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           TO ORDER FOR MARCH 26TH, 2025. 
          UH, MY NAME IS ROLANDO CRUZ. 
          AND THE, UH, CHAIR, UH, FOR, FOR THE COMMISSION HERE. 
          SO, CLARK, CAN YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? COMMISSIONER HOWER. 
          PRESENT. 
          COMMISSIONER OCHOA. 
          PRESENT. 
          VICE CHAIR. 
          IS IT AMY? AMY, YES. 
          HERE, AMY AND CHAIR CRUZ HERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AND I THINK WE'RE READY FOR THE FIRST ITEM. 
          SO IF YOU CAN PLEASE READ THE FIRST ITEM. 
          CLERK ITEM ONE IS A RECOMMENDATION TO INTRODUCE MEASURE A DEPARTMENT, REPRESENTATIVES FROM FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT, PUBLIC WORKS, FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I GOTTA GET A MOTION ON THIS. 
          I, I'M GONNA FIND THAT, BUT CAN I GET A MOTION ON THIS ITEM? SO SECOND, HOWARD SECOND. 
          SO IT'S BEEN MOVED BY MEMBER AMY. 
          AND SECONDED BY MEMBER? HOWARD. 
          HOWARD. 
          HOWARD. 
          HOWARD. 
          I DON'T WANNA SAY HOWARD. 
          HOWARD. 
          HOWARD. 
          STAFF. 
          UH, IS THERE A PRESENTATION? UH, YES. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR. 
          UH, WE HAVE A COMPILATION OF STAFF FROM OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT, POLICE DEPARTMENT, PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, AND FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT HERE. 
          SO WE'LL JUST KIND OF HAVE EVERYONE MAYBE STEP UP TO THE FRONT TO JUST DO A NAME, INTRODUCTION TO HOW LONG THEY'VE BEEN WITH THE CITY AND ANY OTHER INFORMATION YOU'D LIKE TO KNOW. 
          BUT IT'LL JUST BE KIND OF A VERBAL REPORT. 
          SO WHICHEVER DEPARTMENT YOU'D LIKE TO START WITH FIRST. 
          OH, YOU, YOU GO AHEAD AND CALL THE, THE GROUP BY REGINA. 
          DO YOU KNOW WHICH ONES ARE HERE? WE'LL START WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IF THEY WANNA INTRODUCE THEMSELVES. 
          YES. 
          GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONER. 
          I MEAN, GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONER. 
          UH, IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE AS FIRE CHIEF DESK. 
          YOU CAN, AND I GOT MY STAFF HERE. 
          THESE ARE THE PERSONNEL THAT WILL BE PRESENTING TO YOU FUTURE MEASURE A PRESENTATIONS. 
          I HAVE OUR BUSINESS OPERATIONS BUREAU, CHIEF MARA VENTURA, OUR DEPUTY CHIEF OF OPERATIONS, JEFF ARDEN, AND OUR FINANCIAL SERVICE OFFICER IS NEW TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, IS ANDREA CHE. 
          UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE INTRODUCE OURSELVES. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, JUDGE. 
          SO WHEN I INTRODUCE YOURSELF, DEFINITELY YOUR ROLE IN MEASURE A SO THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITH MEASURE A, LIKE IF THEY'RE THE ONES RESPONSIBLE FOR MANAGING THE BUDGET OR DOING THE PROJECTIONS OR WHATEVER. 
          UH, SO CAN YOU KIND OF HELP US? 'CAUSE I, I SAW THE THREE, BUT I, I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO WRITE THE NAMES AND, AND WHAT THEIR ROLE IS. 
          YEAH, SO USING PAST PRESENTATIONS, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT MEASURING THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, WE ONLY PRESENTATIONS DON'T MEASURE ANY, WHAT WE'RE USING THOSE FUNDS FOR, SUCH AS RECRUIT,  OR STAFFING OR EQUIPMENT OR INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          BUT IN REGARDS TO OUR, DEPEND WHAT THE FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT ON THAT IN REGARDS TO ANYTHING MORE DETAIL YOU WANT TO MAP. 
          BUT THAT'S NORMALLY WHAT WE DO IF I WANT ON OUR PRESENTATIONS. 
          OKAY, SO IT'S JUST PRESENTATIONS ON HOW YOU'RE SPENDING. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND, AND STAFFING. 
          SO FOR EXAMPLE, UH, AN ENGINE COMPANY OR A PRIMARY RESCUE, AND THEN PROJECTS SIMILAR TO IAN. 
          PERFECT. 
          THANK WE GO TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT NOW. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          UH, I AM JULISSA JOSE MURRAY, THE BUREAU CHIEF FOR BUSINESS OPERATIONS, UH, FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          SO I OVERSEE FINANCE AND PERSONNEL, UH, AND FACILITIES FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          UH, I HAVE HERE WITH ME, UH, COMMANDER GREG BROWN, WHO IS COMMANDER FOR, UH, WEB DIVISION RIGHT NOW. 
          AND PREVIOUSLY HE WAS THE COMMANDER FOR THE TRAINING ACADEMY, WHICH IS FUNDED BY MS. RAY AND COMMANDER ERIC FERNANDEZ, WHO'S THE COMMANDER OVER SOUTH DIVISION. 
          UH, AND WE COME HERE, WE DO PRESENTATIONS. 
          WE ALWAYS TRY TO BRING, UM, SOME OF OUR COMMANDERS SO THEY CAN TALK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING. 
          THE TWO COMMANDERS THAT ARE HERE TODAY SPECIFICALLY, THEY ARE, UH, RESPONSIBLE FOR DIVISIONS THAT MEASURE EIGHT FUNDS DIRECTLY. 
          UH, MEASURE THE ACADEMY IS ONE THAT MEASURE EIGHT ALLOWED US TO, TO FULLY FUND ONGOING. 
          UH, WE ARE NOW DOING BACK TO BACK TO BACK ACADEMY, SO THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. 
          AND, UH, WHEN WE RESTORED, WHEN MEASURE EIGHT FIRST STARTED, WE RESTORED SOUTH DIVISION BECAUSE WE HAD A WEST AND A SOUTH DIVISION. 
          SO HAD THREE DIVISIONS THAT ALLOWED US TO HAVE THE WORK. 
          SO MY TEAM WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH THE BUDGET OFFICE. 
          THEY GIVE US THE PRESENTATIONS, BUT WE MAKE SURE THAT, UM, WE HAVE THE STAFFING TO DO THE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. 
          UH, WE WORKED TO ENSURE WE ADDED A POSITION. 
          UH, MERIE ADDED A POSITION, I THINK TWO YEARS AGO, WHICH WAS THE, THE JAIL NURSE PROGRAM. 
          AND SO WE WORKED WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT POSITION WAS FUNDED AND HIRED FOR, AND THAT IT'S DOING WHAT IT NEEDS TO DO. 
          MY TEAM IS ALSO RESPONSIBLE FOR, UH, WORKING WITH PUBLIC WORK ON ALL THE CAPITAL INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, ITEMS THAT MEASURE EIGHT FUNDS. 
          SO THE POLICE ACADEMY IS THE BIGGEST ONE. 
          WE'RE ALSO WORKING ON THE CRIME LAB AND, UM, I THINK BOTH OF THE COMMANDERS HAVE AT THEIR DIVISIONS, THEIR SUBSTATIONS, UM, WHERE COMMISSIONER A IS PROVIDING FUNDING FOR THOSE AS WELL. 
          AND WE USUALLY DO A PRESENTATION. 
          THAT PRESENTATION 
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I THINK WAS TOWARDS THE END OF THE YEAR, SO IT WASN'T THAT LONG AGO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT. 
          HEY, GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. 
          MY NAME'S JONATHAN BOLAND, ACTING BUSINESS OPERATIONS BUREAU MANAGER. 
          I'VE BEEN IN THIS ROLE FOR 19 MONTHS NOW. 
          I JOINED THE CITY IN 2018. 
          UM, I DO HAVE A NUMBER OF MY STAFF HERE. 
          I WILL LET THEM INTRODUCE THEMSELVES. 
          MY ROLE, UM, IS, UH, TO DELIVER OUR PUBLIC WORKS INFRASTRUCTURE UPDATES TO THIS COMMITTEE. 
          UM, AND WE WORK WITH OUR STAFF WITHIN PUBLIC WORKS TO DEVELOP THOSE PRESENTATIONS, THE STATISTICS, UM, AND THEN ALSO PUBLIC WORKS IS TASKED WITH OVERSEEING THE CITY'S CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, WHICH CLEARLY MEASURE A CONTRIBUTES A GREAT DEAL TOO. 
          UM, I'LL HAND IT OVER TO MARILYN OFFICE. 
          HELLO, MARILYN . 
          UM, I'VE BEEN, AND EXCUSE ME, WITH THE CITY OF LONG BEACH SINCE 2011. 
          MY BACKGROUND IS IN CIVIL ENGINEERING. 
          AND MY TEAM, UM, I, I'M A BUREAU MANAGER OF THE PROJECT MANAGEMENT BUREAU. 
          WE HAVE THREE DIVISIONS. 
          ONE OVERSEES, UH, IMPROVEMENT, PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT IMPROVEMENTS, AND THE IMPACTS OF THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. 
          AND THE OTHER TWO DIVISIONS ARE FOCUSED ON PIP DELIVERY. 
          UM, THAT INCLUDES TITLE AND STATE HUB OF OUR CIP. 
          FUNDS DO COME FROM MERE. 
          SO WE ARE FUNDING PARKS, PROJECTS, HEALTH DEPARTMENT PROJECTS, PD, FIRE, UM, MANY PARKS. 
          AND THEN ALSO, UM, SOME OF OUR STREET AND TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS AS WELL ARE FUNDED UNDER, UM, WITH MERE DOLLARS AND VARIOUS FUNDING SOURCES. 
          BUT THAT IS NOT UNDER MY BUREAU, THAT IT'S FALLS UNDER ENGINEERING AND, UM, THE TRAFFIC PROJECT. 
           MEET YOU ALL AGAIN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HI EVERYBODY. 
          UM, MY NAME IS ANNA NDA. 
          I'VE BEEN WITH THE CITY FOR ABOUT 20 YEARS, ALL WITH PUBLIC WORKS IN MY NEW ROLE. 
          UM, I'M THE CAPITAL BUDGET OFFICER, SO I OVERSEE THE CAPITAL BUDGET. 
          AND, UM, I, ALONGSIDE WITH JOHN, WE DEVELOPED THE ANNUAL, UH, BUDGET, WHICH INCLUDES FEBRUARY, OF COURSE. 
          AND I WORK REALLY CLOSELY WITH JONATHAN TO DELIVER ALL THE ITEMS YOU SPOKE ABOUT UP. 
          SEAN, SEAN MC. 
          I'M A ADMINISTRATIVE ANALYST WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT WITH PUBLIC WORKS, BUT PARTS PROGRAMS. AND ALSO, UM, I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR KIND OF KEEPING TRACK OF THE MEASURE A, UH, DOLLARS AND APPROPRIATIONS. 
          AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST IS OUR FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT. 
          SO THE ONES THAT YOU INTERFACE WITH THE MOST AND LIAISON WITH IS, UM, THE CAC. 
          WE HAVE OUR FEARLESS LEADER. 
          KEVIN, DO YOU WANNA INTRODUCE MICHELLE ? UH, MY NAME'S KEVIN REPER. 
          I'M THE DIRECTOR OF THE NATIONAL MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT. 
          AND, UH, OUR ROLE IS WITH RESPECT TO MEASURE A IS, UM, THE BUDGET OFFICE OBVIOUSLY STAFFS THE MEASURE A ADVISORY COMMITTEE. 
          THE BUDGET OFFICE ALSO MAKES THE REVENUE FORECAST THAT SHOWS HOW MUCH IS AVAILABLE TO BE ALLOCATED. 
          AND THEN THE TREASURY BUREAU INSIDE THE FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT, UM, ISSUES ALL CITY DEBT, UM, INCLUDING THE MEASURE A INFRASTRUCTURE BONDS THAT WERE SOLD IN THE SPRING 2023, AND WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT LATER IN THE PRESENTATION BY ME. 
          UM, I'M JOINED ALSO BY DEPUTY FINANCE DIRECTOR AMANDA HALL. 
          AND OF COURSE YOU ALREADY KNOW BUDGET MANAGER, REBECCA , YOU KNOW, BUDGET DEVELOPMENT OFFICER, LEADER, KAMO, YOU KNOW, BUDGETS, BUDGET ANALYSTS, SOUND OR , BUT YOU DON'T YET KNOW IN DETAIL AMANDA HALL. 
          SO SHE'LL GO NEXT. 
          OH, AND I'VE ONLY BEEN WITH THE CITY FOR THREE AND A HALF YEARS, SO I'M A, I'M A NEWBIE, AMANDA. 
          ALRIGHT, WELL GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. 
          AGAIN, MY NAME IS HALL. 
          I'M THE DEPUTY FINANCE DIRECTOR. 
          I HAVE BEEN WITH THE CITY ABOUT SEVEN YEARS. 
          I'VE BEEN IN MY CURRENT ROLE, ALMOST BE YEAR AND A HALF. 
          AND SO I'M EXCITED TO BE HERE. 
          AND AS KEVIN SAID, OUR ROLE IS RELATED DIRECTLY TO THE BUDGET AND THE FORECASTING AS WELL AS THE DEBT MANAGEMENT. 
          AND I PROVIDE GENERAL SUPPORT TO, UH, THE VARIOUS BUREAUS WITHIN THE FINANCIAL MANAGERS DEPARTMENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THAT CONCLUDES OUR, UH, PRESENTATION. 
          WE ARE REALLY APPRECIATIVE AND, UM, EXCITED TO BE ABLE TO SHARE THIS TO YOU IN KIND OF A MORE INFORMAL RETREAT SETTING SO WE CAN INTRODUCE YOU INSTEAD OF UP ON THE DINOSAUR. 
          IT FEELS A LITTLE MAYBE MORE PERSONAL WHEN WE'RE DOWN HERE. 
          SO WE'RE GLAD TO BE ABLE TO INTRODUCE YOU ALL, UM, TO THE FOLKS BEHIND THE SCENES THAT WE PRODUCED ALL THE INFORMATION TO OUR PRESENTATIONS AND ALL THE FINANCIAL OVERSIGHT YOU MENTIONED. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO BEFORE WE GO ON AND, AND DO OUR OWN INTRODUCTIONS, 'CAUSE I'D LIKE US TO DO INTRODUCTION. 
          I THINK I HAVE TO ASK THE COURT IF THERE'S ANY PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS ITEM. 
          , IF ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. 
