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          MR. LELAND, COULD YOU PLEASE CONDUCT OUR, UH, WORLD CALL CHAIR MURRAY. 
          HERE, VICE CHAIRMAN. 
          RE COMMISSIONER ATKINS MCPHAIL. 
          HERE. 
          COMMISSIONER CARLIN? HERE. 
          COMMISSIONER CAGER? HERE. 
          COMMISSIONER LAND. 
          COMMISSIONER MARINO. 
          HERE. 
          COMMISSIONER ZA HERE. 
          YOU HAVE A QUORUM? OKAY. 
          FOR THE RECORD, UH, VICE CHAIRMAN MCRAY AND COMMISSIONER LAMB ARE EXCUSED FROM THIS MEETING. 
          ANY OTHER OBJECTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? WE'RE GONNA PROCEED FORWARD WITH THE QUORUM THAT WE HAVE PRESENT, AND WE WILL START WITH THE REGULAR AGENDA, AND I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS THEY WERE DISTRIBUTED. 
          SO MOVED. 
          SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY, UH, ANY COMMENTS ON THOSE MINUTES? ANY ADDITION TO CREATE, UM, FROM THE COMMISSION OR FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC? THEN WE'LL CALL FOR THE QUESTION. 
          ALL APPROVED AND THE EXTENSIONS ARE NEGATIVE. 
          ALRIGHT, THEN THOSE MINUTES ARE APPROVED, IS DISTRIBUTED. 
          UH, WE'RE GONNA NEXT, UH, IT WILL, UH, HEAR A PRESENTED, UH, THE, UM, PRESENTATION ON THE MARINA GREEN PROJECT BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN ANY MOTION ON THAT ONE. 
          TODD, DO YOU HAVE TO GET THE MOTIONS OR, I WAS CORRECTED TODAY WHEN I GOT SOME COUNSELING ON THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE THE PRESENTATION ON THE MARINA GREEN MOVE. 
          OKAY. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          ALRIGHT, LET'S PROCEED THEN AND GET THIS GOING FOR OUR GUEST. 
          UH, LIZ GENERAL WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE, UH, DJ KELLY. 
          HE IS OUR PROJECT MANAGER, LEAD FROM SOMAS ON BEHALF OF PUBLIC WORKS, HE WILL BE TAKING YOU THROUGH A SLIDESHOW PRESENTATION. 
          THANKS, TODD. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. 
          UM, HERE ON BEHALF OF PUBLIC WORKS TO TALK ABOUT THE MARINA GREEN PARKING LOT PROJECT. 
          UM, AS TODD SAID, MY NAME IS DJ KELLY. 
          I'M A CONSULTANT PROJECT MANAGER WITH PUBLIC WORKS. 
          UM, I WORK WITH SOMI AND I'VE BEEN, UH, LEADING THE CHART ON THIS PROJECT. 
          OUR DESIGN TEAM FOR THIS ONE INVOLVES RJM DESIGN GROUP, AS WELL AS CTECH, WHO'S BEEN HANDLING A LOT OF THE CIVIL WORK FOR THE PROJECT. 
          UH, OUR CONTRACTORS, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH ALL AMERICAN ASPHALT AND, UH, VANCOR ON THE SCOPE OF WORK FOR THIS PROJECT. 
          JUST AS A QUICK REMINDER, UH, THE MARINA GREEN PARKING LOT, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS PARKING LOT DOWNTOWN, UH, RIGHT NEXT TO THE MARINA, KIND OF BETWEEN SHORELINE VILLAGE AND ALAMEDA BEACH THERE. 
          SO FOR OUR PROJECT SCOPE, WE HAVE AN EXISTING, UH, 10 76 SPACE PARKING LOT. 
          UH, OUR SCOPE OF THE PROJECT WILL INVOLVE A MILLEN OVERLAY OF THE EXISTING PAYMENT THAT'S OUT THERE. 
          UM, TO BE CLEAR, WE ARE NOT PROPOSING, UH, ANY REDUCTION IN SPACES. 
          SO WE'LL BE MAINTAINING THE AVAILABLE PARKING THAT IS OUT THERE TODAY AS PART OF THIS PROJECT. 
          UM, WE'LL ALSO BE MAKING SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO ACCESSIBILITY OF THE SIDEWALKS AND CURB RAMP THROUGHOUT THE PARKING LOT, UM, ADDING SOME NEW EV STATIONS. 
          AND WE ALSO HAVE A TURNAROUND AT THE, UH, NORTHEAST CORNER THAT WILL HELP WITH SOME OF THE TRAFFIC FLOW ISSUES UP IN THAT AREA. 
          UM, WE'LL ALSO HAVE SOME NEW LANDSCAPING THAT WILL BE GOING IN AS PART OF THE PROJECT. 
          SO, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THIS ONE. 
          UH, THIS PROJECT WAS INITIALLY STARTED BACK IN 2013 WITH SOME OF THE OTHER BEACH PARKING LOT UPGRADES THAT WERE TAKING PLACE. 
          UM, THERE WAS A, UH, COASTAL PERMIT WAIVER THAT WAS ISSUED FOR THE PROJECT, AND WE'VE CONFIRMED THAT IT, IT IS STILL ACTIVE TODAY, WHICH MAKES THINGS A LITTLE EASIER FOR US. 
          UM, BUT THE PROJECT WAS KIND OF SHELVED BACK THEN DUE TO, UH, LACK OF FUNDING TO CONTINUE WITH THIS ONE. 
          SO LAST YEAR WE RECEIVED, UH, SOME SUPPLEMENTAL FUNDING THROUGH PUBLIC WORKS AND ALSO, UH, THROUGH MARINA TO BE ABLE TO KICK BACK OFF THE DESIGN, UM, REFRESH OUR PLANS, UPDATES CURRENT CODES, AND ALSO INCORPORATE THE EV CHARGING AS PART OF OUR REFRESH SCOPE FOR THAT. 
          SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THAT OVER THE LAST YEAR HERE. 
          UM, WE'RE CONTINUING, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH BUILDING AND SAFETY AND, AND SOCAL EDISON ON THE UPDATED SCOPE. 
          AND, UH, WE'RE TARGETING THIS FALL TO BEGIN THE START OF CONSTRUCTION. 
          SO I MENTIONED SOME OF THE A DA IMPROVEMENTS, UM, FOR THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN OUT THERE. 
          YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR, WE HAVE SOME SIDEWALKS LIKE THIS WHERE THERE'S NO CURB RAMP. 
          AND SO WE'RE IMPROVING THE ACCESSIBLE PATHWAY, UM, BY ADDING CURB RAMPS AT THESE LOCATIONS. 
          UH, WE'LL ALSO BE ADDING EV CHARGERS. 
          SO THE, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR FROM SOME OF THE OTHER BEACH PARKING LOTS, THESE ARE THE CHARGEPOINT CHARGERS THAT HAVE BEEN INSTALLED. 
          UH, WE'RE PROPOSING A TOTAL OF SIX DUAL CHARGING 
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STATIONS, SO THERE'LL BE 12 TOTAL EV STALLS. 
          UM, THE WAY THAT WE HAVE 'EM, UH, THE WAY THAT WE HAVE 'EM LAID OUT, THERE'LL BE SIX THAT ARE ON THE SIDE OF THE PARKING LOT THAT FACES THE PUBLIC. 
          AND THEN SIX ON THE SIDE THAT FACE THE BOAT OWNER PARKING. 
          UM, JUST TO, TO BACK UP. 
          SO THIS WILL BE NEAR THE ENTRANCE FROM LINDON AVENUE. 
          THERE'S A MEDIAN THAT RUNS BETWEEN THE TWO, AND WE HAVE THEM ALIGNED ON THERE SO THAT THEY'LL FACE BOTH DIRECTIONS. 
          ALSO, I MENTIONED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER RIGHT NOW THE PARKING LOT JUST KIND OF DEAD ENDS THERE. 
          AND IF YOU'RE TRYING TO GET OUT, YOU HAVE TO DO A, A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH OR, OR REVERSE YOUR WAY OUT OF THERE. 
          SO WE HAVE A TURNAROUND THAT'S BEING CONSTRUCTED AT THAT CORNER THAT WILL REALLY HELP TO TURN AROUND, AND ESPECIALLY WITH THE INCREASED ACTIVITY AT THE ALAMEDA SPEECH AREA RIGHT THERE. 
          UM, SHOULD ALSO ASSIST, ASSIST WITH DROP OFFS AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT AS NEEDED. 
          UM, THIS DOES TAKE SOME OF THE PARKING SPACES IN THIS AREA, BUT WE HAD OTHER AREAS THROUGHOUT THAT STRIP OF THE PUBLIC PARKING WHERE WE WERE ABLE TO, UM, RE REESTABLISH THOSE PARKING SPACES TO MAINTAIN OUR CURRENT STALL COUNT. 
          SO JUST A HIGH LEVEL VIEW OF OUR, OUR FUNDING FOR THE PROJECT. 
          SO BETWEEN THE TIDELANDS AND CAPITAL, TIDELAND CAPITAL AND THE FY 24 MARINA FUNDS, WE HAVE ROUGHLY 3.9 MILLION IN FUNDING FOR THE PROJECT. 
          AND BETWEEN CONSTRUCTION AND OUR OVERALL PROJECT DELIVERY COSTS, WE'RE AT ABOUT 3.8, SO UPCOMING CONSTRUCTION. 
          UM, AND THE REASON I'M HERE TODAY, WE'RE LOOKING TO GET STARTED WITH THE PAVING AND CONCRETE WORK, UH, NEXT MONTH. 
          UM, THE PARKING LOT IS GOING TO REMAIN OPEN TO USERS DURING CONSTRUCTION. 
          UH, WE HAD AT ONE POINT TALKED ABOUT KIND OF CLOSING BIG CHUNKS, BUT WE'RE ABLE TO, UM, TIGHTEN UP OUR CLOSURES. 
          WE'LL HAVE TEMPORARY CLOSURES AS THEY'RE WORKING IN PARTICULAR AREAS. 
          SO WE MAY HAVE SOME PARKING STALLS THAT ARE, THAT ARE CLOSED OFF AROUND THE IMMEDIATE CONSTRUCTION AREA, BUT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN ACCESS THROUGH THE PARKING LOT. 
          AND, UM, WE WILL JUST BE, NEED TO KEEP AN EYE OUT FOR ANY TEMPORARY SIGNAGE AS PARTICULAR AREAS ARE ARE IN, IN CONSTRUCTION, UH, THE TARGETS TO BE FINISHED IN FEBRUARY OF NEXT YEAR. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO GET IN AND OUT OF THERE BEFORE THEY START SETTING UP FOR GRAND PRIX AGAIN. 
          UM, IN THE SPRING, THE EV CHARGING STATIONS WILL BE IN A, AT A SEPARATE TIME. 
          I'M STILL WORKING WITH EDISON ON THE TIMELINE TO EXTEND THEIR SERVICE. 
          UM, BUT JUST WANTED TO INCLUDE THOSE AS PART OF OUR UPDATE ON THE PROJECT. 
          AND THAT WAS SHORT AND SWEET. 
          BUT THAT'S, THAT'S A HIGH LEVEL UPDATE OF OUR PROJECT AND I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE. 
          AND, AND ANY QUESTIONS MAY HAVE, COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE BUDGET WHERE YOU SAID AS ONE? OKAY. 
          SO SOURCES, THERE'S THREE, 3 MILLION 913 518, AND THEN THE TOTAL, SO 757,000 IS A MINUS OR IS TRYING TO SEE BECAUSE JUST A DASH THE WAY IT'S FORMATTED IT. 
          YEAH, IT'S, IT'S A DASH. 
          THE, THE FORMATTING, IT'S, IT'S THE, THE 7 57 IS, IS THE TOTAL FOR PROJECT DELIVERY COSTS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN CONSTRUCTION IS 3,000,051. 
          SO WHEN YOU ADD THE, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT TOTAL IS 3 8 0 8. 
          SO THERE'S, THERE'S 3 MILLION FOR USE AND 3,900,000 FOR SOURCES OR . 
          SO I'M GETTING CONFUSED LOOKING AT THIS. 
          SURE. 
          SORRY. 
          SO WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M, OUR, OUR TOTAL FUNDING, WE HAVE MORE THAN, THAN WE'RE, THAN WE NEED. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO CUT DOWN. 
          OKAY. 
          I HAD A QUESTION. 
          UH, THOSE SPOTS ARE NON-PAID RIGHT NOW OR IS IT A PAID PARKING LOT FOR THE PUBLIC? SO CURRENTLY THE STRIP ALONG THE TOP OF THE PARKING LOT YEAH. 
          IS PAID PARKING FOR PUBLIC, UH, PUBLIC PARKING. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER IS PERMITTED, UH, FOR BOAT OWNERS. 
          ARE THERE GONNA BE ANY UPDATED SIGNS, UM, FOR, YOU KNOW, LIKE INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW PEOPLE CAN PAY FOR THEIR PARKING? LIKE ANY ADDITIONAL SIGNS THERE? THERE'S NO, THERE'S CURRENT SIGNAGE OUT THERE NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, FOR THE, FOR THE PAY STATION. 
          SO WE WEREN'T PROPOSING ANY NEW SIGNAGE FOR THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          GOOD. 
          UM, HOW MANY TOTAL STALLS ARE THERE? SO THERE'S 1076 STALLS, UH, TODAY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND ONLY 12 ARE EV. 
          YES. 
          HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH THAT NUMBER FOR 12? SO, BECAUSE IT'S A, BECAUSE IT'S A RE THERE'S NOT AN ACTUAL REQUIREMENT TO ADD 'EM, WE BASE THAT NUMBER OFF OF THE EV PARKING INSTALLS THAT ARE IN SOME OF OUR OTHER BEACH PARKING LOTS TO TRY AND BE CONSISTENT WITH THAT. 
          IS THERE A WAY THAT I, I, I DON'T, I JUST  IF WE'RE GOING TOWARDS GREEN AND LIKE SUSTAINABILITY AS A CITY 12 OUT OF 1076, 
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I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THAT'S WHAT PERCENTAGE THAT IS, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S A NEGLIGIBLE ONE. 
          IS THERE A WAY TO, I DON'T KNOW WHO WOULD HAVE TO RETHINK THAT, BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE MAYBE RETHINKING THAT AMOUNT OF EV SPACES. 
          SO I DO KNOW THAT THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN HAS SOME CAPACITY TO EXPAND THAT IN THE FUTURE. 
          UM, BUT I CAN, I CAN CERTAINLY TAKE THAT BACK TO THE TEAM. 
          YEAH. 
          THANKS. 
          AND THEN I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THOSE ARE IN LOCATIONS THAT HAVE GOOD CAMERA VIEW, SO IF WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE RECYCLERS THAT WE'VE HAD IN OTHER AREAS, IT'D BE LESS VANDALISM. 
          THAT'S A GOOD ONE. 
          I'LL PREFER TO TITLE ON THAT ONE. 
          YES. 
          UH, THE AREA WHERE THESE, THESE ARE GONNA BE LOCATED, THEY'RE BRACKET BY THE CAMERAS THAT ARE IN PLACE AT ALAMEDA SPEECH AS WELL AS NEAR, UH, GANGWAY, GIGI AND GANGWAY. 
          EE. 
          NO. 
          EE, YEAH. 
          EE BY, YEAH. 
          THEY'RE BRACKETED ON THREE SIDES. 
          WELL, IT'LL BE A WELCOME PROJECT BECAUSE I RIDE MY BIKE ON THAT PARKING LOT. 
          , THAT'S MY PARKING LOT. 
          YOUR, YOUR LIFE IN YOUR HANDS. 
          PUT THE POTHOLES AND, AND, UH, THE BUMPS AND EVERYTHING THAT ARE THERE. 
          SO YEAH, IT'S A WELCOME PROJECT. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? YEAH. 
          AND I KNOW THERE'S DEVELOPMENT GOING DOWNTOWN, LIKE PV SIX AND 30 ARE, ARE YOU IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE SORT OF, I IMAGINING AND REIMAGINING THE SHORELINE THAT'S HAPPENING THERE? I'M, I'M SORRY, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE PV SIX AND 30. 
          SO, PD PD SIX, PD PD 30 ARE THE, UH, VISIONING PROJECTS FOR DOWNTOWN LONG BEACH AND THE SHORELINE OF DOWNTOWN LONG BEACH. 
          UH, THIS IS IN MODEST ALIGNMENT WITH THAT, UH, AS THESE ARE PARKING STRUCTURES THAT WILL SUPPORT ANY VISIONING MOVING FORWARD IN THE AROUND, UH, SURROUNDING AREAS. 
          YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE, 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT I'M ON THE, UM, I THINK STEERING COMMITTEE OR THE GROUP, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT SUGGESTING THINGS THAT MAY UNDO OR IMPACT THIS $3.8 MILLION PROJECT. 
          SO THAT'S ALL I'M TRYING TO SORT OF HIGHLIGHT THERE. 
          'CAUSE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT GETTING NEW PARKING SPACES, NEW AMPHITHEATERS, ET CETERA, AND IT MIGHT BLEED INTO THIS AREA. 
          SO I WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT THOSE PROJECTS ARE ALIGNED AND THERE'S CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN THE TWO. 
          HAVE YOU EXPLORED IT WITH, I'LL, I'LL NEED TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT. 
          IT, I, I WASN'T FAMILIAR WITH THAT PROJECT, BUT I'LL, I'LL CALL WITH TODD TO MAKE SURE WE'RE IN ALIGNMENT WITH THAT. 
          NOT AS OF YET, BUT IF THESE AREAS WERE TO BE UTILIZED IN THE VISIONING, UH, LIKE MOVING FORWARD, THEY WOULD CONTINUE TO BE PARKING AREAS. 
          GOT IT. 
          BUT THE PARKING WOULD BE ELEVATED. 
          UH, THEY'D BRING IN STRUCTURES, POTENTIALLY, UH, PARKING STRUCTURES TO ACTUALLY ALLOW FOR MORE PARKING IN THOSE AREAS FOR THE VISION OF THE SURROUNDING AREA. 
          GREAT. 
          JUST WON'T, DON'T WANNA UNDO THE WORK THAT YOU ALL ARE WORKING TOWARDS. 
          I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. 
          UM, THERE'S A COUPLE OF TREES THAT'S LIKE ON THE MEDIAN OF THE PARKING LOT. 
          ARE YOU GUYS KEEPING 'EM OR, SO WE DO INTEND TO MAINTAIN THE TREES THAT ARE THERE TODAY. 
          UM, I DIDN'T MENTION IN HERE, BUT PART OF OUR SCOPE ALSO, WE, UH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH ON TREATMENT OF THOSE TREES TO ENCOURAGE THEIR HEALTH AND SO THAT WE CAN KEEP THOSE MOVING FORWARD. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? WHAT ABOUT THE GENERAL PUBLIC? ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS? UH, YEAH, THE COMMISSIONER BROUGHT UP THE, UH, PAUCITY OF CHARGING STATIONS IN THAT LOT. 
          AND, UH, IF THERE AREN'T OTHER COST OVERRUNS, PERHAPS SOME OF THAT $100,000 EXTRA COULD BE USED TO PUT IN SOME MORE HARD CHARGING STATIONS. 
          WE WILL. 
          YEAH. 
          WE'LL DEFINITELY. 
          I'LL NEED TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THAT. 
          UH, THAT BEING THAT THAT'S A LITTLE FURTHER OUT THAN OUR HARDSCAPE, WE MAY HAVE SOME OPPORTUNITY TO ADJUST THERE. 
          SO THAT'S GOOD FEEDBACK. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          AND, AND, AND, UH, WHAT POINT ON THE, UH, EV CHARGERS AS THEY GET INTO A PLACE OF HAVING TO INCREASE THE SERVICE OUT THERE, IS THAT WHAT THAT THAT'S PART OF IT BECAUSE WE HAVE A SWITCH GEAR, A SWITCHBOARD THAT'S SETS BACK NOW THAT, UM, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, HAS LAN THAT HAS CAPACITY TO EXPAND. 
