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          WE'LL STILL HAVE QUORUM. 
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YEAH, WE, OKAY. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE CLIMATE RESILIENT AND SUSTAINABILITY CIVIC COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER FOR OCTOBER 17. 
          UH,  CLEAR, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. 
          COMMISSIONER BERG. 
          COMMISSIONER COFFEE. 
          COMMISSIONER ELLIS. 
          COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ. 
          HERE. 
          COMMISSIONER HEARD HERE. 
          COMMISSIONER KUNI? HERE. 
          COMMISSIONER MARSH? HERE. 
          COMMISSIONER TOCAL. 
          HERE. 
          COMMISSIONER WHEELER, VICE CHAIR GAINES. 
          HERE. 
          CHAIR GADEN. 
          HERE WE HAVE QUORUM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CLERK, PLEASE READ THE FIRST ITEM. 
          ITEM NUMBER ONE IS A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR THE CLIMATE RESILIENT AND SUSTAINABLE CITY COMMISSION MEETING OF THURSDAY, AUGUST 22ND, 2024. 
          CAN I GET A MOTION ON THIS ITEM? HONOR, UH, MOVE TO APPROVE. 
          I NEED A SECOND. 
          I'LL SECOND. 
          CAN I PLEASE CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT IF THERE ARE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          FOR ITEM ONE, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. 
          SEEING NONE. 
          THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE MEMBER. 
          IS THAT ANY DISCUSSION OR ON THIS ITEM? WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE VOTE. 
          UM, I'M GONNA DO VOICE ROLL CALL SINCE WE'RE NOT IN THE CHAMBERS. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER, UM, COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER HURT? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER RA? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER MARSH? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER TOCAL? YES. 
          AND VICE CHAIR GAINES? YES. 
          AND CHAIR DAYDEN? YES. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          OKAY. 
          PLEASE READ THE NEXT ITEM. 
          ITEM NUMBER TWO IS A RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE A PRESENTATION FROM CITY STAFF ON BUILDING AND ENERGY AND THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. 
          CAN I GET A MOTION ON THIS ITEM? CAN SO MOVED. 
          I NEED A SECOND. 
          I SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          IT HAS BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER MARK AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER. 
          COULDN'T HEAR. 
          COULDN'T HEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          IS THERE ANY REPORT OR PRESENTATION FOR THIS TITLE? UH, YES. 
          YES. 
          DO OUR REPORT. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OUR COMMISSIONERS AND OUR OLD COMMISSIONERS. 
          WE APPRECIATE IT. 
          UM, SO WE WANT TO DO A QUICK, UM, UH, PRESENTATION FOR YOU. 
          THE BUILDING AND ENERGY, UH, SECTION OF OUR CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. 
          SO USUALLY HOW WE DO IS, SINCE WE'RE A YEAR INTO IT NOW, WE WANT TO GO THROUGH A KIND OF BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE BUILDING AND ENERGY PORTION OF IT. 
          UM, WHAT OUR, UH, DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS HAVE COMPLETED IN 2023, UM, AND KIND OF ANY EMERGING ISSUES WE HAVE AND WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO WITH THE UPCOMING, UM, ACTIONS. 
          SO, JUST TO START OFF WITH OUR BRIEF OVERVIEW. 
          SO THE BUILDING ENERGY SECTION, UH, THAT DEALS WITH MAKING SURE OUR LONG BEACH BUILDINGS ARE ENERGY EFFICIENT AND OUR COMMUNITY RUNS OUT AN AFFORDABLE RENEWABLE ELECTRICITY. 
          SO THAT'S THE MAIN GOAL. 
          SO OBJECTIVES TO GET TOWARDS THAT IS HAVING MORE CARBON FREE ELECTRIC SYSTEM, HAVING MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT, UH, EXISTING BUILDINGS, ENSURING OUR NEW BUILDINGS ARE LOW AND CARBON NEUTRAL. 
          AND, UM, SINCE ELECTRICITY IS, UH, WE HAVE OIL AND GAS, WE WANNA ENSURE THAT THE EMISSIONS FROM OUR, UH, LOCAL OIL AND GAS EXTRACTIONS ARE, UH, REDUCED. 
          SO HERE ARE ALL OUR, UH, MAIN ACTION ITEMS. SO WE HAVE EIGHT OF THEM UNDERNEATH, UH, EACH ONE OF THOSE, THERE'S, UH, SMALLER SUB ACTION ITEMS, BUT THE FIRST THREE RELY ON, UH, SOLAR, UM, FOR B THREE. 
          UM, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT LATER, WHERE WE'RE WORKING ON GETTING COMMUNITY SOLAR FOR OUR MUNICIPAL BUILDINGS, UM, AND, UH, TRYING TO GET THAT TOWARDS FOR OUR, UH, PUBLIC AS WELL. 
          UH, THEN WE, UH, FOR B FOUR, UH, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT DOING BENCHMARKING PROGRAMS FOR OUR RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL ENERGY. 
          UM, AND THEN WE WANT DO MUNICIPAL ENERGY WATER AUDITS. 
          WE NOT UPDATE OUR BUILDING CODES. 
          WE WANNA ENSURE THAT, UM, THE CITY HAS WHAT IT NEEDS AND ALL THE COMMUNITY HAS ALL THAT IT NEEDS TO ENSURE THAT OUR BILLING ENERGY IS UP TO. 
          SO WHAT KIND? WITH ALL THESE ACTION ITEMS THAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE CO-BENEFITS THAT GO ALONG WITH 'EM. 
          SOME INCLUDE, UM, UM, STRONGER, UH, GRID RESILIENCE. 
          UH, OUR PUBLIC HEALTH IS BETTER. 
          AIR QUALITY, UH, IS BETTER. 
          WE HAVE INCREASED EQUITABLE ACCESS TO SOLAR ENERGY. 
          UM, OUR CITY COSTS ARE ASSOCIATED, UM, ARE DECREASED WITH OUR ENERGY CONSUMPTION AND HOUSEHOLD COSTS TO SOIL ENERGY CONSUMPTION ARE REDUCED 
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AS WELL. 
          AND WITH EVERYTHING WE DO, UM, OUR ACTION ITEMS, WE WANNA DO THAT WITH EQUITABLY. 
          SO EVERY ACTION ITEM THAT WE HAVE IN OUR CAP HAS AN EQUITABLE PORTION TO IT. 
          UH, SO WE WANNA ENSURE THE WHOLE COMMUNITY GETS TO, UM, SEE THE BENEFITS OF IT. 
          SO SOME OF THE, UH, EQUITABLE BENEFITS OF OUR BILLING ENERGY IS TO ENSURE THAT THE LOWER INCOME COMMUNITIES, UM, HAVE THE RENEWABLE ENERGY THAT'S GENERATED FROM, UH, THE GRID. 
          WE WANNA PROVIDE FREE AND LOW COST SOLAR. 
          UH, WE DON'T WANNA REDUCE ANY BARRIER, UM, AND KIND OF INCREASE THE CHANCE OF REBATES AND GIVING EVERYBODY THE CHANCE TO TAKE PART IN THESE INCENTIVE PROGRAMS. UH, WE ALSO WANT TO INCREASE ANY OPPORTUNITIES THROUGH OUR MUNICIPAL ENERGY AND WATER AUDITS. 
          AND WE WANNA PRIORITIZE ANY OF THE ACTIONS THAT HAVE, UH, HIGH CLIMATE CHANGE IMPACTS. 
          UM, SO HERE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT OUR DEPARTMENTS HAVE DONE. 
          SO AT THE END OF EACH YEAR, WE REACH OUT TO OUR DEPARTMENTS AND, UM, COME OUR CLIMATE CHANGE. 
          THEY FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY'VE COMPLETED TOWARDS OUR CLIMATE ACTION GOALS. 
          UM, SO HERE ARE SOME OF THE UPDATES THAT THEY PROVIDED US. 
          UM, ACCORDING TO THE HARVARD DEPARTMENT FOR, UH, SOLAR AND , UM, THEY HAVE AWARDED $4 MILLION IN SOLAR THROUGH THE PORT OF LONG BEACH COMMUNITY GRANTS PROGRAM SINCE 2009. 
          UM, AND THEN FOR PE SEVEN, OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM, UM, HAS CREATED NEW EDUCATION, NEW OUTREACH THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING. 
          UM, AND THEY HAD A PRESENTATION WITH, UH, AMERICAN INSTITUTE OF ARCHITECTS, UM, ON THE BENEFITS OF ELECTRIFICATION AND THE LV C. 
          AND ANOTHER, UM, IMPORTANT PORTION OF IT IS OUR EXTRACTION OF OIL AND GAS. 
          AND OUR ENERGY RESOURCES DEPARTMENT, UM, UH, HAS REDUCED THEIR, UH, NI OXIDE EMISSIONS BY 50%, AND THEY HAVE REDUCED THEIR OIL PRODUCTION BY 38% SINCE 2015. 
          AND THAT HAS ALREADY EXCEEDED THEIR GOAL OF 20% BY 23RD PRODUCTION. 
          SO, UM, WHAT WE WANT TO FOCUS ON TODAY, THEN WE'LL HAVE A PRESENTATION AS WELL FROM, UH, LAWRENCE HERE. 
          UM, WE WANNA TALK ABOUT THE BUILDING DECARBONIZATION AND THE CHALLENGES THAT COME ALONG WITH IT. 
          UH, SO SOME CHALLENGES ARE ADDRESSING ANY ENERGY INEQUITIES, UM, ANY FINANCIAL ECONOMIC COSTS THAT COME TO THE SHIFT OF GOING TOWARDS DECARBONIZATION. 
          AND, UM, DO WE HAVE THE NEW TECHNOLOGIES THAT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO, UH, KIND OF GET TO ALL THE BUILDINGS WHERE WE NEED TO. 
          AND NOW FOR THE UPCOMING, UH, UH, THINGS THAT WE ARE GONNA BE FOCUSED ON IN 2023, WE REACHED OUT TO DEPART DEPARTMENTS TO SEE WHAT THEY'RE WORKING ON. 
          SO FOR B THREE, THAT IS OUR OFFICE. 
          SO WE HAVE CONNECTED WITH, UM, A COMMUNITY RENEWABLES PROGRAM WITH SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA EDISON AND A COMPANY CALLED POWER MARKET. 
          SO WE'RE DOING COMMUNITY SOLAR FOR ALL OUR MUNICIPAL BUILDINGS. 
          UM, SO THIS SOLAR, UH, FARM IN, IN CURRENT WHERE, UM, WE'RE GONNA BE STARTING TO GET CLEAN ENERGY FROM THERE. 
          AND THAT'LL HELP US WITH, UH, OUR BUILDINGS GONNA HAVE CLEANER ENERGY AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE COST SAVINGS. 
          AND WE ARE ALSO GOING TO BE, UM, WE ARE HAVING OUTREACH EFFORTS TO SEE IF ANY COMMITTEE MEMBERS WANT TO JOIN. 
          AND WE'RE GONNA KEEP WORKING, UM, TO SEE IF WE CAN GET PEOPLE TO JOIN BY DECEMBER 1ST. 
          THAT'S WHEN IT GOES ONLINE. 
          AND, UM, OUR ENERGY, UH, RESOURCES DEPARTMENT, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THE IMPLEMENTATION OF, UH, PRODUCE PRODUCTION OF EMISSIONS AND OIL AND GAS. 
          SO THEY HAVE WORKED ON LEAK DETECTION AND REPAIR, UM, WHICH IS A REQUIREMENT. 
          UM, AND IN 2025, THE, UM, THE FIELD CONTRACTOR FOR THE LONG BEACH UNIT IN WEST WILMINGTON, UH, WILL INCREASE LEAK DETECTION, REPAIR FREQUENCY, AND FROM QUARTER LEAK TO MONTHLY, UM, TO SET REQUIREMENTS FROM EPA AND, UH, SOUTH COAST EIGHT. 
          AND THEN, YEAH, SO THAT WAS JUST A QUICK PRESENTATION. 
          UM, AND THEN FIRST, AND YEAH, THAT WAS JUST TAKE A BRIEF, UM, OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON, WHAT WE'VE COMPLETED IN THE PAST YEAR, AND, UH, YEAH. 
          THANK YOU SUSTAINABILITY. 
          CLAIRE, PLEASE CALL FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM. 
          IF THERE ARE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER TWO, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. 
          SEEING NONE. 
          THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO MEMBERS. 
          IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? YES, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. 
          UM, DOES THAT LEAK DETECTION PROGRAM APPLY, UM, ONLY TO ACTIVE WELLS OR INACTIVE WELLS AS WELL? SURE. 
          WE CAN REACH OUT TO OUR ENERGY RESOURCE DEPARTMENT AND FIND OUT. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          I DON'T KNOW, , WE CAN RAISE HANDS HERE SINCE WE'RE NOT IN THE CHAMBERS YET. 
          OKAY. 
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SORRY. 
          THAT'S MY FIRST MEETING. 
          UM, SIMILAR ON THAT, QUITE, WHERE IS THAT DATA POSTED FOR PEOPLE TO LOOK AT? NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE. 
          AGAIN, SO WE'LL CHECK WITH OUR ANDREW DEPARTMENT, GET BACK TO YOU, AND THEN, UM, IF, IF YOU'RE A RESIDENT THAT WANTS TO SIGN UP BY DECEMBER 1ST TO HELP THE CITY, WHERE, WHERE DO WE GO? HOW DO WE DO THAT? UM, SO WE HAVE A WEBSITE THAT WE SET UP ON OUR MAIN WEBSITE. 
          UM, SO IT'S JUST LIKE A LINK YOU GO TO TAKES TO THE POWER MARKET AND, UM, OUR WEBSITE EXPLAIN EVERYTHING, THE STEPS OF WHAT'S INCLUDED. 
          AND THE WAY IT WORKS IS LIKE, UM, SO THE AMOUNT OF RENEWABLE ENERGY YOU GET, YOU GET AS A CREDIT. 
          UM, AND THEN FROM THAT CREDIT, UH, 90% OF IT GOES TO POWER MARKET AND 10% BECOMES LIKE A CREDIT ON YOUR BILL. 
          SO YOU NEVER PAY MORE AND YOU ALWAYS WILL SAVE SOMETHING. 
          SO WE HAVE A SHORT LINK, LB CITY INFO SLASH C SOLAR FOR CANADIAN SOLAR, AND THEN IT'LL TAKE YOU TO A WEBPAGE. 
          IT HAS MORE INFORMATION AT AQS AND THEN THE LINK TO, TO SIGN UP ON THE POWER MARKET WEBSITE. 
          AND YEAH, SO, UH, IF, UH, MOST ACCOUNTS ARE ELIGIBLE, UH, UNLESS YOU ALREADY CONTROL ON YOUR ROOF, THEN YOU, THAT WOULDN'T ALLOW YOU TO SIGN UP. 
          BUT OTHERWISE PLEASE DO. 
          UH, YOU CAN SHOW PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, HOW SIMPLE IT IS, AND THEN TALK ABOUT IT WITH, UH, YOUR NETWORK ABOUT SIGNING UP SO WE CAN GET AS MANY LONG BEACH RESIDENTS HELPING US TO GET OUR GOALS AND SAVE MONEY ON THEIR BILLS. 
          YOU DON'T NEED TO OWN EITHER. 
          IT'S FOR RENTERS AS WELL. 
          WOULD YOU REPEAT THAT LINK AGAIN? LB CITY INFO SLASH UH, LB CITY INFO SLASH C SOLAR C, SOLAR C SOLAR F LIKE THE LETTER C FOR COMMUNITY C SOLAR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          TRYING TO MAKE IT SHORT, BUT ALSO UNDERSTANDABLE. 
          , IS THERE, I MEAN, YOU SAY THAT IT IS OPEN FOR EVERYBODY. 
          I MEAN, EVERYBODY CAN APPLY. 