          NO PUBLIC COMMENT HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO MEMBERS, AS PART OF OUR DISCUSSION, BUT I'D LIKE TO GO AROUND THE ROOM, WE'LL JUST BRIEFLY INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND WHY YOU'RE ON THIS COMMISSION, AND THEN, AND THEN I WILL EXPLAIN WHY WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE, OR WHY I WAS PUSHING TO HAVE THIS KIND OF GROUND TABLE DISCUSSION. 
          . 
          SO, UH, MEMBER HOWARD, DO YOU WANT NOT NOT AT 
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ALL. 
          MY NAME IS JAN HOWARD. 
          UM, MY CURRENT ROLE IN THE COMMUNITY IS THAT I'M THE PRESIDENT OF LONG BEACH, COLORADO SENIORS. 
          AND IN THAT CAPACITY, I'M A FULL-TIME VOLUNTEER. 
          I'M NOT AN EMPLOYEE AT THE ORGANIZATION. 
          I'VE BEEN, UM, WORKING WITH COLORADO FOR 15 YEARS AS A FULL-TIME VOLUNTEER. 
          BUT THERE, I THINK THE REASON I'M ON THIS COMMISSION IS THAT THE MAJORITY OF MY CAREER WAS IN FINANCE. 
          I WORKED FOR A COMPANY CALLED EASTMAN OFFICE SUPPLIES THAT SOME OF, MOST OF YOU PROBABLY DON'T REMEMBER, YOU'RE TOO YOUNG. 
          UM, UH, AND IT WAS ACQUIRED BY OFFICE DEPOT IN THE MID NINETIES. 
          AND I WAS THE CONTROLLER AND VICE PRESIDENT OF FINANCE IN A, AN ERA OF PRE-COMPUTER FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT. 
          WE USED TO PUT OUT 30,000 PAGES PRINTED PAGES OF FINANCIAL DOCUMENTS EVERY MONTH. 
          SO, UM, I HAVE A BACKGROUND IN FINANCE AND AND ACCOUNTING AND CHAIR . 
          ARE YOU PROMOTED MEMBER? THERE YOU GO. 
          HI EVERYBODY. 
          I'M DAVID OCHOA. 
          UM, I, MY ROLE IN THE COMMUNITY IS I'M A SENIOR DISTRICT REPRESENTATIVE FOR STATE SENATOR TOM HUMBERG OVER IN ORANGE COUNTY. 
          I'VE LIVED IN THE CITY FOR, IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY TIME I THINK ABOUT IT, IT JUST KEEPS GETTING BIGGER, BUT IT, IT IS BEEN ALMOST 10 YEARS NOW. 
          UM, AND ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I WANTED TO JOIN THE, UH, CAC WAS BECAUSE I FELT LIKE, YOU KNOW, I I HELPED PASS MEASURE A, I FELT LIKE I SHOULD HELP C IT THROUGH MAKE SURE IT IS DOING ITS JOB. 
          AND SO I, I'M PRIVATE PART OF THE POSITION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND, UH, MEMBER KING. 
          UH, MY OFFICIAL TITLE IS DR. 
          ROBERT AMY, BUT I ONLY ANSWER THE BOMB. 
          SO IT SAYS ROBERT. 
          I KNOW THEY DON'T KNOW ME. 
          I, I'VE BEEN IN LONG BEACH FOR ABOUT 50 YEARS AND I'VE BEEN ON SEVERAL, UH, NOT-FOR-PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS ON THE BOARD, VOLUNTEERED. 
          AND, UH, I KNEW TWO MEMBERS OF THIS COMMITTEE WHEN I WENT ON. 
          THEY, THEY QUIT SO  FOR WHATEVER REASON. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, UM, MY NAME IS ROLANDO CRUZ. 
          I'M THE CHAIR SERVING THIS YEAR. 
          UM, I AM RETIRED NOW, RECENTLY RETIRED, AND THUS TRYING TO GET MORE INVOLVED IN PARTICIPATING AND HELPING OUT. 
          UH, I DO A LOT OF WORK WITH NONPROFITS ALL OVER THE PLACE AND I'VE HAD, UH, A LOT OF FUN BEING THE CITY OF LONG BEACH FOR 30 PLUS YEARS. 
          I LOVE MY CITY WITHOUT A DOUBT. 
          I MEAN, I JUST ABSOLUTELY LOVE THE CITY. 
          I THINK IT'S THE BEST CITY. 
          I'VE LIVED ALL OVER THIS COUNTRY, UH, FROM NEW YORK, DC YOU NAME IT. 
          BUT I'VE SETTLED HERE FOR A REASON. 
          UM, AND I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT BEING PART OF THIS COMMISSION BECAUSE I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE THINK ABOUT WHERE WE'RE AT AS A COMMISSION, EIGHT YEARS OF PASSED, THAT WAS THE MAX. 
          SO EVERYBODY WHO WAS ON THERE, I KNOW THERE WAS A COUPLE PEOPLE THAT WERE THERE THE ENTIRE EIGHT YEARS, AND THEN THEY CAN NO LONGER SERVE. 
          AND WE'RE ALL NEW BLOOD. 
          AND SO BEING ALL NEW BLOOD, THE HISTORY OF WHAT'S HAPPENED AND WHAT'S GONE ON, I'VE BEEN HEARING A LOT OF THINGS ABOUT, UH,  AND THIS COMMISSION FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS. 
          I HEAR IT FROM MY NEIGHBORS ALL THE TIME WHO AT TIMES TALK BAD ABOUT THE CITY. 
          BUT I'M ALWAYS CONSTANTLY REMINDING 'EM OF HOW GREAT THE CITY IS. 
          'CAUSE I'M PROBABLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST ADVOCATES AND CHEERLEADERS FOR OUR CITY. 
          UM, SO THE PURPOSE OF WHAT I'M HOPING WE'RE GONNA TRY TO DO HERE IS TO EDUCATE OURSELVES. 
          THE, THE FOUR OF US, UH, HAVE SEEN BITS AND PIECES. 
          UH, I, I REMEMBER WHEN IT WENT ON BALLOT, IT, I REMEMBER THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WERE GOING ON. 
          I REMEMBER TELLING PEOPLE, COME ON, YOU KNOW, IF WE, IF WE WANT A, A CITY THAT'S GONNA BE AS FAR CITY, WE HAVE TO INVEST IN THAT CITY. 
          AND, AND I KNOW I CONVINCED HUNDREDS, IF NOT THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE TO VOTE YES FOR IT. 
          AND, AND I'M FROM A VERY CONSERVATIVE AREA IN THE BLUFF PARK AREA. 
          SO, UH, THAT WAS, THAT WAS IMPORTANT. 
          AND I STILL BELIEVE IN IT. 
          AND, AND HOPEFULLY TODAY WE CAN WALK AWAY A LITTLE BIT MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE. 
          I WAS HOPING WE WERE GONNA HAVE OUR FIFTH MEMBER SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO, THAT PERSON WOULDN'T BE BEHIND. 
          AND UNFORTUNATELY, SOMETIMES THE WHEELS MOVE VERY SLOWLY IN THE CITY. 
          AND I PRESSED ON ON REX AND, AND JEFF WILLIAMS AND THAT DID NOT HAPPEN. 
          AND SO PUBLICLY, I'M GONNA SAY WE'RE ASKING THEM TO DO, ADD THAT FIFTH PERSON SO THAT WE COULD HAVE A FIFTH PERSON ON BOARD. 
          UM, SO WE ARE DEFINITELY EXCITED AND I THANK YOU ALL FOR EVEN TAKING THE TIME BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY SITTING IN HERE. 
          UH, MY BACKGROUND IS ALSO FINANCE. 
          UM, AND, AND I'VE WORKED FOR CITIES FOR YEARS, OR I USED TO WORK FOR LONG BEACH TRANSIT, WORKED IN THE CITY OF SANTA MONICA, WORKED FOR THE CITY OF CULVER CITY. 
          SO EVERY TIME THERE WAS A MEETING, I WAS ALWAYS COUNTING THE DOLLARS 
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IN MY HEAD,  AND BEING VERY WORRIED ABOUT THAT, THAT WE WERE BEING TRUTHFUL WITH THE FUNDS. 
          SO I HOPED THAT, UH, YOU GUYS, UH, CAN TAKE SOME EXPERIENCE FROM HERE AS WELL, AND HOPEFULLY, UH, EDUCATE US AND HOPEFULLY WE WILL BE BETTER AT TRYING TO DO WHAT MEASURE A COMMISSION IS SUPPOSED TO DO. 
          UH, SO WITH THAT, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU GUYS WANNA ADD BEFORE WE MOVE ON? THAT YOU GUYS DON'T? OKAY. 
          UM, SO I GUESS, DO WE HAVE TO CALL FOR A VOTE TO CLOSE THIS OR ACCEPT THIS OR, OKAY. 
          YES. 
          SO THEN IT SAYS, CLERK, PLEASE CALL FOR THE VOTE. 
          COMMISSIONER HOWARD. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER OCHOA. 
          YES. 
          VICE CHAIR. 
          AMY? YES. 
          CHAIR CRUZ. 
          YES. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          APPROVE THE INTRODUCTION. 
          SO WE'VE APPROVED THE INTRODUCTIONS, , THAT'S KIND OF ALRIGHT. 
          I, I'M, I'M, I'M GONNA FOLLOW UP WITH THE SCRIPT. 
          ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE READY. 
          UH, CAN YOU PLEASE READ THE NEXT ITEM, CLERK? YES. 
          ITEM TWO IS A RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE A PRESENTATION FROM THE OFFICE OF ETHICS AND TRANSPARENCY REGARDING THE ETHICS PROGRAM. 
          AND CAN I GET A MOTION ON THIS ITEM? SO WE'LL MOVE SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          IT HAS BEEN MOVED BY MEMBER AMY, AND SECONDED BY MEMBER OCHOA STAFF. 
          IS THERE A REPORT, UH, OR A PRESENTATION FOR THE SITE? YES. 
          HI THERE. 
          HI, CHAIR. 
          UH, MY NAME IS HEATHER VAN WICK. 
          I'M THE ETHICS OFFICER FOR OF LONG BEACH. 
          I MANAGE THE OFFICE OF ETHICS AND TRANSPARENCY, UM, DOING WHAT WE CALL A ROAD SHOW, TYPICALLY JEFF WILLIAMS IN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE. 
          . 
          SO NOW I KNOW WIFE, HE'S NOT HERE, UM, BECAUSE I . 
          BUT, UH, THESE UPDATES ARE IMPORTANT TO THE MAYOR. 
          SO, UM, AND THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. 
          SO WE HAVE PARTNERED TO BRING YOU THESE UPDATES AND THEN YOU'LL GET, UM, THE BROWN ACT PRESENTATION AFTER MY NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          SO, JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE OEC. 
          WE WERE OFFICIALLY BROUGHT TOGETHER AN FY 24, BRINGING TOGETHER THE ETHICS PROGRAM AND THE PUBLIC RECORD ACT PROGRAM UNDER ONE UMBRELLA. 
          AND WE ARE ALSO ALSO THE CITY MANAGERS DEPARTMENT. 
          OUR MISSION IS PRETTY SIMPLE TO BUILD AND MAINTAIN TRUST AMONG THE PUBLIC EMPLOYEES AND OUR OFFICIALS, AND TO PROVIDE NECESSARY RESOURCES TO MAKE THE DECISIONS THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE AS PUBLIC ADMINISTRATORS. 
          UH, WE WORK HARD, UH, TO HAVE A CENTRALIZED ETHICS PROGRAM. 
          THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, HAS BEEN ONE OF OUR CORE PRIORITIES SINCE WE STARTED, UM, TRAINING AND EDUCATION IS AT THE CORE OF WHAT WE DO. 
          AND WE'RE ALWAYS WORKING IN PARTNERSHIP WITH OUR MAYOR, OUR ATTORNEY, OUR AUDITOR, OUR CLERK, CITY MANAGER, AND HUMAN RESOURCES. 
          UM, AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW, WE DO HAVE AN ETHICS COMMISSION NOW THAT THE VOTERS APPROVED AT THE END OF 2018. 
          THIS IS ONE OF OUR CHARTER COMMISSIONS. 
          UM, IT IS A RECOMMENDING BODY, HOWEVER, UM, SO IT DOESN'T HAVE INVESTIGATIVE AUTHORITY OR ENFORCEMENT AUTHORITY. 
          UM, BUT THE CHARTER DOES GIVE THEM SOME OVERSIGHT OVER OUR EDUCATION PROGRAM. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          THIS IS THE OET. 
          SO BESIDES MYSELF, UM, NURSE JORGE GIA. 
          MEGAN IS OUR RECORDS COORDINATOR, INE LIANA AND SAM AND TYLER KERLEY ARE DEPUTY MANAGER, OVERSEE, UM, OUR LITTLE TEAM. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          SO JUST BRIEFLY, THIS IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THE LAST YEAR. 
          UM, THE ETHICS COMMISSION ADVOCATED FOR ONE TIME DOLLARS, UM, IN, AT THE END OF FY 23 FOR 24 FOR, UM, A ROADMAP, A STRATEGIC STRATEGIC PLANNING. 
          SO WE WERE ABLE TO BRING ON A CONSULTANTS. 
          WE FINISHED THAT STRATEGIC PLANNING TOWARDS THE END OF LAST YEAR. 
          AND, UM, SO FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, UM, THESE ESSENTIALLY WILL BE THE, OUR MARCHING ORDERS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT. 
          UM, WE STARTED OPERATIONALIZING IT IN JANUARY. 
          AND, UM, JUST HAVE LOTS OF GOOD THINGS THAT WE'LL BE BRINGING FORWARD. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO I'M ALSO HERE TODAY JUST TO TALK ABOUT, UM, ALL OF THE REQUIRED TRAININGS THAT YOU AS COMMISSIONERS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR TAKING. 
          AND JUST TO GO THROUGH THOSE SO YOU UNDERSTAND. 
          UM, WE NOW HAVE OUR CITY REQUIRED CODE OF CONDUCT AND ETHICS TRAINING. 
          UH, THIS WAS CODIFIED, I THINK AT THE BEGINNING OF 23. 
          UM, SO THIS, WE ALL HAVE TO TAKE THIS ANNUALLY. 
          NOW, THIS IS A 30 MINUTE GIVE OR TAKE TRAINING. 
          UM, WE ALSO HAVE THE STATE AND CITY REQUIRED HARASSMENT TRAINING FOR CALIFORNIA EMPLOYEES. 
          THIS IS BIENNIAL. 
          SO EVERY TWO YEARS. 
          ADDITIONALLY, 
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WE HAVE THE OTHER, UH, BIG ETHICS TRAINING. 
          THIS IS A 1234. 
          THIS IS STATE REQUIRED. 
          THIS IS TWO HOURS MINIMUM TRAINING. 
          THIS IS BY A, SO SOMETIMES THIS GETS CONFUSED WITH THE CITY'S CODE OF CONDUCT AND ETHICS TRAINING. 
