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AND I THINK WE NEED TO DO ROLL CALL.AND PAT SCOTT WILL BE JOINING TODAY.
AND OUR FIRST AGENDA ITEM IS A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR THE POLICY SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING MONDAY, FEBRUARY 10TH, 2025.
IS THERE A MOTION I MOVE? SECOND.
YEAH, BECAUSE I KNOW WE WANDERED A LITTLE BIT LESS
IT WAS GOOD YOU GUYS SUMMARIZED AND SORRY TO MISS THAT DISCUSSION.
RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE A DISCUSSION ON THE DRAFT 2025 HOMELESS SERVICES ADVISORY COMMITTEE, POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.
IS THERE A MOTION? SO MOVE SECOND.
AND LET'S HAVE OUR, OUR DISCUSSION.
SO I, UM, SENT OUT AND THANK YOU FOR SHARING JENNIFER.
UM, JUST A DRAFT TO GET US STARTED ON OUR 2025 RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND I REVIEWED THE NOTES THAT JULIE TOOK, WHO SHE VERY NICELY CHAIRED THE LAST MEETING.
UM, SO TO KIND OF KICK OFF OUR DISCUSSION, YOU KNOW, I WILL PROBABLY USE ABOUT THE SAME FORMAT, BUT TAKING FEEDBACK ON THAT AS WELL.
AND WE'LL LIKELY JUST HAVE, YOU KNOW, OUR PURPOSE TO START OUT WITH.
SO AS SOON AS WE GET THE, UM, THE UPDATED POINT IN TIME COUNT STATISTICS, WE'LL UPDATE THOSE IN OUR BACKGROUND.
UM, AND THEN WE'LL GO INTO OUR POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS AND ALSO INCLUDE SOME UPDATED NUMBERS OF DIFFERENT DEMOGRAPHICS THAT EXPERIENCE A UNUSUALLY HIGH, UH, REPRESENTATION IN PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS HERE IN LONG BEACH.
UM, SO RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE, I CARRIED OVER SEVERAL FROM LAST YEAR AND THIS IS ALL UP FOR DISCUSSION, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE SOME CONSISTENCY IN RECOMMENDING SIMILAR THINGS EVERY YEAR UNTIL THEY'RE IMPLEMENTED.
SO, RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE IS THE HOMELESS SERVICES ADVISORY COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPT A GOAL OF SHELTERING 40% OF LONG BEACH'S HOMELESS POPULATION BY 2026 AND 60% BY 2030.
SO WHAT ARE PEOPLE'S THOUGHTS ON CARRYING OVER THAT RECOMMENDATION TO THIS? YES, I WOULD GO BACK IN MORE BASIC.
WE DON'T HAVE A TRACK A TRACKING SYSTEM THAT TELLS US WHAT NUMBER OF SHELTER BEDS WE HAVE AT ANY TIME.
SO THIS YEAR WE'RE ADDING SOME HERE AND WE'RE TAKING AWAY VAGABOND.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN PROPOSE A PERCENTAGE.
BUT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE TRANSPARENCY IN THE SHELTER BIDS THAT THIS HAS AND WHAT, WHAT THAT INCREASE HAS OCCURRED AND THERE HAVE BEEN INCREASES.
IT'S NOT TO DISPARAGE OR SAY ANYTHING NEGATIVE, IT'S JUST VERY CONFUSING.
'CAUSE YOU CANNOT, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T, I DON'T KNOW, AND I WOULD, I'VE SAID THIS SEVERAL OTHER TIMES, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO KNOW THE DATA AND TRACK THIS TO KNOW IF THERE'S BEEN ANY PROGRESS.
THE PERCENTAGES IS A ONE TIME NUMBER, RIGHT? IT'S A ONE TIME COUNT.
THE POINT, POINT IN TIME UHHUH.
BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, THE SHELTER BEDS IS A COUNT WE CAN TRACK EVERY MONTH OR EVERY QUARTER.
AND WE WANT THE NUMBER OF SHELTER BEDS TO INCREASE WHATEVER THE PERCENTAGE IS.
WE, WE, WHETHER WE ASK FOR A TARGET OR NOT, WE WANT THE PERCENT, WE WANT THE NUMBER OF SHELTER BEDS TO INCREASE.
I WOULD RECOMMEND A BAR, CRAFT BAR CHART, WHICH SHOWS A TREND.
SO, SO LET ME, LET ME BACK UP A LITTLE BIT.
SO IF I WAS TO, IF I WAS TO REVISE THIS, I WOULD, AT LEAST ON A QUARTERLY BASIS, I WOULD THINK, UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE, NOW IT COULD BE WE WANT TO SET A TARGET ON THAT, BUT I THINK WITH THE, WITH THE SHORTAGE OF SHELTER BEDS, I WOULD AT LEAST WANT THE CITY TO, IN EACH YEAR INCREASE THE NUMBER OF SHELTER BEDS.
AND THEY COULD INCREASE IT BY 20 OR THEY COULD INCREASE IT BY A HUNDRED.
BUT I WOULD WANT THE CITY TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF SHELTER BEDS AS THE FIRST STEP AND TO SHOW THAT ON A GRAPH.
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AND THEN IF WE ALL WANT TO, IF WE WANT TO ADD, UH, SOMETHING ABOUT A TARGET, UM, OR JUST MAYBE WE SAY TO THE CITY, AND WE WOULD ALSO LIKE YOU TO SET A TARGET.UM, ANY TARGET SET A TARGET, ANY TARGET.
UM, I HEAR YOUR FRUSTRATION AND I THINK THAT, I THINK THERE IS A WAY, I'M NOT SURE WHAT HAPPENED WITH THAT WAS AT OUR LAST MEETING OR THE LAST MEETING THAT, BUT I THINK I'VE MENTIONED WE DID USED TO HAVE A TABLE THAT HAD SHELTERS AND A NUMBER OF BEDS CAPACITY.
UM, AND I THINK THAT INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE SOMEWHERE.
AND SO WE, WE CERTAIN CAN AND SHOULD ASK FOR THAT INFORMATION AGAIN.
UM, I THINK YOUR FRUSTRATION IS THAT SOMETIMES THE SHELTER NUMBER SOMEHOW, YOU KNOW, IN THE POINT IN TIME COUNT IT, IT, IT DOES GO UP.
LAST YEAR, 2024, IT WAS, IT WAS 27% SHELTER RATE AND THEN 2023 IT WAS 29% SHELTER RATE.
SO THAT NUMBER DID SORT OF WANDER AWAY.
WE DIDN'T, IT ACTUALLY WENT DOWN.
AND I, AND WE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY.
SO WE CAN CERTAINLY ASK FOR THAT.
UM, SO I THINK WHAT YOU WANT IS THE SHELTER CAPACITY AND AND WHAT YOU WANT IS BY NAME.
AND THEN WHEN, WHEN SOMETHING IS ON, WHEN SOMETHING BECOMES OPERATIONAL, THEN IT GETS ADDED AS A LINE RIGHT.
IN, IN YOUR, IN SEPTEMBER WE'VE ADDED SOMETHING CAME ONLINE FOR SOMETHING VAGABOND CLOSES.
AND SO I DO AND WE WANT AN INCREASE EVERY YEAR.
SO I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE SHOULD BE A GOAL AND GOING BACK TO THE EVERYONE HOME DOCUMENT, WHICH IS THE LAST OFFICIAL DOCUMENT WE HAVE, UM, AS FAR AS THE STRATEGIC, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE ARE NUMBERS THERE AS YOU'VE POINTED OUT.
SO WE, WE CAN MAYBE WHAT WE NEED TO DO INSTEAD OF HAVING THIS WANDERING PERCENTAGE, MAYBE WE CAN SAY A HUNDRED BEDS OR, OR A MORE FINITE NUMBER.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO BREAK IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
'CAUSE IF WE, IF WE MAKE IT TOO GENERAL, THEN WE CAN'T REALLY FOCUS ON THAT TARGET YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I MEAN, THE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE NUMBER 50 OR A HUNDRED OR 200, WHATEVER IT IS.
PICK UP THAT NUMBER WE WANNA ADD, AT LEAST I'M GOOD WITH THAT.
I DON'T, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE, EVERYONE HOME IT DID HAVE A NUMBER.
SO THIS IS A, A PHILOSOPHICAL ISSUE.
AND I KNOW THIS CAME UP WITH HOW THE CITY'S TRACKING, HOW THEY DECREASE PEOPLE WHO, UM, HAVE, YOU KNOW, EXPERIENCED HOMELESSNESS AGAIN AND AGAIN.
SO YOU CAN ADD BEDS, BUT THEN HAVE THE SAME PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE HOMELESS AS WE ALL KNOW, IF THE, THE PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS.
SO YOU'RE, YOU ARE SHELTERING MORE PEOPLE, BUT YOU STILL HAVE THE SAME PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE, WHICH I THINK IS A PROBLEM.
I THINK THE CITY SHOULD BE SEEKING TO, UM, SHELTER A HIGHER PERCENTAGE, NOT JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, STANDARD NUMBER OF PEOPLE.
FROM WHAT I HEARD FROM, SO DOUG, I THINK YOU WERE SPEAKING TO TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT INCREASING THE NUMBER OF SHELTER BEDS, BUT THEN YOU'RE ALSO JUST, YOU KNOW, SEEKING THE DATA OF HOW DO YOU TRACK WHAT IS AVAILABLE.
AND I FEEL LIKE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD INCLUDE ON AS WE REVISE RECOMMENDATION NUMBER TWO.
BECAUSE WHAT RECOMMENDATION NUMBER TWO WAS LAST YEAR IS THAT THE CITY, YOU KNOW, DOES AN ASSESSMENT OF WHAT'S NEEDED AND WHAT'S AVAILABLE AND COMPARES THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THE POPULATIONS THAT NEED THIS.
HERE'S THE TYPE OF SHELTER, HERE'S THE NUMBER.
AND SO NUMBER TWO, LAST YEAR WAS REALLY ABOUT THE CITY, UM, UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE, THE NEED IS AND WHAT THE CURRENT FACILITIES ARE.
AND SO I FEEL LIKE THAT COULD BE ADAPTED TO DISCUSS, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO WE HAVE, HOW, HOW DO WE MEASURE THIS AGAINST THE NEED? UM, BUT I HEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A DEBATE ABOUT SHOULD IT BE NUMBER OF SHELTER BEDS OR SHOULD IT BE PERCENTAGE? AND I JUST WANTED TO SPEAK UP AND SAY, WELL, WE COULD KEEP ADDING SHELTER BEDS EVERY YEAR, BUT STILL BE SHELTERING THE SAME PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE, WHICH WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT OF A PLUS.
BUT ADDING BEDS IS, IS SOMETHING I THINK, UM, THAT DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE HIGHLIGHTED BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THE PLUS AND MINUS OF THINGS.
AND SOME OF THAT VARIATION IS THE COUNTS AREN'T PERFECT, SO IT MAY JUST BE NORMAL VARIATION.
CAN I ADD SOMETHING? SO I, I WOULD THINK MAYBE THERE MIGHT BE A WAY TO DO THAT.
UM, WHAT WOULD BE, UH, IF WE COULD FIGURE OUT, FOR INSTANCE, BASED ON THE LAST YEAR'S DATA OR THIS YEAR'S DATA, IF WE WERE TO ASK FOR A 1%
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INCREASE OF SHELTER BEDS, A WE WERE ASKED FOR AN INCREASE THAT WOULD PROJECT TO HAVE A 1% DECREASE IN UNSHELTERED.OR WE COULD ASK FOR 33 OR 34, OR WE COULD ASK FOR 60, WHICH WOULD HAVE A 2% OR WHATEVER.
THAT WOULD HAVE A 5%, THEN WE COULD PUT IT TOGETHER.
WE WANT THIS MANY BEDS THAT WOULD HAVE A PROJECTED EFFECTIVE 5%.
AND WE WANT A GRAPH THAT SHOWS IT, TRACKS IT AND HAS ACTUAL NUMBERS.
WELL, IT'S SARAH'S POINT IS THAT THAT'S A TARGET.
