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ALRIGHT, WE'LL CALL THE MEETING ORDER AT 2:03 PM AND DO ROLL CALL.
OUR FIRST ITEM IS A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR THE POLICY SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING OF MONDAY DECEMBER 9TH, 2024.
IS THERE A MOTION FOR THAT? SO MOVED.
ANY OPPOSED? AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, THERE'S NO PUBLIC MEMBERS PRESENT.
SO WE CAN SKIP OVER THAT REQUEST IF ANYBODY COMES IN.
I'LL, UM, SO OUR SECOND ITEM IS RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE A DISCUSSION ON THE CLEAN SWEEPS PUBLIC WORKS TRANSFER COST OPPORTUNITY WITH HOMELESS SERVICES STAFF.
UM, IS THERE, WE DO THE MOTION NOW, RIGHT BEFORE A DISCUSSION? YES.
SO ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? I HAVE SOME ITEMS, BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR IT IF YOU ALL HAVE ANY, YOUR NOTES.
WELL, I, I HAVE REQUESTED, UH, FROM JENNIFER AND PAUL SOME INFORMATION ON THE COST OF CLEAN SWEEPS.
SO WE HAVE SOME VERY GENERAL, YOU KNOW, INFORMATION TO ESTIMATE.
UM, WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE PRESENTATION THAT WE RECEIVED IS, I BELIEVE IT'S ABOUT EIGHT INDIVIDUALS THAT USUALLY GO OUT FOR EVERY CLEAN SWEEP, WHICH INCLUDES TWO POLICE OFFICERS AND THAT'S, THAT'S A BALLPARK OF WHO WOULD BE THERE.
UM, SO I DID SOME RESEARCH ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE PEOPLE MAKING PER HOUR, HOW LONG DOES THIS TAKE? UM, AND SO, UH, A LONG BEACH, YOU KNOW, POLICE ACADEMY GRADUATE STARTS AT $45 AN HOUR.
SO WE KNOW THAT FOR EVERY CLEAN SWEEP THAT'S OCCURRING, THERE'S TWO POLICE OFFICERS, WHICH EQUALS $90.
UM, AND THEN MAYBE WE CAN ESTIMATE THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE TEAM MAYBE MAKE AN AVERAGE OF $20 AN HOUR, WHICH THESE ARE PROBABLY ALL LOW BALL ESTIMATES.
AND SO WHEN I LOOKED AT THAT, AND WE HAD HEARD IN OUR PRESENTATION THAT SOME OF THESE SITES ARE CLEANED EVERY WEEK OR THREE TIMES A MONTH.
UM, WE BASICALLY FIGURE OUT THAT FOR LABOR IT'S COSTING A LOW ESTIMATE IS ABOUT $8,400 PER YEAR PER EACH OF THESE SITES THAT ARE REPETITIVELY CLEANED UP.
AND THAT'S NOT COUNTING REMOVAL OF WASTE OR ANY OTHER, YOU KNOW, ACCOMPANYING SERVICES THAT ALSO HAVE AN ATTACHED COST.
SO WE MIGHT SAY THAT EACH OF THESE REPETITIVELY CLEANED SITES, AND HE SAID IT IS KIND OF A LOT OF SITES THAT GET CLEANED EVERY WEEK, MAYBE IT COSTS $10,000 A YEAR PER SITE TO DO THAT ON A REGULAR BASIS.
UM, SO ONE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT PAUL HAD MENTIONED, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE THIS DATA YET, UM, BUT PAUL HAD MENTIONED WE COULD GET SOME FIGURES OF THE COST OF PROVIDING KIND OF PREVENTATIVE HYGIENE SERVICES LIKE TRASH RECEPTACLES OR, OR SHOWER COST.
BECAUSE THE IDEA HERE WAS MAYBE IF WE PROVIDE PEOPLE WITH, YOU KNOW, CLEANER LIVING CONDITIONS THAT MAYBE WE WOULDN'T HAVE THIS EXPENSE OF SUCH FREQUENT CLEAN SWEEPS.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE, UM, THAT INFORMATION ABOUT THE, THE COST OF THOSE TYPES OF KIND OF, HEY, HYGIENE ADULTS.
UM, IS IT TIME FOR DISCUSSION? LET'S DISCUSS.
UM, WHEN THE GENTLEMAN CAME FROM PUBLIC WORKS, I FORGOT HIS NAME.
WHEN JOSE CAME AND DID HIS, UM, VERY INFORMATIVE PRESENTATION HE CITED THERE WERE SOMETHING LIKE A TOTAL OF 3000 OR WHATEVER IT WAS SWEEPS AND THOSE WERE NOT, UM, DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, BUT THOSE WERE THE NUMBER OF SWEEPS.
SO IF WE, DO YOU, DOES ANYBODY REMEMBER THE NUMBER? BECAUSE I DO NOT GO AHEAD,
SO PAUL ALSO POINTED ME IN THE DIRECTION OF THOSE FIGURES, AND THERE'S SOMEWHAT CONTRADICTORY NUMBERS, BUT IN THE CITY BUDGET IT SAYS THAT LAST YEAR PUBLIC WORKS DID, UM, 3,618 CLEANUPS, BUT THEN THE MARINE AND PARKS DEPARTMENT DID AN ADDITIONAL OF 624 ENCAMPMENT CLEANUPS BECAUSE THEY HAVE JURISDICTION OVER CERTAIN AREAS.
SO WE'VE GOT ABOUT 4,200 CLEANUPS HAPPENING PER YEAR.
UM, YEAH, SO 42, SO IT WOULD COST OF ABOUT $210 PER SWEEP.
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LABOR ALONE.SO, SO IF WE JUST DO THAT, UM, VARY VERY CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE, UM, IS THAT RIGHT? SO DID YOU DO THAT NUMBER? I DIDN'T, BUT YEAH, IT WOULD BE 4,200 TIMES ABOVE 200.
SO IT'S ABOUT, UM, 900,000 JUST FLAT.
UM, BUT I WOULD GUESS THAT SOME WOULD TAKE MORE THAN AN HOUR.
AND PLUS THERE'S ALL THE DRIVING TIME THAT I SEE ALSO SOME AND WASTE DISPOSAL.
SO IT'S, IT'S ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS TOTAL PER YEAR IN BUDGET.
AND, AND SOME OF THAT WILL BE A BUILTIN, YOU KNOW, COST, BUT SOME OF THAT MAYBE COULD BE SHIFTED TOWARDS SERVICES.
SO IS THERE NOT A BETTER WAY TO, TO GET WHAT THE PD AND THE PUBLIC WORKS COSTS ARE THAN OUR OWN GROUP MATH GROUP MATH? I THINK WE'RE, WE CONTINUE TO WORK ON THAT.
THAT'S OUR INITIAL, UH, ESTIMATE THERE.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE, YEAH, IT'S HARD TO, AND PLUS I KNOW THERE'S OUTSIDE CONTRACTORS INVOLVED TOO, AND THE CONSERVATION COURT DOES SOME ACTIVITIES IN THAT AREA ALSO.
DID YOU HAVE A YEAH, SO IN MY FORMER JOB I USED TO DO A FAIR AMOUNT OF THIS KIND OF CALCULATION.
AND SO ONE THING I POINT OUT IS AT LEAST WHAT I'VE HEARD SO FAR, DOESN'T PROVIDE MONEY TO REDEPLOY.
IF UNLESS YOU CAN REDUCE TIME OF EMPLOYEES, THERE'S NO MONEY, THEY WILL DO OTHER THINGS.
SO YOU HAVE TO, IN ORDER TO CREATE MONEY, IN ORDER TO CREATE THE MONEY, THIS WOULD HAVE TO CREATE THE MONEY WHERE STAFFING COULD BE CHANGED TO MAKE IT ALL WORK.
SO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
AND IF, IF, IF WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING WERE TO BE SIGNIFICANT AND LET'S SAY 50% OF THEIR VOLUME WERE TO GO DOWN, THAT WOULD BE IN A BALLPARK WHERE YOU COULD LOOK AT WHO'S DOING WHAT AND HOW MUCH TIME AND HOW MUCH THEY'RE PAYING AND HOW MUCH OVERTIME YOU'RE PAYING.
CAN YOU REDUCE OVERTIME? DO WE NEED TO HIRE THESE PEOPLE TO DO THIS? COULD THEY BE REDEPLOYED? SO THAT'S, IN MY MIND THE SORT OF THE COMPLEXITY OF THIS.
IT'S NOT SORT OF A ONE-TO-ONE, YOU FREE UP THE MONEY AND THEN IT'S AVAILABLE TO DO THIS BECAUSE YOU'RE STILL, YOU'RE STILL EMPLOYING THOSE PEOPLE.
THEY'RE NOT GOING AWAY FOR THEIR, FOR THEIR TIME.
THEY'RE JUST DOING SOMETHING ELSE WITH THEIR TIME.
SO I THINK THAT'S MY ONLY COMMENT IS, UH, I HAVE TO BE A LITTLE MINDFUL OF, OF THAT IN THE CALCULATIONS.
SO YOU HAVE TO DO ONE OR THE OTHER.
DOES IT LOOK LIKE WE'RE TAKING THE STAFF FROM SOMETHING ELSE ELSE? AND ARE THEY DOING IN SWEEPS OR IS IN SWEEPS MORE LIKE IT'S A SPECIFIC, LIKE THAT'S JUST WHAT YOU DO? WELL, SOME, I MEAN, IT'S MULTI-DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, MULTI-DEPARTMENT.
BUT SO WHAT'S MY, MY AMBITION WOULD BE ARE WE TAKING FROM THOSE DEPARTMENTS LIKE AWAY FROM OTHER WORK AND CREATING THIS? AND IF WE ARE LIKE YEAH, THEN IT COULD BE, I FEEL LIKE IF THAT IS THE CASE, IF IT'S NOT, THEN WE YEAH.
