[00:00:24]
JAMES, THIS IS A HANDHELD TEST.
FOR THOSE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE HERE, WE'RE GONNA BE, UH, STARTING FIVE MINUTES.
WE'RE GONNA TRY TO START IN ABOUT FIVE MINUTES.
WE'RE HAVING A TECHNICAL ISSUE, SO WE'RE TRYING TO WORK IT OUT.
THANKS, COMMISSIONER WISE, YOU WERE MUTED IF I SAW YOU TRYING TO SAY SOMETHING.
[00:05:06]
COMMISSIONER WISE, CAN YOU HEAR ME? IS ANYONE THERE? COMMISSIONER WISE? CAN YOU HEAR ME? I CAN, YEAH, BUT I, I'M NOT SEEING THE CHAMBERS ANYMORE, SO WE TOOK THAT OFFLINE AS WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THE ISSUES.PAUSING FOR ANOTHER ABOUT FIVE MINUTES BEFORE WE CAN TRY AND GET STARTED.
I'M SORRY THAT I HAD TO DO THIS
WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING THROUGH IT.
COMMISSIONER WEISS, CAN YOU HEAR ME?
[00:12:21]
CHECK ONE TWO.COMMISSIONER WISE, CAN YOU HEAR ME? I CAN.
I'M GONNA JUST CHECK THIS OTHER MICROPHONE.
COMMISSIONER WISE, CAN YOU HEAR ME? I CAN.
COMMISSIONER WISE, CAN YOU HEAR ME ON THIS MIC? OKAY.
IS THAT WE DROP IT, TURN IT BACK TO AND FROM.
[CALL TO ORDER]
UM, CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.[ROLL CALL]
PRESENT BY ZOOM.VICE CHAIR COLEMAN AND CHAIR P*****K.
UM, WE HAVE COMMISSIONER COLEMAN AND COMMISSIONER SHOTWELL ARE BOTH EXCUSED.
[00:15:01]
WEISS, CAN YOU PLEASE READ YOUR STATEMENT? YES.UH, PURSUANT TO ASSEMBLY BILL 24 49, I HAVE JUST CAUSED CIRCUMSTANCES AUTHORIZING MY REMOTE PARTICIPATION IN THIS PUBLIC MEETING.
I APPEAR TO HAVE A CONTAGIOUS ILLNESS THAT PREVENTS ME FROM ATTENDING THE MEETING IN PERSON.
THE ONLY INDIVIDUAL 18 YEARS OF AGE OR OLDER WHO MAY BE IN THE ROOM WITH ME AT, AT POINTS IN, IN THIS MEETING, UH, IS MY HUSBAND, ERIC WISE, THANKS TO STAFF AND EVERYBODY FOR HELPING ME, UM, WORK OUT THESE TECHNICALITIES.
UH, ROLL CALL, UH, MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE, RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR THE ETHICS COMMISSION MEETING OF WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 14TH, 2024.
DO I HAVE A MOTION? VE MOVES SECOND.
[1. 24-55159 Recommendation to approve the minutes for the Ethics Commission meeting of Wednesday, August 14, 2024. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]
VE SECONDED BY MORALES.UM, ANY DISCUSSION? I HAVE ONE COMMENT CHAIR.
UH, I WAS THE PERSON WHO ASKED FOR THESE MINUTES TO BE, UM, AMENDED SOMEWHAT, AND I REVIEWED THE POINTS THAT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT AND SAW THAT THE CHANGES WERE MADE.
SO, UM, I WAS PLEASED TO SEE THAT AND THANK THEM FOR, UH, GOING TO THE TROUBLE OF, OF, OF DOING THAT.
I THINK IT MAKES FOR A BETTER RECORD.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? CAN WE MOVE TO A VOTE? JUST CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
IF THERE'S ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WISH TO SPEAK ON ITEM ONE, PLEASE LINE UP AT THE PODIUM, OR IF YOU ARE IN THE ZOOM DIAL, STAR NINE.
COMMISSIONER D BENEDICTUS AYE.
COMMISSIONER OR VICE CHAIR COLEMAN.
[2. 24-55160 Recommendation to approve the minutes for the Ethics Commission meeting of Wednesday, September 11, 2024. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]
RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR THE ETHICS COMMISSION MEETING OF WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 11TH, 2024.MOTION BY MORALES SECOND BY DE BEES.
ANY DISCUSSION? IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? THERE'S ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC IN THE ZOOM MEETING, PLEASE DIAL STAR NINE.
I USE THE RAISED HAND FEATURE, SEEING NONE.
THAT CONCLUDES THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
MOVING TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE, RECOMMENDATION TO DISCUSS THE MARCOLA CENTER FOR APPLIED ETHICS STRATEGIC ROADMAP REPORT AND RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE CITY'S ETHICS PROGRAM.
AND I SEE I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MORALES.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER NOVE.
UM, I, I'D LIKE TO OPEN THE DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM IF I COULD.
UM, THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE MARCOLA CENTER, UM, GOT A FAIR BIT OF DISCUSSION AT OUR SEPTEMBER MEETING.
[00:20:01]
OPPORTUNITY TO REREAD THE RECOMMENDATIONS A NUMBER OF TIMES.UM, AND FROM A MACRO PERSPECTIVE THERE, IT APPEARS
[3. 24-55161 Recommendation to discuss the Markkula Center for Applied Ethics Strategic Roadmap report and recommendations for the City’s Ethics Program. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]
TO ME THAT THIS ACTUALLY IS NOT, AT THE END OF THE DAY, A STRATEGIC PLAN.THE PLAN NEEDS TO INCLUDE IN THEIR RECOMMENDATION, THE ACTION PLAN THAT HAD, THAT THE COMMISSION HAD PUT TOGETHER BACK IN 2020.
AND THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON SINCE WE HAD PUT A PAUSE ON THE ACTION PLAN WHEN WE MADE THE DECISION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF A STRATEGIC PLAN.
AND IT NOW IS BACK TO US TO INCORPORATE THE ACTION PLAN WITH RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE MARCOLA CENTER INTO A FULLY DEVELOPED STRATEGIC PLAN.
UH, I, I BELIEVE TODAY IS THE FIRST OF WHAT WILL HAVE TO BE A SERIES OF MEETINGS BEFORE WE HAVE A FINAL DOCUMENT.
UM, BUT I, I HAVE SET ASIDE AS PRETTY, PRETTY MUCH A, A A, A BIG CHUNK OF THIS MEETING FOR US TO START THAT DISCUSSION.
UM, AND WITH THAT, I WILL HAND THE MICROPHONE TO ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK NEXT.
OH, NO, SHE SAID JUST IN CASE.
AND DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? TURN THAT.
SO I, I AGREE WITH YOU THAT THIS IS MORE OF A ROADMAP, AND I THINK THAT'S WHY THERE WAS SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE LAST TIME AND THAT WE, WE WERE EXPECTING SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE GOT.
BUT I THINK GIVEN THE NEWNESS OF THIS ORGANIZATION AND THEIR FOCUS ON STRUCTURAL DEFICIENCIES WITHIN OUR ORGANIZATION, IT'S APPROPRIATE TO START WITH A, UM, A ROADMAP.
UM, THEN THE, BUT THE QUESTION COMES, HOW DO WE BE MOVE FORWARD WITH INTEGRATING THIS ROADMAP WITH OUR EXISTING ACTION PLAN? AND THEY HAVE RECOMMENDED, MARK HULA HAS RECOMMENDED THAT WE START RELYING ON STAFF MORE TO DO THINGS.
SO, IS ONE THING THAT WE WANT TO DO TODAY ADOPT? UM, WELL, IT'S JUST A DISCUSSION TODAY.
AND WE CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
THERE IS RECOMMENDATIONS THERE.
SO IS ONE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE WANT TO MAKE DIRECTING STAFF TO START INTEGRATING THE ROADMAP WITH OUR ACTION PLAN SO THAT WE CAN THEN COME TOGETHER AS AN ORGANIZATION TO LOOK AT, UM, COMPLETION DATES THAT WE WANT.
AND MAYBE STAFF COULD EVEN GIVE US SOME DRAFT COMPLETION DATES BASED ON THE TIME THAT THEY KNOW THEY HAVE TO WORK ON ACTION ITEMS THAT MAY COME UP IN THE FUTURE.
SO, I AGREE WITH THE, UM, IDEA OF GIVING, TURNING BACK TO STAFF.
YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE, IT WAS A HARD READ FOR ME, UH, 'CAUSE I FEEL THAT THERE'S MANY WEAKNESSES THAT LONG EXISTED BEFORE OUR ATTEMPTS TO CODIFY SEEK POLICY, ET CETERA.
UM, YOU KNOW, I I I LIKE TO LISTEN TO THE FEEDBACK, UH, BUT THERE IS SUCH A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION BETWEEN US AND CITY GOVERNMENT, IT SEEMS. UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S OUR JOB TO, TO, UH, MINE THAT GAP.
BUT THE, UM, UH, WORKING OFF OF YOUR COMMENT, MY BIGGEST CONCERN WOULD BE STAFFING.
UH, WE DON'T SEEM TO, UH, EVEN IF YOU, IF WE WERE TO YIELD MORE, UM, I STILL FEEL
[00:25:01]
THAT THERE'S A, UM, A LACK OF RESOURCES, UM, YOU, UH, DEDICATED TOWARDS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH, WHETHER IT BE FOR SUPPORTING THE, UM, THE OFF THE ETHICS OFFICE.UM, AND I THINK IT TAKES TIME AND MONEY TO EVEN, UH, BRIDGE THOSE GAPS THAT MAY EXIST BETWEEN AUDIT COUNCIL AND HR, ET CETERA.
ALL THESE THINGS TAKE TIME, MONEY, AND ENERGY, BUT LEGS AND LEGS AND ARMS. UH, SO THAT WOULD BE MY, I AGREE WITH YOU, BUT, UH, UM, I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT ALSO WHERE, WHERE WILL IT GO IF WE DO YIELD, UH, MORE TO STAFF? THANK YOU, CHAIR.
UM, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING MUCH TO ADD.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO REVIEW THE ACTION PLAN THAT WE HAVE.
AND I WANTED TO, I WANTED TO REVIEW THAT ALONG WITH THIS REPORT.
UM, SO I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION, HAVE A CONTINUING CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS, UM, BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO RE READ THIS ALONG WITH THE ACTION PLAN THAT THE COMMISSION HAS SET FORTH.
YEAH, I, I HAVE SOME, SOME THOUGHTS.
AND I HAVE TO SAY, I, I THINK IT'S REALLY GOOD THAT WE, UM, ARE HAVING ANOTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS.
AND I AGREE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT IT BECAUSE, UM, I FOUND IT HELPFUL TO JUST HAVE TIME AWAY FROM IT AND THEN, AND THEN COME BACK AGAIN TO IT AS THIS MEETING, UM, UH, CAME UP AND, AND I FELT IN, IN A WAY, UM, THAT SOME OF OUR INITIAL REACTION TO THE PLAN IS, YOU KNOW, THE REAL ANSWER.
YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THAT EXPRESSION DON'T KILL THE MESSENGER.
UM, I FEEL LIKE WE DIDN'T LIKE THE MESSAGE WE GOT BACK, BUT TO ME, WHAT IT TELLS US IS THERE JUST IS A HUGE GAP AS, UH, COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICK JUST USED THE WORD BETWEEN HOW WE HAVE BEEN THINKING AND HOW, UM, ABOUT HOW THE, I'LL JUST SAY THE CITY AS A WHOLE IS THINKING.
AND, AND, AND THAT IS REALLY HARD TO ACCEPT AFTER WE'VE WORKED, YOU KNOW, I FEEL WE, THE COMMISSION HAS WORKED VERY HARD AND VERY CLOSELY WITH SOME MEMBERS OF, OF CITY STAFF.
SO, UM, TO, TO DO THE WORK THAT THAT HAS BEEN DONE.
SO, BUT, BUT GIVEN, SO I THINK WE REALLY DO HAVE TO LOOK AT HOW WE RELATE.
UM, AND IT'S SORT OF ODD THAT WE'RE IN THIS, IN SOME WAYS, THAT WE ARE IN THIS POSITION OF NOT HAVING, ACCORDING TO THE REPORT, THE, THE TRUST OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND, AND I, AND, AND THE, AND CITY HALL.
AND, AND I THINK THAT'S IN PART BECAUSE SINCE CITY COUNCIL VOTED TO PUT THE CHARTER, YOU KNOW, TO PUT THE CHARTER PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENT BEFORE THE CITY, BEFORE THE CITIZENS FOR A VOTE, ALMOST THE ENTIRE CITY COUNCIL HAS, HAS TURNED OVER.
WE ONLY HAVE A COUPLE OF PEOPLE.
