* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:02] IF WE'RE READY TO GO, IT IS THREE OH SEVEN AND YOU CAN CALL COMMISSIONER WISE [ROLL CALL] PRESENT. COMMISSIONER CHAVA PRESENT. COMMISSIONER MORALES COMMISSIONER. SORRY. COMMISSIONER DI? THAT'S HERE. COMMISSIONER NORMAN. PRESENT VICE CHAIR COLEMAN. PRESENT. CHAIR P*****K. PRESENT. ALRIGHT, WE HAVE AND FOR THE RECORD, UM, COMMISSIONER MORALE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE, UH, [1. 25-54617 Recommendation to approve the minutes for the Ethics Commission meeting of Wednesday, February 12, 2025.        Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR THE ETHICS COMMISSION MEETING OF WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 12TH, 2025. DO I HAVE OUR MOTION? SO MOVED. SECOND MOTION BASE SECOND BY COLEMAN FOR THE DISCUSSION. ANY PUBLIC COMMENT CALL PUBLIC COMMENT TIME? YEAH. WE'LL STILL NEED A CALL ON THAT. OKAY. JUST, JUST FOR THE, THE RECORD? YEAH. GOT IT. OKAY. SEEING NO PUBLIC COMMENT WILL TAKE A VOTE. COMMISSIONER WEISS AYE. COMMISSIONER SHOTWELL. AYE. COMMISSIONER DE BEEZ? AYE. COMMISSIONER NOR AYE. VICE CHAIR COLEMAN. AYE. CHAIR P*****K. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO, RECOMMENDATION [2. 25-54618 Recommendation to receive and file the Inaugural Annual Report of the Office of Ethics and Transparency.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] TO RECEIVE AND FILE THE INAUGURAL ANNUAL REPORT OF THE OFFICE, OFFICE OF ETHICS AND TRANSPARENCY. DO I HAVE A MOTION? SO MOVED. SECOND, THE RECORD MOTION BY NOR. SECOND CHAIR ONLY THAT, UM, HEATHER AND HER TEAM DID AN AMAZING JOB WITH THE REPORT. I HAD LIKE TO SECOND THAT. I AGREE. MY, UH, ONLY THOUGHT WAS THAT I, THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT WE NEEDED TO REPORT, WHICH, UH, IS QUITE EVIDENT. UH, AND MAYBE NOW THAT THIS IS, UH, THE WORK IS KIND OF THE WORK OF KIND THE PROCESSES OF GETTING THE INFORMATION, PULLING IT ALL TOGETHER, PULLING THE REPORT TOGETHER. WHAT I WOULD ENCOURAGE IS THAT THERE ARE WAYS OF, ON SOME OF THE ITEMS WITHIN THE REPORT, UM, UH, TO PROVIDE A VISUAL GRAPHIC. I DON'T BE AROUND NECESSARILY TO BENEFIT MAYBE ON A QUARTERLY BASIS, INCLUDING THE ETHICS OFFICE REPORT, KIND OF, KIND OF WHAT IS YEAR TO DATE OR WHAT'S THE LAST 12 MONTHS HAVE BEEN, UH, SO THAT THE ETHICS COMMISSION CAN SEE IT ON A ROLLING BASIS AND IT MAY ACTUALLY AGENDA SOME QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSIONS THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. AND THAT MIGHT BE, THAT MIGHT BE THE KEY THING ABOUT IT IS, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT CREATE AN IDEA OF THOUGHT IF SOMEBODY'S REVIEWING A TASK ABOUT SOMETHING, UH, THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. CASE REPORT ON MANUAL. IN OTHER WORDS, AGAIN, A MORE GRANULAR LOOK AT IT ON A COURT BASIS. COMMISSIONER WA YEAH, I THOUGHT IT, IT WAS, IT'S GREAT. IT'S BEAUTIFUL. UM, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE, UM, PAGE THAT WE HAVE THAT'S ABOUT THE, UM, THE INQUIRIES THAT WE GOT FOR GUIDANCE. AND I WAS JUST CURIOUS, DO WE, DO WE KNOW WHAT THE INFORMATION IS, WHETHER THE PERSON CALLING IN IS AN EMPLOYEE OR A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC OR, OR OFFICIAL OR WHATEVER IF THEY'RE, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO KNOW. IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO ME AND WHERE THE CALLS COME FROM. OKAY. UM, SO, UH, FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER, SO I'M NOT SURE IF IT NEEDS TO BE IN THE REPORT. I GUESS IT DEPENDS ON WHAT IT WAS, BUT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING I WOULD THINK ABOUT ADDING TO THE SECTION. UM, UH, GOING, YOU GOING FORWARD, COMMISSIONER DE BE, UM, A STUNNING, STUNNING, UM, UH, SIMILAR TO, [00:05:01] UH, COMMISSIONER WISE ON THE, UH, ON THE HELPLINE STATISTIC, UH, ARE THESE, UH, UPON INTAKE OR ARE THESE RESOLVED? THESE OF THE ACTIVITY YOU ARE GONNA, SO THESE ARE ALL, OKAY. NOT ALL OF THEM. AND I WAS TRYING TO GET DOWN TO THAT NUMBER. UM, TRY TO DO A LITTLE BIT SOONER. UM, SO THESE ARE ALL THE CALLS THAT WE RECEIVE IN 2024. SO NOT ALL OF THEM, RIGHT? YEAH. SO, UM, A CHUNK OF THEM GOT REFERRED OUT TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS. UM, BECAUSE OF MY LIMITED AUTHORITY, I DON'T CONDUCT THE INVESTIGATION, BUT I INITIATE ATION AND THERE'S AN EXPECTATION THAT THERE'S A REPORT OUT BACK TO ME, UM, WITH THE CITY MANAGEMENT TEAM AS WELL. UM, SO THERE ARE A HANDFUL OF THOSE CASES. THERE ARE SOME, AND I CAN PULL THOSE NUMBERS FOR NEXT TIME, JUST TO GIVE YOU BREAK, GET DOWN TO, THERE WAS PROBABLY AT LEAST FIVE OF THOSE CALLS THAT, UM, DIDN'T APPLY TO ANYTHING. IT WAS DEFINITELY A CALL FROM THE PUBLIC, UM, ABOUT RANDOM THINGS. THERE WAS A FEW CALLS THAT WERE, UM, VERY PERSONNEL RELATED THAT SHOULD JUST BE HANDLED AT THE DEPARTMENT LEVEL. MM-HMM . FYI, HERE'S THIS INFORMATION I RECEIVED. I'M NOT GONNA PURSUE IT. YOU CAN CHOOSE TO, IF YOU WANNA DIVE DEEPER INTO THE, UM, SO YEAH. OKAY. I, THE, UM, I THINK IT IS KIND OF EARLY IN THE GAME, AS YOU SAID, WE DON'T HAVE CERTAIN PROCESSES, UM, IN PLACE AND, UM, THE RELATIONSHIP HAVE TO BUILD, ET CETERA. BUT IT'S ALWAYS GOOD. COMMISSIONER WHITE SAID, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SOURCE, UH, IF IT IS PUBLIC, NON OR, UM, UH, STACK ORIGIN, THAT'S ALWAYS INTERESTING. EVEN IF YOU CAN GET INTO IT. IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU CARVE UP YOUR DATA MANAGEMENT VERSUS NON, THAT'S ALWAYS A GOOD ONE. UH, AND THEN SOME MEASURE OF CLOSURE, WHETHER IT BE, YOU KNOW, UNDER 30 DAYS GREATER THAN 90, ET CETERA, BECAUSE YOU'RE ALWAYS GONNA HAVE SOME OUTLIERS. UH, BUT I, I TRUST THAT YOU, YOU'RE GOING TO, YOU'RE LEARNING ALL ABOUT THE ART AND HOW TO CARVE UP THE DATA. UM, 'CAUSE THAT'S USUALLY AFTER THE PROGRAM WILL MATURE PEOPLE WILL BE LOOKING FOR WHERE THE RESULTS, YOU KNOW, DO YOU GET ANY ACCOUNTING ADJUSTMENTS OUT OF THIS? DID ANYBODY GET DISCIPLINED? WHAT ARE THE, UM, AND IT HAS, IT CAN BE PRETTY INNOCUOUS, BUT YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT KIND OF GIVES THAT LITTLE, THE BOW ON THE END OF IT. WHAT HAPPENS, UH, HOW ARE THESE THINGS RESOLVED? BUT OTHERWISE, I THINK IT'S A GREAT REPORT CHAIR. I JUST WANNA, JUST WANNA FOLLOW ON, UM, TO A COMMENT THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER DAVID THAT WE MADE, AND, YOU KNOW, WE GETTING THE WHOLE STATUS, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE REPORTED ON A QUARTERLY BASIS OF THE COMMISSION. LIKE, WHERE IS IT AT WITHIN THE PROCESS? WHERE WAS IT REFERRED TO? WHAT HAVE THEY DONE WITH IT TO THE EXTENT THEY REPORT BACK TO YOU OR NOT? UH, THE OTHER IS A QUESTION OF IF IT IS A, SOMETHING THAT'S OUTSIDE YOUR AREA OF RESPONSIBILITY. UH, AND IT'S REFERRED TO THE DEPARTMENT. DOES HR, THE HR ORGANIZATION OR THE CITY ALSO GET, UH, MADE AWARE OF THAT? BECAUSE I'M THEY DO. YES. SO BECAUSE OF, I CAN ONLY GO SO FAR WITH UNDER MY ETHICS OFFICER HAT. SO I WORK WITH HR QUITE A BIT, UM, ON THE, BECAUSE A GOOD DEAL OF THE CALLS THAT GET PURSUED ARE FROM EMPLOYEES ABOUT DIFFERENT MATTERS. AND DEPENDING ON THE LEVEL OF MANAGEMENT, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT THE COMPLAINT IS BEING MADE, IT'S EITHER I'M EITHER LOOPING IN A DEPARTMENT HEAD AND THEIR ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER, OR I'M GOING RIGHT TO EXECUTIVE LEADERSHIP IN HR. SAY, THIS IS WHAT I HAVE, THESE ARE MY QUESTIONS, THESE ARE THE CONCERNS. AND THEN THEY DO THEIR INVESTIGATION AND THEN WE, THEY GIVE ME A REPORT BACK. USUALLY, UM, TOM WAS GONNA A COPY AS WELL. MY CONCERN WAS GOING TO A DEPARTMENT MANAGER AND HR NOT BEING MADE AWARE, AND THEN THE DEPARTMENT MANAGER CAN JUST KIND OF GO OFF AND LIKE STILL IGNORE IT OR SOMETHING ALONG THAT LINE. THERE'S ALWAYS A DEADLINE. THEY ALWAYS HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME TO REPORT BACK. AND THEN I HAVEN'T HEARD BACK FROM THEM. I'M CIRCLING BACK WITH HIM AND, AND TOM AND APRIL ARE LINKEDIN, THE WHOLE ENTIRE LINKEDIN THROUGH THAT. UM, BUT I LIKE THAT IDEA OF HAVING HR [00:10:01] ALL THE TIME. AND THEN LASTLY, I'M SORRY, IS, UM, IF THERE IS A WAY TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF AN ANONYMIZED REPORTING, AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE EACH AND EVERY THING TO KIND OF SELECTIVE MATTER TO KIND OF GIVE THE COMMISSION THE IDEA OF WHAT'S BEING DONE OR WHAT'S BEING ALLEGED OUT THERE AND THE RESOLUTION OF IT, UM, SOMEHOW ANONYMIZING IT SO THAT, SO MUCH THAT, YOU KNOW, THE COMMISSION COULD DEFINITELY SEE IT. I, BUT YOU KNOW, I WOULD EVEN GO SO FAR AS THAT YOU COULD BE, YOU MIGHT BETTER PUT SAMPLING IN THE END OR REPORT, UH, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT JUST SO YOU COULD, THIS ALLEGATION WAS MADE AGAINST THIS LEVEL, WHY IT WAS INVESTIGATED AND, UM, HERE'S WHAT WAS DETERMINED TO BE TRUE. UM, AND HERE WAS THE RESULT. UH, BUT REMOVING ENOUGH INFORMATION SO YOU CAN'T PINPOINT WHO IT WAS. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . SO YOU SAID SOMETHING THAT I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE HELPLINE IS A CITYWIDE HEALTHLINE, SO PEOPLE AT THE COURT AND UTILITIES, THE PUBLIC. YEAH. OKAY. IT, IT IS NOT LIMITED TO THE CITY MANAGER'S DEPARTMENT. NO. GOT IT. OKAY. I DO, THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING AND IT CAN CONFIRM IT. THANKS. SURE. I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. UM, HEATHER, DID YOU, AND I MAY HAVE MISSED IT, SO I APOLOGIZE. DID YOU INCLUDE ANYTHING ABOUT THE AL CONFERENCE THAT YOU ATTENDED AND ANY OTHER PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT TRAININGS THAT YOU DO? BECAUSE THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER SINCE THAT THAT IS PART OF WHAT YOU DO. YEAH, IT'S IN, IT IS. OKAY. IT'S IN YOUR ANNUAL REPORT. I DON'T THINK I INCLUDED IT. RIGHT. I SAW IT IN THE ANNUAL REPORT, BUT I DIDN'T SEE IT IN YOURS. YEAH, THAT'S, THANK YOU. MM-HMM . BECAUSE I YOU ATTEND CONFERENCES, RIGHT? MM-HMM . YEAH. AND YOU PRESENTED AT ONE, WHICH I THINK OUGHT BE INCLUDED. YEAH. AGREED. RIGHT. I KNOW I, ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? SEE NO PUBLIC COMMENT. WE'LL TAKE A VOTE. COMMISSIONER WEISS. AYE. COMMISSIONER? AYE. COMMISSIONER DI AYE. COMMISSIONER NORMAN. AYE. VICE CHAIR COLEMAN. AYE. CHAIR P*****K. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE, [3. 25-54619 Recommendation to receive and file, and if necessary, provide feedback to the Chair and Vice Chair on the Ethics Commission’s 2024 Annual Report draft.