* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. OH, WELL I [00:00:01] DIDN'T WANNA INTERRUPT. I THOUGHT YOU GUYS WERE OH YEAH. THANK YOU. OBJECT. SARAH. LET'S, LET'S CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. AND I'M GOING TO ASK, UM, FOR A MOTION TO, I THINK I NEED TO DO THIS TO ACCEPT, UH, THE MEETING MINUTES FROM OUR LAST POLICY. IS THAT RIGHT? I'LL JUST DO ROLL CALL REAL QUICK. OKAY. UH, JULIE LEE HERE. SARAH PETTY. HERE. PAM TI HERE. UH, KIMBERLY LEWIS. ABSENT. DOUG LIA PRESENT. OKAY. WE ARE GOOD. WE HAVE, THANK YOU. UM, SO I, I AM LOOKING FOR A MOTION, A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR THE POLICY SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING OF MONDAY, AUGUST 12TH, 2024. SO MOVED. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY. UM, SECOND ITEM ON THE AGENDA. THANK YOU. UM, SO RECOMMENDATION TO DISCUSS THE MEMORANDUM DATED AUGUST 12TH, 2024, TITLED CITY RESPONSE TO GRANTS PASS VERSUS JOHNSON DECISION PRESENTED AT THE HOMELESS SERVICES ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 4TH, 2024. DO WE NEED TO PASS THIS BEFORE WE DISCUSS IT OR CAN WE HAVE DISCUSSION AND THEN DO THE MOTION TO, WELL, YOU WOULD DO A MOTION AND THEN YOU HAVE A DISCUSSION. I SUPPOSE IF YOU DON'T WANNA CONTINUE WITH THE MOTION, THEN YOU WOULD JUST OKAY. OR YOU WOULDN'T VOTE FOR IT. WHAT IS THE ACTION? UM, SO MOTION TO DISCUSS THE GRANTS PASS. MEMORANDUM. SO MOVED. SECOND. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY. SO, UM, I GUESS TAKING OFF FROM WHAT, WHAT WE WERE DISCUSSING ON WEDNESDAY, I WAS JUST WONDERING IF, IF THERE'S GONNA BE SOMETHING BEYOND THIS MEMO AS A PLAN OF ACTION TO THE 'CAUSE. I, I'VE SEEN THE INCREASED SIGNAGE NOW FOR NO CAMPING AND NO TRESPASSING. SO, UM, I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT THE PLAN OF ACTION IS. CAN I ADD TO THAT A LITTLE BIT? SURE. SO SAME THOUGHTS, UM, AND I WAS ACTUALLY THINKING ABOUT AT THE LAST MEETING, UH, I WAS ASKING PAUL WHERE DO THEY GO? AND I, YOU KNOW, I REALIZED THINKING ABOUT IT, THAT'S REALLY NOT A FAIR QUESTION BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY FOLKS AREN'T BEING INDIVIDUALLY TRACKED. BUT I THINK THESE ACTIONS MIGHT HAVE SECONDARY EFFECTS WHERE THINGS COULD BE TRACKED. FOR INSTANCE, IS IT IMPACTING OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY? ARE WE SEEING HOMELESS CAMPS DEVELOPING IN OTHER LOCATIONS? SO IT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW IF WE'RE SEEING THAT. UM, OR ARE WE, HOW ABOUT THE MOTEL VOUCHER? PRESUMABLY, I ASSUME ALL OF THESE, ALL OF THESE CLIENTS OR INDIVIDUALS ARE BEING OFFERED MOTEL VOUCHERS. ARE WE USING THEM? ARE WE OFFERING THEM? ARE WE, UM, RUNNING OUT OF THEM? UH, AND THEN THE LAST THING I'M TRYING TO THINK ABOUT, WHAT CAN YOU MONITOR? I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE CLEAN SWEEPS PRESENTATION WE HAD. SO, SO THAT IS THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA. BUT RELATED TO THIS, ARE WE, ARE WE SEEING AN INCREASED ACTIVITY OF CLEAN SWEEPS BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE RELOCATING FROM THEIR ENCAMPMENTS TO OTHER AREAS AND THEN CLEAN SWEEPS IS BEING IMPACTED. SO I THINK THAT'S MY, ONE OF MY INTERESTS IS, UM, I UNDERSTAND WE CAN'T TRACK FOLKS WHERE THEY GO AND WE HAVE A PROTOCOL AND WE BE, WE ARE KIND ABOUT IT. BUT THEN ARE THERE THINGS THAT CAN BE LOOKED AT TO GET A SENSE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING? AND PAUL, AT THE LAST MEETING MADE SOME COMMENT ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE END OF THE LINE, THE BLUE LINE ISSUE. AND I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE THAT IS A BIG FACTOR. YOU KNOW, MAYBE IN ALL OF THIS THERE ARE PEOPLE RELOCATING BECAUSE OF THE END OF THE LINE IS NO LONGER HAS GREAT ENCAMPMENT FACILITIES. I, I DON'T KNOW. SO THEN WHAT CAN WE, ME, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN WE MEASURE, MONITOR, UM, THAT WOULD GIVE US A CLUE AS IT AS TO SECONDARY EFFECTS. SO YOU, YOU WANT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT [00:05:01] HOW WE CAN MEASURE THE IMPACT OF THIS NEW POLICY? AND THAT CAN BE OBJECTIVE AND SUBJECT. MM-HMM, . SO ARE WE GETTING MORE NUMBERS OF CALL CONTACTS WITH THE CLEAN SWEEPS? ARE WE SEEING, ARE, ARE WE GETTING REPORTS? ARE THEY SEEING MORE HOMELESS CAMPS, SMALLER HOMELESS CAMPS FORMING IN OTHER LOCATIONS? ARE THE OTHER HOMELESS CAMPS GETTING BIGGER? UM, AND THEN THE MOTEL VOUCHER, UH, WE DIDN'T, I THINK MOTEL VOUCHERS WERE OFFERED AS PART OF THE PROCESS, BUT, UM, I'D LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THAT BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THAT THEY SHOULD ALWAYS BE OFFERED UNLESS THERE'S A DISQUALIFICATION REASON AND THEN PEOPLE CAN ACCEPT OR NOT ACCEPT AND SOME CHOOSE NOT TO ACCEPT. AND THAT'S OKAY. SO THOSE ARE THREE THINGS I WAS, I WAS KIND OF THINKING ABOUT THAT COULD BE MONITORED. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS APPROPRIATE GIVEN THE STRUCTURE OF THE MEETING, BUT MY, MY UM, UNDERSTANDING OF THE MOTEL VOUCHERS IS THAT THOSE ARE AFFILIATED SPECIFICALLY WITH THE FUNDING FROM ENCAMPMENT RESOLUTIONS. AND SO THE ONLY INSTANCES IN WHICH THERE IS A MOTEL VOUCHER AVAILABLE IS FOR THE, I THINK TWO ROUNDS SO FAR OF THAT. AND THE TWO SITES THAT THAT WAS FOR IS, REMIND ME THE NAME OF THE PARK. MACARTHUR. MACARTHUR PARK. AND ALSO MOST RECENTLY THE FUNDING IS FOR AROUND THE LIBRARY. AND SO IF YOU WERE IN THOSE TWO LOCATIONS, YOU MIGHT RECEIVE A MOTEL VOUCHER 'CAUSE THERE WAS STATE FUNDING ALLOCATED FOR THAT. BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS OUTSIDE OF THOSE TWO LOCATIONS IN PROGRAMS, THERE'S NOT A MOTEL VOUCHER. WELL, THERE'S LIMITED. THERE'S LIMITED. THERE ARE MOTEL VOUCHERS, BUT THEY'RE VERY, THEY'RE LIMITED. OKAY. VERY LIMITED. AND PEOPLE ARE NOT OFFERED DURING CLEAN SWEEPS. WELL I WOULD THEN I WOULD BE VERY CURIOUS. SO CLEAN SWEEPS AT TWO LOCATIONS IMPACTED X NUMBER OF PEOPLE, SOME OF WHOM WERE RELOCATED TO THE VAGABOND. AND OF THE REMAINING 60 OR 80 INDIVIDUALS, THEY WERE OFFERED HOTEL VOUCHERS AND 10 OF 'EM ACCEPTED. AND CONVERSELY 70 OF THEM DIDN'T ACCEPT BECAUSE THAT'S AGAIN ANOTHER SUBPOPULATION OF PEOPLE WHO EITHER DON'T WANT HOUSING OR DON'T WANT EXACTLY THE HOUSING THAT'S AVAILABLE. THEY MAY HAVE OTHER THINGS GOING ON, PETS OR OTHER THINGS GOING ON. AND THEN MY LAST COMMENT ABOUT IT IS, UH, GETTING TO JULIE'S INITIAL THING WAS UM, SO TWO SITES HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED OR BEING ADDRESSED, BUT THERE'S ONE IS OVER, ONE IS OVER AND WE HAVE A CURRENT ONE CURRENT OPEN ENCAMPMENT RESOLUTION PROJECT. AND THAT WAS TARGETED AT THE LIBRARY IN AROUND THE LIBRARY AND LINCOLN PARK. BUT THERE'S TWO MORE PRIORITY SITES, RIGHT? OR AM I WRONG? NO, SEE THAT DID NOT HAVE TO DO WITH THIS MEMO. THE ENCAMPMENT RESOLUTION DID NOT HAVE TO DO WITH THIS MEMO. THIS MEMO TARGETED FOUR FOUR AREAS. FOUR AREAS, YES. THAT UM, WHOEVER DESIGNATED A MEMO FELT THEY WERE PRIORITIES. YES. SO THEY ALREADY CLOSED THE COMBINE PARK. OKAY. THAT'S CLOSED. AND THEN VETERANS PARK AND JENNY RIVERA PARK, I DON'T SEE THOSE AS BIG AREAS, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE PLAN IS OVER THERE. SO WHAT'S THE PLAN FOR THOSE TWO SITES? AND THEN WHAT WAS THE FOURTH MONTH? OH, THE LIBRARY. THE LIBRARY. THE LIBRARY. OH THEY DID INCLUDE THE LIBRARY. YEAH, LIBRARY. SO TWO HAVE BEEN, TWO HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED ADDRESS. THERE'S PROBABLY, PROBABLY ABOUT A DOZEN PEOPLE AT THE LIBRARY RIGHT NOW. AND WHICH IS ANOTHER THING WHICH IS FOLLOW UP AFTER, AFTER ONE HAS BEEN ADDRESSED IS THERE'RE GONNA BE ONGOING. WHICH IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE IS, BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO HEAR. PRESUMABLY THEY, IT. 