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WE HAVE FORUMS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
UH, FOLKS, FOLKS, I JUST STARTED.
UH, WE HAVE, UH, CALL TO ORDER.
UM, UH, I'M GONNA GO THROUGH THE AGENDA PRETTY QUICK THIS MORNING.
UH, WE MIGHT GET, UH, SLOWED DOWN ON A COUPLE OF TOPICS, SO I WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE, UH, AMPLE TIME, UH, TO, UH, HERE.
UM, SOME FOLKS ARE HERE TO SPEAK.
UM, SO I'M JUST GONNA PASS, UH, CHAIR'S REPORT.
UM, THERE'S NOTHING REALLY NOVEL TO, UH, DISCUSS THERE.
SO WE'LL MOVE THE REGULAR AGENDA.
ITEM ONE, UH, RECOMMENDATION TO GROUPING MINUTES OF THE MONT SHORT PARKING AND BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT AREA ADVISORY COMMISSION MEETING OF THURSDAY, OCTOBER 17TH.
UH, AND A SECOND, SECOND, UH, ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT ITEM, PLEASE? UH, AND THEN HOW DO WE VOTE ON THAT? ALL IN FAVOR.
RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVING FILE, UH, LONG BEACH PUBLIC WORKS FINANCIAL REPORT, DISCUSSING REVENUES DURING THE PERIOD END OF OCTOBER 31, UH, 2024.
AND RYAN, IF YOU COULD PLEASE TURN TO THE PAGE THAT SAYS, BELMONT SHORE PARKING METER FUND SUMMARY, AND IT'S AS OF 10 31.
WITH THIS IS DISCUSSING OCTOBER'S REVENUES.
WE ARE NOW IN FISCAL YEAR 2025.
FISCAL YEAR 2024, ENDED ON NINE 30.
SO THIS IS THE FIRST MONTH IN FY 25.
IN TERMS OF REVENUES, WE ARE UP 1% COMPARED TO LAST FISCAL YEAR.
WHILE YEAR TO DATE, REVENUE IS UP 1% VERSUS LAST FISCAL YEAR.
OUR CURRENT FUND BALANCE, IT'S NOW $452,267 AND 68 CENTS.
UM,
WE, THIS IS CURRENTLY AT $2 AN HOUR WITH THE NEW INCREASE.
AND SO EVEN WITH THAT INCREASE, WE'RE STILL ON 1% OVER.
WITH THE, WITH THE NEW INCREASE, WE ARE ONLY UP 1% VERSUS LAST FISCAL YEAR.
STILL REVIEWING THESE COMMISSIONERS.
ANY OTHER OBSERVATIONS, QUESTIONS? OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION.
UM, ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON, UH, THE PHONE SUMMARY? UH, ALL IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION? CAN I ASK ONE MORE QUESTION? SORRY.
UM, I'M JUST KIND CURIOUS, LIKE, DO WE HAVE THE DATA THAT SHOWS LIKE A CHARTER GRAPH, LIKE THE TIME, AND LIKE KIND OF JUST SEEING IF THE MONEY'S ONE THING, BUT IN THE FUTURE, IS THERE LIKE A, LIKE WHEN, WHEN DOES THE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, PEAK? YEAH.
PEAK AND PEAK STUFF LIKE THAT.
LIKE AVERAGE, I DON'T KNOW, LIKE, JUST SOME WAY TO JUDGE METRICS AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.
OUR TIMES MOVING EARLIER, LATER.
LIKE JUST TO ANALYZE ANALYTICS, I GUESS ON THAT.
I MEAN, IF IT IS REALLY AVAILABLE, I DON'T WANT TO LIKE, RECREATE THE WHEEL AND STUFF, BUT IT'D BE REALLY COOL TO SEE, LIKE, I CAN LOOK INTO IT AND SEE IF WE'RE ABLE TO ACCESS THAT.
LIKE, LIKE A RESTAURANT SALES REP, LIKE SALES BY HOUR, YOU KNOW, BY DAY, LIKE DAY OF THE WEEK, AVERAGE DAY OF THE WEEK, AVERAGE HOURLY, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF STUFF.
THAT'S A FAIRLY, UH, EASY ANALYTIC TO WRAP OUR ARMS AROUND.
IF THERE'S CELL THING THEY CAN SPIT OUT REAL QUICK.
IF IT'S TOO MUCH TROUBLE, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
I ASKED, UH, ITEM THREE, RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE ALONG BEACH TRANSIT EMPLOYEE BUS PASS PROGRAM STATUS FOR OCTOBER 31.
EXHIBIT, UH, WE NEED A MOTION, PLEASE.
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WE GO THROUGH THESE ANALYTICS AND THEN WE PUBLIC COMMENT OR IF THERE'S PUBLIC COMMENT PRIOR, PLEASE.AND RYAN, WE ARE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE BSB BOARDINGS AND RIDERS PAGE FOR OCTOBER, HERE WE GO.
WE HAVE 5,010 BOARDINGS FOR OCTOBER, AND WE CURRENTLY HAVE 161 RIDERS FOR OCTOBER.
UM, BOTH ARE UP VERSUS THE PREVIOUS YEAR IN TERMS OF BOARDINGS.
OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR HAD 3,531.
THIS YEAR FOR OCTOBER, WE HAVE 1 61, I THINK UPWARD TREND.
WE'VE SEEN, UH, UM, ALMOST DOUBLE BOARD WRITERS AS WELL, THAT THE TREND IS, IS CERTAINLY NICE.
AND IF WE LOOK AT THE NEXT PAGE ON A GRANULAR BUSINESS YEAH.
I WOULD LIKE TO, I SAID IT LAST WEEK, I WOULD SAY IT AGAIN.
I WANT TO THANK HEATHER AT THE BSPA BECAUSE SHE'S INSTRUMENTAL IN GETTING THE EMPLOYEES THAT MAKES YOURSELF AVAILABLE TO HELP THEM TO GET THEM ON ONBOARD.
YOU COULDN'T GET THESE RESULTS WITHOUT HER EFFORTS.
SO YEAH, THIS IS, UH, NOW THESE NUMBERS ARE STARTING TO RESONATE JUST AS I GO THROUGH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE BUSINESSES, AND THAT WOULD REPRESENT FREEING UP, UH, AN AWFUL LOT OF PARKING SPACES, WHICH IS NICE.
YEAH, ACTUALLY THAT IS, THAT IS INTERESTING.
UM, AND ALSO THE TOP 10 IS VERY INTERESTING.
ANY, UH, COMMISSIONER COMMENTS ON THIS DATA AND, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT ON BUS PASS PROGRAM? ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THIS? UH, WE'RE JUST GONNA CONTINUE THE OUTREACH AND THE SBA IS GONNA CONTINUE THE OUTREACH AND WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE WITH THIS PROGRAM BECAUSE IT'S, UM, MAKING A DIFFERENCE.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? UM, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
UH, ITEM FOUR HAS BEEN DROPPED FROM THE AGENDA THIS MORNING.
UH, THE CITY ARBORIST, UH, LET CITY STAFF KNOW THAT THEY WILL PULL TO ANOTHER, UM, MEETING THIS MORNING, UH, UNEXPECTED.
WE'RE GONNA TRY TO, UH, IZE THIS FOR THE JANUARY MEETING.
UM, AND BEFORE I MOVE ON TO IT, UH, JUST AN OBSERVATION AND I'M SURE EVERYONE IN THE ROOM WILL, WILL HAVE A SIMILAR, UH, FEEL FOR IT.
IF, IF YOU LOOK AT THE TREES ON SECOND STREET, UH, THIS TIME OF YEAR AS OPPOSED TO A YEAR AGO, OR TWO YEARS AGO, OR THREE YEARS AGO BEFORE WE GOT A COUPLE OF YEARS OF STEADY RAIN, THE HEALTH OF THE TREES SEEMS TO HAVE IMPROVED GREATLY.
UH, JUST WITH THE GROUNDWATER, UH, THAT THEY'VE RECEIVED.
THEY HAVE, UH, RECEIVED SOME FERTILIZING.
UH, WE DID, UH, WE DO, UH, HAVE REGULAR WATERING, UH, IN THE WARMER MONTHS THAT'S PROVIDED THROUGH CONSERVATION BEFORE IN WATER TRUCK.
UM, BUT THE DIFFERENCE NOW, AS IT WAS A COUPLE YEARS AGO, UM, MOST OF THOSE TREES HAVE, UH, FULL GROWTH ON 'EM.
THEY DID FLOWER, UM, AND IF WE HAVE A, A WET WINTER, UH, I THINK WE'RE JUST GONNA SEE, UH, ANY IMPROVEMENT ON THAT MATERIAL.
UH, CLEARLY TREES THAT ARE, THAT ARE DEAD, UH, OR COMPLETELY GONE, UH, WE NEED TO REPLACE, BUT WE'RE GONNA WAIT FOR THE ARMOR RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT THAT'S JUST OBSERVATION, UH, TO ME.
SO WE'RE GONNA PUSH THAT ITEM, UH, RYAN TO JANUARY MEETING.
CAN WE, WE NOW NEED TO VOTE BECAUSE WE DISCUSSED IT.
SO CAN I GET A MOTION? SECOND.
A VOTE TO WITHDRAW, UH, MOTION TO MOVE THE ARBORIST REPORT TO THE JANUARY MEETING.
SECOND, UH, AND THEN ALL IN FAVOR.
CAN WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT? SURE, SURE.
WE HAVE COMMENT ON US WITHDRAWING THE ITEM.
PUBLIC COMMENT ON WITHDRAWING THE ITEM, MELINDA.
I THINK IT'S VERY SAD RIGHT NOW THAT WE HAVE AT LEAST FOUR TOTALLY VACANT SPOTS, PROMINENT SPOTS IN FRONT OF PANAMA JOES.
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THERE'S NO TREES AT ALL THAT WERE WIPED OUT BY MOTORISTS AT AND US CAN'T WE REPLACE THOSE TREES THERE? I SEE NO REASON THAT WE CAN'T DO THAT.THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION FOR THE HELP AND THE, AND THE LOOK OF THE SHORE TO GET THOSE TREES IN.
ONE WOMAN STOPPED AND LOOKED AT ONE OF THOSE PLACES IN FRONT R AID AND SAID, OH, ARE THEY PROVIDING PLACES DOWN FOR DOGS TO DO THEIR DUTY? AND I WAS JUST SO SHOCKED BY THAT.
SO I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO GET THOSE TREES REPLACED.
UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE COMMENT.
UH, MOVING ON TO, UH, ITEM FIVE, UH, RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE A STATUS UPDATE ON THE CONSERVATION COURT OF LONG BEACH'S WORK IN THE BELMONT SHORE AREA, INCLUDING RESPONSIVE TO REQUEST FOR ASSISTANCE FOR OCTOBER, 2024.
WE HAVE A PRESENTATION, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO WE CALL THE CONSERVATION COURT TEAM TO, UH, TO REPORT THE RESPONSES AND REQUESTS FOR ASSISTANCE AND STATUS UPDATES.
CAN WE GET A MOTION AND SECOND, FIRST MOTION, UH, MOTION TO PROCEED THE SITE.
GOOD MORNING TO COMMISSION ONCE AGAIN.
UH, MIKE BRIDGES, UH, PROJECT MANAGER.
IF YOU GUYS COME HERE, THEN YOU WON.
THE BACKS WON'T BE TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE.
SO, SO, AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE CONTINUING IN OUR SERVICE OUT ON SECOND STREET.
UM, I ALSO BROUGHT MY, UH, LEAD SUPERVISOR, UM, RUBEN
BUT GOING ON THE DATA FOR THE MONTH, WE PULLED OUT ROUGHLY 313 81, UM, BAGS OF LITTER.
UM, WE HAVEN'T HAD TOO MANY 1,381 BAGS OF LITTER AT WHAT? 35? UH, THE MONTH OF OCTOBER.
UM, WE HAVEN'T HAD TOO MANY, LIKE ADDITIONAL REQUESTS AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, UH, ADDITIONAL ITEMS THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS OUT ON THE SHORE.
UM, SO IT IS BEEN A PRETTY SMOOTH MONTH.
UM, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S BEEN, UH, PRETTY SMOOTH MONTH SAYING, UH, HERE AND THERE.
UH, ENCOUNTERED SOME HOMELESS, UH, BUT ALL THAT'S BEEN PREPARED.
UM, PARKING LOTS ARE ALSO BEING MAINTAINED.
UH, SOME WE, WE
I KNOW THAT ONE IS FREQUENTLY LOOKED AT AND, AND IT'S, IT'S A HOTSPOT.
SO THAT ONE WE REALLY ZERO IN A R.
IS THERE, DO YOU GUYS SEE A TREND IN THAT PARTICULAR PARKING LOT AS FAR AS WHAT'S THERE OR WHO IS THERE? IS THERE ANY INTERRUPTIONS BECAUSE OF THE PRESENCE OR, UH, WHAT MAKES IT A HOTSPOT? UH, IT'S, IT'S, IT IS, THAT'S A MULTI SMALL PARKING LOT NOW.
