* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:23] GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. THANK YOU SO [CALL TO ORDER] MUCH FOR COMING THIS MORNING. WE WILL NOW CALL THE CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING TO ORDER AT 9 0 5. [ROLL CALL] MS. CHRISTINA, CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? YES, YOU MAY. PRESIDENT GORDON PETERSON. HERE. COMMISSIONER OR VICE PRESIDENT SUNA. EXCUSE ME. PRESIDENT, COMMISSIONER. LOVE. HERE. WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU. UM, THIS IS MY FAVORITE TIME. IT'S [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE] THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. AND I'D LIKE TO ASK MR. GARY ANDERSON TO LEAD US IN THAT PLEDGE, PLEASE. MY PLEASURE. WOULD YOU PLEASE STAND AND RISE AND BEGIN? I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. WE'RE ONTO THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION. ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. UH, ASHLEY GUNCKEL GRAND LODGE SPECIAL REPRESENTATIVE WITH THE IAM. GLAD TO SEE YOU ALL HERE BEFORE THE HOLIDAY. UM, I'M HERE [PUBLIC COMMENT Opportunity to address the Civil Service Commission on agenda items. ] TO KIND OF SPEAK ON ITEM, I THINK IT'S NUMBER NINE. UH, THE REQUEST FOR APPROVAL TO UTILIZE UNCLASSIFIED BUSINESS SYSTEM SPECIALIST POSITION FOR A LIMITED TERM. THIS HAS BEEN A CONTINUOUS PROBLEM MORE SPECIFICALLY IN TECHNOLOGY. UM, EVEN WHEN I WAS A CITY EMPLOYEE, THIS WORK, THIS LEGACY SYSTEM HAS BEEN AROUND A REALLY LONG TIME AND I HAVEN'T UNDERSTOOD WHY WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO TRAIN THE CURRENT INDIVIDUALS THAT WORK IN THE BSS CLASSIFICATION TO TAKE ON THIS LEGACY WORK THAT, UH, LB CO SYSTEM BACK IN 2015 WAS SUPPOSED TO REPLACE THE OLD LEGACY SYSTEMS. THAT HAS BEEN NINE YEARS. UM, AND THERE'S BEEN NO CHANGE. I THINK THIS, THERE'S A LOT MORE QUESTIONS HERE. UM, AND I DON'T THINK THIS IS PROPER IN THE SENSE OF TAKING A CLASSIFIED BSS POSITION AND UTILIZING IT IN THE UNCLASSIFIED SERVICE IF THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO IMPLEMENT NEW SYSTEMS FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS. PLUS THIS PERSON'S GONNA BE AROUND A VERY LONG TIME, EVEN IF THEY IMPLEMENTED AND CHAIN AND TURNED OFF THE CURRENT SYSTEMS. NOW YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE SOMEBODY THERE PAST A YEAR BECAUSE IN THEIR SYSTEMS, THE AUDITING, YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE ISSUES WITH AUDITING FOR THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA STILL HAVE TO RECONCILE SOME ACCOUNTS WITHIN THE CITY. AND UNFORTUNATELY IN THIS CITY, FROM MY EXPERIENCE, 'CAUSE I DID IMPLEMENT SOME SYSTEMS WITHIN THE CITY, IS THAT THEY OPERATE VERY SPECIFICALLY TO THE TECHNOLOGY OUT THERE THAT DOES NOT, UM, GO WITH THE WAY THE CITY OPERATES. SO, LIKE LB COAST, THEY TRIED IMPLEMENTING A SYSTEM THAT JUST DID NOT WORK FOR HOW THE CITY OPERATES AND HOW THEY DO BUSINESS. SO THEY HAD TO SCRATCH IT. SO HOW CAN WE JUST CONTINUOUSLY USE SOMEBODY IN THE BSS SYSTEM IN AN UNCLASSIFIED, HAVE NO PLAN TO TRAIN PEOPLE THAT ARE CURRENTLY HERE, OR UTILIZE THE ACTIVE ELIGIBILITY LIST TO HAVE SOMEBODY LEARN THESE LEGACY SYSTEMS AND BE ABLE TO TAKE US FURTHER MORE INTO THE FUTURE. I THINK, AND I, I HOPE THE COMMISSION, IF I'M WRONG ON THIS, PLEASE CORRECT ME, BUT I THINK YOU CAN UTILIZE IT AS A CLASSIFIED TEMPORARY POSITION INSTEAD OF AN UNCLASSIFIED TEMPORARY POSITION. SO I'M, I'M REQUESTING TO KIND OF LOOK INTO THAT. I DON'T THINK THIS IS A GOOD USE OF THIS POSITION. A GOOD USE OF THE COMMISSION'S TIME. A GOOD USE OF THE CITY'S TIME. I THINK WE NEED A PLAN. HOW DO WE KEEP THIS FROM CONTINUOUSLY HAPPENING? YOU GUYS HAVE AN ELIGIBILITY LIST AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT USED. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE'RE ONTO THE CONSENT CALENDAR. ARE THERE ANY OTHER ITEMS THAT COMMISSIONERS WANT PULLED? HEARING NONE. CAN I GET A MOTION AND A SECOND? [00:05:02] PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. AND WE'RE ON TO THE REG REGULAR AGENDA. ITEM FOUR. [CONSENT CALENDAR (1. – 3.)] I NEED A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR OUR MEETING OF JUNE 20TH. PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. [4. 24-54021 Recommendation to approve the minutes for the Civil Service Commission Special Meeting of June 20, 2024.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] ALL RIGHT. WE'RE ON TO RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE, UH, THE REDUCTION OF A ELIGIBILITY LIST. IT'S THE ELECTRICAL INSTRUMENTATION TECHNICIAN ONE THROUGH TWO. YES. AND WE HAVE LEVI SINKLER TO PREPARE, UH, PRESENT TO YOU THIS MORNING. I'M SORRY, LEVI SINER WILL PRESENT THE STAFF REPORT THIS MORNING. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING, SIR. GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. UH, ONE MOMENT. I'M JUST WAITING FOR, UH, ARE WE GOOD? YEP. OKAY, GO AHEAD LEVI. THANK [5. 24-54025 Recommendation to approve reduction of eligible list – Electrical and Instrumentation Technician I-II.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] YOU, SIR. ALL RIGHT. YES. UM, ON JANUARY, JANUARY 23RD OF, UH, THIS YEAR, THE LONG BEACH UTILITIES DEPARTMENT DID INFORM CIVIL SERVICE STAFF THAT THE ELECTRICAL INSTRUMENTATION TECHNICIAN ELIGIBLES, UM, HAD BEEN EXHAUSTED. UM, SO IN COMPLIANCE WITH ARTICLE FOUR, SECTION 26 OF THE CIVIL SERVICE RULES AND REGULATIONS, UM, ELIGIBLE LIST, UH, FROM AN OPEN COMPETITIVE EXAMINATION SHALL GENERALLY EXPIRE ONE YEAR FROM THEIR ESTABLISHED EFFECTIVE DATES. AND THE RULE ALSO STATES THAT THIS LIST MAY BE EXTENDED OR REDUCED, UM, UPON, EXCUSE ME, ASSESSMENT BY THE COMMISSION OR REVIEW BY THE COMMISSION. UM, STAFF DID CONDUCT, UH, AN OPEN NON-COMPETITIVE RECRUITMENT FOR THE ELECTORAL INSTRUMENTATION TECHNICIAN ON MARCH 5TH, 2021. UM, CULMINATING THE CREATION OF FOUR ELIGIBLE LISTS, UM, FROM JUNE, UH, JUNE AND SEPTEMBER OF 2021, ALL THE WAY THROUGH FEBRUARY AND MARCH OF 2022. UM, CURRENTLY LIST TWO, THREE, AND FOUR, SCHEDULED TO EXPIRE SEPTEMBER 14TH, 15TH, AND SEPTEMBER 29TH, RESPECTIVELY. UM, COLUMBIA BEACH UTILITIES HAS PROVIDED DISPOSITIONS FOR THE REMAINING 27 CANDIDATES. UM, AND A NEW RECRUITMENT IS SCHEDULED TO, UM, BEGIN ON JULY 5TH, UM, OF THIS MONTH. UH, DISPOSITIONS, UM, ARE LISTED IN YOUR REPORT HERE. UM, AND WE DO, UH, RECOMMEND THAT THE LIST BE EXHAUSTED, EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY. UM, AND WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE DEPARTMENT HERE TO ASK ANY OR ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO. ALL RIGHT, THEN I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. AND I ALWAYS LIKE IT WHEN WE'RE WORKING WITH THE DEPARTMENTS TO MEET THEIR NEEDS. IF THESE LISTS ARE, IF IT'S TIME TO GO, IT'S TIME TO GO. WE'RE NOT GONNA FIGHT YOU ON THAT. SO THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT. MOTIONS CARRIED. MOTION CARRIES. OH, SORRY. I'M TRYING TO TAKE YOUR SPOT THERE. NO, NO, NO. . THANK YOU. LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM SIX. THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE BULLETIN FOR ELECTRICAL AND INSTRUMENTATION TECHNICIAN ONE AND TWO. AND I NEED YOU TO SPEAK MORE ON THE MIC. MY HEARING'S GOING. GOT IT. GO AHEAD LEVI. ALRIGHT. YES. UM, SO WE'RE GONNA BE REPEATING MYSELF A LITTLE HERE. UM, BUT THE EXAMINATION FOR THE ELECTRICAL AND INSTRUMENTATION TECHNICIAN ONE THROUGH TWO WAS LAST ADMINISTERED AS A CONTINUOUS NON-COMPETITIVE EXAM OPPORTUNITY IN FISCAL YEAR 21, UM, [6. 24-54024 Recommendation to approve bulletin – Electrical and Instrumentation Technician I-II.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] FROM MARCH 5TH OF 21 THROUGH, UH, MARCH 11TH, 2022. UM, AT THAT TIME, 88 CANDIDATES DID APPLY, UH, RESULTING IN FOUR ELIGIBLE LISTS CONTAINING 29 QUALIFIED CANDIDATES. UM, THE LISTS WERE REFERRED TO FIVE REQUISITIONS, UH, FROM THE SINGLE USER DEPARTMENT. LONG BEACH UTILITIES. UH, TWO SELECTIONS WERE MADE FROM THE ELIGIBLE LISTS. UM, AND THEY'RE CURRENTLY FOUR VACANCIES. UM, AS I JUST FOUND OUT YESTERDAY, UM, IN THE LONG BEACH UTILITIES DEPARTMENT, UH, THE PROPOSED RECRUITMENT WILL BE RUN AS AN OPEN NON-COMPETITIVE, UH, ON A CONTINUOUS BASIS. UM, SO WE CAN CREATE, UH, MULTIPLE ELIGIBLE AS WITH THE LAST TIME. UH, SO SOME PROPOSED CHANGES, UM, TO THE BULLETIN INCLUDE THE UPDATED FILING, UH, FILING DATES AND SALARY INFORMATION. UH, WE CONDENSED DOWN THE DUTIES, UM, FOR EASE OF READABILITY, UH, REMOVED THE COVID-19 VACCINATION LANGUAGE, AND WE DID ADD THE EQUITY AND INCLUSION LANGUAGE. UM, WE DO, UH, RECOMMEND THE WEIGHTS REMAIN THE SAME, UH, BEING THE APPLICATION AND SUPPLEMENT APPLICATION, UH, AS QUALIFYING. UM, THAT DOES CONCLUDE MY REPORT. UH, WE DO HAVE A MEMBER FROM THE DEPARTMENT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONERS, WE'RE GOOD. THANK YOU. IF YOU'LL CAST YOUR VOTE, PLEASE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, LEVI. THANK YOU LEVI. ITEM SEVEN. THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE BULLETIN FOR COMMUNITY SERVICES ASSISTANCE [00:10:01] ONE AND TWO. AND DO YOU HAVE MARIA CONNO PRESENTING THIS BULLETIN THIS MORNING? THANK YOU. IT'S GOOD TO SEE. OKAY. GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS READY. THE EXAMINATION FOR COMMUNITY SERVICES ASSISTANT WAS LAST [7. 