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EVENING EVERYONE.UM, WE'LL GET STARTED IN JUST A FEW MINUTES.
IT IS A FEW MINUTES AFTER SIX, BUT WE'RE DEALING WITH SOME, UM, TECHNICAL ISSUES RELATED TO THE ZOOM PLATFORM FOR THOSE WHO MAY BE LOOKING TO ATTEND VIRTUALLY.
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ALL RIGHT.[CALL TO ORDER]
THE CULTURAL COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING AND TO ORDER FOR NOVEMBER 21ST, 2024.[ROLL CALL]
CALL THE ROLL.COMMISSIONER BODAK PRESENT, COMMISSIONER HUNTER, COMMISSIONER PADILLA PEREZ PRESENT.
COMMISSIONER PRYOR, VICE CHAIR GFE, PRESENT CHAIR MCW.
COMMISSIONER HUNTER IS AN EXCUSED ABSENCE FROM THE MEETING.
UM, UNEXCUSED A UNEXCUSED ABSENCES ARE COMMISSIONER MAGU AND COMMISSIONER PRYOR, ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? OKAY, SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE ALONG.
UH, NOW WE WILL, UH, STAND FOR
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THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.DO YOU WANNA START US? IT IS NOW TIME FOR SWEARING OF WITNESSES.
IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE GIVING TESTIMONY, PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR TO AFFIRM THAT THE EVIDENCE YOU SHALL GIVE IN THIS CULTURAL HERITAGE COMMISSION MEETING SHALL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? THANK YOU.
SO, UH, SO REGULAR AGENDA, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS
[1. 24-55694 Recommendation to receive and file Director’s Report. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]
TO RECEIVE THE, AND FILE A DIRECTOR'S REPORT.I, I MOVE TO RECEIVE THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT.
I BELIEVE WE'RE LOOKING FOR A SECOND SO WE CAN HEAR THE ITEM.
UH, COMMISSIONER PETE, I SECOND.
ALRIGHT, MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO HEAR THIS ITEM? UM, IT HAS BEEN MOVED AND SECOND AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER, UM, PIZO AND MOVED BY COMMISSIONER BODEK.
I WILL TURN THINGS OVER TO THE STAFF FOR THE REPORT NOW.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, VICE CHAIR.
SO, UM, GLAD WE'RE ABLE TO HOST THIS, UH, SPECIAL MEETING THIS EVENING.
THANKS TO YOU ALL AND THE PUBLIC.
WE DO NOT ANTICIPATE HOSTING A MEETING IN DECEMBER AS IT WOULD FALL ON NEW YEAR'S EVE.
SO WE BELIEVE THAT YOU ALL AND THE PUBLIC PROBABLY HAVE OTHER THINGS YOU'D LIKE TO DO, UH, THAT EVENING, BUT WE LOOK FORWARD TO WELCOMING YOU BACK IN JANUARY.
UM, I KNOW WE SPOKE BACK IN SEPTEMBER A LITTLE BIT ABOUT AD.
SO SOMETIME EARLY IN THE NEW YEAR, WE'LL COME BACK TO TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
STEPH HAS BEEN WORKING ON, UM, A DRAFT A DU ORDINANCE.
HOWEVER, UM, SEVERAL NEW STATE LAWS CAME INTO EFFECT THIS FALL THAT, UM, WE'RE NOW WORKING THROUGH TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE GIVEN THE NEW, UH, LEGISLATIVE LANDSCAPE.
SO I WANTED TO JUST SHARE THAT UPDATE.
AND THE LAST THING I'LL NOTE IS THAT, UM, AS YOU'LL RECALL FROM PREVIOUS YEARS, UH, TOWARDS THE END OF THE YEAR, WE'LL PUBLISH MATERIALS FOR THE 2025 MILLS ACT CYCLE.
UM, SO WE'LL BE PROMOTING THOSE MATERIALS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, UM, WITH A SPECIAL FOCUS ON, UM, HOW TO REACH THOSE THAT MAY NOT HAVE PREVIOUSLY HEARD ABOUT THE MILLS ACT AND MAY HAVE, UM, POTENTIAL, UM, HISTORIC RESOURCES, UH, THAT WE COULD HELP SUPPORT.
SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH, UM, THE PUBLIC ON SPREADING THE WORD AND GETTING SOME GREAT APPLICATIONS AGAIN EARLY IN THE NEW YEAR.
AND THAT CONCLUDES MY DIRECTOR'S REPORT.
COMMISSIONERS, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT? SEEING NONE, WE WILL CONTINUE.
WE'LL NOW TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT.
ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT, PLEASE LINE UP IN FRONT OF THE MICROPHONE.
IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS HERE IN THE CHAMBERS.
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UM, ARE THERE ANY VIRTUAL COMMENTS? IF THERE ARE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE USE THE RAISE HAND FUNCTION.NOW, IF DIALING IN TELEPHONICALLY, PRESS NINE NOW.
AND THERE APPEARS TO BE NO PUBLIC COMMENT.
MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL FOR A VOTE.
COMMISSIONER PADILLA PEREZ? YES.
AND COMMISSIONER GFA RECEIVED YOUR VOTE.
[2. 24-55695 Recommendation to approve the minutes for the Cultural Heritage Commission meeting of Tuesday, October 29, 2024. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]
IS RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR THE CULTURAL HERITAGE COMMISSION MEETING OF TUESDAY, OCTOBER 29TH, 2024.MAY I HAVE A MOTION ON THIS ITEM? WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER PADILLA PEREZ AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER PIZZA.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MINUTES? UH, SEEING NO QUESTIONS CONTINUE ON NOW.
ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE MINUTES, PLEASE LINE UP IN FRONT OF THE MICROPHONE.
AND ARE THERE ANY VIRTUAL COMMENTS? IF THERE ARE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE USE THE RAISE HAND FEATURE.
NOW, IF DIALING IN TELEPHONICALLY, PRESS STAR NINE.
THERE APPEARS TO BE NO PUBLIC COMMENT.
MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL FOR A VOTE.
[3. 24-55696 Recommendation to approve a Certificate of Appropriateness and adopt the proposed findings and conditions of approval thereto, to allow a 569 square foot rear addition, exterior remodel, and front façade modifications to a Craftsman single-family dwelling located at 1502 East 8th Street. The project site is located within the Hellman Craftsman Historic District, is a contributing structure, and is in the R-2-S zoning district. (District 1) Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]
IS RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND ADOPT THE PROPOSED FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THERETO TO ALLOW FOR A 569 SQUARE FOOT REAR EDITION EXTERIOR MODEL AND FRONT FACADE MODIFICATIONS TO A CRAFTSMAN STYLE FAMILY DWELLING LOCATED AT 1502 EAST EIGHTH STREET.THE PROJECT SITE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE, THE HELMAN CRAFTSMAN HISTORIC DISTRICT IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AND IS IN THE R TWO S ZONING DISTRICT, DISTRICT ONE.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO HEAR THIS ITEM? WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER BOECK AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER PIZZA.
DO WE HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM STAFF? YES.
UM, SO JUST A REMINDER, THIS IS AN ITEM THAT WAS AGENDIZED IN OCTOBER, BUT, UM, THE SCOPE OF WORK WAS NOT, UM, FULLY CLEAR ON THE NOTICE.
SO IN AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION, UM, WE HAVE NOW PROPERLY RENO IT AND, UM, ARE NOW HEARING THIS ITEM AND PROJECT PLANNER LIANA ARCIGA WILL PROVIDE THIS PRESENTATION.
GOOD EVENING, VICE CHAIR AND FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.
UM, THIS ITEM WAS ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED TO BE REVIEWED ON CULTURAL HERITAGE COMMISSION ON OCTOBER 29TH, 2024.
HOWEVER, THE ITEM WAS CONTINUED DUE TO IMPROPER NOTICING PROCEDURES NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE BROWN ACT, WHICH PREVENTED ADEQUATE INADEQUATE PUBLIC NOTICE AND PARTICIPATION.
AS A RESULT, THE PROJECT WAS RESCHEDULED FOR A SPECIAL MEETING ON NOVEMBER 21ST, FOR WHICH PROPER NOTICING HAS BEEN COMPLETED BEFORE YOU.
TONIGHT IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS REQUEST TO ALLOW A 569 SQUARE FOOT REAR ADDITION EXTERIOR REMODEL AND FRONT FACADE MODIFICATIONS TO AN EXISTING CRAFTSMAN SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING AT 1502 EAST EIGHTH STREET.
THE PROPERTY IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE WITHIN THE HELMAN CRAFTSMAN HISTORIC DISTRICT AND IS LOCATED WITHIN THE R TWO N ZONING DISTRICT.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS NOTED ON THIS SLIDE WITH THE BLUE STAR.
THE SITE IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF EAST EIGHTH STREET BETWEEN ORANGE AVENUE TO THE WEST AND WALNUT AVENUE TO
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THE EAST HOFFMAN AVENUE IS LOCATED TO THE NORTH OF THE SUBJECT SITE.THE LAW IS APPROXIMATELY 5,250 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE AND WAS DEVELOPED IN 1912 WITH A SINGLE STORY, 713 SQUARE FOOT SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING AND DETACHED SINGLE CAR GARAGE IN A CRAFTSMAN ARCHITECTURAL STYLE BASED ON PERMIT RECORDS.
IN 1976, A 220 SQUARE FOOT REAR DEN AND KITCHEN ADDITION WAS COMPLETED.
LATER IN 1982, THE ORIGINAL GARAGE WAS DEMOLISHED AND A NEW 342 SQUARE FOOT DETACHED SINGLE CAR GARAGE WAS CONSTRUCTED.
IN 1992, THE GARAGE WAS CONVERTED INTO A STORAGE, A LAUNDRY, AND ONE BATHROOM.
AND LASTLY, ALSO IN 1992, A PERMIT WAS ISSUED FOR COVERING THE ORIGINAL WOOD SIDING WITH STUCCO.
THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME IS CONSIDERED A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE WITHIN THE HELMAN STREET CROSSMAN DISTRICT AND IS LOCATED IN THE FOUNDING CONTEMPORARY NEIGHBORHOOD PLACE TYPE.
THIS SLIDE DISPLAYS THE EXISTING SITE LAYOUT OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WITH THE PROPERTY LINES HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW.
YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING 933 SQUARE FOOT SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING AND DETACHED GARAGE THAT HAS BEEN CONVERTED INTO A STORAGE AREA, LAUNDRY ROOM, AND RESTROOM.
HERE ARE THE CURRENT CONDITIONS OF THE CRAFTSMAN SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING AS VIEWED FROM EAST EIGHTH STREET.
THE PHOTOS DEPICT THE STUCCO EXTERIOR OF THE HOME, AN OPEN GABLE ROOF LINE WIDE OVERHANGING EAVES, WOODEN AND FASCIA, AND EXPOSED BEAM ENDS ALONG WITH THE PROJECTING PORCH.
THE PORCH FEATURES NON-ORIGINAL ROMAN TUSCAN STYLE COLUMNS AND HORIZONTAL ATTIC BENS.
THE FRONT ELEVATION IMAGES HIGHLIGHT THE EXISTING WALKWAY, PORCH STEPS AND TWO FIXED WINDOWS WITH MATCHING TRIM.
AS A PART OF THIS PROJECT, THE ORIGINAL WOOD SIDING OF THE CRAFTSMAN HOME WILL BE RESTORED TO THE GREATEST EXTENT FEASIBLE, THOUGH NOT HIGHLY VISIBLE, THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES FROM THE FRONT OF THE DWELLING EXTEND TO THE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
THESE INCLUDE THE STUCCO, EXTERIOR, DEEP ROOF EAVES, WOODEN AND FASCIA, AND SIMPLE MATCHING WINDOW TRIMS. THE WINDOWS CONSIST OF A MIX OF WOOD AND ALUMINUM SINGLE HUNG, FIXED AND TRIPARTITE STYLES, WHICH ARE CHARACTERISTIC OF A CRAFTMAN HOME WHEN VIEWED FROM THE SOUTH OF THE REAR OF THE DWELLING.
YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENT ELEMENTS ARE CONSISTENT WITH THOSE AT THE FRONT.
THIS INCLUDES THE STUCCO, EXTERIOR EXPOSED BEAM ENDS, WOODEN FASCIA AND DEEP ROOF EAVES.
HOWEVER, THE NON-ORIGINAL GARAGE LACKS THESE DEEP EAVES AND HAS MINIMAL ROOF OVERHANG WITH EXPOSED RAFTER TAILS.
ADDITIONALLY, THE REAR DEN AND KITCHEN ADDITION COMPLETED IN 1976 FEATURES A WINDOW TRIM THAT DOES NOT MATCH THE ORIGINAL AND APPEARS THICKER.
OVERALL, THIS WINDOW WILL BE, WILL BE REMOVED TO ACCOMMODATE THE REAR ADDITION.
IN THIS SLIDE, YOU'LL SEE THE SIDE-BY-SIDE COMPARISON OF THE EXISTING AND PROPOSED SITE PLANS HIGHLIGHTING THE PROPOSED 569 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION.
ANY ADDITION OVER 250 SQUARE FEET REQUIRES REVIEW OF THE CULTURAL HERITAGE COMMISSION IN THIS EXISTING SITE PLAN.
YOU'LL NOTICE THE UNPERMITTED, CHD AND PATIO COVER MARKED IN PURPLE.
THESE WILL BE DEMOLISHED AS A PART OF THE PROJECT.
THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN SHOWS THE 569 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION IN RED, WHICH COMPLIES WITH THE FOUR FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACK FROM WALL AND TWO FOOT SIX INCH SETBACK FROM THE ROOF EVE.
THE EXISTING 342 SQUARE FOOT UNORIGINAL GARAGE CONVERTED TO CONVERTED TO STORAGE AND LAUNDRY IN 1992 IS INDICATED IN BLUE.
THIS SPACE WILL BE CONVERTED INTO AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, WHICH IS PERMITTED BY STATE LAW AND HAS BEEN APPROVED SEPARATELY.
IN YELLOW, YOU WILL SEE THE PROPOSED, UM, PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS TO THE FRONT ELEVATION, INCLUDING THE WIDENING OF THE EXISTING CONCRETE WALKWAY, NEW CRAFTSMAN POSTS, AND PIERS AND NEW PLANTER WALL.
EACH OF THESE FRONT FACADE MODIFICATIONS ARE FOUND TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE HELMAN STREET CRAFTSMAN DISTRICT AND CAN MEET THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS.
HERE YOU CAN SEE THE COMPARISON OF THE EXISTING AND PROPOSED FLOOR PLANS.
THE 569 SQUARE FOOT EDITION HIGHLIGHTED IN RED WILL CREATE AN OPEN FLOOR PLAN IN THE HOME'S COMMON AREAS BY ENLARGING THE EXISTING KITCHEN AND DINING ROOM.
