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OKAY.

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OKAY.

FEEL FREE TO CALL US.

ALRIGHT.

WELCOME EVERYONE.

THANKS FOR, UH, MAKING YOUR WAY HERE TO CBC AGAIN.

HOPEFULLY YOU FOUND PARKING.

YOU'RE ALL HERE.

YOU DID.

SO I WANT, UH, CALL THE MEETING TOUR AT THREE OH SEVEN AND WE'LL DO ROLL.

UH, OKAY.

KIMBERLY, WE HERE.

JAMIE SCHEUER.

HERE I GO.

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HERE WE HAVE QUORUM.

AND THEN JUST BEFORE WE START, UH, BEFORE WE BEGIN, A REMINDER THE PROCESS, UH, FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, THE PUBLIC MAY PROVIDE COMMENTS THE FOLLOWING WAY.

FOR THOSE WHO ARE ATTENDING THIS MEETING IN PERSON AND WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE FILL OUT THE SIGN-IN SHEET.

THE BOARD ALSO RECEIVES WRITTEN COMMENTS 24 HOURS BEFORE THE MEETING START VIA EMAIL AT HOMELESS SERVICES ADMIN@LONGBEACH.GOV.

PLEASE CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING SUGGESTIONS WHEN ORGANIZING YOUR COMMENT, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.

YOUR STATEMENT SHOULD INCLUDE ALL PERTINENT FACTS WITHIN YOUR KNOWLEDGE.

PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS IS NOT A Q AND A SESSION.

YOUR QUESTIONS WILL NOT BE ANSWERED DURING THIS TIME.

MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WILL BE ALLOWED TO COMMENT LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES.

I WILL NOTIFY YOU WHEN YOUR TIME IS UP.

UH, WE GOT ITEM NUMBER ONE, UH, FOR, UH, REVIEW AND APPROVE APPROVAL.

MINUTES.

CAN I GET A RECOMMENDATION? IS THIS APPROVED? SORRY.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

SECOND.

SECOND.

GOT IT.

DOES ANY, ANY BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? AND THEN, UH, WE WILL NOW TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT.

MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE THAT HAVE SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE SPEAK WHEN CALLED UPON ANY MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE THAT HAVE NOT SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.

AND WE HAVE NO ONE THAT HAD SIGNED IT.

NO PUBLIC, NO PUBLIC .

CAN YOU BRING THIS TO A VOTE FOR APPROVAL? JUST ALL IN RIGHT.

ALL IN FAVOR.

YOU DON'T NEED TO ALL WHO ARE NOT IN FAVOR.

MOTION PASSES.

THANK YOU.

IN THE INTEREST OF TIME MAKING SURE WE MAINTAIN QUORUM, WE'RE GONNA SKIP TO, UM, ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

UM, ITEM FOUR IS THE CC POLICIES.

SO WE REVIEWED THESE, UM, AT OUR JUNE MEETING, AND I JUST WANTED TO GO THROUGH THEM QUICKLY, UM, AND FIND ANY UPDATES THAT HAPPENED FROM OUR MEETING TO NOW.

THERE WERE SOME VERY MINOR EDITS MADE, SO I WANT YOU ALL, YOU SHOULD HAVE THE RED LINE VERSION, UM, IN THE PACKET THAT WAS SENT OUT AS WELL.

SO YOU CAN SEE THE EDITS.

UM, THEY'RE NOT PRINTED, BUT THEY'RE IN THE EMAIL PACKET.

YEAH, SAVE FEW TREES.

UM, SO AGAIN, THE POLICIES THAT WE ARE GONNA BE VOTING ON TODAY ARE GONNA BE THE FUNDING PRIORITIES, ACCESS CENTER POLICY, REHOUSING, ELIGIBILITY AND PRIORITIZATION, MATCHING PROCEDURES, GRIEVANCES AND INCIDENTS, UM, TERMINATION, AND THEN UPDATES TO THE WRITTEN STANDARDS AND BYLAWS.

UM, SO A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE FUNDING PRIORITIES WAS THAT FOR THE UPCOMING COMPETITION, UM, THE COC WILL, OH, THAT'S THE ACCESS ONE.

JIM .

UM, SECOND TO LAST ONE, YES.

THANK YOU.

UM, THE COC WILL BE PRIORITIZING PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING.

THIS WAS AN OUTCOME OF OUR BORDER RETREAT AS WELL AS RECOMMENDATIONS FROM HUD TO CONTINUE TO, UM, REEVALUATE OUR PORTFOLIO AND ENSURE THAT WE ARE, YOU KNOW, BEING USED TO OUR COMMUNITY.

AND SO THERE WAS NO CHANGES MADE TO THIS FROM LAST.

AND THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, JUST HOLLER OUT.

I'M JUST GONNA KEEP GOING THROUGH THEM.

UM, NEXT WE HAVE THE ACCESS POLICY.

AGAIN, NO QUESTION, OR I'M SORRY, NO EDITS MADE FROM LAST MONTH, BUT THIS POLICY WAS IN REGARDS TO, UM, WHAT TYPE OF AGENCY CAN BE CONSIDERED AN ACCESS POINT.

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UM, AND THIS INCLUDED FOLKS WHO WERE FUNDED BY THE COC, SO LIKE THE MSC OR LIKE MHAS, UM, ACCESS PROJECT, UM, OR OTHERS DESIGNATED BY THE COC, WHETHER THAT BE LIKE DMH OR DHS OR, UM, PARTNER AGENCIES, UM, WHO, WHO CAN MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF BEING AN ACCESS CENTER.

UM, NEXT WE HAVE THE RAPID REHOUSING ELIGIBILITY AND PRIORITIZATION.

THERE WAS A MINOR CHANGE MADE TO THIS ONE.

UM, WE JUST ADDED SOME INFORMATION ABOUT, UM, OUR PROCESS FOR YOUTH AND FAMILIES TO BE IN COLLABORATION WITH THE LA COURT ENTRY, UM, POLICY COUNCIL.

SO WE JUST WANTED TO ENSURE THAT WE MADE IT VERY CLEAR, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS PRIORITY ONLY APPLIES TO, UM, CERTAIN POPULATIONS.

AND THAT CURRENTLY LA COUNTY IS THE LEAD AGENCY FOR YOUTH AND FAMILIES.

UM, BUT WE WILL OBVIOUSLY, UH, PROVIDE RESOURCES UTILIZING THIS PROCESS AS WELL.

UM, NEXT WE HAVE THE MATCHING PROCEDURES.

SO THERE WAS A MINOR CHANGE MADE TO THIS ONE AS WELL.

I SHOULDN'T SAY CHANGE.

WE JUST, UM, ADDED A LINK TO THE DOCUMENT LIBRARY.

AND SO I, I BELIEVE I MENTIONED THIS IN THE LAST MEETING, THAT, UM, ON OUR HOMELESS SERVICES BUREAU MAIN HOMEPAGE, AT THE END OF THE, OF THE HOMEPAGE, WE HAVE A DOCUMENT LIBRARY.

AND THIS IS INTENDED TO BE A RESOURCE FOR OUR PARTNERS, OUR INTERNAL STAFF, ANYONE REALLY INTERESTED IN HAVING ACCESS TO THESE POLICIES.

UM, ANY KIND OF LIKE FORMS OR APPLICATIONS THAT WE MAY HAVE.

IT'S REALLY JUST A WAY TO HAVE A CENTRALIZED LOCATION FOR, UM, THE AMOUNTS OF PAPERWORK THAT WE ALL SEE REGULARLY AND TO HOPEFULLY KEEP IT IN ONE PLACE TO UPDATE.

UM, ANYWAY, SO THAT THE LINK TO THAT LIBRARY WAS ADDED INTO THIS POLICY, BUT THAT WAS THE ONLY CHANGE THAT WAS MADE.

UM, AND THIS WAS, OR THIS POLICY, AGAIN, JUST KIND OF OUTLINES HOW WE WILL BE MATCHING TWO PROJECTS, UH, BOTH NEW AND TURNOVER.

UM, AND THEN FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF PROJECTS THAT PSH OR RAPID REHOUSING THAT ONE SIDE AS WELL.

I'LL PAUSE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

SO NOW I'M JUST KIND OF RIGHT.

I WANNA MAKE SURE GO.

OKAY.

UM, GRIEVANCES AND INCIDENT IS NEXT.

AGAIN, NO MAJOR CHANGE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF, UM, I INCLUDED THE LINKS TO THE REPORTING PORTALS THAT WE WILL BE UTILIZING.

UM, AND THEN ALSO ADDED THE CONTACT INFORMATION FOR THE GRIEVANCE COORDINATOR.

UM, OTHER THAN THAT, THE LANGUAGE IS ALL THE SAME.

AND AGAIN, THIS POLICY OUTLINES HOW SUB SUBRECIPIENTS, UM, SHOULD, HOW SUBRECIPIENT OR THE POLICY SUBRECIPIENTS SHOULD HAVE IN THEIR, UM, PMPS.

AND THEN ALSO WHAT HAPPENS IF A GRIEVANCE IS ESCALATED TO THE HOMELESS SERVICES BUREAU.

IT OUTLINES THAT PROCESS AS WELL.

UM, INSTANCE AS WELL.

I'M SORRY, THIS IS GROOMS AND INCIDENTS THE SAME THING FOR BOTH.

AGAIN, WE HAVE TERMINATION OF ASSISTANCE.

UM, THIS ONE WAS, UM, THIS ONE WAS DRAFTED TO MAINTAIN COMPLIANCE WITH AB 1991.

AND SO THIS IS JUST TO ENSURE THAT FOLKS RECEIVE DUE PROCESS WHEN TERMINATION IS, UH, A RISK.

UM, THERE WAS NO EDITS MADE TO THIS POLICY, SO THIS IS THE SAME AS YOU SAW IN LAST MONTH.

UM, THIS GUIDANCE OUTLINE, LEGAL REQUIREMENTS, DOCUMENTATION REQUIREMENTS, AND THEN CLIENT RIGHTS AS WELL.

AND THEN WE HAVE OUR WRITTEN STANDARDS.

UM, SO THERE WEREN'T ANY CHANGES MADE FROM LAST MONTH, BUT JUST TO KIND OF JOG YOUR MEMORY, UM, THE GRIEVANCE AND INCIDENTS REPORTING POLICY, UM, AS WELL AS TERMINATION POLICY WILL BE ADDED INTO THIS DOCUMENT ONCE APPROVED.

UM, THERE WERE, UM, THERE WAS LANGUAGE ADDED ON COLLECTING PARTICIPANT FEEDBACK ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.

UM, AND THEN SOME, SOME ITEMS THAT WERE REMOVED THAT WE THEN, UM, UPDATED OTHER POLICIES.

SO NO MAJOR CHANGES SINCE LAST TIME.

AND THEN LAST BUT NOT LEAST, OUR GOVERNANCE CHARTER.

UM, THERE WERE A FEW CHANGES NOT MADE FROM LAST TIME, EXCUSE ME, BUT THE OVERALL CHANGES THAT WERE MADE FROM LAST YEAR WERE THAT WE ARE CHANGING THE ELECTION PERIOD FROM MAY TO JUNE TO ACCOUNT FOR THE CITYWIDE CHANGE AND HAVING ALL OF OUR COMMISSIONS START AT THE SAME TIME.

UM, WE ALSO CHANGED THE SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBERS.

