Mar 25, 2025 Cultural Heritage Commission

PLEASE BE SEATED.

WE'LL NOW HAVE THE SWEARING OF THE WITNESSES.

IF YOU ARE GOING TO GIVE TESTIMONY, PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE EVIDENCE YOU SHALL GIVE IN THE CULTURAL HERITAGE COMMISSION MEETING SHALL BE THE TRUTH, WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.

A RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE DIRECTOR'S REPORT.

MOVING ON TO THE REGULAR AGENDA, MADAM CLERK.

ITEM NUMBER ONE IS

[1. 25-54779 Recommendation to receive and file Director’s Report. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]

MAY I HAVE A MOTION? AND A SECOND? WE HAVE A MOVE, MOVE BY COMMISSIONER HUNTER.

AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER VICE.

VICE COMMISSIONER GFIS.

WE'LL NOW HAVE THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT.

THANK YOU, CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS.

UH, WANNA START OUT BY SAYING HAPPY WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH, UH, AS WE CELEBRATE EACH YEAR IN MARCH.

THERE WAS A REALLY FANTASTIC PRESENTATION LAST WEEK AT THE CITY COUNCIL IN COLLABORATION, UM, WITH MANY OF OUR, UM, HISTORIC AND CULTURAL, UH, PRESERVATION PARTNERS, UM, REGARDING THE HISTORY OF, UM, WOMEN LEADERS HERE IN LONG BEACH.

AND WE CURRENTLY HAVE A SUPER MAJORITY ON OUR CITY COUNCIL OF WOMEN, SIX OUT OF NINE, WHICH IS THE FIRST TIME IN OUR HISTORY.

SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE GOT TO CELEBRATE.

I ALSO WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU THAT, UM, OUR MILLS ACT APPLICATION CYCLE DID CLOSE A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.

ON MARCH 14TH, WE DID RECEIVE 17 APPLICATIONS, WHICH STAFF ARE NOW PROCESSING.

UM, AND THAT WAS AFTER TWO VERY WELL ATTENDED WORKSHOPS.

THE FIRST WORKSHOP HAD 120 PARTICIPANTS, BOTH VIRTUAL AND IN PERSON.

AND THE SECOND WORKSHOP HAD, UH, 42 PARTICIPANTS.

SO DELIGHTED, UH, FOR THAT AND LOOK FORWARD TO PROCESSING THOSE APPLICATIONS, WHICH WILL COME BEFORE THIS BODY

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LATER THIS YEAR.

AND, UH, UH, HOUSEKEEPING ANNOUNCEMENT FOR THE COMMISSIONERS, AS WELL AS ANY STAFF WHO HAVE NOT DONE THIS YET.

BUT APRIL 1ST IS COMING SOON, AND WE'RE ALL REQUIRED TO FILE OUR FORM 700 BY APRIL 1ST.

SO IF YOU HAVE NOT DONE SO ALREADY, UH, PLEASE DO SO.

IF YOU NEED HELP LOGGING IN, UH, TO THE SYSTEM OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, FEEL FREE TO GRAB ANY OF US AT THE STAFF TABLE AND WE CAN HELP TROUBLESHOOT THAT.

UH, THAT CONCLUDES MY DIRECTOR'S REPORT.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT? IF THERE ARE NONE, WE'LL NOW TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT.

ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT, PLEASE STAND TO THE PODIUM.

IF THERE ARE NOT, UH, VIRTUALLY.

IF THERE ARE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE USE THE RAISE HAND FEATURE.

IF DIALING IN TELEPHONICALLY, PRESS STAR NINE.

AND COMMISSIONER PADILLA PEREZ.

SCENE NONE.

THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS ITEM.

THANK YOU, MADAM CLERK.

UH, MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL FOR THE VOTE.

COMMISSIONER HUNTER.

YES.

YES.

MOTION IS CARRIED.

THANK YOU COM.

UM, AT OUR NEXT ITEM, ITEM NUMBER

[2. 25-54780 Recommendation to approve the minutes for the Cultural Heritage Commission meeting of Tuesday, February 25, 2025. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]

TWO IS A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR THE CULTURAL HERITAGE COMMISSION MEETING OF TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 25TH, 2025.

MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? AND A SECOND.

THE MOTION HAS BEEN APPROVED BY COMMISSIONER PRYOR AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER PADILLA PEREZ.

COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY 25TH, 2025? IF THERE ARE NONE, WE'LL NOW TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE MINUTES FROM THE MEETING ON FEBRUARY 25TH.

IF THERE ARE NONE VIRTUALLY, IF THERE ARE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE USE THE RAISE HAND FEATURE.

IF DIALING IN TELEPHONICALLY, PRESS STAR NINE.

SEEING NONE, THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS ITEM.

MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL FOR THE VOTE.

MOTION IS CARRIED.

IS A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND ADOPT THE PROPOSED FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THERETO FOR AN ADAPTIVE REUSE PROJECT TO CONVERT A FORMER FIRE STATION BUILDING INTO A BAKERY LOCATED AT 39 1 7 LONG BEACH BOULEVARD IN THE COMMUNITY AUTOMOBILE ORIENTED ZONING DISTRICT.

MOVING ON TO OUR FIRST AGENDA ITEM, MADAM CLERK, WOULD YOU PLEASE READ ITEM NUMBER THREE? ITEM NUMBER THREE

[3. 25-54781 Recommendation to approve a Certificate of Appropriateness and adopt the proposed findings and conditions of approval thereto, for an adaptive reuse project (associated with Case No. 2412-07 [SPR24-067]) to convert a former fire station building into a bakery located at 3917 Long Beach Boulevard in the Community Automobile-Oriented (CCA) Zoning District. The project will alter both the interior and exterior portions of the designated historic landmark known as Former Fire Station No. 9. (District 5) Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]

THIS PROJECT WILL ALTER BOTH THE INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR PORTIONS OF THE DESIGNATED HISTORIC LANDMARK, KNOWN AS FORMER FIRE STATION NUMBER NINE, DISTRICT FIVE.

MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO HEAR THIS ITEM? AND A SECOND MOTION TO APPROVE BY COMMISSIONER HUNTER AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER PISO.

WE'LL NOW HAVE THE PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU, CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS.

OUR SENIOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION PLANNER, ALEJANDRO PLACENCIA, WILL BE PROVIDING THE PRESENTATION TODAY.

THIS HAS BEEN A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT.

YOU'LL REMEMBER THAT WE SAW THE, UH, LANDMARKING REQUEST FOR THIS PROJECT A WHILE BACK.

UM, AND AS YOU KNOW, A LANDMARK DOES NEED TO COME BACK FOR ANY EXTERIOR CHANGES.

SO THIS IS THAT NEXT STEP IN THE PROCESS TO TRY TO, UM, HAVE THE STRUCTURE BE ADAPTIVELY REUSED.

WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO ALEJANDRO.

EFFORT DURING THE PERIOD, UM, FIRE STATION NINE'S.

UH, LET'S SEE.

SO, YES, AS MENTIONED, WE'RE HERE TONIGHT, UH, FOR THE PRESENTATION AT 39 17 LONG BEACH BOULEVARD.

UH, THIS COMMISSION, UH, DESIGNATED THIS, UH, BUILDING AS AN HISTORIC LANDMARK, UH, THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE ADAPTIVE REUSE AND THE CONVERSION OF, UH, THE BUILDING INTO A BAKERY.

SO THERE'S A LONG HISTORY HERE OF THE BUILDING.

UH, IT WAS BUILT IN 1938, UM, BY W HORACE AUSTIN.

IT'S A TUDOR STYLE, UH, BUILDING.

UH, IT HAS A SIGNIFICANT ASSOCIATION WITH THE WPA, UH,

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UM, IN 2019, UH, FAST FORWARDING THERE, UH, THERE WAS, UM, SOME ISSUES THERE WITH, UH, THAT NEEDED TO BE, UH, VACATED.

THE BUILDING WAS DETERMINED, UH, UNINHABITABLE AT THE TIME.

UH, SO FOR MOVING FORWARD, UH, NOVEMBER, 2022, UH, THERE WAS A BID, UH, BY THE CITY, UH, TO PUT THE BUILDING FOR SALE.

UM, SUBSEQUENTLY A NOMINATION TOOK PLACE.

THAT WAS WHEN THE LANDMARK NOMINATION CAME BEFORE THIS COMMISSION HERE.

UH, AND IN NOVEMBER, 2023, UH, THE COMMISSION APPROVED IT.

UH, THEN IN FEBRUARY, 2024, I WENT TO CITY COUNCIL FOR FINAL APPROVAL.

AND IN JULY, 2024, UH, THIS PROPERTY WAS TRANSFERRED OVER, UH, TO THE CURRENT OWNERS, UH, WHICH ARE TOLENTINO, UH, PROPERTIES, LLC.

SO JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY HERE, UH, THE BUILDING IS JUST BETWEEN, UH, LONG BEACH BOULEVARD AND VIRGINIA ROAD.

UH, IT'S SORT OF A, A TRIANGLE SHAPED PORTION OF BLOCK THERE.

UH, THE PARCEL OF THE PROPERTY IS ABOUT 5,800 SQUARE FEET.

UH, THE BUILDING IS ALMOST EXACTLY THE SAME SIZE.

IT'S ABOUT 5,500 SQUARE FEET.

UH, SOME OF THE ZONING AND GENERAL PLAN INFORMATION IS LOCATED HERE.

AND ON THIS, UH, PHOTO, THE BUILDING IS THERE, UM, OUTLINED IN RED.

UH, HERE ARE BOTH SOME, UH, A HISTORIC PHOTO, A CURRENT PHOTO, AND THEN THE PROPOSED, UH, RENDERING FOR, FOR THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING.

UH, AS MENTIONED BEFORE, THIS IS A REQUEST TO REUSE THE BUILDING AND CONVERT IT INTO A BAKERY, UH, COFFEE SHOP FACILITY.

UH, THE REQUEST INCLUDES BOTH, UH, EXTERIOR CHANGES AS WELL AS INTERIOR CHANGES.

UH, WE POINT OUT THE INTERIOR CHANGES BECAUSE PARTS OF THIS BUILDING'S INTERIOR, UH, WERE, UH, DESIGNATED AS PART OF THE APPROVAL FOR PROTECTION.

UH, THESE ARE SOME OF THE HISTORIC PLANS THAT WE HAVE, UH, HERE IN THE CITY.

WE'RE ABLE TO FIND THESE IN THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.

UH, THESE ARE FROM W HORSE AUSTIN.

UH, THE TITLE BLOCK IN THE RIGHT BOTTOM CORNER SHOWS THAT FOR, UH, EVERYBODY HERE.

SO, MOVING ON.

UH, THIS HAS JUST GIVEN YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT'S OUT ON SITE NOW.

UH, IT'S STILL GENERALLY, UH, WELL INTACT.

THERE HAVE BEEN SOME ALTERATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE TO THE BUILDING, INCLUDING THE ROOFING MATERIAL WAS ORIGINALLY WOOD SHINGLE.

UH, THE EXTERIOR STUCCO SIDING HAS BEEN ALTERED.

UH, MOST OF THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS HAVE BEEN, UH, REPLACED WITH, UH, ALUMINUM WINDOWS.

AND SOME OF THOSE WINDOW OPENINGS HAVE BEEN RESIZED.

HERE WE GO.

SO, AS MENTIONED, UH, THERE ARE PARTS OF THE BUILDING THAT WERE, ARE ON THE INTERIOR THAT WERE, UH, CONDITIONALLY PROTECTED, UM, UH, AS CONDITION, UM, OR CONDITIONALLY PROTECTED IN THE STANDPOINT THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW AT THE TIME WHO WOULD PURCHASE IT AND WHAT THE PROPOSED USE WOULD BE, UH, AT THE TIME OF DESIGNATION.

SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE AREAS THAT ARE CALLED OUT, UH, THAT, FOR THAT INTERIOR PROTECTION, INCLUDING THE, UH, CEILING TRUSS IN THE APPARATUS ROOM, UH, IN THE FIREPLACE, AND, UM, BOOKSHELVES, UH, IN THAT AREA AS WELL.

UH, SOME OF THE DOORS ON THE INTERIOR, YOU'LL SEE THOSE AS WELL.

AND YOU SEE IN THE MIDDLE, UH, JUST SNAPSHOTS FROM THE HISTORIC PLANS.

AND SO AT THIS POINT, I'LL, I'LL SHOW YOU THE PICTURES A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DETAIL SO YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THOSE FEATURES THAT WERE, UH, CALLED OUT IN THE INTERIOR.

UH, SO THIS IS THE AREA WITH THE FIREPLACE, UH, THE BUILT-INS, UH, THAT WAS ONE OF THE ITEMS, UH, ON THE LIST TO, TO BE PROTECTED.

UH, DOWN IN THE SECOND ROW, YOU'LL SEE THE CHALKBOARD, WHICH IS ALSO AN ONE THAT WAS, UH, CALLED OUT TO, TO BE PROTECTED AS WELL.

THIS IS A PHOTO.

UH, THE RED DOOR ITSELF IS THE ACTUAL FRONT DOOR TO THE BUILDING ON LONG BEACH BOULEVARD.

THERE IS A SECOND DOOR, UH, WHICH IS, UH, THE GRAY DOOR THERE WITH THE, UM, WITH THE, UH, SORT OF UPPER, UH, GLASS THERE.

UH, THERE'S TWO DOORS TO THE BUILDING.

THE GRAY DOOR ITSELF IS ACTUALLY SEALED FROM THE INTERIOR, UH, BUT THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING TO KEEP IT.

SO THERE'LL BE, UH, TWO DOORS THERE.

BUT THOSE ARE BOTH THE ORIGINALS AND WILL MAINTAIN STAY IN THIS PROJECT.