COFFEE SHOP, IT A LITTLE HEAVY TRAFFIC, HEAVY TRAFFIC THERE BUSINESS.
BUT ALSO BEHIND, UH, EMMA JOE'S.
THERE'S BEEN SOME BOG, NOT BIG BULK ITEMS, SOME SMALL, UM, BOG ITEMS THERE.
UM, YEAH, LITTLE CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS THERE.
THEY DON'T, UM, BUT YES, IT'S MOSTLY THE PARKING LOT.
I THINK THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE HAVE AS FAR AS PART OF THE FICATION.
UM, I, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE WITH CONSERVATION'S CONTRACT THROUGH JUNE.
WE HAVE, THAT'S THE NEXT ITEM.
I JUST WANT QUESTION THE BIG BOYS.
ARE YOU NOTICING, I KNOW WE, WE'VE REPLACED A NUMBER OF THEM OVER THE LAST YEAR.
ARE YOU NOTICING 'EM ARE STILL BROKEN OR IS THERE AN INVENTORY OF A LIST OF ANY BIG BOYS THAT AREN'T STAYING CLOSED OR THAT PEOPLE HAVE BROKEN INTO? IS THAT SOMETHING YOU GUYS REPORT BACK ON? WE HAVE BIG ABILITY TO BE REPLACED, YES.
THAT'S SOMETHING, WHEN IT DOES COME UP, ME, WE WILL OR I'LL SEND AN EMAIL OUT TO RYAN.
YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE, WE WILL HAVE TO LIKE, YOU KNOW, TRY TO ORDER THE PARTS OR GO THROUGH, UM, UH, THE BACKSEAT.
AND TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, ARE THEY ALL FUNCTIONING CORRECTLY RIGHT NOW
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TO, TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE? THERE ARE SOME OLD ONES, UH, THAT HAVE BEEN HERE SINCE YEARS.IT'S JUST, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THE OTHER ONES.
AND THOSE OLDER UNITS ARE SCHEDULED FOR, FOR SWAP OUT.
THEY'RE ON LONG TERM SCHEDULE.
UH, SO, UM, WHEN YOU MENTIONED, UH, HOMELESS IS THE MAJORITY OF THIS HOMELESS IS, UH, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT 50 50 HOMELESS AND, YOU KNOW, IRRESPONSIBLE CUSTOMERS.
UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY SENSE OF THAT? IT'S, IT'S MOSTLY, I MEAN, MOSTLY HOMELESS.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S A FUNCTION OF THE, THE HOMELESS ISSUE.
I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE SECURITY.
WE'RE HERE LIKE AT SEVEN 31ST.
IS THERE ANYTHING YOU THINK WE COULD DO DIFFERENTLY WITH LIKE, THE HOURS OF THE SECURITY OR OTHER KINDS OF MEASURES THAT YOU'D RECOMMEND US LOOKING INTO THAT COULD HELP YOUR GUYS' JOB OR, UH, I MEAN, IF THEY JUST PROBABLY START EARLIER WITH US OR, BECAUSE THEY STARTED AROUND NINE, I THINK.
RIGHT? AND, AND WE NORMALLY, I NORMALLY REPORT IT WHENEVER THERE'S A GENTLEMAN OR WHATEVER YOU, I NORMALLY REPORT, OH, THEY START NINE.
SO I THINK THEY SEE, AS SOON AS THEY COME IN NIGHTTIME, THEY STOP.
WE HAVE STAGGERED HOURS AND WE, WE'VE CHANGED HOURS OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS TO MAXIMIZE THEIR EFFECTIVENESS BASED ON INPUT FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND, UH, OTHER OPERATORS.
UH, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE, THANKFULLY WE CAN DO.
WE CAN, WE CAN MODIFY THOSE HOURS, UH, AT ANY TIME.
UH, IF, IF WE'RE LEARNING THAT CONSERVATION POOR WORKERS ARE JEOPARDIZED IN ANY WAY BECAUSE OF HOMELESS OR, UH, YOU'RE NOTICING, UH, A LOT OF ACTIVITY.
OUR ORIGINAL THOUGHT WAS MORNINGS AND WE HAD, UH, A VERY EARLY AM START.
AND THEN AS THE, AS THE TIME WENT FORWARD, WE THOUGHT, WELL, WE'RE GONNA MAXIMIZE THE BUDGET.
UH, WE NEED TO MOVE SECURITY TO MORE EFFECTIVE HOURS, UH, LATER IN THE, IN THE MORNING OR LATER IN THE AFTERNOON OR EVENINGS.
AND AS WE HAVE NOW, UH, WE HAVE SECURITY, UH, THROUGHOUT THE NIGHT, UH, STARTING, UH, AT MIDNIGHT NORTH THROUGH 5:00 AM UM, THAT WAS A RESPONSE TO, UH, WINDOW SMASHING AND, AND BREAK INS.
SO WE WANTED EXTRA ON THE STREET FOR THAT.
UM, AND THEN WE WERE PULLED AWAY FROM WARNINGS, UM, BECAUSE, UH, OBVIOUSLY TRAFFIC IS MUCH LOWER INTO THE SHORE DURING THE WARNING, BUT IF WE'RE HEARING FOLKS ARE GONNA GET COFFEE, UH, AND WHATNOT ARE GONNA WORK THAT EARLY, YOU'RE BEING COMPROMISED, UH, BY THAT ACTIVITY.
WE NEED TO REEXAMINE THAT AND, AND AROUND AGAIN, WHAT WE DON'T WANT BE COMPROMISED WAY.
AND I DUNNO IF THE ONLY WAY THAT I WOULD START THINKING ABOUT THIS IS IF YOU GUYS HAVE HAD A REASON TO CALL PD BECAUSE OF INTERRUPTION TO YOUR WORK.
IS THAT THE CASE? IT'S NOT THE CASE.
UH, CS WELL, I KNOW IT'S, I KNOW IT'S CS I'M SAYING IS CS I ISN'T THERE.
AND YOUR CREW IS OUT WORKING, ARE THEY, UH, AT ANY TIME, UH, COMPROMISED? THEY HAVEN'T BEEN.
SO YOU HAVEN'T HAD A NEED TO CALL PD? NO.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE FIRST PLACE THAT WE START IF HAVE YOUR PROBLEM TO DEAL WITH.
UM, THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I WOULD ADD TO THIS CONVERSATION, UH, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT 1300 PLUS BAGS OF GARBAGE COLLECTED IN ONE CALENDAR MONTH, UM, THAT WOULD BE PRETTY INTERESTING IF CONSERVATION CORPS WASN'T ON THE JOB.
SO THAT'S ONE MORE, UH, EXAMPLE OF WHERE WE SPENDING MONEY IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, UH, WITH OUR EFFORTS.
UH, GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
UH, THE LAST QUESTION I'LL ASK IF THERE'S ANY, UH, NON EXCHANGE, BUT PUBLIC COMMENT.
THERE ARE TWO, UM, OPEN AIR CONCRETE TRASH CANS.
I'M ASSUMING THAT THAT SECOND BULLET POINT, THAT'S WHAT THAT'S REFERRING TO ON GLENDORA IN BETWEEN THE ALLEY AND SECOND STREET, THAT, UM, SOMEONE FIVE, SIX MONTHS AGO, UM, DECIDED TO TURN INTO, UH, PLANTERS.
AND, UM, ONE OF THEM EVEN HAS A LITTLE SIDE THAT SAYS, THIS IS NOT A TRASH PAN.
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I HAVE REPORTED IT TWICE TO, UM, THE GOCHA AND BOTH TIMES THEY CAME BACK AND SAID, IT'S TAKEN CARE OF.AND, UM, SO JUST NOW READING THIS, I'M LIKE, OH, MAYBE I CAN BRING IT TO YOU GUYS.
IT DIDN'T EVEN OCCUR TO ME THAT THOSE WERE YOURS.
UM, AND, UM, THE THING IS, IS LIKE THEY'RE NOT PLANNERS.
THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO, UH, YOU KNOW, THE WA IF YOU WATER 'EM, THERE'S NOWHERE FOR THE WATER TO GO OR ANYTHING.
AND SO IT'S JUST GONNA BECOME A MESS.
AND, UM, ANYWAY, I'M JUST HOPING THAT THAT CAN BE TAKEN CARE OF.
UH, THANK YOU FOR THE COMMENT.
AND WE ARE AWARE OF IT, UH, AND WE'RE WORKING THROUGH A SOLUTION ON IT.
UH, AND I, THIS IS NOT AN EXCHANGE, SO I CAN'T ELABORATE.
UH, BUT I APPRECIATE THE COMMENT AND I'LL NOT VIEW THAT.
UH, ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? UH, PLEASE.
ARE YOU NOTICING THAT WE, DO YOU THINK WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH BIG IES DOWN THERE? IS, ARE THE CANS OVERFLOWING? I WOULD SAY THEY'RE NOT OVERFLOWING.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S CERTAIN, THERE'S CERTAIN SPOTS WHERE THEY'RE HEAVIER THAN OTHERS, BUT I DON'T THINK I'VE NOTICED ANY OVERFLOWS.
IT IS JUST AFTER A CERTAIN, I JUST INSTRUCT THE GUYS, ONCE THEY'RE AT A CERTAIN LEVEL, YOU SWITCH 'EM OUT BECAUSE WE, WE DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT OVERFLOW COURSE.
UH, NO MORE COMMENTS, MORE QUESTIONS.
UH, WE HAVE A MOTION, WE A SECOND.
UH, WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE AS WELL ON THE MEETING WORK THAT WE PROVIDED, PLEASE.
SO THIS MORNING THE CREWS ARE ALL SERVICING EM.
AND, UH, OUR LAST, OUR REPORT, UH, IS THAT THERE IS SOME BROKEN IRRIGATION AND THERE'S SOME MOLD, SOME OF THE, AND JOSEPH HAS PASSED.
SO WE'LL BE PROVIDING, YOU KNOW, HAVE A PLANT LIST.
AND I'LL BE WORKING WITH, UH, PUBLIC WORKS TO GET A SCHEDULE OF THE TIMING FOR THE IRRIGATION AND ALSO, UM, HAVING AZ COME FIX BROKEN IRRIGATION.
SO YOU RECOMMEND PUBLIC WORKS? PUBLIC WORKS IRRIGATION.
I THINK AZTEC HAS A CONTRACT FOR THE IRRIGATION.
AND, UH, OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT ASKED FOR THE SCHEDULE FOR THE WATERING BECAUSE OF THE, OF THE BOWL AND THE FUNGICIDE GOING AND ASKED TO TREE SOME KIND OF PESTICIDE.
SO, AND ALSO WE DO HAVE LIST OF THE PLANT REPLACEMENT, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO THE PLANT REPLACEMENT IN JANUARY AFTER CHRIS.
WE'LL HAVE EVERYTHING FOR YOU GUYS FOR DECEMBER, SO WE COULD PUT IT IN JANUARY.
UH, WITH THAT ADDED INFORMATION, ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? OKAY, NOW WE HAVE A MOTION.
ITEM SIX, RECOMMENDATION TO IMPROVE CONSERVATION FOR LONG SCOPE OF WORK, UH, FOR THE BELMONT SHORT NOTIFICATION PROGRAM FROM JANUARY TO JUNE, 2024.
UM, HOW DEEPLY ARE WE TO DISCUSS THIS? SO, UM, WE, WELL, WE HAVE CONSERVATION COURT HERE IN CASE YOU, YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
THERE'S THREE, UM, THREE OPTIONS THAT THEY HAVE IN TERMS OF THE PROJECT PROPOSAL FOR JANUARY TO JUNE.
WE HAVE A SEVEN DAY OPTION, AND THEN WE HAVE A THREE DAY OPTION, AND THEN AN ADDITIONAL, UM, OPTION FOR TREE WATERING, BIG BELLY REMOVAL AND TREE PLANTING.
SO PROJECT APPROVAL FORM NUMBER ONE IS AN URBAN BEAUTIFICATION FOR CONSERVATION COURT TO SERVICE THE SECOND STREET AREA FROM JANUARY TO JUNE IN THE AMOUNT OF 282,170.
IS THIS A COMPREHENSIVE PORTION? THIS IS THE SEVEN DAY COMPREHENSIVE SEVEN DAY COMPREHENSIVE BEAUTIFICATION.
ONE MORE TIME ON THAT NUMBER PLEASE.
$282,170 AND 38 CENTS FOR SIX MONTHS.
THE THREE DAY OPTION, THE THREE DAY OPTION FOR THE URBAN BEAUTIFICATION IS $125,122 AND 6 CENTS FOR SIX MONTHS.
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THEN, SO WE WOULD'VE TO CHOOSE BETWEEN A SEVEN AND A THREE DAY OPTION.AND WE WOULD ALSO HAVE TO APPROVE OPTION C, WHICH IS THE PROJECT APPROVAL FORM FOR THE TREE WATERING, BIG BELLY REMOVAL AND TREE PLANTING.