          UH, YEAH, IF YOU SIGN UP AND YOU HAVE AN ELIGIBLE ACCOUNT AND THERE'S STILL, UH, ROOM AT THE SOLAR FOR THE SOLAR GENERATION PLANT, IF THERE'S STILL ROOM FOR MORE ACCOUNTS, THEN YOU'LL, YOU'LL BASICALLY BE APPROVED. 
          BUT IT'S NOT LIKE A APPLICATION PROCESS. 
          SO FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE, THERE'S ROOM FOR ABOUT 3000 ACCOUNTS TO SIGN UP, DEPENDING ON THE, THE ELECTRICITY USE OF EACH ACCOUNT. 
          SO, AND THEY'RE WORKING ON ANOTHER FARM AS WELL. 
          SO LIKE, LATER ON, LIKE NEXT YEAR OR SO, THERE MIGHT BE MORE AVAILABILITY AS WELL, IF THAT DOES HAPPEN. 
          BUT THE PROJECT STARTS DECEMBER 1ST, SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET ALL THE SIGNUPS BEFORE THEN. 
          SO, UM, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, TRY TO SIGN UP, YOU KNOW, AS SOON AS YOU CAN. 
          YEAH. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD PROMOTE BY SORT OF SPREADING THE WORD THROUGH, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS AND THAT KIND OF THING? YES. 
          YEAH. 
          WE HAVE A WHOLE OUTREACH PLAN, AND THAT, UH, DOES INCLUDE WORKING WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES DIVISION FROM COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND, AND USING THAT LIST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE GETTING THE WORD OUT FOR PEOPLE. 
          NOW I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          ATION, UH, YOU TO PLANNING TO CHANGE EVERYTHING INSIDE THE HOUSE TO BE ELECTRICAL? SAY THAT AGAIN? WHAT SHE SAID, I DON'T KNOW, IN ONE OF THE PRESENTATION THAT YOU SAID THAT THEY GONNA TRY TO CHANGE EVERYTHING, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THIS MOVEMENT IS NOT ONLY TO PUT THE SOLAR, BUT TO CHANGE THE, ALL THE, UM, ITEMS INSIDE THE HOUSE, LIKE AT THE STOP AND ALL THOSE THINGS. 
          RIGHT. 
          I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF PROBLEM WITH THAT BECAUSE LATINOS ARE CULTURALLY TIED TO THE FIRE. 
          I MEAN, WE LIKE TO WARM THE CHILIES AND DO THE SALSA, I'M SORRY. 
          AND IT'S PART OF THE CULTURE. 
          AND I'VE BEEN TALKING WITH PEOPLE BECAUSE I, I NOTICE ABOUT THIS. 
          I REALLY WANNA KNOW WHAT IS THE FEELINGS. 
          THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE THAT THEY REALLY WANT IT JUST BECAUSE OF THAT, BECAUSE OF CULTURE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO I THINK WE MIGHT HEAR MORE, UH, FROM THE BUILDING DECARBONIZATION COALITION ON THE NEXT PRESENTATION POTENTIALLY. 
          BUT I WOULD SAY OUR, OUR POLICIES ARE TO INCREASE ENERGY EFFICIENCY. 
          UM, AND A LOT OF IT IS THROUGH, UM, INCENTIVES AND THEN WORKING WITH BUILDING PRODUCT UPDATES. 
          SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'LL BE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR, UH, ENGAGEMENT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, A LOT OF THE BUILDING CODE UPDATES ARE STATEWIDE. 
          AND SO WE'RE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF, A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          AND SO, UM, WE DEFINITELY HAVE TO WEIGH, YOU KNOW, PERSONAL, UH, PREFERENCES VERSUS, YOU KNOW, HEALTH AND, AND MEETING OUR CLIMATE GOALS OVERALL. 
          UM, BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING WE'VE HEARD, I'M SURE SOMETHING OTHER POLICY MAKERS HAVE HEARD. 
          UM, BUT I, I THINK WE'LL BE ABLE TO HOPEFULLY FIND A BALANCE TO GET TO A, YOU KNOW, FULL ELECTRIFICATION, FULL BUILDING WE HAVE AT SOME POINT. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, YEAH, A FEW YEARS AGO, I DON'T REMEMBER. 
          I MEAN, I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE, BUT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT TO HAVE A CO-OP ABOUT CO-OPS, LIKE HOW THE PEOPLE GET TOGETHER AND PUT SOLAR FOR, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS IN THE PLAN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? SO WE HAVE, UM, SO THE FIRST THREE RENEWABLE ENERGY, YOU INCREASE USE OF SOLAR POWER AND PER COMMUTE, 
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PROMOTE COMMUNITY SOLAR MICROGRIDS. 
          THOSE ARE ALL KIND OF RELATED. 
          SO COMMUNITY SOLAR IS WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WHERE THERE'S A, A BIGGER PROJECT AND THEY, THEY, THEY HAVE A LOT OF POWERS THAT THEY'RE PRODUCING AND THEN THEY CAN, UM, WORK WITH OUR, UH, SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA TO SEND US THE PROVIDER AND GET SIGNUPS. 
          I THINK MICROGRIDS IS PROBABLY MORE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT MIGHT BE RIGHT TO SMALLER ONES THAT WE COULD DO, OR IS THAT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT? I WOULD, I WOULD CHARACTERIZE, UH, CO-OPS AS CLOSER TO COMMUNITY SOLAR. 
          UM, THE PRIMARY DIFFERENCE BEING, UH, OWNERSHIP, YOU KNOW, WITH A COMMUNITY SOLAR PROJECT, A DEVELOPER OWNS IT AND SELLS, UH, SUBSCRIPTIONS. 
          AND WITH A CO-OP, TRULY THE OWNERSHIP IS AMONG THE MEMBERS OF THE CO-OP. 
          BUT IN BOTH CASES, YOU'VE GOT A SOLAR FARM SOMEWHERE, UH, WITH JOINT OWNERSHIP, UM, WITH MICROGRIDS. 
          THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE TECHNICAL DEFINITION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BUT WE DO, YEAH. 
          AND WE CAN PULL UP SOME OF THE, UM, YOU KNOW, EACH, LIKE ANDRE WAS SAYING, EACH ACTION ITEM HAS SUB ACTION ITEMS. SO WE COULD SEE IF WE SET ANYTHING SPECIFIC ABOUT CO-OPS IN, IN THE CAP. 
          BUT I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING THAT INCREASES SOLAR ENERGY GENERATION OR, OR USE, UH, IN OUR CITY WHO, YOU KNOW, IS IN ALIGNMENT WITH OUR CLIMATE ACTION GOALS. 
          AND SO WE WANNA PROMOTE THAT IF IT'S FEASIBLE. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTION? YES, GO AHEAD. 
          OH YEAH, JUST A QUICK COMMENT. 
          I THINK THE STAFF, UM, AND ENERGY RESOURCES, BECAUSE THERE'S A CONTRACTOR THAT'S GONNA INCREASE THE FREQUENCY OF THE LEAK DETECTION, UM, THAT'S REALLY VALUABLE. 
          UM, ESPECIALLY, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION ABOUT IT BEING FOR THE ACTIVE OR NON-ACTIVE WELLS. 
          UM, AND JUST A NOTE FOR FOLKS IN THE ROOM AND, AND WATCHING AT HOME, UM, I'VE NOTICED IT QUITE FREQUENTLY THIS PAST MONTH. 
          UM, SO IF YOU'RE OVER BY SECOND PCH WHERE THE OIL FIELDS ARE, YOU'LL NOTICE THE SMELL. 
          UM, THERE'S SOME OF IT THEY'RE SAYING IS ALSO MAYBE OFF GASSING FROM THE TANKERS OFF THE COAST AND THE OFFSHORE WIND COMING IN. 
          BUT YOU CAN CALL EQMD. 
          THERE'S THAT AIR QUALITY COMPLAINT LINE. 
          THEY SAID THE MORE PEOPLE THAT CALL WHEN YOU DO SEE THAT ODOR, AT THE SAME TIME, THEY WILL ACTUALLY SEND THE INSPECTORS OUT. 
          SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT THEY'RE ENCOURAGING. 
          THE ONE-OFF CALLS AREN'T ENOUGH. 
          SO WE, WE NEED PEOPLE THAT ARE OUT THERE EYES ON THE GROUND TO CALL IT IN WHEN YOU DO, UH, SMELL THAT ODOR SO THEY CAN FLAG IT. 
          UM, AND MAYBE THIS, UH, MONITORING WILL HELP WITH SOME OF THAT TOO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN I THINK JUST TO ANSWER THE, YOUR PREVIOUS QUESTION, UM, THAT SLIDE WAS ABOUT, UM, UPCOMING ACTION ITEMS. SO IT, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY SOMETHING WHERE THAT ENERGY RESOURCES HAS INFORMATION PUBLICLY AVAILABLE YET, BUT ONCE IT HAPPENS, THERE'LL BE MORE INFORMATION AVAILABLE. 
          BUT WE COULD FOLLOW UP IF THERE'S ANYTHING SPECIFIC CAN PROVIDE. 
          YEAH. 
          MAY CHAIR. 
          UH, I JUST WANTED TO RESPOND BRIEFLY TO THE POINT ABOUT COOKING. 
          UH, I HAD THAT EXACT SAME CONVERSATION ABOUT, UH, CULTURAL COOKING PREFERENCES WITH SENATOR GONZALEZ AT A RECENT EVENT. 
          SHE SAID, YOU KNOW, MY PEOPLE, UH, WANT TO COOK OUR TORTILLAS AND OUR PEPPERS. 
          AND, UM, I, I RECENTLY, UH, DID AN INDUCTION COOKING DEMO IN MY HOUSE FOR SOME REALTORS, AND I COOKED ON A WALK, WHICH IS ONE OF THE OTHER  . 
          BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE OTHER CULTURAL, UH, OBJECTIONS. 
          AND THEY MAKE WALKS THAT WORK REALLY, REALLY WELL, UH, ON INDUCTION. 
          I THINK, UM, COOKING, HOWEVER, IS ARGUABLY ONE OF THE MOST CHALLENGING PIECES OF ELECTRIFYING OUR HOMES, BECAUSE IT'S THE DEVICE THAT WE INTERACT WITH. 
          WE DON'T REALLY CARE HOW OUR WATER GETS HOT OR HOW OUR AIR GETS HOT, UH, OR HOW OUR CLOTHES GET DRIED SO MUCH. 
          UM, BUT WE'RE USED TO THAT SORT OF, UH, GUT, UH, ATTACHMENT AND EMOTIONAL ATTACHMENT TO COOKING WITH FIRE. 
          AND SO THE DEMONSTRATION THAT I DID SHOWED, HEY, WE'RE USED TO COOKING WITH FIRE FOR WELL CENTURIES AND MILLENNIA, BUT, UH, COOKING WITH MAGNETS IS EVEN BETTER, AND WE JUST HAVE TO, UH, LEARN TO DO THAT. 
          BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S REALLY, REALLY HARD TO ROAST A PEPPER WELL ON. 
          YEAH, ON A, ON A CAST IRON GRIDDLE ON INDUCTION, UH, I FAILED MISERABLY WHEN I TRIED . 
          SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE CHALLENGES. 
          WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT, UH, SOME OF THE REST OF THE, UH, WHOLE BUILDING ELECTRIFICATION WOULD BE CARVE THINGS. 
          UM, AND I THINK I'LL, I'LL SAVE THE REST OF MY COMMENTS FOR AFTER THE NEXT PRESENTATION. 
          YEAH. 
          AND GOING BACK TO THE MICROGRID, SO B 3.3 AND 3.4, UH, SO 3.3 SAYS, IDENTIFY POTENTIAL PARTNERSHIPS, FUNDING OR FINANCING SOURCES FOR MICROGRIDS AND B 3.4, PROMOTE MICROGRID DEVELOPMENT PRIVATE AGENCIES AND ORGANIZATIONS IN LONG AND WORK WITH TO MINIMIZE PERMITTING BARRIERS. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HAVE WE SENT ANY COMMENT FOR THE COMMISSION? YOU JUST SQUEAKY WATER BOTTLES. 
          OKAY. 
          CLAIRE, PLEASE. 
          COUNCIL WILL BE COMING FOR THIS 
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ITEM. 
          I BELIEVE WE ALREADY DID PUT COMMENTS. 
          I DID. 
          OH, YEAH, I, OH, SORRY. 
          WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE VOTE IF THERE'S OKAY. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER COFFEE. 
          AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER HER. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER COHERO. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER MARK. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER TOCAL? YES. 
          VICE CHAIR GAINES. 
          YES. 
          CHAIR DEN. 
          YES. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          ITEM NUMBER THREE IS A RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE A PRESENTATION FROM THE BUILDING DECARBONIZATION COALITION ON NATIONWIDE AND STATEWIDE INITIATIVES TO DECARBONIZE BOTH NEW CONSTRUCTION AND EXISTING BUILDING STOCK. 
          OH, SORRY. 
          CAN I GET A MOTION ON THIS ITEM? SO MOVED. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          HE HAS BEEN MOVED. 
          COMMISSIONER AND COMMISSIONER. 
          OH MY GOD. 
          YOU CAN JUST CALL ME KURT . 
          I CANNOT READ. 
          WE CAN MOVE TO PRESENTATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IS THERE ANY, WE WE HAVE, UH, LAWRENCE GARBER HERE FROM THE BUILDING DECARBONIZATION COALITION, UM, THIS PRESENTATION. 
          SO QUESTION. 
          SURE. 
          THAT'S, YEAH. 
          AND IF I MAY, I HAVE A SHORT INTRODUCTION. 
          OH, PLEASE. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH, MARSH. 
          SURE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO, UH, I, I WAS, UH, HAPPY TO INVITE THE BUILDING DECARBONIZATION COALITION HERE TO PRESENT WITH US TODAY. 
          UM, AND I WANTED TO START TOUCH A LITTLE BIT ON WHY I, UH, I FOCUS EXTENSIVELY ON CLIMATE SOLUTIONS. 
          AND THE SOLUTION THAT, UH, I'VE COME TO DECIDE IS MOST, UH, CHALLENGING IS OUR EXISTING BUILDINGS. 
          WE HAVE 120 MILLION APPROXIMATELY DWELLING UNITS IN THE UNITED STATES, AND 70 MILLION OF THOSE HEAT WITH GAS FURNACES, 60 MILLION GAS WATER HEATERS, AND 40 MILLION GAS STOVES. 
          AND, UH, FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, IT'S ALREADY LESS EXPENSIVE TO BUILD, UH, ALL ELECTRIC. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE BUILDING SOMETHING NEW, THAT'S RELATIVELY EASY TO DO. 
          BUT FOR OUR EXISTING BUILDINGS, UH, THERE'S A REAL CHALLENGE TO PHASING OUT THOSE EXISTING MACHINES. 
          AND IT'S GONNA BE A COMBINATION OF INCENTIVES AND MANDATES, BUILDING CODES, UH, PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY, UH, ISSUES AND ALL OF THOSE. 
          SO, UM, I LITERALLY, I LOOK AT, UH, TRANSPORTATION AND ELECTRIC VEHICLES. 
          THERE'S PLENTY OF WORK TO DO, BUT, UH, WE'RE SEEING ELECTRIC VEHICLES TAKE OFF, EVEN ELECTRIC TRUCKING, UH, HEAVY INDUSTRY. 
          THERE'S VISIBLE PATHWAYS TO DECARBONIZING, CEMENT AND STEEL. 
          AND SO I DECIDED, UH, THAT FOR ME, UH, THAT CHALLENGE OF ALL THE INERTIA WRAPPED UP IN OUR EXISTING BUILDINGS AND THE MACHINES IN THEM IS, IS THE CHALLENGE I WANTED TO FOCUS ON. 
          AND SO I'VE BEEN, UH, WORKING WITH BUILDING DECARBONIZATION COALITION AND A LONG LIST OF OTHER GROUPS, UH, BUT THEY'RE ONE OF THE PREEMINENT GROUPS, UH, THAT WORKS ON THIS CHALLENGE. 
