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FREEWAY.UM, BUT GOOD TO SEE ALL OF YOU.
UM, SO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER AT 2:04 PM UM, DO YOU EACH DO A ROLL CALL? YES.
UM, SO OUR FIRST AGENDA ITEM IS A RECOMMENDATION AND I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO DISCUSS THE IMPACT OF POLICIES DESCRIBED IN THE MEMORANDUM DATED AUGUST 12TH, 2024, TITLED CITY RESPONSE TO GRANTS PASS VERSUS DECISION NUMBER ONE.
UM, RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR THE POLICY SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING OF MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 9TH, 2024.
UM, ANY DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE.
UM, SECOND ITEM ON THE AGENDA, UH, AS PREVIOUSLY DESCRIBED, UM, THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION TO DISCUSS THE IMPACT OF POLICIES DESCRIBED IN THE MEMORANDUM DATED AUGUST 12TH, 2024, TITLED CITY RESPONSE TO GRANTS PASS VERSUS JOHNSON DECISION.
UM, IS THERE A MOTION? SO MOVED.
AND NOW, UM, ANY, ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? OKAY.
UM, WELL ACTUALLY IS THERE ANYTHING NEW OR IS IT STILL NOTHING NEW AT THIS POINT? OKAY, BECAUSE, WELL, HOW DID WE LEAVE THE LAST TIME? I'M SORRY, WHAT WERE WE TALKING ABOUT LAST? I THINK WE'RE WONDERING WHAT THE IMPACT OF THE POLICY WAS GOING TO BE AS FAR AS WHERE WOULD PEOPLE MOVE AS A RESULT OF KIND OF BEING, UM, ASKED TO LEAVE THE FOUR PARK AREAS.
AND SO WE WERE GOING TO KEEP AN EYE ON IT AS A COMMITTEE AND KIND OF ASK FOR INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT THE IMPACT OF THAT POLICY WAS.
UM, SO I, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT MAYBE AN ACTION THE COMMITTEE COULD TAKE IS TO, TO ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFORMATION ABOUT THAT.
UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF, IF STAFF HAVE ANY INSIGHTS OR ANY OBSERVATIONS.
I CAN GIVE A GENERAL OVERVIEW ON THE IMPACT AND LIKE, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE CONVERSATION EVEN GOING INTO THE MEMO AND WHAT'S REFLECTED WITHIN THE MEMO.
I KNOW THERE'S QUITE A BIT THERE, SO IT CAN BE HARD TO DIGEST, LIKE WHAT DOES THAT ACTUALLY MEAN WITHIN PRACTICE? LIKE SAYS THIS ON PAPER, BUT WHAT DOES THAT ACTUALLY LOOK LIKE? UM, SO OBVIOUSLY THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT CONCERN AS LIKE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DON'T DISAPPEAR, YOU SQUEEZE THE TUBE OF TOOTHPASTE, THE TOOTHPASTE GOES SOMEWHERE.
UM, SO YOU KNOW, PART OF TRYING TO HAVE A PROTRACTED ENGAGEMENT PERIOD IS TO ALLOW TIME TO TRY TO GET PEOPLE LINKED TO OTHER, UH, PLACES AND PROGRAMS AND GIVING ENOUGH TIME THAT WAY IT'S NOT JUST AN ABRUPT ACTION AND PEOPLE ARE SOMEWHERE THAT THEY WEREN'T PREVIOUSLY.
UM, GUM BINARY, THERE WASN'T A TON OF PEOPLE THERE.
UM, AND LIKE WE, THAT IS THE ONE LOCATION WHERE I HAVE LIKE NOT THE GREATEST SENSE OF LIKE WHERE EVERYBODY ENDED UP.
UH, THERE WERE SOME PEOPLE THAT WERE LIVING LIKE A STREET DOWN FOR A WHILE AND THEN THERE'S BEEN SOME MOVEMENT SINCE THEN.
UM, BUT THERE HAD BEEN ABOUT 10 TO 15 PEOPLE LIVING IN THAT PARK PRIOR TO, UH, THE FENCES GOING UP.
SO, UM, I WOULD SAY ON THAT ONE I HAVE LIKE THE LEAST GOOD SENSE OF LIKE WHERE PEOPLE WENT AND LIKE WHAT OCCURRED WITHIN THE PROCESS.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE A FEW PEOPLE THAT WENT TO SHELTER LEADING UP TO IT, BUT FROM WHAT I REMEMBER IT WAS LIKE TWO OUT OF 15 THAT WERE IN AND AROUND THAT AREA LEADING UP TO IT.
UM, DOWNTOWN I HAVE A MUCH BETTER SENSE SINCE WE HAVE THE VAGABOND THAT OPENED UP 60 SPACES, WE STILL SEE A FAIR AMOUNT OF PEOPLE IN THE DOWNTOWN.
THERE ARE STILL PEOPLE THAT YOU KNOW ARE UNDER THE BILLIE JEAN KING, YOU KNOW, OVERHANG.
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IN ON IS TRYING NOT TO HAVE PEOPLE SET UP LARGE TENT ENCAMPMENTS AND IN AROUND THE LIBRARY AND THE PARK, BUT WE STILL DO SEE PEOPLE COMING AND GOING FROM THAT SPACE.IT'S PROBABLY THE SPACE THAT WE SEE THE GREATEST AMOUNT OF MOVEMENT OF ANY OF THE FOUR LOCATIONS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED.
BUT, YOU KNOW, OUR ABILITY TO REALLY REDUCE THE ENCAMPMENTS THAT WAS THERE REALLY CAME DOWN TO HAVING THE BACK OF BOND WHERE WE WERE ABLE TO TO LINK PEOPLE TO.
SO THAT PROVIDED 60 ROOMS, UH, AND REALLY WAS HOW WE WERE ABLE TO TAKE THAT ACTION TO REDUCE THE TENS AND A LARGE LEVEL OF ENCAMPMENTS THERE.
UM, AND REALLY THE ONGOING EFFORT IS JUST IF SOMEBODY SETS UP A TENT, LIKE PD IS ACTUALLY RESPONDING PRETTY QUICKLY AND ASKING PEOPLE NOT TO SET UP TENTS WITHIN THAT PARK, UH, SPACE ANYMORE.
BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT STILL CONGREGATE AND EVEN SOME PEOPLE SLEEPING WITHOUT ATTACK BELOW.
UM, THE DE BONDINGS THAT ARE AT THE LIBRARY THERE, UH, VETERANS PARK, WE WERE ABLE, WE'VE BEEN ENGAGING FOR QUITE A WHILE AND YOU KNOW, TIMING WORKED OUT PRETTY WELL THAT THE COUNTY SAID WE HAVE 13 ROOMS AVAILABLE WITHIN, UH, PATHWAY HOME PROJECTS THAT HAVE OPENED UP.
YOU KNOW, THE DEAL HAS BEEN THAT HE WILL BACKFILL VACANT UNITS THAT ARE IN LONG BEACH THAT ARE A PART OF PATHWAY HOME.
UM, AND THAT ALIGNED PRETTY WELL WITH THE NUMBER OF, UH, TENTS THAT WERE WITHIN, UM, VETERANS PARK AT THAT TIME.
UH, WE STILL SEE PEOPLE COMING AND GOING A LITTLE BIT FROM THAT PARK AT THIS POINT, BUT REALLY HAVING 13 ROOMS REALLY HELPED WITH A SAYING THIS IS THE TIME THAT WE ARE GONNA GO LIVE.
AND IT'S ALIGNING TO THE MOVE OUT.
UM, AND PEOPLE MOVING INTO, THERE WERE THREE DIFFERENT MOTELS, UH, THAT HAD SOME ROOMS AVAILABLE THROUGH THE COUNTY HERE IN LONG BEACH.
SO, UH, PEOPLE WENT TO COLONIAL CORONADO OR RUBY, UH, MOTELS AND WE HAD 13 PEOPLE GO THERE.
WE ARE STILL WORKING ON JENNY RIVERA.
WE HAVE NOT TAKEN A FULL DIVIN OF ACTION.
THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF CLEANUP THAT IS GOING THERE.
UM, WE'RE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT LIKE ULTIMATELY WHAT TO DO AT JENNY RIVERA THAT ISN'T JUST, YOU KNOW, TELLING PEOPLE YOU SET UP A, A TENT LIKE WE'RE GONNA REMOVE OR WE'RE GONNA TAKE IT OR ULTIMATELY ARREST AND AND MOVE YOU LIKE THAT.