YOUR PERCENTAGE IS BASED ON A NUMBER THAT COULD CHANGE YEAR TO YEAR.
I MEAN YOU COULD, YOU COULD, IT'S A HARD, ATTACH IT TO THE 2024 COUNT AND SAY 2% OF 300, 3,376.
SO THAT, THAT WOULD GIVE YOU, UH, 66 BEDS, SOMETHING.
SO, PAM, DID YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THIS? I MEAN, MY THOUGHTS ARE ALWAYS, I THINK THE BEDS, THE COUNT ON THE BEDS BECOME CONVOLUTED BECAUSE WE HAVE SERVICE PROVIDERS THAT ALSO OFFER BEDS.
AND THEN IT BECOMES WHETHER THOSE LOCATIONS OF THOSE BEDS ARE GOING TO GET FILLED BY PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS.
BECAUSE NOT OFTEN PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS WILL TAKE THAT SHELTER BED.
SO THERE'S LIKE EMPTY SHELTER BEDS OUT THERE RIGHT NOW UNDER SOME OTHER PROVIDERS.
BUT BECAUSE OF THEIR ENVIRONMENTS, NOBODY'S USING THE SHELTER BEDS IS WHAT I'M GETTING AT.
SO IT'S NOT ALWAYS ABOUT SHELTER BEDS, IT'S ABOUT THE TYPE OF SHELTER BEDS.
AND IT CAN'T JUST BE HERE'S A BED.
'CAUSE NOT EVERYBODY'S GONNA TAKE THAT BED.
I GUESS IF WE HAD A LIST OF, OF THOSE, ALL THOSE SHELTERS, THEN WE WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT BETTER.
BUT IN TERMS OF, UM, THE CITY OWNED SHELTERS, UH, ARE ALSO RAN BY THIRD PARTIES AREN'T REALLY RAN BY THE CITY.
AND THEY ALSO WORK FOR OTHER SERVICE PROVIDERS THAT HAVE SHELTER BEDS AND THEY OFFER THOSE TO PEOPLE.
AND SOME PEOPLE WILL REFUSE THOSE.
SO IT'S YOUR POINT THAT KIND OF THE CONGREGATE SHELTERS ARE NOT AS POPULAR AND SO THEY HAVE OPENINGS.
SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY IN A GENERAL POOL OF HOW MANY SHELTER BEDS YOU HAVE, IT'S REALLY THE TYPE OF SHELTER BEDS THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO ACTUALLY UTILIZE.
'CAUSE THERE ARE DIFFERENT CLASSIFICATIONS AS SHELTER.
IF YOU GO TALK TO PEOPLE THAT ARE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS AND YOU OFFER THEM A SHELTER BED, THEY MAY OR MAY NOT.
THEY'LL ASK YOU WHERE EXACTLY.
UM, I THINK IT'S A, IT'S A GOOD CONCEPT.
UM, I WORRY THAT IT'S OUT OF THE SCOPE OF THE CITY IN TERMS OF, AS I'VE BEEN WATCHING THE MEETINGS, THE MORE IT'S IN THE SCOPE OF WHAT PAUL CAN DO OR WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE OR WHAT THE CITY PROVIDES US, IT'S LIKELY TO HAVE SOMETHING DONE.
I, I, I WOULD THINK IT, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO HAVE A PRESENTATION ON THAT TO THE COMMITTEE ABOUT THIS TOPIC.
WHERE ARE THE OTHER SHELTERS? I DON'T KNOW.
WHERE ARE THE OTHER SHELTERS? WHAT IS THEIR CAPACITY? AND UM, ARE THEY, YOU KNOW, DO THEY HAVE LIKE A NUMBER, LIKE WE'RE 90% EFFICIENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND THEN ALSO ASK, ARE THE, DO, DO WE KNOW IF THERE ARE GONNA BE ANY CHANGES THIS COMING YEARS TO THAT NUMBER? ARE THEY GONNA ADD MORE BEDS OR ARE THEY GONNA CLOSE BEDS? BECAUSE THAT WOULD THEN IMPACT THE CITY.
SO FOR ME, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR A PRESENTATION SO I COULD LEARN MORE AND THEN RE THEN REQUEST OR DO FOLLOW UP TO GET TO INTEGRATING A LITTLE BETTER WITH WHAT WE DO WITH THE STATE.
DO YOU HAVE OTHER THOUGHTS? WELL, MY, MY, UH, I'VE NOTICED THAT MOST OF THEIR, THEIR CHARTS AND GRAPHS AND EVERYTHING AND STATISTICS START WITH, UH, A SHELTER BED.
I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT, TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT THE QUEUE TO SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE ACTUALLY CONTACTED A CASE MANAGER BUT HAVEN'T RECEIVED THE SERVICES THEY ASKED FOR.
BECAUSE I THINK THE CUE IS, THE CUE IS WHERE THE PEOPLE GET STUCK.
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I MEAN, AT LEAST IF YOU'RE IN A SHELTER BED, YOU'RE MOVING FORWARD A LITTLE BIT.I MEAN, AT LEAST YOU HAVE A PLACE FOR YOUR HEAD.
YOU'RE NOT ON THE STREET SITTING THERE.
BUT WHEN YOU'RE STUCK IN THAT QUEUE, YOU'RE MOVED AROUND.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE THERE ARE, THEY'RE IN THE QUEUE AND HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE STUCK THERE AND HOW LONG THEY'VE BEEN THERE.
BECAUSE I'VE HEARD STORIES OF YEARS STUCK IN THAT QUEUE.
AND I THINK THAT SHOULD BE SOME KIND OF FOCUS.
I MEAN, I KNOW WE NEED SHELTER BEDS, BUT THAT'S BOTH BASICALLY A COUNTY THING.
THOSE ARE MOSTLY THROUGH, UH, VASA.
AND WE DO NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THEM.
I MEAN, I'VE VISITED ONE THANKS TO JULIE.
SHE, SHE HELPED ME FIND WHERE THEY ARE.
AND UM, BASICALLY IT WAS A WAREHOUSE FOR PEOPLE.
AND THE GUY WAS VERY NICE AND I DIDN'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
I MEAN, THEY DO THEIR BEST WITH WHAT THEY GOT.
BUT, UH, THAT CUE, THAT'S WHERE THEY GET SNUCK AND I, OUR FOCUS SHOULD BE THERE.
SO I THINK WHEN DALTON PRESENTED THE LAST QUARTER DATA, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE THE TIMELINE IT TAKES AFTER SOMEBODY I THINK IS MATCHED WITH SHELTER OF HOW LONG IT TAKES THEM TO IN SHELTER.
BUT WE KIND OF DON'T HAVE, HOW LONG ARE THEY IN THE QUEUE UNTIL THEY GET MATCHED WITH SHELTER.
AND HE SAID, YOU KNOW, THERE'S HUGE, HUGE DIFFERENCES IN THAT.
AND WE THINK IT'S A LONG TIME.
WE THINK THEY'RE ON THE QUEUE A LONG TIME.
UM, AND I I THINK THAT'S TRUE THAT IT TAKES WHILE DON'T, DON'T, WELL, NO.
HOW LONG DID IT, THIS IS FELTONS LAST, UM, OVERHEAD AS FAR AS THE QUEUE FOR, FOR SHELTER.
THERE'S 1,157 PEOPLE IN THE QUEUE AND THERE ARE ONLY 34 PEOPLE EXITING.
SO THERE, YES, THERE IS A BOTTLENECK THERE, BUT UNLESS YOU GET, UNLESS YOU ADDRESS THE SHELTER SHORTAGE, HOW WHATEVER SHELTER MEANS TO ANYBODY, I DON'T SEE THE RELEVANCE OF SAYING, OH, YOU KNOW, I KNOW PEOPLE WHO'VE BEEN ON THE QUEUE FOR YEARS.
SO UNLESS YOU CAN, YOU CAN, YOU CAN ASK A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT, THAT QUESTION AND THEY'LL ANSWER YOU HOW LONG THEY'VE BEEN ON.
BUT UNLESS YOU, AND YOU CHANGE THE FORMULA, AND, AND THAT MEANS PROVIDING THEM ALTERNATIVES FOR SHELTER, WHATEVER THAT MEANS.
UM, YOU, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO CHANGE THAT NUMBER OF TIMES, CHANGE IT, BUT WE LEAVE THE, AT LEAST KNOW HOW BAD IT IS.
WELL, THIS IS, AND THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT REALLY PRESENTED PRETTY CLEARLY ALREADY.
HOW LONG? NO, BUT THE PAT IT HAS BEEN SORT OF, BUT HOW LONG HAVE THEY BEEN THERE? THIS, THIS THING HAS NOT CHANGED SIGNIFICANTLY IN, IN THE YEAR THAT DALTON'S BEEN WITH US.
SO, UM, IT IT'S PRETTY WORKED.
THERE ISN'T ANYTHING HIDING HERE.
YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE 1,011 OVER A HUNDRED, 1100 PEOPLE AND 34 EXITING.
SO THERE IS A PROBLEM, I KIND OF REMEMBER BEING TOLD IT TAKES THAT, THAT THE SORT OF THE AVERAGE LENGTH OF TIME OF A PERSON IN THE SHELTER IS ON THE ORDER OF SIX TO NINE MONTHS IN THAT RANGE.
THEN ONCE YOU GET INTO THE SHELTER, YOU JUST MOVED ALONG THE QUEUE, BUT YOU'RE LIKE IN A DIFFERENT PART OF THE QUEUE WAITING FOR PERMANENT HOUSING.
WELL, YOU KNOW, I, I LIKE ONE WAY TO LOOK AT THE QUEUE IS IT COULD GIVE A LITTLE, IN ADDITION TO THE SHELTER BEDS, IT COULD GIVE YOU A LITTLE SENSE OF THE PERCENTAGE.
BECAUSE IF THE QUEUE IS GOING LIKE THIS, OKAY, IF WE'RE ASSUMING THE QUEUE IS STABLE AND WE'RE GONNA ADD SHELTER BEDS, THEN GREAT.
BUT IF THE QUEUE IS GOING LIKE THIS BECAUSE THERE'S MORE AND MORE PEOPLE WANTING, IT'S BEEN PRETTY STABLE AROUND THIS NUMBER OKAY.
SO IF IT'S BEEN STABLE, MAYBE WE DON'T NEED TO, TO, TO FOCUS ON IT.
AND IT'S JUST REALLY THE BEDS, IT'S JUST WE, THE CITY NEEDS MORE BEDS AND NEEDS, WELL, NEEDS A PLAN EVERY YEAR TO ADD BEDS.
BUT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS MORE, UM, TRANSITIONAL OR
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PERMANENT HOUSING.I MEAN WE'RE TALKING, THIS IS, THESE ARE THE PE OH, I I, I'M SORRY I'M LOOKING AT THE OTHER ONE.
WE NEED, THAT'S ANOTHER, YEAH, THAT'S ANOTHER TOPIC.
SO TO, BUT TO PAM'S POINT, SO YOU CAN ADD BEDS, BUT IF THEY'RE UNDESIRABLE BEDS, LIKE IF PEOPLE ARE SAYING, NO, I DON'T WANT TO BE IN A CONGREGATE SHELTER IN THOSE CONDITIONS, THEN WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE SHELTERED.
SO YOU CAN ALL TELL THAT I'M A BIT OF A PROPONENT OF THE PERCENTAGE SHELTER.
UM, SO I'VE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF MY, MY PREFERENCE.
BUT WE CAN KEEP TALKING THROUGH.
I AM CONCERNED THOUGH, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR WE HAD SAID THERE SHOULD, AND, AND WE SAID OUR MAIN GOAL IS TO GET MORE PEOPLE SHELTERED.
AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT WILL TAKE SOME RESOURCES FROM THE MORE LONG TERM PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING.
WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE ON THE STREETS.
SO WE, UH, WE SUGGESTED THIS AGGRESSIVE GOAL OF 40% FROM 27 TO 40% SHELTERED IN TWO YEARS.