UM, AND SOME OF THEM ARE, WILL BE GONE SOON.
UH, UM, WE HAVE VERY FEW THAT OVERLAP WITH, AND, AND THOSE, WHEN THAT, WHEN THAT WAS SUGGESTED, AND, AND I THINK IN THE HISTORY OF ETHICS PROGRAMS IN CITIES, THIS IS, THIS IS NOT UNUSUAL WHEN, WHEN THAT PROGRAM WAS SUGGESTED, IT WAS BECAUSE THE CITY, BECAUSE THE ELECTIVES WERE CONCERNED ABOUT PROBLEMS THAT SOME OF THE ELECTIVES WERE HAVING WITH THEIR ETHICAL CONDUCT.
AND SO THEY WERE MOVED TO, TO DO SOMETHING.
AND THAT HAS NOT, YOU KNOW, THAT HISTORY ISN'T STILL FRESH IN PEOPLE'S MINDS, AND THEY PERHAPS WEREN'T PART OF IT AND OR EXPOSED TO IT VERY MUCH SO.
UM, SO I THINK IT, YOU KNOW, I'M TRYING TO TAKE A REALLY LONG VIEW ABOUT THIS NOW AS I, AS I THINK ABOUT HOW WE SHOULD GO FORWARD.
SO I ACTUALLY THINK, I MEAN, ONE OF THE THINGS I DO THINK IS YES, LET'S GO TO STAFF, OUR STAFF, THE STAFF WE HAVE, AND LET'S GET FEEDBACK FROM THE STAFF.
JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE COMMENTS WAS THAT, WELL, THIS COMMISSION ISN'T BEHAVING LIKE OTHER COMMISSIONS DO, WHICH IS THAT THEY RESPOND TO SUGGESTIONS FROM, FROM STAFF.
WELL, OUR STAFF HAS BEEN PRETTY BUSY PUTTING TOGETHER ALL THIS
[00:30:01]
EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM.AND MEANWHILE, WE HAVE MANAGED TO DO AND MOVE FORWARD ON SOME OTHER THINGS, PRIMARILY, I THINK WITH HELP FROM SOME VERY DEDICATED MEMBERS FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
AND, AND MY, UM, UNDERSTANDING IS, BUT I DO WANT THIS CON CONFIRMED THAT THE WORK THAT THE, THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY IS CURRENTLY DOING WITH THE POLICIES COMMITTEE, I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH THEM.
THAT, THAT, THAT IS, IS HOW THEY WOULD HAVE US WORK ON THAT TYPE OF AN ISSUE.
AND, AND I FEEL THE SAME WAY ABOUT THE, THE LOGGING ISSUE.
I, I MEAN THAT, THAT SUBCOMMITTEE I KNOW WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH, UM, TAYLOR ANDERSON, SHE SEEMED, WAS THE PERSON THAT WAS ASSIGNED.
SO I, I, BUT I WOULD LIKE THAT CONFIRMED BEFORE WE CONTINUE TO, TO PUT THAT TYPE OF EFFORT INTO THINGS AND, AND THEN SAY THAT WE DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, THAT WE WEREN'T, THAT THAT WASN'T, WASN'T PROPER.
BUT AS TO OUR EXISTING STAFF, I DO THINK WE NEED TO FOLD THEM INTO THIS IN WHATEVER IT IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO FOR, GO FORWARD WITH.
AND, AND I WOULD WOULD LIKE TO HEAR BACK FROM THEM AS TO HOW, IF THEY WERE GIVEN THE MARK HULA REPORT AND SAID, WHAT SHOULD WE DO NEXT, UM, GIVEN WHERE WE ARE, BECAUSE I MEAN, I THINK, UM, HEATHER, BECAUSE SHE'S BEEN WITH US FOR A COUPLE YEARS NOW, SHE KNOWS WHERE WE'VE, WHERE WE'VE BEEN AND, AND, AND HOW THIS, THIS WORKS.
WHAT WOULD, WHAT WOULD SHE, HOW WOULD SHE SEE THIS? AND IF THE CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR CAN, CAN, IF SHE WANTS TO TALK WITH THEM OR WITH ANY OF THE REST OF US, SHE CAN, SHE CAN, SHE COULD DO THAT.
WE NEED TO HAVE A, A, UH, SOME SORT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, ADVICE FROM HER ABOUT WHAT KIND OF STAFFING IT WOULD, OR ASSISTANCE SHE WOULD NEED TO, TO, TO DO THAT.
UH, I MEAN, TO DO IT BEYOND WHATEVER SHE'S ABLE TO DO IN A, IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.
UM, AND HEATHER, I'M PROBABLY LUCKY I'M NOT THERE IN PERSON FOR YOU TO PUNCH ME OUT WHEN I SUGGEST THIS, BUT, UM, BUT, BUT I, I DO THINK WE SHOULD, SHOULD SEE HOW THAT, HOW THAT GOES.
AND WE, THAT MAY ACTUALLY, THAT'LL BE SOMETHING THEN WE CAN KNOW AND WORK WITH AS WE, AS WE, UM, AS WE, AS WE GO FORWARD.
SO, UM, THE, THE OTHER, A COUPLE OTHER THINGS THAT I, UM, THOUGHT ABOUT WAS, UM, THAT WE ACTUALLY MAKE AN EFFORT.
THERE WAS TALK ABOUT COMMUNICATION BETWEEN US AND OR THIS COMMISSION AND, UM, THE OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY GOVERNMENT.
AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD FOCUS ON, UM, AND SOONER THAN LATER.
UH, AND, AND LET ME JUST, WE JUST SAY ONE OTHER THING, IF I CAN JUST HAVE A LITTLE MORE TIME HERE.
UM, I THINK THAT, I MEAN, EVERYONE IS VERY FOCUSED ON THE OLYMPICS, BECAUSE THAT IS, IT'S A HUGE DEAL, AND THAT IS GONNA BRING ALL SORTS OF, OF OPPORTUNITIES AND PEOPLE AND VENDORS TO, TO LONG BEACH.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE IT'S ALL, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME BEAUTIFUL THINGS THAT, THAT, THAT COME OUT OF THAT AND SOME, SOME WONDERFUL TIMES.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF, OF RISK ASSOCIATED WITH, WITH ALL OF THAT.
AND, AND SO IN A LOT OF WAYS, I FEEL LIKE GETTING SOME OF THESE THINGS IN PLACE SOONER THAN LATER AND IMPROVING PEOPLE'S ATTENTION TO ETHICAL ISSUES IS, IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN, THAN THAN EVER RIGHT NOW.
SO I, I'LL JUST PUT, PUT THAT OUT THERE AS THE OVERALL CONTEXT IN WHICH WE'RE, THIS COMMISSION IS GONNA BE PART, YOU KNOW, PARTICIPATING OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS THAT THIS STRATEGIC PLAN AND THIS ACTION PLAN GOES FORWARD.
BUT, UM, I, I, I SUGGEST WE THINK ABOUT WAYS TO REACH OUT TO THE DIFFERENT COMMISSIONS, TO THE DIFFERENT CITY DEPARTMENTS AND AND SAY TO THEM, AND MAYBE THIS IS HAPPENING IN HEATHER'S MEETINGS WITH, UM, WITH THE, THE LIAISONS.
I GUESS THEY'RE EVERY MONTH OR SO.
UM, WHAT DO, WHAT DO THEY NEED FROM US? WHAT DO THEY WANT FROM US? WE HAVE, WE HAVE GOTTEN SOME PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT,
[00:35:01]
YOU KNOW, COULDN'T WE HELP THIS COMMISSION OR BECAUSE OF, OF SOMETHING THAT'S HAPPENED THERE THAT SOMEONE DOESN'T THINK IS, IS, WAS APPROPRIATE BEHAVIOR BY A COMMISSIONER OR SOMEONE ELSE? UM, WHAT, WHAT CAN WE, UM, WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT SOME OF THOSE THINGS? WHAT CAN WE DO? WHAT HELP DOES THAT COUNCIL WANT? DO THEY THINK THEY NEED NO HELP WITH ETHICS? HOW COULD WE HELP THEM? UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES THE MAYOR THINK? MAYBE THE MAYOR WOULD COME AND ADDRESS US.I THINK WE, WE SOUGHT THAT SEVERAL TIMES FROM, UM, UH, ALONG THE WAY.
BUT I, I DON'T KNOW THAT, UH, MARGO MAYBE YOU CAN HELP ME HERE.
I'M NOT REMEMBERING THAT THE MAYOR HAS EVER ADDRESSED US, UM, MAYBE AT THE VERY, VERY BEGINNING, BUT, UM, ON, ON WHAT THE, THE ROLE OF THIS COMMISSION SHOULD BE OVER THE NEXT, UH, FIVE YEARS.
SO, UM, ANYWAY, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE MY, UM, REACTIONS TO THIS.
BUT YES, LET'S GET STAFF'S IDEAS AND LET'S KEEP THIS CONVERSATION GOING.
THE NEITHER OF THE MAYORS THAT HAVE BEEN IN OFFICE WHILE WE'VE BEEN IN PLACE HAVE EVER COME TO ADDRESS US.
I BELIEVE TOM, THE CITY MANAGER, MAY HAVE COME TO ONE OF OUR EARLIER MEETINGS, ONE OF OUR VERY, VERY FIRST MEETINGS TO THANK US FOR OUR SERVICE AND GIVE US KIND OF HIS BIRD'S EYE OVERVIEW OF WHERE HE SAW US GOING.
BUT NO ONE FROM THE ELECTED OFFICES HAVE EVER COME THAT I, THAT I CAN REMEMBER.
OH, WELL, I THINK WE SHOULD MAYBE EXTEND SOME, SOME INVITATIONS.
AND, AND, AND ALSO, I, I THINK THAT WHEN, UM, I DON'T THINK, I HAVE TO SAY, I THINK WE PUT A POLICY IN PLACE THAT WE WOULD FILE THESE REPORTS WHENEVER WE SPOKE TO ANYBODY OUTSIDE OF A COMMISSION MEETING
AND THAT WE CAN'T LET THAT STOP US FROM TALKING TO PEOPLE.
UM, EVEN IF WE HAVE TO REPORT IT, I, I THINK WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO DO THAT.
IT'S BECAUSE I THINK WE'VE, WE'RE SORT OF PUTTING OURSELVES WHAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE'RE PUT OURSELVES OFF OR, YOU KNOW, IN PARALLEL TO, OR HO YOU KNOW, HOLDING OURSELVES UP IN SOME WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T SEEM, UM, APPROACHABLE OR, OR WHATEVER.
SO I'M JUST, I THINK THERE'S SOME, SOME, I THINK WE HAVE TO WORK ON OUR COMMUNICATION.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
IT'S NOT PARTICULARLY ORGANIZED, BUT THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS.
ANY OTHER THOUGHTS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? UM, I'LL DEFER TO THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR, BUT I THINK, UH, UH, I'M HEARING, UH, FROM ALL THE COMMISSIONERS THAT WE NEED TO SPEND MORE TIME ON THIS.
I DO THINK THERE'S, UH, WE HAVE SOUNDS LIKE AGREEMENT AMONG US ABOUT, UH, HEARING MORE FROM STAFF.
UH, BUT I ALSO, UH, JUST WANT A PART OF ANY FUTURE WORK.
I THINK WE NEED TO ALSO FOCUS ON THE NEGATIVE RESPONSIBLE, UH, RESPONSES THAT DO SAY THERE'S STILL, UM, GREAT SCORES ON DIVERSITY, BUT TERRIBLE SCORES ON ACCOUNTABILITY AND ENFORCEMENT AND SEEING RESULTS, WHETHER IT BE THE COMMISSION, UH, OR CITY GOVERNMENT AND ITS LEADERSHIP.
CAN I DO AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO SEND THIS BACK TO STAFF TO GET THEIR FEEDBACK ON HOW THEY WOULD SEE US MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS? I MOVED IT.
RAUL, YOU OKAY WITH THAT? YES.
UM, HEATHER, WANNA SAY ANYTHING? HEATHER, DO YOU WANNA ADD ANYTHING BEFORE I DO SOME CLOSING REMARKS ON THIS ISSUE? I, I AGREE.
UM, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T GIVE A, I DIDN'T GIVE A TIMEFRAME THERE, SO I'M THINK I, BECAUSE THE NEXT MEETING IS NOVEMBER.
HEATHER, IS THAT REASONABLE FOR YOU ALL TO COME BACK WITH HOW YOU SEE THIS PLAYING IN WITH THE ACTION PLAN AND HOW WE MOVE FORWARD WITH IT IN NOVEMBER? OR WOULD DECEMBER BE BETTER? I THINK IT'S REASONABLE FOR US TO COME BACK IN NOVEMBER AND, AND SHARE WITH YOU WHAT WE THINK OF YOUR RECOMMENDATION AND HOW WE CAN, AND WHAT MORE TIME WE MIGHT NEED.
