* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] OKAY, YOU'RE GOOD TO GO. JULIE, JULIE, LEE, SARAH, BETTY, ABSENT PAM. WE'RE ON THE, ON THE AGENDA. WE'LL WORK ON THAT. OKAY. I'LL LET, I'LL LET THEM KNOW. THE KILL. WE HAVE QUORUM. SO WE HAVE THE FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS TO A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE POLICY. THAT WE'LL DO ONE TOO. ANY DISCUSSION, ALTHOUGH IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES FOR THE POLICIES, THE COMMITTEE MEETING, UM, TO JANUARY 25. SAY, AYE. OPPOSED? SAME MOTION PASSES. AND, SORRY, JUST FOR THE RECORD, THERE'S NO PUBLIC, PUBLIC MEMBERS PRESENT AT THE FILE. A DISCUSSION ON THE CLEAN SWEEPS. PUBLIC TRANSFER? NO. ON THE CLEAN SWEEPS. PUBLIC WORKS TRANSFER COST OPPORTUNITY WITH HOMELESS SERVICES STAFF. UM, CAN I HAVE A MOTION THERE? FILE A DISCUSSION. SECOND. OKAY. SO I HAVE SARAH NOTES AND, UM, SHE HAD SAID THAT AT OUR LAST MEETING, UM, IT WAS DISCUSSED THAT THE CLEAN TEAM, WHICH COULD THE PUBLIC WORKS AND, UM, THE MARINE BUREAU THAT SHIFT ABOUT 4,200 HOMELESS ENCAMPMENT, CLEANUPS IN 2024. AND THAT MOST OF THESE CLEANUPS INVOLVED RETURNING TO THE SAME ENCAMPMENT WEEK AFTER. UM, AND, UH, ESTIMATED THAT THE COST TO PUBLIC HEALTH ALONE FOR 2024 WAS $1 MILLION. AND SHE SAID, UM, DO WE WANT TO CONSIDER TO INCLUDE IN OUR 2025 IS THE RECOMMENDATION TO, UM, , TO RECOMMEND TO THE CITY THAT THEY CONSIDER DIVERTING TENS PERCENT OF THE CLEANUP COSTS, WHICH IS A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO PILOT A PROACTIVE HYGIENE AND SAN SANITATION PROGRAM THAT WOULD INCREASE THE QUALITY OF LIVES OF PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS AND IMPROVE THE CLEANLINESS OF THEIR LIVING SITUATION AND ENCAMPMENTS. AND THEN, UM, THE EXAMPLE WOULD BE OF THESE, UM, MEASURES, SANITATION AND HYGIENE MEASURES WOULD, COULD BE, UM, HAVING TRIP CITY ISSUED TRASH BINS WITH REGULAR WASTE COLLECTION PICKUPS AT UP TO 10 OF THE, UM, LARGEST ENCAMPMENTS. UM, AND SHE ESTIMATED THAT WOULD COST $15,000. AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THESE NUMBERS CAME FROM. UM, SORRY. BUT, AND THEN, AND THEN SHE SAID, UM, WE MIGHT WANNA CONSIDER, UM, INCLUDING A DA COMPLIANT, UM, PORTABLE RESTROOMS AT THREE OF THE LARGEST ENCAMPMENTS FOR A TOTAL OF $6,000 PER YEAR IN RENTAL SITE. AND SO $18,000, THAT'S FREE. UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS WEEKLY SHOWER PROGRAM AT THREE OF THE LARGEST ENCAMPMENTS THAT WOULD BE 200 PER DAY FOR A SINGLE SHOWER STALL RENTAL. SO, UM, $600 PER WEEK, WHICH EQUATES TO $15,600 PER YEAR. SO THOSE THREE THINGS ADD UP TO, UH, TO STILL, UM, ABOUT $50,000. SO THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL $50,000 [00:05:01] AND SHE SAID THAT WOULD BE, THAT COULD BE USED, UM, TO, UM, STAFFED BY STAFFING AND OTHER SUPPORT AND SERVICES AT THOSE THREE THINGS THAT SHE LISTED. AND NOW WE CAN HAVE HER . THAT WAS IT. ANY QUESTIONS? I GUESS THE FIRST QUESTION IS, UM, THAT SHE PUT FORTH IS, UM, DO WE WANNA INCLUDE IN OUR LIST OF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR 2025, A SUGGESTION TO DIVERT 10% OF THE PUBLIC WORKS TEAM TO, UM, DO THESE THREE PILOT PROGRAMS? UM, I FEEL LIKE, LIKE I I, MY INITIAL ANSWER IS I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE LIKE PIECE OF PROGRAM GOING ON, ESPECIALLY AT LIKE , NOT THAT IMPACTS THE CLEAN TEAM. NOT THAT IMPACTS THE 4,200, UM, HOMELESS ENCAMPMENT WITH NEXT NETWORK EFFECT ONES THAT CONTRACT THOSE. YEAH. NOT RIGHT, BECAUSE THE, THE WHOLE POINT OR THE POINT THAT SHE'S TRYING TO MAKE IS THAT THERE ARE 4,200 CLEANUPS OF WHICH MANY OF THEM ARE, ARE WEEKLY CLEANUPS. AND INSTEAD OF HAVING WEEKLY CLINIC CLEANUPS, LET'S IDENTIFY THREE SITES, THREE ENCAMPMENT AREAS, PROVIDE THEM WITH THE SHOWERS AND THE REP'S ROOMS AND TRASH BINS. AND THEN THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE PART OF THIS, UM, CLEANUP. RIGHT. THEY'RE GONNA BE PART OF THE RIGHT. 'CAUSE YOU'RE, SO, SO THEN WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IS SORT OF PIVOT THE, THE RESOURCES TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE, UM, OF THE PEOPLE LIVING IN THESE ENCAMPMENTS. BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN SAID THAT WHEN YOU DO THESE CLEAN SWEEPS, CERTAINLY YOU ACHIEVE THE GOAL OF REMOVING A LOT OF TRASH, WHICH IS A GOOD THING. I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO LIVE IN TRASH. UM, HOWEVER, THERE ISN'T ANY LASTING IMPACT TO THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN SWEPT AND SOME OF 'EM HAVE BEEN HARMED. 'CAUSE IF THEY'RE NOT THERE DURING THIS WEEK, THEN THEY PRETTY MUCH LOSE EVERYTHING. CHOOSE THEIR TENS, THEIR BELONGINGS, THEIR WHATEVER. SO THE IDEA IS TO PIVOT AND, AND SEE IF WE CAN DO A PILOT. UM, NO, I DO HAVE A QUESTION ACTUALLY. YOU EVER COLLECT DATA? UM, ? YOU GUYS DO COLLECT? WE DO. I DO. I DO DATA BASED ON THE, I DO DATA ON THE FREE SHOWER PROGRAM. OKAY. AND I HAVE SOME DATA ON, UM, OTHER THINGS THAT THEY GIVE ME. WE, WE, WE DO GENDER DATA JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE SO FUNDS ALLOCATED FOR JUST WOMEN. AND UM, WE DO, YES, WE HAVE SOME DATA. SOME DATA MM-HMM . I'M JUST THINKING OF TO SUPPORT THIS. 'CAUSE I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF IT, OF WE COULD GATHER, AND I KNOW SHOWER HAS THEIR ONE LOCATION, WEEKLY, THE MULTI-SERVICE, I DON'T KNOW THAT WAS THAT SUPPORT. ZACH LIGHTS HAD DATA THAT WOULD SUPPORT SHOWERS ARE MUCH NEEDED AND APPRECIATED. UM, AND RESTROOMS TOO. I MEAN, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS, AGAIN, TAKING THE FUNDS FROM THE, THE WEEKLY SUITES AND TRYING TO IDENTIFY THREE ENCAMPMENTS IN WHICH WE CAN WE NOT SUITE AND, AND PROVIDE THEM WITH THE RESOURCES SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE SWEET. AND MAYBE THEN WE CAN FOCUS ON GETTING THOSE PEOPLE TO WHERE THEY WANT TO GO. TOTALLY. YEAH. SO IT'S, I'M FOR IT. I THINK THE ONE THING I STRUGGLE WITH IS MM-HMM . I THINK SPECIFYING AN AMOUNT, GETTING SO MUCH SPECIFICITY IN YEAH. SHE WAS JUST DOING ROUGH MATH. I, LIKE I SAID, I, I, SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE A MANAGER OF THE FIRM AND SOMEBODY SAYS WE'RE GONNA TAKE 10%, 10% OUTTA YOUR BUDGET, AND THEN YOU DO THESE THINGS AND YOU WON'T SPEND MONEY THAT, THAT NEVER WORKS, . RIGHT. THEY'LL SAY, WELL, [00:10:01] I WANNA DO THE THINGS FIRST AND THEN SEE IF I CAN REDUCE MY BUDGET. SO MM-HMM . I THINK THE IDEA IS A GOOD CONCEPT AND I LIKE THE IDEA OF TALKING ABOUT IT AS A PILOT MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, TO CONDUCT A PILOT AND, UM, ABOUT