Jul 10, 2024 Ethics Commission

ALL RIGHT, LET'S MOVE TO RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR THE ETHICS COMMISSION MEETING OF WEDNESDAY, JUNE 12TH, 2024.

CAN I HAVE A MOTION ON THAT, PLEASE? SECOND.

WE NEED A SECOND.

I CAN SECOND IT.

I HEAR THE JEOPARDY MUSIC IN MY HEAD WHEN I'M WAITING.

NO COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THE MINUTES FROM THE JUNE MEETING? SEEING NONE, COULD WE HAVE THE VOTE PLEASE? AYE.

IT'S BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER COLEMAN, SECONDED BY VICE CHAIR P*****K.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THE MINUTES FROM THAT AGENDA MEETING? SEEING

[1. 24-54098 Recommendation to approve the minutes for the Ethics Commission meeting of Wednesday, June 12, 2024. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]

UM, WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR COMMISSIONER NOVA AND COMMISSIONER WEISS, WE'RE GOING TO SKIP ITEM TWO, AND LET'S GO TO ITEM THREE.

SO, CAN I HAVE A MOTION ON THE RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE AN UPDATE FROM STAFF TO THE MANAGEMENT RESPONSE AND ACTION PLAN TO THE 2020 PERFORMANCE AUDIT OF THE CITY'S ETHICS PROGRAM? IT'S BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER COLEMAN, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICTUS.

TYLER, I BELIEVE THIS IS YOU.

THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT'S WHAT I SAID.

OH, I THOUGHT NO, , AT LEAST MY BRAIN THOUGHT, TYLER .

I HEARD TETHER.

I DON'T KNOW .

UH, I'M JUST KIDDING.

TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THE AUDIT AND, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST GIVE YOU A SENSE OF WHERE WE'RE AT IN RESPONSE TO SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE AUDITOR.

SO HAPPY

[3. 24-54102 Recommendation to receive and file an update from staff to the Management Response and Action Plan to the 2020 Performance Audit of the City's Ethics Program. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]

UM, AND I THINK THIS IS A REALLY GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO SORT OF TAKE A STEP BACK AND SEE SOME OF THE PROGRESS THAT'S BEEN MADE, UM, IN RELATION TO THE ETHICS PROGRAM AS A WHOLE, UM, AS WELL AS SEEING WHERE SOME OF THE AREAS FOR FURTHER ENGAGEMENT AND IMPROVEMENT COULD BE.

UM, AND WE KNOW THAT WE WILL COME BACK TO A LARGER CONVERSATION AROUND THE STRATEGIC PLAN AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE FOR THE ETHICS PROGRAM.

SO I THINK A LOT OF THE, UH, STUFF THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT IN THIS ITEM CAN, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE ON IN OUR CONVERSATION AROUND THE STRATEGIC PLAN MOVING FORWARD.

BUT WANTED TO, UM, KINDA GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF THE STATUS ON A NUMBER, UH, ON ALL OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

WE DO HAVE SOME THAT ARE STILL SORT OF UNDER REVIEW AND WORKING WITH THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO GET SOME, UH, INPUT ON WHAT NEXT STEPS MIGHT BE FOR SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

WE ALSO HAVE SOME THAT ARE ONGOING EFFORTS WHERE, UH, WE'VE MADE SOME PROGRESS, BUT, UH, MAYBE NOT FULLY ADDRESSED, UH, SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS.

AND THEN WE HAVE A NUMBER OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE COMPLETE AT THIS POINT.

UM, AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE RECOMMENDATIONS AS A WHOLE, THERE'S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT KINDS OF RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL THAT ARE, UM, IMPORTANT TO CONSIDER.

SO THERE'S SOME RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE MORE AROUND THE COMMISSION AUTHORITIES AND WHAT, UM, AUTHORITY THE OFFICE HAS FOR ENFORCEMENT, UH, PENALTIES, THINGS LIKE THAT.

THERE'S A NUMBER OF RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING THAT.

SO A LOT OF THAT IS STILL UNDER REVIEW AND THINGS THAT, UM, MAY BE CONSIDERED IN THE FUTURE, BUT ARE SORT OF OUT OF THE PURVIEW OF WHAT COULD BE CHANGED OR ADDRESSED FROM THE STAFF LEVEL.

UM, THERE'S A NUMBER OF RECOMMENDATIONS RELATED TO REALLY KIND OF COMMUNICATING THE ETHICS PROGRAM AND GUIDELINES AND RULES AND, UH, PROTOCOLS.

AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK WE'VE MADE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS, IS MAKING, UH, THE ETHICS PROGRAM MUCH MORE KNOWN AND, UH, HOPEFULLY RAISING AWARENESS ABOUT, UH, DIFFERENT RULES AND PROTOCOLS.

AND THEN, UH, THERE'S SOME RECOMMENDATIONS IN HERE ALSO AROUND TRAINING AND DIFFERENT RESOURCES FOR THE ETHICS PROGRAM.

THOSE ARE, UM, ADDITIONAL AREAS WHERE I THINK STAFF AND THE COMMISSION HAVE MADE REALLY SIGNIFICANT STRIDES TO, UM, EXPAND THE ETHICS PROGRAM.

SO I'LL WALK THROUGH ONE BY ONE, BUT I WANTED TO AT LEAST GIVE SOME CONTEXT, UM, TAKING A STEP BACK OF WHAT, UM, THIS UPDATE IS ALL ABOUT.

AND THEN LOOKING FORWARD TO CONTINUED CONVERSATION AROUND WHERE WE CAN MAKE MORE IMPROVEMENTS MOVING FORWARD.

UM, SO YOU HAVE

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THE, UM, ENTIRE, UM, AUDIT ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND, UH, BRIEF STATUS UPDATE.

SO I'LL JUST WALK THROUGH THOSE, UM, SOMEWHAT QUICKLY AND GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT TO SOME.

SO, RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE IS REALLY THINKING ABOUT, UM, HOW TO HAVE MORE CENTRALIZED COORDINATION AND ROLE FOR THE ETHICS PROGRAM AS A WHOLE.

UM, AND THEN ALSO HAS SOME INFORMATION AROUND, UM, ADDING ADDITIONAL KIND OF ETHICS POLICY FOR CONDUCTING INVESTIGATIONS, UM, AND THAT TYPE OF THING.

SO SOME OF THESE AUTHORITIES, LIKE I MENTIONED, ARE STILL UNDER REVIEW WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, AND WE DO HAVE A UNIQUE SETUP HERE WITH THE ETHICS COMMISSION, WHICH IS ADVISORY.

WE HAVE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS, OF COURSE, ON THE COMMISSION THAT ARE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS IN A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT ORDINANCES POLICIES AND SO ON THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT.

UM, SO THE ROLE ITSELF OF THE ETHICS COMMISSION IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE AUDIT, UH, RECOMMENDATION, UM, IS.

BUT I THINK, AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S CURRENTLY UNDER REVIEW AND, AND CAN BE CONSIDERED, UH, FURTHER AS WE TALK ABOUT THE, UM, STRATEGIC PLAN.

RECOMMENDATION NUMBER TWO IS, UM, REALLY ABOUT EXPANDING STAFFING, UH, CAPACITY AND RESOURCES FOR THE ETHICS COMMISSION AND THE ETHICS PROGRAM.

SO THIS IS ONE WHERE, UM, WE HAVE MADE SIGNIFICANT STRIDES AND HAVE COMPLETED THIS RECOMMENDATION WHERE, UM, OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE WONDERFUL STAFF HERE WITH HEATHER JORGE, OUR ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, THE CLERK'S OFFICE, OTHERS THAT ARE DEDICATED TO THE COMMISSION.

UM, AND WE'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL, UH, OVER THE LAST COUPLE BUDGETS IN GETTING ADDITIONAL RESOURCES TO EXPAND, UH, SOME OF THE WORK THAT THE ETHICS COMMISSION IS DOING, UM, LIKE WITH OUR STRATEGIC PLAN.

SO THIS IS ONE THAT, UM, I THINK WE HAVE MADE, UH, SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS ON IN TERMS OF RECOMMENDATION NUMBER TWO.

UH, RECOMMENDATION NUMBER THREE IS AROUND, UM, KINDA LOOKING AT WAYS TO REPLACE OUR ETHICS GUIDE WITH AN EXPANDED DOCUMENT, UM, AND ALSO SHARING A LOT OF THIS INFORMATION MORE WIDELY, UH, THROUGH ANNUAL REPORTS ON THE WEBSITE.

SO SOME OF THIS IS ONGOING.

UM, WE HAVE BEEN, UM, YOU KNOW, WORKING ON KIND OF UPDATING, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE DRAFT ETHICS ORDINANCE, UM, AND ALSO THE CODE, CODE OF CONDUCT TOOLKIT.

UM, AND WE'VE BEEN UPDATING OUR WEBSITE AS WELL WITH ADDITIONAL INFORMATION LIKE THE ANNUAL REPORT.

UM, SO I THINK THIS WILL CONTINUE TO BE A CONVERSATION WITH THE COMMISSION IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN, AS WELL AS HOW CAN WE EXPAND OUR COMMUNICATIONS EFFORTS, THINK MORE STRATEGICALLY ABOUT GETTING INFORMATION OUT TO NOT ONLY MAYOR AND COUNCIL, BUT THE PUBLIC ABOUT THE ETHICS PROGRAM.

UM, BUT AGAIN, ANOTHER AREA WHERE WE HAVE MADE, UH, SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS TO GET INFORMATION OUT ABOUT THE ETHICS PROGRAM THAT THE CITY IS RUNNING.

UM, RECOMMENDATION NUMBER FOUR IS, UM, LOOKING AT WAYS TO SORT OF CONSOLIDATE AGAIN, UM, INFORMATION ABOUT THE ETHICS PROGRAM.

AND A LOT OF THIS IS ALREADY IN PLACE, UM, LIKE I SAID, ON THE WEBSITE, UM, AND IN FORUMS LIKE THIS WHERE, UM, HEATHER AND THE TEAM ARE ABLE TO PROVIDE REGULAR UPDATES ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON.

WE WORK OBVIOUSLY CLOSELY WITH EACH OF THE DEPARTMENTS, UH, TO SHARE INFORMATION ABOUT THE ETHICS PROGRAM ACROSS THE CITY AS WELL.

UM, BUT AGAIN, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS IN THIS RECOMMENDATION REGARDING ENFORCEMENT PROCESS AND AUTHORITY WOULD STILL BE, UM, SOMETHING TO DISCUSS IN THE FUTURE ARE NOT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE, UH, DIRECT CONTROL OVER, UH, AT THE STAFF LEVEL.

RECOMMENDATION NUMBER FIVE IS LOOKING AT DEVELOPING A NEW, MORE COHESIVE SECTION OF THE CITY'S MUNICIPAL CODE, ADDRESSING A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ASPECTS RELATED TO, UH, THE ETHICS PROGRAM.

SO THIS IS WORK OF COURSE, THAT, UH, IS ONGOING WITH THE COMMISSION.

THE AD HOC, UM, ON UPDATED POLICIES IS WORKING ON THAT DRAFT UPDATE TO THE ETHICS ORDINANCE.

SO AGAIN, THIS WILL CONTINUE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, BE UNDER CONSIDERATION WITH THE, THE WHOLE COMMISSION.

UM, MEANWHILE THOUGH, THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT IMPROVEMENTS AND UPDATES TO THE LONG BEACH MUNICIPAL CODE, UH, RELATED TO THINGS LIKE, I KNOW TAYLOR HAD PRESENTED A WHILE BACK ON, UM, OUR ADVISORY COMMISSIONS PROCESS AND, UM, SORT OF TIGHTENING UP SOME OF THOSE RULES AND PROCESSES FOR COMMISSIONERS CITYWIDE, LOOKING AT KIND OF THE PROCESS FOR FILING FORM SEVEN HUNDREDS AND SO ON.

SO, WHILE THE LARGER ETHICS ORDINANCES UNDER CONSIDERATION, I THINK THERE ARE STILL ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TO THE MUNICIPAL CODE AROUND, UM, AREAS OF INTEREST FOR THE ETHICS PROGRAM AS WELL.

UH, RECOMMENDATION NUMBER SIX

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IS AROUND PREPARING A DEFINITION OF ETHICS TO SPELL OUT MORE DETAILS OF WHAT'S EXPECTED OF CITY EMPLOYEES AND OFFICIALS.

AND THIS, UM, IS ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION THAT IS COMPLETE WHERE WE HAVE UPDATED THE CODE OF CONDUCTS AND ETHICS, UM, EARLIER LAST YEAR, AND HAVE BEEN CONTINUALLY PROVIDING ADDITIONAL TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES ACROSS THE CITY, UH, FOR FOLKS TO OBVIOUSLY LEARN MORE ABOUT THE ETHICS PROGRAM AND TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND, UH, KIND OF THE, THE GUIDELINES ACROSS THE CITY.

RECOMMENDATION NUMBER SEVEN, UH, IS LOOKING AT WAYS TO, UH, DEVELOP ADDITIONAL PATHWAYS FOR, UM, FOLKS TO FILE COMPLAINTS RELATED TO SUSPECTED ETHICAL MISCONDUCT.

SO THIS IS SOMEWHAT ONGOING, BUT ALSO SOMEWHAT COMPLETE IN THE SENSE THAT, UM, WE DO HAVE INFORMATION ON OUR WEBSITE ABOUT DIFFERENT, UM, AVENUES FOR FOLKS TO BE ABLE TO SHARE SOME OF THOSE COMPLAINTS AS WELL AS ON OUR CITY EMPLOYEE INTRANET PAGE.

UM, AND THIS INFORMATION IS COVERED IN THE ETHICS GUIDE AND CODE OF CONDUCT TOOLKIT.

UM, AND THIS FLOWS INTO RECOMMENDATION EIGHT AS WELL, UH, WHICH IS TO CREATE A, AN ADVICE AND REFERRAL HOTLINE.

