* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD [00:00:01] AND WANTING TO HAVE THE CITY ARBORIST COME AND GIVE US A REPORT. AND THE FUNNY THING IS, IF, AND I WAS SPEAKING WITH, UH, UH, RYAN ABOUT THIS THE OTHER DAY, IF YOU TAKE A DEEP LOOK AT THE TREES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU'LL SEE THAT MOST OF THEM ARE GROWING PRETTY WELL. UH, AND THAT'S A DIRECT RESULT OF TWO, UH, BACK TO BACK SEASONS OF A LOT OF RAIN. AND THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT I CAN ATTRIBUTE IT TO BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T BEEN FED, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN OFF SEASON WATER REGULARLY. I THINK WE, WE CAN JUST SAY THAT THAT NATURE HAS KIND OF DONE WHAT IT DOES, AND THAT PARTICULAR TREE VARIETY, WHEN IT'S GETTING PLENTY WATER, REALLY DOES MUCH, MUCH BETTER. SO THERE'S NOT A LOT OF, UH, AS WE'VE REFERRED TO IN THE PAST, STICKS HANGING UP ON THE GROUND. UM, BUT THAT UNDERSTANDING THE, THE ARM IS GOING COME IN NOVEMBER. HE'S GONNA GIVE US A REPORT ON THOSE TREES. UM, WHAT WE CAN DO, UH, AS A GROUP TO THROW MONEY AT FEEDING THEM, UH, MORE REGULARLY, UH, MAINTAINING THEM, TRIMMING THEM PROPERLY, WATERING THEM, REPLACING THE ONES THAT ARE PAST THEIR DEAL. UM, AND CERTAINLY WE'LL HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT ANOTHER VARIETY. BUT SEEMINGLY WHAT WE HAVE IS, IS BEST CASE AT THE MOMENT. UH, SO REPLACING THE SAME VARIETY IS PROBABLY REALLY THE BEST THING TO DO. BUT WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS IT AND THE RB IS GOING TO CERTAINLY BE HERE. SO PLEASE BE PREPARED IN NOVEMBER TO, UH, GIVE HIM SOME, UH, MEAT TO CHEW ON AND WE'LL SEE, UH, WHERE THAT TAKES US. THEN UH, LAST ITEM FOR, UH, CHARITY IS THE BIG BELLIES. UH, WE'RE WAITING FOR ANOTHER ASSESSMENT FROM, UH, PUBLIC WORKS AND, UH, THE INPUT FROM BUSINESS ASSOCIATION ON HOW MANY, UH, THEY'LL BE ORDERED, UH, AND BROUGHT IN. AND WE'LL REPLACE. SO WE'RE GETTING CLOSER TO, UH, WHERE WE NORMALLY BE HAVING ALL OF THE, THE OUTDATED MECHANIZED REPLACED WITH THE FOOT PEDAL UNITS. AND, UH, WE'RE JUST GONNA KEEP DOING THAT AS THEY GET HIT BY CARS OR, UH, GET DESTROYED OR, UH, WHATEVER ELSE HAPPENS TO THOSE. SO, MOVING TO, UH, THE REGULAR AGENDA, UH, ITEM ONE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE, UH, BELMONT FOR PARKING BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT AREA ADVISORY COMMISSION MEETING EVERY THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 19. UH, CAN I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? I RECOMMEND TO APPROVE WE HAVE A SECOND, PLEASE. OKAY. A COMMENT ON THAT ITEM. ALL IN FAVOR? A, UH, ITEM TWO RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE A FILE ON BEACH PUBLIC WORKS REPORT REVENUES DURING THE PERIOD SEPTEMBER 30. UH, YOU CAN FIND THAT IN YOUR PACKETS. UH, JUST PAST, UH, LAST MEETING'S, UH, AGENDA, WE HAVE MOTION, PLEASE. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO FINANCIAL. UH, AND WE'RE THAT REPORT AND THEN WE GET A SECOND. SECOND. WE NEED A SECOND, AND THEN WE CAN HEAR IT. SECOND. SECOND. PERFECT. THANK YOU. AND WE CAN HEAR THE REPORT FIRST. SEPTEMBER REVENUE IS DOWN 1% COMPARED TO LAST FISCAL YEAR. HOWEVER, YEAR TO DATE REVENUE IS UP 10% VERSUS LAST FISCAL YEAR. CURRENT FUND BALANCE IS 651,979 AND 18 CENTS HAS THE METER INCREASE. WE WENT INTO EFFECT OCTOBER ONE, THE METER INCREASE HAS GONE ON IN EFFECT OCTOBER ONE. YES. SO IT'S TOO SOON FOR ANALYTICS ON THAT, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. WE WON'T HAVE ANY, UM, WON'T HAVE ANY REVENUE, UH, REPORTING UNTIL NOVEMBER FOR OCTOBER. ALRIGHT. COMMISSION QUESTION ON THESE NUMBERS. UM, YEAH, JUST CURIOUS, WHAT WAS THE, IS THE RATE THE SAME OVER BOTH THOSE, LIKE THE SAME SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR? DID WE HAVE THE SAME RATE? I THINK WE DID. OKAY. YEAH, 1 75 WAS THE RATE. SO THIS IS, SO EVEN THOUGH WE HAD SAME RATE THE PREVIOUS YEAR AND THIS YEAR, REVENUE WAS UP 10%. SO ON THE YEAR, BUT THE LAST MONTH WAS 1% DOWN. YES. YES. I THINK I KNOW WHAT THAT 1% WAS. I THINK IT WAS THE CAR SHOW, BUT WE HAD ONE BEFORE TOO. YEAH, IT WAS REALLY BIG. YEAH. OKAY. ANY OTHER, UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UH, WE HAVE A MOTION, WE HAVE A SECOND. ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THOSE [00:05:01] ITEMS? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. THANK YOU. UH, ITEM THREE, RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE A FILE OF LONG BEACH TRANSIT EMPLOYEE BUS PASS PROGRAM STATUS. SO WE'LL FIND THAT ON THE NEXT PAGE OF THE PACKET. UH, WE HAVE A MOTION, MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE. SECOND, I'LL SECOND. OKAY. UH, DRIVE. SO FOR THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER, WE'VE HAD 154 RIDERS AND WE'VE HAD 4,948 BOARDINGS BOTH UP FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR, UM, SEPTEMBER PREVIOUS YEAR. IN TERMS OF RIDERS, WE HAD 96. WE CURRENTLY HAVE 1 54. AND THEN IN SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR IN REGARDS TO INGS, WE HAD 2,900. AND THIS YEAR WE HAVE 4,900. SO WE ARE, WOW. THAT'S VERY GOOD JOB, EVERYBODY. OH WAIT, IS IT TIME TO SAY ANYTHING? WELL, AND I'M JUST SO PROUD AND I WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO THE BSV AND HEATHER ESPECIALLY. SHE'S INSTRUMENTAL IN THIS GETTING THE STAFF SIGNED UP. AND HEATHER, THANK YOU. 'CAUSE I SEE MY, MY TEAM NOW, WE, THEY HAD LIKE ONE OR TWO VERY FEW BOARDINGS AND NOW WE'RE UP IN THE TOP THREE. SO 1200 BOARDINGS AND, YOU KNOW, HEY, IF THERE'S ONE, IF THERE'S THAT MANY PEOPLE TAKING THE BUS, THERE'S PROBABLY SOME MORE SPOTS UP THE NEIGHBORHOOD. MAYBE THAT'S WHY PARKINGS DOWN 1%, YOU KNOW, METER AGREE. SO I THINK THAT'S ALL VERY POSITIVE AND I'M REALLY, REALLY EXCITED. THANK YOU EVERYBODY. AWESOME. UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS, MR. ON THIS, UH, QUESTION, UH, FOR THE CITY, UH, HOW LONG DOES THE REVENUE STREAM LAST FOR THIS PROGRAM? THAT'S SOMETHING I'LL HAVE TO LOOK INTO. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S, I THINK IT'S A BUCKET, BASICALLY A BUCKET OF MONEY WE'RE USING FOR THIS. UM, WE'RE USING PROPERTY FUNDS AND THEN, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GOING TO EXPIRE A BIG BUCKET OF MONEY. YOU WANNA INTERPRET THAT AS IN PERPETUITY. I DON'T MEAN A LARGE, I DON'T MEAN A LARGE ONE, BUT IT'S, UH, MEANT SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS PROGRAM. YEAH. SO IN PERPETUITY WOULD NOT BE WRONG. FEW YEARS. YEAH. YEAH. WE'RE NOT GONNA BE, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE STOPPING THIS ANYTIME SOON. THAT'S WHAT'S WHAT, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE COURT QUESTION. YEAH. TERRIFIC. UM, ANY OTHER, UH, COMMISSIONER C*M, ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON BUSTS PROGRAM? UH, WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND. UH, ALL IN FAVOR. THANK YOU SO MUCH. RECOMMENDATION ITEM FOUR, RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE STATUS UPDATES, UH, ON CONSERVATION FOR LONG WORK IN SHO AREA, INCLUDING RESPONSES TO REQUEST FOR ASSISTANCE, UH, FOR SEPTEMBER 24. UH, CAN WE HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? MOTION TO, SORRY. RECEIVE ANY FILE, THE AND, UH, SECOND. OKAY. UM, I'D LIKE TO CALL ON, UM, JAVIER AND JJ FROM CONSERVATION COURT TO SPEAK ON THIS BEHALF. OKAY. GOOD MORNING. MORNING EVERYBODY. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. I'M JJ. HI. SO, UH, MICHAEL'S USUALLY WHEN I COMES REPORT OUT, SO, UH, WE COME SO THAT YOU, YOUR BACK IS FOR THE FOLKS THAT ARE SITTING, LISTENING, AND THEN EVERYBODY, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS PAST MONTH. WE, UH, SERVICE, UH, MONT SECOND STREET AS USUAL SWEEPING AND THE BIG VALLEY. UH, IT WAS A, A CALL RECEIVED TO REMOVE SOME ILLEGAL DUMP IN THE ALLEYS ON THE NORTH END. AND THEN WE JUST SERVICED THE MEDIUMS YESTERDAY AND, UH, LAST WEEK. SO, UH, I KNOW MIKE SHOULD HAVE, UH, MIKE REPORT OUT THAT WE WERE GONNA DO PLANT REPLACEMENT FOR THE LANDSCAPE. CHECK ON, WAIT, ONCE, WAIT ONE MORE MONTH. SO IN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS I'LL BE PRESENTING A, A PLANT PALLET OF, UH, REPLACEMENTS, PLANTS IN THE MEDIA. SO OTHER THAN THAT, YESTERDAY THERE WAS 11 BAGS OF GREEN WASTE AND ARE REMOVED FROM THE MEETINGS. AWESOME. UM, WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, REPLACING PLANT MATERIAL, IS IT SECTION BY SECTION OR ARE YOU GUYS TACKLING THE ENTIRETY OF THE DISTRICT OR ARE YOU DOING WE DO ALL 14 MEETINGS. ALL 14 SECTIONS. AT, AT, BUT YOU START AT ONE POINT AND THE GOAL IS TO FINISH ALL OF IT OVER WHAT PERIOD OF TIME? TWO DAYS. TWO DAYS. THAT'S WHAT WE SERVICING RIGHT NOW. SO THERE'S NOT, THERE'S NOT VERY MUCH, WELL, I, NOT TODAY, [00:10:01] SO I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT, WHAT WAS REMOVED AND WHAT WAS DEAD. SO I I, WE NEED TO DO AN ASSESSMENT FIRST OKAY. AFTER THE MEETING HERE. AND THEN AFTER THAT WE, UH, WE NOTIFY THE LANDSCAPE MARKET DAY AND TO SEE HOW MUCH P FIGURE NEEDS TO BE. AND WE'RE DOING THIS PERIODICALLY, MEANING QUARTERLY OR HALF YEARLY? UH, I THINK WE'VE BEEN DOING IT LIKE SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS. OKAY, SO ROUGHLY HALF YEAR. YES. AND IT IS, THIS IS ALL, I'M JUST BACKING UP AND REFRESHING, UH, EVERYONE SO THAT WE'RE, WE ALL ARE ON THE SAME PAGE. PART OF THAT INCLUDES, UH, FERTILIZING AND SOIL AMENDMENTS. UH, BECAUSE IT, IT, WHEN WE STARTED THIS, THIS REFRESH OF THE MEDIAN A COUPLE YEARS AGO, PART OF THE PLAN WAS NOT ONLY PLANT MATERIAL, BUT TO KEEP ON TOP OF SPRINKLER MAINTENANCE, KEEP ON TOP OF FERTILIZING, AND THEN THE SOILS, UH, THE QUALITY, THE SOIL BECAUSE OF THE, THE SALT CONTENT FOR THE OCEAN DAYS. ALL OF THAT IS BEING DONE TO ENSURE WHAT WE, THROUGH THE GROUND DRIVES AND THE REPLACEMENT OF PLANT MATERIAL IS JUST NORMAL ATTRITION AND DIE OUT AND TRAMPLING AND THAT SORT OF THING. YEAH. WE DO THE AMENDMENTS, YOU KNOW, AND, UM, THE IRRIGATION WE FLAG, BUT IT IS A SPEC THAT MAINTAINS AWESOME. SO WHEN WE, WHEN WE, AS WE'RE SERVICING THE MEDIUMS, WE SEE SOMETHING THAT'S THERE, WE USUALLY WE FLAG IT AND THEN I TALK TO RAYMOND WITH PUBLIC WORKS AND RAYMOND GETS CONTACT WITH US TO COME ON CORRECTED. OKAY. ARE, IS THE CITY OF LONG BEACH STILL UNDER A DROUGHT RESTRICTION ON WATERING, OR WAS THAT LIFTED AT SOME POINT LAST WINTER? THE QUESTION GOES TO THE DIRECTION OF ARE WE ABLE TO IRRIGATE THE PIPE MATERIAL? UH, OR ARE WE RESTRICTED? THAT'S GREAT QUESTION. GREAT QUESTION. WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT. UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY INPUT ON THAT, SIR? YEAH, NO. NO. OKAY. SO I, I BELIEVE THAT WHEN WE, WHEN WE, UH, WHEN WE HAVE SPOKEN TO, UH, RAYMOND FROM THE WORKS, UH, HE HAS ENSURED THAT THE MEETINGS AND THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM IS FULLY FUNCTIONAL. OKAY. BECAUSE WE MADE IT, UH, WE MADE HIM AWARE THAT WE HAVE ALREADY, UH, INSTALLED NEW PLANTING MATERIAL, UH, JUST TO ENSURE THAT THE PLANTS WILL DIE. I MEAN, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING IF WE ARE UNDER A PERCEIVED DROP, UH, RESTRICTION, IT, IT WILL BE AN ONGOING ISSUE. YEAH. SO, SO, UH, I I THINK THAT THERE'S SOMETHING IMPORTANT TO LOOK INTO, UH, IF WE'RE GONNA, AND AND I APPRECIATE THE, UH, UH, THE DECISION TO AWAIT CLOSER TO RAINY SEASON TO ENSURE THAT WE GET SOME NATURAL HELP WITH THIS. BUT IF THAT'S GONNA BE DELAYED AS IT CERTAINLY CAN BE, RIGHT? NONE OF US KNOWS. UH, I THINK WE SHOULD BE PREPARED TO FLICK THE SWITCH AND BE ABLE TO IRRIGATE WHAT YOU GUYS ARE ATE. I'LL REACH OUT TO RAY AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. YES, MA'AM. UH, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE PALLET, IS THAT LIKE FOR LIKE THE PLANTS THAT GO THAT DIE OFF, YOU PUT THE SAME IN. AND SO I'M GONNA ASK, DO WE DO ANYTHING FOR THE HOLIDAYS OR IS IT JUST TOO COSTLY? I BELIEVE WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED IN THE PAST, IT IS BEING THE SAME PALLET THAT IS, THAT WAS, UH, DESIGNED BY THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT AND IT WAS PRESENTED, I BELIEVE, UH, AT ANOTHER MEETING. YEAH. THAT WAS, THAT WAS SELECTED AFTER WE EXHAUST, YOU KNOW, WALKABOUTS AND, AND ALL OF THAT. AND, UM, NOT TO SAY THAT THAT CAN'T CHANGE, UH, IN THE FUTURE. UH, I THINK AS THE, UH, IF, IF, IF WE AS A COMMISSION WE'RE THE ONES THAT ARE CONTROLLING THE FUNDS TO, TO UH, UH, AFFORD THE MATERIAL, IF WE DECIDE IN FUTURE MEETINGS THAT, THAT WHAT'S GOING IN, UH, ISN'T WORKING, UM, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S DYING QUICKER OR IT GETS TRAMPLED AT A CHRISTMAS PARADE OR IT'S NOT STANDING UP TO WEATHER CONDITIONS, I THINK WE CAN, UH, ASK FOR A REVIEW OF THAT MATERIAL. THAT'S CERTAINLY WITHIN OUR, OUR SCOPE. YES, CERTAINLY. UM, AND, AND THAT, THAT YOU KIND OF READ MY MIND ON THERE, MAYBE THERE'S CERTAIN PLANTS THAT ARE MORE, UH, LESS MAINTENANCE BECAUSE OF THE DIFFICULTY GETTING OUT THERE, THEN YOU CAN'T BE THERE EVERY, YOU KNOW, AND, AND HAVE CHALLENGES. I WOULD SAY THAT'D BE A GREAT EXERCISE AS AT SOME POINT TO TAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS PERHAPS FROM YOU GUYS ARE OUT THERE MAINTAINING, YOU PROBABLY KNOW BETTER THAN MAYBE [00:15:01] THE ARCHITECT MAKES IT LOOK NICE, AND YOU GUYS KNOW HOW IT REALLY WORKS. SO COULD WE ASK FOR SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON POSSIBLE JUST TO CONSIDER FOR THE NEXT MEETING AND HUNDRED PERCENT. OKAY. I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT, TO ADD, SHOULD I ADD THAT TO HERE TO, UH, WE CAN ASK THAT, GENERALIZE THAT FOR, FOR NEXT NEXT MEETING. WE CAN HAVE A A, CAN WE AMEND THIS TO ASK FOR THE REPORT, THE INFO NOW, AND THEN RECEIVE IT AT THE NEXT MEETING TO LIKE ADVANCE? UH, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS FOR CONSERVATION COURT TO DO AN ASSESSMENT OF THE CURRENT PLANT MATERIAL, UH, THE HEALTH OF IT, AND COME BACK TO US IN NOVEMBER WITH, UH, UH, A REPORT ON WHAT THOSE CONDITIONS ARE AND PERHAPS A RECOMMENDATION FOR A CHANGE ON SOME LEVEL. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH, IT'S PERFECT. OKAY. SO THAT'S CONSIDERED A, LIKE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. WE JUST NEED THE MAKER OF THE MOTION TO LIKE APPROVE THAT. FRIENDLY. YEAH. UM, UM, OKAY. SO I MAKE THAT MOTION. SO QUESTION, DO I MAKE A MOTION TO DO THAT? WHAT YOU DID WAS MAKE A MOTION OKAY. ADDED TO APPROVE RECOMMENDATION AS AMEN. AND THEN WE'LL INCLUDE YOUR SUGGESTIONS AS LONG AS THE PEOPLE THAT MADE THE MOTION SECOND, UM, APPROVE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. SO DOES THE MAKER MOTION WANT TO INCLUDE THAT IN THE RECOMMENDATION? WHO MADE THE MOTION? UH, THE MOTION WAS MADE BY THE READING OF THE WELL WOULD BE TO HEAR THE CONVERSATION. WE, WE TOOK A MOTION. THERE WAS A SECOND. YEAH. SO, UH, WE ARE, WE GO BACK ON MADE MOTION. I HAVE VICE CHAIRS. SO ON ITEM FOUR, RECOMMENDATION, RECEIVE THESE STATUS UPDATES. UH, I'D LIKE TO ADD A MOTION TO, UH, HAVE CONSERVATION CORPS COME BACK IN NOVEMBER WITH A STATUS UPDATE OF CURRENT PLANT MATERIAL AND A RECOMMENDATION FOR ANY CHANGES. SO I NEED A SECOND ON THAT. SECOND. OKAY. AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND APPROVE BOTH. THIS IS, THIS IS A, UH, THIS IS WHY WE'RE NOT ELECTED . OKAY. UH, THAT'S AWESOME. WE'RE GONNA, THAT'S GREAT TO ADD THAT, DAVID. OKAY. UH, SO SECONDLY, ON YOUR REPORT, UH, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT COMING IN AS ASKED TO PICK UP, UH, EXTRA STUFF. IS, IS THAT AN ADDED FEE TO, UH, TO SERVICES OR IS THAT PART OF SERVICES? I, I DON'T