          UM, BUT THEN ONCE WE GO BEYOND THAT, WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LARGER SWITCHBOARD AS WELL. 
          YEP. 
          ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC? OKAY. 
          WELL THEN WE'LL GO AHEAD AND, UH, VOTE ON THE RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE THAT PRESENTATION. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          OPPOSED? THANK 
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YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THIS IS, THANK YOU. 
          I WAS GONNA A MOTION TO, UH, RECEIVE AND FILE A PRESENTATION ON THE BUFF PART. 
          BL SO MOVED. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          WE WILL BRING UP EACH MAINTENANCE SUPERINTENDENT KELLY ARMSTRONG TO PROVIDE A PRESENTATION ON THE BLUFF PARKS LANDSCAPE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. 
          UM, AN UPDATE ON THE, A PREVIOUS, UH, PRESENTATION THAT WAS DONE BACK IN, UH, MARCH. 
          UM, I'LL, I'LL PROBABLY KEEP IT FAIRLY BRIEF, BUT I'LL GO OVER A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT WE PREVIOUSLY TALKED ABOUT, UM, REGARDING SOME HISTORY OF BLUFF PARK AND THE BLUFFS. 
          UM, AND WE'LL GET INTO, UH, MORE OF AN UPDATE AS WE LOOK AT, UH, SOME ADDITIONAL PLANTING. 
          UM, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE BLUFF PARK, UH, EROSION PROJECT STARTED IN 2014. 
          UH, THE LANDSCAPE MANAGEMENT PLAN WAS PART OF THAT, UH, RESTORATION PROJECT. 
          AND WE'RE LOOKING TO UPDATE THAT MANAGEMENT PLAN. 
          UM, AND WE'RE WORKING ON THAT RIGHT NOW. 
          WE SHOULD HAVE A, POSSIBLY BY THE END OF, UH, THIS MONTH, UH, TO MOVE INTO OUR NEXT FISCAL YEAR WITH A NEW MANAGEMENT PLAN, UH, AND ADAPT THAT INTO OUR LANDSCAPE OPERATION. 
          UM, UH, THE AREA, UH, REGARDING THE BLUFFS IS, IS HIGHLIGHTED THERE. 
          UM, AND, UH, THE AREA IS MAINTAINED FROM 36TH PLACE TO 2300 EAST OCEAN BOULEVARD. 
          UM, PART OF THE WORK THAT'S INVOLVED IN SOME OF THE MAINTENANCE IS REMOVAL OF INVASIVE, UH, INVASIVE PLANTS, NON DESIRABLE PLANTS. 
          UH, LOS CERRITOS WETLANDS IS OUR CURRENT CONTRACTOR THAT MAINTAINS THE BLUFF PARKS. 
          UH, AND THIS JUST GETS INTO SOME PREVIOUS PHOTOS THAT WE LOOKED AT PRIOR WITH SOME BEFORE, DURING, AND, AND, UH, AFTER, UM, PROJECTS. 
          UH, THE NEXT PROJECT WE WERE CURRENTLY WORKING ON, UH, PREVIOUSLY IN MARCH WAS 36 PLACE, UH, LANDSCAPE ENHANCEMENTS. 
          UH, THIS WAS KIND OF HOW IT LOOKED, UM, EARLIER THIS YEAR. 
          UM, WE DID, UH, A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT ENHANCEMENT THERE TO ADD ADDITIONAL, UH, LANDSCAPING AND, AND PROMOTE NATIVE PLANTS, UH, ALONG THAT SLOPE. 
          UH, THAT WAS KIND OF THE AFTER. 
          AND, AND THIS IS KIND OF WHERE WE LEFT IT BACK IN MARCH. 
          UM, AND, UM, WE NOW HAVE, UH, SET UP, UH, A BIG DIFFERENT OF A LANDSCAPE PICTURE THERE WITH NATIVE HABITAT. 
          UM, AND THIS IS HOW IT LOOKS CURRENTLY. 
          UM, SO A LOT OF THE, THE NATIVE PLANTS THAT HAVE WERE PLANTED ARE NOW ESTABLISHED AND GROWING FOR THE PAST SIX MONTHS. 
          UH, WE WERE PRETTY HAPPY WITH THE END EFFECT OF, UH, THE, THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE PLANTS. 
          AND WE CAN KIND OF SEE SOME DIFFERENT VIEWS OF, UH, THE PAST SIX MONTHS OR SO, UM, OF THAT AREA. 
          AND HERE'S ANOTHER VIEW, UM, MORE SO IT'S JUST VISUAL REALLY. 
          UM, AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, HERE'S KIND OF AN ANOTHER EARLY DURING AND CURRENT PHOTO THERE TO KIND OF SHOW THE CHANGE. 
          AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE, UH, A LITTLE BIT MORE VISUAL, BUT I, I WELCOME ANY, UH, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, THANK YOU KELLY. 
          APPRECIATE THAT UPDATE. 
          PARDON ME. 
          AND, UM, I WAS, UH, HOPING TO HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE, THE NEW PLANTINGS WILL, UM, HOW WE WILL SUPPORT THE NEW PLANTINGS WITH RESPECT TO IRRIGATION ON THE 36TH PLACE, BLAH. 
          SURE. 
          SO, UM, ORIGINAL PLAN WAS REMOVAL OF THE IRRIGATION. 
          IT WAS NOT CONNECTED TO OUR, UH, CITY'S IRRIGATION. 
          IT WAS, FOR SOME REASON IT WAS CONNECTED TO A PRIVATE IRRIGATION SOURCE. 
          UM, WE HAVE BEEN HAND WATERING THE NATIVE PLANTS TO, TO BE ESTABLISHED AND AT, AT THIS TIME, THE NATIVE PLANTS ARE, ARE GROWING WITHOUT, UH, NEED FOR ADDITIONAL IRRIGATION OR, OR ONGOING IRRIGATION. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          RIGHT. 
          'CAUSE IT'S GONNA BE ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO TRY AND INSTALL SOME SORT OF MECHANICAL SYSTEM. 
          AND I THINK THAT BLUFF PARK MAINTENANCE PLAN DOES REALLY CALL OUT HAND WATERING AS A WAY OF, UM, 
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ENCOURAGING NEW PLANTS AND NEW GROWTH. 
          RIGHT. 
          UNTIL THEY'RE WELL ESTABLISHED ON THE BLOCK THAT YES. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S THE KIND OF THE WAY OF THE WORLD WITH NATIVES AS IT IS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          THE OTHER, UM, QUESTION I MIGHT HAVE IS, UM, THERE HAS BEEN SOME DIE BACK AND I HAVE SEEN IN THE COURSE OF THE COUPLE OF LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, NEW PLANTS BEING, UM, UH, REINTRODUCED. 
          UM, THERE JUST AN OBSERVATION IS THAT THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT AREAS OF JUST OPEN, UM, MULCHED, YOU KNOW, MATERIAL ON THE SLOPE. 
          AND THE OBJECTIVE OF TRYING TO, UH, ESTABLISH MORE PLANT COVERAGE, MORE DENSE PLANT COVERAGE ON THOSE SLOPES WILL, UM, PREVENT EROSION AS WE MOVE INTO OUR WINTER, PRESUMABLY RAINY SEASON. 
          UM, SO WITH THE DIEBACK GIVEN, AND SOME OF THOSE PHOTOS ARE PRETTY CLEAR, YOU CAN SEE WHAT, THERE ARE FAIRLY LARGE AREAS THAT DON'T HAVE ANY NEW PLANS. 
          IS THERE ANY PLAN OR OBJECTIVE TO INTRODUCE MORE NEW PLANS? UM, YES. 
          WE KEEP IN CONSTANT CONTACT WITH OUR LANDSCAPE COMPANY TO, UM, REPLACE PLANTS ON AN AS NEEDED BASIS. 
          SO IF, UH, UH, ORIGINAL PLANTS DID NOT MAKE IT IN THE ESTABLISHMENT PERIOD, THEN THOSE WOULD BE, UH, REPLACED. 
          SO IS THERE ANY PLAN TO PUT IN MORE NEW, I MEAN, SETTING ASIDE THE PLANTS THAT DIDN'T MAKE IT RIGHT AND THAT HAVE BEEN, AND I'VE CLEARLY SEEN NEW PLANTS BEING REINTRODUCED. 
          UM, IS THERE AN OBJECTIVE TO, TO COVER THE, THE MULCHED AREAS WITH MORE PLANT MATERIAL? THE OBJECTIVE IS THAT THE PLANT'S ROOTS ARE WHAT CREATES THE, UH, ANCHORING OF THE SOIL ON THE BLUFF FACE. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, YOU PUT, UM, MULCH MATERIAL DOWN AND IT CERTAINLY WILL, YOU KNOW, KEEP, UM, NEW GROWTH, UH, UH, DIGGING WEEDS AND OTHER NON, YOU KNOW, DESIRABLE PLANS FROM COMING FORWARD. 
          UM, BUT THERE, I WOULD BELIEVE THAT THERE COULD BE A, AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT NEW PLANTS, MORE NEW PLANTS THAT ARE PART OF THE PLANT PALETTE TO KEEP THOSE BLUFFS FROM ERODING. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S THE WHOLE OBJECTIVE IN THE END. 
          UM, SO IS THERE ANY OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE MORE OR, AND INTRODUCE MORE NEW PLANTS ON THAT SLOPE? YES. 
          DO YOU SEE THAT HAPPENING POTENTIALLY BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR? UH, YES, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. 
          I MEAN, THE WHOLE IDEA NOW IS OF COURSE THAT ONCE THAT SLOPE HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, UM, MULCHED, UM, IT'S RIGHT FOR NEW PLANTS TO BE INTRODUCED AND TO START ANCHORING THE SOIL TO PREVENT EROSION. 
          RIGHT. 
          AS WE MOVE FORWARD, UM, HAS THE CONTRACTOR EVER INTRODUCED HYDRO SEEDING AS A PART OF THE, THE APPROACH TO, YOU KNOW, COVERING THOSE LARGER AREAS THAT MAYBE IT MIGHT BE TOO? UM, UH, SORRY, BRAIN FOG, UM, TOO TOUGH TO NAVIGATE. 
           TOUGH TO NAVIGATE, RIGHT. 
          TOO STEEP FOR SOMEONE TO MAYBE POTENTIALLY BE ABLE TO INTRODUCE PLANTS PHYSICALLY? WE, I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE WE'VE LOOKED INTO HYDRO SEEDING FOR, UM, NATIVE PLANT ESTABLISHMENT. 
          NO. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, AND ARE THERE ANY PLANS FOR ANY OTHER SLOPES MOVING AHEAD IN THE OVERALL MAINTENANCE PLAN OF THE SLOPES, LONG GLO PARK? ARE THERE ANY, UH, UM, OTHER SECTIONS OF SLOPES BEING, UM, CONSIDERED FOR, UM, REVEGETATION? UH, NOT AT THIS CURRENT TIME, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A, UH, ANOTHER AREA PLAN FOR, UH, AN ENHANCEMENT. 
          UM, ALTHOUGH, UM, WE RECENTLY HAD A FIRE ON THE BLUFF, UH, NEAR MOO. 
          SO, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT AREA NOW TO PROBABLY ADD INTO OUR, UH, ADDITIONAL WORK IN THE FUTURE. 
          WE DON'T HAVE A SET PLAN FOR YET THOUGH. 
          OKAY. 
          DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE CAUSE OF THE FIREWOOD? I DON'T KNOW SPECIFICALLY, BUT I WAS HEARD IT WAS AN ENCAMPMENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THOSE ARE ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAD. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR QUESTIONS FROM ANY COMMISSIONER ON THOSE? AND WHAT ABOUT VANDALISM? I KNOW WE HAD HAD THE REMOTE CONTROLLED CARS GO ALONG THERE AND I KNOW I'VE SEEN SOME OUTRAGEOUS TIKTOK VIDEOS OF BIKERS ON THERE. 
          UM, YES. 
          THE, THE REMOTE CONTROL CARS, I THINK WERE MORE DOWN AT THE MUSEUM SIDE. 
          UM, AND WE HAVEN'T HAD THOSE COME BACK SINCE WE'VE, UH, COMPLETED THAT PROJECT, UH, LAST YEAR OR SO, OR A COUPLE YEARS AGO. 
          UM, AND AS FAR AS AT 36, 
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WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY ISSUES WITH VANDALISM, UH, OTHER THAN MAYBE SOME ENCAMPMENTS IN SOME OTHER AREAS. 
          UM, A A LOT OF THOSE ARE, ARE DONE WEEKLY WITH OUR ENCAMPMENT ROUTE AND, UH, DIFFERENT REMOVALS. 
          YEAH. 
          JUST A COMMENT. 
          I, I THINK IT LOOKS GREAT. 
          GOOD JOB. 
          . 
          I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE SAID THAT, I THINK, BUT IT LOOKS WONDERFUL. 
          THE NEW VEGETATION BEFORE ANDING, HOW WELL IT'S WHAT STOOD. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UM, ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC? OKAY. 
          WE HAVE NOTHING FURTHER ON THAT. 
          WE'LL GO AHEAD AND, UH, CALL FOR THE QUESTION ON, UH, THAT WE RECEIVE AND FILE, UH, THE REPORT ON THE LEFT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AYE, AYE. 
          OKAY. 
          I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, UH, RELATED TO THE, UH, FISCAL 25 SLIP FEE INCREASE. 
          SO MOVED SECOND. 
          OKAY, MR. LEHMAN, DO YOU, ALRIGHT, WE'LL BRING UP, UH, MARINE OPERATIONS SUPERINTENDENT BRIAN PLAN, LIKE, THAT'S MY JOB. 
          , UH, MARINE OPERATIONS SUPERINTENDENT BRIAN, PLAN FOR OUR PRESENTATION. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. 
          UM, SO WE ARE, UH, STICKING WITH STATUS QUO OF A PROPOSED 2% INCREASE, UM, ACROSS THE BOARD ON OUR SUB FEES. 
          UM, IT JUST GOES TOWARDS THE INCREASED SERVICE COSTS, UH, BOTH FOR LABOR AND GOODS. 
          UM, AND JUST TO MAKE SURE WE KEEP OUR DEBT SERVICE RATIO, UH, FOR OUR BOND IN CHECK, UM, THAT IT WOULD GO, IT WOULD GO INTO EFFECT ON OCTOBER 1ST. 
          ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT ONE? UM, I KNOW WE OPTED LAST YEAR TO JUST ACCEPT THE MINIMUM 2% AND WE HAD THOUGHT WE REALLY WANTED TO REVISIT THAT PRETTY SERIOUSLY SINCE COST OF LIVING HAD BEEN MORE THAN 3%. 
          AND NOW AGAIN, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S RIGHT ON, UH, 2.8 OR SOMETHING ON THE RESULTS THAT CAME OUT YESTERDAY ON COST OF LIVING. 
          SO AT 2% PER YEAR, WE'RE NOT KEEPING UP WITH COST OF LIVING AND WE'RE AT JUST ABOUT A HUNDRED PERCENT OCCUPANCY AND WE'RE A LITTLE UNDER MARKET FOR THE MARINAS AROUND US. 
          I DO, I DON'T KNOW IF MAY SPEAK TO IT NOW, I DO FOR OPERATIONS, UH, END IN MY REPORT. 
          I HAVE, UM, SOME FINDINGS ABOUT MARKET SURVEY RATES AND KIND OF WHERE WE STACK UP. 
          NO, LET'S BRING THAT FORWARD NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          LEMME JUST GRAB MY SHEET. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO, UM, I LOOKED AT, UH, ONE R RAY BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF BOAT TRANSITING BACK AND FORTH FROM THERE. 
          UM, SO IN JUST KIND OF AS A STATUS OF WHERE IT STANDS, MAY OF 24, THEY HAD AN APPROXIMATE 10% VACANCY IN R RAY, WHICH IS A BIT HIGH FOR THEM. 
          UM, IN THEIR RATES WERE CONSIDERABLY HIGHER. 
          UM, THEIR 25 TO THREE FIVE FOOT SLIPS WERE 20% HIGHER THAN OURS. 
          UH, 40 TO 40 FIVES WERE APPROXIMATELY 30% HIGHER IN THAT RANGE. 
          60 TO SEVENTIES IS WHERE IT GETS, UH, A BIT, A BIT BIGGER. 
          UH, 40% HIGHER AS FAR AS RATES. 
          UH, EIGHTIES AND NINETIES WE'RE ABOUT 25% HIGHER. 
          UM, IF WE LOOK AT REDONDO, ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, SMALL HARBOR, BUT YOU KNOW, ONE THAT PEOPLE COULD OPT OUT INTO, UM, WE'RE ABOUT 15% HIGHER ON OUR 35 FOOT SLIPS. 
          25 TO 30 FIVES, UH, 40 TO 40, 40 TO 50 FIVES OR 20%, UM, 60 20%, 80 STAY IN THAT SAME RANGE. 
          UM, THE ONLY ONES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF STAYING LIKE WITHIN OUR REALM ARE POTENTIALLY BELOW, UM, WHICH YOU MAY EXPECT WOULD BE VENTURA. 
          UM, AND THEN UP IN SANTA BARBARA, UM, IN THE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA MARKET, WE DO TEND TO BE A BIT ON THE, ON THE LOWER END OF, OF RATES. 
          AND, UM, HAVE YOU BEEN HEARING MORE AND MORE VOTERS, UM, EXPRESS INTEREST IN COMING TO MARINAS IN LONG BEACH WITH THE OLYMPICS ON THE FOREFRONT? I, I AM EXPECTING IT. 
          I HAVE NOT HEARD THAT DIRECTLY YET. 
          I'VE HEARD THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION, UH, AND NEW SYSTEMS PUT UP IN RAY DEL RAY. 
          THE RATES HAVE ALSO SKYROCKETED IN RAY DEL RAY AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF VOTERS COMING TO LONG BEACH TO GET AWAY FROM THE HIGH RATES OF THAT AREA. 
          SO I'VE HEARD MORE OF THAT, OF LA I MEAN THAT'S 'CAUSE I'VE CONNECTED TO THAT REGION AS WELL. 
          UM, BUT I'VE HEARD MORE OF THAT, BUT I SUSPECT THAT AS WE DRAW CLOSER TO THE OLYMPICS, WE'RE GONNA BE A DESTINATION FOR SURE. 
          YES, . 
          UM, SO HOW LONG OF A WAITING LIST DO YOU HAVE FOR SLIPS IN THE MARINA? IT IS GONNA VARY ON, ON SIZE. 
          UH, I, I DON'T OWN A BOAT, IT'S OUTSIDE OF MY SCOPE OF EXPERIENCE, BUT IF I CAME INTO 
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THIS, YOU KNOW, TO THE MARINE BUREAU AND SAID I HAD A 40 FOOT BOAT THAT I WANNA, THAT I NEED A SLIP FOR, HOW LONG AM I GONNA WAIT? IF YOU HAD A 40 RELATIVELY SKINNY SAILBOAT, WE COULD PUT YOU IN SHORELINE RIGHT NOW. 
          UH, IF YOU WANTED TO COME DOWN HERE TO ALAMI BAY, YOU'RE GONNA WAIT TWO YEARS. 
          ONE TO TWO YEARS. 
          WOW. 
          OH, OUR, TO, TO ELABORATE ON WHAT, UH, BRIAN'S SAYING IS OUR WAIT LIST IS, IS SUBSTANTIAL. 
          UM, IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN FOR OUR BOND. 
          IT'S INFORMATION THAT THEY WANT EVERY YEAR TO KEEP OUR, OUR HIGH, UH, RATING AND, UH, OUR, OUR WAIT LIST IS STRONG. 
          TWO THINGS THAT OUR, OUR BOND COMPANY LOOKS AT IS OUR OCCUPANCY AND OUR WAIT LIST. 
          SURE. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO BOTH ARE STRONG. 