THE CURRENT LAYOUT INCLUDES TWO BEDROOMS, TWO BATHROOMS, AND A SEPARATE OFFICE.
THE PROPOSED INTERIOR REMODEL SHOWN IN GREEN WILL FEATURE A SINGLE MASTER BEDROOM WITH WALK-IN CLOSET, NEW LAUNDRY ROOM, AND ADDITIONAL COMMON AREA WHILE RETAINING THE EXISTING OFFICE AND TWO BATHROOMS. THE PROJECT WILL ALSO INCLUDE NEW WOOD WINDOWS THROUGHOUT THE HOME THAT ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE CRAFTSMAN STYLE.
ALL NEW WINDOWS AND DOORS WILL FEATURE WOOD TRIMS AND ALL HUNG WINDOWS WILL CONTAIN UM, OGEE SASH LUGS.
IN THE SLIDE YOU'LL SEE THE PROPOSED ROOF PLAN.
THE EXISTING ROOF LINE AND SLOPE WILL EXTEND OVER THE ADDITION MAINTAINING THE OPEN
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GABLE DESIGN AT THE REAR ELEVATION.KEY FEATURES SUCH AS THE EXISTING BUILDING, HIGH EXPOSED END BEAMS AND HORIZONTAL ATTIC VENTS WILL BE ADDED TO THE REAR ELEVATION.
THE PROJECT HAS BEEN CONDITIONED TO KEEP THE HORIZONTAL ATTIC VENTS AND EXPOSE END BEAMS TO THE FRONT AND REAR ELEVATIONS.
THE REAR ADDITION WILL HAVE SHORTER ROOF EVE OVERHANG ON THE WEST ELEVATION TO MEET THE MINIMUM TWO FOOT SIX INCH CLEARANCE REQUIRED BY THE MUNICIPAL CODE AS PROVIDING, ALSO PROVIDING A VISUAL DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE ADDITION AND THE ORIGINAL DWELLING.
ADDITIONALLY, THE REAR ADDITION WILL BE ATTACHED TO THE CONVERTED ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, WHICH IS PERMITTED BY STATE LAW ALLOWING ADUS TO BE EITHER DETACHED OR ATTACHED TO SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS.
BASED ON THE PERFORMED SITE INSPECTION, STAFF WAS ABLE TO CONFIRM THAT THE COLUMNS ARE NOT WOOD AND NOT ORIGINAL.
THE CURRENT PORCH COLUMNS SHOW MINIMAL SIGNS OF DECAY SUGGESTING THEY WERE INSTALLED.
MORE RECENTLY, THE TO THE DETERMINATION STAFF MADE FOLLOWING THE SITE INSPECTION IS THAT THE CURRENT COLUMNS WERE PLACED IN THE SAME LOCATION AT THE ORI.
AS THE ORIGINAL COLUMNS, THE FRONT PORCH STEPS APPEAR SLIGHTLY ALTERED AND THE PORCH LANDING APPEARS PAINTED POSSIBLY WITH SEVERAL LA LAYERS OF PAINT.
THE INSPECTION REVEALS NO CLUES AS TO WHETHER THEIR ORIGINAL PORCH FEATURED PIER OR COLUMN SUPPORTS LIKE WHAT IS PROPOSED OR WHETHER IT FEATURED SIMPLE TALL SKIN COLUMNS LIKE THE EXISTING CONDITIONS, THE COMM COMMISSIONERS CAN USE DISCRETION TO APPROVE CHANGES TO THE FRONT FACADE.
THE CHANGES SHOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE DISTRICT IN WHICH THEY'RE LOCATED AND BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CORRESPONDING ARCHITECTURAL STYLE.
MATERIALS SHOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE DISTRICT AND NOT INTRODUCE NEW MATERIALS INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE DISTRICT OR CRAFTSMAN STYLE HOUSES IN WITHIN THE DISTRICT.
THE PHOTOS SHOWN HERE ARE THE CURRENT CONDITIONS OF THE PORCH WALKWAY AND COLUMNS.
HERE ARE ADDITIONAL SITE INSPECTION PHOTOS PROVIDING A ZOOMED IN LOOK AT THE NON-ORIGINAL ROMAN TUSCAN PORCH COLUMNS.
WITH CAREFUL CONSIDERATION, THE APPLICANT PROPOSES MODIFICATIONS TO THE FRONT ELEVATION.
THESE MODIFICATIONS INCLUDE REPLACING THE EXISTING ROMAN TUSCAN STYLE COLUMNS WITH CRAFTSMAN COMPATIBLE, TAPERED POST AND BLOCKY PIERS FINISHED WITH CLASSIC ROCK FACE BLOCK STONE VENEER, A MATERIAL COMMONLY FOUND THROUGHOUT THE HELLMAN STREET CRAFTSMAN HISTORIC DISTRICT.
PREVIOUSLY STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WAS TO MAINTAIN THE EXISTING MATERIALS ALONG THE PORCH AND STEPS, BUT BASED ON PUBLIC COMMENT AND THE SITE INSPECTION, THE ROMAN TUSTIN COLUMNS APPEAR TO BE NOT ORIGINAL.
THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE DISCRETION TO APPROVE A DESIGN AND MATERIALS THAT ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE AND HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THIS SLIDE IDENTIFIES ELEMENTS TO BE RESTORED, SUCH AS THE HIS HORIZONTAL ATTIC, VENT VENTS AND EXPOSED END BEAMS. IN RED YOU'LL SEE THE NEW CRAFTSMAN TAPERED POSTS IN PIERS.
AND IN YELLOW YOU'LL SEE THE NEW ROUNDED CONCRETE STEPS.
AND IN PURPLE YOU'LL SEE THE NEW, UM, 2.67 FOOT TALL PLANTER WALL.
ON THE LEFT, YOU'LL SEE A ZOOMED IN PORCH POST IN ELEVATION IDENTIFYING DIMENSIONS AND THE CLASSIC ROCK FACE BLOCK MATERIAL.
THE APPLICANT HAS REVISED THE PORCH COLUMN DETAILS TO CONFORM WITH PUBLIC COMMENT.
ADDITIONALLY, THE PROPOSAL INCLUDES WIDENING THE EXISTING FOREFOOT EXISTING CONCRETE WALKWAY TO SEVEN FEET NEW ROUNDED CONCRETE STEPS ON THE NORTH AND EAST SIDES OF THE EXISTING PORCH, A NEW PLANTER WALL.
IN LIGHT OF NEW INFORMATION, IT APPEARS THAT THE WALKWAY MAY NOT BE ORIGINAL.
THE WALKWAY DOES NOT ALIGN WITH THE FRONT DOOR.
THE APPLICANT CURRENTLY PROPOSES A SEVEN FOOT WIDE WALKWAY, WHICH IS SEEN FREQUENTLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT.
STAFF RECOMMENDS TO MAINTAIN THE SEVEN FOOT WALKWAY AND TO HAVE THE WALKWAY BOW OUTWARD TO MATCH THE WIDTH OF THE PORCH STEPS AS SEEN IN THE DESIGN GUIDELINES.
LASTLY, THE EXISTING BRICK PLANTER IS TO BE RECONSTRUCTED AND STUCCO WITH THE NEW PLANTER WALL ADDED ALONG THE EDGES.
THE DESIGN GUIDELINES EMPHASIZE THAT THE ORIGINAL PLANTING AREA AND YARD CONFIGURATION SHOULD BE PRESERVED.
GARDENING EDGES AND PLANTERS MAY BE ACCEPTABLE AS LONG AS THEY DO NOT DAMAGE CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES AND THE PLANTER REMAINS LOW PROFILE.
THE PROPOSED MODIFIED PLANTER WILL NOT STAND, WILL STAND AT 2.67 FEET.
ALIGNING WITH THE STANDARD SET FORTH IN THE HELMAN STREET CRAFTSMAN DESIGN GUIDELINES, STAFF ALSO WENT OUT AND IDENTIFIED COMPARABLE BUILDING TYPES AND SIMILAR PORCHES WITHIN THE HELLMAN STREET CRAFTSMAN DISTRICT.
IN THIS MAP YOU'LL SEE THE SUBJECT SITE PROPERTY OUTLINED IN RED AND COMPARABLE HOMES.
IN BLUE, STEPH IDENTIFIED 10 HOMES THAT CONTAIN SIMILAR BUILDING TYPES, INCLUDING PROJECTING PORCH TAPERED POST BLOCKIE E PIERS, UM, WITH SIMILAR ROCK VENEER AND BOWED OUTWARD WALKWAYS.
BASED ON THIS EVALUATION, THE PROPOSED DESIGN IS FOUND TO BE COMPATIBLE AND TYPICAL OF THE DISTRICT'S ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER.
THE PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS TO THE FRONT PORCH ALIGN WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S ESTABLISHED CRAFTSMEN AESTHETIC.
THE MODIFICATIONS WOULD MODIFY NON-ORIGINAL
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FEATURES AND THE PROPOSED CHANGES ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES OF SIMILAR ARCHITECTURAL STYLE AND BUILDING TYPE.IN THE, THE ADDITION WILL BE LOCATED AT THE SOUTHERN REAR ELEVATION OF THE DWELLING.
IT WILL MAINTAIN THE EXISTING HEIGHT OF 13.33 FEET AND MATCHING ROOF SLOPE.
BUT WE'LL FEATURE A SHORTER ROOF EVE OVERHANG ON THE WEST ELEVATION.
THE NEW ADDITION WILL HAVE AN EIGHT INCH WIDE WOOD SIDING IN CONTRAST TO THE ORIGINAL SIX INCH WIDE SIDING, PROVIDING A VISUAL DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE ADDITION AND THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE.
CURRENTLY THERE IS A SMALL HUNG WINDOW AND SWINGING DOOR LEADING TO THE REAR YARD.
THE ADDITION WILL REMOVE THE NON-ORIGINAL SINGLE HUNG WINDOW AND DOOR, REPLACING THEM WITH AN ACCORDION DOOR.
TO ENHANCE THE OPEN FLOOR PLAN.
THE EDU WILL FEATURE CRAFTSMAN COMPATIBLE WINDOWS AND DOORS ALONG WITH MATCHING EIGHT INCH WOOD SIDING ON ALL ON ALL ELEVATIONS OF THE EDU.
IN COMPARING THE EXISTING AND PROPOSED EAST ELEVATIONS, YOU'LL SEE THE REAR ADDITION, WHICH MAINTAIN THE SAME BUILDING HEIGHT AND INCLUDES A NEW WOOD SWINGING DOOR AND DOUBLE HUNG WINDOW.
THE EXISTING DWELLING WILL REMOVE ONE SINGLE WINDOW AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY TO ACCOMMODATE THE INTERIOR REMODEL.
THE APPLICANT WILL PRESERVE THE LOCATION OF THE CROSS AND COMPATIBLE TRIPARTITE WINDOWS TOWARDS THE FRONT ELEVATION, WHICH IS PROMINENTLY VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
THE REST OF THE EXISTING DWELLING WILL CONTAIN TWO NEW WOODEN DOUBLE-HUNG WINDOWS IN THEIR ORIGINAL LOCATIONS.
IN COMPARING THE EXISTING AND PROPOSED WEST ELEVATIONS, YOU'LL SEE THE REAR ADDITION MAINTAINING THE SAME BUILDING HEIGHT AND FEATURES THREE DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS POSITIONED TOWARD THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
THE EXISTING DWELLING WILL REMOVE TWO SMALL SIDING WINDOWS AND A SMALL SWINGING DOOR, REPLACING THEM WITH TWO DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS AND ONE AWNING WINDOW IN THE SAME LOCATION.
EACH ELEVATION SHOWS THAT THE ADDITION WILL HAVE, WILL BE FINISHED WITH AN EIGHT INCH WIDE WOOD SIDING.
IN THIS SLIDE, YOU'LL SEE THE PROPOSED COLOR SCHEME FOR THE ENTIRE DWELLING CRAFTSMAN HOMES TYPICALLY FEATURE THREE EARTH TONE COLORS.
THE PROPOSED COLORS ARE BARE TENT GREEN FOR THE BODY OF THE HOME, BARE ALPINE FROST FOR THE ROOF EVE AND WINDOW TRIMS AND BARE GRAND PLUM AS THE ACCENT COLOR.
ADDITIONALLY, THIS SIDE PRESENTS THE PROPOSED VENEER FOR THE MODIFIED PORCH POSTS.
THIS CHOOSING MATERIAL IS CLASSIC ROCK FACE BLOCK, WHICH IS COMMONLY FOUND THROUGHOUT THE HELMAN STREET CROSSMAN HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AS PROPOSED AND CONDITIONED, THE PROPOSED REAR ADDITION EXTERIOR REMODEL AND FRONT FACADE MODIFICATIONS WILL NOT DETRACT FROM THE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD OR THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE EXISTING BUILDING ONSITE.
THE PROPOSED EDITION EXTERIOR REMODEL AND FRONT FACADE MODIFICATIONS WILL BE CONSISTENT AND IN FULL COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY'S RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
FOR THE R TWO N ZONING DISTRICT, THE HELLMAN STREET CRAFTSMAN HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINES, SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, AND THE HELLMAN STREET CRAFTSMAN HISTORIC DISTRICT ORDINANCE AND THE CRAFTSMAN STYLE GUIDE AND THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FINDINGS.
THE COMMISSION HAS DISCRETION TO APPROVE A DESIGN AND MATERIALS THAT ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE AND HISTORIC DISTRICT NOTICING OF THE HEARING WAS COMPLETED IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 21 POINT 21 OF THE MUNICIPAL CODE.
AS OF THIS DATE, STAFF RECEIVED TWO FORMAL LETTERS VIA EMAIL FROM, UM, LOUIS IVERS, VICE PRESIDENT FOR ADVOCACY OF LONG BEACH HERITAGE AND MICHELLE AARON ECKHOFF, CO-CHAIR OF THE CRAFTSMAN VILLAGE HISTORIC DISTRICT FROM THE OCTOBER 29TH MEETING.
AND ONE FORMAL COMMENT FOR THE CURRENT MEETING TODAY FROM MICHELLE WITH THE AFOREMENTIONED FINDINGS, ALL IN THE AFFIRMATIVE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS REQUEST SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
THIS CONCLUDES STAFF PRESENTATION STAFF AND THE APPLICANT KEVIN DUMA ARE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, COMMISSIONERS, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE PRESENTATION? COMMISSIONER PIZZA? UM, YEAH, I HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
UM, THE FRONT ELEVATION, UM, SHOWING THE NEW PI, UM, THERE'S ALSO SOME WINDOWS NEXT TO BOTH SIDES OF THE DOOR.
HOWEVER, ON THE DUMONT ENGINEERING, UM, PROPOSAL OR, UM, DESCRIPTION, UH, OF THE PROJECT.
