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IT IS TWO 30 AND I'D LIKE TO CALL THE GOLF ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING TO ORDER FOR SEPTEMBER 5TH, 2024 MEETING.
AND WITH THAT, LILY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
ALL ARE PRESENT AND ACCOUNTED FOR ALL.
AND ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE? SEEING NONE.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE REGULAR AGENDA.
RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR THE GOLF ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING.
CAN I GET A MOTION ON THIS ITEM? MOTION SECOND.
AND SECOND MEMBER RICHIE, ANY PUBLIC COMMENT RELATED TO THIS ITEM? ALL SEEING NONE MEMBERS ANY DISCUSSION ON THE ITEM? WILL WE PLEASE CALL FOR THE VOTE? CALL FOR THE VOTE MINUTE.
MEMBER EEL A C MEMBER ANDERSON AYE.
RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE CITY GOLF OPERATIONS.
CAN I GET A MOTION ON THIS ITEM? A MOTION? SECOND.
OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY PUBLIC COMMENT RELATED TO THE ITEM? I THINK IT'S TIME FOR THE REPORT.
I DON'T HAVE MUCH OF AN UPDATE TODAY.
UM, I THINK WHAT UPDATE WE DO HAVE IS GOING TO COME FROM, UM, MR. LIVINGSTON AS CHAIR OF OUR LONG BEACH GOLF HALL OF FAME COMMITTEE.
SO AT THE, UH, I THINK AT THE LAST MEETING I MENTIONED WHO WE WERE GONNA BE INDUCTING.
SO WE DID GET TWO OF THE THREE, UH, PEOPLE.
LARRY BENSON, WHO WAS THE HEAD PRO AT HARTWELL AND EL DORADO BACK IN THE EIGHTIES BEFORE AMERICAN GOLF TOOK OVER.
UM, DID NOT COME OUT FROM SOUTH CAROLINA, BUT, UH, BRETT LETTER WAS THERE AND JEFF EVANS WAS THERE.
UH, WE HAD VERY GOOD INDUCTION CEREMONY AT THE END OF THE LONG BEACH OPEN AFTER A ONE HOLE PLAYOFF.
IT WAS ACTUALLY A VERY GOOD CROWD.
I WAS HAPPY WITH THE YOUNG PEOPLE THERE.
I'D SAY THERE'S OVER 200 PEOPLE WATCHING THE FINAL GROUP, SO IT WAS A NICE CULMINATION TO THE GOLF FESTIVAL.
AND THANK YOU TO LORI FOR GETTING COUNTLESS PROCLAMATIONS FROM THE MAYOR'S OFFICE WITH CORRECT SPELLINGS.
AND THANKS FOR ALL YOUR WORK ON THAT.
SO I THINK THAT'S, UM, IT FOR MY UPDATES TODAY.
ANY DISCUSSION QUESTIONS FROM MEMBERS? ALRIGHT.
AND WITH THAT, WE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND.
SO LOUIS, I THINK WE'RE READY FOR THE VOTE.
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MEMBER REI? YES.AND VICE CHAIR FITZGERALD? YES.
RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE THE AMERICAN GOLF ORAL UPDATES ON COURSES, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS AND OTHER ITEMS. CAN I GET A MOTION TO OPEN THIS ITEM? MOTION? OKAY.
SECOND MOTION, YOUNG SECOND FROM ILEY.
AND WITH THAT, WE WILL MOVE TO ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.
AND I THINK THEN THE FLOOR IS YOURS, GARY.
UM, WELL THANK YOU FOR THE UPDATE ON THE, THE FESTIVAL.
IT ACTUALLY ENDED REALLY WELL.
UH, WE SOLD OUT ALL THE EVENTS, UM, EXCEPT FOR OBVIOUSLY THE LADIES AND JUNIORS.
UM, BUT WE TRIPLED OUR ATTENDANCE FROM LAST YEAR.
WE HAD 52 LADIES AND WE HAD 48 JUNIORS.
UM, AND WE WERE ABOUT 40 PEOPLE SHY IN THE LONG BEACH OPEN.
UM, IT COINCIDED WITH SOME THINGS WITH, UH, THAT ARIZONA OPEN AND, UH, THE WATERLOO WE'RE JUST ALL KIND OF RUNNING AFTER EACH OTHER, BUT, UM, ALREADY LOOKING AT NEXT YEAR, UH, TO KEEP THAT ONE GOING.
UM, WE'LL BE POSTING THAT ON THE WEBSITE SOON, UM, AND START TAKING SIGNUPS JANUARY 3RD, I THINK, UH, FOR NEXT YEAR.
UM, FOR THE GOLF COURSES WE'VE GOT, UM, REC PARK, UH, IS IN GREAT SHAPE RIGHT NOW.
UM, THE HEAT IS ACTUALLY HELPING US.
UM, BUT, UH, WE'VE GOT A SINKHOLE ON NUMBER SIX.
IT'S ABOUT 80%, UH, REPAIRED BY THE CITY.
THAT WAS A STORM DRAIN THAT HAD COLLAPSED, UM, AND A FEW MONTHS AGO, AND THEY'RE OUT FIXING IT RIGHT NOW.
UM, WE HAVE ADDRESSED THE CAT SITUATION THAT WAS OVER THERE AS WELL, THAT CAME UP.
UM, SO WE ARE, UM, IN, IN THE MIDDLE OF FIGURING THAT OUT AND TRYING TO FIND A, AN ADOPTION HOME
UM, THE BUNKER SAND AT SKY LINKS HAS BEEN A BIG ISSUE.
UM, THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS.
WE'VE, WE'VE FINISHED LAYING, I THINK, 17 BUNKERS AS OF RIGHT NOW AROUND GREENSIDE.
SO JIM DEMARIO ACTUALLY GAVE US A COMMENT ON THAT TODAY.
UM, AND SO WE'RE WORKING DILIGENTLY ON THAT COURSE IS GOOD.
UM, EL DORADO HOLDING STEADY, WE'RE HAVING ISSUES WITH THE BATHROOMS AND THEY'RE OVERFLOWING ON THE GOLF COURSE.
UM, WE REPAIRED 'EM YESTERDAY MORNING, AND THEN YESTERDAY AFTERNOON THEY WERE BACKED UP AGAIN.
SO THE CITY'S ACTUALLY THERE RIGHT NOW.
UM, WE'VE REMOVED THE WATER FOUNTAIN AND REPAIRED ALL THE FIXTURES THAT KEEP GETTING BROKEN OUT THERE.
UM, THE WATER FOUNTAIN AT THE CLUBHOUSE HAS BEEN REPLACED, UM, WITH THE WATER BOTTLE FILLING SYSTEM.
UM, AND KEEPING UP WITH ALL THOSE CIF UM, I STARTED COMMUNICATING WITH THEM AGAIN.
JOE
IT'S COMING BACK TO LONG BEACH.
WE'RE LOOKING AT MAY 14TH FOR NEXT YEAR.
UM, SO THAT'S EXCITING TO HAVE THE CIF BACK IN LONG BEACH.
UM, THE BIGGEST CHANGE IN HARTWELL IS WE MOVE THE RANGE MACHINE FROM THE DRIVING RANGE TO NEXT TO THE CART BARN.
UM, IT'S SAFER, IT'S EASIER TO MAINTAIN, IT'S EASIER TO GET TO, IT'S EASIER ON THE STAFF.
UM, AND EVERYBODY'S TAKEN REALLY WELL TO THAT.