          AND SO, UH, IN A NUTSHELL, UH, UNTIL A DECADE AGO, WE WEREN'T A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE HOW WE'RE GONNA DECARBONIZE THE ECONOMY BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, ELECTRICITY SOUNDED GOOD, AND MAYBE SOLAR AND WIND WILL WORK A DECADE AGO, BUT WE WEREN'T SURE. 
          UM, THE LAST DECADE HAS SEEN SUCH INCREDIBLE GROWTH, UH, AND PRICE DROPS AND SOLAR AND WIND. 
          IT'S NOW BECOME CLEAR. 
          WE CAN DO IT, WE CAN POWER 80 OR 90% OF THE US ECONOMY FROM CLEAN, RENEWABLE ENERGY, SOLAR, WIND, HYDRO, NUCLEAR, GEOTHERMAL, UH, AND ALSO ELECTRIFY EVERYTHING. 
          SO WE CAN REDUCE IT DOWN TO TWO HASHTAGS. 
          IT'S HASHTAG ELECTRIFY EVERYTHING AND HASHTAG DECARBONIZE THE GRID. 
          AND, UH, IN TWO OR THREE DECADES WE'LL GET THERE. 
          I WISH IT WAS GONNA BE THAT SIMPLE. 
          UH, MAKE IT, THERE'S , YOU AND ME BOTH. 
          UM, BUT, UM, SO I AM, WE'RE SEEING VERY RAPID PROGRESS IN THE DECARBONIZE THE GRID SIDE, UM, NOT ONLY SCE BUT UTILITIES ACROSS THE NATION ARE DOING REALLY WELL ON THAT. 
          UH, AND SO I ASKED THE, UH, DECARB COALITION TO COME AND TALK WITH US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO ELECTRIFY EVERYTHING IN OUR BUILDINGS, IN OUR CITIES, AND THAT KIND OF THING. 
          SO, UH, 
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LAWRENCE GARBER IS A POLICY MANAGER FOR BDC, AND, UH, WOULD LOVE TO WELCOME YOU AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US AND SHARING A LITTLE OF YOUR EXPERTISE. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, PETE, AND IT'S GREAT TO BE WITH Y'ALL TODAY. 
          UH, COMMISSIONERS, STAFF AND ALL OF YOU FOLKS WHO ARE HERE, UM, LOVELY TO BE HERE. 
          I'M, UM, AS PETE MENTIONED, POLICY MANAGER AT THE BUILDING DECARBONIZATION COALITION. 
          UM, AND I LIVE, UH, DOWN TO 4 0 5 IN IRVINE, AND I'VE BEEN IN THIS AREA IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA FOR ABOUT, UM, FOUR YEARS NOW. 
          UM, AND SO I WAS INVITED HERE TODAY AS PETE MENTIONED, UM, TO GIVE YOU ALL AN UPDATE ON BUILDING DECARBONIZATION POLICY. 
          SO THAT'S REALLY WHERE I'M GONNA BE FOCUSED. 
          MY PRESENTATION ON TODAY IS, IS REALLY AT THE POLICY LEVEL, WHAT ARE THE KIND OF THE OFFICIAL ACTIONS OF THE STATE AND LOCAL LEVELS THAT WE CAN BE DOING TO DECARBONIZE, UM, OUR BUILDINGS. 
          UM, AND JUST TO SAY A COUPLE MORE, UM, FRAMING COMMENTS ABOUT MY ORGANIZATION, THE BUILDING DECARBONIZATION COALITION IS A NATIONAL NONPROFIT, AND WE WORK MOSTLY AT THE STATE LEVEL WITH STATE GOVERNMENTS IN COALITION WITH THE ENTIRE BUILDING SECTOR, UM, TO ELIMINATE FOSSIL FUELS FROM BUILDINGS AND UPGRADE THEM TO CLEAN ENERGY. 
          AND WE DO THAT THROUGH POLICY RESEARCH, UM, AND PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT LIKE, UH, EVENTS LIKE, LIKE TODAY. 
          UM, SO THANKS AGAIN FOR, FOR HAVING ME. 
          UM, SO DURING MY PRESENTATION TODAY, OVER THE COURSE OF MAYBE 20 MINUTES OR SO, I'M GONNA BE COVERING KIND OF THREE MAIN THEMES. 
          FIRST, I'LL, I'LL GROUND US IN AN UPDATE ON CALIFORNIA'S LATEST STATEWIDE POLICIES ON BUILDING DECARBONIZATION. 
          UH, NEXT I'LL REVIEW SOME OPTIONS AT THE LOCAL LEVEL THAT YOU, WE HAVE HERE IN LONG BEACH TO KIND OF GO ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT THE STATE IS UP TO FROM THE POLICY PERSPECTIVE. 
          AND FINALLY, I'LL CLOSE BY INTRODUCING A, A FRAMEWORK OR, OR, UM, AN INNOVATIVE APPROACH THAT WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT AT THE BUILDING DECARBONIZATION COALITION CALLED NEIGHBORHOOD SCALE COALITION. 
          UM, AND WE THINK THIS PROVIDES, UH, REALLY ENORMOUS BENEFITS FOR UTILITY CUSTOMERS, WORKERS, AND LOW INCOME COMMUNITIES, UM, AS A PATHWAY TOWARDS FULL DECARBONIZATION, SO WE'LL, SO WE'LL GET INTO THAT TOGETHER AS WELL. 
          UM, BUT FIRST I WANT TO GROUND US AT THE, THE NATIONAL LEVEL. 
          TO KICK OFF OUR CONVERSATION, I WANT TO JUST SAY THAT, UM, LONG BEACH IS NOT ALONE IN CONSIDERING, UM, ADOPTING POLICIES TO DECARBONIZE BUILDINGS. 
          SO SINCE 2019, THE CITY OF BERKELEY BECAME THE FIRST JURISDICTION IN THE COUNTRY TO ADOPT THE POLICY, UM, REQUIRING ALL ELECTRIC NEW BUILDINGS. 
          IT REALLY KICKED OFF, UH, A NATIONAL MOVEMENT. 
          AND FROM WHAT THIS MAP SHOWS, THAT THIS ALL ADDS UP TO OVER A QUARTER OF THE COUNTRY NOW LIVES IN A JURISDICTION, EITHER A STATE, A COUNTY, OR A CITY. 
          A QUARTER OF THE COUNTRY BY POPULATION, UM, HAS ADOPTED A POLICY THAT EITHER ENCOURAGES OR REQUIRES, UM, DECARBONIZATION. 
          SO WON'T DIVE INTO ALL THE DETAILS OF THIS MAP, BUT JUST TO SAY, JUST TO KIND OF GIVE THE NATIONAL SCOPE THAT, UM, LONG BEACH IS, IS AMONGST MANY OTHER CITIES AND STATES WHO ARE CONSIDERING, UM, THIS CHALLENGE. 
          UM, AND REALLY ALL THIS ADDS UP TO THE FACT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, AS PETE MENTIONED, IT'S KIND OF A, A NEW-ISH IDEA, BUT REALLY IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, BUILDING DECARBONIZATION POLICY HAS, HAS REALLY BECOME A MAINSTREAM, UM, ASPECT OF THE BUILDING INDUSTRY. 
          UM, SO LET'S ZOOM INTO CALIFORNIA AT THE STATE, WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE IS A GRAPH OF THE CARBON, UM, OR GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS FOR THE WHOLE STATE ECONOMY BY SECTOR. 
          AND SO EACH OF THOSE LINES IS A, IS SEC IS A, A SECTOR OF THE ECONOMY, YOU CAN SEE ON THE TOP TRANSPORTATION. 
          AND THEN THE GREEN, UH, IS INDUSTRY. 
          AND THEN YOU HAVE ELECTRIC POWER, AND THEN THE ORANGE IS COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL. 
          UM, AND SO THE, THE STORY HERE IS, IS MOSTLY A GOOD ONE, RIGHT? THE TRENDS ARE POSITIVE AND THAT YOU CAN SEE OUR EMISSIONS ARE STARTING TO COME DOWN AND TRANSPORTATION INDUSTRY AND ELECTRIC POWER IS THE GRID, YOU KNOW, EMISSIONS FROM THE GRID ARE COMING DOWN. 
          BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THAT YELLOW-ISH, OH, WHAT IS THAT, THAT YELLOW LINE COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF STUBBORNLY FLAT. 
          AND WHAT THAT REPRESENTS IS THE EMISSIONS FROM OUR BUILDINGS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH BURNING FOSSIL FUELS, UM, AND, AND ENERGY EFFICIENCY AS WELL. 
          BUT, BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT, THAT, THAT THEN REMAINING FLAT. 
          SO WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO DO IS, UM, UH, CHANGE OUR POLICIES TO START BENDING THAT EMISSIONS CURVE DOWN TO MEET OUR STATEWIDE GOALS OF CARBON NEUTRALITY BY 2045. 
          SO THIS, THIS GRAPH REALLY SHOWS US THAT WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN MAKING PROGRESS, BUT WE HAVE WORK, UM, WORK AHEAD OF US IN ORDER TO BEND THAT EMISSION CURVE DOWN. 
          UM, AND SO ZOOMING IN A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE EXISTING STATEWIDE REGULATIONS THAT ARE INTENT THAT 
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ARE ALREADY ON THE BOOKS TO DECARBONIZE BUILDINGS. 
          AND WE'LL DO THAT THROUGH A LITTLE TOUR OF, OF THESE STATE AGENCIES THAT, THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED HERE, KIND OF TAKING EACH IN TURN. 
          SO STARTING WITH THE CALIFORNIA ENERGY COMMISSION, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE CALIFORNIA AIR RESOURCES BOARD, THE SOUTH COAST AIR QUALITY MANAGEMENT DISTRICT HERE, UM, LOCALLY. 
          AND, UM, FINALLY A COMMENT ON WHAT THE CALIFORNIA PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION IS DOING TOWARDS THIS, UH, TOWARDS BUILDING DECARBONIZATION POLICY. 
          UM, AND SO STARTING WITH THE CEC, UM, THE CALIFORNIA ENERGY COMMISSION WAS, UM, MANDATED BY THE WARREN ALW ALQUIST ACT BACK IN THE SEVENTIES TO UPDATE AND ADOPT BUILDING STANDARDS TO REDUCE WASTEFUL, UNECONOMIC AND INEFFICIENT ENERGY CONSUMPTION IN BUILDINGS. 
          UM, AND SO THEY'VE BEEN DOING THIS EVERY THREE YEARS, UPDATING THE BUILDING CODE, THE ENERGY CODE, UM, FOR DECADES NOW. 
          UM, AND ACTUALLY THE MOST RECENT UPDATE TO THE ENERGY CODE, THE 2025 ENERGY CODE WAS ADOPTED JUST LAST MONTH. 
          UM, AND THEY'VE TAKEN SOME REALLY SIGNIFICANT STEPS TO ENCOURAGE ELECTRIFICATION OF BOTH NEW BUILDINGS AND EXISTING BUILDINGS THROUGH THE ENERGY CODE. 
          SO, QUICK HIGHLIGHT, UM, NOT, UH, ESSENTIALLY FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, UM, CALIFORNIA IS REALLY LEADING, UM, ONE OF THE LEADERS IN THE NATION FOR REQUIRING OR STRONGLY ENCOURAGING HEAT PUMP TECHNOLOGY, UM, IN NEW BUILDINGS. 
          AND SO THIS WILL HAVE THE EFFECT OF STRONGLY ENCOURAGING ALL ELECTRIC NEW CONSTRUCTION FOR ALL BUILDINGS ACROSS THE STATE, UM, STARTING JANUARY 1ST, 2026. 
          UM, ADDITIONALLY FOR THE EXISTING BUILDING STOCK, YOU KNOW, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE BUILDINGS IN CALIFORNIA ARE ALREADY BUILT. 
          UM, THERE IS A, A FIRST IN THE NATION TYPE POLICY THAT WILL STRONGLY ENCOURAGE COMMERCIAL BUILDING OWNERS TO REPLACE THEIR, WHEN, WHEN THEIR ROOFTOP HVAC SYSTEMS BREAK DOWN, WHEN THEY REACH THE END OF THEIR LIFE, THERE'S A NEW POLICY IN THE CODE THAT WILL STRONGLY ENCOURAGE THOSE SIT THOSE, UM, FORMALLY FOSSIL FUEL FIRED APPLIANCES TO BE REPLACED WITH EOX THAT RUN ON, UM, ELECTRICITY. 
          UM, SO THOSE ARE REALLY STRONG SIGNALS TAKEN TOGETHER THAT THE STATE IS PUTTING IN THE CODE, UM, TO ENCOURAGE ALL ELECTRIC AT THE NEW CONSTRUCTION PHASE AND EXISTING BUILDINGS. 
          SO THIS APPLIES, UM, STATEWIDE. 
          UH, THE NEXT AGENCIES IN OUR TOUR, UM, ARE THE AIR RESOURCES BOARDS, BOTH AT THE STATE LEVEL AND SOUTH COAST HERE LOCALLY. 
          UM, AND UNDER FEDERAL AND STATE LAW, THESE AGENCIES ARE THE ONES THAT ARE UNDER LEGAL OBLIGATION TO ENFORCE AIR POLLUTION REGULATIONS. 
          AND SO THESE REGULATIONS ARE PRIMARILY MEANT TO ENSURE, UM, THAT WE MEET FEDERAL AND STATE AIR QUALITY, UH, STANDARDS. 
          AND SO THEY'RE SUPER CRITICAL IN IMPROVING AIR QUALITY AND PROTECTING PUBLIC HEALTH. 
          UM, AND WE KNOW THAT IN CALIFORNIA, WE WE'RE HOME TO SOME OF THE MOST POLLUTED CITIES, UM, IN THE COUNTRY. 
          UM, SO THERE'S, THEY PLAY A SUPER IMPORTANT ROLE. 
          UM, AND SO CURRENTLY ACTIVELY RIGHT NOW, THE STATE THROUGH THE CALIFORNIA AIR RESOURCES BOARD IS CONSIDERING, UM, ADOPTING A POLICY THAT WOULD REQUIRE ZERO EMISSION SPACE AND WATER HEATING APPLIANCES WHEN THEY'RE SOLD. 
          UM, AND THAT IS AN, IS THE PUBLIC PROCESS FOR THAT, IS JUST GETTING STARTED RIGHT NOW. 
          AND THEY'RE GONNA BE ANTICIPATED RULE MAKING FOR WHEN THEY ACTUALLY PUT THESE RULES IN PLACE IS ANTICIPATED IN 2025 AND 26, AND THEY'RE SORT OF THE, THIS A SIMILAR POLICY EFFORT, UM, HAPPENING HERE LOCALLY IN THE SOUTH COAST AIR QUALITY MANAGEMENT DISTRICT, UM, THAT IS MORE OR LESS IN LINE WITH WHAT THE STATE IS UP TO IN REQUIRING, AGAIN, ZERO EMISSION SPACE AND WATER HEATERS. 
          UM, SO YOUR FURNACES AND YOUR WATER HEATERS WOULD NEED TO BE ZERO EMISSION AT THE POINT OF SALE. 
          UM, RIGHT. 
          SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO HOME DEPOT OR GOING TO LOWE'S, YOU JUST WOULDN'T FIND THOSE ON THE SHELF. 
          YOU, YOU WOULD FIND A A ZERO EMISSION APPLIANCE INSTEAD. 
          UM, AND THEN TO ROUND OUT OUR TOUR OF THESE THREE, UH, STATE ORGANIZATIONS, THERE, THERE ARE, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OTHERS, BUT THESE ARE KIND OF THE, THE THREE THAT I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT TODAY, UM, IS THE CALIFORNIA PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION. 
          AND SO THE CPUC, THEY DEVELOP AND OVERSEE, UM, VARIOUS PROGRAMS THAT ENCOURAGE, UH, BUILDING DECARBONIZATION. 
          SO, UH, NOTABLY THE THE TECH PROGRAM AND THE BUILD PROGRAMS, UM, BUT ALSO, UM, SOME, SOME REALLY KEY POLICY UPDATES THAT HAVE HAPPENED OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS OF THE CALIFORNIA PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION. 