CAN BE MINDFUL ABOUT JUST SO SOME OF THE THOUGHTS AROUND THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE THERE ARE OTHER THINGS POLICE COULD BE DOING THAN BEING A POLICE ESCORT TO CLEAN SWEEPS.
UM, BUT SOME OF THE THOUGHTS ARE, YOU KNOW, COULD THIS BE A 24 7 STAFFED BATHROOM? SO CLEAN SWEEP CREWS, YOU KNOW, ARE NOT CLEARING HUMAN WASTE, BUT RATHER THERE'S A HYGIENIST MAKE AND MORE HUMANE.
THING LIKE PROVIDING A BATHROOM OR YOU KNOW, COULD WE PROVIDE TRASH RECEPTACLES OR COULD WE PROVIDE STORAGE? MAYBE THE STORAGE WOULD BE STEPS.
SO IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT THERE WOULD BE A JOB LOSS, BUT JUST ARE THERE MORE HUMANE APPROACHES THAT BOTH BENEFIT THE PEOPLE EXPERIENCE IN HOMELESSNESS WHERE MAYBE THEY HAVE ACCESS TO A TOILET OR A SHOP
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OR JUST LIKE A JOB OR LIKE A JOB SHIFT? YEAH.WHAT JUST HAPPENED? BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE GENTLEMAN FROM OREGON AND ALSO THE PEOPLE AT CULVER CITY WHEN THEY TALKED ABOUT THEIR SET SAFE CAMPING IS THAT THEY REDIRECTED THE, THE SAVINGS.
MY, MY QUESTION WOULD ALSO BE AROUND LIKE, I KNOW THE PARKS, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THE NAME OF THE COMPANY IS, BUT THERE'S A COMPANY THAT COMES TO OUR PARKS AND PICKS UP FLOWER TRASH.
IT'S PARKWOOD OR AZTECA IS THE ONE BY ME.
BUT I KNOW IN OTHER CITIES WE LIKE STAFF OUR, THEY STAFF PARKS.
LIKE IT WOULD COME FROM LIKE PARKS AND REC BECAUSE SOMEBODY WOULD DO THAT AND EVEN THEY COULD STILL BE CONTRACTED WITH LIKE PARKWAY AND THEY JUST COME PICK UP THE TRASH.
BUT THEY HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE LIKE THAT, LIKE THEIR ROLE IS TO JUST MAINTAIN AS LONG AS THE PARK IS OPEN BECAUSE UM, THOSE FACILITIES AND THAT WOULD BE A JOB SHIFT.
THOSE GUYS DO THE TRASH COLLECTION.
BUT THE, UM, AT LEAST THE UM, MARINE PATROL PEOPLE OR THE MARINE BUREAU PEOPLE, THEY DO THE ACTUAL RESTROOM CLEANUP AND MM-HMM
I FEEL LIKE, I FEEL, YEAH, I FEEL LIKE PARKWOOD WOULD STILL BE THE SAME CONTRACT.
I FEEL LIKE THEY'D STILL COME AND PICK UP THEN LIKE THERE'D BE A PERSON.
'CAUSE SOMETIMES THERE'S PEOPLE AT THE PARK PICKING OF TRACK, BUT SOMETIMES BUT
I FEEL LIKE THAT, AND THAT'S KIND OF THE THOUGHT BEHIND THIS DISCUSSION IS IT BENEFITS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF PEOPLE WITH BUSINESSES AND HOMES IN THE COMMUNITY TO SHIFT PEOPLE IN ENCAMPMENTS, SPRAY THINGS DOWN, CLEAN IT.
BUT IS THERE A WAY IT COULD BENEFIT BOTH OF BEAUTIFYING THE SITE BUT ALSO PROVIDING SERVICES TO THE PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS? SO WHAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION SHOULD WE GET OR WHAT MORE SHOULD WE THINK ABOUT TO CONSIDER? YOU KNOW, IS THIS A DIRECTION WE'D LIKE TO MOVE IN OR NOT WITH OUR RECOMMENDATIONS? WHAT OTHER INFORMATION WOULD YOU LIKE? THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S NOW, BUT AT SOME POINT THE, THE GENTLEMAN THAT PRESENTED THE CLEAN SWEEPS, IT FEELS TO ME LIKE WE NEED, WE, WE WILL NEED MORE INFORMATION ABOUT SORT OF LOGISTICS, STAFFING AND DETAILS AND, AND YOU KNOW, KIND OF WHAT HIS STAFFING IS.
COULD THEY BE REDEPLOYED? COULD THIS APPROACH, UM, WORK OUT? HOW, HOW COULD IT POTENTIALLY WORK OUT? SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S NOW, BUT I, I THINK WHERE WE, IT ALMOST FEELS LIKE WE WOULD NEED, AND I FORGET HIS NAME.
IF WE WERE, IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD, UM, I THINK WE SHOULD ATTEMPT TO ADDRESS NOT ONLY, UM, WASTE RECEPTACLES WHICH ARE LACKING IN CERTAIN AREAS OF THE CITY, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT ARE UM, IMPACTED, THOSE IN TERMS OF HOMELESSNESS.
WE NEED TO HAVE SANITATION FACILITIES FOR PEOPLE TO GO TO.
'CAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS WITH THE ENCAMPMENTS, WHETHER IT BE AT THE LIBRARY OR OTHER COMMUNITIES IN DOWNTOWN OR AT THE RIVER, THAT THERE ISN'T A PLACE FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING OUTDOORS TO GO TO THE BATHROOM.
AND THAT CREATES A, A VERY SERIOUS PROBLEM.
I MEAN, I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY BOTTLES AND BAGS OF HUMAN WASTES I'VE PICKED UP IN MY IN MY DAYS.
IT'S JUST, I APPRECIATE ALL THIS DISCUSSION, BUT IF WE DON'T ADDRESS HUMAN PLUMBING NEEDS, I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE GONNA GO.
I MEAN, DO WE EXPECT 'EM TO GO IN THE, IN THE RECEPTACLES? I, I, I'M NOT REALLY UNDERSTANDING.
AND THAT IS ONE OF THE POTENTIAL DIVERSIONS WE HAD TALKED ABOUT IS 24 7 STAFF TO BATHROOMS. SO KIND OF NEED THE COST OF THAT AND YOU KNOW, HOW THAT WOULD WORK OUT AND IF THAT WOULD MEET THE, SOME OF THE GOALS AND THE NEEDS OF THE CLEAN SWEEPS, UM, IN CHOAL, RIGHT? MM-HMM
I THINK BOTH OF THOSE WILL, YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS GOING TO KEEP IT KIND OF SIMPLE JUST BECAUSE WE KIND OF HAVE TO, AND THAT'S JUST ASKING FOR TWO, TWO THINGS REALLY THAT SHIFT IN, IN ASKING FOR TWO, LIKE A RECEPTACLE AND THAT, SO IT'S BOTH MM-HMM
BUT I DO, I MEAN I DO THINK THAT STAFFING,
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LOOKING AT THE WAY THAT STAFFING, BECAUSE IT'S MULTI DEPART DEPARTMENTS, UM, YOU'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE OTHER STAFFING TOO, LIKE WHOEVER ELSE COMES OUT AND THE IMPACT OF THAT AS WELL.IS THERE ANY OF THAT, LIKE EVALUATION OF IMPACTS ON CLEAN SWEEPS BESIDES LIKE GETTING RID OF TRASH? IS THERE LIKE ANY OTHER IMPACT DATA
THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT WE LOOK LIKE LOOK AT WHEN WE'RE PULLING THESE PROGRAMS. ALSO IN MY PREVIOUS WORK WITH THESE SITUATIONS, IT WOULD, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE NICE IF YOU COULD ARRANGE A PILOT.
SO YEAH, THIS IS A BIG, THIS IS A BIG THING.
A LOT OF MONEY, A LOT OF LOCATIONS.
BUT WHERE, WHERE DO WE HAVE A LOCATION THAT IS LARGE AND FREQUENT AND MIGHT SERVE AS A PILOT? AND THEN WHAT MIGHT YOU DO TO PUT IN PLACE WHERE THE CLEANUP TIME, THE, THE RESOURCES TO DO THIS ARE LESS AND, AND HOW MIGHT THAT BE? COULD YOU DO IT MORE QUICKLY, WHATEVER ELSE.
UM, FEWER PEOPLE QUICKLY, WHATEVER ELSE.
UM, AND UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU RUN A PILOT FOR THREE MONTHS AND SEE, UM, DOES IT, DOES IT WORK? I MEAN THERE IT GETS TO A POINT WHERE THERE'S SO MUCH SORT OF CALCULATIONS THAT IT MAY BE DIRECTIONAL, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW UNTIL YOU TRY IT AND YOU ENCOUNTER BETTER THINGS THAN YOU EXPECTED OR WORSE THINGS THAN YOU EXPECTED.
SO THAT MIGHT BE ANOTHER ASPECT OF THIS IN THE DISCUSSION IS TO TRY TO SEE IF WE CAN MOVE IT TOWARD A PILOT THREE MONTH, WHATEVER, SIX MONTH I LIKE.
I LIKE THAT BECAUSE AS A COMMITTEE, WHILE WE CAN GET SOME BASELINE DATA, I MEAN, WE'RE NOT RUNNING THESE DEPARTMENTS, WE'RE NOT, SO THERE'S, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET INTO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL.
BUT WE CAN SAY WHY NOT TRY PROVIDING YES TOILET FACILITIES IN THE SINK AND A TRASH RECEPTACLE AND MAYBE CUTTING CLEAN SWEEPS BY HALF IN THAT AREA AND SEE IF PROVIDING THE TOILETS AND THE TRASH RECEPTACLE ALLOWS FOR THE CUT BACK.
YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT BASED ON COST.
SO OUR GOAL IS THE, YOU KNOW, HUMANITY, THE TREATING PEOPLE APPROPRIATE.
IS THERE PROACTIVE THINGS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SAID THIS THAT COULD BE DONE THAT WOULD SO SOLVE BOTH PURPOSES BUT BE MORE HUMANE.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL GET A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION BUT MAYBE MOVE IN THE DIRECTION OF, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING AROUND THAT, IF WE ALL AGREE.