UM, SO THIS IS COMPLETED WHERE WE HAVE A CURRENT ETHICS HELPLINE, UM, ESTABLISHED LAST YEAR.

SO THIS IS YET ANOTHER KIND OF AVENUE FOR FOLKS TO BE ABLE TO SHARE INFORMATION ABOUT POTENTIAL ETHICS VIOLATIONS WITH, UM, THE ETHICS TEAM HERE.

RECOMMENDATION NINE IS LOOKING AT, UM, AGAIN, THINKING ABOUT THE QUESTION OF AUTHORITY, UM, TO ENHANCE PENALTIES AND DISCIPLINARY ACTIONS FOR, UM, ETHICS VIOLATIONS.

SO THIS IS SOMETHING AGAIN, THAT IS STILL ONGOING UNDER CONSIDERATION, BUT, UM, I THINK SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD WANT TO CONSIDER AS WE, UH, MOVE FURTHER INTO THE STRATEGIC PLAN OF WHAT THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD LOOK LIKE.

UH, THE AUDITOR'S RECOMMENDATION NUMBER 10 IS AROUND AN ANNUAL, UH, REPORT, UPDATING THE COMMUNITY ON, UM, DIFFERENT ADVANCEMENTS AND, UM, IMPROVEMENTS THAT THE CITY HAS MADE WHEN IT COMES TO NOT ONLY THE ETHICS COMMISSION, BUT THE PROGRAM MORE GENERALLY.

SO WE DO COMPLETE THAT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS WITH, UM, OUR ANNUAL REPORT, WHICH IS SHARED WIDELY, NOT ONLY, UM, WITH MAYOR AND COUNCIL, BUT, UM, I KNOW OUR CLERK ALSO, UM, SHARES THAT INFORMATION AND, AND HAS, UM, A DATABASE OF ALL THE ANNUAL REPORTS ACROSS THE COMMISSIONS.

RECOMMENDATION NUMBER 11, UM, IS LOOKING AT AMENDING THE MUNICIPAL CODE TO REQUIRE SIGNED ATTESTATION OF COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE OF ETHICS.

UH, SO THIS IS COMPLETED, BUT, UM, THE SIGNED ATTESTATION IS, UM, IN THE EMPLOYEE'S FILES AND IS ONLY DONE ONCE.

SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK ADDRESSES THE RECOMMENDATION, UM, BUT YOU KNOW, IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN COMPLETING THIS ANNUALLY, UH, COMPARED TO THE TRAINING, WHICH IS, UH, CONDUCTED ANNUALLY.

RECOMMENDATION NUMBER 12 IS TO LOOK AT, UH, PROVIDING TRAINING, UM, TO ALL STAFF AT LEAST ONCE A YEAR, WHICH AS MENTIONED IS COMPLETED.

WE DO THAT, UM, ON AN ANNUAL BASIS THROUGH THE CODE OF CONDUCT AND ETHICS TRAINING.

RECOMMENDATION 13 IS ABOUT, UM, ADOPTING A POLICY THAT ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS ATTEST TO THE ABSENCE OF ANY CONFLICT OF INTEREST AT COUNCIL MEETINGS.

SO THIS IS ALSO, UM, COMPLETED THROUGH, UH, STATE LEGISLATION, THE LEVINE ACT, WHICH, UH, REQUIRES, UM, THE DISCLOSURE OF ANY POTENTIAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST WHEN IT COMES TO ITEMS LIKE, UH, PERMITS OR CONTRACTS THAT COME BEFORE THE COUNCIL.

RECOMMENDATION NUMBER 14 IS LOOKING AT, UM, BASICALLY NEW ELECTED OFFICIALS AND CITY STAFF SIGNING A STATEMENT INDICATING, UH, WHETHER THEY HAVE ANY IMMEDIATE FAMILY ON STAFF AT THE CITY.

SO THIS IS ONGOING.

WE DON'T HAVE A, UH, THE AUTHORITY TO REQUIRE THAT ELECTED OFFICIALS ADHERE TO, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE REGULATIONS.

BUT, UM, THIS IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING FOR THE AD HOC, UM, TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION IF, IF YOU SO CHOOSE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO APPLY THAT, UH, RECOMMENDATION MORE WIDELY.

UM, RECOMMENDATION NUMBER 15 IS LOOKING AT, UH, CONDUCTING PROACTIVE AUDITS ON SELECT, UH, CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS AND EXPENDITURES, WHICH IS SOMETHING OF COURSE, THAT THE COMMISSION DOES ENGAGE IN WITH THE, UM, AD HOC COMMITTEE ON THE 2024 PRIMARY NON NOMINATING ELECTION.

SO THIS IS SOMETHING ONGOING, I KNOW THAT THE, THE COMMISSION IS INTERESTED IN AND CAN CONTINUE, CONTINUE TO DO, UM, IN TERMS OF PERFORMING THOSE, UM, RECURRING AUDITS.

RECOMMENDATION 16, UH, IS TO AMEND THE CONTRACT BOILERPLATE LANGUAGE TO INCLUDE MANDATORY PROVISIONS

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THAT CONTRACTORS, UH, STATE THAT THEY WILL COMPLY WITH THE ETHICS CODE.

SO THIS IS COMPLETED.

WE HAVE INCLUDED ADDITIONAL, UH, REFERENCE IN THAT LANGUAGE TO THE, UH, VENDOR CODE OF CONDUCT.

RECOMMENDATION 17 IS TO LOOK AT, UH, OUR FINANCIAL DEPARTMENT ESTABLISHING, UH, PROCEDURES TO CONDUCT INDEPENDENT REVIEWS OF ITS BUYERS ACTIVITIES.

SO THIS IS ALSO COMPLETED, UH, WITH OUR LONG BEACH BUYS PROGRAM AND, UH, PLATFORM THAT WENT LIVE IN 2022, ENSURING THAT THE BUYERS IN OUR DEPARTMENT DON'T HAVE ANY AUTHORITY TO SELECT VENDORS OR CONTRACTORS.

UH, RECOMMENDATION 18 IS TO ESTABLISH PROCEDURES TO IMPLEMENT THE STATE REQUIREMENT THAT CONSULTANTS SUBMIT FINANCIAL DISCLOSURES.

UH, THIS IS ALSO COMPLETED IN TERMS OF, UM, YOU KNOW, FOLLOWING THROUGH WITH WHAT THOSE PROCEDURES AND IMPLEMENTING THE STATE REQUIREMENT, UH, IS.

RECOMMENDATION 19 IS AROUND REQUIRING ETHICS TRAINING FOR ALL CITY STAFF AND OFFICIALS, REGARDLESS OF IF THEY REPORT TO THE CITY MANAGER OR ANOTHER AUTHORITY.

UM, AND THIS AGAIN, IS COMPLETED THROUGH ALL OF OUR, UM, OUR ANNUAL ETHICS TRAINING.

UH, THAT'S REQUIRED CITYWIDE, UM, AND ATTENDANCE AT A STATE MANDATED SEXUAL HARASSMENT TRAINING.

THAT'S TRACKED, UM, AT THE STAFF LEVEL AS WELL.

RECOMMENDATION 20 IS, UM, LOOKING AT DEVELOPING A CITYWIDE RETALIATION PROTECTION POLICY.

SO THIS IS, UH, ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION THAT, UM, IS STILL UNDER CONSIDERATION AND UNDER REVIEW.

SO IT COULD BE SOMETHING I THINK THAT THE COMMISSION, UH, IN OUR STRATEGIC PLAN COULD LOOK MORE DEEPLY AT, IF, IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S OF INTEREST TO THE COMMISSION TO MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION.

UH, NUMBER 21 IS LOOKING AT DEVELOPING LOCAL FINES OR PENALTIES FOR NONCOMPLIANCE WITH FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE.

UM, THIS AGAIN, IS ALSO, UM, UNDER REVIEW FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY TO SEE WHAT WOULD BE NEEDED IN ORDER TO ESTABLISH, UM, ADDITIONAL LOCAL FINE STRUCTURE FOR THAT.

UH, RECOMMENDATION NUMBER 22 IS LOOKING AT ESTABLISHING A TIMELINE FOR CITY STAFF TO SUBMIT ALL, UH, APPLICABLE GIFT DISCLOSURE FORMS WITHIN 10 CALENDAR DAYS.

UM, SO WE DO HAVE, OF COURSE, REQUIREMENT TO SUBMIT THE FORM 700, UM, BUT THERE IS NO SPECIFIC TIMELINE FOR THAT, ASIDE FROM THE ANNUAL, UM, YOU KNOW, RESPONSE FOR THE FORM 700.

SO NOT A RECURRING KIND OF UPDATE EVERY 10 DAYS, UH, AFTER A GIFT HAS BEEN RECEIVED.

SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE CERTAINLY OPEN TO ANY RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW BEST TO ADDRESS ANY CONCERNS AROUND, UH, CONFLICT OF INTEREST OR GIFTS, AND IF THERE'S A WAY THAT WE COULD TRY TO STRENGTHEN THAT PROCESS THROUGH, UM, ESTABLISHING A MORE, UM, KIND OF REGULAR TIMELINE FOR SUBMISSION.

UM, IT MAY BE HARD JUST LIKE WITH SOME OF THESE OTHER ISSUES OF IN, IN TERMS OF ENFORCEMENT, ASIDE FROM THE ANNUAL FORM 700 REQUIREMENT, BUT IT COULD HELP TO ENCOURAGE FOLKS TO SUBMIT THAT MORE REGULARLY SO WE'D HAVE MORE VISIBILITY, UM, AND TRANSPARENCY ON THOSE.

UM, DISCLOSURE OF GIFTS, RECOMMENDATION 23 IS, UH, TO DIRECT THE ETHICS COMMISSION STAFF TO REVIEW GIFTS, DISCLOSURES AND REVIEW DONORS.

UM, AND THIS IS LARGELY CAPTURED ALREADY THROUGH THE LEVINE ACT.

UM, AGAIN, WE HAVE REGULAR, UM, UH, REQUIREMENTS AT THROUGH CITY COUNCIL ACTIONS, IF THERE ARE ANY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST THAT COUNCIL HAS, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE TRACKING AND ENSURING THAT THEY'RE DISCLOSING ANY OF THOSE CONFLICTS OF INTEREST.

UM, BUT THIS IS LARGELY ON LEGISLATIVE STAFF, UH, TO BE ABLE TO TRACK THAT AND COORDINATE IT BECAUSE THEY HAVE ACCESS, UM, TO MONITORING THE, UM, THEIR CAMPAIGN, UH, CONTRIBUTIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO, UM, THIS IS ONE THING THOUGH, THAT WE'VE BEEN COORDINATING WITH, UH, THE CLERK'S OFFICE, THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, UM, AS PROACTIVE AS POSSIBLE WHEN IT COMES TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE LEVI ACT.

FOR EXAMPLE, UM, RECENTLY THEY CHANGED THE APPLICABILITY OF THE VN ACT TO, UH, DIVIDE BY NINE FUNDING ITEMS, WHICH ARE WHERE THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE DISCRETIONARY FUNDS TO PROVIDE TO, UM, NOT ONLY CITY PROJECTS TO, UH, POTENTIALLY PRIORITIZE THEM OR TO HELP FILL A GAP, BUT ALSO TO, UH, COMMUNITY GROUPS FOR EVENTS, FOR SPONSORSHIPS, THAT TYPE OF THING.

UH, SO THE FPPC HAS RULED THAT THE, THOSE TYPES OF CONTRIBUTIONS TO NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS, COMMUNITY-BASED ORGANIZATIONS DO APPLY TO THE LEVINE ACT.

SO MORE RECENTLY, WE HAVE MADE ADJUSTMENTS TO THE DIVIDE BY NINE PROCESS EVEN TO ENSURE THAT, UM, THEY'RE INCLUDING THE LEVI

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ACT FORM ON THE ORIGINAL OR THE REGULAR AGENDA WHEN THOSE ITEMS COME BEFORE COUNCIL, SO THEY HAVE MORE TIME TO REVIEW AND ENSURE IF THERE ARE, UM, ANY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST FOR THOSE SPECIFIC FUNDING.

SO THAT JUST MEAN ON THAT, ON NOW THAT, THAT APPLIES TO LEVINE ACT, IF A COUNCIL MEMBER USES SOME OF THEIR DISCRETIONARY DIVIDE BY NINE MONEY AND MAKES AN ALLOCATION TO A COMMUNITY ORGANIZATION, THEY CAN'T VOTE ON FUTURE ITEMS, OR THEY JUST HAVE TO DISCLOSE THAT THEY'VE HAD THAT FINANCIAL RELATIONSHIP WITH THAT ORGANIZATION.

SO THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO EVEN BRING AN ITEM FORWARD IF THEY HAVE A LEVINA CONFLICT.

UM, SO IT WOULD PRECLUDE THEM, LIKE IF, IF THEY WERE TO PUT FORWARD AN ITEM, THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO IF THEY HAVE A LEVINA CONFLICT RIGHT.

WITH THAT ORGANIZATION.

UM, BUT IF ANOTHER MEMBER PUTS FORWARD AN ITEM AND THEY HAVE A CONFLICT, THEY WOULDN'T, THEY WOULD HAVE TO RECUSE THEMSELVES, JUST LIKE, OR IF SAY, HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES WERE TO GRANT, UH, WERE TO AWARD RECOMMEND AWARDING A CONTRACT TO THAT ORGANIZATION, THEN THEY COULDN'T VOTE ON THE AWARDING OF THAT CONTRACT UNLESS IT'S COMPETITIVELY BID.

UM, YEAH.

SO THERE'S SOME OTHER, UH, STIPULATIONS IN THE LEVINE ACT THAT IT'S ALSO COMPLEX.

IT IS, YEAH.

I'M STILL TRYING TO WRAP MY MIND AROUND IT, BUT, UH, ULTIMATELY IF IT'S A NON-COMPETITIVE, UM, ALLOCATION, LIKE A DIVIDE BY NINE OR UH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEN YEAH, THE LEVINE ACT WOULD APPLY.