THERE ARE PROBABLY 20 ISH PEOPLE OFF AND ON THAT ARE LIVING IN JENNY RIVERA PARK AT THIS POINT.
SO WE ARE STILL ENGAGING QUITE A FEW OF THEM THROUGH THE MAC.
UH, WE'RE AT CHI FIELD ON WEDNESDAY MORNINGS.
AND WE HAVE SHOWER OF HOPE THAT'S WITH US AND THEY DO MOBILE SHOWERS THERE.
SO PEOPLE ARE COMING OVER AND STILL AND ENGAGING.
UM, IT IS ONE OF OUR TOUGHER LOCATIONS.
THERE ARE QUITE A FEW PEOPLE THERE THAT DON'T REALLY WANT TO TALK TO US WHEN WE GO OUT WITHIN OUTREACH.
UM, SO WE'RE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE THROUGH ULTIMATELY WHAT WE DO AROUND TRINITY RIVERA.
WE HAVE NOT QUITE IDENTIFIED ANY ADDITIONAL HOTSPOT LOCATIONS BEYOND THOSE INITIAL FOUR, BUT THAT WILL EVENTUALLY BE A THING IN A PROCESS.
UM, OUR NEXT FOCUS AREA THAT LIKE WE HAVE SOME PLANNING AROUND IS LA RIVER BED IF WE WERE TO RECEIVE ENCAMPMENT RESOLUTION ROUND THREE FUNDING.
SO, UM, AND THAT'S A MUCH LARGER, AGAIN, LIKE WE'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH VARIOUS PEOPLE AROUND LA RIVER BED AND SAN GABRIEL RIVER BED AND YOU KNOW, HOW WE BALANCE CLEANING ON IT WHILE ALSO REALIZING IT'S ALSO NOT A LOCATION WE WANT TO PUSH A BUNCH OF PEOPLE OFF OF BECAUSE YOU KNOW, AS WE LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, CITY PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE AND FACILITIES AND RESIDENTIAL, LIKE WHEN WE PUSH OFF THE RIVER BED, THE LIKELIHOOD IS THAT WE ARE GOING MORE INTO NEIGHBORHOODS, OTHER PARKS, OTHER WELL UTILIZED SPACE.
SO, YOU KNOW, OUR APPROACH WITH THE RIVERBEDS REALLY COMES DOWN TO THE NEED AND DESIRE FOR MORE RESOURCES THAT GIVE PEOPLE LIKE AN INCENTIVIZED PLACE THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY INTERESTED IN LEAVING THE RIVER PIT.
WE SHOULD HEAR ABOUT ENCAMPMENT RESOLUTION
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ROUND THREE HOPEFULLY WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO.WE HEARD ABOUT WINDOW TWO OF ROUND THREE ABOUT A MONTH AGO, AND WINDOW THREE CLOSED ABOUT TWO MONTHS AFTER WINDOW TWO.
SO WE SHOULD BE HEARING WITHIN LIKE THE NEXT MONTH OR SO, WHETHER WE'LL RECEIVE YOUR FUNDING OR NOT.
AND THAT WOULD BE, UH, ROUGHLY $11 MILLION THAT WOULD COME IN SPECIFICALLY FOCUSED ON LA RIVER BED.
WHAT QUESTIONS DO MEMBERS IN THE COMPANY HAVE ABOUT THAT? YOU MENTIONED NEW HOTSPOTS OR IS THERE ANY SENSE NEW HOTSPOTS ARE DEVELOPING? PEOPLE ARE JUST, I GUESS GETTING PUSHED AROUND, NOT NECESSARILY NEW HOTSPOTS BUT NEW LIKE PRIORITY FOCUS AREAS.
UM, THERE ARE A COUPLE THAT HAVE BEEN LIKE OFF AND ON FOR QUITE A WHILE.
LIKE BIXBY PARK IS KIND OF ONE OF THOSE ONES THAT HAVE JUST HAD SOME EBBS AND FLOWS DOWN BY AMIDO BEACH.
HAD SOME EBBS AND FLOWS RIGHT THERE AS WE TALK ABOUT LIKE PUBLIC SPACE.
UM, FOUNTAIN PARK IS A LITTLE LESS UP AND DOWN.
UM, THERE'S NOT AS MANY PEOPLE LIKE IN THAT AREA.
LIKE OUR RIVER BEDS ARE LIKE THE BIGGEST OTHER LIKE LARGE SPACE THAT WE SEE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF PEOPLE.
UM, THERE'S BEEN A FEW OTHER POCKET PARKS WHERE WE'VE SEEN LIKE MOMENTARILY LARGE ENCAMPMENTS BUT NOT CONSISTENT.
UM, YOU KNOW, REC PARK IS, IT'S A LITTLE MORE SPREAD OUT AT REC PARK WHEN WE'VE SEEN IT.
IT'S NOT LIKE A SINGULAR AREA OF REC PARK.
UM, SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE OTHER LIKE PUBLIC SPACES WHERE WE SEE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF PEOPLE.
AND THEN JUST ALONG THE BEACH WE SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE LIVING IN VEHICLES AND, AND IN POCKETS.
SO THERE HAS BEEN SOME CONVERSATION AROUND LIKE BEACH AREAS OF LIKE, ARE THERE AREAS DOWN BY THE BELMONT PIER, UH, NEXT TO THE SWIMMING POOL.
WE'VE SEEN SOME ENCAMPMENTS GROW AT TIMES AND KIND OF IT GOES UP AND DOWN AS WELL.
UM, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT JENNY RIVERA ARE, ARE YOU ALSO TALKING ABOUT UM, THE ACTIVITY NEAR NAACP FREEDOM PARK? MM-HMM.
LIKE THAT KIND OF ALL CONNECTS TOGETHER THROUGH THAT TRAILWAY.
SO, UM, I HAVEN'T BEEN THERE IN A COUPLE WEEKS, BUT TO ME I DON'T GO TO THE JENNY RIVERA PARK.
IT'S IF THAT PART SEEMS TAME COMPARED TO THE NAACP PART.
BUT UM, TO ME IT, IT, IT SEEMS INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE, WHICH IS A RESIDENTIAL AREA OF SIGNAL HILL.
SO, UM, I'M WONDERING, HAVE YOU HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH SIGNAL HILL? 'CAUSE THE IMPACT OF NAACP PARK AND PROBABLY JENNY RIVERA IS THE SIGNAL HILL RESIDENCE MORE I WOULD SAY THAN THE LONG BEACH RESIDENCE JUST BECAUSE THE WAY THEY ACCESS THAT PARK IS THROUGH THAT STREET LEWIS STREET, WHICH IS SIGNAL HILL.
WE'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH SIGNAL HILL AND THERE'S BEEN SOME EFFORTS TO TRY TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE SPACES WITHIN THAT PARK AND
UM, WE HEAR FROM BOTH NEIGHBORHOODS, LIKE I THINK WE PROBABLY ACTUALLY HEAR MORE FROM LIKE LONG BEACH SLIDE OVER OFF OF ORANGE RIGHT THERE THAN WE DO LIKE ST.
LOUIS, BUT WE'VE HEARD IT FROM AND HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH SIGNAL HALL AS WELL.
SO IT IMPACTS BOTH NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND THEN, UM, THE OTHER SIDE OF GRANTS OF THAT MEMO, UM, HAS TO DO WITH THE LAW ENFORCEMENT.
UM, WHAT HAS BEEN YOUR SENSE IN HOW THE POLICE DEPARTMENT STAFF HAVE BEEN, UM, FINDING CITATIONS OR, YEAH, SO, UM, WE'RE JUST KIND OF LOOKING AT THE DATA OVER THE LAST FOUR MONTHS TO GET LIKE A GOOD SENSE OF LIKE WHAT'S OCCURRED FROM JUST PRIOR TO WHERE WE'RE AT NOW.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE OTHER CITATIONS BEYOND JUST SLEEPING IN PUBLIC, SO LIKE THAT'S A LITTLE HARDER, BUT LIKE THE ONE THAT WE CAN CLEARLY SEE IS LIKE CITATION FOR SLEEPING IN PUBLIC SPACE.
UM, AND THE MUNICIPAL CODE AROUND THAT, WHICH I CAN'T REMEMBER THE,
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THE MUNICIPAL CODE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD FOR, UM, OUR SLEEPING IN PUBLIC SPACE THAT IS ON THE BOOKS.UM, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE BEEN SOMEWHAT ALSO TRACKING AND MONITORING AS THEY COME INTO THE CITY PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE AND LIKE MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE NOT SEEING LIKE A RAMP AND ALL OF A SUDDEN LIKE, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY'S NOW TICKETING SOMEBODY EVERY TIME THAT THEY SAW THEM.