THINK THAT WAS, THAT WAS MATTER FEE, RIGHT? RIGHT HAND, NO. OKAY. AND SO HOW MANY OF THOSE, UH, ASKS DO WE GET FOR, WE'RE, WE'RE THE, THE QUESTION IS, ARE WE WITHIN SCOPE OF WORK TO CONTINUE TO DO THIS? BECAUSE IT, IT, WE'RE DOING IT MORE AND MORE. AND IF WE'RE DOING IT MORE AND MORE, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WE DON'T RUN OUT RUNWAY ON IT. AND IS IT WITHIN THE SCOPE OF WORK THAT, THAT THE EXTRA CALL OUTS TO DO THESE EXTRA THINGS IS INCLUDED AND, AND EVERYTHING'S OKAY? THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. YEAH. SO I'LL DIRECT IT OVER HERE. DO YOU UNDERSTAND? SO I, I I'M NOT QUITE FAMILIAR YET WITH THE, UH, CONTRACT ITSELF. OKAY. BUT, UM, I'LL TO DOUBLE CHECK AND SEE IF THAT'S WITHIN THE SCOPE OF WORK AND, UH, IF IT FALLS WITHIN IT. SURE. I MEAN, AS, AS IT GOES IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, IN THIS DISTRICT, UH, THANKFULLY THE MORE AND MORE PEOPLE WHO COME VISIT, UH, THEY PRODUCE MORE AND MORE REFUSE AND MORE AND MORE ISSUES. UH, THERE'S THINGS THAT HAPPEN WITH THE FLOW OF, OF VISITORS THAT WE HAVE, ESPECIALLY ON WEEKENDS OR WITH EVENTS. UH, THE, THE, THE BUSINESS ASSOCIATION PRODUCES, UH, UH, MORE THAN A DOZEN, UH, EVENTS A YEAR THAT BRING IN MORE PEOPLE THAN NORMAL. UH, AND THE BUSINESSES ARE DOING, UH, BETTER. UH, SO WITH THAT INFLUX OF VISITORS COMES THE REQUEST TO TAKE CARE OF THE STUFF. IS THAT WITHIN THE SCOPE OF WORK OR DO WE HAVE TO DO INCREASING THE SCOPE OF WORK AND IS THAT GONNA AFFECT I I THE OVERALL VALUE OF THE CONTRACT? I THINK THIS WAS, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, MIGHT HAVE BEEN A ONE OFF REQUEST. UH, 'CAUSE USUALLY OUR SCOPE OF WORK IS, YOU KNOW, MAINTAINING SIDEWALKS, BIG . OKAY. SO THAT'S EXACTLY MY QUESTION IS IT'S A ONE OFF. HOW MANY ONE OFFS DO WE GET A ONE OFF ? IF, IF WE DE IF IT, IF CONSERVATION COURT FEELS LIKE, UH, AN [00:20:01] ADDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, REQUEST IS OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF WORK, IT SHOULD, WE SHOULD HAVE A PROPOSAL SENT TO US AND WE SHOULD DISCUSS DOING ANOTHER ONE. WE HAVE SOMETHING DOCUMENTATION TO THE CONTRACT. YEAH. WE HAVE TO, WE DON'T FEEL BAD ABOUT DOING IT 'CAUSE IT'S GONNA GET, WE'RE GONNA GET A BILL FOR IT. RIGHT. AND IT'S OKAY. WE JUST HAVE TO GO WALK FOR IT. YEAH, EXACTLY. SO THAT IT'S NOT A ONE OFF AND WE DON'T FEEL BAD ABOUT ASKING. RIGHT. YEAH. AND, AND ANOTHER THING TO CONSIDER IS TOO, THAT THE, UH, VEHICLES THAT WE USE IN ORDER TO SERVICE THE, UH, A REGULAR SCOPE OF WORK, THEY'RE NOT EQUIPPED. UH, PROBABLY THE ONE OFF HAPPENED TO HAVE GONE SOMEONE ELSE FROM OUR, UH, YARD WITH A VEHICLE THAT WAS ABLE TO CARRY OUT THE BULKY STUFF. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO, UH, YEAH, I'M REALLY GLAD THIS IS COMING OUT. 'CAUSE THERE WAS A, A MATTRESS BEHIND S IN THE ALLEY'S ACTUALLY BEHIND , BUT LIKE, IT WAS IN THERE AND IT WAS THERE FOR, I CAME, I SAID, OH, IT SAT THERE AND SOMEONE TOLD ME IT'D BEEN THERE FOR TWO DAYS. I'M LIKE, OH. SO I TOLD MY TEAM ABOUT THE GO LONG BEACH APP, YOU KNOW, AND LIKE, I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE PICKED UP THAT DAY OR THE NEXT DAY, BUT IT WAS LIKE TWO DAYS MORE UNTIL, AND THERE'S PEOPLE, THE, UH, THE, THE SECURITY TEAM THAT WE HAVE AROUND HERE IS KEPT COMING AND THERE'S A GAL THAT KEPT GOING AND SLEEPING ON IT. AND SO THEY WOULD'VE TO COME EVERY LIKE, AND SHE'D COME RIGHT BACK AND LAY ON IT. SHE'S LIKE, AH, THEN THEY'D HAVE TO KEEP ANYWAY, IT JUST ATTRACTS, UH, OR STUFF. SO IF SOMEONE REPORTS SOMETHING, GO LONG BEACH APP DID, DID THAT. I'M ASSUMING THAT DOESN'T GET TO THEM SEPARATE. ARE YOU GUYS EVEN EQUIPPED TO LIKE, DO THE MORE LARGE ITEM PICKUP IF NEEDED? OR? IT DEPENDS. UH, WE DON'T, UH, CORRECT IF I'M WRONG, BUT, UH, I DON'T THINK WE ARE EQUIPPED TO REMOVE, UH, PERSONS FROM OH, OH NO, NOT THE PERSON, JUST THE MATTRESS IN REGARDS TO MATTRESSES AND SOFAS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. LIKE, UH, UH, WE HAVE, YEAH. SECURITY CAN COME AND HAVE THE PERSON LEAVE. CORRECT. AND THEN YOU GUYS CAN TAKE THE ITEMS SO THAT THEY DON'T COME BACK. THEY, THEY KEPT COMING BACK AND IT WAS A, WAS AN ISSUE FOR DELIVERIES AND RESIDENTS AND EVERYTHING, SO, OKAY. SO HAVING A YEAH, I THINK JUST EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE ASKING. IT'S NOT A ONE OFF. IT'S GONNA BE MORE THAN A ONE OFF. WE CAN INCLUDE MAYBE BOTH THE ITEMS THAT THEY'RE THERE. WE JUST HAVE TO, I I'M JUST SAYING WE NEED TO HEAD IT ON YEAH. SO THAT IT'S NOT A SURPRISE YEAH. GOING FORWARD. WELL, AND, AND WOULD THE D AND HOW DO THEY, BECAUSE IF THEY DON'T GET NOTIFIED BY THE GO ON BEACH APP AND LIKE OF COURSE WE'LL REPORT ON THERE TOO, BUT DO WE CALL THE DSV? I WANT TO BURDEN HEATHER WITH THAT. HOW, WHAT'S THE PROCESS THINK? WE USED TO GO THROUGH THE BSBA AND SHE'S IN CONTACT WITH CONSERVATION CORPS ON A DAILY BASIS, AND SHE'LL, UH, MAKE CERTAIN THAT, THAT THEY ATTEND TO WHAT? UH, AWESOME. UM, AWESOME. SO THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S GREAT. UH, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS? UH, I THINK WE HIT EVERYTHING WE NEED TO HIT ON THIS, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT. ANY QUESTIONS, UH, OR COMMENTS RATHER FROM THE PUBLIC ON ATION? OKAY. WE, UH, WE HAVE, UH, A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE ORIGINAL ITEM. UH, ALL IN FAVOR. AND THEN ON THE SUBSEQUENT, UH, IT'S NOT A SEPARATE VOTE, SO WE TOOK THE ORIGINAL MOTION AND WE ADDED MORE TO IT. IT'S FRIENDLY, IT'S JUST THE SAME PEOPLE, SAME VOTE. SO ONE VOTE. YEAH. THIS WAS AN AMENDMENT TO THE PRODUCTION COST, RIGHT? YES. PERFECT. PLEASE. OKAY. UH, ITEM FIVE, RECOMMENDATION TO DISCUSS INCREASING PARKING HOURS, UH, FROM 10:00 AM TO 7:00 PM UH, TO A POSSIBLE TIMEFRAME. UM, I I'D LIKE TO, YOU DON'T SAY THANKS. SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO THANK, THANK RECORD. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO, OH YEAH, JUST TELL THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH. WE, WE, WE FINISHED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, SO I THINK THAT THE BEST THING TO IS TO OPEN THIS UP FOR COMMISSIONER, UH, CONVERSATION. AND THEN WE'LL CERTAINLY GET SOME, UH, FEEDBACK, HOPEFULLY FROM, UH, THE PUBLIC ON THIS THOUGHT IS THAT WE WANT TO CREATIVELY, ORGANICALLY TRY TO, UH, INCREASE THE REVENUE AND ANSWER TO WHAT WE DO WITH THE COLLECTIVE FUNDS FROM THE METERS. UH, THESE QUALITY OF LIFE PROJECTS, CONSERVATION, CORE SECURITY, MEDIA, LANDSCAPING, THE SIDE, UH, ALL THE THINGS THAT WE ALMOST NEED, WE SPEND MONEY ON. UH, THOSE COSTS, UH, ARE GOING UP EXPONENTIALLY, NOT ANNUALLY, BUT SEEMINGLY QUARTERLY, UH, IF NOT MORELY. AND WE CAN CONTINUE TO TRY TO RAISE, [00:25:01] UH, METER RATES. UM, BUT IF WE DO THAT TOO QUICKLY, UH, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A, THE SYSTEM. SO I THINK WE'RE FORCED, WE'RE FORCED TO THINK OF OTHER CREATIVE WAYS TO GENERATE REVENUE. AND ONE OF THOSE WAYS IS TO INCREASE THE HOURS THAT WE COLLECT THAT REVENUE. SO HISTORICALLY IN THIS DISTRICT, IT'S BEEN 10:00 AM TO 7:00 PM SEVEN DAYS A WEEK SINCE HOLIDAYS. SO THE, THE DISCUSSION IS THAT YOU SHOULD WE CONSIDER INCREASING HOURS TO, UH, 8:00 PM 9:00 PM 10:00 PM UH, ON THE BACKSIDE, OR PULL IT DOWN TO THE FRONT SIDE AND START AT, UH, AT EIGHT OR 9:00 AM UM, A COMBINATION THEREOF. BOTH. NONE. UM, SO WITH THAT, I'LL JUST OPEN UP FOR DISCUSSION. CAN YOU GET A MOTION A SECOND? UH, YES. I NEED A MOTION, UH, UH, RECOMMENDATION, A MOTION TO DISCUSS THE INCREASING PARKING YOUR HOURS FROM 10:00 AM TO 7:00 PM UH, TO THE POSSIBLE TIMEFRAME. MOTIONAL, I RECOMMEND TO DISCUSS CHANGING HOW THE BE DIRECTORS. HAVE A SECOND, PLEASE. SECOND. OKAY. SO PLEASE. I MEAN, UH, MY INITIAL REACTION BEING SOMEONE WHO HAS LIVED IN THIS AREA FOR A