AND IN THAT CASE, YEAH, IF THEY DID HAVE A CONTRIBUTION, THEY WOULD HAVE TO RECUSE THEMSELVES.

UM, SO EVEN IF IT'S NOT FROM COUNCIL, BUT IF IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY DOING A, A NON-COMPETITIVE CONTRACT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT COULD APPLY TO.

REAL QUICK, COMMISSIONER WEISS HAS A QUESTION TOO.

SURE.

UM, AND WE CAN MAYBE COME BACK TO THIS, BUT, UM, I WAS GONNA ASK YOU ABOUT THE LEVINE ACT WITH REFERENCED TO ITEM NUMBER 13, BUT YOU'VE BEEN RE REPEATING REPEATEDLY REFERENCING THE LEVINE ACT WAS REFERENCED TO MANY MORE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

I HAVE A VERY, UM, SUPERFICIAL UNDERSTANDING OF THE LEVINE ACT, AND I THOUGHT IT ONLY APPLIED WHEN MONEY HAS BEEN GIVEN TO THE, UM, ELECTED OFFICIAL FOR THEIR CAMPAIGN FUND OR WHATEVER, EITHER BEFORE OR AFTER THE EVENT.

SO I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING IF IT GOES BEYOND THAT OR NOT.

AND I'M THINKING THAT IT WOULD BE USEFUL, AT LEAST TO ME, AND I CAN'T, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS TO HAVE A, SOME SORT OF A PRESENTATION ABOUT THAT.

I, I DID FIND THE RECENT MEMO FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY, UM, IN MID-APRIL ABOUT THE DIVIDE BY NINE.

AND YES, IT'S VERY COMPLICATED, BUT STILL, I THOUGHT IT WAS RELATED TO CAMPAIGN, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IF YOU'VE HAD CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS, THERE CAN BE LOTS OF OTHER KINDS OF CONFLICTS OF INTEREST.

OF COURSE.

SO, SO ANYWAY, I THINK WE NEED SOME FURTHER INFORMATION ABOUT THAT.

SURE.

WE'VE HAD, WE'VE GOT THE STAFF WORKING ON A REPORT FOR US ON THAT, AND THEN THE MAYOR'S FUND AND ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT CAN IMPACT FUNDING WITH WAS A WHOLE LIST OF THEM.

BUT I THINK TO COMMISSIONER WISE'S POINT, UH, WE CAN'T SEE THESE, THESE ITEMS AS COMPLETE, RIGHT, RIGHT.

IF LEVI ACT ONLY APPLIES TO CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS, NOT GIFTS OR FAMILY ORIENTED CONFLICTS OF INTEREST, ET CETERA.

BUT YEAH, WE ARE GONNA HAVE, ON THE DIVIDE BY NINE, WE WILL BE GETTING A PRESENTATION.

UM, IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE MIGHT ALSO WANT ANOTHER PRESENTATION, THE LEVIEN ACT.

THE VIAN ACT, YEAH.

AND I SEE HEATHER TAKING NOTES DOWN THERE.

WELL, I THINK, UM, TAKING, IT'S HARD WHEN WE WALK RECOMMENDATION BY RECOMMENDATION, BECAUSE FRANKLY THEY'RE RELATED.

UM, YEAH.

YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GIFTS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CONFLICT OF INTEREST IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTIONS TO CAMPAIGN OR OFFICE HOLDER, UM, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, FAMILY CONNECTIONS, THAT TYPE OF THING.

AND SO EACH ONE OF THOSE POTENTIALLY HAS SOME, UM, YOU KNOW, BARRIER IN PLACE TO TRY TO PROTECT AGAINST THOSE CONFLICTS OF INTEREST.

NOT THAT THE LEVI ACT DOESN'T NECESSARILY ADDRESS EVERY POTENTIAL TYPE OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST, SAME WITH FOUR FORM 700.

BUT, UM, I THINK IF YOU TAKE IT AS A WHOLE, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS IN PLACE THAT ARE AT LEAST INTENDED TO SORT OF, UM, GIVE US MORE VISIBILITY ON IF THERE IS A POTENTIAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

AND CERTAINLY THE LEVINE ACT IS, UM, I MEAN, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT PRESENTATION.

I WOULD, UM, HOPEFULLY ASK THAT THE ATTORNEY HELP OUT WITH THAT.

'CAUSE IT

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IS VERY COMPLEX.

I KNOW TAYLOR WAS AN EXPERT ON THAT, AND I'M CONSTANTLY ASKING QUESTIONS.

BUT, UM, THAT IS, YEAH, DEFINITELY FOCUSED ON CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS.

BUT I, UM, AGAIN, THE, UM, THE INTENT IS REALLY TO GET MORE TRANSPARENCY AND VISIBILITY ON WHEN THERE MIGHT BE A FINANCIAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST, ESPECIALLY IF COUNCIL HAS A DECISION BEFORE THEM THAT COULD BE INFLUENCED BY, UH, YOU KNOW, A CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTION.

AND THEN THE OTHER PIECE IS LIKE GIFT DISCLOSURES, UM, AND THAT TYPE OF THING IS, UM, YOU KNOW, ALREADY ADDRESSED, AT LEAST IN PART THROUGH THINGS LIKE THE FORM 700.

BUT AGAIN, WE COULD POTENTIALLY LOOK AT WAYS TO, UH, TRY TO BE MORE PROACTIVE ABOUT GATHERING THAT INFORMATION MORE REGULARLY, THAT TYPE OF THING TOO.

UM, SO YEAH, WOULD LOVE ADDITIONAL INPUT, UM, ESPECIALLY ON THE ONES THAT, HEY, THIS IS STILL ONGOING.

WE, WE STILL NEED TO ADDRESS THESE ASPECTS OF THE RECOMMENDATION.

THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL FEEDBACK FOR US TO, UM, KIND OF STRATEGIZE AND THEN BRING THAT BACK TO THE, THE COMMISSION, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE STRATEGIC PLAN.

, WHAT ARE THOSE ADDITIONAL GAPS? UM, SO HOW, WHAT FORM WOULD YOU LIKE THAT FEEDBACK? I MEAN, I, I CONSIDER A COUPLE OF THESE NOT COMPLETE.

SHOULD WE SEND YOU AN EMAIL OR HOW, HOW SHOULD WE WORK THROUGH HEATHER? I THINK WE, WE CAN HAVE THAT DIALOGUE NOW MORE SPECIFIC THAT WORKS, AND THEN WE CAN ALWAYS BRING SOME OF THAT BACK WHEN WE TALK MORE BROADLY ABOUT THE STRATEGIC PLAN TOO.

YEAH, YEAH.

AS LIKE, OKAY, THIS AREA STILL NEEDS WORK AND HERE'S WHAT WE RECOMMEND.

OKAY, GREAT.

UM, SO YEAH, WE COULD EITHER HAVE THAT DISCUSSION NOW, OR YEAH, IF YOU WANT TO, WE CAN CONTINUE IT ON, UH, IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN AS WELL.

WE'RE, I'M SORRY, I INTERRUPTED AND I OPENED A, A PANDORA'S BOX.

SO WE'RE GONNA LET YOU FINISH THE PRESENTATION, THEN WE'LL START TALKING TO YOU ABOUT THE ONES THAT WE THINK NEED TO SHOW AS WE STILL NEED TO DO SOME WORK.

NO WORRIES.

I JUST HAVE TWO MORE.

SO, UH, I'LL BE QUICK.

THE, UM, RECOMMENDATION 24 IS, UM, ONGOING.

IT'S, UM, BEING LOOKED AT BY THE AD HOC COMMITTEE ON THE LOBBYIST ORDINANCE.

SO RECOMMENDATION AROUND, UM, LOOKING AT SIGN IN SHEETS, APPOINTMENT CALENDARS, AND, UH, ELECTED OFFICIAL CALENDARS TO AGAIN, HAVE MORE VISIBILITY ON, UM, KIND OF THE CONNECTIONS BETWEEN, UM, YOU KNOW, THE AD, UH, LOBBYISTS AND, AND THE ELECTED OFFICIALS.

AND THEN, UH, RECOMMENDATION 25 IS LOOKING AT THE, UH, SORRY, REVOLVING DOOR REGULATIONS, UM, AND HOW THOSE ARE ADMINISTERED.

SO, UM, THOSE, AGAIN, ARE KIND OF UNDER REVIEW, LOOKING AT WAYS THAT, UM, THE ENFORCEMENT OF THIS POLICY COULD BE ADDRESSED OR CHANGED.

BUT CURRENTLY IT'S, UM, UNDER THE DISCRETION OF THE CITY PROSECUTOR.

SO, AGAIN, THINKING ABOUT A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WOULD CHANGE THE, UM, ROLE AND THE AUTHORITY OF THE COMMISSION ITSELF, I THINK THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE WOULD WANNA BRING BACK UNDER THE STRATEGIC PLAN TO SEE WHAT MAKES MOST SENSE AND WHAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE.

SO WITH THAT, UM, YEAH, HAPPY TO GET MORE FEEDBACK AND QUESTIONS AND, UM, AND SEE HOW WE CAN CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A LOT OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS.

THAT, UH, THE CITY COULD TRACK THE NUMBER OF COMPLAINTS COMING IN AND WHAT THE DISPOSITIONS WERE, BECAUSE THE, THE INVESTIGATIONS ARE CONDUCTED BY A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS.

TYLER, COULD WE HAVE THE RECORD REFLECT THAT COMMISSIONER WEISS JOINED US DURING THAT PRESENTATION AND ALSO THAT COMMISSIONER NOVEY HAS HAD AN UNANTICIPATED PERSONAL ISSUE COME UP? HE MAY OR MAY NOT BE JOINING US LATER, SO HE SHOULD BE EXCUSED ALSO.

UM, WHO HAS THE FIRST QUESTION FOR TYLER? BOBBY, YOU WANNA JUMP IN? THANK YOU.

UM, FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA SAY I, HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO BACK THROUGH THE AUDIT, WHICH I HAD NOT DONE IN A LONG TIME, I, I WAS JUST O OVERWHELMED BY HOW MUCH HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED.

UM, I REMEMBER READING THE AUDIT THE FIRST TIME AND JUST SORT OF TEARING MY HAIR OUT.

AND THE CITY HAS ACCOMPLISHED AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT, AND WE'RE VERY, VERY FAR, UH, TOWARDS COMPLETING ALL OF THE AUDIT RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO I WANNA THANK EVERYONE ON THE CITY STAFF WHO CONTRIBUTED TO THAT EFFORT.

UM, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF THINGS.

UM, ONE, UH, ON NUMBERS ONE AND TWO, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, THE COMMISSION HAS TABLED UNTIL LATER WAS AN INVESTIGATIONS PROTOCOL.

AND THAT INVESTIGATIONS PROTOCOL, THE CONCEPT IS WHEN WE REVISIT IT, THAT IT WILL BE A PROTOCOL FOLLOWED CITYWIDE, AND THE, THAT THERE WOULD BE A SINGLE DATABASE WITH OBVIOUS ACCESS CONTROLS, UM, BUT A CITYWIDE DATABASE OF ALL COMPLAINTS, UM, OF AN ETHICS NATURE, UM, SO

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AND WITHOUT, WITHOUT TRYING TO CHANGE THAT, IT WOULD SIMPLY BE A DATABASE, SO WE WOULD KNOW, SO THE CITY WOULD KNOW, UH, WHAT THE INVEST, HOW MANY SUBSTANTIATED INVESTIGATIONS THERE WERE, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR TIME CHARGING AND WHAT THE CONSEQUENCES WERE.

SO I CONSIDER ONE AND TWO STILL OPEN, AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, IT, IT, IT FELL DOWN ON THE PRIORITY LIST WITH SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WE WERE DOING, BUT I KNOW IT'LL COME BACK.

UM, THE, THE SECOND THING WAS ALSO ON, ON NUMBERS 13 AND 23.

I, I, I, I ALSO, UH, AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER WISE, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE CLOSED A LOT HAS BEEN DONE.

I AGREE THAT THE GIFT DISCLOSURES ARE HELPFUL, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY FULLY ANSWER THE MAIL OF THE AUDIT.

UM, AND WE ALSO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO LOOK AT, UH, CONFLICTS OF INTEREST THAT ARISE OUTSIDE OF THE GIFTS OR CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS.

UM, SO I CONSIDER THOSE ITEMS, UH, ONLY PARTIALLY COMPLETE.

AND THEN, UM, THE LAST, UH, I HAD A QUESTION ON NUMBER 17.

SO THE BUYERS DON'T BUY, AS I UNDERSTAND IT.

UM, ARE THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST PROVISIONS, UM, APPLICABLE TO THE INDIVIDUALS WHO DO, DO THE BUYING TO ENSURE, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT THEY'RE NOT AWARDING A CONTRACT TO A COMPANY THAT EMPLOYS THEIR, THEIR CHILDREN OR OTHER KINDS OF CONFLICTS OF INTEREST? UM, YEAH.

SO FOR BASICALLY EACH PROCUREMENT, IF THEY HAVE A SELECTION PANEL, OR EVEN IF IT'S MAYBE A MORE DISCRETIONARY LEVEL WHERE IT COULD BE AN INDIVIDUAL BUYER, THERE'S, UH, YOU HAVE TO DO A CONFLICT OF INTEREST FORM THAT, UM, BASICALLY YOU ATTEST THAT YOU DON'T HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST WITH ANY OF THE, UH, VENDORS THAT ARE BEING CONSIDERED, UM, AS PART OF THE PANEL, FOR EXAMPLE.