BUT I, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THAT I'VE BEEN, I HAVEN'T SPENT MUCH TIME WITH THIS, GIVEN THAT I WAS AWAY.
SO I THINK IN ALL FAIRNESS, IT'S SOMETHING THAT TYLER, JORGE, AND I NEED TO SPEND TIME WITH THE RECOMMENDATION THAT COMES OUT OF THE MEETING TODAY.
[00:40:01]
WE CAN REPORT BACK EITHER WAY, STARTING IN NOVEMBER.HOW ABOUT IF WE DO AN, SO HOW ABOUT IF THE, THE, THE AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION IS THAT WE REFER THIS BACK TO STAFF TO LOOK AT THE REPORT AND THE ACTION PLAN AND COME UP WITH SOME GUIDANCE FOR THE COMMISSION ON WHERE STAFF SEES US MOVING FORWARD, THAT YOU GIVE US AN INTERIM REPORT IN NOVEMBER WITH A FINAL REPORT IN DECEMBER? THAT'S FAIR.
UM, I, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD ONE NOTE THOUGH.
I, I FEEL LIKE THE COMMISSION HAS BEEN PUSHING FORWARD WITH A SENSE OF URGENCY BECAUSE WE DO HAVE AN EXTERNAL AUDIT REPORT THAT IS NOW FIVE YEARS OLD THAT IDENTIFIED A NUMBER OF DEFICIENCIES IN THE CITY'S ETHICS PROGRAM.
THAT'S WHAT LED TO THE ACTION PLAN.
WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED A LOT OF THE PRIMARY DEFICIENCIES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE AUDIT.
WE'VE DONE A LOT ON THE ACTION PLAN.
UM, BUT I STILL FEEL A SENSE OF URGENCY.
UM, AND, AND I THINK WE, AND I KNOW MARCOLA STRUGGLED WITH THE BALANCING BETWEEN THE WAY THAT OTHER COMMISSIONS DO GENERALLY OPERATE WITH THE NEED TO ADDRESS SPECIFIC IDENTIFIED URGENT DEFICIENCIES THAT WERE IN THE AUDIT REPORT.
AND TO COMMISSIONER WISE'S POINT WITH THE OLYMPICS COMING UP, WE REALLY DO WANT TO FINISH A NUMBER OF THE ITEMS THAT ARE STILL ON THE ACTION PLAN, UM, IN TIME TO HAVE THE APPROPRIATE THINGS IN PLACE.
I, I AGREE TOO, TO THE MARCOLA MEETINGS WHERE THEY FOUND THAT ACCOUNTABILITY WAS GIVEN A FAIRLY LOW SCORE, UH, BY, UH, PARTICIPANTS IN THEIR, IN THEIR, UM, IN INTERNAL MEETINGS.
UM, I HAVE A SENSE OF URGENCY ABOUT THAT, AND I HOPE WHATEVER, HOWEVER WE DECIDE TO GO FORWARD, IS GONNA HAVE TO INCORPORATE THAT SENSE.
BUT I DO WANNA GO FORWARD THOUGHTFULLY, UM, MARCOLA IDENTIFY, I HAD TROUBLE FIGURING OUT WHETHER IT WAS THE CHICKEN OR THE EGG FIRST.
UM, THEY WANTED US TO DEFER MORE TO STAFF, BUT THEY IDENTIFIED THE FACT THAT OUR STAFF IS EXTREMELY, UH, LIGHT FOR A CITY THIS SIZE, UH, AND A CITY WORKFORCE OF THIS SIZE.
AND I DON'T WANT TO KILL ANY OF THE PEOPLE
UM, SO IF YOU WOULD TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, I KNOW THAT JORGE WORKED ON, AND I, AND I SAW THAT YOU UPLOADED IT, UM, A REVISED FORMAT FOR THE ACTION PLAN, UM, THAT I THINK WILL WORK WELL, ALTHOUGH TRYING TO GET IT ONTO SO THAT IT WOULD PRINT WITH THE ENTIRE, UH, WIDTH ON ONE PAGE MEANT IT WAS ILLEGIBLE
AND WE JUST NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO, HOW TO, HOW TO GET SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ALL WORK WITH.
UM, BUT, UH, I HAVE SOME, I HAVE SOME IDEAS ABOUT THAT.
SO, UM, WITH THAT, UH, IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR WE'LL LOOK OR PUBLIC COMMENT NEEDED, UNLESS OTHER PEOPLE CAN'T HERE ONE FOR HER TO KEEP? UM, I BRIEFLY LOOKED OVER THE PLAN, THE 38 PAGES.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, I AM SO GRATEFUL TO ALL OF YOU.
AND I GUESS MY HEART ALSO GOES OUT TO ALL OF YOU.
'CAUSE IT FEELS LIKE, AT THIS POINT, I HATE TO SAY IT, IT FEELS LIKE A NO WIN.
UM, THE CITY WANTS AN ETHICS PROGRAM, THEY WANT AN ETHICS COMMISSION, AND YET THEY SORT OF DON'T.
I AM NOT LOOKING FOR A MORALITY POLICE, AN ETHICS POLICE, BUT YOU TALK ABOUT ACCOUNTABILITY.
UM, I THINK ALL OF YOU WERE OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER THE ENRON SCANDAL BACK IN THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS.
IN FACT, THE MARULA CENTER DID A WHOLE BREAKDOWN ABOUT WHAT REALLY WENT WRONG ON ENRON.
[00:45:01]
OF CONDUCT, ALL OF THEIR VIDEOS, THEY WERE PHENOMENAL.THEY SPENT THOUSANDS ON IT DIDN'T, DIDN'T MATTER.
SO, UNLESS CITY COUNCIL, UNLESS EVERY COMMISSIONER REALLY WANTS AN ETHICS PROGRAM AND REALLY WANTS TO BE ACCOUNTABLE, I LOVE YOUR POLICIES.
I LOVE WHAT YOU'RE DOING, BUT IT, IT'S GREAT TO SAY YOU HAVEN'T, AND I THINK MY FIRST TIME HERE, I SAID, SO WHAT CAN YOU DO ABOUT IT? I MEAN, I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS WERE DOING, AND ESSENTIALLY IT WAS, WELL, NOT REALLY ANYTHING.
UM, I HEARD ONE OF THE ATTORNEYS SAY, WELL, WE'LL TAKE A COMMISSIONER AND WE'LL TALK TO THAT COMMISSIONER.
SO I HOPE, I HOPE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL COME.
I HOPE YOU CAN INVITE OTHER COMMISSIONERS TO COME TO THIS MEETING AND UNDERSTAND THAT ETHICS IS NOT IN A SILO.
IT'S EITHER PART OF EVERYTHING THE GOVERNMENT'S GOING TO DO, OR, I, I APPRECIATE YOUR HARD WORK, BUT WHEN MARCOLA TALKED ABOUT ALL THIS ASPIRATIONAL STUFF, WELL, YOU CAN ASPIRE AS MUCH AS YOU WANT, BUT IF PEOPLE KNOW YOU'RE JUST ASPIRING, AND THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
IF THEY DON'T WANNA ASPIRE, THEY JUST DON'T.
FEEL FREE TO READ MARCOLA ENRON, WHAT WENT WRONG.
IS THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? THERE'S ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC IN THE ZOOM? PLEASE USE THE RAISE HAND FEATURE OR DIAL STAR NINE.
WE CAN GO TO A ROLL CALL VOTE.
I F*****G UNMUTE HER REAL QUICK.
COMMISSIONER WEISS, UH, UH, I THINK THE FIX IS NOT A FIX.
CAN YOU HEAR US? IT SAYS IT'S NOT ALLOWING ME TO UNMUTE.
CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YEAH, WE CAN HEAR YOU NOW.
COMMISSIONER D BENEDICTUS? AYE.
UM, IT APPEARS THAT THE, THERE MAY BE A FIX TO OUR IT ISSUE.
SO WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A SHORT RECESS WHILE THEY FIGURE OUT IF THE FIXED FIXED THE PROBLEM.
CAN YOU HEAR ME CHAIR WISE? CAN YOU HEAR ME? CHECK ONE TWO, CHAIR WISE.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? CHECK ONE, TWO, CHECK ONE, TWO.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? CHECK ONE TWO CHAIR WISE.
[00:50:12]
MIC CHECK.CAN YOU HEAR ME? HELLO? HELLO? SO LUISA IS GONNA MIC CHECK, MIC CHECK.
COMMISSIONER, CAN YOU HEAR ME? AND THEN WE GET HELLO? HELLO? HELLO? MY CHECK.
HELLO, HELLO, HELLO? HELLO? HELLO? HELLO? MY CHECK.
HELLO? CHECK ONE, TWO, CHECK, CHECK, CHECK.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? COMMISSIONER? EXCUSE ME.
DOES SHE KNOW YOU'RE TALKING TO HER? CHECK ONE, TWO.
COMMISSIONER WISE, CAN YOU HEAR ME? I, I THINK YOU JUST SPOKE TO ME, BUT, UM, IT IS VERY HARD TO UNDERSTAND YOU, COMMISSIONER WISE.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? CHECK, CHECK.
THURSDAY, CHECK ONE, TWO, CHECK.
COMMISSIONER WISE, CAN YOU HEAR ME? ARE YOU SPEAKING TO ME? YES.
COMMISSIONER WISE, CAN YOU HEAR ME? OR IS IT COMING IN VERY, I CAN BARELY UNDERSTAND ALL THE SPEECH THAT'S COMING THROUGH IS GARBLED KIND OF.
WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO CHECK THE MICROPHONES ON THE DAAS.
SO, UM, YEAH, IF YOU, UH, YEAH, YOUR VOICE IS VERY, VERY CLEAR.
IT'S CLEAR, BUT YOU CAN'T, THE OTHER VOICES ARE VERY GARBLED.
OKAY, THAT WAS NOT TRUE BEFORE.
CHECK ONE, TWO, CHECK, CHECK, CHECK.
I BELIEVE THEY'RE TRYING TO ADJUST THE AUDIO.
CHECK ONE, TWO, COMMISSIONER WISE, IF IT EVER BECOMES CLEARER, COULD YOU GIMME A THUMBS UP? CHECK ONE, TWO.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE SPEAKING RIGHT NOW IS VERY CLEAR.
COMMISSIONER WISE, CAN YOU HEAR
[00:55:01]
ME FROM HERE? COMMISSIONER WEISS? SUSAN, CAN YOU HEAR ME? THIS IS MARGO.SUSAN, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YEAH, I CAN.
UH, WHAT HAPPENED WAS, I, WHEN I, I HAD STARTED HAVING A COUGHING FIT.
I WENT TO, I, I MUTED MYSELF WHEN I CAME BACK.
UM, AND THE SYSTEM WOULDN'T ALLOW IT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WHERE THE TROUBLE STARTED, BUT COMMISSIONER WEISS, CAN YOU HEAR ME FROM HERE? NOPE.
COMMISSIONER WISE, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YEAH, SEE SHE CAN.
SUSAN, CAN YOU HEAR US? YOU WILL HAVE TO COME UP HERE TO TELL.
I CAN HEAR THAT SHE HEARD LONNIE.
COMMISSIONER WISE, CAN YOU HEAR ME? I CAN THANK YOU.
NOW, UM, OUR, OUR PRIMARY FOCUS TODAY IS ON 4.10.
IS THAT CORRECT? DO WE NEED A MOTION FOR SECOND? YEAH, I JUST WANNA, WE HAVE A MOTION, UH,
[4. 24-55162 Recommendation to provide feedback to the Ad Hoc Committee on Updated Policies regarding the draft Ethics Ordinance proposed to date. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]
WE'LL NEED A SECOND.WE HAVE A MOVED BY COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICTUS, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MORALES.
UH, I'M PREPARED TO RECEIVE ANY COMMENTS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE ON 4.10 AND, UH, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU WANT ME TO PROVIDE A REPORT FOR OUR AD HOC AT THIS TIME AFTER RECEIVING COMMENTS OR LATE AT A LATER TIME.
W WHY DON'T WE START WITH THE COMMENTS? OKAY.
SO I'M GONNA BE HONEST, I'VE BEEN AWAY MOST OF SEPTEMBER ACTUALLY, ALL OF SEPTEMBER.
I, WE DIDN'T RECEIVE AN ATTACHMENT, DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO LOOK AT IT, SO I HAVE NO COMMENTS.
SO ANY, BUT IF ANYBODY HAS ANY COMMENTS ON THE DONATION, SPONSORSHIP AND FUNDRAISING SECTION, UM, I'M PREPARED TO TAKE NOTES NOW AND IF NOT, AS YOU KNOW, UM, YOU'LL HAVE OPPORTUNITY NEXT MONTH AND THE FOLLOWING MONTH TO PROVIDE COMMENT.