          UM, THE FIRST WAS, UH, WHAT YOU SEE UP THERE IN 2023, UM, THE CPUC WAS THE, UM, THE FIRST, UH, REGULATORY BODY IN THE COUNTRY TO ELIMINATE ELECTRIC AND NATURAL GAS, UH, EXTENSION SUBSIDIES FOR MIXED FUEL CONSTRUCTION, MEANING CONSTRUCTION THAT USES BOTH GAS, NATURAL GAS AND ELECTRICITY. 
          SO THEY, UM, REMOVED THE SUBSIDY FOR 
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THOSE MIXED FUEL BUILDINGS. 
          AND ESSENTIALLY THIS WILL HAVE THE EFFECT OF, UM, ENCOURAGING ALL ELECTRIC NEW CONSTRUCTION BY MAKING THE ALL ELECTRIC CHOICE CHEAPER, UM, THAN THE MIXED FUEL OPTION. 
          UM, SO THAT, THAT IS A RULE THAT HAS BEEN, THAT HAS BEEN ADOPTED AND, AND IS IS ON THE BOOKS. 
          UM, AND THEN IN TERMS OF PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE, THE, THE CQC PLAYS A REALLY KEY ROLE IN THIS REGARD. 
          SO, AND ONE EXAMPLE OF OF HOW THEY'RE PLANNING, UM, RIGHT NOW, THEY JUST OPENED UP A, A RULEMAKING JUST A COUPLE, JUST LIKE A WEEK AGO, UM, AROUND PLANNING FOR A LONG-TERM TRANSITION OFF OF THE GAS SYSTEM, RIGHT? IF WE'RE THINKING ABOUT DECARBONIZING ALL OF OUR BUILDINGS, THIS IS A, THIS IS A DECADES LONG EFFORT. 
          AND SO THE CQC IS A REALLY, UH, CRUCIAL PIECE OF THE PLANNING PUZZLE TO MITIGATE RISKS, UM, UH, AND HELP UTILITIES PLAN FOR THAT FUTURE. 
          UM, BUT, BUT THEY HAVE BEEN, THEY, THEY KICKED OFF THAT, THAT PLANNING PROCEEDING. 
          AND SO THAT'S KIND OF A BRIEF THAT, UH, STATEWIDE OVERVIEW OF THE POLICIES THAT ARE, THAT ARE HAPPENING AT THE STATE LEVEL. 
          AND I WANNA ZOOM INTO THE LOCAL LEVEL. 
          UM, SO GIVEN THAT STATEWIDE POLICY LANDSCAPE, UM, LET'S TAKE A, YOU KNOW, TAKE A QUICK LOOK AT WHAT LONG BEACH CAN DO. 
          UM, SO FIRST AND FOREMOST, UH, LOCAL JURISDICTIONS HAVE REALLY BROAD AUTHORITY OVER THEIR OWN BUILDING STOCK. 
          UM, AND THEY CAN TAKE ACTIONS TO ELECTRIFY, UM, THEIR, THEIR OWN BUILDINGS, RIGHT? SO CITY HALL, FOR EXAMPLE, THE BUILDING THAT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW, UM, AND OF COURSE THIS LEADS TO GREENHOUSE GAS REDUCTIONS, BUT IT CAN ALSO, UM, BE A BIG OPPORTUNITY TO LEAD BY EXAMPLE, UM, AND TO GET THE MARKET AWARE OF, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW TO DO THESE FUEL SWITCHING PROJECTS. 
          SO YOU CAN SEND A REALLY STRONG SIGNAL. 
          UM, SIMILARLY, WE, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT INCENTIVES ALREADY, UM, THROUGH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CAP PRESENTATION EARLIER. 
          BUT OF COURSE, UM, CITY STAFF, YOU ALL ARE REALLY WELL EQUIPPED TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC, UM, ABOUT, ABOUT, UM, ALL ELECTRIC BUILDINGS AND ABOUT THE INCENTIVES THAT ARE AVAILABLE AT THE STATE LEVEL FOR RESIDENTS OF LONG BEACH. 
          UM, IN ONE STATEWIDE PROGRAM THAT MY ORGANIZATION RUNS IS CALLED THE SWITCHES ON, UM, SWITCHES ON.ORG. 
          AND IT'S A, IT'S A, UH, WEBSITE THAT IS COVERS THE ENTIRE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, AND YOU PLUG IN YOUR ZIP CODE INTO THAT WEBSITE AND IT'LL POPULATE A LIST OF INCENTIVES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO YOU, AS WELL AS IT CAN GET YOU CONNECTED WITH A CONTRACTOR THAT IS CERTIFIED IN, UM, HEAT PUMP INSTALLATIONS. 
          AND THEN FINALLY, OF COURSE, LOCAL GOVERNMENTS HAVE KIND OF A MENU OF POLICIES THAT THEY CAN ADOPT THAT GO ABOVE AND BEYOND THE STATE FOR ALL THE REST OF THE BUILDINGS, UM, IN LONG BEACH, OF WHICH, OF COURSE THERE ARE, THERE ARE MANY, UM, AND KIND OF TWO BROAD CATEGORIES AROUND THOSE POLICIES THAT CAN BE ADOPTED. 
          ONE ARE, UM, BUILDING PERFORMANCE STANDARDS. 
          AND SO THESE ARE STANDARDS THAT SET ENERGY OR EMISSION THRESHOLDS FOR SPECIFIC BUILDING TYPES, AND THEN THEY, THEY BECOME STRICTER OVER TIME, KIND OF IN A STEP FUNCTION. 
          UM, SO OVER TIME REQUIRING BUILDINGS TO REDUCE THEIR ENERGY OR TO REDUCE THEIR EMISSIONS, UM, NEXT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS CAN MODIFY THE BUILDING CODE ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT THE STATE HAS DONE THROUGH, FOR EXAMPLE, THE, THE ENERGY CODE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER. 
          UM, THESE ARE OFTEN REFERRED TO AS REACH CODES, UH, BECAUSE THEY REACH BEYOND WHAT THE STATE IS DOING IN THE STATEWIDE CODE. 
          UM, AND SO IN THIS CODE CYCLE, THERE'S A NUMBER OF OPTIONS THAT LONG BEACH COULD DO TO REACH BEYOND WHAT THE STATE, UM, HAS PASSED. 
          AND SO THERE'S SOME EXAMPLES THERE ON THE SCREEN. 
          UM, AND THEN FINALLY, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE VIEW ALL OF THESE POLICY CONVERSATIONS THROUGH THE LENS OF EVICTION AND DISPLACEMENT PROTECTION. 
          UM, AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF GREAT WORK DONE ON THIS AREA, BUT I'LL JUST HIGHLIGHT, UM, AN A LOS ANGELES BASED ORGANIZATION CALLED STRATEGIC ACTIONS FOR A JUST ECONOMY AND PUT OUT SOME GREAT WORK WHERE THEY HIGHLIGHT WAYS THAT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS CAN CO-CREATE WITH TENANTS AND TENANT ADVOCATES. 
          UM, TENANT PROTECTION PLANS THAT FOCUS ON LONG-TERM AFFORDABILITY AT THE SAME TIME AS BUILDING DECARBONIZATION POLICIES ARE, ARE THOUGHT ABOUT. 
          SO REALLY PAIRING TENANT PROTECTIONS WITH, WITH DECARBONIZATION POLICIES. 
          UM, AND THERE'S SOME, SOME RESOURCES THERE FROM, FROM THOSE ORGANIZATIONS. 
          SO THAT'S THE, THAT WAS THE TOUR OF THE, OF QUICKLY NATIONAL SCOPE, AND WE JUST WALKED THROUGH THREE OF THE KEY STATEWIDE ORGANIZATIONS, BRIEFLY WALK THROUGH LOCAL GOVERNMENT OPTIONS, BUT IT STILL LEAVES US WITH THIS ISSUE AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF BUILDINGS IN THE US, UH, SPECIFICALLY 130 MILLION BUILDINGS. 
          UM, AND ABOUT 90% OF THOSE ARE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, ABOUT 5% MULTI-FAMILY, THE REMAINING COMMERCIAL, UH, OR INSTITUTIONAL. 
          UM, AND NOT ONLY THAT, UM, KIND OUR CURRENT APPROACH TO BUILDING DECARBONIZATION IN THE HOUSE BY HOUSE 
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APPROACH, OR THE APPLIANCE BY APPLIANCE APPROACH, EXACTLY THE SAME REALLY KIND OF RESULTS IN THIS, UH, SCATTERED MIX OF ALL OF THESE ACTORS WHO ARE NOT NECESSARILY COORDINATED. 
          SO ALL THESE FOLKS, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR A BUILDING DECARBONIZATION PROJECT TO HAPPEN, UM, YOU CAN RUN INTO SORT OF PAIN POINTS IN, IN LOTS OF DIFFERENT AREAS OF, OF, OF PROJECT. 
          AND SO IF YOU MULTIPLY THAT BY 130 BILLIONS, YOU KNOW, THAT ADDS UP TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT PAIN POINTS. 
          UM, AND SO WE THINK, UH, AS OUR ORGANIZATION THAT, UM, THAT WE REALLY NEED A MANAGED AND COORDINATED APPROACH TO BUILDING DECARBONIZATION IN ORDER TO MEET OUR CLIMATE GOALS. 
          UM, AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE PROBLEM THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF PIECES OF THE PUZZLE, IT'S THAT THE PIECES OF THE PUZZLE AREN'T, UM, UNITED AND THEY'RE NOT ALIGNED, UM, TOWARDS MANAGING A TRANSITION OFF OF THE GAS SYSTEM. 
          SO THE QUESTION IS, IT'S, IT'S NICE THAT YOU CAN CREATE A SLIDE THAT LIKE, BRINGS THOSE PIECES TOGETHER, BUT, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU REALLY, HOW MIGHT WE REALLY DO THIS? UM, AND SO WE THINK ABOUT THIS IDEA OF NEIGHBORHOOD SCALE DECARBONIZATION HAPPENING VIA TWO, UM, MAIN PATHWAYS. 
          THE FIRST STRATEGY ON THE LEFT IS THROUGH THE ELECTRIC PATHWAY, WHICH ESSENTIALLY MAKES USE OF THE EXISTING GRID THAT WE ALREADY HAVE. 
          BUT THE THING THAT MAKES THIS A NEIGHBORHOOD SCALE SOLUTION IS SIMPLY THE FACT THAT AN ENTITY LIKE A UTILITY OR A MUNICIPALITY IS ORGANIZING AND MANAGING THE TRANSITION FOR AN ENTIRE GROUP OF BUILDINGS, LIKE A BLOCK, LIKE, OR A NEIGHBORHOOD AND, UH, NOT JUST A SINGLE HOUSE. 
          UM, SO IN PRACTICE IT WOULD PAIR, UM, THE INCREASINGLY CLEAN ELECTRIC GRID, UM, WHICH, WHICH BY, YOU KNOW, OUR POLICY AND LAW IN CALIFORNIA IS BECOMING MORE, MORE CLEAN AND, UM, PAIRS THE GRID WITH THE EFFICIENT AND ELECTRIC APPLIANCES, UM, THAT YOU SEE UP THERE ON THE SCREEN. 
          AND DOING SO AS I SAID, IN A, IN A, IN A WAY IN WHICH THE UTILITY OR SOME OTHER COORDINATING BODY COULD MANAGE MULTIPLE PROJECTS AT ONCE. 
          UM, SO THEN THE OTHER PATHWAY ON THE RIGHT IS SOMETHING CALLED A THERMAL ENERGY NETWORK. 
          UM, AND THESE, THESE SYSTEMS RELY ON A GROUP OF BUILDINGS TO SHARE ENERGY THROUGH THERMAL LOOPS IN THE GROUND. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT THAT PURPLE LOOP IS THEY'RE REPRESENTING. 
          AND THE LOOPS THEMSELVES ARE MADE UP OF PIPES THAT LOOK ESSENTIALLY FROM THE OUTSIDE, JUST LIKE GAS PIPES, BUT INSTEAD OF CARRYING GAS THROUGH THE SYSTEM, THEY CARRY WATER TO TRANSFER ENERGY WHERE IT'S NEEDED. 
          AND THEN A GROUND SOURCE HEAT PUMP, WHICH IS JUST AN APPLIANCE THAT WOULD SIT IN, THAT WOULD SIT IN A BUILDING OR IN YOUR HOME, UM, THAT TRANSFERS THE ENERGY FROM THE WATER FOR SPACE HEATING, UH, AND WATER HEATING, UH, NEEDS. 
          SO, UM, DURING THE SUMMER, JUST TO KIND OF DIVE INTO HOW IT WOULD WORK A LITTLE BIT MORE DURING THE SUMMER, THE GEOTHERMAL SYSTEM DRAWS HEAT FROM THE BUILDING. 
          SO IT'S HOT IN THE SUMMER IN THE BUILDING, DRAWS THAT HEAT AND PULLS IT AND TRANSFERS IT TO THE GROUND USING THAT HEAT PUMP. 
          UM, DURING THE WINTER, IT DRAWS HEAT FROM THE GROUND AND TRANSFERS IT TO THE BUILDING. 
          UM, AND, AND I KEEP USING THE TERM HEAT PUMP, AND IT IS ESSENTIALLY, IT'S AN APPLIANCE THAT WORKS THE SAME WAY AS A REFRIGERATOR. 
          IT WORKS THE SAME WAY AS A, AS A ONE, AS AN AIR CONDITIONING UNIT. 
          IT USES A REFRIGERANT TO TRANSFER ENERGY FROM ONE PLACE TO ANOTHER. 
          UM, SO IT DOES IT IN A SUPER EFFICIENT WAY. 
          UM, AND INSTEAD OF USING COMBUSTION, AND ADDITIONALLY WITH THESE THERMAL ENERGY NETWORKS, BECAUSE THE GROUND IS A CONSISTENT, UH, TEMPERATURE, UM, IT AVOIDS THE, THE PEAKS AND VALLEYS THAT, UH, ELECTRIFICATION COULD PLACE ON THE ELECTRIC SYSTEM. 
          UM, SO ESSENTIALLY IT'S A, A SUPER EFFICIENT, UH, SYSTEM. 
          UM, AND ANOTHER REALLY GREAT BENEFIT OF A THERMAL ENERGY NETWORK TRANSITION IS THAT, UM, IT OFFERS AN ALTERNATIVE FOR, UM, GAS COMPANIES AND THEIR WORKERS, UM, BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THIS PIPE IS VERY SIMILAR TO GAS PIPE. 
          UM, UNION WORKERS WHO WORK ON, UM, PIPE FITTING ARE, ARE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS TECHNOLOGY 'CAUSE IT OFFERS A, A TRANSITION, UM, FROM A FOSSIL FUEL BASED ECONOMY TOWARDS A CLEAN ENERGY, UH, ECONOMY. 
          UM, ANOTHER BENEFIT OF A THERMAL ENERGY NETWORK SYSTEM IS THAT THEY USE A LOT LESS WATER, UM, TRADITIONAL, UH, WHAT ARE CALLED A BACKWARD COOLING SYSTEMS CONSUME A LOT OF WATER. 
          THOSE, THOSE APPLIANCES THAT YOU SEE, YOU KNOW, AROUND US, WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW, THERE'S BIG, BIG APPLIANCES ON BUILDINGS, UM, AND THOSE ARE CONSUMING A TON OF WATER. 
          UM, WE, WE ACTUALLY JUST PUT A REPORT OUT ON THIS, UM, ISSUE WHERE WE LOOKED AT, UH, LOS ANGELES COUNTY, AND IF WE HYPOTHETICALLY WERE TO REPLACE ALL OF THESE EVAPORATIVE COOLING SYSTEMS WITH A THERMAL ENERGY NETWORK, 
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UM, HERE ACROSS THE COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES, YOU WOULD SAVE 2.5 BILLION GALLONS OF WATER, UM, A YEAR. 
