* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] WE'RE GOOD NEXT. YEAH. RESOLUTION. YEAH. ALRIGHT, WELL, SO WE'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER AT 2:03 PM UM, AND DO ROLL CALL PLEASE. UH, JULIE LEE. HERE. SARAH BETTY? HERE. PAM TI? HERE. KIMBERLY LEWIS. ABSENT. DOUG KILLIAN HERE. WE HAVE QUORUM. SO IS KIMBERLY ON ? UH, WE WERE GONNA SEE IF WE CAN CONFIRM THAT. I KNOW SHE HAD MENTIONED THAT SHE MIGHT NOT WANT IT. MIGHT, MIGHT NOT WANNA BE ON THIS COMMITTEE, BUT SHE WAS AT THE LAST MEETING. SO WE'LL SEND AN EMAIL OUT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. AND SO TO START OFF WITH OUR FIRST, UH, AGENDA ITEM. THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR THE POLICY SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING OF MONDAY, NOVEMBER 18TH, 2024. SO ANYONE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE MINUTES? MOVE TO APPROVE. SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WISH TO COMMENT? UH, WONDERFUL JOB. GOOD. . THANK YOU. PLEASE LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT. , YOU DID A WONDERFUL JOB. I FOUND THEM. I'M SO HAPPY. . UM, SECOND ITEM ON OUR AGENDA. RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE A DISCUSSION ON THE CLEAN SWEEPS PUBLIC WORKS TRANSFER COST OPPORTUNITY, UH, WITH HOMELESS SERVICES STAFF THERE IN MOTION. SO MOVED SECOND. ALRIGHT. AND SO WE DO, WE DO DISCUSSION BEFORE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC? YES. YES. OKAY. SO DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM. UM, THE, THIS JUST TO, TO SET THE, THE STAGE. THIS IS A CONTINUING DISCUSSION THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING ABOUT THE CLEAN SWEEPS AND LAST TIME WE HAD ASKED IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THE, THE COST OF EACH OF THOSE, UH, CLEAN SWEEPS. BECAUSE THE INTEREST OF THIS GROUP IS TO SEE, YOU KNOW, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAVE MONEY BY DOING LESS CLEAN SWEEPS AND MAYBE DO MORE PREVENTATIVE OR HYGIENE MEASURES FOR THOSE LIVING IN ENCAMPMENTS SUCH AS PROVIDING TRASH RECEPTACLES OR SHOWERS OR, OR STORAGE OR, YOU KNOW, SOME COMBINATION THEREOF. UM, SO I'M WONDERING ARE THERE ANY UPDATES ON THE, THE COST OF THOSE CLEAN SPACE? UM, THERE'S NO UPDATES YET. PAUL IS WORKING ON THAT AND ONCE WE HAVE, HOPEFULLY BY NEXT MEETING WE HAVE SOME UPDATES FOR YOU GUYS. OKAY, THAT SOUNDS GOOD. UM, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THAT TOPIC? I DO HAVE ON THAT AND IT'S JUST KIND OF A WILD IDEA, BUT I DON'T KNOW I A LOT SO IT'S LIKE, I ALWAYS FEEL LIKE THIS IS TIGHT, EVERYTHING LIKE OVERLAPS AND THIS ONE KIND OF OVERLAPS WITH LIKE ENVIRONMENTAL, RIGHT? LIKE ENVIRONMENTAL TRASH, SANITARY CEMETERY. SO I'M THINKING LIKE, IS THERE A WAY WE COULD, UM, TIE US INTO SOME KIND OF, YOU KNOW, LIKE I'M THINKING OF WE'RE LIKE LEADING, LIKE I FEEL LIKE OUR CITY IS HEADING DOWN LIKE A LOT OF TOURISM. LIKE WE'RE PICKING UP, WE'RE GONNA GET LIKE AN AMPHITHEATER SOON OR AMERICAN MUSIC, MORE MUSIC EVENTS AND I KNOW THEY HAVE LIKE AN ENVIRONMENTAL CLEANUP. IS THERE A WAY THAT WE COULD LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, TIE THAT INTO SOME KIND OF LIKE, IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A BIG EVENT HERE AND IT'S UNDER THE ENVIRONMENTAL CLEANUP AND THAT GOES TO THE HOMELESSNESS ENVIRONMENTAL CLEANUP. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT OVERLAPS, BUT I FEEL LIKE IT'S IN THERE SOMEWHERE. ALMOST LIKE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GET, MAYBE LIKE YOU GET LIKE A DISCOUNT ON YOUR PERMITS OR IT'S JUST PART OF HAVING A BIG EVENT IN THE CITY OF LONG BEACH AND YOUR, YOU ARE HELPING US KEEP OUR CITY CLEAN 'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA COME AND DO YOUR EVENT. YOU CLEAN UP YOUR STUFF, BUT YOU HELP US MAINTAIN TOO. AND THAT GOES INTO LIKE THAT BUCKET, WHICH WOULD HAVE LIKE CLEANUPS TOO AND PREVENTATIVE AND SANITATION. LIKE MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S LIKE ANOTHER WAY OF FUNDING CLARIFICATION. IS THAT LIKE A, 'CAUSE FOR A SECOND, IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE ASKING FOR THERE TO BE A CLEANUP, BUT THEN IT ALSO SOUNDS LIKE A POSSIBLE TAX. IS THAT NOT LIKE A TAX, ALMOST LIKE A, I FEEL LIKE THEY ALREADY HAVE LIKE IN SPECIAL EVENTS, LIKE YOU ALREADY HAVE TO DO SOME KIND OF LIKE WASTE MANAGEMENT FOR LIKE ENVIRONMENTAL, LIKE YOU HAVE TO CLEAN YOUR MESS THAT YOU MAKE FOR WITH YOUR EVENT. AND I'M JUST THINKING OF LIKE, IT'S TIED TO LIKE SOME KIND OF ENVIRONMENTAL LIKE SANITATION, BUT THAT'S KIND OF LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, SOME FUNDS FROM THAT GOES INTO HOMELESSNESS. SO YEAH. SO THE PERMIT FEES WOULD THEN GO TO YEAH. SHOULD, YOU'RE SAYING THERE SHOULD BE A SEPARATE BUCKET FOR HOMELESSNESS CLEANUPS? YES. OKAY. 'CAUSE IT'S LIKE TIED, I'M JUST THINKING IN MY HEAD IT'S LIKE OVERLAP AND IT'S [00:05:01] TIED TO, IT'S JUST LIKE ANOTHER REVENUE STREAM, A STREAM LIKE TO GET FUNDING IF THERE IS LIKE A FUNDING ISSUE FOR ANY OF THAT AND THAT. OKAY. ANY, THERE'S, UM, THERE'S ALSO THE OFFICE OF SUSTAINABILITY IN THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND I DID SORT OF PLUG IN THEIR HEAD ABOUT HOMELESSNESS BEING UNSUSTAINABLE, SUSTAINABLE. IT DOESN'T, IT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH, WITH THE IDEA OF HAVING A GENTLER FOOTPRINT, UM, IN HOWEVER WE, YOU KNOW, WE MOVE FORWARD. SO I THINK THERE'S ALSO A SUSTAINABILITY, UM, COMPONENT THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO TIE SORT OF GOING, YOU KNOW, WITH WHAT YOU SAID AND, UM, WORKING THE SWEEPS INTO THE CITY'S OVERALL SUSTAINABILITY EFFORT. RIGHT. 'CAUSE MY POINT WAS THAT HOMELESSNESS IS VERY HARSH ON WE LEARNED OVERALL. OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ON THIS? ALRIGHT, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE SHOULD FIGURE OUT WHAT THE COST IS OF THE CLEAN SWEEP AND THEN LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, ARE THERE WAYS TO DO THIS IN BOTH A MORE HUMANE WAY, A COST EFFECTIVE WAY IN AN ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY WAY? ALRIGHT. ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? I DO HAVE A QUESTION. I KNOW THAT THE HOMELESS, UM, AT THE NOVEMBER A YEAR AGO MEETING OR YEAH, A YEAR AGO, THEY SAID THE HOMELESS HAS THEIR BELONGINGS PUT INTO STORAGE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME AND THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PULL, PICK IT UP. IS THAT, ARE YOU SAYING, ARE YOU SHAKING YOUR HEAD? THAT'S NO LONGER THE POSSIBLE I AM NOT AWARE OF A STORAGE PROGRAM FOR YOU. SO IN IN WHAT CIRCUMSTANCE? YOU MEAN DURING A CLEAN SWEEP? YES, AND A CLEAN SWEEP. THEY GET NOTIFIED WITH A, A WARNING THAT THIS IS GONNA BE CLEANED AND THEN THEY'RE SUPPOSEDLY, THEY'RE SUPPOSED, AT LEAST PAUL DUNCAN, I BELIEVE HE SAID THEY'RE, THEY'RE TOLD ON THE FLYER WHERE THEIR BELONGINGS WILL BE AND THEY HAVE 30 DAYS TO PICK THEIR BELONGINGS. BUT I ALSO HAVE WITNESSED PERSONALLY THAT THEIR STUFF GOES INTO DUMPSTER AND GETS HAULED AWAY. SO THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT NARRATIVES, ONES TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND ONES ME WITNESSING WHAT HAPPENS. BUT I WAS JUST CURIOUS, THE NARRATIVE FROM THE CITY COUNCIL, IS THAT ACTUALLY AVAILABLE OR ARE WE DECIDING IT'S NOT AVAILABLE? ARE, ARE THE TWO OF YOU AWARE IF ONE PEOPLE ARE NOTIFIED OF THE CLEAN SWEEPS? IF THERE'S INFORMATION ABOUT STORAGE OR, I THOUGHT I HEARD. I DON'T, I THOUGHT I HEARD IT IS. THERE IS, BUT BUT NOBODY REQUESTS IT. PEOPLE JUST GATHER THEIR THINGS AND MOVE ON AND LEAVE CERTAIN THINGS. OKAY. AND THEN AS WE'VE, SOME OF US HAVE NOTED, THEY TEND TO COME BACK SO THERE'S CAN BE REPEAT. SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT I KIND OF REMEMBER HEARING. AND MAYBE THAT WAS WITH WHEN I HAD MY TOUR, UM, AROUND THE STORAGE, YOU KNOW, THE DEMAND FOR STORAGE. IT WOULD SEEM TO BE GREAT, BUT IT, IT MAY NOT BE AS MUCH BECAUSE PEOPLE JUST CART IT AROUND. YEAH, I I'M NOT AWARE IF THEY'RE GIVEN THAT OPTION OR NOT. I DON'T YEAH, WE COULD FOLLOW UP TOO MUCH. YEAH. AND THAT'S SPECIFICALLY THE REASON I'M ASKING IS THAT I WANTED TO KNOW IF THAT'S PART OF THE COST OR NOT MM-HMM . OR, AND IF THE NARRATIVE WOULD HAVE CHANGED SINCE LAST NOVEMBER. . WELL, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S, THAT HAS, THAT'S A REQUIREMENT. YOU HELP ME OUT ON THIS. OKAY. IF YOU MOVE SOMEBODY, THEY'RE THEIR ENCAMPMENT, THEY'RE CAMPING, THEY'RE STAYING EVER, THAT DOESN'T, THIS DOESN'T STORAGE HAVE TO BE MADE AVAILABLE IF REQUESTED. I DON'T THINK SO. BUT THAT'S A QUESTION WE CAN ASK IN OUR NEXT CASE. OKAY. YEAH, GOOD POINTS. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. I I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, I JUST REMEMBER LIKE WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT AND IT'S LIKE AN ENVIRONMENTAL PLEDGE, LIKE TACKED ONTO LIKE SPECIAL EVENTS. THAT'S A, THE WORDING LANGUAGE I WAS THINKING OF IN PSYCHOLOGY AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN MAYBE LOOK INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR WHAT DID THEY DO? UM, ALRIGHT, WELL THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. UM, SO I THINK, SO WE HAD THE MOTION, WE HAD THE DISCUSSION DID ALL IN FAVOR NOW TO ACCEPT THE MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE THIS DISCUSSION. AYE AYE. AYE. THANKS. UH, [00:10:01] SO THE NEXT ITEM FOR US TO DISCUSS IS A RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE A DISCUSSION ON POTENTIAL VISIT TO 1955 LONG BEACH BOULEVARD. TAKING FURTHER INSIGHT INTO THE SERVICES OFFERED AT MH ALA'S INTEGRATED SERVICE CENTER. IS THERE A MOTION? SO MOVED FOR A SECOND. SECOND. UM, OKAY, FOR, FOR DISCUSSION. I HAVE AN UPDATE AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS, UM, PAUL DUN DID PUT ME IN TOUCH WITH LUTHER FROM M-H-A-L-A AND I INVITED PAM, BUT A LITTLE BIT LATE, UH, TO ALSO GO ON THAT TOUR. SO SHE AND I JUST HAD A DISCUSSION, UM, KIND OF THERE WHEN WE, WHEN WE MET AT M-H-A-L-A. UM, BUT I, I WENT ON THE TOUR THERE AND WHAT I LEARNED OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD FROM THE AUDIT REPORT ARE THAT, UM, WELL SOME, I GUESS BREAKING NEWS THAT THE, THE BATHROOMS AND THE SHOWERS THAT THEY HAVE BUILT, THEY HAVE JUST SIGNED A CONTRACT WITH THE VA AND THOSE BATHROOMS AND SHOWERS WILL BE UTILIZED BY VETERANS. AND SO THAT WILL BE KIND OF THEIR NEW PROGRAM THERE GOING FORWARD THAT WOULD ALLOW, THEY'RE PLANNING ON SHOWER AND BATHROOM ACCESS DURING KIND OF NINE TO FIVE REGULAR DAILY HOURS FOR THAT. UM, THEY ALSO HAD TCC, WHICH WAS I THINK THE, THE CLINIC PROVIDER AND THE CLINIC SPACE THERE. THEY RECENTLY MOVED OUT BECAUSE, UM, I DON'T THINK THEY WERE PROVIDING SERVICES IN KIND OF THE NINE TO FIVE FASHION THAT HAD ORIGINALLY BEEN PLANNED DAILY AT THAT SITE. SO THEY OPTED TO MOVE OUT. UM, AND WHILE THE CLINIC IS CURRENTLY EMPTY, M-H-A-L-A SAID THAT THEIR PLAN IS TO OPEN THEIR OWN WELLNESS CENTER IN THE CLINIC. UM, SO THAT WOULD BE ONLY TO MH THAT WOULD ONLY BE AVAILABLE TO MHA LA MEMBERS WHO DO NEED, UM, KIND OF A, A DISABILITY DIAGNOSIS RELATED TO MENTAL HEALTH. SO THAT'S WHAT THEY'LL BE PROVIDING THERE. UM, AND THEY ARE OPERATING THEIR KIND OF COOKIE OPERATION WHERE THEY SHIP OUT COOKIES. UM, BUT THE CAFE SPACE IS ALSO EMPTY AT THIS TIME. UM, AND THAT HAD PLANNED TO BE KIND OF A, A COMMUNITY CAFE SPACE, BUT THEY SAID, UM, THAT IT DIDN'T WORK OUT WITH THE SUBCONTRACTOR THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BE OFFERING THE CASE TO. AND THEY CAN'T CURRENTLY, UM, HAVE PEOPLE COMING INTO THAT SPACE AND EATING COOKIES THAT THEY MAKE, UM, BECAUSE IT, IT'S A CODE VIOLATION BECAUSE OF THE CEILING. SO, UM, BASICALLY THE UPDATE IS THAT THE CAFE SPACE IS CURRENTLY UNUSED, UM, THAT THEY'RE PLANNING ON OPENING THEIR OWN WELLNESS CENTER IN THE, THE HEALTH CLINIC AND THAT THEY HAVE SIGNED A CONTRACT, UH, WITH THE VA TO HAVE THOSE SHOWERS AND BATHROOMS USED BY VETERANS. UM, AND I ASKED IF, YOU KNOW, IF THE CITY STAFF OR MSC ENCOUNTER VETERANS WHO ARE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS, CAN THEY REFER 'EM TO THAT SITE TO USE THE SHOWERS AND BATHROOMS? AND THEY SAID YES, AS LONG AS THEY'RE VETERANS, BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE THE FUNDING WILL BE COMING FROM FOR THAT PROGRAM. SO I ALSO ASKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE ORIGINAL TALKS OF HAVING THAT BE A DROP-IN FACILITY THAT OFFERED THE SHOWERS AND BATHROOMS AND THEY SAID, UM, THAT THE CONTRACT THAT THEY WOULD'VE BEEN ABLE TO GET WITH THE CITY WOULD NOT HAVE COVERED THEIR COSTS. SO THEY OPTED FOR A DIFFERENT TYPE OF CONTRACT WITH THE CITY THAT'S FOCUSED ON OUTREACH INSTEAD OF OFFERING THE DROP-IN CENTER. SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE INFORMATION THAT I RECEIVED. I THEY WERE NOT ACTUALLY THERE THAT DAY OTHER THAN LUTHER BECAUSE IT HAD BEEN THEIR HOLIDAY PARTY. SO THEY SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WELCOME TO COME BACK FOR A TOUR, UM, IN JANUARY TO SEE HOW THE PROGRAMS IN ACTION WHEN PEOPLE ARE WORKING THERE. SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY RECORDER. UM, JULIA. OKAY. I MEAN, I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST VETERANS, BUT THEY'RE A PRETTY SMALL PIECE OF THE PIE OF OUR, UM, ALMOST POPULATION. UM, WHEN YOU SAY THAT THE, UM, VA WILL HAVE THE CONTRACT FOR THE SHOWERS AND THE RESTROOMS AND I I ASSUME ALSO THE LAUNDRY FACILITY AND THE MAIL ROOM, THEN IS IT, IS IT REALLY GOING TO BE JUST FOR VA PATIENTS? THAT'S WHAT I MEAN, THEY HAVE PLANNED BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE FUNDING WILL BE COMING FROM. SO I'M NOT SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF MYSELF, I'M CLEARLY JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEIR PLAN IS, BUT YEAH, BECAUSE I WAS WONDERING IF, IF WE COULD EXPAND THE FUNDING OR IF WE COULD MAKE FUNDING AVAILABLE AND HAVE IT FUNCTION AS IT WAS INTENDED, WHICH WAS A DROP-IN CENTER FOR ANYBODY WHO NEEDS THE SHOWERS, RESTROOMS, UM, LAUNDRY FACILITIES AND MAIL SERVICE. UM, I MEAN THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE WAY THE THE FACILITY IS DESIGNED IS TO HAVE A DROP OR 3,376 [00:15:02] ALMOST HOW MANY VETERANS ARE THERE? I DON'T, OR VA I MEAN I WOULD SAY THE VA UM, PATIENT IS, IS RATHER WHAT STATED TO ME IS THE CONTRACT THAT THEY COULD GET FROM THE CITY TO DO A DROP IN CENTER WOULD NOT COVER THEIR COST. THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE DOING INITIALLY. I, THIS IS THEIR STATEMENT. IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, UM, THAT IT WOULD NOT COVER THEIR COST. THEY ORIGINALLY WERE PROVIDING THAT SERVICE, UM, AND THEN DURING THE PANDEMIC THEY PUT THEIR MONEY IN OTHER DIRECTIONS BECAUSE THEY, BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC, THEY HAD TO PIVOT AND THEY REALIZED THEY COULD PROVIDE GREATER SERVICES USING THE MONEY IN OTHER WAYS. SO THAT, THAT WAS KIND OF WHAT THEY SAID ABOUT THEIR ANALYSIS OF THE SITUATION. I MEAN, CONSIDERING THAT THE FACILITIES WERE COMPLETED AT THE END OF 2019 AND HERE WE ARE, UM, AT THE END OF 2024 AND NOTHING, NO SERVICES HAVE BEEN PROVIDED OUT OF THOSE FACILITIES. I MEAN I I I DON'T REALLY BELIEVE THEM , I FEEL LIKE THE SERVICES ARE, YOU KNOW, LIKE, I DON'T KNOW IN THEIR NETWORK, LIKE, YOU KNOW, FOR PEOPLE THAT HAVE ALREADY SIGNED UP WITH H LA THAT'S WHAT I FEEL LIKE I KNOW, BUT THAT THE DROP-IN CENTER WASN'T DESIGNED IN THAT WAY. YEAH, I MEAN IF, IF YOU TAKE OUR MODEL OF THE SHOWER PROGRAM ON SATURDAYS AND, AND YOU COME AND YOU JUST SEE THE, THE GREAT NEED OF OF SANITATION FACILITIES AND A SHOWER, I MEAN, FOR SOME PEOPLE THAT IS THE ONE SHOWER THAT THEY GET WHERE THEY KNOW THEY'LL GET FRESH CLOTHING AND THAT THEY'LL, THEY KNOW THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN REALLY GET A SHAVE. AND LAST WEEKEND WE HAD FOUR BARBERS GETTING HAIRCUTS. IT'S LIKE THIS HYGIENE THING IS SUCH A BASIC NEED GREAT FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO RUNNING WATER. AND THE FACT THAT A CITY OWNED BUILDING HAS THESE FACILITIES AND IT'S BEEN LOCKED UP BY A THIRD PARTY, I'M JUST AMAZED. I MEAN, I, I'M, I'M AMAZED, BUT YEAH, LET'S DO A, A TOUR IN JANUARY WHEN THINGS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE HUMMING. YEAH, I'M NOT SURE THEY'RE GONNA BE HUMMING IN JANUARY. I WAS ACTUALLY GONNA SAY, SHOULD WE DELAY THIS UNTIL WE REALLY THINK THEY ARE GONNA BE HUMMING? UH, THEY SEEM TO BE DELAYED GETTING OFF ON EVERYTHING AND, AND CHANGING, EVOLVING. AND THEN THIS RELATIONSHIP WITH THE VA IS BRAND NEW, SO IT MAY TAKE THREE OR SIX MONTHS TO GET THE WORD OUT TO THE VETS TO, TO SEE THIS AND USE IT. SO, YOU KNOW, WOULD IT BE OF MORE VALUE TO VISIT IT AT SOME POINT WHERE WE THINK THEY MIGHT REALLY KIND OF BE SOMEWHAT UP AT FULL SPEED? YEAH. AND THEN MY, MY THOUGHTS ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD STATED AS A PRIVATE ORGANIZATION, UM, YOU KNOW, THE FUNDING FROM A CITY CONTRACT TO DO A DROP IN CENTER WOULD NOT COVER OUR COSTS. SO I AM, I'M ALSO, YOU KNOW, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE THINKING ABOUT, WELL, YOU KNOW, IS IS THERE SOMEPLACE ELSE THAT THAT SORT OF CONTRACT WOULD WOULD WORK? WELL, SO HERE'S WHAT I'M THINKING, PUTTING IT TOGETHER. SO IF I THOUGHT THE SAME THING, THE VA MIGHT BE A SMALL SUBPOPULATION, SO WHAT IS THIS CONTRACT? IS IT ASSUMING THAT THERE'S GONNA BE ONE THAT DROP IN PER DAY OR IS IT A CONTRACT ASSUMING THAT IT'S GONNA BE A BUSY SERVICE? AND SO WHAT DID THE VA PAY FOR? WHAT ARE THEY GETTING? HOW MUCH DID THEY PAY? AND THEN IT MIGHT BE INTERESTING TO GO AT A POINT WHERE IT'S HAPPENING AND YOU COULD SORT OF ANSWER SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS ABOUT VOLUME AND AND HOW MUCH DID THEY PAY AND THAT, AND IF THE VA, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE THE VA PAID $10,000 FOR THIS AND UH, THEY'RE ONLY USING 10% OF IT AND COULD WE PAY 10,000 AND USE THE OTHER 90%? I DON'T KNOW. RIGHT NOW IT'S SORT OF SPECULATING AND IN MY MIND, SO I'M NOT SURE ABOUT GOING NEXT MONTH. I WOULD LIKE TO GO WHEN IT'S OPERATIONAL AND NOT JUST THE FIRST MONTH PERSONALLY. ALRIGHT. AND I THINK THERE MAY BE SOMETHING IN THERE. I MEAN, IF THE VA CAN DO IT AND THE VA'S ONLY GONNA HAVE A SMIDGEN OF THE POPULATION, THEN OKAY, THE VA'S ONLY USING 10%. WE HAVE 90% THAT WE COULD OFFER TO SOMEONE ELSE BECAUSE THEY RIGHT, BECAUSE LIKE, LIKE WHAT DOUG SAYING TOO, LIKE MM-HMM . WHAT IF IT'S ONLY, WE ONLY HAVE LIKE BUDGET LOAN. I'M JUST PUTTING THIS OUT THERE. WHAT IF THEY ONLY HAVE BUDGET TO OPERATE TWICE A WEEK, EIGHT HOURS A DAY OR SOMETHING? WHOEVER COMES IN THOSE DAYS AND THEY HAVE ALL THOSE OTHER DAYS. YEAH, THEY JUST CLOSED. RIGHT. HOW DO THEY YEAH. HOW IS IT SET UP? RIGHT? IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE A, I MEAN, HOW DO YOU STRUCTURE ONE WHERE YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GONNA COME AND IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE IT'S GONNA BE VERY BUSY. SO HOW DO YOU PAY FOR THAT ANYWAY? WE DON'T KNOW. WE'RE SPECULATING. RIGHT. AND THE FACT THAT THE VA IS ON THE [00:20:01] EAST SIDE YES. AND IS A FULL SERVICE CAMPUS. YES. ALRIGHT. ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS AND COMMENTS? I'M HEARING THE SUGGESTION THAT WE GO IN A FEW MONTHS. YEAH. SO I, I DON'T, UH, DO WE PICK A TIME? I MEAN THREE MONTHS, FOUR MONTHS, SIX MONTHS AND I'M THINKING AT LEAST THREE. UM, SURE, YEAH. THAT BE THE FIRST THREE MONTHS AND MAYBE CHECK TO SEE IF THEY'RE UP TO SPEED AND IF THE VA FOLKS ARE COMING. AND, UH, THEN ONCE, ONCE ALL THAT'S SORT OF GOING ON TO A DEGREE, THEN I THINK YOU COULD SEE AND HAVE MORE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT OPTIONS. AND, AND THIS IS PART OF KIND OF A LARGER DISCUSSION WE WERE HAVING ABOUT JUST WHERE ARE THEIR HYGIENE RESOURCES, RIGHT? MM-HMM . WHERE IS THEIR BATHROOM? THEY'RE OFFERING IT TO A SUBPOPULATION AND IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'VE GOT MORE CAPACITY AND THEY'RE NOT LIMITING INTO MENTAL HEALTH. THEY'RE ALL BEDS, RIGHT? SO, AND THEY, THEY DO NOT HAVE A LOT OF SHOWERS. THEY'RE LIKE FOUR OR FIVE INDIVIDUAL BATHROOMS AND LIKE TWO OR THREE OF THEM HAVE SHOWERS IN THEM. SO THEY HAVE A COUPLE OF SHOWERS, BUT IT IS SOMETHING, ALRIGHT, SO WE'LL FOLLOW UP. IT IS MORE THAN ZERO. WE'LL, WE'LL FOLLOW UP AFTER THE, THE FIRST QUARTER THEN. AND WE CAN ALSO, YOU KNOW, I, I'M A BIG ENVIRONMENTALIST THAT, THAT'S ACTUALLY ONE OF, THAT'S MY NUMBER ONE, UM, ISSUE IS SO WE COULD ALSO TALK ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS OF, OF THIS FACILITY. YOU KNOW, THE POSITIVE, THE GOOD THING AND UM, YOU KNOW, SUSTAINABILITY OF OUR OWN AND UM, HOW WE CAN OPTIMIZE SO THAT PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO GENERATE TRASH AND BE DIRTY AND GET SICK. AND DEFINITELY RIGHT NOW I REFER PEOPLE TO SATURDAYS, WEDNESDAYS AT CHICK FILLED IN MSC. THAT'S WHERE I WAS. AND I GUESS ALSO IN TAKING FROM THE DISCUSSION, UM, THERE IS A, THERE IS THE ISSUE OF EQUITY, UM, IN THE HOMELESS POPULATION, RIGHT? WE ALREADY KNOW THAT THERE ARE SUBGROUPS THAT ARE WAY OVERREPRESENTED AND IT'S NOT THE VETERANS. UM, YEAH. ALRIGHT. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? UM, IT WOULD BE GOOD, I THINK FOR THESE QUESTIONS TO BE DOCUMENTED AND GIVEN TO THEM IN ADVANCE SO THEY KNOW, UM, THEY'RE PREPARED WHEN YOU DO MEET WITH THEM AND HAVE ANSWERS FOR YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UM, I NEVER REMEMBER IF WE'VE ALREADY VOTED ALL IN FAVOR OR NOT, BUT ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OKAY. OUR NEXT ITEM IS RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE A DISCUSSION ON THE CITY OF LONG BEACH'S 2025 GOALS TO INCREASE SHELTER EVENTS AND RATES. IS THERE A MOTION? I A SECOND. ALRIGHT. AND SO FOR BACKGROUND, THIS IS ONE THAT I, UM, I THINK, UH, DOUG RAISED OUR LAST DISCUSSION, BUT IT WAS BASICALLY, UH, THE QUESTION OF, YOU KNOW, IF THE STRATEGIC PLAN IS NOT COMPLETED FOR NEXT YEAR, UM, KIND OF WHAT IS THE CITY'S DOCUMENTED PLAN FOR AN INCREASING THIS ACCESS? AND SO WHAT, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE STRATEGY THERE OR HOW CAN WE BE A PART OF MAKING SURE THAT THERE IS A STATED GOAL? SO COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS ON THE SECOND? I CAN YEAH, GO AHEAD. NO, GO AHEAD. SO I'LL JUST GIVE YOU, YOU KNOW, I'M RELATIVELY NEW AND, UM, SO UNDERSTANDING THE KIND OF THE FOCUS OF WHAT CITY SERVICES PROVIDES IS ACCOUNTABLE TO IT'S ADULTS. UH, IT'S NOT FAMILIES. OKAY. AND IT'S PART OF THE OVERALL SYSTEM. OKAY. THERE'S OTHER PRIVATE AND OTHER INSTITUTIONS, OTHER HOMELESS SERVICES. BUT FROM A, FROM A, THIS TOPIC OF, OF, UH, THIS TOPIC OF TRYING TO MEET THE HOMELESS NEEDS AND OUR SUBMISSION LAST YEAR OR THIS YEAR FOR NEXT YEAR AROUND INCREASING BEDS THROUGH ONE MECHANISM, WHICH YOU COULD DO DIFFERENT MECHANISMS, BUT FUNDAMENTALLY INCREASING BEDS. FOR ME, IT'S BEEN A LITTLE HARD TO UNDERSTAND SOME DATA AROUND THE GAP. SO, UM, WHAT, AND WHAT BEDS ARE COMING OPEN, WHAT, WHAT'S BECOMING AVAILABLE? SO WE HAVE CERTAIN CITY [00:25:01] MANAGED CITY OVERSEEING, UM, SHELTERS THAT PROVIDE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF BEDS. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TOTAL IS. MAYBE JUST SAY IT'S WHAT, 800? I DON'T KNOW. FIVE. OH, OKAY. AND THEN, UM, THERE MAY BE MORE COMING ON. I'VE LOST TRACK OF THE, THE MOTEL IN NORTH LONG BEACH THAT'S BEING REDONE. HAS THAT OPENED OR NOT? NO. SO WHEN IS THAT PLANNED TO OPEN? HOW MANY BEDS? AND SO IF THERE WERE 50 BEDS AND WE HAD 500 BEDS RIGHT NOW, THAT WOULD BE A 10% INCREASE OF BEDS, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, SO IT WOULD BE AN INCREASE, WHICH IS POSITIVE. IT'S NOT ENOUGH, BUT IT'S A, IT'S A WAY TO SORT OF LOOK AT IT FROM HOW MANY DO WE HAVE AND THEN HOW MANY ARE WE ADDING? AND THEN WE'RE STARTING TO SEE THIS NUMBER AROUND THE GAP, WHICH IS AROUND A THOUSAND ON THE WAIT LIST, RIGHT? YES. SO AS I'VE, IN MY BACK BACKGROUND, THAT'S HOW WE WOULD LOOK AT THINGS, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAPACITY DO WE HAVE? WHAT ARE WE MANAGING NOW? WHAT ARE WE ADDING, WHAT'S THE GAP, THE GAP'S. NOT ALL OF 'EM, IT'S JUST SORT OF WHAT, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE THERE COULD BE MORE MM-HMM . BUT THAT'S SORT OF THE STARTING POINT. AND, UM, MY FEELING IS THE STRATEGY SHOULD HAVE SOME PROGRESSION FORWARD AND, AND THINKING AROUND PROGRESSION FORWARD, NOT JUST SORT OF HAP HAPPENSTANCE, BUT, SO THAT'S WHERE I THINK OUR IDEAS AROUND PERCENTAGES, TAR, TARGETING THESE PERCENTAGES IN OTHER CITIES, THAT'S ONE WAY. THE OTHER WAY WOULD BE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA INCREASE THE BEDS 10% EVERY YEAR, OR 20% EVERY YEAR. YOU COULD HAVE A WAY OF INCREASING THE BREAD BEDS. AND THEN THE CITY THEN DECIDES IF THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THE MONEY TO DO IT, IF IT'S A PRIORITY AND, AND MOVES FORWARD WITH IT. SO, UH, MAYBE THE MECHANISM WE RECOMMENDED AND THE NUMBER WAS NOT THE RIGHT NUMBER FOR THE CITY, BUT OKAY, WHAT IS THE RIGHT NUMBER AND WHAT IS THE MECHANISM AND WHAT IS THE PLAN NEXT YEAR? AND WHAT IS THE PLAN THE YEAR AFTER? BECAUSE THERE'S OBVIOUSLY WITH THE GAP, THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE BIDS. AND SO FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS AS A, I DON'T KNOW, SPREADSHEET, A DATA. UH, I, IT'S HARD TO FIND THIS INFORMATION. IT'S COMING FROM DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS. UM, AND TODAY, I, I ASKED FOR IT AND WE'RE HAVING DALTON, BRIAN, DALTON, DALTON, MR. DALTON, HE'S, HE'S GETTING THAT INFORMATION. AND I LOOKED THROUGH THE MINUTES AND I I, I SEARCHED ONLINE FOR CITY, UH, LONG BEACH HOMELESS SERVICES AND SHELTERS. IT WAS REALLY HARD TO FIND THE LOCATION, THE ACTUAL LOCATIONS OF THE CITY OVERSEEING AND WITHOUT MIXING IT INTO ALL THE OTHER SERVICES. AND SO AS