Dec 04, 2024 Civil Service Commission - Special Meeting

PRESIDENT ROBIN GORDON PETERSON.

HERE, COMMISSIONER JOANNE GARCA.

HERE.

COMMISSIONER VICTORIA.

LOVE HERE.

COMMISSIONER ERIC FROST.

HOLLINS ABSENT.

[CALL TO ORDER]

MY FAVORITE PART OF THE MEETING IS ALWAYS THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

[ROLL CALL]

IS MR. LONG IN THE AUDIENCE? NO.

OKAY, MS. LOVE, WOULD YOU PLEASE LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE? OH, YES.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC STANDS, ONE NATION INVIS AT THE PUBLIC COMMENT, UH, SECTION.

[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]

THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION ON AGENDA ITEMS. ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS OF

[PUBLIC COMMENT Opportunity to address the Civil Service Commission on agenda items. ]

THE PUBLIC THAT WISH TO BE HEARD? OKAY.

HEARING AND SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE ON.

WOULD ANY COMMISSIONERS LIKE TO PULL ANY ITEMS TO DISCUSS FROM THE CONSENT CALENDAR? YES, I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM TWO ACTUALLY, IF IT'S OKAY WITH THE COMMISSIONERS, I'D LIKE TO PULL ONE AND TWO.

LET'S START WITH ONE.

ARE WE GOOD? CAN I GET A MOTION FOR THE CONSENT CALENDAR? WELL, THE MOTION I GUESS, WOULD BE TO PULL BOTH ITEMS FROM THE CONSENT.

SO THEY'RE BOTH NOW ON THE REGULAR AGENDA.

THAT'S GONNA BE THE MOTION.

THANK YOU, GARY.

[1. 24-55798 Recommendation to approve extension of expiring eligible lists. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]

SO ITEM NUMBER ONE, UM, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION.

YOU WANTED TO APPROVE EXTENSION OF THE EXPIRING ELIGIBLE LIST.

THAT'S WHAT I SEE FOR NUMBER ONE.

I WANNA TALK ABOUT THAT.

UM, REAL QUICK, UH, FOR POINT OF ORDER, UH, WE WANTED TO TAKE A VOTE ON THE CONSENT.

I, UH, CALENDAR FIRST TO PULL THE ITEMS, CORRECT.

GARY? THAT'S CORRECT.

I THOUGHT THERE WAS A VOTE.

YOU HAVE A FIRST AND SECOND.

UH, UH, WE ARE, SORRY, I WAS ON MY, UH, MY END.

UH, I WENT AHEAD AND ACTIVATED ITEM ONE.

SO IF YOU DON'T MIND, WE'LL GO BACK TO THE CONSENT.

I'LL HAVE THE, UH, COMMISSION TAKE A VOTE AND THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD IF THAT WORKS FOR YOU.

GARY, THAT WORKS.

I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY, WELL, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR, JUST THE TWO ITEMS. OH, YEAH.

BUT IT'S JUST TO, UH, TO TAKE THE VOTE THAT YOU'RE PULLING BOTH ITEMS. GOT IT.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

AND IF I COULD GET A SECOND, IT SAYS WAITING ON MINE, BUT I SECOND.

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AND THEN COMMISSIONER LOVE, DO YOU ALSO APPROVE? YES.

I BLINKED AND IT WAS THERE.

NOW WE CAN MOVE ON TO, I WANT, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

APPRECIATE THAT.

I, I JUST HAD A A A BRIEF QUESTION.

UM, I NOTICED THAT WE'RE EX, UH, APPROVING OR ASKING US TO APPROVE THE EXTENSION OF EXPIRING ELIGIBLE LIST.

I JUST WANNA KNOW IF THE DEPARTMENTS ARE IN CONCURRENCE WITH THIS FOR THE DIFFERENT LISTS THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE, UM, APPROVING THOSE EXTENSIONS FOR.

I KNOW WHAT WE WANNA DO.

WHAT ABOUT THE DEPARTMENTS? MARIA ELMO, DID YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THIS OR WOULD YOU LIKE ROBERT? I CAN SPEAK.

UM, YES.

GOOD MORNING COMMISSION.

UM, WE DID SEND OUT THIS LIST TO ALL THE DEPARTMENTS, UH, EARLY ON IN, IN NOVEMBER, AND WE DO REQUEST THEIR FEEDBACK.

AND THEN ONCE THEY GIVE US THE FEEDBACK, WE ALSO SEND OUT THE RESULTS TO EMPLOYMENT SERVICES DIVISION SO THAT THEY CAN GIVE US THEIR FEEDBACK IN, IN CASE OF THEIR EXAM PLANS OR WHATNOT, SO FORTH.

AND THEN AFTER THE DECISIONS ARE MADE, UM, THE ANALYST ASSIGNED TO THOSE DEPARTMENTS COMMUNICATE TO THE, THEIR DEPARTMENTS IF IT WAS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE DEPARTMENT REQUESTED.

SO DID WE HAVE ANY DEPARTMENTS THAT SAID THAT THEY DON'T WANT THOSE LISTS EXTENDED? OR DID THEY ALL SAY, YES, PLEASE EXTEND THE LIST? THE ONLY WE RECEIVE A COMMUNICATION FROM WATER.

UH, AND THEN AFTER TALKING TO WATER, UM, BECAUSE THE, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER REQUESTED, UM, AN EXPIRATION AND THEN THE ANALYST REQUESTED AN EXTENSION.

SO WE COMMUNICATED TO THEM WHERE WE GOT THE, UM, THE EXPIRATION AND THEY WE'RE FINE WITH THAT.

THAT'S THE ONLY DEPARTMENT THAT I'M, THAT WE'RE AWARE THAT COMMUNICATED THAT TO US.

I WANNA ADD SOME CLARIFICATION.

THIS IS A KIND OF A DUTY RESPONSIBILITY THAT I TRANSITIONED BACK TO ADMIN SUPPORT.

SO I'M NOT AWARE THAT THE ANALYSTS WOULD HAVE COMMUNICATED, UM, IN A LAST, THIS LAST GO AROUND BECAUSE I'VE PULLED THEM OFF OF THAT TASK A FEW MONTHS AGO.

SO IF THEY'LL LOOK AT IT AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY CONCERNS TO THEM, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE DEPARTMENTS, BUT THAT IS TO EXTENT OF THEIR ROLE BECAUSE I AM NO LONGER HANDLING THAT FOR ADMIN SUPPORT.

SO I HAVE TRANSITIONED THAT BACK TO ADMIN SUPPORT.

SO UNLESS ROBERT HAD COMMUNICATED WITH THE ANALYST, BUT THAT IS NOT THEIR FUNCTION, AND THROUGH THIS TRANSITION, THAT SHOULD NOT BE THEIR FUNCTION BECAUSE THEY'RE EMPLOYMENT SERVICES.

UM, SO WHAT I'VE GLEANED FROM OUR DISCUSSION IS THAT THE DEPARTMENTS ARE IN ALIGNMENT.

UH, THIS IS COMING FORTH TO US FOR OUR APPROVAL.

WE'RE OKAY AS LONG AS WE KNOW THAT, UH, WE'RE NOT JUST GOING OFF ON OUR OWN, UH, WITH THE EXTENSIONS, BUT THAT WE'VE COMMUNICATED TO THE DEPARTMENTS TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT, THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT.

