* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. WE WILL CALL TO ORDER THE FIRST MEETING OF THE FINANCE, SORRY, OF THE GOVERNANCE COMMITTEE OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION COMMITTEE AT 4:31 PM ON THURSDAY, MARCH 13TH, 2025. DIRECTOR, CAN YOU DO THE ROLL CALL? YES. THANK YOU. CHAIR REDFIELD. UH, CHAIR REDFIELD HERE. COMMISSIONER HUGO HERE, AND COMMISSIONER YTE SMITH HERE. ALL PRESENT AND ACCOUNTED FOR. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU. UH, WE WILL GO TO ITEM ONE, WHICH IS, LET ME, UH, DO THIS RIGHT HERE. A RECOMMENDATION TO DISCUSS FEE WAIVER REQUESTS RECEIVED BETWEEN FEBRUARY 13TH, 2025 AND MARCH 12TH, 2025. UH, UH, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? SO MOVED. SECOND. THANK YOU. UM, AND, UH, DIRECTOR, CAN WE HAVE A REPORT? YES. UM, OUR COMMUNITY RECREATION SERVICES BUREAU MANAGER, GLADYS KAISER, WILL PRESENT THIS TO THIS COMMITTEE. GOOD AFTERNOON, GLADYS. GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. ON BEHALF OF THE COMMUNITY, WE HAVE SEVERAL REQUESTS. UM, THE FIRST IS ON BEHALF OF THE LONG BEACH COMMUNITY BAND. THIS IS A BLANKET REQUEST, UM, FROM JULY, 2025 THROUGH JULY, JUNE OF 2026. THIS IS FOR THEIR WEEKLY BAND REHEARSALS. THEY USE THE LONG BEACH SENIOR CENTER BALLROOM FOR, AGAIN, THEIR BAND REHEARSALS AMOUNT REQUESTED TO BE WAIVED AS $21,160 IN FACILITY AND PERMIT FEES AND, UM, STAFF FEES, UM, AND THE REVENUE, I'M SORRY, PERMIT FEES. UM, AND THE, THERE'S NO EXPECTED REVENUE AND THERE'S NO GATE FEES. THE SECOND IS ON, UM, LOS ALTOS, YMCA. THIS IS, AGAIN, A BLANKET REQUEST FROM JULY, 2025 THROUGH JUNE, 2026. IT'S BEFORE AND AFTERSCHOOL CARE, AS WELL AS THEIR SUMMER CAMPS. UM, AT WHALEY PARK IN THE OPEN SPACE FOR YOUTH PROGRAMS, THE REQUESTED IS 57,000, UM, $55 FOR THE PERMIT AND SPECIAL USE FEES. AND THEN THE THIRD REQUEST IS ON BEHALF, UM, OF LIVE AT THE SHELL. UM, THIS IS A NEW GROUP, UM, BUT IT IS NOT A NEW EVENT. IT'S FOR CON CONCERTS, PERFORMANCES, AND FESTIVALS FROM THE PERIOD OF 5 24 THROUGH 9 14 20 25 TO BE HELD AT THE RECREATION BAN SHELL FOR COMMUNITY EVENTS, $13,320 IN FACILITY PERMIT FEES REQUESTED TO BE WAIVED WITH $5,880 IN APPLICABLE STAFF FEES. AND THEN THE, THE NEXT REQUEST IS FROM A GROUP CALLED FOUNDATION. THIS IS NOT A NEW GROUP AND NOT A NEW EVENT. THEY'RE HAVING THEIR, UM, ANNUAL CHARITABLE WALK RUN AT THE EL DORADO PARK EAST AREA THREE ON JUNE 15TH. IT IS A COMMUNITY EVENT. THEY'RE REQUESTING $539 IN FACILITY PERMIT FEES REQUESTED TO BE WAIVED, AND THEY HAVE APPLICABLE $1,069, UM, FOR SECURITY DEPOSIT AS WELL AS STAFF FEES. THIS IS AT THE ELWOOD REGIONAL PARK, AND SO THERE IS EXPECTED GATE REVENUE FOR ABOUT 400 IN ATTENDANCE. AND THEN ON BEHALF OF THE DELTA SIGMA THETA SORORITY INC. ALUMNI CHAPTER, UM, THIS IS A NEW GROUP AND A NEW EVENT. THEY'RE REQUESTING THE USE OF THE MARTIN LUTHER KING JUNIOR PARK OPEN SPACE FOR HEALTH AND AWARENESS FAIR ON MAY 17TH FOR, UH, AS A COMMUNITY EVENT, $375 IN PERMIT AND SPECIAL YOUTH FEES, UM, REQUESTED TO BE WAIVED THEN ON BEHALF OF BREATHE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. NOT A NEW GROUP, NOT A NEW EVENT FOR THEIR ANNUAL ENVIRONMENTAL RESOURCE FAIR TO BE HELD AT ADMIRAL KID PARK IN THEIR OPEN SPACE ON APRIL 12TH. UM, $137 AND 50 CENTS PERMIT IN SPECIAL USE FEES REQUESTED TO BE WAIVED. AND THERE'S AN ERROR THAT WILL BE FIXED ON THE REVENUE, UM, AS IS A DUPLICATE INFORMATION. UM, AND THEN WE HAVE THE ROTARY CLUB OF LONG BEACH. UM, NOT A NEW GROUP, NOT A NEW EVENT FOR THEIR ANNUAL BOOK FAIR IN A HUNT, UM, THAT THEY'RE USING AT THE ROAD ROTARY CENTENNIAL PARK OPEN SPACE ON APRIL 19TH. UM, $271 IN SPECIAL USE IN, AS WELL AS A BOUNCE HOUSE FEES, UM, THAT WILL BE, UM, WEIGHED, UM, AND ZERO APPLICABLE STAFF CHARGES. SO COMMISSIONERS, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON BEHALF OF ANY OF THE GROUPS, I'LL BE GLAD TO DO MY BEST TO ANSWER. IF NOT, GO BACK TO THE GROUP QUESTION. YEAH. COMMISSIONER HEGA? YES, I HAVE. UM, WELL, IT'S, I GUESS THE SAME QUESTION ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT ITEMS. OKAY. I NOTICED THERE WERE TWO, BOTH THE, UH, LIVE AT THE SHELL AND THE ROTARY CLUB WHERE IT IS YES. A NEW GROUP, BUT NOT A NEW EVENT. MM-HMM . UM, WHAT IS, CAN YOU, OKAY, SO, UM, I COULD, I'LL ANSWER THEM SEPARATELY. SO, LIVE AT THE SHELL, UM, FORMALLY KNOWN AS FRIENDS OF, OH, UM, THE BAND SHELL OKAY. HAVE PUT THEMSELVES UNDER A NEW GROUP. SO IT'S A NEW GROUP ESTABLISHMENT, BUT THEY'RE HAVING THE SAME EVENT. SO ON THE ROTARY CLUB, THAT IS AN ERROR. THEY'RE NOT A NEW GROUP AND NOT A NEW EVENT. SO THAT WOULD BE A CORRECTION. UM, AND THEN ANOTHER [00:05:01] CORRECTION ON LINE ONE. UM, UNDER MOUNT WAIVED, IT SAYS PERMIT AND STAFF FEES. UM, STAFF FEES WILL BE REMOVED AS WE DO NOT REMOVE STAFF FEES. WE DON'T APPLY STAFF FEES. COMMISSIONER, THAT WAS MY QUESTION TOO. SO, UM, SO, SO THEN FRIENDS OF RECREATION BAN, I'LL JUST COMPLETELY CHANGE THEIR NAME, RIGHT? THEY ESTABLISHED THEIR FIVE OH, THEIR OWN 5 0 1 C3. OKAY. SO THAT IS THEIR NEW, WE MET WITH THEM, UM, TO DISCUSS THEIR EVENTS FOR 2025, AND THEY DISCLOSED THAT THAT IS, UM, THEY'VE ESTABLISHED THEIR OWN 5 0 1 C3 NO LONGER UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF PARTNERSHIP PARKS. OKAY. THANK YOU. WOULD THERE BE STAFF FEES THEN? FOR THE FIRST ONE? NO, THERE'S NO SERVICE. SO IT'S STILL ZERO. THEY PRACTICE AT TIMES THAT WE HAVE, UM, ONGOING, UM, PROGRAMS AT THE SIT FACILITY. PERFECT, THANK YOU. AND, UM, UH, GLADYS, DO YOU ANTICIPATE ANY OF THESE PEOPLE SHOWING UP AT THE COMMISSION MEETING? UM, WE INVITE, WE LET EACH GROUP KNOW THAT THEIR, UM, THEIR PERMIT FEE, THEIR FEE WAIVER REQUEST WILL BE SUBMITTED TO THE COMMISSION, AND WE INVITE THEM TO ATTEND. UM, AS YOU KNOW, MANY OF THEM DO. UM, THE, SOMETIMES THE TIME PROHIBITS THEM FROM ATTENDING, BUT WE, OUR STAFF MEMBER GO BACK AND INVITE EACH GROUP. PARTICULARLY I'M THINKING ABOUT THE SORORITY, WHICH IS THE FIRST TIME EVENT PROGRAM GROUP. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, HEARING NONE, CAN I JUST MAKE A, SORRY, WE HAVE NEW MEMBERS, UH, ON THE, ON THE COMMITTEE. YOU WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE POST EVENT REPORTS? YES. WHERE WE GOTTA GET THE INFORMATION BACK FROM THE ORGANIZATIONS. KIND OF CLOSE THE LOOP ON THAT. SO, UM, THANK YOU, UM, STEVE, FOR BRINGING THAT UP FOR, SO ONE OF THE, UH, REQUIREMENTS OF REQUEST GETTING A FEE WAIVER FROM A GROUP IS THAT WHEN THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU THE MAYOR FOUNDATION HAS THEIR EVENT, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO TURN IN A POST, UM, EVENT INFORMATION SHEET TELLING US ABOUT THE EVENT. UM, MANY OF THEM INCLUDE, SO YOU KNOW, HOW MANY PEOPLE ATTENDED, UM, YOU KNOW, THEIR OUTCOMES OF THE EVENT, UM, ANY ISSUES THEY, THEY HAD WITH THE EVENT. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, AND, UM, PICTURES ARE ALWAYS HELPFUL FOR THE EVENT. SO IT ALLOWS US TO, UM, INCLUDE THAT IN OUR REPORT. UM, SO AT OUR LAST FULL COMMISSION MEETING, UM, SOMEONE BROUGHT UP, I AM, NOW I'M BLANKING, I, WHICH GROUP IT WAS, BUT SOMEONE BROUGHT UP THAT FOR ONE OF THE EVENTS, THEY WERE EXPECTING TWO STAFF MEMBERS, BUT ONLY ONE STAFF MEMBER WAS THERE, THAT SORT OF THING. SO WOULD THAT, WOULD THOSE CONCERNS BE BROUGHT UP IN THAT POST EVENT? YEAH, SO, UM, USUALLY WE WOULDN'T WAIT THAT LONG. SO I WORKED WITH THE, THE, UM, IT WAS THE ANGELS. JAZZ ANGELS, THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. SO JAZZ ANGELS IN WORKING WITH MR. UM, UH, THE GENTLEMAN, UM, TO ADDRESS THOSE. AND SOMETIMES THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S ONE, AND THEN IT GOES TWO. SO IT DEPENDS ON THE TIMING. AFTER 6:00 PM WE REQUIRE TWO STAFF MEMBERS TO BE THERE, UM, WITH THEM. SO I, I PROVIDED CLARIFICATION TO HIM AND, AND DIRECTION WE HAVE. SO IT WORKED OUT VERY WELL. OKAY. OKAY. GREAT. OKAY. SO A A LOT OF TIMES COMMISSIONERS, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S, YOU KNOW, AT THE MEETING, IT'S DIFFICULT THAT WE DON'T HAVE, CAN'T PROVIDE THE COMM THE QUESTIONS ON THE FLOOR, BUT WE CONNECT WITH THE GROUP, UM, AFTER. GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANKS, TED. THAT WAS A GOOD POINT. UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? HEARING NONE? WE HAVE A RECOMMENDATION, UH, MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER HIA, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ORIE SMITH. ALL IN FAVOR? A AYE. OPPOSED ABSTAIN. THANK YOU. THAT PASSES. AND WE NOW MOVE ON TO ITEM TWO, A RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE FILE, AN UPDATE REGARDING DAMAGE, LOSS AND THEFT AS IT RELATES TO THE DEPARTMENT OF PARKS RECREATION MARINE. UH, DO I HAVE A MOTION? SO MOVED. SECOND. UH, AND DIRECTOR, DO WE HAVE A REPORT? YES. CHAIR REDFIELD, UH, OUR DEPUTY DIRECTOR STEVE SCOTT, WILL WALK YOU THROUGH THIS. SO, JUST BY WAY OF BACKGROUND, UM, EACH MONTH WE PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON SOME OF THE VANDALISM THAT IS HAPPENING IN OUR PARKS, JUST SO THAT THE COMMISSION COMMISSIONERS KIND OF KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING OUT THERE. AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD MONTHS WHERE WE'VE HAD A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS WORTH OF DAMAGES, OR IF WE'VE HAD A PLAYGROUND THAT HAS BURNED DOWN, THAT MIGHT BE A MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF DAMAGES. FORTUNATELY, OVER THE LAST, UH, COUPLE OF MONTHS, WE'VE REALLY HAD A BIT OF A REDUCTION, UH, IN, UH, VANDALISM OCCURRING IN OUR PARKS THIS MONTH. UM, WE ARE AT JUST ABOUT $3,000. OH MY GOSH. WHICH IS REALLY LOW. THAT'S REALLY LOW. UH, TWO OF THE COMMISSIONERS WHO'VE BEEN ON THIS, UH, OR AT LEAST ON THE FINANCE OF APPEALS, KIND OF KNOW THAT THE TYPES OF THINGS WE GET AND THE, THE DOLLAR VALUE IMPACT, $3,000 FOR A MONTH IS REALLY, REALLY LOW. MM-HMM . THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT [00:10:01] WE HAD, UH, IN FEBRUARY, MOSTLY FENCE CUTTING. SO A LOT OF PATCHWORK FOR FENCES, PEOPLE TRYING TO GET IN AND OUT OF OUR FACILITIES, OR REALLY, IT'S MORE FOR A SHORTCUT, UH, SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO WALK ALL THE WAY AROUND TO A GATE. YOU MIGHT HAVE SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, CUT A, CUT A HOLE INTO THE FENCE, AND WE HAVE TO GO OUT THEN AND REPAIR THOSE. WE GET A LOT OF DAMAGE TO OUR, UH, FREESTANDING RESTROOMS. UH, THAT DAMAGE HAS GONE DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY SINCE WE STARTED OUR PARK AMBASSADOR PROGRAM, BUT WE STILL DO GET OCCASIONAL, UH, RESTROOM, UM, ISSUES WHERE THE LOCK, UH, FOR THE DOOR MIGHT BE DAMAGED, OR PEOPLE REALLY LIKE TO STEAL THE, UH, TOILET PAPER HOLDERS. MM-HMM . THEY'RE METAL RODS. THEY DO WHAT THEY MAY WITH THOSE , BUT WE SEE A LOT OF THAT. IN THIS MONTH, WE SAW MOSTLY, UH, FENCE PATCHWORK. AND IT'S REALLY, THERE'S REALLY NO ONE AREA THAT IS, UH, MOST HEAVILY INPUT. IT IS ACROSS THE BOARD. IT MAY BE OUT HERE ON THE EAST SIDE AT EL DORADO OR UP AT HOUGHTON OR WEST SIDE, UH, AT ADVOCATE OR SILVERADO. IT REALLY JUST HAPPENS EVERYWHERE. UM, BUT OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS, WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GET SOME OF THOSE COSTS DOWN, UM, PARTICULARLY AS IT RELATES TO OUR FREESTANDING RESTROOMS WITH THE SUCCESS OF OUR PARK VASCULAR PROGRAM. SO AGAIN, $3,000 FOR THIS MONTH. UM, GREAT NUMBER. I SHOULD POINT OUT THOUGH, WE HAVE ONE COST, AND IT'S GONNA BE ABOUT $4,000 THAT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THIS. AND THIS IS FOR A BACKFLOW, UM, THAT WE DID NOT, UH, HAVE THE MATERIAL COST LISTED HERE. SO ACTUALLY CLOSER TO 7,000. BUT, UM, STILL A VERY, VERY GOOD MONTH IN TERMS OF LOSS AND AND DAMAGE. THANK YOU, STEVE, FOR THAT WONDERFUL REPORT. DO WE ASK QUESTIONS? YES. OR, OKAY. ABSOLUTE QUESTIONS, . UM, SO I, UH, TWO QUESTIONS. SO REGARDING THE FENCE CUTTING, IS THAT, IS THAT TYPICALLY, UM, CONNECTED WITH THE ENCAMPMENTS AS WELL? IS THAT OKAY? YEAH, I'M NOT GONNA ATTRIBUTE ALL OF THE FENCE CUTTING TO PERSONS EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS, BUT CERTAINLY IT IS A SIGNIFICANT DRIVER. OKAY. YEAH. AND THEN, UM, THE OTHER QUESTION WAS, YOU MENTIONED, UM, THE SUCCESS OF THE PARK AMBASSADOR PROGRAM. UM, I KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF TREPIDATION AROUND, YOU KNOW, SHIFTING FROM THE RANGER PROGRAM TO THE PARK AMBASSADOR. SO, UM, IT SEEMS LIKE THINGS ARE GOING WELL, LIKE IF THAT'S THE PARK AMBASSADOR PROGRAM, AND, AND I DON'T KNOW IF BRENT WANTS TO TALK ABOUT THIS AT ALL, HAS BEEN REALLY SUCCESSFUL. I THINK, UH, WE RAN SOME NUMBERS RECENTLY AS WE, UM, TOOK A LOOK AT THE PROGRAM, I THINK KIND OF PRE AMBASSADOR PROGRAM TO WHERE WE ARE NOW. WE'VE HAD A 50% REDUCTION IN COSTS RELATED TO VANDALISM IN OUR FREE SCANNING RESTROOMS AND CALLS FOR SERVICE MM-HMM . UM, SO IT HAS BEEN VERY, VERY SUCCESSFUL. CERTAINLY THE, THE RANGERS ALSO PLAYED A ROLE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT MM-HMM . BUT, UM, CAN'T SAY ENOUGH ABOUT THE SUCCESS OF THE PARK AMBASSADOR PROGRAM. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER, OR YOU SUPPOSED TO HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? NO, JUST EXCITED THAT, LIKE, IT NOT CON COSTING US MONEY, BUT IT'D BE GREAT TO SHARE LIKE WHAT A TYPICAL, UH, MONTH WAS LIKE LAST YEAR SO THAT, UM, OUR, OUR NEW MEMBER. YEAH. IT CAN UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE. IT BE, IT 3000, 7,000 IS REALLY LOW. IT COULD BE, WE HAD A FEW MONTHS WHERE WE WERE UP IN THE TWENTIES AND 30 THOUSANDS, I REMEMBER 40. UM, BUT IF YOU REMEMBER A FEW YEARS AGO, PROBABLY BEFORE YOU WERE ON THE COMMISSION, BUT WHEN ADMIRAL KID PLAYGROUND BURNED OUT, I MEAN, THAT'S A $1.75 MILLION LOSS. RIGHT. THAT OF COURSE IS GONNA BE AN OUTLIER AND REALLY THROW YOUR, YOUR STATISTICS, UH, UM, KIND OF OUT OF WHACK, BUT IT'S NOT UNCOMMON TO BE IN THE 20, 30, 40,000 PER LIFE, UH, LOSS. MM-HMM . SO CERTAINLY A BIG FINANCIAL IMPACT ON OUR DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THESE ARE THINGS YOU DON'T TYPICALLY, YOU CAN'T PLAN, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT PLAYGROUND IS GONNA GET HIT OR THAT, SO WE REALLY JUST HAVE TO ADAPT, UH, AND ADAPT WITH OUR BUDGET TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS, UH, THOSE COSTS. SO WHAT, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO WITH OUR EXTRA MONEY? ? I WOULD LOVE TO SAY THAT ALL OF THE MONEY TO SUPPORT VANDALISM IS BUDGETED, BUT IT'S NOT. BUT IT'S NOT. SO IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE NECESSARILY SAVING MONEY, IT'S THAT WE'RE NOT GOING OVER THE BUDGET AS MUCH. OKAY. UM, AND THIS SORT OF STAYS WITH THE SAME POINTS THAT YOU'RE BRINGING UP AND THAT I'M INTERESTED IN COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS OF [00:15:01] HOW MUCH THE AMBASSADORS ARE COSTING AND HOW MUCH WE'RE SAVING. I DON'T NEED A BIG COMPREHENSIVE REPORT, BUT I'D BE VERY CURIOUS TO BE ABLE TO SAY TO THE, UH, CITY MANAGER, LOOK WHAT WE'VE DONE. THIS WAS A GREAT IDEA AND IT'S WORKING. MM-HMM . YEP. ABSOLUTELY. AND MAYBE I ACTUALLY HAVE THOSE NUMBERS, BUT THIS MEETING NEXT MONTH SURE. UH, I CAN BRING, UH, SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS. OKAY. YEAH. 