24-54022 Recommendation to approve bulletin – Community Services Assistant I-II.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] ADMINISTERED AS AN OPEN COMPETITIVE EXAM OPPORTUNITY, UH, RUNNING THROUGH FISCAL YEARS 22 AND 23 FROM AUGUST 22 THROUGH DECEMBER 22. AT THAT TIME, 413, UH, CANDIDATES SUPPLIED, UH, RESULTING IN TWO ELIGIBLE LISTS. ELIGIBLE LIST NUMBER ONE YIELDED 110 CANDIDATES WITH A HUNDRED REMAINING ON THE LIST THAT WAS ESTABLISHED ON DECEMBER 7 22 AND SCHEDULED TO EXPIRE IN DECEMBER 24. IT WILL BE NECESSARY TO REDUCE THIS ELIGIBLE LIST WHEN THE NEW ELIGIBLE LIST IS PRODUCED, AND THERE WILL BE, THERE WERE 10 SELECTIONS MADE FROM THIS LIST. THE ELIGIBLE LIST FOR TEST NUMBER TWO YIELDED 75 CANDIDATES, ALL 75 REMAINING. THIS LIST WAS ESTABLISHED ON JANUARY 18TH, 2023, AND EXPIRED DURING COM WAS EXPIRED DURING A COMMISSION MEETING AT THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE COMMISSION ON MARCH 17TH, 2024. AND THERE WERE NO SELECTIONS MADE FROM THIS LIST PER DEPARTMENT FEEDBACK. THE LIST STOPPED GARNERING INTEREST IN THE POSITION, DESPITE HAVING REACHED OUT TO ALL CANDIDATES MULTIPLE TIMES. THERE ARE CURRENTLY 10 VACANCIES IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, WITH TWO REQUISITIONS RECEIVED BETWEEN OCTOBER 22 AND MARCH 24. FOUR. VACANCIES REMAIN FROM FISCAL YEAR OF REQUISITION FROM FISCAL YEAR 22 AND SIX FROM A REQUISITION FROM FISCAL YEAR 24. THE PROPOSED RE RE RECRUITMENT WILL BE RUN AS AN OPEN COMPETITIVE OPEN COMPETITIVE RECRUITMENT ON A CONTINUOUS BASIS. THE RESULTING ELIGIBLE LIST, SORRY, ELIGIBLE LIST WILL BE ESTABLISHED FOR SIX MONTHS AND MAY BE EXTENDED NOT TO EXCEED TWO YEARS. ADDITIONAL PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE COMMUNITY SERVICES ASSISTANT ONE THROUGH TWO BULLETIN ARE UPDATED FILING AND SALARY INFORMATION AND ADDED VACANCY INFORMATION. VETERANS LANGUAGE AND EQUITY AND INCLUSION LANGUAGE STAFF RECOMMENDS THE EXAMINATION WAS TO REMAIN THE SAME WITH A WRITTEN EXAM, WAITED AT 100% AND A SUPPLEMENTAL APPLICATION AND INITIAL APPLICATION PERIOD OF TWO WEEKS FROM, UH, 7 5 24 TO 7 19 24. UM, ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? HEARING NONE, WE'LL CALL FOR A VOTE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MOTION CARRIES. WE'RE ON TO ITEM EIGHT. THIS IS TO REPROVE A BULLETIN FOR SPECIAL SERVICES OFFICERS ONE THROUGH FOUR. I NEED A MOTION. THANK YOU. AND MARIA ALSO HAS THIS BULLETIN. THANK YOU, MARIA. HELLO AGAIN. THE EXAMINATION FOR SPECIAL SERVICES OFFICER ONE THROUGH FOUR WAS LAST ADMINISTERED AS AN OPEN NON-COMPETITIVE EXAM OPPORTUNITY FROM APRIL, 2016 THROUGH, UH, [8. 24-54023 Recommendation to approve bulletin – Special Services Officer I-IV.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation.  ] JUNE, 2024. UH, SINCE A JUNE 21ST, 2024. LET ME SPECIFY THAT. SINCE APRIL, 2016, CIVIL SERVICE HAS RECEIVED 3,368 APPLICATIONS RESULTING IN HUNDREDS OF QUALIFIED CANDIDATES OVER 80 ELIGIBLE LISTS. TODAY'S LIST, UH, THAT YOU APPROVED JUST A LITTLE EARLIER WAS LIST NUMBER 81. THIS BULLETIN IS LONG AWAITED BECAUSE IT WILL NOW ALLOW TESTING TO TAKE PLACE. IN COMPARISON, THE PREVIOUS BULLETIN REQUIRED APPLICANTS TO APPLY, HAVING ALREADY EARNED POST CERTIFICATES, HAVING TAKEN OR HAVING TAKEN THE PATE B EXAM, A TEST COMMONLY USED FOR POLICE RECRUITS OR HAVING ALREADY BEEN PLACED ON THE LONG BEACH POLICE RECRUIT ELIGIBLE LIST. IN GENERAL, THE BULLETIN UNINTENTIONALLY TARGETED APPLICANTS ON A POLICE RECRUIT TRAJECTORY TO THE EXCLUSION OF APPLICANTS WHO WERE NOT INTERESTED IN BECOMING POLICE OFFICERS. BUT WERE INTERESTED IN BECOMING SPECIAL SERVICES OFFICERS. THERE ARE CURRENTLY 30 VACANCIES IN THE CLASSIFICATION WITH ADDITIONAL VACANCIES ANTICIPATED, UH, BECAUSE IT TARGETS POLICE RECRUITS, SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE IN THAT CLASSIFICATION WILL GO ON TO THE ACADEMY. MM-HMM. . SO IT LEAVES VACANCIES ON A RECURRING BASIS. THE PROPOSED RECRUITMENT WILL BE RUN ON AN OPEN COMPETITIVE RECRUITMENT. THE RESULTING ELIGIBLE LIST WILL BE ESTABLISHED FOR SIX MONTHS. IT MAY BE EXTENDED NOT TO EXCEED THREE YEARS. ADDITIONAL PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE SPECIAL SERVICES OFFICER BULLETIN ARE FILING DATES AND SALARY INFORMATION CHANGES TO THE REQUIREMENTS TO FILE TO ALLOW APPLICANTS TO TEST ADDITION OF VETERAN'S QUALIFICATION LANGUAGE, ADDITION OF EQUITY AND INCLUSION LANGUAGE CHANGES IN KNOWLEDGE, SKILLS AND ABILITIES. UPDATES TO INFORMATION ABOUT THE POSITIONS IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND AIRPORT [00:15:01] UPDATES TO THE DESIRABLE QUALIFICATION SECTION AND CHANGES TO THE EXAMINATION WAIT SECTION, A STAFFER COMMENDS EXAMINATION SERVE AS A QUALIFYING EXAM IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE SUPPLEMENTAL APPLICATION. UH, AN APPLICATION FILING PERIOD OF TWO WEEKS FROM SEVEN FIVE TO SEVEN 19 IS PROPOSED. THANK YOU. GOOD. COMMISSIONERS. ANY QUESTIONS? GOOD. LET'S CALL FOR A VOTE PLEASE. THANK. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. OH, OKAY. ITEM NINE. THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE EXCEPTION TO THE CIVIL SERVICE RULES AND REGULATIONS. ARTICLE EIGHT, SECTION ONE 15. NUMBER THREE, UTILIZE UNCLASSIFIED BUSINESS SYSTEMS POSITION FOR LIMITED TERM. YES, SIR. [9. 24-54031 Recommendation to approve exception to Civil Service Rules and Regulations – Article VIII, Section 115(3) – Utilize Unclassified Business Systems Position for Limited Term-TID.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation.  ] I'M GOING TO, UM, WAIT FOR A MOTION AND WE'LL GET STARTED. YOU'RE GOOD. ALL RIGHT. AND, AND CAN I JUST, UM, FOR THE RECORD, IT'S BUSINESS SYSTEM SPECIALIST, UM, IN THE TITLE. SO YOU LEFT OFF SPECIALIST ON THE AGENDA, BUT JUST FOR THE, FOR THE MINUTES RECORD, IT WILL REFLECT BUSINESS SYSTEM SPECIALIST. YES, THANK YOU. BUSINESS SYSTEM SPECIALIST. GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. THE CIVIL SERVICE DEPARTMENT HAS RECEIVED CORRESPONDENCE FROM THE TECHNOLOGY INNOVATION DEPARTMENT, UH, TO UTILIZE THE CLASSIFICATION OF BUSINESS SYSTEM SPECIALIST FOR ONE UNCLASSIFIED POSITION FOR A LIMITED TERM STAFF HAS REVIEWED THEIR REQUESTS AND RECOMMENDS APPROVAL IN ACCORDANCE WITH ARTICLES 11 SECTION 11 0 2 SUBSECTION A SIX OF THE LONG BEACH CITY CHARTER AND ARTICLE EIGHT, SECTION ONE 15 SUBSECTION THREE OF THE CIVIL SERVICE RULES AND REGULATIONS FACTS FOR CONSIDERATION, THE CITY HAS PLACED THE LB COAST PHASE TWO PROJECT ON HOLD, WHICH IS A MAJOR TECHNOLOGY PROJECT DESIGNED TO REPLACE MANY OF THE FINANCIAL, PAYROLL AND HUMAN RESOURCE SYSTEMS. AND THE TECHNOLOGY INNOVATION MUST CONTINUE SUPPORTING THE CURRENT LEGACY SYSTEMS LONGER THAN PLAN. ALTHOUGH SOME OF THE LB COAST, UH, PROJECTS HAVE MOVED FORWARD AND NEED STILL REMAINS TO MAINTAIN DESIGN AND MODIFY THE CURRENT SYSTEMS, WHICH INCLUDES THE PAYROLL AND HUMAN RESOURCES SYSTEMS. CURRENTLY, THERE IS ONE CLASSIFIED EMPLOYEE WORKING ON THIS, AND IT'S A SINGLE POINT OF FAILURE FOR THIS, UH, CRITICAL CITYWIDE PRECISION. THE BUSINESS SYSTEM SPECIALIST WAS IDENTIFIED AS THE MOST APPROPRIATE CLASSIFICATION AS IT REFLECTS THE REQUIRED SPECIALIZED TECHNICAL AND PROJECT MANAGEMENT BACKGROUND REQUIRED FOR THIS CRITICAL TASK. THE EMPLOYEE IN THIS UNCLASSIFIED POSITION WILL SERVE A LIMITED TIME AND WILL BE RELEASED WHEN THE ONCE FROM THEIR POSITION UPON THE SUCCESSFUL TRANSITION FROM THE LEGACY SYSTEMS TO THE NEW LB CODE SYSTEM. THEREFORE, RATHER THAN FILL IN THIS POSITION UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF CIVIL SERVICE, WHICH WILL ASSOCIATE A LAYOFF ONCE THE PROJECT IS COMPLETED, TID REQUESTS TO FILL THIS POSITION UTILIZING THE UNCLASSIFIED SERVICE AND THEREFORE NOT IMPACT IMPACTING OTHER CLASSIFIED EMPLOYEES THROUGH A LAYOFF. ARTICLE EIGHT, SECTION ONE 15 SUBSECTION THREE OF THE CIVIL SERVICE RULES AND RELATION ALLOWS FOR AN EXCEPTION TO THE RULES. IF IN THE OPINION OF THE COMMISSION, THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY WILL BE SERVED IN FEBRUARY, 2015, THE COMMISSION APPROVED THE REQUEST FROM THE CITY TO UTILIZE THE BUSINESS SYSTEMS SPECIALIST CLASSIFICATION FOR 12 UNCLASSIFIED POSITIONS FOR LIMITED TERM TO ASSIST WITH FACILITATING THE ENTERPRISE RESOURCE PLANNING PROJECT NOW CALLED LB COAST. THE RECENT MODIFICATION TO LONG BEACH COAST PROJECT NOW REQUIRES ONLY ONE UNCLASSIFIED POSITION, UH, TO SUPPORT THE CURRENT CLASSIFIED EMPLOYEE FOR THIS RECENT, UH, TID REQUESTS TO UTILIZE THE BUSINESSES AND SPECIALIST CLASSIFICATION FOR A LIMITED TERM WITH THE SOLE RESPONSIBILITY OF MAINTAINING THE CURRENT LEGACY SYSTEMS INTO THE LB COAST PHASE TWO PROJECT RESUMES IN ACCORDANCE WITH CIVIL SERVICE POLICY 1.81 STAFF COMMENDS LIBERTY THE INITIAL REQUEST TO ONE YEAR. HOWEVER, IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE PROJECT IS TENTATIVELY ON HOLD FOR THREE TO FIVE YEARS, AND TID WILL LIKELY COME BACK ONCE THEY HAVE MORE INFORMATION TO REQUEST AN EXTENSION THAT IS MORE