          UM, THERE'S FIVE PARTS TO THE AB 1234. 
          ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, THE CITY ATTORNEY, UM, TOOK OVER, UM, PUTTING TOGETHER AB 1234. 
          SO THEY MADE THE CITY'S OWN VERSION OF THIS TRAINING. 
          AND THIS, UH, LIVES AND LEARNED WITH ALL THE OTHER TRAININGS. 
          UM, JUST WANTED TO NOTE FOR YOU GUYS THAT IN 2024, OUR CITY ATTORNEY DID HAVE TO REMOVE SEVEN COMMISSIONERS FOR NON-COMPLIANCE WITH, UH, THE AB 1234. 
          SO WE DO TAKE IT SERIOUSLY. 
          UH, JUST BE MINDFUL OF THE REMINDERS. 
          UM, LEARN WILL CONTINUE TO BUG YOU UNTIL YOU'VE TAKEN ALL OF THESE REQUIRED TRAINING. 
          IF YOU'RE NOT SURE WHAT LEARN IS, LET ME OR REBECCA OR MADE KNOW, AND WE'LL, UM, FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH YOUR ACCOUNT. 
          YOU ALSO NOW HAVE, UH, THE MAYOR REQUIRED TRAINING. 
          THIS IS OUR 2030 STRATEGIC VISION, OUR PILOT ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURE FOR PUBLIC MEETINGS AND OUR TOOLKIT OR EQUITY TOOLKIT TRAINING, WHICH I BELIEVE IS STILL PENDING. 
          UM, ONCE YOU DO THOSE TRAININGS, I BELIEVE YOU ONLY HAVE TO DO THE ONCE AND AGAIN, THESE ALL LIVE AND LEARN. 
          AND TO THE RIGHT OF THE SLIDE, UM, THERE'S AN INFOGRAPHIC THAT, UM, IF YOU HAVEN'T RECEIVED OR YOU'RE NOT SURE WHAT YOU'VE DONE, I CAN SEND IT, UH, TO NA AND REBECCA. 
          IT JUST EXPLAINS TO YOU THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THESE TWO ETHICS TRAINING, UM, JUST TO ALLEVIATE ANY CONFUSION OR QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO WE ALSO HAVE A HELPLINE. 
          THIS IS AN INTERNAL AND PUBLIC HELPLINE. 
          UM, THERE'S AN ONLINE FORM THAT'S AVAILABLE. 
          UM, YOU CAN DO A COPY OF COURSE WITH . 
          YOU CAN DO IT ANONYMOUSLY IF YOU PREFER. 
          IT'S 24 7. 
          UH, THESE, UH, COMPLAINTS COME TO ME, HOWEVER, UM, IF IT IS, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S DECIDED THAT IT SHOULD GO SOMEWHERE ELSE LIKE THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE OR A DEPARTMENT OR HR, UM, THEN IT GETS, UH, FIELD PEELED OFF FROM THERE. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          JUST SOME RESOURCES FOR YOU ALL TO BE MINDFUL OF. 
          WE HAVE THE OET HOMEPAGE, UM, THAT'S KEPT UP TO DATE. 
          UH, THE CITY CLERK HAS THEIR ETHICS PORTAL, SO ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS YOU HAVE ABOUT YOUR STATE REQUIREMENTS, ALL OF THAT INFORMATION LIVES ON THEIR PORTAL. 
          PORTAL. 
          THE AUDITOR ALSO HAS HER BROAD HOTLINE IN THE HANDBOOK. 
          UM, ETHICS GUIDE FOR LONG BEACH CITY OFFICIALS AND EMPLOYEES. 
          THAT IS UP TO DATE. 
          AND THAT REALLY GIVES YOU A HIGH LEVEL OF UNDERSTANDING OF ALL OF THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS YOU HAVE AS APPOINTED OFFICIALS. 
          WE ALSO HAVE OUR COMMISSION BOARD AND COMMITTEE HANDBOOK. 
          THIS IS A HANDBOOK THAT WE ALL, INCLUDING MYSELF, FORGET THAT WE HAVE SOMETIMES, BUT YOU PROBABLY ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE, UM, PRETTY QUICKLY. 
          UM, SO JUST A REMINDER THAT WE HAVE THAT. 
          AND THEN, UH, THE STATE OF THE CALIFORNIA LEAGUE OF CITIES HAS PRODUCED A PRETTY GOOD, UM, DOCUMENT ON THE BROWN ACT. 
          BUT AGAIN, I NEED A LITTLE GET INTO THE BROWN ACT JUST A MINUTE. 
          THERE'S A COUPLE. 
          WE, WE'VE HAD, UH, A FEW ISSUES COME UP ABOUT, UH, REGARDING SPEAKING AN OFFICIAL VERSUS PERSONAL . 
          UH, OUR CITY ATTORNEY CALLS THIS USE OF AUTHORITY. 
          UM, SO JUST BE MINDFUL THAT YOU'RE REALLY SHOULDN'T BE TALKING AS A COMMISSIONER OF CAC OUTSIDE OF THE CAC UNLESS, UM, THE BODY HAS GIVEN YOU PERMISSION TO DO SO. 
          THE CHAIR IS ALLOWED TO, UM, SPEAK AT CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS WITHOUT YOUR APPROVAL ON CAC ITEMS. BUT AGAIN, OTHER THAN THAT, UM, ANYONE ELSE NEEDS APPROVAL AND THE CHAIR WOULD NEED APPROVAL TOO. 
          OUTSIDE OF A CITY COUNCIL MEETING, WE ARE WORKING ON MAKING THAT, UM, A POLICY, BUT THAT IN PRACTICE ALSO APPLIES TO OTHER PUBLIC MEETINGS, SOCIAL MEDIA SIGNATURES AND ENFORCEMENT. 
          UM, SO JUST WANTED TO LET THAT OUT HERE. 
          ANNUAL FOURTH, THOSE ARE DUE IN JUNE. 
          THOSE ARE DUE ANNUALLY. 
          UH, WE USED TO NOT BE, UM, WE DIDN'T TRACK THOSE AS MUCH AS WE DO NOW. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN, UH, WE ARE TAKING THAT SERIOUSLY. 
          UH, A REMINDER, AGAIN, ALARM CONCERNS. 
          UM, THERE ARE REAL PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THE OTHER END OF THAT LEARN SUPPORT AT LONG BEACH TRACK GOV EMAIL ADDRESS. 
          SO, UM, ANY QUESTIONS, REACH OUT TO THEM. 
          FORM 700, I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE BEEN GETTING LOTS OF EMAILS AND REMINDERS. 
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UM, THE STATE JUST EXTENDED THAT DEADLINE THIS WEEK FROM APRIL 1ST TO JUNE 2ND. 
          UM, HOWEVER, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE BLASTING THAT OUT TOO MUCH. 
          WE STILL REFER TO GET THOSE IN BY APRIL 1ST. 
          UM, AND YOU'LL CONTINUE TO GET EMAILS IF YOU THINK, UH, MS. CLARK IS BUGGING YOU NOW. 
          UH, THEY WILL BE BUGGING YOU QUITE A LOT AFTER THE DEADLINE. 
          UM, THEN OF COURSE, YOUR MEETINGS HAVE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE BROWN AFTER BY ALL AND ROBERT SCHOOL ORDER, NOT JUST MY PRESENTATION, MY CONTACT INFORMATION IS ON THIS LAST SLIDE. 
          UM, BOTH OF THOSE EMAIL ADDRESSES COME DIRECTLY TO ME. 
          SO BEFORE WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION, I, AGAIN, CLERK, I HAVE TO GO ASK THE CLERK IF THERE'S ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THIS ITEM. 
          IF ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND NOW. 
          NO PUBLIC COMMENT CHAIR. 
          SO BEING NONE NOW THAT OPEN TO THE, BEFORE HEARING THE MEMBERS, UH, ARE THERE ANY DISCUSSIONS OR QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, SO I'M GONNA ASK A COUPLE QUICK QUESTIONS. 
          AND I'M ALWAYS ASKING QUESTIONS BECAUSE I, I LIKE TO KNOW THINGS. 
          THE ONE THING I KNOW YOU LISTED A WHOLE BUNCH OF MEETINGS AN HOUR OR THINGS, AND I I, I NEVER KNOW WHEN THEY'RE COMING. 
          I JUST KNOW ALL OF A SUDDEN I HAVE THIS EMAIL AND I'M ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE IN MY PERSONAL EMAIL, 60 TO 80 A DAY BECAUSE RALPH WANTS TO TELL ME ABOUT THEIR SALES. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          SO I'M CONSTANTLY, YOU KNOW, I GO THROUGH AND, AND I HOPE I DON'T DELETE THEM BY ACCIDENT, THUS I DON'T RESPOND BEING A RETIRED PERSON. 
          I CHECK MY EMAIL ONCE A DAY, SO I'M NOT ON IT ALL THE TIME. 
          SO, UH, IS THERE NOT A, A CALENDAR THAT SAYS IN APRIL, THIS IS GONNA COME FOR THIS TRAINING IN JUNE, THIS IS GONNA COME FOR THIS TRAINING BECAUSE I'M NEVER EXPECTING IT UNTIL EITHER IT POPS UP AND I HAPPEN TO READ IT, OR SOMEBODY TELLS ME I'M LATE AND THEN I GO BACK AND DO IT. 
          SO DO WE HAVE A CALENDAR THAT NO, BECAUSE IT IS DIFFERENT FOR EVERYBODY, WHICH IS WHY YOU'RE GETTING REMINDERS WHEN YOU GET REMINDERS. 
          IT, LIKE SAY YOU TOOK YOUR CITY'S CODE OF CONDUCT TRAINING JANUARY, YOU'LL START GETTING REMINDERS FOR THAT NEXT TRAINING IN NOVEMBER LEADING UP TO THE NEXT JANUARY. 
          SO IT IS REALLY, IT, IT, THE REMINDERS ARE TRIGGERED FROM WHEN YOU'VE ACTUALLY TAKEN WHICHEVER THOSE TRAINING AND, AND THERE WON'T BE ANYBODY REMOVED UNLESS THERE'S AT LEAST A PERSONAL PHONE CALL BEFORE. 
          HEY, YEAH, WE TRY VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY HARD. 
          BUT WE RIDICULOUSLY HARD OKAY. 
          TO TO TO GET EVERYBODY TO WHERE THEY NEED TO BE. 
          SO YEAH, THERE'S A LOT OF EFFORT THAT TRIES TO GIVE YOU THAT TO THE FINISH LINE. 
          'CAUSE SOME PEOPLE DO HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, PROBLEMS COME UP WITH THEIR LOAN ACCOUNT WITH, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER COMPUTER SYSTEM THEY'RE USING BECAUSE THIS IS ALL TECHNOLOGY BASED. 
          THERE ARE ISSUES. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          AND THEN ONE THING THAT I JUST WANNA CLARIFY. 
          SO WHEN YOU'RE, THIS, THIS THING THAT'S USED SPEAKING IN OFFICIAL VERSUS PERSONAL CAPACITY, I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT WITH THE CITY. 
          SO WHEN A PERSON'S A MEMBER OF A COMMISSIONER HERE IN THE CITY, WE, WE CANNOT SAY WE'RE MEMBERS OF, OF A COMMISSION. 
          YOU CAN SAY YOU'RE MEMBERS, BUT, BUT YOU'RE NOT SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE COMMISSION. 
          RIGHT. 
          YOU CAN'T SAY, I'M CHAIR CRUZ AND I'M HERE TO ADVOCATE FOR ICE CREAM AT WORK. 
          SO, SO, SO IF, IF THERE'S A MEMBER HERE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK TO COUNCIL, THEY CAN SAY, I, I, I AM A MEMBER OF THIS COMMISSIONER. 
          I'M NOT HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE COMMISSION. 
          BUT, UH, BUT I, YOU, YOU PROBABLY WANNA ADVERTISE YOU, I'M NOW ALWAYS WORRIED ABOUT CONFLICT. 
          I'M SITTING ON A NONPROFIT BOARD AND I'M LIKE, WHOA, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN SAY ANYTHING NOW. 
          'CAUSE WHETHER I'M ON A, ON THIS COMMISSION OR NOT. 
          SO BEING ON A NONPROFIT BOARD AND SAYING WE'RE A MEMBER OF THE, THIS COMMISSION IS NOT GONNA BE IN ANY KIND OF NO, I JUST, YOU'RE JUST NOT SPEAKING THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANYBODY ELSE? YES, MA'AM. 
          UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT THE, THE NEO GOV, UM, PROGRAM IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT TO WORK WITH. 
          AND I, I THINK THAT'S A BIT OF A BARRIER. 
          SOME OF THESE, UM, DOING SOME OF THESE, THESE TESTS, I THINK, YEAH, , MY, MY EXPERIENCE, THEY, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO SIGN IN. 
          I'VE HAD THE PROGRAM, I MEAN, I TOOK ONE TRAINING THREE OR FOUR TIMES AND IT STILL NEVER SHOWED ME AS HAVING TAKEN IT THE MOBILE VERSION. 
          IT IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO GET INTO. 
          AND ANYWAY, YEAH, I, I I DON'T KNOW. 
          I'M ASSUMING THAT'S A, A WEBSITE THAT YOU CONTRACT WITH. 
          HR DOES, 
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YES. 
          WE'RE ALWAYS HR AND FOR THE RECORD COURT, THAT WAS YOUNGER POWER, AND I APOLOGIZE, I SHOULDN'T SO NOTED. 
          I SAW THEM LOOK AT ME . 
          NOW THAT, THAT, THAT'S A GOOD POINT. 
          I, I REMEMBER WHEN NEIL GO WAS COMING UP THE WONDER, BUT IT'S ALSO, OKAY. 
          ANYBODY ELSE? THAT'S IT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO LET'S MOVE ON. 
          UH, I THINK I NEED TO CALL FOR A VOTE FOR THIS CLERK. 
          PLEASE CALL FOR A VOTE. 
          GREAT. 
          COMMISSIONER HOWARD? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER OCHOA? YES. 
          VICE CHAIR AMY? YES. 
          CREW CHAIR? YES. 
          MOTION, CARRIE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO PLEASE READ THE NEXT ITEM, ITEM NUMBER THREE, RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE PRESENTATION FROM THE OFFICE OF THE CITY ATTORNEY REGARDING THE RALPH M. BROWN ACT. 
          AND CAN I GET A MOTION ON THIS ITEM? SO MOVED. 
          MEMBER HOWER. 
          SO IT HAS BEEN MOVED BY MEMBER HOWER AND SECONDED BY MEMBER OCHOA STAFF. 
          IS THERE A REPORT OR PRESENTATION FOR THIS ITEM? YES, YOU HAVE AN OBJECT REPORT. 