IS THERE, ARE THERE ANY MORE SUGGESTIONS? QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS OR STATEMENTS ON THIS ITEM? THAT'S A GOOD IDEA TO COME UP WITH A, I MEAN, A PILOT GENERALLY IS A YEAR, BUT WHATEVER THEY CAN DO.
YEAH, I MEAN EVEN, I MEAN, TO BE FAIR, I MEAN, TO BE FAIR WOULD OPEN IT UP TO LIKE COLLABORATE, COLLABORATING WITH ANOTHER ORGANIZATION THAT MIGHT WANNA TRY A PILOT TOO.
COULD BE A GOOD PART OF, IN TERMS OF, IN TERMS OF DOING A PILOT, IF THEY DON'T WANNA LIKE RE REDIRECT FUNDS AND THEY DON'T WANNA SET IT UP.
'CAUSE LIKE IT'S HARD TO REDIRECT FUNDS AND SET ALL OF THAT UP.
IF A PRIVATE ORGANIZATION WANTED TO DO A PILOT TO SHOW SOME KIND OF NUMBERS OR SOME KIND OF DATA TO PROVIDE THE RESTROOMS AND THE TRASH, YEAH, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD RFPI, I DUNNO HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST, BUT IF THERE WAS A, IF THERE WAS ANOTHER NON-PROFIT THAT WANTED TO SUBMIT A REQUEST FOR THE MAYOR'S FUND.
YEAH, WE ALWAYS LOVE BRINGING THE MAYOR'S FUND INTO THINGS.
WELL I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS, IF THIS WERE TO COST 25 GRAND, 25 GRAND, IT MIGHT BE A GOOD WAY TO SPEND NOW IF IT'S 150 GRAND AND WIPES IT OUT.
NO, I THINK WE ALL APPRECIATE THE VALUE OF TOILETS AND WE WOULD BE GLAD TO FUND A TOILET.
SO I FEEL LIKE OUR LAST CONVERSATION WITH, I MEAN OUR LAST MEETING WITH MAYOR'S FUND WAS REALLY WE TALKING ABOUT MORE OF LIKE PRIORITY, A PRIORITY LIST.
OUR ACTUAL, LIKE THIS IS KIND OF WHAT IT, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
SO DONORS WOULD LIKE THAT TOO.
ANY, ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS? ALRIGHT.
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AND FILING THIS DISCUSSION.ALRIGHT, NEXT ITEM, UM, RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE A DISCUSSION ON THE CITY OF LONG BEACH'S 2025 GOALS TO INCREASE SHELTER BEDS AND RATES.
ALRIGHT, UM, SO THIS, THIS IS A CARRYOVER FROM LAST TIME AND, UM, LAST TIME I THINK WE KIND OF DISCUSSED, YOU KNOW, DOES THE CITY HAVE QUANTITATIVE GOALS? AND WE, WE HAVE, WE'VE HEARD A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT WILL BE COMING ONLINE THROUGH DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCES.
UM, AND WE ALSO HAVE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS FROM LAST YEAR, WHICH CENTERED AROUND, UM, INCREASING THE PERCENTAGE RATE OF WHO IS SHELTERED IN THE CITY.
AND SO WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT DIFFERENT WAYS OF, SHOULD IT BE A PRECISE NUMBER, LIKE THIS NUMBER OF PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE ACCESS TO SHELTER OR SHOULD IT BE A PERCENTAGE? UM, AND I THINK WHAT WE ACTUALLY HEARD IN ONE OF THE PRESENTATIONS ABOUT ADDRESSING THE CHRONICALLY, UH, THE PEOPLE EXPERIENCING CHRONIC HOMELESSNESS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE PUTTING AN EXACT NUMBER IS A CHALLENGE BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE THAT MANY PEOPLE JUST FALL INTO HOMELESSNESS, THEN THAT'S NOT VERY GOOD.
YOU KNOW, THEN YOU KIND OF WIPED OUT YOUR RESULTS.
SO THAT PRESENTATION THAT WE JUST HEARD LAST WEEK MADE ME THINK, OH, WE SHOULD PROBABLY STICK WITH PERCENTAGES AS FAR AS IT WOULD BE GREAT TO SET A GOAL OF TRYING TO SHELTER THIS PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE RATHER THAN A CONCRETE NUMBER.
UM, WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK? ARE YOU LEANING IN THE DIRECTION OF STICKING WITH OUR, OUR PRIOR RECOMMENDATION OF PERCENTAGES OF PEOPLE WHO SHOULD BE SHELTERED? AND SHOULD WE CARRY OVER THAT RECOMMENDATION FROM LAST YEAR? OR MAKE ANY CHANGES TO IT? WHAT WAS THE PERCENTAGE WE WERE RECOMMENDING? I, YEAH, I'M TRYING TO LIKE 40.
I, I, WELL, I THINK IN TWO, WE'D HAVE TO LOOK BACK, BUT I THINK IN TWO YEARS WE WANTED TO INCREASE IT MAYBE TO, IT WAS 40, RIGHT? OVER 30%.
AND THEN I THINK IN LIKE FIVE YEARS IT WAS, GET IT UP TO 40% FROM 27%.
SO IT'S LIKE A GRADUAL, OKAY, TWO YEARS DO THIS AND FIVE YEARS DO THAT.
UM, I, UM, I WOULDN'T SAY A STICK TO PERCENTAGES ONLY BECAUSE WE HAVE A LARGER NUMBER THAN LIKE OTHER COMMUNITIES.
I FEEL LIKE IF WE WERE UNDER LIKE MAYBE 500, WE COULD USE NUMBERS AND IT WOULD HELP.
BUT I FEEL LIKE OUR NUMBERS ARE LARGE AND PLUS THAT'S THE WAY THE HOMELESS COUNT DOES IT, IS THEY, THEY ALMOST DO PERCENTAGES.
YEAH, I THINK YOU HAVE TO BECAUSE THERE'S, THE NUMBERS OF EVERYTHING VARY.
THERE'S PEOPLE, THE PEOPLE COMING IN, PEOPLE GOING OUT.
AND SO THE THE RAW NUMBERS, YOU GET CONFUSED.
IF IT'S A PERCENTAGE, THEN YOU CAN DO THAT FROM YEAR TO YEAR TO YEAR.
THE THING I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THOUGH IS WHAT IS THE NUMBER OF SHELTER BEDS FOR ANY GIVEN PRIOR YEAR? SO LIKE 2024.
WHAT? 'CAUSE I HAVE BEEN UNSUCCESSFUL IN ASKING WHEN I ASKED THAT QUESTION, I I DON'T FIND AN ANSWER.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER IS.
UM, SO, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE WITH OUR HOMELESS COUNT, THE NUMBER SORT OF, IT, IT, IT FLUCTUATES.
IT'S NOT, YOU WOULD THINK IT WOULD ALWAYS GO UP, BUT IT, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY DO THAT.
SO, UM, I GUESS IF WE KNEW WHAT THE NEW NUMBER OF SHELTER BEDS WERE IN THE CITY IN PRIOR YEARS, I MEAN, DOES SOMEBODY KNOW THAT? I'M SURE THEY CAN GET THE NUMBER, THE NUMBER OF SHELTER BEDS IS GONNA VARY BASED OFF, LET'S SAY ONE BED GOES OFFLINE BECAUSE SOMETHING HAPPENS OR THERE'S A REMODEL.
SO THERE WILL BE A FLUCTUATION OF SORTS, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA BE A LARGE NUMBER DEPENDING ON THE PROGRAM, RIGHT? SO SHELTER SITES OURSELVES THAT WE, THAT WE RUN WELL, THAT WE MANAGE.
I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ABC 7 0 2, THAT ALONE.
AND THEN IF WE HAVE INCLEMENT WEATHER, THEN AT THAT POINT, THAT'S A SHELTER BED IN ITSELF.
BUT I MEAN, WE COULD LOOK AT I SUPPOSE WHAT THAT BASE NUMBER WAS A YEAR IN THE PAST, BUT IT IS NOT GONNA BE LIKE A, AN ACTUAL NUMBER 'CAUSE IT CHANGES.
BUT, BUT WHAT'S THE CAPACITY THEN? I UNDERSTAND VACANCIES AND, AND OCCUPANCY RATES.
THEY, THEY FLUCTUATE, BUT WHAT, WHAT IS THE CAPACITY? WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? THE CAPACITY OF, OF SHELTER BEDS IS THE BALLPARK.
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AVERAGE LIKE A THOUSAND SHELTER BEDS AVAILABLE.WE KNOW IT FLUCTUATES A LITTLE BIT.
WELL, BUT IT'S THAT, THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT THERE'S CITY OWNED SHELTER AND THEN THERE'S ALL THE OTHER SHELTERS.
SO WE CAN'T GET THE NUMBER OF ALL THE OTHER SHELTERS, BUT WE CAN GET THE NUMBER YOU GET CITY.
AND THEN I DO KNOW THE CITY NUMBERS, BUT WHEN WE DO THE HOMELESS COUNT, THERE'S THIS, THERE'S ALWAYS A NUMBER ASSOCIATED WITH SHELTERED INDIVIDUALS.
AND I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHERE THOSE SHELTERS AND WHAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE.
I MEAN, WE CAN LOOK AT THE HOMELESS COUNT AND THEN THAT NIGHT TELL YOU HOW MANY SHELTER BEDS THERE ARE OR WOULD, IT WOULDN'T BE THAT NIGHT BECAUSE THEY DO THE SPECIALIZED COUNT A FEW DAYS BEFORE.
BUT WE CAN GET YOU A BALLPARK NUMBER OF WHAT THE SHELTER BEDS ARE.
BUT ONCE AGAIN, THAT CHANGES BASED OFF CAPACITY, OCCUPANCY RATE.