          SO NOT JUST AN ENERGY BENEFIT, BUT KIND OF ONE OF THE UNDERUTILIZED, TO BE HONEST, UM, BENEFITS OF, OF THESE SYSTEMS IS, IS THEIR WATER SAVINGS. 
          AND SO, UM, AS I MENTIONED, THERE'S, THERE'S A NUMBER OF REASONS WHY WE MIGHT NEED THIS OR WHY WE DO NEED A MANAGED TRANSITION OFF OF GAS, UM, THROUGH APPROACHES LIKE NEIGHBORHOOD SCALE. 
          UM, BECAUSE THE, THE PROBLEM WITH AN UNMANAGED TRANSITION IS, ONE, IT'S NOT SCALABLE. 
          UM, IT DOESN'T OFFER A CLEAR PATH FOR WORKERS. 
          UM, IF, IF YOU'RE NOT MANAGING THE TRANSITION AND AN UNMANAGED TRANSITION REALLY PERPETUATES INEQUITIES, RIGHT? SO IF, IF, FOR EXAMPLE, ONLY HOMEOWNERS WITH THE FINANCIAL MEANS, UM, TO AFFORD TO ELECTRIFY ALL THEIR APPLIANCES, IF THEY'RE THE ONES THAT DO SO, UM, AND RENTERS CAN'T MAKE THE SWITCH, UM, IT, IT CAN LEAD TO A NEGATIVE FEEDBACK LOOP IN WHICH PEOPLE WHO ARE STILL LEFT ON THE SYSTEM END UP PAYING MORE AND MORE AND MORE FOR THE SYSTEM. 
          UM, SO WE REALLY WANT TO AVOID THAT, RIGHT? THAT UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE. 
          UM, AND IT, THE AFFORDABILITY PIECE IS REALLY IMPORTANT. 
          UM, CALIFORNIANS, UH, CALIFORNIA GAS CUSTOMERS ARE SPENDING RIGHT NOW $2.5 BILLION ANNUALLY TO REPAIR AND MAINTAIN GAS PIPELINES. 
          AND SO IF YOU ADD THIS UP OVER, UH, THE NEXT DECADE, IT COULD, IT, IT'S GONNA COST SOMETHING AROUND THE ORDER OF 20 BILLION, SORRY, $20 BILLION, UM, JUST TO REPAIR THE AGING GAS PIPELINE SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE. 
          SO THERE'S BIG INVESTMENTS COMING UP FOR US IN THE FUTURE. 
          AND SO WE, UM, IT'S A REALLY OPPORTUNE TIME TO THINK ABOUT, AS I SAID, PLANNING FOR, FOR THIS MANAGED APPROACH. 
          UM, AND SO WE, AS OUR ORGANIZATION, UM, I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS AND DECIDED TO, TO SPONSOR A, A BILL WITH EARTH JUSTICE AND NRDC, THE NATURAL RESOURCES DEFENSE COUNCIL, WE SAW A NEED TO, TO KICKSTART THIS PLANNING PROCESS. 
          SO WE, WE SPONSORED A BILL CALLED SB 1221, JUST THE NEIGHBOR, THE PRIORITY NEIGHBORHOOD DECARBONIZATION ACT, WHICH WAS PASSED BY THE LEGISLATURE THIS YEAR, UM, AND SIGNED INTO LAW BY THE GOVERNOR JUST A COUPLE WEEKS AGO. 
          AND SO WHAT THIS BILL DOES IS IT'S, IT SETS UP, UM, THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION, UM, 30 COST EFFECTIVE ZONE DECARBONIZATION PILOTS OR NEIGHBORHOOD SCALE PILOTS ACROSS THE STATE, UM, SO THAT THE UTILITIES CAN START TO LEARN HOW TO DO THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS AND MODEL HOW TO SCALE, UM, THIS, UH, THIS CLEAN ENERGY SOLUTION STATEWIDE. 
          UM, AND SO THE IDEA IS INSTEAD OF SPENDING MILLION, BILLIONS ON REPLACING PIPELINES THAT THAT MIGHT BECOME OBSOLETE, HOUSEHOLDS WHO PARTICIPATE IN THESE PILOTS WOULD BE UPGRADED WITH ENERGY EFFICIENT ELECTRIC APPLIANCES, UM, AT NO COST. 
          AND THE IDEA IS, IS AGAIN, THIS, THIS APPROACH CAN, CAN SAVE FOLKS MONEY, UH, WHILE IMPROVING AIR QUALITY CLIMATE AND, AND CLIMATE RESILIENCE. 
          UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY EXCITED THAT THIS PIECE OF LEGISLATION, UM, WAS IN ENACT THIS YEAR. 
          UM, AND I'LL JUST CLOSE, THIS IS MY LAST SLIDE, UM, TO KIND OF LEAVE, LEAVE US WITH SOME, SOME THOUGHTS FOR LONG BEACH. 
          'CAUSE LONG BEACH IS ACTUALLY IN A, IN A REALLY UNIQUE, UM, SITUATION IN THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, LONG BEACH UTILITIES PROVIDES, UM, THE GAS, WATER, AND SEWER SERVICES, UM, FOR THE CITY. 
          SO YOU ALL IN LONG BEACH ARE, ARE ACTUALLY REALLY GOOD AT COORDINATING PIPES, UM, IN THE GROUND, UM, WHICH IS WHAT THE THERMAL ENERGY TECHNOLOGY CALLS FOR. 
          UM, AND SO I THINK GIVEN THE UNIQUE ARRANGEMENT OF, OF LONG BEACH UTILITY SERVICES, UM, THERMAL ENERGY NETWORKS COULD BE A REALLY EXCELLENT NEIGHBORHOOD SCALE DECARBONIZATION SOLUTION HERE IN LONG BEACH. 
          UM, AND AS WELL, GIVEN THAT THE CITY, UM, HAS EYES ON THE MAKEUP OF THE GAS DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM, UM, MANY CITIES WILL HAVE TO COORDINATE WITH THEIR UTILITY TO UNDERSTAND, UM, THE SYSTEM. 
          BUT HERE IN LONG BEACH, UM, GIVEN THAT YOU ALL ARE, ARE THAT MUNICIPAL UTILITY REALLY KIND OF GIVES YOU A UNIQUE ADVANTAGE, UM, IN, IN THIS CASE. 
          UM, AND SO, UM, WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE QUESTIONS ANSWERED YET, BUT I THINK IT'S, IT, IT'S A REALLY EXCITING TIME FOR LONG BEACH TO, TO START ASKING THE RIGHT QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, COORDINATING ACROSS DEPARTMENTS AND ACROSS REGIONAL PARTNERS HERE IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, UM, TO UNDERSTAND THE FEASIBILITY OF THESE PATHWAYS THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTING HERE LOCALLY HERE IN LONG BEACH. 
          UM, AND SO I'LL JUST LEAVE YOU WITH THE CLOSING MESSAGE AGAIN THAT I THINK LONG BEACH IS IN A REALLY UNIQUE POSITION TO BE A LEADER, UM, IN THIS EMERGING APPROACH TO A CLEANER AND MORE RESILIENT ENERGY FUTURE. 
          UM, SO WITH THAT, I'LL, I'LL CLOSE AND OPEN IT UP TO CONVERSATION WITH Y'ALL TODAY. 
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          UM, COMMISSIONER, THANK YOU FOR VERY INFORMATIVE PRESENTATION AND VERY EXCITING. 
          UM, AS IS MY WANT TO DO, I WOULD BE VERY CURIOUS IF YOU CAN TELL ME HOW MANY YEARS IT WILL TAKE FOR THE SAVINGS GENERATED BY THIS NEW TECHNOLOGY TO OFFSET THE CAPITAL COSTS REQUIRED IN BUILDING THE INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          YEAH, SO, UM, THE, THE PAYBACK PERIOD IS REALLY GOING TO DEPEND ON THESE PILOT PROJECTS, AND THEY'RE, AND THEY'RE GONNA TAKE DIFFERENT FORMS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WROTE THAT IS WRITTEN IN THE LEGISLATION IS THAT THEY NEED TO BE, UM, COST EFFECTIVE OVER THE LIFETIME OF THE PROJECT. 
          UM, AND GIVEN THAT THESE ARE, UH, NEW, THIS IS A NEW IDEA, THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO, TO FOCUS ON THE PILOT PHASE. 
          BUT, UM, AND SO THE, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I DON'T KNOW WHAT OFF THE, SOMETIMES IT'S, IT'S 15 YEAR COST EFFECTIVE PAYBACK PERIOD, SOMETIMES 30 YEARS. 
          AND I CAN'T REMEMBER, UM, WHAT WAS, WHAT IS ASSUMED IN THIS CASE, BUT THE ASSUMPTION IS THAT THEY WOULD BE, UM, COST EFFECTIVE PROJECTS, UM, SO THAT THE CAPITAL COSTS WOULD BE, UM, PAID BACK BY THE, THE, UM, EITHER THE AVOIDED COSTS OF NOT HAVING TO SPEND ALL THAT MONEY ON PUTTING THE GAP, THE GAS PIPES IN THE GROUND. 
          UM, UH, WELL, AND I GUESS THAT THAT GOES INTO THE COST EFFECT EQUATION. 
          UH, A FOLLOW UP TO THAT, IF YOU DON'T MIND, PLEASE, LAUREN. 
          YEAH, OF COURSE. 
          UM, WOULD, WOULD IT BE FAIR TO SAY THAT WE DON'T KNOW PRESENTLY, BUT ONCE SOME OF THESE PILOT PROJECTS ARE WORKING, WE'LL BE ABLE TO HAVE A MORE, UH, A BETTER ABILITY TO PROJECT THE NUMBER OF YEARS NEEDED? YEAH, AND I, AND I WOULD HIGHLIGHT, I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY CORRECT, AND I WOULD HIGHLIGHT THE, UM, THOSE TWO PATHWAYS THAT I MENTIONED, THE ELECTRIC PATHWAY IN THE THERMAL ENERGY NETWORK PATHWAY. 
          UM, THERMAL ENERGY NETWORKS ARE SPECIFICALLY CALLED OUT IN THIS LEGISLATION AT ONE OPTION, UM, HERE IN CALIFORNIA, BECAUSE IT'S A SUPER MILD CLIMATE. 
          UM, AIR SOURCE HEAT PUMPS, UM, SIMILAR TO AN AIR CONDITIONER THAT PROVIDES BOTH HEATING AND COOLING, THEY ACTUALLY WORK SUPER WELL HERE. 
          UM, AND SO IT, AND SO USING THE ELECTRIC GRID, UM, TO POWER ALL OF THESE APPLIANCES IS TRULY THE, THE SAME WAY THAT WE, UM, POWER OUR HOMES RIGHT NOW. 
          SO THERE'S NOT A TON OF LEARNING OR INNOVATION ON THAT SIDE. 
          IT'S, UH, FROM A TECHNOLOGY PERSPECTIVE, IT'S ACTUALLY, IT'S MORE OF A UTILITIES THEMSELVES LEARNING HOW TO DO LIKE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF PROJECT. 
          UM, AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE IT'S, IT'S ALMOST THE HUMAN AND THE SOCIAL, UM, THE ORGANIZATIONAL INNOVATION THAT'LL HAPPEN I THINK ON, ON THE ELECTRIC SIDE. 
          WHEREAS ON THE THERMAL ENERGY NETWORK SIDE, THERE IS DEFINITELY GOING TO BE A COST CURVE THAT WILL COME DOWN AS MORE AND MORE PILOT PROJECTS ARE, ARE DONE. 
          AND AS THE, YOU KNOW, THE THEORY GOES, UM, SO I THINK THE THERMAL ENERGY NETWORK SIDE IS A, IS, UM, WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY FOR LEARNING AND FOR, FOR COSTS TO COME DOWN BECAUSE THESE ARE, UM, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT NOVEL IN THE SENSE THAT THIS TECHNOLOGY IS NOT BRAND NEW. 
          IT'S, IT EXISTS ON COLLEGE CAMPUSES AND EXISTS IN LOTS OF PLACES AROUND THE WORLD, BUT THE INNOVATION OF HAVING A UTILITY OR A MUNICIPALITY ORGANIZING THIS PROJECT FOR AN ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT'S SORT OF THE, THE KEY NEW INNOVATION. 
          UM, SO I THINK THE LEARNING, THERE'S LEARNING, THERE'S OPPORTUNITY FOR WE AS PEOPLE TO LEARN AS PROFESSIONALS. 
          AND THEN THERE, AND AGAIN, I THINK TECHNOLOGICALLY FROM ON THERMAL ENERGY NETWORKS, UM, THERE WILL BE COST CURVES THAT THAT WILL COME DOWN. 
          I HAVE JUST ONE MORE ON IT. 
          I'M SORRY TO NO, PLEASE KIND OF MONOPOLIZE THE FLOOR HERE. 
          UM, I, I TEND TO AGREE WITH YOU THAT LONG BEACH IS IN A PRETTY, PRETTY POSSIBLY UNIQUE, BUT CERTAINLY RARE YEAH. 
          SITUATION IN THAT WE HAVE A UNIFIED, UH, UTILITY. 
          UM, COULD YOU ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT MORE ON WHAT, UH, WHAT FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE IS AVAILABLE FROM THE, FROM THE STATE AS A RESULT OF THE LEGISLATION THAT YOU FOLKS GOT PASSED? YEAH, SO IT, IT FOCUSES REALLY, REALLY SPECIFICALLY ON THESE 30 PILOTS. 
          UM, AND IT'S ALL ABOUT THE FINANCIAL OBLIGATION IS ALL ON UTILITIES, 
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UM, VERSUS ON THE, THE CONSUMERS THEMSELVES, RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO FOLKS WHO, FOLKS WHO HAVE RECEIVED, UM, ESSENTIALLY FREE UPGRADES WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE PILOT AREA. 
          SO WITHIN, LET'S SAY A NEIGHBORHOOD, IF, UM, IF FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S A PIPE IN THE GROUND THAT, UM, THAT SOCAL GAS DETERMINES IS REACHING THE END OF ITS USEFUL LIFE, MAYBE IT'S BEEN THERE FOR 70 YEARS AND YOU KNOW, IT'S ALREADY UP FOR REPAIR. 
          SO THAT'S, AND THIS IS JUST TOTALLY A HYPOTHETICAL, UM, THEY'RE GONNA SORT OF DETERMINE HOW THESE PROJECTS GO, BUT, UM, THE, UM, THAT MIGHT BE A CANDIDATE FOR, UH, A PILOT PROJECT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE UTILITIES ARE ALREADY PLANNING ON THIS HUGE CAPITAL INVESTMENT IN THAT AREA. 
          SO INSTEAD OF THIS BIG UPFRONT COST REPLACING THE PIPE, UM, INSTEAD, UH, USING THAT MONEY AND SPENDING IT ON, UM, MAYBE SOME UPGRADE OF THE ELECTRIC INFRASTRUCTURE, SOME OF THE TRANSMISSION, YOU KNOW, TECHNOLOGY AND THINGS, AND THEN ALSO ON, ON THE ELECTRIC COMPLIANCES IN THE HOME. 
          BUT, UM, THE IDEA IS THAT THE FINANCIAL BURDEN OF THAT WOULD BE, UM, WOULD BE ALL ON UTILITY. 
          I, I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING IS IF, IF I'M THE, UH, THE NEW HEAD OF OUR, UH, UTILITY, UH, CONGLOMERATE, YEAH, I WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S IN IT FOR ME. 
          SURE. 
          SO MAYBE THIS PAYS OFF, MAYBE IT DOESN'T. 
          YEAH. 
          IS THERE ANY MONEY FROM THE STATE THAT'S AVAILABLE TO THE UTILITIES TO HELP OFFSET THOSE COSTS TO, UH, MINIMIZE ANY, UH, WORRIES ABOUT DOWNSIDE? I SEE. 
          UM, I DON'T BELIEVE SO. 