UM, THE BLINKING LIGHTS, UH, WE'VE GOT THREE QUOTES ON THAT.
UM, IT'S, IT'S GONE TO ABOUT $106,000.
UM, I'VE GOT A MEETING NEXT WEEK WITH THE CONTRACTOR TO WALK THE PLANS AND EVERYTHING, UH, TO MAKE SURE IT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT, EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED, UH, FOR WARDLOW.
UM, SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET MOVING ON THAT PROJECT SOON.
UM, THE AMBASSADOR FUNDRAISING AND PROGRAM IS GOING GREAT.
UM, I'VE YET TO RECEIVE A PACE OF PLAY COMMENT IN MANY, MANY MONTHS.
UM, SO FAR THIS YEAR WE'VE RAISED $22,900.
UM, RECREATION PARK IS SITTING AT 8,000.
SKY LINKS IS AT 11,500, AND HARTWELL IS BREAKING GROUND THIS MONTH.
UM, THIS MONTH OF SEPTEMBER IS FOR THE WOMEN'S SHELTER.
I'M PRETTY SURE OUR GOAL IS $30,000 THIS MONTH TO RAISE FOR THE WOMEN'S SHELTER OF LONG BEACH.
I THINK SO FAR AFTER FIVE DAYS AS OF THIS MORNING, UM, WE WERE ALMOST AT 4,000 FOR THE MONTH ALREADY.
UM, SO THAT'S OUR BIG PUSH THIS MONTH, UH, TO SUPPORT THE WOMEN'S SHELTER.
AND THEN THE MEN'S MEN'S CLUB SCHEDULES FOR 2025.
WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE AT EL DORADO FOR NOVEMBER, UH, FROM A SATURDAY TO A SUNDAY, BUT THOSE WILL BE OUT AND CONFIRMED HERE VERY SOON.
UM, FOR CAPEX, WE'VE GOT HARWELL REPLACED, TWO FREEZERS.
UH, THE MAINTENANCE ROOM, ROLLUP DOORS, UM, HAVE BEEN APPROVED FOR WAITING ON THE INSTALLATION OF THOSE.
UM, ON THE RESTROOMS ON THE GOLF COURSE.
UH, SKY LINKS, WE'VE COMPLETED THE ROOF.
UH, THE LAST CHECK SHOULD BE DELIVERED
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THIS WEEK, SO WE'LL GO FOR REIMBURSEMENT ON THAT.UM, OUR ICE MACHINE IS OUT, SO WE'LL BE SUBMITTING THAT ONE HERE SOON.
AND THEN THE CAFE AIR CONDITIONER IS OUT, SO THAT ONE
THE CROW SHOP AC AND THE BANQUET AC UH, UNITS BOTH WENT OUT AT THE SAME TIME.
UH, THOSE ARE IN FOR SUBMITTAL FOR APPROVAL.
UH, THE MAINTENANCE YARD WE'VE REPAIRED, THE TREE FELL ON THE MAINTENANCE YARD.
WE'VE REPLACED THE FENCE THAT'S AROUND THE YARD AND THEY'VE ORDERED THE MATERIAL FOR THE, FOR THE ROOF.
SO THAT SHOULD BE DONE DAYS, UM, AND BACK OPERATIONAL.
UM, THEN NUMBER EIGHT PUMP ON THE LAKE AT EL DORADO.
WE'VE GOT, UH, THE PUMP FAILED.
UH, WE'RE GETTING THAT REPLACED, UM, AS WE SPEAK.
I THINK THEY PULLED THE PUMP THIS MORNING.
UM, THE NEXT THING WE'LL WORK ON FOR THIS WINTER IS A DEAD TREE PROJECT.
WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT GETTING ALL THE DEAD TREES REMOVED AROUND LONG BEACH, UM, AND GETTING ONE PROJECT GOING FOR THAT, AS WELL AS THE PARKING LOTS TO STORY SEAL AND RETRIP THE PARKING LOTS AT ALL FIVE FACILITIES.
UM, FROM THERE, THAT IS MY REPORT FOR TODAY.
CAN I ASK WHAT CIF IS? I JUST BLANKED.
OH, THE HIGH SCHOOL HIGH SCHOOL CHAMPIONSHIP.
OH, INTER SCHOLASTIC FEDERATION.
THANKFULLY BOB WAS HERE BECAUSE I'M DOING THE SAME THING.
IS THAT BECAUSE THE PUMP QUIT PUMP.
UM, SO THAT'LL START PUMPING MORE FREELY AND BE ABLE TO FILL IT WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE AND BE ABLE TO TREAT IT AND EVERYTHING.
I HAVE A COMMENT THAT, UM, EL DORADO AND REC BOTH SEEM OVERLY WET IN PLACES LIKE REALLY SOGGY, WET, AND THEN PEOPLE DRIVE THROUGH THERE AND THEIR BIG TRACTOR MARKS AND MM-HMM.
THEY'RE VERY, THEY'RE VERY BOGGY IN CERTAIN AREAS.
I KNOW WITH THE WEATHER, OF COURSE, THERE'S BOTH OF THOSE.
UM, I KNOW THAT COIA DOES HOLD MORE WATER UNDER THE TURF 'CAUSE THERE'S THAT GAP.
UM, YOU DON'T SEE A LOT OF THAT AT SKY LINKS JUST 'CAUSE OF THE TURF DIFFERENTIAL.
UM, BUT I'LL HAVE A MEETING WITH THE SUPERINTENDENT AND DRIVE OUT THERE AND CHECK 'EM OUT.
SOME OF THE AREAS ARE REALLY BAD.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE IS.
YEAH, I JUST, I JUST PLAYED SKY LINKS THIS MORNING AND A NUMBER OF THE HOLES WERE SOAKED AND AROUND THE GREENS, AROUND THE FAIRWAY EVERYWHERE.
IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S WHERE THERE'S, AND THEY'RE DIGGING UP A LOT OF THE, UH, THEY'RE FIXING A LOT OF HEADS RIGHT NOW.
THE HEADS AND, AND THERE'S, BUT THERE'S A BUNCH MORE THAT, 'CAUSE USUALLY LIKE AT MY HOUSE, WHEN ONE GOES, THEY ALL GO 'CAUSE THEY'RE ALL 15 OR 20 YEARS.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING.
AND WHAT'S THE HOLE? LET ME BACK INTO IT.
'CAUSE IT'S BEEN, IT'S LITERALLY LIKE A SWAMP UNDER THE TREE WITH THE DOG LEG.
16 OR SIX 15 LEFT OF 16 BEFORE THE PAR FIVE.
IT'S THAT DOG, DOG LEG WHEN YOU'RE, YOU'RE TEEING OFF FACING THE DRIVING RANGE.
YEAH, IT'S A SHORT DOG LEG PAR FIVE.
YEAH, THAT, THAT, THAT 220 YARDS OUT THAT HUGE TREE.
I WONDER IF THEY TURNED THE IRRIGATION OVER THERE AGAIN AND IT'S, IT'S BEEN, I'VE BEEN PLAYING, THAT'S BEEN LIKE A SWAMP FOR SIX, EIGHT WEEKS.
SO, BUT A NUMBER OF THE HOLES, I THINK IT'S THE SPRINKLER HEADS ARE GOING, SO THEY JUST COME UP AND THEY JUST, THEY SATURATE THE GROUND.
BUT THERE'S ANOTHER, EVEN TEE BOXES OR FAIRWAYS, THERE WAS WATER EVERYWHERE.