'CAUSE IF YOU, I'VE HEARD IF YOU DON'T CONTINUE TO UH, FOLLOW UP, IT'LL ALL COME BACK. RIGHT. IT COULD BE THAT EVERYBODY WILL COME BACK. SO IF SOME FOLKS ARE COMING BACK, WHAT IS BEING DONE RELATIVE TO THOSE? THE SENSE I GOT FROM PAUL IS THEY'RE BEING ADDRESSED IN A KIND MANNER, BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW, BUT BY BEING ADDRESSED, I THINK FOR THE POINT OF CLARIFICATION IN THIS, IT'S IN ONE OF THE FOUR SITES THERE'S A SOLUTION OR A RESOURCE OFFERED AS FAR AS THE MOTEL VOUCHERS AT THE LIBRARY. BUT THE OTHER THREE, IT'S KIND OF LIKE PLEASE MOVE ALONG. BUT THERE'S NOT AS, I DON'T THINK A SPECIFIC RESOURCE OFFERED OKAY'S LIKE CLARITY. I'D LIKE CLARITY. I MEAN WHY WOULDN'T, COULDN'T WE OFFER COULDN'T? NO, THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH RESOURCES. BUT THERE'S NOT WAIT, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH MOTEL VOUCHERS. CAN I JUST MAKE A DISTINCTION? 'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHERE I WAS GETTING CONFUSED 'CAUSE I'M LIKE, I DON'T REMEMBER MOTEL VOUCHERS BUT WE HAVE A FUNDING CALLED ENCAMPMENT RESOLUTION FUNDING AND THEN THAT'S THE TWO SITES THAT COME WITH MOTEL VOUCHERS. JULIE'S RIGHT IN THAT THE MACARTHUR PARK LOCATION IS NOW, UH, FINISHED. WE DON'T HAVE IT ANYMORE, BUT WE ARE CURRENTLY WITHIN THIS ROUND OF FUNDING, WHICH IS THE BILLIE JEAN KING [00:10:01] AND THIS SURROUNDING AREA. UH, WE ARE APPLYING FOR ANOTHER ROUND OF FUNDING. WE HOPE TO HOPE HEAR BACK WITHIN THE END OF THE YEAR. BUT THE ENCAMPMENT RESOLUTION FUNDING COMES WITH FUNDING. WE HAVE TO APPLY FOR AN APPLICATION AND THEN SECURE A WHOLE PROGRAM WITH IT. WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ENCAMPMENT OR GRANTS PASSED WITHIN THE ENCAMPMENTS, THOSE CURRENTLY THAT I'M AWARE OF ARE NOT TIED WITH ANY FUNDING. SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE DISCUSSION EXCEPT FOR THE LIBRARY, WHICH HAPPENS TO ALSO HAVE THE ENCAMPMENT RESOLUTION. CORRECT. YES. I WAS GONNA SAY THE LIBRARY HAS LIKE THE DOUBLE INTERSECTION. DOUBLE INTERSECTION THERE. SO JUST TO SUMMARIZE MY MOTEL VOUCHERS, I'M NOT CLEAR, ARE WE TOTALLY OUT OF MOTEL VOUCHERS BECAUSE OF THE ACTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN TAKEN? DO WE STILL HAVE MOTEL VOUCHERS? COULD MOTEL VOUCHERS, ARE THEY PLANNING TO BE USED FOR THE OTHER TWO LOCATIONS AND I DON'T KNOW. AND AND IF SO, YES. IF NOT, WHY. AND THERE, THERE ARE CURRENTLY ONLY MOTEL VOUCHERS FOR THE BILLY JEAN AND KING LIBRARY AREA. 'CAUSE THAT WAS ROUND TWO OF THE FUNDING. AND SO I THINK UNTIL THAT KIND OF PROGRAM IS ACTIVE, THERE ARE VOUCHERS TO HELP WITH THAT ENCAMPMENT. BUT THERE'S NO FUNDING FOR MOTEL VOUCHERS. ANYWHERE ELSE IS THERE. THERE'S JUST A FEW, NOT MANY. IT'S VERY LIMITED FUNDING FOR MOTEL VOUCHERS WITHIN OTHER SERVICE PROVIDERS SERVICE. OKAY. SO NOW WERE THE MOTEL VOUCHERS USED FOR VAGABOND? YES. THAT IS THE VAGABOND IS THE MOTEL. OKAY. THAT'S THE FUNDING FOR VAGA? CORRECT. THAT'S A MASTER LEASE THAT'S TIED INTO THE ENCAMPMENT RESOLUTION. OKAY. NOW OBJECT FROM THE STATE TALKING ABOUT THE NEW ROUND OF FUNDING. SO THE NEW ROUND OF FUNDING MIGHT ALSO PROVIDE MORE HOTEL VOUCHERS? CORRECT. WHICH THEN WOULD ALIGN WITH THE TWO REMAINING SITES OR ANY OTHER, IT'S SITE SPECIFIC AND CITY STAFF HAVE APPLIED FOR THE LA RIVER. SO IF THEY GET FUNDED FOR THAT, IT WOULD BE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE ENCAMPED ALONG THE LA RIVER AND VOUCHERS COULD BE OFFERED THERE, BUT IT WOULDN'T APPLY TO THE OTHER SITES. OKAY, THANK YOU. SO HOPEFULLY THAT FUNDING COMES THROUGH. SEEMS LIKELY. I'M HOPEFUL STATE SAID THAT THERE WAS INCREASED SPENDING, SO WE WOULD HOPE TO SEE THAT COME THIS WAY. UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF THE SITUATION OF, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE NOW DISCOURAGED FROM BEING IN THESE AREAS, BUT YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S NOT ANY RESOURCES TO OFFER IS WHERE TO GO IF THEY'RE DISPLACED. UM, SO I TAKE THE SUGGESTION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE IMPACT AND DO WE SEE PEOPLE TURNING UP IN NEW PLACES? DO YOU HAVE FUNNY THOUGHTS? UM, I HAD THE SAME THOUGHT AS JULIE, AS THE SIGNS ARE POPPING UP AND THEN THE CLEAN SWEEPS ARE HAPPENING WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING. AND THEN I DID BRING IT UP ON WEDNESDAY TOO. THE IMPACT OF THIS HAPPENING IN SURROUNDING CITIES THAT ARE ALSO DOING THAT AND PEOPLE JUST NATURALLY COMING TO LONG BEACH BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW, WE DO HAVE SERVICE PROVIDERS HERE, , WE DO HAVE LIKE SOME KIND OF SOMETHING HERE AND THEY'LL HEAR THAT WE'RE HAVING SOME KIND OF SOMETHING, BUT IT'S NOT EVER ENOUGH. SO I FEEL LIKE IT'S GONNA BE INCREASING. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO EXACTLY PUT ANY DATA POINTS ON THERE. LIKE HOW DO WE LOOK AT THOSE DATA POINTS? 'CAUSE LIKE ONCE, LIKE THE BAG OF BOMB IS FULL, LIKE ALL THOSE ROOMS ARE FULL. THAT'S DONE. THEN WE GOT STILL A THOUSAND PEOPLE AT THE LIBRARY. LIKE THEN IT'S LIKE FALLING UNDER THIS TO WHERE WE'RE LIKE MOVE ALONG, BUT THEN THERE'S EXACTLY NOWHERE TO GO. SO WE'RE LIKE, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE BACK TO SQUARE ONE AGAIN. WE'RE JUST BACK TO SQUARE ONE AGAIN BASICALLY. AND, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT DIDN'T HELP ANYTHING AT ALL. WE'RE BACK TO, IT'S, TO ME IT'S SORT OF THIS BALLOON ANALOGY. YOU PUSH ON ONE SIDE OF THE BALLOON AND IT BULGES OUT IN ANOTHER. YES. IS THAT TAKING PLACE? AND I MADE UP IN MY MIND THAT THOSE FOLKS WHO COULD NOT BE ADDRESSED WITH THE VAGABOND OR MOTEL VOUCHERS, THERE MIGHT BE SOME THAT WOULD BE OVERFLOWING TO THE RIVERBED BECAUSE I, I THINK THEY'RE, THEY MAY, I, AGAIN, I'M MAKING UP, THEY MAY BE MORE LEFT ALONE OVER THERE. AND SO IF MORE ARE GOING OVER THERE AND THAT'S ANOTHER SITE TO BE TARGETED, ARE THEY ALL GONNA YEAH. THE, IT'S THE PUSHING THE BALLOON. HOW, HOW MUCH OF THAT'S GOING ON? RIGHT. BECAUSE THE COUNTY OWNS THE RIGHT OF WAY OF THE RIVER. SO THEY RECENTLY HAD A SWEEP, UM, OF THE LOWER LA RIVER OKAY. TWO WEEKS AGO. SO IT WAS COMPLETELY CLEARED OUT. SO, UM, I WAS THERE YESTERDAY AND THERE'S MAYBE A DOZEN PEOPLE UNDER THE BRIDGE AREA AND THEN MAYBE A DOZEN IN THE EXPOSED RIVER AREA WHERE THE COUNTY, UM, HAS THEIR PROPERTY. AND THEN ANOTHER [00:15:01] BATCH OF RVS UNDER THE ANAHEIM STREET BRIDGE. SO IT, IT'S DEFINITELY LESS POPULATED THAN, UH, LET'S SAY SIX MONTHS AGO BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY EXHAUSTED FROM MOVING. UM, SO THEY HAVE, SO I, I GUESS I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE VALUE IS OF FIGURING OUT HOW PEOPLE MOVE AROUND. 'CAUSE WE JUST KNOW PEOPLE MOVE AROUND. IF YOU, IF YOU MOVE THEM FROM THIS AREA, YES, OF COURSE THEY'RE GONNA MOVE TO SOMEWHERE ELSE, BUT THEY'RE STILL HOMELESS. SO I, I'M, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE VALUE OF THAT IS. I I UNDERSTAND. I REALLY APPRECIATED THE SWEEP, THE, THE PUBLIC WORKS PRESENTATION. UM, BECAUSE WHAT I, I THINK WE COULD HAVE ASKED HIM WAS, YOU KNOW, HE HAD SOME FIGURE OF 3,576 OR SOMETHING SWEEPS THAT WAS CONDUCTED IN 2023 OF THAT. UM, HOW MANY WERE THE HOTSPOTS? RIGHT? MM-HMM. BECAUSE LIKE I, I KNOW ONE HOTSPOT AND THEY COME TWICE A WEEK AND THEY HAVE BEEN DOING THAT FOR A LONG TIME, FOR ALMOST A YEAR NOW. MM-HMM. . SO THAT PARTICULAR SPOT GETS COUNTED 24 TIMES. SO I GUESS IF WE HAD A MAP, MAYBE THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO, TO KNOW WHAT THESE HOTSPOTS ARE IN TERMS OF THE PUBLIC WORKS EFFORTS. AND I'M JUST NOT SURE IF WE NEED TO TRACK PEOPLE. 