UH, WE DID SEE A SMALL INSTANCE OF THAT WITHIN THE FIRST COUPLE WEEKS.
UM, LUCKILY WE WERE ABLE TO FLAG THAT PRETTY QUICKLY AND DID ASK THAT LIKE, SOMEBODY PLEASE SPEAK TO THIS OFFICER TO YOU
UM, SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE ABLE TO MONITOR THROUGH WHAT COMES INTO THE CITY PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE.
AND THEY'RE SPECIFICALLY ALSO LOOKING AS WE KIND OF LOOK AT STUFF FOR HOMELESS COURT AND DIVERSION TO MAKE SURE LIKE WE'RE NOT SEEING AN ABUSIVE PATTERN FROM ANY OFFICER WHERE LIKE THEY'RE SPECIFICALLY GOING OUT AND TRYING TO WRITE AS MANY TICKETS AROUND THIS AS THEY CAN.
I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY TICKETS FOR SLEEPING IN PUBLIC, BUT I HAVE SEEN TICKETS FOR, UM, OPEN CONTAINER DURING THE DAYTIME OF SOMEBODY WALKING.
I'VE SEEN TICKETS FOR, UM, EXPIRED PLATES.
I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW YOU COULD WRITE A CITATION FOR EXPIRED PLATES.
SO I DID SEE ONE AND THEN I'VE SEEN ONE FOR DEFECATING IN PUBLIC, SO I, YOU KNOW, I I I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ACTUALLY DO ONES FOR SLEEPING IN PUBLIC.
YEAH, THERE WERE SOME BUT NOT A WE'RE WE'RE STILL WAITING.
I HAVEN'T SEEN THE EXACT NUMBER OVER THE LAST FOUR MONTHS, BUT YOU KNOW, THE OTHER TICKETS SEEM TO STILL BE THE MORE PREVALENT ONES THAN LIKE A SLEEPING IN PUBLIC SPACE.
YEAH, THIS WAS REALLY HELPFUL AS FAR AS UNDERSTANDING WHAT ACTIONS HAVE BEEN TAKING AND HOW THINGS LOOK.
UM, YOU SAID THAT PEOPLE HAVEN'T REALLY BEEN CLEARED FROM JENNY AND RIVERA 'CAUSE SOME KIND OF SENSITIVITIES AND OUTREACH THERE.
HOW WAS IT DIFFERENT FROM UM, BIN LIKE HOW, HOW WAS THAT DECISION MADE? LIKE PEOPLE SHOULD BE CLEARED FROM HERE BUT NOT CLEARED FROM HERE? UM, I MEAN GUM BIN, THERE HAD BEEN SOME TALKS WITH PARKS AND MAINTENANCE.
SO IN BOTH OF THESE INCIDENTS THEY ARE A PARK.
SO, UM, THE CLEANING THAT DOES OCCUR WITHIN THOSE IS DONE BY, UH, PARKS, RECS AND MAKE, UH, MARINE, I DON'T KNOW WHY I SAID I WANTED TO SAY MAINTENANCE, BUT PARKS.
RECS AND MARINE IS A DEPARTMENT THAT OVERSEES THOSE.
THEY DO CLEANUPS, UM, OH WITHIN THE PARKS.
SO PUBLIC WORKS WILL DO ALL PUBLIC SPACE OUTSIDE OF UH, PARKS, RECS AND MARINES PROPERTY.
UM, SO THEY HAD IDENTIFIED AND THERE THERE'VE BEEN CONVERSATIONS LEADING INTO IT ABOUT UM, REDOING THE PARK, UH, SOME ONGOING MAINTENANCE.
THERE IS SOME OF THAT THAT IS NEEDED AT JENNY RIVERA AS WELL.
UM, I THINK WITHIN PRIORITIZATION AND IS SADLY LOOKING AT LIKE USE WITHIN THE PARK, UM, WE DON'T SEE QUITE AS MUCH WHERE GUMBY KIND OF HAS EBB AND FLOWED.
AT THE POINT THAT IT WAS CLOSED, WE WERE SEEING LESS PEOPLE USE IT IN THE AREA 'CAUSE HAD IT GOTTEN PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACTED WITH, UH, ENCAMPMENTS.
SO, UM, THAT WAS, THAT WAS PUT AS A PRIORITY BECAUSE THEY HAD TO MAKE FENCE PLAN THAT THEY WERE GONNA FENCE OFF THE PARK.
IT SHOULD BE OVER REOPENING EARLY NEXT MONTH IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
UM, SO WILL OPEN EARLY NEXT MONTH AND WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH JOHNNY RIVERA AND THERE IS SOME SERIOUS MAINTENANCE THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN WITHIN THAT PARK.
AND, BUT, BUT THE PEOPLE AREN'T EVEN REALLY ON THE PARK? NO, THEY'RE MORE WASH, YEAH, THEY'RE MORE ON THE ADJACENT WASHINGTON MORE THE PARK.
UM, BUT WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IS SOME OF THE, SO A LOT OF WHAT'S IN JENNY RIVERA'S CONTRACTED MAINTENANCE AND NOT PRM STAFF.
SO SOME OF THE CONTRACTED MAINTENANCE STAFF HAVE SAID THAT DUE TO ONGOING CHALLENGES THAT THEY'RE NEEDING ADDITIONAL SUPPORT TO EVEN DO WORK WITHIN THAT PARK.
UM, SO WE'RE STARTING TO SEE SOME ADDITIONAL NEEDS FOR OUR ARISE WITHIN JENNY RIVERA AROUND THAT.
BUT YEAH, THEY ARE LESS IN LIKE THE PARK AREA MORE
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UP ALONG THE WASH AREA.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? UM, SO I UNDERSTAND THE ENCAMPMENT RESOLUTION AND WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO DO FOR THE, UM, ENCAMPMENT AT THE RIVER, HOWEVER.
SO WHAT WOULD BE THERA STRATEGY IF, IF YOU WERE TO ENFORCE CLEARING OF VETERANS PARK, WHICH I THINK IS, THAT'S ALREADY NOT, BUT, UM, NAAC P PARK AND JENNY RIVERA PARK AND, AND I GUESS WHAT'S LEFT OVER OF THE LIBRARY BECAUSE TO ME IT JUST KEEPS GOING.
YEAH, I MEAN THAT'S OUR PART IS LIKE WHAT, WHAT WHAT WOULD YOU OFFER THESE PEOPLE FOR? HOW? YEAH, IT'S LESS, I MEAN SO GOING INTO IT WE'VE ASKED FOR LIKE OUTREACH IS THE ONES THAT KIND OF CONTROLS THE TIMEFRAME.
SO IT'S A WEEKLY CHECK IN WITH, YOU KNOW, PD WITH OUR PUBLIC WORKS TEAM WITH PARKS AND REC TO SAY HEY, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON IN VETERANS PARK.
I THINK WE SPENT CLOSE TO TWO MONTHS POST-RELEASE OF THAT MEMO BEFORE LIKE PATHWAY HOME KIND OF CAME ONTO THE TABLE.
SO, YOU KNOW, OUTREACH KEPT SAYING LIKE, HEY, WE'RE WORKING WITH PEOPLE LIKE WE NEED SOME MORE TIME.
LIKE THIS IS WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON, THIS IS WHO'S INTERESTED IN WHAT.
AND LIKE, YOU KNOW, LUCKILY WITHIN THE PROCESS WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO LIKE, YOU KNOW, BY TIME THAT BEING SAID, WHEN WE SAY THESE ARE OUR PRIORITY AREAS, IT DOES PUT ALSO PRESSURE ONTO THE CITY COUNCIL AND LIKE PEOPLE WITHIN THAT AREA CAN SOMETIMES EXPECT THAT THAT'S GONNA BE IMMEDIATE.
SO WE TRY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE UPFRONT TO GIVE THAT LANGUAGE OF LIKE, OUR GOAL IS TO GET PEOPLE TO PLACE US SO THAT IT IS A LONGER MORE IMPACTFUL RESOLUTION AND IT'S NOT JUST PUSHING PEOPLE TO ANOTHER AREA.
UM, SO IT'S REALLY ON OUTREACH TO KIND OF SET THE TIMEFRAME WITH PD AND PARKS AND REC AND LIKE AN ONGOING CONVERSATION.