IT SAYS UNDER WINDOWS ON THE FRONT FACADE, PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION, IT SAYS NO MODIFICATION TO THE EXISTING WINDOW OPENING.
SO I'M JUST CURIOUS, THE DRAWING STILL SHOWS IT LOOKING LIKE IT'S BEING ENLARGED, UH, FROM WHAT IS EXISTING TODAY.
AND I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT, WHAT IS THE CASE? IS IT NOT BEING TOUCHED? 'CAUSE THE ELEVATIONS SHOW SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
UH, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.
UH, I THINK THAT'S ONE WHERE WE COULD, UH, DIRECTLY ADDRESS THAT ONE TO THE, UH,
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APPLICANT AND THE ARCHITECT.UM, SO WE CAN JUST GET CLARIFICATION.
UM, WE'LL NOW TAKE THE APPLICANT'S COMMENTS.
HI, I'M KEVIN DUMONT, AND, UM, UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH STAFF.
THAT WAS A REALLY NICE PRESENTATION.
UM, I BELIEVE THE ONLY THING THAT WE ARE REALLY DOWN TO ON THE AMENDMENTS OF THE APPROVAL ARE THE FRONT COLUMNS AND, UM, THE WINDOW TRIM THAT MICHELLE WILL WANT TO TALK ABOUT.
WE FOLLOWED THE, UH, EXACT WINDOW TRIM OF THE ORIGINAL TRIM ON THE HOME NOW.
AND THE DIMENSIONS THAT MICHELLE MENTIONED TO ME THIS EVENING, THEY'RE REALLY, REALLY CLOSE AND WE'RE VERY FLEXIBLE ON DOING EITHER OR.
THAT'S, UM, EITHER ONE WOULD BE HARMONIOUS AND IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, ON THE, ON THE POST, I HAVE A, UM, POST THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU.
THIS IS THE, UM, WHAT'S ON THE DRAWINGS IS VERY SIMILAR TO THIS, BUT THROUGH ITERATIONS AND DISCUSSIONS AND COMMENTS WE HAVE COME TO, UH, THIS EXACT POST.
AND THIS POST IS VERY COMMON AS, UH, LEANNA HAS SHOWN YOU ON THE MAP OF THE DISTRICT.
UM, IT'S THE MOST COMMON COLUMN IN THE, UM, IN THE HELMAN DISTRICT.
IT'S A, UH, APPROXIMATELY 12 INCH, UM, TAPERED TO 10 INCH.
AND THEN THE PI LISTER WITH THE STONE, THAT BRICK THAT WE HAVE CALLED OUT THAT STAFF, UM, WANTED US TO DO IT MATCHES THE TEXTURE, BUT IT DOESN'T MATCH THE ACTUAL SIZE THAT WE SHOW IN THIS PICTURE.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO AND THAT WOULD COMPLY WITH THE TYPICAL PILOTER, UM, THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.
AND DO YOU HAVE THIS IN FRONT OF YOU THAT YEAH.
CAN YOU SHOW THAT ON, CAN YOU SHOW IT ON YOUR SCREEN? YEAH, YOU CAN SHOW THAT.
AND THE, AND THE WINDOW, UM, TRIM THAT MICHELLE IS GONNA TALK TO YOU ABOUT.
SHE HAS ONE WITH, UH, DIMENSIONS OF, THAT'S YOUR HOUSE, RIGHT? YES.
IT'S, IT'S BEAUTIFUL, THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND, UM, THE TRIM ON THE HOUSE IS ORIGINAL ON THE LANGLEY'S HOUSE.
THE, THE, UM, THE, THE JAM IS ONE INCH DIFFERENCE AND THE ACTUAL SILL IS SET BACK.
AND WE COULD DO THAT IF YOU LIKE.
WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH DOING EITHER OR.
AND, UM, SHE TALKS ABOUT THE, UM, THE OG UH, DETAIL AND THAT IS IN OUR DRAWINGS.
STEPH, DID YOU WANNA ALSO SCAN THE, THE WINDOW TRIM OR, I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? DID YOU ALSO WANT TO SCAN? THERE WERE TWO HANDOUTS THAT WE PRO WE WERE PROVIDED WITH.
ONE WAS THE, THE PY LAST OR THE OTHER WAS THE WINDOW TRIM.
WERE YOU GONNA PROVIDE THOSE ALSO? SO ALL DOCUMENTS HAVE BEEN, UH, CIRCULATED.
HOPEFULLY IF YOU, THEY'LL BE CIRCULATED TO YOU AND MADE AVAILABLE FOR ANYBODY THAT'S HERE IN CHAMBERS.
AND THEN WE'LL ENSURE THAT ALL DOCUMENTS PROVIDED AS PART OF COMMENT ON THIS ITEM ARE ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE MEETING.
SO I BELIEVE THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO REAL AMENDMENTS THAT HAVE TO BE DONE TO THE PLANS OR TO THE APPROVAL.
THE, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO BACK UP AND FLY HIGH A LITTLE BIT.
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THE HOUSE WE WANT TO TAKE BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL 1912 HOME, THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE THAT INCLUDES THE PORCH COLUMNS.WE KNOW THAT THOSE PORCH COLUMNS ARE NOT ORIGINAL.
IN FACT, THERE'S, UH, MICHELLE KNOWS THAT WHEN THOSE WERE REPLACED AND THE COLUMNS THAT SHE DESCRIBED THAT WERE THERE BEFORE WOULD'VE NEVER BEEN ON A CRAFTSMAN STYLE.
SO I BELIEVE THAT THAT COLUMN THAT IS THERE TODAY IS THE THIRD COLUMN THAT THAT HOUSE, UM, HAS EXPERIENCED.
UM, AND WHO KNOWS WHAT WAS THERE, THE ORIGINAL CRAFTSMAN STYLE COLUMN, WE DON'T KNOW, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT COLUMN.
IT'S A BEAUTIFUL COLUMN AND MY CLIENTS REALLY LIKE IT AND IT WOULD BE VERY NICE TO THE COMMUNITY.
SO THE REST OF THE HOUSE, THE ATTIC FENCE, THE SIDING, EVERYTHING, IT'S, IT'S STILL THERE.
WE'VE, UM, INVESTIGATED IT AND IT ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE IT'S IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE.
I THINK SOMEBODY GOT TIRED OF PAINTING IT AND, UH, DOING THE SCRAPE AND PAINT.
SO THEY COVERED IT WITH STUCCO.
UM, AND I FIGURED THAT WAS PROBABLY DONE IN ONE OF THOSE REMODELS IN THE SEVENTIES, EIGHTIES, OR THE NINETIES.
SO DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME ON THE DESIGN? I DO
UM, THIS IS COMMISSIONER PIZZA.
UM, I HAD PREVIOUSLY ASKED ABOUT THE FRONT, UH, WINDOWS, THE TWO WINDOWS THAT FLANK BOTH SIDES OF THE DOOR.
UM, IN YOUR DRAWINGS IT SHOWS SOME ADDED DETAILS AT THE TOP, LIKE A TRANSOM, UH, AS WELL AS A LARGER SCALE WINDOW THAN WHAT CURRENTLY EXISTS.
IN YOUR NOTES, YOU SAY THAT YOU'RE NOT TOUCHING THE EXISTING OPENING, SO I JUST LIKE THAT CLARIFIED.
SO, SO THE OPENING IS TOUCHED, SO I WANNA MAKE THAT, THAT CLARIFICATION.
UM, THE DOOR AND THE WINDOW IS, UH, IN THE REMODEL IS JUST SHIFTED LIKE SIX INCHES.
AND I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL.
WE HAVE THE ORIGINAL ASBUILT AND THE PROPOSAL TO TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT IS.
WHAT WAS THE REASONING FOR MOVING THE DOOR AND THE ENLARGING THE WINDOWS? YEAH, I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT MY DRAWINGS 'CAUSE I REALLY DON'T RECALL THE ACTUAL SHIFTING OF THAT.
UM, BUT I WOULD BELIEVE IT WAS AN INTERIOR WALL THAT THE ORIGINAL DOOR WAS RIGHT AGAINST THAT WALL, WHICH LENDS ME TO BELIEVE THAT WASN'T THE ORIGINAL PLACEMENT OF THE DOOR.
BUT I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO MY ORIGINAL DRAWING 'CAUSE I HAVE THOSE EXACT DIMENSIONS OF WHERE THAT DOOR WAS WHEN WE TOOK THE MEASUREMENTS.
SO IS THE SCALE OF THE DOOR CHANGING IN TERMS OF SIZE? NO.
I KNOW YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE MOVING IT, BUT IS IT, IS IT THE SAME WIDTH AND HEIGHT? IT'S THE SAME HEIGHTS FOR SURE.
UM, AND I WOULD HAVE TO VERIFY THAT IF IT WAS A THREE OH DOOR OR A TWO 10 DOOR, I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT.
IS THE ORIGINAL, DO YOU FEEL THE DOOR THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE ORIGINAL? UH, PROBABLY NOT.
I KNOW THERE'S A, A SECURITY, UH, METAL SCREEN ON THE FRONT OF THE RIGHT THAT I ASSUME IS GETTING REMOVED.
UM, IS THERE A SCREEN THAT'S BEING PLANNED IN PLACE OF THAT? NO, NOT ON THE DOOR, ON THE WINDOWS, BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA TAKE THAT THE WINDOW BACK TO THE ORIGINAL, UH, WINDOW AND SCREEN THE WAY THE SCREENS WOULD'VE BEEN BUILT IN 1912.
SO I WAS VERY IMPRESSED WITH MY CLIENTS WANTING THAT.
MOST PEOPLE GO NOW, WE'LL DO A MODERN DAY SCREEN.
THEY WANT TO GO BACK TO THE 1912 SCREEN, WHICH IS VERY IMPRESSIVE.
AND I'M ACTUALLY QUITE IMPRESSED WITH THE FACT THAT YOU'RE PUTTING THE OG UM, THE, THE LUGS, THE OG LUGS ON THE WINDOWS, AND THOSE ARE ON YOUR DRAWINGS AS YOU STATED.
SO I I DEFINITELY APPRECIATE THAT.
I'M VERY, UM, IMPRESSED THAT YOU'RE TAKING THE STUCCO OFF AND EXPOSING YES.
THE EXISTING, UH, WOOD SIDING.
SO I JUST WANNA MENTION THAT AND COMMENT ON THAT.
UM, AND BRINGING ALL THE WINDOWS BACK TO BEING WOOD.
UM, IN TERMS OF THE WIDTH AND SCALE, I WOULD PERSONALLY FEEL THAT YOU SHOULD FOLLOW WHAT WAS EXISTING THAT WAS, UM, ESTABLISHED ON THE HOUSE.
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IN THE WINDOW TRIM.MAYBE SOME OTHER HOMES ARE IN DIFFERENT SCALE, BUT I PERSONALLY, I DON'T KNOW HOW MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS FEEL, BUT I FEEL LIKE THE CLOSER WE CAN GET TO YOU KEEP SAYING, BRINGING BACK THE HOUSE TO 1912 IN ITS OWN ON AUTHENTICITY, UM, RIGHT.
I THINK WOULD BE, UM, DESIRABLE.
UM, I ALSO HAD SOME OTHER, FOR FURTHER QUESTIONS.
UM, YOU ON THE ELEVATION, IT'S 3.1, BUT ON YOUR PRESENTATION, YOU GUYS, I THINK I FORGOT WHAT SHEET IT WAS, MAYBE IT WAS ON 15 SLIDE.
I HAVE IT HERE IN FRONT OF ME TOO.
SO ON THE PLAN THERE'S A BATH, UH, EXCUSE ME.
YEAH, ACTUALLY IT IS A BATHROOM.
UM, IT'S NEXT TO THE LAUNDRY ROOM.
AND YOU ARE, UM, DEMOING THE EXISTING HOUSE WALL THAT WAS ALIGNING WITH THE LAUNDRY ROOM.
ARE YOU GUYS ABLE TO PULL THAT UP? SO I THINK IT WILL BE, IT'S HELPFUL.
OH, WAS THAT THE E SORRY, THAT WAS PROBABLY THE, EXCUSE ME.
UM, SO YOU COULD SEE THE DOOR, UM, IN THE PINK SECTION AND THEN THERE'S THE WINDOW, WHICH I BELIEVE IS THE KITCHEN WINDOW.
THEN YOU HAVE I THINK WHAT'S A DIVIDE, BUT THAT'S THE BATHROOM.
THAT'S THE BATHROOM WINDOW IN THE RED, THE RED IS THE BATHROOM WINDOW IN THIS ONE? THIS HERE? YEAH.
ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT? I'M SORRY.
THE BATHROOM WINDOW IS TO THE, TO THE RIGHT, RIGHT.
SO THE BATHROOM WINDOW ACTUALLY DOES NOT SHOW, AND THAT'S GETTING TO MY QUESTION.
SO THERE IS A BATHROOM WINDOW SHOWN ON THE PLAN, BUT THERE'S NO, IT'S A TRANS WINDOW.
IT'S A NUMBER SEVEN WINDOW IN YOUR PLANS.
AND I'M NOT SEEING IT ON THIS ELEVATION AND THIS ELEVATION.
THAT'S A REALLY GOOD CATCH BECAUSE, WELL, AND ALSO THIS, IT'S NOT ON THAT ELEVATION.
AND ALSO THE SIDING IN THIS SECTION WHERE THE BATHROOM WINDOW WOULD BE IS NOT THE THIN ORIGINAL SIDING.
IT WOULD BE THE THICKER NEW BECAUSE YOU'RE BUMPING OUT THAT WALL.
SO I JUST WANNA POINT THAT OUT.
SO THAT DIVIDING VERTICAL THAT'S LABELED A FOUR, THAT WOULD THEN MOVE TO THE GATE LINE, CORRECT.
BECAUSE NOW THAT WIDER SIDING WOULD GO ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE BATHROOM BECAUSE THAT'S A NEW WALL.
CORRECT? ACTUALLY, YES, THAT'S A NEW WALL.
I JUST WANNA CLARIFY ALL THAT.
I'M JUST, I'M JUST CLARIFYING THAT 'CAUSE I, I WAS CONFUSED AND LOOKING AT
UM, BUT I, I DO THINK THAT NEEDS, THAT'S NEEDS TO BE UPDATED.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A CONDITION I NEED TO STATE AT THIS POINT, BUT, UM, THAT SHOULD BE UPDATED.
UH, WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW IS WHAT IT'S JUST QUESTIONING.
AND THEN WE'LL TAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT AND HAVE TO SAY, YEAH, I'M JUST LATER I'M TALKING ABOUT, IT'LL BE PERFECT.
UM, SO THE, SO THE AWNING THERE IS AN AWNING WINDOW IN THAT BATHROOM, CORRECT? RIGHT.