          I THINK THE WAY THAT THE PROJECTS ARE GONNA BE FINANCED, UM, THE, THE UTILITIES WILL STILL RECEIVE THEIR, UM, PROFIT THAT'S SORT OF GUARANTEED TO THEM THROUGH THE, THROUGH BEING AN INVESTOR OWNED UTILITY. 
          UM, BUT YEAH, SO AS FAR AS AN, AN ADDITIONAL FUNDING STREAM OR INCENTIVE STREAM, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT OKAY. 
          IS THERE, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER KO. 
          YES. 
          UM, LAUREN, THANK YOU FOR THE UPDATES AND FOR WALKING US THROUGH THE, THE TRUER OF ALL THE AGENCIES AND THE POLICIES AND THE KEY. 
          IT'S SO EASY TO FOLLOW AND UNDERSTAND. 
          UM, AND I APPRECIATE TOO THE UPDATE ON THIS PROGRAM. 
          I HEARD THE, THE BLURB ABOUT IT EARLIER THIS WEEK AND WANTED TO FIND OUT MORE, UM, SPECIFICALLY HOW WILL, UM, BBC AND THE PARTNERS BE ENGAGING CITIES OR CITIES ON THE HOOK TO APPLY FOR THIS THEMSELVES AND HAVE IDENTIFIED A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT COULD FIT AND THEN KICKING THAT QUESTION TO THE, TO OUR LONG BEACH STAFF VERSUS TO SEE THIS IS SOMETHING, UM, THE CITIES INTERESTED IN. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THE THE 30 PILOT PROJECTS THAT THE LEGISLATION CALLS OUT REALLY KICK IT TO THE CALIFORNIA PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION TO WORK WITH THE UTILITIES TO DETERMINE, UM, WHERE, UM, AND THERE'S DEFINITELY A ROLE FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO BE A PART OF THAT CONVERSATION IN, IN PARTNERSHIP, I WOULD SAY, WITH THEIR, WITH THEIR UTILITY. 
          I THINKING OF, UM, THE PROJECT THAT CAME OUT LAST YEAR, I GUESS IRVINE WAS A PARTNER OF THIS AS WELL, THAT'S DEVELOPMENT OUT IN RIVERSIDE COUNTY. 
          AND , THE UTILITY WAS A PARTNER AND THE FEDERAL FUNDING E THEY GOT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO DO ALL ELECTRIC CONSTRUCTION, BUT IT WAS NEW CONSTRUCTION OR COMMUNITY IN LONG BEACH WHERE WE'VE GOT NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE OLDER AND A LOT OF REPAIR. 
          UM, JUST WONDERING IF WE BECOME A GOOD CANDIDATE OR NOT, UH, FOR THE UTILITY TO PICK THAT NEIGHBORHOOD HERE. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, UM, I MEAN THE INTERESTING, YOU KNOW, I HAVE, SO HONESTLY, SO MANY QUESTIONS ABOUT, AND LIKE EXCITING QUESTIONS ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY FOR LONG BEACH, GIVEN THE, YOUR UNIQUE MUNICIPAL STRUCTURE. 
          THERE'S JUST, UH, LOTS OF SORT OF LEGAL THREADS TO PULL ON AND UNDERSTAND. 
          UM, BUT I SEE THE HUGE BENEFIT IS BECAUSE YOU ALL AS A CITY HAVE A WINDOW INTO YOUR GAS SYSTEM ALREADY BUILT INTO THE MUNICIPAL STRUCTURE OF THE CITY. 
          WHEREAS, YOU KNOW, WHERE I LIVE IN IRVINE, THEY WOULD'VE TO COORDINATE WITH SOCAL GAS. 
          AND OFTENTIMES THERE'S A, UM, A DIFFICULTY IN FINDING INFORMATION. 
          SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THIS BILL ALSO DOES THAT I DIDN'T MENTION, IS IT REQUIRES UTILITIES JUST TO MAP OUT AND MAKE PUBLICLY AVAILABLE WHERE THEIR DISTRIBUTION NETWORKS ARE SUCH THAT OTHER FOLKS, AND NOT, NOT JUST THE UTILITY OF THEMSELVES, CAN HAVE EYES ON THAT DATA TO PROPOSE, UM, AREAS THAT THEY THINK MIGHT BE FEASIBLE FOR, UH, FOR THIS TYPE OF NEIGHBORHOOD SCALE PROJECTS. 
          I'M NOT SURE IF THAT TOTALLY ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION, BUT YEAH, THAT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A LITTLE MORE TO, UH, KIND OF DIG INTO YEAH. 
          ABOUT, I THINK SO SOMETHING THAT MIGHT HELP TOO, FOR LONG BEACH, PARTICULAR, A COUPLE YEARS AGO NOW, LONG BEACH WORKED WITH BRAND AND THEY WERE DOING A STUDY ON GAS INFRASTRUCTURE AND IMPACTS OF GAS SYSTEM IF WE DECARBONIZE AND ELECTRIFY. 
          SO SOME OF THAT MAPPING MIGHT ALREADY BE AVAILABLE. 
          UM, 'CAUSE I REMEMBER THEY WERE STARTING TO DO THAT WORK. 
          I MEAN, JUST DOING ANOTHER UPDATE THIS YEAR. 
          BUT, UM, THIS YEAR'S UPDATE DID INVOLVE LONG BEACH, SO 
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I DON'T KNOW IF STAFF HERE FAMILIAR WITH THAT PROJECT OR, OR WE CAN ASK THE, THE RAM FOLKS TO SEND US WHAT THEY HAVE ON IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IS ANY OTHER COMMENT? OKAY. 
          SORRY, PERMISSION. 
          NO, THAT'S OKAY. 
          UM, UH, LET'S SEE. 
          SO A A COUPLE OF THINGS. 
          UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH AGAIN, LAWRENCE, FOR COMING IN AND, UH, AND HELPING US OUT HERE. 
          UH, A COUPLE OF POINTS IN RESPONSE TO COMMISSIONER TOKOS QUESTION, UM, TO HELP WITH THAT ON THE, THE ENTIRE CLEAN ENERGY TRANSITION IS, UH, MUCH MORE CAPEX INTENSIVE, MUCH LESS OPEX INTENSIVE. 
          THAT'S TRUE ACROSS, YOU KNOW, UH, ALL THE ELECTRICITY GENERATION, EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          SO THIS IS A, A CHALLENGE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET USED TO IS, UH, FOCUSING NOT JUST ON THE CAPEX OR, UH, FIRST COST OF, UH, OF MACHINERY AND REPLACEMENTS, BUT ALSO THE LIFECYCLE COST ANALYSIS. 
          UH, MANY OF THE ANALYSES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE SAY YES, OVERALL THE BALANCE IS GONNA BE LOWER LIFECYCLE TOTAL COSTS, UH, BECAUSE THE OPERATING EXPENSES ARE GONNA BE SO MUCH LESS THAN WITH GAS. 
          UM, AND AN EXAMPLE EARLY TRANSITION. 
          THE TECH PROGRAM IS REPLACING, UH, WATER HEATERS AND HVAC EQUIPMENT IN RESIDENTIAL, UM, SETTINGS ACROSS THE STATE. 
          AND BY LAST FALL, UH, AND I DON'T HAVE NEWER NUMBERS YET, BUT THEY HAD COMPLETED A LITTLE OVER 600, UH, HOMES AND HAD A FULL YEAR OF OPERATION AFTER SWAPPING OUT EITHER WATER HEATERS OR HVAC, AND OVER 70% OF THE HOMES EXPERIENCED BILL SAVINGS. 
          SO WE DO HAVE SOME EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE, AND THOSE, THESE ARE PRETTY EASY CAL CALCULATIONS TO MAKE. 
          UM, ONE OTHER THING WE ALWAYS HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT, UH, ANYTHING HAVING TO DO WITH THE CLIMATE AND CLEAN ENERGY TRANSITION IS WE TEND TO THINK ONLY ABOUT THE COSTS OF THE NEW THING, AND WE FORGET TO ANALYZE THE COST OF DOING NOTHING. 
          AND, BUT, UH, THE ESTIMATES ARE THAT THE GLOBAL ECONOMY, THIS IS FROM, UH, US FEDERAL AGENCIES, UH, THE US ECONOMY COULD SEE, UH, 10 TO 20%, UH, LOSS IN GDP IN THE NEXT 30 YEARS IF WE DO NOTHING. 
          AND IT'S HARD TO TRANSLATE THAT DOWN TO INDIVIDUAL CITIES, BUT, UH, WE'RE SEEING THE INCREASED COST OF DISASTER RESPONSES AND DISASTER IMPACTS. 
          SO WE KNOW THAT THE COST OF DOING NOTHING IS EXTREME. 
          UM, THE CHALLENGE IS FINDING SPECIFIC PLACES TO, UH, TO VET, UH, TO GRAB THOSE SAVINGS. 
          UM, LET'S SEE. 
          COMMISSIONER COFFEY MENTIONED THE RAND STUDY HERE IN LONG BEACH ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD GAS PIPELINE BEING COMMISSIONING. 
          UM, PTNE TERRITORY DID A SIMILAR ONE ON THE CAMPUS OF CAL STATE, UH, MONTEREY. 
          AND THEY, UH, THEY HAD A SIMILAR STUDY THERE AS WELL. 
          AND THEN FINALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, LESS ABOUT THIS SPECIFIC PRESENTATION, BUT THINGS THAT WE COULD, UH, THINK ABOUT IN THE NEXT UPDATE TO OUR CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. 
          WE'VE PUT A FAIR NUMBER OF OUR EGGS, UH, INTO THE ENERGY SUPPLY BA BASKET. 
          YOU KNOW, WE'RE, UH, COUNTING ON, UH, SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA EDISON TO DECARBONIZE THEIR GRID, AND THAT'S IMPORTANT AND WE NEED TO KEEP THAT PRESSURE ON. 
          BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE WITHIN OUR OWN AUTHORITY AND CONTROL. 
          AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO, TO MOVE, UH, MORE AGGRESSIVELY ON THINGS LIKE BUILDING CODES, THE ELECTRIFICATION REACH CODES THAT LAWRENCE TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT, AND OR BUILDING PERFORMANCE STANDARDS. 
          UM, VERY LOW HANGING FRUIT SHOULD BE ELIMINATING INCENTIVES FOR HOOKING UP GAS TO NEW BUILDINGS. 
          AND FOR NEW APPLIANCES, I JUST CHECKED LONG BEACH UTILITIES, AND WE CURRENTLY OFFER NINE DIFFERENT REBATES FOR GAS APPLIANCES, UH, TO CUSTOMERS. 
          UH, WHY ARE WE DOING THAT  THAT'S SHOOTING OURSELVES IN THE FOOT. 
          UH, SO THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE, UH, THINGS THAT WE CAN THINK ABOUT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, I ALWAYS LOST, YEAH, I HAD A, A QUESTION. 
          YOU MENTIONED, YOU TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE 2025 IN, UM, ENERGY CODES ADOPTED IN SEPTEMBER. 
          YOU MENTIONED THERE'S SOME STRONG WORDS TO ENCOURAGE, UM, THE, THE H LIKE BROKEN HVAC SYSTEMS. MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO I WAS JUST WONDERING WHAT DOES THAT LANGUAGE LOOK LIKE? I HAVEN'T SEEN THE, THE CODE ADOPTION AND, BECAUSE I'M WONDERING IF THAT GOES, IS IT, IF 
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THAT'S ENOUGH, YOU KNOW, JUST A STRONG WORDING. 
          UM, AND IF THERE'S, SO I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT THAT SOUNDS LIKE AND IF THERE'S KIND OF ANY OTHER INCENTIVES. 
          UM, YEAH, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD ONE. 
          AND I, LET'S SEE, UH, LIKE A LITTLE LEVEL DEEPER INTO THE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE OF THE COMMERCIAL ALTERATION REQUIREMENT. 
          UM, SO I DIDN'T LIST THE SECTION OF THE CODE HERE, BUT IT'S THAT LAST ROW, THE NON-RESIDENTIAL. 
          SO THE BUILDING CODE, IT'S VERY COMPLEX, UM, BUT IT BREAKS THINGS DOWN BY DIFFERENT BUILDING TYPES. 
          UM, IS THAT OCCUPANCY COLUMN. 
          AND THEN THE EVENT COLUMN IS ESSENTIALLY NEW CONSTRUCTION VERSUS EXISTING BUILDINGS. 
          UM, AND THERE'S DIFFERENT SORT OF CATEGORIES OF, UM, WHEN DOES THE CODE APPLY TO AN EXISTING BUILDING, RIGHT? AND, AND A TERM IN CODE SPEAK IS, IS ADDITIONS AND ALTERATIONS. 
          AND SO WHEN YOU, IN THIS CASE, IT WOULD BE AN ALTERATION OF, UM, THE HVAC SYSTEM FOR BIG COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS. 
          UM, AND SO IT'S JUST, AND, AND SO THE WAY THAT THE CODE IS STRUCTURED, IT IS JUST FOR COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, UM, AND IT'S JUST THOSE, UH, ROOFTOP PACKAGE UNITS UPON REPLACEMENT. 
          SO THIS SPECIFIC MEASURE THAT IS NOW IN CODE FOR ALL COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS IS, IS REALLY BIG. 
          IT'S, UM, IT'S GONNA HAVE A MATERIAL EFFECT ON, ON HOW MANY HEAT PUMPS ARE REPLACED INSTEAD OF GAS. 
          UM, AND NOW, IS IT, DOES THAT GET YOUR, THAT DOES, YEAH, THAT HELPS ANSWER IT, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I COULD POINT YOU TO THE, THE SPECIFIC PART OF THE CODE OR SOME OTHER BLOGS THAT KIND OF, UM, PULL THIS OUT IN MORE DETAIL AND KIND OF PUT THIS MEASURE IN CONTEXT WITH SOME SPECIFIC IMPACTS OF LIKE, X NUMBER OF GREENHOUSE GAS REDUCTIONS WE CAN EXPECT FROM THIS MEASURE. 
          OR I HAVE THE NUMBERS IN FRONT OF ME OF THE AMOUNT OF HEAT PUMPS, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT WE CAN EXPECT AS A RESULT OF THIS MEASURE. 
          BUT IT'S, IT'S A, IT IS A SIGNIFICANT, UM, A SIGNIFICANT STEP. 
          UM, AND IT'S THE FIRST TIME, UH, ANY STATE HAS TAKEN THIS STEP IN THE EXISTING BUILDING CODE. 
          UM, SO YEAH, THAT WAS KINDA MY QUESTION OF HOW, YEAH, HOW MUCH IMPACT WILL THIS HAVE? AND IT'S BIG. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, AND, AND JUST TO, TO DRAW ON THIS POINT FOR ONE MORE, UM, MOMENT, BECAUSE THIS, UM, REQUIREMENT IS SPECIFICALLY FOR COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, IT DOESN'T TOUCH HOMES OR RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS, BUT WHAT DOES, WHAT THE CEC DID IS THEY PUT SOME CODE LANGUAGE IN ANOTHER SECTION OF THE CODE CALLED CALGARY GREEN, WHICH IS PART 11 OF THE CODE, AND THEY WROTE IT DOWN AND IT'S OFFICIAL AND IT'S THERE AND IT'S ADOPTED, BUT IT'S NOT A MANDATORY SECTION. 
          WHAT IT DOES IS IT SETS UP THE OPPORTUNITY FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS LIKE LONG BEACH OR WHATEVER LOCAL GOVERNMENT IN CALIFORNIA TO, UM, GRAB THAT LANGUAGE AND ADOPT IT LOCALLY, SUCH THAT IF THE COUNCIL CHOSE TO MAKE THAT DECISION LOCALLY, IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE, UM, A REGULATION THAT WOULD NEED TO BE FOLLOWED. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE INSTEAD OF, OR IN ADDITION TO THE STATEWIDE REQUIREMENT FOR COMMERCIAL ROOF DOCUMENT, IT WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT FOR ALL RESIDENTIAL HOMES THAT HAVE CENTRAL AIR CONDITIONING ALREADY IN THEIR EXISTING BUILDINGS. 