UH, ADDITIONAL PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE LOCKER ROOM.

UH, THIS WAS A FIRE DEPARTMENT, SO THEY HAD A LOCKER ROOM HERE.

UH, SO THESE ARE JUST, UH, SOME OF THE CABINETS, CABINETRY AS PART OF THE LOCKER ROOM.

UH, THE EITHER ITEM, UH, IN THE INTERIOR IS THE STAIRCASE.

UH, SO THE STAIRCASE WILL STAY INTACT, UH, WITH ONE EXCEPTION TO, UH, MAKE IT MEET BUILDING CODE.

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THIS IS THE CEILING TRUSS IN THE FIRE APPARATUS ROOM.

SO THIS IS WHERE THE, UH, FIRE TRUCKS, UH, WOULD PARK, UH, THE, THE CEILING TRUSS THERE, THE WOOD CEILING THERE WILL STAY, UH, INTACT.

UH, BUT WE'LL HAVE A, A DROPDOWN CEILING FOR HEALTH CODES.

UH, THIS IS THE FIRE HOSE TOWER.

UH, ANOTHER ITEM, UH, ON THE LIST, UH, THE BUILDING HAD A, A VAULT, UH, WHICH IS OUTLINED THERE IN RED.

UH, THERE'S AN EXTERIOR DOOR THERE, UH, THAT'LL BE REUSED AS PART OF THIS PROJECT.

UH, SWITCHING OVER TO THE LANDMARK DESIGNATION.

UH, WHEN THIS BUILDING WAS EVALUATED, THE EVALUATION, UH, WAS REALLY FOR THE HISTORY OF THE BUILDING AND WHAT IT MEANS FOR THE CITY.

UH, SO WHAT WE MEAN BY THAT IS IT'S, UH, IT HAS A SIGNIFICANT ASSOCIATION WITH THE WPA AT THE TIME.

UH, IT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THE TIME THAT THE CITY WAS GROWING, UH, WHERE, UH, CIVIC AND GOVERNMENTAL INFRASTRUCTURE WAS BEING DEVELOPED BY THE CITY AT A RAPID PACE, UH, TO KEEP UP WITH, UM, POPULATION GROWTH AND DEMANDS FOR PUBLIC SERVICES.

UH, THIS IS JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, ABOUT, UM, THE LANDMARK DESIGNATION.

UH, SO AS MENTIONED, UH, THE CHAIR EXTERIORS CALLED OUT TO BE PROTECTED.

UH, THERE WAS A PLAQUE THERE AT THE TIME, UH, BUT IT'S NO LONGER THERE.

UH, THAT WAS THE CONDITION TO, UH, BE REPLACED.

UH, AS PART OF THIS, UH, THERE WAS A CONDITIONAL PRESERVATION AS MENTIONED EARLIER, UH, DUE TO THE FACT THAT THERE WAS, UH, SOME UNCERTAINTY ABOUT HOW THE BUILDING WOULD BE REUSED.

UH, BUT THE ITEMS SHOWN IN THE PHOTOGRAPHS ARE JUST LISTED THERE IN BULLETS.

THE, THE ELEVATIONS AS WELL AS THE RENDERINGS AND COLOR THERE.

SO, GETTING INTO THE SPECIFIC SCOPE OF WORK, UH, THESE ARE OUTLINED IN TWO COLUMNS HERE, ONE FOR EXTERIOR AND THEN ONE FOR INTERIOR.

SO THE FIRST ONE STARTING IS REALLY THE EXTERIOR CHANGES.

YOU SEE THAT THERE ARE CHANGES TO, UH, EIGHT TOTAL WINDOWS ON THREE ELEVATIONS, UH, TWO, UH, WINDOW OPENINGS TO THE EXTERIOR DOORS.

UH, THERE WILL BE SOME A DA ACCESSIBILITY, UH, CHANGES THAT ARE GONNA HAPPEN AS IN THE FORM OF A CONCRETE RAMP AT THE FRONT, UH, ENTRY ON LONG BEACH FLOOR.

UH, NEW FENCING, UH, WILL BE INSTALLED.

UH, THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL VENTING ON THE HOSE TOWER, UH, THEN PAINTING AND ATCHING THE EXTERIOR, UH, A NEW REPLICA OF THE WPA THAT, UH, PLAQUE THAT WAS, UH, LOST IS, UH, WILL BE INSTALLED HERE.

UH, WINDOW AND DOOR REPLACEMENT WILL HAPPEN, UH, THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING.

AS FAR AS THE INTERIOR, WE SAW A LOT OF THE PHOTOGRAPHS JUST A LITTLE WHILE AGO.

BUT, UH, THIS IS THE LIST HERE.

UH, THE RECEPTION ROOM, CAPTAIN'S QUARTERS, THE REESE OF THE LOCKERS WILL BE WOOD PANELING IN THE HALLWAY, WHICH IS A REALLY GREAT AND CREATIVE IDEA.

THE VAULT ROOM WILL TURN INTO A TRASH ROOM.

THE FIRST FLOOR APPARATUS BAY WILL BECOME PART OF THE, UM, AREA IN THE BACK FOR PREP FOR THE KITCHEN.

UH, THE PARTITION OF THE APPARATUS BAY, UH, FOR DELIVERY, UH, WILL ALSO HAPPEN.

SO PART OF THE DOOR BEHIND, UH, PART ONE OF THE LARGE FIRE DOORS WILL, UM, OPEN A HALFWAY AND BE USED AS PART OF ITS DELIVERY SYSTEM.

UH, THE SECOND FLOOR AREA, UH, WILL JUST BECOME OFFICES IN A RESTROOM.

UH, THERE WILL ALSO BE SOME INTERIOR DOOR REPLACEMENT, AND THE CHALKBOARD WILL BE REUSED, UH, AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, UH, BUT WILL BE, UH, SLIGHTLY RESIZED TO ACCOMMODATE, UH, A DOOR TO A BATHROOM.

THESE ARE THE PLANS FOR THE BUILDING.

SO THE SITE PLAN, UH, THERE'S NO CHANGES TO THE SITE PLAN ITSELF OTHER THAN THE, UH, A DA RAMP AT THE FRONT.

UH, THE O THE OTHER CHANGE WILL BE THAT THE LANDSCAPING, UM, WILL ALSO, ON THE, UH, SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING, WILL BE EXTENDED TOWARDS THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE AS IT HISTORICALLY WAS.

AND THESE ARE THE PROPOSED FLOOR PLANS.

SO THE FLOOR PLANS WILL GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION AND DETAIL AS TO WHERE EVERYTHING WILL, UH, GO, UH, IN TERMS OF HOW THE, THE COFFEE SHOP WILL FUNCTION ITSELF.

SO AS YOU ENTER TO THE RIGHT, WILL BE THE MAIN SORT OF SERVICE POINT THERE.

THE CAFE, THE COUNTER, UH, WHERE YOU'LL PUT IN YOUR ORDERS.

THERE'S A SEATING AREA TO THE LEFT WHERE THE RECEPTION AREA WAS AT.

AND THEN BEHIND THAT, IT'S REALLY A LOT OF THE PRODUCTION AREA, THE SERVICE AREA, THE OVENS, UH, WALK-IN FREEZER, UH, PREP AREA.

AND SO THERE'S A WHOLE SORT OF, UM, SERVICE COMPONENT NEEDED IN THAT AREA.

AND THE SECOND FLOOR, AGAIN, UH, WILL JUST BE OFFICE AREAS.

THAT'S THE SMALLER FLOOR PLAN IDENTIFIED ON THE RIGHT.

SO ON THE EXTERIOR, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE ARE, UH,

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SO THESE CALL OUT MORE SPECIFICALLY WHAT THE CHANGES WILL BE AT EACH PARTICULAR SECTION.

SO AREAS ARE CALLED OUT FOR, UM, DIFFERENT COLORS, UH, STUCCO, PATCHING, UM, UH, THE WOOD TREATMENT, NEW ROOFING MATERIAL O UH, AS NEEDED.

AND, UH, THE GUTTERS WILL REMAIN INTACT, WHICH IS ANOTHER GREAT FEATURE ON THIS PROJECT.

AND HERE IT'S THE SAME THING, UH, ELEVATIONS AS WELL AS THE RENDERINGS HERE, UH, ON THE, LET'S SEE, ON THAT LOWER, UH, ELEVATION DRAWING AND, AND RENDERING, UH, THAT'LL BE ONE OF THE AREAS THAT HAS, UM, THE MOST OF THE, UM, OF THE WINDOWS THAT ARE BEING SEALED THERE.

UM, SO WHAT'S BEING DONE IS, IS THERE'S GOING TO BE AN OUTLINE, UH, OF THE BUILDING, UH, ALMOST LIKE A REVEAL TO SHOW THE ORIGINAL OPENINGS, UH, WHERE THOSE ORIGINAL WINDOWS WERE AT.

UH, THIS SHOWS YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DETAIL, UM, WHAT THIS WILL LOOK LIKE IN, IN THE RENDERING, UH, TO THE RIGHT.

UH, THERE IS GOING TO BE AN OUTDOOR PATIO AS PART OF THE, UH, BAKERY CAFES.

UH, SO THE PUBLIC CAN SIT DOWN, UH, ENJOY, UH, SOME BAKED GOODS, COFFEE, UH, AND THE OTHER RECEPTION AREA WILL ALSO BE AVAILABLE FOR, FOR THE PUBLIC AS WELL.

ON THE INSIDE, UH, THESE ARE JUST SOME THREE DS, UH, SHOWING YOU WHAT THE INTERIOR WILL LOOK LIKE.

SO THIS SHOWS YOU WHAT THE, UM, THIS, THE, UH, COUNTER AREA WILL LOOK LIKE.

UH, THE COUNTER, UH, SHOWN THERE AS A REGISTER.

SO THAT'LL BE SORT OF THE MAIN THING THAT GREETS YOU WHEN YOU, UH, ENTER, UH, THE, THE BUILDING.

UH, THE CABINETS ARE DOWN BELOW THE, THE COUNTER THERE.

UM, THOSE, I'M SORRY, THE, THE LOCKER ROOM DOORS WILL BE INSTALLED THERE IN THE HALLWAY.

UH, SO THOSE, THOSE WON'T BE LOST.

UH, SOME OF THEM WILL 'CAUSE THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH, UH, ROOM TO FILL, FILL THAT ENTIRE WALL UP WITH THOSE DOORS.

UH, BUT THEY WILL BE REUSED, WHICH I THINK IS A GREAT, UH, CREATIVE, UH, SOLUTION TO THAT.

UH, THE STAIRCASE WILL HAVE THE INSTALLATION OF, UM, A SMALL TWO PIPING TO JUST, UH, MAKE IT MEET THE CURRENT HEIGHT STANDARDS FOR THE BUILDING CODE, UH, SO THAT THERE'S, UH, NO SAFETY ISSUES THERE.

AGAIN, JUST SOME INTERIOR, UH, 3D UH, MODELS.

AND THESE ARE THE, THE CONDITIONS OF A, OF APPROVAL HERE FOR, FOR THIS PROJECT.

UH, SO AS YOU IMAGINE, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, WORK THAT GOES INTO A PARTICULAR, UM, ADAPTIVE REUSE ON IN THIS TYPE OF, UM, PROJECT.

UH, SO THIS IS THE LIST HERE OF THINGS THAT ARE, UH, INCLUDED.

SO SOME OF THESE INCLUDE, UH, ARCHITECTURAL SALVAGE, SO NOT ALL PORTIONS OF THE INTERIOR WILL BE ABLE TO, UH, BE REUSED.

UH, SO THERE'S A CONDITION IN THERE THAT THESE BE OFFERED UP, UH, FOR SALVAGE.

UH, WE MENTIONED THE, THE PLAQUE, UH, OR THERE ARE TWO PLAQUES, UH, ONE THAT IDENTIFIES THE HISTORY OF THE BUILDING WITH THE WPA, UH, IN THE CITY'S, UH, EARLY PERIOD, AS WELL AS A REPLICA OF THE, UH, PLAQUE THAT WE BELIEVE, UH, WAS STOLEN.

UH, THERE ARE CONDITIONS, UH, FOR MECHANICAL PERMITS SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND THE, THE VENTILATION PLAN FOR THE BUILDING, UH, AND SO THAT WE'RE PREPARED FOR THAT.

AND SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S NO MAJOR ALTERATIONS TO THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING.

UH, INFILL WINDOWS, AS WE MENTIONED, WILL HAVE A, A DEMARCATION OR REVEAL, AS WE MENTIONED, UM, ALL EXTERIOR CONDUIT UTILITIES, UH, THAT ARE NOT CURRENTLY IN USE OR ARE BEING CONDITIONED TO BE REMOVED.

UH, LASTLY, UH, WHILE WE HAVE PROPOSED COLORS, UH, HERE, UH, WE RECOMMEND AS A CONDITION THAT THE FINAL PAINT AND FINISH SELECTION BE, UM, REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING BUREAU.

UH, PRIOR TO ISSUANCE.

UH, ANOTHER CONDITION HAS BEEN ADDED FOR GUTTERS TO BE, UH, PROTECTED IN PLACE AND, UH, REUSED.

AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS JUST ABOUT INSTALLING LANDSCAPE ALONG THE INTERIOR SIDE YARD, UH, OF THE BUILDING, UH, SO THAT THERE JUST IS ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING AS PART OF THIS PROJECT.

UH, LASTLY, THESE ARE THE FINDINGS, UH, THAT THIS COMMISSION, UH, IS REQUIRED TO MAKE.

UH, IT'S OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT THIS PROJECT DOES MEET ALL THE FINDINGS HERE, AS WELL AS THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS.

UH, SO THE PLANNING BUREAU'S, UH, RECOMMENDATION IS TO SUPPORT THE PROJECT.