'CAUSE YEAH, I DON'T, IT'S, YEAH, I'M NOT SURE WHAT OUR GOAL IS BECAUSE, UM, MY THING IS THAT EVERYBODY NEEDS A PLACE TO BE, WHETHER IT'S DAYTIME OR NIGHTTIME. SO IF YOU'RE NOT ADDRESSING THAT, I I, I'M NOT SURE HOW THE FOUR HOTSPOT ARE. WELL, I MEAN THAT'S WHY I FEEL LIKE WE'RE BACK TO SQUARE. YEAH. LIKE WE JUST DON'T HAVE ANY PLACE TO PUT PEOPLE WELL AND ARE LIKE, FIT INTO ALL OF OUR PROGRAMS THAT WE PUT PEOPLE IN. IT'S ALWAYS LIKE PUTTING A SQUARE PICK INTO A ROUND HOLE. ALWAYS. AND I FEEL LIKE OUR PROGRAMS NEED TO BE ADJUSTED, BUT THEN THAT'S ALSO GOING TO TALK TO THE COC AND LIKE FIGURING THAT OUT. BUT THAT'S THAT . SO TO THAT POINT, THAT'S WHY THE COMMITTEE OFFERED THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF, LOOK, THERE ARE LIMITED RESOURCES, THERE'S LIMITED SHELTER, THERE'S LIMITED FUNDING, THERE'S LIMIT LIMITED LONG-TERM SUPPORTIVE HOUSING. WHERE DO WE PUT THESE LIMITED RESOURCES? AND WE CAME UP WITH A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE SHOULD MOVE SOME, NOT ALL, SOME LIMITED RESOURCES FROM LONG-TERM HOUSING AND INTO SHELTER BECAUSE WE FEEL LIKE IT'S SUCH A CRISIS TO KEEP, YOU KNOW, MOVING PEOPLE AROUND FROM PLACE TO PLACE. THAT WE THINK THERE SHOULD BE AN EMPHASIS ON MORE SHORT-TERM SHELTER. AND EVEN ARE THERE CHEAPER WAYS TO DO THAT, BUT OFFER SOME VALUE AND DIGNITY AND HUMANITY. AND THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHERE THE SAFE SLEEP RECOMMENDATION CAME IN. NOT THAT WE'RE TIED TO SAFE SLEEP, BUT JUST LIKE, IF THIS IS ALL THE RESOURCES THAT THE CITY HAS, WE DON'T THINK 27% SHELTERED IS GOOD FOR ANYONE. IT'S NOT GOOD FOR THE INDIVIDUALS, IT'S NOT GOOD FOR RESIDENTS, IT'S NOT GOOD FOR BUSINESS OWNERS. LET'S GET MORE PEOPLE SHELTERED. AND HOPEFULLY THAT GOES WITH CASE MANAGEMENT AND BETTER LONG TERM OUTCOMES. SO RECOGNIZING THAT THERE JUST AREN'T PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO GO, YOU KNOW, LET, LET'S CREATE SOME MORE OF THOSE SHORT TERM OPPORTUNITIES IN CREATIVE WAYS. AND WHAT, WHAT HAVE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES DONE TO BE CREATIVE WITH LIMITED RESOURCES. AND I THINK THE, THE LONGER THAT WE DON'T, I DON'T KNOW, BUILD MORE SPACE, LIKE IT JUST PEOPLE JUST MORE PEOPLE KEEP BUILDING, LIKE STUCK IN A, THAT'S ALL . I FEEL LIKE THAT'S WHAT I SEE AROUND THERE. LIKE, NOT EVEN LIKE PEOPLE MOVING, BUT I FEEL LIKE THOSE GROUPS ARE INCREASE. LIKE THEY'RE INCREASING AND IF WE DON'T YEAH. BUILD SOMETHING AND THEY'RE JUST GONNA KEEP INCREASING AND THE TIME'S GONNA KEEP GOING. UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S FACTORS TO SAY THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE BEDS WITH THE DATA WE HAVE IN OTHER CITIES. UH, AND IT'S JUST SO HARD TO GET A SENSE OF WHERE FOLKS ARE AND TRACKING THEM AND ALL OF THAT. SO I THINK THAT STANDS ON ITS OWN. MORE, MORE SHELTER SPACE NEEDS TO BE MADE AVAILABLE. THAT'S CHALLENGING BUDGET, ET CETERA. WE OFFER ONE LOWER COST. PAUL SEEMED TO COMMENT ON THE MOTELS. HE LIKES TO TAKE OVER THE MOTEL AND, AND CREATE THAT. OKAY, SO WHAT'S THE NEXT HOTEL? YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE PLAN? UM, AND UM, YOU KNOW HOW MAYBE THAT'LL GET 28% OR 30%, YOU KNOW, YOU MAKE INCREMENTAL IMPROVEMENT. YOU DON'T, IF YOU DO NOTHING, NOTHING'S GONNA HAPPEN. SO [00:20:01] WHAT IS THE NEXT, IS THERE, IS THERE A NEXT STEP? WHAT IS THE NEXT STEP? AND IF THERE ISN'T, THEN WHAT'S THE CAUSE WHAT ARE THE REASONS IT COULD BE BUDGET. SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE NOT THIS YEAR, BUT MAYBE NEXT YEAR. I DON'T KNOW. I I DO SEE LIKE OUR SERVICE PROVIDERS WE HAVE IN A CITY LIKE PATH, LIKE TAKING A ROAD TILL I THINK THAT'S GREAT. AND I FORGET THE SERVICE PROVIDER THAT'S OVER THERE BY THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE. LIKE THAT'S LIKE A SUPPORTIVE POLICY. OH NO, NO, NO. THE THE 26.2 ON PCH ON P AND IS IT PCH RIGHT THERE? LIKE PCH REDONDO? YEAH. IS THAT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? IT'S 26.2 WHITE GREEN. YEAH. LIKE THOSE ARE REALLY GREAT, I THINK TO HAVE, BUT THAT'S NOT A MOTEL, THAT'S NO, IT'S LIKE IT'S STUDIO. IT'S ALL STUDIOS. IT'S LIKE SUPPORTIVE HOUSING. RIGHT. IT'S ALL STUDIOS. SO I REALLY FEEL LIKE ENCOURAGING SERVICE PROVIDERS TO BUILD THOSE MAYBE WOULD HELP US OUT TOO. YEAH. SO THAT IT'S NOT SO STRENUOUS ON THE CITY AS WELL THAT I DON'T KNOW, WRITING THOSE PEOPLE IN. YEAH. OR REP. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT PURPOSE, HOW THAT PROCESS GOES, BUT, OR REPURPOSING BUILDINGS. UM, THERE WAS A INTERESTING ARTICLE, AND I DID THINK OF THIS AS AS SCHOOLS, JUST 'CAUSE I HAVE MY BIASES AGAINST L-B-U-S-D, BUT, UM, IN SAN FRANCISCO, WHICH HAD AN INFLUX OF MIGRANTS, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE AN INFLUX OF SOUTH AMERICAN AND CENTRAL AMERICAN MIGRANTS. I I HAVE NO IDEA. I HAVEN'T MET THEM. I MEAN, WE DO HAVE SPANISH SPEAKING, UM, PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS THAT THEY AREN'T RECENT IMMIGRANTS. SO, UM, ANYWAY, IN SAN FRANCISCO THEY HAD, I WANNA SAY A WHOLE INFLUX OF HUNDREDS OF MIGRANTS RECENTLY. AND IN THE LAST YEAR. AND WHAT THEY DID, THIS ONE TEACHER, UM, AND IT'S NOT A PERFECT SOLUTION AT ALL, BUT I JUST THOUGHT, WOW, THEY WERE ABLE TO DO BACKFLIPS WHEN, WHEN THEY NEEDED TO, THEY CONVERTED THEIR GYM AT A PUBLIC SCHOOL INTO A SHELTER FOR, FOR I WANNA SAY 20 SOME MIGRANT FAMILIES. IT'S NOT A PERFECT SOLUTION WHERE, BECAUSE THEY USE THOSE, IF YOU GO TO A CONFERENCE, YOU SEE THE, THE, UM, CURTAINS, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THEY HAVE THESE WALLED CUR CURTAINS. SO THEN EVERY PERSON GETS A COT THAT GOES ON THE FLOOR OF THE GYM. AND SO EVERY FAMILY GETS A CURTAINED AREA AND THEY'RE ABLE TO SLEEP AS OPPOSED TO BEING ON THE STREETS. BUT THE BAD THING WAS THE SHELTER COULDN'T START TILL 7:00 PM AND THEY HAVE TO BE OUT BY 7:00 AM BUT THEY, THEY SORT OF PARTNERED UP WITH SOME OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, INCLUDING SOME CHURCHES, UM, THE CATHOLIC CHURCH OF WHICH SOME OF THESE MIGRANTS BECAME MEMBERS OF. AND SO WHEN IT WAS TIME TO LEAVE THE SHELTER, THEY WOULD TAKE THEIR STUFF TO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND THEY WOULD ALLOW THEM TO STORE THEIR BELONGINGS. 'CAUSE SOME OF THESE FAMILIES, YOU KNOW, THEY, IT'S A BUNCH OF KIDS AND THEY'RE TRYING TO GO TO SCHOOL AND HAVE STUFF AND, AND THEY WERE ABLE TO, UM, CLEAN UP THERE AND GET READY, HAVE BREAKFAST AT THE DIFFERENT PLACES THAT I, YOU KNOW, ALMOST EVERY, AS SARAH KNOWS, 'CAUSE SHE TAKES CLASSES AT SIX FEET PARK. ALMOST, ALMOST EVERY PARK HAS A COMMUNITY CENTER, WHICH INCLUDES A GYM IN LONG BEACH. MANY OF OUR PARKS HAVE A GYM FACILITY. AND UM, MAYBE THAT'S ANOTHER PILOT RIGHT? WHERE, UM, I'M TELLING YOU, THESE PEOPLE JUST DID IT. IT WAS THE TEACHER AT THE SCHOOL SAID, HEY, WE CAN DO THIS. YOU KNOW, THESE FAMILIES, WE CAN'T TURN THESE FAMILIES AWAY. THEY HAVE CHILDREN. AND, AND SO, AND MAYBE THAT'S THE POPULATION THAT CAN BE SERVED IN A GYM, RIGHT? IS FAMILIES. MM-HMM. . AND, UM, BECAUSE WE KNOW WE HAVE, I HAVE SEEN THEM. I WE HAVE FAMILIES WHO EITHER ARE LIVING IN THEIR CARS OR OUTDOORS AND IT, IT'S, IT'S A HARD, YOU KNOW, IT'S A HARD, I MEAN YEAH. LIKE HOW IT WENT OVER IN SILVERADO PARK, BUT LIKE MAYBE IF YOU WERE FAMILIES NOT SILVERADO PARK, THAT ONE IS UNIQUE IN THAT THAT COMMUNITY DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE. BUT WE HAVE OTHER UNDERUTILIZED, I FEEL LIKE IF THEY'RE COMMUNITY CENTERS, COMMUNITY CENTERS BE LIKE THAT DEMOGRAPHIC UHHUH, LIKE I FEEL LIKE THE COMMUNITY WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT A LITTLE BIT. RIGHT. THEY DIDN'T GET ANY PUSH PUSHBACK AND THEY'RE LIKE FAMILIES. YEAH. THEY DIDN'T GET PUSHBACK AND THE FAMILIES, THEY DIDN'T LOVE THEIR SITUATION. RIGHT. 