AND THEN WE PROVIDE UPDATES THAT THE CITY MANAGER, UM, AND HIS OFFICE THROUGH ALVIN AND THERESA TO SAY HERE'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON, HERE'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT IN PROJECTED TIMEFRAME.
UM, AND THEN ONCE WE'VE TAKEN AN ACTION, LIKE THE MAINTENANCE IS REALLY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO UNFORTUNATELY ALWAYS GO OUT AND OFFER THE MOTEL ROOM.
LIKE THAT'S JUST NOT ON THE TABLE ACROSS THE BOARD.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY WE TRY UP FRONT TO DO THAT.
AND THAT WAY ONCE IT GOES FORWARD, IT'S REALLY SOMEBODY STARTS TO SET UP IN THE PARK PLUS GOING OUT AND SAYING, HEY, WE'RE GONNA ASK YOU NOT TO SET UP YOUR TENT WITHIN THIS PARK AND IF YOU CAN FIND SOMEWHERE ELSE, WE DON'T SAY WHERE SOMEWHERE ELSE IS.
UM, BUT IF SOMEBODY CONTINUES TO SET UP A PARK, THEN THAT'S THE POINT WHERE CITATIONS WOULD PUT ENSUE.
UM, OBVIOUSLY LIKE THAT'S NOT OUR, OUR PREFERENCE FROM THIS SIDE.
OUR PREFERENCE IS LIKE THAT THERE IS SOME SORT OF RESOLUTION BUT TO MAINTAIN THEM LIKE A FOCUS AREA AND NOT ALSO TO CREATE INCENTIVE FOR PEOPLE TO, ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN WANT TO GO TO THAT INCENTIVE AREA.
LIKE IF THE APPROACH WAS EVERY TIME SOMEBODY NEEDS TO SHOWED UP IN THE INCENTIVE AREA, WE OFFER A MOTEL.
YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT PEOPLE WOULD, WOULD CATCH ON PRETTY QUICKLY AND LIKE PEOPLE WOULD GO TO THAT PARK WITH THE HOPES OF GETTING A MOTEL.
SO, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE MOMENTS WHERE WE HAVE, AND ESPECIALLY IN DOWNTOWN WHERE WE HAVE ONGOING ENCAMPMENT RESOLUTION WHERE WE'LL LOOK AT OUR LIST AND IDENTIFY PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN IN THERE FOR A MOMENT AND IF A ROOM'S OPEN UP WE'LL PRIORITIZE OUT OF THAT.
BUT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO ACROSS THE BOARD.
SO IT REALLY IS THOSE CONVERSATIONS OF PLEASE DO NOT SET UP YOUR 10 WITHIN WITHIN THE SPACE.
SO I, I KNOW I THINK WE SAW IN THE DATA BEFORE THAT MAYBE THE WAIT FOR SHELTER IN GENERAL IS ABOUT FOUR TO SIX MONTHS IN THE CITY.
UM, ARE YOU SEEING THE PEOPLE THAT YOU ARE ABLE TO OFFER MOTEL ROOMS OR SHELTER TO AT THESE KIND OF TARGET PLACES? UM, DO THEY GENERALLY STAY IN THAT SHELTER FOR KIND OF MONTHS AND MONTHS OR? YEAH, I MEAN THAT IS THE REALITY OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING AS LONGER SHELTER STAYS AND YEAR OVER YEAR OUR LENGTH OF STAY IN TIME IS INCREASING AS HOUSING COSTS INCREASE AND THE HOUSING MARKET GETS A LITTLE BIT TOUGHER.
UM, WE ARE SEEING PEOPLE STAY FOR SIGNIFICANT PERIODS.
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UH, ONE THING THAT WE DID DO WITHIN THIS LAST ENCAMPMENT RESOLUTION ROUND WAS WE DID PRIORITIZE MORE PERMANENT HOUSING RESOURCES UP FRONT, UH, WITH SOME ADDITIONAL RAPID REHOUSING DOLLARS.THE FIRST ROUND OF ENCAMPMENT RESOLUTION, LIKE THE HVS KIND OF CAME IN A LITTLE BIT INTO THE PROGRAM.
SO, UM, WE HAVE OUR NEW TEAM WITHIN UH, THAT WE'RE JUST KIND OF GETTING IT UP AND GOING.
SO IT IS NEW, UM, THAT WE'LL BE DOING CAL LANE, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE SOME OTHER NON CAL DOLLARS THAT WE PUT INTO IT.
UH, SO THEY'RE WORKING A LITTLE BIT WITH PEOPLE AT THE VAGABOND AS WELL AS UH, SOME PEOPLE THAT WE ARE MOTEL VOUCHERING FROM FOUNTAIN STREET THAT HAVE VOUCHERS AND ARE IN THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO FIND A UNIT.
SO PROVIDING SOME ADDITIONAL RESOURCES AND SUPPORTS ON THE FRONT SIDE TO HOPEFULLY TRY TO SPEED UP THAT PROCESS FROM, YOU KNOW, LENGTH OF TIME IN WHILE WE WOULD TRY TO GET MORE SHELTERS.
LIKE THE BEST THING WE CAN DO TO INCREASE THE SHELTER CAPACITY IS MOVE PEOPLE THROUGH QUICKER ALONG WITH SOME ADDITIONAL BIDS.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? UM, THANK YOU, THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL TO GET THAT SNAPSHOT OF WHAT THE IMPACT OF THESE POLICIES HAVE BEEN.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THE SO MOTION.
SO SHOULD WE JUST SAY AYE AT THIS POINT AND OKAY.
A YOU DON'T NEED TO CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
SO THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION TO DISCUSS THE CLEAN SUITES PUBLIC WORKS PRESENTATION THAT WAS PRESENTED ON SEPTEMBER 4TH, 2024 AT THE HOMELESS SERVICES ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING.
IS THERE A MOTION TO MOVE? OH, THANK YOU.
ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS? AND JUST AS A REMINDER, LAST TIME WE WERE WONDERING, WE, WE HAD HEARD IN THE PRESENTATION THAT A LOT OF THE SAME SITES ARE KIND OF SWEPT REPEATEDLY THROUGHOUT THE YEAR AND IT'S KIND OF A RETURN TO THESE SAME LOCATIONS.
SO WE WONDERED IF THERE MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CUT DOWN ON THE NEED FOR REPEATED SWEEPS, UM, BY OFFERING MAYBE, YOU KNOW, TRASH BINS OR SANITATION OR STORAGE OR, OR SHOWERS.
SO THAT WAS KIND OF OUR LINE OF THOUGHT IS, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO MAYBE MOVE RESOURCES FROM REPEATED UM, CLEAN SWEEPS TO KIND OF UH, MORE UPSTREAM SOLUTION? YEAH, I MEAN FROM MY PERSPECTIVE PROVIDING REFUSE SERVICE LIKE MAKES A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE.
UM, SO THAT IS A RECOMMENDATION AND WE TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT WITHIN THE GRANTS PASS VERSUS JOHNSON MEMO.
BUT LIKE I THINK THAT IS AN AREA THAT LIKE IF THIS COMMITTEE WANTED TO SPEAK TO THEIR COUNCIL MEMBERS AND ENCOURAGE, LIKE WE WOULD ALSO BE SUPPORTIVE WITHIN, UM, OUR BUREAU AND THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AS LIKE A GOOD HEALTH PO PUBLIC HEALTH POLICY AS LIKE CUTTING DOWN TRASH AND REFUSE THAT BUILDS UP DOES REDUCE OTHER PUBLIC HEALTH CONCERNS THAT CAN ARISE FROM THAT.
SO THAT CLEANING ISN'T NEEDED AS OFTEN.
UH, YOU KNOW, UM, AS FAR AS SOME OF THE OTHER STUFF LIKE, YOU KNOW, TO OUR ACCESS AND STORAGE STORAGE LIKE RESTROOMS, YEAH, I MEAN THAT IS A LITTLE BIT TRICKIER.
WE ARE STILL HAVING SOME CONVERSATION AROUND LIKE SHOWER MOBILE SHOWERS AND TRYING TO EXPAND THAT.
WE HAVE OUR PARTNERSHIP ONE ONE DAY A WEEK.
WE'RE TRYING TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO EXPAND THAT AND TRY TO GET MULTIPLE DAYS A WEEK WHERE WE HAVE, UH, MOBILE SHOWERS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY AT DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.