UH, THE PROJECT HAS MET ALL THE NOTICING REQUIREMENTS.

UH, THERE'S A, THERE IS ONE TYPO HERE.

IT SAYS, NO COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED AS PART OF THE PROJECT, BUT TWO, UH, WERE RECEIVED, BELIEVE THOSE WERE PROVIDED, UH, TO THE COMMISSION ALREADY.

AND THE PROJECT ITSELF IS, UH, EXEMPT UNDER, UH, C EQUA HERE.

UH, SO AS MENTIONED, IT'S PLANNING BUREAU'S, UH, RECOMMENDATION TO SUPPORT THE

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PROJECT, UH, TO CONVERT THE FORMER FIRE STATION INTO A BAKERY AT, UH, THE SITE HERE.

SO THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

UH, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, HAPPY TO, UM, ANSWER THEM.

THANK YOU FOR THAT REPORT, COMMISSIONERS.

AT THIS TIME, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE PRESENTATION? YES.

UH, COMMISSIONER PIZZA.

THANK YOU, ALEJANDRO.

THAT WAS, UM, A NICE PRESENTATION AND, UM, ANSWERED SOME OF THINGS I WAS THINKING ABOUT, BUT IT ALSO, UM, CREATED A FEW QUESTIONS FOR ME.

SO THE VAULT DOOR, UM, IT SET ON THE PLANS THAT I WAS LOOKING AT, THAT THAT 36 INCH DOOR WAS TO GET CHANGED TO 42.

BUT IN YOUR PRESENTATION, YOU SAID THAT DOOR IS REMAINING, UM, ON THE OUTSIDE AS IS, OR YOU DIDN'T MENTION THAT IT'S GETTING CHANGED, IS WHAT IS THE CORRECT INFORMATION.

WE ARE JUST LOOKING IT UP TO VERIFY.

NO PROBLEM.

THANK YOU, .

YEAH, I APOLOGIZE.

THAT WA THAT WAS A MISTAKE ON MY END.

YEAH, IT'S, I THINK, UH, NUMBER EIGHT IN THE INTERIOR ELEMENTS ON THE CONDITIONS APPROVAL.

I THINK IT SAYS CONVERSION OF THE VAULT INTO A TRASH ROOM AND WIDEN THE NON-ORIGINAL DOOR FROM 36 INCHES TO 42 INCHES.

DO WE KNOW WHY THAT NEEDS TO BE HAPPENING? UH, THAT'S JUST TO, TO GET MORE ACCESSIBILITY IN THERE, TO GET, UH, LARGER BINS, UH, INTO THE VAULT.

UM, AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION WAS THE REVEAL, YOU MENTIONED IT'S LITERALLY OF A, IS IT AN INSET OR A, I MEAN, IT'S A REVEAL TO SHOW THE LOCATIONS OF WINDOWS THAT ARE GETTING INFILLED, IS MY UNDERSTANDING.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT, YES.

DO WE HAVE ANY DETAIL ON THAT? HAVE ADDITION AND WE SPELLED IT OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DETAIL THERE.

UM, ONE SECOND.

17.

SORRY, I'M MAKING YOU WORK.

CONDITION NUMBER 17.

SO, YEAH, IF YOU LOOK AT CONDITION 17, IT, IT DESCRIBES THAT THE REVEAL SHALL BE ACHIEVED THROUGH A QUARTER INCH GROOVE THAT VISUALLY DOCUMENTS THE LOCATION LINE IN THE STUCCO.

THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT.

GREAT, THANK YOU.

UM, AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION WAS, , ON THE, UM, CHALKBOARD, I UNDERSTAND THE DOOR TO THE BATHROOM'S BEEN PLACED WHERE THE CHALKBOARD CURRENTLY IS.

CAN THAT CHALKBOARD BE IT? AND MAYBE THERE'S A QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT, BUT, UM, IS, IS THAT MOVABLE? IS IT ON THE WALL? IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ON THE WALL WITH A, WITH A MOLDING OR A FRAME? IS THAT THE, IS THAT THE CASE? DO WE KNOW ANY INFORMATION ON THAT? UH, THAT'S PROBABLY A QUESTION FOR ONE OF OUR APP FOR THE APPLICANT.

UH, WE CAN TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THE PHOTO, UH, JUST FOR, UH, REFERENCE.

AND WHILE YOU'RE PULLING THAT UP, I'LL ALSO POINT US TO CONDITION 14, THAT THE REMNANT MATERIAL FROM THE MODIFIED CHALKBOARD SHALL BE INCORPORATED INTO THE INTERIOR OF THE BAKERY USE, OR AS PART OF THE OUTDOOR DECORATION.

SO THE INTENT IS TO STILL REUSE IT, IT IS JUST THE LOCATION IS CHALLENGING FOR THE OPERATIONS THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE HERE.

PUT IT, YEAH, I WAS JUST, I I, AND WE CAN ASK, I'LL ASK THE APPLICANT ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF MOVING THE WHOLE THING.

'CAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE IT WILL FIT, UM, WITH THE, WITH THE NEW WALL, THE SITUATION BEING, IT BEING FILLED IN.

UM, AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION WAS ON THE LOCKERS, SINCE YOU'RE ON THIS, WELL, ACTUALLY IT'S PROBABLY THE NEXT PHOTO.

UM, I THINK I COUNTED 14 LOCKERS ON THE ORIGINAL PLANS.

UM, AND I'M SEEING SIX BEING REUSED.

WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE PLAN? DO WE KNOW WITH THE REST, GO TO SALVAGE OR HOW IS THAT, UH, CORRECT? YEAH, SO I JUST PULLED THE PHOTO UP.

UH, YEAH, IT'S CORRECT.

WE'RE THE APPLICANT'S NOT ABLE TO REUSE ALL OF THEM.

THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH, UH, WALL SPACE, UH, EVERYWHERE.

UH, SO THE ONES THAT ARE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO BE USED ARE GONNA BE OFFERED FOR SALVAGE.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE PRESENTATION? UH, GRAFF, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

UM, WITH THE, THE LATE ARRIVAL OF THE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, UM, THEY HAPPEN TO TALK ABOUT PARKING.

UM, AND I, AND I KNOW MOST OF THIS IS EXTERIOR UPGRADES WITH MOSTLY INTERIOR UPGRADES.

IS THAT IN OUR PURVIEW, NUMBER ONE AND

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NUMBER TWO? I DO THINK IT'S, I THINK WE SHOULD AT LEAST TALK ABOUT IT, IT SEEMS, UH, RELEVANT TO, TO HOW WE GONNA ADDRESS, HOW, HOW DOES THE CITY PLAN TO ADDRESS PARKING AND TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA? SO IN TERMS OF PURVIEW, THIS IS, UM, DESIGN REVIEW ON THE, THE BUILDING ITSELF.

SO THE, THE PARKING SET UP, UM, ONLY TO THE EXTENT THAT IT WOULD IMPACT THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING.

SO IN THIS CASE, IT WOULDN'T BE DIRECTLY, UM, IN THE PURVIEW.

OF COURSE, PARKING IS ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS WE LOOK AT AS PART OF THE SITE PLAN REVIEW, WHICH STARTS AT THE SITE PLAN REVIEW COMMITTEE.

UM, AND IF NECESSARY, UM, WOULD GO, UH, THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

I BELIEVE THIS ONE, GIVEN THE SIZE AND SCOPE IS AT STAFF LEVEL.

UM, BUT I KNOW THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN WORKING ON HOW TO BEST ADDRESS, UM, UH, PARKING AND ACCESS, GIVEN THE CONSTRAINTS OF THE SITE.

IT IS A VERY CONSTRAINED SITE.

AND THE MOMENT YOU TRY TO PUT ON ONSITE PARKING, YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER A DA AND BACKUP REQUIREMENTS AND THINGS THAT, UM, MAY NOT HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED IN THE 1930S WHEN THE STRUCTURE WAS ORIGINALLY, UM, BUILT.

UM, SO THERE'VE BEEN ONGOING CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR PUBLIC WORKS PARTNERS, UM, IN TERMS OF HOW TO BEST ADDRESS, UH, CIRCULATION WITH THE SITE.

GOOD.

YEAH, I, I, WE'VE DEALT WITH THIS IN SOME OF OUR PROJECTS TOO, WHERE YOU HAVE AN, YOU KNOW, A TENANT IMPROVEMENT TO AN EXISTING DOWNTOWN AREA, AND IT'S SOMETIMES HARD TO FIND THAT, FIND THAT EXTRA PARKING.

BUT I APPRECIATE THE, YOU LOOKING AT IT.

HI, I'D LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION OF STAFF REGARDING, UH, PAGE TWO OF THE, OF THE STAFF LETTER.

UH, COULD YOU EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT, UH, THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WAS MADE TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO, UH, PROVIDE FLEXIBILITY TO THE APPLICANT? YEP.

SO, UM, THE TOP OF PAGE TWO TALKS ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT.

UM, WHEN THIS DID GO GO BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL, THERE WAS SOME AMOUNT OF CONCERN ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THE BUILDING COULD BE ADAPTIVELY REUSED.

AND SO CHCS RED RECOMMENDATION WAS LARGELY KEPT, BUT MODIFIED SLIGHTLY TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY THAT INTERIOR FEATURES, UH, DID NOT HAVE TO BE ALL, UM, PRESERVED IN PLACE, BUT SHOULD BE TO THE EXTENT FEASIBLE.

UM, AND IF NOT, SHOULD BE WELL, WELL DOCUMENTED AS IS, UM, OUTLINED IN THE, UM, CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL BEFORE YOU.

AND WAS THAT BY ANY CHANCE REPORTED OUT TO THE CHC, UH, WHEN THAT HAPPENED? YES, I BELIEVE IT WOULD'VE BEEN THE, UM, FEBRUARY, 2024 MEETING.

BUT WE CAN, UH, VERIFY THAT WITH THE MINUTES HERE.

AND SO, ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS? AND SO WITH THAT, UM, WERE THERE OPPORTUNITY, WERE THERE OPPORTUNITIES WHERE THIS DID OCCUR? AND SO ARE SOME OF THE INTERIOR FUTURES NOW INSTEAD OF BEING PRESERVED, UH, GOING TO BE PHOTOGRAPHED INSTEAD? UH, CORRECT.

SO THERE WILL BE SOME, UH, HABS LIKE PHOTOGRAPHY THAT TAKES PLACE HERE.

CAN YOU JUST QUICKLY LIST WHAT THOSE WOULD BE INSTEAD? SO I BELIEVE IT'S SOME OF THE LOCKERS, RIGHT? THE, THE LOCKERS, THE EIGHT LOCKERS THAT COULDN'T FIT.

UM, AND THEN THE, REMIND ME WHAT, UH, THE SITUATION IS WITH THE VAULT? THE CHALKBOARD, BECAUSE IT'S BEING PARTIALLY RELOCATED, THE BOARD, IT WILL BE PHOTOGRAPHED BEFOREHAND.

UM, AND THEN THERE IS A CEILING THAT'S BEING PRESERVED, BUT OBSCURED BY A DROP CEILING.

SO THAT'LL BE PHOTOGRAPHED PRIOR.

UM, THERE IS A CHANGE TO A DOOR, BUT THAT'S NOT AN ORIGINAL DOOR.

AND THEN, UM, THE SHAFT ISN'T REALLY A CHANGE, BUT IT'LL STILL BE PHOTOGRAPHED BECAUSE IT WON'T HAVE THE SAME VISIBILITY AFTER THE PROJECT.

EXCELLENT.

APPRECIATE THAT.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BY THE COMMISSION? UH, I DO HAVE ONE FOR THE STAFF, AND IT'S REGARDING THE LANDMARK STATUS AND INTERIOR OF, OF, OF STANDARDS THAT, UH, THERE WAS NO MENTION OF THE ARCHITECT.

I KNOW THERE WAS A WPA PROJECT, IF YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT AT THIS TIME.

UH, YEAH, IT, YEAH.

THANK YOU FOR, FOR BRINGING THAT UP.

THE, THE BUILDING, UH, THE BUILDINGS ARCHITECT IS W HORACE AUSTIN.

UH, SO THE W HORACE AUSTIN IS, UH, ONE OF THE MAJOR ARCHITECTS HERE, UH, IN THE CITY.

UH, ESPECIALLY ONE OF THE EARLIEST, UH, TO BE FOCUSED SPECIFICALLY IN LONG BEACH.

UH, LOCATED IN LONG BEACH.

UH, AND WHILE HE DID WORK EVERYWHERE, UH, A LOT OF HIS WORK IS, UH, WAS HERE IN LONG BEACH.

AND IF YOU REMEMBER FROM THE LANDMARKING IT AT, IT DIDN'T RISE TO MEETING THE CRITERIA FOR THE SPECIFIC, UM, UH, CONNECTION WITH THE ARCHITECT.

BUT, UH, STILL IT IS A WELL-KNOWN ARCHITECT.

THE COMMISSION, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME UP AND ADDRESS THE PROJECT.

AT THIS TIME, IF THERE IS NO OTHER QUESTIONS FROM

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HI, MY NAME IS JAN DEIS.

I'M SORRY I'M LATE.

I WAS, UH, IN THE DENTIST AND IT WENT A LOT LONGER THAN I THOUGHT.

SO, UM, UH, .

SO YOU'VE SEEN THE PRESENTATION.

UM, IT'S AN EXISTING BUILDING.

WE'VE WORKED VERY HARD ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING.

I'M SURE IN THE PRESENTATION THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT THE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS ABOUT INTERIOR ELEMENTS.

SO REALLY, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US? I HAVE A QUESTION.

COMMISSIONER PEREZ.