LONG TIME WHILE WORKING, WE NOT LONG FOR PERIOD OF TIME AND WORKED IN, LIVED VERY CLOSE THERE. JUST EXPERIENCED IT. YOU KNOW, MY INITIAL REACTION IS LIKE, NO, I DON'T LIKE IT. BUT IF WE WERE TO EXPLORE A, A, A CHANGE, I WOULD SAY A CHANGE IN THE EVENING WOULD BE BETTER. ONE, IT'S BUSIER, WE'LL GET MORE BANG FOR THE BUCK. AND TWO, THE MORNING IS A LOT MORE RESIDENTS RUNNING ERRS, GOING TO GYM, YOU'RE AT THE BELLMONT WORKING OUT, LIKE MOVE YOUR CAR TO THE ALERT. YOU KNOW, LIKE THAT KIND OF QUALITY OF LIFE THING FOR OUR NEIGHBORS AND STUFF. LIKE, I'D SAY IF WE DO NEED TO GET SOME MORE MONEY TO GO, I WOULD PROPOSE THE BACK END. MAYBE IT'S INCREMENTAL, MAYBE GO ONE MORE HOUR. I DON'T KNOW, TEST IT. UM, THAT'S MY INITIAL THOUGHTS. I'M GONNA AGREE. I THINK CHANGING THE MORNING WOULD BE A WASTE, BUT AS THE DAY GOES ON, IT GETS, SO I PROBABLY WOULD CHANGE THE METER NINE O'CLOCK BECAUSE I THINK, UH, OUR GOAL TOO IS TO SUPPORT THE PRO THE PROJECTS THAT WE DO. AND EVEN THOUGH IT MIGHT SOUND CRUEL, WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT. LIKE YOU SAID, EVERYTHING IS GOING UP IN COSTS AND I THINK WE SHOULD DO THAT, MAYBE EVEN AT TRIAL. I DUNNO. SO, UM, I THINK I, I THINK I AGREE WITH, WITH ERIN ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, LEAVING THE MORNING ALONE. UM, UH, THE, THAT IS KIND OF LIKE MORE RESIDENCE TIME. UM, THAT, THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME. UM, THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD IS, UM, THE, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT, UH, THE, THE BUSINESSES WHO HAVE PARKLETS, UM, THEIR, UH, THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT SPACE, UM, IS IT'S GONNA AFFECT THEIR COSTS. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE ALSO WANNA, I, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M NON BUSINESS OWNER HERE, SO I'M SURE YOU GUYS HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS, BUT THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME TO ME. AND WHETHER THAT'S JUST MARGINAL OR HOW, HOW, YOU KNOW, THAT PLAYS OUT, UM, THE, THE TWO BUSINESSES THAT, THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED SO FAR AND ARE CURRENTLY UNDERWAY ON CONSTRUCTION, UM, THERE IS AN OFFSET TO THE SPACE, THE TWO SPACES AROUND THE ROAD. AND THE OFFSET AS PROPOSED BY THE PARKING COMMISSION A COUPLE YEARS AGO, WAS GONNA BE A PERCENTAGE OF WHAT A METER WOULD DO TOP, YOU KNOW, THE MAXIMUM AND SOMEWHERE, YOU KNOW, DOWN BELOW AND, AND HOW MANY, WHAT, WHAT'S THE THE MEAN AVERAGE OF THAT METER? WELL, THAT CONVERSATION WENT PAST PRETTY QUICK. AND THE, THE DECISION WAS MADE THAT IT'S THE MAXIMUM FOR A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE TIME THAT METER STICKS OUT OF THE GROUND. SO THE OFFSET TO THE BUSINESS ON BOTH METER HEADS IS 100% OF THAT REVENUE FOR HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE TIME. THAT'S THE LAST I HEARD. AND I'M ONE OF THOSE BUSINESSES, RIGHT? SO WE DON'T MIND, UH, IT, IT'S LITERALLY SAY IT'S THE COST [00:30:01] OF DOING BUSINESS. SO THAT'S THE ANSWER TO THAT. THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE CAN DO ABOUT IT. SO IT'S WHAT, IT'S, UM, THE, THE THOUGHT ABOUT RESONANCE BEING MORE AFFECTED TO VISITORS, TO THE DISTRICTS. UH, CERTAINLY WE CAN ALL SEE THE LOGIC TO THAT. CERTAINLY THERE'S MORE TRAFFIC IN THE EVENINGS THAN THERE IS IN THE MORNING TIME. UM, AGAIN, SPEAKING AS A, AS A BUSINESS OWNER AND A RESTAURANT OWNER, WOULD THAT AFFECT MY EVENING TRAFFIC? YOU KNOW, I, I CAN SEE YAY OR NATE TO THAT BASED ON, YOU KNOW, DINNER TRAFFIC, GENERALLY SIX TO EIGHT. UH, PEOPLE ARE MINDFUL OF LEADERS FOR THAT, THAT POCKET ANYWAY. UM, YOU KNOW, THEN WE HAVE A, A ANOTHER TYPE OF BUSINESS THAT COMES IN LATER IN THE EVENING. UM, AND THIS REALLY DOESN'T AFFECT THAT. SO IT'S KIND OF A POCKET THAT RUNS BETWEEN DINNER AND, UM, THE LATE NIGHT STUFF, BUT THAT A LOT OF OTHER BUSINESSES SHARE WITH ME. UM, I'LL, I'LL LEAVE THAT HOUSE IS THERE, THEN I'LL COME BACK AFTER SOMETHING. OH, YEAH. UM, SO FOR THE RECORD, LIKE CURRENTLY, IF WE HAD TO VOTE TODAY, I WOULD VOTE JUST TO NOT CHANGE IT AT ALL. AND, BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE, BUT JUST 'CAUSE I, I DON'T, I DON'T, UM, LIKE WE ALWAYS GET A SECOND DINNER IN BETWEEN SEVEN AND EIGHT, YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW THERE'S PEOPLE THAT KNOW IF IT'S PARKING FREE, I'M GONNA GO RIGHT UP FRONT AND I'M GONNA ENJOY IT. AND WE GET A POP. I DON'T KNOW IF IT, I NEVER INTERVIEWED THEM OR ASKED LIKE TO, TO SEE IF IT'S RELATED, BUT IT IS A THING. AND I'M SURE TO YOUR POINT, I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT IT UP 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, IT COULD IMPACT. BUT, UM, WHAT I, I'D BE CURIOUS TO FIND OUT IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS DECISION, UM, WHAT DO WE EXPECT THAT TO BRING? LIKE WHAT ARE WE TALKING HERE? LIKE I, WHAT IF WE CHANGE IT AN HOUR, IT BREAK WITH YOU? WHAT, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE, CAN WE GET LIKE A FORECAST OF SOME KIND? LIKE, HEY, IF WE DID ONE EXTRA HOUR, WE HAVE THIS MANY METERS AND THE AVERAGE USAGE IS LIKE ABOUT X, YOU KNOW, IN THAT SIX TO SEVEN HOUR AND JUST COPY THAT PERCENTAGE AND THEN JUST KIND OF DO A BUDGET FORECAST AND LIKE, WHAT ARE WE TALKING HERE? ARE WE TALKING LIKE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OR ARE WE TALKING LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE, AND THEN I'M SURE AS THE NIGHT GOES ON IT'LL TAPER DOWN, YOU KNOW, SO WHAT'S THAT KIND OF, YOU KNOW, I THINK IF WE ASK BOARD ANALYSIS AND WE COME BACK ON THIS BOARD NOVEMBER MEETING, AND, AND THE ASK IS ON THE NUMBER OF LEADERS THAT ARE IN PLAY IN THE DISTRICT, IF THEY WERE, UH, AT 70%, IT'S X AT 80%, UH, AT 90% AND 100%, THOSE ARE SIMPLE NUMBERS TO CALCULATE BASED ON THE INCREASE. YEAH. THE OTHER THING THAT COMES TO MIND IS THAT THIS PARTICULAR ITEM HAS BEEN, UH, ON THE AGENDA, IT WAS, UH, CERTAINLY THE AGENDAS FOR PUBLIC CONSUMPTION. AND, UH, THERE SEEMINGLY ISN'T, UH, UH, UH, ANY INCREASE IN, IN OUR ATTENDANCE HERE TO DICTATE THAT, THAT PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED THAT RESIDENTS ARE CONCERNED, OR BUSINESS OWNERS ARE CONCERNED. I MENTIONED THIS AT, UH, BSBA MEETING TWICE OVER TWO MEETINGS. UM, UM, WE ACTUALLY DISCUSSED IT AT, UM, UM, A BOARD MEETING. UM, AND, UH, I, I WAS VERY CAREFUL TO SAY, HEY, YOU SHOULD GO TO THIS MEETING AND VOICE YOUR CONCERN ABOUT IT. UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY. UM, AND HERE WE ARE. I DON'T SEE ANY BUSINESS OWNERS, UH, UH, HERE TODAY. UH, I SEE REGULAR RESIDENTS THAT COME, AND YOU GUYS ARE AWESOME AND IT'S WONDERFUL, UM, BUT SEEMINGLY THIS ISN'T MOVING ANYBODY'S KNEE. AND THAT IS SURPRISING TO ME. UM, SO WITH THAT, I DON'T THINK WE OWE IT TO THE COMMUNITY TEAMS. JUST A SECOND. I THINK WE GO TO THE COMMUNITY TO PUSH THIS ONE MORE MONTH, UH, GET THE ANALYSIS ON WHAT THE REVENUE INCREASE WOULD BE. UM, I, I FEEL LIKE THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT MATTER WHETHER WE APPROVE IT AS A COMMISSION, UH, RECOMMENDED DOWNTOWN OR NOT. UM, BUT THIS IS, I I'M JUST, FRANKLY, I'M SURPRISED THAT THERE'S NOT MORE PEOPLE HERE VOICING THE, UH, OPINION ABOUT IT. SO, GO AHEAD. WELL, I, IT, IT WAS REALLY A CLEAR EXACTLY WHAT IT, WHAT IT IS TO, I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S A DISCUSSION, SO A DISCUSSION ISN'T A VOTE. AND THIS WAS THE FIRST, I, I, I DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ANY CONTEXT EXCEPT THAT OBVIOUSLY IT COULD BE MORE, YOU KNOW, FINANCIAL, UH, REVENUES. BUT I WAS, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD NEED MORE [00:35:01] DATA TO BE ABLE TO SAY, IS THIS GOOD OR BAD? AND I'M SURE, YOU KNOW, HEARING IT, I WAS AT THE B-S-B-A-B-A, BUT AGAIN, IT WASN'T REALLY, YOU KNOW, FRAMED IN ANY PARTICULAR WAY EXCEPT THAT WE'RE EXPLORING IT. SO EXPLORING MEANS GETTING MORE DATA TO HAVE AN IDEA ABOUT WHAT IT CORRECT IS A HUNDRED PERCENT. SO, SO THAT'S, THAT'S POINT NUMBER, NUMBER TWO. UM, I DO AGREE. I, I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT HERE AND I BUSINESS HERE, AND I'M A RESIDENT HERE. I LIVED ON SECOND STREET PRETTY MUCH MY WHOLE LIFE. SO I PER FROM, FROM BOTH STANDPOINTS, FROM A BUSINESS STANDPOINT, I DON'T THINK IT'S VERY BUSINESS FRIENDLY. 'CAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO, TO SAY THAT LONG BEACH IS BUSINESS FRIENDLY, YET WHEN YOU ADD MORE METER TIME AND YOU MAKE IT MORE RESTRICTIVE, THAT MAKES IT SEEM UNFRIENDLY. AND I HEAR THAT FROM PEOPLE THAT GO TO OTHER CITIES WHERE THEY EITHER DON'T HAVE METERS AT ALL, BUT THEY MAKE PARKING VERY, VERY EASY. SO IT'S ALREADY IMPACTED. UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ASSUMING THAT RESIDENTS USE IT MORE IN THE MORNING. I CAN'T SAY THAT BECAUSE IN THE MORNING YEP. PEOPLE MIGHT GO TO THE GYM. THAT'S ONE EXAMPLE. UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE HEAD KNOCKED TO WORK. A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE DO ERRANDS AFTER WORK THAT THAT'S WHAT I SEE. OR THEY WANT TO RUN, PICK UP THE PIZZA, GO OR GET THEIR DINNER TO GO. AND IT'S A DETERRENT, YOU KNOW, TO SAY, GEE, CAN I FIND A SPOT TO GO PICK UP SOMETHING AT WHICHEVER PLACE IT IS? AND SO, YOU KNOW, UNLESS YOU JUST WALK. BUT WHAT I THINK IS GONNA DO IS PUSH MORE PEOPLE INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD SO PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO WANNA PAY FOR PARK, YOU KNOW, THE METERS. AND I JUST, THEN IT'S GOING TO IMPACT THE NEIGHBORHOODS MORE BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE GONNA LOOK FOR FREE PARKING, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE GOING OUT TO HAVE A FEW DRINKS THEY DON'T WANT HAVE, KEEP WATCHING THEIR WATCH GO PUT MONEY IN NEED OR USE THE APP. BUT I, I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE AN UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE OF IT, BOTH PUSHING MORE PARK IMPACTING PARKING IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS, UM, HAVE MORE TIME ON THE BACK END. IF ANYTHING, I'M OPEN TO IT, BUT I'M SAYING THE MORNING, MAYBE THE MORNING, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT COULD BE, IF PEOPLE HAVE TO RUN ERRS IN THE MORNING, PUSH THE LITTLE BUTTON, 15 MINUTES, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GO MAIL LETTER OR SOMETHING. UM, BUT THAT, THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT, I THINK IT IS FAIR THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW. THAT THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING. OKAY. AND, AND, UM, THANK YOU A TON, UH, FOR THE INPUT. UM, THIS IS EXACTLY THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE. WE NEED TO LOOK AT, AT, AT ALL THESE ANGLES. YES, WE NEED MORE ANALYTICS ON IT. AND BY NOVEMBER WE'RE REVENUE GENERATING. AND, UM, SIMPLY BY VIRTUE OF THE FACT THAT IT'S SITTING HERE, DOESN'T MEAN IT'S A FA AND COMPLETE, BUT IN THE PAST WE'VE HAD THINGS THAT SHOW UP RIGHT HERE, AND THEY DO BECOME A FA AND COMPLETE, AND IT SURPRISES ME, UH, WHEN PEOPLE ARE, OH, AND, BUT YOU DIDN'T COME AND SPEAK ABOUT IT. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THIS COMMISSION IS FOR, IS SO THAT WE CAN HEAR THE, THE, UH, THE COMMUNITY, WE CAN HEAR BUSINESS OWNERS, UH, AND TAKE THAT AND DELIVER IT TO CITY COUNCIL. SO HOPEFULLY BY NEXT MONTH, UM, IT'LL, IT'LL CIRCULATE A LITTLE BIT MORE. WE GET MORE INPUT ON IT. I DON'T WANT TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS. I DON'T WANT TO RECOMMEND, I DON'T WANNA SIT ON A COMMISSION THAT BULLIES SOMETHING INTO THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY'RE NOT HAPPY WITH. UM, ESPECIALLY SOMETHING LIKE THIS. AND WE DO IT ROUTINELY. WE, WE BOTH HAVE METER INCREASES, UH, OR WE GO TO DO SOMETHING IMPORTANT LIKE, UH, GATEWAY SIDE AND I, YOU GET VERY LITTLE, UH, UH, INPUT AND IT'S KIND OF SHOCKING. WELL, YEAH, MAYBE BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING WE CAN GET A LITTLE BLURB IN THE RUNG OR THE PRESS OR SOMETHING. SO TOPIC IS COMING UP. WELL, IF YOU WANT TO GET IT OUT THERE, WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY IS, IF YOU PUT IT ON SOCIAL MEDIA, GUESS THERE, BUT YOU'RE GOING, BUT YOU'RE GONNA GET A, A STORM AND NO ONE. LIKE, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE THINK. AND I WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING, ABSENCE IS NOT, THIS MEETING'S AT NINE O'CLOCK, MOST PEOPLE ARE OUT OF WORK. THEY HAVE A KID, THEY GOT THE MOM. EVERYBODY'S BUSY TRYING TO GET JUST THEIR LIFE FOR THE DAY. BUSINESS OWNERS, IT'S SO HARD TO GET PEOPLE TO SHOW UP AT ALL KINDS OF MEETINGS. YOU ARE SO BUSY. AND LIKE, IF, DON'T MISTAKE PEOPLE NOT SHOWING UP TODAY TO HEAR AS APATHY. 'CAUSE IF YOU PUT IT OUT THERE IN THE ETHER, YOU'LL GET SOME SERIOUS BLOW BACK. LIKE, AND I, IF YOU WANT TO DO IT, BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO [00:40:01] SEE IT, YOU KNOW, I, I, I UNDERSTAND. I DO. UH, SO I JUST THINK WE NEED TO TAKE THIS SUBJECT, UH, CAREFUL. IT'S BEEN HOMES, IT BEEN LIKE THIS, LIKE A LONG, LONG TIME. 20 YEARS, 30 YEARS. THAT'S WHY WE'RE TAKING THE TIME CHANGING PEOPLE'S ROUTINE. THEIR ROUTINES ARE BUILT AROUND LIKE THIS THING, IT'S A TOTAL DISRUPTOR. SO I JUST WANT TAKE IT LIKE, ALSO PEOPLE WANT BOTH WAYS. THEY WANT THE COMMUNITY TO LOOK NICE. AND YET I WAS GONNA SAY THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT BECAUSE I WAS SAYING WHAT'S OUR FORWARD 12 MONTH BUDGET AND WHAT'S THE SHORTFALL? LIKE, WHAT PROJECTS DO WE NEED TO DO? WHERE I'VE BEEN ASKING, I KNOW WE HAVE SO MUCH TO DO, BUT IT'D BE COOL TO AGENDA SOMETHING THAT SAYS LIKE, HEY, HERE'S HOW MUCH A REVENUE IS NEXT YEAR WE'RE GONNA HAVE THIS INJURY YOU AND STUFF, AND HERE'S THE PROJECTS. AND LIKE, WHERE ARE WE AT? WELL, WE, WE HAVE, WE HAVE A, A KIND OF A MAYBE YOU'RE ALREADY DOING THAT. I, WELL, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A MYSTERY BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE END COST TO THE SIGN IS. AND THERE WAS A TIME WHEN WE WERE CONSIDERING PITCHING, UH, A LOAN REQUEST TO PUBLIC WORKS TO PAY FOR THE SIDE. UH, AND NOW WE LOOK AT, AT THE NUMBERS THAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE A, A SIX 51,000 IN RESERVES, BUT WE ALSO HAVE A BOND, UH, PAYMENT THAT COMES UP TOWARDS THE END OF THE YEAR. AND I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT, THAT WHEN THE FILL COMES ACROSS THE DESK, WE JUST, ENOUGH MONEY TO PAY FOR IT. THAT'S THE WHOLE THOUGHT. THAT'S A ONE TIME THING. YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT. AND, AND SO ON THAT, ON THAT JOKE THOUGH, LIKE, UM, UM, WITH THE SIGN AND EVERYTHING, IF THERE'S A GOOD ENOUGH, STRONG ENOUGH, WHY, BUT WHY WE THEN WE HAVE A STORY TO TELL. THEN WE CAN SAY, YEAH, IF WE CHANGE IT ONE HOUR, IT'S GONNA MAKE US THIS MUCH MONEY. WE THINK BY OUR CALCULATIONS THAT ARE REALLY EASY TO RUN, WE COULD DO IT RIGHT NOW. WE THINK CHANGING, IT'S GONNA CHANGE THIS. AND WITH THAT, WE CAN SUPPORT THIS WHATEVER. AND CAN TELL A STORY TOO WHENEVER IT COMES TO IT. THAT'S, IF IT WAS STRONG ENOUGH, WHY THEN I WOULD BE OKAY WITH EXPLORING THINGS. WELL, TO THAT POINT THOUGH, WE, OUR REVENUES ARE UP, RIGHT? SO, SO WE HAVE, WE RECEIVED MORE REVENUES AND WE JUST RAISE THE, THE COST OF CARBON. WELL, THAT IS RIGHT. SO THE ORGANIC, UH, AS OPPOSED TO THE SYNTHETIC IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. WE HISTORICALLY WE'VE ATTACKED THE SHORTAGE OF THE SHORTFALL OR THE, UH, THE INFLATIONARY ASPECT OF WHAT WE DO WITH JUST INCREASING MEDIA REVENUE. MM-HMM. BY INCREASING JUST THAT I SAY WE JUST INCREASED IT THOUGH. I MEAN, I THINK IT'S KIND OF A DOUBLE WHAMMY. DO BOTH THINGS. AGAIN, WAIT UNTIL WE SEE THE DATA. BUT I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST THAT WE GET AN IDEA ABOUT HOW MUCH MORE REVENUE WE'RE GENERATING WITH THE, YOU KNOW, METER ISSUES. EXACTLY. 