YES, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY, AND I'M GONNA, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS, UH, COMMISSIONERS.
UM, GIVEN THAT WE'RE COMING INTO, UH, QUOTE UNQUOTE RAIN SEASON, UM, PERHAPS TREE WATERING ISN'T SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO RELY ON AS MUCH.
UM, I'M GONNA GIVE YOU THE OPINION FROM MY CHAIR FIRST, THAT IF WE DID THREE DAYS A WEEK, UM, BASED ON THE REPORT THAT YOU JUST RECEIVED WITH 13 PLUS BAGS OF GARBAGE, UH, YOU DO THE MATH, UH, FOUR FLIGHT DAYS WOULD BE, UH, MORE THAN PROBLEMATIC FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO I DUNNO IF WE HAVE ANY OTHER OPTIONS OTHER THAN JUNE SEVEN DAY TO GET US THROUGH JUNE, UH, WHERE AT THE POINT, UH, THROUGH THE CITY, UH, REQUEST, RFP FOR OTHER SERVICES WILL MATERIALIZE.
SO WE'RE NOT GONNA BE WITHOUT SERVICE NUMBER ONE.
UM, AND IN MY OPINION, I DON'T, WE HAVE A CHOICE OTHER THAN TO GO WITH WHAT WE'VE BECOME ACCUSTOMED TO.
UH, AND I'LL TELL YOU, UH, FIRMLY, THERE WE'RE, UH, THAT DOING EXERCISE THAT, UH, THE CITY IS NOT GOING TO GOBBLE UP THAT EXTRA, UH, FOUR DAYS.
UM, SO WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA BE LEFT TO, THIS IS NOT IOWA, OF COURSE, AND WE ARE NOT SEPARATE FROM THE CITY IN ANY WAY.
AND THESE UNDERSTAND THAT THESE ARE CITY FUNDS, UH, BUT THESE CITY FUNDS ARE SPECIFICALLY DIRECTED TO THIS PURPOSE.
AND IF CITY FUNDS WERE TO BE DIRECTING ITS PURPOSE, IT WOULD TAKE A LARGER MACHINE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN THAN IT'S HAPPENING IN THIS GROUP WITH OUR RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY GO ON IT.
AND THEN, SHOULD WE DO THIS FIRST OR GO COMMISSION? UM, WHICHEVER, IF CONSERVATION CORPS WANTS TO, UM, GO IN THERE A LITTLE BIT MORE CHANGE IN THE SERVICE THAT WE TODAY NO.
LOOK, UM, A LOT LIKE WHAT YOU'VE SEEN, UM, CARING FORWARD, ALLOCATE.
THIS IS JUST TO CONTINUE WHAT WE'RE, SO WE THE SEVEN BASICALLY JUST CONTINUING WHAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING.
AND THEN THE, IT IS A, WHAT'S THE PRICE CHANGE? UH, I I SEE 2 82 FOR THE SIX MONTHS.
IS THERE A PRINT TYPE TO PAY? THERE IS, IT IS SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT.
SO THIS, THIS, THIS, I KNOW IT'S GONNA BE A STEER SHOCK, BUT THIS REPRESENTS AN INCREASE.
BECAUSE, UH, WE ARE IN, UH, AN UNCONTRACTED PERIOD OF TIME.
SO CONSERVATION COURT IS STEPPING IN TO ABSORB THE SERVICE OR CONTINUE THE SERVICE OFF CONTRACT ON A MONTH TO BASIS.
WHAT I, I, I KNOW HOW INFLATION'S GONNA GO AND SO I'M AFRAID TO ASK, BUT I HAVE TO ASK, WHAT, WHAT ARE WE CURRENTLY PAYING FOR SIX MONTH? CURRENTLY PAYING MORE $300,000.
SO IT'S ALMOST DOUBLE FOR A YEAR LONG EXPOSURE.
BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT A A SIX MONTH, IF WE DO A YEAR, CAN WE KEEP THE SAME RATE? THEY WILL NOT DO A YEAR AT THIS POINT.
OH, YOU CAN'T DO A YEAR AT ALL, NO MATTER WHAT THIS IS, THIS IS PRELOADED.
SO IT COMES TO US AND THAT'S THE FINITE PERIOD THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY.
WE CAN'T LOOK BEYOND, UH, JUNE AT THIS POINT.
WHY DID YOU JUST CLARIFY? UM, I HAVE BACKGROUND.
WELL, THE, THE REASON IS WE, WE ARE, WE ARE OUT OF CONTRACT.
UH, THE CITY HAS ASKED FOR A PROPOSAL FROM OTHER PROVIDERS, AND THOSE PROPOSALS ARE INCOMING, AND WE KNOW IT'S GONNA TAKE AT LEAST SIX MONTHS FOR THAT, UH, INFORMATION TO GO THROUGH THE CITY.
AND THE DECISION TO BE MADE ON A PROVIDER, UH, HOPEFULLY WILL BE SELECTED BY JUNE.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING WE'RE OUTTA CONTRACT.
WHO'S WHO? THEY OUTTA THE CITY IS OUT OF CONTRACT WITH CONSERVATION.
SO TO PROVIDE, SO FOR US TO CONSIDER FOR THE, THE, THE PARKING COMMISSION TO CONSIDER, UH, CONTINUANCE OF SERVICE, UH, WHILE WE'RE OUT OF CONTRACT.
UH, THIS IS THE MOST VIABLE OPTION, UH, BECAUSE THERE'S NO OTHER COMPANY THAT IS STEPPING UP TO PROVIDE THESE SERVICES.
IF WE CHOOSE NOT TO MAKE THIS EXPENSE, UH, THEN WE FALL, UH,
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OUT OF SERVICE AND WE RELY ON, UH, PUBLIC WORKS TO, TO MANAGE WHAT CONSERVATION COURT CURRENTLY DOES.SO IS THIS A SURPRISE OR WE KNEW ABOUT THIS? I I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHEN DID WE KNOW THAT WE WOULD BE OUT OF POND? I, RYAN, CAN YOU HELP ME WITH THAT ANSWER? WE, UM, THIS WAS BEEN, WE HAD OUR LAST CONTRACT, THE CONSERVATION COURT ENDED DECEMBER 31ST.
WHILE THAT WAS GOING ON, UM, WE HAD JUNE TO DECEMBER WAS OUR LAST CONTRACT.
AND THEN WHILE THAT WAS GOING ON, UM, CENTRAL PURCHASING WAS WORKING ON AN RFP FOR, UM, FOR CONSOLIDATED CLEAN TEAM SERVICES.
HOWEVER, IT IS NOT GONE THROUGH FULLY AND IT'S STILL WITH CENTRAL PURCHASING WHERE PROPOSALS ARE BEING SUBMITTED AND IT'S JUST NOT BEING DONE BY, OR IT'S NOT GOING TO BE FINISHED BY JANUARY 1ST.
SO WHAT WE DID IS WE SPOKE WITH CONSERVATION CORPS AND THEY WERE KIND ENOUGH TO GIVE US AN ADDITIONAL SIX MONTH EXTENSION CONSIDERING THE POSITION THAT WE'RE IN.
UM, HOWEVER IT WOULD BE, THE SERVICES WOULD HAVE TO, THE COST WOULD HAVE TO BE INCREASED.
LET'S SAY THIS KIND OF JUST LIKE THE, THE, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO HERE, BUT LIKE A DOUBLE IS KIND OF A, CAN I, I UNDERSTAND IT INCREASED, BUT A DOUBLE IS KIND OF A SHOCKING SURE.
UM, SO ABOUT
UM, AND I PRESENTED A TABLE OF THE COST, UH, THAT WE SUBSIDIZE AS PART OF OUR TRAINING PROGRAM TO OPERATE THIS.
AND IT'S ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF THE COST TO OPERATE THE PROGRAM.
I, I KNOW THAT THAT WAS QUITE A SURPRISING NUMBER TO HAVE HEARD AFTER, UH, FRANKLY, UH, UH, DECADES OF YEAH.
YEARS AND MAYBE DECADES, UH, OF THIS PARTNERSHIP.
AND SO ESSENTIALLY THAT WAS KIND OF US KIND COMMUNICATING AT THE TIME SO THAT EVERYONE KNEW WHERE THAT WAS GOING.
AND THEN THIS PROCESS BEGAN OF, OF AN RFP.
AND WE SAID, OKAY, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, UM, OUR FUNDING LANDSCAPE IS CHANGING.
UM, ALL OF THE MONEY THAT WE'VE HAD, THE DECADES FOR CLEANUP AND THINGS LIKE THAT HAVE REALLY DECREASED.
UM, WE WERE ABLE TO SUPPLANT A LOT OF THAT WITH COVID FUNDING, UM, THAT WOULD HELP SUBSIDIZE FOR CLEANUP DOLLARS.
UH, AND SO ALL OF OUR FUNDING NOW FOR OUR TRAINING IS REALLY FOCUSED ON ACTUALLY THE, THE THIRD PROPOSAL, UH, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE ARE DOING MORE TREE PLANTING, TREE CARE, NATURE-BASED SOLUTIONS, CONSERVATION TYPE IMPLEMENTATIONS.
THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THE FUNDING FOR OUR TRAINING PROGRAM HAS GONE.
HELPING TO GET PEOPLE INTO THOSE KIND OF, AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE ABLE TO SUBSIDIZE COSTS.
NOW, UNFORTUNATELY, FOR LITTER AND CLEANUP, IT'S JUST NOT WHERE THE TRAINING DOLLARS ARE CURRENTLY.
MONEY FROM THE STATE, MONEY FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
THEY'VE KIND OF, BECAUSE I'M SORRY.
UH, THE, THE, THE FORMULA IS THE, THE WORKFORCE THAT CONSERVATION CORPS HAS, UH, IS, UH, A PATH TO, UH, EDUCATION.
IT'S A PATH TO MORE PERMANENT JOBS.
UH, THIS IS NOT A MANDATED WORK PROGRAM.
THIS ISN'T PEOPLE THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH THE COURT SYSTEM.
THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE, THAT ARE WORKING HONEST JOBS.
UH, AND IT'S A, IT IS A PATHWAY TO, UH, CAREER IN CONSERVATION OR CAREER IN HORTICULTURE, CAREER IN CITY SERVICE.
UH, AND THEY, THEY, WHAT THE, THE PATHWAY THAT THEY PROVIDE IS SO IMPORTANT, UH, BUT AS A RESULT OF, OF WHY THEY, UH, ENJOY QUITE A LOT OF GRANTS AND THE STATE AND FEDERAL, UH, FOR THAT.
SO THAT'S THE, THE DRIVE OF THAT.
AND, UH, SO THE PHILOSOPHICAL NOTES, TO BE TOTALLY HONEST, UM, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE HAVING TO PRESENT THIS PRICE.
UM, JUST BEING COMPLETELY TRANSPARENT.
IT'S WHY WE DID NOT SUBMIT, UH, AGAIN, AND WHY WE DIDN'T PARTICIPATE, UM, UH, IN THE, UH, THE PROCESS.
BECAUSE WE FELT LIKE, GOSH, LIKE WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS A LONG TIME TOGETHER.
UH, YOU KNOW, MAN, YOU'RE DOUBLING THE PRICE ON US.
AND ACTUALLY THE LAST SIX MONTHS, UH, WE HAVE BEEN HEAVILY UNDERWRITING DESPITE THAT LACK OF FUNDING TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE.
'CAUSE THIS IS OUR THIRD OR FOURTH SIX MONTH EXTENSION, UM, OUTSIDE OF THE CONTRACT.
AND SO, LOOK, WE DIDN'T, I GREW UP HERE.
YOU KNOW, LIKE, IT'S A VERY DEAL, BUT IT'S JUST UNFORTUNATE.
IT'S, SO I'M GOING TO INTERJECT ONE MORE TIME.
AND THE TIME THAT I'VE BEEN ON THIS COMMISSION, UH, WE HAVE LOOKED AT, UH, THE ALTERNATIVE OF BRINGING IN, UH, OTHER VENDORS FOR THIS TYPE OF WORK.
UH, THE CITY HAS ASKED US THIS COMMISSION TO LOOK AT THAT.
UM, AND WE HAVE, UH, FOR THE LAST EIGHT YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN ON THIS COMMISSION HONOR, WE HAVE, UH,
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VOTED AWAY FROM THAT IN FAVOR OF CONSERVATION FOR, FOR THE REASONS THAT WE JUST OUTLAYED.AND ALSO, UM, NOT ONLY THE WORKFORCE, NOT ONLY THE GOOD THAT THEY DO, THE PRICE IS, IS ANCILLARY TO THE REST OF THE BENEFITS THAT ARE GENERATED WITH THIS RELATIONSHIP.
AND HERE'S ONE THAT YOU MAY NOT KNOW.
UH, CONSERVATION CORPS HAS A VERY DEEP RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY.