SO I MEAN, WE'RE USUALLY AT ABOUT 90, I THINK THEY SAID 97%.
I MEAN, I'M LISTENING TO THE SAME PRESENTATIONS YOU GUYS ARE, BUT YEAH, IT'S, IT'S HARD TO DEFINE WHAT IS AVAILABLE WITHIN THE CITY BECAUSE SOME PROGRAMS COME ONLINE, SOME PROGRAMS GET OFFLINE.
UM, BUT WE CAN LOOK AT WHAT THE CITY BED RATE IS.
NOT BED RATE, BUT BED NUMBER IS, AND THEN GO FROM THERE.
PRIOR TO THE PANDEMIC SEVERAL YEARS AGO, UM, THERE WAS A DOCUMENT THAT ACTUALLY LISTED DIFFERENT SHELTERS, PRIVATE CITY, OTHER NONPROFITS, AND, AND IT ACTUALLY HAD NAMES TO THEM AND THEIR CAPACITIES.
DO WE HAVE A TABLE LIKE THAT? 'CAUSE I HAVE NOT SEEN ONE.
BUT THERE'S THE 2 1 1 DOES THAT.
THERE'S ALSO, WE HAVE A UNITE US THAT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL IF WE, THAT YOU CAN CLICK ON.
UM, WE HAVE ALSO A RESOURCE GUIDE.
I MEAN, NOTHING FOR SHELTER ITSELF, BUT IT, THERE ARE LIKE DIFFERENT OPTIONS OF RESOURCES, BUT YOU CAN CALL UNITE OR WE HAVE A, IT'S LIKE A 2 1 1 NUMBER, BUT SPECIFICALLY FOR LONG BEACH THAT YOU COULD CALL AND BE CONNECTED TO A SHELTER.
IS IT GONNA BE AT CAPACITY AT THAT TIME? IT MIGHT BE, BUT IT, THERE ARE METHODS AND THERE IS WAY OF LOOKING AT IT, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE OFFHAND AT THAT POINT.
DOUG, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? IF WE'RE GONNA DO THAT, I WOULD, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO GO BACK IN TIME BECAUSE IT, TO ME, IT FEELS LIKE THE, THE SHELTER BEDS ARE BEING ADDED AND, BUT I DON'T HAVE A SENSE OF WHEN THEY'RE COMING ON ONES THAT MAY HAVE CHANGED FROM, YOU KNOW, WINTER TO YEAR ROUND.
BUT IT FEELS TO ME LIKE THERE HAVE BEEN ADDITIONS AND WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE ARE TO CONTINUE.
SO I LIKE GRAPHS, YOU KNOW, SO WHAT WAS THE NUMBER 10 YEARS AGO AND EACH YEAR AFTERWARDS, WHAT IS OUR NUMBER OF, OF BEDS? AND, AND I WOULD BE OKAY WITH JUST THE CITY PIECE OF IT.
I KNOW THE OTHER PIECE IS JUST HARD, BUT THE CITY PIECE WE CAN CONTROL TO A DEGREE.
WE CAN MANAGE THAT AND ADD BEDS AND WHATEVER ELSE.
BUT I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT.
AND THEN WE HEARD, UH, THIS GUY ASKED ABOUT THE NORTH LONG BEACH LOCATION THAT'S OPENING THE, THE MOTEL UP THERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THAT ADDS 80 BEDS TO THE COUNT AND, BUT THAT'S NOT GONNA BE NECESSARILY SHELTER.
I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT THEY WERE GONNA BE INTERIM.
I MEAN INTERIM HOUSING IT, IT'S A DIFFERENT O OKAY, WELL, I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S ANOTHER PIECE OF MY THINKING ON THIS IS THIS GETS ME CONFUSED.
SO I BELIEVE WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN IS THEY WOULD PROVIDE INTERIM HOUSING FOR PEOPLE ALREADY IN SHELTERS.
BUT YES, THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY COMING FROM, NOT ALL OF THEM WOULD NECESSARILY COME FROM A SHELTER.
SO I MEAN, IT, IT DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU'RE LOCATED.
UH, SO IF THERE'S A NEED, THEN YOU WOULD BE PLACED INTO AN INTERIM SHELTER SITE.
OH, SO INTERIM SH SO INTERIM SHELTER I SEE.
BEFORE GOING INTO THE SHELTER.
SO NECESSARILY THERE'S A, THERE'S AN INTERIM HOUSING, CORRECT.
SO TYPICALLY WE SEE MOVEMENTS ONE NIGHT THE OTHER NIGHT AN INTERIM, LIKE A LUXURY IN OR A BEST WESTERN.
YOU DON'T SEE THAT MANY MOVEMENTS.
PEOPLE TEND TO STAY THERE FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME.
THEY'RE MEDIUM TERM RESIDENTS AS OPPOSED TO JUST A NIGHTLY.
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SO LET ME STEP BACK ON THIS THOUGH.'CAUSE I, THIS CONFUSES ME THAT, SO THE, THE NEW LOCATION IS AN INTERIM SHELTER HOUSING OR HOUSING, LONG TERM HOUSING.
IS IT FOR SHELTER FOLKS TO GO INTO A TRANSITION TO LONG TERM HOUSING? IT, IT REALLY DEPENDS, DOUG, ON THE INDIVIDUAL.
I'VE, I'VE SEEN PEOPLE STAY IN MOTELS FOR WELL OVER A YEAR AND 'CAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE ELSE TO GO.
PART OF THE REASON I ASK THAT, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE MOVING PEOPLE FROM, ARE PEOPLE COMING FROM THE STREETS TO THIS FACILITY? OR ARE THEY SHIFTING FROM OUR EXISTING FACILITIES TO THIS FACILITY AND THEN THEY'RE BEING BACKFILLED BY PEOPLE FROM THE STREETS? IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S GONNA CREATE 80 MORE BEDS, HOWEVER THE SHIFTING OCCURS.
IT'S GONNA ADD 80 BEDS AND REDUCE THE UNSHELTERED BY POTENTIALLY BY 80, RIGHT? HOPEFULLY.
BUT YES,
YOU WOULD HOPE TO SEE A, A, A DROP OF 80 OF HOMELESS.
EITHER PEOPLE MOVING FROM ONE SHELTER SITUATION TO THIS AND THEN THAT CREATES SPACE OR, OR COMING OFF THE STREETS AND DOING THIS.
SO AGAIN, I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS.
AND CAN I ADD ONE MORE THING? MM-HMM
SO OFFLINE, I ALSO DID SOME NOODLING WITH PAUL AND COPIED FOLKS AND, AND I GOT A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED, BUT THE, TO ME IT APPEARS THE CITY IS PROJECTING ACTIONS THAT COULD HAVE PERCENTAGE REDUCTIONS OF UNSHELTERED.
AND IT'S, TO ME, IT'S JUST A CALCULATE.
THERE'S, THERE'S A POINT AT WHICH WE COULD DO A POTENTIAL CALCULATION.
OKAY? SO IF THE, AND I THINK IT'S OFF OF THE HOMELESS COUNT, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S, YOU'D HAVE TO ASSUME THE HOMELESS ACCOUNT IS GONNA BE STEADY.
IT'S NOT GONNA INCREASE FOR OTHER REASONS, SORT OF IN ALL FACTORS, THE SAME.
IF WE ADD 80 SHELTER BEDS, WE ARE GOING TO REDUCE THE UNSHELTERED BY 80, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA REDUCE THE HOMELESS BY 80.
IT'S JUST THE UNSHELTERED BY 80.
SIMILARLY, THE CITY IS WORKING ON THE, OH, WHAT IS IT CALLED? ONE THE PRESENTATION WHERE YOU WENT OFFSITE AND, AND HAD OH, BUILT TO ZERO.
AND BUILT TO ZERO WAS PROJECTED TO HAVE A 10%, WHICH WOULD'VE HAD A, AGAIN, DEPENDING 10% OF WHAT THAT WOULD HAVE A PROJECTED DECREASE.
TO BE CHRONIC TO BECOME HOUSED.
TO NOT BE COUNTED AS HOMELESS.
THOSE FOLKS THAT DO THAT CREATE AN ADDITIONAL 170 BEDS BECAUSE THESE ARE FOLKS THAT ARE ALREADY IN SHELTERS.
BY AND LARGE, I NO, THE CHRONIC ARE NOT.
'CAUSE THE, THE CHRONIC ARE, ARE THE PEOPLE WE SEE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY FOR THE MOST PART.
BUT IT WOULD INCREASE THE SHELTERED RATE.
WHICH IS
BUT I THINK WE'D HAVE, I WANNA FIND THEM OUT BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE IN THESE SHELTERS FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS AND MONTHS, NINE MONTHS, SIX MONTHS, SEVEN MONTH AVERAGE AND LONGER.
THEY, SOME OF THEM, MANY OF THEM MAY FIT THE CATEGORY OF BEING CHRONIC.
AND SO THOSE LONG TERMERS, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW IT WORKS, IF THEY WERE TO MOVE INTO THIS, THIS HOUSING PROVIDED BY THE 170, THAT WOULD DECREASE OUR HOMELESS RATE AND IT WOULD CREATE CAPACITY TO TAKE PEOPLE OFF THE STREETS.
IT, IT, IT WOULD DECREASE THE HOMELESSNESS RATE AND THEN IT COULD ALSO DECREASE THE UNSHELTERED RATE BY OPENING UP.
WELL, AND OUR RECOMMENDATIONS LAST YEAR WERE SPECIFICALLY AROUND SHELTERING PEOPLE.
SO IT WOULD, IT WOULD HELP MOVE THE CITY TOWARDS THAT GOAL OF INCREASING THE RATE THAT THOSE WHO ARE SHELTERED.
SO WE'VE GOT 70 OR 80 WITH ONE.
WE'VE GOT 170 OR PART OF 170 WITH A, HEY, HOLD ON, HANG IN THERE.