UM, I, I HAVE A FEW COMMENTS I COULD MAKE TODAY.
SO THIS IS ON, ON, UM, DONATIONS, RIGHT? YES.
AND IS THIS A NEW SECTION FOR LONG BEACH OR IS THIS AN OLD SECTION? DO YOU KNOW? I BELIEVE IT, IT, IT, I BELIEVE IT CURRENTLY EXISTS.
UM, I ASKED THAT SAME QUESTION AT THE SEPTEMBER MEETING, AND MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT THE DONATIONS PART WAS AN AR RATHER THAN A, THAN THE MUNICIPAL CODE.
THE, UM, WELL, I DON'T WANT TO, UH, BE INCORRECT.
I RECALL THAT COUNSEL HAD PROVIDED THIS TO US AND, AND, UH, SO I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE ORIGIN.
I DO KNOW THAT THE SECTION ON FUNDRAISING IS NEW.
OH, MAYBE HE, MAYBE IT WAS, MAYBE COUNCIL CAN HELP US WITH THAT.
ANITA, DONATIONS, SPONSORSHIPS AND FUNDRAISING.
IS THERE A CURRENT SECTION OF THE MUNICIPAL CODE FOR ALL THREE? OR MAYBE I GOT THE TWO CONFUSED.
I KNOW ONE OF THEM, AS I UNDERSTOOD IT FROM THE LAST MEETING, WAS AN AR RATHER THAN A MUNICIPAL CODE SECTION.
[01:00:01]
TO YOU ON THAT.WELL I, SO I, I THINK I ASKED THIS QUESTION LAST WEEK AND I, OR LAST MONTH, AND I BELIEVE WE WERE GONNA GET SOMETHING, BUT I DIDN'T SEE IT.
I IN, BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE, ISN'T THIS WHERE THE PRIORITY FUNDING IS MENTIONED AND WE WERE GONNA GET SOME SORT OF A, I MEAN, I KNOW THAT IT WAS EXPLAINED THAT THAT'S THE WHAT, THE DIVIDE BY NINE.
DIVIDE BY NINE, RIGHT? UM, SET PROGRAM IS, BUT, BUT THIS CHAPTER'S GONNA HAVE TO HAVE A, A DEFINITION OF THAT, OF THAT.
'CAUSE IT'S USED IN THE, IN THE TEXT OF THIS SECTION.
SO I THINK WE'RE STILL, THAT IS STILL, THAT IS IS, UM, YET TO COME.
UM, SO THAT'S, UM, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
I DO RECALL THAT ON THE, ON THE, UH, RECORDING AND I SHOULD HAVE, UH, RESEARCHED THAT PRIOR TO THIS MEETING.
UH, WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS A DEFINITION.
UH, I KNOW THAT AS WE KNOW WITH THE USE OF RESOURCES AND SOME OF THE OTHER, THERE, OTHER, SOME, SOME SMALLER, UM, SUB CHAPTERS.
I'LL SAY THAT THERE ARE ARS THAT CURRENTLY EXIST, BUT OURS, UM, WE'RE HOPING THAT THESE OBVIOUSLY SUPERSEDE BUT DO NOT CONFLICT.
UM, A COUPLE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DEFINITION OF DONATION.
UM, AND THEN ANOTHER THING IS, IS A DONATION TO BE DISTINGUISHED FROM A GRANT.
UM, AND I ASSUME IT IS, BUT I, I JUST THOUGHT MAYBE THAT SHOULD BE THOUGHT ABOUT IN CONNECTION WITH INSPECTION.
UM, IN, UM, IN ITEM NUMBER, WHAT IS THIS? SO IN THE GENERAL PROVISIONS FOUR POINT 10.020 GENERAL PROVISIONS, UM, PARAGRAPH SEVEN, UM, IT CALLS OUT, UM, CERTAIN COMMISSIONS, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, CULTURAL HERITAGE COMMISSION STAFF OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.
UM, THEY'RE NOT AUTHORIZED TO SOLICIT THE DONATIONS TO THE CITY.
DOES THAT MEAN OTHER DEPARTMENTS ARE, OR ANYWAY, THAT WASN'T CLEAR TO ME WHETHER THEIR, THEIR NAMES ARE BEING LISTED AS EXAMPLES OR WHETHER IT, THAT ONLY APPLIES TO THEM.
AND THIS, WELL, I JUST, THIS IS JUST A, A SORT OF EDITORIAL REMARK, BUT, UM, I THINK THERE'RE GOING TO BE LOTS OF DONATIONS DURING THE, AS THE OLYMPICS GET CLOSER.
SO I THINK THIS SECTION COULD BECOME MORE IMPORTANT, UM, IN, UM, PROCEDURES.
PART C UNDER, UM, FOUR POINT, THAT SAME PART STILL 0.020 OF THIS SECTION.
UM, I, THE FIRST, THE FIRST PARAGRAPH TALKS ABOUT, UM, HOW DONATE DISTINGUISHES BETWEEN HOW DONATIONS ARE 5,000 OR LESS AND OR ABOVE 5,000 WILL BE HANDLED.
AND, UM, I, I JUST, I, AND I SEE THAT IT, IT, UM, HAD THE CITY MANAGER CONSULT WITH THE CITY AUDITOR AND THE, THE CITY'S OFFICE OF ETHICS AND TRANSPARENCY.
I THINK THAT'S A GREAT, UM, THE GREAT, I THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.
UM, UM, BUT, BUT I, UM, I JUST WANTED TO BE SURE THAT THAT WAS IN ACCORD WITH WHAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE COMMISSION AND THE DEPARTMENT, THE DEPARTMENT'S AUTHORITY OR WHATEVER IS AT THIS POINT.
SO, UM, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T REQUIRE THAT THE, UM, THE CONSULTATION, THE, THE ADVICE OF THE AUDITOR OR THIS OFFICE OF ETHICS AND TRANSPARENCY BE, BE, UM, ADOPTED.
SO, BUT THAT'S ONE THING I THOUGHT ABOUT.
UM, AND THEN, UM, I, I ADD TO THE, UM, THE SECTION ON, UH, BEHEST FOUR POINT 0.030.
UM, THERE'S A, ABOUT, THERE'S A PROVISION IN B ABOUT THE OFFICE HOLDER FILING A FORM 8 0 3 WITH THE CITY CLERK.
AND I WONDERED WHETHER I, I THINK THEY ARE, THOSE ARE, UM, SOMETHING YOU CAN
[01:05:01]
FIND ON THE WEBSITE, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SPECIFICALLY WANNA, WANNA SAY THAT, SO THAT, THAT IT CAN BE, THAT THE INFORMATION, UM, CAN BE PUBLIC.AND, UM, I THINK THOSE ARE ALL THE COMMENTS I HAD FOR NOW.
UM, I HAD ONE OTHER QUESTION, WHICH IS, I'M NOT SURE, AND I, I THOUGHT MAYBE SOMEONE COULD ON STAFF WOULD KNOW WHETHER I HAD SOME COMMENTS TO THE EARLIER SECTIONS IN, UM, 4.07 AND 4.08, AND I'M NOT SURE THAT I EVER GAVE THOSE.
UM, SO IF I HAVEN'T, UM, LET ME KNOW AND I'LL SUBMIT THOSE TO YOU IN WRITING.
UM, BEFORE WE TAKE OTHER COMMENTS, UM, WE'LL REMEDY THE, UH, SECTION ON PRIORITY, UH, FUNDING AND, UM, THE, YOU SAID THE, THE DISCOUNTED, UH, DRAMATIC, YOU KNOW, THE DRAMATICALLY DISCOUNTED REDUCED, WE WERE TALKING, WE CONTEMPLATED USING, UM, FAIR MARKET VALUE.
WE WEREN'T SURE IF THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD, UH, TAKE A LOOK AT.
SO THAT IS, UM, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THE LANGUAGE THERE.
UM, WE'RE, WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT CONFLICTS BETWEEN THIS SECTION AND OUR GIFTS, SO YOU RAISE A GOOD POINT ON GRANTS ALSO BEING DISCUSSED IN THIS, THIS AS A NEW CONCEPT.
SO WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT TO RECONCILE.
UM, AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD PUT ON CONTEMPLATING THE OLYMPICS, THAT THIS SECTION, WE MIGHT WANNA LOOK, UH, THINK BROAD MORE BROADLY ABOUT THE TYPES OF GIFTS OR, UM, SCENARIOS THAT COULD HAPPEN.
UM, AND THEN YOUR, THE SECTION ON PROCEDURES THAT YOU COMMENT ON THAT IS A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE INVOLVE, UH, THE OFFICE OF ETHICS AND TRANSPARENCY.
SO THAT, THAT IS ABSOLUTELY NEW.
AND, UM, WE'LL KEEP TRACK OF ALL OF YOUR, YOUR COMMENTS.
I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE MISSED YOUR, 'CAUSE I RECALL THAT MEETING.
I'M NOT SURE WE EVER COLLECTED YOUR COMMENTS, UM, ON SECTIONS SEVEN, SECTION SIX AND SEVEN PRO.
AND, UM, AND IF I MAY, I HAVE ONE OTHER, THIS IS JUST, UM, SORT OF EDITORIAL MM-HMM.
BUT, UM, UM, UM, GENERAL PROVISION B UM, NUMBER 10, UM, DONATIONS SHALL NOT BE USED TO IMPLEMENT NEW UNBUDGETED PROGRAMS OR PROGRAMS. OH, I SEE.
WITHOUT A WHAT? WITHOUT A PERMANENT SOURCE OF REVENUE? UH, WELL, I THINK THE WORD WITHOUT IS SUPPOSED TO BE, UNLESS I THINK IT'S TRYING TO SAY THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO NEW PROGRAMS ON UNBUDGETED PROGRAMS. I, I, I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT THAT'S TRYING TO SAY, BUT IT DOESN'T, IT, IT IS NOT MAKING SENSE THE WAY IT READS.
I THINK THE IDEA IS IT'S NOT GONNA, YOU CAN'T TAKE DONATIONS TO SUPPORT SOMETHING THAT THERE ISN'T A BUDGET TO JUST KEEP, TO KEEP GOING OR THAT'S BEEN IDENTIFIED TO KEEP IT GOING.
IS IT POSSIBLE FOR THE AD HOC, UM, TO PROVIDE THE ACTUAL DOCUMENT THAT WE'RE REVIEWING? THERE WAS NO ATTACHMENT TO THE AGENDA AND, UM, NOWHERE DOES IT SAY 4.10.
AND EVEN WITH THE, THE, THE DOCUMENT THAT WAS PROVIDED TWO DAYS AGO, ALL THE FEEDBACK, IT DOESN'T EVEN HAVE 4.10 ON IT.
SO I WASN'T SURE WHAT WE WERE COVERING.
SO WE HAD, UH, ALL OF THE SECTIONS IN THIS, UH, ATTACHED TO THE SEPTEMBER AGENDA, RIGHT? AND 4.10 WAS ON THE SEPTEMBER AGENDA, BUT WE HELD IT OVER TO THIS MEETING BECAUSE WE WERE RUNNING OUT OF TIME.
SO BOTH THE COMPREHENSIVE 4.00 TO 4.09 OR YEAH OH NINE, UH, WAS ONE AGENDA ITEM IN SEPTEMBER.
AND THEN 4.10 WAS THE SECOND ITEM ON THE AGENDA LAST TIME.
WE PUT THE OVERALL ZERO TO 10 ON THIS AGENDA TO RECAPTURE IF ANYONE HAD NOT HAD AN OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE 4.10 WAS ON THE AGENDA FOR THE FIRST TIME, LAST TIME, AND WE HAD AGREED ORIGINALLY
[01:10:01]
TO HAVE TWO READINGS.UM, SO THAT'S WHERE THEY, THEY ARE.
BUT, UH, WHEN WE'RE DONE WITH ALL OF THE COMMENT, I THINK WE'LL LOOK AT A NEW SCHEDULE.
AND IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE CHANCE TO TAKE A LOOK AT 4.10 THERE, I BELIEVE THERE WILL BE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE INPUT.
WILL WE GET A FINAL PROPOSED DRAFT OF EVERYTHING EVEN AFTER THE ENTIRE PROCESS IS OVER? I BELIEVE THE SCHEDULE WAS THAT IN JANUARY WE WOULD HAVE A COMPLETE DRAFT AND THEN WE'D HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY, BECAUSE THEN WE'D HAVE ALL OF THE DEFINITIONS, WHICH RELATE TO SO MANY DIFFERENT SECTIONS.
BUT THE HOPE IS THAT WE CAN CAPTURE AS MANY COMMENTS IN ADVANCE OF THAT NEAR FINAL, UM, AS WE CAN GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS MONTH BY MONTH.