THESE CONCERNS WE HAVE. THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY BEING SPENT MM-HMM . AND I THINK FOR ME, THE CONCERN IS, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE, THERE, I, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE CHALLENGE IS I LISTEN TO THIS IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, I DON'T THINK WE'RE SAYING WE WANT TO CREATE PERMANENT ENCAMPMENTS THAT HAVE THAT ROOMS, RIGHT? RIGHT. SO THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE PERMANENT. THEY'RE GONNA BE SWEPT PERIODICALLY, BUT MAYBE THEY WILL BE SWEPT, MAYBE IT WILL BE MORE HYGIENIC, MAYBE IT WILL BE MORE CARING AND COMPASSIONATE IF WE PROVIDE THESE THINGS AND THEN THEY CAN COME IN AND IT'S AN EASIER THING FOR THEM TO DO. MM-HMM . AND WOULD BE SO LESS, WILL BE LESS COST INTENSIVE. AND UH, AND IT'S HUMANE. IT'S UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S PERSONAL HYGIENE, IT'S CLEANLINESS, IT'S YEAH. CITY ENVIRONMENT. IT'S TRASH. IT'S ALL OF THAT STUFF. UM, YEAH. AND, AND I THINK, UM, AS PART OF THE PILOT, I KNOW AT ST. LUKE'S, UM, WHEN I GO OUT AND, AND VISIT THE PEOPLE IN OUR ENCAMPMENTS, IF I HAVE A BREW AND OFFER IT TO THEM, THEY'LL USE IT. YEAH. AND IF I HAVE TRASH BAGS YEAH. THEY'RE HAPPY TO HELP ME FILL 'EM UP. RIGHT. SO I, I DON'T, I DON'T LIKE THIS THING WHERE WE ASSUME JUST BECAUSE THEY, THEY'RE HOMELESS, THEY WANNA LIVE IN TRASH. THEY DO NOT. OKAY. YEAH. AND SO I THINK THIS IS A WAY TO SHOW, OKAY, LET'S GIVE THEM SOME TOOLS TO KEEP THEIR AREAS CLEAN AND THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO TWEAK THEM. AND HAVE, WE'VE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO GET THE CITY AND PUT A TRASH THAT'S BEEN, BUT, BUT I'M TELLING YOU, YOU OFFER 'EM TRASH BAGS, THEY, THEY ARE MORE THAN HAPPY TO FILL THEM UP. 'CAUSE THEY HAVE A LOT OF TRASH. AGAIN, I'M JUST ME, I'M PROVING PILOT REFERENCE. THE MOST SIGNIFICANT, I WOULD EVEN SAY THREE. I WOULD JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, ONE OR TWO, ONE THEY MAY SAY THREE I ABOUT 42, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC HORSE NUMBER. PROBABLY ABOUT 4,200 WEEKS. THREE COULD BE FINE. YEAH. BECAUSE THREE SEEMS PRETTY REASONABLE. UP TO THREE YOU CAN SAY THREE TIME AND THEN YOU GET PILOT. SO IS ENOUGH BUSINESS A YEAR? YEAH, IT BE A YEAR. COULD BE FAIR. AND THEN, UM, I EMPHASIZE MORE THE, THE HUMANITIES ASPECTS, PERSONAL HYGIENE AND ALL OF THAT. AND AS WELL AS THE KIND OF THE, THE SORT OF THE LASTING IMPACT IN THE COMMUNITY TO LIVE IN THESE AREAS WITH ALL THE TRASH. AND THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE MORE HUMANE AND YOU COULD CONTINUE TO DO YOUR SLEEPS. UM, YOU, YOU KNOW, YEAH. MAYBE YOU NEED LESS FREQUENT OR YOU KNOW, WHATEVER. UM, BUT IT'S A MORE HUMANE WAY OF DOING. AND, AND I THINK IT MAY, YOU KNOW, HAVING MET MANY OF THE SUITE STAFF AS THEY'RE DOING SUITES, I THINK MAYBE IT, IT WOULD GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THEIR, THEIR ROLES DIFFERENT BECAUSE YEAH, IT'S NOT SO YEAH. UM, YEAH. I LEMME . OKAY. SO, UM, WE CAN DO A MOTION TO INCLUDE THE PROPOSAL TO PILOT, UM, YOU CALL IT PILOT PROACTIVE HYGIENE AND SANITATION PROGRAM. YEP. I LIKED IT. AND, AND THE, UM, DO WE DO A SUBSTITUTE MOTION OR DO WE WANNA VOTE ON THE FIRST MOTION, WHICH IS JUST TO, UH, RECEIVE AND FILED AND DISCUSS THAT? [00:15:03] IF, IF YOU'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH WANTING TO MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION, THEN I WOULD SAY YOU WOULD DO A SUBSTITUTE MOTION IF YOU WANNA MOVE FORWARD WITH FILING THE DISCUSSION AND THEN COME BACK WITH, I DON'T KNOW, AT THE NEXT MEETING WITH A NEW MOTION, THEN THAT COULD BE SOMETHING AS WELL I OR A DRAFT IT OR A DRAFT SARAH MAKING A PROPOSAL OR IS SHE JUST, IS THIS JUST A SUGGESTION FOR DISCUSSION? WELL, SHE SAID, UM, FOR THE ACTION TO TAKE WOULD BE TO INCLUDE THIS RECOMMENDATION, UM, THAT IN THIS YEAR'S IN THE 2025, UM, GOT IT. MEMO TO THE CITY. TO THE CITY COUNCIL. YEP. SO, SO WE GOT GO THIS ROUTE. YEAH. SO, UM, I MEAN, LET'S, YOU WANNA CHUNK IT UP AND MOTION EACH PIECE AND VOTE CHANGE IT OR WHAT ELSE? WELL, NO, I THINK WE CAN GO AHEAD. I MEAN, YOU, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE DISCUSSION ALREADY IN MINUTES, SO THAT'S FINE. BUT I THINK WE CAN, WE CAN ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO INCLUDE THE RECOMMENDATION FOR A PILOT PROACTIVE HYGIENE IN SANITATION PROGRAM TO BE INCLUDED IN THE 2025 EC POLICY MEMO TO THE CITY COUNCIL. AND ACTUALLY IT'S GONNA BE PART OF THE ANNUAL REPORT. MIGHT HAVE MOVE, HAVE TO MOVE. YES. SO IF SOMEBODY HAS TO MOVE THAT WE, THAT WE DO THIS MM-HMM . BACK IN THAT SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? YEAH. IF THERE, IF THERE'S NO DISCUSSION, I'M SORRY. YEAH. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY, AYE. I OPPOSED. OKAY. OKAY. AND THEN WE CAN FOLLOW UP ON, ON THAT. UM, THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS RECOMMENDATION. FILE DISCUSSION REGARDING THE QUARTERLY HOME MONTH SERVICES UPDATES FROM THE HOME, US NOT FROM, OR FOUR. IT'S FOUR, RIGHT? IT'S FOR THE HOMELESS SERVICES ADVISORY COMMITTEE. I MEAN, IT'S THE UPDATE THAT'S PRESENTED FOR US, RIGHT? THAT'S QUARTERLY PRESENTATION. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. SO IS THERE, UM, A MOTION I, IT DOESN'T MATTER, BUT IT'S JUST THERE'S MOTION I MOTION. YEAH. . OKAY. DOUG, THIS WAS YOUR REQUEST. IT SAYS, OH, OKAY. UM, SO MY REQUEST OF THIS RELATES TO THE OTHER TOPIC I'M GOING TO DISCUSS, BUT I'LL PUT IT OUT THERE SO YOU CAN HEAR. SO THE, THE QUARTERLY PRESENTATION IS GIVEN TO US, AND AS I UNDERSTAND OUR ROLE, OUR ROLE IS TO RECEIVE INFORMATION, BUT I, IT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME WHAT CAN WE, CAN WE ASK TO NOT HAVE IN SOME OF THE INFORMATION PRESENTED ANYMORE BECAUSE WE DON'T FEEL IT'S USEFUL. SO FOR INSTANCE, WE HEAR A STAFFING, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA MAKE ANY PO POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS ON STAFFING DATE. I THINK IT'S USEFUL INFORMATION FOR MANAGERS AND TEAMS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S USEFUL FOR US. YEAH, WE DON'T NEED THAT. SO DO WE HAVE, WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO REQUEST THAT YOU CAN REQUEST, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT WOULD BE, SO WE WOULD, THE STAFF DO NOT HAVE TO, UH, WE DON'T HAVE AUTHORITY TO SAY YEAH, YOU CAN, YOU CAN REQUEST IT AND THEN STOP WITH REVIEW AND SEE IF IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND IF THE, UM, I GUESS