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GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYBODY.

WE WILL CALL TO ORDER THE MEETING OF THE FINANCE AND APPEALS COMMITTEE AT 3:04 PM ON WEDNESDAY, A THURSDAY, AUGUST 8TH, 2024.

UH, STEVE, WOULD YOU DO THE WORLD CALL, PLEASE? YES.

UH, COMMISSIONER REDFIELD HERE.

COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON.

PRESENT.

COMMISSIONER SMITH.

SHE'S NOT HERE.

SHE'S EXCUSED.

EXCUSED, ABSENCE.

THANK YOU.

UH, AND I THINK WE CAN BEGIN, UM, UH, WITH OUR REGULAR AGENDA.

WE'LL GO TO ITEM NUMBER ONE, UH, RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE PARTS RECREATION COMMITTEE FINANCE APPEALS COMMITTEE OF JULY 11TH.

SO MOVED.

THANK YOU.

I'LL SECOND, UM, APPROVE THE RECOMMEND.

OH, I, UH, BUT I DO HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.

LOOKS GOOD TO ME.

I WASN'T HERE, BUT ANY FROM STAFF, UH, FROM THE PUBLIC, UH, HEARING NONE, WE WILL, UH, WE HAD A MOTION BY, UH, COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON, UH, SECOND BY PRESIDENT REDFIELD.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE.

AND THAT'S IT.

OKAY.

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO.

RECOMMENDATION TO DISCUSS FEE WAIVER REQUESTS RECEIVED BETWEEN JULY 11TH AND AUGUST 7TH.

UH, DO I HEAR A MOTION? OH, YES.

I WILL MOVE TO DISCUSS.

OKAY.

DOES THAT NEED A SECOND? YES, I SECOND.

THANK YOU.

AND LET'S HAVE A DISCUSSION, MA'AM.

MR. CHAIR.

COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE FIVE REQUESTS ON BEHALF OF THE COMMUNITY.

UM, THE FIRST ONE IS THE BEHAR GARDENS HIGH SCHOOL.

UM, THEY WANT TO HOST A CROSS COUNTRY MEET AT ELRA PARK EAST AREA THREE, AND ALSO THE USE OF GOLDEN GROVE, UM, PICNIC AREA ON OCTOBER 19TH.

UM, THEY'RE REQUESTING $1,537 AND 50 CENTS TO BE WAIVED AND APPLICABLE.

STAFF CHARGES OF 120, UH, DOLLARS, AND THEY EXPECT ABOUT 1200 IN ATTENDANCE.

UM, IS THAT A NEW GROUP ON THIS SIDE? UM, IT IS NOT A NEW GROUP.

I BELIEVE THEY USED OUR FACILITIES BEFORE.

UM, BUT UH, I DUNNO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

NO.

OKAY.

UM, BUT IT, I, ACCORDING TO THE APPLICATION, IT DOESN'T, UH, SEREN CRUZ IS INCLUDING, SO THEY HAVE RUNNERS FROM LONG BEACH WILSON, BUT THEY ONLY SPECIFY LONG BEACH WILSON, UM, IN HERE.

UM, THE NEXT FROM, FROM LONG BEACH WILSON.

YEAH.

SO THEY'RE FROM BELL GARDENS.

THIS IS BELL GARDENS HIGH SCHOOL.

RIGHT.

OKAY.

I MEAN, THEY JUST HAVE THE, BECAUSE IT'S THE REGIONAL PARK, WE, WE KIND OF HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT IT, BUT WE ACCEPT AN APPLICATION TO WAIVE IT IN LONG BEACH BECAUSE IT'S THE REGIONAL PARK.

IF THEY WERE ASKING DO THIS AT REC, THEY WOULDN'T BE LONG BEACH BASED.

WELL, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE IT DOESN'T.

OKAY.

NO, THE REGIONAL PARK DOESN'T PUT IT IN THE REGIONAL PARK.

I AGREE.

YEAH.

BUT IF THEY WANTED TO DO IT AT REC, AT REC PARK, IT'S ALL THE SAME PARAMETERS.

OH, OKAY.

YEAH.