I MEAN THERE WHERE THAT YES, IT'S NOT SHOWING.
UM, THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.
YEAH, IT'S A, IT'S A 3 0 18 INCH AWNING.
UM, SO ALSO IN THE CONDITIONS THERE WAS A COMMENT THAT ALL THE WINDOWS AND DOORS WOULD BE AT THE SAME HEIGHT AND STAYING ON THIS ELEVATION, THE PINK DOOR AND WINDOW SECTION DO NOT ALIGN WITH THE HEIGHT OF THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS.
AND IS THAT GONNA BE ADDRESS, I MEAN, IS THAT BECAUSE IT'S CONDITIONED TO WILL AUTOMATICALLY HAPPEN OR IS THAT THAT'S THE, THE FLOOR PLAN STEPS DOWN ONE FOOT.
SO ANYTHING IN THE NEW ADDITION, UHHUH IS DOWN ONE FOOT.
SO THAT WILL STILL BE AT A, UM, AT A EIGHT FOOT OR AT A, UM, EIGHT FOOT, EXCUSE ME, A SIX EIGHT TOP PLATE WINDOW HEIGHT, A SIX EIGHT WINDOW HEIGHT.
SO THEY MATCH, IT'S JUST THAT, HMM.
THE FLOOR ELEVATIONS WILL BE ONE, ONE FOOT DIFFERENCE.
SO BECAUSE YOU'RE ON SLAB VERSUS RAISE FOUNDATION, IS THAT WHAT THE REASON THAT'S CORRECT.
IS THAT, WELL, I'M CURIOUS IF THAT WAS THE INTENT OF THE CONDITION, IS IT ON THE OUTSIDE OR IS IT TYPICALLY ON THE INSIDE? UH, I, I CAN ADDRESS THAT QUESTION.
SO TYPICALLY, UH, IN THE PURPOSE OF THAT CONDITION IS TO JUST HAVE, UM, A CONSISTENT WINDOW FENESTRATION SO THAT THINGS LINE UP IN A WAY THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, ALL MAKES SENSE AND MATCH UP.
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WHAT CAN HAPPEN IN THIS CASE THOUGH IS, IS THAT, UM, TO ACCOUNT FOR THE LOWER FLOOR, IT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE TO HAVE, UH, THE WINDOWS NOT LINE UP, UH, THERE OR IN THE LOWER FLOOR AREA.UH, WE THINK IT MAKES SENSE AND, UM, IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY A CONDITION THAT WE CAN STRIKE IN THIS CASE IF THE COMMISSION WERE TO AGREE WITH THAT.
WELL, I, I THINK I COULD ACCEPT THAT AS THE NEW ADDITION BEING DIFFERENT WITH THE WIDER SIDING AND THE DIFFERENCE IN HEIGHT.
BUT AGAIN, I'LL TURN TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS TO SEE HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT THAT.
UM, AND THEN ONE, THE ORIGINAL, THE ORIGINAL DESIGN, WE HAD THE FLOOR LEVEL ONE LEVEL IN THE WINDOW HEIGHTS ALL THE SAME IN THE ROOF BEING OFFSET ONE FOOT TO ACCOMMODATE A NINE FOOT CEILING BECAUSE THE ROOM IS, IS, IS MUCH LARGER.
WE HAD THE ROOF UP ONE FOOT IN THAT TRANSITION OF, UM, THE DIFFERENCE MAKING IT DIFFERENT FROM THE ORIGINAL HOME TO THE ADDITION.
AND THAT WAS A REQUEST FROM STAFF TO BRING THAT DOWN.
SO I DROPPED THE FLOOR DOWN AND WE COULD GO EITHER WAY ON THAT AS WELL.
UM, ALSO I'M NOTICING ON YOUR, UM, THE LIST THAT YOU PROVIDED US.
IT SAYS THE PORCH IS GONNA BE WOOD.
IS THAT CORRECT? BECAUSE THEY MENTIONED RE POURING IT IN CONCRETE.
YEAH, IT'S, WE WERE GONNA GO TO WOOD AND THEN THE STAFF WANTS IT CONCRETE, SO WE WERE STAYING WITH THE CONCRETE.
UM, DID YOU KNOW, DID YOU, WELL, ACTUALLY, THE, THE CONCRETE IS ORIGINAL CURRENTLY THERE, SO THAT'S WHY YOU'RE DOING OKAY.
UM, AND THEN MY LAST THING, AND I'M GOING TO JUST THROW THIS OUT AS SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THERE'S THIS THING THAT PEOPLE CALL HI HISTORIC FICTIONAL.
AND BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR HOME LOOKED LIKE ON THE FRONT BECAUSE THERE'S NO PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE OR DRAWINGS, IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE YOU EVEN HAVE ORIGINAL DRAWINGS OF THE HOME.
UM, WE'RE SORT OF SAYING WHAT COULD BE THERE, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO THEN I ALWAYS LIKE TO THINK OF IT AS ALMOST A DETECTIVE WORK OF, OKAY, WELL, UM, IF THERE WAS A, A MASON PIER WITH A WOOD TOP, WOULD THAT REALLY HAVE BEEN REMOVED AT SOME POINT? UM, TO PUT IN A SYNTHETIC TUSCAN COLUMN? AND YOU START ASKING THAT QUESTION, YOU THINK, WELL, WOULDN'T IT MAKE MORE SENSE THAT THERE WAS A TUSCAN COLUMN REPLACING A TUSCAN COLUMN? SO I'M JUST GONNA THROW THAT OUT AS A, AS A THOUGHT, BECAUSE TO ME THAT FEELS LIKE A STRAIGHTER PATH TO WHAT THIS HOME SHOULD BE BECAUSE OF THAT SCENARIO OF A FOOTPRINT.
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT SEEING ANY DEMOLITION OF A MASON PIER AT THE BOTTOM OF THE, OF THE, UH, CONCRETE PORCH.
YOU'RE SEEING SIMILAR TO A SIMILAR FOOTPRINT OF A, OF A COLUMN THAT COULD HAVE BEEN THERE.
I'M NOT SAYING IT WAS THAT SIZE, IT MAYBE NEEDS TO BE WIDER.
UM, I, I'M JUST THROWING THIS OUT AS A CONSIDERATION.
I'M ALSO NOTICING THAT THERE ARE OTHER HOMES LITERALLY ON THAT STREET, I COUNTED FIVE, UM, THAT HAVE TUSCAN COLUMNS.
AND SO IT'S NOT A FAR STRETCH TO SAY THAT THIS HOME COULD HAVE HAD A TUSCAN COLUMN.
SO I JUST WANNA BRING THAT UP.
I'M HAPPY TO HEAR WHAT OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE TO SAY.
I'M SORRY IF I MONOPOLIZE
AND, UM, TO, TO, UM, ADD TO THAT, I CONCUR WITH YOUR LOGIC, ONE WOULD THINK THAT WAY.
THERE'S NEIGHBORS THAT KNOW AND REMEMBER WHEN THAT COLUMN WAS REPLACED, AND IT WASN'T REPLACED FOR LIKE, FOR LIKE, IT WAS REPLACED FROM A FOUR POOR, FOUR POST ORNATE, UM, UH, METAL STRUCTURE THAT WAS VERY POPULAR IN THE FIFTIES AND SIXTIES.
AND THAT THOSE ONLY LASTED MAYBE 20 OR 30 YEARS.
AND THAT'S THE COLUMN WE'VE ALL SEEN IT ON FRONT PORCHES.
UM, THE WROUGHT IRON THAT JUST DETERIORATED.
IT WASN'T THE REAL SOLID WROUGHT IRON, IT WAS THE FAUX WROUGHT IRON.
AND SO THAT TRUE TOO WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN CONDUCIVE TO A CRAFTSMAN STYLE ARCHITECTURE.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, AND IF SOMEBODY REMEMBERS THAT, AND I WAS, UM, TALKING WITH LEANNA EARLIER THAT A LOT OF TIMES IN HISTORY WE
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SEE, UH, ESPECIALLY IN A SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE THIS, THEN, UM, IF YOU WENT BACK TO THE 1950S OR EVEN TO THE 1940S, THE HOUSE WAS ALREADY 30, 40 YEARS OLD AND THERE WOULD'VE NEEDED, UH, BE REPAIRS.AND BACK THEN NEIGHBORS WOULD'VE BEEN MUCH TIGHTER AND KNOWN A CONTRACTOR TO BE ABLE TO COME IN AND TO DO A CERTAIN REPAIR ON A CERTAIN TYPE OF, OF, UM, PROBLEM.
SO THERE WAS PROBABLY A CONTRACTOR THAT CAME IN AT ONE TIME AND WAS ABLE TO HELP PEOPLE WITH A DRY ROT, TERMITE RIDDEN, WHICH WOULD, COULD HAVE BEEN VERY COMMON IN A CRAFTSMAN STYLE HOUSE WHERE SOMEBODY WASN'T KEEPING UP WITH MAINTENANCE, WITH PAINT STAIN.
SO THOSE, THEY WOULD'VE DETERIORATED.
UM, AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, SOMEBODY CAME IN AND SAID, WELL, WE CAN DO THESE COLUMNS AND WE COULD DO 'EM FOR THIS PRICE.
AND SOMEBODY SAID, WOW, THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD DEAL.
MY, MY NEIGHBOR JOE, MY NEIGHBOR, CINDY, THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE'S FIVE MORE HOUSES THAT HAVE THAT REPAIR.
AND IF, AND IF THAT BE THE CASE, AND IF WHAT MICHELLE IS SAYING, UM, IS TRUE, THEN THAT COLUMN WOULD'VE NEVER SEEN TODAY.
AND SOMEBODY ELSE CAME IN WITH ANOTHER REPAIR, WHICH IS VERY LOGICAL.
I DID THINK OF WHAT IF IT WAS A WOODEN POST? AND THEN I THOUGHT ABOUT THAT, AND IN THIS TYPE OF HOME, IN THIS ECONOMIC LEVEL OF HOME, IN A CRAFTSMAN STYLE, SIMPLE DETAIL, IT WOULD'VE BEEN VERY EXPENSIVE TO LATHE THAT WOULD COLUMN IT WOULD'VE BEEN VERY EXPENSIVE.
AND THAT WOULD'VE REALLY DEFEATED WHAT, UM, THE CRAFTSMAN STYLE HOME OF THAT SIZE.
NOW IF YOU WENT INTO PASADENA AND YOU SAW THE DETAILING OF A CRAFTSMAN HOME THERE, IT'S MUCH DIFFERENT.
IT HAD A, A, A MUCH HIGHER BUDGET FOR IT.
STILL SIMPLE, STILL, UH, LOWER KEY.
BUT IN, IN THE HILLMAN DISTRICT, THAT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN, IT WOULD'VE BEEN A, A MUCH, UM, DIFFERENT ECONOMIC BUDGET.
AND I WOULD REALLY DOUBT THAT A TURNED COLUMN FROM A LATHE 'CAUSE THAT WOULD'VE HAD TO BE A BIG PIECE OF LUMBER AND A LOT OF MONEY TO, TO CREATE THAT, UM, ROUND COLUMN.
AND THE ROUND COLUMN CAN BE FOUND IN CRAFTSMAN STYLE, BUT IT'S MUCH MORE COMMON THAT, UH, CRAFTSMAN STYLE IS SQUARE AND, AND VERY RARE ROUND.
NOT SAYING THAT IT CAN'T BE, BUT VERY RARE.
UM, I HAVE A QUESTION, COMMISSIONER GFI.
UM, SO IF YOU START TAKING OFF THE STUCCO OFF OF THE HORIZONTAL SIDING AND IT, IT STARTS TO COME APART OR YOU START HAVING PROBLEMS WITH THAT, IS THERE A A BACKUP PLAN? YEAH, SO THE ORIGINAL SIDING, WE WILL, AND, AND THIS GOES FOR THE FRONT, UH, ATTIC VENT SIDING, THE FRONT SIDING, UH, AND ANY OF THE SIDE SIDING.
IF WE WANT TO REPAIR AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, WE, WE, WE HOPE TO, UM, MAINTAIN AND, AND IT'S SOLID.
AND IF IT'S NOT, WE WILL, UM, MAKE THE REPAIR AND OR REPLACE EXACTLY LIKE FOR LIKE ON THE ORIGINAL.
AND THEN THE ADDITION WILL BE VERY EASY.
'CAUSE THAT WILL BE A NEW, A NEW PRODUCT.
YEAH, I HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS.
UM, COULD YOU EXPLAIN, OH, I AM COMMISSIONER PADILLA PEREZ, BUT COULD YOU EXPLAIN WHY YOU'RE NOT MAINTAINING THE EXISTING CONCRETE PORCH AND DESIGNING AROUND THAT? BECAUSE IT DOES APPEAR, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THE, THE CONCRETE PORCH COULD BE ORIGINAL.
UM, AND IT DOESN'T LOOK TO BE ENGRAVED DISREPAIR.
AND THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.
WE, WE ARE SALVAGING THE, THE EXISTING PORCH.
BUT, BUT YOU'RE CHANGING THE STAIRS.
YOU'RE ROUND, YOU'RE POURING ROUNDED CONCRETE STEPS, CORRECT? YES.
WE'RE, WE'RE ROUNDING THE CORNER.
BUT YOU'RE ALSO WIDENING THEM.
WE'RE OUR WIDENING THE SIDEWALK.
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I DON'T THINK WE ARE WIDENING THE, THE ACTUAL PORCH.AND I WILL HAVE TO, NOT THE PORCH, BUT THE STEPS ARE THE STEPS NOT BEING WIDENED.
AND THEN YOU'RE ALSO BUILDING A NEW RAISED PLANTER AS WELL.
WELL, THAT, THAT PLANTER EXISTS TODAY.
BUT WE ARE WIDENING THAT PLANTER OUT.
IT'S PROTRUDING OUT FROM WHAT IT EXISTS TODAY.
UH, IT'S FOLLOWS THE SAME FOOTPRINT THAT FOLLOWS THE SAME FOOTPRINT OF THE INNER WALL OF THE PLANTER, FOLLOWS THE SAME PLANTER WALL, AND THEN WE'RE BUILDING IT OUT TO MAKE A, A THICKER PLANTER.
YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE BRICK PLANTER.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT BRICK PLANTER WAS ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE.
I BELIEVE THAT THAT WAS ADDED AT A LATER TIME.
PROBABLY THE SAME TIME THAT THOSE METAL MID-CENTURY COLUMNS COULD BE VERY MUCH SO WERE ADDED.
I ONLY SAY THIS BECAUSE IT'S ATYPICAL TO SEE A RAISED PLANTER LIKE THAT ON A CRAFTSMAN HOME ON THE FACADE OF A CRAFTSMAN HOME.