AND COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICTUS, IS THAT STILL SEXUAL? YEAH.
UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? I DO.
WELL, WHY DON'T WE GO WITH THOSE THEN? UH, I'LL GIVE A, A RECAP OF, UH, WHERE WE'RE GOING ON OUR SCHEDULE.
UM, 4.10, 0.020, SECTION B POINT I WAS LOOKING AT TWO AND SIX.
UM, AND, AND, AND WHAT I WAS TRYING TO RECONCILE IN MY MIND IS HOW WE WOULD DIFFER ASIDE FROM THE $5,000 THRESHOLD WHERE THERE'S ADDITIONAL PROCESSES.
UM, AS YOU'RE PROBABLY AWARE, ON THE CITY WEBSITE FOR THE ANIMAL SHELTER, THERE IS A BUTTON IF SOMEONE WANTS TO DONATE, UM, THERE'S A WAY TO DONATE TO MAKE FINANCIAL DONATIONS.
THERE'S ALSO, UH, AN INDICATION THAT YOU CAN ANONYMOUSLY PUT THINGS IN BINS AT THE SHELTER, OR YOU CAN GO TO THE SHELTER'S WISHLIST ON AMAZON OR CHEWY AND HAVE THINGS SENT DIRECTLY TO THE SHELTER.
I SUSPECT THERE ARE OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY, MAYBE THE, THE HOMELESS, UH, SERVICES GROUP.
UM, AND, AND, AND I'M NOT SURE WE'VE CAPTURED THE NUANCES THERE, PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO THE SHELTER.
YOU, YOU COULD GO ON AMAZON AND MAKE A CONTRA AND BUY THINGS OVER $5,000, UM, AND THEY'D JUST BE DELIVERED TO THE SHELTER.
UM, WE DID ALSO, YOU, YOU MAY BE AWARE, HAVE A SITUATION WHERE AN, UH, A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC, UH, WORKING WITH THE HOMELESS SERVICES GROUP IN IN PUBLIC HEALTH, UH, MADE A VERY SUBSTANTIAL DONATION OF 2000 POUNDS OF FOOD, UH, TO BE USED THROUGH HOMELESS SERVICES FOR PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS WHO HAVE, UH, PETS A A AND I THINK, I THINK MAYBE WE NEED SOME TWEAKS TO DEAL WITH THOSE TWO SITUATIONS.
ONE WAS QUITE PUBLICIZED AND NAMED, AND THE OTHER IS, IT IS POSSIBLE FOR PEOPLE TO JUST SHIP THINGS AND, UH, OF WHATEVER VALUE.
UM, I'D APPRECIATE IF YOU'D TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
UH, C THERE'S SOME WORDS MISSING, OR A SENTENCE MISSING.
ONE MORE TIME ON THE CITATION.
ON UNDER PROCEDURES OR UNDER 1 0 0 3.
DONATIONS AND SPONSORSHIPS USING PRIORITY FUNDING.
UM, IT SAYS FOUR POINT 11, BUT I THINK IT'S FOUR POINT 10.
AND THEN SECTION C, UH, THE CITY MUST RECEIVE PUBLIC SERVANTS MUST ALWAYS, I JUST THINK THERE'S SOME WORDS MISSING.
AND THEN IN, UH, OH FIVE, UH OH, THE LAST SENTENCE OF THE FIRST PARAGRAPH.
I THINK THERE'S SOME WORDS MISSING.
AND IT WAS IN SECTION B THAT YOU HAD THE, YOU SAW
[01:15:01]
THE PROBLEMS IN IT BEING INCOMPLETE.THE CITY MUST RECEIVE PUBLIC SERVANTS.
UM, AS TO, UH, YOU MENTIONED THE OTHER CHARITABLE, WE, WE NOTICED QUITE A FEW CHARITABLE, UH, MENTIONS AND WEBSITES, UM, UH, ON THE CITY, UH, WEBSITE.
AND I AM, WE DID NOT KNOW IF THIS WOULD, SHOULD JUST BE AN OVERARCHING ORDINANCE AND IT, OR DO WE NAME THOSE THAT ARE ALREADY ESTABLISHED, BUT THIS IS GONNA BE, I, I THINK IT'S DYNAMIC, SO I'M NOT SURE.
DO WE MENTION HOMELESSNESS? THE, THE, THE ANIMALS? I'M NOT SURE HOW WE HANDLE THAT.
I THINK OVERARCHING WOULD BE GREAT.
AND THEN THE, THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS WILL HAVE TO, MAY HAVE TO, UH, MODIFY THEIR WEBSITE OR THEIR APPROACH, BUT I'LL DEFER TO THE AD HOC AS TO WHAT'S REALLY DOABLE.
I, IS IT A GOOD TIME TO REPORT NOW WHERE WE'RE GOING? YES.
SO WE THANK, WE THANK EVERYBODY FOR THE COMMENTS.
I, I SEE SOME OF YOU HAVE IT PRINTED OUT.
THE COMMENTS, UH, OF COURSE TODAY'S COMMENTS WILL ALSO BE ADDED.
UH, BUT WE'RE AT 108 COMMENTS AND I'M SURE THAT WE'VE MISSED A FEW.
UH, SPECIAL THANKS TO LILIANA FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER.
'CAUSE WE HAVE BEEN STRUGGLING WITH MANY, MANY NOTES AND, UH, AND RE-REVIEWING.
BUT, UH, SHE'S DONE A VERY GOOD JOB, I THINK, AT CAPTURING A LION'S SHARE OF THEM.
UH, I DO WANT TO TASK YOU ALL THAT IF YOU DO SEE SOMETHING THAT'S MISSING, UH, 'CAUSE IT'S PROBABLY EASIER FOR YOU TO LOOK AT YOUR OWN NOTES AND ADD TO.
UH, BUT WE, WE WILL TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, WE'VE TRIED TO CAPTURE AS ALL, ALL THE COMMENTS, INCLUDING PUBLIC.
UM, SO IT'S OUR HOPE THAT IN NOVEMBER THAT WE PROVIDE YOU A FINAL COMPLETE COPY THAT, UH, WILL BE, UM, THAT'LL PROBABLY TAKE DOWN A TREE OR TWO, BUT IT WILL BE, UM, A CLEAN COPY.
IT PROBABLY WILL NOT FIX ALL THE ERRORS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN MENTIONING AND SEEING, BUT YOU WILL GET THE WHOLE DOCUMENT, UH, WITH MOST OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'VE MADE.
UH, ONE OF OUR, UH, UM, THE AD HOC HAS AGREED TO MEET AT THE END OF THIS MONTH TO TRY TO TICK THROUGH ALL THE CURRENT 108, UH, COMMENTS AND FEEDBACK AND LOOKING AT THE DEFINITIONS.
'CAUSE AS YOU ALL KNOW, THE DEFINITIONS WILL PROBABLY NOT BE, UM, WILL NOT SETTLE TO FINAL INK TILL, UH, CLOSER TO THE BEGINNING OF NEXT YEAR.
'CAUSE WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH IT ALL.
BUT IF WE ARE SUCCESSFUL IN THAT MEETING, THE READ THAT YOU WILL HAVE IN NOVEMBER WILL BE FAIRLY DECENT.
UH, AND THEN THAT IS WHEN WE EXPECT YOU ALL TO, UH, SPEND TIME AND LOOKING AT IT.
UH, AND I, I KNOW FOR MYSELF, I PREFER TO LOOK AT SOMETHING THAT IS BIG AND WHOLE AND YOU CAN MOVE THROUGH IT.
UM, THE HOPE WOULD BE YOU'LL GET IT IN PRINT.
UH, I DON'T, I, I THINK IT, IT'S HELPFUL TO ME.
I HAD TO ENLARGE THIS MYSELF TO READ IT.
UH, BUT, AND THEN ON TOP OF IT, THE ELECTRONIC COPY, 'CAUSE YOU WILL FIND THAT IT IS SO BIG YOU WILL WANT TO SEARCH AND ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH THE DEFINITIONS.
SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN KIND OF WORK WITH AS DRAFT, WITH MA UH, WITH, UH, WATER WATERMARK.
UM, I KNOW THAT, UM, I DID, I WAS NOT ABLE TO ATTEND ONE OF THE AD HOC MEETINGS 'CAUSE I WAS OUT OF OFFICE.
BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT, UM, ANOTHER PRAYER IS THAT WE WILL HAVE, UM, AS WE ENTER THE HOLIDAYS AND THE TURN OF THE YEAR, THAT STAFF WILL, UH, AND THE AD HOC WILL THEN SEEK COMMENT FROM OTHER CONSTITUENTS, OTHER DEPARTMENTS POSSIBLY FOR, UH, THOUGHTS AND FEEDBACK.
'CAUSE I, THERE'S SOME OBVIOUSLY RECONCILING, UM, EVERYBODY HAS NOTED WHERE THERE'S A, A TITLE PROBLEM OR WHERE WE NEED TO HAVE AGREEMENT.
UH, 'CAUSE AS I MENTIONED, SOME THINGS ARE RECOMMENDATIONS AND SOME THINGS OBVIOUSLY NEED TO BE, UM, LOOKED AT BY OTHERS.
UH, SO THAT BY JANUARY YOU ACTUALLY, IF WE CAN GET FEEDBACK FROM EVERYBODY IN BY, BY DECEMBER, UH, THE GIFT WILL BE JANUARY AND THAT IS THAT WE WOULD BE CLOSER TO FINAL TO, TO SUBMIT.
[01:20:01]
DO YOU THINK YOU'LL NEED FOR THE NOVEMBER AGENDA? IS THAT CON YOU, IF YOU HAVE 108 COMMENTS,IF YOU COULD JUST LET ME KNOW.
SO I CAN BE SURE TO RESERVE, IT'S GONNA BE A CHALLENGE FOR US TO, TO, TO GET AS THROUGH AS MUCH AS WE CAN, BUT WE'LL DO, WE'LL DO OUR BEST AND MAYBE WE CAN, UM, SOMEHOW DISPLAY WHAT WE HAVEN'T, UM, BEEN ABLE TO RESOLVE.
AND, UH, THAT MIGHT MAKE IT EASIER FOR YOU ALL TO, UH, KNOW WHAT WE, WHAT'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL, BUT DO NOT HOLD BACK ON GIVING OTHER COMMENTS.
UM, AND IT, I, WE EXPECT MORE AND MORE ITERATIONS.
MAY I, MAY I ASK A QUESTION OF THE, UM, AD HOC? YES.
UM, ARE YOU ARE WORKING CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IS WORKING WITH YOU ON THIS AND PROVIDING SOME OF THE MATERIALS TO YOU? IS THAT RIGHT? UH, TO AN EXTENT.
UH, COUNSEL HAS ATTENDED THE ONE MEETING THAT I, I ATTENDED THIS LAST.
UM, WE DO NEED, UH, COUNCIL'S HELP.
I THINK FOR, AS WE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE COME UP TODAY ON THE ORIGIN, BECAUSE AS I THINK WE, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, PREVIOUS COUNCIL HAD DONE SUCH A LINE SHARE WORK ON THIS.
UM, THEY HAD DRAFTED MOST OF IT AND WANTED THEN THE ETHICS COMMISSION'S, VIEWPOINTS ON THESE AREAS IN THE AREAS WE THOUGHT NEEDED EXPANDING.
UM, SO WE'RE, WE, WE WILL NEED TO RELY ON THEM HEAVILY.
IT'S, AND CERTAINLY FOR THE FINAL REVIEWS, UM, WELL THIS, IT GOES BACK PARTLY TO THE, UM, SOME OF THE COMMUNICATION ISSUES THAT WERE, UM, PART, PART OF THE MARCOLA REPORT, UH, WITH BOTH THIS AND THE, THE LOBBYING ORDINANCE BECAUSE THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HAS BEEN SO INVOLVED.
I I'M, I I KNOW THAT IT'S LEAST IT'S ANTICIPATED.
I THINK THAT, THAT THIS ITEM WILL BECOME A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE ETHICS COMMISSION.
BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ARE INVOLVED IN THESE THINGS, I'M WONDERING IS IT APPROPRIATE OR HOW THAT, THAT THERE BE AN ACCOMPANYING MEMO FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ABOUT THE APPROPRIATENESS? I MEAN, I, I I, I GUESS I'M, I'M TRYING TO, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE SHOULD RELATE TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IN TERMS OF PROPOSING LEGISLATION TO THE COUNCIL.
AND IT MAYBE DOESN'T JUST RELATE TO THIS ISSUE, BUT, UM, I'LL, I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT BECAUSE I MAY BE GOING TOO OFF TOPIC HERE.
BUT, UM, IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A CONCERN I HAVE IN TERMS OF ALIGNING OUR WORK WITH, I THINK IT'S A SHARED CONCERN.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF CHICKEN AND EGG AND, UH, WE DO NEED HELP.