'CAUSE IT, IT WASN'T PERFECT, BUT THEY APPRECIATED NOT BEING ON THE STREETS. YEAH. ESPECIALLY, AND WHAT HAPPENED WAS IT GAVE THEM TIME TO CONNECT WITH PERMANENT HOUSING AND THEY WERE ABLE TO GET JOBS. IT, IT WAS REALLY, SO MY, YEAH. MY TAKEAWAY FROM THIS CONVERSATION THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING ABOUT A YEAR NOW IS REALLY THAT TOP LEVEL [00:25:01] RECOMMENDATION OF, UM, WE RECOMMEND SHIFTING RESOURCES AND PRIORITIES. AND I THINK UNTIL OUR CITY COUNCIL AND OUR MAYOR, UM, SAYS WE ACTUALLY THINK THE SHELTER SITUATION IS A CRISIS AND WE WANT TO MOVE SOME FUNDING FROM LONG TERM INTO SHORT TERM, OR WE WANT TO GET REALLY CREATIVE COMBINING, YOU KNOW, PRIVATE FUNDING THAT WE CAN BRAINSTORM AND WE WANT TO USE BUILDINGS IN NEW WAYS. BUT THERE REALLY HAS TO BE A POLITICAL SHIFT IN THINKING OF WE ALL SEE THE SHELTER SITUATION AS A CRISIS. THE NUMBERS NEED TO BE MOVED HERE. WHICH I THINK IS THE OPINION OF THIS COMMITTEE. UM, AND SO I THINK IT'S OUR JOB TO CONTINUE JUST MAKING THAT CASE OF 27%. WE, WE THINK IT'S A PROBLEM AND WE RECOMMEND SHIFTING RESOURCES AND BEING, UM, VERY CREATIVE IN GETTING A HIGHER NUMBER OF PEOPLE SHELTERED AS HAS WENT DOWN IN THE OTHER COMMUNITY. SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF HOW I SEE IT IS ONGOING CONVERSATIONS WITH THE MAYOR. I KNOW JULIE REQUESTED A, A MEETING TO TALK ABOUT THE POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS AND WITH EACH OF OUR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO SAY, THIS IS THE BIG SHIFT THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR BASED ON HEARING INFORMATION FROM, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH CITY STAFF. WE THINK RESOURCES NEED TO BE MOVED A LITTLE BIT MORE IN THE FAVOR OF SHELTER AS OPPOSED TO LONG TERM. SO UNTIL THAT HAPPENS, WE CAN TALK INDIVIDUALLY ABOUT SOLUTIONS, BUT IF NO ONE'S GOING TO ARGUE FOR THE FUNDING OR YOU KNOW, KIND OF A CHANGE IN APPROACH, THEN I, I DON'T THINK IT'LL HAPPEN AND WE CAN MAKE THIS. SO I THINK IT'S AN ONGOING DISCUSSION WITH OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE RESULTS WE'VE SEEN, WE THINK IT MIGHT BENEFIT INDIVIDUAL, YOU KNOW, OUTCOMES TO MOVE SOME RESOURCES TOWARDS A LITTLE BIT MORE SHELTER. RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS? NO, I BET THAT'S, THAT'S A GREAT POINT. AND, AND IN THAT POLICY MEMO, WE WEREN'T REACHING FOR THE SKY 40% WAS THE GOAL, RIGHT? YEAH. IT'S 40%, WHICH IS FAIRLY REASONABLE COMPARED TO OTHER COMMUNITIES IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. BUT IT DOES REPRESENT A SHIFT. AND SO IT'S A CONTINUOUS DISCUSSION ABOUT DO WE ALL AGREE WITH THIS? DO WE THINK THIS SHOULD BE PRIORITY? SO I THAT I SEE THAT AS OUR ROLE OF CONTINUOUS CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS IS THE PRIORITY. CAN I ADD ONE THING? IS THE, YOU KNOW, THE TINY HOMES THAT SHIFTED TO, TO THE STUDENTS AT LBCC, IS THAT CONSIDERED SHORT TERM, LIKE A SHORT TERM PROJECT FOR INTERIM? THOSE, THOSE ARE CONSIDERED INTERIM HOUSING. THEY'RE CONSIDERED INTERIM, BUT THE FUNDING THAT CAME WITH IT WAS 30 YEAR COVENANT. SO IT'S ACTUALLY A VERY LONG TERM CAPITAL. BUT LIKE THE PROGRAM WOULD BE A SHORT TERM. YEAH. I WAS JUST, I WAS JUST LIKE THINKING OF LIKE CONNECTING THE SHORT TERM TO THAT DEMOGRAPHIC AND LIKE THEY CONNECTED THAT, THEY'RE LIKE, OKAY, STUDENTS TAKE CARE OF STUDENTS AND I DON'T KNOW. SO I WAS LIKE, OH, FAMILIES TAKE CARE OF FAMILIES. MM-HMM. SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEAH. IT GOES BACK TO THE PEER THING, BUT I'M ALWAYS LIKE, YEAH, IT'S ALWAYS THE PEER THING. YEAH. AND, AND MAYBE THE SHIFT AT SARAH'S COMPLETELY RIGHT. THE SHIFT NEEDS TO BE HOW CAN WE ALL WORK TOGETHER TO IMPROVE THE SHELTER RATE? UM, OKAY. SORRY TO PUT ONE MORE THING ON THIS. SO THERE, THERE'S, IN, IN THIS AREA I HAVEN'T HEARD OF IS SHIFTING FROM LONG TERM TO SHORT TERM INTERIM HOUSING. YEAH. SO I, I'M INTERESTED IN THAT EXPERIENCE AND OTHER WORK I'VE HAD BUDGETS, SOMETIMES YOU CAN'T SHIFT FOR VARIOUS REASONS. SO HAVE WE HAD DISCUSSIONS? CAN THEY BE SHIFTED? SO WE'RE IN THAT PROCESS. OKAY. YEAH. SO IT'S, THERE ARE SOME FUNDING SOURCES THAT ARE VERY CLEAR AND WHAT YOU, YOU KNOW, STATE AND FEDERAL FUNDING, YOU CAN USE IT FOR THIS. WE DON'T WANT YOU TO USE IT FOR THIS. UM, WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN OTHER COMMUNITIES, AND IT'S A TOUGH BUDGET YEAR THIS YEAR, SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, NOT A GOOD CLIMATE. BUT WE'VE SEEN OTHER COMMUNITIES USE GENERAL FUNDS OUT OF THE CITY GENERAL'S BUDGET TO, UM, SO IT'S KIND OF A MATTER OF, YOU KNOW, PROPOSALS AND RFP OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE, SO IT'S SOME, SOME FUNDING'S VERY RESTRICTED. IT HAS TO BE FOR A CERTAIN THING AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THOSE FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES THAT COME UP AND, BUT THERE ARE SOME OPPORTUNITIES AROUND THE MARGINS TO, TO CHANGE THINGS. AND WHAT WE HAVE SPOKEN TO THE CITY LEADERSHIP ABOUT IS SPECIFICALLY THE FUNDING OPTIONS IN THAT WE COULD USE THE MAYOR'S FUND AS A WAY TO, UM, SEED SOME OF THESE PROJECTS. IF WE HAD THE MAYOR AND THE LONG BEACH COMMUNITY FOUNDATION ON BOARD, THEN WE WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT RAISING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, IF NOT A MILLION DOLLAR GOAL. AND REALLY SEE THESE, THESE IDEAS THAT WE HAVE, BECAUSE A LOT OF THE IDEAS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IDEAS. THEY'RE NOT MILLIONS MM-HMM. . RIGHT. AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE YEAR PILOTS. SO IF WE CAN GET THE MAYOR'S [00:30:01] EAR AND, AND UM, GET HIM AND OTHER COMMUNITY LEADERS TO HELP US RAISE THE FUNDS. 'CAUSE LIKE YOU ARE CORRECT THAT A LOT OF THE PROGRAMS ARE, UM, BUDGETED THE WAY THEY ARE. BUT AS SARAH SAID, SOME COMMUNITIES HAVE TAPPED INTO THE JOURNAL FUND AND THAT'S ALWAYS AN OPTION. OKAY. AND WE HAVE THIS MAGIC ACCOUNT CALLED THE MAYOR'S FUND THAT IS PRETTY DOGGONE FLEXIBLE IF WE WANT IT TO BE. ALRIGHT. ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS? SEEING NONE TO MOVE ON TO THERE. SORRY. DO WE HAVE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WISH TO SEE? NO. AND THEN I HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT OR SOMEONE EMAILED IT. I AM ASSUMING IT'S FOR THIS ONE. UH, FOR THIS ITEM. SO I'M GONNA READ IT. THE CITY HAS PUBLICLY STATED IN AUGUST 12TH MEMO HOW IT WILL ADDRESS HOMELESSNESS, WHICH IS TO SAY IT WILL NOT. INSTEAD IT WILL CRIMINALIZE HOMELESSNESS WITH INCREASED SWEEPS AND EXPENSIVE CITATIONS METHODS THAT DO NOTHING TO SOLVE HOMELESSNESS. INSTEAD, THEY WILL MAKE THE LIVES OF OUR UNHOUSED NEIGHBORS EVEN MORE CHALLENGING THAN THEY ALREADY ARE. UNDERMINING THE HARD WORK THAT HAS BEEN INVESTED INTO GETTING FOLKS SERVICES AND HOUSING. I AM SO DISAPPOINTED BY THE CITY'S DECISION TO CONDUCT INCREASED SWEEPS WHEN NOT ONLY IS THERE A LACK OF SHELTER OR AFFORDABLE UNITS, BUT ALSO A LACK OF TENANT PROTECTIONS AND HOUSING RESOURCES TO KEEP PEOPLE HOUSING THE FIRST PLACE. LONG BEACH IS ONE OF THE HIGH, HAS ONE OF THE HIGHEST RATES OF HOMELESSNESS IN CALIFORNIA. IN 2023, AT LEAST 111 PEOPLE DIED WHILE LIVING ON THE STREETS. ACCORDING TO THE CITY'S POINT IN TIME COUNT OF THE 3,376 PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS, 53 REPORTED THAT THIS WAS