AND, AND THAT'S ALL THAT I WANT.

THAT'S ALL THAT I'VE EVER WANTED, THAT WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT.

AND I HEARD THAT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND THEN ITEM NUMBER TWO, I'VE PULLED THAT BECAUSE, WELL, FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE.

OH, I'M FINE WITH ITEM NUMBER ONE.

WE CAN, I CAN ACCEPT THAT.

WAS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR ARE YOU, YOU READY FOR A VOTE? I'M DONE WITH ONE, UH, COMMISSIONERS.

I'M SORRY, JOANNE.

NO, I HAVE NOTHING.

OH, WE'RE GOOD.

UH, COMMISSIONER LEFT.

ON ON TO ITEM TWO.

I ASK FOR THIS TO, UH, COME BACK, UH, TO THE AGENDA.

UM, SO IF I COULD GET A, A MOTION, I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS THIS.

SO YOU NEED A MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATIONS, SINCE THE COMMISSION TOOK ACTION OR TOOK A VOTE AT THE LAST MEETING BEFORE YOU CAN DISCUSS THIS, YOU NEED A, A MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION

[2. 24-55799 Recommendation to approve downgrade (voluntary) for Gerald Young, Maintenance Assistant III to Maintenance Assistant I – Reconsideration. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]

IN A SECOND.

AND YOU'LL HAVE TO AGREE TO RECONSIDER THIS ITEM.

THAT WAS MY QUESTION.

WHY WOULD, I'M SORRY.

IT, YOU NEED A, YOU NEED A, A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR THE RECONSIDERATION OF THIS ITEM.

AND, AND I'M, IT, IT SAYS THAT ON THE AGENDA RECONSIDERATION IT DOES, BUT YOU STILL NEED A MOTION.

I'M NOT SURE WHO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE YOU, YOU'VE HEARD THIS AT THE LAST MEETING, RIGHT? AND YOU VOTED UNANIMOUSLY, UNANIMOUSLY NOT TO APPROVE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.

SO YOU TOOK AN ACTION.

RIGHT? SO IT'S BACK ON TODAY.

I'M NOT SURE WHY IT'S ON, UH, I'LL EXPLAIN WHY, BUT IF YOU WANNA RECONSIDER

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THANK YOU, GARY.

YOU KNOW THE TITLE REALLY SHOULD HAVE SAID FOLLOW UP.

REALLY SHOULD HAVE SAID FOLLOW UP.

WELL, UH, BE BE BECAUSE, UH, THE GENTLEMAN IN THE SUIT IS , IS THE PERSON I'M LISTENING TO.

UH, CAPRICE.

BUT I WILL BE TAKING THIS DIRECTION OF GARY.

AND SO, UH, GIVE ME THE VERBIAGE AGAIN, GARY.

SO THERE SHOULD BE A MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION OF THIS ITEM.

AND THEN YOU NEED A SECOND, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO AGREE TO, SO MOVED.

ARE WE GOOD OVER THERE? UH, JUST TO CONFIRM, GARY, WE'RE GONNA TREAT THIS AS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO THE THE CURRENT RECOMMENDATION.

IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY.

YEAH, THEN WE'RE GOOD.

ALRIGHT.

SO, UM, THE REASON WHY I REQUESTED THAT THIS ITEM RETURNED TO THE AGENDA WAS BECAUSE I, I KEPT FEELING LIKE THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT WASN'T COMPLETED.

AND, UM, AND I WANTED TO MAKE ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN THAT THE COMMISSION HAD FOLLOWED THE POLICY ACCURATELY.

AND THIS KEPT TROUBLING ME BECAUSE THE COMMISSION VOTED NOT TO ACCEPT THE DOWNGRADE.

AND THAT'S WHERE MY, MY CONCERN IS HOW DOES THIS AFFECT THE EMPLOYEE AND HOW DOES THIS AFFECT THE DEPARTMENT? AND, UM, AND I, I WAS NEVER CLEAR AND I APOLOGIZED TO EVERYONE FOR TAKING TIME FOR THIS.

I JUST WASN'T CLEAR.

UH, SO I FELT THAT IN ORDER TO BE CONSIDERATE AND TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT THE IMPLICATION OF OUR VOTE IS, I NEEDED TO BRING IT BACK.

UM, WHAT IS EXACTLY GOING ON WITH THIS POSITION? WE DECLINED TO APPROVE THE RECOMMENDATION TO DOWNGRADE THIS PERSON FROM A GRADE THREE TO A GRADE ONE.

WHERE ARE WE WITH THIS? AND THAT'S WHAT MY CONCERN IS, GARY.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AT THE LAST MEETING THAT, UM, JUST TO RECAP, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT MR. GERALD JUNG WAS A MAINTENANCE ASSISTANT THREE ON THE NIGHT SHIFT FOR THE PARKS DEPARTMENT.

HE WANTED TO MOVE TO THE DAY SHIFT AND THEY ONLY HAD A MAINTENANCE ASSISTANCE ONE POSITION OPEN.

AND HE VOLUNTARILY AGREED TO TAKE THAT POSITION.

'CAUSE HE WANTED TO WORK DAYS.

I THINK FROM WHAT I GATHER IS THAT ONCE HE STARTED WORKING ON THE DAY SHIFT, HE REALIZED THAT THERE MAY HAVE BEEN OPENINGS FOR A MAINTENANCE, MAINTENANCE ASSISTANT THREE ON THE DAY SHIFT.

AND HE FELT LIKE MAYBE HE WASN'T GIVEN THE PROPER INFORMATION HE SHOULD HAVE HAD, AND HE WANTED TO BASICALLY BECOME A MAINTENANCE, MAINTENANCE ASSISTANT THREE.

BUT ON THE DAY SHIFT.

BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, THE DEPARTMENT HAS ALREADY PROCESSED THE PAPERWORK.

HE IS NOW CURRENTLY A MAINTENANCE ASSISTANT ONE ON THE DAY SHIFT.

UM, THIS HAPPENED MONTHS AGO.

AND AT THE LAST MEETING, MY, UM, OPINION TO THE COMMISSION WAS, THERE'S NOTHING THIS BODY CAN DO TO CHANGE WHAT THE DEPARTMENT HAS ALREADY DONE.

I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE JURISDICTION TO MAKE HIM A MAINTENANCE ASSISTANT THREE, WHICH IS WHAT HE'S ASKING FOR.

AND WHEN THIS CAME BEFORE YOU FOR THAT ITEM, THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WAS TO, I BELIEVE, GO FORWARD WITH WHAT THE DEPARTMENT HAD DONE.

AND I WANNA SAY COMMISSIONER FALLIS MAY HAVE BEEN THE ONE WHO MADE THE MOTION TO SAY HE DIDN'T SUPPORT THAT AND HE WAS GOING TO VOTE NO.

AND THE BODY AS A WHOLE VOTED UNANIMOUSLY NOT TO SUPPORT THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.

BUT MY OPINION IS THAT YOUR ACTION AT THE LAST MEETING HAS NO IMPACT ON WHAT THE DEPARTMENT'S ALREADY DONE.