UM, HOW MANY LOCATIONS ARE THOSE MOBILE SHOWERS GOING TO? JUST ONE HERE AND OKAY.
CURRENTLY, AND THAT'S WEDNESDAYS AT CHITTICK FIELD.
UM, SO WE ARE TRYING TO LOOK AT AND FIND WAYS TO EXPAND THAT, UM, WHERE POSSIBLE WITH DRAINAGE INTO THE SEWER SYSTEM, THAT IS A MAJOR, UM, COST EFFECTIVE THING WITHIN THAT, OTHERWISE IT STARTS TO GET REAL EXPENSIVE REAL QUICK.
UM, SO PREVIOUSLY WE'D HAD AT IN MACARTHUR PARK WITH CONSTRUCTION, THEN WE MOVED IT TO CHI FIELD.
BUT LOOKING AT OTHER LOCATIONS THAT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE ONE, TRYING TO GET IN SOME ADDITIONAL RESOURCE TO DO SO.
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AND THEN, UM, THERE ARE, WHAT'S THE OTHER PIECE OF IT? UM, PUBLIC RESTROOMS. PUBLIC RESTROOMS IS A LITTLE BIT TRICKIER.LIKE THAT IS ONE THING THAT, YOU KNOW, WILL TAKE A BIT OF RESOURCE AND ADVOCACY.
SO, UM, I THINK IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
LIKE IF YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE DEFECATING IN PUBLIC, YOU GOTTA HAVE SOME SORT OF OPTION.
LIKE, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY PROBABLY REMEMBERS AT ONE POINT THAT HAD A KID READING THEM.
THE EVERYONE POOPS BOOK LIKE THAT IS JUST A NATURAL FACT OF LIFE.
SO IF WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE, UM, USING THE BATHROOM IN PUBLIC SPACE, LIKE WE'VE GOTTA OFFER LIKE ACCESS TO RESTROOMS. I THINK THE CHALLENGING PART IS LIKE ALSO HOW MANY RESTROOMS ARE MADE AVAILABLE WHERE AT, UM, AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE AVAILABLE IN THE EVENING TIME.
THAT IS LIKE A REALITY IS SOMEBODY'S PROBABLY NOT GONNA WALK A MILE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT TO GET A TO A RESTROOM.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE WE LOCATING RESTROOMS, UM, AND WHAT IS THE COST OF OF DOING SO LIKE THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL MAINTENANCE AND MAINTENANCE NEEDS THAT COME AROUND THAT.
UM, SO AGAIN, ANOTHER THING THAT IS SOMETHING THAT TALKING TO YOUR COUNSEL OFFICE THAT YOU REPRESENT, UM, WOULD GO A LONG WAY 'CAUSE THIS, BOTH OF BOTH.
I THINK ON THE CLEANUP SIDE YOU CAN MAKE A A ARGUMENT AROUND COST SAVINGS THAT CAN BE CREATED FROM THAT.
UM, THE PUBLIC RESTROOM SIDE, YOU PROBABLY ALSO MAKE SOME LEVEL OF, YOU KNOW, COST SAVING KNOW COST SHIFTING.
YOU'RE STILL HAVING TO PICK UP THAT.
UM, BUT THE COST MIGHT END UP BEING PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL AS FAR AS LIKE ADDITIONAL MAINTENANCE TO GET A GOOD NUMBER OF RESTROOMS AVAILABLE 24 HOURS A DAY.
AND LIKE HOW ARE THOSE MONITORED TO ENSURE THAT BAD ACTIVITIES ARE ALSO NOT OCCURRING IN THOSE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT AND THAT THEY ARE STILL USABLE BY EVERYONE.
SO, UM, THOSE ARE SOME THINGS TO THINK THROUGH.
UH, THE ONES THAT EXIST WITHIN LA ARE IN SKID ROW AND THEY ARE STAFFED 24 7.
UM, YOU HAVE A LOT OF DENSITY THERE.
THEY ARE WELL UTILIZED, YOU KNOW, WHAT COULD CREATING SOMETHING SIMILAR LOOK LIKE HERE LOCALLY AND LIKE DO YOU NEED STAFF THERE THAT ARE THERE 24 HOURS A DAY IF YOU'RE LEAVING THEM OPEN 24 HOURS A DAY? PROBABLY YES.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S GONNA COME WITH SOME COSTS.
SO LIKE I, I THINK THAT'S THE CONVERSATION THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN TO, TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
AS FAR AS STORAGE OF PERSONAL BELONGINGS, THAT WAS THE OTHER ONE.
MM-HMM
THE OTHER SIDE WILL BE THE STORAGE SIDE.
UM, THAT SHOULD OPEN SPRING OF NEXT YEAR.
SO THAT'LL BE 80, 80 STORAGE UNITS THAT WE HAVE WITHIN THAT SPACE.
SO IT'S NOT MASSIVE, BUT IT'S SOMETHING.
UM, SO AS WE GET CLOSER TO THAT, WE'LL PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION AND HOW IT'S GONNA WORK AND THE HOURS OF OPERATION AND UH, ULTIMATELY HOW SOMEBODY CAN GET A UNIT WITHIN IT.
UH, FOR OUR ENCAMPMENT RESOLUTION ROUND THREE WITH THE RIVERBED, WE KNOW THE RIVERBED, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WITH A LOT OF STUFF.
UM, NOT EVERYBODY BUT THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE A LOT OF STUFF.
IT'S MORE THAN WE ARE GONNA BE ABLE TO PUT AT LIKE OUR STORAGE PROGRAM.
UH, ONE THING THAT WE DID INCORPORATE WITHIN OUR PROPOSAL FOR THE RIVERBED WAS FUNDING TO GO AND RENT STORAGE UNITS.
UM, THAT WAY SOMEBODY'S NOT LOOKING AT IT AS LIKE, I'M GONNA HAVE TO GET RID OF HALF MY STUFF TO TAKE A MOTEL ROOM WITHIN THE PROGRAM, BUT THAT WE COULD HELP IN PAYING FOR A STORAGE UNIT FOR, FOR THEM WHILE ON THE PROGRAM.
SO THIS IS NEW TO ME, THIS FUNCTION AND THE PRESENTATION, MY SENSE OF THE PRESENTATION WAS IT GAVE ME THE IMPRESSION THAT THEY'RE DOING A GOOD JOB, THAT THEY'RE EFFICIENT, THEY DON'T HAVE BACKLOGS AND THEY'RE MEETING THE COMMUNITY'S
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NEED.IS THAT, IS THAT THE WAY IT IS? IS THAT THE FEELING OF, I MEAN MAYBE THAT'S NOT A FAIR QUESTION FOR YOU.
I GUESS IT'S, YEAH, I, I'M NOT THE ONE THAT GETS LIKE COMPLAINTS ABOUT, I MEAN, WELL I CAN, WE GET COMPLAINTS THAT COME IN AROUND LIKE ENCAMPMENTS, BUT I'M NOT NECESSARILY THE ONE THAT GETS COMPLAINTS ON MY STREET, DOESN'T FEEL CLEAN OR, I MEAN, I WILL SAY FROM LIKE IS IT BEING HEARD, MAYBE NOT YOU, BUT THE DEPARTMENT AND YOUR GROUP, IS THAT AN AREA THAT PEOPLE FEEL IS BEING MANAGED FAIRLY WELL? I MEAN, I DON'T SEE, THERE ARE SOME AREAS LIKE THE LA RIVER BED I THINK IS ONE WHERE WE SEE TRASH PILE UP AT A LARGER LIKE SCALE THAN SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS.
BUT WITHIN LIKE THE MAIN CITY AREAS, LIKE YOU MAY SEE A LOT OF STUFF, BUT WE DON'T SEE LIKE LARGE PILES OF TRASH BUILD UP AROUND ENCAMPMENTS BECAUSE THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT EFFORT TO LIKE DO REGULAR CLEANING AGAIN.
COULD IT BE DONE IN A DIFFERENT WAY? IS THAT'S MORE EFFICIENT? ALWAYS COULD BE.
I THINK THAT'S LIKE THE CONVERSATION AROUND LIKE, YOU KNOW, TRASH SERVICE THAT'S NOT ASSOCIATED WITH CLEANUP.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T SEE PLACES THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
I DON'T SEE THE FULL CITY AT ALL TIMES, BUT RARELY DO I SEE SOMEWHERE WHERE THERE'S A LARGE BUILDUP OF TRASH THAT SITS THERE FOR THREE, FOUR WEEKS AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S PLACES OF LA CITY WHERE YOU CAN SEE THAT DOES OCCUR.