THEIR FIRST TIME FALLING INTO HOMELESSNESS WITH THE LARGEST CONTRIBUTING FACTORS BEING FINANCIAL AND HEALTH RELATED. INVESTING IN PREVENTATIVE STRATEGIES IS DESPERATELY NEEDED. NOT EXPENSIVE FENCES AROUND OUR PUBLIC PARKS OR MORE MONEY FOR MORE COPS TO KNOCK ON THE TENTS OF THOSE TRYING TO FIND SOMEWHERE SAFE TO SLEEP, HANDING OUT CITATIONS THAT FOLKS CANNOT AFFORD AND WHICH WILL ONLY MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT TO OVERCOME CHALLENGES. NO ONE WANTS TO SEE OUR NEIGHBORS SUFFERING ON THE STREETS OF OUR CITY, ESPECIALLY NOT IN THE HARSH WEATHER WE HAVE BEEN EXPERIENCING. PLEASE DO NOT START USING BRENT'S PASS AS A FREE PASS TO IGNORE THE CITY, THE NEEDS OF ALL RESIDENTS IN OUR CITY. CAN I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THAT? SO PEOPLE, IS THAT ANONYMOUS? NO, IT'S, WHO'S IT FROM? SO WHO IS IT? ANNA MORENO. WOW, THAT WAS REALLY A LOT. YEAH. THAT'S THOUGHT. YOU KNOW, SO DOES THAT GET ENTERED INTO THE MINUTES? IS THAT JUST SORT OF CORRECT? IT'S IN THE MINUTES. SO PEOPLE CAN MAKE STATEMENTS THAT GET ENTERED INTO THE MINUTES AND THEN WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO REPLY TO THAT OR WHAT? NO, NO. IT'S A PUBLIC COMMENT. NO, IT'S JUST PUBLIC COMMENT. IT GOES IN THE RECORD. IT'S A PUBLIC COMMENT. IT'S ALWAYS PUBLIC COMMENT. ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS? THANK YOU. UM, SO ITEM THREE, I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION RECOMMENDATION TO DISCUSS THE CLEAN SWEEPS PUBLIC WORKS PRESENTATION PRESENTED AT THE HOMELESS SERVICES ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 4TH, 2024. SO MOVED SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? UM, I HAD A DISCUSSION ON THAT, AND IT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS ASKING, UM, ON A WEDNESDAY WAS JUST IF THERE'S ANY OTHER DEPARTMENTS KIND OF LIKE, LIKE IF OUR CRISIS RESPONSE TEAM GOES OUT CLEAN OR MENTAL HEALTH OR HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND NOT JUST, UM, LIKE I UNDERSTAND SOME PEOPLE GET COMBATIVE, LIKE I'M OUT THERE ON THE STREETS. UM, BUT LIKE POLICE PRESENCE IS ALWAYS A LITTLE O OMINOUS WHEN YOU'RE ON THE STREETS. SO HAVING A BUFFER BETWEEN THERE I THINK WOULD HELP A LOT . UM, AT LEAST FOR LIKE CINEMA GROUPS TOO. THEY COME ANYWAYS. UM, AND JUST KIND OF LIKE PEOPLE GATHER THEIR THINGS BEFORE THEY'RE TOSSED OUT. ESPECIALLY PEOPLE AREN'T DISABLED, IT TAKES THEM A MINUTE. UM, SO LIKE HAVING THE, I DIDN'T THINK I'M SAYING THE TEAM'S NAME WRONG, BUT IT'S THE REACH. THE REACH. ARE YOU DOING THE REACH? I MEAN, REACH WOULD HELP TOO, BUT I'M THINKING OF OUR CRISIS RESPONSE TEAM. IT'S THE, I THINK IT'S CALLED THE CRISIS RESPONSE TEAM, IS THAT WHAT IT'S CALLED? OKAY. AND LIKE, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING ELSE. UM, BUT I FEEL LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE TIME TO DO THAT OR IF THEY'RE ON CALLS, BUT IF THEY COULD COORDINATE WITH THEM TO GO OUT, LIKE ESPECIALLY IN THE BIGGER ENCAMPMENTS, [00:35:01] I THINK IT WOULD HELP PEOPLE. SO YOU THINK WE SHOULD CLARIFY THAT POINT ABOUT WHETHER THEY'RE ALWAYS THERE AND IF NOT, MAYBE RECOMMEND, RECOMMEND AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, RECOMMEND THAT TEAM GO OUT? YEAH, I, I THINK, UM, YEAH, ACCORDING TO THE GENTLEMAN WHO DID THE PUBLIC WORKS PRESENTATION, AND FROM MY OWN EXPERIENCE HAVING BEEN AT MANY, MANY FLEETS, UM, THE, THE GOAL OR THE, UM, CHARGE OF THE PUBLIC WORKS TEAM WITH THE POLICE ESCORT IS TO SWEEP THE PUBLIC AREA. OKAY. AND, AND THAT IS THEIR GOAL. SO IF, IF THERE'S A DIFFERENT GOAL, WHICH HAS TO DO WITH CONNECTING WITH PEOPLE, IT GONNA HAVE TO BE NOT PUT ON THE SHOULDERS OF THE PUBLIC WORKS. SO THE PD, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE A, AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT EFFORT. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE CHARGED WITH CLEANING AND SO THAT'S WHAT THEY DO. UM, AND THEY DO A PRETTY GOOD JOB AT IT. UM, SO IF THERE'S MORE TO THE GOAL THAN CLEANING, THEN I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. AND, YOU KNOW, DO YOU, FROM WHAT YOU'VE SEEN MM-HMM. , DO YOU SENSE THAT THERE IS, I MEAN, I MEAN THE PEOPLE, I MEAN, I THINK YOU CAN IMAGINE YEAH. OF COMPLICATION WITH POLICE. A LOT OF, AND PAM KNOW, PAM KNOWS, UM, A LOT OF THE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN HOMELESS, HAVE BEEN EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS FOR A LONG TIME. SO THEY HAVE BEEN CONDITIONED TO EXPECT THE SWEEPS AND THE SIGNS DO GO UP HOWEVER MANY DAYS BEFORE THIS WEEK. SO THEY HAVE A ROUTINE. UM, MOST OF THEM I KNOW, KNOW HOW IT WORKS. AND SO, UM, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES. I HAVE THIS ONE GENTLEMAN WHO'S IN A WHEELCHAIR AND, AND THE OTHERS HELP HIM AND, AND THINGS. BUT, UM, I GUESS I, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT RESOURCES, IF WE WERE TO HAVE THE REACH TEAM OR THE, OR THE CRISIS TEAM OR WHAT OTHER RESOURCES WOULD BE OFFERED. I MEAN, MOST OF THESE PEOPLE, OR IF NOT ALL OF 'EM ARE IN THE HMIS, THEY'RE IN THE SYSTEM. THEY HAVE ASKED FOR ASSISTANCE. SO I'M JUST LIKE TRYING TO BRING SOME DIGNITY TO IT. NO WARM HANDOFF, LIKE CLEAN TEAM AND POLICE ARE NOT WARM. NO. IF YOU HAVE SOME WARM THINGS, LIKE YOU CAN DECREASE ANY KIND OF ES LIKE ESCALATION ESCALATING ANYTHING IF YOU HAVE A WARM HANDOFF. SO I, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE, THERE'S NOTHING DIGNIFIED ABOUT TAKING PEOPLE'S BELONGINGS. NO. . SO YEAH. IT IS, IT IS INTERESTING. I MEAN IT'S, I MEAN, SOMETIMES WHEN I'M THERE, WHEN THERE'S A SLEEP, I AM THE WARM HANDOFF. RIGHT. AND I'M HELPING THAT SITUATION. EXACTLY. BUT LIKE I, YOU KNOW, LIKE THAT'S HAPPENING ALL THE TIME. LIKE I ONLY, I DO, I MEAN, I DO THAT ON MY VOLUNTEER TIME TOO, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S DIFFICULT. YEAH, NO, I UNDERSTAND. I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. IT'S JUST, I'M NOT SURE IF THE CITY'S LIMITED RESOURCES WOULD BE ANY MORE PRODUCTIVE THAN HAVING US DO IT. OR THE MHA PEOPLE WHO DO IT REGULARLY. YOU KNOW, IT, I I HAVE THOUGHTS ON THAT. UM, DO YOU HAVE SOME ELSE? WELL, I I'M JUST CURIOUS IS, IS FOR SAFETY REASONS, YOU, YOU, YOU CANNOT PREDICT WHEN SOMEBODY MIGHT BECOME AN AGITATED, SO, YOU KNOW, THE WARM HANDOFF, COULD YOU PUT THAT WARM HANDOFF PERSON AT RISK? UM, IF THERE'S, SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE TALKING, SEEMS LIKE IT'S SORT OF A CONCIERGE. UM, WELL, THESE PEOPLE, LIKE PEOPLE, YEAH. LIKE RELATIONSHIP WITH PEOPLE OUT THERE. IT'S NOT PEOPLE THAT ARE STRANGERS TO ME. SO WHEN A STRANGER COMES UP TO YOU, OF COURSE YOU'RE GONNA BE A LITTLE DEFENSIVE AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. SO WHEN I CAN BUFFER THAT BECAUSE I HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH THAT PERSON, IT'S DIFFERENT. SO IF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY THAT'S COMING YEAH. APPROACHING THAT WITH A DIFFERENT VIBE, . SO KIND OF THIS CITY'S GOAL TO BE KIND AND GENTLE WITH ALL OF IT, NOT GENTLE, BUT UH, HUMANE WITH ALL OF THIS. IT'S THE HUMANITY PART OF IT IS, IT IS ARE WE LACKING HUMANITY BY SORT OF POLICE? I DON'T KNOW. I HAVEN'T SEEN THEM. WHAT HAPPENS AND WHAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES ARE. AND THEN WHAT COULD THAT BE TO SORT OF PROVIDE SOMETHING BETTER? I, I DON'T KNOW. WELL, IN YOUR SUGGESTION OF THE CRISIS RESPONSE TEAM WAS PROFESSIONALS THAT WOULD BE THERE, THAT WOULD BE . THEY COULD HAVE A, YOU KNOW, [00:40:01] COULD TOUCH BASE SIMULTANEOUS OR RIGHT BEFORE OR IS SO I'M SURE THEY'RE ON CALL. I MEAN, THE PD AND THE, AND THE PUBLIC WORKS CAN CALL IT JUST, FOR THE MOST PART, WHEN I SEE AN ENCAMPMENT BEING SWEPT, THE PEOPLE AFFECTED REALLY DO KNOW THE ROUTINE AND THEY ARE ABLE TO, TO DO IT THE WAY THEY WANT TO DO IT. AND THEY DO LOOK OUT FOR EACH OTHER AND THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY DO WHAT THEY DO. 