SO, UM, I MEAN, I'VE HAD TO DO THAT MULTIPLE TIMES AS PART OF PANELS AS, AS A REVIEWER, DO I HAVE ANY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST, YOU KNOW, WITH ANY OF THE VENDORS THAT ARE BEING CONSIDERED? SO IT IS AT THAT LEVEL, UM, EVEN AT THE, UM, EITHER THOSE THAT ARE SELECTING OR THE BUYER LEVEL, THEY WOULD HAVE MORE, UM, OF AN ATTESTATION AROUND THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

BUT THEN ON THE PRO, IN THE PROGRAM ITSELF, LONG BEACH BUYS AND WORKING WITH THE FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT TEAM, THEY, UM, TYPICALLY DO HAVE MORE OF AN INDEPENDENT PRO OR A ROLE WHERE THEY'RE OVERSEEING TO ENSURE THAT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, COLLECTING THOSE CONFLICT OF INTEREST FORMS, THAT THERE'S NO KIND OF, UM, BIAS THAT'S BEING IN INTRODUCED BY, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ASKING VERY DIFFERENT LEADING QUESTIONS TO SOME OVER OTHERS AND THAT TYPE OF THING.

SO IT'S AN ADDITIONAL LAYER, I THINK, IN THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS THAT HELPS TO, UM, MITIGATE SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS AROUND CONFLICT OF INTEREST TOO.

THAT'S GREAT.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER WEISS.

AND, AND THE LAST THING IS JUST THAT THE AD HOC ON, ON POLICIES HAS IS, IS I NAMED IN HERE A LOT.

SO THAT'S, UM, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS WE'RE JUST GOING NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE THINGS THE CITY THINKS THE AD HOC IS WORKING THAT, THAT THE AD HOC DOES HAVE ON THEIR LIST.

AND I DIDN'T GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS, BUT AGREED.

UM, THANK YOU.

UH, FIRST I'LL SAY, UM, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION, TYLER, UH, I AGREE WITH, UH, VICE CHAIR P*****K ON ITEMS ONE AND TWO THAT I THINK THAT, UH, THERE'S A LITTLE MORE WORK TO BE DONE.

AND OF COURSE, I'LL SUPPORT, UH, COMMISSIONER WISE'S VIEW POINT ON, ON, UH, ITEM NUMBER 13.

BUT THAT DID COME TO MIND THAT I WILL MAKE SURE THAT THIS REPORT, UH, THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER SHOTWELL AND I TAKE A LOOK AT THE OPEN ITEMS AND SOME OF THE OTHERS TO MAKE SURE, UM, THE ORDINANCE THAT ARE ALREADY IN DRAFT AND THE FINAL DO CONTEMPLATE AREAS WHERE WE CAN, UM, PUT IN THOSE, UM, AS YOU SAID, PERHAPS THE, UM, I DON'T WANNA, PERHAPS ENFORCEMENT OR TIME LIMITS, ET CETERA, THINGS THAT CAN, UM, SUPPORT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO, THE INITIATIVES AND, UH, WHERE'S APPROPRIATE ACTUALLY.

UM, SO WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE GO THROUGH THAT.

AND I'LL ASK ALSO THE COMMISSION TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT WHEN YOU'RE, THINK ABOUT THAT WHEN YOU'RE REVIEWING THE, THE, UH, ORDINANCE.

UM, FIRST, GOING TO NUMBER 13 AGAIN, UM, THE THING THAT STOOD OUT FOR ME WHEN I FIRST LOOKED AT THIS WAS THAT THE RECOMMENDATION WAS THAT, UM, COUNCIL MEMBERS SAY, UM, AT EVERY, EVERY MEETING THAT THEY DON'T HAVE A CONFLICT.

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AND I MEAN, I PARTICIPATE ON NONPROFIT BOARDS WHERE THEY CALL FOR THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF A MEETING.

SO I, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD PRACTICE.

AND I, AND I WASN'T AWARE THAT THE LEVINE ACT WOULD REQUIRE THAT, OR THAT WHAT THE CITY WAS DOING WAS ALREADY DOING THAT.

IS IS THAT HAPPENING? WELL, COMPLIANCE WITH THE LEVINE ACT.

UM, OKAY.

BUT I THINK, BUT WHERE THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE RECOMMENDATION AND THE LEVINE ACT IS IT'S NOT AN OVERARCHING ATTESTATION ABOUT CONFLICT OF INTEREST FOR THE ENTIRE MEETING.

IT'S SPECIFIC TO DECISIONS AROUND THINGS LIKE CONTRACTS OR PERMITS.

UM, OKAY.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, I MEAN, I DON'T, I GUESS TO PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE A LITTLE BIT AGAINST THIS RECOMMENDATION IS DO WE NEED TO SAY THAT I DON'T HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST TO SUPPORT, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF A PRESENTATION THAT'S GIVEN ON FROM A COMMUNITY GROUP.

I MEAN, THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF ITEMS THAT, THAT WE SEE IN A COMM A COUNCIL MEETING THAT HAVE NO DECISION POINT WHERE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST DOESN'T EVEN REALLY COME INTO PLAY.

BUT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST DOES COME INTO PLAY WHEN DECISION MAKER HAS A ROLE IN, YOU KNOW, APPROVING A CONTRACT PAYMENT TO A GROUP OR AN ORGANIZATION, THAT KIND OF THING, WHICH IS COVERED UNDER THE LEVINE ACT.

SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE, NO, WE DON'T HAVE A, AN OVERARCHING CONFLICT OF INTEREST ATTESTATION FOR EVERY MEETING, BUT IT'S SPECIFIC TO TYPES OF ITEMS BASED ON LEVINA.

UM, SO YES, IT'S DIFFERENT, BUT, UM, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO GET MORE INPUT ON WHAT WOULD BE THE ADDED BENEFIT OF DOING LIKE A, A BROADER CONFLICT OF INTEREST ATTESTATION BEYOND ITEMS THAT INVOLVE ACTUAL DECISIONS TO BE MADE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

OR THIS COMMISSION OR ANY OTHER COMMISSION GOES INTO A DISCUSSION ON THAT TOPIC, EACH MEMBER INDICATE IT, OR, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY HAS A CONFLICT, THEY STATE IT RIGHT THEN AND THERE BECAUSE YOU COULD NOT BE IN A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC COULD BE OUT OF THE ROOM WHEN THE MEETING STARTS AND MISS THAT DISCUSSION.

WELL, I THINK THAT'S WHERE MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE LEVINE ACT IS TOO LIMITED TO, TO, I MEAN, I CAN'T ENGAGE IN THIS DIALOGUE BECAUSE I DON'T REALLY KNOW THAT MUCH ABOUT THE, THE LEVINE ACT.

WHAT I DO THINK IS THAT, THAT THE, THE CONCEPT OF THE CITY COUNCIL REGULARLY SAYING THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY CONFLICTS WITH THE ITEMS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE DECISIONS ON AT THAT MEETING WOULD BE A GOOD, A GOOD PRACTICE.

AND, AND AS THE AUDITOR SUGGESTED, IT COULD JUST BE DONE, YOU KNOW, SORT OF AUTOMATICALLY AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, LIKE WITH YOUR ELECTRONIC THING.

BUT IT WOULD MEAN THAT BEFORE THE MEETING YOU WOULD HAVE TO, OR YOUR STAFF WOULD HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS IN FACT TRUE.

SO THAT'S WHERE, FOR EXAMPLE, ON THIS ONE, I THINK WE DO NEED TO CONTINUE TO, TO WORK ON THAT.

'CAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT IS IS IS WHAT IS YET IS YET HAPPENING.

AND, AND WE CAN JUST, WE CAN DECIDE.

YOU CAN DECIDE, SOMEONE CAN DECIDE, WELL, WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, WE SAID WE, YOU KNOW, WHEN THIS WAS FIRST, YOU KNOW, RESPONDED TO BACK IN 2020, IT WAS, IT WAS JUST SAID THAT, THAT, UM, THE CITY AGREED WITH AUDITOR'S RECOMMENDATION.

IF, IF THE CITY NOW DOESN'T AGREE WITH IT, THEN YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO GET THAT OUT AND FIGURE OUT WHAT WE ARE GONNA, UH, DO IN, IN RESPONSE TO THE AUDIT'S, UH, CRITICISM.

SO, SO I, I FEEL PRETTY STRONGLY ABOUT THAT ITEM THAT IT STILL NEEDS TO, IT STILL REQUIRES, UM, UH, FURTHER ATTENTION.

UM, AND, AND JUST IF I COULD INTERJECT REAL QUICK, BECAUSE DON'T, DON'T LOSE YOUR TRAIN OF THOUGHT BECAUSE SEPARATE AND APART FROM THE LEVI ACT, AND I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER WHICH ACT IT IS THAT REQUIRES, BUT IF YOU THINK BACK TO THE ETHICS TRAINING THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE EVERY TWO YEARS, THERE'S ALSO A REQUIREMENT THAT IF SOMETHING COMES UP FOR A VOTE THAT YOU HAVE A CONFLICT ON, SAY YOUR HUSBAND WORKS FOR THAT ORGANIZATION, YOU HAVE TO STAY STATE BEFORE THE VOTE IS TAKEN AND YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY LEAVE THE ROOM.

IS THAT THE BROWN ACT THAT I'M THINKING OF? YOU MIGHT BE REFERRING TO AB 1, 2, 3, 4, THAT'S IT.

AB 1, 2, 3, 4.

I KNEW IT WAS SOMETHING.

SO I, THERE ARE A LOT OF SAFEGUARDS THERE, AND, AND I DON'T PERSONALLY, I DON'T KNOW THAT SAYING SOMETHING AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING COVERS EVERYTHING.

WHEN YOU'RE IN A NONPROFIT BOARD, THERE ARE NOT MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THERE AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC COME AND GO FROM THESE MEETINGS.

AND I THINK HAVING IT, IT DESIGNATED JUST AS THE, THE COUNCIL

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I THINK IT'S MUCH MORE INFORMATIVE IF IT HAPPENS WHEN THAT ITEM COMES UP.

UNLESS IT'S CONSENT CALENDAR, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO SAY THAT.

BUT THERE ARE VARIOUS DIFFERENT RULES THAT PERTAIN TO CONFLICT AND PEOPLE EXCUSING THEMSELVES.

UM, BECAUSE I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS ON THE PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION, MY HUSBAND PLAYS IN THE COMMUNITY BAND, WHICH RECEIVES FREE REHEARSAL SPACE IN THE SENIOR CENTER IN RETURN FOR DOING PERFORMANCES IN THE PARK.

AND WHENEVER THAT WAIVER OF FEES CAME BEFORE THE PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION, I HAD TO STATE WHY I HAD A CONFLICT AND THEN LEAVE THE ROOM WHY THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION HAD THE DISCUSSION AND MADE THE VOTE.

SO, AND, AND I KNOW WE'VE HEARD FROM MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL BEFORE THAT THEY HAVE CONCERNS THAT THERE MAY BE THINGS THAT THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW THEY HAVE A CONFLICT ON.

SO THAT WAS WHY THEY WERE VERY THANKFUL THAT THAT, UM, CITY ATTORNEY MCINTOSH HAD MADE AVAILABLE STAFF TO THEM TO LOOK AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE CONFLICTS.

AND I'LL LET YOU GO BACK TO WHAT YOU WERE SAYING.

UM, COUPLE OTHER THINGS.

YOU'VE, UM, ON SEVERAL OF THESE RESPONSES, IT'S INDICATED THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY'S, UM, CURRENTLY REVIEWING THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

I THINK IT'D BE HELPFUL TO FIRST HAVE AN IDEA OF WHEN THAT WILL BE, THAT REVIEW WILL BE COMPLETED.

UM, BUT, BUT SECOND, TO THE EXTENT THAT THESE DEAL WITH THE AUTHORITY OF THE, OF THE COMMISSION, UM, GOING FORWARD, UM, I DO WANNA SUGGEST THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY CONSIDER PARTICIPATING IN SOME OF THE MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE THIS NEW AD HOC, UM, FORM TO CONSIDER.

IT'S, UM, UH, CHAIR MORALES, MYSELF AND, AND, UH, COMMISSIONER SHOTWELL, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LEAVING THE COMMISSION.

UM, OUR TERMS WILL BE OVER, UM, NEXT JUNE.

SO, UM, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS WHERE THAT GROUP IS GONNA WORK ON, AND I THINK IT'D BE USEFUL TO HAVE THE INPUT OF THE CITY ATTORNEY AND THOSE DISCUSSIONS JUST SO MAYBE WE'LL GET SOME ALIGNMENT , UM, IN, IN TERMS OF WHAT RECOMMENDATIONS COME OUT OF, OF, OF THAT.

UM, AND THEN THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY AN AUDIT POINT.

WELL, I DON'T, I, BUT I WANNA SAY IT BEFORE I FORGET IT ON NUMBER 15.

UM, UM, THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE ETHICS, UM, COMMISSION DOING PROACTIVE, UM, AUDITS WHEN ELECTIONS ARE GOING ON.

AND YES, IT'S TRUE.

WE, THIS IS AN ONGOING ITEM, BUT I DO THINK THIS, WE KNOW IN TWO YEARS WE'LL BE HAVING MAYORAL ELECTIONS AND, AND I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE WISE FOR THIS COMMISSION TO A YEAR AHEAD OF TIME DECIDE WHAT KIND OF, WHETHER IT WANTS TO DO THAT AND, AND CONSIDER WHETHER WHAT FUNDING IS NECESSARY AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT STAFFING IS GONNA BE NECESSARY TO, TO DO IT IN A, IN A MEANINGFUL WAY.

SO I GUESS THAT'S SORT OF A PARKING LOT ISSUE, BUT IT'S, UH, ALSO A CALENDAR ISSUE FOR, FOR THIS, UH, COMMISSION, I THINK.

AND THAT'S ALL.