A NEW PERSON, IT'S, I'M TRYING TO GET AT WHAT CAN WE CONTROL ADULTS, NOT FAMILIES, WHAT DO WE HAVE? WHAT'S COMING ON BOARD? WE HAVE SOME COMING ON BOARD NEXT YEAR. GREAT. HOW MANY, WHEN CAN WE KEEP TRACK OF MAKING SURE IT'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE DELAY? ARE THERE DELAYS? ARE THERE NOT? AND THEN IS THERE AN OVERALL STRATEGY TO ADD MORE THAN THAT? UM, AND THERE'S PROPOSITION A OR SOMETHING. THERE'S DIFFERENT NEW FUNDING STREAMS PERHAPS. AND, AND SO HOW DOES, HOW DOES, HOW DOES THE CITY LOOK AT THAT? PICKING NUMBERS OF SOME SORT, PICKING A GOAL. WE GAVE 'EM ONE MECHANISM WITH ONE GOAL, BUT THERE ARE OTHER WAYS. SO THAT'S MY LITTLE GET OFF THE SOAPBOX, BUT THAT'S MY INTEREST . YEAH. AND TO YOUR POINT, WE DID SAY, HEY, WE WANT, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE CITY SET A GOAL AS SHELTERING A GREATER PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE. BUT TO YOUR POINT, IT COULD HAVE BEEN, WE WANT TO SEE THE CITY AT THIS MONEY, SHELTER BEDS EVERY YEAR. IT COULD, IT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE EITHER WAY. 'CAUSE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS COULD ACTUALLY, UM, OTHER, OTHER THOUGHTS AND, UM, SUGGESTIONS. SO DOUG, YOU WEREN'T HERE AT OUR MEETING WHEN DALTON MADE HIS PRESENTATION. AND, UM, HE DID HAVE SOME NUMBERS AND HE SAID THAT THE SHELTERS WERE OPERATING ABOUT 98% CAPACITY, WHICH WAS GREAT, RIGHT? BUT, BUT TO YOUR POINT, WHEN, WHEN WE ASKED 98% OF WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS YOUR NUMERATOR OR WHAT IS YOUR DENOMINATOR? HE WASN'T ABLE TO SHARE WITH US THAT NUMBER. SO YES, IF WE HAD THAT NUMBER, THEN WE CAN SAY, WELL, LAST YEAR YOUR SHELTER RATE WAS, OR THIS YEAR YOUR SHELTER [00:30:01] RATE WAS 27%, LET'S ADD 10%. RIGHT? AND WE WOULD ATTACH IT TO A NUMBER, BUT WE, WE DEFINITELY NEED TO, TO HAVE A DENOMINATOR. WELL, AND WE CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT ULTIMATELY THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO PICK A MODEL AND THE TARGETS AND THEY COULD PICK NONE. AND THAT'S OKAY. BUT JUST SAY THIS YEAR, FOR WHATEVER REASONS, WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY, WHATEVER, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO INCREASE, OR WE'RE ONLY GONNA BE ABLE TO INCREASE THE BEDS AT NORTH LONG BEACH. OKAY, WELL WHAT ABOUT THE NEXT YEAR, , IS IT THE SAME OR IS IT, CAN WE GET ANOTHER 50 OR A HUNDRED BEDS NEXT YEAR? MM-HMM . SOME NUMBER. AND, AND I THINK THE REASON THE COMMITTEE CAME UP WITH THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE FIRST PLACE IS 'CAUSE WE KIND OF GOT THE FEELING THAT THERE AREN'T HARD AND FAST NUMERICAL GOALS. AND IT'S NOT SO MUCH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE THE EXPERTS ON THIS SHOULD BE THE GOAL, BUT THE CITY SHOULD HAVE A GOAL AND A STRATEGY THAT ATTEMPTING TO ACHIEVE LIKE THIS. RIGHT? AND WE WERE LOOKING AT OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT WERE, UM, MAYBE NOT EXACTLY THE SAME AS LONG BEACH, BUT CERTAINLY, UM, HAD A LOT IN COMMON WITH LONG BEACH. SO WE WERE TRYING TO BE PRETTY REASONABLE IN OUR EXPECTATIONS. WE DID IT. YEAH. WE DIDN'T JUST PULL THE NUMBERS OFF OF THE AIR. PAUL HAD, YOU KNOW, PAUL SAYS, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH BEDS. HE LOOKS AT THAT 1000, HE SAYS IT VERY CLEARLY THAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH BEDS. WE LOOK AT THAT AND OTHER DATA, AND THEN YOU SORT OF LOOK AT THE ENVIRONMENT WE'RE IN AND IT SEEMS LIKE, COULD ANYONE DISAGREE WITH THAT? AND IF NOT, OKAY, THEN DOES THE CITY WANT TO TAKE MORE ACTIONS AND THEY'RE ADDING SOME NEXT YEAR, BUT WHAT, WHAT ARE THESE PLANS YEAR AFTER YEAR? SO AS A POLICY COMMITTEE THAT CAN, YOU KNOW, BRING RECOMMENDATIONS TO OUR BROADER COMMITTEE THAT CAN THEN RECOMMEND TO THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. YOU KNOW, WE THOUGHT THERE MIGHT BE A STRATEGIC PLAN THAT WOULD BE A REVISED ONE THAT WOULD BE COMING ONLINE FOR 2025. THAT'S BEEN PUSHED BACK A BIT. SO WE DON'T THINK THERE'S GONNA BE NUMBERS INCLUDED THERE, BECAUSE THAT'S STILL, SHOULD WE MAKE SOME SORT OF RECOMMENDATION OR, OR REQUEST FROM THE, THE CITY TO ADOPT NUMERICAL GOALS. I HAD ANOTHER THAT'S, THAT MAY BE TOUGH. UM, IT WAS, SO, IT'S BEEN SO DIFFICULT TO FIND THESE NUMBERS. I WONDER IF THIS FIRST STEP IS JUST TO, COULD THIS COMMITTEE GET THE NUMBERS FORMATTED IN THE WAY WE WANT AND THEN IT BECOMES PUBLIC RECORD. SO THE PUBLIC RECORD IS, WE CURRENTLY FOR ADULT HOMELESSNESS, NON FAMILIES, WE CURRENTLY HAVE X BEDS, 500 BEDS. WE HAVE 70 BEDS COMING NEXT YEAR. AND WE HAVE A WAIT LIST OF 1000 AND EVERY MONTH THAT NUMBER IS LOOKED AT, THOSE NUMBERS ARE LOOKED AT, THEY'RE, IT'S A HUGE GAP, BUT NOBODY PUTS THE NUMBERS TOGETHER. SO THAT, I THINK EVERY, I THINK OUR EVERY COMMITTEE MEETING, WE SHOULD LOOK AT THOSE AND PUT 'EM IN THAT CONTEXT. THERE IS OR A THOUSAND SHORT, MAYBE 900 AFTER THEY OPEN UP. AND SO, AND HERE'S HOW MANY WE HAVE. AND SOMETIMES WHEN PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DATA MONTH AFTER MONTH AND OTHERS ARE LOOKING AT THE DATA IN THAT CONTEXT RIGHT NOW, IT'S HIDDEN. IT, I DON'T MEAN PURPOSEFULLY, IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT'S NOT THE WAY THE DATA'S BEEN LOOKED AT AND COLLECTED. AND, UH, AND IT'S HARD TO COMPARE TO OTHER CITIES. IT'S HARD TO SAY IN OTHER CITIES THAT WAY. SO WE SHOULD BE THAT WAY. OKAY, WHAT'S JUST, WHERE ARE WE AT AND WHAT IS OUR GOAL? WHAT IS OUR DEFICIT? AND I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S, MAYBE I'M SIMPLIFYING THINGS, BUT I WAS THINKING ABOUT A STEP OF IT BEING THIS WAY OF LOOKING AT WHAT THE GAP IS, HOW MANY ARE COMING EACH YEAR, WHAT THE GAP IS, HOW MANY ARE COMING, HOW MANY DO WE HAVE? KEEP THAT AS SORT OF THREE DATA POINTS AND KEEP THE DISCUSSION GOING AROUND AS THREE DATA POINTS. SURE. SO WERE YOU TOLD THAT YOU'LL GET THOSE DATA POINTS? WELL, UH, THE, WE GET THE, THE WAIT LIST. OKAY. AND, UH, I WAS WAITING TO SEE, UH, WHAT DATA WE WOULD GET FROM MR. DALTON, WHICH I PRESUME WOULD BE ON THE CURRENT ONES THAT CITY MANAGED. AND THEN I WAS GONNA ASK ABOUT THE, THE ONE THAT'S BEING ADDED IN NORTH LONG BEACH IF HE DIDN'T INCLUDE THAT DATA. AND THEN THAT MIGHT BE SOME NUMBER OF BEDS IF PLANNING FOR NEXT JULY. LIKE, AND THAT'S KIND OF HOW I WANTED TO LOOK AT THE DATA AND ORGANIZE THOSE DATA POINTS. AND [00:35:01] YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD ALSO WELCOME, YOU KNOW, THOSE DATA POINTS IN OUR MEETINGS, IN