'CAUSE THEY, THIS IS THEIR LIVES. THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE VERY, THEIR SURVIVAL SKILLS ARE WAY BETTER THAN THAN MINE. SO, UM, THEY, THEY DO IT TWICE A WEEK. THEY DO IT. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE AN ACTION POINT CAN BE, YOU KNOW, WHO IS THE STANDARD GROUP THAT GOES OUT WITH THESE SWEEPS? AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE, THE PROTOCOL, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR HELPING PROVIDE PEOPLE WITH SUPPORT? UM, IS IT THE CRISIS RESPONSE TEAM? HOW IS THAT HANDLED? UM, MY THOUGHTS ON THIS WHEN I WAS HEARING THE PRESENTATION AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE FREQUENCY WITH WHICH THE HOTSPOTS WERE CLEANED WAS HOW MUCH DOES THAT COST AND COULD THOSE RESOURCES BE REALLOCATED TO SHELTER, YOU KNOW, AS OPPOSED TO CONSTANTLY CLEAN, SWEEPING AND DOING THIS. UM, AND SO I'M REALLY CURIOUS HOW MUCH IT COST, UM, TO, YOU KNOW, CLEAN THE SAME PLACES TWICE A WEEK OR, YOU KNOW, HOWEVER MANY TIMES PER YEAR. UM, AND IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY THERE TO PROVIDE SHELTER INSTEAD OF SWEEPING THIS AREA WHERE PEOPLE ARE IN CAMP? SO MAYBE THERE'S NOT, UM, BUT I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THOSE COSTS JUST FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE AND SEEING IF COULD THAT BE SHIFTED, UM, TO SHELTER? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE HEARD FROM CUL CITY WAS THAT THEY KNEW THEY WERE GONNA SAVE OVER HERE AND THAT'S WHY THEY TOOK THEIR GENERAL FUND TO DO THEIR SAFE SLEEP PROJECT. YOU CAN SAY THAT THEY KNEW THERE, THERE WAS A SAVING, THEY DIDN'T PENCIL IT OUT. THEY JUST KNEW THERE WAS GONNA BE YEAH, BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THEY DIDN'T DEBRIEF CULVER, THE, THE TOUR. PAUL SPOKE TO A TOUR. THEY WENT TO CULVER CITY. WE DID TOO. WE NO, NO, THEY DID TOO. YES. EVERYONE, THEY WENT ON A SEPARATE DIFFERENCE. THEY WENT SEPARATE. YES, THEY WENT SEPARATELY. BUT WHAT I HEARD FROM THAT PRESENTATION WAS INEFFICIENCY, UH, FROM WHAT PAUL SAID, UH, WAS KIND OF INEFFICIENCY, LOW NUMBERS. UH, IT'S CALVER CITY. NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT YOU KNOW, IF THE, WHAT'S IMPLANTED IN THEIR MIND IS THAT'S THE WAY THESE FACILITIES ARE IN, AROUND THERE. IF CULVER CITY IS WHAT THEY SAW, THEY'RE THINKING IT REPRESENTS OTHERS. NO, I THINK CULVER CITY IS VERY UNIQUE. IT'S, IT'S, IT, OKAY, I GET IT. IT'S VERY UNIQUE. THEIR SAFE SLEEP IS VERY UNIQUE AS OPPOSED TO IF YOU GO TO LA IT'S LIKE A HUNDRED AND CHANGE MORE PER PERSON PER DAY THAN WHAT WE DO AT OUR EE ERFS ECA RESOLUTION FUNDING. YEAH. THE, THE INVESTMENT CULVER CITY MADE ON THEIR SAFE SLEEP IS MUCH HIGHER IN TERMS OF DOLLARS. THEY HAVE MORE RESOURCES AND SERVICES BECAUSE IT'S IN A LOWER POPULATION. AND THAT'S WHAT THEY WANTED, YOU KNOW, THEY WANTED TO MAKE THAT INVESTMENT. THEY CHOSE THE GLAMPING OPTION AS OPPOSED TO WHAT OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE CHOSEN, WHICH IS NOT THE GLAMPING OPTION. I GET THAT. BUT I WALKED AWAY FROM IT. A SENSE WAS IT'S BETTER TO, IT'S BETTER FROM BUREAU MANAGER PERSPECTIVE TO INVEST THE MONEY IN, IN, UH, MOTELS THAN IN THIS. AND THE EXAMPLE OF WHAT WAS IN, I WISH PAUL WAS HERE, , WHAT WAS, UH, SEEN, SORT OF CONFIRM THAT FROM THAT ONE TOUR. AND THAT'S FINE. UM, MY QUESTION WITH REGARD TO THIS IS WHAT IS THE COST OF SHELTERING PEOPLE IN LONG BEACH AND WHAT IS THE COST OF CLEAN SWEEPS? AND AGAIN, COULD, COULD RESOURCES, I UNDERSTAND THAT BE REALLOCATED. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT TAKING THE COST OF CULVER CITY OUT OF IT, COULD RESOURCES BE REALLOCATED TO SHELTER PEOPLE IN INSTEAD OF CLAIMS? I GET THAT. YEAH. AND IN, IN THE MEMO, THE POLICY MEMO, WE DO GIVE OTHER EXAMPLES BESIDES CULVER CITY, I KNOW THAT ARE PAID MORE EFFICIENT, LOWER COST. YEAH. MORE EFFICIEN. AND SO, AND, AND YOU KNOW, WE CAN GO DOWN TO SAN DIEGO AND LOOK AT THEIR 500 TENTS IF WE WANT TO SEE EFFICIENCY. SO TO THAT POINT, I WOULD, YOU KNOW, SEEK SOME, SOME HELP HERE. I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS APPROPRIATE DURING THE POLICY PRESENTATION TO SAY LIKE, HOW MUCH DOES IT COST TO SWEEP THAT, YOU KNOW? MM-HMM. , WHAT'S A WAY TO LOOK AT THE BUDGET? TO LOOK AT THE CITY BUDGET AND UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, HOW RESOURCES ARE BEING ALLOCATED FOR CLEAN SWEEPS IN A WAY OF LIKE, OKAY, WELL CLEAN, SWEEPING THE SAME SITE, YOU KNOW, UM, 52 TIMES A YEAR COSTS LESS WELL, OR THAT, THAT TOTAL, SARAH, IT'S 3,423. I DON'T, I CAN'T READ THAT. REALLY. THAT'S, SO I GUESS WHAT WE CAN DO IS [00:45:01] WE CAN ASK PUBLIC WORKS WHAT THEIR BUDGET LOOKS LIKE. YEAH. AND THEN GO FROM THERE. YOU COULD GET A COST PER SWEEP, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. MM-HMM. THE BUDGET'S $3 MILLION AND THEY HAVE A 3000, THEN IT'S A THOUSAND BUCKS PER SWEEP. THAT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL JUST TO SAY, IS THIS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET, MOVE PEOPLE? MM-HMM. INTO SHELTER. RIGHT. OKAY. IF WE REDUCE, I MEAN, WE ALREADY CLOSED GUMBY PARK, SO THERE'S NO SWEEPS THERE ANYMORE, I ASSUME. YEAH, CERTAINLY IF YOU'RE DOING REPETITIVE SWEEPS, IT WOULD SAY, WHY NOT THINK ABOUT PUTTING IT INTO MORE OF A LONG TERM PLAN. AND ESPECIALLY LIKE HOW MANY LOCATIONS ARE SWEPT AT LEAST 20 TIMES A YEAR. YOU KNOW, SO IT'S JUST OVER AND OVER AGAIN. LIKE IT'S THIS, IT'S THE SAME PLACE. OKAY. UM, OKAY. SO LET'S FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THAT, UM, BECAUSE IT MAY BE A WAY TO MOVE RESOURCES. MM-HMM. , UM, AND MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS AROUND THAT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS TOPIC? ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? OKAY. UM, THANK YOU. UM, I THINK WE ALL ALREADY DID. OH, ALL IN FAVOR? YEAH. THAT WE OH, . THANK YOU. UM, MOVING ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR, UH, RECOMMENDATION TO DISCUSS THE HAYSTACK 24 25 POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS TO CITY COUNCIL. UM, LOOKING FOR A MOTION. SO MOVE SECOND. ALRIGHT. ANY DISCUSSION? WELL, YOU SORT OF TOUCHED IT. WE ALL NEED TO FOLLOW UP. UM, I, I, YOU KNOW, IN, IN OUR MEETINGS WITH ALL OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, THEY ALL, NOBODY WAS NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THE IDEA OF DOING A PILOT. UM, LIKE IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, SO IT'S A MATTER OF TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN JUST GO AHEAD AND DO IT AND MOVE FORWARD, WHETHER THROUGH THE MAYOR'S FUND OR THROUGH THE GENERAL FUND, THROUGH THROUGH A TIN CAN OUT AT THE LIBRARY. I KNOW, LIKE IN MY HEAD, LIKE I'M THINKING OF HONESTLY LIKE I'M DOING WORK IN SKID ROW NOW, SO LIKE, I'M EVEN TAPPING INTO OTHER SERVICE PROVIDERS THAT WOULD WANT TO COME BUILD SOMETHING HERE. I DON'T KNOW, LIKE THE ER CENTER IS SO APPEALING TO ME. OH, I KNOW, RIGHT? AND LIKE, I'VE TALKED TO PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THERE NOW AND I'M JUST LIKE, WOW, WE HAVE PEOPLE IN LONG BEACH WHO GOT IT. WHO WENT THERE. YEAH. YEAH, I KNOW. SO LIKE, THAT'S, THAT'S LIKE SUPPORTIVE HOUSING, LIKE I TALKED ABOUT. LIKE THAT IS LONG TERM. YES. THE WEINGART FOUNDATION USED TO JUST HAND OUT MONEY TO EVERYBODY. BUT THEN, UH, WHAT WAS IT LIKE MAYBE 10 YEARS AGO THEY DECIDED, WELL, YOU KNOW, THIS HOMELESSNESS IS NOT GOING AWAY. IT'S NOT GETTING BETTER. IT'S NOT, MAYBE WE NEED TO HAVE MORE, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO MAKE MORE OF AN INVESTMENT. SO THEN THEY CONSTRUCTED A SUPPORTIVE HOUSING CENTER THAT IS ALL THAT . IT, IT TICKS OFF ALL OF YOUR WISHLISTS. AND SO NOW THEY HAVE AN OFFSHOOT OF THEIR FOUNDATION THAT JUST DOES, UM, THE OVERSIGHT OF THE WEINGART CENTER, WHICH IS THE HOUSING AND THE SUPPORT SERVICES. AND YEAH, I IT'S ALL, YEAH. ALL AND ALL IN ONE. YEAH. ALL IN ONE. FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IN THESE MEETINGS WITH POLICY LEADERS, IT'S IMPORTANT TO EMPHASIZE ALL OF THE ALL FOUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS. 