UM, TO ME IT'S ALSO DETRACTING THAT THE RAISED PLANTER IS TALLER, MUCH SIGNIFICANTLY TALLER THAN THE PORCH.
ESPECIALLY NOT ONE OF THIS SIZE.
YOU TYPICALLY WOULDN'T SEE PLANT RAISED PLANTERS AT ALL IN A CRAFTSMAN HOME THAT'S MODEST LIKE THIS.
UM, YOU WOULD MAYBE IN PASADENA IN A MUCH GRANDER YEAH.
YOU MAY SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, BUT IT'S MORE OFTEN THAT YOU WOULD EITHER SEE THE CONCRETE OR SOME TYPE OF RUSTICA STONE.
THAT WOULD CLA THE, THE AROUND THE FOUNDATION OF THE THE HOME.
SO IT DOES SEEM OUT OF PLACE TO ME.
TO, I I WOULD RECOMMEND TAKING THE PLANTER AWAY COMPLETELY.
'CAUSE I DO NOT BELIEVE IT WAS ORIGINAL.
UM, NOT ONLY THAT, BUT EVEN JUST MAINTENANCE OVER TIME AND MOISTURE ISSUES, EVEN IF YOU DO WEE POLES AND STUFF, IT COULD CAUSE PROBLEMS LATER.
AND IT'LL SAVE A LITTLE BIT OF COST ON CONSTRUCTION
BUT I DO THINK IT, THE HOUSE WOULD LOOK MORE CHARMING WITHOUT IT.
UM, AS COMMISSIONER PIZZA STATED, IT, IT COULD VERY WELL BE POSSIBLE THAT THE TUSCAN COLUMNS WERE THE ORIGINAL STYLE USED ON THE HOUSE.
I AM NOT OPPOSED TO THE NEW, UM, DESIGN THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING FOR THOSE NEW COLUMNS.
UM, I JUST WONDERED WHAT THE PURPOSE OF WIDENING THE STAIRS FROM WHAT THEY, THE STEPS PROBABLY FROM WHAT THEY ARE EXISTING WOULD BE.
UM, AND WHAT IS BEING GAINED THERE TO ADD TO THE INTEGRITY IF IT WAS ADDING TO THE INTEGRITY OF THE HOME.
IF YOU WERE REVERSING A MODIFICATION THAT HAD BEEN PREVIOUSLY DONE THAT MAYBE WASN'T ORIGINAL, I WOULD APPLAUD THAT.
I JUST, I'M NOT CERTAIN THAT IT'S NECESSARY.
SO THE CONCRETE PORCH IS LIKE, IT'S THE OTHER MYSTERY.
THERE'S A LOT OF CONCRETE PORCHES IN THE, IN THE COMMUNITY.
THE STAIR, THE STEP, IT'S A, A POURED IN STEP.
IT WOULD'VE BEEN VERY DIFFICULT TO DO.
SO THAT CAME, SOMEBODY MODIFIED THAT CONCRETE PORCH.
AND ALL THE CONCRETE PORCH IS ALL HAVE THE, THE WIDE STEP.
SO, SO AGAIN, IT COULD HAVE BEEN WOOD.
I'M, I DON'T THINK IT WAS WOOD.
IT'S NOT TYPICAL TO SEE A WOOD PORCH ON A CRAFTSMAN HOME.
ESPECIALLY NOT ONE OF THIS, AGAIN, MAYBE A GABLE AND GABLE, BUT RIGHT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT STEP WOULD'VE BEEN E EVEN THE SIDESTEP, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
LIKE, AT SOME POINT POURED OUT, LIKE THEY EXTENDED IT AND SO THE STEPS DIDN'T TRUE.
BUT, AND IT, THEY VERY WELL COULD HAVE PUT THAT PLANTER IN AT THAT SAME TIME.
UM, BUT I THINK IF MAYBE THE RAISED PLANTER WERE ELIMINATED.
I DON'T THINK I WOULD, I THINK THE WIDE STEPS AND THE, THE THE PILLARS THAT YOU ARE PROPOSING WOULD BE OKAY.
I DO ALSO HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MATERIALS.
UM, THE ROOFING MATERIAL THAT YOU CHOSE.
I THINK IT WAS, WAS IT THE SHASTA? YES.
AND IS, ARE YOU TRYING TO MIMIC THE APPEARANCE OF
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LIKE A SLATE TILE ROOF OR NO, NO.IT WOULDN'T BE A SLATE WITH SHINGLE.
BECAUSE IT, I DIDN'T, WASN'T CERTAIN WHAT MATERIAL YOU'RE TRYING TO EMULATE.
IT IS, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND IT'S CONTEMPORARY ROOFING MATERIAL, BUT IT IS, UM, MORE COMPLIMENTARY TO CHOOSE SOMETHING THAT MAYBE MORE CLOSELY RESEMBLES SOMETHING THAT WOULD'VE BEEN USED DURING THAT ERA.
A SLATE TILE ROOF WAS VERY COMMON.
WHICH IS WHY I WAS JUST ASKING IF IT'S, YOU MIGHT CONSIDER SOMETHING THAT WAS MORE COMPLIMENTARY.
IT'S JUST WHEN I SEE THAT IT, IT LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING YOU WOULD PUT ON A MID-CENTURY HOME OR YEAH.
AND THEN THERE WAS ALSO A COLOR CHOICE OF THE GRAND PLUM WHEN I FIRST SAW A RED VERY VICTORIAN, TO ME IT DIDN'T, DIDN'T FEEL VERY CRAFTSMAN.
I THINK IT'S VERY PURPLE FORWARD.
UM, WHILE IT MAY BE APPROPRIATE FOR AN INTERIOR COLOR OF A CRAFTSMAN HOME, I DON'T, I FEEL LIKE IT'S A LITTLE TOO PURPLE.
A LITTLE TOO VICTORIAN FEELING.
I DO HAVE SOME OTHER COLOR RECOMMENDATIONS THAT HAVE A BIT MORE BROWN FORWARD IN THEM, BUT VERY SIMILAR TO THE COLOR THAT YOU CHOSE.
I JUST THINK IT'S A SLIGHT VARIATION THAT'LL PUSH IT MORE TOWARDS CRAFTSMEN AND AWAY FROM VICTORIAN, UM, THAT YOU MIGHT WANNA CONSIDER.
ONLY 'CAUSE IT DOES FEEL VERY HEAVILY VICTORIAN TO ME.
TO THE POINT IT WAS OFF PUTTING WHEN I SAW IT.
NOT THAT IT'S NOT A BEAUTIFUL COLOR, IT JUST, I LOVE THE OTHER COLORS YOU CHOSE THE GREEN AND THE YEAH.
THEY'RE, THEY FEEL VERY CRAFTSMAN.
BUT THAT PURPLE WAS, IT COULD EVEN BE THE WAY IT'S READING ON SCREEN.
BECAUSE PAINT COLOR AND I DO A LOT OF, UM, PAINT COLORS FOR, FOR BUILDINGS AND HOMES AND, UM, LARGE BUILDINGS TOO.
AND EVEN, EVEN WHEN YOU SHOW THE SWATCH, YOU HAVE TO PAINT A WALL.
THAT WAS GONNA BE MY SUGGESTION.
JUST WHEN YOU PAINT IT, IF IT READS WHEN THE ACTUAL PAINTING COMES, IF IT READS VERY PURPLE, I WOULD CONSIDER JUST TONING IT A SLIGHTLY MORE BROWN TO BE MORE IN LINE WITH CRAFTSMAN COLORS.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD, UM, SUGGESTION THAT WHEN WE DO GET TO THE PAINT AND PUT THE PAINT ON THE, ON THE HOME, THAT IF IT DOES SCREAM, UH, TOO MUCH PURPLE, THAT WE CAN DEFINITELY TONE THAT DOWN.
AND THEN I JUST HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT YOUR NOTES.
AND THIS COULD HAVE CHANGED SINCE YOU CREATED THIS PACKET.
UM, IT SAID THAT EXPOSED BEAMS WILL BE RECONDITIONED IF PLAUSIBLE OR REPLACED LIKE FOR LIKE, TO MAINTAIN AUTHENTICITY OF THE ORIGINAL DESIGN.
WHEN YOU SAY ORIGINAL DESIGN, YOU MEAN THE EXISTING, THE WAY IT EXISTS TODAY OR HOW YOU ORIGINALLY DESIGNED IT IN NO, YOUR DRAWINGS THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW.
BECAUSE WE THINK THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE PROBABLY ORIGINAL, UH, ORIGINAL SIZE.
THOSE ARE PROBABLY THE ORIGINAL BEAM.
BECAUSE THAT WAS, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY WAS OVER.
SO WE WANT, IF, IF WE GO AND WE PULL ALL THE STUCCO OFF AND, AND EVERYTHING AND THAT BEAM IS JUST DRY ROTTED SO BAD THAT IT'S, IT'S NOT A STRUCTURALLY SOUND ANYMORE.
BUT IF WE HAVE TO REPLACE IT, WE WILL REPLACE IT.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA DO EXACTLY WHAT'S THERE.
THE ONLY THING THAT WE'RE REALLY DIFFERENTIATING FROM IS THE COLUMN MM-HMM.
AND WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT, I THINK PRETTY GOOD.
SO DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YEAH, I THINK I'M JUST SAY, SO IF THE RAISED PLANTER CAN JUST BE REVISITED.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS FEEL.
I JUST FEEL IT, IT SEEMS OUT OF PLACE THE WAY IT'S DESIGNED.
IT'S ALMOST, IT'S TALLER THAN THE PORCH.
IT'S, IT'S ONLY, IT SEEMS VERY HIGH.
I THINK IT'S 18 INCHES FROM THE PORCH.
I THINK THERE WAS A MENTION THAT IT'S 26 INCHES IN HEIGHT PROBABLY FROM GRADE FROM, YEAH, CORRECT.
FROM GRADE AND THEN FROM THE PORCH.
I DON'T KNOW HOW ANYONE ELSE FEELS ABOUT THE RAISED PLANTER.
SO JUST AS A REMINDER TO WHERE WE ARE, SORRY.
FROM THE PORCH, A REMINDER OF WHERE WE ARE IN
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PROCESS.THIS IS JUST A TIME FOR QUESTIONS, DISCUSSION CAN FOLLOW AFTER WE TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT.
UM, COMMISSIONER UM, PASO, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THE DOOR AND THE WINDOW, THEY'RE IN THE EXACT SAME PLACE.
I WAS ABLE TO LOOK AT MY EXISTING DRAWING AND THE PROPOSED, THEY'RE IN THE EXACT SAME PLACE, I THINK IS WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THE, IS THE 'CAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE ON THE EXISTING NORTH AND THE PROPOSED NORTH THAT THE WINDOW AND DOOR GET CLOSER TOGETHER.
AND IT'S DEFINITELY SHOWING THAT THE WINDOWS ARE LARGER THAN WHAT IS EXISTING ON THE PROPOSED.
IT MAY DROP DOWN, BUT I DON'T THINK SO.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE SILL OF THE EXISTING, YOU'LL SEE IT ALIGNS WITH THE DOORKNOB.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE SILL OF THE PROPOSED, YOU'RE WAY LOWER.
UM, AND THAT COULD BE IT, IT'S A DEEPER WINDOW.
THE TWO WINDOWS ARE DEEPER AND THE, WHAT'S MAKING THE DOOR LOOK LIKE IT'S CLOSER TO THE WINDOW OR THE WINDOW CLOSER TO THE DOOR.
IF YOU TAKE OUT THAT STUCCO AND YOU HAVE THE TRIM, THE ORIGINAL TRIM, AND YOU PUT THE SIDING IN THERE, YOU WOULD HAVE THIS BETWEEN THE TWO.
SO I FILLED THAT IN WITH TRIM BOARD.
WAS THERE A, GETTING BACK TO, I KNOW I BROUGHT THIS UP, THAT WAS ONE OF MY FIRST QUESTIONS.
THE REASONING FOR DROPPING THE SILL LOWER.
JUST, UM, WE COULD PUT THAT BACK.
'CAUSE IT WOULD JUST BE RAISING IT UP SIX INCHES OR, OR, OR 12 INCHES.
I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE JUST TO MAKE A BIGGER WINDOW MORE LIGHT BEING ON THE NORTH SIDE.
WAS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WAS, UH, WISHED TO SPEAK, UM, ON BEHALF OF THE BUILDING OWNER OR DESIGN TEAM? OKAY.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO, OH, ACTUALLY, YOU'RE, YOU'RE STILL ON THE, YOU'RE THE OWNER.
COULD YOU GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE? UH, YES.
MY NAME'S RYAN LANGLEY AND I'M AT 1 5 0 2 EAST EIGHTH STREET, UH, IN LONG BEACH.
I'M THE HOMEOWNER, UH, WITH MY WIFE.
AND, UH, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS SPECIAL SESSION.
UH, A COUPLE THINGS THAT CAME UP WITH REGARDS TO THE PLANNER.
UM, I DO BELIEVE IT'S NOT ORIGINAL, UH, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THE CAP OF THE BRICK GOES OVER THAT PORCH AS IT, YOU CAN'T SEE IT HERE, BUT IT'S BROKEN AND PAINTED ON TOP OF THAT CEMENT.
UM, THE PORCH IS ALSO WITH THE RIGHT, OR I'M SORRY, ON THE LEFT COLUMN.
UH, THERE'S NOT A PICTURE OF IT, BUT YOU CAN SEE WHERE IT'S ROTTING THROUGH ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE COLUMN BECAUSE IT'S HOLLOW UNDERNEATH.
UH, AND IN RESEARCHING THAT, UH, CEMENT PORCHES WEREN'T STARTED TO BE POURED IN CRAFTSMAN HOMES UNTIL 1912 IN PORTLAND, OREGON.
AND SO IT WAS THE SAME YEAR OUR HOUSE WAS BUILT.
WHETHER OR NOT THAT CONSTRUCTION DESIGN CAME DOWN HERE THE SAME YEAR, I DON'T KNOW, BUT OUR HOME WAS THE FIRST HOME IN THAT AREA LOOKING AT THE SANFORD, UH, FIRE MAPS.
SO MY GUESS IS IT WAS A SMALL WOOD PORCH.
UM, AND THERE WASN'T ANY CEMENT POURED THERE AT ALL.
WE WOULD LIKE TO GET RID OF THE PLANTER NEXT TO IT.
UM, STAFF SAID THAT WE HAD TO KEEP IT BECAUSE IT WAS ORIGINAL.
UH, BUT THE BRICKS, I DON'T THINK ARE ORIGINAL.
AND THE WAY THAT THEY'RE BROKEN OFF, CUT OFF AND THEN LAID ON TOP OF THAT NEWER PORCH SUGGESTS THAT IT'S NOT ORIGINAL.