OUR QUARTERLY UPDATES. I DO THINK, YOU KNOW, IT IS THE ROLE OF THE CITY STAFF AND CITY WORKERS TO BE DOING THAT MANAGEMENT OF SAYING WE, SO WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD HAVE AN OVERVIEW IN ORDER TO PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS. BUT YEAH, IT'S NOBODY'S, IT'S NOT A FAULT. IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU DO THIS WORK AND YOU GET TO A POINT WHERE YOU'RE TR TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IT AND HAVE IDEAS. AND SOMETIMES WHEN YOU LOOK AT THINGS A LITTLE DIFFERENT, IT PROVIDES A LITTLE MORE CLARITY. I THINK, THINK, I THINK, UM, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH ALL EVERYTHING DOUG SAID TOO, LIKE WE NEED THOSE NUMBERS AND TRANSPARENCY. BUT I DO THINK IT'S LIKE, IT'S HARD FOR LIKE GETTING THE PRIVATE BEDS, LIKE BEING PLACE PEOPLE, BUT I THINK OUR VIEW OF THE SYSTEM, OR LIKE HOW IT'S NOW JUST MEANS SHIFTING MEANING LIKE THE BEDS FOR TRANSFERRING SOMEBODY TO ANOTHER PROGRAM SHOULD HAVE LIKE A PLACE LIKE THAT THAT YOU CAN COME AND TAKE A SHOWER AND THERE'S LIKE MORE BEDS LIKE THAT UNTIL YOU GET TO, IF YOU NEED A PROGRAM. AND MAYBE THAT'S LIKE A LOT OF OVERLAP WITH PRIVATE FOUNDATIONS, I THINK TOO. AND THEN LIKE GATHERING THAT INFORMATION BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE LIKE ON A WAIT LIST WAITING FOR A PROGRAM AND THEN YOU'RE JUST OUT THERE. BUT WHILE YOU'RE WAITING FOR A PROGRAM TO BE SOMEWHERE. BUT I THINK OUR VIEW OF WHAT SHELTERS LOOK LIKE IS CHANGED. LIKE IT'S DEFINITELY CHANGED, ESPECIALLY MORE AWARENESS AROUND MENTAL WELLNESS OR MENTAL HEALTH AND ALL OF THAT. SO WE KNOW, LIKE NOW WE KNOW JUST FROM HAVING IT SET UP, AS I ALWAYS FORGET, LIKE CONGREGATE, NON CONGREGATE LANGUAGE, WE JUST HAVE COTS. THAT'S JUST HOW I THINK OF IT IN MY HEAD. IT'S VERY HARD TO DECOMPRESS. IT'S VERY HARD TO GET SERVICES, INDIVIDUAL SERVICES AND HAVE YOUR OWN AUTONOMY AND PRIVACY. AND THAT'S REALLY HARD ON MENTAL HEALTH TOO, SO IT EXACERBATES THE WHOLE THING. BUT I THINK WE'VE DONE THAT AS A SOCIETY AND LIKE THAT WAS DONE. IT'S REALLY WORKING. SO I THINK CHANGING MY REVIEW ON WHAT SHELTERS LOOK LIKE WHILE YOU'RE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT PERMANENT, LIKE YOU'RE THERE FOR A LITTLE BIT, BUT STILL HAVING THE AUTONOMY OF PRIVACY AND ALL OF THAT AND THE SERVICES THERE. I THINK WE'RE GETTING THERE, BUT I THINK WE'RE NOT THERE YET. AND THEN LIKE LOOKING AT, JUST LOOKING AT IT, SHIFTING THAT WAY OF THAT PERCEPTION, WE'RE GONNA SHIFT THAT. BUT YEAH, THERE'S DEFINITELY A VARIETY OF . THERE'S DEFINITELY A VARIETY OF SHELTER OPTIONS HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTED IN, IN OUR COMMUNITY AND OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT GO FROM DORMITORIES TO, UM, SHARED LIVING TO CONGREGATE SHELTERS. UM, BUT GOING BACK TO YOUR POINT, THE NUMBERS ARE NOT A MYSTERY. AND WE DO A HOMELESS COUNT EVERY YEAR. AND IN THAT HOMELESS COUNT, THERE IS A COUNT OF SHELTERED INDIVIDUALS IN VARIOUS, UM, PRIVATE AND PUBLIC SHELTERS. SO THAT NUMBER IS AVAILABLE EVERY YEAR. THERE IS THE, I DON'T THINK I WANNA SAY 2024, IT WAS 928 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IT WAS THE 27%, RIGHT? THE 27% IS, IS WHERE THEY THAT CAME FROM. UM, SO SOMEHOW THAT NUMBER HAS BEEN CAPTURED. IT'S JUST, IT ISN'T FOR WHATEVER REASON INCLUDED IN SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO US. AND MAYBE THAT'S WHERE THE, UM, MYSTERY COMES IN. YEAH. BUT THERE, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S VERY ANALYTIC, UM, IN TERMS OF WHAT DALTON CREATE, YOU KNOW, WHAT HE COLLECTS AND WHAT HE PRESENTS. UM, HE DOESN'T, HE DOESN'T FILL IN NUMBERS, HE JUST DIGESTS EXISTING NUMBERS. MM-HMM . CAN I KEEP GOING WITH THIS A LITTLE BIT TOO BAD ON TIME, SO, OKAY. JUST SO, YEAH. YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALSO BEEN SOME OF MY EVOLUTION IN THIS IS THAT I, I INITIALLY CAME ON THINKING PRIORITIZE WOMEN CHILDREN, BUT THAT'S NOT THE ACCOUNTABILITY. I MEAN, THAT IS A, THAT IS A BROADER ACCOUNTABILITY, BUT IN TERMS OF HOW ACCOUNT, IN TERMS OF PAUL'S DEPARTMENT, IT'S ADULTS SHELTER BEDS. YEAH. THE HOMELESS SERVICES. OKAY, SO, SO WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS PAUL'S AREA AND YOUR OUR AREA OF ACCOUNTABILITY? IT'S ADULTS, SHELTER, BEDS AND ALL OTHER SERVICES. OKAY. AND THEN HOW DO YOU GET NUMBERS RELATED TO THAT? AND SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT YOU'RE DOING. THE, THE NUMBER THAT'S COLLECTED IN THE ACCOUNT COLLECTS IT FOR OUR SHELTERS [00:40:01] AND OTHER SHELTERS. YEAH. SO, SO IDENTIFIES THEM BY GEOGRAPHIC POINTS. SO, BUT IN TERMS OF ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THE CITY, THE CITY HAS AN ACCOUNTABILITY. THERE IS A WAIT LIST THEY HAVE OF A THOUSAND, RIGHT? NO, I KNOW. AND THERE'S X NUMBER OF BEDS AND THAT'S AN ACCOUNTABILITY. THAT'S A DIRECT ACCOUNTABILITY. AND YOU CAN MANAGE THAT IN DIFFERENT WAYS. UM, YOU CAN DO IT ON YOUR OWN, LIKE ADDING THE BEDS IN NORTH LONG BEACH. YOU CAN DO IT IN PARTNERSHIP WITH OTHER ORGANIZATIONS. THAT'S FINE TOO. YES. OKAY. BUT BOTH, ALL OF THAT SHOULD BE PART OF A PLAN. AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE OUR NUMBERS? WHAT'S THE GAP AND HOW CAN WE REDUCE THE GAP, REDUCE THE WAIT LIST SOME LEVEL, HOPEFULLY OPENING UP THE BEDS WILL REDUCE THE, THE WAIT LIST A LITTLE BIT, UH, NEXT YEAR. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LOOK AT THAT DATA IN OUR QUARTERLY DATA UPDATE OF HOW, YOU KNOW, SO WE HAVE SEEN KIND OF THE NUMBER WHO ARE WAITING, HOW MANY MONTHS ON AVERAGE IT TAKES SOMEBODY TO BE PLACED INTO SHELTER. BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE WE SHOULD LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF, WHAT'S THE, THE STOCK OF BEDS AND THEN WHAT'S THE GAP AND THEN WHAT'S THE TIMELINE FOR NEW ONES COMING ON BOARD. BUT KIND OF ENCOURAGE OUR, OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS TO, TO SET SOME GOALS AROUND INCREASING THAT ONCE WE KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE. AND IS DALTON THE FIRST NAME OR LAST NAME? FIRST? FIRST NAME IS DALTON. SORRY. . UH, WOULD YOU LIKE I COULD WORK WITH HIM. I'VE ALREADY MADE CONTACT AND I COULD WORK WITH HIM AND TRY TO PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER THAT MIGHT, YOU KNOW, I COULD BRING IT BACK. AND MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING TO LOOK AT AND DO OTHERS THINK THAT I THINK THAT'S USEFUL. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. I CAN ENVISION THE GRAPH AND WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE AND SOUNDS GOOD. OKAY. ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I MEAN, THIS WILL BE AN ONGOING CONVERSATION. THIS IS OUR PRIMARY, YOU KNOW, POINT OF BUSINESS OF HOW DO WE INCREASE SERVICES IN BED. SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO, I, I DO HAVE A COMMENT ON WOMEN AND CHILDREN AND I DID SEE IN THE AGENDA, I THINK IT WENT THROUGH, OR MAYBE IT'S TOMORROW, BUT UM, FAMILY PROMISE OF SOUTH BAY HAS NOW STEPPED UP TO LONG BEACH, WHICH IS REALLY AWESOME. I TALKED TO THEM PROBABLY A COUPLE YEARS AGO. THEIR ORANGE COUNTY PEOPLE IN SOUTH BAY. YEAH, THEY'RE BIG IN SOUTH BAY. THEY ARE IN ORANGE COUNTY TOO, BUT THEY'RE LIKE, IT'S THE SAME ORGANIZATION. BUT, UM, THEY'RE REALLY AWESOME. I LOVE THEIR FORMAT. THEY REALLY DO THE COMMUNITY SUPPORTIVE HOUSING FORMAT TO WHERE YOU'RE LIKE A SHARED LIVING SPACE WITH DIFFERENT FAMILIES AND IT'S JUST AWESOME. THEY SUPPORT EACH OTHER. THEY HAVE GOOD, GOOD PROGRAM. I'M REALLY HAPPY THEY'RE COMING TO LONG BEACH. SO WHAT ARE THEY DOING? THEY'RE COMING IN TO PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES FOR FAMILIES AND CHILDREN. SO WHEN, IF THEY FAMILY AND CHILDREN COME TO MSC, THEY'LL BE LIKE FAMILY PROMISE. SO IT'S NOT CATHOLIC CHARITIES OR OUR WAY IN BAY. SO IT'S, IT'S FOR A SPECIFIC PROGRAM, INTENSIVE CASE MANAGEMENT SERVICES. SO IT'S A SEPARATE PROGRAM ALL IN ITSELF. IT'S FAMILY OF SOUTH BAY WILL BE PROVIDING THOSE SERVICES FOR WOMEN IN, I'M SORRY, FOR FAMILIES WITH CHILDREN UNDER 18. SO IN CONJUNCTION WITH CATHOLIC CHARITIES AND HARBOR INTERFAITH, THE CATHOLIC CHARITIES AND HARBOR INTERFAITH DOES FAMILIES. BUT FOR THE COC PROGRAM, IT'S A DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCE, DIFFERENT TYPE OF PROGRAM. YEAH. THIS IS INTENSIVE CASE MANAGEMENT, RIGHT? NO, I UNDERSTAND WHAT INTENSIVE, BUT THERE'S NO OVERLAP OF CLIENTS YOU'RE SAYING? NO OVERLAP A CLIENTS. YEAH. NO, THEY'RE GREAT. YOU KNOW, UM, FAMILY PROMISE, UM, WE FUND, THEY RUN THE COFFEE SHOP ON WILLOW, UM, WRIGLEY COFFEE, WRIGLEY COFFEE, AND UH, THE MAYOR'S FUND GAVE 'EM $10,000 TO BUY SOME SORT OF MACHINE THAT THEY NEEDED BEFORE THEY OPENED THAT. SO, UM, THAT, THAT TO ME IS, UH, AN EXAMPLE OF, OF A GOOD WAY TO, UM, SUPPORT NEW IDEAS THAT HELP US MOVE THE NEEDLE ON HOMELESSNESS. THEY DON'T, THEY, IT DID, THE COFFEE MACHINE DEFINITELY DID PROVIDE HOUSING AND IT DID ADDRESS THE, THE BASIC NEEDS, HOWEVER, BECAUSE IT ALLOWED THEM TO OPEN UP THE COFFEE SHOP AND THEY ARE COMMITTED TO, TO HIRING PEOPLE WHO, UM, ARE CURRENTLY OR FORMERLY HOMELESS. AND UM, THEY, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER MONIES THEY EARN AT THE COFFEE SHOP, THEY PUT BACK INTO THEIR BUSINESS MODEL. AND THEY ALSO HAVE THE TWO OR THREE COMMUNITY SPACES THAT THEY RENT OUT FOR A VERY, UM, REASONABLE CAUSE THERE. UM, AND YEAH, SO THEY, AND THEY DO HAVE THAT, THAT HUB OVER THERE AND I HOPE THAT THEY'LL USE THAT IN THEIR, UM, WORK WITH, WITH THE FAMILIES. ARE THEY WORKING WITH L-B-U-S-D SINCE IT'S UNDER 18? I'M UNAWARE, [00:45:01] BUT YOU PROBABLY, THEY MIGHT BE WORKING WITH LIKE, I MEAN, THERE'S ONLY LIKE SO MANY PEOPLE YOU CAN CALL WHEN YOU DO HAVE A FIGHT TO FAMILY, RIGHT? NO, I MEAN, 'CAUSE IF YOU, IF YOU, IF THEY'RE ONLY WORKING WITH FAMILIES UNDER, WITH CHILDREN UNDER 18, THEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT L-B-U-S-D STUDENTS. SO, AND I, I MEAN, IN MY HEAD I FEEL LIKE EACH, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, SUB COMMUNITY NICHE, YOU KNOW, LIKE EVERYBODY NEEDS LIKE MULTIPLE ORGANIZATIONS FOR THAT NICHE. YOU KNOW, LIKE FAMILIES AND COMMUNITIES, YOU NEED LIKE FIVE ORGANIZATIONS. YEAH, NO, I TOTALLY AGREE IN THAT. AND ADULTS TOO, THEY'LL ALWAYS GREATER THAN WHATEVER. AND, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN PEOPLE ARE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS, THERE'S THIS PREVALENCE OF GIVING THEM THE RUNAROUND SAYING, OH, YOU CAN CALL. AND THAT'S NOT PRODUCTIVE. YOU KNOW, IF THEY, IF THEY CAN GO TO FAMILY PROMISE AND GET THEIR PLAN AND PLACE AND WELL, IF THEY GET A RUNAROUND FROM ONE PLACE, I DEFINITELY SEND THEM TO ANOTHER BECAUSE I'M LIKE, YOU'RE NOT GETTING SERVICES THERE, SO CALL THIS PLACE. ALRIGHT, WELL THAT'S GREAT FOR THIS DISCUSSION. THAT IS GOOD NEWS. ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? UM, AS PART OF YOUR QUESTIONING WITH DALTON, COULD YOU FIND OUT HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE HELPED AT THAT MULTI-SERVICE CENTER PER DAY? BECAUSE I'M VERY INTERESTED. I'VE HEARD IT'S NOT VERY MANY FROM SOMEONE. WE, WE KIND OF GET THAT. WE GET THAT AND IT'S DEPENDING, IT'S, THEY COUNT A CERTAIN WAY AND IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE, YOU ARE ACTIVE AND UH, DO YOU HAVE THAT NUMBER? YEAH, IT'S IN THE MINUTES. OH, IT IS IN THE MINUTES. OH, MAYBE I GOT THAT. OUR GENERAL MEETING RIGHT JENNIFER? AND THEY HAVE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES TOO, OF WHAT SERVICES THEY PROVIDE. OKAY. HE DID, UM, HE DID A PRESENTATION AT OUR LAST MEETING, SO IT SHOULD OH, OKAY. THE ATTACHMENT TO THE PRESENTATION IS IN THE, UH, WEBSITE. OKAY. I'LL FRAME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. UM, I DO HAVE TO SAY I WILL HAVE TO END THE MEETING A COUPLE MINUTES EARLY 'CAUSE I DO HAVE A WORD CALL. THAT'S OKAY. UM, BUT WE HAVE TWO MORE ITEMS. SO THE FIRST ONE, UH, IS RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE A DISCUSSION ON THE PLANNED OUTREACH INITIATIVES AND PROGRAM SPECIFICALLY TARGETED AT OLDER ADULTS EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS. THE PER THE PERSON WHO PROPOSED THIS AGENDA WAS NOT HERE TODAY. SO I WONDER IF WE WANT TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION OR TABLE IT FOR THE NEXT ONE. CAN I GET A MOTION TO TABLE IT FOR THE NEXT ONE? OKAY. OKAY, GREAT. ALRIGHT, SO, AND LAST ITEM, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS TO RECEIVE AND FILE A DISCUSSION REGARDING THE FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. WHAT, WHAT RECOMMENDATIONS DO YOU HAVE? OH, SORRY, CAN I GET A MOTION? SO MOVED. SECOND. UH, ANY DISCUSSION WHAT WE HAVE? I THINK MOST OF OUR STUFF IS GOING TO BE CARRIED OVER. YEAH, WE'VE GOT SOME THINGS. WE HAVE A FULL AGENDA. UM, IT, I DID WONDER, UM, BECAUSE UH, WHILE WE WERE AT, UM, M-H-A-L-A, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD BROUGHT UP, UM, OH THE, WE DON'T THINK THE CITY