I KNOW THIS IS ALL I, I UNDERSTAND THIS IS ALL DEPENDS UPON THIS AND DEPENDS
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UPON THAT AND I'M MAKING ASSUMPTIONS, BUT AT SOME POINT YOU GOTTA PUT SOME OF THESE THINGS ON PAPER AND SORT OF, SORT OF PROJECT WITH IT.UM, THEN PAUL TALKS ABOUT, UM, TALKED ABOUT 171 NEW BEDS COMING ONLINE BECAUSE OF THE PROJECT HOME KEY 175 NEW BEDS THIS YEAR.
NEXT YEAR WE WILL HAVE TWO PROJECT HOME KEY SITES THAT THE COUNTY PURCHASED HERE IN LONG BEACH THAT WILL BE OPEN.
THOSE TWO PROJECTS WILL CREATE AROUND 175 NEW UNITS OF PERMANENT SUPPORTING HOUSING.
THAT'S HIS EMAIL HE SENT AND COPIED US BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE THE HOLIDAY INN AND THE MOTEL SIX.
AND THAT, THOSE AREN'T, THAT, THOSE NUMBERS.
AND PLUS I DON'T THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GONNA COME ONLINE THIS YEAR.
WELL, AGAIN, FORGET ALL THE IS.
WHEN ARE THEY COMING? ARE THEY GOING TO PROVIDE HOUSING AND DECREASE THE HOMELESSNESS, WHICH WOULD THEN CREATE CAPACITY TO DECREASE THE UNSHELTERED? OR ARE THEY GOING TO DECREASE JUST THE UNSHELTERED? AND IN MY MIND, THESE ARE NUMBERS THAT ARE, IF EVERYTHING WORKED AND CAME ONLINE, YOU'RE GETTING SOME PRETTY, PRETTY SIGNIFICANT PERCENTAGE REDUCTIONS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, FOR THIS, UH, YOU WOULD NEED TO, I WOULD NEED TO KNOW WHAT'S THE NUMBER OF HOMELESS, UH, UNSHELTERED IN THE, IN THE COUNT IT WAS, WAS IT 1,707? OKAY, SO OH FIVE, THERE WAS A 911 SHELTER, RIGHT? 27% OF 3,376, CORRECT? I DON'T KNOW TELLING YOU, SO NO.
WE, WE WORKED OFF OF AN UNSHELTERED NUMBER.
SO WAS THAT 1700? SO SUPPOSEDLY WE HAVE 2,385.
2,385 UNSHELTERED IN 2024 IN THE, IN THE HOMELESS COUNT, ACCORDING TO THE HOMELESS COUNTY.
SO I, I, SO, BUT I NEVER KNOW.
THAT'S WHY I, I WOULD, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT OLD TABLE.
I NEVER KNOW HOW PEOPLE IN THEIR CARS ARE COUNTED.
AND I, I DON'T KNOW HOW PEOPLE WHO, SOMETIMES PEOPLE I KNOW WHO SOMETIMES COUCH SURF, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE HALF THE TIME, THEY'RE INDOORS, HALF THE TIME THEY'RE OUTDOORS.
UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE COUNTED.
I KNOW THAT WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE LIVING IN THEIR CARS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE IN THIS NUMBER OR IF THEY'RE IN THE 911.
AND AGAIN, DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION? AS LONG AS IT'S COUNTED THE SAME WAY EVERY YEAR.
THE COUNT MAY BE OFF BECAUSE OF PEOPLE IN CARS, BUT AS LONG AS IT'S COUNTED THE SAME WAY EVERY YEAR, YOU CAN COMPARE YEAR TO YEAR IN THIS KIND OF METHODOLOGY.
IF YOU CHANGE THE METHODOLOGY AND YOU COUNT THE PEOPLE IN THE CARS, THEN YOU WOULD ADD NUMBERS TO IT AND GOING FORWARD YOU WOULD'VE, THESE ADDED NUMBERS, I DON'T REMEMBER.
SO A COUPLE OF THINGS FOR THE CAR, BUT I WILL SAY COUCH SURFING IS NOT CONSIDERED UNSHELTERED.
UM, SO THAT ONE WOULD NOT BE IN THE UNSHELTERED NUMBER.
WOULD PEOPLE GET COUNTED ON THE STREETS IF THEY SAY THEY COUCH SURF COUCH SURFING? YES.
CAN I, IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU SPENT THE NIGHT LAST NIGHT AT YOUR FRIEND'S HOUSE, YOU'RE NOT CONSIDERED UNSHELTERED.
SO, TO MOVE ON, NOW THAT I HAVE THE UNSHELTERED, AND WITH THIS DISCUSSION, I'LL PUT, I, I'LL CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION THE EMAIL WITH, WITH PAUL AND CLARIFY THESE 175 BEDS COMING ONLINE AND TRY TO PUT TOGETHER SOME POTENTIAL CALCULATIONS FOR WHAT THESE PERCENTAGES MIGHT BE.
AND THE GOAL IN MY MIND WOULD BE AT SOME POINT TO HAVE PAUL, MAYBE HE'LL BE AT THE NEXT MEETING, WE CAN KIND OF GO OVER EACH OF THESE PIECES, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WILL THE 175, WHAT IS THAT? AND WILL IT HAPPEN AND WHAT WILL IT DO? AND MAYBE SOME OF THESE NUMBERS WILL TWEAK, BUT I THINK IN THE END THERE'S GONNA BE A PERCENTAGE OF, OF SHELTERED AND A PERCENTAGE OF HOMELESS IMPROVEMENT ON, ON BOTH.
AND, AND I AGREE WITH YOUR APPROACH THAT IT'S KIND OF OUR ROLE TO CHECK IN.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE MADE THIS RECOMMENDATION OF LET, LET'S SET A CITYWIDE GOAL.
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ELECTED OFFICIALS.SO IS OUR GOAL TO CHECK IN AND SEE, YOU KNOW, HIGHER THAN WHAT I NUMERICAL.
AND PAM, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD? 2, 4, 5 5 IN SHELTER.
I WAS GONNA ASK, UM, I WAS GONNA ASK JULIE, DO YOU REMEMBER IF THAT LIST PRIOR TO COVID WITH ALL THE, THE NAME SHELTERS, THE NEEDS OF SHELTERS, WAS IT CITY GENERATED OR WAS IT GENERATED BY IT WAS THE TOTAL, I WANNA SAY IT WAS PART OF THE CITY REPORT.
STEPHANIE, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.
AND YOU KNOW, JULIE, JULIE HAS REFERENCED LIKE EVERY YEAR IN THE HOMELESS COUNT, THERE IS THIS KIND OF LIST OF HOW MANY SHELTER BEDS.
AND SHE SAID SHE'S NOT SURE WHAT'S INCLUDED IN THAT.
WHAT CAN WE MAKE AN ASSUMPTION THAT THE CITY HAS COUNTED TO THE BEST OF ITS ABILITY? BOTH, YOU KNOW, CITY SHELTER BUTS AS WELL AS PRIVATE AND THE, AND THAT'S WHAT THAT NUMBER REFLECTS.
IT'S JUST THAT YEAH, I MEAN, PARTNERED AGENCIES, I WOULD ASSUME THAT YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, I WORKED ON THE TAY UH, SHELTER.
SO WE WOULD REACH OUT TO THE GOOD SEED AND SEE WHO THEY HAD.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S A SAFE PARKING AT LBCC.
SO WE WOULD REACH OUT TO THEM AS WELL.
AND THEN THEY WOULD COUNT SOMEBODY OR COUNT THE CAR THAT, THAT NIGHT.
SO YES, WITH OUR PARTNERED AGENCIES, BUT THERE'S ALSO A BUNCH OF ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE PROBABLY NOT PARTNERED.
IT'S HARD TO ASSUME, BUT YOU WOULD THINK I WOULD LEAN A LITTLE BIT MORE TO IT.
SO, SO THAT NUMBER IN THE HOMELESS COUNT INCLUDES ANY AGENCIES ARE ABLE 7 86 IN CARS.
WOULD IT BE HELPFUL TO, AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THIS IS JUST LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, TO GET A HOLD OF LIKE, BUSINESS LICENSING TO GET A LIST OF, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE TO REGISTER LIKE THAT OR NO.
BECAUSE BECAUSE SHARED LIVING SOBER, WE'RE LIVING HALFWAY HOUSES.
THEY DON'T NEED, THEY DON'T NEED LIKE A, YOU DON'T NEED A LICENSE? NO.
ANY, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS TOPIC? AND IT, IT'S SOMETHING WE'LL OBVIOUSLY KEEP REVISITING AND I'LL, I'LL START A DISCUSSION.
I'LL CRANK OUT SOME MORE NUMBERS AND COPY EVERYBODY AND RIGHT.
AND, AND THAT WILL IN LOOP AND CALL AND MAYBE THEY CAN ACTUALLY YEAH, YOU CAN SEND IT TO THEM AND THEY WILL SEND IT TO US.
WE CAN'T HAVE EMAILS OH, OKAY.
UM, DON'T COMMIT ANY, YOU KNOW, MISDEMEANORS OR ANYTHING
UM, BUT WE WILL HAVE THIS DISCUSSION NEXT TIME AS WE LOOK AT, DO WE NEED TO UPDATE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS AS FAR AS PERCENTAGES? OR ARE WE GONNA HOLD STEADY AND SAY, THIS IS THE GOAL, THIS IS THE NUMBER.
SO YOUR, YOUR WORK ON THAT IS APPRECIATED.
UM, I NOTICED WE HAD A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC JOIN US.
SHOULD WE ASK FOR A PUBLIC COMMENT? WE ALSO NEED A MOTION.
I DON'T THINK WE GOT A MOTION.
UH, INSTEAD AND THE, IS IT TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT OR YES.
ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WISH TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM OF
UM, SO OUR NEXT ITEM IS RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE A DISCUSSION ON THE PLANNED OUTREACH INITIATIVES AND PROGRAMS SPECIFICALLY TARGETED AT OLDER ADULTS EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS.