AND THE QUESTION IS, DO WE WANT TO CHANGE THAT OR DO WE WANT TO SAY NO? WE'RE STILL SAYING THE CITY NEEDS TO BE VERY AGGRESSIVE AND WE NEED TO PUT MORE RESOURCES INTO SHELTER THAT WILL BE DESIRABLE TO PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS.
AND SO WE STILL SAY WE SHOULD BE AIMING FOR 40% SHELTERED BY 2026.
OR DO WE WANT TO WALK BACK OUR OWN RECOMMENDATION? WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? UM, SARAH, I THINK THE, UM, THE, THE ONE OF THE THINGS WE SHOULD CONSIDER IS, IS HOW WOULD THE CITY ACCESS FUNDING, ESPECIALLY RIGHT NOW.
I MEAN, WE CAN, WE CAN HAVE A WISHLIST SAYING WHATEVER WE WANT, BUT IF THERE'S NO FUNDING SOURCES, 'CAUSE CURRENTLY FUNDING OCCURS FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THE STATE AND THE COUNTY.
THERE'S VERY LITTLE IN, IN THE LONG BEACH GENERAL FUND THAT GOES INTO HOMELESSNESS IN ANY, FOR ANYTHING.
SO, UM, IF, IF WE WANT TO BE REALISTIC AND AND PRODUCTIVE, UM, WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS SUSTAINABLE.
AND NOT, WE'RE NOT GONNA GET IT FROM WASHINGTON IN THE NEXT THREE AND A HALF YEARS.
UH, WE MIGHT GET IT FROM THE COUNTY, BUT THEY'RE ALREADY GIVING US A LOT.
UH, AND THE STATE SEEMS TO BE STUCK ON THESE ENCAMPMENT RESOLUTIONS, WHICH ARE NOT PERMANENT SHELTER.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE, BUT I THINK IT ACTUALLY WILL HELP WITH THIS NUMBER BECAUSE WE JUST GOT THE THIRD ENCAMPMENT RESOLUTION.
BUT THAT'S ONLY FOR UP TO TWO YEARS.
THAT'S LIKE THE LON, IT'S THE SAME EXACT FORMULA AS NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO.
AS THAT, THE FIRST ONE FOR WAS FOR LESS THAN A YEAR.
THE SECOND ONE IS FOR ONE YEAR.
AND THIS THIRD ONE IS FOR UP TO TWO YEARS.
SO IT'S 60 BEDS THAT ARE GONNA COME AND GO JUST LIKE THIS.
I HONESTLY FEEL LIKE, LIKE THESE NUMBERS TRACK.
EVEN LIKE MAKING THE SMALLER SAMPLE SIZE TO JUST ONE OF THE HOTELS WITH THESE NUMBERS AND THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY GOT PERMANENT HOUSING OUT OF THAT.
I FEEL LIKE IT TRACKS WHATEVER THIS NUMBER PERCENTAGE IS.
THE LOW, YEAH, LIKE 34 OUT OF THE 1100.
'CAUSE IT'S HOWEVER MANY PEOPLE WENT INTO THAT HOTEL.
SAY THERE WAS LIKE 60, 80 ROOMS AND MAYBE LIKE 10 ACTUALLY GOT PREGNANT.
WHAT WAS THE BACK? WAS IT 60? I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS, I CAN'T, I DON'T HAVE INTERNET.
AND PEOPLE STILL WENT INTO NOT PERMANENT HOUSING, BUT OTHER HOUSING AND THEN LIKE MAYBE SOME OF THEM HAD VOUCHERS AND GOT INTO PERMANENT HOUSING, BUT IT WAS A SMALL PERCENTAGE.
ONE IS, I WASN'T AWARE, I'VE FORGOTTEN THAT VAGABOND WAS A TWO YEAR OR WHATEVER, ONE YEAR.
SO I'VE BEEN ASSUMING IT WAS ALWAYS IN THERE.
WHICH GOES BACK TO THE FIRST DISCUSSION.
THE FIRST DISCUSSION AROUND KNOWING THE NUMBER OF SHELTER BEDS THAT WE HAVE WHEN THEY COME IN, WHEN THEY'RE GONNA GO OUT BASE.
THE SECOND THING, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA OF A TARGET, OKAY, THAT MAKES TO ANOTHER THING THAT I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT LATER, IF WE HAVE TIME, WHICH IS A PROCESS FOR OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
IT IT GOES TO THE DIRECTOR OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES, THEN THE MANAGER.
AND THEN IT'S APPEARS TO BE EMAILED INDIVIDUALLY TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND NOTHING ELSE.
SO THE ACCOUNT, IS THAT WHAT HE SAID? IT'S NOT WHAT YOU SAY, IT'S WHAT'S DOCUMENTED.
SO THERE IS AN EMAIL, THERE IS A COMMUNICATION THAT GOES TO AND FROM THE PEOPLE OF AUTHORITY.
THE PAUL, THE PEOPLE OF AUTHORITY
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ARE THE DIRECTOR OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES.THEN THE CITY MANAGER, THEY VALIDATE AND THEN IT'S EMAILED INDIVIDUALLY TO THE MEMBERS OF THE COUNCILMAN AND THE MAYOR TO DATE, I HAVE NO, I I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE'VE HEARD ANY INDIVIDUAL RESPONSES.
SO SAVE THAT GENERAL THOUGHT FOR NEXT DISCUSSION MAYBE OR MY TOPIC.
BUT I THINK FROM WHAT YOU SAY, UH, I WOULD SEE STRIVING FOR A 40% AS SOMETHING WE, WE WOULD BE PRESENTING TO THE FULL CITY COUNCIL.
IT WOULD BE IN THE MINUTES, THERE WOULD BE A RESPONSE.
UM, IT MIGHT GET PRESS PICKED UP BY PRESS.
I'M JUST TELLING YOU, IT DOES NOT HAPPEN THAT WAY.
IT HAPPENS WHAT? EITHER THE WAY I DESCRIBED, UNLESS YOU CAN TELL ME DIFFERENTLY.
THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED WITH OUR MEMO LAST TIME.
'CAUSE IT DID SOMEHOW IT DIDN'T, IT WAS, IT WAS STAGNANT FOR A, A COUPLE MONTHS THEN IT, IT GOT ATTACHED TO A MEMO FROM THE DIRECTOR OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES TO THE CITY MANAGER WITH THE COUNCIL AND MAYOR AND EVERYBODY ELSE.
HOWEVER, THE REASON I, I ASKED YOU ABOUT THE 2018, UM, HOMELESS SERVICES ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
UM, ANNUAL REPORT IS THAT IS THE DOCUMENT.
THE ANNUAL REPORT IS THE ONE DOCUMENT THAT EACH COMMISSION AND ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS REQUIRED TO PRESENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
SO THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT IT UP.
THE LAST TIME WE DID THAT WAS 2018 AND I THOUGHT I HAD A COPY OF IT.
AND, AND IN THAT FORMAT IT WAS PRESENTED TO THE COUNCIL.
SO, SO WHAT WE NEED IS, IS TO PRESENT IT AS AN ANNUAL REPORT WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED IS THAT WE HAD, WE HAD RECOMMENDATIONS AND CONCLUSIONS AS PART OF THE ANNUAL REPORT PRESENTED TO THE COUNCIL IN THERE.
AND WE CAN PRESENT IT IN THAT FORMAT.
AND MAYBE LET'S COME BACK TO THIS DURING OUR DISCUSSION OF PROCEDURES.
'CAUSE WE DO HAVE 20 MINUTES ON THE AGENDA FOR THAT.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVEN'T REALLY GOTTEN ANYWHERE WITH OUR DISCUSSION OF DO WE WANT TO RECOMMEND, UH, YOU KNOW, THESE PERCENTAGES OR SHELTER BEDS.
SO I'M GONNA MOVE ON FROM THAT AND WE CAN DISCUSS IT A LITTLE BIT MORE NEXT TIME WITH SOME REFLECTION.
UM, CAN, AND LET ME JUST, CAN I SAY ONE QUICK THING? YES.
CAN WE FIND OUT, I THINK YOU ALL SHOULD KNOW.
DO ALL OF THE COUNCILS PRESENT EVERY YEAR? THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS? THE COMMISSIONS.
THE COMMISSIONS? I DON'T BELIEVE THEY FORMALLY GO TO THE EVERY YEAR.
I DON'T BELIEVE ALL OF US GO TO THE TO THEM AND PRESENT.
SINCE THE PANDEMIC YOU ARE CORRECT.
THE PANDEMIC HAS DISRUPTED ALL PROCEDURES.
SO THERE, I'M JUST SAYING MAYBE WE DON'T NEED TO, WE CAN SAVE THAT FOR THE EDITOR.
THE REALITY OF WHAT IT IS NOW IS THAT'S THE WAY IT'S DONE.
AND IT SATISFIES WHAT IS IN OUR, IN OUR, UH, COMMISSION, IN OUR CHARTER, WHAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO DO.
THE WAY THEY DO IT NOW SATISFIES IT.
WE DON'T, THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE US PRESENT IT TO THE, TO THE FULL CITY COUNCIL.
IT CAN BE DONE EXACTLY THE WAY IT'S DONE.
UM, FROM LAST YEAR, I UPDATED WHAT WE SAID LAST YEAR WHERE WE SAID, HEY, DO A NEEDS ANALYSIS, YOU KNOW, FIGURE OUT HOW MANY PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS ARE LOOKING FOR PERMANENT HOUSING, HOW MANY ARE LOOKING FOR SHELTER? WHAT THE EXPECTED ANNUAL FUNDING SOURCES ARE.
THIS WAS ALL LAST YEAR, BASICALLY NEEDS ASSESSMENT.
AND SO I CHANGED IT THIS YEAR TO SAY THAT WE RECOMMEND THE CITY COUNCIL REQUEST REGULAR UPDATES ON THE TOTAL PERCENTAGE OF INDIVIDUALS SHELTERED BY THE CITY.
PARTICULARLY THOSE IN CATEGORIES PRIORITIZED FOR SERVICE SUCH AS INDIVIDUALS EXPERIENCING CHRONIC HOMELESSNESS.
AND THESE UPDATES WILL HELP ELECT OFFICIALS TRACK THE CITY'S PROGRESS TOWARDS INCREASING THE PERCENTAGE.
SO SORT OF LIKE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR, FOR HAYS STAFF WE'RE SAYING, HEY, CITY COUNCIL, YOU SHOULD BE ASKING FOR, YOU KNOW, KIND OF STRAIGHTFORWARD DATA AND REGULAR UPDATES, TRACKING PROGRESS.
AND THIS COULD BE CHANGED TO, YOU KNOW, SHELTER BEDS AS OPPOSED TO PERCENTAGE.
BUT DO WE ALL AGREE THAT THAT'S A HELPFUL RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL? I MEAN, MY EXPERIENCE WORKING
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WITH THE CITY ON OTHER AREAS HAS BEEN KIND OF LIKE THIS, RIGHT? WE GIVE A RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEY KIND OF PICK WHAT THEY CAN DO.I REALLY FEEL LIKE THEY PICK THIS UP WITH THAT BUILD FOR ZERO PLAN THAT THEY'RE STARTING.
I DIDN'T, I, I KNOW IT'S LIKE BEING IMPLEMENTED OR THEY'RE STARTING TO DO IT, BUT I FEEL LIKE THIS RECOMMENDATION KIND OF HELPED PUSH THEM A LITTLE BIT OR INFLUENCED THEM OR SUPPORT THEM ON, THAT'S LIKE THE, THE RIGHT AREA TO GO.
LIKE REALLY CONCENTRATING ON ONE POPULATION.
ESPECIALLY THE CHRONIC HOMELESSNESS, WHICH WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN KIND OF TRYING TO TALK ABOUT AND GETTING DONE.
SO I FEEL LIKE MAYBE NOT THE WHOLE THING, BUT I FEEL LIKE SOME OF THIS WAS INFLUENCED IN THE CITY.
I FEEL LIKE THEY TOOK, TOOK THAT AND WAS LIKE, OH, WE SHOULD LOOK INTO THIS AND LOOKED AT OTHER COMMUNITIES WHERE THAT WORKED.