WE INCREASED THE, THE THRESHOLD FROM SEVEN TO 11 TO ALLOW FOR THE ABLE TO, UM, SERVE OR HAVE ALL OF THEM FOLKS SERVE ON THAT BOARD.

AND THEN WE CHANGED THE SUBCOMMITTEE STRUCTURE AS I PRESENTED TO YOU GUYS, UM, LAST MONTH AND THEN IN PREVIOUS MONTHS AS WELL.

SO THAT LANGUAGE WAS

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CHANGED TO REFLECT, UM, THOSE NEW SUBCOMMITTEES ALL.

OKAY.

I SAID NO CHANGES FROM LAST MONTH, BUT THOSE ARE KIND OF THE, THAT'S KIND OF THE GIST OF ALL THE POLICIES.

ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS? HOW OFTEN ARE WE? SO WE REVIEW OUR GOVERNMENT CHARTER AND BYLAWS AND THE WRITTEN STANDARDS, UM, AT LEAST ANNUALLY, BUT WE'RE HONESTLY, WE REVIEW ON POLICY ALL THE TIME.

UM, SO I THINK THAT'S IN, THOSE GET REVIEWED ANNUALLY.

AND THEN THE REST, LIKE THE, LIKE FACTORY HOUSING ELIGIBILITY, UM, WE'LL KIND OF REVIEW AS THINGS COME UP OR IF THERE'S LIKE AN ISSUE THAT WE NEED TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT.

UM, BUT I THINK LIKE MOVING FORWARD WE'LL PROBABLY JUST HAVE IT ALL THE ANNUAL.

YEAH, AND THESE WILL APPLY TO ANY PROJECT FUNDED, WHETHER IT'S EOC OR OTHER FUNDING SOURCES.

AND I'LL SAY THE REASON WHY I SAY I THINK MOVING FORWARD IS 'CAUSE SOME OF THESE ARE NEW.

SO , NO OTHER QUESTIONS.

WE CAN, UH, MOVE FOR THE APPROVE TO, UM, APPROVAL TO APPROVE THESE NEW POLICIES.

SOME OF THEM CHANGE, SOME OF THEM.

UM, DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE POLICIES AS PRESENTED BY ALEXA? IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND? CAN I BRING THIS TO A VOTE? UH, ONE SECOND.

FIRST, FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT, COMMENT.

BUT WE HAVE NO PUBLIC, NO ONE SIGNED UP.

GOOD.

SAY IT.

NO PUBLIC COMMENT.

NOW CAN WE CALL FOR, UH, CAN WE GET A CALL FOR A VOTE FOR THIS BY A SHOW OF HANDS? ANY, UH, NAYS INVOLVED? MOTION PASSES.

THANK YOU.

SO WE GO INTO THE, UH, OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM, ITEM NUMBER FIVE, ALEXA, TO DISCUSS THE 2024 SYSTEM PERFORMANCE MEASURE PRESENTATION.

UM, SO THIS WAS PRESENTED BY DALTON, THE LAST MEETING, UM, AND THE LAST TIME WE WERE A LITTLE BIT PRESSED FOR TIME AS WELL.

SO WE JUST WANTED TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA AGAIN TODAY TO ALLOW FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

SULTON IS HERE TO, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE ANY, UM, ADDITIONAL CONTEXT IF NEEDED.

UM, OTHERWISE WE CAN TAKE A VOTE ON THESE PERFORMANCE MEASURES SO THEY CAN GO INTO EFFECT FOR OUR UPCOMING PETITION.

DOES ANYONE, I CAN GO OUT THERE AND IF YOU GUYS HAVE QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING, HAVE YOU GUYS REVIEWED THEM LIKE ASKING IN CLASS IF THEY DID THE HOMEWORK? , YOU WANT ME TO GO OVER AGAIN QUICKLY? FIVE MINUTES.

FIVE, FIVE MINUTES.

OKAY.

SO, UM, THEN WE SHOULD NOT GO INTO THE WHY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

SO, UM, JUST AS LIKE A RECAP FROM LAST TIME, AND I KNOW I WAS RUSHED LAST TIME, UM, BUT IN ESSENCE WHAT, WHAT WE'VE DONE FOR THIS ROUND OF SYSTEM PERFORMANCE MEASURE UPDATES WAS, UM, GO OFF WHAT WE DID LAST TIME AND WE'RE, WE'RE CHANGING MANY OF THESE OUTCOMES FROM LIKE STATIC TARGET OUTCOMES TO LIKE A COMPARISON WITHIN GROUPS.

AND I'VE MORE OR LESS JUST EXPANDED WHAT WE HAD BEEN WORKING ON THE PREVIOUS YEAR AND EXPANDING IT TO MORE TARGETS TIME AROUND.

SO, UM, AND I'VE CREATED, UM, UNIQUE MEASURES.

NOT ALL OF THEM ARE UNIQUE OBVIOUSLY, BUT MANY OF THEM ARE TARGETED SPECIFICALLY AS PROJECT TYPES.

SO DIFFERENT, UM, PROGRAM TYPES.

UM, SO, AND, UH, HOW SHOULD I SAY, WE ARE SCALING THE, WHAT WE CONSIDER TO BE LIKE SUCCESSFUL OUTCOMES, NEAR SUCCESSFUL OUTCOMES FOR UNSUCCESSFUL OUTCOMES.

MORE OR LESS, WE'RE KEEPING THREE CATEGORIES THAT WE'VE ALWAYS HAD, UM, BUT AGAIN, WE'RE SCALING THEM IN COMPARISON TO OTHER PROGRAMS WITHIN THAT PROJECT TYPE.

SO PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING PROGRAMS ARE GONNA BE COMPARED TO OTHER PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING PROGRAMS. WHETHER OR NOT WE DEEM THESE OUTCOMES TO BE SUCCESSFUL, NEAR SUCCESSFUL OR UNSUCCESSFUL IS GONNA BE BASED ON SOME MATHEMATICAL CALCULATION OF WHERE THE AVERAGE IS AMONGST THOSE PROGRAMS AND HOW FAR AWAY SPECIFIC PROGRAMS ARE IN THEIR OUTCOMES FROM THAT AVERAGE.

HOWEVER, IF YOU DO MEET A SPECIFIC THRESHOLD, SO IF YOU ARE GREATER THAN 90%, THEN DOESN'T MATTER WHERE THE AVERAGE IS, WE CONSIDER THAT TO BE A SUCCESSFUL OUTCOME.

SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE ON MOST OF THIS SCALE HERE.

SO THAT'S WHY THERE'S A LOT OF VERBIAGE HERE.

IN ESSENCE, THE LONG LIST, THE LAUNDRY LIST OF WORDS HERE IS, UM, USING LIKE TWO STANDARD DEVIATIONS AWAY FROM THE MEAN.

THAT IN ESSENCE IS JUST SAYING HOW FAR AWAY ARE YOU FROM THE AVERAGE? AND IF YOU'RE WELL BELOW THAT AVERAGE, WE'RE GONNA CONSIDER THAT TO BE AN UNSUCCESSFUL OUTCOME.

IF YOU'RE WELL ABOVE THAT AVERAGE, WE'RE GONNA CONSIDER THAT TO BE A SUCCESSFUL

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OUTCOME.

IF YOU'RE WITHIN THIS RANGE, WITHIN TWO STANDARD DEVIATIONS ON EITHER SIDE, THAT'S NEAR SUCCESS.

UM, AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GONNA DIVIDE THOSE POINTS UP AT THE END FOR OUR FINAL ASSESSMENTS.

THAT'S A VERY ROUGH OVERVIEW OF HOW WE'RE UPDATING THESE PERFORMANCE MEASURES.

AND AGAIN, PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING, RAPID REHOUSING AND TRANSITIONAL HOUSING, THOSE ARE THE PROGRAMS THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO, UM, THE COC PORTFOLIO HERE.

AND SO THAT'S WHERE YOU'LL, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THERE'S LIKE A DIFFERENT NUMBER OF MEASURES HERE FOR THE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS. AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST SO THAT WE BREAK IT OUT IN DIFFERENT WAYS BECAUSE NATURALLY WE CANNOT COMPARE NECESSARILY THE SAME OUTCOMES FOR PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING AS WE CAN FOR TRANSITIONAL HOUSING.

THERE'S JUST, IT'S A DIFFERENT POT.

SO IT'S, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO FOCUS AND TARGET OUR OUTCOMES AND OUR SUCCESSFUL, UM, OUTCOMES BASED ON THESE , BUT I'M, I'M HAPPY TO, TO GO OVER IN ANY SPECIFICITY IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION.

IS THERE A QUALITATIVE COMPONENT TO THE ASSESSMENT, SUCH AS RESIDENTS BEING ABLE TO COMMENT ON SUBTRACTION LEVELS AND EXPERIENCES? THAT'S NOT PART OF THE SCORING FOR THIS.

NO.

WHAT I'VE DONE IS, UM, AND, AND THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT WE CAN'T DO THAT.

UM, HOWEVER, IN ORDER TO LIKE COMPUTE OR LIKE TO CREATE A RANKING SYSTEM OR FOR ONE PROGRAM TO BE DEEMED, YOU KNOW, HIGHER RANKING THAN ANOTHER, I DO HAVE TO LIKE, I HAVE TO QUANTIFY THAT IN SOME WAY.

BUT IT IS TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE TO PUT OUT A SURVEY OF LIKE, CLIENT SATISFACTION, DID THIS PROGRAM AVERAGE A FIVE OUT OF 10 AND DID THIS PROGRAM AVERAGE A NINE OUT OF 10? AND CREATING SOME METRICS AROUND THAT, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I CAN, I I CAN DO THAT.

YES, I'D ENCOURAGE THAT.

AND WE JUST ADDED A NEW POSITION WITHIN THE LAST COUPLE MONTHS WHERE THAT'LL BE THEIR FOCUS.

WE JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH DATA TO REALLY IMPLEMENT IT THIS YEAR.

SO LIKE , THAT DATA WILL BE COMING IN.

SO YES, THAT'S, THAT IS ONE TWEAK THAT I WOULD LOVE TO MAKE TO, TO GET CLIENT INPUT AND NOT SIMPLY USE HMIS AS LIKE THE OUTCOMES OF, OF CHOICE HERE, BUT ALSO TO GET CLIENT SATISFACTION OR SOMETHING OF THAT KIND.

YES.

THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE? UH, YEAH, YOU WENT TO THE OTHER PAGE.

UM, IT WAS A TRANSITIONAL HOUSING.

YES.

NOW WITH UPCOMING CHANGES WITH FUNDING AND TRANSITIONAL HOUSING, HOW WOULD THESE NUMBERS CHANGE? HOW WOULD THAT BE AFFECTED? SO THESE, LIKE THE SCALES HERE THAT I'M USING SHOULDN'T BE AFFECTED BY LIKE, THE FUNDS THAT THESE PROGRAMS RECEIVE.

BECAUSE, BECAUSE IN ESSENCE, THEY, IF, IF THEY'RE NOT MEETING THESE STANDARDS HERE, LIKE 90%, 75% OR 80%, IF THEY'RE NOT MEETING THOSE FOR THE VAST MAJORITY OF THESE, AGAIN, THEY'RE GONNA BE COMPARED TO THEIR PEERS.