'CAUSE THAT'S PROBABLY COVER EXACTLY. I ENVISION WOULD HAPPEN. MM-HMM. IS THE, THE GRAVITY OF THIS. AND I'M NOT PUTTING IT ON THE COMMUNITY TO SAY, GOSH, THEY NEED TO COME WITH A LOT OF INPUT AND, AND MAKE THIS HAPPEN. AND THIS IS, WE HAVE NEW COMMISSIONERS HERE. YOU GUYS ARE, ARE ENGAGED AND IT'S AWESOME. AND THAT'S THE REASON FOR THIS. THIS IS AN IMPORTANT, THIS IS, THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ITEM AND I WANT TO MAKE CERTAIN, UH, AND IT MAY NOT, IT MAY NOT SURVIVE. AND THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF THE COMMISSION. SO I, I JUST THINK THAT WE NEED TO, YES, WE'RE GONNA GET MORE ANALYTICS NEXT MONTH AND, UH, TAKE ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? WE'RE PERCOLATING JUST A LITTLE BIT. NO, UH, UM, I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE QUESTION IS GONNA COME DOWN TO SOMETHING THAT, UH, DEBORAH WAS, WAS MENTIONING, I THINK I WOULD AGREE ON. UM, WE REALLY NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS THE, THE, UM, THE NEED FOR MORE MONEY IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE'RE GONNA GET FROM THE INCREASED, UH, UH, METER FEES. WE DUNNO THAT YET. UM, AND WHAT IS GOING TO BE DUE FOR THE, THE SIGN, UM, UH, AND, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE BOND, UH, UH, PAYMENT IS. UM, WELL, WE, WE KNOW THAT WHAT BOND PAYMENT IS RIGHT NOW. YEAH. IT'S 200,000. SO, AND THAT'S, UM, SO THAT'S WITHIN, YOU KNOW, WHAT OUR NORMAL BUDGET IS, RIGHT? YEAH. SO ANYWAY, SO YEAH. THAT, THAT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M, UH, ALWAYS A LITTLE BIT RELUCTANT TO CHANGE THINGS UNLESS THERE'S A NEED TO DO THAT. AND, UM, YEAH. AT LEAST RIGHT NOW, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK WHAT WOULD HELP ME IS IF WE HAVE A A WHAT THE ANALYSIS IS HELPS US TO UNDERSTAND THE NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE PERCENT. AND I APPRECIATE THAT A LOT. I WOULD SAY. SO I HAVE A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE I LIVED IN ANOTHER COMMUNITY FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS, AND THE SOUTH BAY, UM, MANHATTAN, MOST [00:45:01] , THOSE RATES ARE SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN OUR RATES. AND THEY GO TO 2:00 AM YOU KNOW, THERE'S END, END IN HERMOSA, THEY STAGGERED IT TO WHERE IT'S, I THINK IT'S $2 DURING THE DAY, AND THEN FROM EIGHT O'CLOCK TO TWO IT GOES TO TWO 30. SO THEY HAVE DYNAMIC, RIGHT. SO THEY CORRECT. SO IT'S CATCHING THE BAR BROWSE. MM-HMM. , THEY'RE DOWN ON PIER AVENUE, RIGHT. YOU KNOW, THE, AS A BUSINESS OWNER, I DON'T, I MEAN, I, I DON'T CARE EITHER WAY. WHETHER, YOU KNOW, FROM A METER, THE COST, I DOUBT THINK IT IMPACTS WHETHER SOMEONE'S COMING TO MY, YOU KNOW, RESTAURANT OR NOT. BUT I REALLY DON'T, NO $2. I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S A, YOU KNOW, OH, I'M NOT GOING TO WHATEVER, WHATEVER, RIGHT? FOR THAT. I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, AT SEVEN O'CLOCK, YOU KNOW, I'VE WATCHED THE PARKING, UM, BY MY RESTAURANT AND IT JUST, IT BECOMES THEN STATIC. IT DOESN'T MEAN, RIGHT? I MEAN, PEOPLE PARK THAT THEY PARK AFTER SEVEN, THEY KNOW THEY DON'T HAVE TO FEED THE METER. AND THEN, SO, YOU KNOW, THEN YES, MAYBE THEY, THEY'RE STAYING WHERE THEY'RE STAYING AND CONTINUING TO DRINK OR, YOU KNOW, EAT OR WHAT HAVE YOU. BUT THAT ALSO DOESN'T ALLOW FOR THE, THE TURNOVER OF A PARKING SPOT TO BRING SOMEONE ELSE IN, RIGHT. TO NOW UTILIZE THAT PARKING SPOT IF, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE METER, BECAUSE A METER'S GONNA BE UP. LET'S JUST, YOU KNOW, WHY DON'T WE GET A LITTLE SO AND SO, OKAY. SO ANYHOW, I DON'T THINK THAT, I DON'T THINK IT'S UN BUSINESS FRIENDLY, I DON'T THINK, I THINK IT'S THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS. I THINK IT'S THE COST OF CONTINUING THE BEAUTIFICATION OF THIS COMMUNITY THAT THAT IS, I THINK, REQUIRED BY ALL EVERYBODY WHO COMES TO THIS, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY AND THE RESIDENTS. AND UNFORTUNATELY, AS WE HAVE ALL EXPERIENCES BUSINESS OWNERS, IT'S MORE AND MORE EXPENSIVE TO JUST DO BUSINESS, EVEN IF YOU'RE STAYING, YOU KNOW, STAYING THE COURSE AND NOT DOING ANYTHING UNIQUE OR, OR UNUSUAL. OKAY. SO TAKE AWAY THERE IS THE NEIGHBORING BEACH COMMUNITIES, UH, GO FAR DEEPER INTO THE CLOCK. UH, THEY'RE FAR MORE EXPENSIVE. WE KNEW THAT, UH, WE'VE HAD THOSE DISCUSSIONS BEFORE. UH, REALLY THE ONLY NEIGHBORING COMMUNITY THAT WE HAVE THAT THAT DOES IT COMPLETELY DIFFERENT IS SEAL BEACH. UM, 'CAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE METERS AT ALL. AND THAT IS CERTAINLY ONE BROADCASTING BUSINESS FRIENDLY AND VISITOR FRIENDLY. UM, THEY DO A LOT OF THINGS DIFFERENTLY AT SEAL BEACH, UH, THAT WE CAN EMULATE OR NOT. UM, THIS TOPIC REQUIRES MUCH MORE CONVERSATION. UM, I AGREE. I I THINK EVERYONE'S OPINION IS, IS VALID AND, UH, MEANINGFUL. SO WE'RE PUSHING TO NOVEMBER FOR, UH, SOME ANALYTICS ON WHAT THE INCREASE WILL BE. UM, THE LAST THING, UH, I'LL ADD, UH, IS LET'S ALL BE MINDFUL OF THE MINI PROGRAMS THAT WE BRING TO THE COMMUNITY, INCLUDING SECURITY, UM, WHICH I STILL THINK IS A INCREDIBLY VALUABLE SERVICE. UH, AND THE THOUGHT OF INCREASING THAT AS WE GO FORWARD TO MEET THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING. UM, I DON'T KNOW ANY OTHER WAY TO SOLVE OR HEAD ON OR PROVIDE THEN THROW MONEY AT IT. AND, UH, AND I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, WHAT YOU'RE THINKING IS, WELL, THAT'S GREAT, BUT LET'S, LET'S FIND OUT EXACTLY HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST, UM, BEFORE WE DO THAT. AND, AND I AGREE WITH THAT. UM, SO THIS IS A, THIS IS A GROUP THINK COMMISSION AND I WOULD LOVE THE INPUT DIRECTION AND WE'RE DOING GREAT SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY BY DISCUSSING IT. SO WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE A MOTION, UH, WE HAVE AN AUGMENTATION. UH, WE HAVE A SECOND. GO AHEAD. SO, UM, I, CAN WE GIVE, UH, UH, IS RYAN GONNA BE DOING THE, THE ANALYTICS ON THIS? UH, GIVE HIM A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, OF PARAMETERS. SURE. WE TALKED ABOUT IS, IS, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, UH, LEAVING THE MORNING ALONE. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ABSOLUTELY. SO WE CAN ABSOLUTELY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 8:00 AM AND 10:00 PM WHAT THE REVENUE GENERATION WOULD BE ON 60%, 70% PERCENT PERCENT BETWEEN 8:00 AM AND 10:00 PM YEP. OKAY. AT 8:00 AM AND, AND 10:00 AM 8:00 AM AND 10:00 AM AND THEN WE CAN DO THE ANALYTICS BETWEEN 7:00 PM AND 10:00 PM OKAY. UM, AGAIN, BREAK IT THROUGH HOURLY AND THEN, UH, AS THE LEADERSHIP BE USED AT 60% LEVEL, [00:50:01] UP TO HUNDRED PERCENT. YEAH. THEY'RE ONLY PROBABLY USED LIKE 40% OR SOMETHING. BUT ANYWAY, SO, AND THEN, UM, UH, ARE, ARE THERE ANY OTHER, UH, AREAS IN THE CITY THAT HAVE DIFFERENT, UH, TIME TIMEFRAMES FOR THEIR METERS THAT WE COULD USE AS THE DOWNTOWN CORE HAS HOURS THERE? DO YOU HAVE THAT DOWN? YEAH, DOWNTOWN CORE IS 9:00 AM TO 9:00 PM AND THEN THE PIKE AREA IS 9:00 AM TO 9:00 PM THOSE ARE THE ONLY, THOSE ARE THE ONLY ONES. THERE'S SOME GOOD, EVERYBODY ELSE IS LIKE THAT. I FEEL LIKE THIS IS NOT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THAT'S GOOD DATA, BUT IF WE'RE GONNA COMPARE OURSELVES TO OTHER CITIES, THEN I WOULD RATHER HAVE IT BE NOT JUST SEC, YOU KNOW, SECONDARY. I MEAN, WE NEED TO DO THE ACTUAL RESEARCH, YOU KNOW, AND GET THE ACTUAL, DO A COMPARISON AND DO A COMPETITIVE ANALYSIS AND, AND DO IT THE