UM, I WANNA SAY, UM, ACCORDING TO THIS, AND I KNOW WE HAVE SOME DEBATE ABOUT SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT BEING COMPLETED THAT WE'VE DONE, 11, I I THINK YOU HAVE 11 OUT OF 25 COMPLETED, AND SOME OF 'EM ARE ONGOING BECAUSE THEY'LL NEVER BE DONE BECAUSE THERE'LL CONTINUE TO BE ELECTIONS AND THINGS HAPPENING OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

SO, UM, AS EVERYONE ELSE WAS, WAS SAYING, UM, NICE WORK GUYS, ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, COULD WE HAVE A VOTE, PLEASE? I'M NOT GETTING A, UM, DID YOU JUST TELL HIM HOW YOU'RE VOTING? YEAH, WE CAN TAKE A VERBAL, I'M VOTING IN FAVOR.

I THINK YOU ARE HERE FOR ITEM NUMBER SIX.

MY SCREEN ISN'T COMING UP.

OH, HOLD ON ONE SECOND.

UM, IN CASE COMMISSIONER VE IS ABLE TO JOIN US, I'M GONNA HOLD ITEM TWO UNTIL THE END OF OUR AGENDA, AND THEN I THINK THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT ARE HERE ARE, OH, HI MICHELLE.

I JUST NOTICED YOU THERE.

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SO LET'S PULL UP ITEM NUMBER SIX IN CONSIDERATION OF THEIR TIME.

CAN I HAVE A MOTION ON THE ITEM BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER COLEMAN, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICTUS, AND I JUST WANTED TO REMIND THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AND THE PUBLIC THAT THIS IS A FIRST READING ON THE REVISED RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE AD HOC.

AS OUR PROCEDURES NOW STATE, WE HOLD ONE READING, AND THEN WE WILL NOT MAKE THE VOTE UNTIL THE SECOND READING.

SO THE EARLIEST THIS COULD COME TO A VOTE BEFORE THE COMMISSION WOULD BE THE AUGUST MEETING.

AND VICE CHAIR, DID YOU WANNA MAKE THE PRESENTATION

[6. 24-54105 Recommendation to receive and file a presentation from the Ad Hoc Committee on the Lobbyist Ordinance regarding draft recommendations for changes to the City’s current lobbyist ordinance. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]

ON THE REPORT? OKAY.

UH, SO, UH, THE AD HOC MET A NUMBER OF TIMES, UH, SUBSEQUENT TO OUR, UH, FEBRUARY MEETING, UM, AND, UH, HAVE MADE A NUMBER OF CHANGES TO THE RECOMMENDATION FROM FEBRUARY OF 2024.

UH, OF, UM, I THINK MOST SIGNIFICANT NOTE, UM, WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THE COMMISSION APPROVE, UH, A, UH, PROPOSAL THAT NONPROFIT 5 0 1 C3 NONPROFITS CONTINUE TO BE EXEMPT FROM, UH, REGISTRATION AND REPORTING UNDER THE LOBBYIST ORDINANCE.

UH, WE HAVE BEEFED UP TO SOME EXTENT THE RECOMMENDED DISCLOSURE BY CITY OFFICIALS.

WE'VE IDENTIFIED CERTAIN CITY LEADERS WHO WOULD ROUTINELY MAKE THEIR CALENDARS PUBLIC ONLINE, AND THEN A NUMBER OF OTHER CITY OFFICIALS WHO WOULD, UH, BE REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN THEIR CALENDARS IN A WAY THAT THEY COULD BE PROVIDED FOR, FOR PUBLIC REVIEW UPON REQUEST, UM, WITHOUT DELAY.

UM, MOST, UH, IN TERMS OF OTHER CHANGES FROM OUR PREVIOUS RECOMMENDATION, UH, WE HAVE CHANGED, UH, THE NAME OF CERTAIN LOBBYISTS.

INSTEAD OF HAVING BUSINESS AND ORGANIZATION LOBBYISTS SEPARATE FROM CONTRACT LOBBYISTS, WE'RE PROPOSING TO COMBINE THOSE TWO CATEGORIES AND CALL ANY LOBBYIST, UH, THAT FALLS INTO EITHER OF THOSE TWO CATEGORIES, A CONTACT LOBBYIST.

THIS WOULD SIMPLIFY THE PROCESS SO THAT THE REGISTRATION REQUIREMENT WOULD BE TRIGGERED BY THE NUMBER OF CONTACTS MADE RATHER THAN ANY, UH, COLLECTION OF HOW MANY HOURS WERE SPENT, UH, WITH CITY OFFICIALS, OR IN PREPARATION FOR MEETINGS WITH CITY OFFICIALS.

CONSISTENT WITH OUR RECOMMENDATION FROM FEBRUARY, UM, WE ARE PROPOSING TO ELIMINATE AN EXEMPTION THAT WAS AVAILABLE TO OTHER NONPROFITS OTHER THAN 5 0 1 C3, UH, NONPROFITS, UH, WHO WERE LOBBYING THROUGH UNPAID, UH, BOARD MEMBERS OR, OR, UH, OR MEMBERS, UH, SO THAT THOSE NONPROFITS WOULD BE REQUIRED TO REGISTER AND REPORT REGARDLESS OF HOW THEY, UH, CONDUCT THEIR LOBBYING.

WORK ON PUTTING TOGETHER THE CHART THAT YOU HAVE ATTACHED TO IT THAT TRACKS THE VARIOUS ITERATIONS OF THIS RECOMMENDATION.

AND FINALLY, UH, ONE THING THAT HAS BEEN IN OUR RECOMMENDATION IN FEBRUARY, 2024 AND REMAINS, AND I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE, UM, THERE WAS NOT IN OUR LOBBYIST ORDINANCE AN EXEMPTION FOR COMMUNICATIONS, UH, REGARDING THE CONTRACTING OR GRANT PROCESS.

AND WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THE FULL COMMISSION APPROVE A NEW EXEMPTION, UM, FOR CONTACTS WITH CITY OFFICIALS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS OR THE GRANT MAKING PROCESS.

AND WE HAVE RECOMMENDED THAT THE, UH, COMMISSION REVIEW, UH, THE, UH, THE ORDINANCE IF PRE PRESUMING THAT OUR RECOMMENDATION IS ADOPTED BY THE FULL COMMISSION AND, UH, BY THE CITY COUNCIL, WE HAVE RECOMMENDED THAT THE FULL COMMISSION TAKE ANOTHER LOOK, UH, WITHIN FIVE YEARS, UH, TO DETERMINE, UH, THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE CHANGES.

AND WITH THAT, SO I'M SURE COMMISSIONER WEISS JOINS ME IN THANKING THE VICE CHAIR FOR ALL OF HER

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UM, HOPEFULLY YOU FOUND THAT USEFUL.

I KNOW THAT WAS A LOT OF WORK FOR HER TO GO BACK TO ALL OF OUR PAPERWORK, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.

MY PLEASURE.

DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE AD HOC? ANY INPUT? GO AHEAD, CHIEF.

UM, FIRST I WANNA SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH.

I THINK I READ THAT THIS IS TWO YEARS IN THE MAKING AND IT SHOWS, I MEAN, WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US NINE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE REAL REASONED IN DETAIL.

I WAS ESPECIALLY ENCOURAGED TO SEE THAT A LOT OF, UH, THE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WAS TAKEN LAST TIME HAS BEEN CONSIDERED, UM, ALSO TO SEE THAT THERE'S BEEN, UM, OUTLINES FOR THE PROCUREMENT, PROCUREMENT AND GRANT MAKING PROCESS.

I, I THINK THAT WAS REALLY FUNDAMENTALLY IMPORTANT, AND I'M REALLY HAPPY TO SEE THAT.

I DID JUST HAVE, UM, A COUPLE JUST CLARIFYING QUESTIONS.

UM, NUMBER ONE, WHEN, AS, AS IT, UH, TURNS TO RECOMMENDATION NUMBER THREE, HAS THERE BEEN ANY, UM, THE LAST BULLET POINT HERE, COPIES OF ANY MATERIALS PROVIDED TO CITY OFFICIALS VIA ANY MEDIUM IN CONNECTION WITH THE CONTACT? HAS THERE BEEN ANY THOUGHT TO, UM, SAY A BUSINESS PROVIDES PROPRIETARY, PROPRIETARY INFORMATION, UM, WAYS THAT THAT INFORMATION CAN BE SAFEGUARDED? UM, I THINK THE LEADERS SHOULD BE WELL INFORMED WITHOUT POSSIBLY THAT INFORMATION BECOMING PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE TO, YOU KNOW, ANYONE WHO GOES AND DOWNLOADS THE FORM.

UM, THAT, THAT DOES BRING ME, UH, A LITTLE CONCERN WITH EITHER, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HIDING INFORMATION AND NOW OUR, YOU KNOW, LEADERS NOT HAVING AS MUCH INFORMATION TO GO OFF OF.

UH, BUT I DO THINK STILL MOST OF THAT INFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED SHOULD BE AVAILABLE, AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.

I JUST WANNA SEE IF THERE'S JUST BEEN ANY THOUGHT ABOUT THAT AT ALL.

GO AHEAD.

I, NO, I THINK THAT, YEAH, IT'S A GOOD ISSUE.

IT IS A GOOD ISSUE.

SO WE'LL TAKE IT BACK UNDER CONSIDERATION AND BRING, BRING BACK SOME THOUGHTS NEXT MONTH.

UM, AND THEN, UM, YEAH, THE, MY SEC AGAIN, I, THE PART, UM, YEAH, THE RECOMMENDATION TO HAVE TRANSPARENCY, UM, WHEN IT'S BEEN BEEFED UP, AND I THINK THIS HAS MADE IT A LOT MORE CLEAR, UM, AND SOMETHING THAT I'M ENCOURAGED ABOUT.

AND I SEE THAT THERE'S BEEN OTHER CITIES, UH, THAT HAVE IMPLEMENTED THIS.

UH, I THINK I JUST WANTED A LITTLE BIT OF CLARIFICATION ON WHAT PUBLIC EVENTS ARE SPEAKING ENGAGEMENTS, UM, IS DEFINED AS, IS THAT IN THEIR CAPACITY OR, I THINK COMMISSIONERS ARE A PART OF THIS AS WELL.

SO IN ANY OF OUR CAPACITIES OF, YOU KNOW, AS A COMMISSIONER, OR IS IT ANY SPEAKING ENGAGEMENTS THAT WE MAY HAVE TAKE FOR INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, I DO A VIRTUAL EVENT WITH MY UNIVERSITY.

NO, IT WOULD BE IN YOUR CAPACITY IF YOU'RE INTRODUCING YOURSELF AS COMMISSIONER COLEMAN OR THEY'RE INTRODUCING THEMSELVES AS COUNCIL MEMBER THAT'S IN THEIR OFFICIAL CAPACITY, AND THAT'S REALLY ALL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS OFFICIAL CAPACITY.

FANTASTIC.

THOSE WERE MY ONLY TWO QUESTIONS, BUT WE MAY NEED TO CLARIFY THAT IN THERE.

YOU TO THE COMMISSION AND THE STAFF I KNOW WHO HAVE BEEN WORKING REALLY HARD, UM, ON THIS ORDINANCE FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS.

THANK YOU FOR THAT THOUGHTFUL INPUT.

COMMISSIONER NIK, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING? COMMISSIONER WEISS, DID YOU WANNA ADD ANYTHING? JUST ONE, ONE THING, AND THIS COMES FROM LOOKING AT THE AUDIT .

UM, I NOTICED THAT RECOMMENDATION NUMBER 24 FROM THE AUDITOR HAD TO DO WITH THE, UM, O YOU KNOW, HAVING THE, UH, CALENDARS OF THE, UM, ELECTIVES OR CITY OFFICIALS AVAILABLE TO COMPARE TO USE IN CONSIDERING WHETHER LO PEOPLE LOBBYING WE'RE ACTUALLY LOBBYING.

SO I JUST THINK IT'S INTERESTING THAT, THAT THE AUDIT MADE THAT RECOMMENDATION, AND IN FACT, THAT'S TURNED OUT TO BE SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE'RE INCORPORATING INTO THIS RECOMMENDATION OR THE SENSE OF IT, I SHOULD SAY.

AND WE MAY WANT TO INCLUDE THAT REFERENCE IN WHATEVER DOCUMENT WE FINALLY SENT.

THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING TOO.

I THINK IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT IN TERMS OF THE HISTORY OF, OF ALL OF THIS TO YEAH, TO POINT THAT OUT, THAT, AND THAT WAS, THAT RECOMMENDATION WAS MADE BY AN OUTSIDE THIRD PARTY WHO WAS, YOU KNOW, HAD STUDIED AND WAS COMPARING WHAT WAS GOING ON IN LONG BEACH TO WHAT'S GOING ON IN OTHER, OTHER JURISDICTIONS.

SO ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISH TO SPEAK? I WAS GONNA SYNOPSIZE WHAT YOU HAD SENT TO HEATHER, BUT SINCE YOU'RE HERE, I'LL LET YOU .

I'M HERE TO SAY THAT.

HI EVERYONE.

UM, I'M MICHELLE BYERLEY, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE NONPROFIT PARTNERSHIP.

SO THANK

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AND I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU ALL FOR ENGAGING IN DIALOGUE AND AROUND REALLY UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE IMPLEMENTATIONS COULD BE FOR NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS, SPECIFICALLY 5 0 1 C3 ORGANIZATIONS.

I KNOW I SHARED A LOT OF INFORMATION WITH YOU MYSELF, AND YOU TOOK TIME TO UNDERSTAND THE SECTOR, AND I KNOW SOME COMMISSIONERS NOT HERE TODAY, UM, AND HERE TODAY HAVE BEEN ON BOARDS AND SHARED THAT FEEDBACK ALSO DURING THE PROCESS.

SO, UM, IT JUST LIFTS UP THE IMPORTANCE OF SERVING WITH NONPROFITS AND HOW THEY SERVE THE BROADER COMMUNITY.

SO I JUST WANNA THANK YOU FOR TAKING THAT PUBLIC FEEDBACK INTO ACCOUNT IN THE DRAFT.