HE'S STILL A MAINTENANCE ASSISTANCE ONE AND YOU DON'T HAVE AUTHORITY TO MAKE HIM A THREE.

RIGHT.

AND CERTAINLY WE WERE NOT TRYING TO INTERCEDE ON, ON, UH, WHERE A PERSON FALLS ON ANY LEVEL, ONE, TWO, OR THREE.

THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR.

HOWEVER, UM, THE DEPARTMENT DID SAY THAT THE GENTLEMAN DID NOT RECEIVE ADEQUATE INFORMATION.

UM, AND, AND SO FOR THAT REASON, UH, THAT IS WHY I WANTED TO DISCUSS THIS AGAIN, BECAUSE IF WE SAY AS A BODY THAT WE ARE NOT IN AGREEMENT WITH HIM GOING FROM A THREE TO A ONE, HOW DO WE THEN GO FROM A THREE TO A ONE IF WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO APPROVE WHETHER THE DOWNGRADE IS ACCEPTED? WE ARE SAYING AS A BODY, WE DON'T ACCEPT THE DOWNGRADE BECAUSE WE DON'T BELIEVE IT TO HAVE BEEN DONE DECENTLY AND IN ORDER.

SO AS A COMMISSION WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AND SAID, NO, THE DEPARTMENT, UH, IF, IF, IF HE WAS NOT GIVING THE CORRECT INFORMATION AND IT WAS ASCERTAINED THAT HE WAS NOT, THEN WHETHER THAT THREE LANDS HIM BACK ON THE NIGHT SHIFT OR ON MARS IS IRRELEVANT TO US.

WE DON'T APPROVE OF HIM GOING FROM A THREE TO A ONE.

WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN WHETHER HE WORKS DAY OR NIGHT SHIFT.

AND THAT WAS OUR POSITION.

AND THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S

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WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.

WHERE DO WE FIT IN THAT EQUATION? BECAUSE THAT'S HOW WE FEEL.

WE'RE NOT CONCERNED WHETHER HE'S ON DAY OR NIGHT SHIFT.

THAT'S BETWEEN HIM AND HIS DEPARTMENT.

WHERE WE ARE CONCERNED IS THAT HE WAS GIVEN MISINFORMATION, UNQUALIFIED INFORMATION, UN VETTED INFORMATION THAT LED HIM TO MAKE A DECISION.

AND SINCE WE ARE THE EMPLOYER, IT IS OUR OBLIGATION TO GIVE OUR EMPLOYEES ADEQUATE INFORMATION TO MAKE THE BEST DECISION POSSIBLE.

THAT'S WHY THEY'RE THE EMPLOYER EMPLOYEE.

AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE THE EMPLOYER.

SO I BELIEVE WE'RE HELD AS THE EMPLOYER TO A HIGHER STANDARD.

AND SO THAT IS WHY THIS IS BACK HERE BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THERE HAS NOT BEEN A RESOLUTION AND NO, I AM NOT TRYING TO SAY THAT THE DEPARTMENT SHOULD PUT HIM ON, UH, ON A DAY SHIFT ATTACHED TO A LEVEL THREE.

IF THAT IS NOT IN, IN THE ALIGNMENT WITH THE DEPARTMENT, WE DON'T GET INTO THAT.

ALL I'M INTERESTED IN IS THE THREE TO A ONE.

AND I THINK AT THE LAST MEETING, ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS I HAD PROBABLY PUT OUT WAS MAYBE HAVE THE DEPARTMENT LOOK AT REVERTING HIM BACK TO A THREE.

BUT THAT'S PROBABLY PUTTING HIM BACK ON THE NIGHT SHIFT.

AND I DON'T KNOW, I KNOW MS. BENNER'S HERE AND I DON'T WANNA PUT HER ON THE SPOT.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE DEPARTMENT HAS DONE ANYTHING SINCE THE LAST MEETING IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT THIS ISSUE.

UM, BUT THAT WAS THE OPTION THAT I LAID OUT TO MAYBE IF, IF HE IS ADAMANT ABOUT BEING A THREE, THEN THEY PUT HIM BACK ON THE NIGHT SHIFT AS A THREE.

IS THERE ANY INFORMATION FURTHER FROM MR. YOUNG? DOES IT, AM I UNDERSTANDING THEY WERE GOING TO DO A CALL FOR A, UH, INTERVIEWS FOR THE DAY SHIFT OR WHATEVER ELSE? WELL, I'VE BEEN MADE AWARE, UM, YESTERDAY THAT PARKS AND REC, AND THIS IS THROUGH MR. YOUNG, THAT THEY ARE HOSTING INTERVIEWS.

THEY HAVE THREE VACANCIES AT GRADE THREE, TWO AT NIGHT, ONE A DAY.

AND HE DID SIGN UP AND ENCOURAGED HIM TO MOVE FORWARD TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT INTERVIEW PROCESS.

SO, ALRIGHT.

YEAH.

COMMISSIONERS, YOU SAID, YOU SAID THAT INTERVIEWS COMING UP, BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, FOR TWO MONTHS, HE'S CONSIDERED A ONE, NOT A THREE.

DID I HEAR YOU RIGHT? WELL, THINK GARY.

WELL, RIGHT NOW, CURRENTLY I THINK HE'S BEEN PROCESSED, HE VOLUNTARILY CHOSE, AND I GET THE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE HE DIDN'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION HE SHOULD HAVE HAD, BUT HE VOLUNTARILY CHOSE TO, UM, DOWNGRADE FROM A MAINTENANCE ASSISTANCE THREE TO OH ONE.

SO CURRENTLY HE IS A MAINTENANCE ASSISTANT ONE.

I'M, I'M JUST CONCERNED, YOU KNOW, CAPRICE, GIMME ONE, GIMME ONE SECOND.

YEAH, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT.

UM, GARY, WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST MEETING WAS, UH, THAT IT BEGAN AS VOLUNTARY AND THEN IT ENDED UP AS INVOLUNTARY.

SO ACCORDING TO MR. YOUNG, HIS REQUEST IS, OR PROCESS HAS BEEN AN UN INVOLUNTARY PROCESS.

AFTER HE BECAME AWARE OF ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, HE SHOULD HAVE HAD TO CONSIDER THE ENTIRETY OF HIS DECISION.

SO I, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT AT LEAST IN MR. YOUNG'S EYES THAT WE'RE SPEAKING THE SAME LANGUAGE AS HE HAS ALREADY SAID, IT'S INVOLUNTARY.

WELL, ALL I CAN SAY I WASN'T THERE.

NONE OF US WERE THERE.

RIGHT.

ALL I CAN SAY IS BASED UPON WHAT I'VE HEARD, I MEAN, HE VOLUNTARILY WANTED TO MOVE FROM NIGHT TO DAY, AND WHILE HE MAY NOT HAVE GOTTEN ALL THE INFORMATION HE SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT INFORMATION MAY HAVE ENTAILED, BUT I THINK THE DEPARTMENT CAN SEE, THERE'S SOME THINGS HE MAY HAVE, UM, UM, NOT BEEN TOLD.

UM, BUT I DON'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION.

I DON'T THINK ANY OF US DO.

'CAUSE WE WEREN'T THERE.

BUT BASED UPON WHAT I KNOW, IT WASN'T LIKE HE WAS FORCED TO DO IT.