          WELCOME, ANITA. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS ANITA ANI, DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY WITH THE CITY OF CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. 
          UM, TODAY I'M JOINING HEATHER IN THE ETHICS ROAD SHOW WITH THE ADDITION OF THE BROWN ACT AND ROBERT JEWELS OF ORDER. 
          UM, SO I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND GET, GET STARTED WITH THE PRESENTATION. 
          WITH THE HISTORY OF THE BROWN ACT, UM, IT'S ONE OF CALIFORNIA'S STATE LAWS THAT GOVERN, UM, LEGISLATIVE BODIES TO MAKE SURE THAT ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING THAT'S DONE IN THE CITY IS UNDER THE SUNSHINE. 
          SO EVERYTHING, UM, IS ABLE TO BE BRIGHT AND OPEN FOR THE PUBLIC TO SEE, UH, EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          ANOTHER ONE OF, UM, THIS STATE'S SUNSHINE LAWS ARE THE PUBLIC RECORDS ACT, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR. 
          SO IT'S UNDER THE SAME VEIN THAT EVERYTHING WILL BE OPEN, UM, AND SUBJECT TO SCRUTINY FROM THE PUBLIC. 
          WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          UH, THE GENERAL PRINCIPLES OF THE BROWN ACT ARE THAT ALL MEETINGS SHALL BE OPEN AND PUBLIC. 
          THIS IS THE ONE WE HAVE HERE TODAY. 
          UM, ALL OF YOUR VOTES WILL BE IN PUBLIC, UM, ANYTIME THERE IS A MAJORITY OF COMMISSION MEMBERS MEETING AT THE SAME TIME AND SAME PLACE SUCH AS TODAY. 
          UM, AND TALKING ABOUT THE SUBJECT MATTER OF THE COMMISSION, IT IS A MEETING AND THAT MEANS THAT YOU ARE SUBJECT TO THE BROWN ACT. 
          UM, ALL PERSONS FROM THE PUBLIC ARE ALLOWED TO ATTEND YOUR MEETING AND TO PARTICIPATE IN YOUR MEETINGS. 
          AND THAT MEANS BY PUBLIC COMMENT, UM, AND ONLY MATTERS ON THE AGENDA CAN BE DISCUSSED, WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE YOUR HANDY, THE AGENDA THAT YOU FOLLOW. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          UH, THE BROWN ACT HAS A PRINCIPLE OF AVOIDING THE APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY. 
          SO BASICALLY THE IDEA IS TO, UM, ALLOW THE LOCAL AGENCY TO PRESENT BUSINESS, UM, WITH THE PUBLIC PRESENT AND THE PUBLIC CAN PARTICIPATE. 
          YOU WANNA JUST MAKE SURE THAT ANY TYPE OF DELIBERATIONS OR ACTIONS THAT ARE TAKEN BY THE COMMISSION MEMBERS, UM, AGAIN, ARE DONE OPENLY AND IN PUBLIC. 
          UH, MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE NOT HAVING ANY OF THESE DELIBERATIONS OUTSIDE OF THESE MEETINGS BECAUSE THAT WOULD, UM, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE THAT. 
          THERE IS AN APPEARANCE. 
          UH, THIS SLIDE IS A QUICK ONE. 
          I'LL GO OVER IT. 
          WHO SUBJECT TO THE BROWN ACT. 
          LEGISLATIVE BODIES SUCH AS THE ONE TODAY, UM, AND ANY SUBCOMMITTEES THAT ARE FORMED UNDER THIS BODY BY A FORMAL ACTION. 
          UH, FUN FACT, AD HOC COMMITTEES ARE NOT SUBJECT TO THE BROWN ACT BECAUSE THEY'RE TEMPORARY IN NATURE. 
          UM, AND THEY CAN BE MADE UP OF LESS THAN A FORUM. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          SO THERE ARE SOME TYPES OF COMMUNICATIONS THAT ARE PROHIBITED BY COMMISSION MEMBERS. 
          UM, THOSE ARE CALLED SERIAL COMMUNICATIONS, AND THAT MEANS THAT THERE MIGHT BE COMMUNICATIONS WITH INDIVIDUAL COMMISSION MEMBERS THAT END UP BECOMING A MAJORITY OF COMMISSION MEMBERS TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING. 
          UM, SO I'LL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE AND WE'LL GO OVER FOUR SPECIFIC EXAMPLES OF THE TYPES OF COMMUNICATION. 
          UM, HERE. 
          I WON'T READ OFF OF THIS SLIDE, BUT I'LL GO INTO THE NEXT SLIDE, THEN I'LL GO INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL. 
          UM, THE FIRST ONE IS CALLED HUB AND SPOKE. 
          SO THIS IS WHEN, LET'S SAY MEMBER A CALLS MEMBER B AND SAYS, HEY, HOW ARE YOU VOTING ON TOMORROW'S ITEM? UH, ARE YOU GONNA VOTE YES? UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU HANG UP THE CALL WITH COMMISSIONER A AND B, AND THEN YOUR COMMISSIONER A CALLS COMMISSIONER C ASKS THE SAME QUESTION, GETS THE RESPONSE THINGS UP AND CALLS THE NEXT COMMISSIONER. 
          WHAT DO YOU KNOW? YOU'VE TALKED TO THE WHOLE COMMISSION AS A MAJORITY, EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE SEPARATE COMMUNICATIONS. 
          NOW, OOPS, YOU'RE SUBJECT TO THE BROWN ACT, AND THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN AN OPEN AND 
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PUBLIC MEETING LIKE YOU SEE HERE TODAY. 
          SO AVOID ANY TYPE OF DELIBERATIONS OUTSIDE OF THESE FOUR WALLS. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          THIS ONE IS A LITTLE SIMILAR, BUT THIS IS WHEN MEMBER BLUE CALLS, MEMBER GREEN TALKS ABOUT THE ITEM. 
          MEMBER BLUE DOESN'T CALL ANYONE ELSE, BUT MEMBER GREEN CALLS THE NEXT MEMBER. 
          AND BY THE END OF IT, YOU HAVE A QUO OF THREE. 
          AND YOU KNOW, THAT IS NOW A VIOLATION OF THE BROWN ACT. 
          PLEASE JUST AVOID A DAISY CHAIN. 
          SO IT'S A CHAIN OF COMMISSIONERS TALKING ABOUT THE SAME SUBJECT MATTER, UH, NOT WITH EACH OTHER, BUT THROUGH A CHAIN. 
          SO THE NEXT SLIDE IS A PROHIBITED COMMUNICATION BY REPRESENTATIVES. 
          LET'S SAY THAT YOU'RE AT A, UM, YOU KNOW, A MEETING FOR A NOT-FOR-PROFIT ORGANIZATION, AND, UM, COMMISSIONER A IS TALKING NOT TO COMMISSIONER B, BUT TO COMMISSIONER B'S SPOUSE AND COMMISSIONER A TALKS TO COMMISSIONER B'S SPOUSE ABOUT THE ITEM NEXT WEEK. 
          LO AND BEHOLD, THEY GO HOME, COMMISSIONER B TALKS TO THE SPOUSE AND THEY FIND OUT WHAT COMMISSIONER A WAS THINKING ON THE ITEM. 
          YOU'VE NOW DELIBERATED THE ITEM OUTSIDE OF THE BO OUTSIDE OF THE MEETING BODY BECAUSE THAT'S A REPRESENTATIVE THEN OF COMMISSIONER B. 
          SO THAT'S ALSO SOMETHING YOU WANNA KEEP IN MIND. 
          GENERAL PRINCIPLES, JUST DON'T TALK ABOUT COMMISSION BUSINESS OUTSIDE OF THESE FOUR QUAL. 
          THE LAST OF THE FOUR PROHIBITED COMMUNICATION. 
          THIS ONE IS PROBABLY THE MOST POPULAR EMAILS, TEXT MESSAGES, SOCIAL MEDIA. 
          MAKE SURE THAT, UM, IF ONE MEMBER DOES POST SOMETHING OF INTEREST ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND ANOTHER COMMISSIONER MIGHT, YOU KNOW, COMMENT ON THEIR POSTS, AND THEN ANOTHER COMMISSIONER FORWARDS IT OVER, STARTS CHATTING WITH ANOTHER COMMISSIONER, DID YOU SEE THIS? AND, YOU KNOW, THEY START DELIBERATING, DELIBERATING ABOUT NEXT WEEK'S ITEM. 
          UM, JUST MAKE SURE THAT YOU, UH, AVOID DOING THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT ANY DELIBERATIONS OR DISCUSSIONS ABOUT COMMISSION BUSINESS, AGAIN, I'LL BE SUPER REPETITIVE HERE. 
          UM, MAKE SURE IT IS IN AN OPEN PUBLIC MEETING SUCH AS THIS ONE TODAY. 
          THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          UM, WHAT TYPES OF COMMUNICATIONS ARE ALLOWED? ARE YOU NOT ALLOWED TO TALK TO COMMISSIONERS AT ALL OUTSIDE OF, YOU KNOW, THIS OPEN MEETING? THAT IS NOT THE CASE. 
          UH, YOU MAY CONTACT COMMISSIONERS INDIVIDUALLY. 
          YOU CAN TALK ABOUT THE SUBJECT MATTER OF AN ITEM. 
          YOU CAN SAY, HEY, IS SUBSTANTIVELY, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS TOPIC IS ABOUT. 
          WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? LET'S GO OVER THE KEY TERMS. LET'S GO OVER THESE SLIDES THAT WE LOOKED AT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S COMPLETELY FINE, BUT THE MINUTE THAT YOU START DELIBERATING AND MAKING DECISIONS ON HOW YOU'RE GOING TO VOTE, THAT'S WHERE THE PROBLEM IS. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE THE PRINCIPLES OF THE BROWN ACT COME IN, THAT ALL DELIBERATIONS AS WELL NEED TO BE MADE OPEN AND PUBLIC. 
          SO TALK ABOUT THE SUBJECT MATTER. 
          UH, JUST DON'T GET INTO WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE ON THE SUBJECT MATTER. 
          THE NEXT SLIDE, LET'S SAY YOU'RE AT A BIRTHDAY PARTY, YOU RUN INTO A BUNCH OF COMMISSIONERS, TOTALLY FINE TO SOCIALIZE. 
          YOU MIGHT BE AT A CONFERENCE AT ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL MEETING OR A SOCIAL EVENT. 
          NO WORRIES AT ALL. 
          UM, JUST, YOU KNOW, TRY TO AVOID TALKING ABOUT PERMISSION BUSINESS. 
          THE NEXT SLIDE ARE JUST KIND OF SOME PROCEDURAL RULES ABOUT THE AGENDA POSTING REQUIREMENTS. 
          AND THAT'S ALL PRETTY MUCH TAKEN CARE OF BY YOUR LOVELY STAFF HERE. 
          UM, THE AGENDA NEEDS TO BE POSTED 72 HOURS BEFORE THE MEETING. 
          UM, AND SOMETIMES IF THEY'RE IN A SPECIAL MEETING WHERE MEETING WHERE THE CHAIR NEEDS TO CALL FOR AN EMERGENCY, OR THE MAJORITY OF THE COMMISSIONERS WANNA CALL FOR AN ITEM, UM, THAT CAN'T BE MADE WITHIN THE REGULAR MEETING, THEY CAN CALL A SPECIAL MEETING. 
          AND THAT NEEDS TO BE POSTED 24 HOURS IN ADVANCE. 
          THESE ARE FOR LIKE CASES OF, YOU KNOW, A REAL EMERGENCY THAT THE BODY NEEDS TO MEET AND DISCUSS, MAKE A DECISION ON SOMETHING. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THE NEXT SLIDE ARE AGENDA DESCRIPTIONS. 
          UH, YOUR, YOUR AGENDA THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU, YOU KNOW, IT HAS A BRIEF GENERAL DESCRIPTION OF EACH IM DAYTIME MEETING LOCATION. 
          UH, THE REASON FOR THE GENERAL DESCRIPTION OF EACH ITEM IS SO THAT MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT THEY WANNA COME TO THIS MEETING AND PROVIDE THEIR PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, UM, BY COMMENT OR VIA EMAIL. 
          SO IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT THESE AGENDAS HAVE A PROPER SCOPE AND THE INTENTION OF THE BODY, UH, OF WHAT THE BODY IS GOING TO BE DELIBERATING ON AND POTENTIALLY VOTING ON. 
          THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE, IS ABOUT WHERE MEETINGS CAN BE HELD. 
          THEY NEED TO BE HELD WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE CITY OF LONG BEACH, AND THEY MUST BE A DA ACCESSIBLE. 
          UM, THE NEXT SLIDE IS ALL ABOUT THE RIGHTS OF THE PUBLIC. 
          SO THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO COMMENT, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO RECORD, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO VIDEO, THEY, YOU KNOW, AUDIO, UM, THEY GET TO REVIEW THE AGENDA, THEY GET TO 
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REVIEW ALL THE DOCUMENTS RELATED TO THE AGENDA, AND THEY ALSO GET TO REVIEW DOCUMENTS THAT MAY NOT ACTUALLY BE ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA, BUT WE'RE PART OF THE DELIBERATIONS TO GET STAFF AND THE COMMISSION HERE, UH, TO REVIEW THE ITEMS. SO ANYTHING THAT MIGHT BE PUBLIC RECORD RELATED TO THE ITEMS IN FRONT OF YOU. 
          UM, THE PUBLIC, WHEN THEY DO PROVIDE A PUBLIC COMMENT, THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO GIVE THEIR NAME, UM, OR, YOU KNOW, THEIR DISTRICT NUMBER. 
          IT'S ALL, YOU KNOW, VOLUNTARY IF THEY WANNA DO THAT. 
          AND THEY'RE ALLOWED TO WITNESS ALL OF THE VOTES THAT ARE MADE, UM, DURING THE OPEN SESSION, PLEASE. 
          SO WHY DOES THIS ALL MATTER? AND WHY ARE WE ON THIS ROAD SHOW GOING TO EVERY COMMISSION IN THE CITY TALKING ABOUT THE BROWN ACT? UM, ONE IS THAT COMMISSIONERS COULD BE SUBJECT TO A CIVIL ACTION. 
          THIS MEANS THAT ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC, UM, MAY SUE A COMMISSIONER. 
          AND WHAT THEY COULD GET OUT OF IT IS THEIR COSTS AND ATTORNEY'S FEES. 
          UM, BACK AND, YOU KNOW, IT IS COMMON TO SEE CIVIL ACTIONS FOR BROWN ACT VIOLATIONS IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA FOR CRIMINAL. 
          UM, IT IS POSSIBLE THAT A COMMISSIONER MAY BE, UH, SUBJECT TO A MISDEMEANOR CRIMINAL CITATION IF, UM, THE ISSUER DECIDES THAT, UM, THERE WAS INTENT TO DEPRIVE THE PUBLIC OF INFORMATION. 