AND SO IF, IF WE BUMPED UP FUNDING SOURCES FOR A PROGRAM OR IF WE TAKE THEM AWAY FROM A CERTAIN PROGRAM, AGAIN, THAT'S THE COMPARISON POINT, IS HOW ARE YOU DOING AGAINST THESE OTHER PROGRAMS IN TRANSITIONAL HOUSING? SO THESE SHOULD NOT NECESSARILY BE AFFECTED BY THE FUNDING DECISIONS.

THESE WILL, IN ESSENCE, UH, THIS WILL GET US THE RANK ORDER OF HOW WE WOULD LIKE TO FUND THEM IN THE FUTURE.

BUT LIKE THE, THE REVERSE ORDER SHOULDN'T BE LIKE, FUNDING IS NOT GOING TO AFFECT HOW I'M, HOW I'M MEASURING THESE OUTCOMES.

IF THAT, IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.

BUT I THINK ONE THING FOR CONSIDERATION IS IF YOU HAVE YOUR TRANSITIONAL HOUSING IS LIKE THE OUTCOMES ON AVERAGE ARE SIGNIFICANTLY BELOW, YOU KNOW, OUR SUPPORTIVE HOUSING AS FAR AS GETTING PEOPLE THE HOUSING THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED WITHIN.

LIKE DO WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO FUND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS? SO YEAH.

SO THESE, LIKE ALL OF THESE PERCENTAGES HERE ARE NOT THE SAME FOR LIKE PREMISE FOR HOUSING AND TRANSITIONAL HOUSING, LIKE 35% FOR LIKE ADULTS INCREASING INCOME VERSUS LIKE 70% FOR SUPPORT HOUSING JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE VERY DIFFERENT PROGRAMS. YOU HAVE DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS COMING IN.

SO THAT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED BY THE DIFFERENT PROGRAM TYPES.

ANYONE ELSE? IS THAT FIVE MINUTES? PAUL ? GOT A BIT MORE TIME THIS TIME.

THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AGAIN, JUST FOR EVERYBODY'S YOU MEMORY GOING INTO IT, WE'RE LIKELY TO SEE THE NOFO DROP SOON.

THIS WILL BE USED WITHIN THE NOFO FOR SCORING AND RANKING AND WHAT PROGRAMS WE'RE PRIORITIZING VERSUS WHICH ONES ARE POTENTIALLY AT RISK FOR REALLOCATION OR, YOU KNOW, OR PRIORITIZE AS OUR LOWEST PRIORITY.

IF HUD WERE TO, YOU KNOW, CUT FUNDING WORST CASE SCENARIO,

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LIKE ANYTHING IN TIER TWO WOULD BE DRIVEN BY BY THE RANKING AND SCORING .

AND IT'S, IS THAT VERY SIMILAR TO ALL THE OTHER CONTINUUM OF CARES? LIKE VERY SIMILAR NUMBERS AND YOU'RE, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO COMPARE OUTSIDE OF YOUR OWN CONTINUUM AT THIS POINT.

CORRECT.

RIGHT.

BUT YEAH, I MEAN IT'S A COMPETITION WITHIN OUR CONTINUUM.

YEAH, WE USE PRETTY SIMILAR METRICS TO WHAT OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE USING.

THERE ARE CERTAIN ONES THAT HU WANTS TO SEE.

THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE'VE ADDED IN THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY LIKE A HIGH METRIC, BUT LIKE ARE PRETTY STANDARD PRACTICES WITHIN LOOKING AT PERFORMANCE OF PROJECTS.

OKAY.

UH, ANY MORE COMMENTS? ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM BOARD MEMBERS? IF NOT, WE CAN MOVE TO A, A MOTION TO, UM, EXCEPT THE 2024 PERFORMANCE MEASURES AS PRESENTED.

SECOND, SECOND.

SECOND.

OKAY.

UM, WE'LL NOW TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT.

MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE THAT HAVE SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE SPEAK WHEN CALLED UPON, UM, NO ONE HAS SIGNED UP.

ANY MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE THAT HAVE SIGNED THAT HAVE NOT SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU WANT.

YOU.

NO GOODNESS.

CAN WE BRING THIS TO A VOTE? UH, SHOW OF HANDS FOR IT.

ANY INDIVIDUALS LIKE, UH, POLLS.

MOTION PASSES.

THANK YOU.

WELL, NOW WE CAN, YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ON NUMBER TWO THOUGH, RIGHT? WE BOARD APPLICANTS.

TABLED, TABLED THAT ONE.

OKAY, SO NOW WE'LL MOVE TO THE BOARD RETREAT SUMMARY BACK, AND THAT IS IN YOUR PACKET? YES.

UM, OKAY.

SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A BRIEF KIND OF, UM, SUMMARY OF THE THINGS THAT WE DISCUSSED ON.

IT WAS APRIL 30TH, UM, DURING OUR BOARD RETREAT.

AND SO THIS YEAR OR LAST YEAR I SHOULD SAY, WE FOCUSED A LOT ON KIND OF COMING UP WITH SOME, UM, TANGIBLE GOALS TO HIT.

AND I THINK WE DID A REALLY GOOD JOB OF HITTING A LOT OF THOSE GOALS.

UM, THIS YEAR WE REALLY WANTED TO KIND OF FIGURE OUT OUR FOCUS AS A COC AND WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

UM, AND SO THIS IS REALLY SMALL.

WE DID A MIND MAP MAPPING EXERCISE, LIKE WE DID AN EXERCISE OF MIND MAPPING TO KIND OF DECIDE WHAT THE BOARD IS LOOKING TO FOCUS ON AND THIS, THIS UPCOMING YEAR.

AND SO, UM, YOU ALL DISCUSSED FUNDING, COLLABORATION, AND THEN THANK YOU POLICIES AND PROCEDURES.

UM, AND SO THIS IS KIND OF SOME OF THE, THE GENERIC FEEDBACK, NOT GENERIC GENERAL FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT.

UM, AND EACH SOURCE, I WANTED TO KIND OF JUST GO OVER IT WITH YOU ALL, UM, TO, YOU KNOW, SO WE CAN PUT IT ALL TOGETHER WITH THE POLICIES THAT WE JUST APPROVED WITH THE PERFORMANCE MEASURES.

UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU THINK WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK AND JUST KIND OF, UM, YOU KNOW, START THINKING ABOUT THESE THINGS AND HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS.

SO, UM, WE HAVE UP QUICKLY, BUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE DISCUSSED WERE, UM, UTILIZING DATA IN A, IN A, NOT A DIFFERENT WAY, BUT MAYBE, UM, USING IT MORE OR, UM, USING IT FOR DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE HAVE BEEN IN THE PAST.

UM, WE ALSO LOOKED AT INCREASING KNOWLEDGE WAS ONE OF OUR KIND OF, UM, FOCUS POINTS IN EACH SECTION.

AND THEN ALSO, UM, FINDING ADDITIONAL FUNDING SOURCES, UM, OUTSIDE OF THE COC TO HOPEFULLY SUBSIDIZE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE NOT ABLE TO DO.

SO FOR FUNDING, UM, THIS IS KIND OF OUR, THESE THREE ITEMS HERE.

FUNDING, COLLABORATION, AND THEN POLICIES AND PROCEDURES WERE THE AREAS THAT WE WANTED TO FOCUS THESE KIND OF TOPICS ON FOR FUNDING.

WE LOOKED AT, UM, COMMUNICATING SERVICES WITH DATA AND THAT MEANING LIKE COMMUNICATING WITH THE PUBLIC, COMMUNICATING WITH, UM, OTHER FUNDERS, COMMUNICATING WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR SUBRECIPIENTS, HOW SERVICES ARE TRULY DOING, LOOKING AT INFLOW AND OUTFLOW.

UM, BUT THEN OTHER STATS.

LUCKILY NOW WITH, UM, CES AND HIS, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE INFLOW AND OUTFLOW DATA, UH, WHICH WE HAVE NOT HAD IN THE PAST.

THAT WOULD BE REALLY HUGE, A REALLY BIG, UM, ADDITION FOR OUR COC.

AGAIN, SHIFTING ADDITIONAL FUNDS OUTSIDE OF THE COC, UM, AND THEN INCREASING OUR KNOWLEDGE OF PROGRAM STANDARDS.

AND WE, WE TALKED ABOUT INCREASING OUR TRAINING IN ORDER TO DO THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE HOLDING OUR, OUR SUB RECIPIENTS ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE PERFORMANCE, BUT ALSO PROVIDING THEM THE

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GUIDANCE AND SUPPORT THEY NEED IN ORDER TO, UM, HAVE BE HIGH PERFORMING.

UM, IN COLLABORATION, WE DISCUSSED ON, AGAIN, INCREASING OUR KNOWLEDGE THROUGH CROSS TRAINING.

UM, I THINK WE LOOKED AT THIS AS LIKE CROSS TRAINING AGAINST DIFFERENT AGENCIES, BUT ALSO WITHIN AGENCIES.

WE WANT FOLKS TO KIND OF HAVE A, A GOOD GRASP ON HOW THINGS RUN THROUGHOUT THE SYSTEM AS A WHOLE.

UM, INCREASING EFFICIENCY IN ACCESSING HOUSING RESOURCES SUCH AS VOUCHERS.

UM, INCREASING TRAUMA INFORMED PRACTICES.

AGAIN, THAT COMES WITH TRAINING, BUT, UH, AN EXAMPLE THAT I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT WAS, UM, WARM HANDOFFS.

AND SO COLLABORATION, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE DOING A GOOD JOB IN COLLABORATING.

WE'RE ALL HERE TODAY.

UM, BUT HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT THAT COLLABORATION IS TRAUMA INFORMED AND THAT IT, THAT IT IS, UM, THAT IT FEELS GOOD FOR THE PERSON THAT WE'RE SERVING, RIGHT? THE GOOD REMAINING DATA INFORMED BY CONSISTENTLY REVIEWING IT AND REEVALUATING, REEVALUATING OUR RESOURCES ON REGULAR BASIS, WHICH I THINK YOU ALL, UM, DID AT THIS RETREAT.

AND THEN IMPLEMENTING BEST PRACTICES WHENEVER POSSIBLE, THAT GOES BACK TO THAT TRAINING AND THINK THAT WE'RE ALL HOLDING OURSELVES ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE GOALS THAT WE'RE SETTING, UM, AT THE BOARD.

AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, WE DISCUSSED POLICIES AND PROCEDURES, HOW TO KIND OF FOCUS ON THOSE.

WE DISCUSSED, AGAIN, INCREASING KNOWLEDGE WITH, WITH TRAININGS, UM, REQUIRING CERTAIN POLICIES AND PROCEDURES IN ALL CONTRACTS.

UM, AND WHILE WE DO REQUIRE SOME, YOU KNOW, WE DO REQUIRE, I SHOULDN'T SAY SOME, WE REQUIRE A LOT OF DOCUMENTATION.

UM, I THINK REQUIRING POLICY PROCEDURES, UM, SOMETHING THAT WE, WE HAVEN'T HAD FOR LIKE, THE AMOUNT OF PROCEDURES THAT WE COULD REQUIRE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE, WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.

UM, ENSURE THAT OUR SERVICES ARE INFORMED BY DATA AND THAT IT'S EQUITABLE.

UM, THE ASK WAS TO ALSO DEVELOP POLICIES AROUND EFFICIENT SERVICE DELIVERIES.

SO HOW ARE WE DECIDING WHAT IS EFFICIENT AND THEN HOW DO WE MEASURE THAT AND HOW DO WE HOLD THOSE ACCOUNTABLE? UM, WANTING TO KIND OF, UM, MEMORIALIZE THAT WITH A POLICY REGULARLY REVIEWING OUR WORKFLOW FOR ANY ADDITIONAL POLICY NEEDS.