I FEEL LIKE THAT'S A SMALL WIN STRATEGIC PLAN TOO.
DO WE WANT, OH, DOUG, I LIKE THIS ONLY IN, BUT I, I WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER WE'RE ASKING TO BE TRACKED NUMBERS IS SOMETHING THAT IS AVAILABLE.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE MONTHLY OR QUARTERLY DATA ON THE PERCENT OF INDIVIDUAL SHELTER.
THAT'S ONLY A YEARLY THING, RIGHT? THE YEAR COUNT.
NO, THE HMIS I'M PRETTY SURE DALTON, I THINK IT'S PEOPLE IN THE PIPELINE VERSUS PEOPLE WHO ARE IN SHELTER.
HE'S WAITING FOR SHELTER VERSUS PEOPLE WHO ARE IN SHELTER.
AND I'LL CLARIFY TO SAY WHATEVER IT IS WE WANT IN THIS, IT SHOULD BE VERY SPECIFIC AS TO WHAT EXACTLY.
I THINK I'D LOOK AT IT AND GO, GOSH, I'M NOT SURE WHAT TO DO HERE.
YOU KNOW, I THINK, AND AGAIN, RELATED TO THE STUFF I'VE LOOKED AT, I FEEL LIKE WE DO HAVE A RIGHT TO REQUEST BETTER CLEAR INFORMATION.
'CAUSE ONE OF OUR MAIN PURPOSES IS TO UNDER HEAR AND UNDERSTAND INFORMATION ABOUT THE HOMELESS SITUATION.
SO I THINK WE HAVE A RIGHT TO REQUEST BETTER INFORMATION, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO BE VERY SPECIFIC AND, AND KEEP AT, KEEP AT IT.
IT JUST, I'VE, SEVERAL OF US HAVE MADE RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK DALTON'S GONNA COME BACK WITH SOME GRAPHS IN THE NEXT TIME HE PRESENTS.
BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE REALLY TRACK OR WE LINE UP WHAT WE WANT DALTON TO DO LINES UP WITH HERE.
YOU COULD RUN, YOU COULD CREATE A ZILLION DIFFERENT GRAPHS OR TRACK, BUT WHAT IS IT, WHAT ARE THE KEY ONES THAT THEY HAVE DATA FOR THAT WE WANT TO TRACK? OKAY, SO YOU'RE SAYING BE MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT THE EXACT DATA POINTS THAT WE'RE QUITE SPECIFIC ON IT BECAUSE THEY'RE ASKING US WHAT THEY WANT, WE WANT TO SEE AND OTHER THAN THAT THEY WILL, IF WE DON'T GIVE THEM SPECIFIC GUIDELINES TO WHAT WE WANNA SEE, THEN THEY'LL JUST GIVE US ANYTHING THEY THINK WE WANT.
YOU CAN MIX AND MATCH THE DATA AS MUCH AS YOU WANT, BUT, AND IT'S ALL THERE.
IT MAY NOT BE COM COMPLETELY BACK HISTORICALLY, BUT IT'S THERE NOW.
AND WE NEED TO BE SPECIFIC ON THE KIND OF METRICS AND THE, AND WHEN THEY'RE DUE.
IF WE WANT 'EM QUARTERLY, WE'LL GET 'EM QUARTERLY.
IF WE WANT THEM MONTHLY, WE WOULD GET 'EM MONTHLY.
IT'S JUST, WE NEED TO BE VERY SPECIFIC, LIKE HE SAID ON THE KIND OF INFORMATION WE ASK FOR.
JUST DON'T LEAVE THAT DOOR WIDE OPEN.
AND THIS IS SPECIFICALLY, WE WANT CITY COUNCIL TO GET THESE UPDATES BECAUSE WE WANT THEM TO PROVIDE ELECTED OFFICIAL OVERSIGHT OF THE CITY'S PROCESS.
SO THIS IS NOT US, THIS IS, WE RECOMMEND THEY GET THESE BRIEFINGS.
SO FOR, CAN I ADD TO SOMETHING TO THAT REAL QUICK? WE DO NEED TO KEEP IT MOVING 'CAUSE WE ONLY HAVE 21 MINUTES LEFT.
AGAIN, I THINK WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL, THE ONLY THING WE CAN TRACK AND BE SURE OF IS THE STUFF THAT WE SEE OR THE STUFF THAT GETS PRESENTED IN THEIR ANNUAL REPORTS.
SO IF WE WANT TO HAVE SOMETHING TRACKED THAT WE FEEL IS IMPORTANT IT AND IT HELPS CLARIFY WHAT WE WANT, I THINK WE NEED TO ASK FOR, FOR US.
AND THEN I THINK IT WILL GET TO A LARGER AUDIENCE, WHATEVER DATA IS PRESENTED HERE IN TRACKED.
AND I THINK WE'LL GET TO CERTAINLY THE, THE, UH, DIRECTOR OF, UH, OF UH, HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES AND THE CITY MANAGER WILL READ IT, YOU KNOW, IN DETAIL.
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PAM, TO DO SOMETHING.I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT MAYBE IT'D BE HELPFUL IF THIS COMMITTEE, LIKE NEXT MONTH WHEN WE MEET AGAIN, WE COULD BRING LIKE WHAT SPECIFICS YOU WOULD LIKE TO TRACK OUTSIDE OF JUST SHELTER BEDS, BUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE TO YOU AND WHAT OTHER THINGS YOU WOULD WANT TO BE TRACKED IN THAT DATA.
SOMETIMES IT OVERLAPS WITH HIPAA SO THEY CANNOT GIVE US THOSE, THAT INFORMATION, BUT IF YOU STEP OUTSIDE OR LIKE KIND OF WORD THAT AROUND OF WHAT YOU REALLY WANT TO KNOW, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
SO WE'LL PUT THAT IN YOUR NOTES.
SO WE WILL NARROW DOWN ON WHAT DATA POINTS WE THINK ARE IMPORTANT TO TRACK HERE.
SO FOR RECOMMENDATION THREE, I THINK THIS IS PERHAPS NON-CONTROVERSIAL.
UM, WE JUST RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY MAINTAIN OR INCREASE FUNDING FOR HOMELESSNESS PREVENTION PROGRAMS. SO EXAMPLES HERE ARE THE EMERGENCY RENTAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM, GUARANTEED BASIC INCOME AND LIFE SKILLS PROGRAMS. AND THESE ARE TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM FALLING INTO HOMELESSNESS IN, IN THE FIRST PLACE.
SO WE RECOMMEND THE CITY MAINTAIN ITS INVESTMENTS IN THOSE.
ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? I'M, I'M WITH YOU.
I, ONE LITTLE THING, BUT REALLY THE IMPORTANT THING FOR ME IS I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER SEEN THIS DATA, WHICH, WELL WHAT OBJECTION, WHAT ARE THE FUNDS THAT ARE BEING APPLIED TO MAINTAIN FUNDING THAT'S, THAT'S FUNDS MM-HMM
THAT ARE IN THE CITY PROBABLY IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT BUCKETS MM-HMM
WELL I THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO SEE $2 MILLION NEXT YEAR TO, WE'D HAVE TO HAVE A WAY TO VALIDATE IT.
IF WE WANT TO DO THIS MORE AS A, AS A, A KIND OF NOT MEASURED, IT'S JUST A COMPASSIONATE THING.
THIS IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO AND THIS IS FINE IF WE WANT TO ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING.
WE WOULD HAVE TO GET SOME INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE.
IT COULD BE A PASSION OR IT COULD BE DO WE WANT TO GET NUMBERS TO VALIDATE THAT THEY'RE REALLY DOING THIS? THAT'S ALL.
ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON THAT? I THINK MAYBE WE COULD START WITH JUST A QUESTION AT THE NEXT HAYSTACK MEETING.
HEY, IS THE PROPOSED CITY BUDGET THIS YEAR IN LINE WITH WHAT WAS ALLOCATED LAST YEAR FOR THAT? YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD BASELINE.
MAYBE EVEN SPECIFIC TO THIS QUESTION.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THE FUNDS RELATED TO, UH, WHAT, WHAT IS IT CALLED? IT, IT'S TO PREVENT IT'S PREVENTION OF HOMELESSNESS.
UM, CAN WE GET MORE INFORMATION ABOUT IT? AND IS THIS YEAR'S BUDGET GONNA BE IMPACTING IT? THOSE FUNDS? MM-HMM
IT, IT'S CURRENTLY DIFFERENT BUCKETS.
UM, YOU KNOW, RENT ASSISTANCE, THERE'S DIFFERENT CATEGORIES AND THERE'S DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCES.
UM, THE COC HAS, UH, A COUPLE OF, UM, RENT ASSISTANCE, UM, PREVENTION FUNDS, CONTRACTS.
SO THOSE ARE SPECIFIC FOR THE COC.
BUT THEN YOU HAVE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU HAVE OTHER, UM, SERVICES OR UNDER FUNDING, OTHER FUNDING SOURCES FOR RENT ASSISTANCE.
AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE GUARANTEED INCOME IF, IF WE ONLY DID A PILOT.
AND WE DID A SMALL, THERE WAS A PILOT.
YEAH, THERE HAPPENED AFTER THAT, A LONG TIME AGO THERE WAS A PILOT.
SO WE CAN ASK IF THOSE PROGRAMS ARE PROJECTED GUARANTEED.
UM, I KIND OF CROSSED OUT ALL THE EXAMPLES UNDERNEATH THIS ONE, BUT KIND OF LET IT STAND AND IT'S, THE HOMELESS SERVICES ADVISORY COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS THE CITY OF LONG BEACH PILOT, LOWER COST, QUICKER STARTUP INTERIM HOUSING SOLUTIONS TO REACH OUR GOAL OF SHELTERING MORE PEOPLE.
DO WE STILL AGREE WITH THAT ONE? YEAH.
AND IT'S VERY TIMELY BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, HUD IS IN A STATE OF CONSTRICTION AND SO, UM, CURRENTLY HOMELESS DEVELOPMENTS IN THE CITY ARE PRETTY MUCH HUD FUNDED.
AND SO WITH, WITH THAT FUNDING SOURCE NOT GOING TO BE SO AVAILABLE, I THINK THE CITY AND OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE GONNA BE FORCED TO LOOK AT OTHER MODELS AND NOT THE SINGLE APARTMENT MODEL MODEL, WHICH IS ALL THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW.
UM, WHERE WE TALK ABOUT REPURPOSING BUILDINGS, WHERE WE TALK ABOUT JUST SHARED,
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YOU KNOW, SHARED HOUSING THAT CAN BE SUSTAINED WITH PEOPLE'S EXISTING INCOME.A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS GET 1400 OR SO OF SOCIAL SECURITY.
IF WE CAN PROVIDE THEM WITH A ROOM FOR $650, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO AFFORD THAT INSTEAD OF THEIR, YOU KNOW, FIVE NIGHTS AT THE MOTEL ROOM EVERY EVERY MONTH.
AND IT'S A GOOD, IT'S, IT IS TIMELY.
UM, BUT IT NEEDS TO, WE'LL HAVE TO WORK ON IT.
SOMETHING WE'LL THINK ABOUT TILL THE NEXT MEETING.
DOUG, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING AS WELL? I'M RIGHT ON.
UM, MORE BASIC FOR ME IS I'M, I'M SURE THERE ARE LOW COST OPTIONS AND WE TALKED ABOUT, WE OFFERED ONE OF THEM AND THERE ARE PROBABLY MANY OTHER LOW COST OPTIONS AND WE'RE ONLY GIVEN ONE SOLUTION TO CONVERT MOTELS.
I THINK, UM, I THINK THE CITY WITH THIS HUD ISSUE WITH THE FEDERAL ISSUES AND WITH THE CITY'S BUDGET REALLY NEEDS TO LOOK AT OTHER APPROACHES.