SO FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, IT WAS VOLUNTARY.

HE MAY NOT HAVE HAD ALL THE INFORMATION HE SHOULD HAVE HAD AND, AND, AND SHAME ON THE DEPARTMENT FOR NOT PROVIDING MORE INFORMATION IF THAT'S THE CASE.

BUT NEVERTHELESS, FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, IT WAS A VOLUNTARY DECISION.

IT, IT STARTED THAT WAY.

AND THIS COMMISSION WAS HERE WHEN WE HEARD FROM THE DEPARTMENT AND MR. YOUNG.

AND SO WE'RE, AS YOU SAID, WE WEREN'T THERE IN THE ROOM WHEN THOSE CONVERSATIONS WERE HAVING, UH, WERE BEING HAD BETWEEN, UH, MR. YOUNG AND THE DEPARTMENT, HOWEVER, BOTH GOT A CHANCE TO SPEAK AT A MEETING HERE.

AND THE DEPARTMENT HAS ADMITTED TO LACKING INFORMATION.

I'M PARAPHRASING.

UM, AND SO AT THAT POINT FOR ME AS A COMMISSIONER, IT CONFIRMED TO ME THAT, UH, MR. YOUNG WAS IN HIS RIGHT TO SAY IT'S, UH, THE, MAYBE THE REQUEST WAS VOLUNTARY.

HE WANTED TO MOVE FROM, FROM NIGHT TO DATE, BUT HE DID NOT WANNA BECOME A ONE FROM A THREE.

SO THERE'S, THERE'S TWO PARTS TO THAT.

THAT WAS NOT, IT WASN'T LIKE HE DIDN'T KNOW THAT HE KNEW THAT HE KNEW THAT WAS PART OF THE DEAL.

BUT HE ALSO KNEW THAT WHEN HE MADE THE CHOICE TO MOVE FROM NIGHT TODAY, IT MEANT BECOMING A ONE.

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IF I GO TO KNIGHTS, I'M GONNA BE DOWNGRADED TO A ONE.

NOW, WHETHER THERE WAS MORE INFORMATION THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN SHARED UP TO DEBATE.

BUT I WILL SAY THIS THOUGH, LIKE I SAID, ONE OF THE, I THINK PERHAPS OPTIONS TO LOOK AT WOULD BE IF HE DIDN'T HAVE FULL DISCLOSURE OF ALL THE INFORMATION HE SHOULD HAVE HAD, THEN YOU, YOU GO BACK TO THE STATUS QUO, YOU START OVER AND STARTING OVER MEANS PUTTING BACK ON NIGHTS AS A THREE.

BUT THAT'S FOR THE DEPARTMENT TO DECIDE.

RIGHT? THANK YOU, CAPRICE.

WHY ARE, WHY ARE WE NOT, I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY, BUT WHY ARE WE NOT GOING BY THE RULES? ARTICLE SIX, SECTION 64, IF AFTER INVESTIGATION THE COMMISSION MAY REVERSE OR REFUSE, APPROVE ANY TRANSFER, AND THIS WAS CONSIDERED A TRANSFER.

AND THERE ARE OTHER RULES THAT SAYS THE COMMISSION CAN DIRECT THE DEPARTMENT TO DO STUFF.

SO I'M NOT HEARING ANYTHING THAT'S RELATED TO THE RULES.

SO I THINK THIS BODY HAS A DUTY TO FOLLOW WHAT THE RULES STATING.

CAN YOU SHOW THAT TO GARY PLEASE? AND THEN I, I WOULD SAY MY, MY RESPONSE TO THAT WOULD BE THERE HASN'T BEEN A THOROUGH INVESTIGATION.

WE'VE HEARD FROM MR. YOUNG.

I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THE SUPERVISOR.

I HEARD FROM MS. MS. BENDER, WHO'S THE AO I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THE PARKS DIRECTOR.

I INVESTIGATED, I SPOKE TO THE DEPARTMENT, I SPOKE TO THE SUPERVISOR, AND THE DEPARTMENT CAME TO THE MEETING.

THEY'RE HERE.

WELL, THE AO CAME TO THE MEETING, BUT THE PEOPLE WHO WERE IN THE ROOM HAD NOT COME TO THE MEETING.

I INVITED THEM.

CHRIS CAPRIS ONE, THE SUPERVISORS CAME LAST WEEK AS WELL.

THAT MAY BE TRUE, BUT TO ME, THAT'S NOT A THOROUGH INVESTIGATION FOR THIS BUYER TO MAKE A DECISION BASED UPON WHAT WE'RE HEARING HERE WITHOUT THE PEOPLE WHO MADE THE DECISIONS.

GOT IT.

WE, YOU ARE CORRECT.

UM, THEY HAVE BEEN INVITED AND MS. BENDER'S THE ONLY PERSON WHO HAS SHOWN UP AND SHE HAS SPOKEN TO THE BEST OF HER ABILITY, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, SHE HAS SPOKEN TO THE BEST OF HER ABILITY, UH, TO WHAT SHE UNDERSTANDS.

THEN SHE CAME BACK AGAIN AFTER SHE FOUND OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE AND REPORTED THAT BACK TO US.

WE CANNOT FORCE SOMEONE TO COME AND SPEAK ON THEIR ACTIONS IF THEY CHOOSE NOT TO, BUT THEY HAVE SENT REP, UH, A REPRESENTATIVE.

AND SO WE ARE, THIS COMMISSION HAS, UH, FORMED OR IS FORMING AN OPINION BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO US.

AND AGAIN, THE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN INVITED MORE THAN ONCE TO COME.

MS. BENDER HAS SPOKEN TO THE BEST OF HER ABILITY FOR THOSE IN THE ROOM.

AND SO, UH, MADAM PRESIDENT, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD TO THAT, TO THAT.

I DON'T THINK THAT THERE IS.

UM, I JUST WANTED TO BE CERTAIN THAT WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THIS ITEM.

I, AND I'M GLAD, UH, THAT GARY HAS WEIGHED AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

I APPRECIATE YOU WEIGHING AS, AS WELL CAPRICE WITH THE RULES OF CIVIL SERVICE.

UH, MY JOB IS ONLY TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT WE DO NO HARM.

AND AT THIS TIME, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT, UH, WE'VE DONE, UH, DONE RIGHT BY MR. YOUNG AND I, THAT THAT WAS REALLY MY ISSUE.

I JUST NEEDED TO, TO COME BACK SO THAT WE COULD DISCUSS IT FULLY, MAKE CERTAIN THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.

AND THAT IN MR. YOUNG'S EYE, GARY WAS NOT A VOLUNTARY DEMOTION.

UH, AND THAT YES, IF MR. YOUNG IS, IS SO INCLINED AND IF THE DEPARTMENT IS IN, UH, IS INCLINED TO RETURN HIM TO THE THREE, BACK TO THE NIGHT SHIFT, I, I THINK GARY ACTUALLY HAS COME UP WITH A GREAT SOLUTION AND THAT, JUST START OVER, DO A REDO.

UH, BUT THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY I UNDERSTAND FROM YOU, CAPRICE, FOR HIM TO TEST, I'M SORRY, INTERVIEW.