UM, I JUST WANNA KNOW IF ANY PAINT ANALYSIS IS GONNA BE DONE ON THE LOCKERS, OR IF IT HAS BEEN DONE, BECAUSE IT'S SUCH AN IMPORTANT ELEMENT THAT I KNOW A LOT OF THEM ARE GONNA BE GOING TO SALVAGE.

IT WOULD BE REALLY INTERESTING TO SEE THEM, HOW THEY MAY HAVE ORIGINALLY BEEN, WHETHER THEY WERE STAINED WITH WOOD OR WHAT THE ORIGINAL PAINT COLOR WOULD'VE BEEN, JUST TO CONTRIBUTE TO THAT NARRATIVE OF WHAT THOSE LOCKERS MAY HAVE ORIGINALLY LOOKED LIKE.

RIGHT? SO THE LOCKERS ARE NOT ORIGINAL TO THE BUILDING.

UM, AT LEAST THAT'S OUR EVALUATION.

UM, BUT SECONDARILY, THE PROBLEM WE HAVE WITH THE, THE LOCKERS SPECIFICALLY IS THEY'VE BEEN REALLY BADLY PAINTED OVER THE TIME.

THE LAST ROUND OF PAINTING WAS AN OIL-BASED PAINT.

SO WE'VE LOOKED AT THE RESTORATION, UM, OF THOSE LOCKERS.

MAINTAINING THE EXISTING COLOR IS REALLY NOT GONNA WORK.

UM, SOMEBODY JUST SLATHERED OIL PAINT ON THEM.

AND SO, UM, I THINK THE PLAN ON THAT WOULD BE TO STRIP, WE'RE GONNA BRING THEM BACK TO OUR SHOP TO STRIP THE PAINT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL COLOR, AND, UM, TRY TO PRESENT THEM AS THE ORIGINAL COLOR OF WHAT'S UNDER THE MULTIPLE LAYERS OF PAINT.

SO TO THAT EXTENT, WE DIDN'T DO AN A PAINT ANALYSIS BECAUSE OUR INTENTION IS TO GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL.

SO IN A WAY THAT'S SOMEWHAT OF AN ANALYSIS, WHICH IS THE ANSWER I WAS LOOKING FOR.

SO I'M GLAD YOU'RE DOING THAT RIGHT.

YEAH, YEAH, I, THE ANSWER IS, OUR INTENTION IS TO CHEMICALLY REMOVE THE LAYERS OF PAINT TO GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL COLOR.

UM, SPEAKING, UH, COMMISSIONER PIZZA, UM, SPEAKING OF THE LOCKERS, SINCE WE'RE ON THAT TOPIC, UM, I HAD MENTIONED EARLIER, UH, I DON'T BELIEVE YOU WERE HERE THAT I, I, I THINK I SAW 14 LOCKERS ON THE ORIGINAL PLANS.

I DON'T KNOW, ARE THEY STILL INTACT? ALL 14? NOT REALLY.

BUT I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY HAVE A VARIETY OF PARTS AND PIECES THAT IF YOU SAW OUR ELEVATION, UM, YOU'RE USING SIX.

WE'RE USING SIX MM-HMM .

SO OUR PLAN WAS TO TAKE THE BEST OF THE 14 AND TRY TO COME UP WITH SOME SOLUTION FOR THE OTHERS.

UM, I MEAN, THE ONLY THING REALLY OF INTEREST IS THE, THE FACING AND THE DOORS AND THE HARDWARE'S INTERESTING AND HINGES THE INTERIOR ARE, ARE PLYWOOD BOXES.

AND THEY'RE REALLY DEEP, SO THEY'RE KIND OF AWKWARD TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MANAGE THEM.

BUT, UM, OUR PLAN IS TO REUSE THE SIX AND SEE IF WE CAN COME UP WITH SOME PLAN ON THE REMAINDER.

SO, UH, WE WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION, SO YOU ARE PLANNING TO USE ALL, WELL, IF THEY ARE 14, LET'S CALL 'EM 14, THE OTHER EIGHT IN, IN ANOTHER CAPACITY.

NOT NECESSARILY IN THIS PROJECT.

NOT NECESSARILY IN THIS PROJECT, THERE'S NO, WE, WE, WE MAXIMIZE THE LINEAR LENGTH OF WHERE WE CAN IN TERMS OF WALL AREA.

UM, THERE IS WALL ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DOUBLE DOORS, AND THAT I KNOW STARTS TO ENTER PROBABLY THE KITCHEN AREA, BUT THERE IS A SECTION THAT TWO MORE COULD PROBABLY FIT.

SO IN THE KITCHEN AREA, WE'RE GONNA HAVE HEALTH CODE REQUIREMENTS.

SO ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT BEHIND THE DOUBLE DOORS ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE DOUBLE DOORS? NO, I THINK THE OPPOSITE SIDE WOULD BE THE STAIRCASE, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

THIS COMMISSION WANTED THE LOCKERS TO BE SAVED AND WE'RE NOT EVEN SAVING HALF OF THEM.

UH, AND THERE IS A SECTION THAT'S PROBABLY FULL HEIGHT BEFORE THE STAIR ACTUALLY STARTS THE RAILING PERHAPS.

BUT THAT'S NOT WHERE I WAS TALKING ABOUT.

I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE SAME WALL, BUT, UM, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DOUBLE DOORS.

CORRECT.

WHICH I KNOW WOULD BE, UH, INSIDE THE KITCHEN.

I MEAN, AT THAT POINT WE'RE STARTING, BUT IF YOU'RE STRIPPING THEM, YEAH.

BUT IT'S NOT A MATTER OF STRIPPING THEM OUT.

IT'S A MATTER OF REALLY SEPARATING WHAT IS UNDER THE JURISDICTION AND SURFACES OF THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND KIND OF WHAT IS AN AESTHETIC PRESENTATION.

UM, I MEAN, OUR, OUR PRESENTATION IS REALLY THE WAY WE WANT TO SET THEM ON THE WALL IS THAT YOU ALMOST FEEL LIKE YOU CAN OPEN THE DOOR AND THERE'S A, THERE'S A CUPBOARD BEHIND IT.

I, I, I DON'T KNOW.

NO, I GET THAT.

AND IT'S CLEVER AND I WANT TO COMMEND YOU FOR THAT, BEING CREATIVE IN THAT SENSE.

I THINK THAT'S GREAT.

I JUST WANT TO RESPECT THE FACT THAT

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I UNDERSTAND.

UM, AND SO I'M TRYING TO GET TO A BETTER PLACE THAT I THINK WE COULD FEEL BETTER ABOUT.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO, TO, TO, TO SEE IF THESE CAN GO UPSTAIRS.

IF THESE COULD GO ON THE WALL.

THAT'S WHERE THE EXTERIOR DOOR IS ON THE SIDE.

THERE'S A BLANK WALL, THERE'S A SMALL LITTLE WINDOW, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE PASTRY CASE, I GUESS.

BUT THERE'S A BLANK WALL THERE TOO.

I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S OTHER AREAS, AND I KNOW YOU PROBABLY WANT TO, TO FOCUS THE LOCKERS LIKE THEY WERE IN ONE SPOT, LIKE THEY WERE PRIOR, UM, AND NOT HAVE LOCKERS BE ROOMED ALL OVER THE PLACE.

BUT I'M TRYING TO GET TO A PLACE WHERE MAYBE THEY COULD BE USED.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THE DOUBLE DOORS COULD MOVE FURTHER IN AND GET MORE, UM, OF THE LOCKERS THERE.

'CAUSE THERE'S SOME SPACE THERE TO, TO, TO, TO PLAY WITH.

SO I, I, I GUESS I'M ASKING YOU IF THERE'S A, IS IS THERE A WAY THAT YOU COULD TRY TO REUSE THESE ELSEWHERE? SO MY RESPONSE IS I AM NOT REALLY EXCITED ABOUT MOVING THEM INTO THE KITCHEN AREA, OBVIOUSLY.

UM, I MEAN, I'M VISUALIZING LV ELEVATION IN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.

THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE SAVING OBVIOUSLY THE WALL WITH THE FIREPLACE.

SO THERE'S NO, THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF WINDOWS IN THE FRONT OF THE, IN OF THIS BUILDING.

THERE'S THE CHALKBOARD AND THE ENTRY TO THE RESTROOM.

THERE'S THE, THE COFFEE SHOP AND, AND THE ASSOCIATED PROGRAMMING THERE.

SO THE ONLY PLACE WE COULD POSSIBLY FIT THEM IN WOULD BE UPSTAIRS.

I MEAN, I WOULD, I MEAN, THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE I, I THINK THEY WOULD FIT IF THAT WERE SOMETHING THAT, UM, WE COULD WORK ON AT STAFF LEVEL AND SAY, YEAH, WE'LL STUDY THAT.

IT'S NOT A PROBLEM FOR ME SURE TO DO IT.

IT'S JUST REALLY PROGRAMMATICALLY IN WALL AREA.

UM, BUT I WOULD SAY I WOULD NOT WANT TO ADJUST THE DOUBLE DOORS AND I WOULD NOT WANT TO PUT THEM IN THE KITCHEN ONLY BECAUSE EVERY INCH OF THAT IS PROGRAMMED.

WELL, NO, THE WALL I'M TALKING ABOUT, IT'S NOT PROGRAMMED IN TERMS OF EQUIPMENT, YOU MEAN, BUT IT'S BEHIND THE DOUBLE DOORS.

THAT'S THE SAME WALL.

IT'S JUST I UNDERSTAND.

CONTINUING THOSE SAME ONCE YOU KEPT THOSE DOORS WERE IN THE KITCHEN.

I DO, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT.

AND I, AND I CAN RESPECT THAT POINT, BUT I, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT OTHER THINGS ON THAT WALL, BUT THERE'S NOTHING ON THAT WALL, SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.

UM, AND NOW THE, UH, SPEAKING OF THE, YOU MENTIONED THE CHALKBOARD.

SO I I HAD MENTIONED EARLIER IS, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN RETAIN THE FULL LENGTH OF THE CHALKBOARD? IS THE CHALKBOARD BUILT INTO THE WALL CURRENTLY? OR IT CAN BE MOVED? UM, THE CHALKBOARD CAN BE, TECHNICALLY CAN BE MOVED.

I MEAN, IT'S A WOOD FRAME, LIKE A CASING ON A DOOR WITH AN INFILL OF A CHALKBOARD.

UM, WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME, I CAN, I SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH THE CLIENT SPECIFICALLY ON THE CHALKBOARD, OBVIOUSLY PROGRAMMATICALLY TO THE LEFT OF THE CHALKBOARD IS THE ENTRANCE TO THE RESTROOM.

UM, THAT RESTROOM AND THE ENTRY TO THE RESTROOM WAS VERY SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED, BOTH BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT A RESTROOM IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROOM.

THEY DIDN'T WANT TO SEE PEOPLE GOING IN AND OUT.

YOU CAN, YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THAT.

UM, AND THERE'S ALSO SOME RETAIL COMPONENTS AND DISPLAY COMPONENTS ASSOCIATED TO THAT WALL.

SO, UM, I WOULD SAY THAT THE, THE CHALKBOARD ITSELF, THE WAY WE WERE HANDLING IT, AND WE WERE PRESENTING IT, I THINK WOULD BE IMPERCEPTIBLE TO ANYONE VISITING THAT SPACE TO SAY, OH WOW, IT'S A SHORTER, THEY CUT, YOU KNOW, TWO FEET OFF, THREE FEET OFF THIS CHALKBOARD.

I MEAN, WE WERE GONNA TAKE THE ORIGINAL CASING.

WE WERE GONNA TAKE THE ORIGINAL CHALKBOARD.

WE'RE GONNA SHRINK IT A LITTLE BIT TO ALLOW THE PROGRAM FOR THE CLIENT TO BE REALIZED.

UM, EXCUSE ME, MR. EZ.

UH, COULD I HAVE STAFF PULL UP THE DRAWING, THE DESIGN WORK OF THE YEAH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

TO CUT IT IN HALF DOESN'T REALLY MAKE SO MUCH SENSE.

WE CAN, THANK YOU.

SO JUST TO CONTINUE WHILE THEY'RE PULLING UP THAT OUR, OUR ENVISION WAS TO RECREATE THAT CHALKBOARD AND THE DOOR AND THE CASING TO LOOK LIKE THAT WAS AN ORIGINAL CONDITION.

AND SO WAIT, IT HAS TO, RIGHT THERE IT IS.

SO, RIGHT.

SO THAT'S THE ORIGINAL CHALKBOARD.

NOW CAN WE GET TO, UH, PAGE 18 ON THE PACKAGE PLEASE? INTERIOR ELEVATIONS.

THERE WE ARE.

IS THAT, UH, YEAH.

SO DOWN IN THE LOWER RIGHT CORNER, YOU HAVE A LOT OF WALL TO THE RIGHT OF WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING AS A SMALL CHALKBOARD.

UM, I THINK THERE'S A, A PRESENCE THE OTHER CHALKBOARD HAS IN A HISTORICAL SENSE TOO,

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UM, I'M JUST WONDERING, CAN THAT MOVE ALONG THAT ENTIRE WALL TO THE, SO TWO POINTS TO THAT RESPONSE, ONE THAT CHALKBOARD IS IN THE ORIGINAL LOCATION.

WE'VE JUST SHORTENED IT.

SO WE WOULD REMOVE THE CASING, MIRE THE CASING, CUT THE CHALKBOARD, AND MAINTAIN THE ORIGINAL LOCATION, EXCEPT IN A SHORTER SCENARIO.

SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS WE WOULD HAVE TO REMOVE THE ENTIRE THING, MOVE TO THE RIGHT FROM A CASING STANDPOINT.

I THINK THAT WOULD SURVIVE FROM A CHALK POINT STANDPOINT, WHICH, IF THERE'S ANYTHING OF INTEGRITY IN THIS, IT'S THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE A LITTLE ANTIQUITY THERE, PROBABLY NOT.