SO, UM, I THOUGHT AT SOME POINT WE ONLY WAIVE FEES FOR LONG BEACH BASED.

WELL, NO, THAT IS, UH, PER THE POLICY WE DO.

UM, BUT THE COMMISSION HAS THE RIGHT, I KNOW WE'VE DONE IT, BUT WE PREFER, BUT I THOUGHT IN THE REGIONAL PARK, BECAUSE OF ALL THE FUNDING AND EVERYTHING, WE CAN'T DENY NO, NO.

YOU, YOU, YOU COULD.

ABSOLUTELY.

ALRIGHT.

SO THERE WAS CONCERN IF I COULD JUST STATE FROM LAST YEAR OF THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THEY HAD.

UM, AND THE STAFF DID CAME TO 12 HUNDRED'S A LOT.

12 HUNDRED'S A LOT.

AND IT IS, UM, IT WAS PRIMARILY OUTSIDE SCHOOLS.

OKAY.

SO WAS THERE DATA OR, UM, THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT CONTROL.

UM, BECAUSE THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE, UM, IN THE, THE AREA AND PARKING, UM, SO IF ANYTHING, AND IT WOULDN'T BE APPLICABLE THAT WE MIGHT GO BACK AND CHARGE THEM MORE STAFF TO CONTROL THE AREA, WHICH IS NOT WAVEABLE BY COMMISSION.

RIGHT.

UM, BUT THERE WAS CONCERNS FROM STAFF.

SO WOULD YOU LIKE US TO MAKE THAT PART OF THE EVENTUAL MOTION THAT WE ARE OKAY WITH THAT OR IS THAT JUST A STAFF CALL THAT WE TRUST YOU TO DO THAT? THAT WOULD BE MY GUESS.

THAT WOULD BE A STAFF CALL.

OKAY.

UM, WHAT COMMISSION WOULD BE ACTING UPON IS THE, IS THE, THE, THE PERMIT FEES AND CORRECT.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

UM, SO THE NEXT THING YOU COULD CERTAINLY SUGGEST THOUGH, THAT STAFF REMIND STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS.

YEAH.

AND WILL WE WANNA MENTION THIS AT THE, UH, FULL COMMISSION MEETING OR NOT NECESSARY? YES.

CAN YOU MENTIONED AT THE FULL COMMISSION MEETING.

I DO THAT AMOUNT OF PEOPLE.

OKAY.

AND PARKING ISSUES AS WELL AS ENTRY ISSUES.

OKAY.

UM, THE NEXT ONE IS ON BEHALF OF CENTRAL CHILD THAT WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH.

THIS IS, UH, A S EVENT ON SEPTEMBER 15TH AT PARK.

IT'S THE USE OF THE EE AS WELL AS A SOCIAL HALL.

IT'S A COMMUNITY EVENT.

THEY'RE REQUESTING $980 IN FACILITY PERMIT FEES TO BE WAIVED.

UM, $540 IN APPLICABLE STAFF CHARGES WITH ATTENDANCE OF 260.

UM, THE NEXT ONE IS THE LONG BEACH AREA VETERANS COLLABORATIVE.

THIS IS A NEW GROUP.

UM, AND THEY'RE

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REQUESTING THE USE OF VETERANS PARK AND IT'S A COMMUNITY EVENT.

AND THE COMMUNITY EVENT IS CALLED A VETERANS STAND DOWN.

UM, IT'S $375 A FACILITY PERMIT FEES TO WAIVE ZERO APPLICABLE STAFF CHARGES.

UM, CAN YOU TELL US A LITTLE ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS? STAND DOWN.

I'M LOOKING ON THEIR APPLICATION AND IT, IT SAYS TO DELIVER A VETERAN'S STAND DOWN ON OCTOBER 16TH.