I DON'T, I APOLOGIZE FOR THE WORD TEST, BUT TO INTERVIEW TO SEE IF HE CAN RETURN, UH, TO THAT, UM, DAY SHIFT UNDER THE, THE GRADE THREE, UM, CLASSIFICATION.

AND THEN ALSO IF WE CAN FIND OUT WHEN THEY PLAN TO HOST THE INTERVIEWS FOR THE BEACH MAINTENANCE.

BECAUSE I KNOW HE'S WORKED OVERTIME AND THOSE VACANCIES ARE STILL THERE.

BUT I, I BELIEVE I WAS TOLD BY CHERYL THAT THEY'RE WAITING TO HIRE A SUPERVISOR.

SO THERE ARE VACANCIES OUT THERE.

WELL, WE'LL LEAVE THAT.

YEAH, I THINK SO.

THE VACANCIES AND THE, THE HIRING SCHEDULE TO THE DEPARTMENT, UM, I DON'T WANNA NECESSARILY WEIGH IN THERE.

UM, BUT MY, MY ONLY CONCERN AS ALWAYS IS THAT WE DO RIGHT BY THE EMPLOYEE THAT THAT'S IT.

UM, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE, WHEN SOMEONE, UH, COMES TO WORK EVERY DAY, THEY NEED TO KNOW THAT THEY'RE VALUED.

MR. YOUNG DOESN'T FEEL VALUED BY US.

AND I KNOW FOR A FACT, LISTENING TO MS. BENDER, I, I FELT WHAT SHE WAS SAYING, UH, TO BE TRUTHFUL, UH, BECAUSE SHE GAVE IT TO US WITH THE WARTS OFF.

SHE WAS VERY HONEST ABOUT, SHE FELT THAT THE DEPARTMENT HAD NOT GIVEN HIM ALL THE INFORMATION.

SHE WAS CLEAR ABOUT THAT.

UH, ALRIGHT, I, I HAVE, UH, GO AHEAD.

ANOTHER, UM,

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KIND OF WHERE, WHERE WE STAND AS WELL, IT WAS DISCUSSED AT, AT ONE OF THE MEETINGS, UH, I BELIEVE MAY HAVE BEEN THE FIRST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT IT, UH, WHERE IT WAS CONCLUDED THAT APPOINTMENTS DO HAPPEN, THAT PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY INTERVIEW TO BE GIVEN A POSITION.

WHERE ARE WE WITH THAT MS. BENDER? CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY AGAIN.

OH, I DIDN'T KNOW.

I DIDN'T LOOK OUT IN THE LOUD .

GOOD MORNING, MS. BENDER.

I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW YOU WERE IN THE ROOM.

GOOD MORNING.

GOOD MORNING, GOOD MORNING.

AND ALSO, I'D LIKE TO CLARIFY, UH, THE SUPERINTENDENT, MIKE TIERNEY IS HERE WITH ME TODAY, AND HE WAS ACTUALLY HERE AT THE LAST MEETING AS WELL.

AND HE CAN SPEAK AS WELL.

PERFECT.

UM, AS FAR AS APPOINTMENTS BEING MADE, UH, WHERE IT, YOU KNOW, INTERVIEWS DIDN'T NECESSARILY TAKE PLACE.

UM, THESE ARE THE, TYPICALLY THOSE ARE BEING, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE DONE FOR BUSINESS NECESSITY.

UM, FOR EXAMPLE, THE ENTIRE PARK AMBASSADOR PROGRAM WAS SET UP WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, APPOINTMENTS FROM INTERNAL STAFF.

AND IN FACT, MR. YOUNG WAS ONE OF THE BENEFICIARIES OF THAT BECAUSE HE WAS NOT A THREE AT THE TIME.

HE WAS PLACED IN THE AMBASSADOR PROGRAM.

HE ACTUALLY DID RECEIVE A PROMOTION.

AND WHEN HE WAS APPOINTED INTO THAT, INTO THAT, UH, POSITION, UM, AND AS FAR AS I HEARD HIM REFERENCE A FEW OTHER PLACEMENTS, UH, THAT HAD BEEN MADE.

UH, AND ON THE DAY SHIFT, UH, THOSE INDIVIDUALS WERE ACTUALLY ALWAYS SLATED TO BE PLACED ON THE DAY SHIFT AT, AT THE GRADE LEVEL THREE.

BUT THE, THE INITIATION OF THE PARK AMBASSADOR PROGRAM AT THE TIME TOOK PRECEDENT.

AND SO WE PUT THEM THERE OUT OF NECESSITY.

AND AT THE TIME THAT WE WERE, HAD MADE ENOUGH PROGRESS FORWARD TO BE ABLE TO KIND OF RESHUFFLE AND KIND OF RESET, WE THEN PROCEEDED WITH THE PLACEMENTS THAT WE WERE ALWAYS INTENDING TO MAKE WITH THOSE OTHER INDIVIDUALS.

WHERE, WHERE ARE WE WITH MR. YOUNG? UH, WITH MR WHAT, WHAT CAN THE, OH, SORRY TO INTERRUPT.

WHAT CAN THE DEPARTMENT DO TO TRY TO BETTER THE SITUATION OR START ALL OVER AS, UH, GARY HAS RECOMMENDED? WELL, RIGHT NOW WE DO HAVE INTERVIEWS SCHEDULED FOR THE MAINTENANCE ASSISTANT THREE.

UH, AND MR. YOUNG HAS BEEN INVITED TO PARTICIPATE AND WE ARE EAGERLY AWAITING HIS PARTICIPATION.

UM, WE DO HAVE ADDITIONAL VACANCIES IN BEACH MAINTENANCE, BUT AS I SAID, WE HAVE ANOTHER HIRING PROCESS WE NEED TO COMPLETE BEFORE WE CAN INITIATE THOSE.

UM, AND AS FAR AS GARY'S RECOMMENDATION TO RETURN TO THE STATUS QUO, WE HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THAT EITHER.

IS MR. YOUNG A ONE OR A THREE RIGHT NOW? HE'S A ONE STARTING OVER.

RIGHT.

UH, SINCE YOU HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THAT, UH, WILL HE BE GIVEN HIS BACK PAY TO MAKE HIM WHOLE AS A THREE? I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE.

THAT'S A QUESTION I CAN ANSWER ON THE SPOT.

I WOULD CERTAINLY NEED TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH MY, YOU KNOW, MY LEADERSHIP CHAIN.

I'M, I MEAN, I'M AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER AND I LOVE MY POSITION, BUT THERE'S FOLKS ABOVE ME WHO HAVE DECISIONS TO MAKE.

SO TH THOSE, THAT'S ONE OF THE, THE THINGS AS A COMMISSIONER, UM, THAT WE SOMETIMES DO WHEN IT COMES TO DISCIPLINARY APPEALS.

, UH, WE GIVE BACK PAY IF THE SITUATION CALLS FOR IT.

UM, AND IN THIS CASE, SINCE, UM, I INTERPRET MR. YOUNG'S, UH, REQUEST TO HAVE BECOME, UM, INVOLUNTARY WHEN HE BECAME AWARE OF MORE INFORMATION, THEN AS A COMMISSIONER, IF I WERE TO HAVE, UM, A VOTE IN THAT, I WOULD SAY THAT MR. YOUNG DESERVES, UH, IF WE'RE GONNA REWIND AND DO OVER, IS THAT HE DESERVES TO BE WHOLE FROM THE TIME HE BECAME A ONE AND STARTED GETTING A ONE PAY.