          IF YOU WERE TO PULL A PERMIT WHEN THAT AC UNIT TURNS OUT AT THE END OF ITS LIFE, SAY YOU'VE HAD IT FOR 20 YEARS AND IT DOESN'T WORK ANYMORE, UM, YOU PULL A PERMIT TO, TO CHANGE, UM, YOUR AIR CONDITIONING OUT FOR A NEW ONE, THE REQUIREMENT WOULD BE THAT AIR CONDITIONING UNIT BE REPLACED WITH A HEAT PUMP THAT BOTH HEATS AND COOLS THE HOME INSTEAD OF JUST AN AC. 
          UM, AND THE REALLY GREAT THING ABOUT DOING IT AT THAT INTERVENTION POINT IS, UH, IF YOU ALREADY HAVE A CENTRAL AC SYSTEM IN THE HOME, YOU UM, ALREADY HAVE THE WIRING AND THE DUCTS AND EVERYTHING SET UP SO THAT A HEAT PUMP IS BASICALLY A PLUG AND PLAY SITUATION. 
          AND YOU WOULD THEN USE THAT APPLIANCE FOR THE COOLING NEEDS OF THE BUILDING, AS WELL AS SETTING IT UP SO THAT IT WOULD, UM, THAT IT WOULD ALSO SUPPLY THE HEATING NEED OF THE BUILDING IN THE WINTER. 
          AND IT WOULD OFFSET THE USE OF YOUR GAS FURNACE. 
          YOU WOULDN'T TAKE OUT THE GAS FURNACE, IT WOULDN'T BE REQUIRED TO REMOVE THE GAS FURNACE, BUT IF YOU'VE GOT A HEAT PUMP THAT'S SUPER EFFICIENT AND SUPER, LIKE BRAND NEW NICE, UH, TECHNOLOGY, UM, THE IDEA IS THAT YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD NOT USE YOUR, YOU KNOW, THE SYSTEM WOULD BE SET UP SUCH THAT IT WOULD USE THE HEAT PUMP FOR HEATING IN HOMES AS WELL. 
          SO THAT'S, UH, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR LONG BEACH TO ADOPT AS A REACH CODE. 
          UM, AND THE BENEFIT IS THE STATE ALREADY KIND OF HAS THE CODE ALL WRITTEN. 
          THEY'VE ALREADY DONE A LOT OF THE COST EFFECTIVENESS ANALYSIS FOR THAT. 
          UM, AND IT'S KIND OF LIKE A, LIKE A, UM, UH, A STRONG SIGNAL FROM THE STATE TO SAY, HERE YOU GO, LOCAL GOVERNMENTS IF YOU'D LIKE THIS, THIS CODE HERE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TO ADOPT LOCALLY. 
          SO THAT WAS A WHOLE, YOU GOT ME GOING. 
          NO, THAT'S GREAT. 
          THERE ONE QUESTION OVER HERE. 
          AND I LIKE EXPANDED TO ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          NO, THAT'S GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
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UM, OKAY. 
          I THINK SIMILARLY, LIKE IF THERE'S A HOUSEHOLD OR A COMMERCIAL, UM, BUILDING THAT JUST SAYS, I HAVE NO INTEREST IN DOING A HEAT PUMP. 
          I WANT TO KEEP DOING IT HOW I'VE DONE IT FOREVER. 
          THAT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN IN LONG BEACH, I'M SURE, BUT FOR MAYBE OTHER CITIES, LIKE ARE THERE FINES ASSOCIATED WITH IT? LIKE WOULD CODE ENFORCEMENT JUST SHUT THEM DOWN OR VICTIM? LIKE WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS THERE? YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S WRITTEN IN THE CODE, THE, THE FOLKS WHO ARE WORKING IN THIS, SO THE CONTRACTOR, AS THEY WORK WITH THE CITY, THEY JUST FOLLOW THE CITY'S PROCESS FOR, FOR GETTING A PERMIT. 
          AND IT WOULD BE, THEY WOULD GO TO THE, THE PERMIT COUNTER AND, AND IF LONG BEACH, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THIS HYPOTHETICAL AND CHOSEN TO ADOPT THIS REQUIREMENT, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD SEE, UM, LONG BEACH THAT THAT'S THE RULE ON THE BOOKS AND WHATEVER LOCAL ENFORCEMENT MECHANISMS THAT, UH, LONG BEACH HAS IN PLACE TO ENFORCE. 
          THAT IS WHAT IT, IT ESSENTIALLY WOULD BE, IT WOULD FOLLOW THE SAME RULES AS, AS ALL OTHER CODE ENFORCEMENT MECHANISMS. SO NOTHING LIKE ADDITIONAL FROM THE STATE WITH THIS SPECIFIC MEASURE. 
          IT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, BUILDING CODES ARE ALL ENFORCED LOCALLY ACROSS THE, THE STATE. 
          SO IT, IT, IT WOULD BE THE SAME ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM. 
          I CAN FOLLOW UP ON THAT A LITTLE BIT. 
          UM, SO IT WOULD ESSENTIALLY, IF YOU'RE GOING IN WITH YOUR, WITH YOUR, UM, ARCHITECT TO DESIGN SOMETHING AND YOU DESIGN SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT CONSISTENT WITH CODE, YOU WOULD NOT BE, YOU WOULDN'T PASS PLAN CHECK AND YOU WOULDN'T GET YOUR PERMIT. 
          AND THEN AT SUBSEQUENT TIME, LIKE LET'S SAY THE ARCHITECT DOES HAVE THAT IN THE PLANS, IF THERE WAS A FIELD WITH A FIELD CHANGE OR YOU MAKE A CHANGE IN THE FIELD AND DECIDE, I DON'T WANT DO THAT. 
          I WANNA DO SOMETHING ELSE. 
          THERE'S PERIODIC INSPECTIONS AND YOU WOULDN'T PASS INSPECTION. 
          UH, AND YOU WOULDN'T BE SORT OF ABLE TO FINISH THAT PROCESS WHERE YOU WOULD GET YOUR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. 
          UM, SO THERE, THERE ARE SOME PRETTY STRONG, UH, AND THESE ARE A SIMILAR PROCESS FOR EVERY LOCAL JURISDICTION. 
          PRETTY STRONG CHECKS AND BALANCES THERE TO ENSURE THAT WHAT IS DESIGNED IS CORRECT AND CONSISTENT WITH CODE. 
          AND THEN WHAT IS ACTUALLY INSTALLED IS, IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENT? I JUST, I WANTED TO ADD A COUPLE ADDITIONAL, UH, PIECES INFORMATION TO THIS ABOUT AS, AS MUCH AS YOU SHARED THAT THIS IS COMPLEX, THERE'S OTHER COMPLEXITIES, RIGHT? UM, SO, UH, PETE, TO YOUR COMMENT ABOUT THE REBATES FROM THE GAS DEPARTMENT, PART OF WHAT THEY SEE THOSE AS IS BEING AN ISSUE OF EQUITY. 
          SO IF YOU LIVE IN AN OLD BUILDING, YOU, UH, HAVE AN OLDER HOME AND THEY CAN INCENTIVIZE YOU TO SWITCH OUT TO THE MOST EFFICIENT UP TO DATE GAS APPLIANCE THAT IS BETTER THAN WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE. 
          UH, AND IT'S OFTEN THE EASIEST CHOICE BECAUSE EVERY, ALL OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS THERE, RIGHT? IT'S NOT ALIGNED NECESSARILY WITH SOME OF THE GOALS THINGS WE HAVE. 
          UH, BUT IT'S AN ASPECT TO CONSIDER. 
          THE OTHER PIECE OF THIS AS, UH, WE MIGHT MOVE TO WHATEVER THE NEXT KIND OF MODERN THOUGHT IS ABOUT, UH, ELECTRICITY GENERATION, ELECTRICITY USE IS THAT CURRENTLY OUR GAS DEPARTMENT, UM, IS, IS FOCUSED ON RATE, PAYER RATE, PAPER RATE, PAYER BENEFIT AND VALUE. 
          WE HAVE ONE OF THE LOWEST GAS RATES, UH, IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT, UH, TO OUR LONG UTILITIES DEPARTMENT AND TO MANY OF OUR RESIDENTS. 
          UM, AND THERE'S ALSO EMBEDDED IN THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE UTILITY DEPARTMENT AND THE CITY OF LONG BEACH, BECAUSE THEY ARE ONE OF OUR DEPARTMENTS A TRANSFER TO THE GENERAL FUND THAT FUNDS POLICE, FIRE PARTS, LIBRARIES. 
          AND SO, UH, IF THE 10, IF THE TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, AND IF WE WERE TO MOVE AWAY FROM USING, UH, GAS, WE WOULD NEED TO BACKFILL OUR GENERAL FUND WITH THAT SAME AMOUNT TO KEEP CURRENT SERVICES. 
          AND SO THERE'S, THERE'S THOSE ASPECTS TO THIS, AND THAT'S ALL PART OF FIGURING OUT HOW WE MOVE FROM WHERE WE ARE TODAY TO A DIFFERENT ENERGY FUTURE. 
          UM, AND IT'S A VERY SIMILAR CONVERSATION ON THE LOCAL AND STATE AND OTHER LEVELS LIKE WE, OUR CITY IS HAVING WITH, UM, UH, TIDELANDS AND OIL GENERATION AND OTHER THINGS. 
          IT APPLIES TO THE GAS, UH, THE WORLD OF GAS GENERATION AS WELL. 
          UM, SO NOT TO SAY THAT'S ALL OF THOSE THINGS, A REASON NOT TO DO SOMETHING OR JUST A CONTINUOUS STATUS QUO. 
          UM, BUT THAT'S PART OF THE UNTANGLING OF A LOT OF THIS AND FIGURING OUT WHERE WE GO FROM HERE. 
          UH, THE FINAL THING I'LL MENTION IS THAT, UM, OUR NEXT CYCLE, UH, ON THIS, ON THE STATE AND AND NATIONAL LEVEL OF CODE UPDATES IS ABOUT TO BE, UH, ABOUT TO BEGIN. 
          UM, SO WE, UH, STARTED TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS AT THE STAFF LEVEL WITH OUR, UM, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT AND THOSE IN OUR BUILDING BUREAU, UM, AND THE INTERNATIONAL CO-COUNSEL, UH, WHICH, UH, DELINEATES A LOT OF THESE OF PROCESSES OF CODES ACROSS THE COUNTRY. 
          THERE ARE CONFERENCES HERE IN LONG BEACH . 
          UM, SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS SORT OF HAPPENING IN THE SPACE TO GET THE FOLKS ON THE NATIONAL STATE LEVEL READY FOR THESE DISCUSSIONS BECAUSE THEY ROLL IN THREE YOUR CYCLES WITH THE UPDATE OF BUILDING THOSE. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT, 
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UH, AS WELL, UH, CHAIR BACK TO YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT, UM, COMMISSIONER MARSHALL, DO YOU WANNA TALK? YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING? UH, NO, I THINK, UH, I THINK WE'VE COVERED EVERYTHING. 
          UM, I HEAR, I MEAN, I MEAN, I SEE YOUR HAND, SO NO, NO, I'M, UH, THANK YOU. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          WELL, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. 
          IT WAS VERY, UM, EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTE, EASY TO DIGEST, AND THANK YOU FOR THE COMMISSION AND MARSH, AND OF COURSE, THE STAFF TO BRING IN THE PRESENTATION OUTSIDE OF THE, OF THE MEETING. 
          AND I ALWAYS THINK THAT THIS KIND OF PRESENTATION, WHEN WE HAVE PEOPLE OUTSIDE IT, IT IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE GET IN CONVERSATION TO UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER. 
          AND IT'S NOT THAT THE CITY DOESN'T WANT TO, IT'S A LOT OF STAFF SOMETIMES THAT WE FAIL WHEN WE ARE OUTSIDE AND WE DON'T SEE THE WHOLE PICTURE. 
          AND IT'S THE SAME AS YOU, RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU SEE SO MANY THINGS AT ONCE, AND THEY ARE SPECIFIC ON ONE THING THAT THEY GET VERY EXPERT. 
          SO I HOPE WE CAN HAVE MORE PRESENTATION. 
          I KNOW THAT IT'S GONNA BE HARD. 
          HAVING PRESENTATION FROM THE OUTSIDE IS ALWAYS, IT'S ALWAYS FOR ME EDUCATIONAL AND FOR THE ENTIRE GROUP. 
          SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UM, WELL, CLAIRE, PLEASE GO FOR THE VOTE. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER COFFEE? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER HER? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER RA? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER MARSH? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER TOCAL? YES. 
          VICE CHAIR GAINES? YES. 
          CHAIR GADEN? YES. 
          MOTION CARRIED. 
          OKAY, SO I GUESS THAT'S THE END, RIGHT? WE HAVE ONE MORE ITEM ON, OH, SORRY. 
          PLEASE READ THE NEXT ITEM. 
          YES. 
          UH, ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS A RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE ANNOUNCEMENTS AND RESOURCES FROM THE OFFICE OF CLIMATE ACTION AND SUSTAINABILITY. 
          SO, UM, CAN I GET A MOTION OF THIS ITEM? OKAY. 
          CAN I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. 
          WELL, OKAY. 
          SO IT HAS BEEN MOVED BY CHAIR  AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER. 
          WE CAN MOVE TO STAFF. 
          YEAH. 
          STAFF. 
          CAN YOU PLEASE? UM, IS THAT IN THIS REPORT OR, OR, YES, CHAIR. 
          I HAVE A REPORT FROM STAFF. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO, UH, AS OUR LAST ITEM, WE LIKE TO GIVE THE COMMISSION, UM, ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS SINCE THE LAST COMMISSION MEETING. 
          AND THEN, UH, WE, WE WILL GO THROUGH SOME ANNOUNCEMENTS, KIND OF A RECAP OF ANYTHING THAT'S HAPPENED SINCE YOUR LAST MEETING, AND THEN TALK ABOUT UPCOMING EVENTS, UH, ANY UPDATES THAT WE HAVE, AND THEN THE NEXT MEETING. 
          AND THEN AS REQUESTED BY THE COMMISSION IN THE PAST, WE'D LIKE TO END WITH RESOURCE FURTHER LEARNING IN CASE YOU OR ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WANTS TO LEARN MORE ABOUT RELATED TOPICS. 
          UH, SO I'LL PASS, UH, THIS OVER TO JASMINE FROM OUR DEPARTMENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HI, COMMISSIONER . 
          UH, SO, UH, FOR OUR THIRD YEAR, WE HAVE MORE CALIFORNIA CLINIC ACTION COURT FELLOWS. 
          UH, THEY'LL BE WITH US FOR 11 MONTHS, AND I BROUGHT THEM ALL HERE TO SAY HI . 
          UM, THIS, YEAH, THIS IS OUR THIRD COHORT. 
          WE HAVE FOUR OF 'EM. 
          UH, THEY JUST STARTED A FEW WEEKS AGO, AND THEY'LL BE WITH US UNTIL MID AUGUST. 
          UH, AND THIS WAS ALL OF 'EM. 
           PHOTOS? YES. 
          I READ THE NEXT ONE. 
          ALSO. 
          GO BACK AND FORTH. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, HI ALL COMMISSIONERS CHAIR. 
          UH, I'M JASON GALLUP. 
          I MANAGE THE TREE PLANTING PROGRAM WITH OUR OFFICE, UH, AMONG OTHER THINGS. 
          AND, UM, IF YOU KNOW ABOUT TREE PLANTING, YOU KNOW THAT IT'S OCTOBER AND WE'RE ALL EXCITED TO GET STARTED, THOUGH WEATHER'S FINALLY COOLED DOWN OUR LONG THREE MONTH HIATUS WHEN TREE PLANTING IS OVER. 