IT'S PROBABLY GONNA COME OUT IN PIECES.

I DON'T KNOW THAT FOR SURE, BUT I'M GUESSING.

UM, SO, SO I, I'M NOT TERRIBLY EXCITED ABOUT THE IDEA BECAUSE I FEEL THE INTENT IS THERE SECONDARILY, UM, THERE IS PROGRAMMING POTENTIAL.

UH, EVERY INCH OF THIS WALL IS DISCUSSED WITH A CLIENT AND THERE IS PROGRAMMING AND POTENTIAL RETAIL PRESENTATION TO THE RIGHT OF THE, THE CHALKBOARD.

SO IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS CAREFULLY CONSIDERED IN THE OVERALL SCHEME.

OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT SHOWING THAT FOR SIMPLICITY AND PRESENTATION, BUT I CAN, I CAN TELL YOU IN CONVERSATIONS AND PROGRAMMING WITH OUR CLIENT, IT WAS IMPORTANT TO THEM TO MAINTAIN THAT AREA TO THE RIGHT OF THE CHALKBOARD.

UH, OKAY.

UM, WELL I'LL BE CURIOUS WHAT THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS THINK ABOUT THIS, BUT, UM, THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPLANATION.

MY OTHER QUESTION IS ON THE HANDRAIL, WHAT IS, I KNOW YOU'RE SAYING IT'S A STEEL, UM, HANDRAIL THAT'S BEING ADDED, OR AT LEAST IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S BEING ADDED TO THE TOP OF THE WOODEN CAP, CORRECT? ON THE EXISTING STAIRCASE? YES.

SO OUR INTENT THERE WAS TO MAINTAIN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE THE EXISTING STAIRCASE, BUT CLEARLY THE EXISTING STAIRCASE DOESN'T COME CLOSE TO MEETING COAT.

AND SO THE INTENT OF ADDING THE STEEL CA HAND RAIL WAS FROM MATERIALITY.

IT FLOATS OVER THAT EXISTING STAIRCASE.

YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE IT'S A DEFINED NEW ELEMENT AND THE EXISTING STAIRCASE MAINTAINS AND STEEL REALLY WAS THE ONLY PRODUCT THAT WE FELT WOULD BOTH ALLOW IT TO SPAN FREELY ACROSS AND KIND OF GIVE A CLEAR DEFINITION BETWEEN THE OLD STAIRCASE AND THE NEW DESIGN AND MEET THE REQUIRED CODE.

IS IT ACTUALLY ATTACHED TO THE EXISTING STAIRCASE OR IT'S, IT'S, IN MY INTENTION WAS NOT MY INTENTION.

'CAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ON, ON TOP OF IT, NOT ATTACHED.

OKAY, GREAT.

IF IT IS ATTACHED, THEN I'M LOOKING, TRYING TO LOOK AT THE DETAIL.

IT MIGHT SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, IN MY DRAFT AND MIGHT HAVE SNUCK IN THOSE CONNECTIONS, BUT THERE'S NO INTENTION FOR IT TO BE ATTACHED.

THAT WAS REALLY MY QUESTION.

I, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT DRILLING INTO THE TOP OF IT.

NO, THERE WOULD BE NO INTENTION TO ATTACH IT.

IT SHOULD BE ABLE TO FREELY FLOAT, FLOAT OVER THE AIR OVER AND BE CONNECTED JUST AT THE TOP AND AT THE BOTTOM.

THANK, THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I DO HAVE A COMMENT REGARDING THE CHALKBOARD.

IS THAT A SLATE BOARD? I DON'T THINK IT'S A SLATE BOARD.

I DON'T, UM, I THINK IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE A SCHOOL COMPONENT CHALKBOARD, WHICH WAS A PIECE OF WOOD THAT WAS TREATED, YOU KNOW, IN A FACTORY TO LOOK LIKE SLATE.

WILL THE, UM, THE APPLICANT USE THAT BOARD FOR DAILY SPECIALS AND FOR THEIR, YOU KNOW, ONGOING MENUS OR IS IT JUST GONNA BE KIND OF SITTING THERE, UH, ON THE WALL AT, AT THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION? SO WE HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT.

UM, I CAN SAY THAT I WAS A LITTLE MORE EXCITED ABOUT THE CHALKBOARD MAYBE THAN THEY WERE IN TERMS OF ITS OVERALL VISIONING, BUT THE INTENTION IS THAT THEY WOULD USE THAT CHALKBOARD AS FOR PROGRAMMING.

AND YOU'RE WELCOME.

I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE HERE, YOU'RE WELCOME TO ASK THEM AND THEIR THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT.

BUT YEAH, WE, IF IT'S THERE, MY THOUGHT IS IT GETS USED.

OF THE WINDOW IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, OUR PROGRAM.

UM, ALSO THE EXTERIOR WINDOWS, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE WAS, MOST OF THEM WERE REPLACED OVER THE PERIOD AND SOME OF THEM WERE, WERE ACTUALLY REDUCED IN SIZE.

AND I KNOW THAT YOU'VE BEEN WORKING WITH STAFF ON ADDRESSING SOME OF THOSE ISSUES.

UM, ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO BRING TO THE COMMISSION? WELL, THE MAJORITY OF THE WINDOWS, IF NOT, I DON'T WANNA SAY ALL, BUT I BELIEVE THE MAJORITY OF THE WINDOWS, THERE'S ONE OTHER ONE.

UM, WERE THE SOUTH SIDE WINDOWS, WHICH WERE REDUCED IN SIZE.

I BELIEVE THE ONE WINDOW FACING THE WEST WAS REDUCED IN SIZE.

UM, AND WITH MAYBE ONE EXCEPTION OR MAYBE NO EXCEPTIONS, THOSE ARE THE WINDOWS WE'RE PROPOSING IN FILLING, UM, BECAUSE OF PROGRAMMATIC ISSUES.

SO, UM, YEAH, I, I I I, WE ARE DOCUMENTING THE ORIGINAL SIZE

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BUT, UM, THE FRONT WINDOWS ARE THE SAME SIZE, AND THE NORTH WINDOW, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, ARE ALL THE SAME SIZE.

AND THOSE ARE THE WINDOWS WE'RE MAINTAINING, UH, REGARDING VENTILATION.

KNOWING THAT THERE'S GONNA BE INDUSTRIAL TYPES OF OVENS, UM, IN THE DRAWINGS, WE DIDN'T SEE MANY FROM THE ELEVATION ON THE ROOF, IS THAT GONNA BE HIDDEN OR WILL THERE POTENTIALLY BE SOME SORT OF VENTILATION THAT COULD BE VIEWED FROM THE STREET? SO THERE ARE TWO TYPES OF VENTILATION SPECIFICALLY TO THE OVENS.

WE SELECTED THAT LOCATION BECAUSE THERE WAS A FLAT ROOF WITH A PARAPET ABOVE THAT AREA.

SO WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE SPECIFIC GRAVITY VENTILATION FOR THOSE OVENS WILL BE VISIBLE TO THE STREET.

UM, AND WE ARE WORKING WITH MECHANICAL RIGHT NOW TO PROGRAM THE SPECIFIC LOCATIONS, BUT I DON'T THINK FROM THE OVENS ON THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING, YOU WILL SEE OVER THE PARAPET ANY VENTILATION.

THE, UM, HOOD VENTILATION ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE, AGAIN, WE SPECIFICALLY LOCATED THE HOOD SO THAT WE VENTED INSIDE THE THIRD, THE, THE, THE EASTERN MOST WINDOW.

AND WE WERE PUTTING A GRILL THERE.

NOW WE'VE HAD DISCUSSION WITH STAFF WHETHER THAT'S APPROPRIATE, BUT THE REALITY IS, IS THAT THE, UM, THE FAN UNIT FOR THAT HOOD, ANY OTHER, THERE'S NO OTHER LOCATION WE COULD PUT IT.

UM, THERE ARE LIMITATIONS TO, UM, BENDS AND ANGLES THAT WE CAN PUT IN A VENTILATION.

AND WE FEEL THAT BASICALLY REMOVING THAT ONE WINDOW AND HAVING, UM, VENT SCREEN IS THE LEAST OBTRUSIVE WAY TO EXHAUST THAT UNIT.

AND WE DID STUDY A NUMBER DIFFERENT WAYS.

WE TRIED TO SEE IF WE COULD GET IT TO THE TOWER.

UM, THERE WAS A SUGGESTION BY STAFF TO PUT IT ON TOP AND KEEP THE ORIGINAL WINDOW.

ALL OF THEM WERE UNSATISFACTORY.

UH, UM, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER, GFI, UH, UH, VICE CHAIR, GFI.

UM, QUESTION ABOUT IN THAT LINE, UM, MECHANICAL SYSTEMS THAT YOU'RE GONNA NEED FOR THIS NEW, UM, I GUESS IT'S A BAKERY.

UM, I KNOW YOU, YOU WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE VENTILATION, BUT WHAT, WHERE, IS THERE ANYTHING GONNA BE ON THE ROOF OR ANYTHING THAT YOU NEED? NOTHING'S GONNA BE ON THE ROOF.

NOTHINGS GONNA BE CURRENTLY OUR PLAN.

WE ARE PLANNING ON USING SPLIT.

I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE TALKING, SO WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT VENTILATION, RIGHT? SO I'M ASSUMING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HEATING AND COOLING.

UM, WE ARE PROPOSING A SPLIT SYSTEM.

UM, MULTIPLE SPLIT SYSTEMS WOULD BE MOUNTED ON THE GROUND ON THE NORTH OF THE BUILDING, IN THE EMPLOYEE KIND OF DESIGNATED AREA WHERE THERE IS, UM, ESSENTIALLY A BACK OF HOUSE AREA, UM, AND SCREENED.

AND SO THERE'S NO OTHER EQUIPMENT REQUIRED FOR THAT BAKERY THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, REQUIRED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT? SO, SO THE, I MEAN, SPECIFICALLY THE EQUIPMENT REQUIRED WOULD BE THE MAIN PIECE OF EQUIPMENT IS TWO PIECES WOULD BE FOR THE VENTILATION FOR THE HOOD, THE, UM, THE RETURN AIR WE ARE PUTTING IN THE TOWER BECAUSE THAT WE CAN HAVE A LONGER RUN OF DUCT WORK.

SO WE'RE PUTTING THAT INSIDE THE TOWER BEHIND WHERE IT WOULD NOT BE VISIBLE.

THE EXHAUST, UM, UNIT WE ARE PUTTING IN THAT ONE UNIT, UM, TO THE NORTH OF THOSE THREE WINDOWS ABOVE THE KITCHEN AREA.

UM, THE EXHAUST FROM THE HOODS IS ALL UNDER THE FLAT AREA.

AND SO THE ONLY EXTERIOR EQUIPMENT REMAINING WOULD BE THE, UM, THREE, MAYBE FOUR, UM, CONDENSING UNITS THAT WOULD BE GROUND MOUNTED AND SERVICE AND SERVICING THE HEATING AND, AND COOLING.

A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ALSO AGAIN ABOUT THE INFAMOUS BLACKBOARD.

UH, DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW WHAT SIZE YOU'RE GOING TO KEEP IT? THE, THE LENGTH OF IT? I MEAN, WE DIDN'T MENTION THAT ELEVATION.

I, I, I DON'T KNOW WHY.

LOOKS LIKE WE DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB EVERYWHERE ELSE, BUT, UM, I WOULD SAY SIX FEET.

UM, OKAY.

'CAUSE WE DO HAVE MEASUREMENTS FOR IT.

SO IT WAS A 10 FOOT BY SIX FOOT THREE, I'M SORRY, THREE FOOT SIX.

AND DOES IT INCLUDE RICH KEEPING THE LITTLE RAIL AS WELL? SO THE, THE, THE HEIGHT WOULD REMAIN THE SAME, WHICH IS SIX THREE WITHOUT THE MOLDING? YEAH, THREE SIX WITHOUT THE MOLDING.

WE INTEND ON REUSING THE SAME CASING.

SO WHATEVER HORIZONTAL MOLDINGS WERE THERE WOULD REMAIN INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, IF THERE WAS A CHALK RAIL THERE, I BELIEVE MM-HMM .

SO IT WOULD JUST BE THE LEFT SIDE OF THE BOARD.

UM, AND WE,

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AND SO IT DOES SAY IT'S A THREE EIGHTH INCH SLATE BLACKBOARD, IS THAT WHAT WE SAY? NO, THAT'S WHAT THE PLANS SAY.

THE ORIGINAL PLAN, THE ORIGINAL PLANS.

I, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.

ALRIGHT.

SO, UH, IS, WHAT ARE THEY INTENDING TO DO AGAIN AGAINST THE WALL THAT IS BLANK? WELL, THEY HAVE PROGRAMMING NEEDS.

UM, IT COULD BE PRESENTATION, SO IT'S A BAKERY.

SO IS IT LIKE SHELVING OR IT COULD BE SHELVING.

I MEAN, WE DID A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT SCENARIOS FOR THAT WALL, INCLUDING SHELVING AND, AND CABINETRY, ET CETERA.

UM, BUT RIGHT NOW, UM, IT COULD BE A COMBINATION OF SHELVING DISPLAY ITEMS OR IT COULD BE, UM, SIGNAGE.

IT COULD, UM, THE INTENTION IS THOUGH TO HAVE TABLES AND CHAIRS IN THAT ROOM.

SO I THINK THE REASON WE PUSHED BACK ON SHELVING WAS TO GIVE THEM A LITTLE MORE ROOM FOR, FOR ACTUAL SEATING IN THAT ROOM.