UM, I ESPECIALLY WE, I, WE DON'T, WE DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO, I MEAN WE DO HAVE ACCESS TO ARS UH, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A LOT OF THE INFORMATION AND THE STRUCTURE AND CERTAINLY NOT PROCEDURALLY ON HOW SOME OF THESE THINGS SUCH AS CHARITABLE GIVING AND, AND SOME THINGS HAPPEN.
UH, WE HAVE ONLY THE ORIGINAL DRAFT PROVIDED TO US FROM COUNSEL.
I CAN, UM, I COULD MAYBE ANSWER ANY LEGAL QUESTIONS THAT ARE PROVIDED TO US IN RELATION TO THIS MUNICIPAL CODE DRAFT AND HAPPY TO DO SO.
UM, SO ANYTHING THAT THE, UH, ETHICS COMMISSION AD HOC NEEDS ON THIS ITEM RELATED TO ANY RESEARCH OR DEFINITIONS, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR OFFICE IS CERTAINLY PREPARED TO DO SO.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE AD HOC.
UM, WILL THE, WILL THE, UM, DRAFT THAT WE RECEIVE IN NOVEMBER ALSO INCLUDE THE EXISTING PORTIONS THAT THE CITY HAS? OR ARE WE JUST GONNA LOOK AT ONE SEPARATE DOCUMENT THAN WHAT'S ALREADY EXISTS IN THE CITY? WITH EXCEPTION TO THE LOBBYING? I DON'T THINK THERE'S MUCH THAT EXISTS.
UH, THE CODE OF CONDUCT, UH, SOMEONE MENTIONED, SOMEONE MENTIONED DONATIONS, THAT THERE'S SOMETHING ON DONATIONS.
WILL YOU BE INTEGRATING THAT OR IS ARE WE LOOKING AT SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT? SO IF THERE'S EXISTING CITY POLICY, WILL WE SEE THAT SO THAT WE CAN SEE HOW THE CHANGES CORRECT.
[01:25:01]
SOMETHING YOU FOR YOU TO GO BACK AND TALK TO COMMISSIONER SHOTWELL ABOUT? OKAY.I, IT'S, THAT'S A BIG UNDERTAKING.
I'M JUST, NO, I THINK IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
'CAUSE UH, I, AGAIN, UM, WE'RE WORKING WITH THE ORIGINAL DRAFT PROVIDED.
UM, I DO KNOW THAT MUCH OF IT DID EXIST, BUT IT'S SOURCE DOCUMENT THAT I DON'T KNOW.
I KNOW THAT I'VE FOUND MY OWN SOURCE DOCUMENTS ON MY OWN, LIKE WITH USE OF RESOURCES AND OUTSIDE ACTIVITIES, BUT NOT MUCH ELSE.
I, I GUESS AT A MINIMUM WILL NEED TO KNOW WHAT SECTIONS OF THE MUNICIPAL CODE WILL DISAPPEAR.
IN OTHER WORDS, THIS WILL BE REPLACING.
SO WE DON'T NECESSARILY, IF YOU TRY TO PRINT OUT ALL OF THE SECTIONS OF THE MUNI CODE THAT RELATE TO THIS, IT'LL BE A MASSIVE DOCUMENT THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT, IT WILL BE HELPFUL, BUT WE PROBABLY DO NEED, BEFORE WE HAVE A FINAL PRODUCT TO IDENTIFY JUST THE BY SECTION NUMBER, WHAT IS GOING TO BE REPLACED.
'CAUSE 'CAUSE WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANT THERE TO BE OLD SECTION ON DONATIONS IF THERE IS A SECTION AND A NEW SECTION ON DONATIONS.
SO WE HAVE TO KNOW WHAT'S GONNA BE DELETED.
WOULD THAT BE PART OF, OF WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR COMMISSIONER NORMAN? YES.
I GUESS THAT WOULD BE, IF I MAY JUMP IN.
UM, AT THE TIME THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE REVIEWED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IN THE FINAL FORM, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STEP BY STEP HERE, MAKING SURE THAT IF THERE ARE ANY CONFLICTS IN THESE DRAFTS THAT THEY ARE, UM, GOING TO BE REPEALED, YOU KNOW, UM, IF THERE'S AN INCONSISTENT TERM IN THE MUNICIPAL CODE.
UM, SO REST ASSURED, EVEN IF YOU DON'T CATCH IT IN THESE DRAFTS BEFORE IT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL REVIEW, UM, THERE WILL BE, UM, THERE WILL, IN THAT DRAFT ORDINANCE, UM, THERE WILL BE A SECTION THAT SAYS LIKE A LIST OF SECTIONS THAT WOULD BE REPEALED OR REPLACED.
SO, UM, I DON'T WANT IT TO BE STRESSED TOO HARD ON LIKE A WILD GOOSE CHASE GOING THROUGH THE MUNICIPAL CODE.
REST ASSURED THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WILL DO THAT UPON FINAL RECOMMENDATION, UM, WHEN IT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL.
SO WE CAN RELY ON THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO DO THAT.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING,
THAT HELPS, THAT'S A BIG HELP.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I HEARD CORRECTLY THAT WHEN THIS COMES TO US FOR FINAL REVIEW, WE'LL GET BOTH A HARD COPY AND AN ELECTRIC COPY, ELECTRONIC COPY.
'CAUSE PERSONALLY I WOULD PREFER TO HAVE A HARD COPY AND AN ELECTRIC ELECTRONIC COPY TO GO THROUGH.
'CAUSE I SEE DIFFERENT THINGS DEPENDING WHETHER IT'S ON A SCREEN OR IF IT'S ON PAPER WHITE.
JORGE, ELIANA, ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? CAN WE TAKE A VOTE ONE SECOND.
JUST TO, IF THERE ARE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC IN THE ZOOM THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.
MOVING TO MOVING TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE, RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE AN UPDATE FROM THE AD HOC ON COMMISSION RESPONSIBILITIES.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER MORALES, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICTUS.
SO VERY QUICK, UH, UPDATE HERE.
WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF SETTING UP.
ACTUALLY STAFF IS IN THE PROCESS OF SETTING UP MEETINGS
[5. 24-55163 Recommendation to receive and file an update from the Ad Hoc on Commission Responsibilities. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]
FOR US WITH A VARIETY OF ENTITIES AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE MORE TO REPORT BACK AT THE NOVEMBER MEETING AND WOULD LIKE TO THANK STAFF FOR WORKING WITH OUR EVER EVOLVING SCHEDULES.UM, IT'S, IT'S BEEN A LITTLE TIGHT BECAUSE WE ALL THREE WERE TRAVELING DURING THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER, BUT, UM, THEY'VE BEEN DOING A YEOMAN'S JOB OF GETTING THOSE SET UP FOR US.
ANY COMMENT FROM THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS? ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? ANY MEMBERS ON THE ZOOM THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
[01:30:01]
PLEASE USE THE RAISE HAND FEATURE OR DIAL STAR NINE.SEE NONE THAT CONCLUDE PUBLIC COMMENT.
CAN WE HAVE A VOTE? COMMISSIONER ROVA? AYE.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX, RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE AN UPDATE FROM THE AD HOC COMMITTEE ON THE 2024 PRIMARY NOMINATING ELECTION CANDIDATE FILINGS.
I HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICTIS.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MORALES.
UNFORTUNATELY WE WILL HAVE TO REPORT OUT NEXT MONTH.
[6. 24-55164 Recommendation to receive and file an update from the Ad Hoc Committee on the 2024 PNE (Primary Nominating Election) Candidate Filings. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]
GLITCHES IN DOWNLOADING THE DOCUMENTS FROM THE CITY CLERK'S PAGE.UM, SOMEHOW I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE.
SO, UM, IT'S, UH, SOMETHING WITH THE PDF AND IT'S, IT HASN'T BEEN WORKING AND I DON'T THINK A CHIEF HAS HAD ANY LUCK EITHER.
UM, WE EMAILED EACH OTHER AND WE WERE GONNA TRY TO GET HARD COPIES.
DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? THERE'S ANY I A COMMENT? I'M SORRY.
UH, I, I'M CONCERNED AND WOULD, WOULD APPRECIATE SOME EXPLANATION FROM THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE IF THIS INFORMATION IS SUPPOSED TO BE PUBLIC, WHY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSIONER ARE HAVING DIFFICULTY GETTING IT.
UM, THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A GOOD THING.
SO, UM, I ASSUME THE CITY CLERK'S AWARE OF IT, BUT, UM, PERHAPS STAFF COULD, COULD SEEK AN EXPLANATION FOR US.
HELLO, COMMISSIONER WISE? SO PHIL HAD TO STEP AWAY AND I DO KNOW THAT, UM, COMMISSIONER AVE AND VICE CHAIR COLEMAN ARE EXPERIENCING SOME ISSUES, BUT I BELIEVE THAT IT IS STILL ACCESSIBLE AND THEY'RE ALWAYS ACCESSIBLE IF ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO COME IN AND REQUEST THOSE DOCUMENTS.
BUT FORTUNATELY, THAT'S KIND OF THE EXTENT OF MY KNOWLEDGE OF THE CURRENT SITUATION.
SO MY APOLOGIES, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I CAN DEFINITELY ASK PHIL TO GET BACK TO YOU AND PROVIDE MORE DETAIL.
I DID SPEAK WITH PHIL AND HE SAYS THAT HE'S EVEN EXPERIENCED PROBLEMS, UM, ON HIS OWN PERSONAL COMPUTER.
SO I DON'T THINK IT'S JUST THE VICE CHAIR AND MYSELF.
UM, I THINK THERE ARE OTHER MEMBERS, UM, OF STAFF OR THE PUBLIC THAT HAVE INFORMED THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE OF THE SAME ISSUE.
UM, WE RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM THE VENDOR REGARDING, UH, WAYS TO TROUBLESHOOT THE ISSUE, BUT I PERSONALLY WAS NOT SUCCESSFUL.
UM, BUT I'M ALSO NOT, UH, VERY COMPUTER LITERATE WHEN IT COMES TO TROUBLESHOOTING.
UM, PHIL'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT IF I DON'T HAVE ANY SUCCESS WITH THE FEEDBACK FROM THE VENDOR, THAT HE WILL PROVIDE HER COPIES.
SO HOPEFULLY IN NOVEMBER WE WILL HAVE A REPORT WHETHER OR NOT THE THE FORMS ARE DOWNLOADING CORRECTLY OR NOT.
ANY OTHER COMMISSION COMMENT? PUBLIC COMMENT? THERE'S ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM IN THE ZOOM, PLEASE DIAL STAR NINE OR USE THE RAISE HAND FEATURE.
SEEING NONE, THAT CAN CON CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.
CAN WE TAKE A VOTE? COMMISSIONER NODA AYE.
COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICTUS? AYE.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, RECOMMENDATION TO DISCUSS ANTICIPATED AD HOC COMMITTEES FOR UPCOMING PROJECTS.
AND IF APPROPRIATE, TAKE ACTION TO DISSOLVE, CREATE OR RE-AUTHORIZE AD HOC COMMITTEES.
I HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICTUS, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MORALES.
[7. 24-55165 Recommendation to discuss anticipated Ad Hoc Committees for upcoming projects; and, if appropriate, take action to dissolve, create or reauthorize Ad Hoc Committees. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]
ANY COMMISSION INPUT ON THIS? I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY NEW AD HOCS TO START UP AND THE ONES THAT ARE ROLLING OR NOT READY TO BE DISBANDED YET, SO I AGREE.ANY OTHER INPUT FROM THE COMMISSION? NONE.
ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? IF THERE'S ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM IN THE ZOOM, PLEASE DIAL STAR NINE OR USE A RAISED HAND FEATURE.
SEEING NONE, THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.
[01:35:01]
WE CAN, WE HAVE A VOTE.COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICTUS? AYE.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, RECOMMENDATION TO HAVE THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR PROVIDE UPDATES ON ETHICS COMMISSION ACTIVITIES AND INITIATIVES.
UH, DO WE HAVE, I I CAN NO LONGER SEE FOR SOME REASON
[8. 24-55166 Recommendation to have the Chair and Vice Chair provide updates on Ethics Commission activities and initiatives. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]
WHETHER WE HAVE A MOTION OR, BUT NOTHING CAME UP FOR US TO MOVE.SO I'M HAVING A SLIGHT ERROR ON MY END.
I CAN TAKE A VERBAL, I'LL MOVE MORALES.
COMMISSIONER MORALES SECONDED.
UM, UH, I, I JUST WANTED TO UPDATE THE COMMISSION ON MEETINGS THAT I HAVE HAD ALONG WITH VICE CHAIR COLEMAN WITH VARIOUS, UH, MEMBER, UH, VARIOUS ELECTEDS AND THE CITY ATTORNEY.