UM, I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY, UM, BECAUSE I DID, I DID AGREE THAT, UM, THE INADEQUATE INFORMATION THAT WAS PRESENTED WAS THAT IT WAS INCOMPLETE.

NOT THAT IT WAS INCORRECT.

AND WHEN I SAY IT'S INCOMPLETE, THAT IS IN REFERENCE TO THE FACT THAT HE DID NOT ASK FOR OR RECEIVE INFORMATION ABOUT THE THREE VACANCIES ACROSS THE ENTIRE DEPARTMENT.

UM, AND AS A MATTER OF PRACTICE, IF HE WAS APPROACHING THE MAINTENANCE OPERATIONS BUREAU FOR AN ADJUSTMENT IN HIS POSITION, HE, HE, HE WOULDN'T BE IN A POSITION TO BE ADV AND NEITHER WOULD THEY BE IN A POSITION TO ADVISE ON THE VACANCIES IN, YOU KNOW, BEACH MAINTENANCE.

OR IN MARINE MAINTENANCE.

UM, MOB WAS THE ONLY, ONLY ENTITY THAT HE APPROACHED.

MY OFFICE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ENGAGED BECAUSE WE WOULD'VE BEEN IN A POSITION TO ADVISE, YOU KNOW, WHAT ELSE WAS AVAILABLE.

AND SO HE WAS GIVEN THE SOLUTIONS AVAILABLE TO MOB AT THE TIME, AND AT THE TIME THERE WERE NO THREE VACANCIES AVAILABLE AT THE TIME THAT HE REVERTED BACK TO THE ONE.

UM, IF HE WAS, IF HE WAS INTERESTED IN GETTING INFORMATION ABOUT ALL THE VACANCIES ACROSS THE DEPARTMENT, UH, THAT'S THE TIME THAT

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BUT, YOU KNOW, HE, HE, HE ASKED AND WAS ANSWERED BY WHO HE APPROACHED.

WE, WE REALIZED THERE WAS A CALAMITY HERE.

AND THERE IS NO BLAME ON THE DEPARTMENT, NO BLAME ON MR. YOUNG.

AND THIS IS JUST COMMUNICATION, CERTAINLY.

AND, UH, WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN IT GOES AWRY.

NONE OF US ARE PERFECT.

UH, SO WHEN, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS, PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NOT ABOUT US CASTING ASPERSIONS AGAINST THE DEPARTMENT OR ANY OF YOUR STAFF.

NOT AT ALL.

UH, OUR ONLY GOAL IS TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT, UM, THAT MR. YOUNG RECEIVES EQUITY, THAT THAT'S IT.

THAT HE, HE GETS WHAT HE'S ENTITLED TO.

UM, I, I BELIEVE THAT GARY CAME UP WITH A EXCELLENT WAY TO, UM, UH, FIX THIS.

UH, BUT IT ALSO SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT YOU'VE PUT INTO PLAY, UH, WITH GIVING HIM THE ABILITY TO INTERVIEW LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.

I THINK THAT'S SPLENDID OF YOUR DEPARTMENT.

UM, UH, YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO DO THAT.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT.

IF YOUR DEPARTMENT WANTS TO CONSIDER, UM, SPEAKING WITH MR. YOUNG TO RETURN, UH, TO THE NIGHT SHIFT WITH THE GRADE THREE, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.

I LIKE THE IDEA OF MAKING HIM WHOLE AGAIN, THAT'S AT THE DEPARTMENT LEVEL, BUT I, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO KNOW MS. BENDER THAT, UH, THIS IS PUT TO REST, UH, WITH THE EMPLOYEE AS OUR FOCUS.

BECAUSE THE EMPLOYER HAS EVERYTHING.

RIGHT? RIGHT.

THE EMPLOYER HAS EVERYTHING.

IT'S THE EMPLOYEE THAT LACKS.

AND SO WHEN WE GO TO HELP SOMEONE OR TO PUT THEM BACK OR, OR TO MAKE, CERTAINLY IF THERE'S NO HARM, THE EMPLOYER IS ALWAYS REQUIRED TO TAKE THE HIGHER STEP BECAUSE WE HAVE THE POWER.

WE HAVE ALL THE POWER, RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT.

ALRIGHT.

IS THERE ANY NO, JUST TO BE COMPLETELY REDUNDANT, UH, TO MAKE SURE I HEARD CORRECTLY IS, UM, SO GARY'S RECOMMENDATION IS ESSENTIALLY TO REWIND AND START OVER.

UM, I BELIEVE YOU SAID THERE'S, THERE'S, UH, THERE'S NO OBJECTION FROM THE DEPARTMENT OR WHAT, WHAT WERE YOUR WORDS? I'M SORRY.

I DON'T WANNA MIS MISSPEAK.

IF, IF THE, IF THE PROPOSITION ON THE TABLE IS TO RETURN MR. YOUNG TO A MAINTENANCE ASSISTANT GRADE LEVEL THREE ON THE NIGHT SHIFT, THEN THE DEPARTMENT HAS NO OBJECTION TO THAT.

AND, AND AS MADAM PRESIDENT SAID, NIGHT OR DAY, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT FOR US TO DECIDE, THAT'S FOR THE DEPARTMENT TO DECIDE.

UH, BUT CERTAINLY, UM, THE LEVEL THREE IS, IS WHAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN.

SO, AND THERE'S, THERE'S NO OBJECTION TO THAT, IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY.

THAT IS CORRECT.

VERY GOOD.

AND, UH, MR. YOUNG HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO INTERVIEW FOR A DIFFERENT, UH, THREE POSITION ALSO.

CORRECT.

AGAIN, DAY OR NIGHT.

AND WHAT, WHERE , THAT'S NEITHER HERE NOR THERE, BUT HE DOES HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT.

AND, UM, UH, I BELIEVE YOU MENTIONED IT'S, IT'S NOT YOUR DECISION TO MAKE, UH, UH, BUT THE RECOMMENDATION FROM AT LEAST MEN PRESIDENT MYSELF, WOULD BE TO, UH, MAKE MR. YOUNG WHOLE FROM THE TIME THAT HE SPENT AS A ONE.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD TALK TO THE DEPARTMENT ABOUT? I WILL COMMUNICATE THAT WITH MY LEADERSHIP, ABSOLUTELY.

AND SO THAT'S, WE'RE GOOD, EXCEPT FOR ONE THING.

YEAH.

UM, AND THIS GOES TO, UH, MR. YOUNG, MR. YOUNG ASKED, AND WE WANNA MAKE CERTAIN THAT WE KEEP THAT ON THE RECORD.

HE DID ASK TO GO TO DAY SHIFT IF, UH, HE DOES NOT WANT TO RETURN TO THE NIGHT SHIFT.

OUR JOB HERE IS, IS IS COMPLETE, UM, THAT IS BETWEEN YOU AND MR. YOUNG.

SO I, I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT CLEAR.

WHATEVER YOU ALL DECIDE, UH, IT IS BETWEEN YOU AND THE DEPARTMENT AND THE COMMISSION.