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE. AND IF NECESSARY, PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO THE CHAIR OF VICE CHAIR OF THE ETHICS COMMISSIONS 2024 ANNUAL REPORT DRAFT. DO I HAVE A MOTION? SO SORRY, SECOND FOR THE RECORD. THAT WAS A MOTION BY AND A SECOND BY WEIS. CORRECT. DISCUSSION FROM THE COMMISSION CHAIR. I HAVE A QUESTION. MM-HMM . ON PAGE. HOPEFULLY WHEN I PRINTED THIS, MY PAGE NUMBER REFLECTS YOUR PAGE NUMBER. BUT ON PAGE FOUR FOR THE MEETING ATTENDANCE IT THE WAY I READ BULLET POINT NUMBER TWO, UH, WHICH STATES FOUR ACTIVE AD HOC COMMITTEE COMMITTEES MEETINGS, WHICH OCCURRED AT LEAST ONCE A MONTH AND WERE CONSISTENTLY REPORTED TO THE FULL COMMISSION. I'M WONDERING, IS THAT A LITTLE, AND THEN ABOVE IT, IT SAYS 12 PUBLIC MONTHLY MEETINGS, INCLUDING A SPECIAL MEETING IN MAY. TO ME WHEN I READ IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE 13 MEETINGS, EVEN THOUGH THE CHART DOESN'T HAVE 13, IT READS AS IF MAYBE WE HAD 13 MEETINGS. JUST LOOK AT THE FIRST BULLET IS 12 MONTHLY MEETINGS, INCLUDING THE SPECIAL MEETING. RIGHT. AND THEN THE SECOND BULLET MAYBE BELONGS SOMEWHERE ELSE THAT WE HAD FOUR ACTIVE AD HOCS. WE JUST NEED TO TAKE OUT THE BOARD MEETING. AH, OKAY. WE NEED TO CHANGE THE, WHICH MEANT AT LEAST ONCE A MONTH AND WE YEAH, IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING. YEAH. OR MISLEADING. NO, IT LIKE, WHY VITAMINS ON. YEAH. SORRY. OTHERWISE IT'S DID YOU DO THIS, HEATHER, THE TEAM TOGETHER? VERY NICE. THANK YOU. I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION, HEATHER. MM-HMM . THE INTRODUCTORY PARAGRAPH, THE OVERVIEW IS, [00:15:01] IS AN EARLIER DRAFT OF THE OVERVIEW. I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU HAD MADE A CHANGE INTENTIONALLY OR I, THAT WAS INTENTIONAL. I COPIED AND PASTED THAT FROM LAST YEAR ONLY BECAUSE, UM, JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF AN EXPLANATION OF WHO YOU ALL ARE, SO WE CAN TAKE THAT OUT. OH, THERE, THERE WAS AN ALTERNATIVE IN WHAT I SENT YOU. OKAY. BECAUSE WHEN THE TEAM DID THINGS, THINGS KIND OF GOT MOVED AROUND. BUT I DID HAVE AN INTRODUCTORY PARAGRAPH. OKAY. THAT IN MY MIND WAS AN EDIT OF THIS. OKAY. GOT IT. YOU'RE ON THE COMMISSIONER PAGE? YES. UH, YES. UH, WELL, YEAH. YEAH. IT'S THE FIRST PARAGRAPH THAT WE DRAFTED. THIS BACKGROUND. YEAH. I THINK IT WOULD GO ON. YOU'RE RIGHT. YES. THE YEAR CALENDAR YEAR MARKED. YES. OKAY. YEAH. YEAH, YEAH. I AGREE. WAS A DIFFERENT, YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. IT'S ON THE, THE FIRST PARAGRAPH OF THE OVERVIEW MM-HMM . AND THE FIRST PARAGRAPH OF THAT I HAD SENT TO YOU WERE DIFFERENT. OKAY. OKAY. AND ONE THING WE'RE REQUIRED TO SAY WE WANT TO CONTINUE. SO IN MY PARAGRAPH I SAID COMMISSION, IT'S RECOMMENDED THAT THE ETHICS COMMISSION CONTINUE THIS WORK, THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYONE RECALLS, BUT THERE WAS ACTUALLY A, AN ORDINANCE TASK THAT SETS OUT WHAT MUST BE IN THE REPORT. I, YOU KNOW ME, I'M CHECKING EVERY BOX. NO, I, NO, I WAS, IT WAS, I WAS APPRECIATING THAT . WHAT, WHAT ELSE IS IN THAT ORDINANCE? OH, OH. ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU SEE IN THE REPORT. OKAY. THE ATTENDANCE IS, IS REQUIRED, UH, KEY ISSUES. I DON'T HAVE THE ORDINANCE IN FRONT OF ME, BUT I DID CHECK IT. OKAY. UM, THE BUDGETING ISSUE IS REQUIRED TO BE IN THERE. HOW MUCH WAS SPENT TO SUPPORT THE COMMISSION OH. AND ALL OF THAT. AND ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT THE COMMISSION, THOSE ARE ALL MANDATORY. I THOUGHT IT WAS GOOD THAT YOU POINTED OUT THAT WHAT THE ASSIGNMENTS ARE OF THE, OF THE PEOPLE WORKING WITH THE COMMISSION THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY RELATED TO ETHICS. I THOUGHT IT WAS GOOD TO MAKE THAT CLEAR. I'LL HAVE TO TALK THE FINAL DRAFT THAT YOU SENT ME ON THE, OKAY. DO YOU HAVE A FEW MINUTES AFTER THIS MEETING? OKAY. I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. WHERE IS THE MENTION OF THE ? I DID READ THIS AT THE BOTTOM THE END. YES. IN 2024. IT'S ON PAGE THREE. THE LAST PAGE, THE LAST PARAGRAPH, LAST SENTENCE. IN 2024, THE CITY ETHICS OFFICE PRESENTED AT THECAL ETHICS SYMPOSIUM. SEVERAL OF THE OET STAFF MEMBERS ATTENDED 2024 COUNCIL OF FEDERMAN, ALONG WITH SEVERAL OF THE BOSSES. WHAT'S 48 OF 1 24 P IN THE, YEAH, THERE'S NO UPDATED PACKET. OKAY. I THINK MINE IS ENDING WITH THE CITY ETHICS PROGRAM. YEAH. NOW GO TO THE NEXT, GO TO THE NEXT SENTENCE. [00:20:03] OH, I SEE. OKAY. WE, AND WE LOST A LITTLE BIT AT THE END THERE, ALONG WITH SEVERAL OF THE COMMISSIONERS. YEAH. MINE DOESN'T OPEN UP. RIGHT. ANY OTHER INPUT? I ASSUME THAT WOULD BE WHATEVER IS CAUSING THAT. I DON'T KNOW HOW IT SENT OUT, IF IT SENT OUT ELECTRONICALLY OR IT SENT OUT IN PAPER FORMAT THAT ELECTRON. OKAY. WELL, I JUST WANT YOU TO SEE HOW THIS IS OPENING ONLINE AND PDF. SO IT WAS LIKE SOMETHING THAT SHE CALLED TO EXPORT OR SOMETHING. OKAY. IT HAPPENED THROUGHOUT THE DOCUMENT GOING TO PFI WAS ASSUMING THAT IT WOULD, UM, NOW, UH, MAR RECOMMENDED THAT WE ACTUALLY GET ON THE COUNCIL AGENDA AND PRESENT OUR ANNUAL REPORT. UM, WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE THE PROCESS FOR THAT? AND WHAT IS THE LIKELIHOOD THAT WE WOULD ACTUALLY GET ON THE COUNCIL AGENDA? WE, WE WE'RE READY TO SEND THE REPORT, BUT NOT TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION ON THE RECORD. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW LIKELY THAT IS, GIVEN THAT THERE WILL BE DOZEN OTHER COMMISSIONS THAT WILL WORK TO DO THE SAME THING. HOWEVER, HOW IS A REQUEST SUBMITTED? TYLER REQUEST SPECIFIC RECOMMENDED WE PRESENT OUR ANNUAL REPORT TO THE CONSULATE PERSON. UM, WELL, THE FI EITHER MAYOR CAN PUT AN ITEM ON OR COUNCIL, BUT, UM, I DUNNO IF YOU HAVE ANY UPCOMING MEETINGS WITH THE OFFICES, UM, WE DO HAVE LATER IN THIS AGENDA AN ITEM THAT LIKELY WILL GO TO THE COUNCIL. ABSOLUTELY. IF THE FULL COMMISSION APPROVES TODAY. SO SHOULD WE TRY TO COMBINE THOSE ITEMS? NO, I WOULD SEPARATE THOSE JUST BECAUSE THAT ONE'S RELATED TO THE ORDINANCE SPECIFICALLY. AND THIS ONE'S MORE ABOUT THE , UH, REPORT. BUT I MEAN, IT COULD JUST BE A SEPARATE MOTION BASICALLY. UM, AND HOW DID THAT HAPPEN? JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS IS THEIR ANNUAL REPORT THAT EVERY COMMISSION HAS TO DO. YEAH. BUT TO DO AN ACTUAL PRESENTATION IN FRONT OF COUNCIL INSTEAD OF THE JUST RECEIVE AND FILE. SO IT USED TO BE MORE OF A PRESENTATION IN FIRM COUNCIL. NOW THEY CHANGED IT TO STREAMLINE THAT. THE COMMISSION DO, BASICALLY, HERE'S THE DOCUMENT TO THE CLERK. UM, SO ARE YOU ASKING TO DO LIKE AN ACTUAL IN PERSON PRESENTATION TO RECEIVE FILE? I'M MENTIONING THAT OUR OUTSIDE CONSULTANT WITH THAT RECOMMENDATION. I MEAN, I THINK YEAH, IT COULD JUST BE A MOTION TO MAKE THE REQUEST AND THEN IT COULD JUST BE AS PART OF THE SUBMISSION OF THE REPORT. POTENTIALLY. IT COULD BE THE COMMISSION ALSO REQUESTS THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO A PRESENTATION COUNCIL AND INCLUDE THAT IN MEMO THAT TRANSMITS THE REPORT. DOES MEMO TRANSMITTING COME FROM US? NO, IT COMES FROM HEATHER. OKAY. THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER. OKAY. SAME AS THE OTHERS. SO DO I NEED A SEPARATE VOTE ON THAT TO HAVE OUR TRANSMITTAL ALSO REQUEST AN IN PERSON PRESENTATION? WHEN YOU'RE APPROVING THE, UH, FINAL DOCUMENT THAT DOES GET SENT OVER TO CITY COUNCIL, YOU CAN HAVE THAT INTO THE MOTION. OR AT THAT TIME YOU COULD MAKE IT A FRIENDLY, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY. IS THIS THE FINAL THAT YOU'D WANNA, SO THERE ARE A COUPLE OF CHANGES THAT I MAKE TO THE FIRST PARAGRAPH. DO PEOPLE WANNA SEE THEM AGAIN OR DO YOU WANNA AUTHORIZE THE VICE CHAIR AND I TO FINALIZE FINAL PARAGRAPH? SOMEONE CAN MAKE THE GRANT AND THEN, YOU KNOW, SHOULD WE HAVE THE MOTION BY AND THEN, UH, SECOND AMENDMENT BY . SO IF YOU WANT, UH, GO TO THE FRONT. SO THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT WOULD BE THAT WE ACCEPT THE VICE CHAIR AND THE CHAIR, UM, EDITS THAT YOU DESCRIBED TODAY. UM, FINALIZE IT AND, UM, UH, TO SET IT ON TO HEATHER FOR CONSIDERATION FOR THE CITY COUNCIL, INCLUDING A REQUEST [00:25:01] REQUEST. AND BEFORE WE GO, I JUST WANT TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE A, TAKE A MOMENT TO SAY THAT, UM, CHAIR REALLY TOOK THE MANTLE ON THIS I AND THE TEAM. I JUST REALLY WANT TO, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK AND ATION MAKING SURE THAT THIS REPORT GOT OUT ONE TIME. OKAY. IT WASN'T BACK. THANK YOU. AND I DID NONE OF THE . YOU DIDN'T KNOW THAT. , COMMISSIONER WISE. YEAH, I, WITH THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, I'M ALL IN SUPPORT OF THAT. UM, I'LL JUST ADD THAT THAT SHOULD NOT, UM, KEEP PARTICULARLY THE CHAIR, VICE CHAIR FROM, UM, IF THEY, IF THEY THE MAYOR OR THERE ARE COUNCIL MEMBER TO THAT THEY'RE SPEAKING TO, UM, THAT MIGHT BE WILLING TO, TO BE A CHAMPION OF, OF, OF GETTING THIS ON THE AGENDA. MOTION DIS PURSUING THAT. THANK YOU. GREAT. ANY OTHER INPUT FROM THE COMMISSION? AND IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? NO. PUBLIC COMMENT. GO TO VOTE. COMMISSIONER WEISS. AYE. MR. AYE. COMMISSIONER DE AYE. COMMISSIONER NORBY. AYE. VICE CHAIR COLEMAN AYE. CHAIR POLL. AYE. MOTION CHAIRS. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR, RECOMMENDATION [4. 25-54620 Recommendation to solicit input for and authorize the Chair and Vice Chair to compose and submit a memorandum to the City Manager, Mayor and City Council, and Budget Oversight Committee regarding the Fiscal Year 2026 Budget and the Ethics Commission's budgetary requests and recommendations.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] TO SOLICIT INPUT FOR AND AUTHORIZE THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR TO COMPOSE AND SUBMIT A MEMORANDUM TO THE CITY MANAGER, MAYOR OF CITY COUNCIL AND BUDGET OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE REGARDING THE FISCAL YEAR 2026 BUDGET AND THE ETHICS, ETHICS COMMISSION'S, BUDGETARY REQUESTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS. UH, DO I HAVE A MOTION? SO MOVED. SECOND. THAT WAS A MOTION. MAY NOR SECOND BY CHAVA. YES. UM, ON, ON THIS ITEM, I, I WOULD LIKE TO START OUT BY SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT I, I VIEW THIS AS A LETTER FROM THE ETHICS COMMISSION THAT'S REALLY IN TWO PARTS. ONE IS ANY BUDGET REQUEST THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR, FOR THE COMMISSION. AND NUMBER TWO IS US EITHER RECOMMENDING ADDITIONAL STAFFING OR SUPPORTING REQUESTS FOR ADDITIONAL STAFFING OR MONEY FROM CITY DEPARTMENTS. SO IN THE PAST, FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE SUPPORTED REQUESTS FOR ADDITIONAL STAFFING IN THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. UM, AND I WOULD INTEND TO INCLUDE THAT AGAIN. UM, AND I HAVE SPOKEN WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY, UM, AND, AND SHE'S AWARE THAT, THAT I INTEND TO DO THAT. I, I THINK WE NEED ADDITIONAL STAFFING IN OET. DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE REQUESTING. UM, BUT REGARDLESS OF WHAT OET ASKS FOR, IF THE REMAINDER OF THE COMMISSION AGREES, I WOULD LIKE TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF, OF ADDITIONAL STAFFING FOR OET. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S OTHER, CERTAINLY WHEN WE GET TO THE ETHICS AND GOOD GOVERNANCE ACT, THERE ARE THINGS IN THERE THAT NEED TO BE STAFFED. BUT I THINK THAT THE CITY COUNCIL WILL HAVE TO ADDRESS THE STAFFING WHEN THEY ADDRESS STAFFING THAT'S ATTRIBUTABLE TO THE ETHICS AND GOOD GOVERNANCE ACT WHEN THEY ADDRESS THE ETHICS AND GOOD GOVERNANCE ACT. SO THIS WILL BE SEPARATE FROM THAT. SO, DISCUSSION THESE PEOPLE THINK WE SHOULD SUPPORT, UM, COMMISSIONER WISE? WELL, I DID HAVE A COUPLE THOUGHTS JUST FOLLOWING, I MEAN, WE HAVE THE, THE LOBBYING ORDINANCE, THE, UM, GOOD GOVERNMENT ORDINANCE, THE LOBBYING ORDINANCE, WE ARE THE COMMISSION IS DONE WITH, BUT THAT REQUIRED A LOT OF WORK FROM THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE JUST TO GET US TO THIS POINT. NOW THAT, UM, THAT THE, THE GOVERNANCE, UM, ACT HAS ALSO REQUIRED THAT THE ATTORNEYS WORK A LOT, I BELIEVE. AND IF THOSE WERE TO GO GO FORWARD AND, [00:30:01] AND THE COUNCIL PERHAPS WITH ADJUSTMENTS, THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO PUT THEM IN THE FORMAT, I SUGGESTED THAT'S WHERE YOU NEED A LOT MORE WORK FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. SO THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT, THAT, THAT OPPORTUNITY TO BE SURE PROPERLY FUNDED. AND OBVIOUSLY THAT THEY HAVE THE RESOURCE TO DO ALL THE OTHER STUFF, UM, DO SO, UM, THAT, AND HONESTLY, I'M HOPEFUL THAT IT'LL COME TO THAT OPTIMISTIC. OPTIMISTIC. YEAH. SO I DO THINK WE NEED TO MENTION THAT. THE OTHER, UM, THE OTHER THING THAT I HOPE WOULD BE THERE BE DIVISION FUNDS FOR IT'S WORTH CONTINUED TRAINING OF, OF STAFF BY GOING TO SOME OF THE CONFERENCES THAT FOUND WOULD BE VALUABLE. AND ALSO, UM, ATTEND SOME COMMISSIONERS TO THOSE AS WELL, BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT, THAT THE EXCHANGE OF PASSION AT THAT LEVEL ARE, ARE VERY USEFUL TO THE, THE EDUCATION AND THE CONTINUED IMPROVEMENT OF, OF THE FUNCTION OF, OF THIS FULFILLMENT OF BY, BY THIS CONDITION IT OBLIGATION THAT ARE UNDER THE, UNDER THE CHARTER. SO, SURE. UM, NOR YEAH. THANK YOU. UM, IN RESPECT TO THE LETTER THAT YOU DESCRIBED, THAT'LL BE BROKEN UP IN TWO PARTS. UM, NUMBER ONE, YOU SAID, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS REQUESTS SPECIFICALLY TO THE ETHICS COMMISSION. I JUST HAD A THOUGHT THAT PERHAPS MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR TRAINING OR, OR SIMILAR OPPORTUNITIES, WHETHER IT'S IN PERSON OR WEB. AND IN RESPECT TO NUMBER TWO, UM, REQUEST, REQUEST FOR THE OETI, IN ADDITION TO YOUR SUGGESTION OF ADDITIONAL, ADDITIONAL STAFF, I WAS ALSO THINKING OF FUNDING FOR, UM, ANY SOFTWARE OR PROGRAMS SPECIFIC TO OET TO PERFORM THEIR CORE, UH, FUNCTIONS AND JOB DUTIES. UM, LIKE TECHNOLOGY. UM, SOMETIMES IT MAY NOT HAVE SOFTWARE FOR A SPECIFIC DEPARTMENT OR UNIT, SO THAT DEPARTMENT ENDS UP HAVING TO GET THEIR OWN. SO IF THAT'S NEEDED, THEN I WOULD SUPPORT THAT. I I MAKE THAT SUGGESTION. UM, UH, THIS ITEM, WE ARE REQUESTING AUTHORITY TO DRAFT AND FINALIZE THIS LETTER AND SUBMIT IT WITHOUT COMING BACK TO THE COMMISSION. UH, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? SEE, NO PUBLIC COMMENT. GO AHEAD, TAKE THE VOTE. COMMISSIONER WEISS. AYE. COMMISSIONER SHOTWELL. AYE. COMMISSIONER VIC, A COMMISSIONER NOR AYE. COMMISSIONER COLEMAN. AYE. CHAIR POLL. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. OKAY. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE, RECOMMENDATION [5. 25-54621 Recommendation to receive and file an update on the implementation of the 5-Year Strategic Roadmap from the Office of Ethics and Transparency.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] TO RECEIVE A FILE AND UPDATE ON THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE FIVE YEAR STRATEGIC ROADMAP FROM THE OFFICE OF ETHICS AND TRANSPARENCY. DO I HAVE A MOTION? SO MOVED. WE HAVE A MOTION. I COLE EXTRA COLEMAN SECOND BY . UH, UM, HOW MUCH DO WE TO TIE TO WISE IF, IF CAN PUT, ARE THESE THE DOCUMENTS THAT WERE JUST SENT OUT? YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. UM, SO ON THIS ITEM, I WILL SAY [00:35:01] INITIALLY I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH OET. UM, SO OET HAS YEAR ONE PRIORITIES THAT MAY COVER ALL OF THE ETHICS COMMISSION PRIORITIES, BUT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO. UM, IF WE HAVE OTHER THINGS FROM THE STRATEGIC ROADMAP THAT WE THINK OUGHT TO BE MOVED UP, THAT'S, UH, A, A TOPIC FOR DISCUSSION, WHICH MEAN THAT AN EXISTING OET PRIORITY MIGHT HAPPEN IF WE MOVED DOWN, WHICH IS WHY IT'S GOT TO BE A DISCUSSION. UM, BUT YOU WANT ME TO KIND OF PRESENT? PLEASE DO. I JUST WANTED THAT IN. OKAY. SO YEAH, LIKE THE CHAIR SAID, THIS IS OUR REAL FIRST ATTEMPT TO REALLY ARTICULATE THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. UM, SO WHAT YOU HAVE IS REALLY, CHAIR AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS EARLIER. THIS GANTT CHART IS REALLY JUST A REALLY FANCY EXCEL SHEET, BUT THIS EXCEL SHEET HAS BEEN, WE'RE ALSO HAVE IT, WE'VE TRANSFERRED IT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT WORD IS FOR IT, BUT WE MIGRATED IT OVER TO A MICROSOFT LIST TO WHERE WE GET IT IS GONNA, THAT LIST IS GONNA ENABLE US TO GET IN THE WEEDS OF STUFF. SO WHAT, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE ALL OF MY NOTES, UM, DIFFERENT ATTACHMENTS, YOU GUYS, YOU GUYS PUSH TO WANT TO HAVE ACCESS TO SEE THAT. I'M FINE WITH THAT. UM, BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S, SO I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS THE CONCERN THAT YOU HAD ABOUT, BECAUSE THIS CHART DOESN'T NECESSARILY FOLLOW PROGRESS OR ASSIGN ASSIGNEES, ET CETERA, BUT THE MICROSOFT LIST, IT'S TRACKING ALL OF THAT. AND AS WE GET MORE USED TO THAT LIST AND USE IT TO ITS FULL CAPABILITY, UM, THAT'S DOING THE BULK OF THAT NITTY GRITTY TRACKING. ANYWAY. CAN I OBJECT THERE? CLARIFYING QUESTION? SURE. UM, MICROSOFT PLUS, IS THAT DIFFERENT THAN MICROSOFT PROJECT OR IT'S, IT IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PROGRAM. KIND OF DOES SOMETHING SIMILAR. SIMILAR, YEAH. THANK YOU. YEAH, IT'S JUST A WAY TO REALLY, UM, WRITE DOWN THE EXCEL SHEET INTO BITE SIZE USER FRIENDLY PIECES. UM, LIKE YOU CAN HAVE IT DO CERTAIN THINGS. IF YOU HAVE ANY TECHY QUESTIONS, I'LL HAVE TO ATE. THAT'S ABOUT MY LEVEL OF EXPLANATION ON THAT. UM, SO WHAT I DECIDED TO DO WAS TAKE A STEP BACK BECAUSE IT WAS BECOMING PRETTY OVERWHELMING TO TRY AND PLAN FIVE YEARS OUT WITH ALL OF THE RECOMMENDATION AND INTEGRATING ACTION PLAN, OUTSTANDING ACTION PLAN ITEMS AND OUTSTANDING MANAGEMENT RESPONSE PLANS FOR PLAN. SO THESE ARE YEAR ONE THAT I'VE IDENTIFIED AS THE ETHICS OFFICER STUFF THAT, THAT IT IS, ONCE I PUT THE LIST TOGETHER, IT'S A PRETTY LONG LIST, BUT KIND OF LOWER HANGING GROUP THAT WE CAN INITIATE IN YEAR ONE AS WE GET TO THE END OF YEAR ONE, DO ANOTHER RETREAT, SIT DOWN AND LOOK AT WHAT WE'VE ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISHED, SEE WHAT WE HAVE TO PUSH OUT. UM, AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST MY OPINION OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO YEAR ONE, LIKE THE CHAIR SAID, THIS IS DEFINITELY OPEN FOR DISCUSSION. WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT IN JANUARY IS HAVING INPUT FROM THE COMMISSION ON WHERE WE MIGHT INTEGRATE OPEN ACTION PLAN ITEMS. UM, THINKING BACK TO CHIEF'S COMMENTS, I THINK'S IMPORTANT THAT ANY, ANY ACTION ITEMS, WHETHER IT'S FROM THE STRATEGIC ROADMAP OR REACTION PLAN BEING ONE COMPREHENSIVE DOCUMENT THAT WE TRACK MOVING FORWARD. UM, SO ANYHOW, THESE ARE THE YEAR ONE PRIORITIES THAT I IDENTIFI THE WORD DOCUMENT WITH THE, UH, TABLE. UM, AGAIN, THESE MIGHT NOT MATCH PRIORITIES THAT THE COMMISSION HAS THAT I'M HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT AND WE STRATEGIZE OR REPRIORITIZE. UM, THAT BEING SAID, WE ARE, WE'VE ALREADY OBVIOUSLY STARTED, UM, WE'RE ALREADY KNEE DEEP AND, UM, PRIORITY ONE BY PUTTING TOGETHER, WORKING ON THE [00:40:01] CUSTOMIZED FRAMEWORK, UM, ETC. SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT YOU GO THROUGH THE LIST WE ARE ALREADY DOING OR IN THE PLANNING STAGES OF DOING. UM, BUT REALLY OUR PRIORITIES ARE THE FRAMEWORK. UM, STRENGTHENING, INTERDEPARTMENTAL COORDINATION, THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND ACCESSIBILITY IS IMPORTANT. UM, BUT I, I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT WITH EMPLOYEE AND PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, BECAUSE I SHARE THE SHARE AND VICE SHARE THAT I THINK WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO INTERNALLY WITH OUR EMPLOYEES. AND SO THAT'S WHERE THE MOST OF MY PRIORITIES LIE. NOT TO SAY THAT I, I'M NOT DOING ANYTHING PUBLIC FACING BECAUSE I THINK WE ALL AGREE THAT OET IS DOING A LOT OF PUBLIC FACING STUFF. UM, I THINK WE'RE ALSO FOCUSED ON DOING ELEMENTS OF THE TRAINING AND EDUCATION . UM, I THINK WE'RE STARTING TO GET MORE THAN THERE AND THEY WANT CONTINUE THAT. SO ANYHOW, I KNOW THIS IS A LOT OF INFORMATION, SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT OBVIOUSLY TODAY. BRING, GET BACK NEXT MONTH. I MEAN, IT'S GONNA BE A CONTINUED CONVERSATION, UM, BUT I HAVE YOUR ANSWER QUESTIONS. SURE. UM, I THINK IT'S FINE. IT'S SO COMPREHENSIVE AND THERE ARE AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, I'M THINKING OF WHEN I USED TO, IF THIS WERE MY, THESE WERE MY GOALS. THERE'S ABOUT NINE THINGS UNDER EACH BULLET BECAUSE IT'S VERY, UM, IT'S DEEP, UH, AND THEY SOUND LIKE PLATITUDES, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT GOES INTO, AND THEN THINGS COME UP, AS WE ALL KNOW, TO CONSTANTLY CHANGE COURSE, YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO BE FLUID AND THEN, UH, DON'T PIN YOURSELF DOWN INTO PARTICULAR THINGS. I'M THINKING OF THE ORDINANCE, THE ORDINANCE ALONE. I THINK THAT EVERYTHING IS, AS WE KNOW, UM, ALREADY EXISTS AND WE KNOW THAT, UM, JORGE'S WORKING ON, UM, YOU KNOW, THE ARS POLICIES, THINGS ARE GOING TO FALL OUT OF THAT ORDINANCE IF AND WHEN IT IS, UM, CODIFIED. AND THE ONLY TWO THINGS THAT I KNOW THAT COME TO MIND THAT ARE GOING TO IMPACT YOU AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS, LIKE IN THE FIFTH BULLET IS, UM, COLLATERAL EMPLOYMENT. UM, PERHAPS THE, THERE'S GONNA BE AN INCREASE IN DISCLOSURE OF CONFLICTS OF INTEREST, ET CETERA. SO YOU HAVE TO BE PREPARED TO HANDLE WHAT COMES OUT OF THAT NEW, THE NEW REG. UM, SO I DON'T SEE IT. I, I'M NOT SURE WHERE I WOULD PUT IT, BUT IT'S GONNA COME IN THE FIRST YEAR PROBABLY MAYBE IN SECOND YEAR, I'M NOT SURE. UM, BUT I WOULDN'T PIN YOURSELF DOWN TOO MUCH ON SOME OF THESE IN TERMS OF TIMELINE. UH, BUT I THINK IT'S GOOD THAT WE HAVE A, THE ROADMAP, THE TOOL THAT TELLS US WHERE WE'RE GOING AND THAT NOTHING'S BEEN OVERLOOKED. IF ANYTHING, YOU'RE GONNA ADD TO IT OR RESTATE HOW THESE, UH, BUT I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S COMPREHENSIVE ENOUGH. I HAVE A THANK YOU. I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS SO I MAKE SURE, UM, FIRST, UH, 1.3 0.6, UM, I KNOW WE'RE CURRENTLY GOING THROUGH A REVIEW AND REVISION OF THE CODE OF CONDUCT, AND I KNOW THAT'S KIND OF FORM FIVE. I WANT TO UNDERSTAND IS THIS A, AND I KNOW IT'S A PART OF OUR CHARGE AND WHAT THAT, THE CODE OF CONDUCT. SO THIS A JUST CONTINUE LOOK AT THE CODE OF CONDUCT. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. UM, 2.1, 0.1, UM, AND I KNOW THIS IS A TBD AND WE JUST HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT IT. UM, IT IS JUST MATTER OPINION THAT POLITICIANS SOMETIMES HAVE A, THERE'S SO MUCH GOING ON THAT THE INTENTION SPAN CAN BE SHORT AND WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET ITEMS ON THE COUNCILS, UH, UH, IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL. AND WITH THAT, I DO THINK THAT IT COULD BE BENEFICIAL TO REALLY PLEDGE TO BE AT THE CITY COUNCIL CENTER MEETING TO, TO PUSH A REPORT, BUT ALSO SO THEY GET USED TO OUR FACES. THEY GET USED TO HEARING OUR VOICE. THEY GET USED TO US KIND OF BEING IN FRONT OF 'EM AT LEAST, AND OFTEN BE SOMETHING THAT'S IN THE BACKGROUND. IT DOESN'T MATTER UNTIL IT REALLY MATTERS. AND I DON'T WANT THAT TO BE A CASE THAT SOMETHING, AND GOD FORBID, IMPLODES. AND NOW WE'RE VERY IMPORTANT TO THEM. I WANT US TO BE IN FRONT OF THEIR FACES THAT AT LEAST ONCE A YEAR THEY HEAR US. AND SO WE'RE REALLY ABLE TO MAKE THAT PUSH, UM, AND WE CAN DISCUSS FURTHER ABOUT HOW, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS HOW TO DO THAT, UM, [00:45:01] STARTING THAT PROCESS NOW WHEN WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE IN FRONT OF 'EM, I WOULD VIEW AS IMPORTANT AND NOT MAYBE THINKING ABOUT IT LATER DOWN THE LINE. PERHAPS WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING NEXT YEAR THAT GOES IN FRONT. PERHAPS WE DON'T, BUT PERHAPS WE DON'T. AND NOW, YOU KNOW, WE'RE FURTHER REMOVED FROM TRYING TO ESTABLISH THAT REGULAR IS. UM, AND THEN MY LAST ONE WOULD BE 2.3 0.4, WHICH IS THE WHOLE PUBLIC MEETINGS. AND WE, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT AT THIS ABOUT THIS AGENDA SETTING CONFERENCE. I KNOW THIS IS YEAR TWO AND I'M FINE WITH IT BEING YEAR TWO. I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO, TO MOVE IT. AND PART OF THE REASON WHY, JUST TO INFORM THE REST OF THE COMMISSION, UM, I, I THINK THAT THERE WILL BE, I, I DON'T THINK THERE WILL BE NEW ADDITIONS TO THE COMMISSION. AND I THINK THAT IT WILL BE IMPORTANT TO GET THOSE NEW COMMISSIONERS IN FRONT OF THE PUBLIC AND TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW WHO WE ARE AND THAT HOW WE CAN ADDRESS POSSIBLE CONCERNS. UM, AND I DON'T KNOW NECESSARILY HOW IT'S IDENTIFIED ON HERE, I KNOW IT'S A YEAR TWO, BUT I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE WHAT I SAID. SURE, YEAH. YEAH. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT AS A YEAR TWO AND BEYOND, MAYBE EVEN LATE THIS YEAR OF STARTING TO ATTEMPT TO GET REGULAR CONTACT WITH, YOU KNOW, I WOULD ALMOST LIKE TO SEE IT AS IN ALL YEARS, RIGHT? WHERE WE AT LEAST HAVE ONE VOTE MEETING OR REALLY TRYING TO, UH, ENGAGE THE PUBLIC. MAYBE WE HAVE ONCE A YEAR, I KNOW THIS IS A FURTHER DISCUSSION, BUT ONCE A YEAR WE HAVE A LATER MEETING SO THAT PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, MORE PEOPLE CAN ATTEND. UM, BUT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE THAT IN ALL YEARS THING THAT WE'RE, WE ARE REALLY NOT PRIORITIZING, BUT REALLY TRYING TO GET THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE DO AND THAT, YOU KNOW, WE MATTER TO, UM, UH, PROMOTING A, A GOOD, WELL FUNCTIONING FOR THE GO. UM, AND I THINK THAT ETHICS IS SO IMPORTANT, UH, TO A WELL RUNNING TO THE GOVERNMENT. UM, SO, AND I PERSONALLY REALLY ENJOY, HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS BECAUSE WE HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC, WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY CONCERN. WE'RE ABLE TO NOT ALWAYS BE REACTIVE, BUT ABLE TO UNDERSTAND, OH, OKAY. AT LEAST WE HAVE A GENERAL UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S GOING ON THAT WE MAY NOT BE AWARE OF OR PERHAPS NOT IN THE CITY MIGHT BE LARGELY AWARE OF. SO, UM, THOSE ARE JUST A COUPLE OF MY CONCERNS AND THOSE ARE LARGER TOPICS. UM, BUT I, I APPRECIATE THIS ADDRESSING COMMISSIONER WISE. YEAH. WELL, FIRST I JUST HAVE A COUPLE TECHNICAL QUESTIONS. UM, I DON'T IN THE PENDING IN PROGRESS. IN PROGRESS. YEAH. AND IS THAT INCLUDED OR COMPLETE? COMPLETE. OKAY. FIRST PAGE HAS THE OH, I SEE, I SEE, I SEE. YEAH. ALL, UM, OKAY. SO ONLY, AND THEN I GUESS ORIGINAL ACTION PLAN ITEMS. SO THERE'S ONLY ONE ITEM ON HERE THAT THE ORIGINAL ACTION PLAN, WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT. OH, I SEE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I HAD A QUESTION ON THAT 1.2. DID YOU, WE HAD A MEETING WHERE WE IDENTIFIED THOSE ITEMS THAT WE THOUGHT WERE STILL OPEN ON THE ACTION PLAN, RIGHT? YEAH. SO, SO WE'RE JUST, I STILL NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THEY FIT. LIKE IF, IF YOU SEE THIS, THE ACTION PLAN IS ATTACHED TO IT AND ON IN THE PROGRAM, I DIDN'T PRINT ALL OF THAT OUT. SO WE'RE STILL FIGURING OUT WHERE ALL OF THAT INTEGRATES INTO THESE PRIORITIES. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS PULL SOMETHING OFF THE ACTION PLAN AND INTEGRATE IT INTO THIS. RIGHT. AND WE HAD TALKED A LITTLE BIT DURING OUR LAST MEETING THAT THE COMMISSION MAY WANT TO HELP WITH THAT. I CAN'T, I'M GONNA LEAD YOUR SUPPORT ON THAT PART. I, I CAN'T GUESS WHERE, BECAUSE I THINK SOMETIMES YOU DON'T EVEN AGREE ON WHAT MEANS, RIGHT? YEAH. YEAH. ABSOLUTE. YEAH. OKAY. I WAS ALSO GONNA SAY THAT I DO LIKE THE FACT THAT YOU ALSO PROVIDED IT WITH A MEMO. I THINK THAT THAT IS HELPFUL TO ME OR DON'T DO EXCEL. WELL, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT INTERNALLY. I, NO, I THINK IF I HAD MY WAY, I JUST WOULD'VE GIVEN YOU THE, WELL, IT WAS MY WAY EXCEL, YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO SEE THIS. [00:50:02] I MEAN, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THESE TERMS WAY OUT, AND SO I WAS LOOKING TO GET, I FIGURED A PULL OUT HERE. IT DOES, IT DOES. THE OTHER THING I JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON WHAT, UM, UH, VICE CHAIR WAS, WAS SAYING ABOUT GETTING OUT IN THE PUBLIC, AND IT JUST OCCURRED TO ME, SO BLUR IT OUT, AND MAYBE WE TALKED ABOUT DOING THIS BEFORE, BUT ONE EASY WAY TO DO THAT BESIDES, INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, HAVING TO DO A WHOLE COMMISSION MEETING PUBLICLY OR WHATEVER, WOULD BE JUST FOR INDIVIDUAL, UM, COMMISSIONERS WHO ARE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER DISTRICTS ARE IN LIKE JEFF MEETING THE COUNCIL MEMBER OF THE DISTRICT THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU'D BE INVITED TO GO THEIR TOWN HALL AND AND SPEAK WAS EVER THERE ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING. AND JUST BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE A WAY TO, AND THOSE I THINK ARE PRETTY, YOU KNOW, INFORMAL AND DEPENDING WHAT ELSE IS ON MAY HOLD QUITE A FEW, QUITE A FEW PEOPLE THERE. SO, UM, YEAH, I THINK THERE'S ELEMENTS OF THIS, UM, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE CHIEF WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT, LIKE, I THINK THAT ITEM CAN BE PAIRED WITH, THERE'S A COUPLE RECOMMENDATIONS IN HERE THAT WE CAN, WE CAN MAKE SENSE. LIKE WE DON'T HAVE TO GO OUT AND JUST TALK ABOUT THE STRATEGIC PLAN. WE YEAH, IT'S A GREAT IDEA. IT'S A GREAT STARTING POINT, BUT WHAT ELSE CAN WE DO WITH IT TO MAKE IT EFFECTIVE? RIGHT? I MEAN, I THINK PEOPLE WOULD PROBABLY POP UP LIKE THEY DO, RIGHT? YEAH, SOMETIMES AND JUST SAY, WELL, I KNOW WHAT ABOUT THIS IS THIS, THEY'LL START TREATING US LIKE WE, UM, BUT ANYWAY, I, I THINK IT COULD BE AN EASY WAY AND IT WOULDN'T REQUIRE THE OET STAFF TO GO THROUGH EVERYTHING TO GO THROUGH TO PUT ON AND REQUIRE EVERYBODY TO BE THERE. YEAH. I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ARE WORKING ON IS PUTTING TOGETHER DIFFERENT COMMUNITY EVENTS THAT WE MAY, WE MAY WANT TO CONSIDER SHOWING UP. AND THOSE WOULD INCLUDE BIH AND NIS. MM-HMM . YEAH, OF COURSE. MORE, SOME DISTRICTS ARE MORE ACTIVE THAN OTHERS, LIKE, YOU KNOW, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF ORGANIC SPACES THAT WE COULD SHOW UP. THAT DOESN'T BE THE PLAN. BIG THING, BECAUSE THERE'S WHO KNOW THAT STUFF LIKE THIS IN GENERAL ETHICS BEHIND IT, AND THEY'RE LIKE, WHAT? BUT THEY DO SHOW UP TO, YOU KNOW, MONT SHORT BUSINESS ASSOCIATION MEETING. THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING. SOME DISTRICTS ARE MUCH MORE ACTIVE AND THEN I LOOKED AT , BUT THE THIRD DISTRICT IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF A VERY ACTIVE DISTRICT. BUT YEAH, I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO BE TIED TO LIKE, I THINK WE ALWAYS SAY THIS IS A LIVING DOCUMENT, THIS IS RECOMMENDATIONS. I MEAN, WE'RE NOT HANDCUFFED TO THESE RECOMMENDATIONS. FLEXIBLE, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE, WE I REALLY LOVE WHAT YOU HAVE, UH, PULLED TOGETHER. UM, AND I WAS ORIGINALLY VERY MUCH, UH, GOING WITH THE WORD DOCUMENTS THAT I'VE GOTTEN MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE WITH EXCEL POWERS EXCEL. UH, ONE QUESTION WITH REGARD TO ORGANIZATIONAL ALIGNMENT, 4.11 TO ME, AND MAYBE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THERE'S AN OVERLAP IN TERMS OF THE ISSUES THAT THE OET ADDRESSES TALKS ABOUT, TEACHES WITHIN THE, UH, CITY, UH, AND KIND OF WHAT HR DOES IN TERMS OF APPROPRIATE EMPLOYEE BEHAVIOR. MY STANDPOINT MAY RUN DOWN EVERYBODY. UH, SO DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO ME INCLUDE IN THAT COORDINATED EFFORT, UH, IN ADDITION TO THE AUDITOR BRINGING HR REPRESENTATIVE FROM HR? YEAH. WHICH ONES ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? 4, 5, 1 1. YES. AND I THINK ON MY LIST, I THINK I HAVE [00:55:01] IDENTIFIED HR. OH, ACTUALLY I DIDN'T JUST RIGHT IN MY HEAD THAT THEY WEREN'T ON THERE. UM, BECAUSE I DO WORK WITH THEM QUITE A BIT. YEAH. BECAUSE I SEE JUST I ANTICIPATE, UH, KIND OF HE CULTURE WITHIN THE CITY IS MOSTLY SHAPED OET COMMISSION. I REALLY WANNA THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER. UM, ON COMMISSIONER WEISS. AYE. MR. AYE. COMMISSIONER D AYE. COMMISSIONER NORWAY. AYE. VICE CHAIR COLEMAN. AYE. CHAIR POLICIES? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX, RECOMMENDATION [6. 25-54649 Recommendation to receive and file COI amendments (Harbor & PD) from City Clerk.