THAT COULD BE, THAT COULD BE, WE DON'T KNOW.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, I WOULD LIKE THEM TO DO IT AND REPORT BACK TO US, YOU KNOW, NOT NECESSARILY GET A TARGET, BUT WHAT ARE THESE OTHER OPTIONS THAT CITIES ARE USING? AND YOU, YOU TOOK THE, THE, WHAT WAS THE 10TH THING CALLED? IT'S THE, UH, SAFE CAMP SAFE.
YOU, YOU MADE A DECISION NOT TO PURSUE SAFE CAMP, BUT MAYBE THIS NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THEY, THERE ARE OTHER CITIES ARE USING FIVE OTHER MECHANISMS AND WE AREN'T GONNA DO THIS ONE, BUT WE ARE GONNA DO THIS ONE AND THIS ONE.
WHAT ARE THEY AND WHAT, WHAT CAN THEY DO FOR LOW COST TO START SERIOUSLY PURSUING LOW COST OPTIONS? YEAH.
AND WE CAN INCORPORATE, UM, I RECENTLY HAD A, HAD A SIT DOWN WITH THE MAYOR STAFF AND MY THING AS, AS ALL OF YOU REACTED TO THE TINY HOMES BEING, UM, DISBANDED IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE OKAY, YOU CAN'T JUST GIVE THEM AWAY
AND SO MAYBE THIS RECOMMENDATION CAN INCORPORATE SOME OF THOSE TINY HOMES, NOT JUST A SHELTER, BUT AS IF WE HAD SAY SLEEP.
THOSE TINY HOMES COULD, COULD BE A KITCHEN, COULD BE, COULD, COULD CERTAINLY BE THE RESTROOMS AND THE SHOWERS AND LOCKERS.
UM, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING THAT WAS IN 1955, THE LOCKERS AND THE
WHAT DO YOU THINK THE CHANCES ARE THAT THERE'LL LET US HAVE SAFE SHELTERS? PROBABLY NOT VERY GOOD.
WELL, SOME ITERATION, RIGHT? UH, THE CITY, AS YOU POINTED OUT AT THE LAST MEETING, THEY'RE GIVING UP THREE PARK PROPERTIES.
ONE OF THOSE PROPERTIES IS, IS 1858 LONG BEACH BOULEVARD.
THAT IS ONE BLOCK FROM SOCIAL SECURITY, ONE BLOCK FROM 1955 LONG BEACH BOULEVARD, WHICH WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE REFRESH CENTER.
UM, AND SO WHY COULDN'T WE TAKE SOME OF THOSE TINY HOME STRUCTURES AND PUT IT ON 1858 LONG BEACH BOULEVARD AND USE IT AS A REFRESH CENTER, YOU KNOW, A, A PLACE IN LA THEY OPENED THEIRS 24 7.
I KNOW THAT SOUNDS FOREIGN IN THIS COMMUNITY, BUT OTHER PLACES HAVE A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN GO TO THE RESTROOM 24 7 AND HAVE A PLACE TO SIT AND DO THEIR LAUNDRY AND, ALRIGHT.
SO I, I REALLY WANT TO SUPPORT THIS IDEA OF FINDING A WAY TO USE THE TINY HOMES.
'CAUSE IT IS VERY SAD TO LOSE THE TWO TO $3 MILLION ON THAT PROJECT.
BUT THAT'S A SEPARATE WOULD BE A SEPARATE RECOMMENDATION.
'CAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S, UH, IT COULD BE A SMALL IS THAT HOUSING YOU COULD BE, YOU COULD, UM, 1858, YOU COULD HAVE SOME OF THOSE STRUCTURES AS EMERGENCY SHELTER OR FAMILY SHELTER IF IT RIGHT.
HOWEVER, JUST SHORT, SHORT TERM, HOWEVER, TO APPROACH THE TINY HOMES WITH AN EITHER SPECIFIC IDEA OR OTHER IDEAS, WHETHER IT'S PART OF THIS OR ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION.
ALRIGHT, SO I WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE AT LEAST A FEW MINUTES TO DISCUSS, UH, DOUG'S PRESENTATION.
BUT WE STILL HAVE RECOMMENDATION NUMBER FIVE.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL QUICKLY GO THROUGH RECOMMENDATION NUMBER FIVE, WHICH IS THE MOST DETAILED AND NEW RECOMMENDATION.
SO THIS, I HEAR YOU DISCUSSED LAST WEEK.
AND THIS IS, YOU KNOW, WE RECOMMEND, UM, SHIFTING SOME RESOURCES FROM WEEKLY CLEAN SWEEPS OF HOMELESS ENCAMPMENTS TOWARDS PROACTIVE HYGIENE AND SANITATION SERVICES FOR ENCAMPMENTS, UM, TO INCREASE NEIGHBORHOOD CLEANLINESS AND QUALITY OF LIFE FOR PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS.
UM, JUST KIND OF REFRESH THE DATA HERE TO CITY DEPARTMENTS.
UM, CONDUCTED 4,200, UM, CLEAN SWEEPS LAST YEAR.
MOST OF THESE INVOLVE RETURNING TO THE SAME ENCAMPMENTS WEEK AFTER WEEK.
IT'S ESTIMATED THE COST OF PUBLIC WORKS
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ONE OF THE TWO DEPARTMENTS WAS A MILLION DOLLARS LAST YEAR.SO WE RECOMMEND, AND THIS IS SORT OF, YOU KNOW, A, A A FIGURE WE JUST PUT OUT THERE.
WE RECOMMEND THE CITY DIVERT 10% OF ENCAMPMENT CLEAN SWEEP FUNDING, UM, A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO A PROACTIVE HYGIENE AND SANITATION PROGRAM.
UM, AND THESE SERVICES SHOULD BE IMPLEMENTED BY THE CLEAN TEAM TO PRESERVE JOBS.
AND SO WE GAVE THIS EXAMPLE OF A PILOT BUDGET, WHICH I'D REALLY LIKE TO GET PAUL'S FEEDBACK ON.
UM, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING TRASH BINS AT THE 10 LARGEST ENCAMPMENTS.
UM, PROVIDING A DA COMPLIANT PORTABLE TOILETS AT THE THREE LARGEST ENCAMPMENTS WITH SOME EVENING HOURS THERE.
AND PROVISION OF WEEKLY SHOWER SERVICES AT THE THREE LARGEST ENCAMPMENTS.
AND SO WE WE'RE PROBABLY LOW BALLING ON THIS BUDGET, BUT, UM, HERE'S, YOU KNOW, HERE'S THE BUDGET.
I'D LIKE TO GET PAUL'S FEEDBACK.
WHAT IS YOUR FEEDBACK ON THIS RECOMMENDATION OR THIS, UM, PROPOSAL AS FAR AS THE, WE CAN DEFINITELY USE THOSE TINY HOMES FOR THAT.
THE, YOU KNOW, THE TINY HOMES.
THERE ARE I THINK TWO, TWO MODULES THAT ARE, THAT ARE A DA COMPLIANT.
SO THAT WOULD BE BE THE RESTROOMS AND THE SHOWERS.
THE ONLY THING WITH THE TINY HOMES THOUGH, IS BECAUSE THEY NEED TO BE HARDWIRED.
YOU NEED, YOU DEFINITELY NEED YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE, YOUR PUBLIC WORKS.
AS LONG AS THOSE, THE CAMPUS THAT WHERE WE HOUSE, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S SOMETHING CLOSE BY THEY CAN TAP INTO.
WELL, AND, AND FOR THIS I DEFINITELY JUST LOOKED AT THE COST OF RENTING PORTAGE JOHN'S AND THEN ALSO OH, THAT'S TRUE.
THE, THE SHOWER, YOU KNOW, TRUCKS.
AND SO JUST OVERALL, DO PEOPLE AGREE WITH THIS RECOMMENDATION TO TAKE A SMALL PORTION OF THE FUNDING FROM REGULAR CLEAN SWEEPS AND SAY, LET'S DIVERT IT HERE? YES.
I, I WOULD PERSONALLY PREFER NOT TO ASK THEM TO TAKE FUNDS AND DIVERT IT.
I WOULD APPROACH IT MORE FROM MAKING A REQUEST TO PILOT AND DO THIS.
THEY COULD USE ANY BUDGET THEY WANT.
I HELP GET THE FUNDS FOR WHEREVER THEY WANT.
AND, AND THEN WE, WE BELIEVE IN THIS, WE BELIEVE THIS MAY HELP REDUCE DEMANDS ON THE CLEAN SUITE PROGRAM.
AND RESOURCES AND EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT DEMANDS, WHATEVER.
SO I LIKE THE IDEA AND UM, I LIKE THE IDEA OF BEING MORE SPECIFIC IN THIS SEEMS PRETTY LARGE 10 LOCATIONS.
I LIKE THE IDEA OF THAT'S JUST FOR THE TRASH BINS.
THE OTHER ONES ARE THREE LOCATIONS.
I LIKE THE IDEA OF SORT OF IDENTIFYING WHERE THIS MIGHT BE.
'CAUSE I THINK IT, THE COMMITTEE NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WOULD THIS BE? IS IT IN MY DISTRICT? IS IT OVER HERE? 'CAUSE THE LOCATION CAN MATTER.
UM, AND SO TO ME IT MAKES SENSE WHERE THERE'S A, WHERE THERE ARE BIG ENCAMPMENTS MAYBE BY THE RIVER.
I DUNNO, THIS IS WHERE YOU MIGHT PILOT THIS, UH, AND SEE IF IT WORKS.
SO HAVE WE IDENTIFIED EXACTLY WHERE THEY WOULD BE? NO, I JUST SAID BY, UM, PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE CAMPING THERE, WE WOULD SAY THE 10 LARGEST AND THEN THE THREE LARGEST WOULD GET, UH, TOILET AND SHOWER FACILITIES WHERE THERE'S THE GREATEST CONCENTRATION OF PEOPLE I WOULD BE OKAY WITH THE LARGEST.
I MEAN, RIGHT NOW THEY'RE MOVING AROUND A LOT.
MOST OF THE MENTS I KNOW OF ARE BROKEN UP.
THEY'RE DOING, DOING A LOT OF SWEEPS LATELY.
THERE ARE MAYBE DOZEN, A DOZEN PEOPLE LEFT THAT I KNOW.
I MEAN, THEY'LL COME BACK, BUT THEY'RE SCATTERED RIGHT NOW.
THERE WAS, THERE WAS 81 PEOPLE AT MACARTHUR PARK.
WHICH IS A VERY, BECAUSE PEOPLE MORE SCATTERED.
USUALLY GOT LIKE 40, I THINK NUMBER FIVE IS A REALLY GREAT POLICY, BUT I THINK IT'S COMING IN A LITTLE LATE.
WE COULD HAVE USED THOSE A LONG TIME AGO.
AND NOW THAT THEY'RE ALL SWEPT OUT, THEY'RE UNDER BRIDGES, THEY'RE PLA THEY'RE PLACES WHERE YOU CAN'T EVEN GET TO THEM.
WELL, THEY'RE, THEY'RE AROUND, THEY'RE LIVING IN HOLES.
IF, IF, IF THERE WERE THE THREE SITES, UM, THE WORD WOULD TRAVEL RATHER QUICKLY AND, AND THEY WOULD GET TO THEM SERIOUSLY.
THERE'S A LOT OF MOVE MOVING AROUND RIGHT NOW.
BUT LIKE I SAY, SATURDAY MORNINGS THEY ALL SHOW UP AT ST.
SO AS LONG AS YOU GIVE THEM SHOWERS, RESTROOMS, AND FOOD, THEY WILL SHOW UP AGAIN.
I I, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU SAY, RIGHT? YES, EXACTLY.
THE, THE CONVERSE OF THAT WOULD BE IF YOU WERE TO PUT IT IN A NEW LOCATION, IT COULD ATTRACT, SO THE MEMBERS OF THE DISTRICTS ON OUR COMMITTEE ON THE EAST SIDE, MY DISTRICT MIGHT BE WANTING REALLY TO KNOW WHERE THE, WHERE IT MIGHT BE
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LOCATED, YOU KNOW, YES.BY THIS, BY THE RIVER PERHAPS, BUT MAYBE NOT IN ANOTHER LOCATION.