AND THEN WE ALSO HAD A REQUEST TO, UM, STANDARDIZE BEST PRACTICES IN A POLICY AND PROCEDURE.

SO AGAIN, WE CAN HOLD FOLKS ACCOUNTABLE AND I DON'T MEAN ACCOUNTABLE TO SAY LIKE, YOU KNOW, GET IN TROUBLE, BUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE OFFERING THE SAME STANDARD OF SERVICE ACROSS ALL OF OUR PROGRAMS. UM, AND THAT HA I THINK THAT WAS DISCUSSED AT OUR LAST RETREAT, THAT THAT ISN'T HAPPENING NOW.

UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE DOING THE BEST THAT THEY CAN WITH THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE, SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE GIVE THEM THE INFORMATION THEY NEED, UM, TO PROVIDE CARE, UM, AT THE SAME STANDARD KINDA WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT.

I DO THINK THAT, UM, WE'VE ALREADY STARTED WORKING ON SOME OF THESE THINGS JUST IN THE LAST TWO MEETINGS.

AND SO AS WE KIND OF GO THROUGHOUT THIS YEAR, I'LL TOUCH BACK ON THESE POINTS AND KIND OF UPDATES AND JUST TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW WE'RE, HOW WE'RE WORKING TO, UM, TO DO SOME OF THIS WORK.

ANY ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS OR COMMENTS? THINGS TO HIGHLIGHT FROM THE RETREAT? WHEN YOU SAY SEEK ADDITIONAL MATCHING FUNDS, WHERE STICKING WITH, SO I THINK THAT WAS WHAT THE BOARD TALKED ABOUT IS THAT WE NEED TO KIND OF LIKE USE OUR NETWORK.

I SAY OUR, YOU GUYS BECAUSE MY NETWORK IS A CITY, RIGHT? LIKE OUR RESPECTIVE NETWORKS IN, UM, HELPING SUBSIDIZE THE COC SUBS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

SO, YOU KNOW, YOU GOING BACK TO YOUR HEALTHCARE SYSTEM AND LOOKING AT HOW TO PARTNER, YOU KNOW, IN THOSE WAYS.

OH, I SEE.

UH, DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION.

I'M SORRY ABOUT MY NAME AND I'M QUESTION, BUT I WONDERING IF ANY OF THESE POLICIES ADDRESS THE NEED FOR MORE UNITS BECAUSE THAT'S HOUSING NAVIGATOR, THAT'S BIGGEST BARRIER TO HOUSING PEOPLE AFFORD AND WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR SOMETIMES THREE TIMES INCOME, , THESE PEOPLE ARE IMPORTANT.

HOW BRIDGE THAT GAP WE'RE ADDRESS THOSE THINGS.

THAT'S WHAT MAKES THIS JOB.

MM-HMM, ? YEAH, I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION FROM LIKE A C LEVEL, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF MAYBE YOU CAN SPEAK MORE.

UM, I WOULD SAY COC WE UNFORTUNATELY DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO REALLY LIKE INCREASE THE HOUSING STOCK, BUT WE DID PASS THE POLICY, I THINK IT MIGHT'VE BEEN RIGHT BEFORE YOU HAD WALKED IN ACTUALLY, UM, TO PRIORITIZE FOR SUPPORTIVE HOUSING.

SO THE RESOURCES THAT WE DO HAVE, WE WANNA PRIORITIZE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHICH IS POSSIBLE.

AGAIN, WE CAN'T REALLY LIKE GO OUT AND BUILD NEW HOUSING AT THIS TIME.

UM, THE DOLLARS THAT WE HAVE, WE WANNA, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE GONNA PREVENT SOLUTIONS.

YEAH, JUST FOR INFORMATION.

THIS IS, YOU KNOW, TRY TO RUN THIS IN THE BROWN ACT.

SO WE TRY NOT TO GO TOO DEEP INTO QUESTIONS

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AND FOLLOW UP AFTERWARDS.

THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT POLICIES AND THINGS THAT THE CITY IS TRYING TO DO TO INCREASE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

WE CAN DISCUSS AFTERWARDS.

THANK YOU.

NO.

CAN WE HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, RECEIVE AND FILE THE COC BOARD RETREAT SUMMARY THAT ALEXA PRESENTED? SECOND.

SECOND, BRANDON, ANY MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE THAT HAVE NOT SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND WISH TO SPEAK, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.

UH, SEEING NONE, UH, CAN WE GET A SHOW OF HANDS FOR APPROVAL? AND YOU WANT TO OPPOSE MOTION PASSES.

NEXT UP WE HAVE, UH, HOMELESS SERVICE BUREAU STAFF OPERATIONS REPAIR.

ALRIGHT, WE'LL TRY TO GET THROUGH THIS DECENTLY QUICK SO WE HAVE A GOOD AMOUNT OF TIME FOR THE NEXT ITEM, AS I KNOW THAT IS THE, THE TOPIC OF THE DAY .

UM, SO SORRY.

UH, ALRIGHT.

SO, UH, THERE WAS CONCERN WITHIN THE MAY REVISE.

UH, THE GOVERNOR HAD TAKEN OUT FUNDING FOR HALF ROUND SIX BASED ON BUDGETARY CONSTRAINTS AT THE STATE LEVEL.

UH, THERE WAS A LOT OF ADVOCACY AND PUSH FROM, UH, OUR STATE CONGRESS AT THE ASSEMBLY AND SENATE TO ADD FUNDING BACK IN AS A TOP PRIORITY OF THE STATE.

SO, UM, WELL, I'M AHEAD OF MYSELF AS ON THE NEXT SLIDE, UH, SORRY.

HSB SUBMITTED THREE GRANT PROPOSALS OVER THE LAST MONTH, UH, TWO OF THEM TO CAL AIM.

SO WE ARE PURSUING, UH, COUNTY SERVICES, UH, THROUGH THE, THE CITY HEALTH DEPARTMENT.

SO, UM, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE SUPPORT ALL AGENCIES AND TRYING TO GET LINKED, UH, WITH USING, UH, CALEN TO PROVIDE SERVICES.

I KNOW THERE ARE A NUMBER OF AGENCIES WITHIN THE COC THAT ARE DOING SO, SO JUST TRYING TO EXPAND OPPORTUNITIES.

AND THEN WE DID APPLY FOR THE STATE FOR THE THIRD ROUND OF ENCAMPMENT RESOLUTION FUNDING, UM, SPECIFICALLY FOCUSED ON THE RIVERBED.

SO IF AWARDED THAT WOULD BRING IN $11 MILLION OF ADDITIONAL RESOURCES, UH, SPECIFICALLY TO FOCUS IN ON THE LA RIVER BED.

UM, SO, UM, THE GO TO NEXT SLIDE.

UH, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION ABOUT THE COMMUNITY SUPPORT? UM, SURE.

SO YOU'RE APPLYING FOR THREE GRANTS FOR SOME OF THE COMMUNITY SUPPORTS FROM LA CARE AND HEALTH NET, RIGHT? YEAH.

TWO DIFFERENT, THAT'S TWO OF THEM.

AND THEN THE THIRD IS THE ACCOUNT AND RESOLUTION.

RIGHT? BUT ON THE SECOND BULLET, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA PROVIDE HOUSING SECURITY DEPOSITS AND STABILIZATION.

CORRECT? ARE, ARE YOU, YOU'RE APPLYING FOR THIS FOR LA CARE, BUT IF MY ORGANIZATION WANTS A SUBCONTRACT FOR HOUSING, CAN WE, CAN WE LOOK INTO THAT AS WELL? CORRECT.

YEAH.

OKAY, GOOD.

SO THROUGH LA CARE, THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE, THAT'S THEIR R NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ENTITIES.

WE'RE LOOKING FOR SUBCONTRACTORS JUST RIGHT NOW.

SO WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THE CITY NEEDS YEAH.

WOULD BE LOOKING FOR.

OKAY, GOOD.

AND I KNOW THERE'S SOME OTHER AGENCIES THAT MIGHT BE INTERESTED AS WELL, OR, OR IN PROCESS, SO, OKAY, GREAT.

SO YOU'D LIKE YOU TO, ANYBODY THAT'S ALSO AWARE, WHO DO I TALK TO ABOUT THIS? I WANNA TALK TO SOME PEOPLE AT THE END OF THE TABLE, BUT WE'RE ALSO DOING, UH, CAL RELATED SERVICES, SO, OKAY, GREAT.

UM, THE, AS I STARTED WITH, UH, SO THE STATE, UM, LEGISLATURE DID ADD IN A HALF ROUND SIX INTO THEIR PROPOSAL.

UH, IT DID PASS WITHIN THE LAST WEEK.

SO THERE IS LEGISLATION IN PLACE, UH, WHICH ALLOCATES A BILLION DOLLARS TOWARDS HALF ROUND SIX IN THE 25, UH, FISCAL YEAR 25.

SO THAT WILL CONTINUE ON.

THERE ARE A FEW MINOR CHANGES AS FAR AS WHO WILL BE ADMINISTERING THE FUNDS GOING FORWARD, UH, AT THE STATE LEVEL, AND THEN SOME OF THE EXPENDITURE EXPENDITURE REQUIREMENTS.

UM, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE WERE REQUIRED TO DO WITHIN LA COUNTY AND HALF ROUND FIVE THAT NOW ALL REGIONS WILL BE REQUIRED TO DO SO.

UM, NO MAJOR CHANGES THAT WE'RE

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CONCERNED ABOUT.

UH, IT'S GOOD TO SEE CONTINUED FUNDING AND COMMITMENT FROM THE STATE, EVEN IN, IN A TOP BUDGET YEAR.

UM, WE ARE NOW AT FULL CAPACITY AT THE BAGGA INN AS A PART OF ENCAMPMENT RESOLUTION FUNDING.

ROUND TWO FOCUSED ON THE DOWNTOWN AREA VILLAGE AND KING LIBRARY, UH, VILLAGE AND KING LIBRARY, LINCOLN PARK, UH, PINE STREET.

AND THEN THE PROMENADE IS THE FOCUS AREA FOR, UH, THAT FUNDING FROM THE STATE.

UM, SO THERE ARE 60 ROOMS AT THE VAGABOND.

THOSE ARE FULL NOW.

SO WE'RE STARTING TO, UH, GET REFERRALS FOR RAPID REHOUSING SERVICES, BOTH FOR PEOPLE AT THE BACK BOND AND ANYBODY STILL WITHIN THAT ENCAMPMENT AREA.

UM, SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO ENGAGE, UM, BUT IT IS UP AND RUNNING AND, AND GOING WELL SO FAR.

UH, JULY 12TH, THE MULTI-SERVICE CENTER WILL, UH, BE HAVING AN EVENT WITH PROJECT STREET VET AND KISMET PETS, UH, WHICH IS A PET FOOD COMPANY, UH, THAT PROJECT STREET VET HAS PARTNERED WITH.

AND THEY'LL BE PROVIDING FOOD, UH, GOING FORWARD.

SO WE WILL BE CONTINUING TO GET, UH, DOG FOOD AND WE'RE TRYING TO ALSO GET SOME CAT FOOD AND OTHER FOOD.

UM, BUT THEY'LL CONTINUE TO RESTOCK THAT AS NEEDED.