SO, AND TO YOUR POINT, I THINK YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
A PLANTER, UH, FOR A HOUSE, THIS OLD WOULD'VE JUST BEEN FLAT, YOU KNOW, RIGHT IN FRONT, WHICH IS VERY COMMON IN THE AREA.
SO IF THAT'S ACCEPTABLE, THAT WOULD BE OUR PREFERENCE.
SO IF THERE'S NOBODY ELSE ON BEHALF OF THE OWNER, UM, WE'LL NOW TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT.
ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, PLEASE LINE UP IN FRONT OF THE, UH, THE MICROPHONE.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
UH, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS AND PLANNING STAFF.
DO I NEED TO STATE MY NAME? MICHELLE AARON ECKHOFF.
1 2 0 3 EAST EIGHTH STREET, LONG BEACH, CALIFORNIA.
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I PROVIDED, UM, THE COMMISSIONERS AT THE LAST MEETING WITH A BIG, THICK PACKET OF ALL MY PICTURES.I DIDN'T BRING THIS, THAT, THIS EVENING BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT THAT PART HAD BEEN RESOLVED.
UM, JUST REAL QUICKLY, IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, WE DO HAVE SOME ORIGINAL WOOD PORCHES.
I'VE SEEN THEM, I'VE TAKEN PICTURES OF THEM.
THOSE TUSCAN COLUMNS COULD HAVE BEEN ON THAT PORCH, BUT WE'LL NEVER KNOW.
SO WHAT I TRIED TO DO WITH MY PACKET THE LAST TIME IS PRESENT WHAT, WHAT THE OWNERS WERE LOOKING FOR, AND ALSO WHAT'S TYPICAL IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS ROUNDED CEMENT STEPS AND THE, AND THE CO, THE PIERS AND THE COLUMNS BUILT RIGHT INTO THOSE STEPS.
I'M SORRY I DIDN'T BRING IT TONIGHT.
SO ANYWAY, I WANNA THANK, UH, MR. MONT, UH, FOR INTEGRATING THE COMMENTS AND THE SUGGESTIONS THAT I MADE THE LAST TIME THAT WE WERE TOGETHER.
UH, REGARDING THE PIERS, THE WOODEN COLUMNS, THE PORCH, THE FASCIA ANGLE.
SO AS FAR AS WE ARE CONCERNED, CRAFTSMAN VILLAGE, HISTORIC DISTRICT, AS WELL AS WE CAN READ, UM, THOSE PLANS, WE DO, WE'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT, WITH THE FRONT PORCH AND THE FASCIA.
UM, OUR BIG CONCERN IS TONIGHT'S PICTURE
AND I'VE ALREADY SPOKEN TO MR. DUMONT.
UM, I BELIEVE THE WINDOWS THAT WERE PICKED WERE FROM A COMPANY CALLED MARVIN WINDOWS.
AND, UM, UH, THEY LOOK LIKE TO ME THEY'RE MORE FLAT, MORE MODERN, NOT AS, UH, LARGE AND MASSING AS THE WINDOWS THAT ARE IN ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, ALL ACROSS LONG BEACH, SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, PROBABLY THE NATION.
SO I TOOK A PICTURE OF MY WINDOW AT MY HOUSE, AND I'VE DRAWN IN THE DIMENSIONS, AND WE CAN GO AROUND TO EVERY HOUSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, LONG BEACH, ET CETERA.
THOSE DIMENSIONS ARE STANDARD FOUR AND A HALF INCHES FOR THE VERTICAL FRAMING.
FOUR AND A HALF INCHES AT THE TOP.
I DON'T KNOW ALL THE PROPER TERMS. THE SIL DEPTH IS THE ONE THAT REALLY CONCERNED ME WHEN I LOOKED AT THE DRAWINGS.
AND AGAIN, IT'S NOT EASY TO LOOK AT DRAWINGS AND READ THOSE, BUT THE SIL DEPTH MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE.
SO AGAIN, IF WE'RE GONNA DO THIS PROJECT AS CLOSE AS WHAT WE THINK IT LOOKED LIKE IN THE PAST, UM, I THINK WE SHOULD DO IT RIGHT.
I THINK THE WINDOWS SHOULD BE RIGHT.
AND AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED THERE, THE WINDOWS ARE ALREADY THERE IN THE HOUSE.
SO THERE'S A GREAT EXAMPLE RIGHT THERE.
THE MEASUREMENTS ARE RIGHT THERE ON THE HOUSE AND WHETHER THEY HAVE TO REPLACE THOSE OR NOT, THEY CAN USE THAT DEPTH, THAT MASSING OF THOSE WINDOWS AS A GOOD MODEL FOR WHAT NEEDS TO GO IN THERE.
AND THAT'S THE ONLY CONDITION AT THIS POINT THAT I HAVE, THAT THE WINDOWS LOOK GOOD.
I'M THE VICE PRESIDENT FOR ADVOCACY OF LONG BEACH HERITAGE.
I'VE WRITTEN TWO BOOKS ON LONG BEACH ARCHITECTURE.
ONE OF THEM INCLUDES THE CRAFTSMAN PERIOD.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS A WOODEN PORCH ON THIS HOUSE ORIGINALLY, BECAUSE IT IS FROM 1912.
THEY DIDN'T REALLY START BUILDING CRAFTSMAN HOMES WITH CONCRETE PORCHES UNTIL A FEW YEARS AFTER THAT.
UM, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THE HOUSE COULD HAVE HAD TUSCAN COLUMNS, BUT WE WILL NEVER KNOW.
UM, I HAVE BEEN OVER THERE AND LOOKED AT THAT PORCH.
UM, AND PROBABLY THE PLANNER ISN'T EITHER.
BUT ANYWAY, JUST A FEW COMMENTS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO BUILDING PERMIT FOR ANY OF THESE THINGS.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY OLD PICTURES OF THE HOUSE, SO IT'S EITHER FAUX HISTORICISM OR WHAT YOU WANT IT TO BE.
ARE THERE ANY MORE PUBLIC COMMENTS? ARE THERE ANY VIRTUAL COMMENTS? IF THERE ARE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE USE THE RAISE HAND FEATURE.
IF DIALING IN TELEPHONICALLY, PRESS STAR NINE NOW.
THERE IS NO ONE ON ZOOM TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT.
UM, SO WITH THAT WE'LL BRING IT BACK AND COMMISSIONERS, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? I WAS LIKE, I WONDER WHO MADE THE MOTION
I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, SAY THAT I, I ACTUALLY LIKE THE
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IMPROVED COLUMN DESIGN AND THE BASE AND THE PORCH WITH THE ROUNDED CORNERS.UH, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE RECOMMENDATION WITH AN ADDITION OF REMOVING THE PLANTER.
AND THAT IS MY RECOMMENDATION AND I WOULD OPEN IT FOR A SECOND, OR FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS.
SO I THINK WE HAVE A MOTION THAT'S ON TO HEAR THE ITEM.
IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE REMAINING WITH THE MOTION WITH THE ADDITION OF REMOVING THE PLANTER.
AND UM, COMMISSIONER PIZZA, YOU'RE OUR SECOND.
DO YOU HAVE ANY OBJECTION? NO, I DO NOT.
SO SOMEONE COULD MAKE A SECOND OR THEY COULD FRIENDLY IF THEY WANTED TO ADD CONDITIONS.
SO THEY COULD FRIENDLY IF THEY WANNA ADD CONDITION OR THEY COULD MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO DO A FRIENDLY ON THE, UM, FRONT FACADE WINDOWS TO FOLLOW THE ORIGINAL, UH, OPENING SIZES.
AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE THE CORRECTION IF I COULD.
I DON'T KNOW IF THESE HAVE TO BE SEPARATED, BUT THE CORRECTION OF THAT EAST ELEVATION, NOT SHOWING THE WINDOW AND THE CORRECT SIDING, UH, DIMENSION.
SO TO CLARIFY ON THEN THE FIRST FRIENDLY, UH, WHEN YOU SAY THE ORIGINAL DIMENSIONS, UH, THE OPENING SIDE, THE WINDOW, THE EXISTING OPENINGS OF THE TWO FRONT WINDOWS.
OKAY, THANKS FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
AND THEN STAFF, ARE WE CLEAR ON THE SECOND PART OF THE FRIENDLY? WE'RE CLEAR? WE WOULD PROBABLY JUST RECOMMEND A, UM, AN ADDITIONAL, UH, CONDITION THAT CLARIFIES THAT ALL NEW WORK, UM, WOULD BE THAT WIDER SIDING WITH, UM, AS OPPOSED TO WHAT'S SHOWN ON THE PLANS.
SO THE, THE EXISTING WINDOW OPENINGS ALONG WITH THE WIDER, UM, YEAH, UH, FRAMEWORK AND SILL.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE ARCHITECT.
I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THE EXISTING WINDOW SIZE AND THEN THE PROPOSED WINDOW SIZE ON THE FRONT ELEVATIONS.
SO THE WINDOW, UM, WIDTH IS THE SAME, THE WINDOW PLACEMENT IS THE SAME.
IT'S JUST THAT THE WINDOW, UM, HEIGHT, THE DEPTH OF THE WINDOW IS STILL AT THE SAME HEIGHT, BUT IT GOES DOWN JUST ANOTHER FOOT.
NO, I'D HAVE TO LOOK AND THEN I CAN'T, THESE, MY DRAWINGS ARE HALF SCALED AND I DON'T HAVE THE EYEBALLS THAT I USED TO HAVE, SO I CAN'T SEE THE, THE WINDOW, THE EXISTING WINDOW SIZE, BUT IT'S PROBABLY, PROBABLY, UM, IT'S EITHER SIX INCHES OR A FOOT.
YEAH, THAT'S, SO THAT MAY BE TO, UM, AS A SITTING HERE LISTENING, THAT COULD BE A LIGHT REQUIREMENT, YOU KNOW, BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENT.
IT COULD BE A, UM, VENTILATION REQUIREMENT, BUT WE HAVE THE WINDOWS ON THE OTHER SIDE AS WELL, SO THAT THAT'S, UM, WE COULD MAKE THAT, WE COULD MAKE THAT THE EXACT SAME OPENING.
THAT'S, I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE A, UH, AN ISSUE WITH CODE.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT WOULD CHANGE ON THE DRIVEWAY ELEVATION THEN YOUR FRONT WINDOWS DROP DOWN TO THE SAME LEVEL AS ON ALL YOUR SIDE ELEVATIONS, IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE FIVE FEET DEEP.
AND THE SIDE ELEVATION, IT WAS PROBABLY THE SAME, UH, MODIFICATION ON THE SIDE, ON THE EAST ELEVATION ON THE PROPOSED EAST.
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AND I DON'T KNOW FOR A FACT, I, I WOULD NEED TO LOOK AT A LARGER SCALE DRAWING TO GIVE YOU THAT EXACT MEASUREMENT.SO ARE THOSE EAST ELEVATION WINDOWS BEING DROPPED AS WELL? YES.
I NEED A MOMENT TO LOOK AND DECIDE IF I'M GONNA ACCEPT THE FIRST PART OF THE FRIENDLY MOTION.
THE SECOND PART OF THE FRIENDLY, WHICH IS THE BATHROOM WINDOW, ALL THAT.
I'M STILL LOOKING AT THIS OTHER ONE, SO IF ANYONE HAS, UH, ANYTHING ELSE THEY WANNA ADD, LET ME KNOW.
'CAUSE AS YOU NOW LOOK AT THE EAST ELEVATION, YOU CAN SEE FROM THE ORIGINAL TO THE NEW, EVERYTHING'S DROPPED, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE.
SO, UM, UM, AGAIN, TO ASK THE QUESTION, THOSE WERE ALL DROPPED FOR JUST MORE LIGHT OR CODE OR WHAT'S THE REASON? YEAH, PROBABLY JUST MORE LIGHT.
UM, WE HAVE, WE, I'M SURE WE HAVE VENTILATION AND LIGHT CODE REQUIREMENTS, SO I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM IF WE KEPT THE ORIGINAL BOTTOM HEIGHT SOMETIMES TO, TO ALL THE WINDOWS YOU'RE SAYING? UH, OR JUST TO THE TWO FRONT ONES? JUST THE TWO FRONT ONES.
WELL NOW THAT I SEE THAT ONE ALIGN WITH ANYTHING ELSE, WHICH IS A GREAT OBSERVATION, I'M, I'M PROBABLY GONNA RETRACT THAT, UH, FRIENDLY, UH, BECAUSE THAT IS ODD THAT THOSE WOULD LOOK OUTTA WHACK WITH THE REST OF THE WINDOWS TURNING THE CORNER, I THINK, UNLESS YOU BRING ALL OF THEM TO THAT EXISTING.
SO IT'S EITHER ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
WELL, PARTICULARLY ON THE INTERIOR.
SO ON THE INTERIOR IT WOULD BE ODD IN THE SAME ROOM TO HAVE THE WINDOWS STILL BE DROPPED ON ONE FACADE AND NOT THE OTHER.
AND THEN IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR CONSISTENCY THROUGHOUT, THAT WOULD BE REALLY HARD TO, BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE TO, ONCE WE FINISH THIS, WE WILL HAVE TO MEET CALIFORNIA BUILDING CODES.
SO I HAVE A QUESTION STILL STRUGGLING.
SO ARE THE SILL HEIGHTS ONLY BEING LOWERED IN THE COMMON SPACES AND KEPT AS THE EXISTING FOR THE BEDROOMS THAT ARE, THAT ARE ON THE SOUTH OR ON THE NORTH? YES, BECAUSE THOSE, THOSE ARE, UM, FOUR FEET DEEP.
MM-HMM,
SO YEP, THOSE ARE ALL FOUR FOOT DEEP.
AND THEN THE FRONT LIVING ROOM IS, UH, THOSE ARE FIVE OHS.
YEAH, I, I I AGREE THAT I THINK IT'S, IT'S BETTER FOR THE SILL HEIGHTS TO REMAIN YEAH.
AND I DON'T, I WOULDN'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE PURPOSE OF, ESPECIALLY ON THE FRONT WINDOWS, RIGHT.
JUST SO BEFORE WE HAVE DISCUSSION ON EMOTION, WE JUST HAVE TO KNOW IF IT'S ACTUALLY IN FRONT OF THE BODY.
AND SO RIGHT NOW WE JUST HAVE AN UNACCEPTED FRIENDLY, WHICH MAY HAVE BEEN RETRACTED.
SO IF I CAN GET CLARITY FIRST, THEN WE CAN HAVE IT FOR DISCUSSION IN FRONT OF, IN FRONT OF THE BODY.
SO IT'S OKAY FOR US TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION TO UNDERSTAND THE FRIENDLY THAT'S BEING PRESENTED, BUT BEFORE THE MOTION IS DISCUSSED, WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE MOTION IS.
UM, I'D LIKE TO CHANGE MY FRIENDLY.