'CAUSE I THINK EVEN JUST SETTING NUMERICAL GOALS THEN AS A CITY, WE KNOW IF WE'RE ACHIEVING THEM OR NOT AS FAR AS WHETHER IT'S REDUCING SHELTERS. BUT IF THERE ARE NO NUMERICAL GOALS, THEN THERE'S NEVER, SO I THINK THERE SHOULD BE NUMERICAL GOALS AND IF WE DON'T ACCOMPLISH THIS, THEN WE TRY AGAIN THE NEXT YEAR. BUT I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE STRATEGIC PLANNING PROCESS OF HOW ARE WE MEASURING, YOU KNOW, SUCCESS AND PRIORITIES. UM, AND ALSO THE PREVENTATIVE MEASURES. I THINK KIND OF IT'S ALL IMPORTANT. SO JUST HAVING IMPORTANT THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND ATTENDING THE STRATEGIC PLANNING SESSION. UM, ANYTHING ELSE ON OUR POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS? SO IT WAS THE GOALS AND THEN THE KIND OF DO AN ASSESSMENT BASED ON THE DATA THAT ALREADY EXISTS. SO THE CITY HAS DATA ON, YOU KNOW, WHO'S SEEKING SHORT TERM SHELTER. IT WAS GREAT TO SEE THAT AT THE MEETING. WHO'S SEEKING SHORT TERM SHELTER? WHO'S, WHO IS SEEKING, YOU KNOW, LONG TERM SUPPORTIVE HOUSING? WHAT ARE THE GAPS? WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE WAIT TIME ON THOSE ON AVERAGE? UM, SO IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S FALLING INTO PLACE OF, OKAY, WE KNOW, WE KNOW WHAT THE WAIT LISTS ARE FOR EVERYTHING. WE KNOW WHAT THE TIME IS AND WHEN DECISIONS ARE MADE ABOUT WRITING GRANTS OR ALLOCATING RESOURCES, WE KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD BE IMPACTED. AND WHAT'S THE SIZE OF THAT POPULATION. [00:50:03] HAVE YOU, I'VE GLANCED THROUGH THE, THERE WAS A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION ABOUT THE BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR. I THINK IT WAS FROM, FROM THE MAYOR AND THERE WAS MENTION OF HOMELESSNESS, BUT I COULDN'T REALLY GET A FEEL OF WHETHER THERE WAS KIND OF NEW MONEY FOR IT. REALLY? YEAH, I HAVEN'T SEEN IT. IT WAS VERY HIGH LEVEL, YOU KNOW, KIND OF FOR TOMORROW, FOR PUBLIC, FOR TOMORROW'S MEETING? UM, NO, THIS WAS A POWERPOINT THAT WAS IN, UH, I THINK I FORGOT WHERE I SAW IT. SOME COMMUNICATION. I SAW IT WAS A POWERPOINT. THEY'RE HAVING PRESENTATIONS. YEAH, I THINK TOMORROW THEY'RE VOTING AND YEAH. AND, UH, SO ANYWAY, I, I'VE BEEN READING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT, IT HAS A SOUND OF THEY WANT TO SUPPORT EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, POLICE, HOMELESSNESS, BUT IT'S REALLY HARD TO DISTINGUISH WHAT'S GOING UP AND WHAT'S GOING DOWN AND, AND ALL OF THIS. SO, SO A CLOSER LOOK AT THE, THE BUDGET AND ALLOCATIONS TO SEE IF MORE FUNDING'S BEEN ALLOCATED. YEAH. I'M CURIOUS. UM, ANYTHING ELSE IN THIS? ALRIGHT, ALL ALL IN FAVOR? ANY, OH, SORRY. PUBLIC COMMENT. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY. UM, ALL IN FAVOR? I THANK YOU JENNIFER. UM, SO FOR FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS, I, I HAVE ONE, BUT DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS? OH, SORRY. UM, I AM LOOKING FOR, UM, RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE DISCUSSION REGARDING FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. IS THERE A MOTION? I MOVED SECOND. OKAY. UH, ANY DISCUSSION ON FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS? WELL, WE SORT OF HAD SOME FOLLOW UP ON THESE, INCLUDING YOUR, YOUR BUDGET REQUEST AND WAY THE SWEEPS ARE OCCURRING. YEAH, WE HAVE CLARIFICATION. WE'RE LOOKING FOR DATA ON YEAH. FUNDING OF HOW MUCH THE COST TO DO THE CLEAN SWEEPS. WE'RE LOOKING FOR CLARIFICATION ON WHO GOES OUT ON THE CLEAN SWEEPS AND WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN OUR DIFFERENT TEAMS ENGAGED. SO WE DO, WE WANT TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THE BUDGET AND ALLOCATIONS FOR HOMELESSNESS. DOUG HAD A QUESTION ABOUT MULTIPLE VOUCHERS, WHICH I DUNNO IFS. AND YEAH, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE KIND OF ONGOING DISCUSSIONS ABOUT KIND OF IN, IN, IN RELATIONSHIP TO GRANTS PASS AND, AND, UH, IMPACT. AND AGAIN, HAVE THEY, HAVE THERE BEEN DISCUSSIONS AROUND WHAT THINGS WOULD YOU LOOK FOR TO SEE IF IT HAD SECONDARY EFFECTS? MM-HMM. . I MEAN, IS IT THE BALLOON AND WE'RE JUST SQUEEZING PEOPLE AROUND THE CITY OR WHAT? UH, AND SO WHAT COULD THOSE BE TO HOW, HOW DO YOU JUDGE THAT? I DON'T KNOW. UH, DO THEY, ARE THEY ABLE TO, TO SUBJECTIVELY OR OBJECTIVELY SAY, OH, WELL WE'RE SEEING NOW THAT WE CLOSE THIS, WE'RE SEEING MORE SITES OVER THERE, OR WE'RE NOT. UM, SO WE'LL CONTINUE THE GRANTS PAST DISCUSSION AND LOOK FOR SOME MEASURE ON THAT, SOME SENSE OF SECONDARY EFFECTS. OKAY. IS IT, YOU KNOW, IT WHEN, WHENEVER YOU TAKE, WHENEVER YOU DO A STRATEGIC PLAN TO, TO CHANGE COURSE, YOU THINK ABOUT PROS AND CONS AND THEN YOU MEASURE AND ASSESS POSITIVE OUTCOMES AND NEGATIVE OUTCOMES. OKAY. SO POSITIVE OUTCOMES. WE HAVE A FENCE AROUND THE PARK AND WE HAVE FEWER FOLKS OVER THERE AND IT WAS DONE HUMANELY. UH, WHAT NEGATIVE EFFECTS ARE WE LOOKING FOR? WE'RE JUST ASSUMING THERE ARE NO NEGATIVE EFFECTS. WELL, THE PARTS CLOSED FOR EVERYBODY NOW. SO THE PARTS CLOSED, BUT THEN THAT'S BECAUSE THERE WAS GONNA BE REPAIRS DONE. OKAY. SO WHEN'S THE REPAIRS DONE AND WHEN IS THAT GONNA BE OPEN? SO THAT'S THE SECONDARY. YEAH. WHAT ARE THE NEGATIVES AND THEN HOW'S THE NEGATIVE GONNA BE RESOLVED? AND THEN ARE THERE ANYTHING ELSE, ANY OTHER NEGATIVES AROUND PEOPLE? WHERE DO THE PEOPLE GO BEING SUPPORTED? WELL THAT'S, BUT BUT THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY, NO ONE KNOWS. SO IT'S SECONDARY EFFECTS NOT TRUE. THAT IS TRUE. WE, WE DO KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING. THEY'RE JUST MOVING AROUND US. SO IT'S BASICALLY WHAT IS THE IMPACT OF THE DISAPPEAR IMPLEMENTATION? I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND. OKAY. , IT'S SILLY. OKAY. I, [00:55:01] I THINK, I THINK ASKING, I DO THINK ASKING WHERE DO THEY GO? NO ONE CAN ANSWER. THAT'S A QUESTION THAT'S SORT OF LIKE, AND I THINK ASSUMING THAT THEY'RE JUST MOVING AROUND, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR . I'D LIKE TO HEAR PAUL. IF PAUL SAYS THEY'RE JUST MOVING AROUND, THEN I FEEL LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN ASSUME THEY'RE JUST MOVING AROUND. I MEAN, DISPLACEMENT IS A NEGATIVE ON MY, IN MY LIST. YEAH. DISPLACEMENT YEAH. IS NEGATIVE. ARE THEY TAKING THE BLUE LINE AND GOING TO OTHER CITIES? OKAY. ARE THEY STAYING HERE AND FORMING ANOTHER CAMP? OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING. SO, SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO ASK FOR INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT ARE, ARE POSITIVES, NEGATIVE THE IMPACTS WE'RE SEEING OF US, WHAT ARE THE, WHAT, WHAT ARE THE THINGS WE WANT OBJECT WE WANTED TO ACHIEVE, AND WHAT ARE THINGS THAT WE ARE HAVING SECONDARY EFFECTS THAT WE DIDN'T PLAN FOR THAT ARE NEGATIVES. OKAY. UM, ANY OTHER AGENDA ITEMS FOR THIS TIME? WELL, IN, IN TALKING ABOUT