          SO IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR YOU ALL TO BE SUPER MINDFUL ABOUT THE RULES OF THE BROWN ACT BECAUSE THERE ARE CIVIL AND CRIMINAL INVOLVED. 
          ALRIGHT, I'LL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          AND NOW THIS IS MORE PROCEDURE OF ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER. 
          UM, AND THIS IS KIND OF HOW DO WE RUN THE MEETING, UM, AND WHAT ARE THE RULES SURROUNDING THAT? SO THE CHAIR RUNS THE MEETING AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE BROWN ACT AND THE ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER. 
          UM, IF THERE ARE COMMISSIONER BYLAWS, THOSE ALSO NEED TO BE FOLLOWED. 
          UM, ALL DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE BY THE COMMISSION NEED TO BE MADE BY A MAJORITY VOTE. 
          UH, ONE OF THE PRINCIPLES ARE THAT THE COMMISSION SHOULD CONDUCT ITS BUSINESS ORDERLY AND EFFICIENTLY. 
          REALLY, ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER IS TO CREATE THIS EFFICIENCY TO RUN THE MEETING. 
          AND IF EVERYTHING IS GETTING A LITTLE DIFFICULT OR IF THEY'RE GETTING CONFUSING, ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER IS SUPPOSED TO MAKE THINGS EASIER. 
          SO IF THEY'RE GETTING A LITTLE DIFFICULT, UM, PLEASE CONTACT OUR OFFICE AND WE CAN GO OVER THINGS, UM, TO MAKE SURE THINGS RUN SMOOTHLY. 
          THE NEXT SLIDE, IT'S ALL ABOUT THE ROLE OF THE CHAIR. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THE ROLE OF THE CHAIR IS TO INTRODUCE BUSINESS IN, IN THE RIGHT ORDER, GETTING THROUGH THE AGENDA ITEMS IN A TIMELY MANNER, MAKING SURE THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND, AND MAKING SURE THAT THE AGENDA ITEMS ARE KEPT IN, UM, THE REALM OF THE COMMISSION COMMISSION'S AUTHORITY AND IF, IF NEEDED, UH, TO ENFORCE TIME LIMITS ON PUBLIC COMMENTERS. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          UM, THE CHAIR ALSO NEEDS TO MAKE SURE THAT CLEAR DECISIONS ARE MADE, UM, SO THAT INAPPROPRIATE VOTE CAN BE MADE. 
          UM, THE ROLE, THE ROLE OF THE CHAIR IS ALSO TO RECOGNIZE COMMISSIONER WHO WISH TO SPEAK SOMETIMES ON BIGGER COMMISSIONS. 
          YOU KNOW, ALL THE COMMISSIONERS REALLY WANNA TALK AT THE SAME TIME. 
          UH, LOVELY. 
          HERE WE HAVE FOUR. 
          UM, BUT , UH, THE ROLE OF THE CHAIR IS TO CALL ON EACH COMMISSIONER BEFORE THEY SPEAK, AND THEN THE COMMISSIONER CAN THEN HAVE THEIR DISCUSSION. 
          THE CHAIR WILL ALSO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING SURE THAT EVERY COMMISSIONER HAS HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK BEFORE SOMEONE GETS TO SPEAK AGAIN. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, ALLOWING EVERYONE TO FEEL THAT THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE. 
          UM, AND THEN JUST MAKING SURE THAT IF THERE ARE ALREADY CONFLICTS THAT ARISE, THE CHAIR CAN KIND OF MANAGE THOSE. 
          THE NEXT SLIDE HERE, UM, IS ABOUT MOTIONS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, GEORGE KIND OF COVERED THIS IN YOUR FIRST AND SECOND ITEMS HERE TODAY BY MAKING SURE THAT THERE WAS A FIRST AND A SECOND. 
          AND THE NEXT SLIDE IS ALL ABOUT THE CHAIR CALLING FOR A VOTE, WHICH YOU ALSO ALREADY DID FOR THE FIRST AND SECOND ITEM. 
          UM, SO THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION ON THE BROWN ACT AND ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER. 
          UM, I CAN TAKE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME BEFORE DISCUSSION. 
          CLERK, PLEASE CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS ITEM. 
          IF ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND NOW. 
          NO PUBLIC COMMENT HERE. 
          MEMBERS THERE, ANY DISCUSSION OF THIS ITEM? OKAY, WELL, I, I, I, I'M SEEING NONE HERE, SO I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND ASK A COUPLE, BECAUSE THIS IS KIND OF ONE OF MY CONCERNS. 
          UM, I FEEL AS A, AS A COMMISSIONER, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT MY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WANT OR NEED. 
          UM, I'M JUST CAME ON AS CHAIR, THEY'RE ASKING ME TO SCHEDULE AND CREATE SOME MEETINGS, AND UNFORTUNATELY PROPOSING ONE OR TWO MEETINGS, THREE MEETINGS THAT I, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T LIKE. 
          BUT FORTUNATELY THEY BROUGHT, AND I THINK YOU OUGHT ALREADY HEARD THAT 
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FROM THE LAST TIME WE WERE MOVING THE MEETINGS AND ADJUSTING THEM SO THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY BE PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS. 
          UM, AND THEN EVEN TRYING TO ORGANIZE AND SCHEDULE THIS MEETING FOR AN ATTEMPT FOR US TO TALK AS A GROUP BECAUSE WE'RE BEING INDIVIDUALIZED AND SET ASIDE TO, TO BE EDUCATED. 
          BUT I WANTED TO DO AN OPEN FORUM SO WE COULD HAVE A CONVERSATION. 
          UM, AND EVEN TRYING TO SET THE AGENDA, I FELT LIKE I HAD NO AUTHORITY OR ABILITY TO JUST POLL THE REST OF THE COMMISSIONERS TO SEND A GENERIC EMAIL TO SAY, HEY GUYS, I'D LIKE TO HAVE AN OPEN FORM PUBLIC MEETING SO THAT WE CAN LEARN TOGETHER ABOUT THE HISTORY OF MEASURE A, WHAT OUR AUTHORITY IS AND WHAT WE CAN DO TO HELP HAVE THE PUBLIC FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE ABOUT HOW MEASURE A IS BEING SPENT. 
          I COULDN'T DO THAT. 
          I, I DID SOME ANALYSIS ON NUMBERS. 
          I WANTED THAT TO BE SHARED. 
          I COULDN'T DO THAT. 
          SO I WANNA UNDERSTAND, AS A CHAIR OR AS A COMMISSIONER, DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO AT LEAST HAVE THIS GENERAL DIALOGUE? WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE ON THE AGENDA? I'M COMING UP WITH THE AGENDA, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUOTE UNQUOTE, OR, OR THEY'RE NOW INSTILLED IN THEM FEAR TO BE ABLE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, HEY ROLANDO, CAN WE ADD THIS TO THE AGENDA AT NEXT MEETING? WE, I'D LOVE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THIS. 
          I'D LOVE, YOU KNOW, I WAS VERY INTERESTED IN THE BONDS AND, AND AT THE LAST MEETING WHEN I HEARD COMMISSIONER HOWARD TALK ABOUT THE BONDS, I WAS LIKE, YAY. 
          AMEN. 
          YES. 
          LET'S TALK ABOUT THE BONDS. 
          LET'S UNDERSTAND THAT SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T GET CONFUSED, UH, AS WE'RE SPENDING IT. 
          SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, HOW CAN WE INTERACT AS A COMMISSIONER TO HELP EACH OTHER SO THAT WE CAN AT LEAST PREPARE FOR MEETINGS THAT THEY CAN HAVE THEIR ITEMS BEING DISCUSSED OR PUT ON THE AGENDA THAT, THAT WE CAN SHARE. 
          HEY, DID YOU SEE THIS? CAN WE LOOK MORE AT THIS? WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? THAT KIND OF GENERAL DISCUSSION. 
          IT JUST FEELS EXTREMELY PROHIBITIVE VERSUS MY OTHER EXPERIENCE WITH OTHER CITIES. 
          I'VE NEVER HAD THIS LEVEL OF NO, YOU GO THROUGH STAFF AND NO, YOU CAN'T EMAIL THEM. 
          NO, YOU CAN'T SEND THEM THAT, UH, SUMMARY. 
          SO I WANNA UNDERSTAND FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S PERSPECTIVE, HOW CAN WE OPERATE IF IT IS AN INDIVIDUAL FOUR INDIVIDUALS MEETING THREE TIMES A YEAR? YES. 
          SO YOU BRING UP GREAT POINTS. 
          UM, I'LL GO AHEAD AND ANSWER ONE OF YOUR QUESTIONS IS HOW WILL, UM, THE MEMBERS BRING UP ITEMS FOR FUTURE AGENDAS? SO IT'S POSSIBLE THAT YOU CAN HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM ON, UM, ON THE AGENDA , UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, SAYS RECOMMENDATION TO DISCUSS FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. AND DURING THAT ITEM, UH, IT'S TYPICAL ON OTHER CITY COMMISSIONS AND COMMITTEES THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONERS OR COMMITTEE MEMBERS BRING THEIR IDEAS AND DISCUSS FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. UM, AND THEN, UH, THE CHAIR WILL THEN WORK WITH STAFF, UM, AS I BELIEVE IS HAPPENING TOO, RIGHT? SO TO TO WORK WITH STAFF TO PUT THOSE ITEMS ON A FUTURE AGENDA. 
          SO THOSE, THAT'S ONE WAY THAT YOU COULD COLLECT, UM, INFORMATION FROM THE MEMBERS TO SPEAK IN AN OPEN FORUM ABOUT WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO BRING FOR, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER MEETING. 
          UM, ANOTHER WAY IS FOR COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO DIRECTLY EMAIL STAFF, UM, OR THE CHAIR AND LET THEM KNOW THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO BRING THIS ITEM AND THEN THE CHAIR AND STAFF CAN DISCUSS HOW TO THEN BRING IT FORWARD AT A FUTURE. 
          OKAY, SO MAKE A COMMENT ON THAT POINT, UM, MEMBER HOW WE'RE MAKING A COMMENT ON THAT POINT. 
          COULD THERE NOT BE A, A, UM, PROCEDURE WHERE, I MEAN, IF WE HAVE A SCHEDULED MEETING WHERE THREE WEEKS BEFORE THE MEETING STAFF SENDS OUT AN EMAIL TO ALL OF THE MEMBERS, THE CHAIR AND ALL THE MEMBERS, IT SAYS, COMMISSION MEMBERS, IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO PUT ON THE AGENDA, PLEASE SUBMIT IT VIA THIS EMAIL. 
          IT COULD WE DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT? IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT CAN BE CONSIDERED WITH, YOU KNOW, STAFF AND THE CHAIR TO DETERMINE KIND OF WHAT KIND OF PROTOCOL MOVING FORWARD, HOW TO COLLECT THE AGENDA ITEMS. ONE WAY IS FOR COMMISSION MEMBERS TO DIRECTLY EMAIL STAFF. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF YOU'RE NOT GETTING IT THREE WEEKS BEFORE THE MEETING PERIOD, DON'T WAIT. 
          WHEN YOU HAVE AN IDEA, JUST SEND IT OVER TO STAFF. 
          UM, IF IT TAKES, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONCE A QUARTER, YOU MIGHT HAVE AN IDEA LITERALLY TOMORROW. 
          UM, SO YOU COULD, YOU COULD ALWAYS, ALWAYS SEND THOSE OVER TO THE STAFF, UM, OR THE CHAIR THAT YOU HAVE THOSE IDEAS OF FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. UM, AND THEN BEFORE THE AGENDA IS BEING DRAFTED, STAFF AND THE CHAIR CAN WORK TOGETHER TO DETERMINE WHAT WILL BE ON A FUTURE AGENDA. 
          SO LET ME GO AHEAD. 
          IF MR. CHAIR WHO'S AGAIN SPEAKING, UH, I WANNA KIND OF 
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ASK, 'CAUSE I KNOW FROM THE THREE MEETINGS THAT I'VE BEEN ON IN THE PRIOR WHEN I GOT THE THREE OF US GOT NOMINATED, UM, FROM DAY ONE I, I'VE BEEN ASKING, AND HOPEFULLY WE'RE GONNA RESOLVE THAT TODAY, IS TO UNDERSTAND THE AUTHORITY OF THIS COMMISSION, WHICH I'M COMING TO UNDERSTAND IS NO, AND WHAT I HAVE ASKED AND WHAT I'M HOPING THAT WE'RE GONNA DO OUT OF HERE IS BE ABLE TO COME WHERE WE'RE NOT. 
          SO KNOW WHERE AT LEAST WE CAN HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE PUBLIC IS AWARE THAT THERE IS A MEASURE A COMMISSION, WHICH IF THEY HAVE, UH, QUESTIONS OR ISSUES OF HOW MEASURE A IS SITTING ON THE BUDGET, THAT WE WOULD HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO LISTEN TO THAT SO THAT WE CAN HELP IN PART OF THE FRAMING OF THE BUDGET TO ENSURE THAT THE PUBLIC IS COMFORTABLE HOW MEASURE EIGHT FUNDS ARE BEING SPENT. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO DO THAT BECAUSE NOW, I MEAN, WE'VE GOT OUR MEETING SET UP NOW WHERE THERE WE'RE GONNA HAVE A MEETING WHERE WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE THE BUDGET THAT THE MANAGER'S BUDGET BEFORE GOES TO THE MAYOR AND THEN SEE THE MAYOR'S BUDGET BEFORE IT GOES TO COUNCIL FOR VOTE. 
          BECAUSE WE ALWAYS HAD OUR MEETINGS AFTER EVERYTHING WAS ELECTED. 
          AND SO WE JUST SAT THERE AND WE HAD TO SAY YES. 
          SO MY QUESTION TO BE CLEAR IS IF I HAVE THAT THOUGHT AND I WANNA HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THEM, BUT AGAIN, I THINK I FELT I'M FEELING THAT I DON'T HAVE, OR I HAVE TO BE SENSITIVE, THAT I CAN'T TALK TO THEM ABOUT IT. 
          AND I'VE SHARED THAT WITH STAFF. 
          I I HAVE NOT SHARED IT WITH THE COMMISSIONERS THAT THAT'S ONE OF MY GOALS AND INTENT. 
          SO I'M PUBLICLY STATING THAT TODAY THAT MY, ONE OF MY GOALS IN THIS COMMISSION, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S LEGAL, THAT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, IS THAT I WANT OUR MEETINGS TO BE STRATEGICALLY PLANNED WHERE WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY, OR AT LEAST WITHIN OURSELVES TO REVIEW WHAT THE MAYOR, THE MANAGER RECOMMENDATION IS OF MEASURE EIGHT MONTHS, BE ABLE TO GIVE SOME FEEDBACK AND THOUGHT TO THE MAYOR AFTER THE MAYOR COMES UP WITH A PRESENTATION, BE ABLE TO ALSO THEN DRAFT AND SEND FEEDBACK TO THE COUNCIL AS TO THOUGHTS ON MEASURE EIGHT FUNDS AND THEIR EXPENDITURE. 
          SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS PERMISSIBLE UNDER BROWN ACT OR IS THIS THE APPROPRIATE PLACE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION? SO UNDER THE, THE BROWN ACT GENERAL PRINCIPLE IS JUST THAT LIKE IF THERE ARE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, THEY NEED TO BE DISCUSSED AT THE MEETING. 
          SO IF THERE ARE, SO I, I'LL GO INTO TWO SEPARATE BUCKETS HERE. 
          SO THE FIRST THING IS, UM, IF THERE ARE ITEMS ON A FUTURE AGENDA THAT NEED TO BE BROUGHT FORWARD AT THAT TIME, THEY CAN BE DISCUSSED DURING THAT AGENDA ITEM AT THAT PARTICULAR PUBLIC MEETING. 
          UM, FOR YOUR SECOND ONE, UM, FOR YOUR SECOND QUESTION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF SCHEDULING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE RECEIVING FILES AND THE APPROVALS FROM THIS, UM, BODY ARE DONE IN A TIMELY MANNER THAT CAN BE WORKED OUT WITH STAFF BEFOREHAND TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CALENDARING MATCHES UP BASED ON, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE MEMBERS' REQUEST OF LIKE WHEN THEY WOULD LIKE TO REVIEW SOMETHING, STAFF WOULD THEN NEED TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION IF IT'S FEASIBLE TO BRING A MEETING AT THAT TIME. 
          UM, AND YOU KNOW, THAT CAN BE, THAT CAN BE DISCUSSED WITH STAFF WITHOUT THEREAFTER ALL KIND OF SCHEDULING. 
          SO WHERE DO WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT IT SO THAT IF, IF OUR INTENT IS TO DRAFT A LETTER, UH, TO THE CITY MAYOR SAYING HERE'S WHAT WE BELIEVE, UH, HOW MEASURE AID FUNDS SHOULD BE BUDGETED, OR AT LEAST JUST GENERAL THOUGHTS ON THAT, UM, WHAT'S THE PROCESS FOR THAT? BECAUSE THEN WHO'S GONNA DRAFT THE LETTER? WHEN DO WE GET TO TALK ABOUT IT AND SAY, OH NO, CHANGE THAT WORD, CHANGE THAT WORD. 
          WHEN DO WE ACTUALLY GET TO SHARE A DOCUMENT THAT MAYBE WE WANT TO EDIT AND ADD SOME THOUGHTS IN THERE? MAYBE, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY HAS A POINT THAT I DIDN'T EVEN THINK OF. 
          SO WHAT'S THAT PROCESS? BECAUSE IF WE'RE MEETING LITERALLY IN THE PAST TWICE AND NOW THREE, AND NOW AT LEAST WE'RE UP TO FOUR TIMES THIS YEAR THAT WE GET TO QUOTE UNQUOTE BE COMMISSION MEETING, WHEN DO WE GET TO DO THAT? WHERE DO WE DO THAT? YEAH, SO THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. 
          AND THE, THE, THE BODY DOES HAVE THE ABILITY TO CREATE SUBCOMMITTEES THAT MEET, UM, MORE FREQUENTLY THAN THIS BODY HERE. 
          AND THOSE SUBCOMMITTEES CAN BE ASSIGNED A TOPIC. 
          UM, THE TOPIC COULD BE AN ADVISORY LETTER TO THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL REGARDING A PARTICULAR SUBJECT. 
          AND DURING THOSE SUBCOMMITTEES OR THOSE TEMPORARY AD HOC COMMITTEES, WHICH ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE DON'T NEED TO FOLLOW THE BROWN ACT AS WE DISCUSSED, BUT SUBCOMMITTEES, UM, COULD MEET, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY MONTHLY, UM, IF IT'S A STANDING, YOU KNOW, ITEM. 
          BUT IF IT'S A TEMPORARY ITEM TO DISTRACTING LETTER TO THE CITY COUNCIL, THE TEMPORARY AD HOC COULDN'T CONSIST OF TWO MEMBERS BECAUSE IT'LL 
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BE LESS THAN A FORM OF THIS BODY AND IT, YOU KNOW, TWO MEMBERS CAN BE ASSIGNED BY THE BODY AS A WHOLE TO BE ON THAT AD COMMITTEE. 
          AND THEN THAT AD HOC COMMITTEE COULD DRAFT THE LETTER AND THEN AT A FUTURE, UH, BOARD MEETING DATE, THAT AD HOC WOULD BRING THAT LETTER, SOLICIT FEEDBACK FROM ALL THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS, FINALIZE THAT LETTER, AND THEN WE'LL MOVE FORWARD IN THE PROCESS. 
          BUT I THINK WHAT YOU MIGHT BE LOOKING FOR COULD BE, UH, YOU KNOW, ACCOMPLISHED BY A SUBCOMMITTEE OR UM, AN AD HOC COMMITTEE. 
          SO, AND OF COURSE THEN BEING UH, A COMMISSION OF FOUR, WE CAN ONLY HAVE TWO CORRECT IN THIS AD HOC. 
          AND SO WE WOULD ESTABLISH AN AD HOC COMMITTEE TO SAY, REVIEW THE MANAGER'S BUDGET AND PAST USES OF FUNDS AND WE HAVE TO DECLARE IT SPECIFICALLY WHAT THAT GROUP IS GONNA DO. 
          THEN THEM DRAFTING A POTENTIAL LETTER RECOMMENDATION THAT THEN GETS REVIEWED AT THE COMMISSION MEETING APPROVED OR EDITED AND APPROVED. 
          AND THEN THAT CAN GO OUT ON BEHALF OF THE COMMISSION. 
          WOULD THAT BE OUR PROCESS? YEAH, SO THE COMMITTEE WOULD THEN, YOU KNOW, UH, PUT IN AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA TO ESTABLISH THE IHOC COMMITTEE, UM, DISCUSS WHAT ITS PURPOSE IS GONNA BE AND MAYBE DISCUSS THE TIMELINE OF WHEN THEY WOULD LIKE IT TO BE WOUND UP. 
          IT HAS TO BE TEMPORARY, BUT UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE BRING IT BACK WITHIN SIX MONTHS OR BRING IT BACK TO THREE MONTHS. 
          THAT LETTER WOULD THEN BE DRAFTED FOR A, YOU KNOW, REVIEW OF THE COMMISSION AND THE COMMISSION WOULD APPROVE IT WITH THE MAJORITY IF, IF IT DOES. 
          AND THEN IT WOULD MOVE ALONG TO THE PRACTICE TO BE, UM, REVIEWED BY THE COUNCIL. 
          SO IT COULD BE ANY TOPIC THAT'S UNDER THE PURVIEW OF THIS BODY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHEN'S THE APPROPRIATE TIME THEN THAT WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION? BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AN OPEN DIALOGUE WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ABOUT, AS WE GET ABOUT OUR PURPOSE, US ACTUALLY HAVING A CONVERSATION ABOUT DOING SOME OF THAT AND THEN CREATING A PROCESS AND, AND, AND PROMOTING IT OUT. 
          BECAUSE AGAIN, ASKING TO GENERAL PEOPLE THAT TALK TO ME ABOUT IT, I SAID, WHY DON'T YOU EVER GO TO A MEASURE A MEETING IF YOU WANT TO? AND WELL, I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THEM, THEY'RE NEVER THERE, WHEN ARE THEY? CAN YOU TELL ME? AND YOU KNOW, AND I DID TELL ONE PERSON AND SHE'S NOT HERE AND SHE SAID SHE WAS GONNA COME, BUT SHE'S GONNA COME TOWARDS THE END 'CAUSE SHE WANTED TO HEAR THE PIECE ABOUT THE BONDS AND STUFF OR WHATEVER. 
          SO WE'LL SEE IF SHE MAKES IT, BUT I, I DID TELL HER, BUT AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE TO SOMEHOW PROMOTE THIS AND LET THIS BE AN AVENUE BECAUSE YOU KNOW, I KNOW I GO TO NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS AND THOSE ARE PROMOTED WHEN THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BUDGET, BUT NEVER HAVE I EVER SEEN ANYTHING HEARD. 
          AND IN MY FORM. 
          NOW THIS IS THE FOURTH MEETING, NOT A SINGLE PUBLIC PERSON HAS EVER COME TO THIS MEETING. 
          WE HAVE ONE TODAY. 
          OH, WE HAVE ONE TODAY. 
          OH, YAY. 
          WELCOME. 
          CONGRATULATIONS HERE. 
          YAY. 
          OH, THAT'S THE ONE I HAD. 
          BUT YOU KNOW THIS AGAIN, AND I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND OUT, AND I HOPE THIS IS APPROPRIATE TIME TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION BECAUSE AS A COMMISSION, I DON'T FEEL WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE AND I KNOW EVERYBODY HAS THEIR OWN THOUGHTS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO PRESENT, PRESS US TO ACTUALLY BE WHAT I UNDERSTOOD THE ROLE OF THIS COMMISSION TO BE WHEN I WAS ASKED TO BE PART OF THIS. 
          I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION, PLEASE. 
          MAY I ASK YOU TO THE CHAIR, ASK THE QUESTION TO THE CHAIR? IS THAT OKAY? SO, UM, YOU HAVE THREE MEETINGS A YEAR AND UM, I'M WONDERING IS THAT ENOUGH MEETINGS FOR THE AMOUNT OF MATERIAL AND UM, THE, UM, OUR ABILITY TO RESPOND TO ISSUES IN A TIMELY MANNER? DO WE NEED A COURT MEETING AND IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN REQUEST IF WE WANT A FOURTH MEETING A YEAR OR NOT BY, THAT MIGHT ACTUALLY BE BETTER ADDRESSED IN THE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR, WHERE IT'LL BE DISCUSSING PURPOSE AND UPCOMING MEETING DAYS. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT NOW WE'RE STILL UNDER THE AGENDA ITEM REGARDING THE BROWN ACT. 
          OKAY. 
          PRESENTATION. 
          YEAH, I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING. 
          'CAUSE WE DID HAVE, AND I TRIED TO AT LEAST MOVE THE MEETINGS AROUND WHERE THEY COULD BE. 
          AND I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY HAVE A FURTHER DIALOGUE ABOUT HOW TO GO ABOUT THAT. 
          IS THAT OKAY? PERFECT. 
          UM, SO FOR OUR, I I'M GONNA ASK IF YOU GUYS ARE STILL GONNA BE HERE FOR THIS ENTIRE MEETING, BECAUSE I WOULD LOVE FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO BE HERE. 
          'CAUSE I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING THIS APPROPRIATELY THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE MEETING. 
          SO AT LEAST, HI THERE. 
           DEPUTY, UH, CITY ATTORNEY ACTUALLY STARTED WITH THE CITY TRAINING OFFICE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND YOU'RE GONNA BE HERE THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THIS MEETING? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE I DO WANT TO FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES, FOLLOW WHATEVER'S GOING ON, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE AN OPEN DIALOGUE. 
          'CAUSE I'M EVEN SURPRISED THAT I HAD TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO DO INTRODUCTIONS AND WE HAD TO VOTE 
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AND THEN ACCEPT THOSE INTRODUCTIONS. 
          I MEAN, TO ME IT JUST SEEMS SO FORMAL FOR SOMETHING THAT, HEY, WE'RE HAVING INTRODUCTIONS, LET'S REVIEW THE AGENDA. 
          THIS IS NOT, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M TRYING TO MAKE IT WHERE WE CAN ACTUALLY HAVE DIALOGUE HERE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, WE CAN HELP PROVIDE GUIDANCE FOR, TO HELP MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW, EACH MEMBER, UH, AND VICE CHAIR AND CHAIR UNDERSTAND EXACTLY HOW TO BEST UTILIZE THE FORMAT AND STRUCTURE OF THESE. 
          UH, YOU'LL HAVE A CITY ATTORNEY, UH, DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY STAFFING EACH MEETING, AND WE CAN HELP PROVIDE ADDITIONAL GUIDANCE ON THAT. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN AN INFORMAL CONFERENCE ROOM, BUT THIS, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO BRAND ACT APPLIES THERE. 
          WE MIGHT BE IN AN INFORMAL SETTING. 
          THIS IS A VERY FORMAL STRUCTURE TO THIS. 
          SO EVERYTHING HAS TO COME THROUGH THE AGENDA ITEMS THAT WANT, THAT YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THEN IN THE FUTURE, WOULD IT BE WISE? AND I'M THINKING I WOULD LIKE THAT AS I'M COMMUNICATING WITH BECCA, WHO'S MY MAIN CONTACT THAT I INCLUDE THE CITY ATTORNEY BECAUSE MY QUESTIONS OF WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO WITHIN THE SYSTEM, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE MET AND SO THAT WE CAN AT LEAST HAVE, 'CAUSE I DID EXPRESS THIS, REBECCA, I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT ON ANYTHING, BUT I SAID, HEY, HOW CAN I COMMUNICATE AND ASK THEM IF THEY HAVE ANY AGENDA ITEMS OR EXPRESS MY THOUGHTS ON WHAT I WAS WANT TO DO WITH THIS WORKSHOP? AND SHE SAID THEY WOULD TAKE CARE OF IT. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL HEARD FROM HER ABOUT THE WORKSHOP, BUT I WOULD'VE LOVED TO JUST SAY, HEY, YOU THREE, I I WOULD REALLY LIKE US TO HAVE A WORKSHOP. 
          HERE'S MY THOUGHTS ON THIS WORKSHOP. 
          HERE'S THE AGENDA THAT I, REBECCA AND I ARE CHATTING ABOUT. 
          WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? SHOULD WE ADD ANYTHING MORE? WOULD Y'ALL BE WILLING TO DO THIS OR THAT? THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO DO. 
          THAT'S MY OLD SCHOOL. 
          YEAH. 
          I KIND OF FELT LIKE, NO, EVERYTHING GOES THROUGH ME. 
          AND I DON'T MEAN THAT IN A NO, NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT. 
          IF I MAY CHIME IN, I DID SOLICIT, UM, EXACTLY HOW WE DISCUSSED, UH, ANYTHING ON THE AGENDA THAT I RECEIVED SOME COMMENTS ABOUT, BUT IT WAS INCLUDED. 
          SO WHILE IT DOES FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, A LONGER CHAIN OF COMMAND AND TRANSACTION, UM, WHATEVER YOU ASK ME TO DO AS YOUR STAFF LIAISON, I DO CORRESPOND WITH THAT. 