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] TO RECEIVE AND FILE. COI AMENDMENTS PERMS HARBOR FROM CITY COOK. DO I HAVE A MOTION? SO MOVE. SECOND. SECOND. SO, UM, THIS IS ANOTHER, UM, COI AMENDMENT, UH, WITH, UH, HARBOR. UH, IT IS ALSO, UH, INCLUDING, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT. IT, IT'S THE LAST MINUTE THEY WANTED TO SQUEEZE IN. UM, UH, I'VE INCLUDED ON THE ATTACHMENT, THE BREAKDOWN PER, UH, THE COMMISSION'S PRIOR REQUEST OF, UH, SPECIFIC DETAILS. UH, THEY INCLUDED THE, THE SALARY RESOLUTION AS WELL AS MORE SPECIFICS ON A COURT COMPLIANCE OFFICER. I HAVE A, A QUESTION, UH, FROM THE COURT. DO YOU KNOW IF THE, IS THE CHIEF, ARE THERE, IS THERE A CHIEF EXECUTIVE AND A CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER? IS THAT WHAT I THINK? ONE SAYS UNCHANGE ONE SAYS REMAIN, THERE'S A CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER AND CHIEF OPERATOR OFFICER. OFFICER. SO YEAH, IT'S LISTENING. ALL THREE, CHIEF EXECUTIVE, CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER, AND CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER, THEY ALL CREATE THIS AGAIN. SO OUR OFFICE ISN'T AWARE OF EACH AND EVERY CLASSIFICATION. THESE ARE JUST BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION. WE BRING THEM TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S ATTENTION, THEY SIGN OFF AND THEN WE BRING THEM TO YOUR ATTENTION FOR REVIEW. IF YOU WANT TO, YOU CAN MAKE A, A REQUEST TO THE HARBOR FOR INFORMATION. BUT, UH, THIS IS SIMPLY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT WE WERE REQUESTING TO AMEN. AND I, I DO WANT SAY, I KNOW THAT PHILLIP HAD A BIT OF A CHALLENGE GETTING THIS TO US IN TIME, THIS MEETING MM-HMM . UM, UH, IT'S OBVIOUSLY PREFERABLE IF WE HAVE IT IN ADVANCE OF THE MEETING, BUT, UM, THERE'S SOME URGENCY TO SOME OF THESE. CAN I ASK YOU QUESTION? SURE. UM, SO I BELIEVE THAT [01:00:02] UNLESS OTHERWISE NOTED, THEY'RE ALL ADDITIONS AND THE OTHERWISE NOTED ARE THE PARENTHETICALS AFTERWARDS, WHICH SAY RENAMED OR REMOVED. BUT IF IT'S SAY, REMOVED FOR EXAMPLE, THE LAST ONE, THEN IT'S ACTUALLY NOT AN ADDITION, BUT IT IS CURRENTLY ON LISTED AS A POSITION THAT'S BEING REMOVED. POSITION? YEAH. IT'S PART OF, IT'S STILL CONSIDERED PART OF THE AMENDMENT THAT WE HAVE TO REMOVE FROM THE CO OI THANKS. I WAS JUST MAKING SURE I UNDERSTOOD. THEY'RE NOT ALL ADDITIONS. ALL IONS LEAST DEPARTMENT SAYS CHIEF OF ADMINISTRATIVE OPERATIONS DELETED AND IT'S NOT THERE IF THE POSITION NO LONGER EXISTS OR IF THE PERSON WILL NO LONGER BE REQUIRED TO FILE THE FOUR SEVEN NUMBER. AGAIN, OUR, OUR SCOPE IS SIMPLY THROUGH THE LENS OF A COI. SO IT'S EITHER ON OR, OR OFFICE. COI IT IS NOT ANOTHER QUESTION. SO EVERYONE HAS A COURT THAT HAS TO FILE ONE. THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE A BUNCH THAT ARE UNCHANGED BECAUSE THAT JUST MEANS MM-HMM . OKAY. I AM NOT GONNA VOTE, I'M GONNA VOTE FOR THIS, BUT I'LL JUST SAY THAT I'M WONDERING IF THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER IS BOARD IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER TO THE BOARD OF HARVARD COMMISSIONERS BECAUSE YOU NOTICE VOTE DEPUTY EXECUTIVE OFFICER TO THE BOARD OF HARBOR COMMISSION. I'M NOT SURE, BUT UM, I AM ALSO NOT GONNA WITH CALL MY VOTE ON THIS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF THERE, IF THE, IF THE FOLLOWING TWO POSITIONS WERE ACTUALLY DELETED, OR SIMPLY THE REQUIREMENT THAT THESE FOLKS FILE FORM 700, SPECIFICALLY UNDER POLICE CHIEF OF ADMINISTRATIVE OPERATIONS AND THE JAIL ADMINISTRATOR, WHETHER THOSE POSITIONS ARE GONE, ARE GONE OR SOMEONE MADE THE DETERMINATION THAT THERE, THERE IS NO NEED FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE IN THOSE POSITIONS TO FILE PROCESS CHAIR. I'LL, I'LL JUST NOTE THAT LIKE THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THESE POSITIONS I WOULD REALLY LOOK AND IDEAL. MY IDEAL WORLD WOULD BE, WOULD BE SOMEBODY IN THE OET. THE OET WAS APPROPRIATELY STAFFED. THEY COULD DO AN EVALUATION OF ALL THE JOB RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE POSITIONS AND MAKE THE EVALUATION OF WHETHER OR NOT THEY SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT, UH, BE INCLUDED ON THE LIST. UH, SO, AND THEN WE WOULD THEN BE RELYING AS ADMISSION ON O'S RECOMMENDATION, UH, AND IT HELPS SUPPORT OET IF THEY SAW SOMETHING THAT MAYBE WAS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT, UH, A DEPARTMENT HAD, UH, ACTUALLY PROPOSED OR WANTED. UH, BUT IT IS KIND OF, WITHOUT HAVING ALL THE, UH, BASICALLY THE JOB PROFILES OR POSITIONING DESCRIPTIONS, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO KNOW EXACTLY WHO SHOULD AND WHO SHOULD NOT BE ON THE LIST JUST BY JOB TITLE. JUST ON THAT POINT I'LL SAY I SEE THAT THESE ARE EACH PROCEEDED BY A MEMO FROM, [01:05:01] UM, AND THE ATTORNEY, WHICH SHE SUGGESTS TO ME THAT THAT OFFICE REVIEW, IS THAT THE CASE? SO THE CITY ATTORNEY, UH, BASED ON THIS, YEAH, BASED ON THIS MEMO, IT'S A MEMO THAT GARY ANDERSON, OUR ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY FROM PHILIP ACTUALLY, UM, MARCH 5TH AND YOU KNOW, PROVIDING THE EXHIBIT WITH THE CHANGES AND THEN GARY ANDERSON SIGNED IT TO APPROVE. DID ANYBODY IN CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE LOOK AT THE ACTUAL POSITION TO SAY I AGREE. IN OTHER WORDS, LOOK WHAT THAT POSITION DOES. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EXACT PROCESS IS THAT GARY ANDERSON USES, BUT HE IS OUR HR ATTORNEY AND OUR CONFLICT OF INTEREST ATTORNEY. SO PRESUMABLY IT WOULD BE AFTER YOU CHECK THAT OUT. YEAH, I CHECK THAT UP. I CAN ASK MARY. AND, AND I THINK THESE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE COME UP, I'VE ASKED ABOUT THE COURT NOW, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, I THINK IT WOULD BE WORTH HAVING SOMEBODY GO LOOK AT THOSE AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE, THAT THEY MET WHAT THEY, WHAT SAID, UM, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T DEFINE THE, UM, THE JOB CORRECTLY. THEN EVENTUALLY SOMEONE WILL KNOW THAT YOU GET NEED TO GET . IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT EXECUTIVE OFFICERS AT THE HARVARD COMMISSION, THAT'S A DIFFERENT POSITION AND I'M A CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER, SO, UM, IT MIGHT MAKE A DIFFERENCE. SO I SUGGEST REPORT THAT AND BUT IN THE MEMO, YEAH. YEAH. I CAN SEND AN EMAIL, UM, OVER TO, UM, THE OFFICE OF ETHICS AND THEY CAN SEND OUT A EMAIL TO THE COMMISSIONERS AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE TERMS NEXT TO THE STATUS OF DELETED MEAN THAT THE POSITION IS DELETED, LIKE FROM THE CITY OR IF THEY'RE DELETED FROM THE COII THINK COMMISSIONER WISE'S QUESTIONS WENT FURTHER THAN THAT. YEAH, MY, MY QUESTION WAS ACTUALLY WHETHER LOOKED LIKE, AND I'M NOT, I HAVE SOME FAMILIARITY, BUT NOT CURRENT FAMILIARITY WITH POSITION ON THE FLOOR THAT WHETHER THERE, THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER, THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE AND, AND THE DEPUTY EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR TO THE HARBOR COMMISSION. THE EXECUTIVE OFFICER. YEAH. AND THERE, THERE WAS WHEN I WAS THERE, EXECUTIVE OFFICERS OF THE HARBOR COMMISSION AND I DON'T, I'M NOT GONNA PUT THAT. SO I CAN CHECK JUST ABOUT ABOUT THAT. AND THEN ALSO THE CITY CHARTER PROVIDES WITH THE TITLE OF THE PERSON WHO I'M GONNA FOLLOW, THE DIRECTOR OF THE HARBOR WILL BE CALLED. SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE STATUS OF THAT IS, BUT JUST SEEMS I THAT SHOULD BE ALIGNED WITH THIS. THE RIGHT PEOPLE NOTICE TO FILE THE 700 FORM. YES. AND UNDER THE HARVARD DEPARTMENT, IT LOOKS LIKE FOR THE CEO IT SAYS IT'S RENAMED. SO THAT COULD BE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. UM, THEY MAY HAVE JUST DONE A NAME CHANGE OF DEPOSITION SO I CAN CONFIRM WHAT, UM, ABOUT THE CEO AND THE DEPUTY CEOS. YEAH. DEPUTY, THERE'S THREE. THERE'S CHIEF EXECUTIVE, CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER. MM-HMM . AND THEN FURTHER DOWN THE DEPUTY EXECUTIVE OFFICER ? YES. VOTE COMMENT. OH, HEARING 14. ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER WISE. AYE. COMMISSIONER. AYE. MR. AYE, COMMISSIONER NOR AYE. VICE CHAIR COLEMAN. AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIE. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, [7. 25-54622 Recommendation to receive and file, and if necessary, approve the final memorandum and draft Good Government Act ordinance recommendation from the Ad Hoc on Updated Policies to be sent to the City Council for consideration.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE IF NECESSARY, PROVE THE FINAL MEMORANDUM AND DRAFT GOOD GOVERNMENT ACT ORDINANCE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE AD HOC ON UPDATED POLICIES TO BE SENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION. DO HAVE A MOTIONS. SECOND MOTION. [01:10:01] I JUST WANNA KICK THIS OFF BY THANK COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REREAD THE ENTIRE MEMORANDUM AND DRAFT START TO FINISH FOR THIS MEETING. THIS IS AN AMAZING PIECE OF WORK. YOU GUYS HAVE REALLY SPENT THE TIME AND, UH, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE IT AND IT'S ALSO A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF SUPPORT FROM S OFFICE AND LY YEAH, I'M SORRY EVERYONE, EVERYONE BEEN WORKING THIS, UH, DESERVES A LOT OF CREDIT. IT'S, IT'S A, A HUGE PIECE OF WORK AND IT ADDRESSES A LOT OF THE ISSUES THAT CAME UP IN THE AUDIT AND UM, AND, AND ALSO IT JUST MAKES SENSE. IT IS GOOD GOVERNANCE TO HAVE IT ALL IN ONE PLACE, BUT MOVING ALL THOSE DISTRICT PIECES INTO ONE PLACE ALONE WITHOUT EVEN LOOKING AT THE SUBSTANCE IS A HUGE TASK. AND I KNOW YOU GUYS A LOT OF THE UBSTANCE. THANK YOU. LET'S HOPE THAT THE, UH, COMMISSION WILL GET SOME GOOD KUDOS FROM, UH, APPRECIATION . FIRST, LET'S GET ON THE AGENDA. SO, UH, THE MAYOR SAID HE WOULD PUT IT ON THE AGENDA, SO I'M QUITE OPTIMISTIC, BUT, SO, UH, REAL QUICK, WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IS, UM, WE REVISE BOTH THE MEMO AND THE ORDINANCE OF ONE. UH, WE ADDRESSED THE, UH, NUMERICAL CHANGES, UH, THE GRAPHICAL CHANGES THAT, UH, THE CHAIR HAD PROVIDED AT THE LAST MEETING AND ALSO ADDRESSED COMMISSIONER WISE'S QUESTION. IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, AND SAID NO, THAT IT WAS APPROPRIATELY WRITTEN AT, WAS APPROPRIATELY WRITTEN, THERE WAS A REASON WHY WE'RE LIMITING, UH, THAT PARTICULAR SECTION TO EXCLUDE PENALTIES ONLY BECAUSE OF, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, UH, COMMISSIONER DAVID OR COUNSEL, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG WITH THE ASPIRATIONAL NATURE OF OUR FURTHER CONDUCT, OUR VALUES, UH, AND HOW MUCH CAN ACTUALLY BE DISCIPLINED THERE. YOU, UM, THE ONE CHANGE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION THAT WE DO PROPOSE BE CONSIDERED, UH, AS THIS IS VOTED OUT, IS RIGHT NOW IF YOU REFER TO SECTION 4.01, 100 G TWO, UM, AND THESE ARE REGARDING IN THIS SECTION IS REGARDING ALLEGATIONS AGAINST CITY ATTORNEY CURRENTLY READ THAT THE CITY SHALL REFER THE MATTER TO A THIRD PARTY. AND WHAT IS REALLY APPROPRIATE THERE IS THAT THAT WOULD AUTOMATICALLY GO TO THE ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY. THE ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY WOULD ACTUALLY SELECT THE THIRD PARTY AND REFER THE MATTER TO THIRD PARTY GIVEN THE FACT THAT ACTUALLY IS REFERRING TO, UM, THE MATTERS ALLEGED AGAINST THE CITY ATTORNEY. SECOND, UM, I, THE MEMO HAS BEEN RECRAFTED, UH, AS COMING IT IS FROM THE AD HOC TO THE COMMISSION, BUT IT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING DURING WORK AND TALK WITH, UH, THE OET TEAM AND HEATHER IS, UM, THAT THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE MECHANISM FOR IT TO BE APPROVED OUT BY THE COMMISSION AND THEN SENT ON DIRECTLY TO THE CITY COUNCIL. IN OTHER WORDS, THIS MEMO WOULD BE PROVIDED TO THE CITY COUNCIL WITH THE COVER MEMO. UM, AND ALONG THAT LINE I HAVE ONE QUESTION AND THAT IS, UH, AT THE, UH, FOR THE