AND I KNOW IT WAS MENTIONED IN THE RECOMMENDATION TO KEEP NONPROFIT 5 0 1 C THREES EXEMPT, UM, PAIRED WITH THE OPEN CALENDARS.

REGARDLESS IF THAT MAKES IT THROUGH IN THE RECOMMENDATIONS, I THINK THE EXEMPTION IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO MAINTAIN THE EQUITY AND ACCESS THAT THE CITY, UM, HAS AND IS A PROPONENT OF.

AND SO, UM, WE KNOW THAT'S CRITICAL TO KEEPING OPEN COMMUNICATION AND, UM, ELIMINATING UNNEEDED BARRIERS.

SO I JUST APPRECIATE YOUR DEDICATION TO TRANSPARENT GOVERNMENT SYSTEMS, CIVIC ENGAGEMENT.

I KNOW THAT'S PART OF OUR DISCUSSIONS HAVE BEEN AROUND THAT AND ALSO REALLY HELPING TO HEAR WHAT THE COMMUNITY WAS SAYING.

I KNOW YOU DID A LOT OF DIFFERENT SESSIONS AROUND THAT AND THEN INCORPORATED THAT INTO THE DRAFT.

SO THANK YOU.

WELL, THANK YOU FOR THE TIME YOU PUT INTO BRINGING PEOPLE FORWARD SO THAT WE COULD HEAR THOSE CONCERNS.

WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU'VE PUT FORWARD AND YOUR MEMBER ORGANIZATION SO THAT WE COULD REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE ISSUES WERE.

I DON'T THINK WE WOULD'VE COME UP WITH AS GOOD A PACKAGE IF WE DID, IF IT HADN'T BEEN FOR THE WORK.

WELL, GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME'S GREGORY JOHNSON.

I'M THE BOARD PRESIDENT OF THE ARTS COUNCIL FOR LONG BEACH.

AND, UH, I AM HERE TODAY TO ECHO WHAT MICHELLE HAS ALREADY SHARED WITH YOU, ALMOST WORD FOR WORD.

WE DO.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR, UH, TAKING OUR INFORMATION BACK, ANALYZING IT, AND GIVING US A VOICE.

IT JUST MEANS, IT MEANS SO MUCH THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WERE HEARD, UH, AS AN ORGANIZATION.

AND JUST TO GIVE YOU FULL CIRCLE, MAKE US A BETTER BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND POLICY MAKERS IN THE ARTS AND CULTURE SECTOR BY EXAMINING THIS ISSUE, TAKING IT APART, AND PUTTING IT BACK TOGETHER AND HONING OUR MINDS SO THAT WE CAN REMAIN LOCKSTEP WITH, UH, THE CITY OF LONG BEACH AS WE, UH, PROMOTE ARTS AND CULTURE.

AND I JUST THANK YOU SO MUCH, UH, FOR MAKING THE CHANGES, THE AMENDMENTS, AND, UH, KEEP ON DOING WHAT YOU DO.

KEEP SUPPORTING THE ARTS.

SEEING NO OTHER COMMENT, CAN WE HAVE A VOTE AND JUST REMEMBER WE'RE JUST ACCEPTING THE REPORT AT THIS TIME.

IT WILL COME BACK FOR A VOTE, HOPEFULLY FOR ADOPTION NEXT MONTH WITH SOME REVISIONS.

WAIT, I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER.

ALL RIGHT, SO LET'S GO BACK, BECAUSE I THINK IN FRONT OF THAT, LET'S GO BACK TO ITEM FOUR, RECOMMENDATION TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO THE AD HOC COMMITTEE ON UPDATED POLICIES REGARDING THE DRAFT ETHICS ORDINANCE PROPOSED TO DATE COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICTUS.

UM, THANK YOU.

UM, SO THIS IS THE, THE TIME THAT WE'D LIKE TO HEAR THE FEEDBACK ON THE USE OF RESOURCES POLICY THAT WE, UM, I'M SORRY, UH, THE, THAT SUBCHAPTER OF THE CODE THAT WAS PRESENTED TO YOU.

OH, SORRY.

YOU HAVE TO DO, I FORGOT TO DO THE MOTION FIRST.

YOU GOT IT THOUGH.

OH, THANK

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YOU.

OKAY, GO AHEAD.

WE'RE OKAY TO PROCEED THE, UM, TO, UM, GET THE FEEDBACK FROM, UH, THE COMMISSION ON THAT SECTION THAT WAS, UH, PROVIDED TO YOU IN OUR LAST MEETING ON USE OF RESOURCES.

AND, UM, AS WE'VE MENTIONED BEFORE, UH, THIS IS NOT THE ONLY OPPORTUNITY THAT YOU WILL HAVE TO GIVE US FEEDBACK, UH, BUT WE WELCOME ANY COMMENTS THAT YOU HAVE AT THIS TIME ON THAT SECTION THAT SUBCHAPTER 4.04.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY FEEDBACK? NOT SEEING, OH, COMMISSIONER WEISS? YEAH, I WENT THROUGH THIS ONCE AND, UM, I HAD ONE THOUGHT, AND MAYBE, MAYBE I MISSED IT, BUT, UM, AND I, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT I, WHAT I THINK ABOUT THIS, BUT HAS THERE BEEN CONSIDERATION, I UNDER UNDERSTAND THAT A, AS A, AS AN ELECTED, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY DEVELOP A, A DATABASE OF, OF, UM,

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OF EMAIL ADDRESSES THAT THEY CORRESPOND WITH.

I THINK YOU, I THINK YOU'VE ACTUALLY SORT OF SIGN, I, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW THOSE ARE MADE UP, BUT IS THAT WHEN THE PERSON IS RUNNING FOR OFFICE, THEN, IS ARE THEY FREE TO USE THAT OR IS THAT A CITY RESOURCE, OR DOES THAT BELONG TO THE, TO THE PERSON WHO DIRECTED THAT TO BE PUT TOGETHER? I, I, THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS.

I, I DON'T HAVE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I THINK ABOUT IT, BUT IT JUST SEEMED TO ME THAT, UM, SO IF THE, IF THE LIST OF ADDRESSES AND CONTACTS IS IN THEIR CITY COUNCIL DATABASE, THAT WOULD BE A CITY RESOURCE.

BUT MOST CANDIDATES KEEP SEPARATE DATABASES ON DONORS AND OTHER CONTACTS IN THEIR CAMPAIGN, SO THEY KEEP TWO SEPARATE DATABASES.

WELL, I GUESS MY QUESTION, AT LEAST THAT'S BEEN MY EXPERIENCE WITH CAMPAIGNS THAT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH.

WELL, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS WHETHER THAT NEEDS TO BE, I DON'T THINK THAT IS, THAT DISTINCTION IS COVERED HERE.

AND MAYBE THAT SHOULD BE COVERED, IF THAT'S, UM, UH, I MEAN, SO, UH, ANY COMMENTS FROM COUNSEL ON THAT ON THAT POINT? SHE'S THINKING SHE MAY HAVE ONE FOR YOU LATER.

YEAH, THAT'S FINE.

I CAN CIRCLE BACK ON THAT, UM, WITH THE AD HOC WHEN WE MEET NEXT.

UM, THANK YOU.

AN ANOTHER, UM, WELL IT MAY, IT MAY FALL UNDER, UM, 4.04030, WHICH IS, WELL, INCIDENTAL USE OF CITY ELECTRONIC INFORMATION RESOURCES.

UM, I, I WAS THINKING THAT PERHAPS THERE SHOULD BE A C ADDED TO THAT, THAT THAT SHOULDN'T HAPPEN WITH REFERENCE TO, UM, CAMPAIGN EFFORTS.

SO, OKAY.

THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE TO THINK ABOUT.

I HAVE SOME, WHAT I'M JUST GONNA CALL KNITS AND GNATS, BUT I'LL JUST, I'LL JUST MARK UP A COPY AND SEND THOSE TO STAFF IF THAT'S OKAY.

THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

UM, IF WE PROVIDED COMMENTS PREVIOUSLY.

WE DON'T NEED TO RESTATE THEM HERE, DO WE? NO.

ARE THEY, AS COMMISSIONER WEISS SAYS, NITS AND GNATS, OR ARE THEY NO, I, I, I HAD MADE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS THE LAST TIME WE LOOKED AT THIS.

OH, IN THE MEETING? YEAH.

NO, YOU'RE GOOD IN THE MEETING.

YOU'RE GOOD.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS FOR COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICTUS? OKAY, SO YOU'LL PROBABLY BRING THIS BACK FOR A VOTE NEXT MONTH, OR NO, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA ROLL THIS ALL UP INTO ONE PACKAGE? YES.

SO IT'S GONNA STILL BE A FEW MONTHS.

ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, CAN WE HAVE THE VOTE PLEASE? ALRIGHT, MOTION CARRIES.

LIMITED TO WHICH ONES WE CAN DISCUSS? NOW WE'RE TALKING NOW COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICTUS IS JUST GONNA QUICKLY PRESENT THE NEW INFORMATION THAT THEY, WE GAVE TO YOU.

CAN I HAVE A MOTION ON ITEM FIVE, RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE A PRESENTATION FROM THE AD HOC COMMITTEE ON UPDATED POLICIES REGARDING CHAPTER 4.05, GIFTS, MEALS, AND ENTERTAINMENT, AND CHAPTER 4.06 USE OF, OH, WE JUST DID USE OF RESOURCES.

THIS ONE, THESE GIFTS? YEAH, THIS IS GIFTS OUTSIDE ACTIVITIES.

THIS IS GIFTS OUTSIDE ACTIVITIES AND TICKET.

THAT'S A TYPO ON THE AGENDA CHAIR.

SO 4.06 IS OUTSIDE ACTIVITIES.

SO CAN WE DISCUSS ALL OF THE ONES THAT THEY SENT US, OR ARE WE NOW

[5. 24-54104 Recommendation to receive and file a presentation from the Ad Hoc Committee on Updated Policies regarding Chapter 4.05 (“Gifts, Meals and Entertainment”) and Chapter 4.06 (“Use of Resources”) of the draft Ethics Ordinance. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]

SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THEN THAT'S OKAY, ANITA, OR DO WE NEED TO LIMIT IT TO GIFTS, MEALS, AND ENTERTAINMENT? I THINK BECAUSE FOR 4.06 IS OUTSIDE ACTIVITIES THAT IT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE.

COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICTUS.

WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICTUS AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER COLEMAN.

COMMISSIONER WEISS, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? NOT AT THIS TIME, NO.

UH, WELL FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU.

THE LAST ONE WENT VERY, VERY SMOOTHLY, DIDN'T IT? UM, UH, AND I WANT TO THANK IN ADVANCE, HEATHER, FOR PUTTING TOGETHER SOME, UH, PRESENTATION MATERIALS FOR YOU TO REVIEW.

UM, I THINK I WILL JUST AS, UH, MY USUAL STYLES TO SPEAK INFORMALLY ABOUT THE, WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING TO YOU, UH, GIFTS, MEALS, AND ENTERTAINMENT IS A, THE NEXT SUB-CHAPTER.

UH, IT WILL CONTEMPLATE ALSO THE TICKETS AND PASSES SECTION THAT HAD BEEN PREVIOUSLY A, UM,

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SEPARATE SUB-CHAPTER.

SO, UM, AND THAT WAS A RECOMMENDATION THAT, UH, COUNSEL HAD, UH, PRESENTED EARLIER AND HAD PROVIDED THE DRAFT.

UH, WE ARE INTERESTED IN YOUR FEEDBACK ON THESE.

UM, LIKE THE OTHER SUB CHAPTERS.

THIS IS SEEKING UNIFORMITY BETWEEN, UH, TO BE CITYWIDE, UM, TO CAPTURE FOR BOTH PUBLIC SERVANT AND OFFICE HOLDER.

UM, AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY NEW MATERIAL, UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE GIFTS, MEALS, AND ENTERTAINMENT, UM, THAT YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY REVIEWED IN THE, IN THE HANDBOOKS OR IN THE TOOL TOOLKITS.

UM, WE HAVE TAKEN, UM, CARE TO ADD, UH, SECTIONS INVOLVING, UM, NO GIFTS SHOULD IN BE INTENDED TO, UH, INFLUENCE OFFICIAL ACTS, WHICH WOULD CONTEMPLATE, UH, BRIBERY AND CIVIL AND CRIMINAL KICKBACKS.

AND LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE WE MIGHT, UM, UM, I, THERE'S, YEAH, I THINK MOST OF THE INFORMATION IS FAMILIAR TO YOU ALL.

I THINK THAT THE SECTION ON NO GIFTS FOR SUBORDINATES AND THOSE CANDIDATES FOR EMPLOYMENT, I THINK THAT IS A NEW SECTION ALSO THAT WE HAD NOT, UM, UM, HAD PREVIOUSLY.

UM, UH, IN, IN, IN THE SECTIONS ON GIFTS, IT WAS PRIMARILY, I'LL JUST SAY A, UH, REPEAT OF THE FPPC RATHER THAN INCORPORATING SOME OF THE CITY STANDARDS IN WHAT IS CURRENT PRACTICE.

AND LET'S SEE AS TO THE TICKETS.

UM, AGAIN, I MENTIONED THAT IT WAS, UM, PREVIOUSLY DRAFTED BY COUNCIL, AND I THINK YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THIS.

THIS SECTION IS THE, CREATES THE LATITUDE, UH, THAT THE FPPC ALLOWS, UH, WHERE PASSES AND TICKETS CAN BE, UM, UM, ACCEPTABLE GIFTS RATHER THAN EXCLUDED.

AND AS LONG AS WE HAVE, UH, DEFINED PROCESSES, WHICH I THINK THIS SECTION IS TRYING TO CREATE, UM, WE SHOULD BE, WE SHOULD BE COVERED THERE.

THE LAST PIECE ON OUTSIDE ACTIVITIES IS, I'LL JUST SAY A, A PIECE THAT IS NEAR AND DEAR TO ME.