WE DUMPED THOSE BECAUSE THOSE HAVE A LOT OF RYE GRASS AROUND THEM.
SO WE WANT THOSE TO BE WET AS WE CAN.
TO ANGIE'S POINT ABOUT THE, THE CART TRAFFIC AND CART MARKS, IT DOES APPEAR THAT IT'S MAINTENANCE CARTS BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE PRETTY WIDE.
TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND SEE IF THAT'S, OH, SORRY.
I DON'T PLAY SKY LINKS, BUT, UM, IT'S PRETTY COMMON NOW TO HAVE CART THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT AROUND.
WHERE'S, WELL, THE CARTS SHOULD MAKE IT AROUND WITH THE NEW LITHIUM BATTERIES.
WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY BATTERY PACK ISSUES FOR YEARS.
WHERE DO YOU NORMALLY PLAY EL DORADO? EL DORADO'S GOT 13 CARTS DOWN DUE TO THE, UH, ACCELERATOR PEDAL.
UM, SO WE'RE WORKING ON THOSE.
BUT IF CARTS ARE DYING, THAT'S A DIFFERENT ISSUE.
I HAVE TO ASK A PROTOCOL QUESTION.
IS THIS WHEN WE ASK OUR QUESTIONS TO AMERICAN GOLF OR, SO THEN JUST SO YOU KNOW, SKY LINKS AND RECREATION PARK CARTS HIT OUR FIVE YEAR WARRANTY OCTOBER 25TH.
2026 IS WHEN WE'LL GET OUR NEW, SO THEY'VE GOTTA LAST TWO MORE YEARS.
SO I'LL DEFINITELY LOOK INTO IT.
YEAH, THAT'S PRETTY, IT'S BECAUSE THEY SHOULDN'T BE DYING.
I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY DEAD CARTS ON THE COURSE.
I USED TO, NOW THAT YOU MENTIONED IT, I KNOW
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THEY WERE GOING DOWN 'CAUSE THE BRICK FELL WOULD STOP AND THE CART WOULDN'T GO ANYWHERE.SO WE'VE GOT 15, WE'VE GOT 13 CARTS IN BACK RIGHT NOW.
TWO OF THE LAST THREE TIMES I'VE PLAYED.
MY GROUP HAS NEEDED TO HAVE A CARD BROUGHT UP TO NOT AT ELDA.
ALWAYS SOMETHING, A COUPLE THINGS.
SO, UH, ONE, UM, YOU BROUGHT UP THE, THE TIMING FOR THE SCHEDULE FOR THE LONG BEACH OPEN.
I'VE HEARD FROM A COUPLE OF PLAYERS THAT, AS YOU MENTIONED IN THE MEN'S CHAMPIONSHIP, THAT IT'S DIFFICULT BECAUSE THERE'S, YOU HAVE ARIZONA AND COLORADO AND A LOT OF THE PLAYERS ARE SORT OF PLAYING THE MINI TOUR CIRCUIT.
SO IT WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT THEY WANTED ME TO SHARE.
SECOND, I WANT TO, YOU KNOW, THANK CITI AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, AMERICAN GOLF FOR HOSTING S CJ'S PUBLIC LINKS CHAMPIONSHIPS LAST WEEK, UH, LAST MONTH.
UM, IT ALL WENT REALLY WELL AND APPRECIATE IT.
AND THEN, UM, I WAS ASKED LAST NIGHT ABOUT THE QUESTION OF GOLF BALLS LEAVING THE PROPERTY ON NUMBER FOUR AT WRECK.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THINGS STAND AT THE MOMENT, BUT HAS THAT ISSUE BEEN RESOLVED? IT, IT SOUNDED LIKE, FROM WHAT I HEARD LAST NIGHT, THAT THERE ARE STILL, UM, YOU KNOW, CONCERNS.
AND I, I, THE REASON IN PART I BROUGHT IT UP IS 'CAUSE I WAS, YOU KNOW, I HAD THIS CONVERSATION, BUT, BUT ALSO THERE'S ONE OTHER GOLF COURSE THAT I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE MUNICIPAL COURSE IN ANOTHER CITY THAT HAS ONE PLACE WHERE BALLS ARE NOW LEAVING THE PROPERTY.
SO THEY ACTUALLY PUT A LAUNCH MONITOR OUT THERE AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE WATCHING BALLS FOR A COUPLE WEEKS TO SEE HOW MANY GOLF BALLS ARE ACTUALLY GETTING OUT OVER THE FENCE.
AND WOULD THAT LEAD TO A NEED? YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY THAT DATA WILL JUSTIFY THE NEED TO RAISE THE FENCE OR, YOU KNOW, DO DO SOMETHING.
SO, SO WE ACTUALLY WERE THE FENCE.
SO WHEN THE FENCE WAS DAMAGED OVER THERE, IT, IT WAS ALL AT THE START OF THIS YEAR.
THE FENCE WENT FROM 24 FEET TO 36 FEET.
THERE'S A BUSINESS OWNER AT THAT AREA AS WELL THAT CLAIMS THAT WE REMOVED PART OF THE FENCING THERE.
I'VE GOT A DECK TO, TO PRESENT TO BRENT ON TUESDAY.
THE FENCE THAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT WENT FROM 20 FEET TO 36 FEET ON A WHOLE OTHER SECTION IN FRONT OF HIS BUILDING.
THE ONLY WAY THAT WE ARE SEEING A GOLF BALL GETTING TO HIS BUSINESS IS FROM THE TEE BOX ON THREE, GOING 320 YARDS OVER THE FENCE.
AND THAT'S NOT AN EASY SHOT TO, TO HIT.
SO EVERYTHING WE'VE DONE HAS ACTUALLY IMP IMPROVED THE NETTING OVER THERE, WHICH IS WHAT I'M GONNA SHOW DENNIS.
WE GOT, I MEAN, I'VE GOTTEN EMAILS FROM CHRISY, DUGGAN AND LORI'S FOUND THE EMAILS TOO.
UM, SO WE'RE SITTING DOWN WITH BRENT ON TUESDAY TO GO OVER THAT.
WE'VE IMPROVED THE, THE AREA OVER THERE.
WE'VE ADDED NETTING ON FOUR TEE BOXES AS WELL.
SO EVEN IF YOU GO LEFT EVEN FARTHER BACK, WE HAVE NEW NETTING BACK THERE.
UM, SO EVERYTHING WE'VE DONE IS TO IMPROVE THE AREA.
AND HE HASN'T MADE A COMPLAINT.
I THINK IT WAS SINCE LIKE 2006 WAS THE LAST TIME HE MENTIONED AN ERIC GOLF BALL.
AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY'RE COMING UP.
I DON'T, WE DON'T KNOW HOW HMM.
AND FROM EXACTLY WHERE, BECAUSE HELL OF A BAD SHOT.
HE'S 50 YARDS LEFT OF THE TEE BOX WITH NETTING ALL THE WAY DOWN THAT SIDE.
THE ONLY PLACE IT COULD COME FROM IS FROM THREE TEE BOX.
OR SOMEONE INTENTIONALLY OR SOMEONE INTENTIONALLY HITTING YOU FROM THE GREEN BACK.
YOU KNOW, SAY SOMEBODY'S IN FRONT OF THE GREEN FOUR AND WANTS TO HIT A SHOT ON THE ANAHEIM.
BUT I MEAN, WE HAD GUYS HITTING ACROSS CLARK FROM NUMBER 11 AT SKY LINKS ONE TIME.