SO WE'LL HAVE PET FOOD TO GIVE OUT TO, UH, PEOPLE THAT HAVE PETS THAT ARE IN NEED.

SO AN EXCITING ADDITION, UH, EXCITING RESOURCE.

UM, SO IF YOU ARE WORKING WITH ANYBODY, UH, THAT IS CURRENTLY EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS OR HAS GONE THROUGH ONE OF THE PROGRAMS AND NEED SOME SUPPORT WITH, UM, THEIR PETS, I THINK WE'RE FILLED UP FOR THE 12TH, BUT WE DO HAVE THE VET SERVICES COMING OUT REGULARLY, UH, AND THE FOOD WILL BE ONGOING, SO THEY CAN JUST COME OVER TO THE MSC, UH, CHECK IN AND LET THEM KNOW WHAT THEY'RE THERE FOR, IF YOU HAVE ANYBODY SEEKING THAT.

UM, THE, UH, LONG BEACH COMMUNITY CARE CAMPUS IS NOW OPERATIONAL, SO, UH, BEEN ABLE TO GO OVER AND DO A TOUR.

UM, SO EXCITING TO SEE COMMUNITY HOSPITAL, YOU KNOW, BEING RE-ENVISIONED.

UH, WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE HERE WITH US, UH, THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY INVOLVED WITH THE, UH, COMMUNITY CARE CAMPUS.

SO IT'S A COMBINATION OF DIFFERENT NONPROFITS.

SO WE'LL BE RECUPERATIVE CARE BEDS THERE, UH, YOU KNOW, BEDS FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING OFF A HOSPITALIZATION, THEY WILL HAVE SOME SOBERING BEDS THERE, AS WELL AS THEY'RE WORKING TO HAVE SOME HOUSING THAT GOES ON SITE.

SO IT IS A SEVERAL YEAR PROJECT TO, YOU KNOW, FULLY GET TO CAPACITY THERE, BUT THERE ARE BEDS THAT ARE NOW OPEN AND OPERATIONAL.

SO IT'S EXCITING TO SEE ADDITIONAL RECUPERATIVE CARE BEDS HERE IN LONG BEACH.

THAT HAS BEEN A MAJOR GAP.

SO, UH, WE ARE VERY EXCITED TO SEE THAT, UM, EXPAND AND GROW OVER TIME AND MIGHT BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR PRESENTATION ON IT BECAUSE REALLY DOES FILL A LOT OF GAPS THAT WE'VE HAD WITHIN OUR CONTINUUM.

SO A THOUGHT FOR A FUTURE PRESENTATION IS JUST WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE.

UM, CAN WE HAVE A BOARD MEETING THOUGH? HUH? CAN WE HAVE A BOARD MEETING THERE? WE COULD ASK, HAVE A TOUR BEFORE? EXACTLY.

UM, SO, UH, ONE THING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY THE ACCESS POINT FOR FAMILIES.

WE DO USE THE LARGER LOS ANGELES SYSTEM, HOWEVER, WE DO HAVE FAMILIES THAT ARE REGULARLY SEEKING SERVICES WITH MINOR CHILDREN.

OFTENTIMES THEY ARE ENDING UP AT THE MULTI-SERVICE CENTER.

UH, WE WERE ABLE TO PARTNER THROUGH LONG BEACH, UM, LEADERSHIP LONG BEACH, UH, AND A PARTNERSHIP WITH GINSLER TO REIMAGINE A KIDS' AREA.

SO WE HAD LIKE A LITTLE KIDS AREA SET ASIDE.

THIS WILL REALLY KIND OF REVITALIZE THAT, CREATE SOME PRIVACY TO THAT AREA.

SO, UH, THAT CONSTRUCTION WILL BE HAPPENING OVER THE NEXT MONTH.

WE'VE GOTTEN IN LOTS OF BOOKS AND TOYS, SO REALLY TRYING TO CREATE A SPACE FOR, AS FAMILIES ARE SEEKING OUT SERVICES WHEN THEY'RE COMING IN, AS THEY'RE OFTEN COMING INTO, UH, THE MULTI-SERVICE CENTER, THEY'RE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS HERE IN LONG BEACH.

WE WANT TO CREATE A WELCOMING AND FRIENDLY SPACE FOR OUR KIDS.

SO WE'RE EXCITED TO SEE THIS COME TO FRUITION, UM, AND REALLY TO BUILD OUT A SPACE THAT FAMILIES CAN FEEL A LITTLE MORE COMFORTABLE IN VERSUS OUR GENERAL LOBBY.

UM, SOME COC UPDATES.

SO, UM, CRYSTAL, WHO ACTUALLY CAME OUR LAST MEETING HERE WAS AGAIN PROMOTED TO THE PARTICIPANT ENGAGEMENT SPECIALIST.

AND PAUL HAD, UH,

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MENTIONED, UH, THE POSITION THAT WAS HIRED TO KIND OF OVERSEE THE FEEDBACK.

AND SO, UM, CRYSTAL WILL BE THAT PERSON.

SHE'LL ALSO BE THE LIAISON FOR THE ABLE INTAKE LEAD ON RESPONDING TO GRIEVANCES AND INCIDENTS.

SO IN THE POLICY I REFERENCED UPDATED CONTACT INFORMATION, UM, THAT WAS FOR CRYSTAL.

UM, WE ARE ALSO CURRENTLY WORKING ON GETTING THE UNSHELTERED NOFO, UM, CONTRACTS CONFORMED.

UM, WE ARE ELIMINATION FOUNDATION HAS BEGUN RUNNING SERVICES.

AND SO THAT CONTRACT START, OR THE UNSHELTERED NO, WILL BEGIN IN OCTOBER.

IT'S A THREE YEAR CONTRACT.

UM, THEY HAVE BEGAN RUNNING SERVICES FOR, UM, RAPID REHOUSING.

AND THEN, UM, BEGINNING SEVEN ONE, THERE'LL BE SOME CHANGES.

MHA WILL BE BEGIN OPERATING THEIR OUTREACH PROGRAM.

AND THEN THE, UM, HOMELESS SERVICES BUREAU WILL BE ABSORBING TAPS.

SO WE KIND OF JUST DID A LITTLE FLIP FLOOP TO ENSURE THAT THE PROJECTS ARE, UM, ACCURATELY DESCRIBING KIND OF THE WORK THAT'S BEING DONE.

UM, THAT BEING SAID IN RFP FOR ICMS SERVICES THROUGH THAT NOFO, UM, THE KEYS TO HEALTH THAT THE BUREAU APPLIED FOR, UM, WE'RE REVIEWING IT INTERNALLY CURRENTLY, AND WE'RE HOPING FOR TENTATIVE, UM, JANUARY ONE OR, YOU KNOW, JANUARY START DATE.

UM, I WILL ALSO SAY THAT WE WILL BE HAVING A PANEL TO REVIEW THOSE APPLICATIONS THAT YOU COME IN.

SO JUST A SHAMELESS PLUG FOR FOLKS TO, UM, PLEASE SIT ON THE PANEL ONCE THOSE, ONCE THAT IS PUT OUT.

UM, OUR COC COMMUNITY PROGRAM SPECIALIST, UM, THEIR NAME'S AND TERRY, IF YOU HAVE WORKED WITH THEM.

UM, THERE ARE SOME PRETTY, UM, LONG RUNNING STAFF WHO ARE EXPERTS IN THEIR FIELD.

THEY BEGAN HOSTING MONTHLY OFFICE HOURS TWO MONTHS AGO.

UM, AND SO THAT IS OPEN TO ANY OF OUR COC SUBS, UH, OR TOSS ON THE IDEA OF OPENING UP TO, UM, ANY HOMELESS SERVICES BUREAU SUBS.

SO RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST COCA CHANCE TO KIND OF ASK QUESTIONS, GET, UM, FEEDBACK ON PROGRAMS OR, YOU KNOW, UM, HIS QUESTIONS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

REALLY JUST TO HAVE THOSE EXPERTS, UM, IN A SPACE DEDICATED TO, UM, HELPING SUBS OUT.

AND SO THAT IS IN THE LAST THURSDAY OF EVERY MONTH.

UM, ALSO AN UPDATE ON THE ABLE, UNFORTUNATELY WE'RE STILL ON HOLD UNTIL, UM, EVERYONE IS ABLE TO COMPLETE ONBOARDING.

UM, AS OF YESTERDAY, WE'RE WAITING FOR TWO FOLKS TO BE CLEARED.

I BELIEVE EVERYONE'S LIKE DONE THEIR PAPERWORK, WE'RE JUST WAITING FOR IT TO GET CLEARED, UM, BY THE CITY.

SO I'M HOPING NEXT MONTH WE CAN MEET.

BUT, UM, I'LL KEEP YOU ALL UPDATED.

AND THEN ALSO AN UPDATE ON OUR CASE CONFERENCING.

SO I BELIEVE IT WAS, I THINK FALL OF LAST YEAR WE IMPLEMENTED A CASE CONFERENCING, UM, FOR FOLKS WHO WERE BEING MATCHED TO RESOURCES, UM, THAT ACTUALLY WENT REALLY WELL AND THE FOLKS THAT WERE MATCHED, I THINK HAVE MOVED IN, UM, OR, YOU KNOW, FOR THE MOST PART HAVE MOVED IN.

AND SO NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT MOVING TO A BIWEEKLY MEETING AND THEN ALSO FOCUSING ON OUR HIGHEST UTILIZERS OF THE SYSTEM TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE RUNNING SERVICES IN A WAY THAT MEETS THEIR NEEDS.

AND ALSO MAKING SURE THAT, UM, THE FOLKS WHO ARE GONNA BE LIKE, UP NEXT FOR HOUSING OR MAYBE IT MIGHT BE PRIORITIZED FOR HOUSING QUICKLY, THAT WE HAVE CONTACT THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, THAT WE CAN GET DOCUMENTATION, THINGS LIKE THAT, TO GET THEM INTO HOUSING AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

UM, AND SO THAT IS MADE UP OF ALL OF THE SUBJECTS OR NOT ALL OF OUR PARTNERS IN THIS WORK.

AND THEY'RE ALL COLLABORATING ON GETTING FOLKS HOUSED AND I THINK IT'S INCREDIBLE.

SO THAT IS GOING WELL AND WE'LL CONTINUE ON.

THAT CONCLUDES, UH, THIS, THE STAFFING REPORT.

ANY QUESTIONS? A QUESTION ABOUT THE PROPOSAL? UM, I MEAN, I KNOW BUT YOU WANNA RESPOND? OPERATIONS OFFICER SERVICES BUREAU.

UM, SO FAR WE'VE RECEIVED THE CONFIRMATION OF APPLICATIONS AND FOR CAL THEY DON'T, YOU DON'T NECESSARILY APPLY SAYING, YOU KNOW, A DOLLAR AMOUNT, A DOLLAR AMOUNT.

IT'S BASICALLY, HEY, WE'RE ABLE TO SCALE UP TO THIS AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL PROVIDE REFERRALS BASED ON, YOU KNOW, NEEDS OF THEIR, THEIR MEMBERS.

UH, ESSENTIALLY FEE SERVICE MODEL.

WHERE FOR, UM, COMMUNITY SUPPORTS FOR HOUSING NAVIGATION,

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WE ACTUALLY RECEIVED.

DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YOU CAN MOVE TO APPROVE.

CAN WE GET, UH, APPROVAL TO, UM, HAVE THIS APPROVED THIS, UH, STAFF AND OPERATIONS REPORT? CAN WE GET A VOTE? SHOW OF HANDS.