WE COULD PROVIDE COMMENTS THAT SAYS, I FEEL LIKE IN THE PAST THERE WAS PROBABLY BECAUSE WE WERE SO SHORT STAFFED, THERE WAS PROBABLY SOME KIND OF DISCUSSION. AND THAT'S WHY IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, 'CAUSE BEFORE WHEN WE HAD THE HOMELESS SERVICES UPDATE, THEY DIDN'T GET INTO THE, THE HIRING AND LIKE WHEN DID IT, WHEN DID THAT START? LIKE IT WOULD START DURING THE PANDEMIC BECAUSE LIKE, LIKE STUFF. LET ME, WELL LET ME FOCUS ON THE QUARTERLY JUST TO KIND OF SEE WHERE THIS MIGHT GO. SO, UM, IN THE QUARTERLY, WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON ACTIVITIES THAT GO ON. UM, YOU KNOW, THAT LIST OF ALL OF THE ACTIVITIES OH, THE MULTI-SERVICE. MULTI-SERVICE AND [00:20:01] ALL OF THAT. THE FAN AND THE OUTREACH TEAM. YES. AND I, I REALLY FELT THAT WAS USEFUL INFORMATION FOR MAYBE ONE OR TWO MEETINGS, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA EVER DERIVE A RECOMMENDATION RELATED TO THAT BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S JUST THE STAFF FUNCTION. AT LEAST I SEE IT. AND SO THE MANAGERS, THAT'S THEIR ROLE. WHAT ARE THE STAFF DOING? WE PROVIDE THESE SERVICES. HOW CAN WE DO IT THE BEST WAY POSSIBLE? NOT, THAT'S NOT A RECOMMENDATION THAT WOULD COME FROM US. MM-HMM . SO THIS IS ME PERSONALLY, I DON'T FEEL I NEED TO HEAR IT. AND I WONDER IF THE COMMITTEE COULD REQUEST THAT IT NOT BE PRESENTED AND THEN HOW WOULD WE DO THAT? ALONG WITH THAT I FOUND THE, THE WAIT LIST REPORT AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TERM OF THAT, THAT HAD THE WAIT LIST FOR THE SHELTER AND THE WAIT LIST FOR THE BED FOR THE MM-HMM . HOUSING UNITS. MM-HMM . I FOUND THAT EXTREMELY USEFUL. MM-HMM . AND FELT, UM, IT WOULD BE EVEN MORE USEFUL IF THERE WOULD BE A TREND REPORT FOR EACH OF THEM. IN OTHER WORDS, WE WOULD, WHENEVER YOU STARTED COLLECTING THIS DATA, WE WOULD SEE MONTHLY OR WHATEVER HERE WAS HERE, IT WAS IN APRIL LAST YEAR, MAY, JUNE, JULY. AND IT'S A GRAPH. IS IT GOING UP? IS IT GOING DOWN? SO I THINK THAT PRESENTATION FOR ME, THERE WOULD BE A LOT MORE INFORMATION IF IT WOULD BE PRESENTED IN A, IN A MATH FORM. BUT IT'S NOT WITHIN OUR AUTHORITY TO DO THAT. SO IF THE COMMITTEE, NOW THIS IS MY, SO IF THE COMMITTEE WERE TO AGREE, UM, THEN HOW DO WE GO ABOUT THIS? AND I GUESS IT WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMITTEE TO SUPPORT STAFF. 'CAUSE WE WORK WITH YOU AND YOU ALL PUT TOGETHER THE PRESENTATIONS. WE CAN ONLY REQUEST, YOU WOULD REQUEST UHHUH. WE WOULD REVIEW AND THEN LOOK AT WHAT IS BEING REQUESTED AND SEE IF WE CAN FIT IT IN, REMOVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I MEAN, I THINK FOR EXAMPLE, PAM REQUESTED SOMETHING AT THE LAST QUARTERLY REPORT AND IT WAS BROUGHT BACK. SO THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF THAT IS THE DISCUSSION THAT HAPPENED AT THOSE MEETINGS THAT WE THEN COME BACK AND, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS EASILY OR EASILY BE, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING, EASY, EASILY ABLE TO HAPPEN, THEN AT THAT POINT STAFF CAN THEN PUT THAT FORWARD IN THE REPORT. YEAH. MY THINKING OF THIS IS ONLY FOR THINGS WHERE THERE'S EXISTING DATA THAT'S BEING TRACKED AND WHATEVER ELSE. YEAH. SO YOU THINK, I THINK , HE AGREED TO DO THAT, I THINK. BUT THAT WAS AN INTERESTING DISCUSSION BECAUSE AS, AND I WOULD, I'VE BEEN A MANAGER IN THIS DOING THIS WORK, AND UM, WHAT I DID WAS I SOMETHING ON THE ORDER OF, YOU KNOW, CAN WE GET A REPORT RELATED TO THIS? OR CAN WE, CAN YOU CREATE A REPORT RELATED TO THIS? AND I KIND OF SAID, YEAH. AND THEN I SORT OF CAME BACK LATER AND SAID, WHEN WILL WE GET THE REPORT? BECAUSE IT'S A DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, ARE WE GONNA GET THE REPORT IN TWO MONTHS OR ARE WE GONNA GET THE REPORT IN FIVE YEARS? SO, BUT THAT'S A MANAGERIAL CONVERSATION THAT'S, THAT'S LIKE IF I HAD AUTHORITY OVER DALTON IN MY OVERSTEPPING MY BOUNDS BY, BY SAYING THAT. AND IS HE, IS HE THE ONE THAT MAKES THE DECISION TO BRING IT BACK IN TWO MONTHS? AND THERE WAS KIND OF A LITTLE DISCUSSION THAT LUKE PAUL IN AND SO I GUESS IT FUNCTIONED THE WAY IT, IT SHOULD, BUT IT, THIS HAS ALL BEEN VERY CONFUSING TO ME. YEAH. I MEAN, I THINK THE COMMITTEE CAN MAKE REQUESTS, STAFF CAN REVIEW. AND IF IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN PUT FORTH IN A OKAY. QUARTERLY REPORT, THEN IT GETS DONE AT THE QUARTERLY REPORT. UM, WE ALSO HAVE TO, AND I HATE THAT WE BRING IT UP PRETTY OFTEN, BUT THERE IS NO STAFFING TIME DEDICATED TO THIS COMMITTEE, UNLIKE OUR COC BOARD. SO CERTAIN THINGS ARE, IF YOU ATTEND THE COC BOARD AND YOU ATTEND THIS MEETING, WE HAVE THE SAME, UH, REPORT. THE STAFF REPORT IS VERY SIMILAR BECAUSE WE'RE REPORTING ON OUR OPERATIONS. THIS IS WHAT WE DO, THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE WANNA KNOW. UM, SO IT'LL BE SIMILAR. THERE CAN BE CHANGES MADE, BUT NOTHING THAT WOULD COMPLETELY SWAY SOMEONE FROM DOING, YOU KNOW, THEIR REGULAR DUTIES. SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE STAFF GOES BACK. REVISITS HAS A, A CONVERSATION WITH LEADERSHIP AND IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE, THEN IT GETS DONE AT THE NEXT QUARTERLY REPORT. I WOULD TAKE THE ASSUMPTION THAT IT WOULD BE DONE WITHIN [00:25:01] THE QUARTER, IF POSSIBLE. DO YOU HAVE AN ORGANIZATIONAL CHART TO UNDERSTAND LIKE WHERE DALTON IS? YEAH. I MEAN WE'RE, IT'S CHANGING PRETTY FREQUENTLY, BUT WE CAN GET THAT FOR YOU. YOU CAN, AND I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT TOO. BUT REALLY THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE'RE ONLY ADVISOR. WE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS AND YOU CAN RECOMMENDATION. THE WORD RECOMMENDATION HAS A LOT OF SYNONYMS. I WOULD SAY IN MANY CASES THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE SIMPLY SYNONYM. THEY, THEY DON'T GET ACT, THEY MAY NOT GET ACTED ON, YOU MAY NOT GET RESPONDED TO. SO THERE'S SUGGESTIONS IN MANY CASES. AND SO THEN TRYING TO SORT OUT, WELL, WHAT GOES TO THE CITY COUNCIL? AND THIS EARLIER DISCUSSION WE HAD ABOUT, UM, OUR RECOMMENDATIONS. SO OUR RECOMMENDATIONS WERE SUPPOSED TO REPORT TO THE CITY AND THE MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL MM-HMM . EVERY YEAR OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, THE PROCESS FOR DOING THAT IS THERE'S, I GUESS TWO STEPS. ONE IS OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE SENT TO EACH OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS. I DON'T THINK ANY OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE RESPONDED TO ANY OF THE ASK HOMELESS