BUT THAT WAS, IS THERE A WAY TO BRING A
THERE'S TREES THAT ARE TALLER THAN THE FENCE ALL THE WAY DOWN THAT AREA.
IT'S JUST A NET THAT'S THERE IS 34 FEET HIGH, 36 FEET HIGH.
WE'RE WORKING WITH THE CITY, WE'RE WORKING WITH OUR LEGAL TEAM.
UM, I KNOW ONE OF OUR POSITIONS IS LIKE, LOOK, IF IF, IF IT IS A NUISANCE IN AN AREA THAT'S CAUSING DAMAGE, WE HAVE TO LOG ALL OF 'EM.
EVERY TIME THAT THAT INDIVIDUAL'S EMAILING US, WE'RE LOGGING 'EM.
AND IF IT GETS TO A POINT WHERE OUR LEGAL TEAM SAYS THAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO DO SOMETHING IN THIS AREA, WE WILL.
BUT IT HASN'T GOTTEN TO THAT POINT YET.
THIS, THE LAST TIME HE COMPLAINED WAS HE SAID A BALL HIT ANAHEIM AVENUE DIDN'T CAUSE ANY DAMAGE.
IT DIDN'T CAUSE ANY DAMAGE, IF YOU WILL,
BUT THE LAST TIME WE REACHED OUT TO US WAS APRIL.
SO IS IT HAPPENING EVERY SINGLE DAY? EVERY SINGLE MONTH, TWICE A YEAR.
IT'S, IT'S REALLY SPORADIC WITH THE GENTLEMAN THAT'S, THAT'S MAKING THE CLAIMS. AND IF IT ESCALATES TO, CONTINUES ON A MONTH OR TWO, DO YOU WANT TO SUGGEST MAYBE BRING IN A LUNCH MONITOR? OR IS THAT TO THE COST OF THAT? I MEAN, WELL, SO THAT'S, THAT'S MORE UP TO OUR LEGAL TEAM AND WHAT THEY WANNA DECIDE TO DO.
WE'VE ALREADY DONE SURVEYS FROM NUMBER FOUR.
WE'VE NEVER, WE HAVEN'T DONE A SURVEY FROM NUMBER
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THREE.AND IS THAT GONNA HELP? I MEAN, WE CAN CHANGE THE TEE BOX.
WE'VE ALREADY TALKED TO THE SUPERINTENDENT AND THE GM ABOUT JUST TAKING NUMBER THREE TO IRONS ONLY AND SEEING IF THAT HELPS.
BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY OUT THERE ALL DAY THAT MAKE SURE YOU DON'T HIT YOUR DRIVER.
AND WE'VE GOT SIGNS THAT SAY THE GOLFERS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY ERR GOLF BALL.
THOSE SIGNS ARE ALL OVER THE GOLF COURSE.
THAT'S THAT'S, THAT'S THEY'RE GONNA BE COMING FROM SOMEWHERE.
AND THAT'S THE ONLY SPOT WE CAN THINK OF THAT'S COMING FROM RIGHT.
COULD YOU USE A CAMERA NOW? CAMERAS AREN'T GONNA WORK ON FOLLOWING A GOLF BALL THAT FAR.
NO, I MEANT ON THE, WHERE THEY'D BE LAUNCHING THE BALL FROM, THEY WOULDN'T TRACK A GOLF BALL.
IT'S GOTTA BE UP COMING FROM THE FOURTH HOLE.
BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW WELL, YEARS AGO WHEN I PLAYED, I, THERE SOME PEOPLE THAT LEFTHANDED POP UP, DRIVER LEFTHANDED POP UP OVER THE FENCE.
BUT IT'S, YOU'RE NOT HITTING HIM WITH ENOUGH POWER TO LIKE EXACTLY.
IS HIS BUILDING JUST ON THE FENCE OR FAR DOWN? IT'S RIGHT OFF THE FENCE.
BUT HE FACES, HE'S ON A SIDE STREET.
AND THE COMPLAINT IS ON THE SIDE STREET.
AND SO THERE'S NO OTHER COMPLAINTS BY BUSINESSES.
ON ANAHEIM, THERE'S SOUTH CITY LAW FIRM, THERE'S TOM'S WELL THOMPSON'S BACK, BUT THERE'S SEVERAL THAT RUN IN CONDO PROJECT AND YOU'RE NOT GETTING COMPLAINTS FROM THEM.
I MEAN, A LOT OF TREES ALONG THAT FENCE.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING INTO IT.
AND OBVIOUSLY, I MEAN, IF THE NETTING WERE TO GO UP THREE TIMES AS HIGH, THAT WOULD BE EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE.
I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST HOW MUCH NETTING COSTS, BUT IT'S INTERESTING.
UM, THANK YOU FOR ALL THE INFORMATION.
I HAD A QUESTION FOR AMERICAN GOLF.
IS THAT NOW THE TIME, UM, ARE THERE ANY CONVERSATIONS GOING ON WITH INTERNALLY WITH AMERICAN GOLF OR THE CITY ABOUT CHANGING THE RESERVATION PROCESS AT ALL? NO.
I TALKED TO, 'CAUSE SOMEBODY MENTIONED TO JIM DI TRIO THAT OUR RESERVATION SYSTEM GONNA CHANGE COMPLETELY.
AND I TOLD HIM TODAY THE ONLY THING THAT MAY CHANGE IS JANUARY 1ST.
WHERE YOU USE FOUR UP RIGHT NOW AS OUR BOOKING ENGINE THROUGH LC GOLF, IT MAY CHANGE TO A NEW SYSTEM.
IT WOULD'VE LOOKED VIRTUALLY THE SAME.
BUT HE, HE ASKED ME TO ASK HIM.
HE STOPPED IN RIGHT BEFORE THE MEETING.
SO OUR CONTRACT WITH FOUR UP IS OFF JANUARY 1ST.
SO WE'VE GOT TWO COMPANIES WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW TO MOVING OVER TO COMPLETELY, UH, TO GET RID OF SUPREME GOLF, GET RID OF FOUR UP AND JUST HAVE ONE COMPANY HOUSE, EVERYTHING.
IS THAT COMPANY WIDE OR IS THAT IT'S COMPANY WIDE.
WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO GO, WE HAVE TO CHANGE OR WE HAVE TO STAY WITH FOUR UP.
WE HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION BY THE END OF THE YEAR.
SO IT'S BETWEEN TWO COMPANIES RIGHT NOW.
JUST A FEW AREAS ON LITTLE RICK WHERE THERE'S STANDING WATER.
I'M GONNA LOOK AT ALL OF THAT.
BECAUSE I KNOW LITTLE REC HAS A LOT OF UNDULATION OUT THERE AS WELL.
UM, SO I'M GONNA TAKE A LOOK AT IT ALL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.
AND WE HAD A MOTION AND A SECOND.
UH, VICE CHAIR FITZGERALD? YES.
MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR, RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE THE SUB SUBCOMMITTEE STATUS REPORTS.
AND CAN I GET A MOTION ON THIS ITEM? MOTION.
AND WITH THAT, WE'LL, UH, HAND IT OVER TO, I, I SUPPOSE IT WOULD BE THE CHAIR OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE, BUT I'M NOT, UH, I'M NOT SURE IF WE'VE HAD A, A MEETING SINCE THE LAST ONE WE MET SINCE THE LAST MEETING WE MET IN AUGUST OR JULY.
OH, THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT BEFORE I LEFT.