UM, THE OUTSIDE ACTIVITIES ARE CURRENTLY ALSO COINED AS COLLATERAL EMPLOYMENT IN POLICY 1.7 WITH THE CITY.

AND, UM, DURING OUR RESEARCH, UH, COMMISSIONER SHOTWELL AND I NOTICED, UM, UH, THAT THERE SEEMED TO BE LOW ADHERENCE AND AWARENESS OF THIS POLICY.

AND, UH, DOING A LITTLE BIT OF MORE RESEARCH, I FOUND THAT, UH, AUDITOR DODD HAD DONE A REPORT, RELEASED THE REPORT IN 2019 ABOUT COLLATERAL EMPLOYMENT AND, AND THE PRACTICES WITHIN THE CITY.

AND THIS NEW SECTION ON OUTSIDE ACTIVITIES WE'RE HOPEFUL DOES NOT, UH, BASED ON WHAT WE'VE READ, IT DOESN'T CONFLICT COLLIDE OR COMPETE WITH THE CURRENT POLICY.

AND IF ANYTHING WOULD BE, UH, EXTENDS ACROSS CITYWIDE AND, UH, RAISES SENSITIVITY, WE HOPE ON CONFLICT OF COMMITMENT AND THE TYPES OF CONFLICTS OF INTEREST THAT CAN COME ABOUT WITH OUTSIDE EMPLOYMENT OR, UM, OTHER, UH, EVEN UNPAID ACTIVITIES.

SO, UH, IF WE WOULD, UH, GIVE THAT SPECIAL ATTENTION IN YOUR REVIEW, THAT'D BE APPRECIATED.

AND WE LOOK FOR YOUR COMMENTS BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING IF TIME PERMITS, BUT WE, WE WILL GIVE YOU SOME NOW IF WE HAVE SOME.

OH, OKAY.

DO YOU HAVE ANY? THAT'D BE FINE.

COMMISSIONER OR VICE CHAIR? UM, UH, UH, THE GIFTS FROM LOBBYISTS, I WAS, UH, WONDERING WHETHER WE SHOULD EXPAND THAT OR WHETHER YOU'D CONSIDERED EXPANDING THAT TO THE FIRMS THAT EMPLOY THE LOBBYISTS.

UM, WE WILL, UH, I WILL, UH, FRANKLY, UH, IN ALL CANDOR, UH, WE LOOK TO YOU ALL TO GIVE US, UM, SPECIFIC FEEDBACK ON THAT SECTION.

SO THANKS THAT EMPLOY THE LOBBYISTS.

GOT IT.

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COMMISSIONER COLEMAN? I THINK I'M, I'M STILL WORKING IT OUTTA MY BRAIN HERE.

YOU, YOU GOT TIME? OKAY.

YOU HAVE SOMETHING? OKAY.

I HAVE A FEW.

ON THE, UH, MEALS GIFTS FIVE 4.0, 5.2, IS COMPTROLLER AN APPROPRIATE TERM TO USE FOR THE CITY OF LONG BEACH? DO WE HAVE A COMPTROLLER? I, I'M, I'M NOT THINKING WE HAVE ONE.

I DON'T BELIEVE SO.

I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT TERM BECAUSE BASICALLY ISN'T, I MEAN, WE HAVE AN AUDITOR, THE AUDIT, THE AUDITOR DOESN'T PAY BILLS THAT GOES THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.

RIGHT? THE WHAT, SORRY? WHO, WHO PAYS THE BILLS IN THE CITY? WELL, UM, ALL OF THE PAYMENTS DO.

WHO WRITES THE CHECKS? WELL, THE DEPARTMENTS, BUT THEN THE, UM, THE AUDITOR DOES OVERSEE THE, THE PAYMENTS THAT GO OUT.

SO THEN THAT SHOULD BE THE AUDITOR, NOT THE COMPTROLLER.

UHHUH .

UM, HOLD ON.

I GOT A COUPLE, ONE OTHER OKAY.

ON THE, UH, GIFTS FROM SUBORDINATES.

I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO HAVE A SECTION ON LOANS TO SUBORDINATES, BECAUSE THERE, THERE CAN BE TIMES, I MEAN, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THERE SHOULDN'T BE GIFTS FROM MANAGERS TO SUBORDINATES, BUT IT IS QUESTIONABLE IF A, IF A MANAGER FINDS OUT THAT A SUBORDINATE IS HAVING TROUBLE MAKING IT, AND THEN THEY MAKE A, A LOAN, A QUOTE UNQUOTE LOAN, AND THEN THAT EMPLOYEE IS BEHOLDEN TO THEM AND THERE AREN'T OTHER EMPLOYEES.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ANOTHER SECTION THAT PROHIBITS MAKING THE MANAGER MAKING LOANS TO THE EMPLOYEES.

YEAH, I, UH, WE ACTUALLY HAD A, A DEEP DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS AND WE, WE DIDN'T, UH, WHEN WE HAD SPOKEN TO TAYLOR ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT, UH, WHETHER OR NOT WE COULD DO THAT, UH, BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL STILL ENGAGE IN THOSE TYPES OF BEHAVIORS, UH, AND THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY SAY MORE THAT IT'S NOT ENCOURAGED, BUT, UH, IF WE WANT TO SAY THAT IT'S PROHIBITED, I THINK THAT THAT I, I FIND IT, EXAMPLE I'M OKAY WITH, WITH LIKE HOLIDAY GIFTS TO MM-HMM.

TO STAFF, BUT ACTUAL LOANS.

EXAMPLE.

BUT AN ACTUAL LOAN.

NO, I'VE, I'VE BEEN IN CIRCUMSTANCES MYSELF AND THAT'S WHAT RESONATED WITH ME.

UH, PEOPLE THAT HELP, UM, AND ALSO DO PERSONAL BUSINESS OUTSIDE, UH, SOMEBODY COMES TO HELP YOUR PLUMBING AND YOU END UP, UH, HAVING A LIEN AND YOU OWE SOMEBODY AND IT ENDS UP BEING SOMEBODY IN YOUR CHAIN OF CHAIN OF COMMAND.

UH, THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE SPOKE ABOUT, BUT WE, WE DIDN'T TOUCH IT.

SO, UM, WE'RE HAPPY TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.

I THINK LIKE YOU IN MY PUBLIC EMPLOYMENT, MM-HMM.

, I DID RUN ACROSS A FEW INSTANCES WHERE, AND, AND YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE IN PUBLIC SERVICE, YOU HAVE AN EMPATHETIC HEART.

AND DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU ARE, PEOPLE WANNA HELP OTHER PEOPLE, BUT SOMETIMES YOU FORGET ABOUT HOW IT LOOKS TO THE OTHER EMPLOYEES AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE PLAYING FAVORITES.

AND SO I THINK IF THERE'S A POLICY THAT SAYS IT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING YOU SHOULD DO AND MAY, AND MAYBE IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE IN THE POLICY, MAYBE IT NEEDS TO BE SOMEPLACE ELSE, BUT I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE ALSO.

AGREED.

UM, ON THE, JUST AS WE REACHED OUT TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS, AS YOU'RE WORKING ON THE TICKETS AND THE PASSES, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD JUST TO RUN THAT LANGUAGE BY THOSE DEPARTMENTS THAT DO REGULARLY HAND OUT TICKETS AND PASSES TO SEE HOW, HOW IT WORKS AND IF THEY HAVE ANY CONCERNS.

AND I DON'T OTHER, I KNOW THE HARBOR DEPARTMENT HANDS OUT TICKETS TO EVENTS DOES DO OTHER OFF.

AND DOES THE UTILITY COMMISSION HANDOUT TICKETS ONCE IN A WHILE IF THEY DO A SPONSORSHIP OF AN EVENT? I'M NOT, OH, SO SORRY.

I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE UTILITIES COMMISSION.

SO MAYBE WE CAN LOOK AND SEE WHAT OTHERS AND THEN, OH, ON THE OUTSIDE ACTIVITIES, YES.

I THINK IT'S GOOD TO SET UP A PROCESS WHEREBY IF SOMEBODY IS GOING TO, UH, DO AN OUTSIDE ACTIVITY, IT HAS TO BE REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THEIR MANAGEMENT CHAIN.

THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT I HAD TO DO IN THE COUNTY IF IT DIDN'T REALLY MATTER WHAT, WHAT WORK IT WAS.

SO I THINK IF WE COULD RECOMMEND THAT A FORM BE DEVELOPED THAT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY YOUR CHAIN OF COMMAND BEFORE YOU ENGAGE IN THAT AND IT BE DONE IN THE COUNTY, IT HAS TO BE DONE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.

, BUT ESPECIALLY, I MEAN, WE USED IT A LOT WITH OUR SOCIAL WORKERS WHO WOULD SOMETIMES WORK ON WEEKENDS WITH OTHER AGENCIES, BUT EVEN WHEN I WAS ON THE COMMISSION, IT, IT GIVES THE, YOUR CHAIN OF COMMAND THAT KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

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E EXCELLENT FEEDBACK.

THAT'S, THAT'S MY COMMON EXPERIENCE TOO.

THE, UH, CURRENT, UH, REQUIREMENT DOES EN ENGAGE MANAGEMENT, BUT IN THE DO REPORT IT EVEN SPEAKS TO MANAGERS DON'T FEEL EQUIPPED TO SOMETIMES RENDER THAT DECISION.

UM, OR IN SOME AREAS THE PROCESS DOESN'T EXIST.

AND, UH, SO THAT'S, UM, UH, MANAGEMENT I THINK IS THE ESSENTIAL FIRST CUT.

AND THEN IT GOES TO, UH, WE, WE, WE ENVISION, UM, IN TIME, UH, 'CAUSE WE'VE GIVEN SOME FEEDBACK, UH, THAT WHEN A CONFLICT OF INTEREST IN PARTICULAR COMES UP, UH, YOU HAVE TO, UH, ENGAGE WITH THE ETHICS OFFICE AND COUNCIL.

BUT IT'S ALSO, IS IT GONNA IMPACT YOUR ABILITY TO PERFORM YOUR DUTIES AS STATED? YEAH.

AND I THINK IT, IT'S NOT UNCOMMON.

I THINK WE'VE ALL EXPERIENCED THIS.

IT'S, IT'S DIFFICULT FOR MANAGERS TO RENDER A NO.

UH, THAT'S A REALLY TOUGH ONE.

BUT THAT'S WHY IN AT LEAST THE AGENCY THAT I, THE, THE COUNTY, IT HAD TO GO UP A COUPLE OF CHAINS.

SO THE INITIAL MANAGER THERE WASN'T ALWAYS THE BAD PERSON.

USUALLY I WAS THE BAD PERSON.

IT'S OKAY.

AND THEIR, THEIR VIEWPOINT.

ON, ON WHAT IS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST VARIES FROM LEVEL TO LEVEL, AND IT, AND IT REQUIRES THAT ENGAGEMENT ALSO.

I MEAN, IF YOU'RE DOING IT RIGHT MM-HMM.

, YOU SHOULD BE HAVING AN ENGAGEMENT OF COMMUNICATION WITH THE EMPLOYEE, RIGHT.

UM, THE FORM CURRENTLY, UM, CAN USE IMPROVEMENT.

UH, IT'S, IT, IT'S, IT'S DOING ITS JOB NOW, BUT I CAN SEE OPPORTUNITIES TO INCREASE THE DIALOGUE OR REQUIRE DIALOGUE.

AND THAT WAS ALL THAT I HAD.

THAT'S GOOD.

UHHUH.

, I'LL, I'LL GET YOU A COPY OF THE FORM FROM THE COUNTY.

THAT'D BE GREAT.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS FOR THE AD HOC? ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? AND ACTUALLY, AND HEATHER, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU OR JORGE WOULD LIKE TO ADD OR COUNSEL TO THE PRESENTATION? OKAY.

, CAN WE HAVE THE VOTE ON THE ITEM PLEASE? THANK YOU.

ALL.

INSTRUMENTAL IN THE DRAFTING AND THE PROPOSAL FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE COMMISSION, JUST TO KIND OF GET HIS IDEAS ON WHY THE LANGUAGE WAS SET UP THE WAY THAT IT WAS BEFORE WE REALLY START MOVING FORWARD.

OKAY, NEXT ITEM UP IS ITEM SEVEN TO RECEIVE AND FILE AN UPDATE ON FROM THE AD HOC ON THE AUTHORITY OF THE COMMISSION.

CAN I HAVE A MOTION ON THAT? PLEASE? HAVE A MOVE BY COMMISSIONER COLEMAN.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICTUS.

AND I'LL JUST GIVE A QUICK REPORT ON THAT AD HOC.

WE HAVE NOT MET YET, UM, BUT WE DO HAVE A REQUEST IN TO COUNCIL MEMBER AUSTIN.

UM, WE HAD HAD A, A DISCUSSION VIA TEXT MESSAGE THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO MEET WITH COM.

UH, COUNCIL MEMBER AUSTIN AS ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO WAS

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SO WE'LL HAVE THAT MEETING PROBABLY AFTER EVERYONE'S VACATION.

CONTIN CAN FINISHES.

SO, ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? CAN WE HAVE THE VOTE ON THE ITEM PLEASE? MOTION.

CARRIE.

RECOMMENDATION TO DISCUSS ANTICIPATED AD HOC COMMITTEES FOR UPCOMING PROJECTS, AND IF APPROPRIATE, TAKE ACTION TO DISSOLVE, CREATE OR REAUTHORIZE AD HOC COMMITTEES.

CAN I HAVE A MOTION ON ITEM EIGHT?

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IT'S BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER.

WE SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER COLEMAN.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY AD HOCS THEY THINK NEED TO BE ADDED? I DON'T BELIEVE ANY OF OUR AD HOCS NEED TO BE DISSOLVED.

ANY DISCUSSION? WE'RE WORN OUT.

ANY ANY PUBLIC DISCUSSION COMMENTS? OKAY.