UM, AND YOU GUYS TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK, BUT, UM, I ACTUALLY THINK ALL THE SILL HEIGHTS SHOULD REMAIN AS EXISTING.
I'M NOT QUITE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING WHY EVERYTHING'S BEEN LOWERED.
UM, PARTICULARLY IF WE'RE GONNA REMOVE STUCK, UH, SORRY, I'M GOING ON ABOUT, ABOUT THE ON THE FRIENDLY, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ALL THE EXISTING SILL HEIGHTS, UH, REMAIN AS EXISTING ON THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.
JUST TO EXPLAIN THAT FURTHER, IF I MIGHT, MAY I, SO SORRY, JUST TO BE CLEAR, I THINK RIGHT NOW AS CONDITIONED AND PLANNED, ALL THE SILL HEIGHTS ARE REMAINING THE SAME.
IS THAT NOT THE CASE? IS THAT THE CASE? NO, NO, I THINK IT WAS ONLY THE HEIGHT OF THE WINDOW.
BECAUSE I, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA BECOME, YOU'RE GONNA FIND A CHALLENGE, YOU'RE GONNA REMOVE THE STUCCO, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE EXISTING WINDOW OPENINGS WITH EXISTING FRAMING AND SILLS, AND NOW YOU'RE OBLITERATING 'EM AND YOU'RE
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CHANGING THE WHOLE EXISTING SIDING.YOU'RE CHANGING THE SILL PLATES.
AND I'M NOT SURE WHY YOU WOULD EVEN WANT TO DO THAT, BECAUSE I THOUGHT THE WHOLE INTENT IS TO BRING THIS BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL 1912 STATE.
SO I, I, I'M, I'M STRUGGLING WITH THIS IDEA THAT THEY'RE ALL BEING LOWERED.
AND SO I'M GONNA PITCH THAT AS A FRIENDLY AND WE'LL SEE WHERE THAT GOES.
BUT I'M, I AM NOT UNDERSTANDING WHY YOU WOULD GO TO THE EXTENT OF REMOVING STUCCO, KEEP EXISTING SIDING AND THEN TAKE THE SIDING OFF TO MAKE A LOWER.
THIS IS, WE HAVE A FRIENDLY YES IN FRONT OF THE BODY.
UH, COMMISSIONER BODAK, IS THAT AN ACCEPTABLE, FRIENDLY, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE WEST ELEVATION PLEASE.
YES, I ACCEPT THE FRIENDLY, SO THE FRIENDLY HAS BEEN ACCEPTED.
AND JUST SO FOR CLARIFICATION, CAN YOU STATE THE FRIENDLY ONE MORE TIME? COMMISSIONER PIZZA? YES, SURE.
UM, YEAH, SO I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, PROPOSE OR THE FRIENDLY IS TO KEEP ALL EXISTING WINDOWS AT THE ORIGINAL SILL HEIGHT.
THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
SO THE FRIENDLY HAS BEEN MADE AND ACCEPTED? NO.
DID I WORD THAT? BECAUSE, BECAUSE SOME OF THE WINDOWS ARE ACTUALLY CHANGING, SO WE NEED TO BE CLEAR, SOME OF THE WINDOWS ARE WHERE CASEMENT AND THEY'RE BEING REPLACED AS WELL.
SO IF YOU SAY ALL ORIGINAL WINDOWS, RIGHT.
SO LET'S BE CLEAR, IT'S THE DOUBLE HUNGS AND THE FRONT PORCH.
SO FRONT, FRONT PORCH ELEVATION AND, AND THE DOUBLE HONGS ON THE WEST AND EAST ELEVATIONS.
SO THAT THE CASEMENTS CAN BE CHANGED OUT.
YOU HAVE THOSE AND THAT WEIRD LITTLE DOOR, UM, YOU'VE GOT TWO CASEMENTS THAT ARE NOT ORIGINAL, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND THEN YOU ARE GONNA REPLACE ONE OF THOSE CASEMENTS WITH A HORIZONTAL WINDOW, RIGHT? RIGHT.
SO IT'S THE SLIDER WITH THE, WITH THE, RIGHT.
SO IT'S THE TWO DOUBLE HUNGS ON THE WEST SIDE AND THEN GO TO THE EAST SIDE AGAIN.
SO CAN I COMMENT ON THE WEST SIDE? NO, I'M SORRY THAT THAT WHERE'RE.
WHERE WE ARE IN THE MEETING, THE DISCUSSION HAS BEEN HAD AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY IN DELIBERATIONS.
I HAVE A CLARIFICATION IF I MAY ASK.
I THINK WHAT YOU HAD FIRST STATED IS TO KEEP THE WINDOW OPENINGS THE SAME, BUT ARE WE SWITCHING IT TO THE SILL THAT THE SILL NEEDS TO REMAIN THE SAME? WOULD THAT, IS IT JUST THE SILL OR THE ENTIRE OPENING, I GUESS IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND OF THE, OF THE EXISTING? NO, THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT.
UM, I THINK IN THIS DISCUSSIONS, WE, I WENT TO THE SILL ONLY BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE POINT OF CONTENTION, BUT I THINK IT WILL IMPACT THE SIZE OF THE WINDOW IF THE ORIGINAL FRAMING GETS REMOVED AND NOW YOU'RE AGAIN REMOVING SIDING AND CUTTING INTO EVERYTHING.
SO I DO THINK, UM, TO CLARIFY, IT SHOULD BE THAT THE EXISTING WINDOWS REMAIN SIZE THE SAME, IF THAT'S, YEAH, MORE CLEAR.
SO THE FRIENDLY IS KIND OF SHIFTING UNDERNEATH THIS A LITTLE BIT.
SO THE FRIENDLY IS THE EXISTING REMEN WINDOWS REMAIN THE SAME, NOT THE DESIGNATION OF THE FRONT AND THE TWO, THE THE DOUBLE HUNGS ON THE, THE EAST AND WEST? I BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT, YES.
CAN I, CAN I MAKE A STATEMENT JUST GOING BACK TO WHAT YOUR ORIGINAL FRIENDLY, WHAT I THINK YOUR SECOND ORIGINAL FRIENDLY, IT WAS YOU, YOU HAD STATED THAT ALL OF THE EXISTING WINDOW OPENINGS SHOULD REMAIN THE SAME SIZE.
THAT IS, THAT IS CORRECT, YES.
WHICH I LIKE, BUT I, SO IS THAT THE FRIENDLY THAT'S IN FRONT OF US? I WILL NOT ACCEPT THAT FRIENDLY.
I DIDN'T THINK SHE WOULD ACCEPT THAT
NO, THAT'S A VERY VALID POINT.
UM, VICE CHAIR GSFI, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? I WOULD BE CURIOUS TO HEAR WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE.
SO JUST ON THE STATUS OF WHERE WE ARE ON THE MOTION, THAT FRIENDLY AMENDMENT HAS NOT BEEN ACCEPTED, WHICH LEAVES THE OPTION OF A SUBSTITUTE MOTION
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OR FURTHER DISCUSSION AMONG THE BODY TO, WAS TO JUST KEEP THE SILL HEIGHTS AT THE EXISTING OR AN ADDITIONAL FRIENDLY FROM SOMEONE ELSE.SO THERE COULD BE DISCUSSION IN ADDITIONAL FRIENDLY, RIGHT.
OR IF THIS IS A DESIRED PATH, IT COULD BE A SUBSIDY MOTION.
SO TO BE CLEAR, I ACCEPTED ONE OF THE FRIENDLIES, WHICH WAS RELATED TO THE BATHROOM WINDOW AND THE SIDING CORRECTION OF THE EAST ELEVATION.
EAST EL ON THE EAST ELEVATION.
SO MY ONLY COMMENT IS IF WE COULD IDENTIFY IF THERE'S A TYPICAL KIND OF WINDOW, I'M AT A DISADVANTAGE.
I DON'T HAVE THE PLANS IN FRONT OF ME, BUT, BUT, UM, IF THERE'S A TYPICAL WINDOW, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, THERE IS AN EXISTING DOUBLE HUNG THAT HAS THE SAME THAT, THAT, THAT ARE, ARE YOU ARE THE TARGET OF YOUR FRIENDLY, THEN, THEN CAN WE IDENTIFY IT THAT WAY? MM-HMM.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL CONVERSATION IS HAPPENING ON PICKED UP MICS.
SO THAT'S THE, THE, UM, I THINK IN THE PHOTOS IT'S DIFFICULT TO IDENTIFY AND WE DON'T HAVE AN EXISTING WINDOW SCHEDULE, SO IT'S DIFFICULT FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY HOW THE EXISTING WINDOW OPENINGS ARE ALL CHANGING.
I'M NOT OPPOSED TO SOME OF THEM GETTING LARGER.
I THINK I JUST NEED TO UNDERSTAND HOW THEY'RE ALL CHANGING.
CAN WE GO BACK TO THE EAST AND WEST ELEVATIONS PLEASE? AND JUST FOR EVERYONE'S BENEFIT, PAGE 16 OF THE PLANS DOES SHOW A WINDOW SCHEDULE.
SO, UM, THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL.
AND COULD WE GET OUR TECH SUPPORT IN THE BACK TO BRING UP THE SLIDES AGAIN? BE HELPFUL.
IT'S ESSENTIALLY, SO THIS IS THE EAST ELEVATION.
IF WE WENT FROM RIGHT TO LEFT, 'CAUSE I CAN'T READ WHAT THE WINDOW SCHEDULE CORRESPONDS TO.
SO THE, ON THE RIGHT TO THE LEFT, IT HAS TWO CASEMENTS AND A, A FIXED WINDOW, RIGHT? YEAH.
IF YOU LOOK ON THE, ON THE A 1.0 SHEET, THE FLOOR PLAN, IT WILL GIVE YOU THE WINDOW, UM, SCHEDULE.
IT'LL GIVE YOU THE DESIGNATION OF THE WINDOW AND YOU CAN GO RIGHT TO THE WINDOW AND SEE EXACTLY WHAT IT IS.
IS THERE AN EXISTING WINDOW SCHEDULE? SO NOT THE PROPOSED, BUT AN EXISTING, RIGHT? NO, THERE ISN'T.
I'D LIKE TO RESOLVE THIS TONIGHT.
SO IF I COULD MAKE A COMMENT SO I I GET YOUR POINT IN THE LIVING ROOM.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE.
BEDROOMS WE NEED MEANS OF EGRESS WITH ONE, WITH ONE WINDOW, YOU NEED, UH, A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF VENTILATION, YOU NEED A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF NATURAL LIGHT AND YOU NEED A FIRE.
THAT'S WHAT DRIVES A LOT OF THIS.
THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS WOULD NEVER MEET THE CODE TODAY FOR, FOR THOSE THREE THINGS.
SO WE, WHEN WE PUT WINDOWS IN AND DESIGN ROOMS, UM, WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO TAKE THOSE KIND OF THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION.
I KNOW WE WE'RE IN A HARD SPOT TRYING TO KEEP EVERYTHING AS HISTORIC AS POSSIBLE, AND YET I STILL HAVE AN OATH WITH THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA THAT I HAVE TO COMPLY WITH.
SO I DON'T HAVE A FLOOR PLAN IN FRONT OF ME.
ARE THE WINDOWS BEING LOWERED? THE SILL HEIGHTS BEING LOWERED ONLY IN THE BEDROOM AREA BECAUSE THE CODE STATES ONLY 44 INCHES.
WHICH IT LOOKS LIKE THE SILL HEIGHTS ARE FAR LOWER THAN THAT IN THE ELEVATIONS.
BUT YOU STILL HAVE MEANS OF EGRESS LIGHTING, UH, MINIMUM LIGHT.
NA, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF, UH, NATURAL LIGHT AND YOU NEED A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF, UH,
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AIR VENTILATION AND MEANS OF EGRESS AND YOU CAN'T GO OVER 44 INCHES.SO THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF CODE ISSUES THAT WE'RE, UM, DEALING WITH AS WELL.
SO THE SILL HEIGHTS ARE ONLY BEING DROPPED IN THE BEDROOMS, IS THAT WHAT'S HAPPENING? NO.
SO THEN THAT'S NOT A JUSTIFICATION FOR MODIFYING THE SILL HEIGHT.
THAT'S THAT'S NOT THE CELL HEIGHT THAT THE CODE NO, IT IS IN SOME CASES.
SO WE CAN'T BLANKET STATEMENT, RIGHT.
WE CAN'T MAKE A BLANKET BLANK BLANKET STATEMENT.
I'M NOT UNTO ITSELF, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO LOWERING THE CELL HEIGHTS IF IT'S TO MEET CODE.
BUT WHAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT HERE IS HISTORIC INTEGRITY.
SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING, UH, WITH COMMISSIONER PZA, BUT I THINK WE NEED THE JUSTIFICATION OF THE CODE.
I ALSO WANNA BE CLEAR WITH WHERE WE ARE IN PROCESS.
WE HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY FOR APPLICANT TO PRESENT, WE ARE NOW BEHIND THE RAIL FOR DELIBERATIONS, BUT I, I THINK THERE'S STILL AN UNCLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF THE WHY AND IF IT'S ACCEPTABLE TO NOT HOLD TO HISTORIC INTEGRITY FOR A VERY GOOD REASON.
AND I, IT'S STILL NOT CLEAR TO ME.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND AND I CAN'T MAKE A DECISION IF I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
SO IF THE APPLICANT CAN ANSWER THE QUESTION THAT'S BEING ASKED BY THE COMMISSIONER, SO, OKAY.
CAN I, CAN I, COMMISSIONER GROFF, CAN I SPEAK? SO WE HAVE BASICALLY WHAT, SORRY, YOU, YOU, YOU CAN ABSOLUTELY SPEAK IT TO YOUR MEETING.
SO THE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE HAVING IS WE HAVE A, A VARIETY OF DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE PLANS.
WE HAVE A VARIETY OF DIFFERENCES.
ONE, ONE THING WE HAVE IS WE HAVE NEW INFORMATION THAT WE'RE GETTING THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THE PLANS, THAT ALSO HAVE PLANS THAT ARE NOT CLEAR ABOUT WHAT IS NEW AND WHAT EXISTING.
AND SO IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT FOR US TO MAKE A DECISION, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE, I THINK IT WOULD BE PROBLEMATIC FOR US TO TRY TO MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT, ALTHOUGH I WOULD LOVE TO RESOLVE THIS TONIGHT TOO.
WE HAVE NO WAY OF COMING UP WITH A, A DEFINITIVE, UM, FRIENDLY THAT WOULD, UH, THAT WOULD COVER THIS SITUATION AND, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE SIZE OF THE WINDOWS THAT WOULD COVER THAT.
UM, AND SO I THINK WE'VE TRIED TO ASK YOU WHAT, WHAT WILL WE, WHAT CAN WE DO TO GET THAT INFORMATION? BUT I'M NOT HEARING AN ANSWER TO THAT.