UM, SO WE MET TO DISCUSS, UH, EDITS TO THE NEW GOLF MANUAL AND WE'RE WORKING THROUGH 'EM AND I THINK WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS GOOD AND A LOT OF, I DON'T WANNA SAY FLUFF, BUT I THINK A LOT OF THINGS HAVE CHANGED SINCE THE LAST REVISION AND WE'RE TRYING TO UPDATE IT.
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COMING ALONG.ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS FOR THE POLICIES AND, UH, SUBCOMMITTEE? ALRIGHT.
AND WERE THERE ANY OTHER SUBCOMMITTEES THAT MET? OKAY.
UM, I DO HAVE ONE, ONE QUESTION THEN.
ARE WE, I KNOW THAT THERE, IT, IT COMES LATER, BUT IT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S POSSIBLE THAT SOME OF THE SUBCOMMITTEES ARE GONNA CHANGE THEIR ROSTERS.
SOUNDS LIKE IT'S STILL IN, IN PROCESS.
SO THERE'S LIKELY TO BE ANOTHER MEETING OR TWO.
I WOULD, AND THEN THAT COULD INCORPORATE SOME NEW MEMBERS AND THEN AT SOME POINT THERE WILL BE A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE SUBCOMMITTEE BROUGHT BEFORE THE FULL GOLF ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? AND WE HAD A, A MOTION, YOUNG AND SECOND CONING AND I THINK WE CAN VOTE.
THAT'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE, RECOMMENDATION TO TAKE ACTION TO CREATE THE GOLF OPERATIONS MANUAL AD HOC COMMITTEE AND THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT AD HOC COMMITTEE TO CONSIDER THE SOLUTION OF THE GAC SUBCOMMITTEES AS STANDING COMMITTEES.
CAN I GET A MOTION TO OPEN ITEM? MOTION? OKAY.
SECOND AND SECOND FROM YOUR THANK YOU.
AND ANY PUBLIC COMMENT RELATED TO THIS ITEM? NO.
AND WITH THAT, UH, LORI, I THINK YOU HAVE A FULL SURE.
UM, THANK YOU FOR THAT MOUTHFUL OF A RECOMMENDATION.
AND IT MAY NEED TO BE TWEAKED.
I'M REALIZING AFTER OUR DISCUSSION, UM, WHAT THIS ACTION IS DOING IS, UM, REALLY KIND OF TRYING TO TAKE WHAT WE ARE, THE WAVINGS ARE SORT OF FUNCTIONING AND WORKING RIGHT NOW, UM, AND, UH, FORMALIZE THAT.
UM, IT ALSO IS, UH, A LITTLE BIT MORE IN LINE WITH THE WAY SOME OF OUR OTHER CITY COMMISSIONS AND COMMITTEES ARE OPERATING, UM, NOW THAT EVERYONE'S KIND OF, UM, YOU KNOW, UNDER THE SAME RULES AND REGULATIONS.
SO IT'S, UM, KIND OF, UH, BRINGING US MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE DOING RIGHT NOW.
UM, I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION HERE FOR YOU GUYS.
UM, AND I KNOW SOME OF YOU ARE, ARE NEW TO THE COMMITTEE IN GENERAL, SO YOU MAY NOT BE SUPER FAMILIAR WITH OUR SUBCOMMITTEES.
THE GOLF ADVISORY COMMITTEE DOES HAVE FOUR STANDING SUBCOMMITTEES.
UM, UH, AS YOU SAW TODAY, THEY'RE NOT MEETING REGULARLY, UM, IN MY TIME HERE.
THEY HAVEN'T GENERALLY MET SUPER REGULARLY.
UM, BUT THEY'RE, UM, IN, IN GENERAL STANDING COMMITTEE OR SUBCOMMITTEE, YOU KNOW, HAS LONG-TERM RESPONSIBILITIES.
UM, SOME OF OUR COMMISSIONS HAVE, UM, STANDING, UH, WORKING COMMITTEES THAT, YOU KNOW, MAKE POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, IT'S NOT REALLY IN OUR PURVIEW HERE.
UM, A SUBCOMMITTEE, UH, YOU KNOW, IS IN, UM, EXISTS FOR THE LIFE OF THE COMMITTEE AND, UM, MEMBERS SERVE TERMS, UM, FOR ONE YEAR, UH, FROM, WHICH IS NOW FROM JULY TO JUNE.
UM, AND THE, AS YOU SAW, WE HAVE A SORT OF A STANDING AGENDA ITEM WHERE WE RECEIVE, UH, REPORTS FROM OUR SUBCOMMITTEES.
UM, THE WAY THAT IT HAS GENERALLY BEEN WORKING IS, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH OUR, UH, POLICIES AND PROCEDURES SUBCOMMITTEE, WHICH IS, THAT'S THE SUBCOMMITTEE THAT'S WORKING ON OUR GOLF OPERATIONS MANUAL.
UM, WE HAVE A MEETING SEMI REGULARLY LATELY, UH, SORT OF ON THAT PROJECT FOCUSED BASIS.
UM, WE ALSO GENERALLY ONCE A YEAR HAVE THE FEES AND CHARGES SUBCOMMITTEE MEET, UM, TO LOOK AT THE PROPOSED FEES AND CHARGES FROM AMERICAN GOLF BEFORE IT COMES TO THE FULL COMMITTEE.
UM, WE ALSO PRETTY REGULARLY IN THE FALL HAVE THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT SUBCOMMITTEE MEET TO LOOK AT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS LIST AND ALSO MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO THE FULL COMMITTEE.
UM, WE DO HAVE A MAINTENANCE ENVIRONMENTAL BEST PRACTICES SUBCOMMITTEE THAT HAS MET, UM, KIND OF HERE AND THERE, UM, AS KIND OF ISSUES ARISE.
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UM, WHICH LEADS ME TO, UH, AD HOC COMMITTEES AS THEY'RE DEFINED ARE BASICALLY, UM, I THINK OF THEM AS A TASK AND TIME ORIENTED REALLY.UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GIVEN SOMETHING TO DO.
AND THEN WHEN THAT JOB IS DONE, THEN THAT, UM, COMMITTEE IS DISSOLVED.
UM, SO FOR EXAMPLE, WITH OUR GOLF OPERATIONS MANUAL, YOU COULD HAVE A COMMITTEE THAT'S AN AD HOC COMMITTEE THAT IS DEDICATED TO THAT PROJECT.
UM, WHETHER THAT TAKES ONE MEETING OR TWO YEARS, THEN THAT COMMITTEE IS IN PLACE FOR THAT DURATION OF THE PROJECT.
BUT IT IS PRETTY WELL DEFINED IN THAT WAY.
SO, UM, UH, AND AGAIN, AND THEN THERE IS, UH, REGULAR REPORTING BACK TO THE COMMITTEE THE SAME WAY THAT THE SUBCOMMITTEES HAVE DONE THAT.
UM, AND, UH, SO AS YOU KNOW, TOPICS COME UP, THEN WE WOULD CREATE A NEW AD HOC COMMITTEE, AND ONCE THEY'VE REPORTED BACK OR COMPLETED WHAT WE'VE ASKED THEM TO DO, THEN WE WOULD DISSOLVE THAT AD HOC COMMITTEE.
UM, AND SO INSTEAD OF HAVING A STANDING, I MIGHT BE GETTING AHEAD OF MYSELF, BUT INSTEAD OF HAVING A STANDING AGENDA ITEM FOR, UM, SUBCOMMITTEE STATUS REPORTS, IT WOULD BE TO CONSIDER CREATING AD HOCS, UM, DISSOLVING ANY AD HOCS AND RECEIVING REPORTS FROM CURRENT AD HOCS.