SO IT, IT, IF, IF THE CHALKBOARD WERE TO BE ITS FULL 10 FOOT LENGTH, WOULD THE CHALK RAIL BE INTERFERING WITH THAT AS OPPOSED TO A, I MEAN A CHALKBOARDS JUST ARE ARE WE, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT AGAIN, SHIFTING IT OVER, JUST KEEPING THE FULL 10 FEET LENGTH OF IT? I MEAN, IF WE KEPT THE FULL 10 FEET, THE CONCEPT WOULD BE TO REMOVE THE CASING SEPARATE, YOU KNOW, REMOVE THE CASING, THAT'S EASY ENOUGH, AND THEN REMOVE THE CHALKBOARD AND THEN SHIFT THE WHOLE CONTRAPTION OVER.

I CAN SAY, AND I I, I'M GONNA SPEAK FOR MY CLIENT, THEY DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.

THAT WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING WAS, WAS RECOMMENDED.

NOW THEY'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AND, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN TALK TO 'EM AND ASK THEM, BUT I'M, I WILL SAY I SPEAKING IN THEIR BEHALF, THEY DIDN'T WANT TO DO THAT.

IS THEY WANTED TO USE THAT AREA FOR.

IS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THE CHALK RAIL STICKS OUT TOO MUCH? NO, NO, NO, NO.

THEY WANTED TO USE THE AREA TO THE RIGHT FOR OKAY.

FOR PROGRAMMING.

UM, A SECOND QUESTION.

UH, JUST TO CONFIRM, YOU WERE NOT KEEPING THE LOCKERS, YOU'RE KEEPING THE LOCKER FOR FACADE? THAT'S CORRECT.

I WANTED TO JUST MAKE SURE EVERYONE UNDERSTOOD THAT.

AND SO YOU ARE KEEPING HOW MANY OF THEM? SIX OF THE 14 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BODAK.

ANYONE ELSE? I, ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE EXTERIOR.

UM, DO YOU THINK WE CAN PULL UP THAT 3D EXTERIOR LOOKING FROM, WHAT IS IT, LONG BEACH BOULEVARD? YEAH, THAT ONE.

UM, IS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION FOR DEALING WITH AFTER HOURS VISITORS TO THE, UH, YOUR SIDE, SIDE YARD THERE? UM, CURRENTLY NO.

I, I, I DON'T, BUT I, I MEAN THAT COULD BE A DISCUSSION.

WE CAN STUDY THAT.

UM, I, I THINK, I THINK THERE'S, THERE ARE SOME ISSUES WE WOULD HAVE TO CONSIDER MAINLY A DA ACCESS BECAUSE THAT'S A TRANSITION POINT FOR A DA.

SO WE WOULD HAVE TO STUDY THAT RATHER CAREFULLY.

I DON'T, I DOUBT WE COULD PUT SOME TYPE OF FLUSH GATE AT THAT POINT BECAUSE WE ARE TRANSITIONING AND WE HAVE OUR LANDINGS AS WE COME UP THE RAMP.

UM, SO ANYTHING THAT WE DID DO WOULD HAVE TO BE, I WOULD ASSUME TO BE MINIMUM OF FIVE FEET BACK.

UM, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOUR COMMENT.

IT'S, IT COULD BE CONCERNING AND ESPECIALLY IF THERE WERE FURNITURE THERE AND WHATNOT.

BUT I THINK WHAT WE WOULD LOOK TO DO AS OPPOSED, AS OPPOSED TO THE, THE FENCING WE SHOW IN THE BACK, WE WOULD LOOK FOR SOME, LOOK AT SOMETHING VERY TRANSLUCENT, UM, SO THAT WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, CREATING THIS FLAT FACADE ACROSS.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I HAVE AN ADDITIONAL QUESTION.

COMMISSIONER PEREZ, IN REGARDS TO THE, UM, THE HANDRAIL THAT YOU'RE ADDING ON TOP OF THE EXISTING BALLER FOR THE STAIRS, THE STAIR RAIL MM-HMM .

WAS THERE ANY PRECEDENT RESEARCH DONE FOR OTHER SENSITIVE TREATMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE IN OTHER 'CAUSE YOU WOULDN'T BE THE FIRST TO HAVE TO BRING IT UP TO HEIGHT TO MEET CODE.

HAVE YOU LOOKED AT ANY PRECEDENT OF WHERE THAT'S BEEN DONE REALLY WELL? JUST EXAMINING THE DESIGN THAT'S BEING PROPOSED IN YOUR 3D RENDERINGS.

IT, IT FEELS VERY AWKWARD.

I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE FINESSED.

I FEEL IT CAN BE DONE BETTER.

I DO APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE ADDING SOMETHING THAT'S CLEARLY CONTEMPORARY TO NOT GIVE A FALSE SENSE

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OF HISTORY.

BUT I JUST WONDERED IF YOU CHOSE THAT DESIGN WAS CHOSEN BASED ON PRECEDENT ON SOMETHING THAT HAD BEEN DONE IN ANOTHER HISTORIC APPLICATION.

SO WE'VE DONE THAT IN OTHER HISTORIC APPLICATIONS THREE, FOUR TIMES.

LOOKS GOOD TO ME.

AND MIGHT, MAYBE WE DIDN'T PRESENT IT WELL, I DON'T KNOW.

UM, BUT YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR HANDRAIL.

UM, THAT'S A ONE BY TWO, UM, TUBE, WHICH IS THE MAXIMUM IN A RECTANGULAR HANDRAIL THAT WE CAN GO BY COAT TWO AND A QUARTER INCHES.

UM, SO TO DO A WOOD WOULD REQUIRE A ROUND HANDRAIL, WHICH WE REALLY FELT WOULD BE INCONSISTENT.

UM, SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE STUCK WITH STEEL.

AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE WENT RECTANGULAR.

UM, I MEAN WE DID IT RECENTLY IN THE CITY CENTER HOTEL.

IT LOOKS GREAT.

MID-CENTURY HOTEL, A LITTLE DIFFERENT.

UM, WE DID IT IN, UM, UH, THE CHURCH ON FOURTH END, UM, UNI PERRO AT THE RESTORATION OF THAT.

AND IT LOOKED GREAT AND THAT WAS A PERIOD HO UM, SO IT WORKS BECAUSE IT DEFINES A CLEAR DEFINITION BETWEEN EXISTING AND NEW.

AND IT WORKS BECAUSE AS STEEL, IT CAN SPAN A SIGNIFICANT DISTANCE.

SO IT DOESN'T REQUIRE THE ADDITION OF FIXED POINTS.

SO TO YOUR RESPONSE, LIKE I SAID, WE'VE DONE IT 3, 4, 5 TIMES AND I'M SATISFIED WITH THE RESULT.

BUT I MEAN, I GET IT.

I MEAN, IT'S NOT EASY WHENEVER YOU DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

IT'S NOT EASY.

BUT THERE ARE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF RESTRICTIONS WE HAVE ON THAT HEIGHT AND DIAMETER OF THE HANDRAIL.

THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPLANATION.

UH, COMMISSIONER, WAS THAT THE, THE INTERIOR HANDRAIL UP THE STAIRS? UP THE, HOW I'M ALSO REFERRING TO THE, THE ONE THAT'S ON THE OUTSIDE AS YOU APPROACH THE STAIR.

'CAUSE IT'S BEEN ADDED ON THAT.

AND THEN THERE'S ALSO A HANDRAIL ATTACHED TO THE WALL BECAUSE I DON'T SEE HOW YOU GET, SORRY, I DON'T WANT TO GET IN THE WEEDS ON THIS, BUT I DON'T SEE HOW YOU GET THAT PROJECTION OF OVER 12 INCHES INTO THAT SPACE.

I'M SORRY, IF WE, WE, CAN WE LOOK AT THE INTERIOR STAIR? UM, THEY HAVE THE THREE DS INTERIORS.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT PAGE IT'S ON THERE.

THERE.

SO IN THE CENTER, THE CENTER PHOTOGRAPH AT THE TOP MM-HMM .

IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE, THIS IS THE, THE, THE HANDRAIL OR THE OR GUARDRAIL SLASH HANDRAIL THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

THAT THING PROJECTS PAST 21 INCHES.

THAT'S THE CODE.

12 INCHES PLUS 11.

BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE BASICALLY CREATING A, A HAZARD THERE.

I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU.

UM, AND YOU'VE DONE THIS BEFORE AND CITIES HAVE APPROVED IT MANY TIMES.

THE CITY REQUIRES IT.

12 INCHES PLUS 11 IS THE PROJECTION.

BUT YOU'RE JUST STICKING SOMETHING OUT THERE WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, BRINGING IT BACK, RETURNING IT.

I'VE, I'VE GOTTEN A VARIANCE ON IT ONE TIME.

NOW, THE ONE TIME THAT I DID GET A VARIANCE ON IT WAS WHEN IT WAS PROJECTING INTO A WALKWAY.

IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, IT'S PROJECTING INTO A VESTIBULE OF A STAIRWELL.

IT CERTAINLY DOESN'T HURT MY FEELINGS TO REDUCE IT, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT, OH, NOT, NOT REDUCE IT, JUST MAKE IT THAT, TO MAKE IT RETURN.

OH, THIS LOOKS LIKE A, THIS LOOKS LIKE A HAZARD FOR AN AS LONG AS IT'S, THERE'S PROBLEM.

SO HERE'S THE PROBLEM WITH THE RETURN.

I'M, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THIS CONVERSATION, BUT THE POINT OF WHY WE DID THE WAY WE DID IT WAS TO HAVE A FIXED POINT AT THE BOTTOM AND A FIXED POINT AT THE TOP.

IF I WERE TO DO A RETURN, I WOULD STILL NEED TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF CONNECTION TO THE BASE.

I, AS I'M HAPPY TO STUDY IT, IF THAT'S A CONCERN.

YEAH, YEAH.

IT'S A VERY COMMON, IT'S A VERY COMMON TERMINATION.

NO, I UNDERSTAND.

TERMINATION.

THERE'S NO, IN THE, THE POINT WOULD BE THERE WOULD BE NO INTERIOR FIXED POINTS.

SO I HEAR YOU AND I'M HAPPY TO, YOU KNOW, LOOK, I GET YOU.

I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.

UM, AN INTERIOR FIXED POINT COULD BE THE FLOOR.

IT COULD BE, BUT I'D TO YOU DO A BASICALLY A P RIGHT DROP.

I'D LIKE TO, TO STUDY THAT.

SO ANYWAY, JUST LOOKS LIKE A HAZARD TO ME.

TYPICALLY IT DOES RETURN BACK SO YOU'RE NOT WALKING INTO THE END OF A POLE STICKING IN YOUR TUMMY.

AND IT MAY AND IT MAY COME UP IN, IN BUILDING.

NO, I'M HAPPY TO LOOK AT IT.

IT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN COME UP WITH A BETTER, SOMETHING THAT LOOKS BETTER, HAPPY TO, I THINK, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WE, WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE PROBLEMS, WE KIND OF JUST, UM, LOOK AT ONE SOLUTION.

AND THIS CERTAINLY DOESN'T BOTHER ME TO STUDY IT A DIFFERENT WAY.

I, I JUST HAVE COMMISSIONER PIZZA ON THAT STAIR.

I, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH, UM, VICE CHAIR GFI.

UM,

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BUT, UM, MY, MY QUESTION IS, WE TALKED EARLIER THAT IT'S NOT ATTACHED TO THE TOP OF THE HANDRAIL.

NOW THAT I'M SEEING THIS DRAWING, WHAT IS THE CONNECTION TO THE, TO THE, I I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE GOING ON THE TREAD, UH, WITH THE VERTICAL SUPPORT FOR THE TOP OF THE HANDRAIL AS IT GOES UP THE STAIRS.

SO I, YOU SAID YOU DID THE DETAIL A LOT, SO AGAIN, I CAN'T SEE YOU COULD THE CLOSEUP, BUT THE INTENTION IS TO HAVE ONLY TWO POINTS OF CONNECTION AT THE TOP AND AT THE FLOOR.

OH, THAT'S NOT HOW IT'S SHOWN.

I UNDERSTAND.

I REALIZE THAT AND THAT'S NOT, THAT WOULDN'T, I APOLOGIZE.

UM, SOMETIMES STUFF GETS PAST ME, BUT THE INTENTION WOULD BE, HAVE TWO POINTS OF CONNECTION TOP AND AT THE BASE ON THE FLOOR.

AND SO TO RETURN IT DOESN'T REALLY CONCERN ME IF I HAVE A BASE CONNECTION AT THE FLOOR.

THE WHOLE POINT IS THAT IT DOESN'T CONNECT TO THE STAIR.

THAT, THAT CLARIFIES IT.

COMMISSIONER PRYOR HERE.

I JUST WANTED TO ASK ABOUT THE UPSTAIRS USE.

WHAT, WHAT'S THE UPSTAIRS GONNA BE AND WHAT IS THAT USE FOR IT'S OFFICE FOR THE OPERATIONS OF THE BAKERY? ALL THE, THE, ALL THE ROOMS ARE ALL OFFICE ROOMS. MM-HMM .

ALL OFFICE.

AND, AND THERE WAS NO REASON WHY THE LOCKERS COULDN'T BE TRANSPORTED TO THE UPSTAIRS? WELL, THE LOCKERS THEMSELVES COULD NOT BE TRANSPORTED TO THE UPSTAIRS.

LIKE I SAID, THEY'RE VERY, THEY'RE VERY DEEP.

I MEAN, YOU DON'T SEE THE DEPTH BECAUSE THEY CREATE A FLUSH APPEARANCE WHEN YOU WALK INTO THE ROOM.

BUT, SO FROM A PROGRAMMATIC AND A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT, MOVING THE ENTIRE LOCKERS UPSTAIRS REALLY WOULDN'T WORK.

UM, BUT I'VE ALREADY INDICATED I'M HAPPY TO, THE, TO ME THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY POSSIBLE LOCATION WHERE WE COULD POSSIBLY SHIFT A FEW MORE OF THE LOCKER FACADES UP.

AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO STUDY THAT.

COMMISSIONERS, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION AS WELL.

UM, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CHALKBOARD BEING MOVED, IS THERE A REASON WHY THAT COULDN'T STAY IN ITS ENTIRE LENGTH UPSTAIRS AS OPPOSED TO DOWNSTAIRS SO THAT IT'S NOT CHOPPED UP? UM, I MEAN, I'M HAPPY TO TALK TO THE CLIENT AGAIN.

THE, I, I'M NOT, I I'M NOT SURE THAT PROGRAMMATICALLY WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT.

I MEAN, CLEARLY WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED MOVING THE CHALKBOARD UPSTAIRS, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GONNA BE IN THE WAY OF THINGS.

I MEAN, WE CAN DISCUSS IT.

I MEAN, FROM MY OPINION, PRO, UM, VISUALLY, I THINK IT WORKS BETTER IN PLACE.

I THINK IT TELLS A BETTER STORY, BUT IT DOESN'T WORK IN ITS FULL LENGTH.

I PERSONALLY FEEL LIKE IF YOU WALKED IN THERE AND YOU SAW IT THE WAY WE'RE PRESENTING IT, IT WOULD SEEM VERY NATURAL.

THAT'S MY OPINION.

I THINK WE WORKED HARD TO KIND OF CREATE A PROPORTION THAT WORKS STILL, BUT, UM, I MEAN, IF YOU WERE SAYING YOU WOULD RATHER HAVE IT AS FULL LENGTH AND MOVE IT UPSTAIRS VERSUS IT REDUCED LENGTH AND DOWNSTAIRS, I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DISCUSS.

I, LIKE I SAID, I FEEL LIKE IT TELLS A BETTER STORY DOWNSTAIRS, BUT I, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S, IF THAT'S YOUR PRIORITY, IS THE O OWN COMMISSIONER PIZZA, UM, IS THE OWNER GONNA SPEAK OR DO WE NEED TO CALL THEM UP? I THINK THEY'D BE HAPPY TO SPEAK ACTUALLY, .

'CAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT'S PLANNED FOR THE SIDE OF THE CHALKBOARD SPECIFICALLY, IF THEY HAVE SOME INSIGHT ON THAT.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME BEFORE WE ASK THE, THE OWNER TO COME UP AND ADDRESS THAT PARTICULAR QUESTION? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I APOLOGIZE FOR RUNNING IN LATE.

I REALLY DO.

UM, BUT THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.

GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS CATHERINE TOLENTINO.

ADDRESS IS 1 3 5 6 WEST WILLER STREET, LONG BEACH, CALIFORNIA 9 0 8 1 0.

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HAPPY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.

HI.

UM, THE PROJECT IS VERY NICE.

SO, SO, UM, CONGRATULATIONS ON MOVING IT FORWARD.

UM, I HAD A QUESTION ON THE CHALKBOARD.

UM, TO THE RIGHT OF THE CHALKBOARD IS SHOWN EMPTY BLANK WALL RIGHT NOW, AND WE'RE DEBATING THE IDEA OF CUTTING IT AND WHY CAN'T IT FILL THAT REST OF THAT SPACE? WHAT IS, WHAT IS, IS, UM, THE ARCHITECTS SAYING THAT THAT WAS PLANNED FOR SOMETHING SPECIFIC? WHAT, WHAT IS IT PLANNED FOR? YES.

SO THERE ARE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT WE WERE KIND OF CONSIDERING FOR THAT SPACE.

UM, ONE OF THEM BEING, UM, KIND OF LIKE A DISPLAY AREA FOR MERCHANDISE.

UM, ANOTHER COULD BE KIND OF LIKE A DECORATION, BECAUSE WE ARE FILIPINO BAKERY, WE DEFINITELY ALSO WANT OUR CULTURE TO BE ON DISPLAY.

UM, SO WE REALLY WANTED TO SAVE SPACE FOR THAT.

SO THERE'S, SO IT'S A FLEXIBLE SPACE IS KIND OF AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

'CAUSE THERE'S NOTHING SPECIFICALLY PLANNED THERE, UM, AS IS, I MEAN, IT'S JUST DISPLAY OF SOME SORT.

CORRECT.

UM, COULD YOU USE THE WALL THAT'S BETWEEN THE TWO WINDOWS INSTEAD? BETWEEN THE TWO OPPOSITE WALL, THE OTHER SIDE OF FACING THE STREET.

UH, YEAH.

FLOOR.

CAN WE GO TO FLOOR PLAN 13 PLEASE? THERE WE GO.

SO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WALL FACING OUT, YOU HAVE TWO WINDOWS AND THERE'S A WALL PRETTY MUCH ALMOST THE SAME SIZE AS THE WALL THAT'S NEXT TO THE CHALKBOARD.

COULD THAT BE USED AS DISPLAY? IT'D BE VERY FRONT AND CENTER.

UM, I'M HAPPY TO LOOK INTO IT.

I THINK THE POSITIONING OF THE DISPLAY WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT AWKWARD.

IT'D BE KIND OF JUST IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROOM, UM, IN, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DINING AREA.

UM, BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY TAKE A LOOK AT IT.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR COMMENTS? ONE QUESTION.

THE DOOR THAT IS RIGHT BY YOUR ENTRY DOOR THAT GOES INTO THE DINING ROOM, IS THAT GOING TO BE AN, THE MAIN EXIT FOR PEOPLE IN THE DINING ROOM OR IS IT GONNA STAY LOCKED? UH, THAT ONE IS GONNA STAY, YEAH.

MAY DO YOU MIND IF I ASK THAT? NO, NOT AT ALL.

SORRY.

UH, IT'S A WEIRD SITUATION.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, IN THE INTERIOR OF THAT DOOR, THERE IS AN ERROR ON THAT DRAWING, WHICH WE DISCOVERED AFTERWARDS.

AND I APOLOGIZE, THAT DOOR IS EXISTING, WE'RE GONNA MAINTAIN, THE DOOR IS EXISTING, BUT THE INTERIOR OF THAT DOOR HAS ALREADY BEEN PLASTERED OVER AND WE'RE MAINTAINING THE INTERIOR AS PLASTERED OVER DOORS.

SO THAT WILL NOT BE AN OPERABLE DOOR.

SO ONLY VISIBLE FROM THE EXTERIOR, NOT THE INTERIOR.

UH, VICE CHAIR GROFF, YOU HAVE A, AN A QUESTION, UH, ABOUT THE REVEALS AROUND THE WINDOWS.

I, I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE THINKING ABOUT THAT, WHERE THAT CAME FROM, AND I DON'T KNOW WHO TO ASK THAT TO.

YEAH, I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY HAVE, UH, THE APPLICANT, UH, ALSO, UH, COME UP FOR THAT ONE.

SO THAT WAS BASICALLY IN CONJUNCTION WITH DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF.

UM, WE ARE REMOVING SOME WINDOWS FOR THE PROGRAMMATIC REQUIREMENTS OF THE BAKERY.

AND IN DOING SO, THEY ASKED IF WE COULD AT LEAST IDENTIFY THE LOCATIONS AND THE ORIGINAL SIZES OF THE WINDOWS, UM, IN SOME SUBTLE WAY.

UM, YOU KNOW, NORMALLY IF WE HAD STILL A FRAMEWORK TO WORK WITH, WE WOULD MAINTAIN THE FRAMEWORK AND WE THEN FILL IN PLASTER WITHIN THE FRAME.

THOSE FRAMES HAVE BEEN REMOVED.

SO REALLY ALL WE HAVE IS A BAD STUCCO PATCH JOB WHERE THE ORIGINAL WINDOW WAS.

SO OUR PIPELINE WAS TO RESTORE IT AND PUT A SMALL GROOVE SO THAT IN FUTURE RENOVATIONS, IF THEY WANT TO PUT A WINDOW THERE, WE'LL MAINTAIN THE EXISTING FRAMING INSIDE.

SO WE WILL INFILL THE FRAMING, BUT WE'LL MAINTAIN THE HEADER AND, UM, THAT WINDOW CAN BE RESTORED.

SO WE'RE RESTORING THEM TO, I MEAN, SORRY, WE'RE, WE'RE OUTLINING WHERE THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS WERE OR WHERE THE WINDOWS THAT WERE CHANGED ARE WHERE THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS ARE.

WINDOW.

SO THEN, SO THEN YOU'RE GONNA REMOVE THE NON-ORIGINAL WINDOWS, DO A LINE AROUND AN OUTLINE AROUND THE, UH, ORIGINAL WINDOW SIZE, AND THEN TRY TO MATCH THE STUCCO OR SOMETHING TO MM-HMM .

THANK THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS.

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EXACTLY.

TO OKAY.

TO THE EXISTING.

GOOD LUCK WITH THAT .

THAT'S HARD TO DO.

COMMISSIONERS, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? IF NOT, THANK YOU.

AT THIS TIME, WE'LL NOW TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT.

WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK REGARDING THIS ITEM ON THE AGENDA? PLEASE STAND UP TO THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.

LOUIS IVERS, EXCUSE ME, 1837 EAST SIXTH STREET, LONG BEACH, 9 0 8 0 2.

I'M THE VICE PRESIDENT FOR ADVOCACY FOR LONG BEACH HERITAGE.

AND I MUST SAY THAT OUR ORGANIZATION IS OVERJOYED THAT THIS BUILDING HAS BEEN SAVED AND ALSO BECOME A CITY LANDMARK, AND THAT ONE OF OUR LEGACY BUSINESSES HAS BOUGHT THE PLACE AND IS RESTORING IT AS MUCH AS THEY CAN, UM, TO MAKE IT A VIABLE BUSINESS.

UH, SO YEAH, WE DEFINITELY APPROVE OF THIS PROJECT AND WE'RE REALLY HAPPY TO SEE IT BROUGHT BEFORE YOU.

THANK YOU, MS. IVERS.

I WAS LOOKING FOR YOUR LETTER, BUT I DIDN'T SEE ONE IN THE PACKAGE.

AT THIS TIME, ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS PARTICULAR AGENDA ITEM? UH, GOOD EVENING.

UH, MY NAME IS LEE KUI.

UH, I'M A, UH, RESIDENT AND ALSO A CUSTOMER OF, UM, UH, JAMAY BAKERY.

AND IF YOU'VE BEEN IN THERE, UM, I HOPE THAT YOU GUYS CAN BE SOMEWHAT FLEXIBLE ABOUT, UH, SOME OF THE ITEMS IN THE BUILDING.

I MEAN, I I LOVE THAT IT'S BEING, UH, ADAPTIVELY REUSED.

IT'S, IT'S A WONDERFUL PROJECT.

I THINK IT LOOKS GREAT.

UM, UH, A LOT OF THE ITEMS, UH, THAT I NOTICED THAT WERE SHOWN ABOUT THE DISPLAY CASE AND, AND EVERYTHING, IF YOU'VE BEEN IN THEIR ORIGINAL LOCATION ON WILLOW, UM, THEY HAVE A LOT OF, UH, ITEMS AND I THINK, UH, IN REGARDS TO THAT CHALKBOARD, YOU KNOW, AND THAT, AND THAT SPACE BEING, UH, AVAILABLE FOR THEIR USE TO, YOU KNOW, AS A DISPLAY CASE OR WHATEVER, THEY HAVE A LOT OF ITEMS AND, UM, I COULD SEE THAT THEY MIGHT NEED THAT.

UM, AND ALSO THE SEATING ARRANGEMENT IS PRETTY TIGHT.

UM, BUT, UH, I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS TAKING THE TIME TO, TO GO OVER THIS AND I REALLY HOPE YOU APPROVE THE RECOMMENDATION AS IT IS.

BEFORE WE OPEN UP TO VIRTUAL, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS ITEM? MADAM CLERK? ARE THERE ANYBODY VIRTUALLY THAT WOULD LIKE TO, IF THERE ARE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE USE THE RAISE HAND FEATURE.

IF DIALING IN TELEPHONICALLY, PLEASE PRESS STAR NINE.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS.

SEEING NONE, THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS ITEM.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO STAFF, IF THAT'S OKAY.

UM, JUST WHEN THE SUBMISSION IS REVIEWED, THAT PERHAPS A, A COLOR RENDERING THAT PROVIDES MORE DETAIL CONCERNING THE, THE GUARDRAIL, THE STAIRWELL THAT'S BEING, UM, ALTERED.

UM, I, I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE COMPATIBILITY.

I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S BEEN USED IN PAST APPLICATIONS OF HISTORIC BUILDINGS, BUT I, I WOULD LIKE JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS A SOLUTION THAT IS THE MOST COMPATIBLE IS PRESENTED AND INSTALLED IN THE FINAL INSTALLATION.

AND I TRUST STAFF WILL MAKE THAT THE BEST JUDGMENT ON THAT.

WOULD WE NEED TO AMEND OUR MOTION FOR THAT PARTICULAR ITEM? I THINK IT'S JUST A RECOMMENDATION TO STAFF AND STAFF SEEMS TO HAVE PUT THAT DOWN.

YEAH, WE UNDERSTAND.

SO IT'S ALL ABOUT BALANCING.

THERE ARE SOME TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT, UM, STAIR RAILING, AND THIS IS A COMMERCIAL BUILDING, SO THOSE REQUIREMENTS ARE

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IMMUTABLE.

UM, BUT WITHIN THAT, UH, FRAMEWORK, WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT, UM, PARK SERVICE BUILDINGS AND OTHER BUILDINGS AND HOW THEY'VE, UM, TACKLED, UM, THIS ISSUE AND JUST MAKE SURE IT'S CONSISTENT.

UM, THERE IS A SIMILAR APPLICATION, UM, AT THE HOTEL LIKE THE APPLICANT MENTIONED, BUT THAT IS A DIFFERENT CONTEXT.