          SO IN TERMS OF UNDERSTANDING HOW, UM, THE LA 2028 OLYMPICS ARE GOING TO BE CHANGING AND ROCKING OUR WORLD HERE DOWN IN LONG BEACH, IT SEEMS TO ME NOT BEING A BOAT OWNER, UH, AND, YOU KNOW, NOT REALLY UNDERSTANDING THE ECONOMICS OF IT, IS THAT THESE ARE GONNA BE VERY POPULAR PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO WANT TO PARK THEIR BOAT. 
          AND IF THEY'RE THINKING A COUPLE OF YEARS OUT, YOU KNOW, AND KNOWING THE WAIT LIST SITUATION DOESN'T, DOES IT STAND A REASON THAT, UM, OUR ABILITY TO CAPITALIZE ON THAT SORT OF, UM, INTEREST ON THE PART OF THE VOTING COMMUNITY BY, UM, INCREASING OUR SLIP FEES AND KNOWING THAT THERE IS SUCH A DEMAND IS, YOU KNOW, DOES THAT NOT, UM, FACTOR INTO OUR ABILITY TO START LOOKING AT HOW, HOW, HOW MUCH OF AN INCREASE OUR SLIP FEES GO UP EVERY YEAR? I MEAN, IT'S AN INTANGIBLE, BUT THE NOTION THAT IT'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, THE CENTER OF THE WORLD  WHEN IT COMES TO THE 2028 OLYMPICS. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          UM, WE WANT TO, TO CAPITALIZE ON EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO, TO CREATE ADDITIONAL REVENUE. 
          BUT ALSO WHAT WE HAVE TO IS THINK ABOUT OUR CURRENT PERMITS. 
          OUR, WE HAVE PERMITS THAT HAVE BEEN WITH US FOR OVER 30, 40 YEARS. 
          AND SO WE, WE HAVE LONG TERM COMMITTEES, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TRANSIENT STAYING GUESTS STAY, GUEST STAY. 
          SO WHEN WE GET CLOSER TO THE OLYMPIC GAMES, THAT'S GONNA BE A VERY LARGE OPPORTUNITY FOR US, IS OUR GUEST, UH, STAY, UH, WE ALREADY DO THAT. 
          NOW, UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT GRAND PRIX WEEKEND, WHEN YOU LOOK AT, UH, UH, JAZZ FEST, WE'RE, WE'RE STARTING TO DO THE SAME WITH COASTAL COUNTRY JAM. 
          UH, WE, WE ELEVATE OUR GUEST STAY FEE FOR INCOMING TRANSIENT VESSELS FOR THAT TIMEFRAME. 
          BUT WE HAVE TO BE MINDFUL WHEN IT COMES TO OUR PERMIT SLIP FEES TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT WE'RE TAKING CARE OF OUR CURRENT CUSTOMERS AS WELL AS POTENTIAL FUTURE CUSTOMERS BECAUSE WE CAN'T RAISE FOR A CERTAIN GROUP AND NOT FOR EVERYONE. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          SO, UM, I DID SOME MATH USING THIS, UM, PUBLISHED, UM, LIST AND FOR SOMEONE WHO, UH, IS, UM, LEASED OR IT'S A MONTHLY FEE, RIGHT? SO IT'S A MONTHLY RATE OF, FOR 120 FOOT VOTE, THEIR RATE IS GOING TO GO UP $78 AND 18 CENTS 2%. 
          THE, A LOT OF THOSE BIG ONES ARE, LOT OF THEM DO HAVE SOME IN OBVIOUS BAY THAT ARE LIKE TRUE SLIPS IN THAT SIZE. 
          OKAY. 
          A LOT OF THESE ARE ANTIS AND I, I DID NOT INCLUDE THE ANTI RATES INTO THIS SPECIFIC COMPARISON BECAUSE THEY, THEY DO FLUCTUATE SO MUCH. 
          SO, UM, JUST TO DISC, BUT THE SIMPLE MATH, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE PUBLISHED RATES, UM, SO THEIR RATE WILL GO UP $78, OH $78 A MONTH ADDING A COST OF LIVING, WHICH COULD BE ROUGHLY LET'S FOR EASY MATH 2%, UM, IT WOULD GO FROM A 78, UH, $78 FOR THE 2% NEEDED FOR THE BOND SERVICING TO $156. 
          IF YOU WERE TO SAY ADD, UM, A FRACTION OF THE COST OF LIVING AT 2%. 
          SO $78 TWICE IS $156 FOR SOMEONE WHO IS ALREADY PAYING $3,909. 
          ON THE OTHER END OF THE SCALE, FOR PURPOSES OF COMPARISON, FOR SOMEONE WHO IS PAYING FOR A 15 FOOT LONG BOAT, THEIR RATE WILL GO UP $3 AND 40 CENTS AT THE REQUIRED 2% BOND SERVICING FEE WITH ANOTHER 2% TO COVER COST OF LIVING. 
          THAT WOULD BE $6 AND 80 CENTS ON A MONTHLY BASIS. 
          I I 
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CAN UNDERSTAND OUR NEED TO BE COMPETITIVE IN THE WORLD OF MARINAS IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. 
          IT SOUNDS LIKE WE ARE ALREADY THERE WHEN IT COMES TO THE DESIRABILITY AND THE FINANCIAL INCENTIVE OF GETTING YOUR BOAT ON A LIST TO GET IT PARKED IN LONG BEACH. 
          UM, I DON'T MEAN TO SOUND FACETIOUS, BUT THAT'S WHAT IT IS, RIGHT? YOU WANNA BE ABLE TO EXPERIENCE LONG BEACH PARK YOUR BOAT DOWN THERE AND BE ABLE TO ENJOY LONG BEACH AS OPPOSED TO MARINA DELRAY. 
          UM, WHY CAN'T OUR COSTS FOR SLIP FEES REFLECT A BASIC COST OF LIVING INCREASE KNOWING THAT WE HAVE THESE FACTORS THAT ARE ALREADY CONTRIBUTING TO OUR COMPETITIVENESS, UM, AND THE INTANGIBLE OF IN LESS, IN THREE YEARS, THREE AND A HALF YEARS, OUR WORLD'S GONNA ROCK AND THE FRONT ROW SEATS TO ALL OF THE AQUATIC VENUE, UH, IN LONG BEACH FOR ALL OF THESE WONDERFUL EVENTS ARE GONNA BE OUR MARINAS. 
          UM, AND THE NOTION OF STARTING TO GENTLY BUT GRADUALLY REFLECT OUR COST OF LIVING AND OTHER INCREASED COSTS, COSTS BESIDES THE MANDATORY, AGAIN, MANDATORY 2% FOR THE BOND FEES SEEMS TO ME TO BE A, A FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE WAY TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          ANY THOUGHTS? I MEAN, I, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO BRING IT UP. 
          I THINK IT'S GOTTA BE DONE IN A, YOU KNOW, A SMART, UH, EQUITABLE WAY TO, TO OUR CURRENT PERMIT HOLDERS AND SURE. 
          POSSIBLY AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION AS IT STANDS TO SAY THE 2% FOR THE BOND SERVICE AND ANOTHER 2% FOR COST OF LIVING. 
          OKAY. 
          CAN, JUST TO CLARIFY WITH EVERYBODY, THIS REQUIREMENT IS EVERY YEAR? YES. 
          EVERY YEAR. 
          SO EVERY YEAR COST OF LIVING GOES UP AND EXPENSES GO UP 20, 20 15 TO 2045. 
          YOU LOOK AT OTHER MARINAS, THEY DON'T RAISE THEIR FEES EVERY YEAR. 
          THEY, THEY'LL, THEY'LL GO SEVERAL YEARS. 
          SO THEY'LL HAVE A BIG WELL, AND WE'VE ONLY DONE THAT SMALL AMOUNT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO MAYBE THIS IS THE TIME SINCE WE DIDN'T ADDRESS COST OF LIVING THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. 
          AND WHAT WE DO IS WE LOOK AT OUR EXPENDITURES AND THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS FOR US, AND THE WAY WE'VE, WE'VE COMMITTED TO OUR BOAT OWNERS, OUR SLIP HOLDERS, IS WE'RE GOING, WE HAVE TO DO 2% REQUIRED. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , WE'RE GONNA DO OUR BEST TO KEEP IT AT 2% EVERY YEAR UNLESS WE ARE REQUIRED TO ELEVATE THAT BASED ON OUR, OUR EXPENDITURES AND OUR DEBT SERVICE RATIO, THAT'S HOW WE, WE FOCUS OUR 2% OR INCREASE ON, WE DON'T WANT TO INCREASE MORE THAN 2% BECAUSE WE ARE MAJORLY COMPETITIVE. 
          WE DO HAVE A 94% OCCUPANCY RATE. 
          UH, WE DO WORK VERY, VERY HARD TO KEEP IT AT 2%. 
          IF WE GO TO 3% A YEAR, 4%, 5% A YEAR, THAT'S WHEN WE'RE GONNA START SEEING THAT REDUCTION IN OUR OCCUPANCY AND WE'RE GONNA START SEEING THE, UH, REDUCTION IN OUR WAIT LIST. 
          SO I, I RECOMMEND THAT, THAT TO MAKE A, AN ADJUSTMENT OR TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR A INCREASE OR A DOUBLING OF A INCREASE THAT'S ALREADY REQUIRED AT 2% MAY BACK, MAY BACK. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, YEAH. 
          UM, DID WE NOT, MAYBE I DON'T, I THINK IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THREE YEARS AGO, TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO, THE CITY OVERALL FOR THE BUDGET, THEY REQUIRED 5% INCREASE AND WE DID A 3%. 
          CORRECT? YEAH. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO WE ALSO LOOK AT, AT THE CITYWIDE CPI OR UH, CCI CITY COST INDEX. 
          UH, THIS YEAR WE LOOKED AT IT, WE'VE, WE'RE, WE'RE DOING WELL, WE'RE DOING OKAY. 
          WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA COME, COME INTO OUR, COME OUT OF THIS FISCAL YEAR LOOKING GOOD ACROSS OUR DEBT SERVICE RATIO AND OUR, OUR REVENUE GOING INTO NEXT YEAR, FY 26, DUE TO COST INCURRED IN THE YEAR AHEAD. 
          MORE THAN LIKELY WE MAY GO TO 3%, BUT AGAIN, OUR PROMISE AS JUDICIOUS MANAGER MANAGERS OF THE MARINAS IS TO TRY TO KEEP IT AT 2%. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO, UH, THIS IS GOING TO GO INTO EFFECT ON OCTOBER 1ST, RIGHT? AS PUBLISHED HERE. 
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NOW IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT, UM, CITY COUNCIL VOTED ON THE 24 25 FISCAL YEAR BUDGET TUESDAY NIGHT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , ARE THESE NUMBERS WRAPPED UP IN THAT BUDGET AS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL? CORRECT. 
          THEN I, CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHY THIS PARTICULAR AGENDA ITEM IS BROUGHT FORWARD TO US TWO DAYS AFTER IT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL? WHY DOES THE MARINE ADVISORY COMMISSION NEED TO BE INVOLVED IN A DECISION THAT'S ALREADY BEEN MADE? IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING WE WANTED TO BRING TO YOU. 
          UNFORTUNATELY, THE BUDGET, UH, BUDGET APPROVAL WAS BEFORE THIS MEETING. 
          WE APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. 
          UH, IN THE FUTURE, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THIS TO YOU BEFORE THEN. 
          UH, BUT AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S THE INFORMATION WE'RE GETTING FROM YOU NOW IS THINGS WE CAN LOOK AT. 
          AND AGAIN, THIS IS THE SECOND TIME THAT THAT'S HAPPENED AND WE SAID WE'LL DO BETTER LAST TIME. 
          SO I, JUST TO MAKE SURE I FULLY UNDERSTAND THIS, WE DON'T NEED TO NECESSARILY SUPPORT ANYTHING TODAY BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED AND IT IS PART OF THE CITY'S BUDGET ALREADY. 
          THAT CORRECT. 
          DO I, AS I UNDERSTAND, WE CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL FOR AN AMOUNT THAT'S DIFFERENT AND THE BUDGET CAN BE MODIFIED. 
          THAT HELPS ME BETTER UNDERSTAND. 
          UM, AND THEN, UH, FROM A, FROM A FINANCIAL AND SORT OF JUDICIOUS MANAGEMENT PERSPECTIVE, UM, WHEN YOU ARE, UH, WHEN, FOR THIS CALENDAR, I'M SORRY, FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR BUDGET, DID YOU BUILD IN YOUR, IN THE COURSE OF YOUR BUDGET CREATION AND PREPARATION IN OTHER ASPECTS OF THE MARINE BUREAU, DID YOU BRING IN OTHER, UM, COST OF LIVING OR, UH, INFLATION RATES INTO YOUR OWN, LET'S SAY, YOU KNOW, PAYROLL AND, YOU KNOW, CAPITAL EXPENSES? AND SO WHAT WAS THAT PERCENTAGE? SO, WELL, WE DON'T LOOK AT THE PERCENTAGE. 
          WE LOOK AT AT THE PREVAILING, UH, RATES OF STAFF COSTS, MATERIAL COSTS, THOSE SORT OF THINGS. 
          OKAY. 
          WHERE THEY'RE AT NOW AND WHERE THEY'RE EXPECTED TO BE THROUGHOUT THE, THE FISCAL YEAR AHEAD. 
          AND BASED ON THAT, AND WE LOOK AT THE OVERALL PROJECTIONS WHERE WE WOULD BE IN OUR, OUR FIXED BUDGET FOR FY 25 MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND THEN WE TAKE THOSE NUMBERS AND WE GO, OKAY, IF WE DO A 2%, ARE WE STILL MAINTAINING OUR DEBT SERVICE RATIO? ARE WE STILL, ARE WE ABLE TO MEET ALL OF OUR EXPENSE EXPENDITURES WHILE KEEPING THE INCREASE, THE REQUIRED INCREASE AT THE MINIMUM OF 2%? AND WE WILL DO THAT. 
          WELL, AND, AND, AND I THINK YOU BRING THE CONVERSATION, UM, PARDON ME. 
          BUT IF YOU'RE BRINGING THE CONVERSATION BACK TO THE SLIP FEES AND THE POTENTIAL INCREASE FOR BOAT, UM, YOU KNOW, BOAT OWNERS IN LONG BEACH, BUT I'M SPEAKING TO THE GREATER BUDGET OF PARK REC AND MARINE AND THE MARINE BUREAU, UM, HAVING SOME EXPERIENCE IN MY PERSONAL, IN I SHOULD SAY, PROFESSIONAL LIFE, YOU KNOW, WHEN I PREPARED A BUDGET, I'D SAY, WELL, WHAT IS THE INFLATION? WHAT IS COST OF LIVING GONNA BE, I SHOULD ADD, YOU KNOW, I SHOULD HAVE A, YOU KNOW, A A A BUFFER IN THERE IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT MY EXPENSES ARE COVERED AND THAT MY BUDGET IS ACCURATE WHEN IT COMES TO THE NEXT YEAR'S PROJECTED EXPENSES AND REVENUE. 
          UM, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE MARINA SLIP FEES, UM, WE HAVE AN O OBLIGATORY 2% FLOOR FOR THE BOND FEE. 
          AND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TO THE WORLD WHEN THIS NUM THESE NUMBERS ARE, AT LEAST TO ME, AN INDIVIDUAL LOOKING AT THIS, THAT THERE ARE NO OTHER EXPENSES THAT YOU NEED TO BE WORRIED ABOUT WITH RESPECT TO THE MANAGEMENT OF THE MARINAS. 
          THERE ARE NO OTHER COSTS THAT YOU NEED TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT ARE RISING AT THE COST OF INFLATION BOND FEE SERVICE ASIDE. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT IS A FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE WAY OF LOOKING AT THE WORLD. 
          YOU'RE, YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY, UM, UM, SUBSIDIZING THE COSTS OF MANAGING THE MARINAS WITHOUT ANY OTHER WAY OF BUILDING IN YOUR PROJECTED COSTS. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT THAT'S A, A REALLY WISE WAY TO, TO REFLECT OUR COMPETITIVENESS IN THE WORLD OF MARINAS IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, OR UNDERSTAND WHERE OUR WAIT LIST IS WITH RESPECT TO THE, THE WANTS AND NEEDS OF THE BOATING COMMUNITY WHO WANT TO PARK THEIR BOAT IN LONG BEACH. 
          I THINK THAT'S AN ART. 
          YOU'VE, YOU'VE CREATED AN ARTIFICIAL FINANCIAL, UM, SITUATION FOR BOAT OWNERS. 
          AND UNFORTUNATELY THAT MAY CHANGE AT ANY MOMENT IN THE FUTURE. 
          YOU MAY LOOK AT OTHER COSTS NEXT YEAR, THAT MAY NOT BE AN ADDITIONAL 2%, IT MIGHT BE AN ADDITIONAL FOUR OR 5%. 
          WHO'S TO SAY WHAT THE WORLD IS GONNA BE LIKE IN THE NEXT YEAR? I THINK THAT DOES A DISSERVICE TO THE BOAT OWNERS BECAUSE THEY 
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WOULD HAVE TO THEN LOOK AT THOSE KINDS OF FEE INCREASES AND IN ONE FELL SWOOP AS OPPOSED TO KEEPING UP WITH THE TRACK OF INFLATION AND OTHER COSTS THAT GOES, THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE CITY'S MANAGEMENT OF OUR MARINAS. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN DO IT ALL AT ONCE OR YOU DO IT GRADUALLY, OR IT MAY NOT NEED TO BE DONE ALL AT ONCE. 
          BUT TO REFLECT THE TRUE COSTS OF MANAGING THESE MARINAS, IT GOES BEYOND THE 2% OF THE, THE, UH, BOND SERVICE. 
          WHO WAS THE ORIGINAL MAKER OF THE MOTION THAT  MADAM SECRETARY, UH, LET'S SEE. 
          COMMISSIONER MORENO WAS FIRST AND, UH, COMMISSIONER CARLIN WAS SECOND. 
          COULD YOU AGREE TO AN AMENDMENT TO, TO ADD SOMETHING THAT IS A WELL, AN ADDITION OF A COST OF LIVING? I, I HAVE A COMMENT BEFORE WE, BEFORE THAT, DO AN AMENDMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          I WORKED FOR THE CITY FOR OVER 20 SOMETHING YEARS. 
          I WAS IN MANAGEMENT. 
          WE PREPARE THE BUDGETS. 
          THERE'S A WHOLE BUDGET SEASON PREPARATION THAT STARTS, IT STARTS LIKE JANUARY 1ST, EVEN THOUGH OUR FISCAL YEAR IS OCTOBER TO THE END OF SEPTEMBER. 
          AND THOSE BUDGETARY PROJECTIONS TAKE INTO ACCOUNT EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING IS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT. 
          AND WE LOOK AT PERSONNEL, WE LOOK AT COST OF MATERIALS, WE LOOK AT RENTS AND, UH, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. 
          WE LOOK AT DEBT SERVICE. 
          I MEAN, EVERYTHING IS BROUGHT INTO IT. 
          I DON'T THINK WE, WE DO THE MARINA OVER HERE SEPARATE BY ITSELF AS WE FIGURE THE REST OF THE, THE BUDGETARY, UM, COSTS AND EXPENSES AND, AND PROJECTIONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. 
          SO I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE NOT AT, WE ARE LOOKING AT COST OF LIVING AND WE ARE LOOKING AT OTHER THINGS, BUT IT COMES OUT OVER HERE SO THAT WE CAN MAINTAIN OUR, OUR, UM, FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY TO DEATH SERVICE AND THE MARINAS. 
          BUT IT'S NOT DONE IN THE VACUUM OVER HERE. 
          NOT IS, IS THAT CORRECT? OR THAT IS CORRECT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SO I TAKE THAT AS A NO, AS TO PUTTING AMENDMENT ON YOUR MOTION. 
          WELL, I THINK THAT OUR, OUR, OUR MOTION NOW IS, IS WHAT IS TO THE MOTION THAT WAS ON IS, WELL, NO, WE, WE DID THAT LAST COUPLE YEARS AND WE'LL REMIND STAFF AGAIN IN THE COMING YEAR. 