UM, THIS WAS, THIS WAS NOT MY AGENDA.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION THAT THEY'D LIKE TO SHARE ON THIS? OR ANY QUESTIONS FOR THAT? WE CAN SEEK FURTHER INFORMATION.
WAIT, THERE'S A PLANNED OUTREACH IN THIS INITIATIVE AND PROGRAM.
SO WHAT KIMBERLY HAD SAID IN, IN I THINK TWO MEETINGS AGO, SHE WOULD LIKE MORE INFORMATION ON ANY TARGETED OUTREACH TO OLDER ADULTS EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS.
'CAUSE SHE HAS A SPECIAL INTEREST IN THAT POPULATION.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, SHE HAD COMES SAID, LET'S, LET'S HAVE A DISCUSSION.
IS THERE ANY PARTICULAR OUTREACH? UM, STEPHANIE AND JENNIFER, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW OF ANY TARGETED PROGRAMS FOR THIS POPULATION.
I, I FEEL LIKE LAST WEEK THOUGH, WHEN WE HAD THE BUILT TO ZERO DISCUSSION AND I, I DID BRING UP SENIORS AND YEAH, THAT'S LIKE SENIORS THAT ARE CHRONIC, LIKE CHRONICALLY HOMELESS AND THERE'S A LOT OF SENIORS THAT ARE CHRONICALLY.
SO I FEEL LIKE WE'RE GONNA COVER IT AND THAT WOULD BE LIKE THE FIRST TOPIC.
MAYBE WE COULD, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THAT'S LIKE A, THAT'S A LARGE POPULATION WITHIN THAT POPULATION.
I MEAN, CURIOUS IN THESE INITIATIVES, HOW MUCH DO THEY IMPACT THESE PO SUBPOPULATION? MAYBE PAUL COULD IN THE FUTURE COULD TALK ABOUT THAT, UM, TO SORT OF GET A SENSE OF HOW MANY, I DON'T THINK I'VE HEARD SPECIFIC TARGETED PROGRAMS SO FAR FOR THE ELDERLY, BUT THE PROGRAMS HAPPENING DO
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HAVE AN EFFECT ON THAT.I, I KNOW I RESEARCHED LAST YEAR TO SEE WHICH POPULATIONS ARE DISPROPORTIONATELY AFFECTED.
I KNOW THERE MAY BE AN INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF OLDER INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS, BUT THEY WERE NOT KIND OF DISPROPORTIONATELY REPRESENTED AMONGST THOSE.
IT IS MORE LIKE L-G-B-T-Q INDIVIDUALS, UM, BLACK INDIVIDUALS THAT HAD, AND ACTUALLY MEN AS OPPOSED TO WOMEN.
EXPERIENCED HOMELESSNESS AT LIKE DISPROPORTIONATE RATES.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS? SO, SO DO WE WANT TO SORT OF WRAP, SAY WE DON'T KNOW OF ANYTHING TO ANSWER THIS SPECIFICALLY? OR DO WE WANT TO WAIT FOR PAUL TO CONFIRM? I WOULD WAIT FOR I, YEAH, I DON'T, OKAY.
YEAH, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT I, I WANNA SAY THAT THERE HAS BEEN ACTIONS TOWARDS SENIORS, BUT I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD FALL UNDER OUR PURVIEW FOR, IT'S THROUGH ANOTHER ORGANIZATION.
I MEAN, THE GREAT PANTHERS MENTIONED A FEW THINGS, BUT I WOULD WAIT FOR PAUL FOR, FOR THE GUIDANCE.
UM, DO YOU NEED TO DO PUBLIC COMMENT? YES.
ALRIGHT, NEXT AGENDA ITEM RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE A DISCUSSION ON THE WINTER SHELTER UPDATES.
LAURIE, ANY DISCUSSION QUESTIONS? POINTS OF INTEREST? UM, I CAN JUST REPEAT FROM LAST WEEK.
IF WE COULD GET IT OPEN EARLIER.
OUR, OUR GOALS THIS YEAR TO OPEN EARLIER BE AWESOME.
IT FELT, IT, IT FELT LIKE TO ME LAST YEAR I FELT LIKE I WAS A LITTLE, I WAS NEW.
IT WAS BRAND NEW, SO I FELT LIKE I WAS A LITTLE MORE AWARE OF WHAT WAS GOING ON THIS YEAR, YOU KNOW, AND THERE WAS DISCUSSION THIS YEAR SEEMED TO SORT OF COME OUT AND THEN IT JUST SORT OF CAME OUT.
AND THEN I THINK IT THIS YEAR BECAUSE IT OPENED LATER THAN, THAN PRIOR YEARS.
I, I'M NOT SURE IF THE HOLIDAYS IMPACTED ISRAEL.
YOU WOULD THINK THERE WOULD BE PRE-DISCUSSION ABOUT IT, WHAT IT IS, WHEN IT'S GOING TO BE IN THE FALL.
DID WE HAVE THAT THIS YEAR? SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK TO ME, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION IS IS PRE-PLANNING AGENDA IN SEPTEMBER.
AND WHAT ARE THE PLANS WHERE, HOW MANY, UM, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.
I I'M STARTING TO SENSE A TREND THAT I I, OR LIKE, SOMETHING THAT I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD DISCUSS MORE AND GET MORE INFORMATION ON, UM, IS THAT WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT RFPS AND HOW MANY, YOU KNOW, WE HEARD PAUL SAY IN THE MEETING, UM, IT WAS VERY HARD TO WORK THROUGH CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS OR, OR TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO OPEN A WINTER SHELTER.
WE'VE HEARD THAT IN PRIOR YEARS THAT THERE WERE, YOU KNOW, CHALLENGES WITH THE SERVICE PROVIDERS WITH THE CONTRACT.
WE'VE HEARD THERE'S NOT A BIG RESPONSE TO CITY RFPS.
SO THAT RAISES A BROADER QUESTION FOR ME OF, YOU KNOW, IT, ARE THERE NOT ENOUGH SERVICE PROVIDERS? IS THE FUNDING, YOU KNOW, LOW? AND CAN ANYTHING BE LIKE, WHAT, WHAT IS THE CAUSE OF THE LACK OF RESPONSE? IS IT NOT COMPETITIVE? IS IT NOT COMPETITIVE? AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOBODY'S FAULT, BUT LIKE, IS THERE ANY WAY THE CITY COULD BOOST THOSE RESPONSES? SO IT'S TO GET A BETTER RESPONSE TO GET THINGS OPEN MORE QUICKLY.
SO I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE ISSUE THERE AND IS THERE ANYTHING THAT CAN BE DONE ABOUT IT? MM-HMM
AND IF YOU, IF YOU, FOR THESE SORTS OF THINGS, IF YOU START TALKING ABOUT IT EARLY, THESE QUESTIONS COME UP AND THEN YOU FIND OUT AT THE NEXT MEETING WHAT, WHAT IS BEING DONE TO ADDRESS YOUR QUESTIONS THAT COME UP RATHER THAN HAVING IT DONE AFTER THE FACT.
AND MAYBE, UM, IF WE DO THAT, THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT OTHER WAYS OF PROVIDING THE SERVICES NEEDED AT A WINTER SHELTER.
UH, WHETHER IT BE COLLABORATIONS WITH THE MANY, MANY, MANY NON-PROFITS IN IN OUR CITY THAT DO VARIOUS SERVICES FOR THE HOMELESS.
UM, AND WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO, TO HELP THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE WINTER SHELTER.
I FEEL LIKE, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE HEADING THAT WAY.
WE NEED MORE, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE'RE, I FEEL LIKE WITH THE HELP OF, YOU KNOW, UM, THE COMMISSION AND THE COMMUNITIES AND ORGANIZATIONS AND EFFORTS OUT THERE, I FEEL LIKE IT'S, IT'S MOVED A LITTLE BIT.
I MISSED A MEETING WITH CITY FABRIC, BUT I FEEL LIKE, I DON'T KNOW.
I I WAS JUST AT THE SHELTER A COUPLE
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OF DAYS OF, IT'S, I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY NICE IF WE HAD, UM, A WAY FOR SOME OF OUR, UM, FAITH-BASED ORGANIZATIONS AND OTHER NONPROFITS TO COME AND PROVIDE SERVICES.BECAUSE SOME OF, SOMETIMES, I DON'T KNOW WHY I'M NOT POINTING ANY FINGERS.
I'M NOT, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT THE SHELTER OPERATORS NEED ANY MORE MONEY.
I AM DEFINITELY NOT SAYING THAT.
I, I'M NOT A PROPONENT OF THAT BECAUSE I DON'T FEEL THAT THE MONEY IS THE ISSUE.
UM, BUT I DO FEEL, I, I MEAN, I GET CALLS FOR PEOPLE WHO NEED BLANKETS.
I GET CALLS FOR PEOPLE WHO, WHO NEED LIKE, BASIC NEEDS GOING INTO THE SHELTER.
AND, AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE NONPROFITS AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS WHO WOULD BE HAPPY TO BE THE WELCOME CENTER.
YOU KNOW, IF, IF THE SHELTER PROVIDER CAN'T HIRE ENOUGH STAFF FOR WHATEVER REASON, UM, THERE ARE PEOPLE WILLING AND ABLE WITH INVENTORY OF STUFF, UM, WHO ARE, WHO ARE HAPPY TO DO IT.
AND WE JUST NEED TO SORT OF CREATE A WAY FOR, FOR ALL OF US TO BE MORE INTENTIONAL IN, IN THE WAYS THAT WE TRY TO HELP PEOPLE.
'CAUSE I FEEL LIKE THAT'S LIKE OUR ON US TOO, IN THE COMMUNITY, LIKE DOING CALLS TO ACTION AND BEING MORE COLLABORATIVE.
BUT YOU CAN'T REALLY DO THAT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UM, IF YOU OFFER THE STAFF AT THE SHELTER SOMETIMES DEPENDING ON WHO'S ON DUTY, UM, THEY'LL TELL YOU THAT THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE AUTHORITY TO ACCEPT THAT STUFF AND, AND THEY WILL TURN YOUR WAY.