SERVICES ADVISORY COMMITTEE ABOUT THAT. THEY HAVE NOT SAID ANY, UH, MINE HASN'T SAID ANYTHING TO ME ABOUT OUR RECOMMENDATIONS CONVERSATION. WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH ALL OF THE , BUT AS FAR AS CONNECTION, YES. CORRECT. AND THEN THERE MAY OR MAY NOT BE MATCHING AS, OKAY. SO JUST AGAIN, TRYING TO NAVIGATE THROUGH THIS AND I'M OKAY WITH THAT. BUT THEN AT OUR LEVEL, I THINK THERE ARE THINGS WE COULD DO THAT COULD TIE INTO THIS THAT MIGHT IMPROVE OUR COMMUNICATION AND UNDERSTANDING, WHICH, YOU KNOW, FOR OUR CITIZENS AND ACTUALLY MIGHT HELP THE OVERALL, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT MIGHT MAKE DISCUSSIONS EASIER AND SPEND LESS TIME ON CERTAIN THINGS AND MORE TIME ON THE MORE IMPORTANT THINGS. AND ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, I, THESE KINDS OF TRENDS REPORTS, FOR INSTANCE, WOULD LEAD TO RECOMMENDATIONS, POTENTIALLY SEEING A DATA ONE MONTH, ANOTHER MONTH. MM-HMM. IT'S LIKE, IT'S HARD. IT'S HARD. WOULD YOU LIKE, I MEAN, I LIKE TO RUN PROJECT UPDATES. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE, MORE OF THAT. YEAH. BUT WHAT YOU TALKING ABOUT WITH, UM, MELTON HAD THIS GRAPH THAT TALKED ABOUT THE PERMANENT HOUSING QUEUE AND THE SHELTER QUEUE, AND IT WAS ALWAYS A NUMBER. IT'S JUST A NUMBER. IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A YES. SO IN ORDER TO DO RELEVANCE TO THOSE NUMBERS, I THINK THAT IT HAS GOOD SUGGESTION. AND THAT IS TO HAVE A A A 12 MONTH GRAPH. WHERE DID, WHERE DID THAT NUMBER GO? YOU KNOW, DID IT GO LIKE THIS OR DID IT GO THE OTHER DAY? OR, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT DID THAT NUMBER DO? BECAUSE IT'S HARD FOR US TO, AND THEN YOU THEN WE COULD SAY THANK, WE COULD ASK QUESTIONS. MIKE. UH, SO I DON'T THINK I'VE HEARD AN UPDATE IN THREE MONTHS ABOUT ACTIONS RELATED TO THIS. ARE THERE ANY NEW ACTIONS GOING ON RELATED TO THIS OR ANYTHING PLANNED RELATED TO THIS? NO, WE DON'T. AND WE WE'RE JUST MANAGING WITH WHAT WE GOT. OKAY. YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND. YEAH. HERE'S ANOTHER, HERE WAS ANOTHER PIECE TO TYING INTO ALL OF THIS, WHICH IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE OFFICIAL STAFF SUPPORT . SO THIS IS ANOTHER SIDE DISCUSSION. SO IN DOING ALL OF THIS AND THEN HAVING THE EVERYONE HOME STRATEGY UPDATE, I LOOK BACK AND READ EVERYONE HOME MULTIPLE TIMES. SEVERAL, YEAH. THE MULTIPLE HOME MADE SEVEN CATEGORIES OF RECOMMENDATIONS AND 13 SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS WITH NUMERICAL TARGETS INCREASED BY 200, INCREASED BY THIS, INCREASED BY THAT, DECREASED BY THAT NUMBER. AND I CAN'T FIND ANY, ANY REPORTS OR ANY INFORMATION ABOUT ANY UPDATES THAT WERE PROVIDED TO THAT, TO ANYBODY. AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT OCCURRED, BUT, YOU KNOW, IF, UH, IF, UH, THERE WAS A HUGE AMOUNT OF RESOURCES PUT INTO THAT COMMITTEE AND PEOPLE AND TO HAVE THAT, AND IT WAS, IT WAS VOTED ON AND APPROVED. IT WAS VOTED ON AND APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL. ACCEPTED BY THE COUNCIL. AND THE, THE MAYOR WAS QUOTED AFTERWARDS, [00:30:01] I LOOKED UP AN ARTICLE AS SAYING THE MAYOR WAS QUOTED AS SAYING SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF, THIS IS ONLY A START. WE WILL LEARN FROM THIS AND MAKE ADJUSTMENTS AS WE GO ON. AND WE WILL LEARN FROM THIS. WELL, HOW CAN YOU LEARN FROM SOMETHING IF YOU DON'T TRACK HOW YOU DO? RIGHT. SO IF THERE'S NO, SO THEN PART OF I'VE BEEN, PART OF MY THINKING WAS, OKAY, WELL AS A, AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, CAN I START MOVING TO GET THESE REPORTS? BUT IT'S NOT MY RESPONSIBILITY, IT'S THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PEOPLE DOING WHO OVERSEE RECOMMENDATION. THAT'S, YOU KNOW, EVALUATIONS. WELL, THEY'RE MAKING IT NOW. WELL, SHE'S DOING IT NOW, BUT IT'S A YEAR LONG PROCESS. RIGHT, SAVANNAH? WELL, IT'S GONNA BE REPORTED. IT'S GONNA BE REPORTED IN MAY. THEY SAID, WELL, I THINK IT'S A YEAR HE WAS GONNA REPORT. I, WE ASKED WHEN IT WAS GONNA BE REPORTED. AND I THINK HE SAID IN MAY FOR STRATEGIC FOR EVERY MONTH WAS NO, NO, NO. THE STRATEGIC, WHAT SAVANNAH WAS DOING. I THOUGHT IT WAS LIKE 2026. OH, LIKE STRATEGIC PLAN. YEAH. YES. THE NEW STRATEGIC PLAN. YEAH. WE'RE LIKE IN THE MIDDLE PHASE. THERE'S STILL ANOTHER PHASE TO GO CONSULT I SAW FOR THE, OKAY. QUALITATIVE DATA. QUANTITATIVE DATA, I'M SORRY. AND THEN THERE WAS, SO I, I SAW 2026 I AS THE REPORT TO THE COUNSEL. CORRECT. UH, WELL, CORRECT. I WAS GONNA SAY ALVIN HAS GONE TO COUNCIL AND REPORTED, BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT IS FOR THAT PROJECT IN PARTICULAR. SO IT OKAY. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW IF , SO WE HAVE TIME, WE HAVE TIME TO SUGGEST, TO RE RECOMMEND, SUGGEST, SORRY, YES. TO RECOMMEND REPORT BACKS, I SUPPOSE, IF THAT'S WHAT, UH, IS BEING REQUESTED. I THINK THERE WAS THE EMAIL THAT JENNIFER SENT OUT. JENNIFER SENT AN EMAIL, DID YOU GET IT? AND THEN YOU CAN WRITE TO SAVANNAH AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WOULD THEN BE ELEVATED AND PUT TOWARDS THE REPORT. I MEAN, I, YEAH, I AGREE. BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE MUCH MORE POWERFUL. THE ENTIRE COMMITTEE WOULD'VE RECOMMENDS NOT JUST ME. UM, WELL, WE, YOU KNOW, SHE DID THE SESSION AT OUR MEETING LAST WEEK, BUT IT WAS ONLY 20 MINUTES. SO WE DID WHAT WE DID, BUT SH SHE SAID THAT WE CAN FOLLOW UP WITH OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THAT DIDN'T, THAT ARE TRACKED AND LOGGED AND NOT RESPONDED TO. YEAH. WELL I THINK YOU HAVE A GOOD POINT. AND SO HIGHLIGHTING WHAT EVERYONE HOME DID IN TERMS OF THESE 13, UM, QUANTITATIVE, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS AND HOW THEY SHOULD BE REVISITED AND INCLUDED IN THE NEW STRATEGIC PLAN, WHICH IS THE NEW STRATEGIC PLAN IS SUPPOSED TO BE A CONTINUATION OF EVERYONE HOME, BUT SHE, SHE DIDN'T EXACTLY KNOW A LOT ABOUT EVERYONE HOME. SO, UM, WELL, AGAIN, IT'S JUST FIGURING MY GEEZ. IT'S LIKE, YEAH. SO IT'S LIKE, IT'S LIKE OUR, TO ME IT'S LIKE OUR ANNUAL RECOMMENDATIONS. THEY MAY JUST GET IGNORED. YEAH. YEP. UM, AND, UH, AND SO THAT'S PART OF WHAT I'M TRYING TO CLARIFY, BY THE WAY, THE, THE EVERYONE HOMES IN 2018, FIRST YEAR, 2019, FIVE YEAR PLAN, 24 DONE PLANNING FOR THE NEXT REVISION IN TWO YEARS. WAS THAT EXTENDED OFFICIALLY? YEAH, I THINK IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THIS YEAR, BUT THEN IT GOT, IT GOT DELAYED COVID AND EVERYTHING. OKAY. YEAH. NOT COVID, BUT, OR THE YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THE PROCESS, RIGHT? UM, SO, SO MAYBE