          UM, BUT THAT'S WATER UNDER THE BRIDGE. 
          SO RIGHT NOW WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THE MOTION ON THE TABLE IS TO SUPPORT THE 2% INCREASE THAT'S IN, UH, THAT GOES AHEAD AND TAKES CARE OF THE BOND SERVICE. 
          SO, AND THEN THERE WAS A POTENTIAL AMENDMENT ON THE TABLE TO SAY, IN ADDITION TO THAT 2%, A COST OF LIVING PERCENTAGE OF TWO OR 3% AS A RECOMMENDATION TO SAY, COUNCIL, NOT A DONE DEAL, JUST A RECOMMENDATION. 
          NOT YET. 
          , THE PERSON WHO CAN MAKE THAT AMENDMENT IS THE PERSON WHO MADE THE MOTION IN FIRST. 
          WELL, THEY WOULD HAVE TO AGREE TO IT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THE, AND, UM, COMMISSIONER MORENO WAS THE PERSON THAT MADE THE MOTION. 
          YEAH. 
          SO JUST, JUST FOR THE COMMISSIONER'S UNDERSTANDING IS OUR DEBT SERVICE RATIO IS, IT NEEDS TO BE 1.25. 
          WE USUALLY SIT AROUND 1.5. 
          THAT IS AN OVERALL INDICATOR OF THE HEALTH OF OUR, OUR MARINA FUND. 
          UM, SO WHEN YOU'RE SAYING THE 2% TAKES CARE OF THE, THE DEBT SERVICE, WHAT THAT 2% INCREASE IS MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE STAYING AT OR ABOVE THAT 1.25%, WHICH MEANS OUR OVERALL HEALTH AS A MARINE OF FUND IS GOOD. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS? NO, WE CAN TURN IT TO THE GENERAL TOTALLY. 
          MR. BRUNER. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE OUR PRESIDENT OF EOA, TOM BRUNER. 
          SCOTT. 
          SCOTT. 
          UM, THERE ARE SOME PRIVATE SLIPS ALONG BAY SHORE AND, UH, THOSE ARE RENTED BY THE HOMEOWNERS ACROSS THE, ACROSS BAYSHORE. 
          AND I RENT ONE OF THOSE SLIPS FOR $20 A FOOT, AND I HAVE A 20 FOOT BOAT. 
          IT'S $400 FOR A 20 FOOT, UH, SLIP. 
          AND THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT WOULD KILL TO PAY TO PAY THAT. 
          LONG BEACH HAS A A, A PRIMO, UH, UH, LOCATION. 
          AND THIS IS JUST AN INCREDIBLE ASSET THAT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S BEING SOLD FOR 
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A LOT LESS THAN IT COULD BE. 
          LONG BEACH IS BASICALLY A LANDLORD AND, UH, THE, THE MARK WITH TWO YEAR WAIT, I HAD TO GO TO BAYSHORE BECAUSE I COULDN'T, I COULDN'T, I DIDN'T HAVE A PLACE TO KEEP MY BOOK. 
          SO IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LINE OUT THE DOOR FOR SLIPS. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU WOULDN'T RAISE THE RATES AND EVEN MAKE THIS A PROFIT CENTER FOR THE CITY. 
          IT, IT, IT IS IN DEMAND AND IT IS NICE AND IT SHOULDN'T BE DEVALUED. 
          DR. MAYS. 
          YEAH, TOM MAYS, PRESIDENT OF THE BOAT OWNERS ASSOCIATION. 
          THE BOAT OWNERS WOULD, UH, STRONGLY OBJECT TO LOOKING AT THE MARINAS THAT WE PAY FOR. 
          WE PAY FOR IT, AND THEY WANT, AND WE'RE SUGGESTING THAT THE CITY TURN IT INTO A PROFIT CENTER AND MAKE MONEY FOR THE CITY. 
          THE BOAT OWNERS WOULD INSIST THAT WHATEVER PROFIT YOU MAKE GOES BACK TO US WHO PAID FOR IT. 
          AND THAT'S THE ONLY USE FOR IT. 
          AND THAT'S THE BOAT OWNER'S POSITION WE'VE GOT. 
          MR. BLAIR, FIRST I HAVE BOB BLAIR, UM, SLIP RENTER, LONG TIME. 
          WELL BORN AND RAISED IN THE CITY OF LONG BEACH. 
          I JUST WANT TO INFORM THE MARINE ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEMBERS THAT NOT ONLY ARE SLIP RENTERS PAYING THEIR MONTHLY SLIP FEE, THEY'RE PAYING AN ANNUAL, UH, COUNTY TAX BILL, UNSECURED TAX BILL. 
          YES, YES, YES. 
          SO, UM, KEEP THAT IN MIND. 
          AND AS, AS I THINK YOU PROBABLY ARE, THOSE ARE FLOWED DOWN TO THOSE LIPPO AND THE, UH, SO SEA WALL FEE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , THESE FEES WOULD NOT BE LIVERBOARD FEES. 
          THOSE, A LI BOARD PAYS A PREMIUM FEE FOR A LIVERBOARD PRIVILEGE. 
          SO THEIR FEE WOULD GO UP AND THEN A GUEST FEE WOULD GO UP ACCORDINGLY TO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GONNA RAISE IT TO WHATEVER YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT DOING, WHICH I THINK IS RIDICULOUS, OTHER THAN THE 2%. 
          UM, SO IT, IT MAGNIFIES AND, AND GROWS IN OTHER CATEGORIES. 
          YOUR GUEST FEES OR SLIP FEES ARE GONNA GROW. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE'RE A DESTINATION FOR GUEST, BUT MAYBE WE PRICE OURSELVES OUT OF THE GUEST MARKET. 
          WHO KNOWS? I'M JUST SAYING STICK TO THE 2% AND MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM, IS MY OPINION. 
          OKAY. 
          TWO MORE COMMENTS. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, YEAH, TIM, TIM MELICH. 
          I'VE HAD BOATS IN THE MARINAS FOR 20 YEARS. 
          UM, AND, AND, AND I THINK MY FIRST BOAT SLIP FEE WAS $250 . 
          IT IS, IT IS MUCH, MUCH MORE TODAY. 
          UM, HOWEVER, UH, I WILL SAY LONG BEACH IN ONE WAY, INITIALLY PRESENTS FROM THE PRICING AS A VALUE. 
          AS STEVE SAID, BOB, SORRY, BOB SAID, UH, WE DO PAY ADDITIONAL TAXES. 
          WE WOULD NOT PAY IN PRIVATE MARINAS. 
          WE ALSO DO NOT RECEIVE THE SERVICE THAT PRIVATE MARINAS WOULD RECEIVE. 
          UH, I WAS FORCED TO WAIT TO BRING IN ANOTHER BOAT AT ANOTHER MARINA, RECENTLY PAID EXACTLY THE SAME AMOUNT I PAY HERE THAT WOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY TAXES. 
          AND I SAW THE SECURITY GUARD MORE THAN I SAW ANOTHER BOAT OWNER. 
          AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT. 
          UM, INCREASES BEYOND, UH, REASON I, I THINK WOULD CAUSE PEOPLE TO SEEK LOCAL OTHER ALTERNATIVES. 
          AND THERE ARE PLENTY LOCAL OTHER ALTERNATIVES THAT ARE THE SAME OR LESS EXPENSIVE THAN WE ARE IN THIS GENERAL BAY. 
          THE ALAMEDO BAY OR THE UH, UH, MARINA CITY MARINA CHARGES ARE PRETTY MUCH THE PREMIUM IN THIS BAY. 
          UM, THEY'RE NOT AS EARLIER MENTIONED, LESS EXPENSIVE. 
          YES, YOU PAY MORE IN NEWPORT, YOU PAY MORE IN MARINA DEL REY, BUT THOSE COMMUNITIES SERVE DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES ALSO. 
          THEY SERVE A HIGHER INCOME COMMUNITY WITH BIGGER BOATS, NEWER BOATS THAT ARE WILLING TO PAY THAT FEE. 
          SO IT'S SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND FROM A BOAT OWNER PERSPECTIVE, THAT BEING IN OTHER MARINES, THOSE SERVICES ARE GREATER, EVEN LOCALLY FOR THE SAME AMOUNT. 
          ONE MORE. 
          KEVIN REED, UH, LIVED IN LONG BEACH SINCE 1976, UH, IN SAILING LONG BEFORE THEN. 
          UH, ALRIGHT. 
          FOR, RIGHT. 
          FIRST OF ALL, WE ARE NOT A CASH COW . 
          WE PAID FOR THE MARINA. 
          WE PAID FOR THE PARKING LOT. 
          THIS IS FROM OUR MONEY. 
          AND YOU KNOW THAT BOND YOU'RE PAYING OFF, WE'RE PAYING 
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OFF. 
          IT'S, UH, THE CITY OF LONG BEACH WOULD NOT HAVE A MARINA TO HOST THE OLYMPICS IF IT WASN'T FOR US. 
          AND THE MONEY WE WERE PUTTING IN, IT'S HERE BECAUSE OF US. 
          THIS IS A NICE PLACE BECAUSE OF US AT MARINA DEL REY. 
          IT LOOKS PRETTY, BUT ACTUALLY THE CRIME RATE THERE IS PRETTY HIGH. 
          MOST OF THE PEOPLE AREN'T ON THEIR BOATS TO MOFFIT ON ICE. 
          GANGWAY NUMBER 13, IT'S BUSY. 
          PEOPLE ARE ON THEIR BOATS DURING THE WEEK. 
          THEY'RE ON THEIR BOATS ON THE WEEKENDS. 
          THERE'S NO SNEAKER BOARDS BECAUSE WE'RE THERE AND WE'D KNOW, AND WE'RE GOING TO GET RID OF 'EM. 
          UH, WE ARE TAKING CARE OF THE PLACE. 
          THIS IS SPECIAL TO US. 
          UH, I KNOW THE OLYMPICS ARE COMING. 
          IT'LL BE A REALLY NICE, UH, I WAS IN THE 1984 OLYMPICS. 
          I WAS A SINGER IN THE OPENING CEREMONIES. 
          IT WAS A FABULOUS, FABULOUS EXPERIENCE. 
          BUT I'D BE REALLY UNHAPPY IF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA JACKED UP. 
          MY PROPERTY COSTS A COUPLE OF PERCENT BECAUSE THE OLYMPICS ARE COMING FOR TWO WEEKS. 
          UH, IT'S NOT REASONABLE. 
          UH, I DID TALK TO MY WIFE, YOU KNOW, HEY, WE COULD MOVE OUT FOR A FEW WEEKS AND, UH, MAKE THIS A YOU BED AND BREAKFAST, YOU KNOW, RENT OUT OUR HOUSE FOR A LOT OF MONEY. 
          AND SHE JUST LOOKED AT ME LIKE I WAS FROM MARS. 
          WHY WOULD WE GO ANYWHERE ELSE? THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER MARINA. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, I, I HAD A, A KIND OF FINAL COMMENT. 
          AS THE FINANCE CHAIR FOR A FEW YEARS WITH TOM MA OVER THERE, OUR, OUR REPORT THAT WE WOULD GIVE EVERY MONTH, EVERY QUARTER WAS THE AMOUNT THAT CAME INTO THE MARINAS, THE AMOUNT OF EXPENSES, OTHER COSTS THAT WERE GOING ON. 
          BUT WE ALWAYS HIGHLIGHTED THE PRUDENCE OF THIS ORGANIZATION TO MANAGE MONEY AND MANAGE THE MONEY OF THE, THE MARINAS. 
          AND THAT AT THE END OF THE YEAR, AFTER WE DID OUR 2%, AND AFTER WE MANAGED THE MONEY THAT WERE, AND THE COST, THERE WAS USUALLY A SURPLUS IN THE PAST FEW YEARS OF ANYWHERE FROM TWO TO THREE OR $4 MILLION, THERE WOULD BE A SURPLUS. 
          AND THAT MONEY WAS PLOWED RIGHT BACK INTO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE BOAT OWNERS FOR THE MARINAS THROUGH RESTROOMS, SHOWERS, AND OTHER IMPROVEMENTS. 
          THAT MONEY WAS BELONGED AND WAS RAISED THROUGH THE BOAT OWNERS. 
          AND IT WAS PRUDENTLY HANDLED BY THE MARINE BUREAU AND IT WAS PLOWED BACK IN. 
          SO THERE IS, THERE IS A, A SURPLUS, THERE IS A MARGIN OF INCOME, EXTRA INCOME THAT COMES IN, BUT IT'S MANAGED VERY PRUDENTLY BY THE, THE MARINE BUREAU. 
          I WANTED TO SAY, UM, THANK YOU FOR GIVING YOUR PERSPECTIVE AND YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE TOPIC WE'RE DISCUSSING. 
          BECAUSE I'M NOT A BOAT BOAT OWNER. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF THEM ARE BOAT OWNERS. 
          SO I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU GUYS GIVING YOUR COMMENTS TODAY. 
          I THINK IT, IT BROUGHT A GOOD PERSPECTIVE TO OUR CONVERSATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO ARE WE ALL COMFORTABLE WITH THE MAIN MOTION OR DO WE WANT TO, UM, ENTERTAIN A SECOND ONE OUT THERE? THINK IF WE WOULD LIKE TO, I HAVE ONE OTHER COMMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          MADAM CHAIR. 
          UM, WHICH IS, UM, IF, IF, IF THE MARINE ADVISORY COMMISSION PLAYS A ROLE IN THIS PROCESS, I THINK IT'S CLEAR THAT THIS YEAR, SORRY FOR THE PUN, BUT WE MISSED THE BOAT. 
          AND WHEN WE'RE INVITED TO SUPPORT A DECISION OF MARINE BUREAU MANAGEMENT WITH RESPECT TO THE MANAGEMENT OF THE MARINAS, I THINK WE RECOGNIZE THAT, UM, ALL OF THIS CONVERSATION REALLY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE REALITY. 
          THIS IS A DECISION THAT HAS BEEN MADE AND MARINE BUREAU IS MOVING FORWARD. 
          SO I BELIEVE, AND I TOTALLY 
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UNDERSTAND AND HEAR THE CONCERNS OF THE BOAT OWNERS HERE, I'M REFLECTING A, UH, POINT OF VIEW OF, UH, SOMEONE WHO'S BEING INVITED TO PARTICIPATE IN A DECISION THAT'S ALREADY BEEN MADE. 
          NO, NO MOTION. 
          FURTHER COMMENTS. 
          LET'S GO AHEAD WITH THE, UH, ORIGINAL MOTION AS STATED THAT WE'LL, UM, SUPPORT THE, UH, FISCAL YEAR 25 SLIP FEE INCREASE IN ACCORDANCE TO THE CITY COUNCIL ACTION FROM MAY 5TH, 2015 RELATED TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE MARINE REVENUE BONDS. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ARE THERE ANY OPPOSED AND ALL ABSTAIN? I'M ABSTAINING TOO. 
          TWO ABSTENTIONS. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          MOVING ON TO THE, UH, RECOMMENDATION TO DISCUSS, UH, THE MUNICIPAL CODE AS IT'S RELATED TO MARINE STADIUM WEST. 
          UH, BRIAN, IS IT ALSO YOUR, UH, IT IS. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO WE'RE JUST GONNA GIVE, UH, AN OVERVIEW TODAY. 
          WE'RE GOING, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THANK YOU, SIR. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO GENERAL INFORMATION. 
          SO WE HAVE A, A MANMADE ARENA, UH, ORIGINALLY CONSTRUCTED FOR THE OLYMPICS, UH, 32 4 ROWING SINCE, UH, YOU KNOW, IN, YOU KNOW, CHANGED OVER TO INCLUDE TOW SPORTS. 
          UH, WITHIN LIKE THIS, THIS MARINA, IT'S 510 FEET WIDE BY APPROXIMATELY 3000 FEET IN LENGTH. 
          UM, MUNICIPAL CODE. 
          SO NOT SURE HOW MANY OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR. 
          I'M SURE THERE'S SOME THAT, THAT ARE. 
          UM, BUT WE ALLOWED BOATS UP TO 23 FEET IN LENGTH, UM, TO LIKE, BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 8:00 AM AND SUNSET TO ACTUALLY PARTICIPATE IN TOW SPORTS WITHIN THE ARENA. 
          OBVIOUSLY THAT CHANGES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. 
          UM, THE SUNSET. 
          UM, SOME GENERAL, GENERAL RULES, UH, NO PERSONAL WATERCRAFT, UM, CAN'T OPERATE BOATS IN EXCESS OF 23 FEET. 
          UH, WE ALL THE, IF THERE'S SOMETHING YOU WANTED LIKE TO TALK ABOUT, LET'S, YOU KNOW, LIKE FLAG ME ON IT. 
          BUT I JUST WANT YOU GUYS TO SEE WHAT THE, THE CURRENT MUNICIPAL CODE IS. 
          AND, AND YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT A LITTLE HISTORY THAT THOSE WERE MODIFIED LAST IN 2010, UH, 2010. 
          YES. 
          SORRY. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. 
          WELL, I THINK MAYBE ONE THAT, 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE WAKE SURFING THING, RIGHT? I THINK MAYBE ONE, NUMBER EIGHT, LIKE I'VE NEVER OBSERVED WAKE SURFING, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR AWAY THEY ARE FROM THEIR BOATS, BUT THAT, THAT MIGHT BE ONE THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR THAT. 
          AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW IS THIS ENFORCED AND IS IT ENFORCED? UM, SO ALL THESE, THIS MUNICIPAL CODE IS ENFORCED THROUGH, UM, MARINE SAFETY. 
          SO OUR LIFEGUARDS LIKE OUT ON THE WATER, OKAY? A HUNDRED FEET. 
          I HAS 200 FEET. 
          SO I'M, I'M, UH, ON, I'M ON THE BEACH AND I OBSERVE, UM, SOMEBODY DOING THIS IN A WAY THAT I FEEL IS CAUSING A DANGER TO SOMEONE WHO DO I CALL, UH, MARINE SAFETY. 
          SO, UH, YOU COULD EITHER CALL, UH, IF YOU FELT IT WAS LIFE THREATENING, YOU CALL 9 1 1, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THEN YOU HAVE THE 4 3, 5, 6, 7 1 1 NUMBER, WHICH IS POLICE NON-EMERGENCY, RIGHT? OR YOU WOULD CALL DIRECT TO THE LIFEGUARD DISPATCH, WHICH IS 5 7 0 13 60. 
          THAT GOES DIRECTLY TO THE LIFEGUARD SWITCHBOARD. 
          IS THERE, ARE THOSE NUMBERS POSTED FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC, FOR EXAMPLE, AT THAT LOCATION? YES, I BELIEVE SO. 
          ON THE RULES, UH, AS YOU COME IN AND AROUND GRADE STATING, YES. 
          UM, AGAIN, IT'S KIND OF GOING WITH, WITH TRAFFIC FLOW. 
          UH, TRAFFIC COORDINATION SHOULD BE IN A COUNTER CLOCKWISE, UH, ROTATION FOR ALL ACTIVITIES IN THERE. 
          UM, PROPER LIKE, UH, PFDS ARE REQUIRED. 
          UM, BIG ONE, LIKE NO SKI BOOMS OR SIDE TOWING APPARATUS. 
          UM, SO THEN JUST LIKE SOME, AGAIN, THIS IS JUST LIKE A, JUST LIKE A BASELINE INFORMATION, RIGHT? SO WATER SKIING, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS. 
          ONE SKI, TWO SKIS BEING PULLED BEHIND THE BOATS WAKEBOARDING. 
          IT'S, UH, IT'S A, AGAIN, A DEVICE THAT YOU'RE STANDING ON, BUT YOU'RE STRAPPED TO IT. 
          YOU'RE, YOU'RE GETTING PULLED BEHIND THE BOAT LIKE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE USING THE WAKE TO PERFORM A AERIAL 
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MANEUVERS. 