SUBJECT LINE, IT SAYS THE ETHICS AND GOOD GOVERNANCE ACT, MEMORANDUM AND DRAFT RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE AD HOC COMMITTEE ON UPDATED POLICIES. IS IT APPROPRIATE THEN FOR THIS TO STILL SAY DRAFT RECOMMENDATIONS OR IS IT APPROPRIATE FOR IT JUST TO SAY RECOMMENDATIONS? UM, I CAN GO EITHER WAY. ONE, WHAT'S GONNA BE BETTER FOR IT ACTUALLY NOW BEING TRANSMITTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL, I SO CAN DO THAT. COULD WE ALSO PUT THE LOBBYING MEMO RIGHT BEHIND YOUR MEMO BEFORE WE GET TO THE TEXT? JUST [01:15:01] 'CAUSE BY THE TIME I GOT TO THE LOBBYING MEMO, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE ATTACHED TO THIS NO, SHE'S, OH, SORRY. PO MAKING AN ATTACHMENT A AND THEN B CODE B. YEAH. HOW WOULD THAT, JUST SO THAT THEY, BECAUSE BECAUSE REALLY THE LOBBYING RECOMMENDATION NOW IS A PIECE OF THIS RECOMMENDATION AND THE CITY COUNCIL IS ACCUSTOMED TO APPROVING PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE MUNICIPAL CODE BASED ON MEMORANDUM NOT USED TO SEEING DRAFT ORDINANCE LANGUAGE IN THE FIRST INSTANCE. OKAY. THERE'S NO OBJECTION. NO OBJECTION. YES. AND THEN, UH, ONE THIRD, UH, RECOMMENDATION I BELIEVE, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER DAVID BE IS, UH, MADE AND I WILL AGREE WITH AS PART AS THE AD HOC, UH, WE'RE NOT CERTAIN ABOUT CONTINUATION. THE AD HOC OF THE AD HOC SHOULD BE RETIRED, ESPECIALLY WHEN, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS WILL BE COMMISSIONED, UH, WITH THIS, THIS TERM EXPIRING. AND THAT IS THAT WHAT WE AS AN AD HOC MIGHT CAN DO IS THAT THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING PROVIDE THE COMMISSION A, UH, REPORT OR MEMO ON THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE ORDINANCE. SO LET'S ASSUME CITY COUNCIL APPROVES THAT, IT GOES TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND THEN GOES BACK TO CITY COUNCIL AND THE ORDINANCE GETS ADOPTED. ALL THE FOLLOW ON STEPS THAT CAN BE MADE TO, TO MAKE, TO IMPLEMENT THIS. NOT IN TERMS OF HOW DOES IT GET INTO THE ORDINANCE BOOKS, BUT MORE ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT ADMINISTRATIVE REGULATIONS WOULD NEED TO BE RETIRED, WHAT ADMINISTRATIVE REGULATIONS WOULD NEED TO CHANGE, OR WHAT PROCESSES SHOULD BE UPDATED TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN IDENTIFY THEM. IT WON'T BE A PERFECT, I DOUBT IT WOULD BE PERFECT, BUT IT WOULD BE A START WITH THE ASSISTANCE EFFECT. . YES. THAT'S HOW THAT KEEPS MOVING. CREATING IT COVERED, COVERED IN ONE SITTING. I NOTICED A BUNCH OF THINGS THAT PROCESSES THOUGH HAVE TO BE ABLE AND A LOT FALLS ON OT. AND WITH THAT, THAT'S, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON WISE ? UM, AND MY QUESTIONS GO BACK TO THE, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I ASKED ABOUT, UM, LAST WEEK OR LAST MONTH. SO, UM, I WANNA GO TO, UM, IT IT IN THE PACKET, IT'S PAGE 67, AND SO IT'S UM, 4.01, 100 AND IT'S G AND THIS IS THE, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WHEN I COMPLAINT IS, UM, ONE A VIOLATION IS ALLEGED. UM, SO SOME OF THESE ARE GRAPHICAL, I THINK, BUT ARE YOU WITH ME? SO I'M IN GG, OKAY. RIGHT. SO G ONE IT SAYS ALLEGED VIOLATIONS OF THIS ACT BY A PUBLIC SERVANT SHOULD BE REPORTED Q1 APPROVED, CITY APPROVED. I THINK THAT IT SHOULD JUST BE, SHALL BE REPORTED TO A CITY WHO REPORTING MECHANISM OR THE ETHICS OFFICER THAT ERROR, I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED. THE, THE ETHICS OFFICER COULD BE CAPITALIZED TO . UM, THE, UM, WHEN WE MAKE THE REFERENCE TO A CITY OF FOOD REPORTING MECHANISM, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE AUDITORS BROAD LINE ORS? UM, HELPLINE ARE THOSE THINGS MAKE WE DISCUSSED THAT WE'RE REFERRING TO THOSE AS, UH, IT WOULD BE BOTH OF THOSE AND OTHER. OKAY. UM, AND I REMEMBER, UM, I SEE THAT NOW THERE [01:20:01] IS A SENTENCE IN HERE THAT SAYS THE, THE, UM, OFFICEHOLDER BEING, UM, AGAINST VIOLATION IS ALLEGED IS THE ATTORNEY, IT SAYS THE CITY IT NOW THAT CITY ATTORNEY SHALL REFER, I ASSUME IT MEANS THE MATTER TO A THIRD PARTY, BUT THEN YOU ALSO MENTIONED THAT, UM, IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE GOING TO THE ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY. THIS IS WHERE IT WOULD BE THE ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY SHALL REFER THE MATTER TO. OKAY, SO SO THAT WAS GETTING CHANGED. YES. THIS DRAFT. I UNDERSTAND THAT WAS, UM, WHAT YOUR QUESTION. OKAY. OKAY. AND, AND, AND OFFICER WOULD INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, GOD FORBID THAT THAT IT WAS A CITY, CITY PROSECUTOR, RIGHT? YES. DON'T TO MENTION THEM SPECIFICALLY. UM, SO MY, MY QUESTION THOUGH REMAINS IS HOW, HOW DOES THIS AT, WE JUMPED FROM THE ALLEGATION TO IT BEING, UM, IN FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL AND, AND HOW IS THAT GOING TO HAPPEN? SO THAT IS, AND UH, COUNCIL, YOU CAN HELP ME HERE, BUT THAT IS OURAND. IT IS THE CITY COUNCIL. THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WILL BE PRESENTING THESE TO THE CITY COUNCIL. AND THAT'S KIND OF HOW IT'S FRAMED RIGHT NOW, IS THAT IF THE CITY ATTORNEY IS GOING TO DISCUSS THE MATTER WITH THE PUBLIC SERVANT ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHO IS THE SUBJECT OF THE ALLEGATION, UM, IT WOULD BE IN, AFTER THAT OCCURS, THEN THE CITY ATTORNEY CAN THEN REFER TO COUNCIL IF THAT'S THE INTENT OF WHAT THE AD HOC IS GOING TO ACCOMPLISH HERE. I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING BECAUSE IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T SAY WHETHER WHO IT IS THAT'S GONNA TAKE IT TO THE CITY CITY COUNCIL. THERE CAN BE AN ADDITIONAL LINE THAT WE ADD THAT SAYS THAT UPON THE DISCRETION OF THE CITY ATTORNEY, IT CAN BE FORWARDED AS AN ITEM TO REVIEW THE CITY COUNCIL. CLOSE THAT GAP. BUT I NEED TO, AND THEN ONE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS, PROCEDURALLY, I KNOW THAT IF THIS COMMISSION SEND SOMETHING TO THE CITY ATTORNEY, THAT TO THE CITY COUNCIL, THE CITY COUNCIL HAS TO DECIDE TO PUT IT ON THEIR AGENDA. CAN THE CITY ATTORNEY PUT SOMETHING ON THE CITY COUNCIL'S AGENDA OR DO THEY HAVE TO GET THE CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE IT? I MEAN, GET A COUPLE PEOPLE. UM, ULTIMATELY THE CITY COUNCIL DECIDES, UM, BUT FOR CLOSED SESSION, THE CITY ATTORNEY REQUESTS, YOU KNOW, TO BRING AN ITEM TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO DISCUSS. BUT YEAH, I WAS KIND OF THINKING THIS WOULD PROBABLY MAKE SENSE FOR LIKE A CLOSE SESSION PERSONNEL RELATED AND THE ATTORNEY WOULD BRING JUST LIKE WITH SOME OTHER PERSONNEL RELATED ITEMS, BUT THE ATTORNEY CAN BRING IN DIRECTLY TO THE COUNSEL THROUGH A CLOSED SESSION. UM, THEN IF THERE'S ANY REPORTING OUT FROM CLOSED SESSION, MAYBE THAT COULD BE THE, THE ACTION GETS TAKEN UM, YEP. BUT THAT'S IN THE NEXT BULLET OR WHATEVER. UM, YEAH, SO TYPICALLY FOR THIS MATTER, YOU KNOW, WE WOULDN'T IMAGINE IT WOULD BE IN AN OPEN SESSION. UM, BUT IF IT WAS LIKE A PUBLIC APOLOGY, LIKE IN SUBSECTION A, YOU KNOW, THIS COULD BE IRONED OUT HOW THAT PUBLIC APOLOGY WOULD OCCUR. BUT FOR THE DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY COUNCIL, UM, I AGREE WITH TYLER THAT IT WOULD BE IN THE FORM OF PROPOSED SESSION WHERE YES. AND THE CITY ATTORNEY WOULD REQUEST TO PUT AN ITEM ON THE CLOSED SESSION AGENDA. IT WOULD BE THE CITY ATTORNEY REQUESTING IT TO BE HEARD IN FRONT OF THE CITY COUNCIL. AND, AND THE DECISION BY THE COUNCIL AS TO WHAT THE SANCTION IS GOING TO BE, IF ANY, THAT WOULD ALL CLOSED SESSION. YES. OKAY. I AM NOT SURE, UM, I'M NOT, I'M NOT FEELING COMFORTABLE ABOUT THAT ALL BEING . I UNDERSTAND IT, BUT IT, IT, IT IS VERY TRICKY. . UM, AND, AND I, I'M FLASHING BACK TO THE ITEM THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE SENT TO THIS COMMISSION. UM, WHEN THE CITY COUNCIL SAID PEOPLE RUNNING FOR OFFICE WOULD, THAT WERE CURRENTLY IN OFFICE, WERE ACCUSED OF, OF, [01:25:01] OF HAVING USED THE, UM, PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT PROCEDURE, UM, IN IMPROPERLY AND CAME US IN A MEMO. I MEAN, THIS IS ALL ATTACHED TO OUR AGENDA, AND IT WAS VERY, VERY PUBLIC . YEAH. AND, AND SO I, I THINK THAT, UM, I, WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THIS BECAUSE WE'RE REALLY TAKING EVERYTHING OUT OF THE, OF THE, UM, OF THE PUBLIC'S. THE PUBLIC, UH, THE PUBLIC DOESN'T, DOESN'T GET TO KNOW, AND IT'S BIG LACK OF TRANSPARENCY AND CONCERN ABOUT THAT. SO I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T, THESE THINGS WEREN'T REALLY APPARENT BECAUSE IT IS NOT CLEAR, I DON'T THINK ABOUT HOW THIS IS GONNA HAPPEN. UM, IT IS NOT SOMETHING I REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT MUCH BEFORE, AND I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT ARE, THAT PEOPLE ARE ENTITLED TO HAVE CONSIDERED IN, IN CLOSED SESSION. SO, UM, I, I'M JUST VOICING MY CONCERNS. I DON'T HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS AT THIS POINT, BUT I THINK THAT IS A PLACE WHERE THAT, THAT DESERVES, UM, FOR THE THOUGHT. UM, ALTHOUGH I DIDN'T WANNA US GO , UM, I CAN ADD TO THAT WHERE UNDER THE GOVERNMENT CODE, WHERE THERE REASONS TO BRING ITEMS TO CLOSED SESSION, AND THEY ARE TO BE BROUGHT IN CLOSED SESSION UNDER THE CALIFORNIA GOVERNMENT CODE FOR PERSONNEL MATTERS. SO THAT'S WHY THE NATURE OF IT WOULD BE IN CLOSED SESSION, UM, BASED ON STATE LAW. WOULD THERE BE SITUATIONS WHERE A COMPLAINT, AGAIN, BROUGHT A, UM, A COUNCIL MEMBER, LET'S SAY YOU TAKE THE SAME EXAMPLE THAT WE HAD THE PSA. YEAH. UH, AND THAT IS NOT, I WOULDN'T CONSIDER THAT PERSONNEL CONCERN, UH, BUT RATHER SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE DISCUSSED OPENLY. WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? I MEAN, I THINK IT'S GREAT TO CONCERN PERSONNEL MATTERS WILL BE DONE IN A CLOSED SESSION. DEFINITELY FOR EMPLOYEES. YEAH. WHICH GOES UNDER PUBLIC SERVANT. UM, BUT IF THE COMMISSION WANTS TO COMMEND A DIFFERENT PROCESS FOR OFFICE HOLDERS, I THINK THAT IS WHERE THIS PROVISION, YOU KNOW, WOULD ALLOW THAT. BUT FOR EMPLOYEES, THAT'S UNDER THE GOVERNMENT CODE TO BRING IT INTO INFO SESSION FOR PERSONNEL MAPS. RIGHT. I THINK THIS SESSION, OKAY. SO THAT, THAT MAY, I'M WONDERING WHETHER THAT SHOULD HANDLED, SHOULD BE HANDLED. YES. CAN I MAKE A, SO I WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD, IF WE CAN WORK IT THROUGH HERE SO WE CAN MOVE THIS MATTER ALONG. UM, AND I BELIEVE IT MAY BE APPROPRIATE TO THEN ADD A ADD, ADD A THIRD SENTENCE, UH, TO G TWO. UM, AND I'M NOT GONNA GET, SO I'M NOT GONNA GET THIS PERFECT. UH, BUT SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF THE CITY ATTORNEY SHALL THEN PRESENT THE MATTER TO, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL FOR REVIEW. AND THEN THE QUESTION IS, SHOULD WE BE SO PRESCRIPTIVE IN THIS DOCUMENT OF WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S PUBLIC OR CLOSED SESSION? OR SHOULD WE BE, SHOULD WE SAY THAT IT SHOULD BE OPEN SESSION OR OPEN SESSION TO THE, TO THE GREATEST EXTENT CONSISTENT WITH STATE LAW? NO. OR WITH LAW? DO WE WANT WITH A POSITION THAT IT SHOULD BE