IT'S IN SUPER LAKE ONE FONT, THE LONG BEACH AREA VETERANS COLLABORATIVE IS A NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATION PLAYING A LEAD ROLE IN BRINGING TOGETHER VARIOUS VETERAN ORGANIZATIONS TO DELIVER THE VETERAN STAND DOWN SO I CAN GET MORE INFORMATION FOR THAT AND DELIVER THAT SOUNDS LIKE GETTING THEM BACK INTO TOGETHER IN, WELL, HELPING THEM REACCLIMATE AFTER BEING OUT OF TOWN, WHAT DO, WHAT DO YOU GOT ACCORDING TO THE US DEPARTMENT OF LABOR, STAND DOWNS ARE TYPICALLY ONE TO THREE DAY EVENTS PROVIDING SUPPLIES AND SERVICES TO HOMELESS VETERANS.

OH.

SUCH AS FOOD, SHELTER, CLOTHING.

WE WOULD CERTAINLY SUPPORT THAT.

I WOULD.

OH, OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THE NEXT IS ON BEHALF OF PARTNERS OF PARK AMI BAY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

THIS IS, OH WAIT A MINUTE, JUST INTERRUPT.

OH MY, THERE'S ANOTHER DEFINITION.

OH, THAT SAYS IT'S STAND DOWN MEANS TO GO OFF DUTY OR RELAX.

RIGHT.

BUT I, I I'M GUESSING THE, THE FIRST, THE, THE LATTER.

THE, THE FORMER.

FORMER.

THE FORMER, YEAH.

SO JUST KNOW THOUGH THAT THERE WAS DIFFERENT DEFINITION AS WELL.

I DON'T PROFESS TO KNOW WHICH ONE IS.

YEAH.

I'M GONNA GO WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF LABOR.

I'M GONNA GO WITH THAT ONE.

SO THE NEXT IS ON BEHALF OF PARTNERS PARKS, ALIMO BAY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS NOT IN A GROUP AND NOT AN EVENT.

THEY'RE USING THE BIXBY PARK OPEN SPACE FOR A HALLOWEEN FESTIVAL ON OCTOBER 27TH, $375 IN FACILITY PERMIT FEES TO BE WAIVED IN ZERO APPLICABLE STAFF CHARGES.

AND THEY EXPECT 400 ATTENDANCE AND COMMISSIONERS.

IF I MAY MAKE A NOTE TO THIS, THIS WAS ONE OF THE, UM, FEE WAIVERS THAT AUDIENCE MEMBER, UM, OH, WAS THERE LAST MONTH.

OH, WAS THERE LAST MONTH.

BUT THEIR PAPERWORK ON THEIR BEHALF, THEIR BEHALF WAS NOT EXECUTED FOR US TO BRING IT TO COMMISSION.

SO WE WORKED WITH THE GROUP TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY GOT THEIR NEEDS TO APPLY FOR THE GRANT THAT SHE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT.

UM, AND, AND EVERYTHING WORKED OUT.

WONDERFUL.

GOOD.

THANK YOU.

YOU'RE VERY WELCOME.

AND THEN LASTLY, THE FRIENDS OF WILLOW SPRINGS PARK.

UM, IT'S A WILLOW SPRINGS EXPERIENCES, SO IT IS A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT EVENTS.

UM, FROM 9 22 TO 10 27, UM, COMMUNITY EVENTS IN THE OPEN SPACE.

UM, $1,290 TO BE WAIVED AND ZERO APPLICABLE STAFF CHARGES.

AND THEY EXPECT ANYWHERE BETWEEN 22 AND 45 PEOPLE IN 10 WILL.

VERY SPECIFIC.

WILL CHRIS, UH, SHAZ NEED TO BE, UM, UM, EXCUSED FOR THIS ONE SINCE HE'S ON THEIR BOARD AND IS HE SPRINGS? YEAH, I KNOW HE'S ATTENDED EVENTS AND PERHAPS IF HE IS, WE'LL CHECK WITH THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

UM, WE USUALLY TAKE A PRETTY CONSERVATIVE APPROACH AND JUST SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, JUST, YEP.

I KNOW YOU TAKE ME OUT ALL THE TIME, .

AND THAT'S TYPICALLY THE RESPONSE WE GET.

BUT THE, THE LETTER OF THE LAW IS IF THERE'S A FINANCIAL GAIN BY TAKING THE ACTION FOR NEITHER OF US IS THERE, BUT I DO THINK IT'S SAFEST TO JUST RECUSE.