          UM, KIND OF LIKE THE, THE HALLMARK OF, YOU KNOW, THE WAKEBOARDING MOVEMENT, WAKE SURFING. 
          UM, AGAIN, YOU'RE ON A BOARD THIS TIME, NOT TETHERED TO THE BOARD, NOT STRAPS. 
          AND IF YOU ARE USING A ROPE TO GET UP, YOU DROP THAT ROPE ONCE YOU ARE IN, IN THE CAR OF THE WAKE BEHIND THE BOAT, AND THEN TUBING ANOTHER TOW SPORT. 
          UM, KNOW WHAT THAT IS, YOU CAN PULL BEHIND THE, BEHIND THE BOAT AND A TUBE. 
          SO SOME REGULATIONS THAT HAVE COME OUT IN OTHER AGENCIES, UH, THROUGH THE YEARS. 
          UM, STATE OF VERMONT, JUST THIS SPRING, UM, DID MODIFY THE USE OF THEIR PUBLIC WATERS RULES TO REGULATE BOTH WAKE BOATING AND WAKE SPORTS ON THEIR INLAND WATERWAYS. 
          UM, ANYTHING THAT IS ON A STATE BORDER OR CANADIAN BORDER. 
          UM, CHAMPLAIN NOT EVEN TRY TO PRONOUNCE THE NEXT ONE. 
          KINETIC RIVER WALLACE POND. 
          THOSE ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THIS BECAUSE OF THE INNER, UM, AGENCY REGULATION. 
          WHAT IS WAKE SPORTS OR WHAT ARE WAKE SPORTS? UM, IT'S TO OPERATE A, A BOAT WITH BALLAST TANKS, BAGS, DEVICES, ANYTHING THAT'S GONNA SUPPLEMENT OR CHANGE THE WAKE BEHIND THE BOAT. 
          UM, AND, AND NUMBER TWO, IT'S TO, IT USES SURFBOARD, WAKEBOARD, HYDROFOIL, UH, DIRECTLY BEHIND THE BOAT WITHOUT A ROPE. 
          UM, THEN WHEN, WHEN ENGAGING THE USE OF BALL TANKS, BAGS, LIKE ANYTHING TO, TO CHANGE THAT SHAPE OF THE WAKE, UH, WAKE ZONE, UH, IN, IN WITH THEIR DEFINITION IN VERMONT, UH, AREA OF A LAKE POND, A RESERVOIR MINIMUM OF 50 CONTINUOUS ACRES, 500 FEET FROM THE SHORE ON ALL SIDES, AT LEAST 20 FEET DEEP AND 200 FEET WIDE. 
          THEY DETERMINED THIS FOR ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTIONS ON THE SHORELINES. 
          UH, ANY GRASSES ON THE BOTTOM OF THE, THE LAKES, UH, AQUATIC SPECIES. 
          UH, ANOTHER STATE, WISCONSIN, SAME, SAME MONTH, APRIL FAILED TO PASS THEIR STATE SENATE BILL SIX 80, WHICH WOULD'VE REGULATED WAKE SURFING AND WAKE BOARDING. 
          WE FOUND WAYS, UH, AGAIN, HE'S AT 50 ACRES, UH, OR LESS THAN 400 FEET WIDE, UH, PROHIBITED WITHIN 200 FEET OF SHORELINE DOCK PIER STRUCTURES. 
          UM, IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE CITY, VILLAGE TOWN, DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITY WITHIN THE STATE, COULD NOT FURTHER REGULATE WHAT WAS ALREADY OUT THERE. 
          UH, THERE ARE NONPROFITS AND COALITION GROUPS THAT ARE TRYING TO PUSH FOR MORE STRINGENT BILLS COMING FORWARD, BUT IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE LESS STRINGENT ONE DID NOT PASS, UH, STATE OF GEORGIA IN 2023. 
          UH, HOUSE BILL 1 21, AGAIN, REGULATING WAKEBOARDING AND WAKE SURFING. 
          UH, ONE FOR THE DISTANCE RESTRICTIONS, STICKING WITH THAT 200 FEET FROM ANY, ANY SHORELINE BOARD VESSEL, UH, DOCK, PUBLIC USE AREA, MANDATORY, UH, PFDS, UH, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY YOU GOT BETWEEN SUNSET AND, UM, SUNRISE, IT'S, UH, PROHIBITED. 
          SO WITH THOSE GENERAL PIECE OF INFORMATION IN MIND, UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THOSE REGULATIONS WERE SET UP IN A, IN A NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, LAKE SETTING, SHORELINE VEGETATION AND, AND HABITAT. 
          UM, VERY, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC, SPECIFIC ITEMS THEY'RE LOOKING TO CARE FOR. 
          MARINE STADIUM IS, DOES HAVE SOME OF THOSE COMPONENTS, BUT IT HAS BEEN A MANMADE RECREATIONAL CENTER FOR WATER SPORTS OF ALL TYPES. 
          SO I WANTED TO, TO GET THAT OUT THERE AND THEN OPEN IT UP TO, TO QUESTIONS, COMMENTS. 
          UM, IN ADDITION TO THE WAKEBOARDING, I HAVE A CONCERN OVER WITH THE COLORADO LAGOON AREA OPENING UP TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE CLEARLY DEFINED THAT RING STADIUM'S NOT A THOROUGHFARE TO, UH, GO UNDER THAT ELLIOT STREET BRIDGE THAT I'M DREAMING ABOUT. 
          UM, SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD NEED TO BE ADDED TO. 
          UM, AND THAT, UH, SIMILAR THINGS TAKING PLACE WITH THE, UM, THE GOLF COMMISSION THAT THEY REQUESTED A CHANGE IN MUNICIPAL CODE, AND THAT REQUIRES SUBSTANTIAL STAFF TIME AND COORDINATION WITH, UM, THOSE THAT WOULD BE INVOLVED IN ENFORCEMENT AS WELL AS THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. 
          SO, UM, I THINK, WE'LL, WE'LL WANNA TAKE A LOT OF NOTES WITH THIS AND THEN PROBABLY END UP WITH AN ACTION TO STAFF. 
          SO LET'S, LET'S START WITH OUR, OUR OBSERVATIONS AND QUESTIONS SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT STAFF IS AWARE OF ALL THOSE WITHIN THE COMMISSION, AND THEN WE'LL GO OUT TO THE PUBLIC ONE. 
          I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD. 
          UM, MY FIRST QUESTION IS, UM, I SUSPECT THAT, UM, THE MARINE ENFORCEMENT FOLKS KEEP TRACK OF THE KINDS OF ISSUES THAT THEY'RE IDENTIFYING WITH RESPECT TO NON-COMPLIANCE 
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WITH OTHER RULES AND REGULATIONS. 
          IS THIS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADD ANOTHER TICK, YOU KNOW, TICK TO A BOX SAYING SOMEBODY WAS OUT IN MARINE, MARINE STADIUM DOING SOME WAKEBOARDING THAT WAS NOT, YOU KNOW, APPROPRIATE? CAN YOU START GATHERING THOSE STATISTICS AND UNDERSTANDING THOSE, UH, IN THOSE EVENTS AS THEY HAPPEN IN THE PUBLIC? UM, AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THE SCOPE OF THE PROBLEM MIGHT BE AT THE TIME? THIS KIND OF THING STARTS MOVING AHEAD IN A, A MORE REGULATORY MANNER? YEAH, WELL, AS IT, AS IT STANDS LIKE THE WAKEBOARDING IS, IS PERMITTED, UH, AND WAKE SURFING BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S NOT SPECIFICALLY CALLED OUT AS NOT, AND IT, IT'S KIND OF, IT'S FALLING IN WITHIN WAKEBOARDING. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S NOT A PROHIBITED ACTIVITY AT THIS POINT. 
          WAKE SURFING IS NOT A PROHIBITED, IT'S NOT PROHIBITED AT THIS POINT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND YET THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMMENTING TO US IN PAST MEETINGS ABOUT WHAT THEY SEE AS BEING A DANGEROUS ACTIVITY OCCURRING ON WATER FOR OTHER PEOPLE ON BOATS AND PEOPLE ALONG THE SHORE. 
          SO YET COULD THERE BE ELEMENTS OF A, UM, YOU KNOW, AN EVENT HAPPENING THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE A SAFETY ISSUE FOR, FOR BYSTANDERS? ANYTIME THAT YOU GET UP BEHIND A BOAT ON ANY, ANYTHING, YOU'RE, YOU'RE SIGNING UP FOR SOME LEVEL OF, OF RISK. 
          OKAY. 
          I GET IT. 
          LIKE, SO WAKEBOARDING SKIING, I, I THINK I'VE TAKEN HARDER FALLS ON A, ON A SLALOM SKI THAN I HAVE ON A WAKEBOARD. 
          SO I'M, WHAT I'M TRYING TO CONVEY IS, YOU KNOW, IF THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WERE, WERE COMPLAINING ABOUT A SAFETY ISSUE OCCURRING ON MARINE STADIUM, THEY CALL THE APPROPRIATE PERSON, THEY COULD DO THAT FOR SOMEONE WHO'S WATER, YOU KNOW, WATER SKIING, THEY COULD DO THAT FOR ANYBODY, RIGHT. 
          IN ANY CAPACITY THAT THEY FELT WAS DOING SOMETHING DANGEROUS IN A PUBLIC BODY OF WATER. 
          COULD THERE BE A WAY OF STARTING TO ACCUMULATE INFORMATION ABOUT THESE WEAK SURFING EVENTS AND EPISODES? YES. 
          I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A GREAT WAY TO START IDENTIFYING THESE, THESE THINGS IN THAT WE DO HAVE PEOPLE FROM THE PUBLIC COME AND SPEAK TO US. 
          MAYBE THERE ARE OTHER MORE OBJECTIVE WAYS OF UNDERSTANDING WHAT'S HAPPENING AND HOW PEOPLE ARE REPORTING THAT INFORMATION TO THE CITY. 
          TO DOVETAIL ON THAT, I'D ALMOST LIKE TO SEE THE REPORTS THAT WOULD COME INTO THE, UM, LIFEGUARD STATION, UM, BE REPORTED TO US ON A REGULAR BASIS. 
          SO WE KNOW WHAT TYPE OF INFRACTIONS THAT ARE ON THE CONSTANT AND CONTINUAL, IF THERE'S LIKE REPEAT OFFENDERS OR IF THERE'S MISUSES OF THE AREA, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE AWARE OF THAT. 
          'CAUSE THE PUBLIC'S GONNA COME TELL US AND THEY HAVE TOLD US ABOUT IT, BUT WE ALSO NEED TO BE STEWARDS OF THAT AREA. 
          SO IT'S INCUMBENT UPON US TO UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT TYPE OF INFORMATION WE'RE RECEIVING AND THEN WHAT, HOW DO WE NEED TO ASK FOR THE ORDINANCE TO BE CHANGED SO IT BENEFITS OUR WHOLE COMMUNITY. 
          SO I THINK WE NEED THAT UNOBSTRUCTED INFORMATION TO COME TO US IN, IN LIKE A, I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO GET THE REPORT LIKE MONTHLY OR GET A QUARTERLY REPORT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT I'D SURE LIKE TO KNOW THAT BEFORE WE, UH, AND BECAUSE WE'RE JUST ADVISORY, RIGHT? WE CANNOT MAKE POLICY. 
          SO I DON'T WANNA WASTE MY TIME, YOU KNOW, THINKING ABOUT WHAT IT COULD BE. 
          I WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS IT ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEM BEFORE YOU SOLVE IT. 
          MM-HMM, , ABSOLUTELY. 
          YEAH. 
          WAS THERE ANOTHER COMMENT FROM THAT? JUST TO INTERJECT ON THAT REALLY QUICK. 
          UM, WE CAN ASK, YOU KNOW, GOING FORWARD FROM RAIN SAFETY TO MAKE THAT PART OF THE MANAGER'S REPORT, UM, AND LIKE WHAT THEY'RE BRINGING TO THE MAP. 
          OKAY. 
          I HAVE A, UM, DO, IS THERE ANY WEIGHT RESTRICTIONS ON BOATS? THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S LENGTH RESTRICTIONS, BUT IS THERE ANY WEIGHT RESTRICTIONS? BECAUSE THAT'S THE PROBLEM. 
          LOADING UP THESE BOATS WITH BALLASTS AND COMING IN, THEY'RE WITHIN 20, THEY'RE PUTTING UNITS ON THE STERN THOUGH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO YEAH. 
          IS THERE A WEIGHT RESTRICTION? AND IN THE FUTURE, CAN WE ADVISE A WEIGHT RESTRICTION? UH, THE BOATS THEMSELVES COME WITH LIKE, PASSENGER AND LIKE WEIGHT RESTRICTIONS AS FAR AS LIKE LOADS. 
          UM, I HEAR BOB TALKING OVER HERE, SO LIKE, BOATS ARE ALSO RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR WAKES AND, AND WHERE, WHERE THEY'RE GOING. 
          UM, AND I, I DON'T KNOW. 
          LIKE IF, IF, I'M NOT SURE IF, IF WE CAN OR WE CAN'T, I MEAN WE CAN, IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DEFINITELY TALK ABOUT. 
          AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, RESTRICTIONS. 
          I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT WOULD BE AS FAR AS WEIGHT. 
          LIKE HOW WE WOULD, HOW WE WOULD MONITOR THAT. 
          'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A, WE DON'T HAVE A HAUL OUT OVER THERE THAT, HEY, EVERYBODY GET IN THE BOAT. 
          I WANT TO, I WANT TO WEIGH YOU NOW. 
          LIKE, I'M NOT SURE HOW WE WOULD ENFORCE, LIKE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
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THE WATER LINE , LIKE A SCALE. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? WELL, I WAS JUST, UM, IT'S NOT LIKE THAT RELATED, BUT WITH THE COLORADO LAGOON GETTING CONNECTED THERE, UM, I THINK I REMEMBER FROM THE LIKE TIME WHEN SHE CAME AND TALKED ABOUT THE PROJECT THAT IT WOULD CAUSE LIKE LOWER LOW TIDES AND HIGHER HIGH TIDES, UM, IN COLORADO LAGOON. 
          BUT I'M CURIOUS IF IT WILL ALSO AFFECT MARINE STADIUM IN THAT WAVE WHERE IT WOULD HAVE LOWER LOW TIDES AND HIGHER HIGH TIDES. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS REMEMBER THAT. 
          I BELIEVE IT WAS THE FREQUENCY. 
          OKAY. 
          TIDES COMING IN BECAUSE THEY'RE MANUALLY DOING THAT WITH THE GATE NOW AND YEAH, NOW IT'S FREE FLOW. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IT WOULDN'T, IT WOULDN'T AFFECT THE, THE TIDE HEIGHT IN MARINE STADIUM. 
          BUT TO ANSWER PREVIOUS QUESTIONS, UH, IS WHEN, WHEN THAT PROJECT IS COMPLETED AND AS IT'S COMING TO COMPLETION, UH, OUR MARINE MAINTENANCE TEAM WILL COORDINATE WITH MARINE SAFETY AND THE PROJECT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE MECHANISMS IN PLACE AT EACH END TO PROVIDE FOR THE SAFETY OF SWIMMERS AND VOTERS. 
          SO WE WE'RE, WE'RE READY FOR THAT. 
          WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO SOMETHING AT THAT LOCATION TO, TO NOT JUST MITIGATE, BUT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING THROUGH THERE. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ON OUR SIDE? CAN WE GO, GO TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC? UH, I PUT ONE COMMENT. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT, UM, SWIMMING IS PERMITTED IN MARINE STADIUM. 
          EXACTLY. 
          THE RULES THAT EXIST, I MEAN, WILL GO JUST CLARIFY. 
           AS AN AVID SWIMMER, HAVE, YOU'VE BEEN MISSING OUT . 
          I'M GONNA VOLUNTEER FOR THE MPS F I'LL MAKE AN OBSERVATION. 
          OCEAN SWIM. 
          YOU CAN SWIM IN COLORADO LAGOON. 
          YES. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A POINT AT WHICH, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A PROTECTED SCENARIO THOUGH, WHERE THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO GO PAST THE BUOY LINE AND IT'LL STOP. 
          IT'S SUPPOSED TO STOP THEM FROM GOING THAT WAY. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT I THINK BACK TO THE COLORADO LAGOON POINT AND THE PROTECTED AREA, I THINK THAT THAT COULD, THAT SIGNAGE COULD BE BETTER FOR OUR SWIMMERS, ESPECIALLY FOR PEOPLE VISITING OUR AREA WHO MIGHT NOT NORMALLY FREQUENT THAT AREA. 
          AS A SWIMMER WHO HAS SWAM IN COLORADO LAGOON, ESPECIALLY DURING COVID, I THOUGHT SIGNAGE COULD BE BETTER. 
          YEAH, THAT'S GOOD POINT. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          LET'S GO OVER ON THE GENERAL PUBLIC . 
          WE'LL START WITH DR. 
          MAYES. 
          YES. 
          UH, TOM MAYES, UH, BOAT OWNERS ASSOCIATION, BUT I ALSO USE THE ROLLING CENTER, UH, FOR AN EXERCISE CLASS. 
          AND, UH, I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMPETITIVE ROWERS WHO HANG OUT THERE PAY REALLY CLOSE ATTENTION TO THE TRAFFIC IN MARINE STADIUM. 
          AND THEY WILL CALL THE MARINE PATROL LIKE THAT ON ANYONE THAT IS, UH, UH, OPERATING, UH, WAKEBOARDING OR, UH, WATER SKIING, UH, IN WHAT APPEARS TO BE AN UN UH, UH, UNSAFE WAY SUCH THAT IT MIGHT DANGER OTHER VOTERS IN THAT, UH, AREA. 
          SO IT'S WELL WATCHED. 
          AND MAYBE, UH, A USEFUL, UH, ADDITION WOULD BE TO HAVE A VERY FAST WAY TO NOTIFY THE AUTHORITIES MARINE PATROL WHEN ANYTHING IS GOING ON IN THERE. 
          'CAUSE WE SEE MARINE PATROL PEOPLE COMING IN THERE DRAGGING PEOPLE OUT WHENEVER THEY LOOK LIKE THEY ARE, UM, MISBEHAVING. 
          SO, DR. 
          BIRDER, I THINK YOU HAD YOUR HAND ON THE NEXT, UM, THAT'S TRUE. 
          THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. 
          THE HARBOR PATROL, THE MARINE PATROL, SITS RIGHT AT THE EDGE OF MAR MARINE STADIUM, AND THEY WILL, THEY USE A PA SYSTEM. 
          WHEN SOMEONE COMES INTO THE STADIUM WITH A A PADDLE BOARD STAND UP PADDLE BOARD, THEY COME IN WITH A PERSONAL WATER CRAFT, THE JET SKIS, IF THEY COME ROWING IN NOT KNOWING WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO. 
          THE RULES THAT YOU SAW OUT THERE ARE POSTED IN THE STADIUM, IN THE WATER UNASSIGNED FOR BOTH THE DINNER AND THE STADIUM IN THE WATER. 
          THEY'RE ALSO POSTED RIGHT AT THE GATE AS YOU PAY TO COME IN ALONG WITH THE PHONE NUMBER, I HAVE A PICTURE OF THE, THE, THE REGULATIONS POSTED RIGHT THERE AT THE GATE TO, SO THAT YOU HAVE A NUMBER THAT YOU CAN CALL WHEN YOU SEE SOMETHING UNSAFE. 
          WHAT YOU SAW FROM THE OTHER STATES THAT ARE TRYING TO REGULATE THIS, UM, THEY'RE TRYING TO LIMIT THIS TO BODIES OF WATER THAT ARE 50 ACRES WHEN YOU CALCULATE, BASED ON 3000 FOOT LENGTH AND 510 FEET WIDTH, MARINE STADIUM'S, 34 ACRES. 
          OKAY? THIS IS A NARROW CONFINED AREA WHERE BOATS ARE COMING IN, CREATING TWO FOOT WAKES. 