AND IT, IT WAS THE, THE, THE WORK CONTRACT THAT THEY PROVIDE TO MONT SHORE WASN'T EXACTLY THE FAVOR ISN'T THE RIGHT WORD FOR IT, BUT IT'S AN ACCOMMODATION, UH, BASED ON A LONG TERM RELATIONSHIP, UH, THAT THE CITY HAS HAD WITH CONSERVATION BOARD.
AND, UH, SADLY FOR THE REASONS THAT HAVE BEEN OUTLINED, THE COVID FUNDS, UH, GRANTS, UM, LABOR COSTS, INSURANCE COSTS, AND THE FACT THAT THEY'RE CHANGING THEIR MODALITY, UH, THEME TO MORE CONSERVATION AS OPPOSED TO CLEANING.
WE'VE PUSHED OFF THESE REQUESTS TO LOOK AT OTHER VENDORS TO DO THIS WORK, AND WE KNEW THAT IT WOULD BE MORE EXPENSIVE.
UH, SO AS, AS WE HAVE, UH, RELIED ON CONSERVATION CORPS FOR A DECADE MORE, UM, NOW WE'RE TO THE POINT WHERE THE RUBBER HITS THE ROAD AND WE'RE GONNA NEED TO MAKE, UH, SOME CRITICAL, UH, DECISIONS.
UH, WE WILL LOOK AT, UH, VENDORS, UH, AT THIS LEVEL.
WE'LL MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO CITY COUNCIL, UH, AT THIS LEVEL BECAUSE THE, THE FUNDS THAT COME TO PAY FOR THOSE SERVICES COME FROM THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT'S HOW IT'S BEEN, UH, UH, ORCHESTRATED.
AND, AND THAT, THAT'S THE, THE ARCHITECTURE OF THIS OVER THE YEARS.
UH, AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE WHAT WE HAVE AND WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS THE FUNDS TO MAINTAIN A DIFFERENT LEVEL OF SERVICE FROM THE REST OF THE CITY.
UH, AND WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY NOW GOING FORWARD, UH, TO FIND A COMPANY THAT'S GONNA PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES AT THE BEST PRICE.
UH, BUT FOR THE NEXT SIX MONTHS UNTIL THOSE COMPANIES ARE PRESENTED, THIS IS THE OPTION WE HAVE.
AND IT IS THE ONLY OPTION THAT WE HAVE.
SO, AS DISTASTEFUL AS THAT IS ON COST ANALYSIS, UH, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE A CHOICE IF WE ARE GONNA CONTINUE TO PROVIDE THIS LEVEL 1300 BAGS OF GARBAGE IN ONE MONTH, AMONG OTHER THINGS, UH, THE LANDSCAPING, UH, SOME REPAIR WORK, THE BIG VALLEYS, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LEFT WITH.
AND, UM, IT WILL NOT GET BETTER.
UH, 'CAUSE THAT'S THE NATURE OF WHAT THINGS COST IS.
SO THIS IS A SIX MONTH CONTRACT.
UM, UH, MY CONCERN IS THE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENS NEXT? UM, AND YOU SHOULD BE, IF, IF THEIR ECONOMICS HAVE CHANGED SO MUCH, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENED HERE, UM, THEN MAYBE THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, MORE COMPETITORS OUT THERE AND THERE.
AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW IS, IS THAT THAT IS BEING, UH, PUT TOGETHER AT THE CITY LEVEL.
UH, THEY, THEY WERE PUTTING OUT A REQUEST FOR R THAT'S THE PROCEDURE TO DO IT.
AND WE'LL BE PRESENTED WITH A NUMBER OF VENDORS THIS LEVEL OF, AND WE'RE MAKE, WE'RE GONNA HELP THE CITY MAKE THE CHOICES BY RECOMMENDING, UH, AT THIS TABLE WHAT WE FEEL IS THE BEST AVENUE, UH, FOR THIS LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, SO THAT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE AND WORK AND VISIT HERE, UH, CAN ENJOY WHAT CONSERVATION FOR HAS PROVIDED FOR THE LAST DECADE.
AND THAT'S, UH, MAYBE JUST A FOLLOW UP, SORRY, JUST A QUICK FOLLOW UP.
UM, SO HOW LONG DOES THE RFP TAKE? IT'S ALREADY IN THE PROCESS.
IT, IT, IT, NOW I'M NOT A CITY GUY.
I DON'T MAKE MY LIVING IN THIS MACHINE.
UH, BUT WHAT I HAVE LEARNED IN DOING THIS WORK FOR AS LONG AS I'VE DONE IT, UH, NUMBER ONE, WE HAVE TO SIT AND BE PATIENT BECAUSE THE CITY DOES WHAT THE CITY DOES.
UH, NUMBER TWO, IT TAKES LONGER THAN WE THINK.
WELL, THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT.
THAT I'VE BEEN THROUGH OUR P PROCESS.
AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE, IF IT TAKES LONGER THAN, THAN JUMP TO WHAT YOUR CONCLUSION IS, WHAT DO WE DO IN JUNE? WELL, WE WILL HAVE A CONVERSATION CONSERVATION BOARD, WHETHER, AND I'M NOT LOOKING HEADS AT THE MOMENT, SO I CAN'T TELL WHAT WAY THEY'RE GOING.
UM, BUT I, I, YOU KNOW, I DO KNOW THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT ALWAYS SEEMS TO WORK OUT.
UM, AND WE WILL NOT LEAVE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD
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WITH PILES OF GARBAGE IN, IN UNDERNEATH THE STREETS.WE WILL COME UP WITH A SOLUTION ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
BUT WE DO HAVE TO PAY FOR IT, WHICH IS THAT.
SO, AND THAT WAS, THAT WAS MY, MY OTHER, UH, QUESTION HERE IS, SO THE 300,000 THAT, WAS THAT FOR THE, UM, THE ENTIRE LIKE JANUARY TO NOW? OR WAS THAT FOR SIX MONTHS COMING DOWN? DO YOU, UH, RYAN, DO YOU KNOW THAT THE 300 WAS FOR A YEAR'S CONTRACT? THAT WAS FOR THE FULL YEAR? NO, I MEAN, NOW I'M TALKING ABOUT, SO HOW MUCH IS IN THE CURRENT, THE 2024 BUDGET THAT WE'VE GOT THAT, THAT WE PAID OUT OUT OF CONTRACT THAT WE OWE? UM, THAT I DON'T HAVE THE FIGURE FOR, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S PRO, I THINK IT WAS 80, 80,000 THAT WE PAID FOR AN EXTENSION OF SIX MONTHS LEFT FOR JUST THE WAIT, IT WAS, IT WAS AN EXTENSION, BUT NOT THE CONTRACT.
IT'S AN EXTENSION OF, IT'S AN EXTENSION OF SERVICES.
WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THIS.
UH, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER WE'RE ACTUALLY, I MEAN, IT'S, IT POSSIBLE THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY SAVING MONEY FROM THIS YEAR WITH THE, UH, IF IT WAS $500,000 FOR THE, FOR AN ENTIRE YEAR.
UM, SO NO, IT WILL BE MORE, IT WILL BE MORE THIS, THIS CURRENT YEAR.
MM-HMM,
AND IN YOUR 2025, UH, PROJECTIONS, UM, IS THIS INCLUDED IN THAT OR IS THIS GONNA BE IN ADDITION TO WHAT'S IN THE, THE BUDGET THAT YOU SHOWED THIS? THAT'S GOING TO BE ADDITION.
IN ADDITION, THIS WILL BE IN ADDITION TO WHAT'S THERE.
AND, UM, AGAIN, AT THIS RATE, IT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL HALF A MILLION DOLLARS FOR THE YEAR.
WELL, IT WOULD BE AN INCREASE OF ROUGHLY 250 TO 300,000.
IF CURRENTLY, IF WE FOLLOW THE LOGICAL ANALYSIS OF WHAT'S WE THINK IT'S GOING TO COST, IT WILL BE, YEAH.
THIS IS WHY WE HAVE, UH, THE TOTAL WILL BE 500, BUT 500 BE FOR THE YEAR.
COULD BE, BUT WE HAVEN'T SEEN THOSE NUMBERS.
SO THIS IS WHY WE RECOMMENDED TO CITY COUNCIL TO INCREASE, THIS IS WHY WE RECOMMEND THE CITY COUNCIL THINGS LIKE INCREASING HOURS.
BECAUSE WHILE WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST, WE KNOW IT IS GOING TO COST MORE THAN POTENTIALLY OUR REVENUE PRODUCES.
SO WE HAVE TO BE PROACTIVE KNOWING THAT, THAT ACROSS OUR SPECTRUM OF SERVICES, EVERYTHING GOES UP, THE SECURITY COST GOES UP, SPEED CLEANING GOES UP, STREET MAINTENANCE GOES UP.
EVERYTHING THAT WE, UH, DO WITH THE FUNDS, THOSE, THOSE COSTS GO UP.
NOW WE CAN DO AN OFFSET, AND WE HAVEN'T STARTED THE ANALYSIS YET, BUT I'LL, I'LL LET YOU START THINKING ABOUT IT.
UH, IF A NEW VENDOR COMES IN THAT ENCOMPASSES, UH, STEAM CLEANING AS PART OF WHAT THEY DO, UH, WE COULD POTENTIALLY SAY, UH, AS MUCH AS $120,000 ANNUALLY BY DROPPING TWO, INCORPORATE THAT INTO A NEW, UH, A NEW VENDOR.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF GIVE AND TAKE THAT, THAT WE'RE GONNA TRY TO, TO MOVE INTO, UH, THE NEW VENDOR'S POSITION.
AND THAT'S, AND I UNDERSTAND NOW, UM, WHEN, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE, THE NEXT ITEM THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST INCREASINGLY IN EVENING HOURS, UM, WOULD COVER THIS, I, AND WE'RE GONNA HEAR THESE ANALYTICS LATER THIS MORNING ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT KIND OF REVENUE WE CAN GENERATE BY EVEN ADDING ONE HOUR, UH, IN THE EVENING TIME TO THE METER, UH, UH, COLLECTION.
SO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO, TO MEET THE, THE, THE MEAT AND, AND IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT WE DO THAT.
BUT WE HAVE, RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE SOME TIE.
THE, THE LAST THING I'LL SAY, AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO MR. CASTRO, IS THAT IN THE REPORT THAT WE JUST SAW FOR REVENUE, WE'RE NOT SEEING A, A BIGGER PICTURE.
WE'RE SEEING A ONE MONTH SLICE OF WHAT THE CURRENT METER INCREASE IS GONNA PRODUCE.
UH, BUT THAT, THAT, UH, JUST THE LATEST INCREASE THAT MADE METER RATES IS GOING TO PRODUCE MORE REVENUE FOR US TO USE FOR THE INCREASED, UH, EXPENSE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
UH, COMMISSIONER CASTRO, THE QUESTION, JUST TRYING TO GET A LITTLE MORE CONTEXT, BECAUSE THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR, FOR SPEAKING TO US TODAY.
SO YOU'VE HAD MULTIPLE EXTENSIONS.
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IS NOT NEW.SO THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS HOW DO WE GET, I KNOW WE CAN'T CHANGE WHERE WE'RE AT, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, WHY IS IT TAKING SO LONG TO GET AN RFP ISSUED WHEN WE ARE, YOU KNOW, AT THE PRECIPICE OF NOW DOUBLING, YOU KNOW, COSTS? BECAUSE ULTIMATELY WE HAVE TO BEAR THAT COST.
SO WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE LEVER? WHAT'S OUR, WHAT ARE WE AS COMMISSIONERS ABLE TO DO TO HELP MOVE THAT PROCESS ALONG? BECAUSE ON ONE HAND WE'RE SAYING THAT WE HAVE SOME AGENCY IN MAKING RECOMMENDATION ON HOW WE'RE GONNA DO THIS TO MAKE IT MORE EFFECTIVE.
WELL, LEMME, LEMME CLARIFY THEN.
I'LL CERTAINLY ALLOW WELL, SO, BUT THE REST OF MY QUESTION IS EITHER WE ARE EITHER, EITHER, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT RECEIVING THE RFPS.
WE MIGHT SEE WHAT THEY FILTER BACK TO US, WHICH IS THEIR ROLE IS TO ISSUE THE RFP AND TO PUT THE PARAMETERS AROUND THE RFP.
AND PERHAPS WE GIVE INPUT ON THAT RFP TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THE, THE, THE BOXES ARE CHECKED AS FAR AS WHAT WE WANT.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE CITY IS RUNNING THAT PROCESS, IS HOW I'M UNDERSTANDING IT.
SO IF THEY'RE WRITING A PROCESS, WE'RE RECOMMENDING COMMISSION, WE DON'T MAKE THE FINAL DECISION.
UM, IT JUST SEEMS THAT WE KIND OF KICKED THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD.
I DON'T KNOW WHO, AND I'M NOT POINTING FINGERS.