SO I THINK THE HIGHEST, TARGETING THE HIGHEST AND THEY CAN DETERMINE AND IT MAY ATTRACT MORE.
UH, BUT IT'S HUMANE IS A GOOD THING.
SO I WILL, UM, MAKE THAT CHANGE TO THE DRAFT LANGUAGE OF, YOU KNOW, REQUEST FUNDS TO PILOT THE PROGRAM AND THAT IT MAY END UP IN COST SAVINGS.
PLEASE BRING YOUR LIST OF THE SPECIFIC DATA THAT YOU'D LIKE, UM, BOTH TO HAACK AND HIS POLICY MEETING NEXT MONTH.
UM, AND SO, UM, ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
NEXT AGENDA ITEM RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE A DISCUSSION ON THE DRAFT POLICIES AND PROCEDURES RELATED TO THE POWERS OF AUTHORITY GRANTED TO THE HOMELESS SERVICES ADVISORY COMMITTEE BY THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCILS.
ALRIGHT, DISCUSSION, DOUG, YOU HAD A FEW THINGS YOU WANTED TO BRIEFLY SHARE.
I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION HERE AND WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO START WITH TODAY IS ONLY THE FIRST PAGE AND THE, THE FIRST STATEMENT ON THE SECOND PAGE TO, TO SEE IF WE CAN UNDERSTAND THIS, WHAT NOTIFICATIONS ARE.
IT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, I THINK.
AND THEN IF OTHER THINGS FALL OUT FROM OKAY.
SO I WENT ON A JOURNEY FOR OTHER REASONS TO KIND OF LOOK AT, WELL, WHAT AUTHORITY DO WE HAVE? YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT IS THE OFFICIAL AUTHORITY WE HAVE BEEN GRANTED 'CAUSE IT'S KIND OF CONFUSING.
DO DIFFERENT THINGS AT THE MEETINGS AND WE MAKE SUGGESTIONS AND WE HAVE THE ANNUAL PROCESS AND IT WAS A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING.
SO I WENT BACK AND TRIED TO EXTRACT FROM THE DOCUMENTS AND THESE ARE WHAT I COULD FIND.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO KNOW IS IF ANYBODY KNOWS OTHER DOCUMENTS, OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS FROM THE CITY THAT WE CAN ADD TO THIS, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT.
SO IT'S KIND OF BASIC, BUT, BUT I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS JUST KIND OF READ THROUGH THIS.
SO THERE, IT WAS CREATED, WE WERE CREATED IN 1988 AND, UH, BASED UPON, UH, THERE'S A DOCUMENT I NOTE IN THE BACK, LEMME REMEMBER THE NUMBER C, C 2, 4, 6 OH, WE WERE FORMED IN 1988 BY THE COUNCIL.
AND WE ARE TO REVIEW POLICIES, PROGRAMS, ACTIVITIES CONNECTED TO HOMELESS SERVICES AND TO SUBMIT RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE MAYOR AND THE CITY COUNCIL.
THAT IS VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT WE'RE TO DO ADDITIONALLY.
AND THEN BELOW THAT IT SAYS, REVIEWING EXISTING OR POTENTIAL PROGRAMS AND SERVICES FOR HOMELESS PERSONS AND MAKE POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS.
THAT WAS IN ANOTHER PART OF THAT DOCUMENT.
AND THEN BELOW THAT, AT THE SAME TIME, THEY DEFINE THE SCOPE OF THE POWERS VERY CLEARLY.
THIS IS LEGALESE, THIS IS LAWYER.
THE COMMITTEE SHALL LAWYER AND HR, THE COMMITTEE SHALL SERVE AND ACT ONLY IN THE PAST CAPACITY OF COLLECTIVE.
WE CAN'T ACT BY MAKING INDIVIDUAL SUGGESTIONS.
AT MEANS WE HAVE TO ACT AS A, AS A BODY ADVISORY BODY.
DO YOU THINK WE DON'T ACT LIKE AN ADVISORY BODY? THINK WE DO.
WE, WE, WE CAN, I THINK WE CAN QUICKLY GET THERE, BUT I THINK WE'RE DOING THINGS THAT ARE SPENDING A LOT OF TIME AND GIVE PEOPLE FALSE IMPRESSIONS ABOUT WHAT OUR AUTHORITY IS.
LET ME GIVE YOU AN, A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE.
AT OUR LAST MEETING, I KIND OF WENT INTO THIS, THERE WAS A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE, UH, THE WEBSITE AND THE LANGUAGE OF THE WEBSITE FOR HOMELESSNESS REVIEWED AND IMPROVED.
BASED UPON THIS, I I BELIEVE THE WAY IT SHOULD BE DONE IS THAT TOPIC SHOULD BE DISCUSSED BY THE COMMITTEE.
IF THE COMMITTEE AGREES IT SHOULD BE SUBMITTED TO THE POLICY SUBCOMMITTEE OR IT COULD BE SUBMITTED TO A SUBCOMMITTEE OF PEOPLE TO MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH WOULD THEN GO TO THE POLICY COMMITTEE, WHICH WOULD THEN GO INTO OUR ANNUAL RECOMMENDATIONS AT THE MEETING.
THERE WERE INDIVIDUALS WHO THOUGHT IT WAS GOOD TO JUST HAVE US DISCUSS IT SO WE COULD MAKE SUGGESTIONS AT THE MEETING THAT WE HAVE NO AUTHORITY TO MAKE A SUGGESTION TO PAUL OR ANYONE ELSE BASED UPON THIS.
ADDITIONALLY, IT'S NOT PAUL, IT'S THE DIRECTOR OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES, THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY COUNCIL THAT ARE OUR AUTHORITY.
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IS, PAUL HAD DOES AND COMMUNICATE.HE DOES THE FIRST PART OF COMMUNICATING TO US AND BRINGING INFORMATION TO US.
BUT HE IS NOT THE AUTHORITY THAT CAN SAY, I CAN DO THINGS TO CHANGE THE WEBSITE.
I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T TAKE THAT AS A RECOMMENDATION OF OUR COMMITTEE.
I TOOK THAT AS A DISCUSSION OF OUR COMMITTEE.
ANYTIME WE GET TOGETHER IN A COMMITTEE, I TAKE IT AS A DISCUSSION.
THE ONLY RECOMMENDATIONS I THINK WE DO IS WHEN WE DO THIS ANNUAL RECOMMENDATION, ANYTIME WE MEET, IT'S A DISCUSSION.
THERE'S NO, WE DON'T GIVE THEM ANY, LEMME BACK UP ANY RECOMMENDATIONS TO ANYBODY.
PLUS OUR ACTION IN THE COMMITTEE IS, IS BASIC TO LEAD, TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
THERE ISN'T ANY, IT'S ALL DISCUSSION.
IT'S ALL DEFINITELY THE, THE STAFF CAN CERTAINLY DO WHATEVER THEY WANT.
AND ACTUALLY WHEN, WHEN THIS, WHEN RESOLUTION, UH, 26, 624 600 WAS APPROVED, THERE WAS NO HOMELESS SERVICES STAFF, IT, IT, IT JUST WAS A PROBLEM.
AND SO, UM, I THINK SOME OF THE LANGUAGE IS, IS, IS STRUCTURED AS SUCH.
AND ACTUALLY OUR STAFFING IS THE DESIGNEE OF THE CITY CLERK, RIGHT, JENNIFER? YEAH.
IT'S THE CITY CLERK THAT IS OVER ALL OF THE, UM, ADVISORY COMMITTEES AND COMMISSIONS.
AND SO SHE IS THE ONE WHO SENDS US THE EMAILS THROUGH JENNIFER ABOUT THE WORKSHOPS THAT WE HAVE TO DO ABOUT THE TRAINING WE HAVE TO DO.
SO SHE, SHE, IT'S HER DEPARTMENT THAT IS IN CHARGE, NOT, NOT THE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES.
AS FAR AS THE, AND WE ONLY HAVE LIKE DISCUSSION, WAIT TIME, TIME OUT, TIME OUT.
WE'RE TALKING DIFFERENT THINGS.
AS FAR AS PROCEDURAL STUFF IN TERMS OF OUR MINUTES, IN TERMS OF OUR AGENDA, THAT IS THE CITY CLERK.
SO, BUT I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT STUFF.
SO IN TERMS OF, I'M TRYING OF, WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON IS, IS RECEIVE AND FILE, WHICH DOESN'T INCLUDE ANY ACTIONS TO THE STAFF.
WELL, MY IMPRESSION OF THE MEETINGS, AND MAYBE I'M TOTALLY CONFUSED AND IS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF ADVOCACY THAT GOES ON WITH PAUL AND THERE'S A, THERE'S A SENSE FROM SOME PEOPLE I'M GETTING IT, THAT PAUL MAY ABLE TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT MAY BE ABLE TO, I'VE HEARD THE DESCRIPTION.
WELL, HE SITS AT THE YOU, HE SITS AT THE TABLES AND HE CAN INFLUENCE, I WOULD SAY THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN, HE SHOULDN'T DO THAT.
HE SHOULDN'T DO WHAT, HE SHOULD NOT TAKE OUR SUGGESTIONS AT A MEETING, WHICH, WHICH COULD BE A SUGGESTION FROM ONE OR TWO PEOPLE, NOT FROM ALL OF US, AND THEN TAKE THAT AND INFLUENCE.
WHAT I DO, I WANNA DO A QUICK CHECK IN.
JENNIFER, I KNOW WE'VE GONE A LITTLE OVER ON TIME.
DO YOU HAVE TIME TO CONTINUE TO STAFF THE MEETING IF WE GO IN ADDITIONAL FIVE TO 10 MINUTES? YEAH, 10 MINUTES.
SO LET'S JUST STICK WITH THIS THING.
SO, UM, MAYBE TO ANSWER, MAYBE TO ANSWER ALL OF, KIND OF PULL THIS ALL TOGETHER, HOW COULD WE HAVE THE COMMITTEE MAKE SUGGESTIONS, HAVE ROBUST DISCUSSIONS ABOUT TOPICS? OKAY.
I THINK WHEN WE TAKE ON A TOPIC LIKE TINY HOMES, LET'S USE THAT AS AN EXAMPLE.
UH, WE ONLY THINK OF PAUL AS A INFORMATION RESOURCE.
SO WHEN WE HAVE A DISCUSSION, IT SHOULD BE A DISCUSSION OF THE COMMITTEE TALKING TO EACH EACH OTHER, NOT TALKING TO PAUL.
THE COMMITTEE SHOULD TALK ABOUT IT TO US TO DETERMINE IF WE WANT TO PURSUE THIS AS A POSSIBLE RECOMMENDATION.
I GUESS FROM MY STANDPOINT AS CHAIRING THE COMMITTEE, I DID NOT HAVE ANY EXPECTATION THAT PAUL WAS GONNA TAKE ANYTHING THAT WE SAID TO HIS.
I KNOW THIS IS NO EXPECTATION.
SO THIS IS NO, NO COMMENT ON ANYTHING.
I, I DON'T FEEL THAT THE WAY THE DISCUSSIONS ARE CONDUCTED, I, I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE PUT PRESSURE ON HIM TO DO ANYTHING THAT'S BEYOND HIS SCOPE OF WORK, UM, OR BEYOND THE SCOPE OF HIS COMMITTEE.
SO, UM, I WOULD, I TOTALLY AGREE IN THAT SOMETIMES THE, THE DISCUSSIONS AT OUR, UM, COMMITTEE MEETINGS, UM, GET QUITE ROBUST AND, AND NOT SURE WHERE THEY GO AT THE END.
BUT, UM, AT THE SAME TIME WE'RE RECEIVING AND FILING, YOU KNOW, AT AT SPEL WE HAVE, UM, A MEMO GOING TO THE COUNCIL, EXCEPT WHEN WE HAVE
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A MAYOR'S FUND APPLICANT TO APPROVE, WE'RE RECEIVING AND FILING.I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT ALSO.
THAT'S OUR ALSO AND ALSO ON VERY CLEARLY, THIS HAS GOTTA BE ADDED TO THAT.