RIGHT WAY. NOT JUST US SAYING WHAT WE KNOW. SO, RIGHT. YEAH. THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE MORE DATA AS OPPOSED TO A**L. I THINK IT'S THAT BALANCE BETWEEN LIKE BEING JUST LIKE A, HAVING, MAYBE THAT'S A BENEFIT TO US THAT WE ARE DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, AND THAT PEOPLE THINK THAT IT FEELS GOOD ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE VERSUS DOWNTOWN. WHAT, WHATEVER. I JUST, I THINK IT'S A BIGGER QUESTION THAN I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT CAN BE ANSWERED NEXT WEEK. I MEAN, MAYBE WE NEED A WORKING GROUP AND WE NEED MORE DATA OR MORE INFORMATION AND TALK ABOUT WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE. BECAUSE AGAIN, WHAT IS THE BUDGET FOR THE YEAR? WHAT ARE WE SPENDING DOLLARS ON? WHAT ARE OUR PRIORITIES? AND THEN, AND WHAT THINGS DO WE SEE? DO WE HAVE CAPITAL PROJECTS? WHAT KIND OF PROJECTS DO WE HAVE? AND ARE THERE OTHER WAYS TO GENERATE REVENUE? CAN WE GET GRANTS? ARE THERE OTHER REVENUE SOURCES? SO I, I DON'T WANT TO JUST ONLY LOOK TO ONE WAY OF SOLVING OUR PROBLEM BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S A SIMPLE SOLUTION, BUT IT MAY NOT BE THAT SIMPLE AND IT MIGHT, MAY HAVE CREATE BAD WILL WITH THE COMMUNITY TOO. SO I, I'M NOT SAYING YES OR NO, I'M JUST SAYING MORE STUDY IS BETTER. OKAY. DO YOU WANT, OF COURSE. UH, I, I WILL SPEAK REAL QUICK TO THE REVENUE GENERATION, UM, BECAUSE WE'RE A, WE'RE AN ADVISORY COMMISSION. WE DON'T CONTROL THAT OTHER THAN, THAN ADVISING, UH, RELATIVE TO GRANT GENERATION OR, UH, ANYTHING ELSE IN, IN MY THOUGHT, THE ONLY WAY WE GENERATE REVENUE IS THROUGH METER. OKAY. AND SO THAT, THAT AT LEAST I THINK WE, WE KNOW THAT, UM, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY WHAT YOU SAID WE HAVE ON JUST THE METER, AND I REALLY LIKE WHAT YOU HAD TO SAY, AND MAYBE MAYBE ONCE WE GET THIS INFORMATION, YOU LOOK AT THAT PROGRAM OF CHANGING THE DOLLAR AMOUNT AT NIGHT, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE WE, WE DO. THAT'S ADDING A DYNAMIC PRICING RIGHT. ELEMENT TO THE CONVERSATION. I'M JUST SAYING, I LIKE WHAT YOU DO, WHERE YOU LIVE. DO WE, DO WE HAVE ANY EXPERIENCE IN LONG BEACH WITH DYNAMIC PRICING? THERE WAS A STUDY ABOUT 12 YEARS AGO CALLED THE, AND WE CAN PULL THAT OUTTA THE ARCHIVES, UH, IF WE NEED TO REFER TO IT. AND IT DID ANALYTICS ON DYNAMIC PRICING, UH, THE PROS AND CONS AND WHAT IT GENERATES. IT'S A COMPLICATED, UH, RECIPE. AND THAT ALONE IS, UH, YOU TANTAMOUNT TO, UM, YOUR LOCAL RESTAURANT OR BAR WHERE YOU GO AND ORDER SOMETHING AND IT COST THIS, UH, BUT AT 10 O'CLOCK ON SATURDAY NIGHT, NOW IT COSTS THIS. AND, AND IT'S A WAY TO, IN MY OPINION, BLOCK YOUR CUSTOMERS OVER THE HEAD, UH, WHEN THEY'RE NECESSARILY NOT PAYING ATTENTION. UM, THAT'S THE CLEANEST WAY TO LOOK AT IS IT'S TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE CONSUMER WHEN THEY'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION. AND I'M NOT A FAN OF DYNAMIC PRICING PERSONALLY. YEAH, OKAY. NO, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE, I MEAN, UH, WHATEVER THE PROGRAMMING WOULD BE TO BE ALLOW, ALLOW THE LEADERS TO DO THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE FAIRLY COMPLICATED IN TOO. BUT THEN THERE IS, THERE IS MECHANISMS TO AFFORD THAT BECAUSE IT'S ALL, BUT IT'S A, IT IS A, IT IS A TRICK, RIGHT? FOR OUR, FOR OUR IMMEDIATE PURPOSES, WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE DOWN THAT CALL, UH, IN REFERENCE TO TIME. UM, WE HAVE A, A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND. WE'RE AUGMENTED CORRECT? WE, OKAY. UH, PUBLIC COMMENT FURTHER. OKAY. MR. CO. THANK YOU. UM, FIRST OFFICER, THERE'S ONLY TWO OF US HERE, SO I [00:55:03] OH, OKAY. BUT TWO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT ARE NOT REPRESENTATIVE OR CONTRIBUTING TO THIS. SO I'M THINKING THREE MINUTES, IS THAT REASONABLE? THREE HAVE THAT ANSWER. OKAY. I WANT TO TAKE BULLET POINTS BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION HERE AND I WAS TAKING NOTES AS IT AS IT OCCURRED. SO FIRST OFF, GOING WAY BACK TO SOMETHING YOU SAID EARLIER IN THIS DISCUSSION, UH, I THINK IT'S, UH, EGREGIOUS THAT THERE'S EVEN DISCUSSION HAVE BEEN DISCUSSION OF THE COST OF PARKLAND'S IMPACTS AND THE REVENUE METER LOSS NOT BEING THE FULL FREIGHT OF THAT. BUT, UH, THEY'RE GETTING FREE LAND ALREADY. IT'S ALREADY TAKEN FROM THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. BUT THE CONCEPT THAT SOMEBODY WOULD MITIGATE THAT AND SAY IT SHOULD BE AVERAGED OUT AND NOT THE FULL FREIGHT AND THE FULL IMPACT IS EGREGIOUS TO THE COMMUNITY. UH, SECOND POINT, THE LACK OF INPUT THAT YOU CITE TO THE LACK OF, UH, PEOPLE SHOWING UP HERE IS NOT 'CAUSE OF A LACK OF OUTRAGE. IT'S BECAUSE THE TIMING IS INAPPROPRIATE TO MOST PEOPLE'S ABILITY TO GET HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE. IT'S BECAUSE THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE AGENDA ISSUE AND THE IMPACT SAYS IT'S SEEN YET. 'CAUSE IT'S NOT PUBLISHED OR OUTLINED IN ANY WAY. AND THEN THERE'S A SENSE OF FUTILITY. PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THEY PUT LETTERS IN. THERE WASN'T EVEN A MECHANISM UNTIL JUST A MONTH AGO FOR YOU GUYS TO RECEIVE LETTERS AND COMMENTS ON THINGS SHORTLY SHOWING UP HERE IN PERSON. THIRD POINT, YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO TAKE LOW COST SIGNAGE FROM THE CITY THAT ALREADY EXISTS AND IS USED THROUGHOUT THE CITY. YOU GUYS WANTED THE SPECIAL STUFF. YOU'VE TAKEN MORE THAN TWO YEARS TO GET TO THIS POINT. YOU COULD CHOOSE FROM OFF THE SHELF AND HAVE IT BUILT TOMORROW, AND THAT WOULD COST YOU LESS. NEXT POINT, THE PARKING IMPACTS WILL HARM THE COMMUNITY. UH, THERE'S THE PARKING IMPACTS OF CHOOSING TO DO THIS THAT ADDED EXTRA HOURS BEING INEVITABLE ALMOST IN CERTAIN CONSEQUENCES OF THAT IS THAT PEOPLE WILL CHOOSE TO NOT PAY $2 PER WHATEVER PERIOD YOU DECIDE AND JUST PARK ON RESIDENTIAL STREETS, WHICH ALREADY ALREADY IMPACTED. EVERYONE ACKNOWLEDGES THAT. LET'S STOP ATTENDING THAT. SO LET'S JUST PUT THAT UP FRONT. UM, YOU HAVEN'T EVEN RAISED THE QUESTION ABOUT PARKING ENFORCEMENT IF THERE'S A METER AND NO ONE'S GONNA PAY INTO IT BECAUSE THERE'S NOBODY GONNA ACTUALLY TAKE THIS PAINT. WHAT'S THE POINT? YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW THE MECHANISMS OF WHETHER THAT THAT'S ENFORCED AS IT IS. UM, I ALSO WOULD SUGGEST THAT BECAUSE SO MUCH OF THIS BODY IS MADE UP BY PEOPLE WITH BUSINESS, UH, INTEREST AND BARS, RESTAURANT OWNERS, THAT SELF-INTEREST WOULD DICTATE YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THAT IN THE FIRST PLACE AND THE OTHERS WON'T WANT TO DO THAT. SO IT IMPACTS THEM AS, AS ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS SAID ABOUT GOING TO THE WEED HOURS AT TWO IN THE MORNING. UH, NEXT POINT, UH, THE REVENUE CHASING TO GET MORE MONEY. IT'S, IT'S AN ILLUSION THAT YOU GET TO FEEL BETTER ABOUT PUTTING STUFF INTO PROJECTS SO FAR IN TWO PLUS YEARS HAVE COME IN THIS MEETING. I'VE SEEN RARELY ANY OF THESE THINGS THAT COME TO THE COMMUNITY AND MAKE BENEFIT TO THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY WANT. IT'S CREATING AN ILLUSION THAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING SOMETHING THAT MAKES YOU FEEL GOOD ABOUT IT. SO LET'S JUST BE HONEST ABOUT THAT. WE'RE TIRED COLLECTIVELY. THE PEOPLE WHO AREN'T HERE AND COULDN'T BE HERE, WE'RE TIRED OF HEARING OF WORDS. BUSINESS FRIENDLY IN EVERY DISCUSSION AND NEVER COMMUNITY FRIENDLY, RARELY COMMUNITY FRIENDLY. IT'S ALL TAKE, TAKE, TAKE FROM THE BUSINESS END OF THINGS. UM, IF YOU WANT MECHANISMS TO GET PEOPLE'S INPUT, YOU CAN DO LISTENING SESSIONS AND AFTER HOURS THAT WOULD OPEN UP. YOU CAN PUBLICIZE THOSE PEOPLE COULD COME AFTER WORK OR ON SATURDAY OR SUNDAY. THAT'S NEVER HAPPENED. YOU COULD DO A SURVEY THAT'S MEANINGFUL. THE CITY'S