I'M JUST SAYING, HOW ARE WE ASSURED THAT THE COSTS AREN'T GONNA GO WAY OUT OF WHACK IN THE MEANTIME? HOW DO WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE IT BY JUNE? YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT IS THE TIMELINE? YOU KNOW? AND THESE FOLKS HAVE DONE, YOU KNOW, A GREAT, GREAT JOB, OBVIOUSLY, AND THEY'VE WORKED WITH US AND WORKED WITH THE CITY.
SO, AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE PART OF THE RFP PROCESS.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'VE DECIDED? UH, NO.
SO THAT, THAT MAKES IT CHALLENGING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A ONE STOP HERE PRETTY MUCH, AND NOW, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POTENTIALLY UNBUNDLING, YOU KNOW, AND SOMEBODY HAS TO MANAGE THAT UNBUNDLE.
SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF CONSIDERATIONS WITH THIS.
I DON'T THINK IT'S SUPER STRAIGHTFORWARD, IS I DON'T SEE THE PATH TO SUCCESS RIGHT HERE.
I DON'T SEE THE PATH OF HOW WE GET FROM WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY TO JUNE, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT A, A VERY DETAILED TIMELINE OF WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN BY WHEN.
AND THAT IS JUST VERY IMPORTANT.
SO LET ME CLARIFY AND I'LL LET BRIAN MOVE IN.
UM, YOU ARE CORRECT AND YOU SHOULD BE CONCERNED BECAUSE WE DUNNO HOW LONG THE RFP PROCESS IS GONNA TAKE.
UM, THERE HAS BEEN INPUT BECAUSE WE HAD A COMMITTEE, UH, THAT WENT DOWNTOWN AND ADDED, UH, THE COMMISSION'S OPINION ON WHAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THAT RP.
SO WE HAVE DONE THAT AND WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT JUST SO CONNECTED THAT WE'RE RELIANT ON, UH, SOMETHING COMING OUR WAY AT SOME POINT.
UH, THERE IS MORE OF A STRUCTURED TIMELINE TO IT.
UH, BUT ANOTHER CONSIDERATION THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT FOR YEARS IS, IS THE CONSIDERATION THAT, UH, CONSERVATION CORPS HAS AFFORDED, UH, BELMONT SHORE, UM, IN, IN SERVICES THAT THEY PROVIDE DOVETAILING ON A LARGER CONTRACT THAT THEY HAVE WITH THE CITY OF LONG BEACH WAS MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
THIS NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BEEN A PET PROJECT, UH, AS IT WERE.
UH, I MEAN, MY WIFE AND I DO DATE NIGHTS ON THE STREET, SO I DON'T KNOW ABOUT PEP PROJECT, BUT YOU KNOW, IT IS, IT, WE'VE BEEN TREATED VERY, VERY WELL.
THEY DO A GREAT JOB ACROSS THE SPECTRUM, I'M CERTAIN, BUT I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY DO HERE.
AND, UH, THEY HAVE DONE A PHENOMENAL JOB.
AND PART OF OF THAT CONSIDERATION, UH, HAVE BEEN SOME SERVICES THAT THEY HAVE PROVIDED THAT, THAT THEY HAVE NOT CHARGED US FOR ON A LINE BY LINE BASIS.
SO ALL THINGS CONSIDERED, IF YOU'RE COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES, IF WE HAD A DIFFERENT VENDOR PROVIDING THESE SERVICES, WE KNOW FOR CERTAIN IT WOULD'VE COST, UH, A COUPLE, TWO, 300,000 MORE THAN TANK.
SO WE BENEFITED VERY, VERY MUCH FROM IT.
UH, AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, WE'VE BEEN GIVEN THE LATITUDE TO PROVIDE OTHER CRITICAL SERVICES LIKE THE SECURITY, UH, WHICH WE DON'T WANT TO COMPROMISE IF WE HAVE TO END UP PAYING MORE AND DON'T INCREASE REVENUE.
UH, SOMETHING'S GOTTA GET, UH, IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN A PAR LEVEL OF SERVICES THAT, THAT THE RESIDENTS, OPERATORS, UH, AND VISITORS HAVE EXPERIENCED, UH, WILL CONTINUE HOPEFULLY TO EXPERIENCE.
UH, WE HAVE TO MEET THAT WITH INCREASING REVENUE QUESTION REAL QUICK.
WELL, THERE'S GONNA BE AN ANSWER.
I HAVE TO CLARIFY THAT THAT DOESN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION.
WHAT'S THE DATE AND WHO'S, WHO'S DOING THE PRFP, WHAT'S THE DATE AND WHO'S IN CHARGE OF THAT'S IT, THAT'S IT.
THAT'S ALL, THAT'S ALL CENTRAL PURCHASING IS WORKING ON THE RFP SINCE IT'S NOT PUBLIC INFORMATION.
WE CAN'T, I DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON WHAT'S GOING NEXT OR WHEN THESE DATES ARE, IT IS WHAT CENTRAL PUR IS, WHAT CENTRAL PUR PURCHASING AND THE FINANCE TEAM.
BUT FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD, IT WILL TAKE
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AT LEAST SIX MONTHS TO COME UP WITH AN, AN OPTION, A VENDOR WHO THEY THINK WILL BE ABLE TO FIT THE SCOPE OF WORK AND AT, AT THE PRICE WE, AT THE PRICE THAT THEY PROVIDE.ONCE THEY GO OUT, THEY'VE GONE, THEY ARE WE PUBLIC? WE WE'RE THE PUBLIC IN THIS SCENARIO.
BUT FOR, FOR CENTRAL PURCHASING TO GO THROUGH THAT RFP PROCESS, IF PROPOSALS ARE ALREADY SUBMITTED, THEY CAN'T SHOW, THEY'RE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF GOING THROUGH ALL OF THAT.
AND THEY CAN'T, IT'S NOT A, WE'RE LETTING EVERYONE KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING FOR THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE NEXT STEPS ARE.
THE RRP HAS GONE OUT TO THE PUBLIC, IT'S RRP HAS GONE OUT.
BUT FROM NOW UNTIL THE END, I DON'T KNOW, I CAN'T GIVE LIKE SPECIFICS BECAUSE I, I'M SURE THERE HAS TO BE A TIMELINE WITH THE RFP BECAUSE I, I'VE DONE RFPS MYSELF, AND I'M SURE YOU HAVE MANY OF THIS HAVE, SO THERE SHOULD BE A TIMELINE FOR THE RFP THAT SAYS RRP ISSUED, PEOPLE INTERVIEWED, REVIEWED, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THAT.
I MEAN, I KNOW YOU'RE SAYING THE TARGET IS, IS SIX MONTHS, BUT FROM THE DATE THAT YOU KNOW, WHAT DAY ARE, YOU KNOW, WHEN ARE THEY DOING INTERVIEWS, WHAT ARE THEY DOING? VENDOR SELECTION, WHAT'S THE CRITERIA? BECAUSE IF THEY GET TO THE POINT WHERE THEY'RE ALREADY MAKING THE SELECTION, I'M NOT SURE WHAT OUR ROLE IS AT THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, IN TERM, AND I, I, I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE NO ONE HAS COMMUNICATED THAT, BUT I'M SURE THERE IS A ROLE.
I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW IT GETS FROM THERE TO US THEN BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL OR WHATEVER THE NEXT STEP IS.
IT JUST, IT, IT'S A LITTLE, THERE SHOULD BE A TIMELINE FOR, FOR ALL OF THAT.
AND, AND I KNOW THAT PART USUALLY IS PUBLIC, SO YEAH.
NO, THE TIMELINE SHOULD BE PUBLIC, BUT YEAH, WE ARE, I MEAN, THIS IS CLEARLY THE CITY COUNCIL'S DECISION, NOT OURS.
SO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE, THAT ARE GOING TO BE DOING ALL OF THAT.
BUT THE PUBLIC INFORMATION OF AN RFP SHOULD INCLUDE THE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT WAS RELEASED ON THIS DATE.
UH, APPLICATIONS ARE ACCEPTED UNTIL THIS DATE.
AND THEN WE GO INTO THE, THE REVIEW PROCESS OF JUST TOTALLY CONFIDENTIAL AND PRIVATE, RIGHT? MM-HMM,
YOU CAN SEE EVERYBODY THAT'S BIDDING.
THAT'S THE BIDDERS WANNA SEE THAT.
UM, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THE BIDDERS LIST.
SO I'M JUST SAYING SOME OF THESE THINGS, IT'S NOT JUST WE'RE HERE AND THEN, YOU KNOW, OH, JUNE, GUESS WHAT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WHERE, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE OUR ROLE IS AT BENNY IN THAT.
AND IF IT'S NOT, THEN WE SHOULDN'T THINK THAT WE DO HAVE A ROLE IN MAKING THAT SELECTION.
WELL, OUR CURRENT ROLE, UH, OUR CURRENT ROLE, IF, IF WE DON'T RECOMMEND AT THIS MEETING BASED ON THIS AGENDA ITEM TO ACCEPT CONSERVATION COURSE SIX MONTH RUN AT THIS, YES, WE ARE GONNA BE OUT OF SERVICE AND IT'S GONNA BE LEFT TO, UH, THE CITY TO PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES THROUGH PUBLIC.
UH, THERE, THERE'S NO, I UNDERSTAND THE ITEM AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.
I'M JUST GETTING CLARIFICATION ON THE NEXT STEP.
IF THAT'S A SEPARATE ITEM IN A SEPARATE MONTH, THEN FINE.
BUT I'M JUST SAYING IT'S KIND OF LIKE WALKING DOWN A TUNNEL AND NOT SEEING WHERE THE END OF THE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO LIGHT.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE END OF THE TUNNEL IS.
SO, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT A, A BUDGET, WITH BUDGET PROJECTIONS, I MEAN, WE DID TALK ABOUT THAT AT THE LAST MEETING, BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A BUDGET IN FRONT OF US WITH PROJECTED REVENUES.
I SEE THE REVENUES THAT ARE COMING UP, BUT AGAIN, WHERE ALL OF IT FITS, IT'S JUST KIND OF HAVING A BIG PICTURE UNDERSTANDING OF IT HELPS US MAKE DECISIONS TODAY, UM, ON, ON DOLLARS THAT WE'RE INVESTING.
AND, AND WE DO, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT SO LOOSE THAT WE DON'T KNOW ON AN ANNUAL BASIS WHAT WE HAVE TO SPEND.
WE KNOW THAT OUR, OUR, OUR PROJECTED REVENUE BASED ON LAST YEAR'S METER RATES AND HOURS OF OPERATION IS A LITTLE UNDER $1.2 MILLION.
AND WE CRAFT THE SERVICES TO FIT, UH, THAT, INCLUDING THE LONG PAYMENT THAT WE MAKE.
AND OUR, OUR GOAL HERE IS NOT TO CREATE SURPLUS, UH, OR MAKE MONEY.
SO WE TRY TO CHEW UP AS MUCH AS WE PROJECT.
UH, IF WE PLUG IN ROUGHLY 5, 5 50, $600,000, UM, WHAT RYAN IS GONNA GIVE US, UH, IN A FEW MINUTES IS A PROJECTION ON WHAT HOURS WILL, WILL PRODUCE REVENUE WISE.
THEN WE CAN KIND OF CRAFT, UH, IF WE'RE $1.4 MILLION, UH, THEN WE'RE GONNA KIND OF STEER, UH, REVENUE WHERE WE PROJECT, IT'S GOING TO GO IN THAT PERIOD OF TIME KNOWING THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE HAVE TO MAKE CRITICAL CUT SERVICES.
UM, WE KNOW WHERE THOSE CUTS ARE GONNA BE.
WELL, JUST ASSUMING, LET, JUST ASSUMING WE DON'T GET ANY ADDITIONAL
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REVENUE, I, WE LIKELY WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT.CAN WE AFFORD THIS? IF WE DO NOT INCREASE REVENUES, UH, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO OFFSET OTHER SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE AND WE'RE GONNA LOSE THAT FARM VALUE LIKE SECURITY POSSIBLE.
SO THE, THE ANSWER TO THE DIRECT QUESTION OF WHEN, UH, I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE A BETTER IDEA, AND I'M NOT TALKING ON SIDE OF MY FACE, I THINK JANUARY, UH, 'CAUSE WE'RE DARK IN DECEMBER.
I THINK COME JANUARY WE'RE GONNA HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF THE TIMEFRAME, UH, OF THE RFP PROCESS.
BY JANUARY WE SHOULD HAVE AT LEAST, UH, AN IDEA OF WHERE WE'RE WHERE THEY'RE GOING.
AND THEN WE ARE, SO FISCAL YEAR 2024 ENDS, UM, CLOSES AT THE END OF THIS MONTH.
SO YOU WILL ALSO SEE THE FULL PROJECTIONS IN JANUARY OF WHAT HAPPENED LAST YEAR TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHERE WE WERE AT LAST YEAR AND WHERE WE NEED TO LOOK AHEAD BECAUSE AS, AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE'RE GONNA BE USING MORE MONEY FOR THESE SERVICES, THESE THREE SERVICES.
UM, NO ONE LIKES TO BE IN THIS POSITION, BUT WE DON'T HAVE MUCH OTHER OPTIONS.