SO, SO WE NEED TO TO BE, LIKE I SAID, MORE INTENTIONAL AND, UM, IF, IF THERE ARE ORGANIZATIONS WILLING AND ABLE TO HELP, I THINK WE SHOULD WELCOME THEIR, THEIR THEIR HELP, RIGHT? INSTEAD OF TALKING ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE DON'T HAVE MORE SHELTER OPERATORS.
HOWEVER, I DO BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO BETTER HELP THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN OUR SHELTERS.
YOU KNOW, IT SHOULDN'T BE ACCEPTABLE THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE IN SHELTERS FOR A YEAR OR LONGER.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME, UM, WHAT IS IT? UH, A CLOG IN THE DRAIN OR WHATEVER, UH, IN THE SYSTEM.
UH, WE, WE, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HELP INDIVIDUALS MOVE FORWARD IF THAT'S WHAT OUR SHELTER SYSTEM IS SUPPOSED TO DO.
RIGHT? AND IF, IF THERE'S BARRIERS TO DIFFERENT THINGS, THEN YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO ADDRESS THEM.
AND, AND WE NEED TO, UM, UTILIZE OUR COMMUNITY, OUR GENEROUS BIG COMMUNITY.
I DID DIRECT, I DID DIRECT NOT TOO LONG AGO, AN ORGANIZATION THAT DROPPED OFF PALLETS OF BLANKETS.
OH, THOSE ONES IN, IN THE HOTEL.
DID THEY GET USED? YEAH, I THINK SO.
THERE WAS A LOT TO, THEY WERE LIKE REALLY COMFY.
IT'S MORE OF THOSE ACTIONS WOULD BE GREAT.
AND I'LL JUST SAY, SO FOR LIKE OUR COC BOARD, THAT'S USUALLY WHERE WE HAD FAITH-BASED WORK.
UH, FAITH, FAITH LEADERS JOIN THE BOARD.
SO I MEAN, IF YOU KNOW OF ANY ORGANIZATIONS AS WE TRY TO, YOU KNOW, ADD ADDITIONAL COLLABORATION EFFORTS, YOU KNOW, TALK TO OUR FAITH-BASED COMMUNITY.
I KNOW THAT TWO YEARS AGO I HAD AN EVENT WHERE I INVITED ALL THE FAITH-BASED ORGANIZATIONS TO ONE MEETING SITE AND PROVIDED ALL THESE ADDITIONAL OPTIONS AND EVEN BROUGHT FORTH MAYOR'S FUND AND SAID THERE'S AVAILABLE FUNDING IF YOU GUYS WANNA PUT FORTH A PROGRAM.
UM, BUT YEAH, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE COLLABORATION WITH STAFF, BUT AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH HAS TO BE THERE AS WELL.
SO JUST BRINGING UP THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A COC BOARD, UH, OPENING.
SO IF YOU KNOW OF ANYBODY THEY'RE TAKING APPLICATION OH TWO OPENINGS, TWO, THERE'S TWO TWO OPENINGS.
WE DO NEED THE APPLICATIONS BY TONIGHT.
SO IT'S A SHORT LITTLE WINDOW.
BUT YOU KNOW,
SO HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, BUT IF YOU CAN THINK OF ANYBODY, BY ALL MEANS, PLEASE GO AHEAD AND INVITE THEM.
AND MAYBE THE QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, FROM WHAT CITY STAFF SEE FROM WHAT CURRENT SHELTER OPERATIONS SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE NEEDS OR ARE THERE SOME GAPS THAT COMMUNITY GROUPS CAN CONTRIBUTE? AND MAYBE WE CAN PUT THAT RIGHT ON THE WEBPAGE.
IF YOU'RE A COMMUNITY ORGANIZATION WILLING TO CONTRIBUTE THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS HOW YOU DO THAT.
SO BOTH INDIVIDUAL CON, YOU KNOW, CONVERSATIONS WITH ORGANIZATIONS WE'RE IN CONTACT WITH, BUT LIKE KIND OF WHAT, WHAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE WELCOME ON THE PART OF, YOU KNOW, SHELTERS OR DIFFERENT SERVICES.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS? ALRIGHT, UM, ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? OH, OH I DID, I WANTED TO SAY MAYBE WE SHOULD DO IT.
MAYBE WE SHOULD DO IT BEFORE SEPTEMBER JUST TO GET AHEAD OF THE BUDGET.
WELL THE COUNTY FUNDS THE WINTER SHELTER, BUT WE CAN SHELTERS IN GENERAL, BUT WE CAN FIGURE OUT OUR PIECE TOO.
WHAT, WHAT'S THE CHALLENGE? AND SORRY, I COULD ADD TO THAT.
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ARE CREATING PROGRAMMING, WE ARE TYPICALLY ALLOCATED A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY.SO FOR EXAMPLE, FOR LIKE ROUNDS OF HAP, WE'RE TOLD RIGHT OFF THE BAT WHAT WE COULD APPLY FOR.
AND THEN WE THEN CREATE PROGRAMS THAT WAY.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE DO LOOK AT STAFFING, WE LOOK AT I THINK LIKE RAPID REHOUSING PROGRAMS, HOMELESS PREVENTION PROGRAMS. SO WHAT, WHAT MAKES THE RFP? HOW DO WE DECIDE HOW THE RFP GETS DESIGNED BY WHAT GETS ALLOCATED TO US PRIOR? WHEN, BEFORE WE'RE APPLYING.
SO IT, SOMETIMES THERE'S LIMITED FUNDS, SOMETIMES THERE'S MORE FUNDS.
IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT, IN MY CASE THE STATE ALLOCATES.
BUT IT COULD BE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OR YOU KNOW, UM, SO IN YOUR MIND, YOU KNOW, WHY ARE THERE KIND OF FEW RESPONSES TO RFPS? IS IT THERE'S JUST NOT THAT MANY PEOPLE OR ORGANIZATIONS DOING THIS TYPE OF WORK? LIKE WHY DO YOU THINK THERE ARE LIMITED RESPONSES? TOV? I THINK IT'S A MIX.
I THINK WE'RE ALSO GOING AGAINST A VERY WEALTHY, YOU KNOW, LASA ON THE SIDE THAT HAS BETTER BE BETTER RATES THAN WE DO.
UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S REALLY HARD TO KEEP UP TO TWO DIFFERENT, LIKE HMIS SYSTEMS. LONG BEACH HAS THEIR HMIS LA HAS THEIR OWN HMIS.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF VARIABLES THAT I THINK MAKE IT DIFFICULT AND SOME PEOPLE JUST DON'T WANT TO APPLY WHEN THEY CAN RECEIVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF FUNDING, IF NOT MORE WITH LAA.
AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT LESS RESTRICTIVE 'CAUSE THEY ARE NOT A GOVERNMENT AGENCY.
AND NOT THAT IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, HIGHLY ACCOUNTABLE, BUT IT, IT'S DIFFERENT IN COMPARISON TO HERE.
UM, SO I, I MEAN I THINK I'VE HEARD FROM A LOT OF ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE LOOKING TO BACK OUT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, LONG BEACH IS SMALL, THE CONTRACTS ARE RELATIVELY SMALL.
UM, AND STAFFING IS EXPENSIVE.
I MEAN, JUST CONSIDERING OUR FRINGE RATE, IT'S PRETTY HIGH.
SO THEY'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT THE SAME.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS? ALRIGHT, ALL HERE.
ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN RESPOND TO THIS, BUT WHAT IS THE CFC BOARD OR CMC BOARD? C.
UM, NEXT ITEM RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE A DISCUSSION REGARDING FUTURE AGENDA.
ALRIGHT, WHAT ARE SOME FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS? WE HAVE 1955.
THAT'S 1955 LONG BEACH BOULEVARD AND SPECIFICALLY THE CITY AUDIT REPORT.
MAHA UH, SERVICES THERE, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND WHAT THE STATUS OTHER ITEMS? I'M SORRY? THE AUDIT THAT WAS FROM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT? NO, FROM, FROM THE CITY AUDITS.
UH, THE 2024 KIND OF LIKE BUILDINGS AND LEASES AUDIT.
IT WAS PUBLISHED LAST YEAR, DECEMBER.
IT'S OUR KIND OF ONGOING DISCUSSION AND, AND THE PURPOSE OF HAVING THIS DISCUSSION IS REALLY, YOU KNOW, CITY INVESTMENTS TO GET HOMELESS SERVICES.
YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S THE BEST VALUE BASICALLY.
SO, ALRIGHT, SO THAT, ANY OTHER TOPICS FOR DISCUSSION? SO, I'M SORRY, BEST VALUE JUST 'CAUSE I DO HAVE AN UPDATE REGARDING, WELL, I MEAN, I GUESS THE QUESTION IS HOW MUCH DID WE FUND THAT PROGRAM FOR? SO THEIR INITIAL GRANT, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR? OR WHAT ARE WE LOOKING JUST BECAUSE THE AUDIT ITSELF IS FROM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, SO WE WON'T BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT AUDIT, BUT WE CAN SPEAK TO THE HOMELESS PREVENTION PROGRAM, WHICH WAS SUPPOSED TO FUND THE ACCESS CENTER.
SO THE PAST CONVERSATION WE HAD WAS ABOUT THE AUDIT REPORT THAT TALKED ABOUT, UM, THE CITY, UH, INVESTING 3.5, I THINK IT'S 3.5 MILLION INTO THAT BUILDING IN AGREEMENT WITH MAHALA FOR A 10 YEAR LEASE.
UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WITH THE EXPECTATION OF CERTAIN SERVICES TO BE PROVIDED AND THE, THE AUDITOR'S REPORT HAD SAID, HEY, A LOT OF THESE SERVICES ARE NOT BEING PROVIDED ON SITE AND WE THINK THAT THIS LEASE WAS A BAD DEAL FOR THE CITY BECAUSE 3 MILLION WAS INVESTED AND WE'RE NOT REALLY SEEING THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE BE PROVIDED.