ONE SECOND.

ANY MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE THAT HAVE NOT SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? IF YOU WISH TO COMMENT, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.

SEEING NONE.

ALRIGHT, CAN WE GET A SHOW OF HANDS FOR APPROVAL ALL DAY? OPPOSED? SHOW OF HANDS.

MOTION PASSES.

THANK YOU.

GET TO THE TOPIC OF THE DAY.

YES.

AND IS THAT YOU? YEAH, I'LL GIVE AN OVERVIEW.

UH, ALVIN'S ALSO BEEN PRETTY HEAVILY WITHIN THIS CONVERSATION, SO OKAY.

HE CAN ALSO ADD IN, IF I MISS ANYTHING REALLY AT THIS POINT, WE DON'T HAVE A TON TO SHARE, UM, BUT WE WANT TO GIVE AN OVERVIEW AND ALSO INVITE FEEDBACK.

UM, RIGHT NOW WE ARE STILL DISCUSSING ULTIMATELY WHAT THIS MEANS FOR THE CITY, UH, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

HOW, YOU KNOW, I'LL JUST BE HONEST, THERE IS GOING TO BE CHANGES.

UH, WE ARE COMMITTED AS A CITY AND, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE CITY LEADERSHIP TO LEAD WITH SERVICES TO NOT BE A PUNITIVE CRIMINALIZATION OF HOMELESSNESS WITHIN OUR CITY.

UM, YEAH, I'LL GET INTO THAT IN A SECOND.

SO I'M GONNA GIVE A BACKGROUND ON LIKE THE CASE AND THE RULING, UM, AND WHAT THAT MEANS IN A SECOND HERE.

UM, BUT THERE'S STILL A LOT THAT'S BEING DETERMINED.

SO REALLY THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK, UM, THAT WILL TAKE TO CITY MANAGEMENT.

THE CITY MANAGER HAS BEEN HEAVILY INVOLVED IN THIS CONVERSATION.

UH, THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE BEING LED BY, UH, THE CITY MANAGER'S TEAM, UH, UNDER THERESA THAT ALVIN IS OVERSEEING AND, UH, THE HOMELESS SERVICES BUREAU.

THAT BEING SAID, IT IMPACTS MANY DEPARTMENTS WITHIN THE CITY, SO EVERYBODY WILL HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOME ROLE WITHIN ANY CHANGES THAT ROLL OUT.

UH, SO WITH THAT, I'LL GET INTO WHAT GRANTS PASS IS.

UH, SO JOHNSON B GRANTS PASS WAS A CASE BROUGHT FORWARD IN OREGON, UH, THAT LOOKED AT THE PUNISHMENT OF PEOPLE, UH, AN ORDINANCE THAT BASICALLY MADE IT ILLEGAL FOR ANYBODY TO SLEEP IN A PUBLIC SPACE.

IN THE CITY OF GRANTS PASS, UH, THE UNITED DISTRICT COURT DETERMINED THAT THAT WAS UNCONSTITUTIONAL, THAT IT VIOLATED THE EIGHTH AMENDMENT, WHICH GETS INTO CRUEL AND UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT THAT IF A PERSON DOES NOT HAVE ANOTHER OPTION, SUCH AS A SHELTER, THAT IT IS THEN CRUEL AND UNUSUAL TO RESTRICT THEIR ABILITY TO SLEEP IN A PUBLIC SPACE.

DUE TO THAT ORDINANCE, UH, THERE HAD BEEN, YOU KNOW, A PUSH TO HAVE RECONSIDERATION.

THIS WAS A FURTHER OF MARTIN B BOISE, UH, AND THE RULING THAT CAME OUT IN 2018.

SO THERE WAS A PUSH GRANTS PASS CHALLENGED THAT, THAT MADE IT TO THE SUPREME COURT.

THERE HAD BEEN PUSHES TO HAVE MARTIN VERSUS BOISE, UH, HEARD AT THE SUPREME COURT THAT HAD BEEN DECLINED BY THE SUPREME COURT IN THE PAST.

THEY DID CHOOSE TO TAKE UP GRANT'S PASS VERSUS, UH, JOHNSON.

THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT THE SUPREME COURT HAS HEARD A CASE ON HOMELESSNESS, UH, IN ALMOST TWO DECADES.

SO THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN TAKEN TO THAT LEVEL.

SO THIS IS A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT, UM, OCCASION THAT THE SUPREME COURT, UH, WOULD WEIGH IN.

PREVIOUSLY, THE RULINGS FROM MARTIN VERSUS BOISE AND JOHNSON, BV VERSUS GRANTS PASS ONLY APPLIED TO THE NINTH DISTRICT OF THE UNITED STATES, UH, LARGELY THE WEST COAST, UH, CITY OR STATES.

UM, WITH THE SUPREME COURT WEIGHING IN, THIS WILL APPLY TO ALL STATES WITHIN THE US.

UH, SO THE CASE WAS HEARD ON APRIL 22ND, UM, AND A, UH, DECISION WAS ISSUED ON, UH, JUNE 28TH, JUST SO RIGHT AT THE END OF, OF THEIR

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CALENDAR, UH, FOR THE SUPREME COURT.

UM, SO THE RULING, UM, THE ARGUMENT THAT WAS PUT FORWARD, UH, BASED ON TWO DIFFERENT CASES WERE ROBINSON VERSUS, UH, CALIFORNIA AND PAL VERSUS TEXAS.

SO THIS REALLY GOT INTO ESTABLISHING THE PROHIBITION OF CRIMINALIZATION ON STATUS.

UH, IN THOSE TWO CASES, REALLY LOOK AT, UH, DRUG USE AND ALCOHOL.

SO, HEY, YOU CAN'T CRIMINALIZE SOMEBODY JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE A DRUG USER.

LIKE YOU SEE SOMEBODY WITH FRACK MARKS, YOU CAN'T ARREST THEM AND CHARGE THEM FOR, YOU KNOW, UTILIZING DRUGS BECAUSE THEY ARE A DRUG USER, A STATUS CANNOT BE UTILIZED.

SO REALLY THAT WAS THE ARGUMENT THAT WAS PUT FORWARD.

I WILL SAY THE DECISION DOESN'T REALLY ACTUALLY REFLECT THAT ARGUMENT.

UM, SO, UM, THERE WAS ONE OTHER ARGUMENT THAT WAS MADE AS A THIRD PARTY ARGUMENT WITHIN THE SUPREME COURT CASE, WHICH GOT INTO YOU WHETHER TIME, PLACE AND MANNER RESTRICTIONS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED.

THIS WOULD BE, HEY, YOU CAN'T SLEEP HERE, OR YOU CAN ONLY SLEEP HERE AT THIS TIME, OR YOU CAN ONLY SLEEP IN THIS MANNER.

SO THAT'S WHAT'S DISCUSSED BY TIME, PLACE, AND MANNER THAT WAS NOT WEIGHED IN WITHIN THE RULING AND DECISION, UM, OF THE SUPREME COURT.

SO THE DECISION THAT WAS RELEASED WAS A SIX TO THREE, UH, IN FAVOR OF THE APPEAL MADE BY GRANTS PASS.

SO THEY BASICALLY DECLARED THAT THERE IS NO EIGHTH AMENDMENT, UH, APPLICATION TO THIS SPECIFIC CLASS.

SO BEING HOMELESS, UM, DOES NOT EQUATE A CLASS AS WELL AS THE EIGHTH AMENDMENT.

ALSO, THE SECONDARY PART OF IT IS THAT THE EIGHTH AMENDMENT DOES NOT APPLY TO THINGS BEFORE A PUNISHMENT IS MADE.

SO AN ORDINANCE IS NOT THE PUNISHMENT.

THE PUNISHMENT WOULD BE WHAT IS THE CRIME OR WHAT IS THE PUNISHMENT FOR THAT CRIME? SO IF YOU WERE TO SAY, HEY, YOU'RE GOING TO ARREST SOMEBODY AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA GIVE THEM TWO YEARS IN JAIL FOR SLEEPING IN PUBLIC, THAT'S WHERE YOU CAN MAKE THE ARGUMENT OF THAT IS CRUEL AND UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT.

BUT THE ACT ITSELF AS AN ORDINANCE, THEY DEEMED IS NOT SUBJECT TO THE EIGHTH AMENDMENT, WHICH GETS INTO CRUEL AND UNUSUAL PUNCH.

UH, THERE IS A, YOU KNOW, OPPOSING OPINION THAT WAS WRITTEN BY JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR.

UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, GIVES A VERY DIFFERENT ARGUMENT AND A DIFFERENT LEGAL OPINION.

HOWEVER, WITH A SIX TO THREE RULING, UH, THE RULING IS THAT THERE IS NO PROTECTIONS AROUND, UH, ORDINANCES THAT RESTRICT SLEEPING IN PUBLIC.

SO IT DOESN'T SAY YOU MUST, OR YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T, IT DOESN'T WEIGH INTO THAT.

IT JUST SAYS YOU BASICALLY, THERE IS NO RESTRICTION AND THEREFORE IT IS UP TO EACH JURISDICTION, UH, TO CHOOSE HOW THEY WANT TO HANDLE THE ISSUE.

UM, THEREFORE IT DOES OPEN THE FLOODGATES TO DIFFERENT CITIES, UH, BASICALLY COMING UP WITH ORDINANCES.

THERE ARE A LOT OF ORDINANCES THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE ACROSS, YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE COUNTRY, UH, BUT ESPECIALLY WITHIN THE NINTH DISTRICT COURT THAT HAVE JUST NOT BEEN UTILIZED BECAUSE OF MARTIN VERSUS BOISE.

AND THEN JOHNSON B GRANTS PASS, UH, SOME OF THOSE CITIES ARE CHOOSING TO ROLL THOSE ORDINANCES INTO ACTION PRETTY QUICKLY.

UM, WE DO HAVE AN ORDINANCE IN PLACE ON OUR BOOKS HERE IN THE CITY OF LONG BEACH.

IT IS A PRETTY RESTRICTIVE AND HEAVY HANDED ONE THAT IS JUST, YOU CAN'T CAMP IN PUBLIC SPACES AT ALL.

UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO GO ROLL THAT OUT.

UM, WE ARE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS OUR, OUR BALANCE WITHIN PUBLIC SPACES.

UH, THERE IS A LOT OF ALSO CONVERSATION THAT IS HAPPENING AROUND HOW DOES ANY ONE JURISDICTION WHEN YOU DON'T CRIMINALIZE HOMELESSNESS, DEAL WITH THE POTENTIAL IMPACTS OF SURROUNDING CITIES THAT DO CHOOSE TO, UH, CRIMINALIZE HOMELESSNESS THAT MAY THEN PUSH PEOPLE INTO YOUR CITY.

SO, UH, WE'RE ENGAGED IN CONVERSATION AT VARIOUS LEVELS TO DISCUSS THAT CONCERN.

UH, AND THE POTENTIAL FOR THAT.

WE ARE STILL FINALIZING, AGAIN, WHAT THAT MEANS FOR US.

AGAIN, OUR GOAL IS TO LEAD WITH SERVICES TO REALLY FOCUS, UM, TO NOT BE HEAVY HANDED.

SO WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO GO OUT AND ARREST PEOPLE FOR SLEEPING IN PUBLIC SPACES.

WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, SLEEP TO MEET THEIR BASIC NEEDS WITHIN THE CITY.