PAUL HAS NO INFLUENCE ON ANY OF OUR DISCUSSION.
HE CAN'T TAKE THIS INFORMATION FROM A DISCUSSION AND INFLUENCE PEOPLE AT OTHER PE OTHER PEOPLE HE WORKS WITH.
THAT'S NOT, WE HAVE TO DO IT AS A GROUP, NOT AS INDIVIDUALS.
AND IT'S THROUGH THE ANNUAL RECOMMENDATIONS.
WELL, PERSONALLY, I DO NOT SEE, I MEAN, I DO NOT CONDUCT MYSELF IN THE COMMITTEE TO WHERE MY PERCEPTION IS THAT PAUL HAS AUTHORITY.
I KNOW FOR A FACT HE DOES NOT.
I TAKE IT AS WE'RE HAVING A DISCUSSION BECAUSE BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE, THERE WAS NO, NO CONVERSATION WHATSOEVER ABOUT HOMELESSNESS SERVICES.
SO ME PERSONALLY ON THIS COMMITTEE, I AM HAPPY TO BE HERE TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION BETWEEN THE CITY AND, UM, PEOPLE THAT LIVE OR WORK IN THE CITY.
I BELIEVE LIKE IT'S A VERY BIG DISCUSSION YOU SHOULD BE HAVING AND THAT IS WHY I FEEL LIKE THIS COMMITTEE IS IN PLACE.
BUT IT'S, I THINK THE COMMITTEE IS GREAT.
IT'S JUST, AND WE ONLY GET ONCE A YEAR TO BIT RECOMMENDATIONS.
I THINK THAT'S JUST BECAUSE WE ONLY DO THINGS ONCE A YEAR LIKE BUDGET AND THAT, I THINK IT SHOULD BE MORE.
BUT I REALLY DO BELIEVE LIKE HAVING OUR CONVERSATIONS FROM ALL DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES IN OUR DIFFERENT DISTRICTS IS REALLY KEEPS THE CONVERSATION GOING SO WE CAN MAKE REALLY GOOD RECOMMENDATIONS.
LET ME, BUT I, I GUESS, I DON'T KNOW, ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY LIKE, THERE'S, LIKE, WE SHOULD PUT A MEMO OUT THAT LIKE NO DEFINES SOME THINGS FOR PEOPLE? NO, I, WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS WE SHOULD CAREFULLY ANALYZE WHAT THIS SEEMS AND MAYBE PAUL COULD BE HERE TO CLARIFY WITH HIM, BUT I THINK THE TINY HOMES DISCUSSION, AND I'LL USE AN EXAMPLE THAT I THINK WILL BE MAKE IT CLEAR AND, AND IT'S FIRST OFF SAFETY.
I THINK YOU GUYS AND EVERYBODY AND ME WE'RE ALL TRYING VERY HARD AND WE'RE DOING VERY HARD WORK AND GOOD WORK AND CARING WORK.
UM, BUT GOING THROUGH, SEEING AS I WAS ON THE COMMITTEE, TAKING IN HOW THINGS WERE DONE AND VERY GOOD WORK, CARING, WHATEVER, AND THEN READING THIS, IT MADE ME REALIZE THERE WAS A DISCONNECT ABOUT WHAT CAN WE REALLY DO? HOW DO WE GET TO THAT? AND THEN WHAT DO WE DO IN THE MEETINGS? COULD WE DO A BETTER WAY OF DOING THAT? CREATING RECOMMENDATIONS LIKE A PIPELINE TO THE
COMMITTEE FOR RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE POLICY.
BUT I THINK THAT'S WHAT PAM IS SAYING IS THAT OUR DISCUSSIONS INFORM US, YOU KNOW, WITH THE STAFF PRESENTATIONS AND THE OTHER GUEST PRESENTATIONS INFORM US TO, TO DO THE, THE POLICY AND ANNUAL REPORT.
SO LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
AFTER THE TINY HOMES DISCUSSION MM-HMM
I WOULD VOTE AGAINST ANY RECOMMENDATION TO USE THE TINY HOMES FOR ANYTHING.
I THINK THEY, IT WAS A WONDERFUL IDEA, BUT I THINK THE PROBLEMS RELATED TO THE COST, THE PLUMBING AND THE NEIGHBORHOODS, I THINK YOU COULD LOCATE THIS IN CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT IF YOU, IF THIS WAS TO BE LOCATED.
WELL, THE LAST PLACE THEY LOOKED FOR THIS WAS ON A LOT IN, UH, OFF OF SPRING SPRING IN CALIFORNIA, WHERE THERE WERE NO PEOPLE.
THERE WAS A HOME DEPOT, NO POPULATION.
IT WAS JUST RIGHT THERE IN THE CORNER.
AND THE MEMBERS OF THE CITY DIDN'T LIKE IT.
WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THIS HERE.
NO, IT WAS BECAUSE IT WAS ADJACENT TO THE PARK.
AND IT WAS ALSO ON A, ON A SITE THAT HAD TOXIC, WELL, THAT COULD BE OIL DRILLINGS.
AND THERE WAS A NUMBER OF REASONS THAT WAS A MISPLACEMENT.
BUT, UM, BUT LET'S BESIDE THE POINT.
BESIDE THE POINT, BUT THE PEOPLE WHO WERE AGAINST THE PROJECT WERE NOT AGAINST THE PROJECT AS A PROJECT.
THEY WERE AGAINST PEOPLE COMING IN WHO HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CAR.
I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE COMMITTEE FROM THAT DISCUSSION ENGAGE IN A, ENGAGE IN A DISCUSSION AROUND, DOES THE COMMITTEE WANT TO FURTHER LOOK INTO TINY HOMES AS SOMETHING FOR A RECOMMENDATION? MY RECOMMENDATION AT THAT TIME AND NOW WOULD'VE BEEN NO.
IF THE COMMITTEE WANTED IT TO BE YES, THEN IT WOULD GO TO THE POLICY COMMITTEE.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE JUST LOOKING TO FORMALIZE IF THERE'S A ROBUST DISCUSSION ABOUT A POSSIBLE POLICY RECOMMENDATION AT HAY SAC, IT SHOULD BE FORMALLY, LET'S REFER THIS TO THE POLICY COMMITTEE FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION TO
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MORE THAN THAT.I THINK EVERY ONE OF OUR TOPICS, WE HAVE TO, BEFORE WE GET INTO MUCH DISCUSSION, THE PURPOSE OF THE DISCUSSION IS, THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THE DISCUSSION IS TO DETERMINE IF IT WILL HAVE A POLICY, IF IT WILL GO TO THE POLICY COMMITTEE, POTENTIALLY TO GEN, GENERATE AN ANNUAL RECOMMENDATION.
SO WHEN I'M SITTING THERE LISTENING TO THE TINY HOMES DISCUSSION, I HAVE NO IDEA THAT SOMEBODY WANTS TO CONTINUE TO DO THE WORK ON TINY HOMES.
I'VE GOT, I'M DONE WITH TINY HOMES.
THE, THE WHOLE WHAT WE'RE LEFT WITH IS JUST USELESS FROM MY PERSPECTIVE.
UM, WE CAN TRY TO SQUEEZE THINGS INTO IT, BUT WE'VE HAD THE ENTIRE CITY LOOK AT IT TO TRY TO SQUEEZE AND USE IT FOR SOME REASON.
AND THEY CAN'T FIND A WAY TO USE IT.
SO THE, THE PO WHAT I'M SAYING IS I HAVE STRONG CONVICTIONS THAT I DON'T WANT TO SUPPORT, THAT I WOULD SUPPORT THE COMMITTEE IN A VOTE MOVING FORWARD IN THE POLICY SUBCOMMITTEE TO DO THAT.
I MAY CONTINUE TO VOTE NO IN THE POLICY SUBCOMMITTEE, BUT EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE POLICY SUBCOMMITTEE MAY VOTE.
I WOULD COMPLETELY SUPPORT THE POLICY SUBCOMMITTEE RECOMMENDING IT AS A RECOMMENDATION.
IT, IT HAS UNIFIED UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE'RE DOING AT HA IT'S UNIFIED TO CREATE A POLICY DISCUSSION IN THE POLICY SUBCOMMITTEE.
THERE'S VOTING IN EACH STEP AND, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE VOTING TO RECOMMEND THE POLICY SUBCOMMITTEE.
DOUG, I THINK YOU KIND OF MISSED THAT.
I THINK YOU CAME IN LATER ON THAT PART.
BUT WE DID, IN OUR BIG COMMITTEE, WE DID HAVE SEVERAL PRESENTATIONS ON TINY HOMES AND SAFE ENCAMPMENTS.
AND DEVOTED AS A COMMITTEE TO GO AHEAD AND PUT IN THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO WHEN WE DIDN'T MEET AS A POLICY COMMITTEE, WE NARROWED IT DOWN TO PUT IT INTO THE RECOMMENDATION.
SO WE DID HAVE A PIPELINE FOR THAT.
I THINK YOU MISSED NO, YOU WEREN'T HERE YET.
YOU WERE NOT ON THE COMMITTEE YET BEFORE WE HAD THE TINY INVESTIGATION.
I'M TALKING ABOUT OUR LAST DISCUSSION, BUT THE LAST, BUT THAT'S STILL A DISCUSSION.
WE ASKED HIM QUESTIONS AND PAUL SAID PAUL GAVE NO INDICATION THAT THEY COULD BE USED FOR ANYTHING ELSE.
BASED UPON THAT, I WOULD VOTE NO FOR ANY FURTHER USE.
BUT WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT WHAT IF, IF YOU'RE AN INDIVIDUAL AND THIS IS A COMMITTEE
I SHOULD'VE VOTED NO, IT SHOULD HAVE NOT GO TO THE POLICY SUBCOMMITTEE.
I WANT YOU TO YEAH, BUT IT WASN'T BUT DOUBLE TIMES WHEN YOU VOTE.
NO, IT, IT WASN'T ON THE AGENDA AS SUCH.
IT WAS JUST A STAFF PRESENTATION.
INFORMATION ONLY RECEIVE AND FILE.
AND THINGS OVERLAP ON THE AGENDA.
SO IF WE WANTED TO DO, IF, IF WE WANTED TO DO SOMETHING ELSE BESIDES WHAT IS WRITTEN ON THE AGENDA, THEN SOMEBODY HAS TO MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
SO JENNIFER, IS THAT WHAT WE SHOULD DO IN THE FUTURE? FOR EXAMPLE, IF DOUG SAYS, I'M UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT THE TINY HOMES, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD SPEND ANY MORE TIME ON IT.
WOULD THE CORRECT THING FOR HIM TO DO THEN IS TO SAY, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A MOTION THAT WE REFER THIS TO THE POLICY COMMITTEE FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA.
I CAN, UH, CHECK BACK WITH CITY CLERK JUST TO VERIFY.
UH, BUT I DON'T WANT IT TO GO TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
SHE, SHE, SHE WAS JUST SAYING IF WE WANTED TO HAVE THE POLICY, HOW COULD, HOW COULD WE, OKAY, GOOD QUESTION.
THERE WASN'T, IT WOULD STILL HAVE TO TAKE A VOTE.
AND IT WASN'T THE, THE PRESENTATION GIVEN TO US WASN'T INVITING US TO, TO DISCUSS ALTERNATIVES.
UM, AND MAYBE THAT'S WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT NOW.
BUT, UM, THE, THE RECOMMENDATION AS GENOCIDES WAS TO RECEIVE IN FILE.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S, AND THAT YOU CAN HAVE DISCUSSION ON THE TOPIC OF RECEIVING IN FILE, YOU KNOW, THE TOPIC.
THAT'S TO BE RECEIVED IN FILE.
WE CAN HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS, WHICH WE DID.
UM, I MEAN THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THE HOMELESS SERVICES ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS TO PROVIDE A PUBLIC, I'M, I'M, I AGREE WITH YOU FOR DISCUSSION.
SO IT WAS, BUT IT HAS TO BE DONE THROUGH, UH, ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER, THROUGH THE BROWN ACT, THROUGH PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURES.