SO IT WOULD BE KIND OF A SIMILAR, UM, WAY THAT YOU'RE USED TO RECEIVING INFORMATION FROM THE SUBCOMMITTEES.
YOU WOULD ELIMINATE STANDING COMMITTEES APPOINTMENT? YES.
UM, AND JUST SOME NOTES HERE ON KIND OF WHY WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING THIS.
UM, IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, SEEN AS BEING A WAY TO KIND OF BE MORE AGILE IN TERMS OF, AND I KNOW THAT WE DON'T, LIKE I SAID, DON'T HAVE A LOT OF LIKE THE HEAVY DUTY, YOU KNOW, BUSINESS WE'RE CONDUCTING OR POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS WE'RE MAKING.
BUT AS YOU KNOW, UM, KIND OF PRIORITIES AND FOCUSES CHANGE, THEN HAVING AD HOC COMMITTEES AS OPPOSED TO YOUR STANDING COMMITTEES KIND OF ALLOWS FOR THAT, UM, ALLOWS YOU TO REALLY DIAL IN ON WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IN THAT PARTICULAR MOMENT.
UM, AS I MENTIONED, WE HAVE, UM, YOU, YOU'D BE LOOKING AT SPECIFIC ISSUES.
SO YOU ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY TO BRING IN EXTERNAL MEMBERS.
UM, SO WE COULD EVEN HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT ON THE GOLF ADVISORY COMMITTEE SITTING ON ONE OF THOSE AD HOC COMMITTEES, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH MAINTENANCE ENVIRONMENTAL BEST PRACTICES, BRINGING IN A SUPERINTENDENT OR SOMETHING, WHICH WE'VE, YOU KNOW, HAD THEM HAD THEM AS GUEST SPEAKERS AT MEETINGS, UM, BEFORE, BUT YOU COULD ACTUALLY ACTUALLY HAVE THEM ON A COMMITTEE IF YOU WANTED.
UM, AND THEN IN TERMS OF RESOURCE COST AND RESOURCE MANAGEMENT, UM, YOU'RE SOMEWHAT AWARE OF THE STAFFING THAT REQUIRE IS REQUIRED AT THESE MEETINGS.
AND THE, THERE'S A LOT OF LIKE PREP WORK THAT GOES INTO, YOU KNOW, MAKING THE AGENDA AND POSTING THE AGENDA AND DOING THE MINUTES AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
IT'S, UM, SO AD HOC COMMITTEES ARE A LITTLE LESS BURDENSOME ON STAFF TIME AND STAFF RESOURCES.
UM, AND SO THEY WOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, THOSE MEETINGS, THE AD HOC COMMITTEE MEETINGS WOULD NOT BE RECORDED.
UM, THEY, WE STILL POST THEM AS PUBLICLY AS WE COULD, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, UM, UH, JUST SEEN AS MORE LIKE CONDUCTING BUSINESS, UM, RATHER THAN BEING SORT OF A PUBLIC FORUM OR A PUBLIC VENUE.
SO, UM, BUT WHATEVER BUSINESS IS CONDUCTED BY THE AD HOC COMMITTEE DOES COME BACK TO THE FULL COMMITTEE AND IS REPORTED OUT.
UM, I THINK THAT MIGHT BE, OH, AND THEN I JUST, UM, WAS NOTING SOME BEST PRACTICES FOR OUR AD HOC COMMITTEES.
AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS AS WE, IF WE DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD IN THIS WAY OR NOT.
UM, UH, WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IS HAVE A SPECIFIC SCOPE A, YOU KNOW, A SPECIFIC MAYBE OUTCOME THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
UM, YOU WANNA HAVE THOSE AND WE WOULD STILL PROBABLY HAVE AD HOC COMMITTEES THAT FALL UNDER WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN OUR STANDING SUBCOMMITTEES TOPICS.
UM, JUST BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE FOCUS ON A LOT.
UM, WE LOOK FOR MEMBERS WHO OBVIOUSLY ARE INTERESTED IN WHATEVER THE SUBJECT MATTER IS THAT THE AD HOC COMMITTEE'S LOOKING AT.
UM, WE'D LOOK FOR, IT'S STILL A SMALL GROUP, IT HAS TO BE LESS THAN A QUORUM, SO IT WOULD BE FOUR MEMBERS OR FEWER.
UM, AND WE'D WANT TO KIND OF SEE, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT PEOPLE PARTICIPATING IF WE COULD.
UM, WE'LL STILL BE OBVIOUSLY SUPPORTING IT, SCHEDULING IT, HOSTING IT, UM, DOING THAT KIND OF, UH, WORK FOR YOU GUYS, UH, PROVIDING INFORMATION OR RECORDS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
UM, AND THEN, UM, THAT AD HOC COMMITTEE WOULD, UH, APPOINT SOMEONE TO REPORT BACK TO THE FULL COMMITTEE, UM, WHEN IT COMES BACK.
AND SO IF THIS IS, IF YOU GUYS WANT TO MOVE FORWARD IN THIS WAY, UM, I, THE REASON THAT THOSE TWO, UH, AD HOC COMMITTEES
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ARE SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED IN THE RECOMMENDATION IS BECAUSE WE ARE STILL WORKING ON THE, UM, MANUAL AND I DON'T WANT TO LOSE THAT MOMENTUM.UM, SO WE WOULD, UH, CREATE THE AD HOC COMMITTEE TO CONTINUE LOOKING AT THAT.
AND, UM, WE WOULD NEED TO ESTABLISH AN AD HOC COMMITTEE BECAUSE THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT LIST WILL COME TO THE FULL COMMITTEE AT OUR NEXT REGULAR MEETING.
SO WE'D WANT TO HAVE THAT GROUP MEET BEFORE THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING.
SO I DID ALREADY HAVE THOSE, UM, KIND OF SET INTO THE RECOMMENDATION, BUT IF THERE ARE MORE AD HOC COMMITTEES YOU WANT TO FORM RIGHT NOW, WE COULD ALSO DO THAT.
UM, AND WE WOULD NEED TO AMEND THE GULF ADVISORY COMMITTEE BYLAWS TO REMOVE THOSE STANDING SUBCOMMITTEES.
UM, AMENDING THE BYLAWS IS SOMETHING I ALREADY NEED TO DO WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY BECAUSE, UH, WE DON'T, UM, FOLLOW THE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE NEW RULES THAT ARE APPLYING TO ALL COMMISSIONS AND COMMITTEES RIGHT NOW.
THERE'S A FEW OTHER LIKE, COME KIND OF ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATES I NEED TO MAKE ANYWAY.
SO, UM, THAT'S NOT, THAT WOULDN'T BE TOO MUCH OF AN ASK THERE.
AND THEN, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, UM, IT WOULD BE A REGULAR AGENDA ITEM TO RECEIVE REPORTS TO CREATE ANY NEW ONES THAT ARE NEEDED AND THEN TO DISSOLVE ANY THAT, UM, WE DON'T NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH.
UH, I BELIEVE THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT.
I'LL, I'LL, UH, LOOK TO THE MEMBERS FOR QUESTIONS ON MAYBE WE'LL, WE'LL START.