AND SO IS MY MIC TURNED OFF? UM, TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, WE CAN PROVIDE YOU WITH AN EXISTING WINDOW SCHEDULE, RIGHT? AND THAT CAN'T HAPPEN TONIGHT.
AND WITHOUT THAT WE, I DON'T SEE HOW WE PROCEED.
AM I MISSING SOMETHING? SO I THINK THERE ARE SOME OPTIONS IN FRONT OF US, UM, IN CASES LIKE THIS IN THE PAST, UM, THE COMMISSION HAS GIVEN SORT OF THE CONDITIONS UNDER WI LIKE BASICALLY WE CAN CRAFT CONDITIONS IN AN IF THEN SITUATIONS, UM, AND ALLOW STAFF TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE THINGS THAT MAY NOT BE CLEAR, UM, WHILE, UM, GETTING YOUR INTENT IN WRITING SO THAT WE CAN IMPLEMENT IT THROUGH THE CONDITIONS.
SO FOR THE SAKE OF TIME AND EFFICIENCY, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT SINCE WE'RE NOT GONNA MEET FOR A COUPLE MORE MONTHS, BUT CERTAINLY THE COMMISSION DOES HAVE OPTIONS, UM, IN FRONT OF YOU IF YOU TRULY DON'T FEEL LIKE YOU CAN MAKE A DECISION WITH THE INFORMATION IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT.
OH, I'D LIKE TO JUST SAY SOMETHING BECAUSE I, I'M THE ONE WHO PROBABLY OPENED THIS UP AND I I, I DO THINK YOU ARE WILLING TO CHANGE THE TWO FRONT WINDOWS TO THEIR EXISTING OPENING SIZE.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S AN ISSUE.
UM, IT'S THESE WEST AND EAST SIDE ELEVATION WINDOWS.
I AGREE THAT THEY DO LOOK LIKE THEY'RE BEING DROPPED.
THERE'S THE ELEVATION WE'RE LOOKING AT, RIGHT.
UM, NOW UP ON THE SCREEN, UM, THE, I GUESS THAT'S THE LIVING ROOM LOOKS LIKE IT'S LOWER THAN THE EXISTING ONE.
UM, BUT THEN YOU SAID THIS IS ALIGNING WITH THE, THE FRONT ONES THAT YOU HAD LOWERED.
SO THIS IS WHERE OUR CONFUSION IS, IS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DON'T WANT TO JUST SAY DO THE FRONT ONES AND NOT THE SIDES.
UH, AND I THINK THERE'S A GREAT POINT THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP AS ARE THESE DROPPED FOR CODE REASONS? ARE THESE DROPPED BECAUSE YOU JUST WANTED MORE LIGHT? ARE THESE DROPPED FOR, FOR WHAT REASON? I MEAN, EVEN THE, THE, THE CENTER WINDOW BETWEEN, UM, THE EXISTING SECTION THAT LOOKS LIKE A COMPLETELY NEW LARGER WINDOW
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ALTOGETHER WITH WISE, UM, HEIGHT WISE.AND SO I GUESS TO VICE CHAIRS, UH, GUS'S POINT IS WE'RE NOT SURE WHAT, WE'RE NOT WHAT IS THE ANSWER OF WHY THESE WERE CHANGED? I GUESS IS, IS A, A LONG WAY OF ASKING THAT QUESTION.
I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT CODE AND PROVE EACH AND EVERY WINDOW.
TYPICALLY WHEN WE DESIGN, UH, ESPECIALLY WINDOWS, WE KEEP THINGS CONSISTENT SO YOU'RE NOT UP AND DOWN, UP AND DOWN.
WE LIKE CONSISTENCY, UM, BECAUSE THE MORE INCONSISTENT YOU ARE, THE CHOPPIER, THE DESIGN AND, UM, UN UNPLEASING TO THE EYE OR, UM, SO THAT'S ONE THING CODE IS DRIVING SOME OF THEM.
BUT WE COULD GO BACK AND LOOK AT EACH ONE AND PROVE TO YOU WHAT ONES WOULD HAVE TO BE MODIFIED, UH, TO MEET CODE AND IF WE CAN KEEP IT THE ORIGINAL OPENING OR WHAT DRIVES IT TO MEET CODE MINIMUMS. I'VE NEVER DONE THAT BEFORE, BUT I'M SURE IT CAN BE DONE AND, UH, PROVIDE THAT FOR YOU.
SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
IT YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, BUT AS I'M LOOKING AT THIS, EVEN WHAT HE IS SUGGESTING WOULD NOT ACTUALLY WORK BECAUSE SOME WINDOWS ARE ACTUALLY BEING MOVED FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE INTERIOR.
AND SO I'M LOOKING AT THE, IF WE COULD GO TO THE WEST ELEVATION.
SO THERE ARE WINDOWS THAT HAVE CHANGED.
THE FIRST WINDOW LOOKS LIKE IT'S ROUGHLY IN THE SAME LOCATION.
THE SECOND WINDOW, AND I'M GOING FROM LEFT TO RIGHT.
THE SECOND WINDOW GOES FROM A CASEMENT TO A HORIZONTAL CASEMENT.
THE THIRD WINDOW IS IN THE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT LOCATION.
SO I CANNOT SAY AND FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THE DIRECTION OF ALL WINDOW OPENING STAY WHERE THEY ARE BECAUSE THAT WOULD NOT WORK.
I THINK WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SILL HEIGHT FROM THE BOTTOM.
AND SO IF WE CAN UNDERSTAND AND, AND MAKE ALL OF THE BOTTOM SILL HEIGHTS OF THE DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS ON THE WEST ELEVATION ONLY ON THE NEW, DO YOU CARE ABOUT THE OLD? I DON'T, I MEAN THE OLD, SORRY, ONLY ON, ONLY ON THE OLD.
SO TWO DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS NEED TO HAVE THE SAME SILL HEIGHT AS THE FRONT ELEVATION.
MAY, MAY I INTERJECT? I'M SORRY.
UM, COMMISSIONER BODAK, UM, THESE PARTICULAR WINDOWS LOOK LIKE THEY'RE HIGHER ALREADY.
THE THE ONES YOU JUST POINTED OUT.
UH, AND ONE IS ALREADY FOLLOWING THE EXISTING WINDOW, LIKE YOU SAID TO THE LEFT.
SO I ACTUALLY THINK THIS ELEVATION IS NOT A, AN AN ISSUE NOW THAT I'M LOOKING AT IT.
IT'S ACTUALLY THE NOW REALLY THE FRONT AND EAST ELEVATIONS THAT WERE DROPPED.
THIS, THIS LOOKS LIKE IT'S TOTALLY FINE.
UM, I, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE WEST ELEVATION, UM, BECAUSE THE PINK SECTION'S THE NEW AND THEY AREN'T ALIGNING.
BUT LIKE YOU SAID, THE, I'M NOT THAT CONCERNED WITH THE, THE NEW SECTION.
I'M MORE CONCERNED WITH THE EXISTING.
AND SO BECAUSE THAT ONE FOLLOWS ON THE LEFT, AND TO YOUR POINT THAT THE OTHER ONE HAS TO MOVE BECAUSE OF THE FLOOR PLAN, THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM.
UM, PER SE, IN, IN, IN MY BOOK, I THINK IT'S NOW REALLY THE EAST ELEVATION ONLY THOSE, THOSE SERIES OF WINDOWS, THE LIVING ROOM, THE BAY WINDOW, UM, AND THE, AND THE OTHER TWO AND THE, THE OTHER TWO AT THE FRONT.
OKAY, THAT'S, CAN WE GO BACK TO THE EAST ELEVATION THEN? OKAY.
SO THOSE THREE WINDOWS ON THE EXISTING HOUSE ON THE EAST ELEVATION WOULD HAVE THE SILL HEIGHT RAISED TO MATCH THE EXISTING SILL HEIGHT OF THE FRONT ENTRANCE, WHICH IS THE, WHAT IS THAT? NORTH, NORTH, NORTH, THEN NORTH.
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THE FRIENDLY.WE GOT THE SO, BUT YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE, CAN YOU COMMISSIONER PIZZA PIZO, CAN YOU STATE THE FRIENDLY OH BOY.
MY FRIENDLY IS TO RETAIN THE SILL HEIGHT OF, AND THE OPENING SIZE OF THE TWO FRONT NORTH WINDOWS AND FOLLOW THAT SILL HEIGHT FOR THE EAST ELEVATION WINDOWS IN THE EXISTING SECTION OF THE HOME.
IT'S BEEN INCLUDED IN THE MOTION AND YOU KNOW, WE MEAN THE NEW WINDOWS IN THE OLD PART OF THE HOUSE, NOT THE EXISTING OTHER WINDOWS STAFF UNDERSTANDS THAT.
THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.
I ACCEPT, THANK YOU FOR HANGING IN THERE AND OUR APPLICANT YOU CAN, YOU CAN TAKE A SEAT.
I WANTED TO KNOW IF, UM, STAFF HAS ANY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR WINDOW MANUFACTURERS THAT MIGHT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS, UM, OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, UM, AS OPPOSED TO, I THINK WAS MARVIN OR SOMETHING THAT WAS MENTIONED? UH, YEAH, I THINK FOR US ON THE STAFF SIDE, I, I THINK FOR US WE GIVE GUIDANCE MORE SPECIFIC TO WHATEVER THE CODE IS, SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY WE CAN'T GIVE A, A VERY SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATION ON A PRODUCT OR MATERIAL OR A, A PARTICULAR VENDOR.
CAN I, MAY I ASK, AM I ALLOWED TO ASK A QUESTION FROM THE PARTICIPANTS OF THE MEETING IN THE, SO REALLY ALL QUESTIONS SHOULD BE ASKED WHEN WE HAVE AN OPEN DIALOGUE.
UM, AND THE, BECAUSE WE'RE STILL ON THE MOTION RIGHT NOW.
WE ARE, WE ARE DELIBERATING A MOTION.
BUT I CAN ASK A QUESTION AFTER.
WHAT, WHEN? LIKE AFTER THE MEETING? YES.
WELL, I GUESS IT HAS TO, IT'S KIND OF A SEGUE WITH COMMISSIONER G'S.
THE PUBLIC'S INVOLVEMENT IS IN PUBLIC COMMENT.
THAT'S THEIR PARTI PARTICIPATION OPPORTUNITY.
YOU COULD ASK THE QUESTION OF STAFF.
WELL, I, I GUESS IT'S JUST THE, I JUST WANTED TO STATE THAT THE SPECIFICATIONS OF THE WINDOWS WERE PROVIDED AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS A COMPARISON OF THE DIMENSIONS OF THE SASHES AND THE RAILS AND EVERYTHING, UM, IN COMPARISON TO THE PHOTO THAT WE WERE PROVIDED.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS A, A SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON WITH THE SPECS THAT ARE BEING, UM, PROPOSED.
UH, NO, WE JUST RECENTLY GOT THAT INFORMATION IN THAT PHOTOGRAPH, UH, SO WE WERE NOT ABLE TO MAKE THAT COMPARISON.
UM, SO I GUESS WE'RE READY FOR A VOTE.
IF THERE'S NOTHING FURTHER FROM ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS, UM, MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL FOR A VOTE.
UM, AND STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND CONSIDERATION OF ALSO REMOVING CONDITION 18 SINCE WE HAVE THIS SORT OF REVISED, UM, GUIDANCE WITH THE NEW CONDITION IN FRONT OF US.
YEAH, JUST AS A REMINDER TO THE COMMISSION, THAT WAS A DISCUSSION WE HEARD EARLIER FROM THE COMMISSION ABOUT, UH, THE DIFFERENT FLOOR LEVELS.
UH, SO THAT CONDITION RELATES TO THAT.
SO WE WILL REMOVE CONDITION 18 AS PART OF THIS MOTION.
DO WE NEED TO REREAD THAT MOTION OR WE, EVERYBODY'S GOOD.
SO FOR CLARITY, I THINK IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL YEAH.
TO KIND OF TALK THROUGH WHAT THE MOTION IS.
'CAUSE WE'VE, IT'S BEEN A JOURNEY.
YOU WANNA TRY? WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO OR WOULD IT UP? WHY UP TO YOU, COMMISSIONER? I'M HAPPY TO, I'M PREPARED TO GO AHEAD.
SO WE HAVE THE INITIAL, UH, MOTION WITH THE ACCEPTED FRIENDLY OF CORRECTIONS TO THE EAST ELEVATION, AND A REFLECTION OF THE WIDER SIDING AS OPPOSED TO WHAT'S SHOWN IN THE PLANS.
THEN WE HAVE RETAINING THE STILL HEIGHT FOR THE TWO FRONT WINDOWS, WHICH WILL FOLLOW AROUND THE, STILL ON THE EASTERN ELEVATION FOR THE NEW WINDOWS IN THE OLD PORTION OF THE HOUSE.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE REMOVAL OF CONDITION 18.
WE ALSO HAVE REMOVAL OF THE PLANTER, PLANTER AND THE REMOVAL OF THE PLANTER.
SO IF THERE'S NO MORE DISCUSSION, SEEING NONE, WE'LL ASK, WE'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE.
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COMMISSIONER PIA PEREZ? YES.OKAY, SO NOW IT'S TIME FOR PUBLIC
[PUBLIC COMMENT Opportunity to address the Cultural Heritage Commission on non-agenda items. Each speaker is limited to three minutes to make their comments unless extended by the Chair.]
COMMENTS.UM, AT THIS TIME WE WILL TAKE NON AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENTS.
ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA, PLEASE LINE UP IN FRONT OF THE MICROPHONE.
REMINDER, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
IS THIS ON? UM, THIS IS ABOUT THE AGENDA ITEM AND YOUR QUESTION TO THE STAFF ABOUT, UH, POSSIBLE WIN WINDOW MANUFACTURERS, I'M SORRY, PUBLIC COMMENT NEEDS TO BE LIMITED TO NON AGENDIZED ITEMS. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.
YOU'RE WELCOME TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE COMMISSION AFTER.
THIS IS FOR NON AGENDIZED PUBLIC COMMENT.
THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
UM, SO IF THERE'S, SINCE THERE'S NO NOBODY, UH, LINING UP TO SPEAK HERE, ARE THERE ANY VIRTUAL COMMENTS? IF THERE ARE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE USE THE RAISE HAND FUNCTION.
NOW, IF DIALING IN TELEPHONICALLY, PRESS STAR NINE.
THERE IS NO ONE ON ZOOM TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT.
[ANNOUNCEMENTS]
ANNOUNCEMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS? SEEING THAT THERE ARE NONE? UM, AND IF THERE IS NO OBJECTION,[ADJOURNMENT]
I DECLARE THIS MEETING ADJOURNED.