JULIE? YEAH, I THINK THE CLEAN TEAM, THEY DO AN EFF EFFICIENT JOB OF CLEANING THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY DEFINITELY ACHIEVE THEIR GOAL, GOAL OF CLEANING AND THEY DO IT WITH VERY, UM, FIRM REGULARITY.
LUKE'S THEY COME ONCE OR TWICE A WEEK WHENEVER THEY COME AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK IF NOT MORE THAN ONCE A WEEK.
AND THEN THERE'S, IN ADDITION TO THE CLEANING, THERE'S REGULAR TRASH PICKUP, UM, OF SOME OF THESE AREAS.
SO, UM, I THINK THE GOAL OF CLEANING IS ACHIEVED.
UM, YOU KNOW, SARAH AND I, WE DID OUR DOG AND PONY FOR OUR POLICY MEMO AND UM, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT RESTROOMS AND TO ME, AS YOU SAY, EVERYONE POOPS, RIGHT? THAT IS, UH, A HUMANITY, A HUMANITY THING TO ME.
UM, NOT HAVING ACCESS TO A RESTROOM 24 7, I CAN'T IMAGINE LIVING LIKE THAT, BUT YET I TALK TO PEOPLE ALMOST EVERY DAY WHO DO LIVE WITH NOT WITH VERY LIMITED ACCESS TO RESTROOMS AND THEY MANAGE.
AND AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, I DO REGULAR WEEKLY TRASH PICKUP AROUND ST.
LUKE'S AND I HAVE PICKED UP A LOT OF HUMAN CHRISTIANS, UM, EVERY WEEK AND IT'S DISGUSTING.
AND, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, HOW CAN I GET MAD AT THEM WHEN THERE ISN'T ANYWHERE ELSE FOR THEM TO GO? SO I'M WONDERING AND TRYING TO ADDRESS THIS PROBLEM, IF WE COULD, UM, BEGIN TALKING TO OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS ABOUT, UM, MAYBE ACCESSING OUR MAYOR'S FUND TO, AND I'M JUST THROWING THIS OUT THERE, YOU ALL CAN HAVE ANOTHER SUGGESTION, BUT HAVING, UM, SECURITY PAID FOR 24 7 OR NOT DURING THE DAY WHEN IT'S ALREADY PAID FOR, BUT DURING THE DAYS WHEN ALL OTHER FACILITIES ARE CLOSED, IF WE COULD HAVE, UM, SOMEBODY AT CITY HALL GIVING ACCESS TO RESTROOMS OR ANOTHER BUILDING SOMEWHERE DOWNTOWN WHERE WE KNOW THERE'S A HIGH CONCENTRATION OF PEOPLE LIVING OUTDOORS WHO REGULARLY GO TO THE BATHROOM OUTDOORS.
UM, IF WE CAN PAY, I KNOW, UM, COA HAS A RESTROOM AND IF WE PAID FOR THE SECURITY, THEY WOULD BE HAPPY TO OPEN IT UP.
BUT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD HAS SERIOUS ISSUES WITH THAT.
SO I DON'T WANNA PUT THAT OUT THERE BECAUSE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS REALLY NOT HAPPY WITH COA AND HI AND THEIR, UH, SERVICES THERE.
SO, AND I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE FAIR TO TO DO IT THERE, BUT THERE, THERE ARE PLENTY OF BUILDINGS THAT MAYBE WE COULD DO THIS PILOT HUMANITY PROJECT OF PROVIDING RESTROOMS. UM, LIKE YOU SAID, THE REFRESH CENTER AT DOWNTOWN LA IT'S OPEN 24 7, YOU CAN GET A SHOWER, YOU CAN GO TO THE BATHROOM, YOU CAN GET YOUR LAUNDRY DONE, YOU CAN, YOU CAN SIT DOWN 24 7.
YES IT NEEDS TO GET ROW, BUT THAT'S
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WHERE THE NEED IS.UM, AND I KNOW PEOPLE HERE IN LONG BEACH WHO END UP AT THE REFRESH CENTER BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT IT'S ALWAYS
UM, SO I'M WONDERING IF THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE COULD DO IS IS SINCE NOBODY JUMPED ON THE TABLE SLEEP IDEA, IF WE COULD TAKE A BABY STEP AND, AND AT LEAST ADDRESS THE NEED FOR PUBLIC RESTROOMS 24 7 SOMEWHERE AS A PILOT.
AND THEN I WAS GOING TO SAY, UM, ADDING ON TO THAT, SO PAUL YOU HAD SAID THIS WAS MAYBE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR ADVOCACY.
ONE THING THAT WE BROUGHT UP AT OUR LAST POLICY COMMITTEE MEETING IS IT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL TO HAVE A BREAKDOWN OF HOW MUCH IT COSTS TO WHEN, WHEN WE HAD THAT PRESENTATION IT WAS KIND OF LIKE WE'RE GOING TO THE SAME SITES TWO TO THREE TIMES A MONTH AND WE'RE MOVING PEOPLE TO THE SIDE, WE'RE CLEANING THE SIDEWALK, WE'RE THROWING SOME THINGS OUT AND THEN THEY'RE MOVING BACK AND YOU KNOW, THE THOUGHT THERE IS OBVIOUSLY LIKE, OH WE COULD USE THAT MONEY TO HAVE JUST CLEANER GENERAL CONDITIONS FOR PEOPLE OR BETTER GENERAL CONDITIONS.
SO IT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL TO KNOW HOW MUCH IT COSTS TO DO THAT.
SO WE COULD THEN SAY, WELL YOU KNOW, IF WE TOOK THESE MORE MAYBE HUMANE MEASURES OR KIND OF UPSTREAM MEASURES, THIS IS HOW MUCH MONEY WE BE SAVED BECAUSE I THINK ELECTED OFFICIALS LIKE TO SEE THAT.
SO IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILED INFORMATION ABOUT THE COST OF APPROACHING IT THAT WAY? SARAH, TO ADD ON THAT, UM, WE DID ASK JOSE FROM PUBLIC WORKS TO UH, ANSWER A FEW QUESTIONS.
UH, THE FIRST ONE WAS BASED ON THE PRESENTATION YOU PROVIDED FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2324, UH, 3,433 TOTAL ENCAMPMENTS CLEAN, WHAT IS THE COST PER ENCAMPMENT CLEANUP? HIS RESPONSE WAS, WE DO NOT HAVE A COST PER ENCAMPMENT CLEANUP AT THE MOMENT.
UM, ARE YOU ABLE, THE SECOND QUESTION WAS ARE YOU ABLE TO PROVIDE A HEAT MAP OF ENCAMPMENT LOCATIONS? UH, HIS RESPONSE WAS, WE DO NOT HAVE A HEAT MAP.
WE DISPERSE OUR RESOURCES EVENLY THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
AND THEN THE THIRD QUESTION WAS, ARE YOU ABLE TO PROVIDE A COPY OF THE PW BUDGET FOR ENCAMPMENT CLEANUPS? UM, AND HIS RESPONSE WAS, WE DO NOT HAVE A SET BUDGET FOR ENCAMPMENT CLEANUPS.
I HAVE A CLEAN TEAM BUDGET THAT ENCOMPASSES EVERYTHING WE DO IN THE CLEAN TEAM.
I'LL ASK FOR THE ACTUAL BUDGET.
YEAH, IT'S CLEAN TEAM, BUT THE CLEAN TEAM DOESN'T JUST CLEAN UP ENCAMPMENTS AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY BREAK IT DOWN PER ENCAMPMENT.
'CAUSE IF THERE'S A LEGAL DUMPING, SO IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD NORTH LONG BEACH, WE ACTUALLY SEE A LOT OF LEGAL DUMPING RIGHT NEXT TO, UM, THE PARK CLEAN TEAM COMES AND FIX THAT UP FAIRLY QUICKLY.
SO I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT THEIR BREAKDOWN IS.
BUT THERE WAS A QUESTION ASKED AND WE CAN YEAH.
A HOW MUCH IS THE BUDGET FOR ONE CLEAN TEAM? I WILL SAY BASED ON PRIOR CONVERSATIONS, THAT'S ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR FOR CLEAN TEAM.
I MEAN THAT OBVIOUSLY INCLUDES LIKE THE FEE FOR DISPOSING OF ALL THE STUFF THAT THEY PICK UP ALONG WITH LIKE EQUIPMENT AND THE OTHER STUFF THAT COMES WITH THAT TEAM.