UH, FIRST WE HAD TALKED AT THE LAST MEETING ABOUT THE, THE, WHAT WAS THEN AN UPCOMING QUARTERLY MEETING THAT THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR HAVE WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY.
UM, IT WAS A GOOD, GOOD MEETING.
WE, UH, DISCUSSED WHAT, UH, WHAT WE HAVE ON OUR PLATES RIGHT NOW WITH THE LOBBYING ORDINANCE AND THE ETHICS ORDINANCE.
UM, IN ADDITION, WE REQUESTED A WRITTEN, WRITTEN GUIDANCE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY REGARDING THE PROPER USE OF AD HOCS CONSISTENT WITH THE BROWN ACT.
I HAVE NOT YET RECEIVED A RESPONSE TO THAT, BUT I EXPECT TO BE ABLE TO, UH, PROVIDE THAT HOPEFULLY AT THE NOVEMBER MEETING.
IN ADDITION, UM, THE VICE CHAIR AND I MET WITH 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, UH, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
UH, THOSE MEETINGS WERE, UH, THE CHAIR, VICE CHAIR ANNUAL MEETINGS WERE STARTED, I THINK AS LONG AGO AS WHEN THE COMMISSION BEGAN, UH, WHEN, WHEN, UH, COMMISSIONER WISE WAS CHAIR, UM, AND HAVE CONTINUED, UH, AT LEAST ANNUALLY.
THERE WERE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE LOBBYIST ORDINANCE, WHICH HAD HIT THEIR DESKS.
THE PROPOSED LOBBYIST ORDINANCE, WHICH HAD HIT THEIR DESKS.
UH, JUST SHORTLY BEFORE, UH, WE HAD THOSE MEETINGS, UM, WE RESPONDED TO ALL OF THE, THE QUESTIONS.
UM, AND, UH, AS OF RIGHT NOW, I DO NOT KNOW OF ANYONE WHO IS PREPARED TO SPONSOR AN AGENDA ITEM ON THE LOBBYIST ORDINANCE.
WE HAVE A NUMBER OF CITY COUNCIL MEMBER MEETINGS TO GO THAT ARE BEING SCHEDULED.
ALSO, OUR MEETING WITH THE, UH, MAYOR HAD TO BE POSTPONED.
SO WE WILL ALSO BE IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO, BE MEETING WITH SEVERAL CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THE MAYOR.
UM, I WILL SAY, UH, WE HAD VERY POSITIVE FEEDBACK IN A NUMBER OF THE MEETINGS ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE WERE GETTING ON THEIR CALENDAR.
THEY APPRECIATED THAT AND SAID THIS WAS ONE OF THE WAYS IN WHICH THE, A POSITIVE WAY IN WHICH THE ETHICS COMMISSION DIFFERS FROM OTHER COMMISSIONS.
I THINK THAT, UH, WHEN WE, UH, AS A COMMISSION ARE READY TO SEND THE ETHICS ORDINANCE TO THE CITY COUNCIL, UM, THAT IN ADVANCE OF THE MEMO GOING OVER THE TRANSOM, UM, AT AT LEAST SOME OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE AD HOC COMMITTEE SO THEY KNOW WHAT'S COMING, UM, BEFORE IT HITS THEIR DESKS.
UM, AND THAT SEEMED LIKE A VERY GOOD SUGGESTION.
ANY DISCUSSION FROM THE COMMISSION? SO WITH RESPECT TO THE LOBBYIST ORDINANCE, NOBODY HAS STEPPED FORWARD TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA.
DOES IT LOOK LIKE IT'S DYING ON THE VINE OR IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THAT SOMETHING MAY HAPPEN WITH IT? AND IF IT'S DYING ON THE VINE, DO THE MEMBERS OF THE AD HOC NEED TO SCHEDULE A TIME ON THE CITY COUNCIL'S FULL AGENDA TO MAKE A PRESENTATION IN FRONT OF THE FULL COUNCIL TO
[01:40:01]
REQUEST THAT SOMEBODY BRING IT FORWARD OR, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T FINISHED THE MEETINGS YET.
UM, BUT AS A MEMBER OF THE AD HOC, I'M NOT WILLING TO LET THIS ONE DIE ON THE VINE.
SO MAYBE BY JANUARY THEN WE WOULD LOOK AT GOING BEFORE THE FULL COUNCIL BECAUSE DECEMBER'S KIND OF A DEAD MONTH.
DECEMBER'S A NON-EXISTENT MONTH.
IF, IF THE REMAINING MEETINGS DON'T GET A COUNCIL MEMBER WHO WILL PUT IT ON THE AGENDA.
AND AND ARE YOU ASKING SPECIFICALLY IF THEY WOULD OR I I DID NOT IN THE FIRST COUPLE OF MEETINGS, BUT I DID AS THE MEETINGS WENT ON.
I THINK, TYLER, HAVE YOU HEARD ANY FEEDBACK FROM ANYBODY OR HAS THE CITY MANAGER HEARD ANY FEEDBACK AS TO WHETHER THEY'D LIKE IT TO DIE ON THE VINE OR IF SOMEBODY MAY BE WILLING TO TAKE IT FORWARD? NO, NO FEEDBACK SPECIFICALLY.
UM, BUT I WILL SAY THAT, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT LIKE THE, THE MAIN COMMUNICATION IS FROM THE COMMISSION THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER TO THE MARON COUNCIL, WHICH WE'VE DONE.
AND THEN YOU'VE HAD, UM, AND ARE STILL CONDUCTING THE CONVERSATIONS WITH, UM, THE ELECTED OFFICES.
SO IT'S ULTIMATELY IN THEIR HANDS IN TERMS OF THE, YOU KNOW, ANY FOLLOW UP AT A COUNCIL MEETING.
UM, SO I THINK THAT THAT'S, JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT IN TERMS OF LIKE NOT BEING ABLE TO AGENDIZE, UM, YOU KNOW, AN, AN ITEM ESSENTIALLY.
I, I DIDN'T MEAN AGENDIZE, I MEANT FOR US TO GO AND PUBLIC COMMENT.
ANY OTHER COMMENT FROM THE COMMISSION? ANY PUBLIC COMMENT IF THERE'S, OH, WE HAVE ONE PUBLIC COMMENT IN THE CHAMBER LISTENING TO YOU SPEAK ABOUT HOW YOU GET CITY COUNCIL TO PUT IT ON AN AGENDA.
I WILL LOOK INTO IT, BUT PERHAPS AS A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC, MAYBE IT'D HAVE OTHER PUBLIC PEOPLE COME WITH ME AND BRING IT UP AT PUBLIC COMMENT AT A MEETING.
UM, I DIDN'T KNOW IT HAD GONE TO GET PUT ON THE AGENDA.
SO IS THERE SOMETHING THAT SAYS THAT THERE'S A REC, I KNOW YOU CAN'T ANSWER, BUT A RECOMMENDATION FROM THIS COMMISSION TO PUT IT ON THE CITY COUNCIL AGENDA.
IS THERE ANYWHERE FOR THE PUBLIC TO FIND THAT IT, THE MEMOS FROM THE CITY MANAGER TO THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL ARE ONLINE ON THE CITY MANAGERS WEBSITE.
SO THAT WOULD BE ON THE LINE ONLINE NOW, CORRECT? YEAH.
AND I WON'T MAKE A SIGN
SEEING NONE, THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.
CAN I HAVE A VOTE? COMMISSIONER NOVAK AYE.
COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICTUS? AYE.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE, RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE A REPORT FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE REGARDING RESULTS OF INVESTIGATION PURSUANT TO THE REQUEST FROM THE ETHICS COMMISSION ON ITEM NUMBER THREE, DATED MAY 8TH, 2024.
I HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICTUS, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MORALES AND, UH, ANITA.
ALRIGHT, SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND,
[9. 24-55167 Recommendation to receive and file a report from the City Attorney's Office regarding results of investigation pursuant to the request from the Ethics Commission on Item No. 3 dated May 8th, 2024. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]
UH, UH, GIVE YOU MY ORAL REPORT ON THIS ITEM.UM, SO ON MAY 8TH, 2024, THE ETHICS COMMISSION REQUESTED THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO PROVIDE INFORMATION.
UM, AT THE CONCLUSION OF AN INVESTIGATION THAT WAS INITIATED BY MR. LEE CHARLIE IN MARCH OF 2024, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE RETAINED OUTSIDE COUNSEL TO CONDUCT AN IMPARTIAL FACT FINDING INVESTIGATION INTO THE ALLEGATIONS RELATED TO CINDY ALLEN.
BASED ON THE INFORMATION AVAILABLE, INCLUDING INTERVIEWS AND A REVIEW OF DOCUMENTS RELEVANT TO THE COMPLAINT, UM, OUR OUTSIDE COUNSEL HAS DETERMINED THE FOLLOWING, UM, ALLEGATION NUMBER ONE, WHETHER MR. SEN PARTICIPATED IN VICE MAYOR ALLEN'S REELECTION CAMPAIGN EVENT ON JANUARY 27TH, 2024, TITLED FRIENDS, FAMILY AND FRIENDS CANVAS EVENT AND SUBMITTED A CITY TIMECARD FOR THE EVENT, THE
[01:45:01]
ALLEGATIONS WERE NOT SUSTAINED.ALLEGATION NUMBER TWO, WHETHER MR. SEN WORE A CITY ISSUED BADGE AND JACKET TO A FEBRUARY 15TH, 2024, DISTRICT TWO NEIGHBORHOOD CANDIDATES FORUM, THE ALLEGATIONS ARE NOT SUSTAINED.
UM, ALLEGATION NUMBER THREE, WHETHER MR. CHARLIE CONFRONTED MR. SEN ABOUT WEARING A BADGE AT THE FEBRUARY 15TH, 2024, DISTRICT TWO NEIGHBORHOOD CANDIDATES FORUM AND MR. SEN CALLED MR. CHARLIE A KAREN, THE ALLEGATIONS ARE NOT SUSTAINED.
UH, ALLEGATION NUMBER FOUR, WHETHER MR. SEN PARTICIPATED IN THE FEBRUARY 15TH, 2024 DISTRICT TWO NEIGHBORHOOD CANDIDATES FORUM AND SUBMITTED A TIMECARD FOR THE EVENT, THE ALLEGATIONS ARE NOT SUSTAINED.
NUMBER FIVE, WHETHER MR. SEND PARTICIPATED IN VICE MAYOR ALLEN'S REELECTION CAMPAIGN FROM FEBRUARY 12TH, 2024 THROUGH FEBRUARY 16TH, 2024 BY PHONE BANKING AT THE PLUNGE AND SUBMITTED A CITY TIMECARD FOR THE EVENT, THE ALLEGATIONS ARE NOT SUSTAINED.
NUMBER SIX, WHETHER MR. SEN USED A CITY COMPUTER AND OR CITY CELL PHONE WHILE WORKING ON VICE MAYOR'S VICE MAYOR ALLEN'S ELECT REELECTION CAMPAIGN, THE ALLEGATIONS ARE NOT SUSTAINED.
ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, WHETHER MS. MAHER PARTICIPATED IN VICE MAYOR ALLEN'S REELECTION CAMPAIGN EVENT ON JANUARY 27TH, 2024, TITLED FAMILY AND FRIENDS CANVAS EVENT AND SUBMITTED A TIME CARD FOR TIME SPENT AT THE EVENT, THE ALLEGATIONS ARE NOT SUSTAINED.
WHETHER, UH, ALLEGATION NUMBER EIGHT, WHETHER MS. KHAN PARTICIPATED IN VICE MAYOR ALLEN'S REELECTION CAMPAIGN EVENT ON JANUARY 27TH, 2024 TITLED FAMILY AND FRIENDS CANVAS EVENT AND SUBMITTED A TIMECARD FOR TIME SPENT AT THE EVENT, THE ALLEGATIONS ARE NOT SUSTAINED.
AND FINALLY, TWO MORE HERE WE HAVE ALLEGATION NUMBER NINE, WHETHER VICE MAYOR ALLEN USED A CITY ISSUED COMPUTER AT CAMPAIGN ACTIVITIES AND OR CAMPAIGN EVENTS.
THE ALLEGATION IS NOT SUSTAINED.
LAST ITEM NUMBER 10, WHETHER VICE MAYOR ALLEN WORE A CITY JACKET TO CAMPAIGN EVENTS, THE ALLEGATIONS WERE NOT SUSTAINED.
AND THIS IS THE, UM, INFORMATION THAT I CAN PROVIDE REGARDING THIS COMPLAINT AND THE COMPLAINT HAS BEEN CLOSED.
ANY INPUT FROM THE COMMISSIONERS CHAIR? I HAVE A QUESTION.
I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING THE TWO INDIVIDUALS, NOT VICE MAYOR ALLEN.
