* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. ALL [00:00:01] RIGHT. WE WILL CALL TO ORDER THE MEETING OF THE FINANCE AND APPEALS COMMITTEE AT 3:05 PM ON JUNE 3RD. UM, YOU WANNA TAKE THE ROLE? SURE. UM, COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER REDFIELD? HERE. COMMISSIONER SMITH IS EXCUSED. ALRIGHT, YOU HAVE A QUORUM? UH, THANK YOU. WE WILL GO TO OUR AGENDA RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION FINANCE AND APPEALS COMMITTEE MEETING OF MAY 9TH, 2024. CAN I GET A MOTION? SO MOVED. I WILL SECOND. SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? THAT'S OUR ONE. IT'S A LONG MEETING, BUT I TRUST THE MINUTES. I'LL LET, UM, ANY DISCUSSION OR COMMENTS FROM YOU? NOPE. THANK YOU. I, ANY STAFF, ANY PUBLIC. ALRIGHT. ALTHOUGH, A, A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER REDFIELD. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL RIGHT. THAT PASSES. RECOMMENDATION TO DISCUSS FEE WAIVER REQUESTS RECEIVED BETWEEN MAY 9TH, 2024 AND JUNE 12TH, 2024. CAN I GET A MOTION? SO MOVED. I WILL. SECOND GLADYS? YES. UM, COMMISSIONERS ON BEHALF OF THE COMMUNITY, WE HAVE FOUR REQUESTS. UM, THE FIRST ON BEHALF OF THE PARTNERS OF PARKS WITH LONG BEACH GREAT PANTHERS. THIS IS AN EVENT THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AT THE LONG BEACH SENIOR CENTER IN THE AUDITORIUM. IT IS A COMMUNITY, COMMUNITY EVENT CELEBRATING THEIR 50TH ANNIVERSARY, THEY CALL IT AS THE CARNIVAL. THE AMOUNT THEY'RE REQUESTING TO BE WAIVED IS $315 IN FACILITY AND PERMIT FEES. AND THE APPLICABLE STAFF CHARGES ARE $180. THIS IS NOT, UM, A GATE REVENUE, UM, FUNCTION. SO, AND THE EXPECTED ATTENDANCE IS ABOUT 200. NEXT ON THE LIST IS ON BEHALF OF LOS CERRITOS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. THIS IS THEIR ANNUAL LOS CERRITOS, UM, COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION CONCERTS IN THE PARK. THESE ARE THE TWO CONCERTS THAT FOLLOW THEIR WEDNESDAY CONCERTS IN FOR THE MUNICIPAL VAN. THIS SUMMER. THEY ARE AUGUST 7TH AND AUGUST 14TH IN THE OPEN SPACE AT, UM, LOS CERRITOS PARK. AND THEY'RE REQUESTING, UH, $750 IN FACILITY IN PERMIT FEES TO BE WAIVED. ZERO APPLICABLE STAFF CHARGES. UM, AND THIS IS A COMMUNITY EVENT AND THAT'S JUST A PERMIT FEE. THERE'S NO FACILITY THERE, RIGHT? THERE IS NO FACILITY. RIGHT? JUST A, YEAH. IT'S, IT'S A, A PERMIT TO GATHER. OKAY. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NOPE. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, NEXT, ON BEHALF OF THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY OF LONG BEACH, THIS IS THEIR ANNUAL EVENT. IT'S THEIR HISTORICAL WALKING TOUR. THEY'RE WISHING TO USE THE MUNICIPAL CEMETERY AS WELL AS THE SUNNYSIDE CEMETERY AS A COMMUNITY EVENT ON OCTOBER 25TH AND OCTOBER 26TH. THEY'RE REQUESTED, UH, FEES TO BE WAIVED AS $1,150 PER FACILITY AND PERMIT FEE. AND THERE'S ZERO APPLICABLE STAFF CHARGES AND THEY EXPECT 1,427 PEOPLE IN ATTENDANCE. IT'S PRECISE. I LOVE THOSE, THOSE PRECISE ESTIMATIONS. , IS THIS THE, UH, ONE, THEY'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR YEARS AND YEARS. THEY'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR I'VE BEEN MANY, MANY YEARS. YEP. YEP. IT'S A GREAT EVENT. ALRIGHT, UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, OKAY, NEXT