IT'S NO LONGER, UH, A PARTY TO WHAT GOES ON AFTER HERE.

OUR INTENT IS ONLY TO GO BACK TO THE THREE, BY THE WAY THAT THE DEPARTMENT SEEMS FIT.

AM I MAKING MYSELF CLEAR? YES, INDEED.

I JUST WANNA MAKE CERTAIN THAT WE'RE NOT SAYING MR. YOUNG HAS TO ACCEPT ANYTHING THAT IS BETWEEN MR. YOUNG AND THE DEPARTMENT.

WE'RE ONLY TRYING TO FRAME IT SO THAT THERE IS FAIRNESS AND EQUITY.

AND I, I THINK THAT, UH, GARY'S SUGGESTION ACTUALLY WAS, WAS PERFECT.

UM, AND THEN THERE ARE OTHER THINGS HAPPENING, I GUESS TOMORROW THERE, OR IN A COUPLE DAYS, THERE ARE INTERVIEWS.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE MOVING HERE, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, I, I'M TAKING YOU AND I BELIEVE THAT YOU WILL MAKE CERTAIN THAT IT'S DECENT AND IN ORDER.

I WILL.

AND I APPRECIATE YOU FOR THAT.

AND I APPRECIATE THE SUPERVISOR BEING HERE.

THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT, OH, DID YOU WANNA SPEAK SARAH? BECAUSE CERTAINLY IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD, I'M ALWAYS OPEN TO HEAR.

AND I WANNA KNOW IF MR. YOUNG HAS ANY CODE, CONCERN, OR QUESTIONS STILL? UM, IS MR. YOUNG IN THE AUDIENCE? YES.

OH, OKAY.

OH, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOTTA DO BETTER WITH THESE GLASSES.

I CAN'T SEE ANYTHING.

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I HAVE A SINUS INFECTION.

STAY OVER THERE THEN.

ABSOLUTELY.

I AGREE.

UM, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT I CAME INTO THIS PROCESS A LITTLE AFTER THE INITIAL CONVERSATIONS WERE MADE.

MY INTENT WAS TO ONLY HELP GERALD.

I KNOW MAYBE NOT ALL THE INFORMATION COULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN TO HIM ABOUT OTHER DEPARTMENTS, BUT I HAVE NO ILL INTENT TOWARDS GERALD.

SO IF HE, YOU KNOW, THE RECOMMENDATION TO BRING HIM HIM BACK TO NIGHTS AS A THREE, I, I FEEL HAPPY OR GLAD THAT THAT POSSIBLY COULD HAPPEN.

SO, UNLESS YOU GUYS HAVE QUESTIONS, I BELIEVE THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

NO.

UM, BUT I, I DO WANT TO STATE, UM, IT'S VERY, AND I, I WANT, AND MS. BENDER, I'M SAYING THIS FOR, FOR THE DEPARTMENT, IT IS VERY HARD FOR AN EMPLOYEE TO COMPLAIN.

AND ONE OF THE FEARS IS THAT IF I COMPLAIN, NOBODY WILL EVER HIRE ME.

I'LL NEVER GET A, AN UPGRADE OR I'LL NEVER BE CONSIDERED BECAUSE I DARED TO STATE MY CASE OR TO COMPLAIN.

AND, UM, I WANT MR. YOUNG TO BE ASSURED, UM, THAT THIS IS A DEMOCRACY AND WE'RE SUPPOSED TO SPEAK UP WHEN WE THINK SOMETHING IS WRONG.

NOT, WE'RE ACTUALLY NOT JUST SUPPOSED TO SPEAK UP FOR OURSELVES.

IN MY OPINION, IT'S REQUIRED FOR US TO SPEAK UP FOR ANYONE, UH, WHEN THERE IS SOMETHING THAT THEY BELIEVE THAT'S UNJUST.

SO I, I DO WANT TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT I PUT THAT OUT THERE.

EMPLOYEES ARE FEARFUL SURE.

TO SPEAK UP.

AND SO I WANT MR. YOUNG TO RECEIVE ALL THE LOVE AND SUPPORT FROM THE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE HE WAS VERY BRAVE TO DO THIS.

AND DON'T THINK THAT IT'S NOT IN THE BACK OF HIS MIND THAT THIS HAS BEEN TO HIS DETRIMENT.

IT IS.

AND SO I WANT US TO PROVE THAT WE EXPECT YOU TO SPEAK UP AND SPEAK OUT WHEN YOU THINK SOMETHING IS NOT RIGHT, WHETHER IT'S FOR YOU OR FOR SOMEONE ELSE.

SO I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.

HE SHOULD BE APPLAUDED FOR COMING FORTH AND WE DON'T WANNA LOOK AT 'EM WITH A STINK EYE FOR AIRING OUR LAUNDRY BECAUSE THAT THIS IS A DEMOCRACY AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.

AGREE.

ARE WE GOOD WITH THAT? I AGREE.

ALRIGHT, MR. YOUNG, DO YOU NEED TO BE HURT, SIR? UH, I APPRECIATE IT.

THAT THIS GENTLEMAN WENT TO DAYS AND IT WASN'T AS A ONE, IT'S NO PAPERWORK.

AND I APOLOGIZE, SIR.

I DIDN'T KNOW YOU WERE IN THE AUDIENCE, MIKE.

NO WORRIES.

GOOD MORNING.

AWFUL WITH THESE GLASSES TODAY.

UH, MR. ANDERSON.

GOOD MORNING.

SO, UH, I UNDERSTAND MR. ANDERSON, HE NEEDED A LITTLE MORE CLARIFICATION ON THINGS, BUT I DID A LITTLE RESEARCH AND AS I TOLD THE PANEL BEFORE, UH, JUNE 13TH, I, I WENT BACK DAYS FROM NIGHTS.

AND, UH, I WAS APPROACHED BY THE BUREAU MANAGER AND SEVERAL SUPERVISORS WHO I FEEL LIKE THEY'RE SCARED TO COME HERE.

MY OPINION, THEY'VE BEEN OFFERED TO COME TWICE TO TELL THEIR SIDE THAT MR. ANDERSON WOULD PROBABLY GET A LITTLE CLARITY.

BUT ANYWAY, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AND SEE WHY DID MR. YOUNG GO TO DAY SHIFT FOR SEVERAL DAYS AND THEN GO BACK TO NIGHTS? THE REASON IS, AS I SAID, I WAS APPROACHED THAT IF I GO BACK TO DAYS, IT'S GONNA BE NON-CAREER.

NOT A ONE, NOT A TWO, NOT A THREE NON-CAREER.

SO TO TAKE MY BENEFITS FROM ME, OF COURSE I'M GONNA GO BACK TO NIGHTS.

I WENT BACK TO NIGHTS AFTER THESE THREE DAYS, THEN I WAS APPROACHED.

I WILL THROW YOU A BONE.

YOU CAN BE A ONE SIGN HERE.

SO THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT, I'M GLAD WE GOT A LITTLE MORE INTO THIS, INTO THIS FORUM, BECAUSE IT'S NOT GONNA BE SETTLED HERE.

IF I GO BACK TO NIGHTS, YOU KNOW WHAT? I TOOK A DEEP BREATH.

I APPRECIATE THE PANEL.

I'LL GO BACK TO KNIGHTS.