'CAUSE HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN NOW FOR THE PROGRAM? IS IT ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF YEAR BY YEAR? YEAH. OKAY. ABOUT A YEAR. UH, JUNE 1ST, IT'LL BE THEIR SECOND YEAR ANNIVERSARY. OH, ALMOST TWO YEARS. ALMOST TWO YEARS. SO WE, WE DID, UM, WE CONTEMPLATED PUTTING TOGETHER LIKE A FIRST YEAR RECORD MM-HMM . BUT THE FIRST COUPLE MONTHS, IN ALL HONESTY, WE WERE KIND OF FEELING OUR WAY THROUGH THE, AND, UM, BECAUSE IT WAS BRAND NEW TOO. WE HAD A COUPLE GLITCHES AND, UH, THE COMMUNITY HAD SOME, UM, AWARENESS NEEDS TOO, . BUT, UM, BUT I'M THINKING THAT WITH SOME OF THE DATA THAT STEVE JUST SHARED WITH YOU, IT MIGHT BE INTERESTING TO, IN A TWO YEAR INCREMENT TO KIND OF SHOW THE DECLINE IN WORK ORDERS OR CALLS FOR SERVICE OR ACTUAL DOLLAR EXPENSES FOR REPAIRING, UM, OR REPLACING THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN VANDALIZED OR STOLEN. SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY ENLIGHTENING. PLUS, I, I THINK IT'D BE INFORMATIVE TO, UH, PUSH UP. THEY CALL 'EM TFFS. IT'S TWO FOR FROM COMMUNICATIONS TO THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MM-HMM . UH, TO SHOWCASE THE SUCCESS. 'CAUSE I THINK WHENEVER WE MAKE A CASE TO, UH, SEEK LIKE A STRUCTURAL BUDGET ENHANCEMENT AND TO SHOW THEM THAT THAT INVESTMENT HAD A TREMENDOUS IMPACT. 'CAUSE I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS SAY WE WANT OUR PARKS TO BE SAFER, CLEANER, MORE WELCOMING AND BEAUTIFUL. AND THAT IS PROBABLY OUR BEST EXAMPLE, THAT AN INVESTMENT WAS REALLY STRATEGICALLY SMART AND TO THE GREATER BENEFIT OF THE COMMUNITY. SO WE REALLY TRY TO SHOW THE SUCCESSES OF THE STRATEGIC INVESTMENTS. 'CAUSE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF MONEY OUT THERE YEAH. FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO INVEST IN PARKS AND REC OR POLICE OR FIRE. AND SO CERTAINLY WE LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT, YOU INVESTED THIS MUCH IN US. LET US TELL YOU THE BENEFITS OF THAT INVESTMENT. YEAH. THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANT TO COMMENT, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT, UM, YEARS AGO, NOT THAT MANY, I'VE BEEN AROUND THAT MANY. UM, UH, COPPER WAS AN ISSUE, PARTICULARLY AT THE, UH, CIRCLE FIELDS. THE, THE, UH, SPORTS LIGHTING YES. IS A BIG ONE. YES. BUT I WAS ALSO THINKING OF THE FIELDS WHERE YOU'VE PUT SOME GATES OVER THEM. UH, WHAT AM I SAYING? THE CIRCLES, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC CIRCLE, YOU KNOW THE NEW ONES THAT OH, OH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. THOSE ARE THE BACKFLOWS. THANK YOU. UM, IN THE ROUNDABOUTS. YES. UH, THE TRAFFIC ROUNDABOUTS. AND WE HAD A REAL BIG ISSUE WHERE THE BACKFLOWS WERE GETTING STOLEN FOR, FOR YEARS. AND THEY'RE EXPENSIVE, THEY'RE EXPENSIVE TO PLACE 'CAUSE THE COPPER. RIGHT. AND SO YOU ARE CORRECT. OUR MAINTENANCE TEAMS WOULD GO OUT AND START TO PUT CAGES AROUND THEM. NOW, WITH RESPECT TO OTHER OF THE COPPER WIRING, PARTICULARLY WITH OUR SPORTS FIELDS WHERE WE HAVE THE LIGHTS, UM, WE'VE BEEN PROACTIVE IN GOING OUT AND SECURING THE ACCESS, UH, TO THOSE, UM, UH, CABLES OR, OR WIRES. AND SO THE MAINTENANCE TEAM HAS DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB OF GOING OUT AND TRYING TO SECURE THOSE TO THE BEST OF THEIR ABILITY. NOW, IF SOMEBODY HAS A LOT OF TIME AND ENOUGH TOOLS, RIGHT, THEY'RE GONNA GET IN THERE. AND I'M NOT GONNA SAY WE'RE NOT GOING TO LOSE COPPER WIRING, BUT CERTAINLY IT IS NOT AS BAD AS IT WAS. SO EVEN TWO YEARS, YOU KNOW, JUST A COUPLE YEARS AGO. BUT ACTUALLY EVEN BEFORE THAT, MAYBE SIX YEARS AGO, IT WAS REALLY BAD, REALLY. AND THERE WAS SOME STATE LAW THAT ACTUALLY CHANGED WITH RESPECT TO THE RECYCLING CENTERS THAT WOULD PAY PEOPLE FOR THE COPPER WIRE. MM-HMM . THERE WAS SOME STATE LAW THAT ACTUALLY HELPED US, UH, ADDRESS THAT AS WELL, WHERE IT WASN'T AS EASY TO TAKE IT IN SOMEWHERE AND GET PAID FOR IT. MM-HMM . YEAH. THAT'S GOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT REPORT. SO, JUST A FOLLOW UP QUESTION FOR THE PARK AMBASSADORS, HOW IS THAT IN TERMS OF THE STAFFING? HAS THERE BEEN, UM, CONSISTENT, LIKE HAVE THE SAME EMPLOYEES BEEN IN THOSE ROLES? OR IS TURNOVER? NO, I THINK, I THINK IT'S BEEN KIND OF A TRAINING GROUND FOR SOME OF OUR, UM, MA ONES, MA TWOS THAT, SOME THREES THAT HAVE ADVANCED UP. OH, THAT'S GREAT. UM, SOME OF THEM ARE, UM, LEADERS IN DIFFERENT CAPACITIES, UH, BUT ALSO, UM, BECAUSE OF THE RECRUITMENT PROCESS AND LIKE A GREENHORN A NEW PERSON WHEN THEY GET IN, THEY, OH, THIS ISN'T WHAT I THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE. UM, 'CAUSE IT, IT'S, IT'S A NIGHTTIME SHIFT. YEAH. IT'S DURING THE DARKER EVENING HOURS AND THE WEE HOURS. YEAH. AND EARLY ON UNTIL WE KIND OF BROKE THE HABIT OF PEOPLE EXPECTING TO STAY OR SLEEP IN THE RESTROOMS OVERNIGHT, THAT ENCOUNTERING, UM, BUT I HAVE TO GIVE PD [00:20:01] HAS BEEN HELPFUL IN THE EARLY MONTHS TO SUPPORT THEM. OKAY. BUT YEAH, WE'VE HAD SOME SAFETY CONCERNS. UH, BUT YEAH, I THINK IT'S, I WON'T CALL IT THE, THE GATEWAY, UM, JOB FOR OUR DEPARTMENT, BUT CERTAINLY SOME OF THEM, IF THEY, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING. THEY SHOULD ADVANCE UP INTO SOME OTHER, OTHER OPPORTUNITIES. SO BEFORE WE CLOSE THIS ITEM, I, I DO HAVE A YEAR OVER YEAR, UM, COST FOR VANDALISM THROUGH, SO THROUGH FEBRUARY OF, UH, 25. SO THAT'S FIVE MONTHS OF THE FISCAL YEAR. UH, STARTING IN OCTOBER, WE HAVE LOSS OF ABOUT $28,000 THIS YEAR THROUGH THE SAME PERIOD LAST YEAR, OCTOBER OF 23 THROUGH FEBRUARY OF 24, IF I DOING THAT CORRECTLY. IT WAS ABOUT 103,000. OH. SO 28,000 VERSUS A HUNDRED, 3000. WE'VE HAD A FEW REALLY GOOD MONTHS. AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT'S REALLY GOOD MEETINGS. WE'RE NOT GONNA BRING BAD LUCK ON THIS. YEAH. DID YOU KNOCK ON THE WOOD? WE HAVE WOODEN CONFERENCE TABLES FOR THAT REASON. , KEEP 'EM WOODEN. WELL, THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS. WE HAVE A, A MISSION FROM COMMISSIONER ORTI SMITH, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HIGA. UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR A AYE. OPPOSED STATE. THANK YOU. UH, WE CAN NOW MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER THREE, A RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE AN UPDATE REGARDING FINANCE AND WAIVER AND FINANCE AND WATER AS IT RELATES TO DEPARTMENTS OF PARKS, RECREATION, MARINE. IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY. UH, CAN I HAVE A MOTION? SO MOVED. SECOND. THANK YOU. UH, DO WE HAVE A REPORT DIRECTOR? YES. YES WE DO. CHAIR REDFIELD ONCE AGAIN. UH, DEPUTY DIRECTOR STEVE SCOTT WILL WALK YOU THROUGH THIS. HIGHLIGHTS. ALRIGHT. SO AGAIN, JUST BY WAY OF BACKGROUND, EVERY MONTH WE TAKE A LOOK AT HOW WE ARE DOING AS A DEPARTMENT, UH, WITH, UM, THE EXPENDITURE OF OUR ANNUAL BUDGET. AND THIS IS SPECIFICALLY FOR THE CITY'S GENERAL FUND, UH, WHICH IS REALLY ABOUT MAYBE 60% OF OUR TOTAL BUDGET FOR THE DEPARTMENT IS THE GENERAL FUND. AND, UM, IT IS ABOUT, I'M LOOKING AT THE WRONG REPORT. IT'S THIS ONE. OUR GENERAL FUND BUDGET FOR THE CURRENT YEAR IS JUST ABOUT $49 MILLION. SO THROUGH THE FIRST FIVE MONTHS OF THE FISCAL YEAR, WHICH IS ABOUT 41% OF THE FISCAL YEAR, WE HAVE EXPENDED CLOSE TO 35% OF OUR BUDGET. SO WE'RE UNDER, UH, IN TERMS OF SPENDING WHERE WE ARE WITH RESPECT TO WHERE WE ARE FOR THE YEAR, THAT THOUGH IS NOT UNEXPECTED BECAUSE AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, MOST OF OUR EXPENDITURES ARE GONNA HAPPEN IN THE VERY BUSY SUMMER MONTHS. SO IF WE WERE, YOU KNOW, CLOSE TO THAT 41% OF OUR BUDGET EXPENDED THROUGH 41% OF THE YEAR COMPLETED, I'D BE A LITTLE CONCERNED BECAUSE SUMMERS ARE EXPENSIVE. BUT BEING ABOUT 5% BELOW WHERE, UM, WE ARE FOR THE, FOR THE YEAR, UH, THAT'S WHERE REALLY WHERE WE WANT TO BE. UM, AND REALLY THERE'S NOT A LOT, UH, TO NOTE WITH RESPECT TO OUR, UH, BUDGET, UH, SO FAR. UM, YOU KNOW, THINGS ARE TRENDING THE WAY WE WOULD LIKE THEM TO. OUR REVENUES, UH, ONCE AGAIN THIS YEAR ARE DOING VERY, VERY WELL. UM, AND YOU KNOW, THAT COMES THROUGH OUR CONTRACT CLASSES. THAT COMES THROUGH OUR ENTRY INTO EL DORADO PARK. SOMETHING WE'VE REALLY STARTED TO SEE AN INCREASE IN OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS AS WE'VE COME OUT OF COVID ARE OUR FACILITY RESERVATIONS. AND WE'RE REALLY STARTING TO SEE THAT GET BACK UP TO, AND EVEN A LITTLE BIT BEYOND WHERE WE WERE PRIOR TO COVID. SO ALL OF THE BUREAUS ARE REALLY DOING A GOOD JOB MANAGING THEIR BUDGETS. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, REALLY NOTHING OF NOTE, UH, SO FAR. UM, WHILE WE LOVE THE RAIN, IT'S GREAT FOR KEEPING OUR IRRIGATION COSTS DOWN. IT ALSO THOUGH, HAS A NEGATIVE IN THAT, THAT'S FEWER ROUNDS OF GOLF MM-HMM . THAT CAN BE PLAYED MM-HMM . AND WE MAKE A LOT OF MONEY ON GOLF. AND SO, FORTUNATELY SO FAR THIS YEAR, WE HAVE NOT ACTUALLY HAD A LOT OF RAIN. SO OUR REVENUES IN GOLF ARE DOING REALLY, REALLY WELL. NOW HAVING SAID THAT, IS THERE AN AREA OF CONCERN? I SAID NOT REALLY. WE'RE GONNA KEEP OUR EYES ON THOUGH OUR IRRIGATION BUDGET BECAUSE MOTHER NATURE HAS NOT HELPED US AS MUCH THIS YEAR AS IT DID LAST YEAR. WE WILL VERY LIKELY EXPEND ALL OF OUR, UM, IRRIGATION BUDGET, UH, IN THE CURRENT YEAR. WHEREAS LAST YEAR, BECAUSE OF A LOT OF THE RAIN WE GOT, WE WERE ABLE TO SAVE A [00:25:01] LITTLE BIT OF MONEY, UM, FROM THAT LINE ITEM TO USE IN OTHER AREAS. SO WE'LL KEEP AN EYE ON THAT, STEVE, FOR THE BENEFIT OF, UM, THE COMMITTEE. COULD YOU EXPLAIN? 'CAUSE I, I WAS SURPRISED EARLY ON IN MY TENURE HERE ABOUT WHAT THE CITY, THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT DOES WITH THE PROCEEDS FROM GOLF THAT THEY'RE LIKE, THEY'RE, THEY DON'T REALLY OPEN UP MORE REVENUES FOR US. THEY GO INTO THE GENERAL FUND. IS THAT, SO GENERALLY SPEAKING, REVENUES, AND IT'S NOT JUST GOLF, IT'S ANY REVENUE. IT, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE USED OF THE TENNIS COURTS OR, UM, CONTRACT CLASSES. ANY REVENUE WE EARN BASICALLY GOES INTO THE GENERAL FUND. THE BIG PART OF THE GENERAL FUND. THAT'S THE FUND THAT'S GONNA SUPPORT POLICE, FIRE, UM, PUBLIC WORKS, US LIBRARIES. AND, YOU KNOW, THEY REALLY NEED THAT. EVEN IF THERE'S GROWTH, THEY NEED THAT REVENUE TO HELP BALANCE THE OVERALL GENERAL FUND BUDGET. SO IT'S NOT LIKE YOU GUYS ARE DOING GREAT IN GOLF, TAKE ALL THAT MONEY AND REINVEST IT HERE. YEAH. IT REALLY GOES TO THE BOTTOM LINE OF THE GENERAL FUND AND WE KIND OF HAVE TO GO AND ASK FOR IT. YEP. YOU KNOW, WE GENERATED IT, WE EARNED IT, BUT COULD WE PLEASE USE IT? WE HAVE TO GO IN AND ASK. THANKS STEVE. ARE THEY WILLING TO, GENERALLY SPEAKING, YES. YEAH. AND, AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE VERY LUCKY WITH THE, THE CITY MANAGEMENT TEAM NOW WITH HOW THEY'VE BEEN INVESTING IN PARKS AND PARK AMBASSADORS WAS A GREAT, UH, EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, OTHER AREAS WHERE WE'VE REALLY BEEN ABLE TO INVEST IN, UH, OVER THE YEARS. UM, AND IT'S KIND OF OUTSIDE OF THE PURVIEW OF THE COMMISSION, BUT LIKE OUR ANIMAL, UH, CARE OPERATION ALWAYS NEED MORE. BUT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO STRATEGICALLY INVEST IN CERTAIN AREAS IN THAT, UH, OPERATION. SO, UM, WE'VE BEEN FORTUNATE WITH THE SUPPORT THAT WE GET, UH, BOTH THROUGH CITY MANAGEMENT AND ULTIMATELY THE COUNCIL THAT APPROVES THE BUDGET. I, I DO REMEMBER ONE UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCE WAS WHEN WE MADE THE CASE TO ENHANCE OUR REGIONAL PARK GATE REVENUES. THE INCREASED REVENUE WAS GONNA BE REINVESTED IN ENHANCING THE ENTRANCE AND, AND MAKING SOME LONG OVERDUE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. SO THAT WAS MAYBE UNIQUE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE EXAMPLE DOESN'T HAPPEN TOO OFTEN. OKAY. WE'LL LET YOU KEEP THAT FOR THIS SPECIFIC NEED. BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE REVENUES GO TO THE BOTTOM LINE, THE GENERAL FUND TO HELP BALANCE THE GENERAL FOUNDATION. YEAH. THANKS STEVE CITYWIDE. THANK YOU. SO I FEEL LIKE YOU ANSWERED THE FIRST QUESTION THAT I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU, WHICH HAD TO DO WITH, THERE'S BEEN SO MUCH LESS RAIN THIS SEASON THAN THERE WAS LAST YEAR. SO I WAS GONNA ASK ABOUT, UM, WATER. I THINK THAT THE INTERESTING BALANCE BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, WE SUNNY DAYS MEANS MORE REVENUE. I, I ALSO THINK IT'S INTERESTING THE PAST COUPLE TIMES IT'S RAINED. IT HAS BEEN CLEAR ON THE WEEKENDS. SO THAT ALSO SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD BE THE POSITIVE. RIGHT? SURE. SO RAINS DURING THE WEEK, BUT THEN CLEAR ON THE WEEKENDS. SO WE CAN STILL HAVE TOURNAMENTS AND ALL SORTS OF THINGS. SO THAT'S FOR, FOR THOSE TYPES OF EVENTS. BUT OUR GOLF COURSES MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY ARE PACKED AS WELL. OKAY. AND SO RAIN DOES IMPACT, UM, THE GOLF OPERATIONS, EVEN IF IT'S SUNNY AND DRY ON THE WEEKENDS. MM-HMM . THEY'RE BOOKED SOLID THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THE WEEK AS WELL. HMM. OKAY. FASCINATING. AND IT, ANY OTHER RETIRED PEOPLE. RIGHT. RIGHT. YEAH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. UM, HEARING NONE, UH, WE ARE ON ITEM THREE AND WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER HIGA, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER ROYAL SMITH. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? A. ANY OPPOSED ABSTAIN. THANK YOU. SO WE ARE ABOUT TO MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS A RECOMMENDATION TO DISCUSS THE AGENDA FOR THE PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING COMING UP ON MARCH 20TH OF 25. CAN I HAVE A MOTION? SO MOVED. SECOND. THANK YOU. UH, AND DIRECTOR, DO YOU WANNA ADDRESS THAT? HANG UP? YES. I'M SORRY. DO YOU WANT ME TO STAY FOR TO DISCUSS, UH, YEAH. 'CAUSE S IS IN HERE. OKAY. UM, I'M SORRY. YEAH, SO I DO WANNA POINT OUT THAT THE, THE DRAFT, I'LL CALL IT THE DRAFT AGENDA FOR NEXT WEEK, UM, DOES HAVE ONE MINOR EDIT BECAUSE WE LEARNED THAT OUR EMPLOYEE THE MONTH WHO WAS SELECTED, UM, WILL NOT BE HERE, WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE NEXT THURSDAY, NOR, UM, TO THE SUPERVISORY CHAMPIONS WHO WOULD WANNA SPEAK ON THAT INDIVIDUAL'S BEHALF. SO WE WILL KIND OF HAVE A DOUBLE, UM, EMPLOYEE RECOGNITION IN THE APRIL. IN APRIL. IN APRIL. OKAY. SO THAT WOULD BE ONE CHANGE. THANK YOU. BUT WE DO, JUST TO CALL IT TO YOUR ATTENTION, WE HAVE, UH, PRESENTATIONS FROM [00:30:01] OFFICE OF ETHICS, THERE'LL BE AN UPDATE. AND THEN ALSO, UM, I KNOW SOME OF YOU HAD THIS ALREADY, BUT REVIEW OF BROWN ACT AND THE ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER. OKAY. AND DO YOU ANTICIPATE THERE'LL BE, UM, TIME CONSUMING? NO, I DON'T THINK SO. I THINK THEY'LL BE PRETTY SUCCINCT. THEY USUALLY HAVE A POWERPOINT TO KIND OF LEAD YOU THROUGH THAT. AND THIS IS REALLY IN THE SPIRIT OF SORT OF HAVING A RETREAT MM-HMM . WHERE WE'D HAVE ALL SEVEN OF YOU COME TOGETHER AND GO THROUGH A LOT OF THINGS. WE'RE KIND OF BRINGING POINTS TARGETING IN THE COMMISSION MEETING. THANK YOU. SOUNDS GOOD. AND THEN WE HAVE THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING AND THE FEE WAIVERS THAT WE'VE JUST DISCUSSED. AND, UH, WE HAVE A RIGHT OF ENTRY PERMIT, WHICH IS THE LITTLE FREE LIBRARY AT CRAFTSMAN VILLAGE. MM-HMM . SOUNDS GOOD. THAT'S THE EAGLE SCOUT OR YEAH. BOY SCOUT PROJECT THAT'S, I'VE ACTUALLY USED THOSE. THEY MADE ONE FOR A FUNDRAISER FOR OUR LIBRARY FOUNDATION AND IT SOLD AT A LIVE AUCTION FOR $500. ONE OF THE EAGLE SCOUTS. UH, LITTLE FREE LIBRARIES. UM, AND THEN WE HAVE, UH, JOINT USE AGREEMENT BETWEEN LWSD. IS THAT GONNA BE DISCUSSED? IS THAT YOU? YES, STEVE. I CAN DISCUSS THAT STEVE WAS GOING TO AT A HIGHER. YEAH. YEAH. JUST TO PROVIDE KIND OF A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW. SO