ONE. AND LAST WE HAVE DIG LIFE INCORPORATED. THEY'RE USE, THEY'RE REQUESTING THE USE OF THE CESAR CHAVEZ, UH, PARK AMPHITHEATER FOR COMMUNITY EVENT. IT'S DIG LIFE'S BACKPACK AND BIKE MEETUP. UM, REQUESTING TO HAVE $480 IN FACILITY AND PERMIT FEES TO BE WAIVED. AND THEY HAVE $390 IN APPLICABLE STAFF CHARGES AND THEIR ESTIMATED ATTENDANCE IS 383. I'VE NEVER HEARD OF THEM THAT I KNOW OF. SO, DIG LIFE, UM, IS, IS NOT A NEW GROUP TO US. I SEE. THAT JUST MIGHT NOT BE AS FAMILIAR. UM, BUT THEIR APPLICATION, WHICH STUCK IN MY PACKET, APOLOGIZE. UM, COMMISSIONERS IS, UM, GIVEN THE EVENTS FOCUS ON COMMUNITY SPORT AND YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, WE BELIEVE THAT PERMIT FREE WILL BE GREATLY BENEFIT OUR ABILITY TO REACH OUT AND ASSIST MORE STUDENTS IN NEED. BY LEAVING THE FINANCIAL BURDEN ASSOCIATED WITH PERMIT FEES, WE CAN ALLOCATE THOSE FUNDS TOWARDS ENHANCING THE EVENT, EXPERIENCING AND PROVIDING EXTRA ADDITIONAL RESOURCES TO CHILDREN IN THE COMMUNITY. SO THIS IS A BIKE MEETUP, SO THEY'RE ENCOURAGING THOSE TO, TO RIDE THEIR BIKE, RIDE THEIR BIKES THERE. OKAY. UM, AND BACKPACK GIVEAWAY. OKAY. AND THEY'RE LONG BEACH BASED, I ASSUME? YES. OKAY. DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT STANDS FOR? IT DOES NOT SAY WHAT THEY STAND FOR. UM, BUT IT IS, UM, THEY'RE ALL, UM, I'M JUST WONDERING IF THEY'VE CHANGED THEIR NAME BECAUSE I DON'T REMEMBER THE NAME, NAME, BUT I KNOW THAT WE'VE DONE THINGS LIKE BEFORE. IT SOUNDS MARVELOUS. GOOD FOR THAT COMMUNITY. YEP. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, ANY QUESTIONS FROM OTHER STAFF? ANY PUBLIC? ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE. WE HAD A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER REDFIELD, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. THAT PASSES. THANK YOU, GLADYS. THANK YOU. [00:05:01] UM, RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE AND UPDATE REGARDING DAMAGE, LOSS AND THOUGHT THEFT AS IT RELATES TO THE DEPARTMENT OF PARKS, RECREATION AND MARINE. CAN I GET A MOTION? SO MOVED AND I WILL SECOND MR. STEVE. ALRIGHT. UH, SO KIND OF A TALE OF, UH, TWO CITIES HERE. SO WE HAD A LOT OF ACTIVITY, UH, WITH RESPECT TO VANDALISM IN THE MONTH OF MAY. UH, KIND OF RUNS THE, YOU KNOW, THE ENTIRE GAMBIT OF, UH, OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF VANDALISM. THOUGH THIS MONTH SEEMS TO BE, UM, REALLY FOCUSED ON THE LOCKS, A LOT OF LOCK, UM, VANDALISM, EITHER, UM, PADLOCKS OR DOOR LOCKS, BOTH. UM, AND SO SOME OF OUR MORE EXPENSIVE COSTS. SO THE OTHER HALF OF THE COIN THAT I WAS TELLING YOU EARLIER IS IT WAS AN INEXPENSIVE MONTH THOUGH, LESS THAN $10,000. SO A LOT OF ACTIVITY, QUANTITY OVER QUALITY, BUT NOT FORTUNATELY, NOT EXPENSIVE, UH, VANDALISM. AND, UH, THE, THE VAST MAJORITY, UH, THIS PAST MONTH WERE TO THE LOCKS, BE THAT FOR GATES THAT WE MIGHT HAVE OUT EXTERIOR GATES, UM, DOORS LEADING INTO COMMUNITY CENTERS. UM, AND THEN SOME, UH, FREESTANDING RESTROOMS. DO WE HAVE A PROCESS TO GO AND PUT THOSE LITTLE, LIKE, UH, COVERS OVER THE PADLOCKS SO THAT YOU CAN ONLY TURN IT OUT AND DO THE KEY AND YOU CAN'T REALLY GET PLIERS OR CUTTERS IN THERE. SO WE DO, AND WE'VE TAKEN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT APPROACHES, UH, TO KIND OF PROTECTING