AND I THINK WHAT THEY, WHAT THE CLERK HAS NOW SAID THAT YOU SIT OUT FOR ALL OF THEM.

YOU DON'T PULL 'EM OUT LIKE WE USED TO AND APPROVE FOR AND THEN TAKE THAT ONE OUT.

OH, REALLY? THAT, THAT'S THE WAY WE STARTED DOING IT.

'CAUSE YOU HAD TO SIT OUT FOR THE WHOLE THING IF THERE WAS A, IF THERE WAS A LIBRARY OR RIGHT, RIGHT.

BUT I DIDN'T, I JUST WENT FOR THE ONE.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

OKAY.

SO COMMISSION JUST, UH, I GAVE YOU THE RANGE OF DATES, BUT THEY'RE REQUESTING SIX SEPARATE DATES.

MM-HMM.

, UM, TO HAVE THEIR SMALL GROUP ACTIVITIES, GOOD ACTIVATION, AND THAT GROUP IS GROWING, SO I BE SUPPORTIVE.

AND THEN COMMISSIONERS, WE ALSO HAD A SECOND MEMBER OF THE AUDIENCE REQUEST, UM, ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AS HER PERMANENT WAS NOT ON IT.

AND AGAIN, THAT GROUP'S APPLICATION, UM, WAS NOT PROCESSED ON THEIR END.

UM, SO THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T COME FORWARD AS A FEE WAIVER.

DO THEY HAVE TIME? THEY HAD TIME.

IT WAS JUST INCOMPLETE, BUT, BUT THEY, IF THEY COME NEXT MONTH, UM, UM, NO, ACTUALLY THAT, UH, PERMIT HOLDER DECIDED TO, UH, POSTPONE HER EVENT.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU FOR FOLLOWING UP.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

UM, ANY, UH, COMMENTS? QUESTIONS? OKAY.

ANYTHING FROM THE PUBLIC HEARING? NONE.

WE ADD A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER REDFIELD.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE.

OKAY.

ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY.

UM, NEXT WE HAVE, LET'S SEE HERE.

ITEM, UH, GO TO ITEM NUMBER THREE.

UH, I DEFER TO MY DEAR FRIEND.

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I DO YOU WANNA MAKE A MOTION FIRST? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE AN UPDATE.

THANK YOU.

AND I WILL SECOND.

OKAY.

PERFECT.

SO THANK YOU CHAIR.

UH, SO, UH, FOR THE MONTHLY, UH, LOSS REPORT FOR THE MONTH OF JULY, UH, IT WAS A VERY ACTIVE MONTH IN TERMS OF, UH, VANDALISM.

HOWEVER, I AM VERY HAPPY TO SAY, DESPITE THE ACTIVITY, IT'S A VERY SMALL DOLLAR VALUE THIS YEAR, THIS MONTH.

EXCELLENT.

UH, JUST ABOUT 11 AND A HALF THOUSAND DOLLARS.

OH, THAT'S PRETTY GOOD FOR SUMMER.

BUT, BUT THERE IS A LOT OF ACTIVITY.

YEAH.

UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, JUST READING, I'M GONNA READ YOU SOME FROM THE FIRST PAGE JUST TO KINDA SHOW THAT IT'S, THERE IS NO TYPICAL VANDALISM.

YES.

WE'RE ALWAYS GONNA SEE THINGS ABOUT LOCKS AND WE'RE GONNA SEE THINGS, BATHROOMS, BATHROOMS AND COPPER.

BUT YOU KNOW, HERE WE HAVE A, UH, BACKFLOW THAT WAS CUT, UH, THAT WE HAD TO GO OUT AND REPAIR.

WE HAD A BROKEN TETHER BALL POLE.

UM, YOU KNOW, NOT VERY EXPENSIVE, BUT STILL SOMETHING THAT HAD BEEN TAKEN OUT OF COMMISSION FOR THE COMMUNITY.

WE HAD A COMPROMISED PIPE THAT HAD BEEN DAMAGED IN WARDLOW PARK.