          AND SO WE KICKED OFF OUR SEASON WITH, UH, A TREE PLANTING EVENT ON SANTA FE AVENUE AND WEST LONG BEACH ON CALIFORNIA CLEAN AIR DAY, UH, WHERE WE HAD HELP WITH, FROM THE CONSERVATION CORPS, LONG BEACH TO PLANT 17 TREES. 
          THEY'VE GONE BACK AND PLANTED 18 MORE IN THAT STRETCH. 
          AND, UM, WE ALSO DID OUR FIRST COMMUNITY TREE PLANTING EVENT OF THE YEAR. 
          WE DO ONE A MONTH. 
          UM, SO THIS WAS IN THE WILMORE CITY NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          WE, UM, FOUND 32 SPOTS TO PLANT TREES, AND WE HAD, UH, HOW MANY VOLUNTEERS DID WE, 22. 
          22 VOLUNTEERS FROM THE COMMUNITY TO COME OUT AND HELP US PLANT LAST SATURDAY. 
          AND, UM, I GUESS I CAN JUST JUMP AHEAD A COUPLE SLIDES BECAUSE WE'VE GOT ANOTHER EVENT, UH, COMING UP IN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD, GIVEN THEM A LOT OF FOCUS, UM, BECAUSE WE HAD SOME HELP FROM THAT NEIGHBORHOOD 
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ASSOCIATION IDENTIFYING A LOT OF LOCATIONS FOR TREES. 
          SO, UH, WE'LL BE BACK, UH, ON NOVEMBER 16TH, PLANTING EVEN MORE, I THINK 35 NEXT TIME. 
          AND, UH, JUST A REMINDER THAT WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING TO FILL UP OUR CALENDAR FOR THE, THE NINE AND A HALF MONTHS OF THE PLANTING SEASON. 
          SO, UM, IF YOU KNOW SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO, TO VOLUNTEER THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD AS OUR NEXT SITE, JUST LET ME KNOW. 
          VOLUNTEER RIGHT HERE. 
           WEARING MY GREEN SWEATER. 
          I LIKE THIS ONE BECAUSE WHEN YOU WORK WITH MARETTE, THERE WERE SO MANY THAT YOU GET DO NOTHING. 
          YOU SEE SOMEBODY ELSE TO DO IT. 
          I LIKE THAT NOW, RIGHT? AMOUNT OF VOLUNTEER? I DON'T THINK SO. 
          IS IT OKAY, I HAD A QUESTION. 
          YES, YES, OF COURSE. 
          I PROPOSE VOLUNTEERS. 
          HOW MANY DO WE HAVE WHO HAVE VOLUNTEERED TO TEND THE TREES UNTIL THEY REACH MATURITY? GREAT QUESTION. 
          SO, UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN A REAL FOCUS OF OUR IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS. 
          AND, UH, YOU KNOW, UNLIKE I THINK THE HISTORY OF TREE PINE IN THE CITY, WE HAVE A WATERING PLANT FOR EVERY TREE THAT WE PUT IN THE GROUND. 
          SO THAT'S EITHER THE PERSON WHO LIVES IN THE HOUSE, UH, BEHIND IT OR OWNS THE BUSINESS NEXT DOOR SIGNS THE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT REFORM SAYING THAT I'M GONNA WATER AND ATTEND TO THE TREE AND CAN CALL YOU GUYS IF I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ISSUES. 
          OTHERWISE, WE HAVE OUR OWN IN-HOUSE WATERING CREW WHO'S GOT A LIST THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON, UM, EVERY WEEK TO GO ON WATER TREES. 
          AND WE'VE GOT A SEPARATE LIST THAT CONSERVATION CORPS OF LONG BEACH IS IN CHARGE OF WATERING. 
          SO EVERY TREE'S ON ONE OF THOSE THREE IN ONE OF THOSE TWO CATEGORIES, THAT IT'S GONNA BE WATERED AND TAKEN CARE OF FOR AT LEAST THE FIRST, UM, TWO, THREE YEARS OF THIS ESTABLISHMENT. 
          FANTASTIC ANSWER. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          . 
          BEST ANSWER, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S DIFFERENT WHEN YOU PLANT TO WHEN YOU PLAN HUNDRED, AND I'M GONNA MAKE A DIFFERENT ON THE THREE. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTION? OKAY. 
          OKAY, I'M BACK . 
          UH, SO WE HAD OUR ANNUAL RANCHOS WALK, UH, LAST MONTH. 
          UM, IT WAS A BIG HIT, A LOT OF SMILING FACES AS YOU SEE HERE. 
          UM, WE BROKE OUR RECORD WITH ALMOST A 50% INCREASE IN ATTENDANCE THIS YEAR, ACTUALLY. 
          SO WE HAD 580 PEOPLE PARTICIPATE IN THE WALK. 
          UH, EITHER THE THREE MILE, THE SIX MILE, OR THE FULL NINE MILE WALK FROM RANCHO TO RANCHO. 
          UH, LAST YEAR WE HAD, UH, JUST OVER 400. 
          SO, UM, YEAH, ALMOST 50% DEGREES, UH, FOR A TOTAL OF 3,600 MILES. 
          WALKED, UH, YEAH, EVERYBODY SWEATER. 
          AND YEAH, WE HAD A LOT FUN. 
          AND OTHER, THE OTHER UPCOMING EVENTS, , I'LL GO AHEAD AND TOUCH ON THOSE. 
          UM, WE HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD HALLOWEEN CARNIVAL. 
          THIS IS, UH, IN ASSOCIATION, IN PARTNERSHIP WITH, UH, THE PARKS DEPARTMENT. 
          IT'S GOING TO BE AT SILVERADO PARK. 
          UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF LIKE FAMILY SUNDAY, UM, ACTIVITIES. 
          UM, IT'S ON HALLOWEEN DAY, HALLOWEEN NIGHT, I GUESS. 
          UH, AND THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER RESTORATION FRIDAY COMING UP ON THE EIGHTH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN, UH, WE WANTED TO PROVIDE INFORMATION ON THE, THIS ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE PRIORITIES, TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE THAT WE CAME ACROSS. 
          SO THE INTERNATIONAL CITY COUNTY MANAGEMENT ASSOCIATION OFFERS THIS FREE TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM TO SUPPORT ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE NEEDS. 
          AND I THINK THIS REALLY ALIGNS WITH A LOT OF THE CAP WORK THAT WE DO IN TERMS OF EQUITY AND CLIMATE JUSTICE. 
          AND SO WE WANTED TO POINT THIS OUT, UM, AS AN OPPORTUNITY, AS A RESOURCE HERE. 
          SO, UM, WE, UH, CAN SEND OUT THE LINK WHEN WE SEND OUT, UH, BECAUSE I DON'T, I THINK I DID NOT LINK IT HERE, BUT I'LL SEND OUT THE LINK, UM, WHEN WE GET IT. 
          BUT THIS IS FUNDED THROUGH THE U-S-E-P-A AND THE US DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY, AND IT'S, UH, INCLUDES, YOU KNOW, SUPPORT FOR NAVIGATING THE, THE GRANT APPLICATION SYSTEMS GRANT PROPOSAL REVIEW AND EFFECTIVE GRANT MANAGEMENT. 
          UM, WHICH I'M SURE A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, UH, APPLYING AND MANAGING A GRANT IS DAUNTING FOR SOME ORGANIZATIONS OR SOME PEOPLE. 
          AND SO HAVING THAT TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE REALLY HELPS TO, UH, GET PEOPLE TO APPLY FOR FUNDING THAT CAN HELP WITH SOME OF THESE PROJECTS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN IT IS AVAILABLE TO, UH, COMMUNITIES, ORGANIZATIONS, TRIBES, AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO APPLY FOR. 
          SO YOU HAVE TO, THEY DID WE HAVE TO CALL YOU OR HOW IT WORKS? SO IT IS, UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE, WE FOUND, BUT WE'RE NOT INVOLVED IN IT. 
          BUT I, I THINK THAT THERE, UH, I'LL SEND THE LINK UP, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU APPLY FOR IN ORDER TO, UM, UH, YOU APPLY FOR AN ORDER TO, WELL, LET ME JUST CLOSE THIS BECAUSE I, UH, THERE WE GO. 
          TC TAC, SO THE TECH, UH, THRIVING COMMUNITIES TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE CENTER.ICMA.ORG, 
          [01:25:03]
TCTC ICMA.ORG. 
          SO ONE OF MY, UM, C COLLEAGUES HAS WORKED WITH THEM A FAIR BIT. 
          HELP IS HELPFUL, OF COURSE. 
          AND THEN, UH, WANT TO DO THE LOOK AHEAD. 
          SO, UM, WE SPOKE WITH OUR ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES BUREAU ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY WE DO WASTE IN OCTOBER WITH BUILDING THE ENERGY. 
          UM, AND WE TALKED WITH THEM, THEY ARE DOING THE ORGANICS ROLLOUT THAT'S HAPPENING THIS WEEK. 
          UM, AND IT JUST SEEMED LIKE IT WOULD BE, UH, BETTER WITH STAFF TO, TO MOVE THAT TO DECEMBER. 
          WE'LL HAVE A BIGGER PRESENTATION AVAILABLE THEN, PLUS, WITH THE REQUEST TO HAVE AN OUTSIDE PRESENTATION, WE THOUGHT LET'S FOCUS ON BUILDING THE ENERGY THAT'S NOT, SO WE, WE DISCUSSED IT WITH THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR AND HAVE MOVED THIS BASED ON LAST TIME. 
          SO IN DECEMBER, WE WILL DISCUSS TRANSPORTATION AND WASTE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN THE THREE OF THOSE TOPICS, THAT INCLUDES OUR THREE MITIGATION ITEMS IN THE CAP. 
          AND SO THAT WILL BE, UH, OUR DECEMBER MEETING. 
          AND THEN, UM, THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS VERY SIMILAR THAT WE HAVE EVERY YEAR. 
          SO WE'LL DO IN JANUARY THE YEAR END REVIEW AND THE COMMISSION RETREAT, AND THEN HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMISSION TO DO THE WORK PLAN FOR 2025 LATER, UM, AND DECIDE WHAT WHAT NEXT YEAR'S CALENDAR WILL LOOK LIKE. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE TWO RESOURCES HERE FROM, FROM EDISON INTERNATIONAL, WHICH, UM, IS A, I BELIEVE A PARENT COMPANY TO, UH, SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. 
          THAT CORRECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, AND SO THEY, THEY RELEASED THEIR PATHWAY 2045, AND THEN THEY'RE REACHING NET ZERO PLANS. 
          SO BOTH, UH, GOOD RESOURCES TO LOOK AT. 
          THE LINKS ARE HERE. 
          AND THEN A NEWS ARTICLE, I BELIEVE, UM, FROM THE PRESS TELEGRAM ABOUT THE PORT, UH, WIND TERMINAL PROJECT. 
          SO WE'LL HAVE THOSE LINKS. 
          YOU, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO CLICK IN FROM THE POWERPOINT ALREADY. 
          SO JUST SOME RESOURCES FOR YOU TO REVIEW THAT ARE, UH, RELATED TO BUILDING ENERGY FOR THIS MONTH'S TOPIC. 
          AND THAT, THAT IS IT. 
          SO IF THERE'S ANY, UH, I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN FIND THE WIND TERMINAL, MAYBE HAVE A PRESENTATION ON THAT, ON THE BOARD? YES. 
          I BELIEVE, UM, I BELIEVE WE HAVE SOME INFORMATION FROM THE COURT WHEN IT WAS FIRST ANNOUNCED. 
          UM, BUT LET ME, I DON'T KNOW IF, YEAH, YEAH, IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'D LIKE TO FORMALLY REQUEST. 
          LET ME, UM, WE COULD DEFINITELY TALK ABOUT IT. 
          YEAH. 
          I GONNA GO ON SATURDAY. 
          THEY HAVE THIS COMMITTEE, OR COMMITTEE, I DON'T KNOW, NOT COMMISSION SOMETHING. 
          DON'T GIVE THAT FOR OPEN TO THE, TO THE I I'M GONNA GO THERE AS WELL. 
          UM, AND THERE'S, IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A PRESENTATION, THE PORT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND WE MAY JUST, YOU KNOW, BRING IN LINKS TO THAT OR SUMMARIES. 
          THE, UH, IT'S, UH, SPONSORED BY THE PORT OF LONG BEACH, AND IT'S CALLED THE ZERO INITIATIVE ZERO WITH TWO E'S. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UH, ZERO EMISSIONS ENERGY SOMETHING. 
          UM, SO SATURDAY FROM NINE 30 TO NOON, THEY'RE PRESENTING A BRIEFING THAT WILL COVER MANY OF THE ELECTRIFICATION, UH, INITIATIVES AT THE PORT IN INCLUDING PIER WIND. 
          YES. 
          BUT, UM, MUCH BIGGER THAN PIER WIND. 
          PIER WIND IS PORT OF LONG BEACH, BEING FORTUNATE TO SUPPORT CONSTRUCTION OF NEW OFFSHORE WIND GENERATION. 
          BUT PORT OF LONG BEACH IS A NATIONAL AND GLOBAL LEADER IN ELECTRIFYING AND OPERATING WORK SUSTAINABLY AS WELL. 
          SO, UH, THAT'S EXCITING. 
          HAVE A PRESENTATION AND SEE HOW THEY GOING THERE. 
          UM, ANYWAYS, YOU FINISH? YES. 
          OKAY, GUYS, WE GONNA HAVE, UH, THE RANCH OCTOBER. 
          OH, IT HAS TO BE AFTER. 
          YEAH, THAT'S ANNOUNCEMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA FIRST MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN DISCUSSION. 
          OKAY. 
          VOTE ON THIS ONE. 
          AND THEN WE CAN MOVE TO ANNOUNCEMENTS AND NON AGENDA, PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          COULD I ASK A QUESTION? WHEN IS OUR DECEMBER MEETING? OH, DECEMBER 12TH. 
          THROUGH DECEMBER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BUT I ASKED. 
          OKAY. 
          THERE ANY, UM, AH, CLAIRE, COULD YOU PLEASE HELP FOR, UM, ANY COMMENTS FOR THE TOPIC? YES. 
          IF THERE'S ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM FOUR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND, SAY NONE. 
          THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEM FOUR. 
          IS THERE ANY COMMENT, UH, FOR THE COMMISSION? ? OKAY, THEN PLEASE CALL FOR WHAT? UH, COMMISSIONER. 
          COPY. 
          COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER HER? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER CORO? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER MARSH? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER AL? YES. 
          VICE CHAIR GAINES? YES. 
          CHAIR. 
          OH, YES. 
           NAME? CHAIR. 
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UH, MOTION. 
          TERRY. 
          OKAY. 
          NOW, NOW WE ARE OUT. 
          UM, SHOULD I, UM, WE CAN DO ADJOURN OR CAN WE DO THE PUBLIC? UH, WE WOULD NEED TO DO ACKNOWLEDGE OF PUBLIC CALL. 
          OKAY. 
          I TOLD YOU WE'RE GONNA HAVE SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER, NO, ONE DAY. 
          OCTOBER 27TH FROM TWO TO SEVEN. 
          I, YOU, I CAN EVERY ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NO PUBLIC COMMENTS. 
          PUBLIC COMMENTS? FIRST OPEN PUBLIC COMMENTS FIRST. 
          YEAH. 
          IF THERE ARE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE NON AGENDA, PUBLIC COMMENT, UM, PLEASE. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          WE'RE GONNA LEAVE, I GUESS. 
          NO, TOTALLY COMMENT. 
          CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH MOTION? REPEAT IT, DON'T WORRY. 
          OKAY. 
          CAN WE ADJOURN NOW BEFORE WE ADJOURN? I DO WANNA NOTE FOR THE RECORD, UH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER AND COMMISSIONER ELLIS WERE EXCUSED FROM THIS MEETING. 
          AND COMMISSIONER BERGON BERG WAS UNEXCUSED. 
          UH, SO IF THERE'S NO OBJECTION TO THAT, WE CAN ADJOURN THE MEETING. 
          OKAY. 
          5 42 MEETING IS ADJOURNED.
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