APPLICABLE OR AND APPROPRIATE, WHICH CAN BE ANYWHERE FROM THREE OR MORE YEARS. UM, AND THE TECHNOLOGY INNOVATION DEPARTMENT, UM, HAS BEEN NOTIFIED THAT THIS REQUEST IS IN TODAY'S AGENDA. AND THERE IS A REPRESENTATIVE HERE TODAY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION. THANK YOU MR. UNA. THANK YOU, PRESIDENT. THIS IS NOT DIRECTLY FOR YOU, SAL. UM, BUT I HEARD THE PUBLIC COMMENT REGARDING THIS [00:20:01] ITEM, AND I, I WANT TO SHARE THAT I SHARE THAT FRUSTRATION. UM, IN 2015, WE SAID LIMITED TERM. UM, I THINK FOR THAT'S NINE YEARS AGO, THAT DOESN'T SOUND VERY LIMITED TO ME. WE'RE NOW TALKING ABOUT THREE TO FIVE YEARS. THAT ALSO DOESN'T SOUND LIKE VERY LIMITED. THERE ARE CLASSIFIED POSITIONS THAT HAVE LASTED SHORTER AMOUNTS OF TIME THAN THAT. UM, SO, UH, I'M NOT GONNA FIGHT THIS. I'M SORRY, ASHLEY, I'M NOT GONNA FIGHT IT, BUT I DO WANNA NOTE THAT, UM, THIS DOES SEEM AN, LIKE AN EXTREMELY INEFFECTIVE WAY TO GO ABOUT THIS, UM, BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE YEAR NOW, THREE TO FIVE, AND IN FIVE YEARS, MAYBE ANOTHER THREE TO FIVE, AND THIS BECOMES ANOTHER NINE YEARS. AND SO I JUST WANT ALL OF THAT ON THE RECORD, UM, BECAUSE IT DOES SEEM A LITTLE ODD TO NOT JUST SAY, HEY, UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LIVE WITH THIS SYSTEM FOR A FEW MORE YEARS, SO WE SHOULD PROBABLY MAKE THIS A CLASSIFIED POSITION. AND WE SHOULD HAVE PROBABLY DONE THAT TO BEGIN WITH, RIGHT? BECAUSE NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GOING INTO OVER A DECADE AROUND SOMETHING THAT WE SAID WE WERE GONNA TRANSITION OUT AND WE STILL HAVEN'T. SO I JUST WANT ALL OF THAT ON THE RECORD, UM, BECAUSE I, I UNDERSTAND AND SHARE THE FRUSTRATION THAT WAS EXPRESSED IN PUBLIC COMMENT EARLIER. THAT'S ALL. COMMISSIONER LOVE. YEAH, I, UH, AGREED WITH COMMISSIONER ZOOM UP. I HAD, WHEN I SAW THIS ORIGINALLY, I HAD, UH, A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS THAT I ASKED, UH, CHRISTINE TO ANSWER FOR ME. SO IF YOU WANNA PUT THOSE QUESTIONS IN THE RECORD, I WON'T REPEAT MYSELF, BUT, UM, I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS OPEN-ENDEDNESS AND, YOU KNOW, NO ACCOUNTABILITY IS JUST AN UNCLASSIFIED EMPLOYEE, AND I THINK EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE JOB STABILITY AND UNCLASSIFIED EMPLOYEES DO NOT HAVE THAT. SO I, I I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS. SO THE UNFORTUNATE PART IS THAT, UM, I HAVE WORKED WITH CHANGING OVER SYSTEMS, AND SO I DO UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGES, BUT IF I HEARD RIGHT, IS THIS A NINE YEAR CHALLENGE? SO, UM, IS THERE SOMEONE FROM THE DEPARTMENT THAT CAN ENLIGHTEN US AND HELP US OUT? YES. I'D LIKE TO INVITE MS. NICOLE GROSS. HI, GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. NICOLE GROSS, ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER FOR TECHNOLOGY AND INNOVATION. THANK YOU FOR COMING. WE APPRECIATE IT. YES, OF COURSE. THANK YOU FOR HAVING US AND FOR CONSIDERING THIS, I KNOW THAT THIS IS, UM, A CHALLENGING, UH, TOPIC DISCUSSION TO HAVE. UM, IT HAS BEEN ONGOING. UM, IT HAS BEEN VERY FRUSTRATING FOR US IN THE DEPARTMENT AND FOR THE CITY AS WELL. UH, WE WERE HOPING WHEN, OF COURSE, THE PROJECT STARTED BACK IN 2015, THAT WE WOULD BE AT A POINT NOW THAT WE HAD CONVERTED OVER TO THE NEW SYSTEM. UM, DUE TO MANY CHALLENGES, UM, THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED. AND, UM, WE HAVE NEEDED TO PUT THE PROJECT ON HOLD, UH, FOR A FEW YEARS SO THAT WE CAN REFOCUS AND REDETERMINE WHAT THE NEEDS ARE AND THEN COME UP WITH A NEW, UM, PLAN AND, UM, SYSTEM FOR OUR, UH, LB COAST SYSTEM. SO THAT'S WHY IT WAS PUT ON HOLD. BUT IN THE MEANTIME, WE DO NEED TO MAINTAIN OUR LEGACY SYSTEM, UM, WHICH IS VERY OLD. UM, AND IT USES AN OBSOLETE TECHNOLOGY LANGUAGE THAT IS, UH, VERY DIFFICULT TO FIND. AND SO, UH, EVEN IN A CLASSIFIED POSITION WITH THE ELIGIBLE LIST THAT WE HAVE, WE'RE NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE THAT WE'RE GOING TO FIND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, UM, IN THOSE CANDIDATES BECAUSE THE LANGUAGE IS SO OLD. UH, DID WE TRY, WE HAVE NOT YET. AND WE ARE WILLING TO UTILIZE THE ELIGIBLE LIST TO SEE, UM, THE CONCERN THAT WE HAVE IS THAT, UM, THIS IS A TEMPORARY, UH, TEMPORARY BEING RELATIVE OF COURSE, RIGHT? NINE YEARS IS NOT NECESSARILY TEMPORARY, BUT THIS IS A TEMPORARY POSITION. AND ONCE WE DO CONVERT OVER TO THE NEW SYSTEM, UM, THE EMPLOYEE, UH, THE, THE TE THE TECHNOLOGY WILL BE OBSOLETE. AND SO THE EMPLOYEE WILL BE OUT OF A JOB PER SE, AND WE DON'T WANNA HAVE TO, [00:25:01] UH, DO LAYOFFS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, UM, OR HAVE BUMPING RIGHTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, UM, FOR POSITIONS THAT THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO HANDLE BECAUSE AGAIN, THE TECHNOLOGY IS OLD, THE AN OBSOLETE, AND SO THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO TRANSITION TO THE NEW TECHNOLOGIES. UM, SO CAN I JUST ASK YOU A COUPLE QUESTIONS REGARDING THAT? I WILL DO MY BEST. I WILL BE HONEST THAT I AM THE ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER. I WORK ON THE HR SIDE. I'M NOT NECESSARILY TECHNOLOGIST UNDERSTAND, BUT I WILL ABSOLUTELY DO MY BEST. OKAY. SO, UM, FOR NINE YEARS, THIS HAS NOT BEEN ACCOMPLISHED AND I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU PUT IT ON HOLD. SO ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT CURRENTLY IN THE DEPARTMENT, THERE'S NO ONE THAT UNDERSTANDS THIS ARCHAIC LANGUAGE? THERE IS UHHUH. UM, WE HAVE ONE EMPLOYEE, UM, AS SAL HAD MENTIONED, WE HAD TWO EMPLOYEES. UH, ONE RETIRED IN DECEMBER OF 2020, UM, CAME BACK AS A RETIRED ANNUITANT, UM, WITH THE THOUGHT AND EXPECTATION THAT WE WOULD BE CONVERTING OVER UHHUH TO KIND OF HELP OUT. UM, HERE WE ARE FOUR YEARS LATER, STILL NOT THERE. UM, THIS EMPLOYEE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO RETIRE AND ENJOY THEIR RETIREMENT. RETIREMENT, AND WE WANT THEM TO DO THAT AS WELL. OKAY. WE DO HAVE ONE EMPLOYEE THAT IS STILL FULL-TIME. UM, THEY HAVE 17 YEARS OF SERVICE, UM, WITH THE CITY AND ARE OF RETIREMENT AGE AND POTENTIALLY COULD RETIRE AT ANY TIME. UM, AND THAT WOULD BE A HUGE LOSS TO THE CITY. AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO BRING ON ADDITIONAL STAFF IN ORDER TO HAVE THAT STOPGAP IN CASE SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPENS. AND TO ALLOW, I MEAN, TO HAVE A SINGLE EMPLOYEE, UM, DOING THIS WORK THAT LIMITS THEIR VACATION TIME, THE TIME THAT THEY CAN TAKE OFF. THAT'S RIGHT. UM, SO IT MINIMIZES THEIR WORK LIFE BALANCE AS WELL. AND WE DON'T WANNA BURN OUT OUR EMPLOYEES. AND I, I APPRECIATE THAT. SO THE CURRENT ELIGIBILITY LIST MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE A CANDIDATE THAT CAN MEET YOUR NEEDS, BUT WE HAVEN'T QUERIED TO SEE IF SOMEONE HAS THIS ARCHAIC LANGUAGE IN THEIR, ON THEIR RESUME OR IN, IN THE REPERTOIRE. AND THAT'S CORRECT. WE HAVEN'T AT THE, AT PRESENT WE HAVE NOT. OKAY. AND THEN WHEN WE HAVEN'T MADE THAT QUERY, WE ALSO HAVEN'T, UM, GIVEN SOMEONE THE OPPORTUNITY, UH, TO APPLY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT IS A TEMPORARY POSITION. CORRECT. AND WE COULD DO THAT. CORRECT. OKAY. YEAH. AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S ULTIMATELY WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO, UM, IS ALLOW THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPLY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT IS TEMPORARY, UM, A TEMPORARY POSITION. SO IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN DO FIRST BEFORE MOVING ON? UM, AND SELECTING SOMEONE FROM THE UNCLASSIFIED WHEN WE HAVE AN ELIGIBILITY LIST THAT WE CAN CALL VERY QUICKLY WITH A, WITH SOMEONE JUST MAKING SOME PHONE CALLS. DO YOU HAVE THIS LANGUAGE? ARE YOU INTERESTED IN A TEMPORARY POSITION? BECAUSE I THINK THEN IF WE WOULD'VE DONE THAT, WE MAY NOT HAVE, UM, AND EXCUSE ME FOR BRINGING YOUR NAME INTO IT, BUT YOU DID COME TO THE PODIUM, BUT WE PROBABLY WOULD NOT HAVE ANY FEEDBACK FROM ANYONE ELSE. THEY WOULD SAY, WELL, YOU DID THE BEST THAT YOU COULD. YOU'VE EXHAUSTED THE ELIGIBILITY LIST. THIS IS NOT ATTAINABLE. LET'S GO FORTH AND DO THE SECONDARY. I THINK IS THERE A REASON WHY WE COULDN'T MAKE THAT INTERMEDIATE STEP BEFORE GOING TO THE, TO THE FINAL OF GETTING SOMEONE FROM THE UNCLASSIFIED? DID I MAKE ANY SENSE? UM, YEAH. YOU DID. OKAY. AND, AND, UM, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF THE BEST WAY TO MAYBE WORK THIS OUT. THE CONCERN I THINK THAT THE DEPARTMENT HAS MORE IS, UM, IF THIS POSITION IS CLASSIFIED AND THEN THE PROJECT ENDS, THEY'RE STILL EMPLOYED, THEN WE HAVE LAYOFF, WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE LAYOFF PROCEDURES. RIGHT. WOULDN'T, WOULDN'T THAT BE NOT TO CUT YOU OFF? THAT'S, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. MY BRAIN IS OLD, SO I ASK QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS QUICKLY. BUT IF WE WERE TO, UM, RECRUIT THE PERSON KNOWING, AND THEY KNOW THAT IT'S A TEMPORARY POSITION, THEY SHOULD NOT, UM, BE UNDER ANY ILLUSIONS THAT THEY WERE STAYING. THEY KNEW WHEN THEY ACCEPTED THE POSITION THAT IT WAS TEMPORARY AND THEN THEY COULD APPLY FOR OTHER JOBS. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY THE LAYOFF WOULD COME UP IF YOU KNOW THAT YOU'RE ACCEPTING A TEMPORARY POSITION TO BEGIN WITH AND EDUCATE ME IF I'M WAY OFF COURSE. AND SO I I WILL LOOK TO CIVIL SERVICE ON THIS ONE. MY UNDERSTANDING IS WITH CLASSIFIED, WHEN THE POSITION'S OVER, UM, THAT IT, THAT WE WOULD WORK TOWARDS RELEASING THE EMPLOYEE AND THAT WOULD CAUSE LAYOFFS AND AN UNCLASSIFIED POSITION. WHEN THE POSITION IS OVER, WE WOULD RELEASE THE EMPLOYEE EITHER WAY, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY'RE CLASSIFIED OR UNCLASSIFIED. IF THEY ARE INTERESTED IN STAYING WITH THE CITY, WE WILL DO EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN. MM-HMM. TO ENSURE THAT THEY GET ON A LIST, THAT THEY HAVE A, A LANDING SPOT IF THAT IS THEIR DESIRE. GOT IT. UM, BUT ULTIMATELY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS THIS, UM, EXPERIENCE IN THIS, UM, TECHNOLOGY, THIS OLDER TECHNOLOGY THAT MANY DO NOT HAVE CURRENTLY, LIKE YOUNG [00:30:01] STUDENTS OUT OF COLLEGE ARE NOT GONNA HAVE THIS. RIGHT, RIGHT. NO, I GET IT. UNDERSTANDING. YEAH. IT'S LIKE ASKING SOMEONE TO HAVE FORTRAN, UM, OR COBOL. NO, I, I GET IT. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS COBOL. SO , OH, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR COBOL? MM-HMM. . OH, OH, OKAY. I GET IT. UM, ALRIGHT, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO IF I UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY, YOU DO NOT WANT TO MAKE THIS A POSITION CLASSIFIED EVEN WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT, UH, THE PRESIDENT, THE, THE SITUATIONAL, I'M SORRY, I'M NOT SPEAKING GOOD TODAY. EVEN IF YOU, WHEN YOU HIRE THEM, YOU TELL THEM THAT THERE IS A TEMPORARY POSITION. AGAIN, I'M GONNA LOOK TO CIVIL SERVICE. I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN HIRE FULL-TIME, TEMPORARY CLASSIFIED EMPLOYEES. I KNOW THAT THAT IS AN OPTION FOR PART-TIME. I DO NOT KNOW IF IT'S AN OPTION FOR, LET, LET ME RESTATE IT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S COMING OFF, UH, THE INCORRECT WAY. UM, THIS IS WHAT MY QUESTION IS. WE HAVE A CURRENT ELIGIBILITY LIST. MY REQUEST IS THAT WE CALL THAT LIST TO SEE IF SOMEONE HAS COLD BALL EXPERIENCE. UM, IF WE TELL THE PERSON THAT THIS POSITION IS FOR A LIMITED TERM, AND I'M WAITING FOR CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSIONER, UM, OUR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR TO CORRECT ME IF I'M INCORRECT, BUT IF THIS IS, IF THIS POSITION IS NOT A LASTING POSITION, ARE WE SAYING THAT WE CANNOT USE THE ELIGIBILITY LIST TO HIRE FROM THAT POSITION? ARE WE NOT ABLE TO USE THE LIST THAT WE HAVE FOR, EXCUSE ME, FOR A CLASSIFIED POSITION OR AN UN CLASSIFIED YES. YES. FOR HER OPEN POSITION. SHE SAYS, AND, AND EXCUSE ME, I DON'T MEAN TO SAY YOU, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE DEPARTMENT. THE DEPARTMENT STATES THAT THERE IS AN ELIGIBILITY LIST THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR SOMEONE THAT NEEDS ARCANE EXPERIENCE, WHICH IS COBOL. SO THAT WE'VE GOT THAT OUT. IF THERE IS SOMEONE ON THAT LIST THAT IS QUALIFIED, ARE WE NOT ABLE TO HIRE THAT PERSON WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT POSITION IS FOR A LIMITED TERM? WE DON'T HAVE LIMITED TERM. OKAY. SO WE ARE NOT ABLE TO HIRE FOR THAT POSITION. CORRECT. USING OUR, THEY WOULD BECOME A, THEY WOULD BECOME A CLASSIFIED EMPLOYEE WITH ALL THE RIGHTS OF A CLASSIFIED EMPLOYEE AND THEN THEY WOULD BE LAID OFF. CORRECT. OKAY. SO WE DON'T TELL THEM UPFRONT THAT THIS POSITION WOULD REQUIRE A LAYOFF. I I'M JUST ASKING. I DON'T, IT'S NOT BEEN MY EXPERIENCE THAT WE HAVE DONE THAT. OKAY. THAT WE EVER, THAT WE HAVE HIRED IN A, IN NO, I, I GET IT LIMITED TERM, SO NO, I GET IT. WE HAVE NOT TOLD EMPLOYEES THAT. OKAY. COULD I ADD SOMETHING? I, I KNOW THAT IN OUR ROLE WE HAVE TEMPORARY CLASSIFIED AND I THINK IT'S FOR NINE MONTHS. UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S STILL THAT, WHAT'S THE RATIONALE? HOW WE INTERPRET THE RULES? BECAUSE A TEMPORARY PERSON, THEY COULD ESSENTIALLY, UH, PASS PROBATION. OR MY QUESTION WOULD BE IF, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE PUTTING THEM IN AS A TEMPORARY, ARE THEY ACTUALLY ON PROBATION OR ARE THEY ACTUALLY TEMPORARY? SO I, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DO SOME BETTER CLARIFICATION WITH OUR RULES BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S THAT, UM, KIND OF A, A CONFLICT AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE RULE IS. BUT THERE IS A CLASSIFIED NINE MONTHS, AND THE WAY I'VE SEEN IT IN OTHER AREAS OF THE CIVIL SERVICE RULES IS LIKE, HMM. THAT TEMPORARY'S ACTUALLY GONNA PASS PROBATION AT SOME POINT. WELL, I, I HEAR FROM THE DEPARTMENT THOUGH, YOUR NEED IS LONG PAST NINE MONTHS. CORRECT. AND, UM, SO THAT WOULD NOT WORK FOR YOU BECAUSE THAT'S A NINE MONTH AND, AND WE'RE NOT GONNA KEEP COMING BACK AND ASKING FOR EXTENSIONS FOR SOMETHING WE OBVIOUSLY NEED, UH, ADDITIONAL TIME FOR, I I HAVE A, A QUESTION. GO AHEAD, MR. ASUNA. OH, SO, OR JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION FOR ME. UM, SO REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THIS WAS A CLASSIFIED OR UNCLASSIFIED POSITION, IT WOULD BE A TEMPORARY POSITION, RIGHT? UM, I'M, I'M JUST GONNA SAY WHAT I THINK PEOPLE ARE SCARED TO SAY, RIGHT? IS IT JUST EASIER WHEN WE GOTTA FIRE SOMEBODY IF THEY'RE NOT CLASSIFIED? IS THAT WHY WE WANT IT TO BE AN UNCLASSIFIED POSITION? LET'S JUST BE BRASS TACKS AND STRAIGHTFORWARD ABOUT THIS. IS THE PROCESS EASIER FOR US? BECAUSE WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LET THIS PERSON GO. THE PROJECT'S GONNA END WHETHER IT'S IN A YEAR, WHETHER IT'S IN NINE YEARS, BUT WE KNOW THAT. SO IS THAT WHY WE ARE DOING THIS SO THAT I HAVE A, A, A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF, OF WHY WE WOULD WANT TO NOT HAVE THIS AS, AS A CLASSIFIED POSITION? I UNDERSTAND IF THAT'S THE CASE, RIGHT? LIKE I WANT, AND SO I WANNA KNOW, DOES THAT, DOES THAT PUT US AT LESS RISK? IS IT EASIER FOR US [00:35:01] TO TERMINATE SOMEBODY IF THEY'RE NOT CLASSIFIED? WE'LL HAVE LESS PROBLEMS, THERE'S LESS RISK. IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING? IS THAT PART OF IT? IS THAT PART OF WHAT WE'RE FACTORING INTO MAKING THIS REQUEST? YEAH. THAT IS PART OF IT BECAUSE THEY'RE AT WILL. AND SO ONCE THE PROJECT IS OVER, UM, THEIR POSITION IS DONE VERSUS A CLASSIFIED EMPLOYEE THAT, UH, AGAIN, WE WOULD GO INTO LAYOFFS OR BUMPING RIGHTS AND HAVE TO FIND ANOTHER, THERE'S A, THE OTHER PROCESS, RIGHT? YES. RIGHT. OKAY. WELL THAT CUT TO THE QUICK THING. YEAH. THAT, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT MAKES IT VERY CLEAR FOR ME. THAT MAKES SENSE. MAKES SENSE. OKAY. AND IT'S, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S A GOOD THING OR A BAD THING, IT'S JUST THE REALITY OF WHERE WE'RE AT AND WHY WE'RE WANTING TO DO THIS. I STILL HAVE A BIG ISSUE WITH THIS, US LOOKING AT THIS AS A TEMPORARY, UH, POSITION BECAUSE THIS TELLS US THAT IN NINE YEARS WE HAVEN'T LEARNED THAT THIS IS PROBABLY NOT GONNA BE VERY TEMPORARY. RIGHT. AND WHO KNOWS, UM, WHEN WE DECIDE TO PUT THE NEW SYSTEM IN, IN TWO OR THREE YEARS, THAT SYSTEM MAY BECOME OBSOLETE. AND THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, UM, HIRE SOMEONE ELSE AND LAY THOSE FOLKS OFF THAT WE'RE WORKING ON OUR NEW SYSTEM AND ALL THAT STUFF. RIGHT? SO, UM, I JUST REALLY DO HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THIS BEING LOOKED AT AND IN SUCH A LIMITED WAY AS A TEMPORARY POSITION. MM-HMM. . RIGHT? MAYBE THERE'S THAT UNICORN OUT THERE THAT KNOWS COBALT AND THE NEW, UH, WHATEVER LANGUAGE THEY GOTTA PUT INTO THE COMPUTER, UH, IN OUR NEW SYSTEM. RIGHT? MAYBE THAT UNICORN'S THERE, RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW. BUT I DO THINK THAT IT'S PRETTY SILLY FOR US TO KEEP CALLING THIS TEMPORARY, UH, WHEN WE ARE NINE YEARS AND PROBABLY GONNA BE 12, 13, 14 YEARS INTO THIS. IT'S PRETTY SILLY. SO JUST LET'S PUT THAT SILLINESS ON THE RECORD. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. GO. UM, COMMISSIONER SUNNA JUST ASKED THE QUESTION THAT I WANTED TO GET OUT THERE, BUT, UM, I HAVE A PROBLEM THAT YOU BROUGHT THIS REQUEST TO US BEFORE YOU'D EVEN LOOKED AT THE, THE CURRENT LIST. 'CAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW. THERE MIGHT BE SOMEBODY ON THERE THAT ALREADY HAS WHAT YOU NEED. AND I'M FOREGOING FROM THE LIST FIRST BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT CLASSIFIED OR UNCLASSIFIED. UNDERSTOOD. AND EVEN IF IT WERE UNCLASSIFIED, EVEN IF IT DOES GET APPROVED AS UNCLASSIFIED, WE WOULD START WITH THE LIST. UM, AND, AND WE TALKED TO CHRISTINA ABOUT THAT LAST NIGHT AND WE ARE OPEN TO LOOKING AT THE ELIGIBLE LIST AND, AND DOING THAT. IT REALLY IS MORE THE, UM, CLASSIFICATION OF WHETHER IT'S CLASSIFIED OR UNCLASSIFIED THAT WE'RE SEEKING AT THIS TIME. YEAH. WELL, I, I UNDERSTAND YOUR, YOUR POSITION, BUT I JUST, I REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE FACT THAT YOU DIDN'T LOOK AT THE LIST BEFORE YOU CAME TO US. MM-HMM. . THAT, THAT'S MY PROBLEM. UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. WELL, UM, I THINK WE'VE ADDED A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION THAT THE COMMISSIONERS DIDN'T HAVE. SO IF I'M TO UNDERSTAND, WE ARE GOING TO USE THAT ELIGIBILITY LIST FIRST. WE OFFER TO THEM AS A RECRUITMENT TOOL. WE, AND WE OFFER TO EVERYBODY IF THEY'RE LOOKING FOR AN UNCLASSIFIED OR A TEMPORARY POSITION, WE HAVE A DATABASE OF CLASSIFIED EMPLOYEES THAT THEY CAN LOOK AT THOSE LISTS, BUT IT WAS NOT LOOKING AT THE LIST FOR A CLASSIFIED POSITION. THEY'RE ASKING SPECIFICALLY FOR AN UNCLASSIFIED POSITION. BUT WE, UM, OF IF MAINTENANCE ASSISTANT REFUSE OPERATOR, THERE ARE, THERE ARE NON-CAREER POSITIONS. WE OFTEN OFFER TO THE, TO HR WHO DOES THAT RECRUITMENT. YOU CAN USE OUR CLASSIFIED LIST. IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR TEMPORARY PEOPLE, BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY ON THE LIST, THEY COULD FLIP OVER TO A CLASSIFIED POSITION. SO THAT'S WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT. THERE'S A CANDIDATE POOL THERE FOR THEM TO LOOK AT, AND THEY SAID THEY WOULD LOOK AT THAT POOL. AGAIN, IT WAS FOR THE UNCLASSIFIED POSITION. AND I, I JUST NEED TO BE TRANSPARENT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I AM ON THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE OF THE LONG BEACH COAST. AND SO, UM, I KNOW INTIMATELY THE STRUGGLES WITH THIS. UM, THE CITY DID A VERY BOLD THING AND, UM, STOPPING WITH THE VENDOR THAT WE HAD SPENT FIVE, SIX YEARS ON. WHEN I CAME TO THE CITY, WE WERE USING A VENDOR THAT I HAD USED IN ANOTHER AGENCY, AND I THOUGHT, OH MY GOODNESS. UM, THIS CITY WAS BOLD AND SAID, WE'RE, IT'S NOT WORKING. CUT BAIT. WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA CUT BAIT. I RESPECT THAT. AND SO THAT, UM, WE GOT THE FINANCE PORTION GOING. UM, WE DID NOT GET THE HR PAYROLL PIECE GOING. AND SO THAT IS WHERE WE'RE CONTINUING WITH THE COBALT AND KEEPING THAT SY THAT LEGACY SYSTEM GOING. WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF LOOKING FOR A NEW VENDOR. AND AT THAT POINT THEN, UM, THEY WILL BE SWITCHING OVER. BUT, UM, THIS HAS BEEN A CHALLENGE. UM, AND SO I WAS QUITE HONESTLY SURPRISED THAT IT WAS [00:40:01] ONLY ONE POSITION THEY WERE ASKING FOR BECAUSE IN THE INITIAL REQUEST IN 2015, THEY ASKED FOR A DOZEN POSITIONS. MM-HMM. . SO IT IS REALLY THAT, THAT SINGLE POINT OF, OF FAILURE THAT I THINK THEY'RE LOOKING TO FILL. AND, AND I LIKEN YOU, YOU CALLED OUT COBALT, BUT IT'S LIKE SOMEBODY SPEAKS LATIN OR ARAMAIC. UM, HOW DO, AND AND WHERE IS THAT PERSON? UM, THEY'RE AT RETIREMENT AGE OR THEY ARE, THAT PERSON IS RETIRED, RIGHT? RIGHT. AND SO THEY'RE NOT REALLY WANTING TO COME AND START A CLASSIFIED CAREER. SO FOR THAT REASON, WE KNEW IT WAS UNUSUAL, BUT WE, IN TALKING TO THE DEPARTMENT SUPPORTED THAT ONE POSITION. AND ALSO, UM, BECAUSE THIS HAS COME UP, UM, A THE FORMER COM, A FORMER BODY OF COMMISSIONERS CREATED, UM, POLICY 1.81 THAT STATED, YOU NOW HAVE TO STATE HOW LONG IS THIS GOING TO BE FOR? SO THIS IS, YOU'RE, YOU'RE THE FIRST BODY TO HAVE A REQUEST COME BEFORE YOU THAT STATES THIS SPECIFIC TIME. AND WE PUT THAT IN THE, IN THE, UM, IN THE COMMISSION REPORT BECAUSE IT'S NOT LIKE IN PERPETUITY. RIGHT. AND SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE THAT AT A ONE YEAR PERIOD, YOU HAVE TO COME BACK AND GIVE US A PROGRESS REPORT. AND WHERE IS THIS PROJECT GOING? WHAT IS REALLY HAPPENING? DO YOU REALLY NEED THAT POSITION? YOU CAN SAY, NO, IT'S, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GONNA CONTINUE ON HIRE THAT PERSON THAT SPEAKS ARAMAIC PERMANENTLY KIND OF THING. SO, SO THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT WE HAVE PUT SOME BOUNDARIES ON THE REQUEST. MM-HMM. PRIOR REQUESTS, YOU GET UNCLASSIFIED. AND THERE IS NOT A TERM LIMIT ON, ON THAT REQUEST. SO I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT LITTLE PIECE. I APPRECIATE THAT CLARIFICATION AND THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. IT REALLY HELPS THE COMMISSIONERS MAKE A GOOD DECISION. UM, WE'RE NOT HERE TO STIFLE THE BUSINESS OF THE CITY. WE'RE HERE TO SUPPORT THE BUSINESS OF THE CITY. AND, UM, I UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGES WITH TECHNOLOGY. I'VE WORKED ON MULTIPLE CONVERSIONS AND EVERY BIT OF IT HAS TO BE AUDITED. I GET THAT. AND YOU DO NOT, UM, FOR THE NOVICE, YOU DO NOT TURN OFF A SWITCH AND FLIP ANOTHER ON. THAT'S NOT HOW A CONVERSION WORKS, ESPECIALLY WITH LARGE, VAST AMOUNTS OF DATA. UM, SO, UH, WE, WE ARE NOT TRYING TO STAND IN YOUR WAY, BUT WE ARE SIMPLY SAYING THAT YOU'VE KNOWN FOR NINE YEARS THAT YOU'VE NEEDED SOMEONE, UH, THAT'S VERSED IN THE LANGUAGE OF COBALT AND CHRISTINA'S. RIGHT. THE LIKELIHOOD OF YOU GETTING SOMEONE COMING OUTTA SCHOOL IS NEXT TO NIL. IT'S AN ARCHAIC LANGUAGE. NO ONE'S GOING TO TEACH THAT ANYMORE. UM, I DON'T HAVE TIME TO GIVE YOU MY RESUME, OR I WOULD COME AND FILL THAT SPOT FOR YOU. . SO , WE WOULD GLADLY TAKE YOU . SO, BECAUSE WE CANNOT HELP T YOU WERE UNICORN, WE WERE LOOKING FOR IT'S ONLY PART-TIME, PART-TIME. IT'S TEMPORARY. OKAY. AND WE ARE CLEAR THAT THIS IS FOR A LIMITED TIME. YES. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. CAN I ASK ONE MORE? YES. QUESTION FOR CLARITY. AND, AND WHOEVER CAN ANSWER THIS FOR ME SO THAT I HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING. UM, 'CAUSE I WANT, I WANT TO GO IN A CERTAIN DIRECTION. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. SO IF THIS, IF THIS, UH, RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVED, RIGHT? WE, WE GRANT THIS, I DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE I'M ONLY SPEAKING FOR MYSELF. UM, YOU ARE THEN ABLE TO GO TO THE ELIGIBLE LIST AND IF YOU FIND A CANDIDATE THERE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE THEN ABLE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION. THE DEPARTMENT'S ABLE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THAT PERSON TO SEE IF THEY WANNA APPLY FOR THE TEMPORARY POSITION, KNOWING THAT IT'S A TEMPORARY AND UNCLASSIFIED. I IS, IS IS, IS THAT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE MAKE THE ELIGIBLE LIST AVAILABLE TO HR FOR UNCLASSIFIED POSITIONS? YES. OKAY. AND WE ONLY, AND WE GIVE IT TO THOSE ON THE APPLICATION. UM, APPLICANTS CAN SAY IF THEY'RE INTERESTED IN THAT TYPE OF WORK, AND SO WE SCREEN FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE HAVE SAID YES BECAUSE MAYBE SO YOU PROMISE YOU'RE GONNA GO BACK TO THAT LIST AND LOOK TO SEE IF YOU FIND THE UNICORN? ABSOLUTELY. WE ARE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR A UNICORN. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. 'CAUSE THAT'S, I WOULD HATE TO BECAUSE THERE MIGHT BE SOMEBODY ON THAT LIST THAT SAYS, I'M COOL WITH TEMPORARY, OR MAYBE STRATEGICALLY THIS IS MY WAY IN AND, AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT, RIGHT? SO I ALSO DON'T WANT TO TAKE THAT OPPORTUNITY AWAY OR DELAY IT OR WHATEVER. BUT I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR, CLEAR THAT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT HAPPENED. WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU GIVE OUR ELIGIBLE LIST TO HR SO THAT THEY CAN THEN TRY TO RECRUIT OR INFORM PEOPLE AT LEAST, UM, AS TO UNCLASSIFIED POSITIONS THAT ARE AVAILABLE. AND IF THEY WANT TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD AND APPLY FOR THOSE, THEY CAN. YES, THAT'S CORRECT. [00:45:01] AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE WANT AS COMMISSIONERS. WE'RE, WE'RE SEEING STAFF GO THROUGH SO MUCH WORK, UH, TO BUILD THESE ELIGIBILITY LISTS AND WE WANT THEM USED. UM, IT, IT DOESN'T HURT, UH, ACROSS THE AISLE FOR US TO MAKE USE OF THOSE LISTS. IT CUTS DOWN THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT YOU HAVE TO DO. UM, OKAY. IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ANY, ANY, I JUST GO AHEAD. I, I THINK THIS MOTION, THIS, THIS AGENDA ITEM IS PREMATURE BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH THE ELIGIBILITY YES. YET, I MEAN, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WOULD BE YOUR FIRST MOVE. YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE WHO'VE ALREADY TESTED ALMOST READY TO GO, WHEREAS IF YOU GO FOR THIS UNCLASSIFIED, WON'T YOU HAVE TO GO FROM SCRATCH? WE WOULDN'T, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO. WE WOULD START WITH THE ELIGIBILITY LIST, BUT I'M SAYING, BUT YOU COULD HAVE CAME TO US AND SAID, WE'VE WENT THROUGH THE ELIGIBILITY LIST. THERE IS NO ONE THAT HAS THE SKILLS THAT WE NEED, THEREFORE WE NEED TO GO TO A NON-CLASSIFIED POSITION. OR CONVERSELY, UH, YOU HAVE SOMEONE ON THE LIST WHO DOES HAVE THE QUALIFICATIONS. WE'VE TALKED TO THEM AND THEY SAID THEY'RE WILLING TO ACCEPT A LIMITED, UH, LENGTH OF TIME EMPLOYMENT. UH, AND THEN WOULD BE NO PROBLEM. I WOULD HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THAT AT ALL EITHER, EITHER WAY. SO COMMISSIONER LOVE, UM, THE DEPARTMENT HAS STATED THAT THEY WILL GO AHEAD AND CALL THAT LIST, UM, AND THEY'LL DO THAT, UH, AND THEN FOLLOW THROUGH. YOU'LL KEEP CHRISTINA UPDATED. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING? UH, WOULD, WOULD THAT BE OKAY IF THEY WERE TO CALL THE LIST, GO BACK, UH, TO CHRISTINA, LET THEM KNOW WHAT'S COME OF IT BEFORE THEY PROCEED, UH, TO UNCLASSIFIED? UM, OR ARE YOU, ARE YOU ASKING FOR THEM TO DO THAT BEFORE COMING TO THE DIOCESE? I WOULD LIKE THAT, YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. THE REQUEST, THOUGH, ULTIMATELY IS FOR AN UNCLASSIFIED POSITION. I UNDERSTAND. REGARDLESS OF WHETHER WE USE THE LIST OR NOT. YES, MA'AM. I GET THAT. I GET THAT. OKAY. WE UNDERSTAND THAT. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO, UM, MEET YOUR NEEDS AND THE COMMISSIONERS AS WELL. OKAY. UM, THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION. DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, COMMISSIONER? I'M GOOD. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION FROM STAFF? SO, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THEN WE'LL CALL FOR A VOTE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. WE ARE ON TO ITEM 10. THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE A QUARTERLY UPDATE. YES. AND SO, UM, AS I, AS I BEGAN IN THE FIRST QUARTER OF TELLING YOU ABOUT ALL THE FANTASTIC WORK, YOU SEE IT MEETING BY MEETING. YES. BUT I WANT YOU TO SEE IT IN THE AGGREGATE. AND SO, UM, OUR SECOND QUARTER RESULTS, UM, REFLECT [10. 24-54026 Recommendation to receive and file – Quarterly Update.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation.  ] 68 NEW ELIGIBLE LIST, UM, 1600, OVER 1600 CANDIDATES TOUCHING 13 DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, WHICH IN THE FIRST HALF OF THE YEAR. THEN, UH, THE FIRST TWO QUARTERS GIVES US 142 ELIGIBLE LISTS AND 3030 CANDIDATES THAT ARE SPREAD ACROSS A VARIETY OF CLASSIFICATIONS SO THAT DEPARTMENTS CAN HAVE ACCESS TO ALL OF THOSE CANDIDATES. SO YES, IN YOUR PREVIOUS COMMENTS ABOUT WE DO A LOT OF WORK AND WE WANT DEPARTMENTS TO USE THOSE LISTS, AND, AND HERE IS AN EXAMPLE OF ALL THESE LISTS THAT ARE GOING OUT. UM, THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT, UM, FIRE RECRUIT WAS YOU JUST APPROVED THAT LIST LAST WEEK. THAT'S THE HIGHLIGHT FOR THIS QUARTER. UM, THERE WAS A TOTAL OF A HUN 1,286 APPLICANTS AND ULTIMATELY 744 CANDIDATES ON THE LIST. WOW. SO, UM, WHILE THAT MAY SEEM A LOT, IT IS SMALLER, UM, THAN WE ARE TYPICALLY USED TO. UM, AND AGAIN, IT'S REFLECTIVE OF THE HIRING THAT'S GOING ON, UH, OR THE, THE RECRUITING AND CANDIDATE NATIONWIDE EXPERIENCE. YEAH. NATIONWIDE. BUT, UM, TO THAT POINT, THIS, THIS TIME, WE ACTUALLY DID A NON-COMPETITIVE. THE DEPARTMENT WILL GET ALL OF THOSE NAMES AND BE ABLE TO, UM, EFFECTIVELY CALL THROUGH ALL THE CANDIDATES. SO WE'RE REALLY, UM, PROUD TO HAVE COLLABORATED WITH THE DEPARTMENT, UM, TO MEET THEIR NEEDS AS WELL. SO, UM, JUST WANTED TO THANK STAFF AND GIVE YOU THE QUICK UPDATE OF HOW WE'RE DOING IN THE SECOND QUARTER. UM, CHRISTINA, THIS IS A, A VOLUMOUS AMOUNT OF WORK, [00:50:01] AND SO I WANNA ALWAYS LET YOU AND THE DEPARTMENT KNOW THAT, UH, THE THREE PEOPLE SITTING UP HERE, UH, TODAY, WE'RE WORKERS. WE'VE WORKED ALL OF OUR LIVES. UH, SO WE UNDERSTAND WHAT HARD WORK IS. UM, AND BEFORE I BECAME AN EXECUTIVE, I WORKED HARD , UH, SO I RECOGNIZED THE WORK THAT THE DEPARTMENT PUTS IN. I JUST WANT TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT I SAY THIS, AND THIS COMES FROM MY HEART. SELF-CARE IS IMPORTANT. SELF-CARE IS IMPORTANT. AND SO, WHILE OUR DEPARTMENT IS UNDERSTAFFED, GROSSLY UNDERSTAFFED, I NEED YOU ALL TO SELF-CARE. TAKE CARE OF YOURSELVES FIRST. UM, WHEN YOU GET ON AN AIRPLANE, YOU KNOW WHAT THEY TELL YOU. THEY SAY, IF THERE'S AN EMERGENCY TO PUT ON YOUR OXYGEN MASK FIRST. SO I'M CAUTIONING YOU ONCE AGAIN, STAFF, ALL OF YOU, INCLUDING YOU, CHRISTINA. SELF-CARE IS IMPORTANT. YOUR MENTAL HEALTH IS IMPORTANT. IT'S IMPORTANT TO YOU, IT'S IMPORTANT TO ME. TAKE CARE OF SELF. AND THAT'S AN ORDER FOR ALL OF YOU AT THE END OF THE DAY. AND I TELL YOU FROM MY OWN EXPERIENCE, I'M, I'M GOING TO LECTURE YOU RIGHT NOW. AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHEN YOU RETIRE, SOMEONE ELSE IS GOING TO TAKE THAT SEAT. THE PLACE IS NOT GOING TO BURN DOWN BECAUSE YOU'RE NO LONGER IN IT. AND BUSINESS WILL GO ON. I HAD TO LEARN THAT THE HARD WAY. SO I'M TELLING YOU, TAKE CARE OF YOURSELVES AND TAKE CARE OF YOUR FAMILIES. THIS IS YOUR EMPLOYMENT AND THAT'S ALL THAT IT IS YOUR FAMILY. AND YOU COME FIRST. AND I WANT YOU TO BE, I JUST WANT YOU TO BE CAUTIOUS OF THAT. AND REMEMBER THAT YOU ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT ASSET TO YOURSELVES AND TO THE CITY AND TO THE COMMUNITY. SO YOU'VE GOTTA TAKE CARE OF YOURSELVES FIRST. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO DO THAT. THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE IT. WE'RE WAITING FOR A VOTE TO RECEIVE THAT. THANK YOU. MOTION CARRIES. WE'RE ON TO ITEM 11. THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE THE PRESENTATION FROM RECRUITMENT AND OUTREACH DIVISION. AND THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE CITY OF LONG BEACH CAREER FAIR. I, YOU GUYS THREW DOWN VERY EXCITING. WAITING FOR YOUR SECOND, YEAH. . YEAH, WE GOT IT. THERE YOU GO. [11. 24-54027 Recommendation to receive and file presentation from Recruitment and Outreach Division – City of Long Beach Career Fair.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] UM, THIS IS VERY EXCITING. UM, WE WANTED LAURA TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT, SHE PLANNED THIS FOR A LONG TIME AND, UM, IT WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL AND WE THOUGHT WE'D SHARE THAT SUCCESS WITH YOU THIS MORNING. WE APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. HI, GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. UH, MY NAME IS LAURA BIAS. I'M THE, UM, PERSONAL ANALYST FOR RECOMMENDED OUTREACH. UH, YES, I'M VERY EXCITED TO COME TO YOU AND, AND GIVE YOU THIS REPORT. THIS CAREER FAIR HAS BEEN, UM, VERY SUCCESSFUL. I, I BELIEVE THE NUMBERS THAT WE HAVE HERE, UH, WILL SAY THAT, UM, THIS IS A CLICKER. UM, GREAT. SO WE HAVE AN AGENDA, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WILL LET YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT THE, THE FAIR WAS AND PARTICIPATE IN DEPARTMENTS AND, YOU KNOW, OTHER INFORMATION AND WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THIS AS WELL. SO THE CAREER FAIR GOAL IS FOR US TO BRING THE OPPORTUNITY TO ALL OF OUR, OUR RESIDENTS IN LONG BEACH AND BEYOND THAT, UH, AND YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY ALSO FOR THE LONG BEACH CITY COLLEGE STUDENTS TO COME AND HAVE ACCESS TO OUR DEPARTMENTS AND, AND, AND, AND SEE WHAT WE ARE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE THAT CONTACT, THAT PERSONAL, UM, INTERACTION WITH EACH ONE OF OUR DEPARTMENTS AND SEE WHAT THEY, THEY REALLY DO. UM, THE GOAL IS TO FILL THE VACANCIES. SO WE GET 'EM EXCITED ABOUT THE, THE WORK THAT THEY DO, THE DEMONSTRATIONS, THE UNIFORMS, EVERYTHING THAT THEY SAW AT THAT JOB FAIR. AND HOPEFULLY THEY'LL COME IN AND APPLY FOR THE JOB. WE HAVE THIS COLLABORATION WITH LONG BEACH CITY COLLEGE. OUR COMMISSIONER, JO JOHN, UH, JOIN JOHN GARCIA CONNECTED US WITH, UH, WITH, WITH THE LVCC, UM, EMPLOYMENT DEVELOPMENT TEAM. AND THAT'S HOW THIS WAS BORN. AND WE HAVE, BOTH OF US HAVE A VESTED IN, IN INTEREST IN THIS, IN THIS JOB FAIR. WE WANT TO FILL OUR VACANCIES. THEY WANT TO EMPLOY THEIR, THEIR STUDENTS OR ALUMNI. SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE, UM, CAME TO, TO SAY, THIS IS A GOOD IDEA, LET'S DO IT. UM, WE HAD THE PARTICIPANT [00:55:01] IN DEPARTMENTS, THANK YOU, EVERYONE THAT IS HERE. UH, I, YOU KNOW, WE, WE TRY TO INVOLVE EVERYONE IN THE CITY. WE, LUCKILY, WE HAD 15 DEPARTMENTS THAT WERE WILLING AND COMING AND CAME TO OUR, OUR, OUR FAIR AND MADE IT VERY SUCCESSFUL. WE HAD, OF COURSE, UH, THE CIVIL SERVICE DEPARTMENT, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, DISASTER PREPAREDNESS, 9 1 1 DISPATCHERS, UH, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HARBOR, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AIRPORT, HUMAN RESOURCES, THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, THE LIBRARY, UH, PUBLIC WORKS. WE ALSO HAD UTILITIES, FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT, THE VERY FIRST JOB, FAIR PARKS AND RECREATION AND MARINE. THEY WERE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. WE ALSO HAD EDD AS A SPECIAL GUEST. THEY WERE, THEY'RE PARTNERS WITH US AT PACIFIC GATEWAY. SO THEY, THEY CAME AND, AND, AND OFFERED SOME SERVICES FOR US FOR VETERANS. UM, WE HAD A WORKSHOP. THIS IS THE, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO OFFER TO ALL OF THE ATTENDEES. WE HAVE THE WORKSHOPS TO INFORM THEM THE PROCESS OF WHAT WE DO, UM, WHEN WE, WHEN WE DO THE HIRING PROCESS, YOU KNOW, WHAT, HOW IS IT WORK, WHAT TO EXPECT, YOU KNOW, THE STEPS TO TAKE. AND, AND OF COURSE, SOME TIPS ON HOW TO SUBMIT THAT APPLICATION SO IT CAN ACTUALLY MOVE TO THE, THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE PROCESS. UM, WE ALSO WANT TO TIFY THE, THE, THE NOTIONS THAT WE ARE, UH, WE HAVE PREFERENCES FOR, FOR FAMILY, YOU KNOW, NEPOTISM, LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY, BUT WE TELL 'EM THAT THIS IS NOT LIKE THAT. WE, WE GO THROUGH A PROCESS AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY HAS A FAIR CHANCE AT THIS JOB OPPORTUNITY AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. WE, UH, I WAS VERY PLEASED AND, AND I WAS VERY SURPRISED THAT THEY, UM, WE HAD A, A VERY LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE ALREADY ASKING QUESTIONS, WHAT ABOUT MY APPLICATION? I DID THIS AND DIDN'T HAPPEN THE WAY YOU'RE EXPLAINING IT. SO THAT WAS ENCOURAGING FOR US TO HEAR THAT PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY ALREADY ENGAGING AND THEY, THEY ALREADY HAVING, UH, ALL THESE QUESTIONS ABOUT THEIR APPLICATIONS. AND, AND THAT WAS NOT JUST ONE APPLICATION, THAT WAS SEVERAL THAT HAD SUBMITTED ANOTHER HIGHLIGHT OF OUR, OUR JOB, UH, OUR JOB FAIR WAS TO THE LAB STATION, THE LAPTOP STATION. WE, WE INCORPORATED MORE TECHNOLOGY THIS TIME. UM, WE STARTED LAST WEEK WITH TWO LA LAST WEEK, LAST LAST YEAR, LAST, UH, NOVEMBER WITH TWO, UH, LAPTOPS. SO PEOPLE ATTENDING WILL HAVE ACCESS TO, YOU KNOW, APPLYING OR MAYBE LOOKING AT THE, THE WEBSITE OR MAYBE SUBMITTING A, AN INTEREST CARD. THEN OUR HARVARD DEPARTMENT, WHEN WE, WHEN WE, UM, WERE I GUESS IN THEIR, UH, OPEN HOUSE, THEY HAD MORE, MORE COMPUTERS AND WE SAW THE EFFECTS ON PEOPLE WERE APPLYING OR JUST THE, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, THE INTEREST CARD. AND THEN WE THOUGHT, WELL, MAYBE WE CAN BRING THOSE BACK. AND, UH, THANKFULLY ONE OF OUR OWN, UH, ROBERT, HE SUGGESTED WE CAN ASK FOR LOANERS. SO WE ASKED FOR SIX COMPUTERS, AND WE ACTUALLY SET UP A, A STATION WHERE IT WAS FULL. THERE WAS NOT A MINUTE. THAT WAS NOT, THAT WAS A CHAIR EMPTY. SO THAT WAS A VERY, VERY EXCITING THING FOR US TO, TO HAVE AND SEE HOW GREAT THE NEED WAS TO, FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE ACCESS, JUST TO, TO WALK AWAY WITH SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S NOT A PIECE OF PAPER, TO WALK AWAY WITH AN EMAIL. I GOT, YOU KNOW, I GOT SOMEWHERE, AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, TIDI WAS EXCITED ABOUT THIS. THEY, THEY CAME TO LVCC, THEY SET UP AND THEY PROGRAM, AND THEN THEY CLEANED UP. SO ALL I, YOU KNOW, ALL WE HAD TO DO IS REQUEST IT. SO THAT WAS A, A VERY GOOD THING, GOOD COLLABORATION FROM THEM, AND I AM VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THAT. UM, WE HAD, OF COURSE, IT WAS NOT, UH, A ONE, YOU KNOW, ONE MAN SHOW HERE. IT WAS, UH, WE HAD THE COMMUNICATIONS TEAM. THEY, THEY HELPED US OUT WITH THE, THE PROMOTION OF THIS JOB FAIR WITH ALL THE SOCIAL MEDIA, UH, WITH THE CALENDARS, WITH, UH, POSTING A LINKEDIN LV ANYWHERE THAT WE CAN, UH, PROMOTE THIS, THIS JOB FAIR. THEY HELPED US OUT. TALENT ACQUISITION ALSO, UH, HUMAN RESOURCES HELPS US WITH SOME OF THE DESIGN OF, OF SOCIAL MEDIA. AND ALSO CAPTURING THE MOMENTS WHEN WE WERE OUT THERE AND SENDING IT BACK TO COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT WITH THE CITY, UM, MANAGERS, COMMUNICATION, UM, TEAM, AND OF COURSE TECHNOLOGY. YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY WERE AWESOME TO, TO BRING THIS TO US. AND, AND, YOU KNOW, NOT, NOT TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, ME OR ANYONE ELSE, UH, PROGRAMMING THIS THINGS, BECAUSE THAT WAS THE EXPECTATION THAT I WAS JUST GONNA SET UP ALL THESE COMPUTERS. BUT THEY DID IT ALL. THEY, THEY DID IT ALL. SO THAT WAS A GREAT THING. UM, WE HAD, UM, MARKETING, UM, OR I TOOK THAT OUT, BUT THE MARKETING WAS, YOU KNOW, VERY, UH, EXCITING. YOU KNOW, LIKE, UH, WE STARTED EARLY AND, AND THANKFULLY WE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE WE HAD, UM, IN COLLABORATION WITH LVCC. THEY, THEY WERE ABLE TO GIVE US THE NUMBERS OF, UM, 357 PEOPLE AS A, AS OF THAT MORNING HAD A VP OUT OF THOSE 283 PEOPLE, UH, SIGN IN. WE USE A QR CODE FOR [01:00:01] EVERYBODY TO SIGN IN. SO WE HAD EVERYBODY'S NAME AND EMAIL ADDRESS ON THE LIST, AND 32 OF THOSE ATTENDED THE WORKSHOP. WE HAD ROOM FOR 25 PEOPLE. WE PACKED UP THE PLACE. SO THAT WAS A VERY GOOD THING THAT WE HAD A, A, A ROOM FOR FOR THAT. IT WAS STANDING ROOM ALSO. UM, WE HAD, UM, OUR WORKFORCE, 13 CIVIL SERVICE STAFF. THANK YOU, EVERYONE, UH, AT THE DEPARTMENT. THEY ALL COLLABORATED. ONCE EVERYTHING WAS, UH, SAID, EVERYBODY SAID, I'LL, I'LL HELP. AND WE HAD, IT WAS A GREAT HELP BECAUSE IT WOULD'VE BEEN JUST, UH, THREE OF US, YOU KNOW, DURING THIS JOB FAIR. BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY CAME IN AND, AND DID SOMETHING. THEY JUST TOOK A, A PLACE. AND, AND THAT WAS A VERY, VERY GOOD THING THAT, UH, THAT I'M GRATEFUL FOR, FOR MY TEAM TO, TO HAVE BEEN THERE OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW. , WE HAD 15 DEPARTMENTS PARTICIPATED, UH, 35 CITY STAFF FROM ALL THOSE 15 DEPARTMENTS, NOT INCLUDING US. AND, UH, LBCC HAD FIVE PEOPLE AT THE, AT THEIR TABLE ALSO, UM, HELPING US WITH, WITH THIS, UH, JOB FAIR. WE, UM, WE HAD 151 JOB INTEREST CARDS AS OF AT THE END OF THAT DAY THAT WAS SUBMITTED. SO WHETHER IT WAS, UH, ONE PERSON SUBMITTING FIVE 10, OR IT WAS JUST ONE PERSON, WE HAD AT LEAST, UH, 1 51, UM, UM, INTEREST CARDS, WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS. WE WILL JUST, UH, HAVE NEO GOV TELL US. BUT I AM HAPPY TO COME AND, AND GIVE YOU AN UPDATE THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE 66 PEOPLE APPLIED. OUT OF THOSE 283 PEOPLE THAT ATTENDED, THAT'S 23% OF ATTENDEES AND 15 PEOPLE OUT OF THOSE QUALIFY FOR A JOB, WHETHER IT'S A CLASSIFIED OR UNCLASSIFIED JOB. THEY, THEY ARE SOMEWHERE IN THE PIPELINE GETTING, UM, SCREENED, UM, YOU KNOW, INTERVIEWED HOPEFULLY HIRED THAT I DON'T KNOW YET, BUT I WILL BE KEEPING MY EYE ON THAT. UM, MOVING FORWARD, WORKSHOPS, YOU KNOW, ARE VERY VALUABLE. SO WE ARE THINKING ABOUT, UM, INCORPORATING ONE BEFORE THE JOB FAIR. SO WE HAVE, UH, UM, A VENUE FOR US AT, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST A COUPLE HOURS. WE'LL, WE'LL DO THAT BECAUSE WE SEE HOW VALUABLE THAT IS FOR, FOR THE COMMUNITY. ALSO, ADD MORE COMPUTERS. SINCE THAT WAS A HIT FOR US AT THE, AT THE JOB FAIR, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE BRING AT LEAST 10, MAYBE MORE, DEPENDING ON WHAT, UH, TECHNOLOGY AND INNOVATION TELL, YOU KNOW, LET US BORROW. BUT THAT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT FOR SURE WILL BE INCORPORATED IN THE NEXT, IN THE NEXT JOB FAIR. UM, AND JUST, UH, FOLLOWING UP WITH OUR, WITH OUR, UM, WHAT PEOPLE THAT ARE SVP TELLING THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE WHAT'S COMING UP, WHAT ARE JOB OPPORTUNITIES, ENGAGING WITH THEM BEFORE THE JOB FAIR SO THEY KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT. AND, UM, AT THE SAME, IN THE SAME TOKEN, JUST FOLLOWING UP WITH THEM AND, AND SAYING, THANK YOU. HERE'S MORE JOB OPPORTUNITIES. WHAT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING THAT WE CAN JUST, UH, ENGAGE WITH THEM. AND, UH, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE, THE LIST THAT WE CREATED WITH THE QR CODE HAS HELPED US, YOU KNOW, TO SEE THOSE NUMBERS. OTHERWISE, WE WILL NOT KNOW THIS NUMBERS IF THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT NEO GO ATTRACT HAS DONE, UH, FOR US, FOR THIS CHAPTER FAIR. SO THAT WAS VERY GOOD TO KNOW. THE, THE FINAL NUMBERS, AND HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOMETHING IN NOVEMBER, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT AT DATES, MAYBE AT THE END OF OCTOBER. BUT WE HAVE TO, TO LOOK AT, UH, LVCC, THEY ALREADY REACH OUT TO, TO US AND SAY, WHEN IS THE NEXT ONE? SO WE JUST HAD A LITTLE BREAK AND YES, WE, WE ARE EXCITED. I'M EXCITED TO CONTINUE WITH THE NEXT ONE AND, UM, WE HOPEFULLY BRING MORE THAN, UM, YOU KNOW, 283 PEOPLE. LAST YEAR WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE BECAUSE WE HAD THE WHOLE DAY. THIS TIME WAS HALF OF THAT TIME. SO I THINK WE DID PRETTY GOOD. THANK YOU. UM, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR A VERY, VERY GOOD REPORT. UM, LONG BEACH CITY COLLEGE. I'M A GRADUATE OF LONG BEACH CITY COLLEGE. UM, AND I AM VERY, VERY HAPPY THAT THE CITY OF LONG BEACH HAS PARTNERED WITH LONG BEACH CITY COLLEGE. THERE IS AN INVALUABLE, VALUABLE MINEFIELD OVER THERE OF PEOPLE WHO WANT JOBS. AND SO THE FACT THAT YOU'RE GOING OVER AND, AND ALLOWING PEOPLE TO FIND OUT ABOUT US AHEAD OF TIME BEFORE THEY GRADUATE, THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. UM, SO THE WORK THAT THE CITY IS DOING, UH, THIS IS NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART, UM, LONG BEACH CITY COLLEGE IS, HAS BROUGHT BACK THE TRADES. THEY'RE ALL ABOUT GETTING PEOPLE TO WORK AND NO BETTER PLACE THAN THE CITY OF LONG BEACH. YEAH. SO I BELIEVE IN CULTIVATING OUR OWN GARDENS, PICKING OUR OWN ROSES, AND I APPRECIATE, UH, CIVIL SERVICE FOR DOING JUST THAT ALONG WITH THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS. IT'S NOT JUST CIVIL SERVICE, IT'S ALL OF OUR DEPARTMENTS. YES. AND SO THERE'S A BIG SHOUT OUT TO THE CITY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. YEAH, YOU'RE WELCOME, COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU, LAURA. UM, JUST WANNA THANK ALL THE DEPARTMENTS, UH, ESPECIALLY OUR DEPARTMENT, AND I'M REALLY GRATEFUL TO TECHNOLOGY AND INNOVATION [01:05:01] FOR BEING SO SUPPORTIVE OF THE TEAM AND MAKING THINGS, UH, REALLY EASY, UH, FOR, FOR Y'ALL TO BE ABLE TO DO YOUR JOBS AND, AND CONNECTING FOLKS TO JOB OPPORTUNITIES WITH THE CITY. UM, SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO YOU ALL CONTINUING TO DO THIS WORK. UH, BUT BE KUDOS. I'M REALLY GRATEFUL FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU ALL ARE DOING, UM, AND ALL THE DEPARTMENTS, I'M REALLY GRATEFUL THAT THEY SHOWED UP FOR, FOR, FOR YOU AND FOR US AND FOR THE COMMUNITY TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE AWARE OF THE OPPORTUNITIES WE HAVE FOR THEMSELVES. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. I, YOU GUYS ARE THE BOMB . YOU REALLY ARE. YOU ARE. I MEAN, YOU GUYS ARE WORKING UNDERSTAFFED. YOU'RE STILL INNOVATIVE. YOU, YOU GUYS ARE NOT JUST SITTING ON YOUR HANDS. YOU GUYS ARE REALLY GOOD. I, I AM PROUD TO SAY THAT I'M A COMMISSIONER FOR CIVIL SERVICE HERE. HERE. THANK YOU. REALLY. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. GO AHEAD AND YEAH, I THINK WE CAN DO THAT. . VERY WELL DONE. ALL RIGHT. I'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL FOR THE VOTE TO RECEIVE. THANK YOU. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THIS IS ITEM 12. UM, THIS IS GOING TO ITEM 12, MR. UNA. SO IF YOU JUST READ THE RECOMMENDATION. YES. UM, RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE PROTEST OF EXAMINATION ITEMS. AND THIS IS FOR THE ADMINISTRATIVE ANALYST, UH, VICE PRESIDENT UNA, UH, HEARD THIS. SO LET YOU ALL GO ON. I THINK WE ALREADY MOVED AND SECONDED ON [12. 24-54028 Recommendation to approve protest of examination item(s) – Administrative Analyst.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] THIS, SO IT'S WAITING FOR YOU. DO WE NEED TO, SO YOU'RE, SO THE SUBCOMMITTEE MET PRIOR TO THIS MEETING, REVIEWED IT WITH THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS AND THE SUBCOMMITTEE IS ASKING THE, UM, FULL BODY TO APPROVE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. I WOULD ASK THE, THE FULL BODY TO ACCEPT THE RECOMMENDATIONS MADE BY STAFF. SO MOVED. PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. JUST TO BE CLEAR, WHAT IS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION THOUGH? TO DENY BOTH PROTEST. OKAY. SO TO MAKE IT CLEAR ON THE RECORD, IT'S FINE. I APPRECIATE THAT, GARY. I MISSED THAT. THANK YOU. MOTION CARRIES. ITEM 13. THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE REPORTS FROM CIVIL SERVICE MANAGERS. OKAY. AND QUICKLY WE WILL GO THROUGH OUR MANAGERS. MARIA, GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. IT'S, UM, MY, UM, UPDATE IS GONNA BE PRETTY, UH, SHORT. IT'S ALL GONNA BE ON THE FISCAL YEAR 2025. I WANNA [13. 24-54029 Recommendation to receive and file reports from the Civil Service Managers.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] START BY STATING THAT THE CITY MANAGER SUBMITTED PROPOSED BUDGET ON JULY 3RD. AND THEN THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE THAT THERE WILL BE SPECIAL MEETINGS JULY THROUGH SEPTEMBER. AND THEN THE, THE DATE THAT I WANNA LEAVE, UM, SHOULD I WAIT? WELL, THAT'S THE QUORUM, SO HOLD ON FOR A SECOND. YEAH, [01:11:04] I KEPT GETTING COVER FOR THE THANK YOU, CHRISTINA. I APPRECIATE IT. I APOLOGIZE ABSOLUTELY FOR THE DELAY. ALL RIGHT. WHERE ARE WE? YOU WERE AT ITEM 13, BUT IF WE CAN, UM, HOLD ITEM 13 AND YOU CAN GO ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY. I'M GOING TO BYPASS ITEM 13 AND GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? AND IF SO, PLEASE COME FORWARD. AND JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR, SO ITEM 13 WILL BE TABLED UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING, PLEASE. AND THANK YOU. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. THANK YOU, GARY. NO PROBLEM. UH, REAL QUICK, SORRY. DO WE NEED TO TAKE A VOTE ON THAT OR NO? YES. OH, I'M SO SORRY. I THOUGHT AS PRESIDENT I COULD JUST ARBITRARILY DECIDE THE COMMISSIONERS , JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE HITTING EVERYTHING RIGHT. LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE A VOTE ON THE TABLING OF ITEM 13. IF WE COULD GET A VERBAL, OH, HERE WE GO. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. MOTION CARRIES. I APPRECIATE THAT, SIR. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD SIR. THANK YOU FOR COMING. GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. BRANDON NOTTINGHAM, BUSINESS REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE I AM. UM, AND I'M HERE TO BRING AN ITEM TO YOUR ATTENTION THAT I'M HOPING TO POSSIBLY ENLIST SOME ASSISTANCE, UM, WITH A SITUATION THAT I'VE, UH, THAT I'VE BEEN, UH, MADE AWARE OF. UH, IN THE HARBOR DEPARTMENT SECURITY DIVISION, THERE IS A CLASSIFICATION ENTITLED HARBOR CONTROL CENTER SUPERVISOR. [PUBLIC COMMENT Opportunity to address the Civil Service Commission on non-agenda items. ] UM, IT WAS TO MY KNOWLEDGE, UM, BROUGHT ABOUT IN THE YEAR OF 2014, AND IT WAS BROUGHT OR CREATED IN UNCLASSIFIED SERVICE. NOW WITH REGARDS TO CIVIL SERVICE RULES AND REGULATIONS, ARTICLE ONE, SECTION THREE, AND THE CITY OF LONG BEACH CHARTER ARTICLE 11, SECTION 1102. WE DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THIS CLASSIFICATION FALLS UNDER UNCLASSIFIED SERVICE. UM, I KNOW THAT INITIALLY WE, THE BUSINESS REPS, THE IAM HAVE REACHED OUT TO THE CIVIL SERVICE STAFF. UH, WE'VE BEEN BEEN IN TALKS WITH CAPRICE AND, AND [01:15:01] SAL WITH SOME ASSISTANCE ON LOOKING INTO HOW THIS POSITION WAS CREATED, WHY IT WAS, UH, UNCLASSIFIED VERSUS A CLASSIFIED SERVICE. BECAUSE THERE ARE THE PORT SECURITY SYSTEM OPERATORS THAT ARE CLASSIFIED THAT REPORT TO THIS POSITION. UM, AND THEN THIS POSITION REPORTS TO A, I BELIEVE IT'S CALLED THE SECURITY DIVISION MANAGER, ONE OF THE MANAGERS, WHICH OBVIOUSLY IS AN UNCLASSIFIED POSITION, BUT IN, ITS, IN ITS CAPACITY. I DO NOT, WE DO NOT BELIEVE THAT IT DOES FALL UNDER THE RULES AND REGS OF UNCLASSIFIED SERVICE. SO WE WOULD LIKE TO BRING THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION TO SEE HOW THIS CAME ABOUT, HOW IT WAS PRESENTED, BECAUSE FROM OUR FEEDBACK WITH THE CIVIL SERVICE STAFF, THERE REALLY IS NO RECORD OF WHEN IT WAS BROUGHT OR IF IT WAS EVER BROUGHT TO COMMISSION FOR THE CREATION OF THIS POSITION. UM, AND WE NEED TO SEE HOW WE CAN TURN THIS OVER TO ITS RIGHTFUL WHAT WE BELIEVE IS THE RIGHTFUL PLACE IN CLASSIFIED SERVICE. UM, THIS IS AN ITEM THAT I KNOW A LITTLE PERSONALLY. I MAY BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU SOME FEEDBACK IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BECAUSE I DID COME FROM THE, UH, PORT SECURITY SYSTEM OPERATORS, UH, EMPLOYEE EMPLOYMENT WHEN I WAS A CITY OF LONG BEACH EMPLOYEE. UH, THIS WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE A UPWARD MOBILITY SYSTEM FOR THE PORT SECURITY SYSTEM OPERATORS. THERE'S ONLY ABOUT 12 OR 13 OF THEM. UM, THERE REALLY IS NO UPWARD MOBILITY FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO MOVE UP AND, AND, AND GET, YOU KNOW, POSITIONS OF HIGHER, UH, OR HIGHER POSITIONS. UM, AND THEN TO HAVE THIS ONE POSITION GO INTO UNCLASSIFIED SERVICE, WE THINK IS A DISSERVICE TO OUR MEMBERS. UM, SO LIKE I SAID, TODAY WE'RE, WE'RE HOPING TO BRING THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION AND SEE IF WE CAN LOOK INTO WHY IT WAS BROUGHT FORTH AS UNCLASSIFIED AND SEE IF WE CAN GET THAT OVERTURNED INTO CLASSIFIED SERVICE. I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT FORWARD. UH, THIS IS A NON AGENDA ITEM, SO I ASSUME THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE SPEAKING ON IT. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. UH, GARY, ARE WE ALLOWED TO ASK STAFF TO FURTHER THE INVESTIGATION INTO YES, YOU CAN. AND REPORT BACK TO THE COMMISSION? YES, THAT'S APPROPRIATE. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, SIR. CHRISTINA, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE. YES, WE WILL. THANK YOU, SIR. WE'LL GET INTO IT, MA'AM. GOOD MORNING, HONORABLE PRESIDENT AND FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. I'M INTRODUCING MYSELF AS THE, UH, NEWEST. I AM 9 47 BUSINESS REP. MY NAME IS SASHI MORRIN. I WAS RECENTLY AN AGENDA ITEM AS A RETIREE FROM THE CITY AFTER 30 YEARS OF PUBLIC SERVICE, THE LAST 26 WITH THE CITY, THE LAST 18 RUNNING THE HARBOR DEPARTMENT SMALL BUSINESS PROGRAM, AND MANY YEARS OF, UH, VOLUNTEERISM AS AS A BOARD MEMBER AND OTHER OPPORTUNITIES WITH THE LOCAL LODGE. 1930, I RETIRED TO ACCEPT THIS POSITION AND I PRESENT MYSELF. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. IT'S MY PLEASURE TO MEET YOU. WELCOME COMMISSIONERS. DO YOU HAVE ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS? [ANNOUNCEMENTS] NO. ARE THERE ANY FROM YOU, CHRISTINA? OKAY. HEARING NONE. I BELIEVE WE CAN CALL FOR AN ADJOURNMENT, BUT BEFORE I DO, PLEASE HAVE A SAFE AND SANE JULY 4TH. REMEMBER WHAT IT'S FOR, WHY WE CELEBRATE THAT DAY. AND PLEASE DON'T OVEREAT. YOU'RE ONLY GONNA HAVE TO DIET IT OFF LATER. AND WITH THAT, [ADJOURNMENT] HAVE A WONDERFUL FOURTH. AND STAY SAFE, EVERYONE. WE'RE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU. COMMISSION. WHAT TIME ARE WE ADJOURNING? PERFECT. WHAT HE SAID. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.