WE JUST HAD AN AD HOC COMMITTEE MEETING FOR JOINT USE WHERE WE WENT OVER AT KIND OF A 30,000 FOOT LEVEL. UM, WHAT KINDA WHERE WE'VE BEEN WITH, UH, JOINT USE IN RELATIONSHIP WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND WHERE WE'RE GOING. I HAD JUST A COUPLE OF SLIDES OR SHELY HAD A COUPLE OF SLIDES FROM THE LAST ONE. IF YOU WANT ME JUST TO GO RIGHT, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. SURE. SO LET ME, MAY I ASK WHO WAS AT THAT MEETING FROM THIS? THAT WAS COMMISSIONERS LIVINGSTON AND ALLEN. ALLEN. AND THEN, UH, WHO FROM THE LWSD? NOT FOR THAT. UH, MEETING COMMITTEE. NOT FOR THAT MEETING. OKAY. SO, UM, OKAY. JUST KIND OF A HIGH LEVEL. SO, UH, EDUCATION CODE IN CALIFORNIA ENABLES ESSENTIALLY THESE RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND MUNICIPAL AGENCIES FOR SHARED USE OF, UM, FACILITIES GROUNDS, UH, IN ORDER TO CONDUCT PROGRAMS FOR COMMUNITY RECREATION, UM, AND TO COOPERATE IN PROVIDING COMMUNITY PROGRAMS AND FACILITIES. AND THAT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE WE REALLY DO HAVE SHARED OBJECTIVES, UH, TO A CERTAIN DEGREE BETWEEN PARKS, RECREATION AND MARINE AND THE SCHOOL, UH, SCHOOL DISTRICT. WE ALSO HAVE SHARED CUSTOMER BASE STUDENTS IN THE SCHOOLS ARE ALSO THE KIDS WHO ARE COMING IN THROUGH OUR PROGRAMS OR THROUGH KIND OF THIRD PARTY PROGRAMS LIKE YOUTH SPORTS ORGANIZATIONS THAT MAY USE, UH, OUR FACILITIES. SO THERE IS A SHARED, UH, CUSTOMER BASE. UM, AND REALLY THE, THE BE THE AGREEMENT WOULD BENEFIT, UH, THE COMMUNITY BY ENSURING THAT LACK OF CERTAIN FACILITIES DON'T LIMIT OPPORTUNITIES FOR OUR COMMUNITY. PARKS, REC AND MARINE. WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF GYMS. UH, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT HAVE THREE GYMS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, BUT WE PROBABLY NEED MORE SCHOOL DISTRICT. JUST ABOUT EVERY, UH, SCHOOL HAS A GYMNASIUM. AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAD TO DO IT ON OUR OWN, WE PROBABLY COULDN'T, UM, YOU KNOW, MEET THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY FOR GYMS. BUT NOW THAT WE CAN WORK WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND SHARE FACILITIES, THAT OPENS UP A WHOLE NEW, UH, DOOR FOR, UH, USE OF FACILITIES. SO A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY ABOUT THE, THE RELATIONSHIP. WE'VE HAD A, A JOINT USE AGREEMENT WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR YEARS AND YEARS. THE MOST RECENT ONE WAS ENTERED, UH, BACK IN 1996. AND IT WAS FOR ABOUT 10 YEARS TO 2006. AND IT'S ESSENTIALLY BEEN PLACED IN A HOLDOVER STATUS, UM, SINCE THAT TIME. UM, THE MASTER JOINT USE AGREEMENT PRIOR, YOU KNOW, PROVIDED THE STRUCTURE FOR PERMITTED USE, NOT NECESSARILY SPECIALTY AGREEMENTS. AND SO, UH, I'LL GET TO THOSE SPECIALTY AGREEMENTS IN A SECOND. BUT THE MASTER USE IS REALLY JUST PERMITTED USES OF OUR FACILITIES OR THEIR FACILITIES, FIELDS, GYMS, OPEN SPACES. SCHOOL COMES TO US AND SAYS, WE WANT TO USE THE SOCCER FIELD ON THURSDAY. FINE. THE MASTER USE COVERS HOW THAT WORKS. OR WE SAY, WE WANT TO USE THE GYMNASIUM FOR ADULT SPORTS. WE WORK THROUGH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. THEY LET US USE IT. THOSE ARE PERMITTED USES. BUT THEN THERE WAS SOME SPECIALTY STANDALONE JOINT USES THAT WERE [00:35:01] NOT REALLY THE MASTER USE AGREEMENT. THEY WERE STANDALONE. AND THAT'S BECAUSE THERE WERE SPECIAL RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THE CITY EXAMPLE MIGHT BE, UH, NAPLES ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, UH, THERE IN NAPLES HAS TWO TENNIS COURTS. THESE WERE BUILT BACK IN THE 1960S SCHOOL PROPERTY. THE CITY PAID FOR THOSE, UH, TENNIS COURTS. AND SO THAT KIND OF CREATED THIS LONG TERM RELATIONSHIP THAT REALLY ISN'T JUST A PERMITTED USE THAT A MASTER USE AGREEMENT WOULD SPEAK TO. IT WAS REALLY SPECIFIC. THE CITY WILL PAY FOR X FOR THE CONSTRUCTION AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WILL GET TO BENEFIT FROM IT DURING SCHOOL HOURS, BUT THE GATES WILL REMAIN OPEN AFTER HOURS AND ON THE WEEKEND FOR THE COMMUNITY TO USE. THAT WAS A SPECIAL KIND OF FINANCIAL RELATIONSHIP WHERE WE PAID FOR THOSE TENNIS COURTS ON SCHOOL PROPERTY. UH, ANOTHER MIGHT BE THE CHAVEZ ELEMENTARY GYMNASIUM WHERE IN FIELD WHERE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT BUILT A FACILITY, BUT IT WAS ON PARKS LAND. AND SO THAT WAS A SPECIAL FINANCIAL RELATIONSHIP. THOSE WERE ALL STANDALONE INDIVIDUAL, UH, AGREEMENTS. SO THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR NAPLES ELEMENTARY. THERE WAS A SCHOOL DISTRICT, UH, AND CITY RELATIONSHIP OR AGREEMENT FOR CHAVEZ ELEMENTARY. ALL OF THOSE STANDALONE ONES, THOSE SPECIAL ONES ARE NOW GONNA JUST BE ADDED TO THE MASTER JOINT USE AGREEMENT. AND THEY'RE JUST GONNA BE EXHIBITS, UM, TO THAT. SO NO LONGER ARE WE GONNA HAVE TO MANAGE 13, 14, 15 DIFFERENT AGREEMENTS. OKAY. THEY'RE ALL GONNA BE COVERED UNDER THIS MASTER, THIS NEW MASTER JOINT USE AGREEMENT. UM, SORRY, QUICK QUESTION. SO, UM, JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, SO FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN A-L-B-S-D GOLF TEAM GOES AND PRACTICES AT ONE OF THE CITY GOLF COURSES, THAT'S A SEPARATE, SO GOLF IS UNIQUE AND I CAN'T REMEMBER IF THERE'S SOMETHING NO. OKAY, HERE WE GO. DID NOT, OH, THERE'S A SUB BULLET FOR THAT THIRD BULLET. RIGHT. SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? DID THAT INCLUDE TIDELANDS FACILITIES, GOLF COURSES AND TENNIS CENTERS? SO WE HAVE THIRD PARTY AGREEMENTS TO MANAGE THOSE OPERATIONS FOR US. BLAIR FIELD, THE LEASES WITH THE UNIVERSITY, RIGHT. UH, TENNIS FACILITIES IS RUN BY A THIRD PARTY OPERATOR. THEY HANDLE THE SCHEDULING. OKAY. SO WE DON'T COME IN AND SCHEDULE THOSE LOCATIONS. GOLF COURSES, AMERICAN GOLF SCHEDULES, GOT IT. ALL OF THAT, AND THEY RUN IT. SO WE CAN'T COME IN AND SAY, NO, NO, NO, NO. YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA BLOW EVERYTHING UP AND YOU GOTTA MAKE SURE WILSON HIGH SCHOOL GETS A 10 TO 12. RIGHT. OKAY. ON SATURDAY. SO THERE ARE A FEW LOCATIONS THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE MASTER USE. GOT IT. TENNIS COURTS OR TENNIS CENTERS. GOLF COURSES ARE THE, ARE THE EXAMPLES BECAUSE THEY'RE MANAGED BY A THIRD PARTY FOR US. OKAY. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. UM, SO JUST A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY, UH, A LITTLE BIT MORE HISTORY UNDER THE CURRENT AGREEMENT THAT IS IN HOLDOVER, WE DON'T CHARGE EACH OTHER FOR THE USE OF THE FACILITIES. SO IF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT CAME AND MILLIKEN HIGH SCHOOL CAME AND SAID, WE WANT TO USE YOUR SOCCER FIELD HERE AT EL DORADO PARK, WE WOULD JUST SAY, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. LET'S MAKE SURE WE GET YOU A PERMIT. ALWAYS HAVE TO HAVE A PERMIT. UM, BUT WE'RE JUST NOT GONNA CHARGE YOU. IF WE WANTED A GYMNASIUM, SAME THING, WE WOULD PERMIT IT THROUGH THEIR CENTRAL RESERVATIONS OFFICE. I'M SURE THEY DON'T, THEY SAID QUID PROTOCOL AND YOU KNOW, THEY RESERVE IT FOR US. WE'D GET THE PERMIT, BUT IT'D BE ZERO COST TO US. UM, PRIORITY USAGE OF FACILITIES FOR OUR FACILITIES. WE WOULD GET KIND OF FIRST RIGHT. TO OUR FACILITIES, WHICH MAKES SENSE THERE. OURS, WE WOULD DO OUR PROGRAMMING IN THERE, BUT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WOULD GET KIND OF SECOND PRIORITY. AND THEN THIRD PRIORITY, IT, IT JUST SAYS THIRD PARTIES. BUT THOSE MIGHT BE COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS. THOSE MIGHT BE YOUTH SPORTS ORGANIZATIONS. UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, VICE VERSA FOR THE L-B-U-S-D FACILITIES, OF COURSE THEY GET FIRST, UH, KIND OF RIGHT OF REFUSAL FOR THEIR FACILITIES, BUT THEN WE WOULD GET SECOND AND THEN THIRD PARTIES, UH, OR KIND OF THIRD. NOW CHALLENGES OVER THE YEARS IS JUST KIND OF THE INEQUITABLE AVAILABILITY OF FACILITIES. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, NEEDED FACILITIES LIKE TURF SOCCER FIELDS, WHICH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS INVESTED TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN, INCLUDING NOT ONLY AT THE HIGH SCHOOLS, BUT A GOOD NUMBER OF THEIR MIDDLE SCHOOLS NOW HAVE 'EM. WELL, THEY TOOK THOSE OFF THE BOARD. THEY SAID, CITY, YOU CAN'T RESERVE THOSE MM-HMM . UM, WE'RE NOT GOING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT USING 'EM, BUT YOU CAN'T USE 'EM. RIGHT. AND SO IN THIS NEW AGREEMENT, [00:40:01] WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE, UH, CHALLENGES, LAST MINUTE CANCELLATIONS OF, UH, CITY USAGE OF, UH, L-B-U-S-D FACILITIES. SO THERE'S KIND OF A DISCONNECT IN THE OLD AGREEMENT WITH HOW WE WOULD RESERVE FACILITIES THROUGH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. WE WOULD GO THROUGH THEIR, AND I'M JUST GONNA CALL IT THEIR CENTRAL PERMITTING RESERVATIONS OFFICE. AND WE'D SAY, WE WANT TO USE THE STANFORD MIDDLE SCHOOL GYMNASIUM FOR OUR ADULT SPORTS ON THURSDAY AND FRIDAY NIGHT. AND DOWNTOWN, THEY'D SAY, OH, OR WHEREVER THEIR FACILITY IS. THEY'D SAY, OKAY, HERE'S YOUR PERMIT FOR THURSDAY, FRIDAY NIGHT. AND THEN WE'D FIND OUT THURSDAY THAT THE PRINCIPAL IS LIKE, OH, NO, NO, YOU CAN'T DO THAT. I HAVE A CONCERT TONIGHT. AND WE GET CANCELED AT THE LAST MINUTE. YEAH. AND LIKE, OH NO, WHAT DO WE DO THIS, YOU KNOW, SAME DAY. SO WE'LL GET TO IT IN A SECOND. BUT THE NEW PROPOSED AGREEMENT KIND OF TAKES INTO A ACCOUNT SOME OF THESE DISCONNECTS AND HOW DO WE ADDRESS THOSE GOING FORWARD SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE THESE LAST MINUTE CANCELLATIONS. UM, AND THEN LASTLY, UH, IT, YOU KNOW, WILL ALSO HELP ADDRESS ISSUES AND, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE MIGHT HAVE SCHOOLS COME AND USE OUR FACILITIES AND NOT TELL US. SO THEY DON'T GET 'EM PERMITTED. WE DON'T HAVE 'EM ON OUR BOOKS. WE DON'T KNOW THEY'RE COMING. WE MAY HAVE SOMETHING GOING ON AT THAT, UH, LOCATION. UM, SO IT JUST KIND OF CREATED SOME SCHEDULING AND COORDINATION ISSUES. UM, AND SO AGAIN, THE PROPOSED, UH, AGREEMENT REALLY KIND OF TRIES TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE, UH, SOME OF THOSE ISSUES. SO THAT, IF I CAN JUST ADD A COMMENT. SO THE BIGGEST INEQUITY IS THAT UNDER CHALLENGES WAS THE POINT WHERE THEY HAD OUR ENTIRE MENU, EVERYTHING WE HAD, AND THE MENU OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR US WAS LIKE HERE. AND STEVE HIGHLIGHTED PROBABLY THE MOST OBVIOUS ONE. THAT'S THEIR SOCCER. THERE'S SYNTHETIC SPORTS FIELDS. THEY'RE JUST SITTING THERE, PRISTINE, ALL LOCKED UP, AND ALL THEIR TEAMS ARE OVER HERE HEAVILY USING AND SCHEDULING HOURS. THAT SEEMS SO UNFAIR. SO THAT WAS PROBABLY OUR HEAVIEST LIFT, WAS TO GET A COMPREHENSIVE LIST. 'CAUSE IT SHOULD BE MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL AS A JOINT USE AGREEMENT. SO THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE BIGGER ACCOMPLISHMENTS. WHY, WHY, WHY WERE THEY NOT USING THEIR OWN FIELDS? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. THAT'S RIDICULOUS. WE NEVER GOT AN ANSWER FOR THAT. WE WERE JUST TOLD THERE IS, YOU KNOW, FOR LIKE THE SOCCER FIELDS AS THE EXAMPLE, THERE IS A, THEY CALLED IT , UM, ON USAGE OF THOSE FIELDS. BUT NOBODY WAS USING, I MEAN, OF COURSE AT THE HIGH SCHOOLS, BECAUSE THEY HAVE SO MANY TEAMS YOU YEAH. LACROSSE, YOU KNOW, BOYS AND GIRLS SOCCER, YOU KNOW, BOYS AND GIRLS, THREE LEVELS, FRESHMAN JV YEAH. THERE ALWAYS GONNA BE USING THOSE FIELDS. BUT THERE ARE OTHER SCHOOL DISTRICT FIELDS AVAILABLE, PROBABLY EQUIDISTANT FROM, YOU KNOW, THE HIGH SCHOOL THAT WANTS TO COME AND USE OUR FIELDS. THERE MIGHT BE MIDDLE SCHOOLS THAT HAVE THESE FIELDS AVAILABLE THAT ARE BEING, THAT AREN'T BEING USED. SO WE JUST KIND OF WANTED TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE. GOOD JOB, SOME OF THOSE THINGS. SO BACKGROUND ON KIND OF THE PROPOSED NOW. SO NOW WE'RE UP TO, OH MY, OH MY GOSH, IT STARTED SEVEN YEARS AGO. IT STARTED SEVEN YEARS AGO. AND NO, THAT IS NOT A TYPO. UM, IT HAS BEEN A LONG PROCESS. NOW THERE'S BEEN A NUMBER OF STARTS AND STOPS ALONG THE WAY. THAT WAS BEFORE TILL MAKER STARTED, RIGHT? UH, CHRIS WAS STILL OKAY. YEAH. YEP. BECAUSE IT WAS DURING, HE'S 2020 DURING COVID WHEN I GOT TO MEET HER VIRTUALLY. AND THEN I GOT TO MEET HER MASK IN HER OFFICE. BUT THAT'S WHERE SHE CAME ACROSS AS BEING VERY SUPPORTIVE OF MAKING IT A, A BETTER MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL AGREEMENT. BUT YEAH, COVID WAS A SHUTDOWN FOR A LOT OF YEARS. COVID SHUT DOWN FOR A VERY LONG TIME. YEAH. WE HAD A MEETING, I, I RECALL IT BECAUSE IT WAS KIND OF AN UNCOMFORTABLE MEETING WHERE THE RESERVATIONS TEAM FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THE FACILITIES MANAGEMENT TEAM WERE ALL AROUND THE TABLE WITH US. AND THEY WEREN'T ON THE SAME PAGE. THEY'RE LIKE, OH, NO, NO, WE WANT TO DO THIS. AND RESIDENT, NO, NO, NO, YOU CAN'T DO THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE GONNA STOP THE MEETING AND WE'RE GONNA JUST TAKE A BREAK. WE'RE GONNA COME BACK IN A COUPLE MONTHS AND WE'LL READ, YOU KNOW, WE'LL READDRESS. WOW. AND WHAT HAPPENED IN A COUPLE MONTHS, COVID. AND, YOU KNOW, WE LOST A LOT OF TIME, UH, AS A RESULT OF THAT. AND THEIR LEADERSHIP TEAM CHANGED A LOT TOO. AND OH, IT'S A TAKE A STEP RESTART. WELL, NO, EVEN OURS DID, UH, IN THE TIME SINCE WE'VE STARTED, WE'VE HAD TWO DIRECTORS AND TWO INTERIM DIRECTORS. UM, AND THEY'RE YEAH. BUT YOU AND GLADYS HAVE [00:45:01] STAYED THE SAME. THAT'S RIGHT. WE HAVE. THERE'S, THERE'S BEEN, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF STABILITY HERE. THAT'S OKAY. SO JUST AT A HIGH LEVEL, JUST SOME OF THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES, UH, FOR THE PROPOSED MASTER JOINT USE AGREEMENT. SO WE ARE NOW GOING TO BE CHARGING EACH OTHER FOR USE OF THE FACILITIES. AND I WILL ADMIT FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, I HATED THIS. HMM. UH, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT INSISTED THAT THIS HAPPENED. BUT, UM, I REALLY DIDN'T LIKE IT JUST BECAUSE OF THE WORKLOAD, UH, TO HAVE TO BILL, YOU KNOW, EACH OTHER ON A REGULAR BASIS. AND NOW WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH BUDGETS TO PAY FOR THESE THINGS. I DON'T LIKE IT. UM, OVER TIME WHEN I KIND OF REALIZED JUST HOW MUCH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT USES VERSUS HOW MUCH OR HOW LITTLE WE USE, YOU COULD LOOK AT IT THROUGH A FINANCIAL LENS AND SAY, OH, YOU KNOW WHAT? THE CITY MIGHT BENEFIT A LITTLE BIT FROM THIS. AND WE COULD USE SOME OF THAT TO INVEST, REINVEST IF WE'RE ABLE TO IN THE FIELDS AND FACILITIES THAT WE ARE JOINTLY USING. SO IT, IT CAN BE A GOOD THING. UM, BUT THAT IS ONE OF THE MORE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THAT WE ARE GONNA START CHARGING EACH OTHER FOR, UH, THE USE OF THE FACILITIES. AND IT'S GONNA BE BASED ON WHATEVER THE APPROVED FEE SCHEDULE IS, OUR FEE SCHEDULE FOR, YOU KNOW, THAT THE COMMISSION, UH, APPROVES. UM, AND THEN THEIR FEE SCHEDULE FOR WHAT, UH, THE BOARD, UM, OF EDUCATION WOULD, WOULD APPROVE. UH, AND IT NOT ONLY INCLUDES THE PERMITTED, YOU KNOW, THE FIELD OR THE FACILITY USE ALSO SOME SOFT COSTS SUCH AS STAFFING, PROBABLY MORE SO ON THEIR END BECAUSE THE TYPES OF USES THAT THEY USE OF OURS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME IN AND OPEN A DOOR OR TURN ON THE LIGHTS. UH, THEY'RE TYPICALLY FIELDS AND YOU CAN JUST KIND OF SHOW UP. BUT FOR, FOR OUR USES, WE USE A LOT OF GYMNASIUMS FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. THEY GOTTA HAVE SOMEBODY THERE TO OPEN THE DOORS FOR US, TURN ON THE LIGHTS, CLOSE THE DOORS AT THE END OF THE NIGHT. UM, SO THAT MAKES SENSE. UM, BUT THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE. AND THEN JUST A COUPLE OF OTHER CHANGES. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS EARLIER. UM, PERMITTED USE IS REALLY WHAT THE TRADITIONAL, UM, JOINT USE, UH, COVERS. IT'S JUST, I WANNA USE THAT FIELD, I WANNA USE THAT GYM, LET US USE IT. AND THEN THE OTHERS ARE THE EXHIBITS. THOSE WERE THE EXAMPLES I GAVE WHERE THEY'RE THE LONGSTANDING FINANCIAL, UM, RELATIONSHIPS. ALRIGHT. AND THIS IS THE LAST LINE I PROMISE. UH, MOST IMPORTANT HERE IS THE USE OF THE FACILITIES. THERE'S GONNA BE A NEW KIND OF COMMITTEE, UM, WITH MEMBERS FROM BOTH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THE CITY WHERE WE ARE BRINGING SCHEDULES, UH, TO THIS COMMITTEE FOR APPROVAL. WE ARE HAMMERING OUT ISSUES IF THERE ARE CANCELLATION ISSUES. UM, WE ARE HANDLING THESE THINGS THROUGH THIS FACILITIES MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE. WE DID NOT HAVE THAT IN THE OLD, UH, AGREEMENT. AND I THINK A LOT OF THE ISSUES WERE REALLY, BECAUSE THERE WAS NO PLACE TO GO REALLY TO UNDERSTOOD YEAH. TO, HEY, WE'RE HAVING ISSUES WITH THIS. YOU GUYS ARE CANCELING AT THE LAST MINUTE OR CITY, YOU'RE NOT DOING THIS AND WE REALLY NEED IT NOW. WE HAVE THIS STRUCTURE IN PLACE THAT CAN KIND OF PROVIDE A, UM, OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE THESE CONCERNS TO, TO, AND BLESS THE SCHEDULE, UM, FOR THE TO RESPECTIVE PARTIES. UM, SO REALLY THINK THAT THIS IS GONNA HELP ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'VE BOTH PARTIES HAVE HAD OVER THE YEARS. THE TERM OF THE NEW PROPOSED JOINT USE WILL BE FIVE YEARS WITH TWO ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR, UH, PERIODS, WHICH IS, WHICH IS FINE. IF AT THE END OF FIVE YEARS WE DECIDE MUTUALLY BOTH PARTIES THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SOME CHANGES, WE CAN DO IT AND WE'LL JUST START OVER. PRIORITY USAGE DOES NOT CHANGE. PARKS AND RECOGNITION WILL BE ASKED TO SUPPORT AND RECOMMENDED THE COUNCIL, UM, APPROVAL COUNCIL WILL ULTIMATELY HAVE, UH, THE FINAL VOTE. SO, UM, COMPLETE. I'M DONE. YEAH. , I'M SORRY. . UH, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? THANK YOU. SO, UM, ONE OF MY QUESTIONS WAS ANSWERED BECAUSE I WAS WONDERING ABOUT THE PRIORITY USAGE BECAUSE IF IT'S, IF THERE'S NO DISCOUNT BEING OFFERED EITHER WAY, MAKING SURE THAT LVSD STILL HAS THE PRIORITY USAGE OF OUR CITY FACILITIES MM-HMM . VERSUS THIRD PARTIES, I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT I UNDERSTAND WHY I WAS NOT ALLOWED TO SIT ON THIS SUBCOMMITTEE BECAUSE I HAVE, I FEEL VERY CONFLICTED ABOUT MY, MY TWO, MY, UH, TWO PAD. YEAH. YES. UM, SO THEN, UH, QUESTION, UH, THESE ARE FEES THAT NEED TO BE PAID THAT PREVIOUSLY DID NOT NEED TO BE PAID [00:50:01] BY THE, BY LBSD OR BY US RIGHT, RIGHT. FOR THEIR FACILITIES. SO WOULD THESE, UM, WHERE DOES THIS, IS IT, IS THE SCHOOL DISTRICT GOING TO BE PAYING THESE FEES OR IS IT UP TO THE INDIVIDUAL SCHOOLS AND TEAMS? YOU KNOW, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. AND OUR BILLING WOULD REALLY GO TO THAT, PROBABLY THAT RESERVATIONS TEAM, BUT IT'S REALLY UP TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO DECIDE HOW THEY WOULD HANDLE IT. MM-HMM . I CAN SPEAK TO HOW THE CITY WILL HANDLE IT, AND THAT WILL ALL BE MANAGED THROUGH GLADYS'S, UH, OPERATION AND OUR ACTIVE NET, UH, PERMITTING TOOL. MM-HMM . UM, SO WE KIND OF KNOW HOW WE'RE GONNA HANDLE IT. I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE HOW THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, UH, IS GONNA HANDLE IT IF THAT, IF THEY PUSH THAT DOWN TO THE INDIVIDUAL SCHOOLS OR IF THERE'S GONNA BE A CENTRAL KIND OF BUDGET SOMEWHERE MM-HMM . UM, THAT'S REALLY UP TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO DECIDE NOT FOR US. SO WOULD THAT POTENTIALLY CAUSE LIKE THE PARKS AND REC CLASSES, WOULD THOSE FEES GO UP THEN IF, IF NOW, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO PAY TO, TO USE THIS GYM WHERE PREVIOUSLY WE DIDN'T HAVE TO PAY? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. YEAH, PROBABLY NOT. UM, OR IF IT IS, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE MINIMAL, UH, AT BEST LIKE A QUARTER, UM, BECAUSE WE'RE REALLY NOT TALKING A TON OF USAGE. MM-HMM. MM-HMM . OR AT LEAST ON THE CITY SIDE, YOU KNOW, IT'S MOSTLY FOR OUR SPORTS TEAMS FOR ADULTS. RIGHT. BASKETBALL, VOLLEYBALL. UM, BUT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF USAGE, SO I'M NOT GONNA SAY NO, BUT I I, IF IT IS, IT WOULD BE PRETTY IN ALL. OKAY. SO MY ONLY QUESTION IS HOW, LIKE, DO WE THINK WE'RE GONNA GET A LOT OF PUBLIC COMMENT? LIKE, DO WE THINK THERE'S LIKE A HOT BED OF ACTIVITY ON I DIDN'T THINK SO. I, YEAH, I CAN'T SAY FOR SURE, BUT I CAN'T, I DON'T, I CAN'T IMAGINE THIS IS A BIG COMMUNITY CONCERN. OKAY. MM-HMM . JUST ALL OF OUR INTERNAL STUFF THROUGH THE YEARS. YEAH. OKAY. I I, I COULD SAY MAYBE IF LIKE THE PRINCIPAL AT CHAVEZ ELEMENTARY WANTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT ONGOING RELATION, THE SPECIAL AGREEMENT, THE SPECIAL AGREEMENT IS A CHANGE. YEAH. UM, THEN BECAUSE THEY USE THAT FIELD, DON'T THEY? YEAH. YEAH. AND THEN, UM, WE'VE GOT A NEW ONE AND THAT'S, UH, JORDAN HIGH SCHOOL USING THE H BASEBALL FIELD. MM-HMM . THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER SIMILAR ONE. THAT'S, SO I WILL SAY FOR THE CHAVEZ ONE, I HAVE HEARD FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY, UM, AND I THINK I SHARED THIS WITH YOU AT THE TIME, THAT PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED THAT PEOPLE JUST TAKE THEIR DOGS THERE AND THEY LET THEM DO WHAT THEY DO. I MET WITH THE PRINCIPAL TWICE AND TALKED ABOUT ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE AND THEY ACTUALLY HAVE VOLUNTEER PARENTS THAT COME AND THEY'RE CALLED, THEY HAVE A TITLE FOR THEIR GROUP. CLEAN APPROVED AN OPERATIONAL, IT SHOULD NOT NECESSARILY ONE COVERED BY. OKAY. I HAVE QUESTION. NOPE, I HAVE A QUESTION. UM, WHO DRAFTS THIS JOINT USE AGREEMENT? SO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT DRAFTED, UH, THE JOINT USE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, OUR JOB IS THEN TO GO THROUGH AND MAKE SURE THAT OUR POSITIONS ARE ACCURATELY, UH, REFLECTED IN IT. AND WOULD THAT BE, AND WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT. THAT WOULD BE YOU NOT THE LEGAL TEAM? UH, NO, NO, NO. WE WORK VERY CLOSELY. IN FACT, OUR ATTORNEYS HAVE THE, THE, UH, AGREEMENT RIGHT NOW AND THEY'RE REVIEWING IT. OH, SO THIS AGREEMENT THAT YOU'VE JUST DISCUSSED HAS ALREADY BEEN PRODUCED, UH, A DRAFT DOES I UNDERSTAND. YEP. OKAY. UM, AND THEN MY, JUST TO SORT OF GO INTO WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, WHICH SURE IS, UM, HOW, WHO DETERMINES THE MONEY? NOT NECESSARILY WHO DETERMINES HAS TO, WHO HAS TO PAY IT INDIVIDUALLY OR WHATEVER, BUT, YOU KNOW, IS, OH, WE THINK IT'S GONNA BE $15 FOR THIS. NO, IT SHOULD BE $25 OR WHATEVER IN OUR FEE SCHEDULE. WE HAVE FEES SPECIFICALLY FOR THE USE OF OUR FACILITIES BE ON A BASEBALL FIELD OR A SOFTBALL FIELD OR A, LIKE THE THIRD PARTIES. UM, YES. SO IF ANYBODY WANTS TO, UH, RE RESERVE THE SOCCER FIELD OUT HERE, WE HAVE A FEE THAT THE COMMISSION HAS APPROVED, UM, FOR USE OF THAT FIELD. SO THOSE ARE ALREADY DETERMINED, UM, THROUGH OUR FEE SCHEDULE, WHICH THE COMMISSION HAS APPROVED AND IT HAVE THE, HAS LWSD GOT A SIMILAR FEE SCHEDULE. THEY DO. YEP. SO, AND IT DOESN'T SEEM OUT OF WHACK AND OKAY. IS A LITTLE QUID PRO QUO, IF YOU WILL, WHATEVER. OKAY. UM, OKAY. THANK YOU STEVE. THAT WAS REALLY, THANK YOU. HELPFUL. EXCELLENT REPORT. UH, IS THERE ANY OTHER NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. DID WE HAVE A MOTION ON THIS? OOPS. WE DID. WE DID. OKAY. SO I THANK YOU MARC C THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I WILL, UH, ASK FOR A MOTION. I THINK WE HAD A MOTION FROM, UM, COMMISSIONER HUGA AND SECONDED BY SMITH. SOUNDS RIGHT. YEAH. . SOMETHING LIKE THAT. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OKAY. OPPOSED? OKAY. UM, AND NOW THE LAST, ALMOST LAST BUT NOT LEAST, IS THE RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE THE FILE [00:55:01] AND FILE DIRECTOR'S MONTHLY HIGHLIGHTS REPORT. WE CREATE COMMUNITY AND THE DIRECTOR'S HIGHLIGHTS FROM MARCH OF 2025. WE NEED A, A MOTION PLEASE. SORRY, HOLD ON. UH, ITEM SEVEN. OH, NO, I THINK WE GO BACK TO THE BLUE. OH, RIGHT, RIGHT. BECAUSE THIS IS THE AGENDA FOR NEXT WEEK. OH MY BAD. . OKAY. YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY YOU MIGHT BE RIGHT, RIGHT? WE NEED TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE DRAFT. GO THROUGH THE WHOLE, YEAH, I'M SORRY. DON'T HAVE, JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE OF THE COMPONENTS OF THE PROPOSED AGENDA. YES. YEAH. THANK YOU. THAT WAS WHAT I THOUGHT. OKAY. BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME NEW, THE CONFIGURED A LOT DIFFERENTLY THAN SOME THE PREVIOUS. SO AGAIN, WE NEED A MOTION. SO MOVED. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND, UH, SECOND. THANK YOU. EITHER ONE. OKAY. AND, UH, ANYTHING TO REPORT ON THAT AT THIS TIME. WE'LL BE SURPRISED. THANK YOU. BE VERY GUARANTEED MORE, MOST INFORMATIVE. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OKAY. OPPOSED? GOOD. AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, UH, RECOMMENDATION TO DISCUSS POTENTIAL AGENDA ITEMS FOR FUTURE PARKS OR RECREATION COMMISSION MEETINGS. CAN I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? SECOND. THANK YOU . SO, UH, DIRECTOR, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS IN THIS REGARD? THIS RIGHT NOW? SO I WAS GONNA SUGGEST, SO MAY IS OLDER AMERICANS MONTH MM-HMM . AND WE WERE THINKING, BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT ON SOME OCCASION OR FREQUENCY, HAVING THE MEETING OF THE COMMISSION OUT IN THE COMMUNITY SOMEWHERE MM-HMM . SO WE THOUGHT, BECAUSE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE FOURTH STREET SENIOR CENTER, A LOT THAT WE MAY WANT TO, UH, DISCUSS, UM, AND GET THE SUPPORT OF THE COMMISSION FOR THE MAY MEETING TO HAVE IT AT THE FOURTH STREET SENIOR CENTER IN HONOR OF OLDER AMERICANS MONTH. THAT'S, THAT WAS BE, THAT WOULD BE A POSSIBLE TOPIC. MM-HMM . AND WHO WOULD BRING THAT UP? UM, IT COULD COME FROM THE GOVERNANCE, THIS GOVERNANCE COMMITTEE, JUST IN TERMS OF FORECASTING A CHANGE FROM OUR REGULAR ROUTINE MM-HMM . YEP. AND THEN, AND WE COULD ALSO MAYBE IN THAT SAY WE'D LIKE, I'M, I'M SPEAKING AS A COMMISSIONER, WE'D LIKE TO EVERY THIRD OR FOURTH MEETING TO HAVE STAFF RECOMMEND AN APPROPRIATE, UH, AND ACCESSIBLE, UM, VENUE LOCATION FOR AN OFFSITE. YEAH. SO THAT MIGHT BE ACTUALLY REALLY A COOL THING. SO DO THAT. SOUNDS WONDERFUL. MM-HMM . THANK YOU DIRECTOR. YEAH. DO, UM, EITHER OF YOU WANNA REPORT THIS OR DO YOU WANT ME AS THE OLDER AMERICAN ? SO, SO THE IDEA THEN, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, WOULD BE THAT, THAT THE NEXT MO OR SORRY, NEXT WEEK'S MEETING, INSTEAD OF BEING HERE, AS IT SAYS ON THE AGENDA, INSTEAD OF BEING HERE IN, UH, EL DORADO, IT WOULD BE AT THE FOURTH STREET. MM-HMM . FOR MAY. FOR MAY NOT FOR MAY. FOR MAY FOR MARCH. THAT'S, THAT'S THE PART. SO IT'S LIKE ALMOST LIKE TWO MONTHS AWAY. YEAH. SO IN MARCH WE DISCUSS IT, AND THEN IN APRIL WE WOULD PROBABLY, AND THEN YOU COULD MAYBE ALSO REQUEST A STAFF TO PROPOSE LIKE EVERY QUARTER, EVERY ONCE QUARTER THAT WE HAVE ANOTHER. SO WE KIND OF IN EQUITABLE WAY MAKE THE COMMISSION MORE ACCESSIBLE TO THE COMMUNITY. SO MAY HAVE A NORTH SIDE, WEST SIDE. MM-HMM . DOWNTOWN. DOWNTOWN. YEAH. SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I MEAN, WE COULD EVEN DO ONE EITHER AT BILLIE JEAN OR CHAVEZ TOO. MM-HMM . SURE. BECAUSE YEAH, AUGUST IS NATIONAL PICKLEBALL A MONTH, SO, OH YEAH. WHERE'S PICKLE? WHERE DO WE HAVE PICKLEBALL COURT AT? WE HAVE THE FOREST. WE COULD HAVE IT AT THE CONSERVATION COURTS EDUCATIONAL CENTER. OH, THAT'D BE ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION BUILDING. YEAH. WE DIRECTOR. I ASSUME YOU'RE KIDDING. I, NO, I ALWAYS THINK ABOUT MOMENTS IN JULY IS PARKS AND RECREATION MONTH. WHEN PARKS MAKE LIFE BETTER MONTH. MM-HMM . SO, BUT THAT'S LIKE JUST TWO MONTHS AFTER MAY. BUT, BUT THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO HIGHLIGHT OR LIFT UP THE THINGS THAT WE'RE ALL ABOUT. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AND THE RANCHO COULD BE ANOTHER ONE. 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE OF OUR TREASURES AND IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PLACE. UH, THE WHICH, WHICH RANCHO EITHER ONE. YEAH. WERE THERE ANY ITEMS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP AT LAST MONTH'S MEETING FOR THIS ITEM THAT YOU WOULD YEAH, SO, UM, IF YOU REMEMBER COMMISSIONER ALLEN ASKED STAFF TO, UM, THINK ABOUT, AND THIS IS PART OF THE SHORT OF HAVING A RETREAT, HE HAD MENTIONED THAT EQUITY REPORT, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. IT'S GONNA TAKE A LITTLE WHILE, UM, IN FACT STEVE AND GLADYS, UM, WERE KIND OF LOOKING AT, THAT MIGHT TAKE US THEY THOUGHT MAYBE THREE MONTHS JUST TO START TO PULLING THE DATA TOGETHER. WE HAVE A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION. IT'S JUST BUILDING A REPORT THAT MAKES SENSE. AND THEN I DO HAVE ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION. MM-HMM . FOR AN AGENDA ITEM WOULD BE TO HAVE AN UPDATE ON THE DRAKE CHAVEZ EXPANSION. [01:00:01] MM-HMM . TO ADD THAT TO THE LIST. I CAN BRING IT UP AT THE MEETING TOO IF YOU'D LIKE. OKAY. YEAH. AND THERE MAY BE SOME OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS MAY HAVE SOME OTHER TOPICS. YEAH. BUT I THINK THAT WAS REALLY A REALLY SMART ADDITION TO THE STRUCTURE OF THE AGENDA WAS TO GET INPUT. MM-HMM . UH, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT IS BASED ON WE'RE ALL SHORT OF HAVING A, A RETREAT. THINGS THAT YOU FEEL WOULD BE HELPFUL. AND ONE OF THEM IS HAVING THE MEETINGS OUT IN THE COMMUNITY, SOME OF OUR FACILITIES SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHAT THEY'RE ALL ABOUT. LOVE IT. GREAT. DO YOU WANT US TO HAVE ONE IN THE MARINA? NO, THAT'S NOT OUR PURVIEW. I JUST CAME FROM THE MARINA ADVISORY COM PACKED HOUSE. IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MARINA BOND THAT THE CITY WANTS TO WORK ON. SO I HAVE A LOT OF PASSIONATE BOAT OWNERS AT THAT MEETING. SO YEAH, OTHER THAN THAT, UM, I THINK IN JULY THOUGH, WE ALSO HAVE TO FORMALLY TALK ABOUT THE OFFICE OR LEADERSHIP. IS THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? FOR JULY MEETING? I THINK SO. SO THAT'D BE ANOTHER THING JUST IN THE FORECAST SO EVERYBODY'S AWARE OF IT BECAUSE I KNOW, I'M AWARE THAT SOME OF OUR COMMISSIONERS WITH SUMMER FAMILY VACATION TRAVEL PLANS, JUST SO WE HAVE A QUORUM TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT'S ACCOMPLISHED. GOOD. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH, WE NOW HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE PARTS OF RECREATION COMMISSION ON NON AGENDA ITEMS. EACH SPEAKER IS LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES TO MAKE THEIR COMMENTS UNLESS EXTENDED BY THE CHAIR. UH, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC HERE TODAY? WE, WE HAVE NO, UH, SPEAKER REQUESTS AT THIS TIME, BUT THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 5:35 PM GREAT. THANK YOU EVERYONE. THANK YOU HERE, DR. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.