AND I'M JUST GONNA GO AND MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS, THE FULL SEVEN DAY, JUST TO KEEP ON TRACK AND KEEP GOING APPROVE.
I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE MY BUT TO APPROVE THE FULL SEVEN DAY SERVICE, I THINK THE LAST THING WE WANT IS TO LOSE THE SERVICES OF, OF CONSERVATION CORPS.
AND, UM, SORRY, DID YOU HAVE, DO YOU HAVE, I DON'T WANT TO INTERRUPT IF YOU HAVE THAT'S OKAY.
YOU MORE QUESTIONS BEFORE I MAKE ANYWAY, I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
APPROVE THE SIX MONTH CONTRACT FOR SEVEN DAY SERVICE.
YOU'RE MIRRORING UH, MY INITIAL RECOMMENDATION.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS? UM, NO, I, UH, COMMISSIONER LEE, I'M GOOD.
SO I THINK SHANNON HAD A QUESTION.
WELL, I ALMOST FORGOTTEN WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY
SO OUR RESPONSIBILITY ON THE COMMISSION IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SHORE LOOKS GREAT, NOT FILTHY.
IT JUST, ALL OF THIS CHATTER, IT'S JUST SO SIMPLE.
WE NEED THEM TO CONTINUE FOR SIX MONTHS AND IT TIES TO THE REASON, ONE OF THE REASONS WE NEED TO, UH, DO THE METER AND RAISE MORE MONEY.
EVERYTHING BUCKLE IN, EVERYTHING IN OUR LIFE IS GONNA GO SKY HIGH NEXT YEAR.
UH, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER COMMENTS? UH, GENTLE.
I OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT SECOND.
UH, YEAH, WE NEED A, UH, A SECOND ON THE MOTION.
IT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME IT IS THE CONSERVATION COURT NOT APPLIED IN THE RFP.
SO ARE WE LOSING THE CONSERVATION COURT AFTER SIX MONTHS BECAUSE I RESPONDENT TO THE RFP WILL TAKE OVER THE JOB.
I'M, ALL I CAN DO IS TAKE YOUR COMMENT, WHICH IS NOT AN EXCHANGE.
WELL, I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT QUESTION FOR THE COMMISSION TO UNDERSTAND IF WE ARE GOING TO LOSE THE CONSERVATION CORPS SERVICES.
WE'VE MADE THAT, WE'VE MADE THAT VERY CLEAR THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION.
THE CONSERVATION CORPS IS NOT GONNA BE PART OF THE RFD PROCESS.
AFTER SIX MONTHS, WE ARE GOING TO LOSE CONSERVATION COURT.
UH, ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS? YEAH, GOING OVER, I JUST MOVED HERE.
EVERY OTHER CITY IN THE WORLD I'VE EVER BEEN IN SANITATION, SANITATION IS A CITY RESPONSIBILITY AND THEY SHOULD BE PAYING FOR, IT SHOULD BE PART OF THE GENERAL BUDGET.
AND IF WE BUILD ON SHORE, WANT TO DO SOMETHING ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT, THAT, THAT'S GREAT.
PARKING DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE THE ONLY SOURCE OF REVENUE.
UH, ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? UH, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH GENTLEMEN.
UM, IN REFERENCE TO TIME, UH, I'LL MAKE A, A COMMENT.
ANYBODY HAS TO CHECK THAT METERS IF A,
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OKAY.DISCUSS INCREASING PARKING METER HOURS FROM 10:00 AM TO 7:00 PM UM, OR, UH, PUSHING HOURS FROM, UH, 9:00 AM BACK TO 8:00 AM UM, OR 9:00 PM ON THE BACKSIDE.
UH, AND ALSO PART OF THE DISCUSSION, UH, DID WE, DID WE ADD, UM, ADDING HOURS TO METER? IS THAT NOT IN THIS AGENDA? IS IT JUST THE TIME OR CAN YOU DO A DURATION AS WELL? THE TIME, THE, THE TIME OF THE HOURS.
SO NOT DURATION, BUT NOT DURATION.
SO RECOMMENDATION TO DISCUSS INCREASING PARKING METER HOURS FROM 10:00 AM TO 7:00 PM UH, TO ANY POSSIBLE TIMEFRAME.
UH, THAT TIMEFRAME WOULD BE, UH, CONSIDERATION TO, UH, OPENING METERS AT 8:00 AM INSTEAD OF, UH, 10:00 AM, UH, OR CLOSING METERS AT 9:00 PM AROUND AT 7:00 PM UH, EVERYTHING ELSE REMAINS STATIC.
UH, SO I, WE HAVE THE, UM, RECOMMENDATION OF THE MOTION, PLEASE.
UH, RYAN, UM, IF YOU PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT THE ATTACHMENT THAT SAYS BEAUMONT SHO.
ADDITIONAL METER HOURS FORECAST 60% OCCUPIED.
HANG ON, HANG ON, HANG ON, HANG ON, HANG ON.
THE LAST PAGE? YEAH, IT'S THE LAST THREE PAGES.
UM, SPECIFICALLY WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT THE 60% OCCUPIED TITLE.
SO WHAT THIS SHOWS IS THREE SCENARIOS.
WE HAVE A SCENARIO A, SCENARIO B, AND SCENARIO C CONSIDERING ADDITIONAL METER HOURS.
SCENARIO A IS EXTENDING THE MORNING TWO HOURS AND THE EVENING THREE HOURS.
SCENARIO B IS EXTENDING THE MORNING TWO HOURS AND THE EVENING TWO HOURS.
AND THEN SCENARIO C IS EXTENDING THE MORNING ONE HOUR AND THE EVENING ONE HOUR SCENARIO A, IF WE CHOOSE TO HAVE THE MORNING TIME FROM 8:00 AM STARTING AT 8:00 AM IT WOULD STARTING AT 8:00 AM AND THEN ENDING AT 10:00 PM IT WOULD GENERATE AN ADDITIONAL $1 MILLION IN REVENUE FOR THE YEAR.
SCENARIO B HAS TWO, TWO HOURS IN THE MORNING AND TWO HOURS IN THE EVENING EXTENDED.
SO SCENARIO B WOULD BE STARTING AT 8:00 AM IN THE MORNING AND ENDING AT 9:00 PM AT NIGHT.
SCENARIO B WOULD GENERATE AT 60% OCCUPIED.
IF ALL OF THOSE METERS WERE OCCUPIED 60% OF THE TIME, IT WOULD GENERATE AN ADDITIONAL $864,943 IN REVENUE FOR THE YEAR.
LASTLY, SCENARIO C WOULD BE EXTENDING ONE HOUR, ONE IN THE MORNING AND ONE IN THE EVENING.
SO THE HOURS FOR SCENARIO C WOULD BE 9:00 AM TO 8:00 PM AND EXTENDING THAT ONE HOUR WOULD BE AT 60% OCCUPIED.
IT WOULD GENERATE $436,579 FOR THE YEAR IF THEY DECIDE TO EXTEND JUST ONE HOUR.
AND THEN THAT ONLY INCREASES WITH THE NEXT, WITH THE NEXT SLIDE OR NEXT PAGES.
UM, I TO 80% OCCUPIED WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF WE CHOSE TO EXTEND FROM 8:00 AM TO 10:00 PM WOULD IT GIVE US 1.4 IN ADDITIONAL REVENUE? 1.4 MILLION ADDITIONAL REVENUE FOR THE YEAR.
IF WE CHOSE TO EXTEND 8:00 AM TO 9:00 PM IT WOULD GIVE US 1.1 ADDITIONAL MILLION ADDITIONAL REVENUE.
IF WE CHOSE TO EXTEND FROM 9:00 AM TO 8:00 PM IT WOULD GIVE US 582,105.
THAT'S IF 80% OF ALL THE METERS WERE OCCUPIED.
UM, LASTLY, THERE IS A LAST PAGE THAT HAS IT 100% OCCUPIED.
IDEALLY, IT'S NOT GONNA BE OCCUPIED 100% OF THE TIME, BUT THIS IS JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THE SCENARIO WOULD LOOK LIKE.
UM, AND IT WOULD ONLY INCREASE IT.
SO FOR STARTING AT 8:00 AM TO 10:00 PM WE GENERATE $1.7 MILLION OF ADDITIONAL REVENUE FOR THAT YEAR.
IF WE CHOSE TO DO THE HOURS OF 8:00 AM TO 9:00 PM IT WOULD GENERATE 1.4 MILLION.
WE CHOSE TO EXTEND 9:00 AM TO 8:00 PM IT WOULD GENERATE 727,000
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FOR THE YEAR.AGAIN, IT'S MOST LIKELY GOING TO BE BETWEEN 60 AND 80%.
UM, 100% OF THE TIME IS A LOT.
UM, BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT EVEN EXTENDING ONE HOUR IN THE MORNING AND ONE HOUR IN THE EVENING WOULD GENERATE AN ADDITIONAL, AT THE MINIMUM, 60% OCCUPIED WOULD GENERATE 436,000 FOR EVERYONE.
IF WE JUST DID 9:00 AM TO 8:00 PM ONE HOUR IN THE MORNING, ONE HOUR IN THE EVENING.
AND GOING TO MR. TONI'S QUESTION EARLIER, WHAT'S THE MEAN AVERAGE, UH, THAT WE'RE COLLECTING REVENUE TO? IS IT 60%? IS THAT ROUGHLY 60 TO 80, 60 TO EIGHT? WELL, THINK IN THE MORNINGS THOUGH.
I, I DON'T HAVE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE LOTS BEHIND, THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH 80% EMPTY, IF NOT MORE IN THE MORNING.
AND THAT'S WHENEVER THE PARKING'S FREE.
I MEAN, WE KNOW WHERE, SO MORE OF THE PUNCH IS GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE THE EVENING, I THINK WANT AN ACCURATE REPRESENTATION.
WE'D DO LIKE A, THE MORNING AT EACH HOUR WOULD BE LIKE 30% OFF.
I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT I SPOKE WITH THE LAS, HE WHO WORKED WITH, UM, THE METERS AROUND HERE.
UM, THEY DID SAY OCCUPANCY PERCENTAGE IS USUALLY OFF JUST BECAUSE THEY CAN'T DETERMINE WHEN A PERSON LEAVES AND WHEN THEY, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, THEY CAN'T, IF THEY PAY FOR AN HOUR AND THEY LEAVE AFTER 20 MINUTES, THEY, THERE'S NO WAY FOR THEM TO KNOW THAT.
SO OCCUPANCY PERCENTAGES ARE USUALLY OFF.
UM, SO IT, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT TO GAUGE THAT, BUT EVEN AT 60%, THERE'S ADDITIONAL REVENUE THAT CAN BE GENERATED CERTAINTY WITH THESE, WITH THIS REPORT CERTAINTY IS THAT WE, THESE HOURS MM-HMM.
WE ARE GOING TO INCREASE REVENUE, UH, WHICH THROUGH THE LAST CONVERSATION WE HAD, WE KNOW IT'S CRITICAL.
TO PROVIDING, CONTINUING TO PROVIDE PAR SERVICES TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, MY INITIAL RECOMMENDATION WE'RE, GO AROUND THE TABLE.
FIRST OF ALL, WE ARE NOT GONNA MAKE A FINAL RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL TODAY.
UH, I SUGGEST THAT WE, UH, CONTINUE THIS THROUGH JANUARY AND WITH THE ANTICIPATION THAT AT THE JANUARY MEETING, WE'LL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON AN HOUR INCREASE TO GIVE US ALL PLENTY OF TIME, UH, TO DO THESE ANALYTICS AND ASK QUESTIONS.
UM, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE WHEN WE AROUND THE ROAD, UH, THAT WE DO NOT INCREASE THE WARNING BECAUSE THAT'S MORE, UH, OBVIOUSLY DISRUPTIVE TO RESIDENTS.
UM, UH, THEY'RE MOVING AROUND DOING, UH, ERRANDS AND GETTING COFFEE.
UM, I THINK IT'S MORE CRITICAL THAT WE, UH, CAPITALIZE ON EVENING HOURS, UH, WHICH IS PEOPLE VISITING THE SHORE, UM, AND, UH, WITH THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER LINK.
SO, YEAH, NO, THAT'S, THAT WAS ACTUALLY MY INITIAL THOUGHT IS WE GET A BIGGER BANG FOR THE BUCK IN THE EVENINGS, AND THE, THE MORNINGS ARE MUCH MORE FOR RESIDENTS DOING ERRANDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, AND YEAH, I WENT THROUGH MOST OF THESE, UH, KIND OF, UH, YOU KNOW, SEE, YOU CAN SEPARATE OUT, UH, RYAN DID A GOOD JOB OF, UM, THE EVENING HOURS AND THE, THE MORNING HOURS, SO YOU CAN, UM, PRETTY EASILY SEE WHAT THOSE RESULTS WOULD BE.
UM, SO, UM, ANYWAY, THAT I'M, I'M ANXIOUS TO HEAR THE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT.
THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF MY INITIAL THOUGHT GOING IN.
