIES TO THE WORK THAT WE DO AS PUBLIC SERVANTS. SO, UM, BUT WE CAN ALWAYS, ONCE THE NEW ONE IS RELEASED AND YOU DECIDE WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FOR THE NEXT ONE, THAT'S A POSSIBILITY TOO. I, I DON'T HAVE ANY SUGGESTED CHANGES FOR 2024, UH, BUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING 20 25, 20 26 AND BEYOND, MAYBE GOING TO AN EVERY OTHER YEAR FOR THE GENERAL CODE OF CONDUCT. AND THEN ON THE OFF YEARS HAVING A BRIEF MENTION ABOUT THE GENERAL CODE OF CONDUCT AND THEN TAKING A DEEPER DIVE, PRIMARILY BECAUSE, AND I DON'T WANT IT TO BE THAT PEOPLE, IT GOES IN ONE EAR AND OUT THE OTHER AREA. 'CAUSE I THINK I JUST TOOK THIS TRAINING, WHY AM I TAKING IT AGAIN? UH, AND NOT LOSING THAT OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE WITH, UH, EVERYONE THAT IS TAKING THE TRAINING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR COMMISSIONER NORBIT? NOT A QUESTION, BUT JUST A, A COMMENT. UM, THANK YOU HEATHER, FOR THE, UM, ETHICAL ELEPHANT NEWSLETTER. I REALLY ENJOYED READING THAT, SO THANK YOU TO YOU AND JORGE AND THE STAFF. THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE WORK HARD ON THAT. YEAH. VERY PROUD OF IT. I CAN TELL IT'S, IT'S JUST NOT TWO PIECES OF PAPER AND YOU JOT THINGS DOWN. NO, YOU PUT A LOT OF WORK INTO IT, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? I, OKAY. ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, CAN WE HAVE THE VOTE PLEASE? OH, ALL RIGHT. MOTION CARRIES. ALRIGHT, OUR LAST ITEM IS A RECOMMENDATION TO OUR LAST ACTION ITEM IS A RECOMMENDATION TO DISCUSS POTENTIAL AGENDA ITEMS FOR FUTURE COMMISSION MEETINGS. CAN I HAVE A MOTION? IT IS BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER WEISS AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER COLEMAN. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY ITEMS THEY'D LIKE TO ADD TO A FUTURE AGENDA OF THE COMMISSION? SEEING NOTHING? OH, VICE CHAIR. UM, UH, I'VE NOTICED A, A NUMBER OF, UH, COMMENTS, PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT WE'VE GOTTEN OVER [11. 24-53529 Recommendation to discuss potential agenda items for future Commission meetings.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] THE YEARS ON, UM, THE COUNCIL MEMBERS. I'M LOOKING FOR THE EXACT NAME. I WROTE IT DOWN. UH, THE COUNCIL MEMBER ACCOUNTS, WHAT ARE THEY CALLED? UH, THE DISCRETIONARY DISCRETIONARY ACCOUNTS, UH, OFFICE HOLDER ACCOUNTS. YEAH. UM, AND I WONDER IF, UH, THERE'S INTEREST IN GETTING A PRESENTATION ON THOSE, ON WHAT THE RULES ARE, UH, ON OFFICE HOLDER ACCOUNTS. HEATHER, WOULD THAT BE YOUR OFFICE OR WOULD THAT BE THE CITY ATTORNEY? IT WOULD BE THE CITY ATTORNEY, BUT I CAN UM, CONNECT WITH ANITA. ANITA AND GO. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, I COMMISSIONER WEISS ON, ON THAT TOPIC. THERE MAY BE TWO THINGS, AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT THERE MAY BE DISCRETIONARY FUNDS THAT THE ELECTED IS ALLOWED TO SPEND AS, AS THEY SEE FIT. AND THEN AN OFFICE HOLDER'S ACCOUNT MAY BE WHAT'S LEFT OVER, YOU KNOW, THEIR, THEIR CAMPAIGN MONIES. I'M NOT SURE IF WHICH ONE OR IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BOTH, BUT IT MIGHT BE USEFUL TO HEAR ABOUT BOTH. I, I, I I AGREE. I WE THOUGHT THEY WERE THE SAME. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL I THINK THEY'RE TWO DIFFERENT, I THINK THEY MAY BE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS THERE. THERE'S A CHARTER ON, WE, WE HAVE A DISCUSSION AND GET THE, THE PRESENTATION SET UP. OKAY. SO, OKAY. DOES ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WANT TO COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE. COULD WE HAVE THE VOTE PLEASE? ALL RIGHT. MOTION CARRIES. OKAY, SO NOW IS THE TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE ETHICS COMMISSION ON NON AGENDA ITEMS. EACH SPEAKER IS LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES TO MAKE THEIR COMMENTS UNLESS EXTENDED BY THE CHAIR. IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT [01:05:04] A LITTLE BIT ON THE SAME SUBJECT AS BEFORE? I DON'T KNOW. YOU PROBABLY AWARE. LAST NIGHT'S CITY COUNCIL PASSED A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY TO DRAFT A RESOLUTION, BASICALLY CONDEMNING ALL FORMS OF MORE OR LESS HATE SPEECH OR [PUBLIC COMMENT Opportunity to address the Ethics Commission on non-agenda items. Each speaker is limited to three minutes to make their comments unless extended by the Chair.] INCITEMENT TO HATE AT PUBLIC MEETINGS, OBVIOUSLY WITHIN THE RULES OF FREE SPEECH. SO IF I'M A PRIVATE CITIZEN, I CAN SPEW HATE SPEECH AT AN OPEN MEETING. UH, THAT'S MY RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH. HOWEVER, IF I AM A CITY COMMISSIONER THAT'S BEEN APPOINTED SO THE PUBLIC DOESN'T ELECT ME OR UNELECT ME. 'CAUSE CERTAINLY IF I'VE BEEN ELECTED I CAN SPEW IT AND SOMEBODY CAN VOTE ME OUT OF OFFICE. BUT AS AN APPOINTED COMMISSIONER, IF YOU COME TO A CITY MEETING AND YOU SAY, I'M SPEAKING AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN, AND THEN YOU SPEW HATE SPEECH, BUT NOT IN YOUR COMMISSIONER ROLE, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT LINE GETS BLURRED. CAN SOMEONE AS A COMMISSIONER WHO THEN SAYS, I'M SPEAKING AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN TALK HATE SPEECH, NOT A, NOT A HATE CRIMES, NOT AN INCITEMENT TO VIOLENCE, BUT CLEARLY CROSSING THE LINES. 'CAUSE THIS SAYS CONDEMNING ALL FORMS OF RACISM, RELI, ETHNIC BIAS, DISCRIMINATION, THAT KIND OF SPEECH. THEY DON'T, THEY'RE NOT ENCOURAGING IT. BUT I CAN SAY IT AS A CITIZEN PRE SPEECH. BUT AGAIN, CAN I JUST TAKE OFF MY COMMISSIONER HAT, GO TO A MEETING AND THEN JUST SAY IT ALSO AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN DEAL WITH OR WORK WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY AND MAYBE IT'S OKAY, BUT I JUST WANNA RAISE IT THAT THEY ARE WORKING ON IT. AND THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. SO TOY, MAYBE YOU COULD JUST TAKE THAT COMMENT BACK TO YOUR OFFICE TO WHOMEVER IS WORKING ON THAT AND WE'D APPRECIATE IT. YEAH, WE'LL, WE'LL LOOK INTO THAT. OKAY. AND, AND I WANT TO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR STEPPING IN AT THE LAST MINUTE AND FILLING IN. WE ALWAYS ENJOY SEEING YOU. MY PLEASURE. IS THERE ANY OTHER [ANNOUNCEMENTS] PUBLIC COMMENT, ANYTHING OTHER BUSINESS TO BRING BEFORE THE COMMISSION? SEEING NONE, WE [ADJOURNMENT] STAND ADJOURNED. SHOULD I HAVE MEETING? OH, OH, THAT'S WHEN. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.