TO SUMMARIZE, THE ONLY WAY AS I UNDERSTAND IT, WE COULD TRY TO INFLUENCE THIS WOULD BE TO PUT IT IN OUR ANNUAL RECOMMENDATIONS. THAT'S THE ONLY WAY. OR WE COULD INDIVIDUALLY GO TO OUR COUNCIL MEMBER AND ADVOCATE. BUT REALLY IT WOULD HAVE TO COME TO, I WOULDN'T WANT IT FROM ONE PERSON. IT WOULD, WHATEVER. MY IDEA MAY NOT BE INTEREST TO OTHERS. SO, BUT IF EVERYBODY HAD SUPPORT OF THESE IDEAS, THEY WOULD ALL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE RECOMMENDATION. IF WE COULDN'T GET 'EM RESOLVED, SIMPLE REQUEST, AND THEY WOULD ALL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS RECOMMENDATION, WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT BE, WAS THERE NOT A REPORT? IT WAS, IT WAS NOT A HEAR NOTES NOT [00:35:01] PLAN BEFORE ME. NO. TALKING ABOUT 13, WHAT, WHAT RE SAID, BUT WHAT REX HAS DONE, HE SOMETIMES REFERENCES EVERYONE AT HOME AND SAID, OH, THIS WAS ONE OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS THAT HE DOESN'T QUANTITATIVELY OH, NO. SO AT, WAS IT, AT OUR LAST MEETING, ONE OF THE MEETINGS, I, I THINK I REFERRED, OH, I SENT AN EMAIL TO PAUL AND REFERENCED THAT THERE WAS 200 BEDS, 200 ADDITIONAL SHELF BEDS AS ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS MM-HMM . AND PAUL RESPONDED BACK, OH WOW. YEAH, WE'VE EXCEEDED THAT. BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, BOOM. BUT HE DIDN'T POINT TO A GRAPH OR REPORT. RIGHT. BUT IT WAS FROM HIS MEMORY. AND PLUS HE, HE INCLUDED PROPOSED BEDS AND RIGHT. SO YOU COULD CREATE A GRAPH AND YOU COULD MARK IN THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, 75 MORE, 85 MORE, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD, YOU COULD INDICATE FUTURE ADDITIONS. THAT'S SUCH A NICE REPORT. UM, I HADN'T REALLY LOOKED AT IT UNTIL JUST LAST WEEK. SO I, I GUESS WITH ALL OF THIS, IF THE, IF, IF THE PURPOSE OF THE EVERYONE HOME AND THE EVERYONE HOME UPDATE IS TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME GATHERING A LOT OF INFORMATION AND TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS AND TO HAVE EVERYBODY FEEL GOOD, YOU KNOW, IT'S A FEEL GOOD THING. I'M, I'M NOT CRITICAL OF IT. IT JUST, WE ALL FEEL GOOD ABOUT 'EM, BUT THEN NOTHING HAPPENS. I MEAN, NOTHING IS, I DON'T CARE ABOUT HAPPENING. THINGS MAY NOT HAPPEN BECAUSE THERE'S GOOD REASON TO DON'T HAVE, BUT TO HAVE NO REPORT BACK. WE HAVE SUCCEEDED IN THE 200 BEDS. WE HAVE ACHIEVED THE 200 BEDS IN THE FIRST THREE YEARS OF HOORAY. WE HAVE NOT EXCEEDED IN OUR PLAN TO REDUCE OUR CHRONIC HOMELESSNESS FROM 300. AT THAT TIME IT WAS LIKE 300 FIFTIES DOWN A DOWN TO A HUNDRED SOMETHING. UNFORTUNATELY, THIS PROBLEM SPIRALED OUT OF CONTROL FOR REASONS BEYOND OUR, INCLUDING THIS, THIS, OKAY. YOU'VE REPORTED OUT ON, ON THIS. SO IF THEY'RE NOT, IF THEY'RE NOT, IF SO IF THE, IF THE CITY COUNCIL ACCESS AND IF THE, IF THE FOLKS IN THE CITY MANAGERS IN THE CITY ARE DOING THIS TO MAKE A REPORT, BUT THEN NOTHING IS TRACKED AFTERWARDS. IT'S KIND OF LIKE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS. IT'S JUST SUGGESTIONS. SO I WILL SAY, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS AN EVERYONE HOME REPORT, SO LIKE A REPORT BACK TO COUNSEL ON EVERYONE HOME, THE COMPLETION, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OR THAT UPDATE OR NOT UPDATE. YEAH. I, I DON'T KNOW, 13 THIRTEENS, HERE'S WHAT WE GOT, HERE'S WHERE WE'RE AT. BUT I DO KNOW THAT WE WERE REPORTING BACK CONSISTENTLY FOR THE HOMELESS PROCLAMATION. SO AT THAT LOCATE, OR AT THAT POINT IN TIME, THERE WAS REPORTS ON INTERIM BEDS, NEW BEDS. UM, I KNOW I SAT IN IN A FEW WHERE, WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS I THINK THEY WERE REPORTED BACK, BUT IT WAS NOT PACKAGED AS LIKE A EVERYONE HOME, YOU KNOW, UPDATE AND IT WASN'T INCORRECT. YEAH. AND THAT, I THINK HIS POINT, HIS MAIN POINT IS THAT WE, FOR WHATEVER REASON, A VARIETY OF REASONS, WE DON'T HAVE FROM 2018 TO 2025, WE DO NOT HAVE WHERE DID WE, WHAT DID WE DO WHAT SHELTER BEDS, OUR INTERIM BEDS, PERMANENT HOUSING, WE, AND IT'S, IT SEEMS ODD THAT WE DON'T HAVE THAT JUST BECAUSE THIS REPORT REALLY DID TRY TO SET SOME GOALS. AND I UNDERSTAND THE EMERGENCY PROCLAMATION REPORT, BUT THOSE WEREN'T THOSE, THOSE DIDN'T HAVE GRAPHS EITHER. THEY WERE JUST, OH, WE BOUGHT THAT OUT. THIS, AND WHICH I, AND I'VE LISTENED TO IT AND I THINK IT'S VERY IF'S SOMETHING YOU COULD, YOU COULD TELL AND LEAST , WE'VE EXCEEDED OUR 200, WE'VE WHATEVER. YEAH. AND HERE'S A GRAPH TO SHOW IT. UH, AND THEN WE WOULD KNOW. SO I HEAR ABOUT BEDS AND SHELTER AND THINGS BEING DONE, AND I THINK, WELL, IT'S GOOD WORK, BUT BOY, IT SEEMS LIKE THE PROBLEM'S GOTTEN A LOT WORSE. SO I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF IT. UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF MY LONG STORY. OKAY. OKAY. AND, UH, SO SORRY. SO MORE THAT [00:40:01] WAY. I PUT THAT IN MY NOTES. MORE GRAPHS. I, I GUESS IT'S, I KNOW THE ONE THING IS WE'RE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT MORE MARKETING, MORE PUTTING, PUSHING OUT THIS NO, NONE OF THAT. WE'RE NOT SAYING WHAT YOU ALL DO WITH THAT. NO. HOW I JUST, I THINK, I THINK FOR THE COMMUNICATION THAT TO US IT'S MUCH BETTER AND STRONGER IF IT'S IN WHERE YOU CAN TREND THE DATA, PRESENT IT IN TRENDS, DATA. AND SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS YOU HAVE TO PUT A LITTLE EXTRA WORK ADULT. IT'S A LITTLE EXTRA WORK INTO DOING THIS. AND THEN ONCE HE CREATES THE PROGRAM, HE CAN ACTUALLY TAKE, HE CAN, THERE COULD BE A SYSTEM WHERE DATA SOURCE JUST POPULATES IT OR WHERE HE JUST ENTERS ONE DATA. YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST SIMPLE MANAGEMENT. SO. OKAY. AND ACTUALLY I THINK THAT, I THINK SOME OF THE STUFF HE'S TALKING ABOUT IS ALREADY IN THE COC HUD REPORT. YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS HAVE TO DO THAT EVERY YEAR. YOU HAVE TO IDENTIFY THE NUMBER OF SHELTER BEDS EVERY YEAR. NUMBER OF UNSHELTERED JUDGE HAVE TO DO THE INTERIM HUB. YOU HAVE TO, WELL, I, I GOTTA SAY THAT ANNUAL, ALL THOSE ANNUAL FIGURES ALREADY EXIST. IT'S JUST FOR WHATEVER REASON. YEAH. AND YOU JUST DRAW IT INTO A GROUND. YES. I FEEL LIKE I HAVE THIS DISCUSSION WHEN I, WE PUT PRESENT IT A COUPLE TIMES AT CITY COUNCIL WITH COMMUNITY GROUP I WORK WITH, AND WE WERE ASKING FOR A STRATEGIC PLAN, LIKE THAT'S WHAT WE WERE ADVOCATING FOR. AND THEY WOULD SHOOT BACK TO EVERYONE HOME. BUT WE WOULD BE ALWAYS LIKE, THOSE ARE GOALS. WE DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. AND I THINK THAT'S KNOW WHY YOU NOW EVERYONE. BUT I FEEL LIKE WITH THE STRATEGIC PLAN, I FEEL LIKE THE STAFF WOULD BE LOOKING