          MOST OF THE, THE, EVEN THE INDUSTRY THAT SELLS THESE BOATS AND HAS A VERY STRONG INTEREST IN PRESERVING WAKE SURFERS RIGHTS SAYS THAT THE, UH, THESE BOATS SHOULD BE STAYING 
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AT LEAST 200 FEET AWAY FROM OTHER BOATS STRUCTURES, DOCKS, MORGUE VESSELS, UM, BECAUSE THEY CREATE A LOT OF ENERGY TO CAUSE PROBLEMS FOR, UH, LOW PROFILE BOATS AND SMALLER BOATS. 
          YOU KNOW, WAKE SURFING HAS EVOLVED OVER TIME. 
          IT'S KIND OF LIKE SKATEBOARDING BECAME ELECTRIC SKATEBOARDING, BICYCLES BECAME ELECTRIC BICYCLES, AND NOW PEOPLE ARE RUNNING UP AND DOWN, YOU KNOW, GOING 30 MILES AN HOUR ON A, ON A, UH, ON A BICYCLE AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO REGULATE THAT. 
          WAKE SURFING IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN WATER SKIING AND WAKEBOARDING. 
          YOU'RE ALWAYS HOLDING THE ROPE WHEN YOU'RE ON A WAKEBOARD OR WHEN YOU'RE ON A WATER SKI, YOU DON'T THROW THE ROPE BACK INTO THE BOAT AND YOU DON'T CREATE A WAKE THAT IS HUGE. 
          I MEAN, THESE ARE LARGE WAKES. 
          THEY'RE EASY TO SEE. 
          THESE FOLKS ARE OUT THERE FREQUENTLY. 
          PERSONALLY, I'M NOT AGAINST WAKE SURFERS. 
          I THINK IT'S, IT, IT LOOKS LIKE A FUN SPORT. 
          IT LOOKS THESE PEOPLE HAVE INVESTED A LOT OF MONEY IN THESE BOATS, BUT THERE ARE PLACES THAT IT'S JUST NOT APPROPRIATE. 
          AND THERE ARE PLACES WHERE IT IS APPROPRIATE. 
          WE'RE NOT SAYING NO WAKE SURFING IN LONG BEACH BECAUSE THERE'S AN ENTIRE OCEAN RIGHT OUT HERE WITH PLENTY OF SPACE PROTECTED BY A BREAK WATER PROTECTED BY OIL ISLANDS AND PROTECTED OVER NEAR THE QUEEN MARY, WHERE THE EXACT SAME THING CAN GO ON. 
          AND REALLY, IT'S NOT GONNA DO ANY, IN FACT, IT MIGHT CREATE WAVES FOR SURFERS IF THEY WANT TO START SURFING AGAIN IN LONG BEACH SURFING BACK TO LONG BEACH WITH WAKE SURFERS. 
          ANYWAY. 
          UM, SO PEOPLE DON'T ALWAYS CALL, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RECORDS ARE BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF BEEN ACCEPTED. 
          YOU DON'T CALL EVERY TIME YOU SEE A SKATEBOARD GOING 30 MILES AN HOUR PAST YOU BECAUSE IT'S ELECTRIC OR AN ELECTRIC BICYCLE. 
          YOU'RE KIND OF, WE'RE IN A, IN A GRAY ZONE WITH THIS MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO THE REPORTING HASN'T BEEN GREAT. 
          UM, WE SEE THIS AND WE KIND OF ACCEPT IT. 
          EVERYBODY RUNS OUT AND YOUR BOATS AT ANCHOR ON THE SAND, AND YOU HAVE TO SEND SIX PEOPLE OUT TO HOLD ONTO IT SO THAT THE WAVES AREN'T COMING OVER AND SWAMPING YOUR BOAT. 
          WE SKI IN LOW PROFILE BOATS, TOURNAMENT SKI BOATS. 
          THESE ARE BOATS THAT CANNOT GO PAST THE, THE JETTIES AND OUT INTO THESE AREAS AROUND THE OIL ISLANDS AND THE BREAKWATERS, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT MADE FOR THAT. 
          WATER SKIING AND WAKEBOARDING ARE MADE FOR PROTECTED BODIES OF WATER LIKE THIS. 
          SO, UM, YOUR QUESTIONS ARE EXCELLENT AND IT IS A GRAY AREA BECAUSE IT'S DEVELOPED RECENTLY, BUT IT IS A, IT IS AND IT IS EASY TO SEE IT. 
          YOU GO DOWN AND SPEND I THINK A HALF AN HOUR AND, YOU KNOW, ON A PRETTY DAY IT'S AT LEAST IN THE SUMMERTIME OR AFTER SCHOOL NOW, OR ON WEEKENDS, YOU'LL SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE WHEN THESE BOATS GO BY AND WHAT PEOPLE ARE DOING. 
          SO YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT USING PATROL REPORTS IS NOT A VALID METRIC IN YOUR OPINION? I DON'T. 
          WHAT WOULD YOU PROPOSE THAT WE SPENT THE NEXT 30 DAYS LOOKING TOWARDS? UM, COMMENT WITH THE PUBLIC. 
          YEAH. 
          CONSIDER WHAT YOU'RE ISN'T THAT WITH, UM, IF IT'S A SUBJECT, IT'S JUST IN PUBLIC COMMENT, AGENDA ITEMS, PUBLIC COMMENT CAN BE RESPONDED. 
          I STAND CORRECTED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM. 
          UM, I'M SORRY, I, WHAT'S THE QUESTION? SO, UM, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S, YOU'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT AS A METRIC. 
          AND SO IF WE'RE SENDING BACK 30 DAYS TO INVESTIGATE DEEPER, WHAT SHOULD WE BE TRACKING? WHAT SHOULD WE BE LOOKING AT? UH, DO WE NEED TO EACH ONE OF US GO OUT THERE? DO WE NEED TO, UM, WHAT'S GONNA BE THE MOST VALID WAY THAT WE'RE GONNA SEE IF, IF THERE IS A NEED THAT EXISTS? OKAY, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          SO, UM, THIS IS, IT'S WORTH SEEING, UH, THE FREQUENCY AGAIN, IS MORE IN THE SUMMER AND ON WEEKENDS, BUT, UM, IT, IT IS, WELL, WE, WE'VE TRIED TO FIGURE OUT A WAY, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I THINK THE STATES THAT HAVE BEEN REGULATING THIS AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO ALLOW THIS IN SMALLER AREAS, UH, AT CERTAIN TIMES AND REGULATE, YOU KNOW, DAYS OR TIMES THAT THIS IS ALLOWED JUST LIKE THE ROWING IS ALLOWED AT A CERTAIN TIME IN, IN MARINE STADIUM, UM, THERE PROBABLY IS NO SAFE TIME FOR THIS IN MARINE STADIUM. 
          SO I WOULD RECOMMEND ACTUALLY ASKING THE HARBOR, UH, UH, THE MARINE PATROL BOATS, THEY'RE RIGHT THERE TO RECORD EVERY TIME, UH, A A BOAT COMES THROUGH IT, IF YOU ARE WAKE SURFING, YOU ARE CREATING THESE WAKES, IT'S NOT SAFE. 
          YOU ARE ALREADY CAUSING A PROBLEM JUST BY BEING IN THE STADIUM. 
          SO THE ANSWER IS HAVE ASK THE, THE MARINE PATROL TO, UM, OBSERVE IT AND RECORD IT. 
          AND IS A 30 DAY WINDOW BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT MEETING, IS THAT GONNA BE A VALID TIME PERIOD? IT'S LESS ACTIVE WITH THE SURFERS THAN IT IS IN THE SUMMERTIME. 
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SO I, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S BETTER THAN NOTHING, I WOULD SAY. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S TOTALLY VALID, BUT IT'S BETTER THAN NOTHING. 
          YES, SIR. 
          YEAH. 
          GREG LETTERS IS IT, UM, JUST TO KIND OF GIVE SOME EXPERIENCE THAT I HAD, I RECENTLY PURCHASED A BOAT, BUT I'VE BEEN AROUND WATER SPORTS, UH, WATER SKIING, WAKEBOARDING, ALL OF IT MY ENTIRE LIFE. 
          UH, MOSTLY ON THE COLORADO RIVER, BUT, UM, PURCHASED A BOAT TO TAKE MY FAMILY AND ENJOY MARINE STADIUM. 
          UM, GOT THERE EARLY EIGHT O'CLOCK ON A SUNDAY MORNING, GOT MY DAUGHTER UP SKIING, MY SON UP SKIING, THE WIFE EVERY, WE WERE ALL HAVING A GOOD TIME BY 10 30, 11 O'CLOCK, ONE WAKE BOAT CAME OUT, ONE WAKE SURFING BOAT. 
          WE WERE DONE. 
          I, MY BOAT'S A 20 FOOT BOAT. 
          IT'S WITHIN THE RULES, BUT IT'S DESIGNED FOR SKIING, WAKE BOARDING. 
          IT'S NOT DESIGNED FOR WAKE SURFING. 
          I COULD NOT GO OUT ON THE WATER. 
          AND I FELT THAT IF I WAS, I WAS PUTTING MY FAMILY IN DANGER AND I FELT THAT MY BOAT WAS IN DANGER SITTING ON ANCHORED AT THE BEACH. 
          SO IT WAS AT THAT POINT IN TIME WHERE I DON'T HAVE ANY JURISDICTION. 
          THEY'RE NOT BREAKING ANY RULES. 
          I CAN'T SAY TO THEM, HEY, CAN WE TAKE TURNS? I'M, I'M NOT THE, YOU KNOW, THE POLICE ON THAT. 
          I CAN'T ASK THAT OF THEM. 
          THEY'RE THERE JUST HAVING THEIR OWN FUN. 
          THEY GOT THEIR MUSIC UP. 
          SO WE PACKED OUR THINGS UP AND WENT OFF TO BAY SHORE AND HAD A BEACH DAY. 
          UM, CAME BACK LATER IN THE AFTERNOON THINKING THAT MAYBE THERE'LL BE A BREAK IN THE ACTION. 
          THERE WAS FOUR WEIGHT BOATS OUT IN THE WATER. 
          THERE WAS NO WAY I WAS, I COULDN'T EVEN DRIVE INTO THE STADIUM UNLESS I WANTED TO TAKE WATER OVER THE BOW. 
          IT WOULD'VE BEEN A DANGEROUS ENVIRONMENT. 
          UM, SO, UH, I THINK THE, I THINK THE WEIGHT THING IS VERY, VERY VALID. 
          HOW YOU ENFORCE THAT OR HOW YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? I THINK ONE THING COULD BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION IS, I DON'T HAVE A, AN ISSUE WITH WAKE SURFERS OR WAKE BOATS. 
          IT'S THE WEIGHT OF A BOAT. 
          AND YOU CAN PUT WEIGHT IN ANY BOAT AND CREATE MORE OF A WAKE. 
          I COULD DO IT IN MY OWN BOAT, IT WOULD GO UNDERWATER. 
          BUT YOU COULD DO THAT. 
          SO I THINK, UH, YOU HAVE A LENGTH ISSUE FOR A RULE. 
          I THINK YOU COULD HAVE VERY MUCH A WEIGHT RESTRICTION OR USE OF BALLAST, BECAUSE THAT'S ADDING WEIGHT, WHICH IS ENHANCING. 
          YOU'RE NOW CREATING WAKE. 
          YOU'RE NOT, AND AS BRIAN BROUGHT UP, THAT'S DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE ON THE WEIGHT AND, AND JUST A COMMENT ON THAT. 
          SURE. 
          AND I'M SURE YOU'RE AWARE, AND OTHER VOTERS ARE AWARE, UM, THE ARC BOATS AND THE ELECTRIC BOATS THAT ARE COMING, THEY DON'T NEED BALANCE. 
          THEY'RE ALREADY SUPER HEAVY. 
          YES, EXACTLY. 
          THEY, THEY WEIGH TWICE, THREE TIMES, FOUR TIMES WHAT A SKI BOAT WEIGHS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, UM, THEY'RE GONNA CAST A FOUR FOOT WAKE EASY DR. 
          BURN. 
          SO WE'VE LOOKED INTO THIS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T WEIGH A BOAT IF THE MARINE, IF THE HARBOR, THE MARINE PATROL, UH, INVESTIGATES, UM, YOUR BOAT IS REGISTERED WITH THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA WITH A LENGTH, UM, EVERY OWNER'S MANUAL FOR A BOAT. 
          IT'S PUBLISHED WHAT THE WEIGHT OF THE BOAT IS SO THAT YOU CAN TRAIL THE BOAT APPROPRIATELY, SAFELY, AND KNOW THE, THE, THE TONGUE WEIGHT OF YOUR BOAT. 
          SO THAT IS AVAILABLE. 
          YOU, IF THE MARINE PATROL PULLS SOMEBODY OVER, THESE WAKE ENHANCING DEVICES CAN'T BE EMPTIED IMMEDIATELY. 
          AND THERE ARE SEVERAL WAYS TO ENHANCE A WAKE. 
          THE, THE ACTUAL WAKE BOAT BOATS HAVE TANKS BUILT IN TANKS. 
          THEY RUN PUMPS. 
          YOU'LL SEE 'EM RUN UP AND DOWN THE STADIUM BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY START WAKE SURFING BECAUSE THEY'RE FILLING THEIR TANKS AND, AND WEIGHING DOWN THEIR BOATS. 
          OLDER BOATS HAVE PLASTIC BAGS. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE FAT SACKS. 
          THEY HAVE A NAME. 
          UM, AND THOSE GET FILLED. 
          AND THEN THERE ARE ALSO GATES THAT CAN COME OUT AND BE PUSHED OUT FROM THE SIDE OF THE BOAT TO PUSH MORE WATER UP. 
          IT GETS EVEN CRAZIER. 
          THEY'LL PUT EVERYBODY ON ONE SIDE OF THE BOAT TO CREATE THE LARGEST WAKE ON ONE SIDE OF THE BOAT THAT THEY CAN, THIS IS SURFING AND THEY HAVE A 3000 FOOT RUN RIDE ON A SURFBOARD WITHOUT HOLDING ONTO A ROPE. 
          AND MUSIC IS BLARING, AND THAT'S OKAY. 
          BUT IT IS, IT CREATES SOMETHING THAT AFFECTS ANYBODY ELSE, EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE STADIUM. 
          WELL, THE 2010 SOLUTION WAS HAVING DIFFERENT HOURS FOR DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES. 
          SO IF WE WANT YOU START COLLECTING METRICS FOR WHAT THE POSSIBILITY AND SOME OF THE OPTIONS ARE TO CHANGE THE MUNICIPAL CODE, I THINK WE GO BACK TO THE, WE ASKED THE MARINE PATROL, AND YOUR SUGGESTION WOULD BE THAT TO TRACK THOSE. 
          AND I BELIEVE, UM, STAFF'S OPINION IS THAT THAT WOULD TAKE A COUPLE MONTHS TO REALLY GET SOME VALID NUMBERS THAT MR. BUSTER MARK. 
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YES. 
          CHAIRMAN MARIE. 
          UM, THEN YOU RUN INTO AN ISSUE WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL, WITH THESE THREE FOOT WAKES POUNDING THE SHORELINE ON THE SAND SIDE. 
          THEY JUST, THOSE WAKES COME WHEN THEY MAKE A PASS, LIKE SCOTTY WAS SAYING, THEY WILL, THERE WILL BE ROLLERS, THE FULL LENGTH OF THE MARINE STADIUM, LITERALLY THE FULL LENGTH OF THE MARINE STADIUM, TWO TO THREE FEET COMING ON, ON ONTO THE SAND. 
          AND, UH, THE WHOLE KEY HERE IS JUST TO DISALLOW SURFBOARDS AND HAVE A, UH, LAKE ARROWHEAD I MENTIONED HAS A MINIMUM ROPE LENGTHS OF 30 TO 50 FEET. 
          AND THEY CAN'T SURF BEHIND THOSE BOATS. 
          THEY CAN ONLY SURF FIVE TO 10 FEET BEHIND THOSE WAKE SURF BOATS AT 30 FEET AND 50 FEET. 
          THEY CANNOT, THEY CANNOT SURF BEHIND THOSE BOATS. 
          AND THAT AGAINST AN ENFORCEMENT CHALLENGE THOUGH, FOR OUR MARINE PATROL, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH CAN WE PUT IN A MUNICIPAL CODE THAT'S REALLY ENFORCEABLE WITHIN REASON? WELL, EVERY ONE OF THOSE LIFEGUARDS, THE BOAT OPERATORS AND THE, UH, AND THE, UH, MATE ON THE LIFEGUARD BOATS, THEY ALL KNOW WHAT THE SITUATION IS DOWN THERE. 
          THEY, THEY KNOW IT'S DANGEROUS. 
          AND THEN WHO WOULD YOU SUGGEST FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL SIDE WOULD BE OUR BEST? UH, I, THE HOMEOWNERS, LOT OF THE HOMEOWNERS OKAY. 
          UH, ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF THOSE WAKES, THOSE WAVES COMING UP ON THE BEACH. 
          I, I DON'T KNOW WHO YOU'D CONTACT THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT THE, LIKE, GREG AND, AND SCOTTY WERE SAYING THERE'S NOT A PROBLEM WITH THE WA SPORT OF WATER SKIING OR WAKEBOARDING WITH THE SMALLER BOARDS. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, WE GET ALONG JUST FINE IN THERE, BUT WHEN THE GREAT WHITE SHARKS SHOW UP, LIKE GREG SAYS, WE GOTTA LEAVE OR TEND TO OUR BOAT ALL THE TIME BECAUSE OF, OKAY. 
          UH, ANY, LET'S GIVE, FINISH UP WITH THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE IT BACK IN THE INSIDE THE ROPES. 
          DR. MAYS? YEAH. 
          JUST REAL QUICKLY, IS THIS A WEEKEND PROBLEM? BECAUSE I USUALLY AM OUT IN THAT MAUREEN STADIUM AREA DURING THE WEEK ONLY, AND THERE'S VERY LITTLE TRAFFIC IN THAT, UH, IN THAT AREA THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT THERE. 
          I MEAN, THERE IS SOME AND THERE ARE WAKEBOARDING WAKEBOARDERS AND, UH, YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT COULD BE DANGEROUS IF THERE WERE A LOT OF THEM. 
          BUT I'M WONDERING IF IT'S A WEEKEND PROBLEM RATHER THAN A WEEKDAY PROBLEM. 
          NO, IT'S A SEVEN DAY, ANY DAY THE GREAT WHITE SHARKS CAN SHOW UP. 
          OKAY. 
          DID YOU HAVE ONE MORE FINAL QUESTION FOR, AS I SAID, SUMMERTIME IS THE WORST AND WEEKENDS ARE THE WORST. 
          BUT OUR GROUP GOES OUT AND SKIS ON TUESDAYS, AND AS SOON AS A WAKEBOARDER A WAVE SURFER COMES IN, IT'S, WE'RE WE'RE DONE. 
          UM, ONE OTHER BIT OF INFORMATION THAT WAS ADDRESSED IN THE INDUSTRY, UH, INFORMATION AND THE STATES, 'CAUSE THEY SET A DEPTH LIMIT ALSO FOR THE AREA WHERE THEY COULD BE DOING WAKE SURFING. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DEPTH IS, YOU HAVE THE LENGTH AND THE WIDTH, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DEPTH IS. 
          OUR DEPTH GAUGES SHOW ANYWHERE BETWEEN 13 AND 15 FEET. 
          THESE WAKES ARE MAGNIFIED, UH, ANY FOR ANY, UH, UH, SURFACE LESS THAN 20 FOR ANY DEPTH, LESS THAN 20 FEET. 
          THE MARINE STADIUM FLUCTUATES. 
          BUT, UM, I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT THE, WHAT THE DEPTH IS. 