I, I'LL INTERVIEW.

I DIDN'T SIGN.

I WANTED, I THOUGHT MR. ATTORNEY, HE'S A NICE GENTLEMAN TO ME THAT HE WOULD CLARIFY THAT I DIDN'T SIGN UP FOR THE INTERVIEW.

I WILL AFTER THE MEETING.

PLEASE DO, SIR.

I'LL, I'LL DO SO I NEED YOU TO DO THAT, SIR.

AND, BUT AT THE, AT THE END OF THE DAY, UH, I'M, I'M LOOKING FOR SOMETHING OF TO MAKE ME RIGHT, WHICH MEANS I'VE LOST A LOT OF TIME DOING THIS PROCESS THAT I WOULD'VE BEEN AT THE BEACH BY NOW.

I'D HAVE BEEN A THREE APPLYING.

I WOULD'VE WENT FROM KNIGHTS TO THE BEACH WHEREVER I WANTED TO GO.

AND I'D HAVE BEEN FINE, BUT BECAUSE I GOT STEERED IN THE DIRECTION OF YOU'RE GONNA BE NON-CAREER OR GET YOUR BUTT BACK TO KNIGHTS, SOMETHING, MR. ANDERSON CAN CLEARLY SEE SOMETHING HERE DOESN'T FIT.

WHY DID THIS GENTLEMAN GO BACK TO DAYS? WHERE'S THE PAPERWORK THAT HE WENT BACK TO DAYS FOR THREE DAYS? THERE'S, THERE'S SOMETHING THERE.

THERE'S SOMETHING.

BUT GUESS WHAT? I'LL HANDLE IT IN A DIFFERENT FORUM.

BUT I WANTED HIM TO HEAR IT FROM ME TODAY.

SO MAYBE HE'LL TAKE THE TIME TO LOOK INTO THAT AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT? GET IT TOGETHER OVER THERE.

'CAUSE SOMETHING, SOMETHING IS NOT FITTING

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HE WENT UNPROCESSED, BUT HE WENT AND THEN WENT RIGHT BACK TO NIGHTS.

WHY? BUT I, I, LIKE I SAID, I, I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS TIME.

AND, AND, AND THEY'LL LOOK INTO THIS BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE WATCHING THIS VIDEO.

THEY'LL LOOK INTO IT.

AND LIKE YOU SAID BEFORE, JUST THE PEOPLE THAT COME AFTER ME.

I'M, I'M, I'M AT AN AGE WHERE I'M CLOSER TOWARDS RETIREMENT.

SO GUESS WHAT? I DON'T FEEL THE, THE, THE STRESS THAT, OH, I'M GONNA LOSE A BIGGER DEAL.

BUT LIKE I SAID, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO ME TO HAVE A, HAVE MY MEDICAL.

IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO ME.

THE WHATEVER PENSION I DO HAVE, THAT I CAN LEAVE MY GRANDSON SOMETHING.

SO, YOU KNOW, BUT I APPRECIATE THE TIME AND IT'LL BE, UH, IT'LL GET BETTER FOR PEOPLE BEHIND ME.

THANK YOU, MR. YOUNG.

THANK YOU FOR BEING SO BRAVE.

I APPRECIATE YOU, SIR.

AND IT'S BEEN MY PLEASURE TO MAKE YOUR ACQUAINTANCE.

I APPRECIATE YOU.

YES, SIR.

THANK YOU, MR. YOUNG.

COMMISSION.

COULD I GO ON RECORD WITH SOMETHING? BECAUSE INTEGRITY IS EVERYTHING AND I WORK AND I STAND ON INTEGRITY.

AND MR. YOUNG, WHEN HE APPROACHED ME, FIRST APPROACHED ME AND I HEARD FROM MS. BENDER, AND SHE COULD BE MISTAKEN, BUT I CONFIRMED AT THE TIME THEY MOVED HIM TO GRADE ONE.

THERE WERE VACANCIES.

IN FACT, HE SHARED WITH ME COMMUNICATION.

HE APPLIED FOR A POSITION IN JULY.

HE WAS, UH, EFFECTIVE AS A GRADE ONE IN AUGUST.

SO HE APPLIED IN JULY AND HE DID NOT GET IT, A CALL FOR AN INTERVIEW.

AS OF, TO THIS DAY, HE STILL DID NOT GET CALLED FOR THAT INTERVIEW.

HE CONTACTED, UH, PARKS.

AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THAT GERALD, MR. YOUNG, THAT THERE WAS HIS COWORKERS BEING CALLED FOR AN INTERVIEW.

HE DID NOT, BUT YET HE PROCEEDS.

SO I WANNA JUST CLARIFY.

'CAUSE UH, IT'S, IT IS ABOUT INTEGRITY.

HE TOLD ME THE TRUTH, I VERIFIED IT.

AND YES, AT THE TIME HE WAS MOVED, THERE WERE GRADE THREE VACANCIES.

THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THAT ON THE RECORD.

WE'VE HEARD, UH, THE INFORMATION.

UM, I DO HAVE CLARITY.

UH, I NEVER LIKE TO LEAVE, UH, THIS ROOM WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON.

AND UNFORTUNATELY AT OUR LAST MEETING, I, I JUST FELT THAT I HAD NOT DONE, UH, MY BEST WORK.

AND SO THAT'S WHY I ASKED THIS ITEM TO BE CALLED BACK.

I KNOW THAT IT'S UNCOMFORTABLE, UH, BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMEONE, UH, SOMEONE'S LIVELIHOOD.

AND THAT SOMETIMES CAN BE VERY UNCOMFORTABLE.

ALRIGHT, THEN, UM, LET'S GO AHEAD AND, UH, APPROVE THIS MATTER AND MOVE ON.

SO, UH, AND JUST TO CLARIFY, I THINK THIS, IT'S ON THE AGENDA AS OF APPROVE THE RECOMMENDATION.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS.

MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE THIS IS A RECEIVING FILE FOR THE COMMISSION.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

IS THERE CLERK? IS THAT GOOD? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

WE CAN JUST RECEIVE A FILE AND NOT TAKE A VOTE.

VERY GOOD.

SO WE DON'T NEED TO CHANGE THIS, WE KNOW.

OH, OKAY.

WE'RE GOOD.

UH, WE'LL JUST RECEIVE A FILE.

I, I CLOSE THE VOTE OUT SOON.

YEAH, THANK YOU.

DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT.

APPRECIATE THAT.

OKAY, LET'S MOVE ON TO THE GARY, UH, REAL QUICK, JUST TO CONFIRM, DO WE NEED TO TAKE A VOTE TO RECEIVE AND FILE OR CAN WE JUST TAKE IT? YOU JUST TAKE IT.

WERE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THOSE MINUTES? EVERYBODY GOOD? OKAY.

ONTO OUR REGULAR AGENDA.

UH, THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR THE CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION MEETING OF NOVEMBER 20TH.

CAN I GET A MOTION AND A SECOND? I HAVE IT.

CAN I GET A VOTE?

[3. 24-55802 Recommendation to approve the minutes for the Civil Service Commission Meeting of November 20, 2024. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]

MOTION CARRIES.

WE'RE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION ON ANY NON AGENDA ITEMS. NOBODY WANTS TO TALK TO US.