NOTORIOUS FOR PUTTING OUT SHY SURVEY THAT ONLY GET THE RESULTS THEY WANT. BUT A MEANINGFUL SURVEY COULD BE CONDUCTED BY PEOPLE REPRESENTED IN THE COMMUNITY. YOUR TIME IS CONCLUDED IF YOU WANNA WRAP. YEAH. I HAVE MAILERS AND FLYERS FOR THE COMMUNITY EFFECTIVE TO BE DONE. AND, AND THAT WOULD HELP THE OUTREACH INSTEAD OF COUNTING ON THE GROUND IS THAT. AND THEN FINALLY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO COMPARE US TO OTHER PLACES TO MAKE MEANINGFUL COMPARISON. YOU CAN BE INDEPENDENT, YOU CAN REFLECT COMMUNITY FIRST AND NOT TRY TO DO THINGS TO MATCH EVERYBODY ELSE'S JUST BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY IT'S DONE IF IT MAKES MONEY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. APPRECIATE IT. UH, JULIE, I JUST GO, OKAY. UH, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT THE BS GAVE WILL SOLICIT FEEDBACK FROM THEIR MEMBERSHIP AND I WANTED TO REMIND THE COMMISSION THAT THERE IS AN RFP OUT FOR NEW CLEANING SERVICES, WHICH MAY RESULT IN TWICE AS MUCH AS WHAT YOU'RE CURRENTLY PAYING. JUST THAT DID NOT COME UP. AND I JUST WANTED TO THINK BRIAN SHOULD PUT THAT INTO PROJECTIONS FOR COSTS. THANK YOU. UM, SO I BELIEVE THERE ARE SEVERAL ARGUMENTS AGAINST INCREASING PARKING METER HOURS. FURTHER, WE ARE NOT THE PIKE AND WE ARE NOT DOWNTOWN AND NOR ARE WE SOUTH BAY. UM, WE CAN'T ASSUME THAT PEOPLE AREN'T HERE DUE TO DISINTEREST. RESIDENTS DON'T KNOW THIS IS HAPPENING. AND THIS MEETING IS HELD AT 9:00 AM WHEN MOST PEOPLE ARE WORKING. AS OTHER PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY SAID, THERE ARE OVER A HUNDRED BUSINESSES ON THE STREET, BUT JUST ABOUT 40 ARE REPRESENTED AT THE BSBA MEETINGS. SO BUSINESSES WHO WEREN'T AT THE [01:00:01] MEETINGS PROBABLY DON'T KNOW THIS IS COMING UP. I AGREE WITH DEBORAH THAT IT IS NOT BUSINESS FRIENDLY TO INCREASE NEAR HOURS AND CUSTOMERS AREN'T GOING TO SEEK FREE PARKING IN THE RESIDENTIAL STREETS. FURTHER DISPLACING OUR NEIGHBORS PARKING OPTIONS. AS WE KNOW, MOST OF THE GARAGES IN THE SHORE WERE BUILT FOR MODEL A AND TODAY'S CARS DON'T FIT IN THOSE GARAGES. THOSE RESIDENTS HAVE TO PARK ON THE STREET. RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO FEEL ALIENATED BY THIS CHANGE. ADDITIONALLY, MORE DRIVERS ARE GOING TO BE CIRCLING THE AREA, SEARCHING FOR FREE PARKING, CONTRIBUTING TO TRAFFIC CONGESTION AND FRUSTRATION. YOU'VE ALREADY RAISED THE METER RATE, WHICH ARE ALREADY IMPACTING THESE ITEMS THAT I'VE MENTIONED. UM, AND REGARDING REDUCING COSTS, I AGREE WITH BRIAN THAT WE COULD GO WITH THE OFFICIAL CITY GATEWAY SIGNAGE RATHER THAN THE SPECIAL SIGNAGE THAT WE HAVE OR THAT THE, THE COMMISSION HAS BEEN PURSUING FOR THE LAST COUPLE YEARS. UM, AND BE LIKE THE REST OF THE CITY, WHICH IS PROBABLY FAR CHEAPER. THANKS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, ANY OTHER CODES? YES, SIR. YEAH, JUST, UH, SO I APPRECIATE THIS IS MS. FARWELL CONVERSATION. I THINK EVERYONE NEEDS MORE INFORMATION. THE ONE PIECE THAT I HAD, UH, WAS WHEN WE'RE DOING THE STUDY OR THE ANALYSIS TO USE THE CURRENT MANAGEMENT STUDY, 'CAUSE THAT I THINK THAT HAD SEVEN TO NINE ON FRIDAY NIGHTS. AND THEN WEDNESDAY MORNINGS I THINK WAS STUDIED. UH, AND, AND SO THAT WE CAN KIND OF JUDGE BY THAT. FRIDAY NIGHTS I THINK IS 99% I UP. SO RIGHT NOW, UM, USAGE IN LIKE 45 MINUTES OF STAY AND WEDNESDAY MORNINGS IS LIKE 33% OR 20 MINUTES OF STAY. UM, SO IN ANALYSIS, I THINK WE CAN KIND OF USE THAT AS A GUIDE TO SAY IT MIGHT NOT, YOU KNOW, A BETTER ANALYSIS ON THAT. BUT THAT'S IT. I'M SORRY, NICK. THANK YOU. IS THAT THE STUDY THAT THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER? IT IS, YEAH. YEAH. SO MY 2 CENTS ON THAT REALLY QUICK IS THAT THEY DID NOT STUDY VERY MUCH. IT WAS MINIMAL AND, AND THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER IS SPECIFICALLY STATED THAT, SO. OKAY. I I, I, I APPRECIATE THAT. I, I HAVE TO STICK TO, TO THE PROTOCOL OF THE, UH, TIME. THANK YOU NICK. APPRECIATE THAT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY, WE HAVE MOTION, WE HAVE SECOND. UH, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE AYE. AYE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, ITEM ON THE AGENDA. RECOMMENDATIONS TO APPROVE PROPOSAL FROM COMMERCIAL CLEANING FACILITY MAINTENANCE BY SIDEWALK STEAM CLEANING SERVICES THROUGH MARCH 30TH, 2024, COST OF $38,400 AND APPROVE A ONE TIME SECOND SERVICE, WEEKLY STEAM CLEANING PROPOSAL, A MONTHLY COST OF $6,495. UH, RIGHT. SO THIS IS TO, UM, WE CURRENTLY HAVE A, A CLEAN RP IN, IN PROCESS. THIS IS TO CONTINUE THE STEAM CLEANING SERVICES UNTIL WE'RE ABLE TO GET THAT IN PLACE. UM, WE PUT A SIX MONTH TIMELINE AS A, AS AN ESTIMATE, UM, TOTALING 38,400. AND THEN WE ADDED A ONE TIME ADDITIONAL SERVICE FOR ONE MONTH THAT IS TO GET THE ADDITIONAL GRIND OFF OF THE SIDEWALKS FROM THE SUMMER MONTHS. SO THAT'S WHAT THE ADDITIONAL ONE TIME IS FOR. SO ONE MONTH, WE'LL ESSENTIALLY HAVE TWICE AS MUCH SERVICES AS THE REST OF THEM, BUT THAT'S ONLY TO ENSURE THAT WE GET RID OF THE SUMMER, YOU KNOW, SUMMER VISITS. . OKAY. UH, COMMISSIONER THOUGHT ON THIS. CAN WE GET A MOTION AND A SECOND? OH, I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT. UH, WE NEED A MOTION, PLEASE. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO PROCEED THIS OR APPROVING. I SAY I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PROPOSAL FOR QUALITY. HAVE A SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. ERS I SUPPORT ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING THAT CLEANS JUST KEEP. OKAY. AWESOME. I THINK WE ALL AGREE THAT, UH, COMMENTS, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT PLEASE. OKAY. UH, ALL IN FAVOR OF THIS RECOMMENDATION. I, AYE. OKAY. UM, ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON ANY ITEM FROM THIS MORNING'S MEETING? OKAY, GO AHEAD. UM, THE TREES YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY'RE ALL OKAY. I WAS JUST WONDERING, I I'M NOT TRYING TO LIKE CREATE A MOST, MOST ARE OKAY. OR I, I FEEDBACK. WHAT YOU WERE JUST SAYING WAS THAT I MAY KNOW BECAUSE SOMETHING IMPORTANT TO ME THAT THEY WERE IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE. I KNOW THAT RIGHT NOW THEY'RE AT LIKE PINK BLUEBE [01:05:01] PART AND THE LOG HERE THEY DON'T AS WELL, BUT SOME HAVE BEEN NAMED ANYWAY, WHAT I WAS JUST CURIOUS WAS, I WOULD STILL LOVE TO SEE WHEN THE PERSON COMES. WHAT IF YOU COULD REPLACE THE TREES? WHAT WOULD YOU PUT IN THE PLACE THAT DOESN'T DISRUPT GROUPS? SO AS WE REPLACE THEM, WE'RE WORKING IN A NEW TREE. NOT, I DON'T WANNA LIKE RUSH OUT AND I SPIN ALL MONEY AND JUST TALK ALL, BUT LIKE, SO WHENEVER THAT PERSON COMES, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE OR, OR NOT THE SAME PAGE. WE, YOU'RE RIGHT. 'CAUSE IT SOUNDED FOR A SECOND. LIKE THE TREES WERE FINE. NOTHING'S WORRIED ABOUT, BUT I KNOW, I KNOW THAT'S NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT CASE. I THINK THE, THE DIRECTION IS THE TREES ARE BETTER THAN THEY WERE BASED ON BECAUSE FOR SIX MONTHS, SORRY TO INTERRUPT. THIS IS NOT ON THE AGENDA. OH, SORRY. DISCUSSING IT LIKE THIS IS PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY. SORRY. I SAW A COMMENT. TAKE IT OFFLINE AND THEN WE CAN BRING IT TO THE NEXT MEETING. YEAH, I'M SORRY. SORRY ROBERT ONE. OKAY. GIMME ANOTHER PUBLIC COMMENT. YES. WELL, JUST SINCE THAT GOT MENTIONED, I WILL JUST LET THE COMMISSION KNOW THAT I PERSONALLY WALKED THE STREET WITH AN OUTSIDE CONTRACTOR THAT WAS EVALUATING EVERY SINGLE TREE. WE LOOKED AT LISTS, WE DISCUSSED TREE OPTIONS. I BELIEVE HE'LL BE SENDING A REPORT TO RYAN AT SOME POINT WITH RECOMMENDATIONS. GOOD. TERRIFIC. MORE. OKAY. UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? THANK YOU ALL FOR A MEETING. UH. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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