OPEN TO THE EXTENT THAT'S APPROPRIATE AND APPROPRIATE, DETERMINED BY LAW, WHICH I GUESS IN THIS CASE IS STATE LAW, SOMEBODY WILL HAVE TO MAKE A DETERMINATION WHETHER IT'S A PERSONNEL MATTER TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE FOR TRANSPARENCY. I CAN PUT THAT IN THERE. UM, SO WE CAN ASSUME THAT WHATEVER IT IS THAT'S COMING BEFORE, WHATEVER THE VIOLATION IS, WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S A VIOLATION OF THE ITEMS THAT ARE IN THE STATUTE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. YES. THAT'S WHAT THE SECTION, RIGHT. RIGHT. SO THIS IS NORMALLY THE PROCEDURE FOR VIOLATIONS OF OPPOSED TO FOR OFFICE HOLDERS. IT'S POSSIBLE TOO THAT SOME OFFICE HOLDERS ARE EMPLOYEES. SO IT IS, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT IF WE SAY THAT, [01:30:01] UM, THE CITY ATTORNEY SHALL REFER TO THE MATTER TO THE CITY COUNCIL, TO THE EXTENT APPROPRIATE UNDER STATE LAW, UM, SOMETHING IRONED OUT IN THAT FASHION, THAT IF THEY, UM, ARE AN EMPLOYEE, UH, EVEN PART-TIME, THEY WOULD BE SUBJECT TO CLOSED SESSION. BUT BY HAVING IT IN THERE, THE CITY ATTORNEY CAN MAKE THAT DETERMINATION, UM, TO THE FURTHEST EXTENT OF TRANSPARENCY, PUBLIC UNDER STATE LAW. AND THAT WOULD THEN COVER, BUT I, I DO WANNA, YOU KNOW, REITERATE THAT IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THE ELECTEDS ARE EMPLOYEES, WHICH WOULD SUBJECT, WHAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF THAT? THESE CITY, I MEAN, I, I'M NOT LIKE SUPER 100%, UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THESE ARE FULL-TIME INDIVIDUALS SUCH AS LIKE THE CITY PROSECUTOR OR THE CITY ATTORNEY. UM, WELL, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF TYLER, DO YOU KNOW, OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD. UM, BUT IF NOT, WE CAN CERTAINLY GET BACK TO YOU. I JUST DON'T WANNA GIVE THE WRONG IMPRESSION. SPEAK. OKAY, PERFECT. SO THERE, THERE COULD BE A SCENARIO LIKE WHERE, RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN THE 23 STATE SELECTION CYCLE FOR CITYWIDE, SO DOESN'T MEAN TO MENTIONED AUDITOR OR PROSECUTOR. THERE COULD BE SOMEBODY CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW WITHIN, IN THE, THE OFFICE OF THOSE, THOSE ELECTEDS, UH, AND CONSIDER RUNNING. AND THEY MIGHT ENCOURAGE AN INFRACTION WHERE THE COMMISSION MIGHT WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT. AND SO THAT'S WHERE IT, IT WOULD BE, IT PROBABLY BE MORE THE EXCEPTION TO THE RULE, I THINK, BUT IT COULD HAPPEN. BUT ALSO THINK COMMISSIONER'S POINT WAS THAT SOMETIMES AN ALLEGATION OF A VIOLATION OF THE GOOD GOVERNANCE ACT IS NOT A PERSONNEL MATTER. YEAH. BUT I THINK ANITA'S POINT, IT STILL MIGHT BECAUSE THEY'RE AN EMPLOYEE, THEY WOULD GET THE, THE UMBRELLA, UH, KNOW COVERAGE OF CLOSED SESSION, CLOSED SESSION FOR PERSONNEL MATTERS. YEAH. BUT I, I THINK THAT ANITA, YOU MIGHT WANNA SPEAK TO THIS MORE, BUT I THINK THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE TECHNICALLY A, AN EMPLOYEE, IT WOULDN'T MATTER THAT THE ACTION WAS CONSIDERED AN OFFICEHOLDER THING. THEY'RE STILL, THEY'RE GIVEN THE RIGHT TO CLOSE SESSION FOR PERSONNEL MATTERS, FOR, FOR ANY TYPE OF DISCIPLINE, ANY TYPE OF DISMISSAL, ANY TYPE OF, UM, EVALUATION OF PERFORMANCE, YOU KNOW, AND ANNUAL REVIEW. YOU KNOW, SO ANYTHING RELATED TO THE PERFORMANCE WOULD BE SUBJECT TO CLOSED SESSION. IF IT WAS UNDER THE COUNCIL'S PURVIEW, THIS IS NOW PUTTING IT UNDER THE COUNCIL'S PURVIEW, THEREFORE, IT WOULD NEED TO FOLLOW THE CLOSED SESSION RULES. BUT I THINK THE SENTENCE THAT YOU ALL ARE CRAFTING WOULD COVER THE FACT THAT TO THE HIGHEST EXTENT OF TRANSPARENCY AVAILABLE, ALLOWABLE UNDER STATE LAW, OR CONSISTENT UNDER STATE LAW, THAT WOULD COVER THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE LAW IS EVER CHANGING. IF SOMETHING EVER DOES CHANGE WHERE AN OFFICEHOLDER IS NOT AND AN EMPLOYEE, THEN THE CITY ATTORNEY WOULD USE THEIR LEGAL DISCRETION TO DETERMINE HOW TO BRING IT AS TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE. CLEAR. THE ISSUE THAT CAME BEFORE US PREVIOUSLY WAS THAT THAT WAS GO TO COUNSEL . WHAT WAS THAT? I DON'T, WHAT WAS YOUR RESPONSE? APPARENTLY THE ISSUE THAT CAME BEFORE US WOULD HAVE BEEN IN CLOSED SESSION IF IT HAD COME TO THE COUNCIL FOR DISCIPLINE, EVEN THOUGH, BUT THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN, THAT'S HOW IT COULD PAN OUT. SO HOW COULD WE THEN, UH, CRAFT A SENTENCE THAT WOULD, UH, HAVE THAT GO TO THE FULL COUNCIL, NOT IN CLOSED SESSION, UH, UNLESS THERE'S A REASON TO BE CONSISTENT WITH STATE LAW. UH, AND THEN THAT MAY COVER, SAY SOMEBODY THAT HAPPENS TO BE WORKING IN THE CITY AUDITOR'S OFFICE AND VIOLATES THE POLITICAL ACTIVITY SECTION OF THE ACT, UH, THEN THAT ACTUALLY MIGHT BE GO TO CLOSE SESSION BECAUSE THEY'RE IN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE AN EMPLOYEE ON, THEY'RE DOING . BUT IF IT WAS A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER, THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER'S NOT IS AN EMPLOYEE, BUT THEY'RE NOT CONSIDERED AN EMPLOYEE THAT ARE THEY, THAT'S MY CONCERN. IS THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER THEMSELVES CONSIDERED AN EMPLOYEE, AND THEREFORE ON THAT, I THINK THAT'S THE, THE GAP. UM, BUT THE WAY THE GOVERNMENT CODE READS IS IT'S, IT'S APPLICABLE TO EMPLOYEES. SO IF THEY'RE NOT EMPLOYEES, THEN THAT LINE THAT ALLOWS THE CITY ATTORNEY TO PROVIDE THE DISCRETION TO SEND IT OVER TO THE CITY COUNCIL WITH THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF TRANSPARENCY, THAT WOULD THEN OBLIGATE THE CITY ATTORNEY TO THEN BRING IT IN OPEN SESSION. BUT THE REASON WHY I DON'T THINK THAT, THAT PA [01:35:01] THAT I BROUGHT UP AGAINST GONE TO CLOSED SESSION WAS BECAUSE THE CITY ATTORNEY ADMITTED THE MATTER TO US, AND WE DISCUSSED IT IN OPEN SESSION AND ATTACHED THE INVESTIGATION BY THE OUTSIDE COUNSEL REPORT THAT WE WERE GIVEN. I MEAN, IT WAS IN OUR AGENDA PACKAGE. SO YEAH, THERE WAS NO ATTEMPT TO KEEP THAT, UM, TO KEEP THAT AS A PERSONNEL MATTER. IT'S NOT AN EMPLOYEE THEN, UNLESS THERE'S ANOTHER, UM, YOU KNOW, EXCEPTION UNDER CLOSED SESSIONS, THEN IT WOULD THEN GO TO OPEN SESSION. SO THIS DATE, THIS, YOU THINK THAT WOULD WORK? THIS, UH, THIS SENTENCE THAT WE'D ADD AFTER, AND PLUS AT THE BEGINNING OF G IT SAYS CONSISTENT WITH AS PROVIDED UNDER STATE LAW. SO IF THEY DON'T FALL UNDER THAT PROVISION FOR STATE LAW, IT WOULD BE THE PRESCRIPTION OF THE ORDINANCE, AND THEN WE WOULD FOLLOW THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF TRANSPARENCY MM-HMM . SO IF THEY'RE NOT CONSIDERED AN EMPLOYEE, THE INTENT OF THE COMMISSION BASED ON THIS DISCUSSION IS THAT IT WOULD BE AN OPEN SESSION. ANY, AND THAT'S WHAT I GATHER. YEAH. YEAH. SO DID YOU, DO YOU HAVE A SENTENCE CRAFTED THAT WE CAN INSERT AND ? YES. UM, DO YOU NEED A MINUTE BECAUSE, NO. UM, SO I ADDED UNDER PART G TWO IN THE EVENT THE OFFICE HOLDER IS THE CITY ATTORNEY. THE ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY SHALL REFER THE MATTER TO A THIRD PARTY. THAT'S ALL I DONE. AND THEN THE CITY ATTORNEY SHALL PRESENT THE MATTER TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR REVIEW, UM, TO THE EX TO THE HIGHEST EXTENT POSSIBLE. UM, THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF TRANSPARENCY POSSIBLE, CONSISTENT WITH STATE LAW. RIGHT. WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY BY WHOEVER THE PERSON IS, ATTORNEY HIGHEST LEVEL OF TRANSPARENCY POSSIBLE. YEAH, I DO, I HAVE, UH, SO I, I'LL READ IT BACK AWAY. AND THEN I THINK WE HAVE ONE OTHER CHANGE. UH, THE CITY ATTORNEY SHALL PRESENT THE MATTER. UH, THE, THE CITY ATTORNEY SHALL THEN PRESENT THE MATTER. SURE. LET'S PUT THEN, OR THE ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M, THAT MAY BE THE BEST WAY. THE CITY ATTORNEY OR ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY, THAT WAS THE OTHER THING, SHALL THEN PRESENT THE MATTER TO THE CITY COUNCIL, TO THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF TRANSPARENCY POSSIBLE. WILL WE, WE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT LANGUAGE? HIGHEST LEVEL, HIGHEST? HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY THAT? I LIKE, CAN YOU SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME? UM, IN A MANNER, IN A MANNER CONSISTENT WITH THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF TRANSPARENCY. CONSISTENT WITH THE HIGHEST LEVEL TRANSPARENCY. THANK YOU. AND I DO HAVE A COUPLE MORE, I THINK BE . UM, SO, UM, THANK YOU. BY, UH, AT THE BOTTOM OF, UM, IN PARAGRAPH FIVE, UM, IN THE SAME SECTION, THE BOTTOM OF, UH, SLIDE GAVE PACKET, UM, UPON THE, FOR ALLEGED VIOLATIONS OF THIS ACT RIGHT. TO THE EMPLOYEE UPON THE SEAT OF THE REPORT, THE APPOINTED AUTHORITY FOR THE DESIGN APPOINTING AUTHORITY OR THE DESIGNEE. YEAH. OR, OR THE HIRING AUTHORITY. WOULD THAT BE, WOULD BE CORRECT TO ALSO HAVE THAT, ARE YOU IN PART FIVE? YEAH. THIS IS NOW THESE ARE ALLEGATIONS BY, AND IT HAPPENED NUMEROUS TIMES IN THAT PARAGRAPH, IT GOES POINTED TO A POINTING BACK. YEAH. AND I THOUGHT IT HAPPENED. IT HAPPENED SOMEWHERE ELSE TOO. YEAH. LESS WITHOUT THIS PARAGRAPH. YEAH. YEAH. I, UM, BUT MY QUESTION WAS WHETHER IT SHOULD ALSO BE THE HIRING AUTHORITY IF IT OCCURRED TO ME THAT EMPLOYEES AREN'T APPOINTED. [01:40:02] UM, AND, AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH BE, UM, 4.0, 2.030, WHICH IS ENFORCEMENT AND I THINK 72. AND THIS IS THE ONE I ASKED ABOUT ALSO. YEAH. AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE, UM, IT, IT SAYS, WHAT SECTION DO YOU WANT? I 0.02. AND THIS IS, IT SAYS THE PROVISIONS OF CHAPTER 1.32 OF THIS CODE. AND THOSE ARE THE CODE CONDUCT AND ETHICS, WHICH IS YOU SAID ARE ASPIRATIONAL. RIGHT. UM, AND SAYS, AND SECTION 4.01090 SHALL MODIFY ITS CHAPTER. UM, HOWEVER, I'M WONDERING WHETHER 4.01, 4.0, 1.1 HUNDRED SHOULD ALSO BE PREFERRED TO, BECAUSE THAT'S THE, THAT'S THAT INVESTIGATION AND ENFORCEMENT AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND IF WE'RE NOT, I THINK THAT WAS A TYPO WE DISCUSSED. YEAH. THAT WE DIDN'T MAKE IT INTO THE NEWEST YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. SO WE ALL CONCURRED. WE ALL CONCURRED. THAT'S WHAT I WAS, SORRY. THAT OKAY. ALRIGHT. WE'LL CHANGE THAT. OKAY. YEAH. UM, AND WE CAN, I CAN WALK THROUGH, I THINK I MOVED IT SO I CAN WALK THROUGH PAGES. YEAH, I'VE GOT A COUPLE MORE. OKAY. WE'LL GET THOSE. BUT I'M GONNA COME BACK TO THIS. THIS IS THAT. UM, IT'S ALL THAT I HAVE, AND I JUST, WE'LL SECOND THE CHAIRS COMING, BUT THIS IS THE NORMAL, UM, THE, THE DISCUSSION OF OF 4.09, WHICH IS REFERENCE TO LOBBY ON PAGE 1 0 1 OF 1 24, UM, SAYS THAT ASSUMING, LET'S SEE, UH, SAYS THAT THE CURRENT IS FOR CODE PROVISIONS RELATED TO LOBBYISTS ARE LOCATED IN 2.08. 