UM, THE ADJUSTMENTS,

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YOU KNOW, THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WILL BE MINOR.

SO, AND THEY WILL BE ROLLED OUT OVER TIME.

SO THERE IS NOT GONNA BE ANY IMMEDIATE, UH, YOU KNOW, CHANGE TO WHAT'S HAPPENING CURRENTLY.

THE CHANGES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED ARE, YOU KNOW, NOT THAT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'RE SEEING, BUT THERE WILL BE SOME CHANGES, UH, THAT ARE LIKELY TO COME.

SO, UH, AS MORE GETS SOLIDIFIED WITHIN THAT, UH, WE'RE TRYING TO GET SOMETHING OUT WITHIN THE NEXT TWO TO THREE WEEKS.

UM, AND AT THAT POINT WE'LL HAVE SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN REACT TO.

BUT IN THE MEANTIME, WE WANT TO OPEN FOR CONVERSATION.

UH, WE ARE INTERESTED IN HEARING WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE FEEDBACK OF THIS GROUP IS, UH, I WILL SAY IT'S A TOUGH PLACE TO STRADDLE AT THE MOMENT.

LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE STRADDLING TWO SIDES THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVE, OR, OR MANY DIFFERENT SIDES THAT ARE COMING WITH CERTAIN PRESSURES AND WANTING TO SEE DIFFERENT THINGS.

SO, UM, OUR EFFORT IS REALLY TO MAKE SURE THAT LIKE WHATEVER HAPPENS IS NOT A HEAVY HANDED CRIMINALIZATION OF HOMELESSNESS, BUT KNOWING THAT THERE IS LIKELY TO NEED TO BE SOME ADJUSTMENTS OR LIKELY OUTCOME COULD BE THAT THINGS BECOME MORE HEAVY HANDED IF, YOU KNOW, THERE ISN'T SOME SORT OF ADJUSTMENT.

SO WITH THAT, I'LL PAUSE AND WE CAN OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION.

THE QUESTION.

SO ARE THEY, WHEN THEY SAY SLEEPING IN PUBLIC, ARE THEY GONNA ARREST MY LITTLE DAD WHO FALLS ASLEEP AT AN APARTMENT AS YES, IN THE SAME WAY THAT THEY WOULD ARREST? SO TECHNICALLY, SO THERE IS A PIECE WITHIN IT THAT THE, UM, SUPREME COURT DID WEIGH IN AND BASICALLY SAID IT'S NOT A CLASS ISSUE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, GRANTS PASS APPLIES TO EVERYBODY.

IT'S NOT ABOUT WHETHER YOU'RE HOMELESS OR NOT.

IF YOU WERE TO SAY ON, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ONLY GOING TO TAKE IT OR ARREST PEOPLE THAT ARE HOMELESS THAT FALL ASLEEP IN PUBLIC, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE A CLASS ISSUE.

BUT IF YOU'RE SAYING NOBODY CAN SLEEP IN PUBLIC, I MEAN, IT'S ASININE.

NOBODY'S GOING TO TAKE IT OR ARREST, YOU KNOW, REAL DEAD, YOU'RE ALL DAD THAT FALLS ASLEEP AT THE BEACH BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY AND THEY'RE NOT LIKE, YOU KNOW, EVEN IN SPACES WHERE THEY DO DECIDE YOU TAKE THAT APPROACH, UM, AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE MOST EXTREME POINT.

YOU CAN'T SLEEP ANYWHERE.

SO THAT MEANS BASICALLY YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO SURVIVES.

SO I ASSUME THAT WE POTENTIALLY COULD SEE SOME LAWSUIT.

YOU DISCOVER THAT PLACES ARE TICKETING AND ARRESTING ONLY HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE POLICY.

IT'D BE INTERESTING TO SEE IF ANYTHING ARISES AROUND THAT.

AND IT BECOMES A, YOU'RE NOT ACTUALLY FOLLOWING YOUR POLICY AND YOU ARE CARRIED A SPECIFIC, YOU KNOW, CLASS OF PEOPLE.

THERE'S A, UH, GROWING AMOUNT OF VETERANS AND OTHER FOLKS WHO HAVE BEEN SLEEPING IN THEIR VEHICLES IS VEHICLES TOO.

YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S ACROSS THE BOARD.

SO IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE IN PUBLIC SPACE, WHETHER IT'S IN A VEHICLE ADVANCED OR, YEAH.

SO I MEAN, AGAIN, IT'S ON EACH JURISDICTION TO DECIDE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

THERE ARE MANY JURISDICTIONS THAT DO HAVE, UM, ORDINANCES THAT DO SPEAK TO VEHICLES AND PEOPLE SLEEPING IN VEHICLES.

SO, UM, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS ALSO UP FOR CONVERSATION AND WILL BE SOMETHING THAT IS DISCUSSED RIGHT NOW.

WE HAVE NOT REALLY TOUCHED ON VEHICLES AS A PART OF THE INTERNAL CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY.

YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY THAT THE TIME PLACE MANNER THING SEEMS LIKE THE WAY LONG BEACH WOULD WANT TO APPROACH IT, RIGHT? I MEAN, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SLEEPING IN YOUR CAR AND, AND SETTING UP AN ENCAMPMENT OUTSIDE OF A BUSINESS OR A HOME.

SO I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S BEEN TALKS ABOUT WHAT, WHAT PARAMETERS ARE.

SO RIGHT NOW OUR MAIN FOCUS IS TO ENSURE THAT PUBLIC SPACES THAT ARE UTILIZED BY, YOU KNOW, LOTS OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS ARE ACCESSIBLE TO ALL COMMUNITY PARKS.

SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'LL BE THE MAIN FOCUS IS AS WE LOOK AT THINGS, IT'S LIKE, HEY, IF THIS ENCAMPMENT IS MAKING IT CHALLENGING FOR OTHER COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO UTILIZE THAT PUBLIC SPACE, THAT WILL BE, YOU KNOW, OUR FOCUS AND WE WILL LEAVE THE SERVICES AND TRY TO RESOLVE IT, YOU KNOW, AS WELL AS WE CAN BEFORE THERE IS ANY CONVERSATION ABOUT, HEY, WE'RE ASKING YOU TO MOVE FROM THE SPACE.

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SO, UM, IT'S BASICALLY IT'S GOING TO BE THE POLICEMAN'S CONTACT WITH THE INDIVIDUAL THAT'S REALLY GONNA DETERMINE EVERYTHING.

BRETT.

YEAH, OUR, OUR PLAN IS TO STICK WITH OUR CURRENT INTROVERT DEPARTMENTAL APPROACH WHEN IT COMES TO HOW CLEANUPS ARE CURRENTLY DONE.

AND THIS DOESN'T CHANGE THE REQUIREMENT AROUND POSTING AND HOW PEOPLE'S, YOU KNOW, POSSESSIONS ARE HANDLED.

THAT IS A DIFFERENT, THAT IS A DIFFERENT, UH, YOU KNOW, RULING THAT HAS DIFFERENT LEGAL IMPLICATIONS.

SO WE STILL DO HAVE TO POST BY OUR UNDERSTANDINGS ON HOW WE'VE INTERPRETED THAT.

LIKE THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THAT.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, IF THERE IS AN AREA AND IT COMES UP AS A CONCERN AND LIKE THERE IS GONNA BE INCREASED FOCUS WITHIN THAT AREA, IT WILL START WITH HOMELESS SERVICES AND OUTREACH BEING THE FIRST ENGAGEMENT, TRYING TO LEAD AGAIN WITH SERVICES.

UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE OUR QUALITY OF LIFE TEAM THAT IS REALLY FOCUSED AND THEY WILL BE ACTUALLY A GREAT TEAM.

THE FOCUS FROM THE LAW ENFORCEMENT SIDE, IF IT PROGRESSES TOWARDS THE, HEY, WE'RE ASKING YOU TO LEAVE THIS SPACE, IT WOULD NOT BE JUST, YOU KNOW, ANY, ANY POLICE TEAM.

AND WE WOULD CONTINUE TO USE THE SAME STRUCTURE THAT WE'VE DEVELOPED OVER TIME.

WHEN YOU SAY MINOR CHANGES, THAT DOES MEAN THERE'S CHANGE.

IT'S NOT GONNA BE JUST THE WAY IT IS NOW.

DO YOU HAVE ANY, KINDA, ANY CLUE TO WHAT THOSE MINOR CHANGES ARE? I MEAN, I THINK, AGAIN, I'VE KIND OF ALLUDED TO WHAT IT IS.

IT'S REALLY LIKE THERE WILL BE SPACES WITHIN THE CITY THAT GET IDENTIFIED THAT ARE HIGH PRIORITY WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL GO OUT, WE'LL LEAD WITH SERVICES, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO LIKELY BE ASKING PEOPLE NOT TO BE SETTING UP TENTS AND YOU KNOW, LIKE THE LIBRARY DON'T WANT TO GET INTO LOCATION VERY WELL.

BE ABLE WE'RE, YEAH.

YEAH.

AND I WOULD ALSO CLARIFY, SO THE, SO MARTIN B BOISE, UH, WHICH WAS THE PREVIOUS, UH, LAW REPORT CASE THAT DETERMINED THAT IT WAS UNCONSTITUTIONAL TO, UH, ENFORCE BASED ON, UH, ENFORCE ANTI CAMPING IF YOU DON'T HAVE SHELTER AVAILABLE, RIGHT? SO IT'S, THE IDEA IS THAT IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T HAVE ANYWHERE ELSE TO GO, IT'S UNREASONABLE TO THEM.

WE NOT GONNA.

SO THAT WAS LARGELY WHAT HAS LIMITED OUR, UH, CITY'S, UH, ABILITY TO, UM, SORT OF CRACK DOWN ON LARGER ENCAMPMENTS BECAUSE WE OBVIOUSLY DO NOT HAVE ANY OTHER SPACE TO SUPPORT THAT.

SO, UM, THAT'S REALLY THE MAIN THING THAT HAS CHANGED IS THAT WE NO LONGER ARE HELD TO THAT STANDARD WHERE OUR ENFORCEMENT IS TIED TO OUR SHELTER.

SO THAT'S REALLY THE MAIN DIFFERENCE.

AND ULTIMATELY IN TERMS OF ENFORCING LAWS, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE CITY AS A WHOLE HAS DISCRETION ON WHY CHOOSE TO ENFORCE CERTAIN LAWS, RIGHT? SO, UM, AS YOU WERE SAYING THAT IT'S UP TO THAT POLICE OFFICER OF TIMES WHAT THEY CHOOSE, ENFORCING WHAT THEY CHOOSE.

UM, SO THAT IS STILL UP TO THE CITY TO DECIDE.

AND I THINK THOSE ARE THE CONVERSATIONS THAT ARE STILL HAPPENING THAT NOW THAT WE, OUR ENFORCEMENT CAPACITY IS NO LONGER CONNECTED TO OUR SHELTER CAPACITY.

WHAT DO WE DO AND HOW DO, YEAH, BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT I'VE SEEN, AND THIS IS JUST A JUST ASK WHAT I'VE SEEN IN THE CITY OF LONG BEACH, HOW THEY ENFORCE THIS.