THOSE THINGS. JUST LIKE WE HAVE WITH THE BACKFLOWS. YOU KNOW, WE PUT THE CAGES, THE CAGES OVER THE BACKFLOWS, WHICH UNFORTUNATELY NEXT MONTH YOU'RE GONNA SEE A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL, UH, VANDALISM REPORT FOR, I THINK IT WAS COOLIDGE PARK WHERE WE'VE HAD, WE HAD SOME PRETTY, UH, SIGNIFICANT LOSS THERE. AND THEY CUT THROUGH THE CAGES BECAUSE THAT WAS GONNA BE MY QUESTION. HOW EFFECTIVE ARE YOU FINDING? THEY, THEY HAVE BEEN EXTREMELY EFFECTIVE, AND I HAVE TO SAY THEY'VE BEEN EXTREMELY EFFECTIVE FROM YEARS AGO WHEN WE DIDN'T HAVE CAGES PROTECTING THEM. WE SAW IT A LOT MORE THAN WE SEE IT TODAY. HOW MANY CAGES WOULD YOU GUESS WE HAVE? OH, 50 OR 500? OH, NO, NO, NO. CLOSER TO THE LATTER. YEAH. CLOSER TO 550. PROBABLY NOT THAT MANY, BUT DEFINITELY MORE THAN LOT MORE THAN 50. GOT IT. THANK YOU. AND ONE PROBLEM LIKE THIS WHERE THEY CUT THROUGH IT SO FAR? CORRECT. OKAY. CORRECT. THANK YOU. UM, BUT THE WORD DOESN'T GET OUT THAT THAT WORKS. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, AND, AND WE DO A NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS, YOU KNOW, WE'LL PAINT THINGS THAT MIGHT HAVE VALUE AT A RECYCLING FACILITY. WE'LL PUT A COAT OF PAINT ON IT SO IT'S LESS VALUABLE AND SO THEREFORE LESS ATTRACTIVE. AH, GOT IT. TO STEAL. UM, UNFORTUNATELY YOU JUST GET SITUATIONS WHERE SOMEBODY WANTS THOSE PENNIES, YOU KNOW, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT THEY'RE GONNA GET, UH, FROM A RECYCLING ENTITY. BUT, AND THE, FOR WHATEVER NEED THEY, FOR WHATEVER REASON, THEY THINK THEY THINK THEY'RE GONNA GET MORE THAN THEY DO. YEAH. MM-HMM. AND THE, UH, COVER OF THE LOCKS THAT YOU STARTED TO TALK ABOUT BEFORE I INTERRUPTED. OH, UH, JUST WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE DOING KIND OF EVERYTHING WE CAN. UM, AND SO I USE THE CAGES AS AN EXAMPLE. WE ALSO COVER EXTERIOR, UM, ELECTRICAL OUTLETS. ANYTHING WE CAN DO THAT WOULD MAKE IT LESS ATTRACTIVE TO VANDALIZE SOMETHING. THANK YOU. UM, BUT AGAIN, ACTIVE MONTH, BUT FORTUNATELY NO REAL BIG TICKET ITEM. ALL OF IT WAS UNDER 10,000. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, THANK YOU. ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? UH, HEARING NONE. UH, MOTION BY COMMISSIONER REDFIELD. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL RIGHT. ITEM NUMBER FOUR, RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE AN UPDATE REGARDING FINANCE AND WATER AS IT RELATES TO THE DEPARTMENT OF PARKS, RECREATION AND MARINE. CAN I GET A MOTION? SO MOVED. I'LL SECOND STEVE AGAIN. OKAY. UH, COMMISSIONERS. SO WE, IF YOU CAN BELIEVE IT, ARE TWO THIRDS OF THE YEAR COMPLETE. TWO THIRDS OF THE FISCAL YEAR COMPLETE. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF USING THAT, UH, UH, FOR COMPARISON PURPOSES, WE HAVE ONLY SPENT ABOUT 56, 50 7% OF OUR GENERAL FUND BUDGET. AGAIN, I'M A BROKEN RECORD. I SAY THIS EVERY MONTH. WE CATCH UP DURING THE SUMMER, WE CATCH UP BECAUSE OF THE ACTIVITY IN THE PARKS. ALL OF THE PROGRAMMING WE PROVIDE BE THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE DAY CAMPS OR THE FUN DAYS OR ALL OF THE SPECIAL EVENTS BE SAFE PROGRAMS, UH, ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE HITTING IN THE SUMMER. AND THAT'S REALLY WHERE WE START TO SEE, UH, THE, THE REAL EXPENDITURES. UM, AND IT'S NOT JUST ON THE PROGRAMMING SIDE, IT'S ALSO ON THE MAINTENANCE SIDE. UM, WHERE, YOU KNOW, OUR BATHROOMS ARE GONNA BE USED A LOT MORE. OUR GROUNDS ARE GONNA BE USED A LOT MORE, SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT MORE MAINTENANCE [00:10:01] WORK, UH, TO DO AS WELL. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GONNA CATCH UP. EVERY YEAR WE WIND UP EVERY, THAT'S BEEN BUDGETED JUST ABOUT OUR ENTIRE BUDGET. AND SO THAT'LL BE THE CASE THIS YEAR. THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S REALLY OF ANY CONCERN THAT'S ON THE HORIZON THAT WE'RE NERVOUS ABOUT. YOU KNOW, ONE THING THAT I AM RELATIVELY PLEASED ABOUT IS OUR REVENUES. UM, THEY ARE ACTUALLY LOOKING VERY, VERY GOOD. GOLF IS A VERY BIG CONTRIBUTOR OF THAT. UM, BUT WE'RE ALSO SEEING SOME INCREASES IN LIKE OUR FACILITY USE PERMITS, UH, WHICH IS REALLY ENCOURAGING TO SEE AS MORE AND MORE PEOPLE NOW START TO KIND OF WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE A YEAR OR TWO OUT FROM A LOT OF THE CLOSURES FROM COVID, BUT PEOPLE ARE NOW REALLY STARTING TO, TO UTILIZE OUR ASSETS, UH, KIND OF LIKE THEY DID BEFORE, UH, THE PANDEMIC. SO, UH, SOME ENCOURAGING NUMBERS, UH, THERE AS WELL. ON THAT ONE. UH, THE MAYOR SENT SOMETHING OUT ON, I, I DUNNO IF IT'S CALLED VISION 28, BUT ON THAT NEW WEBSITE THAT SHOWS ALL THE PROGRAMS FOR LIKE SOMETHING 28. YES, IT IS. AND IT'S ELEVATE, ELEVATE 28. AND IT, THAT'S A WONDERFUL WEBSITE. I KNOW. IT, IT, THERE'S STUFF MISSING STILL, BUT I LOOKED THROUGH AT LEAST ALL THE PARK STUFF AND THAT THAT'S GONNA BE A GREAT TOOL AND GREAT ADVERTISING. YOU KNOW, IN, AND THIS IS KIND OF OFF THE AGENDA TOPIC, BUT YOU KNOW, IN ABOUT TWO MONTHS FROM NOW, THE WORLD'S EYES ARE GONNA TURN TO LA YEAH. GONNA BE TURNING TO WHAT? TO LOS ANGELES AFTER THE PARIS. AFTER THE PARIS AFTER PARIS OLYMPICS SUDDENLY ARE DONE. RIGHT. THE ENTIRE FOCUS IS GONNA BE ON LA AND SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES. AND SO A LOT OF WORK GREAT TO HAVE THOSE COMMUNICATIONS TOOLS, THEN I SURE HOPE THE, UH, THE AIRPORT GETS FINISHED. YEAH. BUT I THINK MOST OF THE INTERNATIONAL STUFF WILL GO, OH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LA LA NOT NO LA YEAH, BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LOT GOING ON RIGHT NOW. THEY DO A LOT. THEY DO. UM, FROM A BUDGETING STANDPOINT, I THINK THIS COMING YEARS' BUDGET IS NOT AFFECTED BY THE OIL THING, BUT I SAW, I THINK POST HAD A SUMMARY OF THE MM-HMM. . I, I DIDN'T WATCH THE MEETING WHERE THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE REVENUE IDEAS. IS THAT, ARE THOSE REVENUE IDEAS FOR 26 27? WHEN, WHEN, WHEN WOULD, WHEN WOULD THIS LOSS OF REVENUE HAPPEN? IS IT 30? IS IT 20, 28? SO, OKAY, WE'RE TALKING KIND OF A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS. WHEN I THINK OF THE LOSS OF OIL REVENUE, I'M REALLY THINKING OF THE TIDES. OKAY. UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE, THERE, THERE IS WORK KIND OF GOING ON RIGHT NOW TO REALLY PROJECT WHAT THAT'S GOING TO BE AND THEN HOW DO WE MEET, RIGHT. UM, THOSE POTENTIAL FUNDING ISSUES DOWN THE ROAD. I THINK THE OTHER WAS THAT I DID NOT SEE, WAS THIS AT THE COUNCIL MEETING THE OTHER NIGHT? I BELIEVE THAT IT WAS, THAT