WE HAD CUTS IN FENCES AT ATHLETIC FIELDS.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT JUST KIND OF RUNS THE, YOU KNOW, THE ENTIRE GAMUT OF TYPES OF, UH, VANDALISM, UM, MORE, YOU KNOW, A DOGGY BAG DISPENSER WAS, WAS DAMAGED.

SO IT JUST GOES TO SHOW THERE'S A LOT OF ACTIVITY.

THERE'S NO SET THING.

OBVIOUSLY THE MOST EXPENSIVE ARE WHEN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE MAJOR DAMAGE TO OUR, OUR ASSETS, LIKE PLAYGROUNDS LIKE THAT.

BUT, UM, THERE IS STILL A LOT OF ACTIVITY, BUT FORTUNATELY NOT A BIG TICKET VALUE.

I WAS JUST COMPARING THROUGH JULY OF THIS YEAR VERSUS THROUGH JULY OF LAST YEAR, UM, WE'RE DOWN ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.

NICE.

IN TERMS OF VANDALISM.

YEAH, I'D LIKE TO THINK SOME OF THAT MIGHT BE THE PARK AMBASSADORS, UH, THAT ARE GOING IN AND LOCKING THE RESTROOMS AT NIGHT.

WE ARE SEEING LESS DAMAGE TO OUR FREESTANDING RESTROOMS THAN WE HAD BEFORE.

NOW WE'RE STILL SEEING SOME DAMAGE, YOU KNOW, THINGS CAN HAPPEN DURING THE DAY WHEN, WHEN THEY'RE OPEN.

UM, BUT WE ARE DEFINITELY SEEING A, A DOWNWARD, UM, TREND FOR VANDALISM IN THE RESTROOM.

SO THAT'S A GOOD THING.

THAT'S A GOOD SHOWING OF THE INVESTMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MADE IN OUR DEPARTMENT FOR THE PARK AMBASSADORS.

HOW'S THE CONTINUITY OF STAFFING? ARE PEOPLE GOING THROUGH THAT OR ARE THEY STICK STICKING WITH IT? THEY'RE STICKING WITH IT.

GOOD.

THAT'S GREAT.

UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE THREES THAT, UH, MAINTENANCE ASSISTANT THREES, WHICH IS THE TOP LEVEL.

UM, SO UNLESS THERE'S TRULY A PROMOTIONAL OPPORTUNITY AS LIKE A GENERAL MAINTENANCE ASSISTANT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S KIND, THEY'VE MAXED OUT TOWARDS THAT LEVEL.

OKAY.

THAT, THAT'S GOOD.

THAT THEY'RE STAYING.

IS THERE ANY WAY TO GAUGE WHERE THE DAMAGE AND LOSS IS COMING FROM IN TERMS OF WHETHER IT'S KIDS OR HOMELESS OR, I RARELY, FOR AT LEAST, PARTICULARLY FOR RESTROOMS. UM, WELL, ANY, ANY DAMAGE.

IT'S REALLY HARD TO CATCH SOMEBODY IN THE ACT.

AND SO WHAT WE'RE GETTING IS AFTER THE FACT, RARELY DO WE HAVE A SITUATION WHERE THERE'S VANDALISM AND THE PERSON STICKS AROUND.

OF COURSE, MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, THAT'S LIKE A VEHICLE ACCIDENT WHERE SOMEBODY RUNS INTO ONE OF OUR FENCES OR PARK SIGNS.

IN THOSE SITUATIONS, WE DO KNOW WHO, UM, THE CULPRIT IS, BUT MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, WE DON'T KNOW THE AGES OR HOUSING SITUATION OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, OR NUMBER OF PEOPLE.

IT'S USUALLY AFTER THE FACT.

GOT IT.

THAT MAKES SENSE PROBABLY.

THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT, ANY, UH, COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? NO.

OKAY.

UM, UH, ANY FROM STAFF FROM THE PUBLIC HEARING? NONE.

UH, WE HAD A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER REDFIELD.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

UM, THAT'S IT.

AND WE'LL NOW GO TO OUR FINAL, UH, RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE AN UPDATE REGARDING FINANCE AND WATER AS IT RELATES TO THE DEPARTMENT OF PARKS AND RECREATION.

MARINE ITEM AM NUMBER FOUR.