SO WE CAN, WE CAN, UH, TAKE A LOOK, UM, AS WE GO THROUGH THE FINAL, UM, BUILDING PERMIT STAGE.

AND THEN THERE WAS A QUESTION EARLIER ABOUT SORT OF SECURITY AND OVERNIGHT SECURITY.

SO I KNOW THE APPLICANT RESPONDED, BUT THAT'S ALSO PART OF OUR BUILDING PLAN, CHECK PROCESS AND CONSULTATION WITH PD.

SO WHILE IT'S NOT KIND OF IN THIS COMMISSION'S, UM, JURISDICTION, IT IS PART OF THE FINAL PROCESS FOR THIS PROJECT TO GET BUILT AND ULTIMATELY OPERATE.

THANK YOU ANNETTE COMMENT.

AND I HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT FOLLOW UP PLEASE.

I DON'T WANT THAT ONE LITTLE THING TO DIMINISH THAT THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN VERY BEAUTIFULLY DONE.

I APPRECIATE ALL OF THE THOUGHTFULNESS THAT WAS DONE IN THE DESIGN AND THE EFFORT THAT WAS MADE TO TRY TO PRESERVE SOME OF THE ORIGINAL CHARACTER THAT IS THERE.

AND YOU WERE DOING IT LARGELY AND I PERSONALLY VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THAT.

ON THAT COMMISSIONER, UH, COMMISSIONER PIZZA, UM, I WANNA ALSO SAY IT IS A VERY NICE PROJECT.

UM, MY FIRST IMPRESSION WAS, WOW, IT, IT'S, UM, QUITE NICE AND, UM, THOUGHTFUL AND I DID APPRECIATE THE CREATIVITY OF REUSING THE LOCKER FRONTS.

UM, I JUST THINK BECAUSE I WAS ON THIS COMMISSION WHEN THIS PROJECT WENT, UM, UH, TO, UM, CITY COUNCIL, UM, I KNOW THERE WAS DISCUSSION OF SAVING THESE FEATURES.

SO, UM, THE BLACKBOARD AND, UM, LOCKERS SPECIFICALLY.

UM, SO WHEN I SEE SIX PANELS NOT, UH, OR USED AND EIGHT NOT, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO JUSTIFY WHY ARE WE USING LESS AND TOSSING MORE.

SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A STAFF LEVEL, UM, THING, BUT THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT USING THEM UPSTAIRS.

I MEAN, I'M HAPPY TO HEAR WHAT SOME OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS FEEL ABOUT THIS, UM, IF IT HAS TO ACTUALLY HAVE A SPECIFIC MOTION, BUT I DON'T THINK SO.

I WAS THINKING IF IT COULD BE ADDRESSED TO, TO SEE ABOUT REUSING SOME OF THE PANELS LEVEL.

SO WE CAN WORK WITH THE APPLICANT.

I KNOW HE MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS SOME STUDY REQUIRED.

UM, I SAY THIS WITH THE MOST OF MOST RESPECT.

I KNOW YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC MEMORY OF WHEN THIS CAME BEFORE THE COMMISSION BEFORE, BUT THE CITY COUNCIL DID MAKE A CONSCIOUS CHOICE TO OVERRULE YOU ON THAT SPECIFIC MATTER.

UM, SO YOU JUST, I THINK, WANNA BE CONSCIOUS OF THAT.

WE CERTAINLY CAN WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO THE DEGREE FEASIBLE, UM, TO, UH, RETAIN ADDITIONAL, UH, MATERIAL IN TERMS OF THOSE LOCKERS.

BUT I ALSO, UH, THAT ELECTED BODY HAD THE FINAL SAY AND, AND WE HAVE SPECIFIC INSTRUCTION FROM THEM.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO BALANCE ALL OF THAT, UM, AND, AND IMPLEMENT, UH, INSTRUCTIONS BOTH FROM THIS BODY BUT ALSO FROM THAT FINAL DECISION MAKER.

AND THANK YOU DIRECTOR KUNZ.

I, I APPRECIATE THAT AND I, I RESPECT THAT AND, AND THAT'S WHY I DON'T THINK IT'S A, I WASN'T ABOUT TO DO A MOTION TO TO, TO OVERRULE WHAT WAS DONE IN THE PAST.

UM, BUT I I, I KNOW THE APPLICANT SOUNDED LIKE THEY WERE WILLING TO DO IT, SO THAT'S WHY I'M SPECIFICALLY YEAH.

CALLING OUT THE LAW REPORTS AND WE'LL WORK THROUGH THOSE DETAILS IN THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS.

THINK WE COULD RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE ON THAT.

I HAVE ONE FINAL QUESTION RELATED TO THE LOCKERS.

IS IT FEASIBLE TO ADD A SINGLE LOCKER ACROSS FROM THE CURVED SHELF, UM, RIGHT BEFORE THE VESTIBULE TO GO UP THE STAIRS AND THEN IT WOULD BE SEVEN LOCKERS OUT OF 14 AND THAT WOULD BE HALF? SO I'M NOT GONNA SAY NO, I'M GONNA SAY THE SAME ANSWER.

I WOULD PREFER TO STUDY IT.

UM, I THINK THE THING THAT WORKS ABOUT THE SIX LOCKERS IS THEY'RE CONTINUOUS AND THEY LOOK LIKE SIX LOCKERS.

THEY LOOK LIKE A PANELED WALL AND THAT'S GONNA LOOK GREAT.

IT REALLY IS.

UM, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO DOING IT, BUT FOR ME, I WOULD WANT TO STUDY IT.

I WOULD WANT TO TALK TO THE CLIENT.

I I'M JUST SAYING THIS IN PRINCIPLE, I FEEL LIKE IT'S MORE IMPORTANT FOR IT TO TELL A STORY AND LOOK LIKE IT BELONGS THAN JUST TO ADD ONE MORE LOCKER.

SO TO THAT EXTENT, I, I'LL LOOK AT ANY, AND I THINK THE, THE, THIS COMMISSION IS SAYING, IN THEIR OPINION, IT'S MORE IMPORTANT TO TELL THE STORY THAT THE LOCKERS, THAT AS MANY LOCKERS ARE REMAINING IN THAT HALLWAY, RIGHT? AND I, I

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I THINK THE PRESENTATION IS IMPORTANT, SO I'M NOT SAYING NO, I'M SAYING, UM, I, I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE AGREEING OTHER THAN TO THE EXTENT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO STUDY IT, SKETCH IT UP, TALK TO THE CLIENT PROGRAMMATICALLY, AND UM, DO WHAT I THINK AND WE THINK AND WHAT THEY THINK IS BEST FOR THE PROJECT.

AND SO I'D LIKE TO ASK THAT.

I'D ASK STAFF FOR THE DIMENSIONS OF THAT WALL AND TO SEE IF IT WOULD FIT AND THEN DEFER TO COMMISSIONER PISO ON THAT ONE.

SO WE'RE GONNA WORK ON, UM, PULLING THAT AS WE DO.

I THINK THIS COULD HAVE BEEN MORE CLEAR IN THE RECORD.

SO I'M JUST GONNA, UM, SHARE A LITTLE BIT OF DETAIL FROM THE FINAL CITY COUNCIL ACTION.

SO THAT WAS, UH, JANUARY 23RD, 2024, UH, DID PROTECT THE ENTIRE EXTERIOR PROTECTED, UM, THE FOLLOWING INTERNAL FEATURES.

SO RECEPTION ROOM, FIREPLACE AND BUILT-INS, APPARATUS, ENGINE ROOM, WOOD TRUST, CEILING AND FIRE HOSE TOWER, UM, AND THEN ADAPTIVE REUSE AND OR PHOTOGRAPHY OF REMAINING FEATURES TO THE EXTENT FEASIBLE, INCLUDING THE BLACKBOARD, OUTDOOR DOOR, ORIGINAL DOORS, ORIGINAL LOCKER, STAIRWAY, AND VAULT, AS WELL AS THE REPLACEMENT OF THE PLAQUE.

SO IT WAS KIND OF SUMMARIZED IN THE REPORT, BUT JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE THOSE DETAILS, UM, FROM THE JANUARY 23RD MEETING OF LAST YEAR FROM COUNCIL.

THAT'S VERY HELPFUL, UH, TO THE EXTENT FEASIBLE.

THAT'S VERY HELPFUL.

COMMISSIONERS.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I, I HAVE A QUESTION FROM MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.

UM, IS THERE A COMPROMISE THAT THE COMMISSION WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH IF THE APPLICANT IS NOT ABLE TO INCORPORATE A SEVENTH OR THE OTHER? COULD THERE BE AN ADDITIONAL ENHANCEMENT TO THE STORYTELLING IN TERMS OF A PHOTO OF THE AMOUNT OF THE ORIGINAL LOCKERS FROM THE FLOOR PLAN THAT WERE THERE? COULD THERE BE A SHORT NARRATIVE ON THE WALL THAT SAYS THERE WERE ORIGINALLY 14 LOCKERS FOR THE ORIGINAL FIREFIGHTER STAFF THAT WAS LOCATED IN THIS BUILDING AND THE YEAR IT WAS CONSTRUCTED? I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER THE APPLICANT SOME SORT OF ADDITIONAL HELP IN IF, IF IT IS NOT FEASIBLE, THAT THE COMMISSION WOULD BE SATISFIED WITH, AND MAKING SURE THAT NARRATIVE DOESN'T COMPLETELY DISAPPEAR AS IT SEEMS TO BE A VERY IMPORTANT ELEMENT TO SAVE.

AND COMMISSIONER PADILLA PEREZ, I THINK IT'S REALLY GREAT SUGGESTION.

AND LOOKING BACK AT THE CONDITIONS, I THINK WE COULD HAVE DONE A BETTER JOB ON INTERPRETATION.

SO THE COMMISSION AND THEIR MOTION MAY WANT TO ADD A REQUIREMENT.

YOU KNOW, WE ARE, WE'RE DOING HAVES LIKE PHOTOGRAPHY, BUT WE DON'T REALLY DESCRIBE WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO WITH THAT.

SO IN ADDITION TO PROVIDING THAT TO THE LIBRARY AND THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY, WHICH IS OUR STANDARD PRACTICE, UM, I THINK WHAT WE COULD DO IS, UM, INCORPORATE SOME, UH, YOU KNOW, INTERPRETATION, WHICH IS A WRITTEN DESCRIPTION OF THE BUILDING AND ITS HISTORY AS WELL AS SOME PHOTOGRAPHS, UM, AS PART OF THE OVERALL PROJECT.

UM, I THINK, UM, THE APPLICANT IS, OR THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE HAS DONE THAT ON OTHER PROJECTS AND, AND CERTAINLY THAT MAY GET AT, UM, THE POINT YOU'RE MAKING.

MR. THOMAS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS ITEM ON THE INTERPRETATION? THANK YOU.

JOHN THOMAS, 2 8 0 MOLLINO AVENUE, NUMBER 1 0 1, LONG BEACH, CALIFORNIA 9 0 8 0 3.

UM, YES, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT A ROBUST INTERPRETATION PROGRAM THAT WOULD AND COULD INCLUDE HISTORIC PHOTOS OF THE FIRE STATION, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IN GENERAL, AND CELEBRATE THE ORIGINAL USE, UM, IN THE ERA OF THE BUILDING.

AND CERTAINLY WORKING WITH HABS AND THE STANDARDS, WE WOULD BE MOST INTERESTED IN DEVELOPING A WRITTEN, UH, AND CURATE A WRITTEN INTERPRETATION OF SOME OF THE FEATURES THAT MAY NOT BE WITH US ANY LONGER.

THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT WE WOULD DO, AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH THE OWNERSHIP TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION.

COMMISSIONER PADILLA PEREZ, IS THAT ACCEPTABLE? YES, ABSOLUTELY.

AND FOR STAFF WE COULD WORK THIS.

YEAH, SO I UNDERSTAND THE COMMISSION'S INTENT AND WORK IN A, UH, OUT OF CONDITION TO THAT EFFECT AS PART OF THE FINAL APPROVAL.

THANK YOU, MR. THOMAS.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.

BEFORE I CALL FOR THE VOTE, ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS REGARDING THIS PROJECT? AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT, UM, ON BEHALF OF THE CERRITOS HISTORICAL DISTRICT, THAT THE, UM, ORIGINALLY WHEN THE PROJECT, WHEN THIS BUILDING WAS, UH, DEEMED NOT USABLE FOR THE CITY AND THAT THEY DECIDED TO SELL IT, THERE WERE MULTIPLE IDEAS SHARED, INCLUDING APARTMENTS, UM, OTHER TYPES OF MIXED USE, UM, BUILDING BUSINESSES.

COMMISSIONER PADILLA PE PEREZ, THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S GREAT.

I, I COULD EVEN SEE A PLAQUE AT THE LOCKERS EXPLAINING THAT THERE WAS 14 AND NOW THESE ARE THE SIX THAT HAVE SURVIVED AND ET CETERA, ET CETERA.

SO, OR SEVEN MAYBE

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AND THIS APPEARS TO BE EXCEPTIONALLY, UH, APPROPRIATE FOR THE AREA.

AND I, I THINK OVER THESE LAST YEAR AND A HALF OR SO BETWEEN THE PURCHASE AS WELL AS NOW THE DESIGN AND THE IMPLEMENTATION, I, I THINK, UH, APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE ON THIS, UH, MR. VENICE FOR YOUR HELP AS WELL.

UM, IF THERE ARE NOT ANY OTHER COMMENTS, I WOULD LIKE TO CALL FOR THE VOTE.

COMMISSIONER BODEK AND COMMISSIONER PRYOR.

I CAN TAKE A VERBAL IF YOU DON'T SEE IT ON YOUR TABLET.

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