UM, WHEN YOU SAID, WHEN YOU REFER TO THEIR TIME CARD, I'M ASSUMING, UM, THAT THE TIME CARD WOULD REFLECT THE ALLEGATION WAS THE TIME CARD REFLECTED HOURS WORKED ON CITY TIME, NOT VACATION OR PERSONAL LEAVE? IS THAT CORRECT? UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE DETAILS OF THE INVESTIGATION.
I JUST HAVE THE ALLEGATION AND THE, UM, RESULT.
I HAVE THE SAME QUESTIONS AND CONCERN.
'CAUSE IT SAYS NO TIME CARD WAS SUBMITTED.
ATI A TIME CARD WOULD HAVE TO HAVE SUBMITTED, I WOULD THINK TO EITHER REFLECT SOME LOST TIME.
UM, SO IT'S KIND OF OPEN-ENDED IN MY MIND A LITTLE BIT, BUT THANK YOU FOR THE REPORT.
DOES THE, UM, DOES THE CITY, WHEN THERE'S AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION DONE, DOES THE, IS THAT ALL THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY GETS OR DOES OR THE, THE CITY GETS BACK IN RE RESPONSE? OR DO THEY ALSO GET INFORMATION ABOUT, UM, WHAT WAS INVOLVED IN THE INVESTIGATION, YOU KNOW, WHO THEY SPOKE TO OR DOCUMENTS REVIEWED OR EVIDENCE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? SO WE RECEIVE THE REPORT FROM OUTSIDE COUNSEL AND IN ORDER FOR IT TO BE, UM, IMPARTIAL AND FACT FINDING, AN IMPARTIAL FACT FINDING INVESTIGATION, UM, I DON'T KNOW TO THE EXTENT OF HOW MUCH INFORMATION, UM, WE CAN RETRIEVE.
BUT AT THIS TIME, UM, THE ONLY PUBLICLY AVAILABLE INFORMATION IS WHAT I JUST READ.
UM, JUST GOING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL COMPLAINT, THERE WAS A SPREADSHEET OF TIME, CARD HOURS AND LOCATION.
I THINK THAT'S PARTIALLY IN RESPONSE TO THE QUESTION THAT YOU HAD.
I I DON'T SEE ACTUAL TIMECARDS AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SOURCE OF THE SPREADSHEETS IS, UH, OTHER THAN FROM THE COMPLAINANT.
[01:50:05]
ANY OTHER INPUT FROM THE COMMISSION? ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM?SEEING NONE, THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10, RECOMMENDATION.
WOULD WE STICK A VOTE? OH, I'M SORRY.
COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICTUS? AYE.
MOTION CARRIES BACK TO YOU CHAIR.
NOW AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10, RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE A MONTHLY UPDATE FROM THE ETHICS OFFICER.
AND I, UH, I HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER AVE, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICTUS.
UH, FIRST I WANNA START OFF JUST BY THANKING MY TEAM, JORGE AND SAM
[10. 24-55168 Recommendation to receive and file a monthly update from the Ethics Officer. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]
IN PARTICULAR FOR, UH, JUST HOLDING DOWN THE FORT WHILE I WAS GONE FOR A FEW WEEKS.UM, SO THANK YOU GUYS AND ANITA TO, UM, MY NEXT, UH, UPDATE.
WE DID HAVE OUR SECOND COMMISSION LIAISON TRAINING ON ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER, AND ANITA LED THAT TRAINING.
UH, SO JUST APPRECIATE HER FOR THAT.
YOU GUYS SAW THAT WE RELEASED THE OCTOBER NEWSLETTER YESTERDAY, UM, FOCUSING ON POLITICAL NEUTRALITY AND THE IMPORTANCE OF TEAMWORK AS WE GET CLOSER TO, UH, THE ELECTION AND THE RESULTS OF THAT ELECTION IN NOVEMBER.
AS WE GET INTO NOVEMBER AND INTO THE HOLIDAYS, WE WILL START, UM, RAMPING UP OUR NO GIFTS HOLIDAY CAMPAIGN.
UH, WE'LL WEAVE IN SOME FORM, FORM 700 MESSAGING INTO THAT.
AND THEN WE'D ALSO LIKE TO START, UH, WELL ACTUALLY WE HAVE WITH OUR CITY MANAGER INTERNAL NEWSLETTER JUST START, UM, PROMOTING THE WORK THAT WE HAVE DONE WITH THE ROADMAP.
UM, I KNOW THAT THERE'S STILL SOME WORK TO BE DONE, BUT THERE'S, THAT BEING SAID, THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD STUFF THAT EXISTS IN THAT ROADMAP THAT, UM, THE TEAM AND I ARE ARE USING, UM, ACTIVELY, UH, JUST TO AS WE LOOK FORWARD.
UM, SO WE'LL START JUST LOOKING FOR WAYS TO ANNOUNCE THE ROADMAP AND THE WORK THAT, THAT WE HOPE TO COME, COME OUT OF THAT.
I THINK I SHARED WITH YOU LAST MONTH, BUT, UM, WE AS A TEAM HAVE STARTED.
WE'RE INVOLVED IN A SERIES OF WORKSHOPS OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS.
UM, IT'S CALLED A METRIC SELECTION AND DATA INVENTORY SPRINT.
AND REALLY IT'S HELPING US DRILL DOWN WHAT IT IS WE'RE DOING, WHAT IT IS WE'RE TRYING TO DO, HELPING US UNDERSTAND OUR MISSION, AND THEN HOW, HOW WE MEASURE THAT SUCCESS, UM, AND HOW WE DRIVE THE GOALS FOR, UH, THE OFFICE OF ETHICS AND TRANSPARENCY.
SO WE HAD OUR FIRST WORKSHOP RIGHT BEFORE I LEFT, AND THESE ARE THREE HOUR WORKSHOPS, SO THEY'RE PRETTY TIME INTENSIVE, BUT, UM, WE AGREED THAT THEY WERE PRETTY VALUABLE AND, AND WE'RE GETTING A LOT OUT OF IT ALREADY.
UM, WE ARE IN A GOOD PLACE TO START THESE WORKSHOPS WITH THE ROADMAP THAT WE'VE JUST GOTTEN FROM MARCO HULA.
IT'S A GOOD STARTING POINT FOR US.
UM, SO AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE ALREADY USING THE ROADMAP, UM, TO MOVE FORWARD IN POSITIVE WAYS.
THAT BEING SAID, I DID WANNA REMIND THE, THE COMMISSION THAT THERE STILL IS ONE OUTSTANDING ACTION WITH MARCOLA.
THEY STILL NEED TO COME IN AND WORK WITH JORGE AND, AND SAM AND I ON, UM, LOOKING AT TOOLS TO BUILD A CUSTOMIZED FRAMEWORK FOR ETHICAL DECISION MAKING AND WHAT THE PROCESS COULD LOOK LIKE FOR MONITORING, EVALUATING PROGRESS FOR THE ROADMAP.
SO THERE IS STILL A LITTLE BIT MORE WORK TO BE DONE WITH MARK HULA AND I THINK WE CAN, I THINK THAT CONNECTS DIRECTLY TO, UH, THE ITEM EARLIER THAT WE WERE DISCUSSING IN THE REPORTS BACK THAT YOU GUYS WILL BE GETTING.
UM, WE ARE IN OCTOBER, SO DECEMBER IS VERY CLOSE.
UM, WHICH MEANS THAT WE NEED TO START THINKING ABOUT OUR DECEMBER GATHERING.
SO JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT ON YOUR RADAR.
ANY INPUT FROM THE COMMISSION? UM, NO INPUT.
INTERESTED IN HEARING ABOUT THE, UM,
[01:55:01]
THE METRICS, YOU KNOW, UH, EVALUATING YOURSELF.YOU GONNA BE WORKING PRIMARILY OFF OF, UM, CALLS AND DATA FOR MEASURING LIKE EFFICIENCY OR EFFECTIVENESS OR WHAT, WHAT, WHAT ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT THEY'LL BE LOOKING AT TO MEASURE? THAT'LL BE PART OF IT, BUT WE'LL KIND OF UNWRAP THAT AS WE GO THROUGH THESE WORKSHOPS AND UNDER.
THE OBVIOUS DATA WILL BE A PART OF THAT.
UM, BUT THE, THESE WORKSHOPS ARE, OR AT LEAST THE INITIAL ONE IS HELPING US ASK THOSE QUESTIONS.
WHAT ARE WE MISSING? WHAT IN ADDITION TO THE HELPLINE CALLS OR THE EMAILS THAT WE'RE GETTING, WHAT ELSE CAN WE USE TO MEASURE THE SUCCESS? WHAT, WHAT ARE THE GAPS? UM, SO I THINK IT'S GONNA HELP US, UM, JUST PUT TOGETHER AN ACTION PLAN FOR OURSELVES INTERNALLY AS OUR OFFICE, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS YEAR, THREE YEARS, FIVE YEARS FROM NOW.
SO THAT'S A QUESTION THAT WE PLAN ON ANSWERING.
YEAH, I I THINK YOU'LL FIND THAT THAT'LL BE THE MOST REWARDING PART, UH, BECAUSE THERE IS REALLY, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ALWAYS SEEING THE KIND OF THE UGLY SIDE OF THE ELEPHANT.
UM, IT'S GOOD TO START LOOKING AT AND MEASURING WHAT PEOPLE CARE ABOUT.
UH, AND YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES IT'S AS SIMPLE AS A SURVEY OF ABOUT, ABOUT YOUR VALUES OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT YOU, I, YOU ARE VERY GOOD AT ALL THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
I THINK THE NEWSLETTER WILL BE HELPFUL TO SOLICIT OR COLLECT.
UH, BUT, UM, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'LL BE A FUN THING 'CAUSE YOU'VE BEEN WORKING SO MUCH IN EDUCATION.
TRY AND DO, YOU KNOW, GETTING INTO THESE OTHER AREAS TO HELP YOU.
UH, SO I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING MORE ABOUT THAT.
ANY OTHER INPUT FROM THE COMMISSION? ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC? IF THERE'S ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ON THE ZOOM WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE DIAL STAR NINE OR USE THE RAISE HAND FEATURE.
SEEING NONE, THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.
CAN WE HAVE A VOTE? COMMISSIONER NOVA? AYE.
COMMISSIONER WISE? CHAIR P*****K DID THUMBS UP.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11, RECOMMENDATION TO DISCUSS POTENTIAL AGENDA ITEMS FOR FUTURE COMMISSION MEETINGS.
DO I HAVE A MOTION? I HAVE, UH, COMMISSIONER MORALES SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICTUS.
ANY DISCUSSION MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION? I, I THINK THE, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT WAS A GREAT IDEA TO HEAR AS UH, MARCO SAID, AND I THINK, UH, COMMISSIONER WISE, UH, ABOUT GETTING FEEDBACK FROM THE STAFF ON MARK.
I, I KNOW THAT, UM, COMMISSIONER ORVA SAID LIKE, MORE TIME, I NEED MORE TIME.
UM, BUT I WOULD NOT BE OPPOSED
[11. 24-55169 Recommendation to discuss potential agenda items for future Commission meetings. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]
TO US SPENDING TIME TOGETHER, THE COMMISSION TO LOOKING AT THE THINGS THAT WERE CRITICAL ABOUT US, UH, TO LOOK AT WHERE THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE THING WE ALL HAVE IT IN WRITING, BUT MAYBE PRIORITIZING OR EVEN, UH, IF WE HAVE AGREEMENT THAT THESE ARE, AS YOU SAID, ROADMAP, UH, DIFFERENT THINGS.A STUDY SESSION WOULD BE RECOMMENDED FOR ME.
I AGREE PROBABLY EARLY NEXT YEAR THAT WE OUGHT TO HAVE A, AN OFFSITE RIGHT.
OUR PLATE, OUR PLATES ARE PRETTY FULL.
I KNOW OUR AD HOC PLATE IS VERY FULL.
ANY OTHER INPUT FROM THE COMMISSION? DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? IS THERE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT IN THE ZOOM THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE DIAL STAR NINE.
OR USE OF RAISED HAND FEATURE SCENE? NONE.
THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.
CAN I HAVE A VOTE? COMMISSIONER NOR AYE.
AND DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON NON AGENDA
[PUBLIC COMMENT Opportunity to address the Ethics Commission on non-agenda items. Each speaker is limited to three minutes to make their comments unless extended by the Chair.]
ITEMS? THERE'S ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON NON-AG AGENDA? PUBLIC COMMENT IN THE ZOOM, PLEASE DIAL STAR NINE OR USE THE RAISED HAND FEATURE.THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE ARE ADJOURNED.
[ANNOUNCEMENTS]
[ADJOURNMENT]
FEEL BETTER, SUSAN.