SO, UM, BUT I CAN GET YOU AN ACTUAL NUMBER.
AND IT'S ALSO THE, UM, POLICE OFFICERS WHO ACCOMPANY UM, THEM ON EACH EXCURSION.
AND YOU KNOW THIS, I HAVE, YOU KNOW, AN INTEREST IN THE RESTROOM QUESTION, BUT IS THERE A WAY TO GATHER INFORMATION TO KNOW WHERE YOU MIGHT DO THAT? I MEAN, YEAH, I MEAN WE, THERE'S CERTAIN ACCESS ALREADY TO RESTROOMS AND THERE'S POPULATIONS AND THERE'S PUBLIC DEFECATION AND URINATION.
HOW WOULD YOU KNOW WHERE TO PILOT OR WHERE TO START? IS IT, I THINK WE WOULD MOSTLY GO OFF OF LIKE DENSITY OF PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS IN AN AREA.
LIKE YOU'RE GONNA PICK AN AREA, I I'M GONNA PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE AND JUST THINK OF LIKE COMMUNITY RESPONSE AND LIKE, HEY, IF YOU PUT THIS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, DOES IT DRAW MORE PEOPLE THAT STAY WITHIN THIS AREA? 'CAUSE THERE IS NOW ACCESS.
NOT TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T EXPLORE IT, BUT LIKE THAT'S A, THAT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT OF THE CHALLENGE THAT COMES TO MIND IS PEOPLE'S WORST CASE SCENARIO VERSUS LIKE, HEY, IF WE HAD SOMEWHERE, IF WE HAD ONE LOCATION IN EACH COUNCIL DISTRICT, THAT BEING SAID, THAT GETS MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE.
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THAT IT EXISTS WITHIN LA IS IN THE SKID ROW AREA.JUST 'CAUSE THERE IS SUCH DENSITY AND LIKE UNDERSTANDING THAT LIKE THAT IS A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE GO, UM, WHERE THERE'S NOT LIKE ANOTHER SPOT IN LA COUNTY THAT IS DOING SOMETHING SIMILAR.
UM, WOULD
SO IF YOU'RE GONNA DO IT SOMEWHERE LIKE DOWNTOWN IS IS THE MOST LOGICAL PLACE.
UM, SO, BUT I'M JUST TELLING YOU LIKE WHAT I ANTICIPATE IS SOME OF THE RESPONSE AROUND THE IDEA OF A SINGULAR LOCATION VERSUS ACCESS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
WELL IT'D BE A PILOT YOU AND IT COULD BE GOOD THINGS THAT RESULT FROM PROVIDING LIKE LESS DEFECATION ON THE SIDEWALKS CAMPAIGNS.
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS? ALRIGHT, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
UM, THE NEXT ITEM IS A RECOMMENDATION TO DISCUSS THE POTENTIAL VISITS OF 1955 LONG BEACH BOULEVARD TO GAIN FURTHER INSIGHT INTO THE SERVICES OFFERED AT MH ALA'S INTEGRATED SERVICE.
I JUST REALIZED THAT JULIE, I KNOW IT'S LIKE HOW DID THIS HAPPEN? OKAY.
SO JUST AS AER SAYS, I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING AS A REFRESHER AT OUR LAST, UM, MEETING, THERE WAS THIS DISCUSSION BECAUSE OF THE CITY AUDITOR'S REPORT THAT SAID UNDER THAT PIECE, UM, THE SERVICES, YOU KNOW, THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO HAVE OFFERED AS THE CITY HAD NOT YET BEEN, UM, OFFERED.
AND THEN IN OUR MEETING WITH SULI JUST KIND OF BRIEFING CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS ON OUR POLICY MEMO, HER STAFF HAD SAID, HEY, WE'VE ACTUALLY SPOKEN WITH 'EM.
YOU SHOULD GO TAKE A TOUR AND SEE WHAT SERVICES YOU HAVE, UM, FOR YOURSELF.
SO WE FOLLOWED BACK UP AND SAID, CAN OUR POLICY COMMITTEE, YOU KNOW, GO AND DO THIS? UM, AND THEN WE HEARD FROM THE COUNCIL MEMBER'S OFFICE THAT THEY'RE KIND OF NOT IN COMMUNICATION WITH M-H-A-L-A ANYMORE AND WE SHOULD REACH OUT DIRECTLY 'CAUSE THAT COMMUNICATION HAS STOPPED.
UM, AND THEN WE WERE TOLD TO REACH OUT TO THE PRESIDENT OF M-H-A-L-A DID NOT HEAR BACK THERE.
UM, AND I DID JUST REACH OUT TO THEIR, THEIR CONTACT NUMBER AND SAY, HEY, WHAT, WHAT SERVICES DO YOU OFFER AT THIS LOCATION? I WAS TOLD THAT, YOU KNOW, I COULD, I COULD CALL FOR A LONGER CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT.
BUT ARE THERE ANY UPDATES FROM STAFF ABOUT THAT? I MEAN, WE NO LONGER FUND THEM AS AN ACCESS CENTER AT THIS POINT.
SO, UM, THAT IS, YOU KNOW, THAT IS A ONGOING CONVERSATION AND PEOPLE HAVE MANY DIFFERENT FEELINGS AND THOUGHTS ABOUT IT.
BUT WE USED TO HAVE, UH, THE HAP CONTRACT, UH, HOMELESS ASSISTANCE PROGRAM THAT FUNDED THEIR DROP-IN CENTER.
UM, WE HAVE NO LONGER HAD THAT CONTRACT WITH THEM.
SO, UM, THEY HAVE DECLINED WANTING TO OPERATE AS A CENTER GOING FORWARD.
UM, SO THERE ARE CONTINUED ONGOING CHALLENGES AS NO LONGER A FUNDER OF A DROP IN CENTER.
LIKE IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SAY LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT
UM, THEY STILL HAVE THEIR FSP PROGRAMS AS WELL AS MANY OTHER PROGRAMS THROUGH, UH, DMH AND A COUPLE OF PROGRAMS THAT WE FUND THAT ARE FIELD-BASED, UH, THAT THEY STILL OPERATE.
UM, OUR STAFFING ARE OUT OF THAT SITE, BUT AS FAR AS A A DROP-IN CENTER, THEY'RE NOT OPERATING AS A DROP-IN CENTER, UH, AT THAT LOCATION AT THIS POINT.
SO, UH, THEY SERVE PEOPLE IN THEIR FSP PROGRAMS AND OTHER, UH, SERVICE PROGRAMS OUT OF THAT LOCATION.
UM, SO IF THERE'S INTEREST, I CAN AT LEAST TRY TO CONNECT WITH LUTHER WHO MIGHT BE A LITTLE MORE RESPONSIVE.
UM, BUT I KNOW THEY HAVE ALSO FELT A FAIR AMOUNT OF PRESSURE AND LIKE
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HESITANCY TO ENGAGE WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE AT THIS POINT.UM, SO THAT IS, THAT'S
JULIE, UM, WHO OWNS THAT BUILDING? UM, THEY OWN THAT.
WELL THEY HAVE A LONG TERM LEASE ON THAT BUILDING THAT ENDS WITH THEM OWNING IT.
SO, BUT CURRENTLY, CURRENTLY THE CITY OWNS THAT BUILDING.
UM, HOWEVER, THERE IS A LOT OF CAPITAL INVESTMENT THAT HAS GONE INTO THAT BUILDING THAT IS NOT THE CITY'S CAPITAL INVESTMENT AT THIS POINT.
SO THERE, YES, THE CITY OWNS THE PROPERTY AND THE LAND IN THE BUILDING.
UM, IT IS BASE REALIGNMENT ACT DOLLARS.
SO IT WOULD HAVE TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE COMMUNITY BASED SERVICES WITH A ENSURING THAT LIKE THOSE SERVICES THAT ARE COMING FROM THAT BUILDING, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE A DROP IN CENTER, BUT THAT THE SERVICES THAT ARE HOUSED WITHIN THAT BUILDING IS ENGAGING PEOPLE THAT ARE EITHER AT RISK OR EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS.
SO, UM, I I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND.
UH, WELL I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY DON'T WANNA BE A DROP IN CENTER ANYMORE SINCE THEY WERE A DROP DROP IN CENTER FOR A LONG TIME, BUT THAT'S BESIDE THE POINT.