CAN WE HAVE THE VOTE ON THAT ITEM? OKAY.

CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO HOLD AN ELECTION? DO I HAVE TO HAVE A MOTION ON THE ELECTION OR DO WE JUST DO THE NOMINATIONS? THERE WOULD NEED TO BE

I DON'T THINK THAT COMMISSIONER NOVE IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO JOIN US TODAY.

SO I'D LIKE TO MOVE BACK UP TO ITEM NUMBER TWO.

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AN A NOMINATION AND THEN THE ELECTION.

SHE'S COMMISSIONER P*****K.

SO I DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A MOTION ON THE ITEM THAT'S ON THE AGENDA.

I DON'T THINK SO.

OKAY, .

SO, UM, I JUST WANNA REMIND EVERYONE THAT I WILL CONTINUE CHAIRING UNTIL THE END OF THIS MEETING.

MY CHAIR TERM ENDS AT THE END OF THE MONTH, AND THE NEW CHAIR WILL TAKE OVER IN AUGUST.

I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN NOMINATIONS.

I DECLARE THE NOMINATIONS OPEN FOR ETHICS COMMISSION CHAIR.

EACH MEMBER MAY NOMINATE ONE PERSON FOR CHAIR, INCLUDING YOURSELF.

THESE NOMINATIONS DO NOT REQUIRE A SECOND.

ARE THERE ANY NOMINATIONS FOR THE POSITION OF CHAIR COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICTUS? UH, I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE VICE CHAIR P*****K TO BE OUR, AT THIS POINT.

OH, SHE IS? I SEE.

I'LL SECOND THAT WE DON'T NEED A SECOND, BUT, OKAY.

BUT THAT'S OKAY.

THE RULES.

THAT'S OKAY.

SHE GAVE US THE RULES.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS FOR THE POSITION OF CHAIR THERE BEING NO FURTHER NOMINATIONS.

I DECLARE THE NOMINATIONS CLOSED FOR CHAIR.

UM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING? COMMISSIONER P*****K? SHOULD I WAIT FOR THE VOTE? NO, IT SAYS RIGHT HERE.

UM, I APPRECIATE THE NOMINATION.

I HAVE TO SAY OVER THE COURSE OF, OF, UH, THE LAST TWO YEARS AS VICE CHAIR, I HAVE LEARNED AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT FROM CHAIR MORALES OR ARE YOU COMMISSIONER MORALES? MY COMMISSIONER.

UM, AND, UH, I CAN ONLY, UH, PROMISE THAT I WILL TRY IF, IF ELECTED TO, UH, MEET THE STANDARDS SET BY BOTH OF THE PREVIOUS CHAIRS, MORALES AND COMMISSIONER WISE, THANK YOU.

IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ELECTION? SEEING NONE.

COULD WE HAVE THE VOTE PLEASE? AND I'M NOT ALLOWED TO VOTE, RIGHT? NO, YOU CAN VOTE.

AND WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING AS THE NEWLY ELECTED CHAIR? ? THANK YOU.

AND AGAIN, I WILL, UH, TRY TO MEET THE HIGH STANDARDS SET BY MY PREDECESSORS.

HEATHER, WE, I WAS THINKING AS I WAS WALKING IN, WE NEED A CEREMONIAL GAVEL FOR TIMES LIKE THIS.

I'VE GOT QUITE A FEW.

I I HAVE ONE AT HOME FROM WAY BACK WHEN I WAS IN COLLEGE AND I FORGOT TO BRING IT.

SO I NOW DECLARE THE NOMINATIONS OPEN FOR THE ETHICS COMMISSION VICE CHAIR.

EACH MEMBER MAY NOMINATE ONE PERSON FOR VICE CHAIR, INCLUDING YOURSELF.

THESE NOMINATIONS DO NOT REQUIRE A SECOND.

ARE THERE ANY NOMINATIONS? COMMISSIONER BENEDICTUS? UM, I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE COMMISSIONER COLEMAN AS VICE CHAIR.

COMMISSIONER COLEMAN, DO YOU ACCEPT? YES.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS THERE? BEING NO FURTHER NOMINATIONS.

I DECLARE THE NOMINATIONS CLOSED FOR VICE CHAIR.

COMMISSIONER COLEMAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING? SAY THINGS TWICE.

NO, YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SAY ANYTHING NOW IF YOU DON'T WANT TO.

TO RECEIVE AND FILE A MONTHLY UPDATE FROM THE ETHICS OFFICER.

I'LL SAY SOMETHING THAT, OKAY.

UM, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE.

COULD WE HAVE THE VOTE? MOTION CARRIES.

CONGRATULATIONS.

VICE CHAIR.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS? I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO THE FAITH THAT THE COMMISSION, UM, HAS IN ME.

I KNOW THAT I'VE BEEN HERE THE SHORTEST AMOUNT OF TIME, BUT I LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO LEARN, CONTINUE TO SHARE MY PASSION AND TO CONTINUE TO WORK HARD, UM, NOT ONLY FOR THE COMMISSION, FOR THE STAFF, UM, AS WELL AS THE CITY OF LONG BEACH, UM, AND PROVIDE THE MOST ETHICAL CITY THAT WE CAN HAVE.

SO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OKAY, NEXT UP WE HAVE, CAN I HAVE A MOTION ON ITEM NINE? RECOMMENDATION

[9. 24-54108 Recommendation to receive and file a monthly update from the Ethics Officer. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]

IT'S BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICTUS AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER COLEMAN.

THANK YOU CHAIR, AND CONGRATULATIONS TO OUR NEW OFFICERS.

JUST A COUPLE QUICK UPDATES THIS MONTH.

UM, A REMINDER THAT, UH, MARLA IS COMING BACK NEXT MONTH TO GIVE THEIR FINAL PRESENTATION.

SO, UM, JORGE AND I CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THEM AS THEY FINALIZE, UH, THAT PRESENTATION.

I ALSO JUST THIS AFTERNOON, UM,

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RECEIVED THE UPDATED VIDEO FROM, UH, TI OUR, OUR NEW CODE OF CONDUCT TRAINING.

UNFORTUNATELY, I GOT BUMPED TO THE END OF THE LINE.

THERE WERE BIGGER PRIORITIES.

I REALLY WANTED TO HAVE THAT BY JUNE 26TH BECAUSE WE ALL, MOST OF US GOT REMINDED AGAIN ON JUNE 26TH OF, UM, IT'S TIME TO TAKE THE TRAINING AGAIN.

HOWEVER, UM, ONCE I'LL REVIEW IT AND ONCE IT FINALIZES, UM, OR ONCE IT'S FINALIZED, I HOPE TO LAUNCH THAT NEXT WEEK.

UM, BUT EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

UM, WITH THAT, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ME TO, UM, REVISIT THE COMMISSIONS, UH, WITH THE NEW TRAINING.

UM, AND JEFF FROM THE MAYOR'S OFFICE IS INTERESTED IN BEING PART OF THAT ROADSHOW WITH ME AGAIN.

SO WE'LL START DOING THAT.

UM, I'VE ALREADY STARTED WORKING WITH DEPARTMENTS TO GET THEIR IN-PERSON TRAININGS IN PLACE.

UM, SO EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

AND I THINK THE, OH, AND THEN I SHARED THIS LAST MONTH, BUT, UM, WE DO, WE'VE GOT WORKING WITH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND OTHER OFFICES, UM, TO DO THE LIAISON TRAINING, THE COMMISSION LIAISON TRAINING THAT IS VERY MUCH NEEDED.

SO WE'RE GONNA DO THAT AT THE END OF AUGUST.

AND THEN I AM COLLABORATING WITH THE TRAINING COORDINATOR IN TECHNOLOGY AND INNOVATION TO CREATE A TRAINING COORDINATOR GROUP, UM, TO REALLY BRING TOGETHER ALL OF US THAT ARE IN CHARGE OF THESE EDUCATION PROGRAMS AND, UM, JUST IDENTIFY, YOU KNOW, WAYS OF DOING THINGS THAT WE HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT YET, UM, ET CETERA.

SO I'M EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

THANKS.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HEATHER? I HAVE ONE.

UM, LAST YEAR WITH THE TRAINING, WE HAD A PROBLEM BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE WEREN'T YET SIGNED UP TO LEARN TO THE, TO THE SOFTWARE PROGRAM.

YOU KNOW, THEY HADN'T REGISTERED.

DO WE HAVE A, DO YOU, DO YOU KNOW WHAT PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE ARE NOW REGISTERED WITH THE LEARN APP? ABOUT 91%.

SO IT'S GREAT.

SO WE'VE MADE SOME PROGRESS.

THAT'S GREAT.

THANKS.

AND YOU KNOW WHO THE OTHER 9% ARE AND GOOD IDEA.

THEY, THEY GIVE ME HIGH LEVEL INFORMATION, SO I GUESS, AND THEY SHAKE THEIR HEAD YES OR NO.

THANKS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR HEATHER? COMMISSIONER BENEDICTUS? YES.

UM, I'D LIKE TO HEAR A LITTLE BIT MORE BRIEFLY ABOUT THE, UH, COMMISSION LIAISON TRAINING.

IS, IS THAT TO ADDRESS, IS IT ONLY ETHICS AND, UH, YOU KNOW, AWARENESS OF THE RULES? OR IS IT A LITTLE BROADER? AND, UM, IS IT, WILL IT BE ADDRESSING SOME OF THE ISSUES WE'VE SEEN THIS YEAR? YES.

SO IT IS A BROADER TRAINING.

UM, IT'S, IT'S BECOME QUITE OBVIOUS TO ME AND TO OTHERS THAT THE LIAISONS ARE JUST THROWN INTO THESE POSITIONS SOMETIMES WITHOUT PROPER TRAINING.

UM, OR, YOU KNOW, GOING OVER, UM, THE COMMISSION HANDBOOK, UM, ET CETERA.

THE DIFFERENT RULES AND REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE APPLICABLE TO DIFFERENT COMMISSION MEETING, UH, BROWN ACT, UM, ET CETERA.

SO THIS IS REALLY AN OPPORTUNITY TO KICK OFF WHAT I HOPE WILL BE AT LEAST A BIANNUAL EVENT WHERE THE MAYOR COMES AND SAYS, HI, THANK YOU FOR, UM, SUPPORTING THESE COMMISSIONS.

THE CITY ATTORNEY WILL PRESENT ALL THE DIFFERENT, UM, REQUIREMENTS TO BE MINDFUL OF, UH, THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE WILL DO THE SAME.

UM, WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT TRAININGS THAT HAVE BEEN LAUNCHED IN THE LAST COUPLE MONTHS, I THINK FOLKS AUTOMATICALLY ASSOCIATE THAT WITH ME.

AND THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS, UM, ABOUT THESE TRAININGS AND WHY.

UM, SO JUST A GOOD REMINDER OF THE MAYOR'S MISSION TO, UM, BUILD OUT THAT TRAINING CURRICULUM.

AND OF COURSE, ETHICS IS IN THAT CURRICULUM.

UM, SO YEAH, JUST, I JUST, IT'S A GOOD OPPORTUNITY, UM, FOR THESE FOLKS TO JUST GET CONNECTED TO EACH OTHER AND UNDERSTAND WHAT RESOURCES THEY HAVE AVAILABLE TO THEM.

I NEEDED THAT BASELINE.

A LOT OF US.

I'M SO I'M EXCITED ABOUT IT.

, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, SEEING NO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC IN THE AUDIENCE? CAN WE HAVE THE VOTE ON THE ITEM PLEASE? MOTION CARRIES.

IT'S BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER COLEMAN SECOND AND BY COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICTUS.

CAN I HAVE A MOTION ON THE RECOMMENDATION TO DISCUSS POTENTIAL AGENDA ITEMS FOR FUTURE COMMISSION MEETINGS?

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UM, COMMISSIONER WEISS ALREADY BROUGHT UP THAT SHE'D LIKE THE LEVINE ACT WOVEN INTO SOME OF THE PRESENTATIONS THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE IN THE FUTURE.

IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE SOMEBODY WOULD LIKE TO ADD? COMMISSIONER COLEMAN? I DON'T HAVE NECESSARILY TO ADD, BUT DO WE HAVE A TIMETABLE ON THAT? I THINK WE'VE ALL HAVE RECEIVED A LOT OF PUBLIC COMMENT.

[10. 24-54109 Recommendation to discuss potential agenda items for future Commission meetings. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]

UM, THAT HAS PROBABLY PROMPTED THAT, UM, CONVERSATION.

I JUST WANNA KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT IT THE LAST MEETING AND WE WERE GONNA GIVE YOU A COUPLE MORE.

ARE YOU COMING BACK IN SEPTEMBER OR OCTOBER? I, I FEEL LIKE SEPTEMBER, BUT PHILIP WILL HAVE TO REMIND ME 'CAUSE HE AND I ARE GONNA WORK TOGETHER ON THAT, I BELIEVE.

YEAH, THAT WAS THE LAST CONVERSATION WE HAD THAT WE WERE POTENTIALLY THINKING ABOUT AUGUST, BUT THEN WE KICKED IT FURTHER DOWN THE LINE TO, UM, I, I BELIEVE IT WAS IT THE LOBBYISTS THAT WE WERE FIRST GONNA GO IN THEN RECONVENE FOR TO SEPTEMBER.

TO SEPTEMBER FOUR.

YEAH, TO SEPTEMBER.

BECAUSE WE KNOW WE HAVE A REALLY, WE HAVE A HEAVY AGENDA IN AUGUST, SO, AND THAT GAVE THEM A LITTLE MORE TIME TO REALLY PREPARE EVERYTHING.

NO PROBLEM.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE, UH, ADDRESSING THE PUBLIC COMMENT.

YOU'LL START SEEING THE LIST OF THE PARKING LOT.

HOPEFULLY HE LIKES, UH, TEAMS. .

ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT.

CAN WE HAVE A VOTE ON THE ITEM, PLEASE? ALL RIGHT.