UH, COMMISSIONER ME, I, I AGREE THAT, UH, OR WE HAVE BIGGER BANG FOR THE BUCK AS OF THE EVENINGS VERSUS THE MORNINGS.
SO GIVE THAT COURTESY TO OUR RESIDENTS IN THE MORNING, CONTINUE TO GIVE THAT COURTESY TO THE RESIDENTS, AND THEN TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE VISITING THE SHORE AND UTILIZING, YOU KNOW, THE SERVICES WE HAVE HERE, UM, TO CAPITALIZE ON THAT INCOME.
'CAUSE CLEARLY WITH OUR PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS, THIS ISN'T AN OPTION NOT TO DO IT, UM, BECAUSE IT WILL NOT BE, UM, GO OVER WELL WITH THE COMMUNITY IF WE LIMIT OR WE PULL BACK ON SERVICES THAT THEY'VE COME TO EXPECT.
SO OBVIOUSLY IT COMES AT A COST AND WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE MANAGE THAT COST.
COMMISSIONER CASTRO, WELL, THANK YOU FOR PREPARING THIS.
UM, I WOULD SAY, I THINK WE COULD LOOK AT ANOTHER SCENARIO, UH, MAYBE ONE HOUR IN THE MORNING BECAUSE NINE O'CLOCK, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE, WOULD BE FAIR.
SO WE DO ONE HOUR IN THE MORNING AND TWO HOURS AT NIGHT.
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LOOK AT THAT ONE.UM, I DON'T THINK ONE HOUR IN THE MORNING IS A HUGE IMPACT TO THE RESIDENTS.
IF YOU DO, YOU KNOW, NINE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, YOU KNOW, THOSE PEOPLE HAVE RUN THEIR ERRANDS AND HAVE THEIR COFFEE OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE.
UM, THAT, THE OTHER THING IS, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE DID WANT TO BE A LITTLE MORE COMPLEX AND A LITTLE MORE ACCURATE, YOU COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE COMMISSIONER ANI SAID, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY DO SOME KIND OF, UH, YOU KNOW, WRITE A LITTLE SCRIPT, YOU KNOW, THAT SAYS AT THESE ASSUMPTIONS, YOU KNOW, FOR ASSUMPTION OF THIS MANY HOURS AT THIS MANY, YOU KNOW, I, 'CAUSE WE'RE JUST, IT'S PRETTY BROAD, RIGHT? 60, 80, YOU KNOW, I, IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO TELL EXACTLY WHAT IT WOULD BE.
AND THE OTHER THING IS THE SUNDAY, YOU KNOW, SATURDAY, 'CAUSE I'M NOT SURE WHERE THAT'S REPRESENTED HERE.
YOU KNOW, THE SUNDAY EVENING, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT, ISN'T IT ON THE WEEKENDS OR NO, IT'S SEVEN DAYS, RIGHT? WELL, IT'S SEVEN DAYS.
AND I THINK THE, THE, THE INCORPORATION OF THE, THE, WHAT HE'S GIVING YOU IS THE LEAN AVERAGE OCCUPANCY AUTO METERS, WHICH, RIGHT.
THE FOLLOW UP QUESTION WAS WHAT, WHAT IS THE ACTUAL NUMBER? THE CITY WILL TELL US THAT IT'S BETWEEN 60 AND 80%.
ARE THE HOURS DIFFERENT THOUGH, ON SUNDAY? I'M JUST ASKING.
SO, SO EVERYTHING'S THE SAME, 10 TO SEVEN EVERY DAY.
TO YOUR POINT, WE CAN EXTRAPOLATE THAT BECAUSE, AND I LIKE HOW YOU BROKE IT DOWN, BECAUSE YOU COULD TAKE THE ONE HOUR MORNING AND, AND TAKE THAT OUT AND IT'S LIKE, BE LIKE 200 GRAND AND YOU TAKE THE, YOU KNOW, TWO HOUR, YOU KIND OF LIKE MIX AND MATCH 'EM AGAIN.
UH, COMMISSIONER GOT, UH, I'M HESITANT ABOUT THE ONE HOUR IN THE MORNING, ONLY BECAUSE ON WEEKENDS IF PEOPLE GET, GET A LITTLE BIT LATER, MAYBE I DON'T WANNA DO ANYTHING TO IRRITATE THE, THE RESIDENTS HOMEWORK.
UM, BUT I'M DEFINITELY FOR THE EVENING, THAT'S WHERE IT'S GONNA BE THE BEST SOURCE OF REVENUE.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY, SO I'M NOT FOR AT ALL.
I THINK THAT EVEN THOUGH WE'VE INCREASED METER RATES, WE ARE DOWN 1% REVENUE.
I THINK THIS IS JUST A DIFFERENT WORK UP.
THANK YOU FOR CORRECTING THAT.
BUT ANYWAY, IF, IF WE DID, LIKE, JUST EXTRAPOLATE HERE THE EVENING, UH, AND YOU TAKE JUST THOSE EVENING CHANGES OUT ON THE 60% ONE THE EVENING, SEVEN TO 10 FOR THE LOTS OF THE STREET, THOSE TWO ADD UP TO LIKE JUST OVER 600 GRAND.
SO LIKE, IF WE'RE TRYING TO QUANTIFY WHAT THE CHANGE MEANS, IF WE WENT TO 10:00 PM YOU KNOW, AND IF IT WAS 60% OCCUPIED, IF THAT'D BE 600,000 IN REVENUE.
SO 10:00 PM UH, IS NEW AS OF THIS MORNING.
UM, OUR PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS WERE NINE, WERE 9:00 PM UH, SO I APPRECIATE THE
UM, I THINK WE CLEARLY, UH, NEED TO CONSIDER THAT AS WELL.
UH, IF YOU DO A COMPARISON FROM OTHER, UH, CITIES IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, THEIR BEACH FRONT, LONG BEACH IS, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA SEE A VERY MIX, UM, FROM ZERO, UH, WHICH IS SEAL BEACH DOES NOT HAVE METERS, UH, TO, UH, HUNTINGTON BEACH OR, OR MOST OF THESE FROM MANHATTAN BEACH.
I'M SURE THAT THEY HAVE METERS THAT GO INTO LATER IN THE EVENING, 2:00 AM AT 2:00 AM.
UM, AND THEY EVEN HAVE DYNAMIC PRICING, UH, WHICH IS ANOTHER WAY TO YOUR CUSTOMERS.
UM, AND I WANNA BE TRANSPARENT HERE.
I WANT THIS COMMISSION TO BE TRANSPARENT.
UH, I WILL ADD TO THE CONVERSATION THAT I VISITED THE FRIENDS OF BELMONT SHORE MEETING, UH, AND MADE A PRESENTATION TO THAT GROUP.
UH, I VISITED THE RESIDENTS ASSOCIATION, MADE A PRESENTATION TO THAT GROUP.
UH, AND MY, MY ASK WAS THE SAME AT BOTH.
IT WAS A PLEA, ACTUALLY, I BEGGED, UH, TO HAVE AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE COME AND WEIGH IN ON THIS THIS MORNING.
UH, WE DID A BLAST THROUGH THE BUSINESS ASSOCIATION, SO THAT WENT TO ROUGHLY 300 MEMBERS, UH, OF WHICH, UH, EMPLOYEES WOULD'VE SEEN IT TOO.
SO THAT IS HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME TODAY AND RENDER AN OPINION.
AND I'M SORRY TO SAY, I'M JUST NOT SEEING, UH, A WHOLE LOT OF COMMUNITY, UM, ROLLBACK ON THIS, UH, PUSHBACK ON IT.
UH, THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY I THINK WE NEED TO WAIT
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UNTIL JANUARY TO MAKE A FORMAL, UH, RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY.UH, I'M NOT STANDING ALONE HERE.
UM, THAT'S WHY YOU GUYS ARE HERE WITH ME.
THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS, UM, AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE, UH, TODAY, YOU, YOU FOLKS CARE ABOUT THIS.
SEVERAL OF YOU COME TO EVERY MEETING AND YOUR VERY, YOUR COMMENTS MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT AND WHAT WE, UH, RECOMMEND.
UM, BUT I CAN'T BE ANY CLEARER.
I HAVE MADE, UM, APPEARANCES IN GROUPS TO PLEASE COME AND WEIGH IN ON THIS.
AND YOU WOULD THINK THAT, THAT PEOPLE WOULD, WOULD EITHER, UH, HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT IT OR NOT.
I'M NOT SAYING PEOPLE DON'T HAVE AN OPINION, AND I KNOW THAT THIS IS NOT THE MOST CONVENIENT TIME TO HAVE A MEETING AT NINE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING DURING BUSINESS DAY.
UM, BUT I ALSO LEFT EMAIL, UH, CONDUITS.
AND, UH, THERE'S NO SHORTAGE OF WAYS TO GET IN TOUCH WITH EITHER THE COUNCILMAN'S OFFICE OR, UH, THIS GROUP THROUGH EMAIL.
UH, WHICH IS WHY I THINK WE NEED TO GIVE IT ANOTHER, ANOTHER PERIOD OF TIME SO THAT WE CAN GET THIS RIGHT.
UM, SO WE'VE HEARD COMMISSIONERS, UH, WE HAVE A MOTION, WE HAVE A SECOND, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT, JULIE.
UM, SO I JUST WANNA SAY YOU'RE ALL FOCUSING ON RESIDENCE PARKING ON SECOND STREET, BUT NOT FOCUSING ON VISITORS.
AVOIDING PAYING THAT PARKING BY TAKING UP OUR PARKING ON OUR STREETS.
THAT WASN'T MENTIONED AT ALL JUST NOW.
UM, WHICH ALSO LEADS TO NO FOCUS ON RESIDENTS COMING HOME FROM WORK AND BEING UNABLE TO FIND PARKING NEAR THEIR HOMES BECAUSE VISITORS DON'T WANT TO PAY PARKING ON SECOND STREET AND ARE PARKING IN THEIR, YOU KNOW, IN FRONT OF THEIR HOMES AND STUFF.
UM, ALSO, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE PARKLET METER FUNDS, WHICH ARE AT 100%.
ARE THOSE 100% FUNDS GOING TO GO TO THE BELMONT TRUCK PARKING COMMISSION? AND IF SO, THAT'S AN INCREASE IN FUNDS, UM, BECAUSE IT IS AT A HUNDRED PERCENT.
AND DOES IT START FROM THE DAY THOSE SPOTS GO OUT OF COMMISSION, WHICH IS THE DAY THEY ARE BLOCKED FOR BUILDING THE PARK LIST.
SO, I DON'T KNOW, RYAN, IF YOU CAN FIND THAT OUT, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
WE'RE, WE'RE HEARING, WE'RE HEARING COMMENTS.
THIS IS NOT AN EXCHANGE, I JUST TO REMIND YOU.
UM, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO KNOW AND WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FIND OUT.
UM, NO ONE'S ADVISED ON THAT, SO THAT WOULD BE GREAT TO KNOW.
ANY OTHER PUBLIC TIME TO GET MA? YEAH, I, I, COULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND WHERE YOU LIVE? ESELLA TANK DOOR, AND I LIVE WITH JASON TO SECOND STREET, AND I NEED THE COMMISSIONERS TO KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE ON STREET SWEEPING DAY.
NORMALLY BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET ARE FULL OF CARS, BUT THAT CAN'T HAPPEN ON THURSDAY AND FRIDAY, SO WE RELY ON THAT LITTLE LOT.
THE STREET SWEEPER COMES BETWEEN NINE 20 AND NINE 40, SO WE'VE GOT A 20 MINUTE GRACE PERIOD, WHICH IS WHAT GETS US BY ON THURSDAY AND FRIDAY.
WE CAN FISH OUR CARS OUT AFTER NINE 40 AND PUT 'EM BACK ON THE SIDEWALK.
IT'S ALSO REALLY TOUGH TO GET PARKING AFTER FIVE O'CLOCK BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME POPULAR RESTAURANTS AND THE WORKERS AND PATRONS LIKE TO PARK ON THE STREET, NOT ON THE METERS.
SO I CAN SCOOT IN AFTER FIVE O'CLOCK AND I CAN PAY THE TWO HOURS, WHICH WILL GET ME THROUGH TO 7:00 PM I REALLY NEED THAT TIME TO STAY.
MY NEIGHBORS THAT ARE WORKING NINE TO FIVE JOBS AND CAN'T MAKE IT HERE TODAY.
THAT'S REALLY CRITICAL FOR US.
AND AS I MENTIONED TO YOU AT THE RESIDENCE ASSOCIATION, MY SUGGESTION IS TO GET RID OF SECURITY.
WE'RE NOT GETTING $385 WORTH OF VALUE FROM SECURITY.
I MADE THAT COMMENT PUBLICLY AND LATER I WAS TOLD THAT SECURITY NO, NO.
IN THE ROOM, WE WERE ADVISED THAT THIS SECURITY CSI SAVES LIVES LATER.