AT THAT DATA FROM EVERY YEAH. BUT IT DID FROM HER ATION THAT WE, IT DID, DIDN'T SEEM LIKE SHE WAS DOING THAT. BUT SHE MIGHT DO IT NOW. AND I, IN, IN HINDSIGHT, I'M NOT FAULTING ANYBODY. I DON'T FEEL IT'S DONE. I FEEL NEUTRAL. I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE FUTURE, AND I'M WORRIED ABOUT KIND OF FRANKLY, WHAT MY ROLE IS. UM, YEAH. I THINK COMING OUT OF THE PANDEMIC, UM, AND HAVING SO MANY TEAM MEMBERS ON OUR COMMITTEE CAME IN, IT'S TAILORING A LOT OF . I THINK, UM, A LOT OF OUR MEMBERS WANT TO BE MORE, UM, EFFECTIVE, WHATEVER THAT MEANS. AND IN ORDER TO, TO DO THE JOB, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, OUR CHARGE IS VERY SIMPLE. IT IS TO EVALUATE EXISTING PROGRAMS THAT HAVE TO DO WITH HOMELESSNESS AND, UM, PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND THAT'S IT. SO IN ORDER TO, TO STAY WITHIN THOSE TESTS, I THINK IF WE COULD HAVE, NOT MORE, BUT JUST, UM, CON MORE CONCISE DATA THAT WILL ALLOW US TO, TO DO WHAT WE THINK WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING. YEAH. I MEAN, SO NOT MORE WORK, MORE WORK SHOULD, BUT I FEEL LIKE MORE OF THAT MM-HMM. AND ORDER, EVEN IF THAT'S JUST, UM, NOT CITY COUNCIL. EVEN IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, ALWAYS . IF I, IF I HAD, IF I HAD REST, I'M KIND OF LOOKING OFF. MM-HMM. BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE. I MEAN, MY BASIC MESSAGE, MORE SHELTER BEDS DECREASE LESSNESS. I COULD SAY IT IN 10 DIFFERENT WAYS, BUT THAT'S MY MESSAGE. YES. AND THEY ALREADY KNOW THAT. SO, SO YEAH. SO, OKAY. AND THEN, UH, OKAY. SO TO GET TO HELP ME OUT ON CLOSING MM-HMM . SO THERE'S THINKING ABOUT, SO ARE WE REQUESTING CERTAIN THINGS RIGHT NOW FROM STAFF OR WE'RE JUST AWARE THAT WE CAN DO THIS? AND IF YOU'RE CAPABLE. OKAY. AND THERE IS FOLLOW UP IN PLAY FOR DALTON. 'CAUSE HE ACTUALLY SAID YES. I WILL BRING IN THAT. OKAY. FILE, DISCUSS AND THEN, OKAY. BACK. WELL, I, MY LAST STATEMENT IS I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ONGOING DISCUSSION ABOUT, TO ADDRESS THE PROBLEM OF THE WAY THAT IT STRATEGY IS PRESENTED. IT'S A FIVE YEAR STRATEGY AND WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY TRACKING. AND THE ONLY WAY WE CAN BE INFORMED OF PROGRAMS MM-HMM . IS TO HAVE . UM, SO MAYBE THAT COULD BE THE NEXT MEETING. AND WE PULL A REC DO YOU WANT ME TO PULL, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION RELATED TO THAT? WHATEVER THAT GOES INTO OUR ANNUAL YEAH. [00:45:01] WHEN WE START DOING OUR ANNUAL REPORT, THE POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE A GOOD PLACE. I WOULD LIKE TO USE A WORD, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT GIVE STATE NUMBERS. I DON'T HAVE CONTEXT WHERE THAT EVALUATIONS ACTUALLY CONTEXT NUMBERS ARE I, BUT WE ARE, WE ARE BEING SPECIFIC IN ASKING FOR THE NUMBER OF SHELTER BEDS IN EACH OF THE YEARS. OR AT LEAST, WELL, THE, THE LANGUAGE OF THE, IS THE DOCUMENTS USING WORD VERIFY? SO, WELL, THE MAYOR IS THE, THE COUNCIL IS TO VERIFY THERE, TO MAKE SURE, SO WE HAVE A ROLE TO MAKE SURE IT'S TRUTHFUL, BUT EVALUATE WHAT DOES EVALUATE . SO EVALUATE, WE CAN EVALUATE THE TRUTH. NOT SAYING US TO EVALUATE. I WOULD LIKE STAFF TO MAKE EVA EVALUATE AND GIVE US THE EVALUATION. UM, THAT'S A SEPARATE REQUEST. IF YOU'RE DOING A PROGRAM, LOOK, I HAVE A PUBLIC HEALTH BACKGROUND, SO WHEN WE CREATE A PROGRAM, WE HAVE AN EVALUATION OF THAT PROGRAM TO SEE IF IT WORKS. AND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHEN YOU SHOW ME TRACKING. IT'S JUST NUMBERS. WELL, SO LET ME JUST, I'LL JUST ADD ONE CAN SOMETHING LIKE THIS, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH. THIS IS ON OUR WEBSITE. IT'S ON THE DATA DASHBOARD. WHAT IS IT? IT'S THE SHELTER UTILIZATION OVER TIME. SO IT DOESN'T CALL OUT SPECIFIC SHELTER BEDS. OH. IS THAT LIKE, OH YEAH. THE UTILIZATION. WE SEE 90 PERCENTAGE. YEAH. THAT PERCENTAGES ARE NOT THE, THE PERCENTAGES HAVE BEEN GREAT INFORMATION. YOU, YOU, IT'S RUNNING AT 90 PLUS PERCENT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE TOTAL NUMBER OF BET. NO. WELL THAT DATA, I DON'T NEED TO SEE EVERYONE. IT, IT QUARTERLY. DEFINITELY. UH, ONCE A YEAR. YOU GUYS ARE DOING GREAT. EVERYBODY'S DOING GREAT. WE JUST SORT OF, OKAY, WE WATCHED IT MONTHLY. NOW WE'RE JUST GONNA TRACK IT. I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO BE PRESENTED TO US. UM, UNLESS, UNLESS THERE'S THIS VARIATION. WELL, I THINK, I THINK, WELL, I MEAN, THE NUMBER OF BEDS ISN'T GONNA CHANGE, RIGHT. SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE OPENING. WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, THAT'S WHAT ABOUT AND NO, BUT SO PURCHASING, LIKE IF WE'RE GONNA PUR, WE BOUGHT LUXURY INN, IS IT TWO YEARS AGO AT THIS RATE? AND IT'S STILL NOT OPEN LUXURY INN. OCTOBER, 2022. OH. SO AT THAT POINT, THAT'S A 78 BED UNIT THAT WE'RE STILL UNDER CONSTRUCTION. SO IT'S, IT WILL BE PART OF OUR, OUR, YOU KNOW, SO, SO THERE'S A GRAPH OF BEDS. CORRECT. SO, AND THERE'S A PLAN TO BUY LUXURY BEDS AND GET IT IMPLEMENTED. WHEN WAS THE THOUGHT THAT IT WOULD FIRST BE IMPLEMENTED? IT WAS LAST YEAR. OPEN UP THE BUSINESS LAST YEAR. YEAH. PURCHASED LATE LAST YEAR, I THINK. SO THERE'S AN, THERE'S AN ARROW OR A NOTATION THAT LUXURY BEDS WILL ADD 70 PLUS WORLD CHANGES, AND THAT'S DELAYED A YEAR. WE MOVE THE ARROW OVER AND SAY DELAYED ONE YEAR. IT'LL TAKE PLACE THIS YEAR. A GRAPH THAT SHOWS IN ONE LOOK PERFECT. EVERYTHING YOU NEED. I ASKED THAT OF DALTON. I GAVE HIM, WELL, I TOLD HIM IF HE COULD GET IT BACK, BUT THAT WAS ABOUT LIKE TWO WEEKS AGO. SO I'M WAITING FOR RESPOND BACK. BUT YES, THAT'S WHAT I DID. I ASKED FOR OUR POINT IN TIME NUMBERS AND THEN LOOKING AT THOSE CURRENT BEDS SO THAT WAY WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE OPEN BEDS OR NOT OPEN BEDS, BUT BEDS AND ACROSS THE CITY, JUST BECAUSE THE, THE, THE EVERYONE HOME MADE A RECOMMENDATION TO INCREASE BEDS BY 200. SO THEY ACTUALLY SPECIFICALLY SAID, WE WANT TO INCREASE BEDS. AND SO IF THAT'S GONNA CONTINUE IN THE REVISION, THE UPDATE AND YEAH, THAT WORKS. THAT'S, THAT'S FOR SURE. SOMETHING EASY THAT CAN HAPPEN. JUST GETTING BACK TO THE, THIS NOTION OF WHAT WE DO IN OUR WORK, YOU KNOW, OR AS MANAGERS, YOU OR, OR PARTICIPANTS IN STUFF AT WORK. UM, ALL OF THIS STUFF HAPPENS BECAUSE IT, THERE'S A MAN, THERE'S A MANAGER REPORTS AND ALL OF THAT. NO ONE REPORTS TO US. WE HAVE NO AUTHORITY OVER ANYONE OR ANYTHING. AND IT'S STATED IN HERE IN A VERY, EVEN MORE INFORMATION IS PROVIDED ABOUT WHAT WE AREN'T SUPPOSED TO BE, THAN WHAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE. WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE SUPERVISED OR EVEN MANAGERIAL. NO WAY. IT'S ILLEGAL. IT'S A LEGAL THING. OKAY. AND IT'S GREAT. [00:50:01] IT MAKES IT VERY CLEAR. BUT THEN IT'S MAKING ME THINK ABOUT THE WORDS I USE AND THE DEFINITIONS I HAVE. SO WHAT IS A RECOMMENDATION IN THE WORLD? I CAME FROM A RECOMMENDATION. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WAS PROVIDED FROM A COMMITTEE. IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE PROVIDED AND RESPONDED TO, YES, WE'RE GONNA DO THIS. NO, WE'RE NOT. WE CAN ONLY DO THIS PART OF IT. WE'RE GONNA EVALUATE IT FURTHER AND GET BACK. THAT WAS MY DEFINITION. THE OTHER DEFINITION OF RECOMMENDATION IS SUGGESTION. WHAT WE DO IS BEGIN A SUGGESTION. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO RESPOND. MM-HMM . AND SO EVALUATION, NOW. EVALUATION. EVALUATION, BUT EVALUATION IS FOR THE WHOLE PUBLIC. LIKE I WANNA EVALUATION PR OUT FOR EVERYBODY, NOT JUST OUR COMMITTEE. MM-HMM . SO EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED WITH EVERYONE HOME. RIGHT. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT YEAH. NOT OUR COMMUNITY. RIGHT. OKAY. I AGREE. I AGREE. BUT, BUT, UH, THAT SHOULD JUST BE BUILT. THAT WOULD BE, BE PART, THAT WOULD BE PART OF OUR RECOMMENDATION TO SAY THESE GRAPHS AND THAT THIS SHOULD ALSO BE SHARED IN THE, IN THE, UH, THE DASHBOARD OR PROVIDED TO THE PUBLIC OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IF WE WANTED IT TO BE SHARED. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS, THAT THAT, UM, JENNIFER, YOU HAD THAT THE EVERYONE HOME DASHBOARD THING. UM, DOES IT, DOES IT HAVE ANOTHER AREA WHERE IT GIVES A SUMMARY OF, OF CURRENT ACTIVITIES AS IT RELATED TO THIS? THERE'S NOW A SUMMARY OF CURRENT ACTIVITIES. NO, THAT, THAT WAS OUR COMPLAINT ON THIS. UM, THAT EVERYONE, EVERYONE HOME OR COMPLAINT WAS, IT WASN'T A STRATEGIC PLAN, IT WAS JUST WRITTEN SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS THAT TURNED INTO THOSE, THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT DIDN'T HAVE ACTION, IMPLEMENTATION OR EVALUATION. THERE, THERE WAS, UH, IT WAS PRESENTED AND THERE WAS SOME NOTE OF THAT GETTING BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMITTEE. AND THEN I THINK PROBABLY THE PLANNING COMMITTEE PROBABLY DISBANDED AND NOTHING. OKAY. BUT IT'S NOT THE ROLE OF THE COMMITTEE TO DO ALL OF THAT. IT'S THE ROLE OF THE COUNCIL AND THE CITY TO FOLLOW. YES. RIGHT. THE CITY MANAGER. OKAY. SO, UM, IRE OF THIS ONE. SO VERY GOOD. HAVE THE DISCUSSION REGARDING THE QUARTERLY HOMELESS SERVICES UPDATE FROM THE, FOR THE HOMELESS SERVICES ADVISORY COMMITTEE. UM, CAN I HAVE A, I I ALREADY HAVE MOTION. MOTION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, FAVOR MORE QUESTION. OKAY. SO I, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE US BE ABLE TO PROVIDE SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO ALTER THE REPORT TO BE MORE USEFUL. THE, THE STAFF UPDATE THE QUARTERLY, WELL, YEAH. WHATEVER. EVERYTHING THAT'S PROVIDED TO US IS, ITS SOMETHING WE CAN ACT ON. IT'S USEFUL. WE CAN GO INTO A RECOMMENDATION AND IF WE'VE HEARD IT AND WE UNDERSTAND IT AND WE DON'T NEED IT TO PRESENT IT, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO RIGHT. MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. PARTICULARLY IF WE'RE TRYING TO DO THINGS IN TWO HOURS. SO, UM, HOW WOULD I DO THAT? RIGHT. TELL US HOW THAT YOU WOULD BE, IT'D BE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION AND WE COULD DO IT NOW. WELL, OH, IF HE JUST WANTS TO DO, IF HE . WELL, I MEAN, THEN IT, IT'S JUST COMMON. I MEAN, PROVIDING A DISCUSSION AT THIS POINT, WHEN STAFF IS HERE, WE'RE TAKING NOTES WHEN, YOU KNOW, LEADERSHIP IS HERE, THEY'RE TAKING NOTES AS WELL. OKAY. SO THEY'RE LISTENING. BUT I MEAN, IF YOU WANNA DO A FORMAL IN THE MINUTES, YOU KNOW, RECOMMENDATION, THEN YOU WOULD CREATE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION AND THEN AT THAT POINT EVERYONE WOULD VOTE ON IT. BUT I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS I MAY NOT HAVE TO, IF I WERE TO NOTED, WELL, IF IT'S BEEN PART OF THIS DISCUSSION, AND THEN WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS. STAFF WILL THEN REVISIT AND SEE IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN ACCOMMODATE. I, YEAH. I IF STAFF, SO FOR EXAMPLE, DALTON SAID, YES, WE CAN GET THAT REPORT FOR YOU. AND THEN I THINK AT THAT POINT IT WAS WHEN IS THE REPORT COMING BACK? AND I THINK IT WAS DECIDED MAYBE QUARTERLY. AT LEAST THAT'S HOW I UNDERSTOOD IT. YEAH. THAT, SO THEN AT THAT POINT THERE IS, IT'S, IT'S BEEN APPROVED, IT'LL BECOME FORTH WITH, YOU KNOW, UM, BUT FOR ANYTHING ELSE, IT DEPENDS ON THE SUGGESTION. I MEAN IT FOR THE SMALLER THINGS. CORRECT. IF YOU DON'T WANNA HEAR THE STAFFING UPDATE, I MEAN, I'M SURE THAT WE'LL LET ALL KNOW. AND THAT'LL BE SOMETHING THAT'LL BE REMOVED. FOR THE LARGER POLICY ONES, YOU WOULD MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION, WE WOULD REVIEW AND SEE IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ACCOMMODATE. IF WE FEEL LIKE IT'S STILL PERTINENT INFORMATION THAT SHOULD BE, OR, YOU KNOW, SENT OUT TO THE PUBLIC AT THAT POINT, IT WOULD BE REMAINED. OKAY. SO I MENTIONED THE, SO I WOULD, I WOULD, I'M GONNA GO, I WOULD WANNA GO THROUGH DALTON THE QUARTERLY PRESENTATION. SO, AND I'M GONNA GO THROUGH THE OTHER PRESENTATION IN MORE DETAIL. I JUST PICKED OUT. [00:55:01] THERE MAY BE MORE THINGS, SO I'LL JUST LET YOU KNOW AND YOU WILL TAKE IT IN AND DECIDE WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. YEAH. OKAY. AND I'LL COPY YOU AND, OKAY. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF RECEIVING A FILING OF THIS , WE, REGARDING THE QUARTERLY HOMELESS SERVICES UPDATE FOR THE HOMELESS SERVICE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, I, NEXT, I MEAN, I DID NOT AGENDA RECOMMENDATION TO FILE A DISCUSSION ON THE DRAFT POLICY AND PROCEDURES RELATED TO THE POWERS OF AUTHORITY COMMANDED TO THE FORMAL SERVICES ADVISORY COMMITTEE. UM, I KNOW WE ONLY HAVE TWO MINUTES. YEAH. SO, UM, I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MOVE THAT ONE. OKAY. BECAUSE WE NEED THAT ONE TO THE NEXT COMMITTEE. YEAH. UM, AND THEN SARAH PROVIDED A REAL QUICK UPDATE ON THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS, UH, RECEIVE AND FILE DISCUSSION ON THE 90 24, 3 25 EXACT POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS. UM, AND ALREADY FILED. WE DID, BUT WE DID, WE NEVER GOT ANY RESPONSE. SO SHE, SHE SAID THAT, UM, WE NEED TO LOOK AT HOW THE CITY IS SETTING THE GOALS FOR THE CHRONIC