CONTRACT COULD HAVE COVERED OUR COST FOR RUNNING THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS DROP PROGRAM. AND SO WE DID, YOU KNOW, WONDER LIKE, SHOULD WE TAKE A LOOK AT THAT? IS THERE, YOU KNOW, IS THERE A PROBLEM? IS IT, IS THAT TRUE? IT'S NOT ENOUGH FUNDING, YOU KNOW, SO IS IS THAT SOMETHING WE SHOULD TAKE A LOOK AT IF, YOU KNOW, CITY RFPS ARE PUT OUT THERE FOR THE SERVICES, ARE THERE A LOT OF RESPONSES AND YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW. OKAY, SO THE CITY EX, DID THE CITY EXPECT MORE SERVICES BUT WERE UNABLE TO PROVIDE IT? YEAH, THE CITY DID A TOTAL REMODEL OF, I KNOW OF THE BUILDING TO PROVIDE SHOWERS AND RIGHT RESTROOMS, BUT THAT'S LAUNDRY FACILITIES AS A DROP-IN CENTER. WELL THIS, THIS IS ALL SECONDHAND INFORMATION THAT I RECEIVED, BUT WHAT I WAS TOLD BY M-H-A-L-A IS THE REASON THEY DECIDED NOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THEIR CITY CONTRACT TO BE A DROP IN CENTER IS BECAUSE THEIR COSTS WERE GREATER THAN THE PERSON THEY RECEIVE. SO ONE OF THE BIG REASONS, ONE OF THE BIG REASONS PUBLIC HOUSING AND PUBLIC SERVICES OUR PROBLEMS IS BECAUSE OF ONGOING FUNDING. IT, IT'S, YOU NOT ONLY HAVE TO BUILD SOMETHING, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO EXACTLY AND HOW MUCH ARE YOU GONNA FUND IT? AND THOSE FUNDS ESCALATE EVERY YEAR. AND ARE YOU GONNA CONTINUE TO KEEP ESCALATING THE FUNDING TO SUPPORT THE SERVICES? AND IT IS, ANYWAY. THAT'S MY, SO YEAH, LET'S, LET'S HEAR ABOUT THAT. IT'S NOT BUILDING, IT'S WHAT WAS THE ON IN MY, SORRY, WHAT WAS THE, WHAT WERE THE ONGOING PLANS OF UTILIZATION? WAS ANY MONEY MONEY BUDGETED FOR THAT? 'CAUSE THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN BUILDING. THAT'S OPERATIONAL. AND THEN LIKE, AND THEN WHAT WAS IT EVALUATION, [00:50:01] WHAT COULDN'T AND WHAT COULD BE PROVIDED? RIGHT. SO IF I CAN GO ALONG, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU, DOUG. LIKE ON THAT, LIKE, AND THEN LIKE IS THERE AN EVALUATION IN THAT WRITTEN IN THERE THAT YOU CAN GO BACK AND CHECK THESE THINGS OUT? AND IT MIGHT BE, IT MIGHT, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO CIRCLE BACK TO THE SAVE COSTS OF, OF DOING LESS SWEEPS AND PROVIDING YES. SANITATION. I MEAN THIS IS EXACTLY, YEAH. HOW WE COULD TAKE THOSE COSTS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT TAKES SIX PUBLIC WORK WORKERS AND THREE POLICE OFFICERS AND SEE IF WE CAN ROUTE IT TO SANITATION FOR THREE DAYS A WEEK OR FIVE DAYS A WEEK OR WHATEVER AND, AND BE MORE INTENTIONAL AND MEET THE NEEDS. ANY OTHER FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS AS, AS YOU ALL SAID, THERE WILL BE, THERE WILL BE CARRY OVER, BUT THAT'S SOME OF THE HISTORY IN MY MIND. YEAH. AND WITH THAT WE'LL BRING IN THE DATA. YEAH, I MEAN THE M-H-L-H-A-L IS CONFUSING. WHAT WERE THEY ORIGINALLY SET UP TO DO? THEY BUILT IT AND THEN ONGOING, IF YOU HAVE SHOWERS THAT AREN'T BEING USED, IT WASN'T BUILT THE RIGHT WAY. SO WHAT'S ALL THIS ABOUT? AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY'S SAYING. YEAH. YEAH. AND IT WAS THE PANDEMIC, I MEAN IT IT, THE FACILITY FINISHED AT THE END OF 2019 AND THEN TWO MONTHS LATER RIGHT. WE HAD A PANDEMIC. SO THAT SORT OF, UM, SHUT DOWN ANY UM, DISCUSSION OF, OF INTENTIONS. RIGHT? IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? UM, MY CONCERN WAS I DON'T, I DON'T FEEL CONFIDENT THIS TEAM HAS A FUNDING FORECAST FOR 2025 RELATED TO HOMELESS. SO I HOPE THAT'S A QUESTION THAT YOU HAVE FOR SOMEONE. IS THAT PAUL, WELL THAT'S A BUDGET PRESENTED THAT NEEDS TO BE ACCEPTED. HAS THE, HAVE THE BUDGETS BEEN ACCEPTED FOR ME? OH YEAH. OCTOBER 1ST. OKAY. EPTEMBER FIRST. SO WHAT'S THE HOMELESS BUDGET? IS THAT THE QUESTION? I'M CONFUSED WHAT THE QUESTION IS. THE FUNDING STREAMS TO ADDRESS HOMELESSNESS IN THE CITY OF LONG BEACH, THAT INCLUDES THE BUDGET, THAT INCLUDES GRANT, THE GRANT PROPOSAL I THINK HAPPEN THAT INCLUDES UM, PERHAPS NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS. STATE, STATE, COUNTY FUNDING. IT'S, THERE'S GRANTS, ALL DIFFERENT SOURCES, ALL THE DIFFERENT FROM WITHIN THEIR OWN BUDGET. IT'S THE WHOLE STREAM PICTURE. YEAH. OKAY. I THINK IN TOTALITY THERE'S NOT ENOUGH FUNDING TO ADDRESS CORRECT THE ISSUE, BUT IF WE DON'T HAVE A PICTURE OF WHAT WE'VE GOT, WE DON'T, AND HERE'S A THOUSAND PEOPLE, WE NEED THIS MUCH. SO HOW DO WE DRAW THE LINE FROM HERE TO THERE IF THEY DON'T HAVE THE PICTURE? ALRIGHT. AND THE OTHER CONCERN, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS THE RIGHT TIME, IS THE WINTER SHELTER QUESTION? THAT WILL BE PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT YES. WE'LL, WE'LL GET RIGHT THERE. OKAY. OH, SO THERE'S A, OH, I'M SORRY, SECTION OF PUBLIC COMMENT GENERAL, WELL THERE'S A PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION. SO ALL IN FAVOR? OKAY. UNLESS I'M SORRY. WAS THAT AN ITEM THAT YOU ALL WANTED TO HEAR? I DON'T KNOW. AS IT BELONG IN A FEATURE AGENDA ITEM, IT'S KIND OF WIN OR NOW MAYBE YOU ALREADY TALKED ABOUT IT AND SO IT'S WILL BE OVER WITH BEYOND OR IS IT SOMETHING TO TALK ABOUT FOR JANUARY? OH, WE CAN DO THAT FOR JANUARY. OKAY. THANK YOU ALL. AND THEN ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ALRIGHT. UM, I BELIEVE PUBLIC COMMENT IS THERE, IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE POLICY SUBCOMMITTEE ON NON AGENDA ITEMS, UH, FOR TWO MINUTES. DOES ANYONE KNOW ABOUT WINTERS SHELTER PLANS? YOU'VE ALREADY BEEN INFORMED? DO, IS IT OPEN? UM, IT'LL BE PUBLIC COMMENT. I JUST, I GUESS I JUST, I JUST DON'T ASK THAT QUESTION. INCLUDES THE PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY. YEAH. WINTER SHELTER IS LOCATED AT 7 0 2. GREAT. THEY'RE OPEN. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE OPEN, BUT THAT IS WHERE WE WILL BE ADDING BEDS FOR WINTER SHELTER. SOMEBODY TOLD ME IT WASN'T OPEN THOUGH, SO MAYBE THAT, BUT THERE ARE NO EXTRA BEDS RIGHT NOW. MAYBE THAT SHOULD COME TO THE MAIN MEETING. YES. NOT THE NEXT MEETING. AND JUST GOING BASED OFF, WE ARE IN TALK FOR OPENING WINTER SHELTER BEDS. I CAN'T TELL YOU WHEN IT WAS OPEN. JUST HEARD IT IN PASSING. THOUGHT YOU WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. BE SAFE. ALRIGHT, WELL THANK YOU ALL FOR THE GOOD DISCUSSION. WE'LL LOOK FOR THOSE NUMBERS ON THE COST OF CLEAN SWEEPS FOR OUR NEXT COMMITTEE MEETING. WE'LL LOOK FOR FORWARD TO YOU WORKING WITH DALTON TO GET US THE NUMBERS ON THE SHELTER BEDS AND WE'LL HEAR MORE ABOUT THE SHELTER MEETING. UH, THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.