I HAD AN ANECDOTE THAT EXPLAINED THAT COMMENT, AND IT WAS ABOUT THE CSI SECURITY FINDING A DRUNK PERSON IN THE ALLEY, AND THE DRUNK PERSON COULD HAVE BEEN HIT BY A CAR.
SO THEY FISHED THAT PERSON OUT, TOOK HIM OUT OF THE ALLEY.
THAT IS NOT SAVING LIVES, THAT IS HELPING TO PREVENT THE POSSIBILITY OF AN ACCIDENT.
THOSE ARE TWO VERY DIFFERENT THINGS.
AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, I DON'T SEE HOW THE COMMUNITY HAS THE FINANCIAL BURDEN OF AIDING THE OVERSERVED.
THAT RESPONSIBILITY GOES TO THE BAR OR THE RESTAURANT THAT PROFITED FROM THE OVER SERVING.
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A RESPONSIBILITY THAT WE AS A COMMUNITY NEED TO FUND.I THAT COMPLETELY DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE.
AND IT'S AN OVERSTRETCH OF WHAT SECURITY IS SUPPOSED TO DO.
IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO FISH DRUNK PEOPLE OUT OF THE ALLEY AND TAKE 'EM OUT OF HARM'S WAY.
ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT, MR. COCHRAN? UH, THANK YOU.
UH, FIRST OFF, I WANT TO PREFACE BY SAYING, I'M GONNA TEMPER MY COMMENTS A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE OF THE, THE PREFACE YOU PUT ONTO THE LAST STATEMENT, WHICH IS REFLECTIVE OF, I THINK IS A GENUINE COMMUNITY INTEREST AND YOUR DESIRE TO GET INPUT.
AND I SEE THAT, AND I SAW WHAT YOU DID WITH THE MEETINGS THAT YOU DID PREVIOUSLY.
SO I'M GONNA TEMPER WHAT IS UTTER FRUSTRATION? UTTER ANGER, IRE AMAZEMENT AT THIS PROCESS THAT'S COME TO THIS POINT.
UM, THE READING IS DON'T SEE PEOPLE HERE IS BECAUSE THEY DON'T THINK FROM THE WAY THAT YOU'VE COMMUNICATED IT, AS APPROVED AS AN ENTITY THAT THIS MATTER, THE ITEM SAYS, DISCUSS INCREASING PARKING METER REVENUES TO A NEW POSSIBLE TIMEFRAME, DOESN'T INDICATE A DECISION WOULD BE FORTHCOMING TODAY.
YOU, NONE OF THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO WERE THERE LAST WEEK SAW THIS AS AN URGENT MEETING TO, TO VIEW THIS.
THAT'S WHY DEFERRING TO JANUARY SEEMS LIKE A GREAT IDEA TO A NUMBER OF POINTS.
SOME OF THE OTHER RESIDENTS WHO RAISED IT FEELS VERY MUCH TO THE COMMUNITY, LIKE THE LACK OF PLANNING BY THIS ENTITY IN THE PAST TO LEAD UP TO THIS MOMENT IS ALLOWING YOU TO PRETEXT TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS DECISION.
I, I HEARD COMMISSIONER GAS JUST ESSENTIALLY THROW UP HER ARMS AND SAY, WELL, IT'S COMING TO THIS.
WE'RE ALL GOING BITE THE, THE CRAP SANDWICH AT THIS POINT.
THAT'S REFLECTIVE OF THE FACT THAT THERE'S BEEN NO PLANNING TO ANTICIPATE THE CONSERVATION CORES NEEDS AS IT DEVOLVED OVER FOUR PLUS PERIODS.
THAT SEEMS TO BE NOT A CONTINGENCY IN BUDGETING TO THIS DATE.
UM, IT HASN'T BEEN CONVEYED TO THE PUBLIC.
THE OUTREACH YOU DID WAS COMMENDABLE, BUT AT NO POINT WAS THE CONSERVATION COURT ISSUE, WHICH IS A CORNERSTONE OF ONE OF HEALTH SAFETY AND CLEANLINESS ON SECOND STREET, BEEN PUT FORWARD TO THE PUBLIC.
THAT WOULD'VE CHANGED THE TEMPER OF THAT FOR SURE.
AND I WANNA POINT OUT, AS, AS OTHERS HAVE DONE IT, THAT CHANGING YOUR DESIRES OF WHAT YOU NEED IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOU WANT.
THIS SHINY NEW SIGNAGE AT $500,000 IS A FAR DEFERRED NEED AT THIS POINT.
IF YOU EVEN WANT TO QUALIFY AS THAT, WE KNOW THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS THAT CAN BE PUT FORWARD.
LET'S TAKE THAT THE TABLE AND SAVE THAT 500 GRAND FOR ANOTHER COUPLE YEARS.
LET'S LOOK AT THE DEBT SERVICE THAT TAKES $200,000 FOR YOUR BUDGET EVERY YEAR.
LET'S AGAIN, NOT SPEND MONEY ON YOU SECURITY.
THAT JUST CREATES AN ILLUSION OF SAFETY AND, AND SECURITY AND DOESN'T AFFECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE COMMUNITY AS IT'S ENGAGED THERE.
IT'S JUST A, A PRESENTATION THAT MAKES YOU FEEL GOOD ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING THERE.
I APPLAUD THE NEW COMMISSIONERS AND OTHERS FOR ASKING HARD QUESTIONS HERE, BUT I'M APPALLED TO SEE THAT WE'VE REACHED THIS POINT, AS I THINK SOME OF THEM ARE.
BUT TO PUT THIS THROUGH NOW AND NOT LOOK AT THIS IN A MORE ROBUST WAY, IT IS JUST A, UH, A LACK OF PROCESS AND, AND A FAILING.
ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? WELL, AS MELINDA COTTON, I'VE BEEN HERE ABOUT 40 YEARS, AS WE KNOW BELMONT SURE HAS ALWAYS BEEN PARKING IMPACTED, AND THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN ADDITIONAL PRESSURE COMING YEAR AFTER YEAR FROM ADDITIONAL BARS, RESTAURANTS OVER THE LAKE.
SO THE PARKING IMPACTS ON THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY KEEP INCREASING AND INCREASING.
RIGHT NOW, WE'RE LOSING SPACES TO PARKLETS, UH, WITH THE INCREASE IN RATES ON THE METERS.
PEOPLE ARE MORE PRO TO WANNA PARK WHERE THEY CAN PARK FOR FREE.
IT'S A LOS ANGELES LONG BEACH, EVERY PLACE TRADITION THAT YOU GO FOR FREE PARKING IF YOU POSSIBLY CAN.
AND THERE'S ADDITIONAL, BESIDES RE UH, VISITORS AND EMPLOYEES PARKING.
WE LIVE A HALF BLOCK FROM SECOND STREET.
WE'VE ALSO GOT DELIVERY TRUCKS NOW THAT ARE BLOCKING THE STREETS, HAVE NO PLACE TO PARK.
THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER CAME HERE PROPOSING THAT THEY'RE NEEDED TO BE A PLAN FOR WHERE THE DELIVERY TRUCKS AND HUGE BEER TRUCKS AND THINGS COULD PARK.
AND WHAT WE HAVE ARE MORE TRUCKS COMING INTO THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS, BLOCKING THE ALLEYS AND CONTINUING LOCATIONS WOULD BLOCK THE BUS STOP.
AND PART OF YOUR BUDGET DOES NOT SEEM TO INCLUDE THE FIVE OR $600,000 THAT THE PROPOSED GAVE MY SPINE IS GOING TO COST.
WHERE IS THAT MONEY COMING FROM? ARE YOU GOING TO INCREASE THEN THE METERS, OR ARE YOU GOING TO EXTEND THE HOURS IN ORDER TO PAY FOR THAT? THERE'S NO PLAN FOR THAT.
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A LOT TO DISCUSS.UH, DO WE KNOW THAT, UH, ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? YES, SIR.
I, I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT, THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, UH, SOURCES OF REVENUE.
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE FACING A BUDGET, YOU KNOW, PROBLEM.
AND I, I, I COMPLETELY GET THAT.
I JUST WANNA REMIND YOU ALL THAT.
UH, MOST OF THE HOUSES WERE BUILT BACK IN THE 1920S.
WE HAVE ALLEYWAYS TO MODEL TO, UH, GARAGES THAT WERE BUILT FOR MODEL TS.
AND WE HAVE NO CHOICE BUT THE PARK ON THE STREET.
UH, AND IT'S OUR LIVES, IT'S OUR HOMES.
WE COME BACK FROM WORK, WE CAN'T FIND PARKING.
UH, WE PUT IT IN THE LOT, WE PUT MONEY IN THE METER, YOU KNOW, OH GOSH, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUARTERS.
UH, WHERE DID I PUT MY CREDIT CARD NOW? TRYING TO GET, GET ME TO SEVEN O'CLOCK SO I CAN PARK OVERNIGHT.
EXTENDING THE HOURS TO 10:00 PM NOW I HAVE TO COME OUT AT EIGHT O'CLOCK AND PUT MONEY IN THE METER.
SO NOW I HAVE A PLACE TO PARK OVERNIGHT SO I CAN GET TO WORK TOMORROW MORNING.
SO JUST ASKING YOU TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, SYMPATHY FOR THE RESIDENCE.
UH, ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? WE HAVE, UH, A MOTION, WE HAVE A SECOND.
UH, WE HAVE RECOMMENDATION, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU RECOMMEND, WE ARE, WE ARE GOING TO, UH, MOVE THE ITEM TO JANUARY.
WITH MORE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE, UH, ON A POTENTIAL RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL, UH, ON A FINAL PACKAGE OF, UH, OUR CHANGES ON THE METERS, UH, IN THE DIRECTION OF INCREASING REVENUE.
UH, SO WE CONTINUE TO PROVIDE SERVICES TO THAT.
I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, UM, PLEASE, THE MOTION OR THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO DISCUSS WHAT WE'RE DOING.
AND THEN THE ITEM YOU'RE BRING FORTH IN JANUARY IS HAVE DIFFERENT VERBIAGE, DIFFERENT ITEM.
SO WE'RE NOT LAYING THIS ITEM OVER OR ANYTHING.
WE'RE JUST COMPLETING OUR DISCUSSION.
SO, UH, CAN I HAVE ONE PLEASE? ONE ADDITION TO FOR JANUARY, I DO THINK WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT IT IN THE CONTEXT OF THE OVERALL BUDGET.
IT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY.
I REMEMBER I BROUGHT UP LAST TIME, AND I KNOW IT TAKES TIME TO PREPARE EVERYTHING, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, OTHERWISE WE'RE MAKING IT INTO A, IN A VACUUM WHERE THERE ARE FORECASTED EXPENSES OR FORECASTING REVENUES.
AND THAT WILL HELP US MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION BECAUSE I LOVE THE IDEA OF BEING COMMUNITY FRIENDLY AND MORE RESTRICTIONS.
THE MORE HOURS THINGS WE PUT ON, IT IMPACTS EVERYBODY.
AND IF WE CAN DO SOMETHING ELSE, I WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT.
BUT I'LL, UH, I WILL, UH, MAKE SOME EFFORTS WITH, UH, CITY STAFF TO, UH, HAVE A BUDGET PROPOSAL, UH, PROJECTION FOR THE JANUARY MEETING.
UH, SO THAT'S DULY KNOWN AS WELL.
SO THE ONLY THING WE'RE DOING WITH ITEM SEVEN, UM, WE HAD A RECOMMENDATION TO DISCUSS INCREASING.
ALL IN FAVOR? UH, LAST OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
UH, YES, JULIE? UM, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA IF OUR RESIDENT COMMISSIONER, UM, COULD ATTEND THE MONTHLY BELMONT STAR RESIDENCE ASSOCIATION MEETING TO GIVE UPDATES AND HEAR FROM RESIDENTS TO BE ABLE TO, UM, TO BE ABLE TO REPRESENT THEM.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE COMMENT.
UH, MR. COCHRAN, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO URGE ON ALL FRONTS TODAY.
YOU OPEN UP THE POSSIBILITIES TO SOME BRAINSTORMING ABOUT REVENUE STREAMS AND WHERE THOSE IMPACTS ARE BIG AND WHERE THEY COME FROM, SO THAT WE'RE NOT JUST RACING DOWN A PATH THAT'S THE NARROW ONE PRESENTED AT THE MOMENT.
I THINK THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS IN THE COMMUNITY WOULD CERTAINLY HAVE AN ENGAGED, UH, POSITION ON THAT, BUT YOU NEED TO CREATE THOSE FORUMS FOR THAT TO HAPPEN.
WHY IS IT THE BARINGS COMMISSION TO SOLVE THIS CITY BUDGET PROBLEM? RIGHT.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IN EVERY OTHER CITY THAT, UH, THESE ISSUES ARE GENERALLY TAKEN CARE OF IN THE GENERAL FUND AND NOT BY A LOCAL PARKING COMMISSION.
UM, WITH THAT, UH, I MOVE TO ADJOURN, UH, YOUR MOTION.