          SO THAT'S JUST TO AVOID THE BROWN ACTS VIOLATION. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, IN INDIRECT WAY, I DID DO THAT ON YOUR BEHALF. 
          BUT YES, IT DOES FEEL, YOU KNOW, NOT AS DIRECT AS YOU, YOU KNOW, ABOUT, AND AND I THINK THIS IS A VALUABLE CONVERSATION BECAUSE I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THAT WAS HAPPENING FOR THAT REASON. 
          AND SO KNOWING THAT THAT'S HOW THAT'S HAPPENING IS IT'S A VALUABLE PROCEDURAL, UM, YOU KNOW, REVELATION. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT'S WHY WE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERY COMMISSION OR COMMITTEE GETS THE BROWN ACTING ROBERTS RULES PRESENTATION AT LEAST ONCE A YEAR. 
          JUST SO DISCUSSIONS LIKE THIS CAN HAPPEN AND WE CAN CLARIFY LIKE THE RULES AND PROCEDURES BETWEEN STAFF AND THE COMMISSION. 
          SO IT'S GREAT THAT WE'RE FIGURING ALL THAT OUT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO TWO OTHER QUICK QUESTIONS. 
          THESE ARE QUICK. 
          SO THEN ONCE WE APPROVE THE CALENDAR FOR THE REST OF THIS YEAR, THEY'RE GOING TO BE POSTED AND PEOPLE WILL KNOW ABOUT THEM NOW. 
          THEY'LL BE POSTED LIKE WITHIN A WEEK OR SOMETHING, OR DO THEY HAVE TO WAIT TO 72 HOURS BEFORE IT GETS ON THE SCHEDULE? SO THE MINUTES OF ANY FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS ON TODAY'S AGENDA THAT ARE DISCUSSED AND DECIDED AND, YOU KNOW, FORMALLY ADOPTED BY THE COMMISSION, THOSE MINUTES, UM, YOU KNOW, WILL, WILL LIVE FOREVER. 
          UM, BUT THE AGENDA POSTING REQUIREMENTS ARE DIFFERENT, UM, THAN THE PUBLIC KNOWING THE SCHEDULE. 
          BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE POSTED. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, ONCE THE TEACHER DATES ARE MADE AVAILABLE, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT MAY BE THE CLERK CAN CONFIRM OR THOSE ARE, IT'S OUR ALLEGATION AND IT'S THE LAW TO HAVE TWO, TWO POSTS WITHIN 72 HOURS OF A MEETING. 
          SO 24 HOURS SPECIAL MEETING, BUT 72 HOURS IN ADVANCE. 
          SO HOW COULD WE PROMOTE THAT, HEY, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A MEETING ON AUGUST THE 27TH IN WHICH WE'RE GONNA DO THIS. 
          A WE'RE GONNA HAVE A MEETING ON OCTOBER 29TH, OF WHICH WE'RE GONNA DO THIS. 
          SO HOW CAN WE PROMOTE THAT? BECAUSE IF IT IS WAITING FOR 72 HOURS, PEOPLE BOOK THEIR CALENDARS. 
          AND I WAS LIKE, WORRIED DID THEY HAVE THIS ON THEIR CALENDAR? BECAUSE I DIDN'T GET ANY OFFICIAL THING TO PUT ON MY CALENDAR. 
          I PUT IT MYSELF, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER THEY HAD IT ON THEIR CALENDARS AND WHETHER ANY OF THIS HAPPENED. 
          SO, AND IF I COULD JUST SHARE THAT IN THE NEXT ITEM, LIKE ASHLEY HAD REFERENCED, IT DOES INCLUDE OUR AGENDAS FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS THAT WE HAVE OUR MEETINGS THE NEXT TIME. 
          SO INCLUDES THE DATE AND THE TIME. 
          WELL, IT IS NOT AS FORMAL AS THE CLERK HAS MENTIONED WHERE WE POSTED 72 HOURS IN ADVANCE ON OUR, UM, PUBLIC WEBSITE. 
          THIS IS A PUBLIC DOCUMENT. 
          SO THE COMMUNITY AND THE PUBLIC DOES HAVE ACCESS TO THIS PRESENTATION AS AN AGENDA ITEM TO TODAY'S, THEY HAVE NOT TO GO LOOK FOR IT. 
          THEY'LL HAVE TO KNOW TO LOOK FOR IT. 
          IT DOES SAY IN OUR AGENDA ITEM PROPOSED DATES FOR THE FUTURE. 
          BUT THAT IS ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE, UM, PLAN FOR THE FUTURE TOGETHER AS A TEAM. 
          THIS IS ALSO 
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AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA REVIEW ALL THROUGH THAT TODAY THOUGH. 
          AND THEN ONE OTHER HOPEFULLY QUICK QUESTION. 
          SO YES, I SEE WE, WE HAVE THIS VERY GENERIC, UH, UH, AGENDA AND I, I SAW THE MINUTES AND THEY'RE ALSO VERY, VERY GENERIC. 
          LIKE CONVERSATION WAS HAD, IT WAS APPROVED AND BY THIS AND NEXT ITEM. 
          UM, SO MY QUESTION IS, WHY ARE THERE NOT ANY KIND OF SUMMARIES OF SOME OF THE DISCUSSION OR ANY OF THE POINTS BEING REQUESTED OR MADE OR QUESTIONS THAT PEOPLE ASK? BECAUSE IN MY MIND, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I'VE HEARD FROM SOME OF THE OTHER MEMBERS, I KNOW OTHER OUTSIDE PUBLIC THAT INSERTED. 
          SO UNLESS THEY'RE PRESENT OR UNLESS THEY'LL NEVER HAVE IT OR, YOU KNOW, SO FOR THIS PARTICULAR MEETING, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A VIDEO RECORDED, UM, AND AUDIO RECORDED AND THAT'S WHERE THE PUBLIC CAN ALWAYS LAY BACK, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, REVIEW THE MEETING IN THAT WAY. 
          UM, SO THAT'S ALWAYS WHY, UH, THE MINUTES ACTUALLY ARE A CONDENSED VERSION AND THEN THE ACTUAL CONVERSATIONS ARE CAPTURED REALLY WELL IN THE AUDIO AND VIDEO. 
          SO I HAVE TO BECOME ONE OF THOSE GAD FLIES AND START ATTACHING AND WATCHING EVERY MINUTE OF EVERY COMMISSION AND EVERY MEETING IF I EVER WANT TO GET INVOLVED. 
          OR THEY COULD JUST PRESS PLAY AND THEN THEY COULD GO TO THE AGENDA ITEM THAT CORRESPONDS TO THE MINUTES. 
          BUT, UM, THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE, IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD ON THAT, BUT OTHERWISE IT'S AVAILABLE, UM, AFTER THE MEETING YEAH. 
          TO DO THE AUDIO AND VIDEO MM-HMM . 
          FOR EACH MEETING. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND WE, AND WE ALSO HAVE THE TRANSCRIPTS, BUT THAT IS THE PRACTICE OF THE CITY BECAUSE WE DO PROVIDE, UM, VIDEO AND AUDIO TO ACCOMPANY THE MINUTES. 
          AND SIR, THERE, THERE'S NO WAY THAT IF WE HAVE A SPECIFIC DISCUSSION ITEM THAT WE CAN'T SAY, CAN YOU PLEASE HIGHLIGHT IN THE MINUTES THAT OUR GROUP HAS AGREED TO DO THIS AND THIS AND THIS AND THIS, INSTEAD OF JUST SAYING WE DISCUSSED AND AGREED UPON THE DATES. 
          SO THE MINUTES WILL SAY WHAT THE EXACT MOTION IS THAT THE COMMITTEE APPROVED. 
          SO WHATEVER ITEM THAT'S APPROVED, IT'LL, IT'LL HAVE THE, THE ACTUAL MOTION, THE VOTE. 
          UM, SO THAT'S WHERE IT'LL BE CAPTURED IN THE AGENDA ITEM. 
          AND THEN I, AND I SAID THAT WAS MY LAST QUESTION, BUT I GUESS ONE MORE WHY I, SO CAN WE GET THIS MATERIAL MORE THAN A DAY IN ADVANCE? I THOUGHT I READ SOMEPLACE THAT WE COULD GET THIS FIVE DAYS IN ADVANCE OF THE MEETING, WE WOULD GET THE PRESENTATIONS AND THE MATERIAL. 
          I DID SPEND A LITTLE TIME YESTERDAY, BUT I HAD SO MANY THINGS YESTERDAY AND SO MANY THINGS TODAY. 
          BUT THIS WEEKEND I WOULD'VE LOVED TO HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL. 
          SO I DON'T FEEL LIKE I WAS ABLE TO DO MY HOMEWORK. 
          AND I KNOW I READ SOMETHING THAT SAID ABOUT A FIVE DAY THAT IT WOULD BE PRESENTED. 
          WHAT IS THE ROLE AS TO WHEN WE CAN GET MATERIALS FOR THIS MEETING? YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY FINANCIAL MATERIALS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          I THINK IT SAYS FIVE DAYS IN THE, UH, WHATEVER YOU CALL IT, THE RESOLUTION. 
          IT SAYS 72 HOURS NOTICE OF MEETINGS. 
          BUT FIVE DAYS BEFORE WE WOULD GET THE MATERIALS OF THE MEETING, I'LL HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK THE RESOLUTION. 
          SO THE, THE AGENDA ITSELF, WHICH IS THE AGENDA ITEMS, UM, NO STAFF REPORTS IS POSTED SEVEN TWO HOURS OF MEETING, LIKE THE CLERK HAD MENTIONED THE MATERIALS, UM, GO THROUGH A STRINGENT REVIEW PROCESS. 
          SO THE MOMENT WE KNOW THIS MEETING IS HAPPENING MONTHS IN ADVANCE, WE PREPARE THE MATERIALS AGAIN WITH ALL THE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE HERE. 
          UH, AND SO ONCE WE GET THAT APPROVED, IT GOES UP THE CHAIN. 
          SO EVEN OUR CITY MANAGERS TEAM REVIEWS THESE FINAL MATERIALS BEFORE THEY ARE PUBLICIZED SO WE CAN BACK INTO THE SOONER DATE. 
          UH, AGAIN, I'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT THE, UM, RESOLUTION ON IF IT MANDATES A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME IN ADVANCE. 
          BUT, UM, THE ONLY THING THAT IS ACTUALLY REQUIRED IS THE SEVEN HR ADVANCE NOTICE OF THE, THE AGENDA POSTING, WHICH IS . 
          AND IT MIGHT BE MY HISTORY BECAUSE BOTH THE CULVER CITY AND CITY OF SANTA MONICA, WE WERE REQUIRED TO GIVE OUT COMMISSIONERS AND, AND COMMITTEES, ALL OF OUR MATERIAL TO BE PRESENTED FIVE DAYS BEFORE GIVING THEM APPROPRIATE TIME TO REVIEW THE MATERIALS. 
          SO I, I WOULD LIKE THAT TO BE AN OFFICIAL REQUEST TO FIND OUT WHAT IS THE SOONEST TIME THAT WE CAN GIVE THE MATERIALS SO THAT WE HAVE TIME. 
          IF THERE IS HOMEWORK, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE DID CREATE A SUBCOMMITTEE TO DRAFT A LETTER OF A RECOMMENDATION, I WOULD HOPE THAT THEY COULD GET IT FOUR OR FIVE DAYS BEFORE, LOOK AT IT SO THAT THEY CAN PUT THEIR THOUGHTS IN WRITING SO THAT WHEN WE CAME IN IT WASN'T, OH, I SAW IT YESTERDAY AND WE MISSPELLED THIS WORD ONLY I'D RATHER THAN THINK. 
          SO IF WE CAN FIND OUT WHAT'S AS SOON AS WE CAN GET IT AND GIVE SOME TIME TO DO HOMEWORK. 
          ALRIGHT, I THINK THAT'S IT FOR ME AND LET ME JUST OPEN IT UP BACK TO OTHER COMMISSIONERS. 
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ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? OKAY, SO NOW I NEED THAT CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. 
          MEMBER OCHOA. 
          YES. 
          MEMBER HOWER. 
          YES. 
          VICE CHAIR. 
          AMY? YES. 
          CHAIR CRUZ? YES. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UH, YOU CAN PLEASE READ THE ITEM NUMBER FOUR. 
          ITEM FOUR IS A RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE AN UPDATE REGARDING THE TRANSACTIONS AND USE TAX CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE PURPOSE AND UPCOMING MEETING DATES. 
          OH, I'M SORRY, . 
          I WAS LIKE, SORRY. 
          ALRIGHT, UH, CAN I GET A MOTION ON THIS ITEM? MOVE? IT IS BEING MOVED BY MEMBER AMY AND SECONDED BY MEMBER OCHOA STAFF. 
          IS THERE A REPORT OR PRESENTATION FOR THIS ITEM? YES. 
          UH, YOU'RE TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF ME. 
          YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT ALL THE GOOD STUFF, BUT I'M HERE NOW TO TALK ABOUT THIS SO WE CAN CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION. 
          KIND OF THAT, UM, LEADS INTO THE GROUND ACT. 
          SO, GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          THE PURPOSE OF THIS PRESENTATION IS TO PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF DUTIES FOR CITY COMMITTEES AND SPECIFICALLY FOR THE CAC AS GUIDED BY THE ADOPTED BYLAWS AND A REVIEW OF OUR PROPOSED SCHEDULE OF TOPICS AND MEETING DATES FOR 2025. 
          THE CITY OF LONG BEACH AND FOURTH AND COMMISSION SYSTEM PROVIDES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR COMMISSIONERS TO INTERACT CREATIVELY WITH PEOPLE OF ALL AGES, INTERESTS AND BACKGROUNDS. 
          IT IS IMPORTANT THAT COMMISSIONS ENSURE THAT A WIDE VARIETY OF VIEWPOINTS FROM THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY ARE CONSIDERED WHEN COMMISSIONS MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          COMMISSIONERS SHOULD TREAT THESE WIDELY VARYING VIEWPOINTS OF OTHER COMMISSIONERS AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WITH RESPECT, SO THAT ALL RESIDENTS ARE REFERRED TO PARTICIPATE. 
          GOVERNMENT ADVISORY COMMISSIONS PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER AND THEREAFTER AT THEIR DISCRETION MADE FORMAL ADOPTIONS. 
          SO SPECIFICALLY FOR THE T-U-T-C-A-C, ACCORDING TO THE NOTED RESOLUTIONS BYLAWS, IT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CAC TO PERIODICALLY REVIEW THE CITY'S USE OF TUT REVENUE AND ADVISE THE CITY COUNCIL REGARDING THE USE OF TUC REVENUE. 