AND ALSO 'CAUSE THE ORGANIZATION COULD BUY THE BUILDING FOR $1 AT THE END OF THE 10 YEARS.
SO, YOU KNOW, I, I'VE TAKEN A TOUR NOW ON SITE, WHICH PAUL PUT ME IN CONTACT WITH.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE COMMITTEE KIND OF DOING THAT AS THEY GET MORE SERVICES UP AND RUNNING.
BUT I, I THINK THE INTEREST OF THIS COMMITTEE OR MAYBE THE BROADER COMMITTEE IS NOT SO MUCH LIKE, OKAY, WE, WE SEE THAT THE SERVICES THAT ARE BEING PROVIDED, THERE ARE MAYBE NOT WHAT WAS ANNOUNCED IN PRESS RELEASES AT
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THAT TIME.ARE, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE ALL AS A COMMUNITY CAN KIND OF LEARN FROM THIS? SHOULD WE MAYBE DO CONTRACTS DIFFERENTLY IN THE FUTURE THAT WOULD BE MORE STIPULATE MORE LIKE THESE SERVICES HAVE TO BE PROVIDED OR THE CITY WILL NOT, YOU KNOW, BA BASICALLY WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT CAN WE LEARN FROM THIS SITUATION AND IN THE FUTURE BEFORE OR AFTER THE CITY MAKES SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENTS INTO BUILDINGS THAT MAY TRANSFER INTO PRIVATE HANDS.
HOW COULD WE GET MORE OUT OF THE DEAL SINCE THE CITY AUDITOR SAID WE'RE NOT GETTING WHAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO GET, YOU KNOW, OUT OF THIS DEAL.
SO THAT, THAT'S KIND OF THE DISCUSSION.
THAT'S THAT'S WHERE IT'S AT NOW AND IT, IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY IS THERE ANYTHING THAT SAC WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WOULD HELP IMPROVE HOMELESS SERVICES GOING FORWARD SO THAT WE DON'T GET LESS THAN THE CITY'S INVESTMENT IN KIND OF THESE TRANSACTIONS WITH PROVIDERS? AND WOULD THERE BE ANOTHER SERVICE PROVIDER THAT WOULD DO THOSE SERVICES THAT WE ASKED FOR
'CAUSE IT'S KIND OF LIKE, WELL THREE, YOU KNOW, OVER $3 MILLION WAS SPENT AND UPDATING THAT BUILDING AND, AND MAYBE THE SERVICES BEING PROVIDED THERE ARE NOT WHAT WAS INITIALLY EXPECTED FOR THAT INVESTMENT.
SO THAT REALLY OVERLAPS WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS TOO BECAUSE YEAH, IT ACTUALLY DOES.
AND IT IS STILL A CITY OWNED BUILDING THOUGH.
THE LEASE IS WITH MHA, SO MM-HMM
BUT IT'S STILL A CITY OWNED BUILDING.
BUT YES, WITH ECONOMIC DE DEVELOPMENT AND THEN THEY HAVE THE LEASE WITH MHA.
BUT YES, THE, THE ONLY REASON I'M SAYING IS 'CAUSE THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT AT THAT POINT WOULD NOT FALL WITHIN HOMELESS SERVICES PURVIEW.
BUT IF YOU ARE DISCUSSING CONTRACTING, THEN YES, THAT WOULD BE AN RFP.
OR THAT ONE WAS OUT OF OUR COC, BUT YES.
UM, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ITEMS FOR YOUR NEXT MEETING? I CERTAINLY PLAN TO KIND OF LOOK AT LAST YEAR'S POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS AND GO THROUGH, SO THIS WILL BE AN AGENDA ITEM AND SAY, LAST YEAR WE RECOMMENDED THIS, DO WE WANNA, YOU KNOW, RE PUT FORTH THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS? DO WE WANT TO ADD ANYTHING? SO THAT WILL BE ON THE AGENDA.
UM, I ALSO, I ALSO LEARNED BY WATCHING THE CITY'S ETHICS VIDEO, WHICH IS VERY HELPFUL, I DID THAT TOO.
UM, THAT WE COULD REQUEST THAT A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER PUT FORTH ANY OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS AS A MOTION AT A MEETING, WHICH WOULD THEN BE DISCUSSED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND THEY WOULD THEN VOTE ON WHETHER THEY WOULD FORMALLY ADOPT ANY OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO THAT IS AN AVENUE IF WE WANT TO FORMALLY HAVE A CITY COUNCIL VOTE ON A RECOMMENDATION ARE ALL RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO THAT IS AN OPPORTUNITY IF WE CHOSE TO TAKE IT.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE AGENDA FOR NEXT TIME? YEAH.
DO WE HAVE AS A COMMITTEE A SENSE OF ACCOUNTABILITY FOR OUR POLICY MEMO OR DOES IT JUST DIE
AND, UM, I MEAN, DO WE HAVE ANY DESIRE TO BE AC ACCOUNTABLE TO OURSELVES, UM, IN TRYING TO, LIKE YOU SAID, REVISIT SOME OF THOSE POLICIES AND SEE IF WE CAN DEVISE A, A DIFFERENT WAY OF PRESENTING THE POLICY, MAYBE THROUGH ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, UM, YOU KNOW, TO, TO, I GUESS, CREATE ACCOUNTABILITY.
SO WHAT I'M HEARING FROM YOU IS WE'LL REVISIT OUR POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEN MAYBE DISCUSS OUR STRATEGY FOR DISPERSING THEM FOR THIS YEAR, BECAUSE MAYBE THE WAY WE DID IT WASN'T EFFECTIVE.
AND I'M ALL FOR LEARNING FROM OUR MISTAKES.
SO THAT WILL BE PART OF, WE'LL, WE'LL ADD THAT TO DISCUSSION OF WHAT WILL OUR, OUR DRAFT STRATEGY FOR SHARING
I MEAN, AM I WRONG? I SEE US AS WE'RE, WE'RE JUST, UH, ADVISORY, WE'RE NOT SO IT'S AN ADVISORY, IT'S AN SUGGESTION.
IT CAN BE TAKEN, IT CAN BE NOT TAKEN.
BUT IT SHOULD BE RESPONDED TO.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE RESPONDED TO.
DOES IT? NO, OBVIOUSLY NOT JULIE.
I MEAN, IT DOESN'T, I MEAN, THERE'S NO NOTHING IN WRITING THAT SAYS IT HAS TO BE RESPONDED TO.
SO TO YOUR POINT, YOU ACTUALLY REMINDED ME IN THE HAYSTACK MEETING THAT WE DID HAVE A MEETING WITH THE, YOU KNOW, MAYORAL STAFF AND, UH, THE CITY IN GENERAL WITH A GROUP OF ABOUT FIVE OR SIX TO SAY, LET'S TALK ABOUT YOUR POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO WE DID HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
UM, AND WE ALSO SHARED IT INDIVIDUALLY
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WITH, UM, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.SO IT, MY, MY PERSONAL INTERPRETATION OF WHERE WE'RE AT IS WE'RE IN A DISCUSSION, YOU KNOW, WE INTRODUCED THE IDEA OF SHOULD WE SET THESE NUMERICAL GOALS? AND LIKE, WE'RE CONTINUING THAT DISCUSSION, I THINK.
BUT WE DO HAVE MORE TOOLS IN OUR CHEST NOW OF, WELL, WOULD WE WANT TO FORMALLY ASK A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER TO ASK FOR A VOTE TO ADOPT SOME OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT'S POSSIBLE.
IF WE CAN REVISIT THE DOCUMENT AND FIGURE OUT IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE SEE WORTHWHILE AND LIKE, AND ALSO, I MEAN, AND ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE CITY COUNCIL, YOU'RE NOT GONNA MAKE A DECISION.
THE FIRST THING YOU'RE GONNA DO IS CALL PAUL AND, AND TALK TO DEPARTMENT.
SO IF YOU CAN, IF WE COULD DEVELOP RECOMMENDATIONS SORT OF IN CONJUNCTION, NOT, NOT SORT OF, IF IT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT IS SUPPORTED IN CONJUNCTION, IN A DIRECTION, THEN I THINK WE WOULD'VE MORE SUCCESS.
BUT IN, IN TERMS OF OUR, UM, OF OUR AUTHORITY, OUR ONLY AUTHORITY IS TO REVIEW EXISTING PROGRAMMING THAT HAVE TO DO WITH HOMELESSNESS AND TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR.
THAT THAT'S, THAT'S OUR DIRECTIVE.
SO, AND WE ARE SPECIFICALLY NOT TO GET INVOLVED IN OPERATIONS AND STAFFING.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO CREATE WORK FOR THE STAFF.
SO THEN IT'S JUST PURELY, IT'S ADVISORY.
IT'S BECAUSE WHATEVER WE RECOMMEND IS GOING TO COME BACK AND THEN IT SORT OF GETS HIT BY ALL OF THE EXISTING THINGS.
WHAT SARAH AND I LEARNED FROM THE, WHAT WAS IT, A TWO AND A HALF HOUR VIDEO
UM, WE, INSTEAD OF JUST GOING AT IT FROM HOMELESS SERVICE AND ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WE CAN, WE CAN HAVE A SPONSOR AS ONE OF OUR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
LET'S HAVE THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION NEXT TIME.
YOU KNOW, NEXT TIME WE'LL PUT IT ON THE AGENDA.
AND SPEAKING OF TIME, WE ARE OVER OUR TIME.
UM, SO I SEE THAT OUR PUBLIC COMMENTER HAS LEFT THE ROOM ALL OUT.
SO ALL IN FAVOR, THIS AGENDA ITEM BEING RECEIVED AND FILED.
AND I, I BELIEVE THAT CONCLUDES OUR AGENDA.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? ALRIGHT, MEETING ADJOURNED.
I THINK THIS WAS A PARTICULARLY ROBUST DISCUSSION.