UM, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA BECAUSE WE'VE HAD SOME STANDING SUBCOMMITTEES THAT, LIKE YOU SAID, THEY'VE, THEY'VE SORT OF MET WHEN THERE HAS BEEN A PARTICULAR ISSUE BUT HAVEN'T MET WITH ANY REGULARITY.
THE ENVIRONMENTAL BEST PRACTICES BEING ONE.
MY QUESTION IS THAT RIGHT NOW THE SUBCOMMITTEES COULD CREATE THEIR OWN AGENDA PRIOR TO A MEETING.
RIGHT? SO IF WE HAD, THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT, SO IF THE GOLF ADVISORY COMMITTEE SENDS SOMETHING TO THE FEES AND CHARGES COMMITTEE, BUT THE FEES AND CHARGES SUBCOMMITTEE COULD ADD AN AGENDA ITEM AT THAT MEETING, IS THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD IT NOW, IT WOULD BE THE, THE GOLF ADVISORY COMMITTEE HAS TO SPECIFICALLY ASSIGN A TASK AND A SPECIFIC AGENDA FOR THAT SUBCOMMITTEE.
SO THEY WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE RESTRICTED IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY, THE SCOPE SHOULD BE.
I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY HOW THE AGENDA ITSELF WOULD WORK, BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE SOMETHING THAT APPLIES TO ITS CHARTER AS YOU WILL.
SO IF WE CREATED THE GOLF OPERATIONS MANUAL AD HOC COMMITTEE, WE WOULDN'T THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT NETTING ON NUMBER FOUR AT BIG REC.
ONE, ONE OTHER QUESTION AS FAR AS MEMBERSHIP, I MEAN, WE HAVE STANDING COMMITTEES AND WE GET ASSIGNED TO DIFFERENT SUBCOMMITTEES SO THAT IT'S NOT THE SAME FOUR ON EVERY COMMITTEE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE MIGHT BE SOME PROTOCOL THAT MAKES SURE THAT IF IT WORKS OUT THAT ONLY TWO COMMITTEES MEET IN A YEAR, THAT IT ISN'T THE SAME FOR THAT VOLUNTEERED.
WE, WE WANT TO HAVE DIFFERENT VOICES AT THESE COMMITTEES.
UM, YEAH, I THINK THE, UM, GENERAL BEST PRACTICE IS TO HAVE DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
I THINK THAT, UM, I'VE HEARD, UH, IN A, IN A DIFFERENT COMMISSIONS MEETING, I HEARD A CITY ATTORNEY, UM, JUST MENTIONING THAT IF YOU HAD SOMEONE THAT WAS ON TWO AD HOC COMMITTEES, YOU WOULD NOT WANT THE SORT OF THE SAME BUSINESS BEING DISCUSSED AT BOTH BY THAT PERSON.
BUT AGAIN, I THINK IF YOU, IF YOU ARE CLEAR IN, IN THE WAY YOU'VE ESTABLISHED THAT AHO COMMITTEE, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE AT RISK OF REALLY DOING THAT.
SO IT GOES BACK TO SORT OF THOSE BEST PRACTICES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MEMBERS? I HAVE ONE PROCEDURAL QUESTION THAT I WOULD ENCOURAGE LORI TO DO.
LET'S, WOULD THERE HAVE TO BE AN AGENDA ITEM TO CREATE AN AD HOC COMMITTEE? IF SOMETHING CAME UP TODAY, GARY HAD GIVEN HIS REPORT ON THIS GOLF BALL NET.
SAY YOU WANTED TO DO AN AD HOC COMMITTEE ON AN ON ITEM FOUR, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO APPOINT AN AD HOC COMMITTEE IF THERE WASN'T AN AGENDA ITEM THAT DAY? 'CAUSE THAT WOULD THEN PUSH THAT DISCUSSION OF A AD HOC COMMITTEE THREE MONTHS.
I THINK TO BOTH OF THOSE, WE WILL HAVE, AND THIS IS MAYBE NOT THE BEST EXAMPLE, BUT THERE WILL BE, THERE IS ALWAYS A STANDING ITEM TO CREATE ANY NECESSARY ITEM AD DOCUMENT, CREATE ANY MM-HMM.
UM, YES, THAT WILL, THAT WILL BE A STANDING ITEM.
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YOU KNOW, AND I THINK THAT ANY MEMBER COULD ALSO MAKE A MOTION AT ANY TIME, YOU KNOW, BRING THAT FORWARD IF THEY, IF THEY WANTED TO AND FOR SOME REASON WEREN'T ON THE AGENDA.SO IF, IF I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THE 2223 SUBCOMMITTEE ROSTER LIST AND THERE WERE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES.
SO THAT'S GONNA BE THE GOLF OPERATIONS MANUAL.
YOU WANT THAT TO BE THE SAME? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING FOR THAT ONE? UM, I, I SUPPOSE WE, SO I, 'CAUSE THAT WAS, I GUESS I WAS THINKING THAT THE MEMBERSHIP MIGHT STAY THE SAME BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT.
THAT IT WAS MORE THAT THE, THE POLICIES OF PROCEDURES SUBCOMMITTEE HAS BEEN WORKING ON THAT PROJECT.
SO THEN THAT BECOMES AN AD HOC COMMITTEE.
WE HAVEN'T MET EVEN MORE THAN A YEAR.
BUT IF THERE WERE ANY, UM, ISSUES RELATED TO MAINTENANCE OR ENVIRONMENTAL BEST PRACTICES THAT WE WANT OKAY.
TO HAVE A, A TEAM LOOK AT, THEN WE CAN CREATE A NEW AD HOC AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AND INFRASTRUCTURE WOULD BECOME AN AD HOC MM-HMM.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN WE MEET IN DECEMBER, YEAH.
WHEN WE MEET IN DECEMBER, I BELIEVE WE'D THEN CREATE AN AD HOC FOR HE AND CHARGES.
BECAUSE OF THE TIMING OF HOW THAT WOULD WORK.
SO RATHER THAN HAVING STANDING SUBCOMMITTEES, YOU'LL DO THE AD HOCS AS NEEDED.
DOES THAT SUMMARIZE IT? KIND OF.
JUST MY LITTLE BRAIN NEEDS TO CLARIFY.
DO YOU HAVE TO FORMALLY CLOSE THE AD HOC MEETING OR DO YOU HAVE TO, YOU, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT SETTING ONE UP AND FORMALIZING IT.
DO YOU HAVE TO ALSO SAY THIS IT'S DONE AND CLOSE IT UP TOO? YES.
AND IT'S THE, IT'S THE SAME ACTION ITEM.
CREATE ANY THAT ARE NEEDED, DISSOLVE ANY THAT ARE NOT NEEDED.
IT'S NOT, YOU DON'T NECESSARILY NAME THEM OUT THE WAY I DID HERE.
UM, IT'S JUST A STANDING ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FOR MEMBERS? OKAY.
WE HAD MOTION CONKY SECOND YOUNG.
AND WITH THAT, I THINK WE ARE READY FOR THE ROLL CALL VOTE.
I, IF I CAN MAKE A SUGGESTION, I THINK WE MIGHT WANT TO MAKE A FRIENDLY TO, UM, TO DISSOLVE THE SUBCOMMITTEES RATHER THAN JUST TO CONSIDER THE DISSOLUTION.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO, UH, JUST TO CLARIFY.