UH, CAN I GET A MOTION? SO MOVE AND I'LL SECOND.

UM, OKAY.

UH, COMMISSIONER.

SO OUR, UM, FINANCIAL REPORT FOR THE MONTH OF JULY, WHICH IS OUR 10TH MONTH OF THE FISCAL YEAR.

YES.

10TH MONTH OF THE FISCAL YEAR, WHICH MEANS WE ARE 83% OF THE FISCAL YEAR COMPLETED.

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OUR TOTAL EXPENDITURES ARE STARTING TO CATCH UP A LITTLE BIT TO WHAT WE WOULD EXPECT, UH, GETTING CLOSER TO OUR FULL BUDGET.

WE'RE STILL AT ABOUT 73% OF THE BUDGET SPENT AND WE'RE THROUGH 83% OF THE YEAR.

SO, UM, BUT REMEMBER, WE'RE STILL IN THE MIDDLE OF SUMMER.

INVOICES ARE STILL COMING IN FOR SUMMER ACTIVITIES, PAYROLL, UM, YOU KNOW, STILL HAVE TWO MORE PAYROLLS FOR SUMMER.

AND SO WE'RE GOING TO REALLY START TO GET CLOSER AND CLOSER TO THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT, WHICH IS WHAT WE WOULD EXPECT.

UM, SIMILAR TO WHAT I SAID LAST MONTH THOUGH, I AM VERY PLEASED WITH HOW OUR REVENUE IS PERFORMING.

WE'RE AT ABOUT 90% OF OUR REVENUE BUDGET ALREADY, UM, RECEIVED.

AND, UM, AUGUST GOLF WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT.

GOLF IS THE DRIVER, UH, OF THIS, UH, BY FAR, UH, GOLF IS DOING VERY WELL, BUT IN COMMUNITY RECREATION, GLADYS IS ALMOST AT A HUNDRED PERCENT OF HER REVENUE COMMITMENT.

UM, AND THAT IS ACTIVITY AT THE, UM, REGIONAL PARK.

UM, OUR FACILITY RESERVATIONS HAVE REALLY TAKEN OFF THIS YEAR, AND SO I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY JUST A MATTER OF PEOPLE NOW MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE THAN THEY WERE THE FIRST YEAR ON THE COVID GOING OUT, GOING BACK TO THEIR, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY WOULD'VE USED TO DO, RESERVE A COMMUNITY CENTER FOR A PARTY OR WHAT HAVE YOU.

SO WE ARE SEEING FACILITY RESERVATIONS, UM, TRENDING BACK UPWARD AND SAME, AND PROBABLY FOR THE SAME REASON OUR CONTRACT CLASS, UM, PARTICIPATION IS ALSO STEADILY INCREASING.

SO, SO AS PART OF YOUR PROPOSED BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR REVENUE AND EVERYTHING, DO YOU BASE IT ON WHAT THIS YEAR'S NUMBERS WERE OR DO YOU BASE IT ON WHAT YOU ACTUALLY TOOK IN? YOU MEAN FOR NEXT YEAR FOR THE BUDGET YOU SUBMITTED FOR A FISCAL YEAR, 25 MM-HMM.

, DO YOU GET TO, DO YOU GET TO STILL KIND OF STICK TO THE 24 PROJECTIONS OR DO YOU HAVE TO STICK TO THE 24 ACTUALS WHEN YOU SO BECAUSE WE'RE DOING THE BUDGET ABOUT SIX MONTHS BEFORE THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR, WE ARE STILL DOING, UH, KIND OF, IT'S A HYBRID, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, KIND OF WHAT WERE WE EXPECTING FOR FY 24, WHAT ARE WE REALLY SEEING? AND THEN WE'RE GONNA MAKE OUR BEST.

UH, BUT YOU'RE NOT POTENTIALLY SETTING YOURSELF UP FOR FAILURE BY SAYING, OH, WE THINK WE CAN DO THIS AGAIN, LET'S PROPOSE THAT.

OKAY, GOOD.

NO.

UM, , UM, IT DOES THE, UH, UM, CITY MANAGER LOOK AT SCANS WHEN WE MAKE MORE MONEY THAN WE ANTICIPATED.