UM, IF WE WERE TO DO A PILOT PROGRAM OUT OF THAT FRONT PART OF THE BUILDING, WHICH I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY ACTIVITY ON, UM, YOU'VE GOT YOUR SHOWERS, YOU'VE GOT YOUR RESTROOMS, YOU'VE GOT A COUNTER, YOU'VE GOT SPACE FOR PEOPLE TO SIT DOWN.
SO TECH AND TECHNICALLY THAT FRONT PART OF THE BUILDING IS SEPARATE FROM ALL THAT THAT YOU DO IN THE BACK.
UM, WE COULD TECHNICALLY DO THAT.
IT'S JUST WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT THERE ARE SOME, UM, CHALLENGES TO DOING THAT, BUT IT'S NOT PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE.
I DON'T THINK BECAUSE THE SHOWERS AND THE RESTROOMS WORK, THEY HAVE SAID THEY DO NOT WANT TO BE A DROP IN CENTER TYPE PROGRAM.
SO WE, BUT IF WE DON'T INVOLVE M-H-J-L-A AND, AND AS IF THE CITY OWNS THE BUILDING, IF WE GET ANOTHER OPERATOR TO, TO DO A PILOT REFRESH CENTER WITH THE NEW SHOWERS AND WASHING MACHINES AND RESTROOMS, WE COULD TECHNICALLY DO THAT.
THAT IS A MUCH BIGGER THING THAT IS NOT, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A LEASE WITH US.
IT WOULD TAKE A LOT MORE TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS REGARDLESS OF HOW YOU FEEL.
I CAN, I AS THE LEASE HOLDER, THE CITY CAN'T JUST COME IN AND SAY WE'RE GONNA DO THIS PROGRAM REGARDLESS OF WHETHER YOU WANT YEAH.
BUT THE CITY MADE ITS IMPROVEMENTS BASED ON M-H-A-L-A, WANTING TO BE A DROP CONTINUING, WANTING TO BE A DROP IN CENTER.
AND TO ME IT'S THEM THAT ARE IN VIOLATION OF THE INITIAL INTENT OF THE AGREEMENT AND THE LEASE THAT IS WRITTEN AS THEY WILL PROVIDE SERVICES THAT BENEFIT PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS FROM THAT BUILDING DOES NOT ACTUALLY GET INTO WHETHER THAT IS A DROP IN CENTER.
THAT WAS THE INITIAL INTENT I WAS AT MHA AS THAT CONVERSATION WAS HAPPENING AND THAT WAS THE CONVERSATION, BUT THAT IS NOT HOW IT IS WRITTEN.
ALSO, SORRY, JUST SO EVERYONE'S AWARE, AT 3:00 PM WE WOULD BE STARTING THE MAYOR'S FUND SUBCOMMITTEE.
SO I, I APOLOGIZE IT'S TWO MORE MINUTES.
THANK YOU FOR THE UPDATE ON THAT.
I KNOW, UM, THE AUDITOR'S REPORT HAD SAID THE CITY HAD PUT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS INTO RETROFITTING THAT BUILDING.
SO THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE PERSPECTIVE I THINK OF THE PUBLIC.
BUT UM, THANKS FOR THE UPDATE AND I THINK YEAH, IF WE COULD GO THERE AND JUST SEE THE PROGRAMS, IF YOU THINK SOMEBODY WOULD BE OPEN TO IT.
YEAH, I'LL REACH OUT TO LUTHER AND SEE IF HE CAN COORDINATE A TOOL.
AND THEN THE LAST ITEM, AND I KNOW WE HAVE TO GO IN TWO MINUTES.
WE'VE GOT TWO MINUTES, TWO ITEMS, UM, RECOMMENDATION TO DISCUSS THE HOMELESS SERVICES ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEMBERS INVOLVEMENT IN THE STRATEGIC PLANNING PROCESS.
IS THERE A MOTION? SECOND? UM, SO DISCUSSION AND QUESTIONS.
WHAT, WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS TO STRATEGIC PLANNING THAT WE NEED TO GET INVOLVED IN? SO WE ARE AT A POINT THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR A SECONDARY, UM,
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SECONDARY CONSULTANT TO COME IN TO PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL SUPPORT.UM, THAT'S IN CONVERSATION AND KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT WITH, UH, WORKING WITH CITY FABRIC.
UM, THEY ARE GREAT AT PUTTING THINGS TOGETHER AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IN THAT SIDE OF THE, THE PIECE WHERE THEY DO NOT HAVE AS MUCH EXPERTISE AND EXPERIENCE AS LIKE WHAT'S HAPPENING IN ALMOST SERVICES ACROSS THIS COUNTRY.
AND LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS ASSESSING DATA, LOOKING AT NEEDS, LOOKING AT WHAT OTHER PROGRAMS EXIST IN OTHER AREAS OF THE COUNTRY.
SO WE ARE LOOKING AT REMI ON A CONSULTANT THAT CAN LOOK AT THE DATA, TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY'RE SEEING IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY, UH, AND MAKING THOSE SHIFTS.
SO WE WILL HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL, UM, STUFF COMING ON FORWARD.
UH, IT DOES MEAN THAT WE'RE GONNA NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME WITH IT.
UH, ONCE WE GET THAT INTO PLACE, THERE'LL BE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHAT DOES ONGOING COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND INPUT.
UM, BUT IT WILL EXTEND LIKE OUR TIME PERIOD TO GET TO A FINISHED PRODUCT.
BUT WE FEEL THAT MAKING THIS CHANGE IS GOING TO GET US TO A BETTER FINISHED PRODUCT THEN JUST TRYING TO PUSH IT FORWARD WITH WHAT WE HAVE.
SO, UH, CITY FABRIC WILL STAY ON WITHIN THE PROJECT AND THEY'RE GONNA BE THE ONES THAT ULTIMATELY TAKE EVERYTHING THAT COMES IN AND PUTS IT TOGETHER IN A NICE PLAN.
UM, BUT WE ARE BRINGING IN A SECONDARY CONSULTANT TO BE MORE EXPERTISE ON HOMELESSNESS AT A NATIONAL LEVEL AND LOOKING AT THE DATA, PUTTING FORWARD, UH, A FRAMEWORK THAT PEOPLE CAN RESPOND TO THAT'S DATA INFORMED AND LIKE ACTUALLY TAKES THAT DATA.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION OR COMMENTS ON, SO IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO SAY, BUT THERE WILL BE OPPORTUNITY.
AND OUR LAST ITEM, RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE DISCUSSION, UM, REGARDING FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. IS THERE A MOTION? SO SECOND.
ALRIGHT, SO ANY ITEMS THAT WE SHOULD BE DISCUSSING, UM, FOR OUR, OUR NEXT MONTH MEETING? FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS THAT WASN'T A A LAST BIG MEETING.
OUR, OUR STRATEGY RECOMMENDATION WAS A, AN APPROACH TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF SHELTER BEDS IN ONE MANNER.
AND MY CURIOSITY IS AROUND IS THERE A PLAN, IS THERE A STRATEGIC PLAN TO DO THAT? WHATEVER WAY, UM, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH INTENT MODEL OR OTHER MODELS.
SO AND SO NOT, NOT TO ANSWER, BUT YEAH, WE'LL GET AN, WE CAN ADD THAT, BUT YEAH.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S AN INTEREST I HAVE.
IT'S SORT OF THIS WAIT LIST, UH, BUILT UP DEMAND.
WE HAVE A CERTAIN NUMBER AND IT'S CLEARLY WE NEED MORE.
AND SO HOW DO WE PROGRESS TO THAT? THAT'S AN INTEREST I HAVE.
YEAH, I'LL PICK, WE CAN COVER THAT AND WE CAN ADD THE SAME THING BUT, YOU KNOW, MAKING SPEC, UH, SPECIFIC BUT HE WOULD SPEAK TODAY.
UM, SOMETHING SPECIFIC, ALSO SEPARATE AND THAT KIND OF GETS INTO ALSO THE GOAL OF REDUCING THE PERCENTAGE, YOU KNOW, OR STRATEGY OF TRYING TO REDUCE THE PERCENTAGE OF UN UNHOUSED.
SO THERE'S SORT OF A TIE IN OVERALL.
SO YOU WOULD THINK THERE'D BE A STRATEGY IF IT'S ALL, ANY OTHER AGENDA ITEMS FOR NEXT MEETING.
ALRIGHT, WELL WITH THAT I'M GOING TO MOVE TO, OH, DO WE ALL, ALL ON WITH THAT? I'M GONNA MOVE TO ADJOURN AT, UH, 3:03 PM OKAY.