SO WE NEED, WE UM, WE MIGHT AS A GOLF ADVISORY COMMITTEE WANT TO CLARIFY DISSOLVING THE STANDING GAC SUBCOMMITTEES EXCEPT FOR THE OPERATIONS MANUAL AND THEN CREATE MM-HMM,
'CAUSE I LIKE TO SEE THAT OPERATIONS MANUAL A FINISH TO THAT FROM OUR COMMITTEE WITH LARRY.
SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A MOTION TO CREATE THE GOLF OPERATIONS MANUAL AD HOC COMMITTEE AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS AD HOC COMMITTEE AND CONSIDER THE DISSOLVING THE GAP SUBCOMMITTEE.
SO RATHER THAN CONSIDER, WE NEED TO ACTUALLY CHANGE THAT TO DISSOLVE, DISSOLVE, DISSOLVE.
UM, SO I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO, RATHER THAN CONSIDER, BUT ACTUALLY DISSOLVE THE STANDING GAPS OF COMMITTEES.
AND ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? OKAY.
AND THEN I THINK WITH THAT, WE ARE NOW READY FOR A VOTE.
IS THAT, DID THAT GET US THERE? YES.
ARE WE GONNA LIST THE MEMBERS ON EACH OF THOSE COMMITTEES OF FIRST
SO THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION.
CAN A PERSON BE ADDED? YOU SAID, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A CAP IN TERMS OF HOW MANY GOLF ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEMBERS, BUT IF THERE WAS SOMEONE, ANOTHER MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC THAT YOU WANTED TO HAVE JOINED, WOULD THAT PERSON NEED TO BE SPECIFICALLY ADDED AT A MEETING LIKE THIS OR CAN THEY BE ADDED? OKAY.
I WILL FIND THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.
WE HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME FIGURING OUT THIS PROCEDURE THIS YEAR, SO WE'RE GETTING THERE.
ALRIGHT, WITH THAT, I THINK WE ARE READY FOR YEAH, VOTE.
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DO YOU HAVE YOUR SUBCOMMITTEES LIST? DO YOU WANT THE LIST? IT'S THE 20.ARE WE KEEPING IT'S AN OLD ONE.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE GOT A, A MORE CURRENT ONE.
SO ONE, IS THERE A MORE CURRENT ONE? RESTATE I RESET IT.
I CAN DO IT FOR YOU IF YOU NEED.
YOU WANT ME TO RESTATE IT? YES.
SO THE MOTION IS TO RECOMMEND CREATING THE GOLF OPERATIONS MANUAL AD HOC COMMITTEE AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS AD HOC COMMITTEE AND DISSOLVE THE STANDING GAPS SUBCOMMITTEES.
AND WITH THAT, WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON TO CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR ELECTION AND WE'VE BEEN GIVEN A VERY SPECIFIC PROTOCOL ON HOW TO GO ABOUT SELECTING A, A CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR FOR THE UPCOMING TERM.
SO I'M NOW GONNA READ THE SCRIPT HERE.
SO WE ARE NOW, UH, GONNA BEGIN WITH THE POSITION OF CHAIR OPEN NOMINATION.
DECLARE THE NOMINATIONS OPEN FOR THE CHAIR OF THE GOLF ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
EACH MEMBER MAY NOMINATE ONE PERSON FOR CHAIR, INCLUDING YOURSELF.
THESE NOMINATIONS DO NOT REQUIRE A SECOND.
SO I WILL NOW OPEN IT FOR NOMINATIONS.
I NOMINATE KEVIN FITZGERALD FOR CHAIR SECOND.
THAT WHERE DON'T NEED YOU DON'T NEED SECOND, YOU CAN SECOND IT WITH YOUR VOTE.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? OKAY.
THERE BEING NO FURTHER NOMINATIONS.
I DECLARE THE NOMINATIONS CLOSED FOR CHAIR AND I'M GONNA CALL FROM MYSELF TO SPEAK
THIS IS AN INTERESTING SCRIPT, SO MY APOLOGIES.
IN, IN THE ORDER NOMINATED, I INVITE EACH NOMINATED TO BRIEFLY SHARE WHY YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE ELECTED CHAIR.
FIRST, WE WILL HEAR FROM THE ONE PERSON NOMINATED IN THIS CASE, AND I WILL SAY THANK YOU FOR, UH, THE NOMINATION.
UM, I, I WOULD BE AN HONOR TO BE THE CHAIR.
WE'VE WORKED VERY HARD THIS YEAR TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT THE NEW PROTOCOLS AND THANK YOU ALL FOR BEARING WITH ME.
UM, WE'VE, WE'VE, UH, I THINK WE'VE MADE SOME PROGRESS.
SO WITH THAT, I WOULD, UM, GLADLY, UH, SAY THANK YOU TO THE NOMINATION.
AND WITH THAT, I BELIEVE WE'RE READY FOR, UH, FOR THE VOTE.
SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF KEVIN FITZGERALD FOR CHAIR, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.
ARE WE DOING HAND OR I'LL DO THE, OH, ROLL.
AND I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU FOR, UH, GIVING ME THE CHANCE TO, TO TRY THE POSITION OF CHAIR.
UM, WE DID LOSE OUR CHAIR THIS YEAR, SO IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN A CHALLENGE.
AND THEN AS I SAY, WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE TRIED TO FIGURE OUT THE NEW PROTOCOL AND MOTIONS EARLIER IN THE PROCESS.
SO THANK YOU ALL FOR PARTICIPATING AND WE'LL, WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN MAKE THE NEXT TERM THAT MUCH MORE EFFICIENT.
SO WITH THAT, WE WILL NOW MOVE TO THE POSITION OF VICE CHAIR AND NOW
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DECLARE THE NOMINATIONS OPEN FOR THE VICE CHAIR OF THE GOLF ADVISORY COMMITTEE.EACH MEMBER MAY NOMINATE ONE PERSON FOR VICE CHAIR, INCLUDING YOURSELF.
THESE NOMINATIONS DO NOT REQUIRE A SECOND OR OPEN FOR NOMINATIONS.
WE HAVE A NOMINATION FOR LARRY KINS.
THERE BEING NO FURTHER NOMINATIONS.
I DECLARE THE NOMINATIONS CLOSED FOR VICE CHAIR CALLING THE NOMINEE TO SPEAK.
THANK YOU JOYCE, FOR THE NOMINATION AND I'LL GLADLY SERVE IF ELECTED.
AND NOW I WILL ASK FOR NOMINEE TO BRIEFLY SHARE WHY YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE ELECTED.
WE DONE WELL FOLLOWING YOUR LEAD.
I THINK IT'S BEEN A TRYING YEAR, GETTING THE POLICIES IN PLACE AND, AND KIND OF LEARNING THE NEW SCRIPT OF HOW THE MEETINGS GO AND, AND THE POLICIES, WHAT THE CITY WANTS US TO DO.
SO GLADLY LIKE TO CONTINUE THAT SERVE WITH YOU AND THE COMMITTEE.
I'LL NOW CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND WITH THAT, I THINK WE'RE READY FOR THE VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF LARRY CONING FOR VICE CHAIR MEMBER ILEY? YES.
UH, VICE CHAIR FITZGERALD? YES.
AND WITH THAT WE'LL MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
THIS TIME WE'LL TAKE NON-AG AGENDA, PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND WITH THAT MOVE ON TO ANNOUNCEMENTS, MEMBERS AND STAFF.
ARE THERE ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS? NO.
WELL, WITH THAT, THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.
EASILY SECURED A QUORUM TODAY AT 3 23.
IF THERE'S NO OBJECTION TO DECLARE THE MEETING ADJOURNED, GOOD JOB.