SO THE BUDGET OFFICE, UH, IS DEFINITELY ON TOP OF HOW WE'RE DOING, UM, WITH REVENUES.

AND IF THEY SEE AN AREA THAT MAYBE WE'RE UNDERPERFORMING, WE WILL HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AS TO WHY WE'RE UNDERPERFORMING.

UM, AND THEN FOR THE NEXT BUDGET YEAR, WE CAN ADDRESS THAT, UM, ACCORDINGLY.

UM, YOU KNOW, AND IN SOME CASES, YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING, IN SOME CASES, REVENUE TRENDING DOWNWARD IS A REALLY GOOD THING.

AND SO LET'S THINK ABOUT PET LICENSING, UH, OR MAYBE NOT PET LICENSING, BUT AS THE NUMBER OF ANIMALS THAT GET IT DOWN, WE ARE, THAT ARE COMING INTO OUR, UH, SYSTEM AS IT GOES DOWN.

BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD, WE DON'T HAVE NEARLY AS MANY, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF STAYING, UH, POLICY SUCCESS, OUR REVENUES ARE GONNA GO DOWN BECAUSE WE HAVE FEWER, WELL, THAT'S A GOOD THING.

THAT'S NOT A BAD THING, BUT MOST PEOPLE WILL THINK, YOU KNOW, REVENUE SHOULD ONLY GO UP.

SO LET'S SAY IT THE, SO IF, IF, IF, IF YOU ARE RIGHT ON YOUR EXPENSES AND YOUR REVENUES ARE 400,000 MORE THAN YOU'RE EXPECTING, CAN YOU GO SPEND THAT? NO, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT APPROPRIATED.

OKAY.

THAT'S, THAT IS NOT PART OF OUR EXPENSES.

I MEAN, YOU COULD THEORETICALLY GO TO THEM AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO WITH IT.

IF TOM SAID THAT THEORETICALLY.

AND IF, IF THE, LIKE, LIKE LET'S SAY YOU WANTED TO PER TO DOUBLE THE SIZE OF THE AMBASSADORS AND YOU HAD THE MONEY TO DO IT, YOU COULD THEORETICALLY SO, OR THAT OR CARRY IT TO NEXT YEAR.

SO NO CARRY.

WELL YOU, I MEAN I, YOU COULD APPLY IT TO NEXT YEAR BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT, THAT IS SOMETHING THE CITY DOES NOT DO.

OKAY.

SO IF A DEPARTMENT HAS SAVINGS OR IF MORE REVENUE COMES IN, IT REALLY DROPS TO THE BOTTOM LINE OF THE GENERAL FUND.

THE GENERAL FUND THAT WILL THEN GO ON THE NEXT YEAR AND SUPPORT EVERYBODY.

OKAY.

WE COULDN'T ADD LIKE, YOU KNOW, DOUBLE THE SIZE OF THE PARK AMBASSADOR PROGRAM, JUST AS AN EXAMPLE BECAUSE WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THE REVENUE

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IS ONE TIME, ONE TIME.

WE CAN'T EXPECT THAT IT'S GONNA HAPPEN THE SAME WAY NEXT YEAR.

BUT I HAVE SEEN AND WE CAN'T ADD PERMANENT STAFF RIGHT.

WITH TRUCTURE ONE TIME RESOURCE, STRUCTURAL RESOURCE.

CORRECT.

BUT I HAVE SEEN, UH, THAT KIND OF REVENUE USED FOR INFRASTRUCTURE ONE TIME.

CORRECT.

YEP.

AND, AND, AND THAT'S THE, THE CITY POLICY IS IF THERE IS ONE TIME RESOURCES, IS IT FOR ONE TIME ADDITIONAL REVENUE OR IF THERE ARE ACTUAL SAVINGS THAT WOULD THEN BE USED THOUGH FOR A ONE TIME TYPE OF THING, A ONE TIME PROJECT OR EVENT OR A PROGRAM, BUT THAT THEY'RE ONLY GONNA FUND FOR THAT ONE YEAR.

YEAH.

GOT IT.

OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM STAFF? WHEN ARE, ARE, ARE BUDGET HEARINGS GOING ON NOW? YES.

BECAUSE I SAW REX'S VIDEO AND THERE WERE ACTUALLY HEARINGS AT THREE O'CLOCK YESTERDAY OR TUESDAY.

TUESDAY, YES.

SO THE KIND OF THE, THE FORMAL PUBLIC, UH, BUDGET, UM, BEGAN THIS PAST TUESDAY.

UH, SO ACTUALLY THE BUDGET OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE, UH, WHICH IS A COMMITTEE OF THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT GO OVER DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF THE BUDGET.

THEY HELD THEIR FIRST MEETING ON TUESDAY AND THEN IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THAT AS PART OF THE ACTUAL CITY COUNCIL MEETING WAS THE RELEASE, THE OFFICIAL RELEASE OF THE CITY BUDGET, UH, TO THE PUBLIC, UM, THROUGH A, A HEARING AND PRESENTATIONS BY THE MAYOR FOR THE MAYOR'S, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS.

AND THE CITY MANAGER THAT GIVES IT KIND OF A, JUST A STATUS UPDATE ON THE CITY'S FINANCES AND THEN TALKS ABOUT SOME OF THE INVESTMENTS THAT ARE BEING MADE FOR 25 BEING PROPOSED FOR 25.

UH, AND THEN THIS PAST TUESDAY WE ALSO HAD A PRESENTATION ON THE, UM, CIP, UH, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, UH, ENTITLED VISION 28 28, ELEVATE 28, ELEVATE 28.

2028.

UH, ALL WITH THAT 28 O OLYMPICS IN MIND.

THE IMPROVEMENTS WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE.

UM, SO, SO SEVERAL, THREE PRESENTATIONS ON, ON TUESDAY.

UH, THE MAYOR, THE CITY MANAGER OF THEN PUBLIC WORKS, OUR PRESENTATION FOR PARKS, REC, AND MARINE WILL BE ON THE 20TH OF AUGUST.

WE WILL BE WITH PD DM FIRE AGAIN? NO LIBRARY, PUBLIC WORKS.

AND LIBRARY.

I THOUGHT YOU SAID PUBLIC WORKS.

CIP ONLY.

OH, CIP.

OKAY.

SO IT'LL BE, UH, WHEN IS IT? THE 20TH.

GOT IT.

I CAN DEFINITELY CONFIRM THE 20TH.

WHO WE'RE WITH WHO YOU'RE WITH STILL? I DON'T REMEMBER.

YEAH, I THINK LIBRARY IS A DIFFERENT DATE.

THEY MIGHT BE, THEY MIGHT BE WITH HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES THE FOLLOWING MEETING, BUT I KNOW WE'RE THE 20TH.

SOMEBODY SAID THEY MAY BE GOING WITH ARTS TOO.

THAT'S THE NAME.

CHANGE, A PROPOSED NAME CHANGE FOR THE DEPARTMENT.

THE DEPARTMENT OF LIBRARY SERVICES, ARTS AND CULTURE.

OH, LIBRARY SERVICES.

ARTS.

ARTS AND CULTURE.

THAT'S INTERESTING.

YES.

THEY WANT ME TO MAKE A SISTER CITIES PRESENTATION AT THAT COMMITTEE MEETING.

OKAY.

ANYWAY.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NOPE.

FROM THE PUBLIC HEARING? NONE.

WE HAD A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON, SECONDED BY CHAIR REDFIELD.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE.

OKAY.

OPPOSED? OKAY, THAT PASSES.

UH, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC THE, WE NOW PROVIDE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE PARKS AND RECREATION COMMITTEE, FINANCE AND APPEALS COMMITTEE ON NON AGENDA ITEMS. EACH SPEAKER IS LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES TO MAKE THEIR COMMENTS AND WAS EXTENDED BY THE CHAIR.

DO WE HAVE ANY SUCH COMMENTS? OKAY.

HEARING NONE.

THANK YOU.

ANY STAFF COMMENTS? OKAY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? WELL DONE.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

UH, AND THAT'S IT THEN.

IF THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS, WE WILL ADJOURN AT 3:28 PM.