          ONE LITTLE QUICK OTHER NOTE WAS THE MANUFACTURERS, UH, MANY OF THEM ACTUALLY PUT IN THEIR BROCHURES OR HOWEVER THEY SELL THESE BOATS THAT THEY, THEY DON'T RECOMMEND MAKING MULTIPLE SURF PASSES IN FRONT OF STRUCTURES, HOMES, DOCKS ON THESE, YOU KNOW, LAKES AND WHATNOT. 
          SO WITH THIS PLACE HERE, HOW DO YOU NOT ? IT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE NAME OF THE GAME THERE. 
          SO, AND JUST TO REITERATE, REITERATE, REITERATE A POINT, NOT A MINUTE AWAY FROM HERE, AND THERE'S ANOTHER RAMP THAT THEY CAN DROP OFF IN. 
          THEY ARE IN A PERFECTLY GOOD BAY TO DO WHAT THEY COULD DO. 
          THAT HUGE BAY THAT NOBODY WILL CARE ABOUT. 
          WE'RE GONNA BRING IT INSIDE THE ROPES. 
          NOW, AS THEY SAY, COUNCIL THE RED AND MADAM CHAIR, WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THE PUBLIC AND NOT KNOWING EXACTLY WHAT THE SPORT LOOKS LIKE, IF THIS, UM, POTENTIAL GUIDANCE DOCUMENT OR CHANGES TO OUR REGULATIONS WOULD WERE TO FOCUS ON THE SURFER AND THE PROHIBITION OF A SURFER UNCONNECTED TO A, 
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A, A VESSEL UNTETHERED, UNTETHERED, UNTETHERED. 
          AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, WE, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE CONSTRAINTS ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE BOAT, THE VALLEYS, THE WEIGHT, THE WHATEVER, BUT THE OBJECTIVE OF THE PERSON WHO'S TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THAT WIG MIGHT BE A WAY OF IDENTIFYING AND HELPING MARINE, UM, UH, PATROL IN THEIR ENFORCEMENT OF THIS. 
          JUST ONE, ONE OBSERVATION, JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON THAT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, I WOULD RECOMMEND YOU FOCUS ON THE ACTIVITY, THE RECREATIONAL ACTIVITY, LIKE COMMISSIONER CAGER SAID, UH, AND NOT ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT AS MARINE STADIUM WAS BUILT FOR RECREATIONAL ACTIVITY. 
          THIS IS A RECREATIONAL . 
          BRIAN STARTED OUT HIS PRESENTATION SAYING, YEAH. 
          SO, UH, UM, AND THEN AS TO THE DEPTH, THE DEPTH OF 20 FEET WAS A RECOMMENDATION DUE TO THE IMPACT ON ENVIRONMENTAL HABITATS LIKE GRASSES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          SO AGAIN, FOCUS MORE ON LIKE WHAT COMMISSIONER CAGER SAID, THE ACTIVITY AND NOT THE ENVIRONMENTAL, BECAUSE, AND ALSO IT'D BE DIFFICULT ALL WAKE SPORTS, NOT OUR TOE SPORTS CREATE WAKE, WHICH HAVE A RIPPLING EFFECT, PUN INTENDED, THAT CAN AFFECT THE ENVIRONMENT. 
          I'LL GIVE YOU ONE LAST CHANCE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, IT MIGHT HELP YOU GET A BETTER IDEA IF YOU SPOKE TO SOME OF THE LIFEGUARDS THAT ARE ASSIGNED TO THE MARINE STADIUM ON RESCUE BOOK THREE. 
          UM, THEY COULD GIVE YOU A LOT OF INPUT. 
          THEY, THEY REALIZE THE, UH, THE DANGER INVOLVED, BUT THERE'S NOTHING THEY CAN DO. 
          THEY CAN'T REGULATE IT. 
          THERE'S NOTHING. 
          BUT THEY ALL REALIZE THAT WHEN THE, WHEN THE SURF BOATS SHOW UP, IT'S GAME OVER FOR EVERYBODY ELSE. 
          I MEAN, YOU GET YOUNG KIDS DOWN THERE, UM, IN INFLATABLES, THEY'RE DOING LAPS AND S**T. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE TIGHT ON TIME. 
          IT'S 4 0 8, SO I'M GONNA, NO, AND WHAT I'M HEARING, AND I FLUBBED THE YANK BEGINNING AND DID NOT MAKE IT A, A MOTION FOR US TO START THIS ACTION. 
          SO I'M GONNA GO NOW WITH A, A MOTION WHAT I BELIEVE WE HEARD AND WAS CONSENSUS. 
          AND, UM, BY PASSING THAT MOTION, YOU'LL VALIDATE THAT, UM, I HEARD THAT. 
          WE'LL, WE'RE ASKING FOR THE NEXT 60 DAYS, UM, FOR OUR MARINE PATROL STAFF TO START MAKING OBSERVATIONS, UM, AND, AND COLLECT SOME INFORMATION AND REPORT TO US IN OUR DECEMBER MAC MEETING, UH, AS TO WHAT OUR NEXT BEST ACTION IS TO TAKE. 
          CAN I RECOMMEND AN EXTENSION OF THAT TIMELINE? UH, JUST, THERE'LL PROBABLY BE MORE TIME TO GET A, A SOLID. 
          I THINK I'D LIKE THEM TO COME BACK IN DECEMBER THOUGH. 
          AND EVEN IF THEY REALIZE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH DATA TO GET A REPORT, UM, BEFORE WE PURSUE A CHANGE IN THE MUNICIPAL CODE OR ANYTHING ELSE, UM, CAN WE HAVE A SECOND TO THAT? WE'LL GET A BASELINE THAT, IS THERE ANYONE WHO CAN SECOND MY MOTION? SECOND? OKAY. 
          UH, AND THEN ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? WE KIND OF CAPTURED EVERYTHING. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          OPPOSED? OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD REPORT. 
          THANK YOU GENTLEMEN FOR ALL COMING AND SPEAKING TO IT. 
          THANK YOU FOR THOSE THAT YOU HAVE COME TO YOUR WORDS OF WISDOM. 
          REMARKABLY HELPFUL. 
          OH BOY. 
          I WILL NOW ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO RECEIVE THE MANAGER'S MONTHLY ORAL REPORT. 
          SO MOVED. 
          SECOND. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, AND PLEASE NOTE THAT WE LOST, UM, COMMISSIONER CARLIN. 
          UH, MADAM SECRETARY, DO WE STILL HAVE A QUORUM PRESENT? WE DO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, WE'LL START A MANAGEMENT REPORT WITH, UH, RAIN OPERATIONS SUPERINTENDENT BRIAN PLAN. 
          WOW. 
          GETTING USED TO  POWER FACETIME PLAN, HUH? THIS ONE. 
          I'LL BE WAY MORE FUN TO TALK ABOUT. 
          UM, ALL RIGHT. 
          SO, UH, JUST BRIEFLY TOUCH ON OCCUPANCY. 
          UM, I BELIEVE WE ALREADY, WE SPOKE ABOUT MARKET SURVEYS. 
          SO, UM, OCCUPANCY RIGHT NOW, UH, BETWEEN THE TWO MARINA THREE MARINAS IS 93.51%, UM, LABOR DAY WEEKEND. 
          SO WE HAD A VERY SUCCESSFUL, UH, WEEKEND OUT HERE IN  BAY. 
          UM, BIG BANG ON THE BAY HAPPENED ON, UH, SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 1ST. 
          IT WAS A CROWD OF ABOUT 800 PEOPLE. 
          UM, IT WENT VERY SMOOTHLY DOWN THERE. 
          UM, AND THEY, IT BROUGHT A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT ON LABOR DAY THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN IN YEARS PAST, UM, TO KIND OF EMPHASIZE THAT POINT. 
          UM, LAUNCH RAMP FEES, UH, IN ALAMEDA BAY OR? YEAH, IN ALAMEDA BAY FOR THE WEEKEND PROCEEDING. 
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UM, LABOR DAY WEEKEND WAS 11,400, $400. 
          THIS, THIS, THIS YEAR, UH, LABOR DAY WEEKEND, BIG BANG ON THE BAY, $17,916. 
          SO BIG INCREASE ON BOATS OUT IN THE WATER. 
          UM, AND THAT WASN'T JUST, UH, LIKE AN OFF, OFF THING. 
          UH, I LOOKED AT LAST YEAR'S LABOR DAY NUMBERS AS WELL, AND THAT WAS AT 11,400. 
          SO A LOT MORE BOATERS OUT IN THE WATER. 
          UM, ENJOYING ENJOYING THE FESTIVITIES. 
          UM, I WANTED TO ALSO PLUG COASTAL CLEANUP DAY IS COMING UP. 
          SO NEXT, NOT THIS SATURDAY, NEXT SATURDAY THE 21ST, THERE'S GONNA BE ACTIVATIONS ALL OVER THE CITY. 
          ONE PARTICULAR ONE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT IS THE BELMONT PIER LOCATION. 
          UM, WE ARE TEAMING UP WITH, UH, WE, THE MARINE BUREAU, UM, ARE TEAMING UP WITH, ACCORDING TO PACIFIC AND THE NATURE CENTER. 
          AND WE ARE ROLLING OUT A FUN NEW PROJECT. 
          UH, WE'LL USE SOME PICTURES SO YOU CAN SEE IT. 
          UM, SOME CLEANUP TECH, UH, IN, IN OUR FOOTPRINT. 
          SO WE ARE GONNA HAVE A YOUTH ART CONTEST AND NAMING CONTEST FOR THIS LITTLE ROBOTIC CREATURE. 
          IT'S CALLED THE JELLYFISH BOT. 
          OH, YEAH, SORRY, I THOUGHT YOU WERE PASSING . 
          I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WERE DIFFERENT PHOTOS. 
          UM, SO WE ARE GONNA KICK THIS, UH, THIS CONTEST, UH, NAMING AND DESIGN CONTEST OFF. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE GRAPHICS INSTALLED ON THIS BOT, UM, THAT THE KIDS ARE GONNA MAKE. 
          SO IT IS GONNA KICK OFF ON THE 21ST. 
          UH, WE'RE GONNA PUSH IT OUT THROUGH OUR SOCIAL MEDIA CHANNELS, UH, REACH OUT TO LOCAL SCHOOLS, UH, AND THEN HAVE AN AWARD CEREMONY LATER THIS YEAR TO HAVE IT NAMED, UH, HAVE GRAPHICS PUT ON, AND REALLY TRY TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY IN THIS TRASH  PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE IN OUR WATERWAYS. 
          UM, THIS IS NOT GONNA SOLVE THE PROBLEM, LIKE, YOU KNOW, JUST BY THE AMOUNT THAT IT PICKS UP. 
          IT'S GONNA BE A GREAT TOOL FOR US TO GET IN HARD REACH AREAS. 
          UM, BUT IT IS GONNA ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY, UH, AND CREATE AN EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITY, UH, STEM WORKSHOPS, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE AQUARIUM TO GET PEOPLE INVOLVED IN A MUCH NEEDED SECTOR. 
          OKAY. 
          HOW BIG IS THIS THING? UM, UH, LIKE, LIKE TWO CHAIRS. 
          LIKE TWO CHAIRS, LIKE, LIKE TWO CHAIRS BY TWO CHAIRS. 
          SO IT CAN, WITHIN A SINGLE, LIKE BATTERY CHARGE, YOU CAN TAKE ABOUT A HUNDRED POUNDS OF TRASH OUT IN A MISSION. 
          UM, AND IT HAS AUTONOMOUS FEATURES. 
          YOU CAN CREATE A GEO-FENCED AREA. 
          IT CAN SET UP, HAS, UH, LIDAR, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, DETECTION, SO LIKE COLLISION AVOIDANCE. 
          SO I'M, I'M REALLY EXCITED TO BRING THIS TO THE KIDS AND LIKE GET, GET THEM INVOLVED, UM, DOWN IN LIKE, SEEING THE PROBLEM BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN TURN IT OFF AT THE TAP THAT THAT'S WHERE IT'S GONNA MAKE THE MOST DIFFERENCE. 
          CAN I, UM, RECOMMEND THAT YOU CONNECT WITH THE JUNIOR LIFE THIRD PROGRAM IN THE CITY ABOUT YES, DEFINITELY PUSHING OUT THIS, UM, EVENT. 
          'CAUSE IT SEEMS REALLY COOL. 
          YEAH, YEAH, OF COURSE. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT. 
          SORRY. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          NO QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FOR BRIAN? OKAY. 
          I THINK WE PUT A BEFORE , YOU WANNA GO INCREMENTALLY BY? YEAH. 
          UH, NEXT WILL BE KELLY ARMSTRONG BEACH MINUTES. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON AGAIN. 
          UH, JUST A COUPLE OF, UH, QUICK UPDATES FROM BEACH MAINTENANCE. 
          UM, OUR CREW, UH, WORKED LAST MONTH, UH, IN THE COORDINATION WITH SEVERAL OTHER DEPARTMENTS, UH, WITHIN THE CITY TO, UM, MOVE A, A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF SAND TO THE PENINSULA BEACH, UM, THAT WAS IN RESPONSE TO, UH, AN EXPECTED, UH, HIGH WAVE EVENT. 
          UH, FORTUNATELY THAT EVENT KIND OF SUBSIDED, UM, UH, AND WE DIDN'T SEE SOME OF THOSE BIGGER WAVES THAT, UH, WE WERE FORECASTING, UH, WHICH WAS, UH, GOOD NEWS BECAUSE WE RETAINED THAT SAND ON THE BEACH. 
          UH, UH, FOR NOW AT LEAST. 
          UH, BEACH MAINTENANCE ALSO WORKED, UH, LAST MONTH TO, UM, UH, A COMPANY THAT WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BE PURCHASING A, A SAND CLEANER FROM NEXT YEAR. 
          SO WE HAVE THEM COME OUT. 
          UH, THEY'VE INVITED OTHER BEACH CITIES TO, UH, ALSO COME OUT AND LOOK AT THE EQUIPMENT. 
          UH, IT'S FROM A MANUFACTURER CALLED BEACH TECH. 
          UM, SO WE WERE EXCITED TO SEE THAT, UH, PIECE OF EQUIPMENT AND HOPE TO WORK NEXT YEAR ON, UH, PROCUREMENT AND, UM, AND PUTTING THAT INTO OUR, UH, FLEET OF, UH, MACHINES THAT, UH, ASSIST WITH CLEANING SAND. 
          UM, AUGUST NUMBERS ARE 123 TONS OF TRASH AND DEBRIS, BRINGING OUR TOTAL UP TO ABOUT 1800, UH, TONS THIS FISCAL YEAR. 
          UM, AND THEN, UH, BEACH MAINTENANCE ALSO PURCHASED AND DEPLOYED SOME NEW TRASH CANS AT VARIOUS SITES. 
          UH, THE NEW OCEAN CORE CANS ARE, UH, HIGHER CAPACITY AND WE'RE CONTINUING TO MOVE THOSE OUT TO, UH, ADDITIONAL SITES, 
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UH, THAT WE SERVICE FOR TRASH. 
          UH, OUR QUEENSWAY BAY DIVISION COMPLETED, UH, ADDITIONAL WORK. 
          WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THESE SECURITY GATES IN RAINBOW HARBOR FOR PAST COUPLE OF MONTHS. 
          UH, WE JUST COMPLETED THE LAST KIND OF ACTS, UH, ASPECT OF THAT PROJECT, WHICH IS INSTALLING, UH, NOX BOXES FOR FIRE DEPARTMENT PERSONNEL IF THEY NEED, REQUIRE EMERGENCY SERVICES OR ONTO THE DOCK. 
          THOSE ARE NOW INSTALLED ON ALL OF THOSE GATES. 
          UM, OUR GROUNDS DIVISION HAS HAD A BUSY MONTH. 
          UM, THEY'RE CONTINUING THEIR WORK WITH OUR, UH, HOMELESS CLEANUP AND COORDINATION WITH, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          WE'VE UPPED THAT, UM, IN SEPTEMBER. 
          NOW. 
          WE'RE DOING IT TWICE A WEEK ON TUESDAYS AND SATURDAYS, UH, AS A KIND OF COORDINATED EFFORT TO, UH, ALLEVIATE SOME OF THOSE ISSUES ALONG THE, THE BEACH FRONT. 
          UM, AND WE WILL, UH, OUR GROUND DIVISION IS ALSO CONTINUING THEIR WORK WITH WATER DEPARTMENT, UM, FOR OCEAN FRIENDLY, UH, GARDEN UH, PROJECTS, UH, WITHIN OUR MARINE BUREAU. 
          UH, I HOPE TO HAVE A MEMBER FROM THE LONG BEACH WATER DEPARTMENT, UH, AND, AND SURF RIDER, UH, COME OUT TO OUR NEXT, UH, MAC MEETING. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THEY'LL DO A PRESENTATION. 
          UM, THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I KNOW THAT THE MAYOR ESTABLISHED LIKE PRIORITY AREAS, UM, TO SORT OF MONITOR FOR UNHOUSED RESIDENTS. 
          HAVE YOU SEEN AN UPTICK OF RES UH, UNHOUSED RESIDENTS ON THE BEACH SINCE THAT PAST? YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF OUR NUMBERS, UM, IF WE, IF WE LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS AS, AS KIND OF AN UPTICK OR MM-HMM. 
          , IT'S DEFINITELY BEEN A VERY BUSY SUMMER SEASON. 
          WE SEE A LOT OF ADDITIONAL, UM, MEMBERS OF THE HOMELESS COMMUNITY KIND OF RETREAT TO THE BEACH DURING THE SUMMER. 
          SO IT'S ALWAYS BEEN KIND OF BUSIER, UH, DURING ESPECIALLY THE HOTTER MONTHS WITH MORE USAGE OF THE, THE BEACH. 
          UM, WE HAVE WORKED WITH PD, UH, TO UP OUR CLEANUPS TO TWICE A WEEK IN RESPONSE TO SOME OF THOSE HIGHER NUMBERS. 
          I JUST, I'M NOT SURE IF THEY'RE A SPECIFIC NUMBER TO GIVE YOU, BUT YES, I WOULD SAY I WOULD AGREE THAT IT'S BEEN, UH, BUSIER IN THE PAST COUPLE MONTHS AGO. 
          GOT IT. 
          UM, I NOTICED IN THE REPORT, UM, YOU HAVE A PICTURE OF THAT GATE THAT'S IN THE GUAR BEACH PARKING LOT. 
          UM, WHAT, WHAT ARE THE HOURS THAT IT CLOSES? I'M NOT SURE I WOULD DEFER TO CORY. 
          I THINK THAT WAS IN HIS REPORT. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          10:00 PM IT CLOSES WITH A LOT. 
          UH, WE'RE STILL, WE WE HELPED OUT PUBLIC WORKS YEAH. 
          TO, TO IMPLEMENT THE SWING ARM. 
          RIGHT. 
          UH, THEY'RE PUTTING IN THE TIGER TEETH AND THE CENTER BALL AND LOCK LOCK, UH, MECHANISM. 
          SO ONCE THE TIGER TEETH AND THE CENTER BALLER IS IN, THAT'LL BE ABLE TO LOCK AT 10:00 PM AND THEY ONLY ONLY IS OUT ACCESS. 
          YEAH. 
          EGRESS. 
          SO. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND THEN I NOTICED THERE WAS A SPEED BUMP LIKE AT THE TOP. 
          ARE YOU GUYS PLANNING ON PUTTING A SPEED BUMP LIKE CLOSER TO THE BOTTOM AT ALL? LIKE AT THE BOTTOM BY THE GATE? NOT THAT I'M AWARE. 
          NO. 
          NO, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA. 
          UM, MOST OF THE SPEEDING IS GOING DOWN THE HILL. 
          UM, I KNOW IT WOULD BE DANGEROUS TO THE SKATEBOARDERS THAT LIKE TO GO DOWN THE HILL. 
          UM, BUT I DO NOTICE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE CROSSWALK RIGHT THERE AND A LOT OF BIKERS THAT DON'T STOP AT THAT INTERSECTION, IT COULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE A SPEED BUMP GOING THE OTHER WAY TOO. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, THAT CONCLUDES MANAGER REPORT. 