THE, THAT THEY HAVE, THEY ACCEPTED AN AUDIT OF WHAT THEY THINK BOTH UPLANDS AND TIDELANDS LOSSES WILL BE OVER A 10 YEAR PERIOD. BUT I'M JUST WONDERING WHEN THAT, WHEN DOES THAT, ASSUMING THAT THE NOVEMBER BALLOT THAT DEALS WITH OIL DOESN'T KICK IN, WHEN DOES, WHEN DO WE START LOSING ALL THAT REVENUE? UH, IT'S NOT 25. YEAH. UM, SO IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE SOMETIME DOWN THE ROAD. I DON'T HAVE WHICH FISCAL YEAR THOUGH. I'M NOT SURE. ALRIGHT. I WANTED TO SAY 28, BUT THAT, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT TOO. BUT I THINK 20, WE HAVE 28 ON THE GRADE OR 20, 20, 35. OH, I LIKE 35. NO, I MEAN, IT MIGHT BE 30. IT'S BEFORE THAT. IT MIGHT BE 30 WHEN IT KICKS IN. UH, BUT WE, WE CAN GET THAT ANSWER. I JUST, I'M JUST WONDERING. I MEAN, IT'S, I THINK THEY'RE, THEY'RE GETTING A, A LITTLE BIT OF A HEAD START, BUT WE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN OIL WAS GONNA DRY UP EVENTUALLY. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE FINANCE OR HOW'S WATER? WATER? OH, SO, UM, WE'RE STARTING TO SPEND SOME MONEY ON WATER. YEAH. UM, THESE KIND OF COOLER MORNINGS IN JUNE THOUGH ARE NICE. THAT'S GOTTA HELP. HAVE HELPED. YEAH. UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SPENT A LITTLE BIT OVER A MILLION DOLLARS AND WE HAVE ABOUT A $2.8 MILLION BUDGET, SO WE HAVE BENEFITED SAME TWO THIRDS FROM SOME, SOME RAIN, UM, NATURAL IRRIGATION OVER THE WINTER. UM, BUT TO, YOU KNOW, TO THINK WE STILL HAVE $1.8 MILLION TO SPEND AND WE'VE ONLY SPENT A MILLION SO FAR. BUT JUST KNOW DURING THESE VERY WARM SUMMER MONTHS, THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY WHERE WE, WE SPEND NOW WE GOT A GOOD BASE FROM THE RAIN THOUGH. HAVE WE BASICALLY GOTTEN ALMOST ALL OF THE PARKS ONTO THE, THE, THE LESS MANUAL, MORE AUTOMATED MM-HMM. STUFF. OKAY. YEP. THAT'S GOOD. ALRIGHT. ANY OTHER QUE DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NO PUBLIC COMMENT. ALL RIGHT. WE HAD A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER REDFIELD AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALRIGHT. [00:15:01] UH, OH, THE ONLY QUESTION I DID HAVE ONE QUESTION HIRING. DID, DID EVERY, EVERY POSITION THAT REC NEEDED GET FILLED FOR SUMMER, THEY STILL HAVE A FEW THAT NEED. OH, NO. WE'RE, WE'RE ALWAYS WORKING ON IT. EVEN GOING INTO SUMMER. INTO SUMMER, BECAUSE AS SOON AS YOU THINK YOU ARE FULLY STAFFED FOR A PROGRAM, SOMEBODY LEAVES, SOMEBODY GETS SEEN ANOTHER JOB, OR THEY REALIZE COLLEGE STARTS A LITTLE BIT EARLIER THAN THEY EXPECTED, OR, YOU KNOW, WHO KNOWS WHAT. SO THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE NEEDS. AND SO WE ARE ALWAYS IN THE PROCESS OF BRINGING ON NEW PEOPLE. BUT FOR THE MOST PART, YES. UM, IN TERMS OF THAT CORE, UM, KIND OF BASE, BECAUSE I THINK THAT HAS POSTED SOMETHING. IT WAS ON THE PRM FACEBOOK OF, UM, ONE OF THE KICKOFF SESSIONS. THEY HAVE THEIR TWO NIGHTTIME I THEY CALL ACADEMY OR SOMETHING. THEY DO REALLY ROBUST, UH, TRAINING, TRAINING PROGRAM. SO THEY'VE HAD I THINK, TWO OR THREE, UM, UH, TRAINING EVENTS RELATED TO THAT. ALL RIGHT. UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM STAFF AND NO PUBLIC COMMENT. ALL RIGHT. WITHOUT OBJECTION. WE WILL ADJOURN AT 3 23. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.