THE BUDGET, UM, QUESTION, COULD WE TALK ABOUT HOW WE COULD PILOT, HOW, HOW WE COULD FUND SOME OF THESE PILOT PROGRAMS THAT WOULD HELP US ACHIEVE THE GOAL THAT WE CALL OUT FOR IN OUR POLICY? UM, YOU KNOW, INCLUDING THE MAYOR'S FUND, INCLUDING THE GENERAL FUND, INCLUDING WHATEVER FUND THERE IS OUT THERE. LIKE WHAT CAN, WHAT CAN INCREASE THE YEAH, WE, WE WANNA KNOW HOW TO GET THIS DONE. OKAY. MM-HMM. . YEP. I THINK, DO WE, YEAH. DO WE HAVE THE, I MEAN, IS IT THE ROLE OF THE COMMITTEE TO RIGHT. EVEN GET INVOLVED IN THAT, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS AND TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS AND, UH, PILOTS MM-HMM. AND THEN HOW WOULD PILOTS BE DETERMINED AND WHAT'S OUR ROLE AND WHAT'S THE CITY ROLE AND YEAH, THE ONLY ROLE WE HAVE IS TO EVALUATE EXISTING PROGRAMS AND MAKE POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS AS A RESULT OF THAT EVALUATION. SO I, I FULLY BELIEVE THAT ALL OF THAT ON HER LIST IS PART OF OUR EVALUATION OF, OF WHAT MIGHT BE GOING ON OUT THERE AND MAYBE SUPPORT OUR POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS , THAT WE'VE DONE. ALRIGHT. SO ADDED TO THE AGENDA, UM, I HAVE AN ITEM I'D LIKE TO ADD. AND IT'S BASED ON DISCUSSION WE'VE HAD AT PAST MEETINGS. IT IS THE CITY AUDITOR'S REPORT ON 1955 LONG BEACH BOULEVARD, UM, WHERE THE CITY AUDITOR SAID THAT THE CONTRACT WITH A, A PROVIDER WAS A BAD DEAL FOR THE CITY. UM, AND SO FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS. ONE, BECAUSE THE CITY PUT ABOUT THREE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS INTO THE BUILDING AND THE PROVIDER WOULD BE ABLE TO PURCHASE IT, I THINK FOR A DOLLAR AT THE END OF A 10 YEAR LEASE FREE LEASE, WHICH IS COVERED UP. AND, UM, THE OTHER REASON IS BECAUSE THE PROVIDER HASN'T, ACCORDING TO THE CITY AUDITOR'S REPORT, PROVIDED THE SERVICES THAT WERE IN THE INITIAL CONTRACT, OR AT LEAST FULLY PROVIDED THAT, THAT'S A SUMMARY. BUT, UM, SO THAT WAS CITED IN THE CITY AUDITOR'S REPORT ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO, UM, IN A CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER FOR THAT DISTRICT WHEN WE WERE, UM, BRIEFING COUNCIL MEMBER ZARO ON OUR RECOMMENDATIONS. YOU KNOW, WE SAID, YOU KNOW, THIS IS IN YOUR DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU, WHAT DO YOU THINK? AND UM, THE COUNCIL MEMBER SAID THAT SHE HAD HAD A MEETING BASED ON THAT CITY AUDITOR'S REPORT WITH MHA THE PROVIDER AND RECOMMENDED, UM, THAT WE DO A TOUR OF THE SITE AND SEE THEIR SERVICES. SO THE MOST RECENT, UH, KIND OF COMMUNICATION WITH THE CITY COUNCIL OFFICE WAS, HERE'S THE CONTACT AT MHA, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO GO DO A TOUR, CONTACT 'EM AND SET IT UP. UM, SO I, I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD DISCUSS SINCE IT WAS WE HAVE KIND OF A RECOMMENDATION AND POLICY POSITION. THE CITY AUDITOR SAID, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT A GOOD DEAL, AT LEAST AT THE TIME THAT IT WAS AUDITED. MAYBE WE SHOULD LOOK INTO A LITTLE BIT AND SEE IF WE WANT TO MAKE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS. SO I'D LIKE TO PUT THAT ON A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM AND, UH, JUST KIND OF SHARE THAT THERE MAY BE A, A FOLLOW UP, YOU KNOW, TOUR OF THAT FACILITY OFFERED THROUGH A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER'S OFFICE AND INVITE MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE TO ATTEND THAT KIND OF, OF ON YOUR, YOUR FREE TIME IF YOU'D LIKE TO ATTEND. YEAH. THAT, UM, 1955 LONG BEACH BOULEVARD WAS COMPLETED JUST BEFORE COVID. AND IT WAS SUPPOSED TO OPEN AS A DROP-IN CENTER FOR PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS. IT, UM, IT WAS DESIGNED WITH SHOWER FACILITIES, UM, MAIL SERVICE, A CAFE FOR JOB TRAINING, UM, REST, YOU KNOW, RESTROOMS AND ALL THAT. A DROP IN SERVICE, A DAYTIME DROP DROP IN SERVICE BECAUSE THE, UM, MENTAL HEALTH AMERICA HAD ONE PRIOR TO THAT AND IT'S AN LI CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS. UM, AND SO, BUT IT NEVER OPENED BECAUSE OF COVID. IT NEVER OPENED AND THEY NEVER [01:00:01] OPENED. BUT, UM, AND THEY'RE LIKE, AND BECAUSE OF YOU JUST SAID TO LIKE, GO TO A TOUR, THEY'RE LIKE, OPEN NOW BECAUSE YOU FOR A TOUR. UM, THEY SAID TO THAT, WE CAN DO, LET'S DO THE TOUR. LET'S JUST, I WAS JUST REACH OUT TO HER. SO I WAS LIKE, HOW IS THERE, REACH OUT TO HER AND THEN WE'LL ASK FOR A TOUR THEY HAVE. I LIKE THAT. I'VE DRIVEN BY IT AND THE FRONT IS STILL CLOSED, BUT THE BACK HAS ALWAYS BEEN OPEN FOR THE OFFICES AT THE STAFF. I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY TELL ME THAT THEY'VE BEEN TO THE DROP IN CENTER, SO I DON'T KNOW IF, IF AND WHEN. SO LET'S TOUR AN UPDATE OF 1955. YEAH, IT'S BEAUTIFUL. I LIKE TOUR AS A VISUAL. YES. AND JUST ASKING, ASKING DIRECT QUESTIONS OF THOSE, PROVIDING THE SERVICES AND YEAH. SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF STEPH HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT HOW TO PROCEDURALLY DO THAT. IS THAT APPROPRIATE TO PUT IT AS A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM OR THE TOUR THROUGH THE COUNCIL WOMAN'S OFFICE? MM-HMM. . SO I WOULD, I MEAN, THIS IS THE FIRST I'M HEARING OF IT. ANYTHING ALONG THE TOUR, I, I CAN'T TELL YOU IF THE COUNCIL WOMAN'S OFFERING THE TOUR, THEN I WOULD PROBABLY GO WITH THAT. I WILL LET PAUL KNOW THAT THIS WAS AN OFFER THAT HAPPEN. JUST BE MINDFUL OF QUORUM. SO PLEASE WAIT. YOU CAN'T GO. MAYBE IT'S A, YOU GUYS BREAK IT UP. IT'S LESS THAN SIX. WE HAVE FIVE. OKAY. YEAH. WHICH IS WHAT WE DID. WHAT'S CULVER CITY? WHEN WE WENT ON THE TOUR, THERE WAS FOUR OF US. I FOUR OR FIVE? YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. IT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE COUNCILWOMAN THAT, HEY, GO SEE IT FOR YOURSELVES. MM-HMM, . UM, ALRIGHT. SO, AND WE'LL ALSO PUT THAT ON A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM. ANY OTHER FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS? I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WAS APPROPRIATE FOR US TO DISCUSS, BUT I KNOW THAT THE COMMUNITY CARE CAMPUS IS SLOWLY OPENING. I KNOW IT'S PRIVATE. I DON'T KNOW. I JUST WENT THERE TO DISCUSS THERE. YEAH. WHAT, WHAT IS COMING ON? 'CAUSE MAYBE IT'S, EVEN THOUGH IT'S LIKE A PRIVATE SERVICE PROVIDER, MAYBE IT'S STILL MORE BEDS YEP. YEAH, IT IS DEFINITELY MORE BEDS. IT'S, IT'S A RECUPERATIVE CARE CENTER. I'VE BEEN THERE A FEW TIMES AND IF SOME RIGHT NOW, RIGHT. IT'S, YEAH, IT'S ALL RECUPERATIVE CARE, SO IT WORKS REALLY WELL. IF SOMEBODY HAS BEEN IN THE HOSPITAL AND THEY'VE BEEN PRETTY MUCH STABILIZED BUT NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THEM TO GO BACK OUT ON THE STREETS, IT'S A GOOD, AND THEY, BUT THEY HAVE TO HAVE MEDI-CAL, THEY HAVE TO HAVE STRAIGHT MEDI-CAL, PRETTY MUCH. THIS IS COMMUNITY HOSPITAL? YEAH, IT'S JUST THAT FRONT AREA, THAT FIRST FLOOR AREA. TRUE BY COMMUNITY HOSPITAL. AND, AND I JUST WONDER WHERE, WHAT'S HAPPENING? RIGHT. 'CAUSE THEY'RE USING PIECES OF IT. WELL, THEY'RE ONLY USING THAT FIRST YEAH. FLOOR AREA. BUT THEY, THEY HOPEFULLY DON'T EXPAND AND USE THE TOWER. YEAH. I WENT TO ONE, LIKE, LIKE INFORMATIONAL THERE AND IT WAS COOL. AND I WAS LIKE, YEAH, THERE'S DEFINITELY POTENTIAL. I MEAN, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, 300 BEDS. THAT'S ALL. LET'S DISCUSS, WE'LL DISCUSS WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT IT AND ANYTHING WE WANT TO KNOW ABOUT IT. ANY OTHER AGENDA ITEMS? ALRIGHT. ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? ONLY THE ONE. ALRIGHT, LET'S ADJOURN THIS MEETING. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.