THEY ACTUALLY BEEN RELAXED, SO TO SPEAK, WHICH IS A GOOD THING BECAUSE WHAT I'VE SEEN WITH THE BEAT OFFICERS, WHEN THEY DO COME UP ON THESE ENCAMPMENTS, THEY PRETTY MUCH FAMILIAR WITH DOCUMENTS OF THESE ENCAMPMENTS, CALL THEM BY FIRST NAMES, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? AND I BELIEVE THEIR APPROACH, A MORE HUMANE APPROACH ALONG THOSE MINDS WILL REALLY HELP TO GET INDIVIDUALS MORE MOTIVATED TO SEEK SERVICES.

AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S MY CONCERN LIKE ALWAYS IS IT'S THE LAW ENFORCEMENT, YOU KNOW, IS THINGS GONNA CHANGE WITH THEM? IT'S GONNA BE A, A WATCH COMMANDER GET 'EM OFF THE STREET TYPE MENTALITY, YOU KNOW, OPPOSED TO DOING THE MORNING MAINLY LIKE, I THINK PRESIDENT, PRESIDENT, I MEAN, I THINK THE POSITIVE THING THAT I CAN SPEAK TO ON THE CITY SIDE IS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE PRETTY GOOD ALIGNMENT ACROSS OUR DEPARTMENTS AND THE LEADERSHIP WITHIN THE CITY OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, FEELING THAT SERVICES ARE AND HOUSING ARE THE SOLUTIONS, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE RESOURCES CRIMINALIZING PEOPLE DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY FOR HOUSING WITHIN THIS REGION.

LIKE IF WE DON'T ADDRESS THAT, WE DON'T ADDRESS THE ISSUES.

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CREATING A CRIMINALIZATION THAT, YOU KNOW, ENDLESSLY SITES OR RESTRICTS PEOPLE FROM SLEEPING IN PUBLIC OR EVEN ARRESTS THEM, ONLY CREATES BARRIERS FOR PEOPLE AND ONLY PUSHES, YOU KNOW, THE LARGER ISSUE OF AFFORDABILITY AND A LOT OF OTHER ISSUES THAT, YOU KNOW, CONTRIBUTE TO WHY PEOPLE ARE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS, WHICH IS UNIQUE TO EACH INDIVIDUAL.

LIKE PUSHING PEOPLE BACK AND FORTH AMONG CITIES IS NOT A SOLUTION.

IT IS, IT IS, REGARDLESS OF HOW YOU FEEL, IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE ISSUE OF HOMELESSNESS THAT DOES NOT RESOLVE IT JUST, YOU KNOW, PUSHES.

AND THIS WAS A PART OF THE ARGUMENT AND EVEN EVEN THE CONSERVATIVE SIDE THAT HAD THE RULING IN FAVOR OF THE APPEAL OF GRANTS PASSED, IT DID SPEAK TO YOU LIKE CITIES PUSHING A SOCIAL ISSUE ONTO OTHER CITIES IS NOT A SOLUTION, IS NOT SOMETHING WE SHOULD DO AS A COUNTRY.

BUT THIS RULING DOES ALLOW FOR THAT IS THE REALITY.

AS SOMEONE THAT LIVES IN ORANGE COUNTY, I EXPECT YOU'LL SEE HUNTINGTON BEACH TAKE A DIFFERENT APPROACH THAN LONG BEACH FOR EXAMPLE, , THEY THEY DID PUT OUT A MESSAGE YEAH.

AND THEIR MESSAGE ABOUT THE RULING WAS FINALLY, SO YES, WE CAN ANTICIPATE THAT THEY WILL TAKE A CRIMINALIZATION APPROACH.

RIGHT.

UM, OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T KNOW WHAT EVERY CITY IS GOING TO DO AT THIS POINT, BUT THERE IS INDICATION THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN CITIES WITHIN OUR REGION THAT WILL TAKE A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT, UH, CRIMINALIZATION LENS THAT COULD INCLUDE, UH, A PRETTY QUICK PATH TOWARDS ARREST, UM, AND SPACE.

IT, NO, MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO STAY IN A PLACE WHERE THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE LIKELY TO GET A RIGHT.

WELL I LIVE IN FOUNTAIN VALLEY, SO THEY'LL COME THERE, BEACH COMES TO FOUNTAIN VALLEY 'CAUSE THEY GET TREATED DIFFERENTLY.

I MEAN, THAT'S HOW IT'S GONNA BE HERE.

IT IS A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE.

BUT, AND THEN I WOULD, IT IS, I THINK IT'S A GREAT EXPOSURE, BUT I'D SAY THAT THAT WOULD BE MY CONCERN.

'CAUSE YOU ALREADY ARE SEEING THAT IN YOUR HOMELESS COUNT NUMBERS, RIGHT? YEAH.

SO YEAH.

I'M GLAD YOU SAID YOU'RE GONNA BE TALKING TO CITIES ABOUT THAT.

THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT A LITTLE MORE CLOSELY WITHIN OUR DATA AS WE MOVE FORWARD IS, YOU KNOW, MONITORING, ARE WE SEEING MORE PEOPLE COME AND LIKE COUNT, INTERESTING MIX.

IF WE CAN ADDRESS THIS AT A HIGHER LEVEL, IT IS GOING TO PUT INCREASED PRESSURE ON OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS TO ALSO TAKE THOSE APPROACHES.

SO WE REALLY ARE TRYING TO FIND AS MANY AVENUES TO NOT FALL INTO A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE SEEING A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE OF PEOPLE THAT BECAME HOMELESS IN OTHER SURROUNDING CITIES THAT ARE NOW COMING TO LONG BEACH BECAUSE WE HAVE TAKEN A NON CRIMINALIZATION APPROACH TO THE ISSUE.

I WILL SAY THAT, UH, THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA WAS THINKING AHEAD WITH PROPOSITION ONE BECAUSE BASICALLY PROPOSITION ONE IS LIKE A MIDDLE GROUND APPROACH EITHER WAY, AND IT WILL, YOU KNOW IT WE'LL PRETTY MUCH SUPPORT SOME.

YEAH.

ANYTHING ELSE AT THIS MOMENT? YEAH, BECAUSE, UM, ANY MORE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS RELATING TO, UH, GRANT PASS? ANYONE ON THE BOARD? SO RIGHT NOW THERE IS NO ANTICIPATED TAKING THIS TO CITY COUNCIL.

IT WILL LIKELY GO TO, UM, THE COMMUNITY SAFETY COMMITTEE THAT IS, HAS THREE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS ON IT AT THE END OF THIS MONTH.

UM, SO THAT'S ON JULY 30TH.

UH, IF IT CHANGES AND IT'S GOING TO COUNCIL, WE'LL MAKE SURE TO, UH, LET THIS GROUP KNOW.

THAT WAY IF YOU ARE ABLE TO ATTEND, I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE LIKELY GOING TO CITY COUNCIL, UH, FOR THE NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS THE NEXT TUESDAY.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE KNOW WHERE THIS GROUP LIKELY STANDS.

THERE IS A GROUP THAT LIKELY STANDS IN A VERY MUCH DIFFERENT DIRECTION AND THEY TEND TO BE VERY VOCAL.

SO, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT TELLING YOU WHERE TO STAND OR SOME THINGS, BUT YOU KNOW, OFTENTIMES, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER, OTHER SIDE OF THIS ISSUE IS VERY VOCAL, VERY LOUD.

SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO SHOW UP AND VOICE YOUR, YOUR FEELINGS ON THINGS AND LET YOUR ELECTED OFFICIALS KNOW.

SO JUST PUTTING THAT OUT THERE, WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

YOU THINK IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE? IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE, BUT THEY ONLY HEAR ONE THING.

EVEN IF IT'S,

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YOU KNOW, 5% OF THE COMMUNITY THAT FEELS A CERTAIN WAY.

IF THAT'S THE ONLY COMMUNITY THAT THEY'RE HEARING FROM, THEY FEEL LIKE THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T FEEL PASSIONATE ABOUT IT.

THE ISSUE, EVEN IF THEY KNOW IT'S THE MINORITY, THEREFORE THAT TENDS TO BE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT THEY HAVE TO RESPOND TO.

UM, SO AGAIN, I DO THINK IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE JUST TO LET THEM KNOW, HEY, THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT HAVE DIFFERING OPINIONS THAT TEND TO NOT BE AS VOCAL AS PEOPLE THAT ARE OPPOSED TO SOMETHING.

I'M NOT WAGGING ON THAT.

THE BOARD.

RIGHT.

CAN WE MOVE ON? UH, THANKS.

UH, ALLEN, UH, WE CAN I GET A MOTION TO PROVE THE DISCUSSION OF THE SUPREME COURT RULING IN THE CASE OF CITY OF GRANT? ASK VERSUS JOHNSON.

I'LL SECOND.

ANY MEMBERS OF THE, THE AUDIENCE THAT HAVE NOT SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND WISH TO COMMENT, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.

SEEING NONE.

CAN I GET A CALL FOR A VOTE TO APPROVE RECOMMENDATIONS BY SHOW OF HANDS? ALL BEING OPPOSED.

MOTION PASSES.

THANK YOU.

UM, HAY, RIGHT? YEAH.

OKAY.

I THINK THAT PUBLIC COMMENT.

PUBLIC, PUBLIC COMMENTS.

UM, ANY MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE THAT HAVE NOT SIGNED UP AND WISH TO DO PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.

SEE NONE.

ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS? WANNA ANNOUNCE THAT? NO.

FOUR SEASONS UPON US.

SO JUST A FUND REMINDER THAT WE MIGHT BE CALLING EMERGENCY MEETINGS.

THE QUICK TURNAROUND.

SO IF YOU CALL, UM, JUST BE OPEN-MINDED AND FLEXIBLE WITH THE NEEDS TO GET OUR APPLICATION IN.

UM, WE APPRECIATE IT'LL BE HERE TODAY.

I WILL BE TRAVELING, SO I'LL SEND YOU SOME DATES.

HOPEFULLY I HAVE A FEELING IT'S GONNA HAPPEN RIGHT DURING THAT TIME, BUT IF YOU, IF IT HELPS YOU WORK OUT THE QUORUM AHEAD OF TIME.

YEAH, THAT I'LL SEND THAT TO YOU.

THANK YOU.

ARE WE ALLOWED IN EMERGENCY SITUATIONS TO DO? NO, THE ONLY THING THAT YOU CAN DO A VOTE, UM, THROUGH LIKE PHONE IS IF THERE IS LIKE AN UNFORESEEN ISSUE OVER SICK, UH, YOU CAN USE THAT UP TO TWICE IN A YEAR FOR MEETINGS.

UM, YOU JUST NEED TO REACH OUT TO ALEXA OR JEN.

UH, WE CAN SEND OUT LIKE WHAT THE LANGUAGE ON THAT IS THAT ALLOWS FOR THAT.

SO WE WOULD JUST CALL YOU IN YOUR PHONE.

THAT WAS DISCUSSION ONCE BEFOREHAND, HUH? YEAH, I BELIEVE I SENT OUT AN EMAIL WITH THAT INFORMATION ACTUALLY.

YEAH, YOU DID.

OKAY.

BUT IF YOU'RE REALLY SICK, I MEAN, FEEL FREE TO TAKE THE TIME.

YEAH.

, YOU DON'T HAVE TO FEEL OBLIGATED TO CALL IN IF YOU'RE REALLY NOT FEELING WELL.

YEAH.

ANYTHING ELSE PASTOR? UH, THANK YOU ALL FOR UH, ATTENDING THIS MEETING TODAY, THIS BOARD MEETING, AND WE'RE GONNA CALL THIS MEETING TO AN END ADJOURN.