THEN I HAVE ONE QUESTION RELATED TO THAT.
CAN ONE PERSON, WHEN NOBODY ELSE AGREES, CAN ONE PERSON MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE POLICY COMMITTEE TO HAVE FURTHER EXPLORATION? OR DO WE NEED A VOTE TO DETERMINE? DO YOU NEED A MOTION? HUH? YOU NEED A MOTION THAT'S APPROVED BY THE COMMITTEE.
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NO MOTION, THEN IT'S NOT TO BE DISCUSSED AT THE POLICY COMMITTEE.'CAUSE WE'RE DISCUSSING TINY HOMES.
WE'RE STARTING TO GET INTO TINY HOMES.
BUT WE, NOT UNLESS IT'S ON OUR AGENDA.
BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHY? IT'S ON OUR, YOU KNOW WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TINY HOMES? BECAUSE IT OVERLAPS WITH SAFE, SAFE SLEEP.
AGAIN, I DON'T SUPPORT TINY HOMES AND IT OVER, BUT IT OVERLAPS WHY IN HERE? I DON'T IT.
SO I THINK WE NEED FORMALITY AND CLARITY.
WE DID HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT, UM, RECOMMENDATION NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS POTENTIAL WAYS.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE NEED TO KIND OF DISCUSS OUR PROCEDURE, DISCUSS WHAT CAN BE DISCUSSED BY, I'M NOT GONNA STAY ON THIS COMMITTEE IF IT CONTINUES LIKE THIS.
BECAUSE I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS I FEEL AS IF WE'RE EXTENDING OUR AUTHORITY IN OUR MEETINGS, GIVING A FEEL THAT PEOPLE WE'RE INFLUENCING PAUL AND THE OTHER MEMBERS WHEN THERE'S ACTUALLY LANGUAGE THAT SAYS IT'S VERY MINIMAL SUPPORT THAT THEY'RE TO PROVIDE.
THEY'RE, THIS IS ON THEIR EXTRA TIME.
AND THEN I THINK LASTLY, I THINK THINGS ARE THINGS WE NEED A BETTER WAY TO HAVE THE COMMITTEE VOTE AND RECOMMEND WHAT GOES TO THE POLICY COMMITTEE.
AND I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER SEEN THAT HAPPEN.
I'VE BEEN ON ALL OF OUR MEETINGS.
I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER DISCUSSED THE TOPIC AND SAID, OKAY, NOW IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? DO WE, HAVE WE VOTED, DO WE WANT THIS TINY HOMES OR WHATEVER.
IT'S, I I SHOULDN'T USE TINY HOMES.
DO WE WANT THIS TO GO TO THE POLICY COMMITTEE? AND IF MORE THAN HALF OF THE PEOPLE DON'T WANT IT, IT DOESN'T GO IF MORE THAN HALF WANTS TO, IT GOES, IT CAN'T BE FROM IT.
YOU KNOW, WE CAN ADD ON AT OUR MEETING ADDITIONAL THINGS AS, AS SUGGESTIONS, BUT TO, TO THEN HAVE THE, THE BIG COMMITTEE DISCUSS IT.
AND THEN WE COME BACK AND WE MAKE DISCUSSION.
THEY MAY NOT WANT US TO DO THIS.
BUT WE ALWAYS COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION.
AND I THINK YOU'RE MISSING THAT PART.
WE COME BACK AND WE TALK ABOUT IT HERE AND THEN WE BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE.
WHEN WE DO THIS, THAT'S ALL THE DISCUSSION SUBCOMMITTEE REPORTS.
SAME WITH THE SAME WITH THE MAYOR'S FUND.
IT'S ALWAYS, IT'S ALWAYS WHAT'S DISCUSSED IN THE SUBCOMMITTEE BROUGHT TO THE LARGER COMMITTEE.
AND THEN WE'RE USUALLY VOTING IN THE LARGER COMMITTEE.
I, I HAVEN'T THOUGHT, THIS HAS BEEN VERY CLEAR TO ME.
AND I THINK ON ONE HAND, I'M NOT ARGUING THAT I WANT TO KILL IT.
I, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE TRANSPARENCY TO THE COMMITTEE THAT THEIR PRIMARY PURPOSE IS TO UNDER ONLY UNDERSTAND THE PRESENTATION AND FROM THAT INFORMATION DEVELOP POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS.
ALL OF THE DISCUSSION WE'RE HAVING, THERE NEEDS TO HAVE END UP IN A DISCUSSION AROUND, IS THIS GOING TO LEAD TO A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE POLICY? AND THEN IF, IF THERE IS A MOTION OR WHATEVER WE VOTE, IS IT TO GO TO THE POLICY COMMITTEE OR NOT? THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.
BECAUSE THERE MAY BE TIMES WHERE I FEEL LIKE IT SHOULD GO TO THE POLICY COMMITTEE, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF QUIET PEOPLE IN THE ROOM.
DO THEY WANT IT TO GO TO THE POLICY COMMITTEE? THEY MAY NOT THINK IT'S THAT IMPORTANT.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE FINE AT THE END OF AN ISSUE AREA DISCUSSION TO SAY, IS THIS SOMETHING WE WANT TO REFER TO THE POLICY COMMITTEE? I THINK THAT WOULD BE FINE.
THERE NEEDS TO BE A MOTION AND A VOTE.
NOT JUST, IT COULD BE NOT JUST A NOD, NOT JUST OKAY.
I GUESS THE GRAY IS THAT THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING REALLY WRITTEN ABOUT THE SUBCOMMITTEES AND THEIR FUNCTIONS AND THEIR AUTHORITY, EXCEPT FOR THE MAYOR'S FUND.
'CAUSE WE USED TO DO THE MAYOR'S FUND WITH THE WHOLE COMMITTEE.
WE DIDN'T HAVE A SUBCOMMITTEE.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S NOT ANY, UM, GUIDANCE WITH THE, WITH THE WORK FOR THE WORK OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
SO, UM, WE'VE, WE'VE FORMULATED THESE SUBCOMMITTEES DURING THE PANDEMIC AS A WAY TO, UM, BECOME MORE, UM, RELEVANT, EFFICIENT.
EFFICIENT AND RELEVANT, I GUESS.
AND SO, UM, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THE SUBCOMMITTEE SHOULD USE ERP.
WHAT IS CLEARLY STATED THAT IT'S THE HAS THAT MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS.
IT'S NOT AN INDIVIDUAL, A GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS.
SO HOW DO YOU SEE IT AS DIFFERENTLY THAN THAT? YEAH.
DO YOU SEE IT THAT WE'RE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS? I WANT EVERY, I WANT ANYTHING THAT'S CONSIDERED FOR REC.
AND WE WE BRING IT TO THE BIG COMMITTEE.
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WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE MISSING IT.I THINK WE'RE GETTING VERY, AND WHAT I SAY, I'M JUST SAYING, I'M JUST SAYING ASK NEEDS TO REFER THINGS TO THIS COMMITTEE.
WHY DON'T WE, BUT NOT DO WHY THEY DON'T PEOPLE DO WE NEED TO VOTE? OKAY.
I THINK WE CAN ALSO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION AT THE HAYAT COMMITTEE BECAUSE TO YOUR POINT, IF THIS IMPACTS EVERYONE ON THE COMMITTEE, WHY WOULD WE AS A SMALL GROUP, AS THE POLICY SUBCOMMITTEE, DETERMINE HOW THIS IS DONE UHHUH, SO WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION AT THE GENERAL SAC COMMITTEE MEETING.
AND I THINK WE PROBABLY NEED TO CONCLUDE THIS DISCUSSION.
AND I THINK THAT'S JUST, IS THAT IT FOR OUR AGENDA? YEAH.
CAN WE JUST GET A VOTE FOR THE FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS AND WE'LL JUST, UM, YES.
ANYTHING WE SHOULD PUT ON THE FUTURE AGENDA IN ADDITION TO, WE'RE GONNA KEEP WORKING ON OUR POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO MY OBSERVATION AT THOSE COMMITTEE MEETINGS IS THAT, UH, SOMETIMES IT SEEMS LIKE THE TAIL IS WAGGING THE DOG BECAUSE, UM, A LOT OF THE, A LOT OF THE DISCUSSION TIME THAT WE SHOULD BE HAVING IS SPENT ON THESE LONG PRESENTATIONS AND REPORTS.
AND THERE ISN'T A WHOLE LOT OF TIME LEFT AT THE END TO DISCUSS H SAC BUSINESS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S JUST MY OBSERVATION AS, UH, SOMEBODY WHO WASN'T IN THE MEETINGS FOR A LONG TIME AND JUST WAS AN OBSERVER.
BUT, BUT I REMEMBER SITTING THROUGH HALF HOUR PRESENTATIONS BY PAUL AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM SHORTENED A BIT BY MAYBE DELEGATING A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME FOR EACH PRESENTATION.
SO WE ARE SURE THAT THERE IS PLENTY OF TIME AT THE END.
AND AS FAR AS THE POLICIES, I THINK THAT SUGGESTIONS FOR THE POLICIES SHOULD COME OUT OF THE HSAC COMMITTEE, CONSIDERING ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS THAT ARE THERE, NOT JUST THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
AND I THINK THE SUBCOMMITTEE SHOULD BE THE ONES WHO FORMULATE THE SUBSTANCE FOR EVERYTHING.
SO WHEN, WHEN WE DO OUR SUBCOMMITTEE REPORTS, AND THEN, UM, MAYBE, MAYBE SARAH, IF WE COULD DO IT IN, IN WRITING, AND THEN IT COULD BE SENT OUT AS PART OF THE PACKET.
AND, YOU KNOW, AND PAUL'S PRESENTATIONS ARE ALWAYS INCLUDED IN THE PACKET.
SO IT'S, IT, IT, IT, IT'S UP TO US.
IF WE DON'T WANT THE PRESENTATION AND JUST WANT QUESTIONS, WE CAN DO THAT.
YOU KNOW? UM, I'M ALL FOR BEING MORE RELEVANT AND BE BEING AWARE OF PEOPLE'S TIME.
I HAVE SUGGESTED THAT BEFORE TOO, WHEN I STARTED.
SO, I DUNNO, I KNOW PEOPLE DIDN'T TAKE IT.
AND AS FAR AS THE LITTLE IDEAS THAT COME UP WHILE DURING THE YEAR, HOW, HOW ARE WE GONNA DEAL WITH THOSE? ARE THEY GONNA BECOME PART OF THE POLICY OR WHAT? THEY COULD BE REFERRED TO US.
THEY COULD BE REFERRED TO US TO BE A PART OF
AND HOW OFTEN ARE WE GONNA UPDATE THIS? ONLY ONCE A YEAR.
UM, I AGREE THAT WE DO NEED MORE INFLUENCES WITHIN THE CITY.
WE NEED MORE CITY PEOPLE WHO DIRECTLY, THERE AREN'T ANY THAT'S NOT, NOT INFLUENCES, BUT WE NEED, PROBABLY NEED MORE CITY PEOPLE WHO DO MAKE THESE DECISIONS TO SHOW UP AT OUR MEETINGS.
NOT JUST PAUL, BUT, BUT WE WILL OFFER THE FORMAL RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THEM.
AND WE DISCUSSED EARLIER, HOW DO WE GET TO MAKE A PRESENTATION AT CITY COUNCIL? AND SO I THINK WE'RE AIMING TO DO THAT THIS YEAR AS OPPOSED TO JUST THE WRITTEN EMAIL THROUGH THIS, UH, THE ANNUAL REPORT FORMAT.
SO I AGREE, BUT CITY COUNCIL WOULD NEED TO CHANGE THIS OFFICIALLY TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.
'CAUSE THEY, THIS WHAT IS THIS THE AGENDA? NO, THE, THE, THE CHARTER C WHATEVER.
IF THEY DID IT FOR US, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO IT FOR ALL THE OTHER COMMISSIONS.
ARE THEY GONNA DO THAT? NO, WE THINK IN ADDITION TO, YOU KNOW.