HOMELESS. REMEMBER WE HAD THAT BUILT TO ZERO PRESENTATION MM-HMM . AND WE DON'T KNOW HOW THAT IS GONNA FEED INTO THE STRATEGIC PLAN. SO IT, AND SHE DIDN'T, UM, YOUNG LADY DID NOT MAKE REFERENCE TO THAT WHEN SHE DID HER PRESENTATION. SO, HANNAH, NO, SAVANNAH, HANNAH, HANNAH BUILT FOR ZERO. OH YES. OKAY. YEAH. RIGHT. SO ANYWAY, SO SARAH SAYS, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THAT. AND, UM, SHE WANTS AN UPDATE ON THE, UM, HOMELESS PREVENTION, RENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM, UM, IF THERE WAS TALK OF IMPLEMENTING ONE. AND THEN, UM, OUR SHELTERING GOAL, HOMELESS PREVENTION, RENTAL ASSISTANCE PRO THIS FOR, I MEAN WE HAVE A HOMELESS PREVENTION PROGRAM, BUT WHAT PROGRAM IS SHE DISCUSSING? DON'T REALLY HAVE A HOMELESS PREVENTION PROGRAM. YEAH, WE DO. WE HAVE TWO CONTRACTS FOR HOMELESS PREVENTION. OKAY. I'VE HAD PEOPLE WITH EVICTION NOTICES AND I'VE GONE TO EVERYBODY AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE MONEY TO PROVIDE RENT ASSISTANCE FOR EVICTION NOTICES. WE HAVE CONTRACTS. ONE OF THEM WAS PAID OUT OF PAP AND THEN WE MOVED IT OVER TO MEASURE. I MEAN, IT, WE HAVE IT. DO I KNOW IF YOU KNOW THERE'S ENOUGH FUNDING OR IF THEY'VE ALREADY MET THEIR, YOU KNOW, BUT IS THAT WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING OR IS THERE ANOTHER YES. UPDATE ON THE PREVENTION PROGRAM. IT'S ALSO LIKE A BASIC INCOME, LIKE TOO FOR THAT ONE. YEAH. BUT THAT THEY DID A PILOT SEVERAL YEARS AGO, BUT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO ANOTHER ONE. YEAH. YEAH. THERE WAS, WHAT'S THE ZERO THING CALLED? IT'S NOPE. FOR ZERO. JUST ADDING TO THAT GREAT, GREAT THING. END OF REPORTS. RIGHT? I'D LIKE IT TO BE IN QUARTERLY REPORT AND UPDATES. IT'S, IT'S WORK YOU'RE DOING RIGHT NOW. IT'S, IT'S A ONE YEAR. I'D LIKE TO HAVE A GRAPH CREATED RELATED TO IT THAT SHOWS WHAT OUR CHRONIC, CHRONIC COMES. SO, RIGHT. HOW THE GOAL BEING MET AND WHERE IT IS WHEN IT STARTS, AND HOW THE PLAN IS GOING TO, UM, TO ACHIEVE THAT. PRESENT IT IN THE WORK. AND I THINK IT'S GREAT WORK AND I'D LOVE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT IT AND COMMUNICATE WITH THAT. MM-HMM . OKAY. SO I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MOVE. UM, I NEED A MOTION TO, TO MOVE THE ITEM NUMBER FOUR AND ITEM NUMBER FIVE TO THE NEXT MEETING. OKAY. SECOND. GREAT. SO FAVOR, AYE. NICE COMMENT. I'M GONNA, IN THE, UH, IN THE UPDATE, HOME UPDATE, UM, THE MAYOR, UH, A NUMBER OF MONTHS AGO MADE APPROXIMATELY, MADE A STATEMENT AND ANNOUNCED HIS ZERO UNIT ALMOST MUST GOAL MM-HMM . SO THAT, THAT SHOULD BE PART OF UPDATE OF THE UPDATE THAT THEY BUILT. IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT IS ONE OF THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THEY DON'T TRACK IT. OTHERWISE THEY CAN, CAN EITHER BE APPROVED. THE COUNCIL COULD SAY NO, NO, NO. OR THE COUNCIL COULD SAY YES, BUT [01:00:02] THERE NEEDS TO BE FOLLOW UP ON HOW THAT GETS INTO THE UP UPDATE FOR THE QUARTERLY UPDATE. NO, FOR THE, OH, EVERYONE. IT'S THE EVERYONE AT HOME. OKAY. EVERYONE. HOMES BUILDING STRATEGY. MAYOR ANNOUNCED THE STRATEGY ZERO YOUTH HOMELESSNESS. IT HAS TO, IT EITHER HAS TO BE PART OF IT OR THE COUNCIL HAS TO VOTE THAT IT'S NOT PART OF IT. IS IT GOING TO BE A RECOMMENDATION OR IS IT NOT GONNA BE PART OF THE UPDATE? THEN? I DON'T HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT BE SAID. IT SHOULD ALL, UM, , UH, SORRY. WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER SIX FOR RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE DISCUSSION REGARDING FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. UM, WAIT, I THOUGHT THAT WAS, IS THERE DISCUSSION ON FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA DISCUSS? WE HAVE TWO ROLLING OVER. YES, WE DO. AND I THINK THE, THAT YEAH. DISCUSSION IS GONNA TAKE. OKAY. OKAY. THAT, OKAY. CAN WE GET A, A MOTION SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. I DO HAVE A TEAM ANNOUNCEMENT THAT SOMEBODY BROUGHT MY, THAT HERE. UM, WE PUT SOME NOTICE THAT IN TOMORROW'S AGENDA FOR THE COUNCIL, THERE'S AN ITEM THAT SAYS, UM, THERE'S AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA THAT SAYS A RECOMMENDATION TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER OR HIS DESIGN TO EXECUTE ALL AGREEMENTS NECESSARY TO RETURN OF ADVANCED PAYMENT GRANT FUNDING TO THE CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND, AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT IN THE, UM, AMOUNT OF $5.6 MILLION FOR THE MODULAR FOR DEVELOPMENT. OH NO, FOR, FOR THE MODULAR NON-IT SHELTER PROJECT KNOWN AS TINY HOMES. UM, DID YOU, SO BASICALLY THERE'S AN ITEM IN TOMORROW CITY COUNCIL MEETING THAT SAYS WE ARE GOING TO GIVE BACK THE STATE $5.6 MILLION FOR THE 20 HOMES. AND I ASSUME IT ALL I HAVE IS A LITTLE THING, UM, AND NOT DO TINY HOMES. IS THAT RIGHT? I FEEL LIKE BECAUSE OF THE CCC DIDN'T NO, THEY'RE ASKED TO TAKE IT OVER. NO, THEY HAVE BEEN THEIR CLIENTS. YES. SO THEN NOBODY'S DOING, WE'RE NOT MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT PROJECT. SO THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO THIS, THIS EVER RETURNING THE MONEY WILL BE THAT THERE IS NO MONEY TO DO TINY HOMES AT THIS POINT IN TIME. CORRECT. BUT I THOUGHT WE BOUGHT THE TINY HOMES. NO, IT WAS A GRANT. BUT IF THE GRANT SITTING IN THE BUDGET OVER HERE, NO, RECEIVE THE FUNDS, WE'RE RETURNING BACK THE FUNDS, IT'S OVER HERE. IT'S NOT BEING SPENT. THE BUDGET IS THIS MUCH AND THERE'S THIS MONEY THAT'S, THAT CAN BE HELD FOR A PERIOD OF TIME. AND THEN IF IT'S NOT USED, AND IF THE DECISION IS MADE, NOT TO GO FORWARD EVERY TIME. I KNOW, BUT I THOUGHT WE ACTUALLY PURCHASED THE PHYSICAL 33 TINY HOMES. OH, WE ARE NOT MOVING FORWARD WITH THE TINY PROJECT. WHERE ARE THOSE NOT, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE HOMES ARE, BUT WE ARE NOT MOVING FORWARD WITH THOSE HOMES. BUT THEY ARE OWNED BY THE CITY OF LONG BEACH. CORRECT? CORRECT. SO DO WE WANT TO HEAR WHAT THE CITY OF LONG BEACH IS GONNA DO WITH THOSE AND THEN COME BACK TO THE NEXT WASN'T LIKE, THERE WASN'T LIKE A VENDOR THAT WE RETURNED. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITH THE TINY HOMES, BUT WE WILL NOT BE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE TINY HOME PROJECT. CAN WE GET, CAN WE GET AN UPDATE ON WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO THE 33 THAT WE PURCHASED? I MEAN, I'M CURIOUS. YEAH, WE COULD, THEY COULD BE PURPOSEFUL. THAT COULD BE FOR FUTURE. THEY ALL HAVE BATHROOMS IN I'M SERIOUS. SO WITH OUR AJOUR, THANK YOU. BUT I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.