4.09 SHALL BE RESERVED FOR ANY LOBBYING PROVISIONS RECOMMENDED THAT THE, THE ETHICS COMMISSION RECOMMENDED TO THE CITY COUNCIL. UM, IF THE CITY COUNCIL COMPLETELY REJECTS THE LOBBY, THE PROPOSED LOBBYING CHANGES, BUT ACCEPTS THE GOOD GOVERNANCE ACT OTHERWISE, OR IN PART 4.09 SHOULD STILL GRANT 2.08. RIGHT. THE LOBBYIST PROVISIONS SHOULD BE IN THE GOOD GOVERNANCE ACT, WHETHER THEY'RE THE OLD ONES OR THE NEW ONES. RIGHT. SO I JUST THINK THE LANGUAGE SHOULD BE CHANGED SO THAT WHATEVER HAPPENS WITH THE LOBBYIST ORDINANCE, THOSE, THE PROVISION, THERE WILL BE LOBBY PROVISIONS, EITHER OLD OR NEW THEY GO INTO FOR PLACE OR NOT. YEAH. CHAPTER TWO. FOR CHAPTER 2.08 OR ANY FOR THE LOBBY PROVISIONS, THE ETHICS PROVISIONS RECOMMENDED GET WRONG GRADE LEVEL, RIGHT? ONE MINOR. WE GONNA HAVE TO, UH, STATE THESE EXACT VOTING AMENDMENTS BEFORE VOTING 'EM NOT IN MY VIEW, UH, ANSWER. WE HAVE TO HAVE THE EXACT WORDS OR TO BRING, TO MAKE THE CHANGES, AUTHORIZE THE AD HOC TO MAKE THE CHANGES. I BELIEVE WE CAN AUTHORIZE YOU TO MAKE THE CHANGES AND CONSISTENT WITH THE DISCUSS. IT DOES NOT HAVE TO COME BACK BECAUSE IF IT HAS COME BACK, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE VOTE OUT. I, I MY VIEW WE CAN AUTHORIZE YOU TO THE CHANGES YOU WANT. HAVE INPUT. THAT'S FINE. UM, PAGE EIGHT. PAGE [01:45:01] EIGHT THREE OF 1 24. I'M SORRY, A THREE OF 1 24. UH, CHAPTER 4.0, 4.010. UM, WE GO BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN SURMOUNT AND AMOUNT. UH, AH, THERE, IT'S, YEAH. WHAT LETTER ARE YOU IN ADDITION? PUBLIC. IT'S THE LAST CAR. LAST ANSWER OF THE FIRST PARAGRAPH. IN ADDITION, PUBLIC SERVICE SHALL NOT ENGAGE IN ACTIVITIES THAT SURMOUNT TO FRAUD, WASTE OR OTHER ABUSE TICKETS AMOUNT TO BROADWAY ABUSE. I, WE WANTED DO A, WE WANTED DO A . ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE, I FIND THE TYPO CHAIR. UM, 4.0, 3.010. THE MAIN PARAGRAPH. UM, THIRD SENTENCE. THAT IS A FOUR POINT. YEAH. 4.0. YEAH. MINE DOESN'T HAVE PAGE NUMBER, SO SORRY ABOUT THAT. UM, 4.03 POINT WHAT? ZERO. ONE ZERO IN THE PARAGRAPH UNDERNEATH. UH, C THIRD SENTENCE MUST IMMEDIATELY IDENTIFY THE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT, UH, GIVE RISE TO, OH, IT'S A VERY MINOR, BUT I WASN'T SURE. YEAH, THE WORD PERFECT CAUGHT IT OR NO, I APPRECIATE THAT. EMAILS FROM THE COMMISSION. DO WE HAVE ANY MEMO? DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ? SO, HEARING NO COMMENTS? AYE. COMMISSIONER AYE. AYE. COMM, NORWAY. AYE. COMMISSIONER COLEMAN? AYE. COLEMAN AYE. MOTION. OH, UH, JUST FOR THE RECORD, UH, FOR THE AUDIO RECORD. UH, SO THERE WERE MANY, UH, AMEN, UH, ON THE TABLE. SO WE WILL HAVE TO, I'LL CHECK WITH ANITA TO SEE THE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE, BUT BASICALLY AMEND THE, THE MOTION TO CORRECT ALL THE, THE CHANGES PROPOSED AND THE, UH, AD HOC IS AUTHORIZED TO IMPLEMENT THE RECOMMENDATION RECOMME CHANGES. I BELIEVE SO. ANITA, DO YOU HAVE OBJECTION TO THAT? SORRY, MY DROPPED. NITA, DO YOU ANY OBJECTION TO, UH, AUTHORITY? I DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECT. MOTION. MOTION, RIGHT? YEAH. SO I'LL, I'LL LISTEN BACK TO THE, THE RECORDING TO, TO MAKE THE VARIOUS CHANGES, UM, BUT THE MOTION WILL CARRY AS AMENDED. OKAY. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, [8. 25-54623 Recommendation to authorize the Ad Hoc on Updated Policies and former members of the Ad Hoc Committee on the Lobbyist Ordinance to appear at any future council meetings in which the Ethics Ordinance and changes to the Lobbyist Ordinance proposals are presented and discussed.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] RECOMMENDATION TO AUTHORIZE THE AD HOC UPDATED POLICIES AND FORMER MEMBERS OF THE AD HOC COMMITTEE ON THE LOBBYIST ORDINANCE TO APPEAR AT ANY FUTURE COUNCIL MEETINGS IN WHICH THE ETHICS ORDINANCE OF CHANGES TO THE LOBBYIST ORDINANCE PROPOSAL IS PRESENTED AND DISCUSS. MOVE SECOND. MOTION BY, UH, COLEMAN. SECOND BY, UH, GREAT. OKAY. NO PROMISE. UH, AND IS THERE ANY, UH, COMMENT FROM THE PUBLIC HEARING? NO COMMENT FROM THE PUBLIC AS BOTH MR. WES. AYE. MR. SHOTWELL? AYE. MR. DO YOU AYE. VICE CHAIR COLEMAN. AYE. CHAIR P*****K. [01:50:01] AYE. MOTION CARRIES A AGENDA. ITEM NUMBER NINE, RECOMMENDATION [9. 25-54624 Recommendation to receive and file an update from the Ad Hoc Committee on Commission Responsibilities.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] TO RECEIVE AND FILE AN UPDATE FROM THE AD HOC COMMITTEE ON COMMISSION RESPONSIBILITIES. I'LL GO AND PROVIDE A VERY BRIEF REPORT. SO, UH, A MOTION SECOND. SO MOVED. SECOND MOTION BY SECOND BRIEF REPORT THAT YOU KNOW, THE A, UH, IT'S CONTINUING TO MEET, UH, AND IS REVISING, UH, ITS RECOMMENDED, UH, MEMO PROPOSAL, WHICH IS IN THE FORM OF A MEMO THAT WILL BE DIRECTED TO THE COMMISSION AND IS BE INDICATED THE LAST MEETING. WE PROVIDE THAT THE APRIL MEETING, UH, THIS AFTERNOON, WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION WITH THE PROSECUTOR, UM, DEPENDING THE OTHER INTERVIEWS. YEAH, WE, WE WERE HOPING TO PRESS SPEAK WITH TWO OTHER OFFICIALS, BUT I'M NOT SURE IT'S GOING TO HAVE FOR THE AGENDA. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? HEARING? NO PUBLIC COMMENT VOTE. COMMISSIONER WEISS. AYE. COMMISSIONER SHAMO. AYE. COMMISSIONER DEUS. AYE. VICE CHAIR COLEMAN. AYE. CHAIR POLL. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10. RECOMMENDATION [10. 25-54625 Recommendation to discuss anticipated Ad Hoc Committees for upcoming projects; and, if appropriate, take action to dissolve, create or reauthorize Ad Hoc Committees.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] TO DISCUSS ANTICIPATED AD HOC COMMITTEES FOR UPCOMING PROJECTS AND IF APPROPRIATE, TAKE ACTION TO DISSOLVE, CREATE OR REAUTHORIZED AD HOC COMMITTEES. DO I HAVE A MOTION? NO. MOVE. SECOND. MOTION BY WE SECOND BY BE, UM, I, I THINK I HEARD FROM THE AD HOC COMMITTEE ON UPDATED POLICIES THAT YOU STILL GOT A TASK TO PERFORM. SO I'M RECOMMENDING WE KEEP YOU PLACE FOR AT LEAST ANOTHER MONTH FOR ONE MONTH LEAST ANOTHER MONTH, MAYBE TWO. WE TAKE IT MONTH BY MONTH. ANY DISCUSSIONS? ANY OTHER INPUT FROM OTHER MEMBERS OF THE DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? HEARING OF PUBLIC COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER WES. AYE. COMMISSIONER SHOTWELL. AYE. COMMISSIONER, DO YOU BENEFIT THIS? AYE. VICE CHAIR COLEMAN. AYE. CHAIR POLLMAN. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11, RECOMMENDATION [11. 25-54626 Recommendation to receive and file a monthly update from the Ethics Officer.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] TO RECEIVE AND FILE A MONTHLY UPDATE FROM THE ETHICS OFFICER. A MOTION. SECOND. THANK YOU CHAIR. UM, JUST A FEW THINGS FOR 700 IS DUE APRIL 1ST, SO LESS THAN A MONTH. I THINK THERE'S STILL THREE S ON THE LIST THAT HAVE NOT DONE THAT YET. UM, SO JUST BE PREPARED TO CONTINUE TO HEAR FROM PHILLIP AND MYSELF. UM, UNTIL THAT WE STILL HAVE OBVIOUSLY A COUPLE WEEKS, BUT UM, JUST ANOTHER PUSH FOR THAT DJ ROADMAP, UM, FRAMEWORK FOR CUSTOMIZATION WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT QUICKLY. UM, SO IN OUR STRATEGIC ROADMAP, OUR FIRST PRIORITY ONE IS A CULTURE OF ETHICS. AND EMBEDDED IN THAT PRIORITY IS CREATING A CUSTOMIZED FRAMEWORK FOR ETHICAL DECISION MAKING SPECIFIC TO THE CITY OF LONG BEACH. SO STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING WITH , UM, THROUGH JANUARY AND FEBRUARY. THEY'VE PRESENTED A DRAFT FRAMEWORK TO STAFF AND NOW IT'S TIME TO PRESENT IT TO THE CONDITION, UH, FOR FEEDBACK. SO, UM, THEY ARE PREPARED TO PRESENT TO THE COMMISSION. IT'S MORE LIKE A WORKSHOP THEY'RE PREPARED TO PRESENT TO THE COMMISSION. DURING OUR APRIL MEETING, UM, IT COULD TAKE UP TO 90 MINUTES. SO WE NEED TO DECIDE CHAIR, VICE CHAIR WHERE WE NEED TO DECIDE IF WE WANT TO HAVE A LIGHTER AGENDA FOR APRIL AND THAT BE THE UM, REALLY THE HEART OF WHAT APRIL'S AGENDA IS OR IF WE WANT SCHEDULE A SPECIAL MEETING OUTSIDE OF UM, OUR APRIL COMMISSION. [01:55:02] SO THEY DO HAVE A WHOLE OTHER CALENDAR. UM, LIKE I SAID, THEY ARE PREPARED TO COME ON APRIL. THAT'S EARLIER. COULD WE GET IT ALL DONE IN ONE DAY? TWO 30 PEOPLE COULD DO THAT. WHAT, 8, 8, 9 AM NO . YEAH, I, THAT'S AN OPTION TO, I JUST HAVE TO NEED TO DOUBLE CHECK WITH THE CLERK, BUT I BELIEVE WE, WE ALL HAVE THAT SPACE IS RESERVED FOR US. SORRY, AT TWO O'CLOCK. WE WANTED TO START THE MEETING AN HOUR EARLIER. THAT'S DEFINITELY, I'M JUST TRYING TO FILL OFF THE CALENDAR TO SEE IF WE HAD THINGS IDENTIFIED. STILL LIGHT. UM, I TENTATIVELY HAVE THE AUDITOR ON THERE, BUT THEY'RE ME NOW. OH RIGHT. YES. YEAH, WE ALSO HAVE, SO WE DON'T HAVE A HEAVY AGENDA. YEAH. YEAH. DO FOLKS PREFER TO DO A SECOND MEETING IN APRIL? IT MAY NOT MEAN THAT'S WHAT WE WERE SCHEDULING. I DUNNO. EVERYBODY'S SCHEDULE , I DUNNO HIS SCHEDULE AND I DON'T KNOW COMMISSIONER, SHE'LL BE BACK. SO I MEAN WE DON'T HAVE TO DECIDE. THE NEXT FEW WEEKS ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE PRESENT TODAY MEETING ABOUT TWO, TWO O'CLOCK START TIME HAVE YES OR OKAY PLEASE. . JUST FOR CURRENT, CURRENTLY WITH MY OTHER OBLIGATIONS, ONE CIVIL SERVICE WOULD PREFER ONE MEETING AND NOT A SECONDARY. OKAY, GOT IT. THAT'S JUST MY PREFERENCE. OKAY, GOOD FOR YOU. UM, ARE STILL, WE DIDN'T HAVE A BIKE THAT TURNED OUT IN FEBRUARY. UM, THAT WE JANUARY AND THEN MARCH WE'RE GONNA SHARING MORE STRATEGIC MARCH OUT AND THEN THE ROAD INPUT FROM THE COMMISSION. ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? HEARING THE PUBLIC COMMENT? LET'S TAKE VOTE COMM WE AYE. MR. SHOTWELL? AYE. MR. EZ AYE. UH, VICE CHAIR . AYE. AYE. MR. CARRIES I AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12, RECOMMENDATION [12. 25-54627 Recommendation to discuss potential agenda items for future Commission meetings.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] TO DISCUSS POTENTIAL AGENDA ITEMS FOR FUTURE COMMISSION MEETINGS. DO I HAVE A MOTION? I SO SECOND. MOTION BY SECOND. ANY INPUT? NO. DO I HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT HEARING THE PUBLIC COMMENT? COMMISSIONER WISE? AYE. MR. SHOTWELL? AYE. COMMISSIONER? AYE. COMMISSIONER FULLER. AYE. CHAIR PUBLIC? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. UM, DO WE HAVE [PUBLIC COMMENT Opportunity to address the Ethics Commission on non-agenda items. Each speaker is limited to three minutes to make their comments unless extended by the Chair.] ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON NON AGENDA ITEMS? [02:00:09] UH, ANNOUNCEMENTS? [ANNOUNCEMENTS] UH, I, I DID WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYONE KNOWS THAT UH, HEATHER, CHIEF AND I ARE GOING TO BE RECORDING, UM, A PSA. UH, WE DO HAVE PRIOR AUTHORITY FROM THE FULL COMMISSION TO DO PSAS ON ETHICS. SO WE WILL BE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE ETHICS COMMISSION. UM, AND WE'LL BE RECORDING SOMETHING THAT WILL THEN GO UP ON LBTV. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT GOES TO ALL EMPLOYEE ADDED AVAILABLE PUBLICLY. YEAH, WE CAN PUT INTERVIEW CENTER. YEAH, THE OET WILL BE DOING ONE AS WELL. GREAT. CAN I MAKE A REQUEST OUR NEXT MEETING WE CAN HAVE, UH, NIELSEN RATINGS ON, ON BOTH ACTUALLY. AH, I, I, BECAUSE THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA, WE CAN'T TAKE A VOTE ON THAT REQUEST. , DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY? THE TIME IS 5 0 8 MEETING [ADJOURNMENT] IS ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.