          I'M GONNA SEED MY TIME TO THE NEXT, UH, UNLESS THERE'S QUESTIONS FOR THE MANAGER. 
          UM, SOMETIME WE AREN'T ALWAYS APPRECIATIVE OF ALL THE THINGS THAT OUR MARINE BUREAU DOES AND THE SCOPE OF WORK. 
          AND, UH, ONE OF THE RESIDENTS ALONG THAT OCEAN THAT'S ALWAYS LOOKING AT THE, UH, SAND HAD TO GET A, A WINDOW PUT IN. 
          AND, UH, IT WAS A, A DIFFICULT PROCESS GOING THROUGH COASTAL COMMISSION AND EVERYTHING, BUT THEY DEFINITELY CALLED OUT THE MARINE BUREAU FOR BEING, UM, AN AGENCY THAT WAS EASY TO WORK AT WITH AND VERY EFFICIENT. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, KUDOS ALL THE TIME TO, TO THE WORK YOU DO. 
          UM, AND THEN THAT'S A NICE LITTLE TRANSITION ONTO OUR COMMITTEE REPORTS, UM, WITH FIRST ONE BEING THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE AND, UH, CHRISTINA, OUR, UH, DUGAN, OUR THIRD DISTRICT COUNCILWOMAN JOINED US FOR THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE MEETING. 
          AND SHE TOO, UM, DID NOT COMPLETELY APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT'S DONE BY THE MARINE BUREAU AND, UM, AND ALL THE DUE DILIGENCE THAT'S DONE BY US AS COMMISSIONERS. 
          SO THAT WAS A GOOD REFLECTION ON THINGS. 
          AND OF COURSE, THAT'S WHERE WE, 
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UH, FORMULATED OUR, UH, OUR AGENDA FOR TODAY. 
          AND THEN WE HAD, UM, THE TIDELANDS COMMITTEE RNA. 
          IS THERE ANYTHING SPECIFIC YOU WANNA SHARE WITH THAT REPORT? UM, NO, IT JUST BROAD STROKES, CHARLENE, UM, FROM, UH, PUBLIC WORKS, I BELIEVE, UM, SHARED, UH, PRESENTATION OF, UH, CAPITAL PROJECTS IN THE TIDELAND ZONE, UH, SUBJECT TO, UM, THE MARINE ADVISORY COMMISSIONS, UM, GEOGRAPHIC AREA, TIDELANDS, UH, THE COLORADO OPEN CHANNEL PROJECT IS MOVING AHEAD. 
          UM, THERE IS A, UM,  SPORTS COURT PROJECT, WHICH IS NOW OPENING, AND IT WILL BE, UM, APPARENTLY THE SUBJECT OF A GREAT PARTY ON SATURDAY THE 14TH AT 11 O'CLOCK. 
          THE MAYOR WILL BE THERE, BRENT DENNIS WILL BE THERE. 
          AND, UH, SOMETHING TO CELEBRATE. 
          UM, WE ALSO HAVE A DAVIES BOAT LAUNCH RAMP UPDATE HAPPENING. 
          WE HAVE THE MARINA GREEN PARKING LOT UPDATE. 
          WE HAD A PRIDE TOWER PLACE MAKING NODE UPDATE, AND WE HAD AN UPDATE ON THE ALAMEDA BAY WATER QUALITY ENHANCEMENT PROJECT. 
          ALSO THE ALAMEDA BAY ENTRANCE CHANNEL DREDGE AND PERMITTING PROCESS. 
          UH, COMMISSIONERS JUST TO, UH, TACK ONTO THAT, UM, YOU MIGHT HAVE BEEN NOTICING MY TEAMS POPPING UP THERE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UH, JUST GOT WORD. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE THAT SATURDAY EVENT FOR AN EMPER OF SPORT COURT IS BEING DELAYED POSTPONED. 
          SO JUST FFY. 
          I WELL, IT LOOKS LIKE IT AS YOU DRIVE BY IT LOOKS LIKE, AH, YOU GUYS GONNA MAKE IT. 
          SO JUST FYI THAT'S, THAT'S THE WORD WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. 
          SO JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE FOR YOU JUST TO, IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS GOING TO BE DELAYED. 
          AND THERE ARE, I'M SORRY, TWO OTHER PROJECTS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP IN OUR PRESENTATION. 
          THE BELMONT BEACH AQUATIC CENTER IS MOVING AHEAD. 
          THEY'RE STARTING TO DO SOME BIDS AND, UH, THE WRINKLE CURB AND PATHWAY REPAIR AND PUMP REPLACING PROJECT IS ALSO PART OF THE CAPITAL, UM, TABLETS IMPROVEMENT, UM, UH, PROJECTS. 
          AND THAT'S MY REPORT. 
          ANYTHING ON THE AD HOC COMMITTEE ON THE BLUFFS? UH, I DON'T BELIEVE YOU'VE HAD ANY ACTION ON THAT. 
          NO, NOTHING. 
          SO NOTHING NEW AND CHRISTMAS TREES IN THE BAY. 
          UH, BRUCE MCRAY AND I MET WITH OUR NEW EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF PARTNERS IN PARKS AND IT'S, UM, A FRESH SET OF EYES ONTO A PROJECT AND, UH, WITH GREAT ENTHUSIASM, WE'RE GONNA START LOOKING FOR COMMUNITY SUPPORT FOR, UM, SOMEBODY HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN UNFUNDED, UM, TREES IN THE BAY. 
          IT'LL BE THEIR 75TH ANNIVERSARY THAT THOSE TREES HAVE BEEN OUT THERE. 
          GEEZ. 
          UH, AND IT'S AN EXCITING MILESTONE AND WE'RE LOOKING TO, UM, START WORKING AFTER LONG BEACH GIVES. 
          SO WE'LL BE LAUNCHING SOMETHING IN A, A COUPLE WEEKS BEFORE WE GET CLOSER TO THAT. 
          UM, AND WE ALSO LOOKED THAT THERE WAS A BUDGET REQUEST ITEM IN THE APPROVED BUDGET OF ANOTHER 380 5K FOR THOSE TREES. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA LOOK TO MITIGATE THOSE COSTS BY GETTING DONATIONS, UM, AND ACTIVELY WORKING ON THAT. 
          AND WE'LL SEE SOME, SEE SOME GOOD PROMOTIONS ON THOSE FOR THEIR OTHER COMMITTEES. 
          YES. 
          THE MARINE MARINE ADVISORY COMMISSION, UH, SUBCOMMITTEE ON, UM, THE 1938 SURFING, UH, HISTORIC C OF INTEREST. 
          I'M GONNA REFER TO IT AS THE HPOI FOR EASY EASE OF REFERENCE. 
          WE HAD A ZOOM MEETING WITH, UH, ALEJANDRO PLACENCIA, THE CITY OF LONG BEACH HISTORIC PLANNER, WHO GOT US THROUGH A COUPLE OF, UH,  OF INFORMATION ABOUT THE CITY'S, UM, OFFICIAL, UH, INVOLVEMENT IN THE RECOGNITION OF THE 1938 SURFING, UH, HISTORIC POINT OF INTEREST, WHICH THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA OFFICIALLY RECOGNIZED IN APRIL. 
          UM, WE'VE BEEN GIVEN SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION THAT WILL HELP US MOVE AHEAD IN SOME WAYS. 
          UM, HE HAS SUGGESTED THAT WE SPEAK TO PEOPLE IN PUBLIC WORKS SINCE HE'S, UH, PREPARED TO ACT AS A COORDINATOR, BUT HE'S NOT A DECISION MAKER. 
          SO, UM, HE REFERRED THE QUESTION TO OUR, UM, MARINE ADVISORY COMMISSION LIAISON TO SPEAK TO SOMEONE IN THE CITY OF LONG BEACH PUBLIC WORKS BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES INVOLVED WITH THE PUBLIC OFFICIAL THE RIGHT AWAY MARKER, WHATEVER. 
          UH, ALSO LONG BEACH, UM, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO I'LL BE, WE'LL BE COMING BACK TO YOU IN, UM, THOSE TWO ASPECTS OF THIS PREVIOUS WORK. 
          AND, UM, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO, UM, SETTING UP, NOW THAT WE HAVE SOME SORT OF OFFICIAL UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE CITY'S PREPARED TO DO, WE'LL 
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BE MOVING AHEAD WITH THE MARINE ADVISORY COMMISSION SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING ALONG WITH OUR TWO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC  FOUNDATION, UH, REPRESENTATIVE AND BRUCE, UH, BRYCE LEE, OUR HISTORIAN AND  REPRESENTATIVE. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE FUTURE, THAT CONCLUDES COMMITTEE REPORTS ONTO ITEM EIGHT. 
          UM, WE, I PUT MOTION, I DID NOT MOTION ON EITHER THE LAST TWO ON THE REPORTS. 
          WE DIDN'T CLOSE OUT ON THOSE, THE MANAGERS AS WELL AS THE, UM, SO MADE BLANK PUT THOSE TOGETHER WITH COMMITTEE REPORTS AND MANAGEMENT REPORTS THAT, UM, WE'VE REVIEWED THOSE AND, UM, ALL IN FAVOR OF RECEIVING AND FILING THOSE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          POST. 
          UM, AND NOW I'LL ENTERTAIN MOTION ON ITEM EIGHT ABOUT, UM, A DISCUSSION REGARDING OUR REGULAR MEETING TIME AND DATE AS IT COMES TO THE BYLAWS. 
          SOMEONE MOVE THAT. 
          SO MOVE. 
          SO MOVED. 
          AND SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, MR. LELAND, DID YOU HAVE A GENERAL REPORT ABOUT WHAT OUR, OUR BYLAWS REQUIRE? UH, STANDARD IS YOUR BYLAWS STATE THAT YOU ARE TO MEET AT TWO 30 ON THE SECOND THURSDAY OF THE MONTH. 
          UH, YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO DISCUSS AND CHANGE YOUR BYLAWS AT YOUR DISCRETION. 
          UH, BUT IT DOES HAVE TO BE A AGENDA CONVERSATION, AND YOU DO HAVE TO VOTE, YOU HAVE TO MOTION SECOND. 
          UH, THERE HAD BEEN DISCUSSION ABOUT, UM, ABOUT QUARTERLY THAT WE'D HAVE EVENING MEETINGS WHEN IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS OF GENERAL INTEREST, UM, TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC THAT THEY COULDN'T ALWAYS ATTEND. 
          UM, THERE'S THAT, AND THEN WE WANNA BALANCE IT WITH GIVING ENOUGH ADVANCE NOTICE THAT IT WOULD BE NICE AT THE CLOSING OF ONE MEETING TO BE ABLE TO ANNOUNCE WHERE AND WHEN THE FOLLOWING MEETING IS. 
          UH, SO THERE'D BEEN SUGGESTIONS THAT MAYBE WE SHOULD PRE-PLAN, UH, QUARTERLY MEETINGS THAT ARE IN A VENUE THAT COULD ACCOMMODATE AND THEN MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE COLLECTED THE AGENDA ITEMS OF MOST PUBLIC INTEREST. 
          ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? I THINK THAT'S A, A GREAT WAY TO, UH, MAKE MARINE ADVISORY COMMISSION MEETINGS MORE ACCESSIBLE TO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO HAVE AN INTEREST IN THE SUBJECTS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING, BUT WHO UNFORTUNATELY ARE NOT AVAILABLE OR, UM, ABLE TO ATTEND A MEETING IN THE MIDDLE OF A WORKDAY AFTERNOON. 
          AND DIDN'T YOU DO SOME CHECKING ABOUT OTHER COMMISSIONS? I DID. 
          AND, UM, IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING, UM, THAT, UH, AFTER SORT OF COMPILING, UH, AN EXCEL SPREADSHEET OF ALL THE CURRENT BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT THE CITY NOW HAS POPULATED WITH VOLUNTEER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, UM, THE MARINE ADVISORY COMMISSION MEETING AT TWO 30 IN THE AFTERNOON IS, UM, ABOUT THREE QUARTERS OF THE MEETINGS OF THE, UM, BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS IN THE CITY OF LONG BEACH. 
          UM, WE'RE, WE'RE PROBABLY, UM, LATER IN THE DAY, UM, THERE ARE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT MEET IN THE MORNINGS AND THEN OTHERS THAT MEET IN THE EVENINGS. 
          UM, THE OBJECTIVE OF MOVING A MEETING TIME TOWARD LATER IN THE AFTERNOON MIGHT BE A WAY OF FACILITATING VOLUNTEERS WHO ARE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN A MEETING AT FOUR O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON OR THREE 30 IN THE AFTERNOON, AND, UH, ENSURE THAT WE HAVE, UH, COMMISSIONERS ON THE MARINE ADVISORY COMMISSION WHO ARE AVAILABLE. 
          UM, IT'S NOT ALWAYS, UM, EASY FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE DAY JOBS TO MAKE THE MEETING TIME AT TWO 30. 
          ANY DISCUSSION FROM INSURANCE? I HAVE A COMMENT. 
          YEAH. 
          I ATTEND. 
          I TEND TO AGREE AND THEN ESPECIALLY, UM, REGARDING MEETINGS WHERE WE'RE DISCUSSING FEES,  AND INCREASING AND OR NOT, UH, INCREASING FEES. 
          I THINK THOSE ARE MEETINGS WHERE IT SHOULD ABSOLUTELY BE ACCESSIBLE TO MORE GO OWNERS AND, AND THAT MAY, UM, BE IN THE EVENING. 
          AND THEN ALSO AS WE DISCUSSED, ELEVATE 28 AND ALL THE OLYMPICS AND THINGS COMING UP. 
          UM, THOSE ARE GONNA BE TOPICS WHERE I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD ABSOLUTELY TRY TO, UH, GARNER MORE OPINIONS AND MAKE OUR OPINION, OUR MEETINGS MORE ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC. 
          WHAT ABOUT ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC? ANY OPPORTUNITIES FOR REMOTE ACCESS REALLY PUT A LOT OF LIMITATIONS 
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ON OUR, UM, ON OUR MEETINGS. 
          A LOT OF FLOW DOWN THAT COMES FROM THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE ABOUT CALLING IN, UM, VIA ZOOM OR PRESENTING THINGS SO FOLKS COULD LISTEN TO THINGS REMOTELY, UM, HAS NOT BEEN SUCCESSFUL. 
          NOT THAT WE HAVEN'T TRIED. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , AREN'T CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS AVAILABLE REMOTELY? YES. 
          CALL IN WITH COMMENT ON THOSE. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT, UM, EVIDENTLY NOT FOR COMMISSIONS BECAUSE MEETINGS, MEETINGS CAN BE REMOTE, BUT MOST COMMISSIONS DON'T HAVE THE AUDIO VISUAL RESOURCES TO MAINTAIN THAT ON A CONSISTENT BASIS WHERE YOU, YOU'RE REQUIRED BY STATE LAW AND COUNTY ELECTION LAWS TO PROVIDE A PORTAL THAT IS ACCESSIBLE TO ALL WHERE AT CITY COUNCIL, AT CITY HALL, THE CITY DOES HAVE THOSE RESOURCES, BUT MOST COMMISSIONS DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES IN THEIR LOCALES FOR THEIR MEETINGS. 
          UM, I THINK WHAT WHAT I'M HEARING IS MAYBE WE CAN AMEND THE MOTION TO HONOR OUR DISCUSSION, UM, TO MAKE OUR NOVEMBER MEETING THE SAME STATUS QUO SO WE CAN GIVE ENOUGH ADVANCE NOTICE THAT THAT WOULD BE HERE AT THE SAME TIME. 
          UM, OUR OCTOBER, OCTOBER, OCTOBER, OCTOBER MM-HMM. 
           AND THEN MAKE OUR NOVEMBER MEETING POSSIBLY, UM, EVENING, UM, CONTINGENT UPON FINDING A SUITABLE VENUE. 
          UM, AND HAVE ONE OF THE AGENDA ITEMS BE A STATUS ON THE, UM, THE OLYMPIC VENUES THAT ARE WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE MAC. 
          I WOULD SECOND THAT MOTION. 
          YEAH. 
          I SECOND. 
          SO ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? GENERAL PUBLIC. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'LL CALL ALL IN FAVOR OF THE, WELL WE, WE'VE, UH, HAD THE DISCUSSION, SO I THINK WE'LL KIND OF LINK THOSE TOGETHER WITH BOTH THE RECOMMENDATION AS WELL AS THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          MAY OPPOSED ABSTENTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          WE FOLLOW THOSE THROUGH. 
          THAT LEAVES US TO, UM, OUR ANNOUNCEMENTS. 
          UH, WE HAVE A COMMITTEE MEETING ON OCTOBER 3RD OF THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE IN THE, UM, ALAMEDA BAY MARINA OFFICE. 
          AND WE HAVE A MEETING OF THE FINANCE COMMITTEE ON THE 10TH, AND OUR NEXT MARINE ADVISORY MEETING WILL ALSO BE ON THE 10TH PURSUANT TO OUR NEW MOTION. 
          UM, TWO 30 AT LBYC. 
          ARE THERE ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS FOR THE GENERAL GOOD? YES, YES. 
          MADAM CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MENTION, UH, FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC AND AS WELL AS THE MAR ADVISORY COMMISSION, UH, MEMBERS IN THE SEPTEMBER OCTOBER MARINA READER, THE MARINA COMMUNITY AND CITY LEADERS WILL BE HOLDING A MEETING ON OCTOBER 9TH, 2024 FOR, UM, FOLKS TO TALK ABOUT NEW HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS, UM, IMPACTING THE MARINA AREA SAFETY AND SECURITY OF THE MARINAS, AS WELL AS THE ALAMEDA BAY PARKING LOT. 
          AND WHAT'S NEXT? UH, OUR ESTEEMED, UH, MARINE BUREAU MANAGER WILL BE A GUEST SPEAKER BRIAN PLANT AS WELL. 
          AND CHRISTINA DUGGAN FROM THE THIRD DISTRICT WILL ALSO BE SPEAKING. 
          UM, IT IS BEING HOSTED BY THE SEAL BEACH YACHT CLUB AND APPARENTLY ONE OF THEIR EVENTS, BUT THERE IS AN RSVP THAT APPEARS TO THE MARINA READER FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO PARTICIPATE. 
          AND I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT THING, ALTHOUGH, UH, MARINE ADVISORY COMMISSIONERS CAN ATTEND, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO MISS ONE ANOTHER BASED ON BROWN ACT REQUIREMENTS. 
          AS LONG AS YOU DON'T TALK OR THE NOTION IS YOU CAN ALL GO AND ATTEND, IT'S JUST YOU CANNOT SPEAK ON, WELL, AS A WHOLE, ALL THINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON ON HERE. 
          TRUE. 
          WOULDN'T WANT TO SPEAK TO ONE ANOTHER ON BUSINESS ISSUES OUTSIDE OF THE MARINE ADVISORY COMMISSION. 
          SO BRINGING THAT OUT, UH, AS A PUBLIC EFFORT, UM, TO HELP DEFINITELY VOTE ASSOCIATION. 
          YES. 
          YES. 
          THAT'S COOL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, I'M A GREAT FAN OF NEWSPAPERS.COM AND ONE OF OF MY FAVORITE ARTICLES THAT I CAME ACROSS THIS, UM, MONTH WAS ONE THAT RAN BACK IN THE SIXTIES, WHICH WAS COMMENDING THE MAR ADVISORY COMMISSION FOR BEING A DIVERSIFIED GROUP. 
          AND THEN IT LISTED THE MEMBERS WHO WERE ALL WHITE MALES WHO LIVED EITHER IN VIRGINIA COUNTRY CLUB OR NAPLES, AND ALL OWNED BOATS THAT THEY KEPT IN THE MARINA. 
          SO, UM, TO THE WOMEN THAT ARE SITTING UP FRONT 
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HERE, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE CHANGE YOU'VE BEEN A PART OF IN VOLUNTEERING ALL YOUR TIME. 
          AND WITH MILK FOR THEIR BUSINESS. 
          WE'LL, ADJOURN.
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