          ALL ACTIONS OF THE CAC SHALL BE ADVISORY ONLY EXCEPT FOR THOSE MATTERS WHERE FINAL AUTHORITY HAS BEEN ASSIGNED BY ACTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          AND SO THE NEXT THREE SLIDES COVER THE DUTIES AS OUTLINED IN THE BYLAWS OF THE CAC. 
          THE DUTIES OF THE CA SHALL BE TO PERIODICALLY REVIEW THE CITY'S USE OFT UT REVENUE AND ADVISE THE CITY COUNCIL REGARDING THE USE OF TUT REVENUE. 
          AND THE CAC SHALL ADVISE THE CITY COUNCIL ON THE USE OF TUT REVENUES CONFORMING WITH THE INTENT OF RESOLUTION NUMBER RES 16 DASH 0 0 1 8, PRIORITIZING SPENDING, AND WITH THE LANGUAGE CONTAINED IN THE BALLOT MEASURE EXPRESSED IN RESOLUTION NUMBER RES 16 DASH ZERO SEVEN. 
          UM, ALSO INCLUDED, UM, IN THIS SLIDE AND ATTACHED TO THE PRESENTATION IN YOUR BINDERS IS THE, UH, CITY ATTORNEY POWERS AND DUTIES OF THE MEASURE A COMMITTEE MEMORANDUM, WHICH WAS A, UH, LETTER PROVIDED BY OUR CITY ATTORNEY IN THEIR INTERPRETATION OF THE BYLAWS. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT AS WELL. 
          UH, THE CAC WILL PRESENT REPORTS ON THE RESULTS OF ITS ACTIVITIES AND AT A MINIMUM AN ANNUAL WRITTEN REPORT OF ITS ACTIVITIES THE PREVIOUS YEAR TO THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL WILL BE PRESENTED. 
          THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE REPORT ARE OUTLINED IN CHAPTER 2.1 OF 2.18 OF THE LONG BEACH MUNICIPAL CODE AND LISTED IN FURTHER DETAIL ON THIS SLIDE. 
          ADDITIONALLY, TO ACHIEVE ITS PURPOSE, THE CAC MAY ENGAGE IN ANY OF THE FOLLOWING ACTIVITIES. 
          UH, A RECEIVE AND REVIEW PERIODIC REPORTS PREPARED BY FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER IN CONNECTION WITH THE ANALYSIS OF THE USE OF THE TUT REVENUES. 
          B, RECEIVE AND REVIEW COPIES OF THE CITY'S ANNUAL FINANCIAL REPORTS OF ANY ASSOCIATED AUDITS. 
          C REVIEW PRO PROJECTS FUNDED WITH TUT REVENUE AND RECEIVE PERIODIC UPDATES FROM CITY STAFF ON THE STATUS OF THIS PROJECT. 
          AND D PROVIDE PERIODIC REPORTS FOR THE CITY COUNCIL ON THE CITY'S USE OF TUT REVENUES. 
          WHEN A COMMISSION OR COMMITTEE WISHES TO TRANSMIT A RECOMMENDATION TO THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL, THEY WORK WITH THEIR DEPARTMENT STAFF LIAISON TO SUBMIT A MEMORANDUM TO THE CITY MANAGER FOR THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. 
          THE RECOMMENDATION SHOULD BE FORMALLY APPROVED BY THE BODY OF THE COMMISSION OR COMMITTEE AND THE MEMORANDUM TO THE CITY MANAGER WOULD BE PLACED ONLINE ONCE TRANSMITTED. 
          THIS ENSURES TRANSPARENCY AS THE RECOMMENDATION IS MADE PUBLICLY AVAILABLE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THE MAYOR MAY THEN ADD THE RECOMMENDATION FROM A COMMISSION OR COMMITTEE TO A COUNCIL AGENDA. 
          IF THEY SO CHOOSE, THE CITY MANAGER CAN ALSO SPONSOR THE ITEM AT HIS DISCRETION. 
          AND LASTLY, WITH THAT OVERVIEW OF THE TUT CAC C'S DUTIES AS OUTLINED BY THE BYLAWS, THIS SLIDE SHOWS A TENTATIVE SCHEDULE OF COMMITTEE TOPICS AND MEETING DATES FOR 2025, THE BOLDED BULLETS TO NOTE THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CAC AS A PART OF THE BYLAW DUTIES. 
          WE JUST WENT OVER THE PREVIOUS SLIDES AND SO IT SHOWS MAY, AUGUST AND OCTOBER IN, UH, COINCIDENCE WITH OUR BUDGET PROCESS. 
          AND THIS CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTION. 
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OKAY, BEFORE DISCUSSION, CLERK, CAN YOU PLEASE CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT PLEASE? THIS ITEM, IF ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND NOW. 
          NO PUBLIC COMMENT HERE. 
          ALRIGHT, MEMBERS ARE, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? MEMBER OCHOA? UM, SO I KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO PREVIOUS DISCUSSION ABOUT HAVING THE AD HOC COMMITTEE, UM, TO YOU TO BE WRITE, POTENTIALLY WRITE A LETTER TO SEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR IN REGARDS TO THE BUDGET, UH, I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT, BUT I WANTED TO SEE IF IT WOULD REALLY BE FEASIBLE TO, UH, SET UP THAT AD HOC COMMITTEE SHORTLY AFTER THE AUGUST MEETING SO THAT WAY WE WOULD HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW IT GONNA BE SPENT. 
          WE'D HAVE QUESTION FEEDBACK ON, UM, WHAT WE WOULD WANT TO SEE INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET, AND THEN HAVING THE AD HOC MEETING COMING BACK AND WHAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A MEETING IN SEPTEMBER FOR THE REST OF THE COMMISSION TO REVIEW THAT LETTER AND THEN PROVIDE HIS FEEDBACK AND THEN SEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          MAYOR, CAN I MAKE A COMMENT? YES. 
          I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE BUDGET PROCESS TO HELP ME WITH YOUR DECISION MAKING IN THAT TIMELINE. 
          SO RIGHT NOW OUR, UH, DEPARTMENTS ARE WORKING ON THEIR BUDGET ENHANCEMENT OR REDUCTION REQUEST. 
          SO THEY'RE WORKING BEHIND THE SCENES, UM, WITH WHAT THOSE ASK LOOK LIKE. 
          THEN WE WILL PREPARE THE BUDGET, LOOK LIKE THE CHAIR MENTIONED, THAT WILL GO TO THE MAYOR NO LATER THAN JULY 3RD. 
          STILL NOT PUBLIC YET. 
          THE MAYOR WILL REVIEW THE BUDGET BOOK, PROPOSED BUDGET BOOK FOR FISCAL 3 26 OVER THE COURSE OF THAT TIME TO AUGUST 2ND, WHICH IS THE NEXT CHARTER MANDATED DATE THAT IT WILL BE THEN PUBLICLY RELEASED. 
          AND THEN FROM AUGUST TO SEPTEMBER 15TH, WHICH IS THE NEXT CHARTER MANDATED DATE, THE BUDGET, UM, WILL BE, NEEDS TO BE ADOPTED BY SEPTEMBER 15TH. 
          SO PRIOR TO RECOMMEND, UM, MAYBE STARTING SOONER. 
          SO THAT WAY WHILE YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SEE THE PROPOSED BUDGET, YOU KNOW, BY OUR NEXT MAY DATE, I THINK THERE CAN STILL BE, UM, WORK DONE BY THE AD HOC COMMITTEE THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL WITH THAT BY OUR AUGUST 27TH MEETING ON THE, THE AGENDA, THAT'S WHEN YOU WOULD'VE HAD, UH, A LITTLE LESS THAN A MONTH TO RECEIVE THE BOOK AND READ THE BOOK AND UNDERSTAND THE BOOK. 
          AND THEN, UM, I WOULD RECOMMEND PERHAPS THAT THAT AUGUST DATE IS WHEN YOU WOULD MAYBE FINALIZE THE LETTER. 
          OKAY. 
          SO JUST FOR CLARITY, THE, THE JULY 3RD IS THE DATE THAT THE CITY MANAGER PROVIDES THE BUDGET TO THE CITY, OR THAT'S THE LATEST DATE THAT THE CITY MANAGER PROVIDES TO THE, TO THE MAYOR? CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S THE LATEST DATE. 
          AND THEN, AND THEN THE MAYOR'S SUPPOSED TO PRESENT THE BUDGET ON AUGUST THE SECOND AT THE LATEST? CORRECT. 
          AND IT GOES ALL THE WAY TO AUGUST 27TH FOR HEARING. 
          SEPTEMBER 15TH IS THE TIME THAT WE ARE MANDATED TO ADOPT THE BUDGET. 
          NO. 
          WELL THAT'S WHEN COUNCIL VOTES. 
          CORRECT. 
          BUT WHEN DOES THE MAYOR GIVE THEIR BUDGET TO THE COUNCIL? UH, THAT IT'S A WHOLE PACKAGE. 
          SO THE MAYOR'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE PROPOSED CITY MANAGER'S BUDGET ALL COMES OUT TOGETHER ON OH, OKAY. 
          SO, SO YOU'RE SAYING HE'S GOT THE BUDGET ON JULY 3RD? CORRECT. 
          AND THEN AT AUGUST 2ND, HE'S, HE ALREADY HAS COMPILED SOME RECOMMENDATIONS OR HE HAS WAIT TILL AUGUST THE 15TH OR 20, THERE WAS ANOTHER DATE YOU SAID IN AUGUST 20 15TH TO TWO WEEKS, OR, WELL, AUGUST 27TH IS OUR PROPOSED DATE FOR THIS MEETING TO COME BACK TOGETHER. 
          OH. 
          UM, AGAIN, THAT CAN BE CHANGED OR, OR, UM, MOVED. 
          SO THE CHARTER MANDATED DATES WITHIN OUR BUDGET PROCESS IS THE JULY 3RD DATE THAT YOU MENTIONED, THE AUGUST 2ND DATE. 
          AND THEN THIS IS ON 15. 
          AND THEN AMONGST THE AUGUST TIMES, WHICH IS ALSO REALLY GREAT OPPORTUNITY, UM, IS OUR BUDGET OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE MEETS, AND THAT IS, UM, A FREQUENT COMMITTEE THAT THE MAYOR RECOMMENDS TO OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS AS WELL. 
          IF THEY WANNA SUBMIT ANY RECOMMENDATIONS TO CHANGES IN THE BUDGET OR FIND FUNDING FOR THINGS THAT AREN'T PERHAPS IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET, THEY GO THROUGH THE BUDGET OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE AFTERWARDS AS WELL. 
          SO MY THOUGHT IN TRYING TO LOOK AT THE CALENDAR THAT WE GOT, IF I CAN SPEAK NOW, IS IN TRYING TO COME UP WITH THE DATES, I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO AT LEAST LOOK AT WHERE MEASURE A IS BEING SPENT IN, IN THE PAST MEETINGS BEFORE WE ACTUALLY SAW PROJECTIONS OF WHAT WE THOUGHT INCOME WAS GONNA BE FOR FISCAL YEAR 26, 7, AND EIGHT AND WHERE IT WAS GOING. 
          AND WE KNOW IN THE BIG ELEVATE 28 THAT A LOT OF THE BUDGET HAS ALREADY KIND OF BEEN WORKED OUT OR THERE'S, THERE'S A THOUGHT AND I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THE CITY HAS A PROJECTION OF WHERE THEY THINK THE BUDGET'S GONNA BE BY REVENUE WISE AND WHERE THEY THINK IT'S GONNA COVER EXPENSE WISE. 
          AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I, I WOULD LIKE TO US AS A COMMISSION TO SPEND MORE TIME UNDERSTANDING THAT AND, AND, AND HAVING A CONVERSATION ON THAT. 
          AND THEN POTENTIALLY COMING BACK TO A RECOMMENDATION TO THE MAYOR TO POTENTIALLY 
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HELP HIM IN MAY 28TH, OR AT LEAST TO HAVE A CONVERSATION. 
          BUT I WAS HOPING WE WERE GONNA HAVE THE MANAGER'S BUDGET BY THEN BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE CAN INFLUENCE THE MANAGER YET IF WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT PART OF IT. 
          THE, 'CAUSE THE FIRST PART OF THE PROCESS IS, IS THE DEPARTMENT'S GETTING THE INFORMATION AND THERE REALLY IS NO PUBLIC OR NO COMMISSION PROVIDING INPUT. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? UH, SO IN THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR, WE HAD OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PROCESS. 
          SO IN THE JANUARY FEBRUARY TIMEFRAME, WE WERE SOLICITING INFORMATION FROM THE COMMUNITY TIED TO OUR STRATEGIC VISION 2030 THEMES. 
          SO IT'S OUR CURRENT BUDGET IN ALIGNMENT WITH THOSE THEMES IS IT, UM, WHAT YOU ENVISIONED AS A COMMUNITY. 
          AND THEN WE DID A BUDGET, UH, STUDY SESSION A FEW WEEKS AGO, MARCH 18TH, UM, IN WHICH WE SHARED THE TONE OF THE BUDGET, WHICH WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT THE COUNCIL HAD EVEN SEEN AN UPDATED PROJECTION DEFICIT FOR THIS 3 26, WHICH IS 19.8 MILLION FROM OUR 30 MILLION IN OUR 25 DOCKET BUDGET. 
          AND SO THAT KIND OF SET THE TONE OF THEM KNOWING HOW WE WILL PROCEED WITH THIS CLEAR 26 AND, UH, THE DIRECTION YOU KIND OF RECEIVED FROM OUR CITY MANAGER COUNSEL. 
          AND, AND BEFORE I RECOGNIZE YOU, HOWARD, I JUST WANT TO SAY ONE THING REAL QUICK IN OUR THINKING PROCESS, MY THOUGHT IS THIS, AND I, AND I KNOW WE'LL SEE THIS MORE AND WE'VE ALREADY SEEN THE NUMBERS IN THE LAST ONES, BUT, BUT I THINK WHEN YOU GO BACK IN, AND WE'RE GONNA TALK MORE IN DETAILS, BUT BASED ON MY CALCULATIONS OF WHERE WE'RE AT, AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS, AND FISCAL YEAR 17, YOU KNOW, 72% OF THE MONIES WAS FOR INFRASTRUCTURE AND 20 SOME ODDS WAS FOR, UH, FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. 
          AND TODAY YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE OPERATING DOLLARS FISCAL YEAR 24, IT'S OVER 61% IS GOING INTO OPERATING DOLLARS TO SUPPORT PUBLIC SAFETY AND ONLY, UH, 24% IS GOING TO INFRASTRUCTURE OF CURRENT REVENUE DOLLARS. 
          AND SO IN MY, MY THOUGHT IS, I KNOW AS A PUBLIC AND VOTING, I NEVER EVER THOUGHT THAT IT WOULD SWITCH THAT MUCH WHERE MEASURE A WOULD BE USED FOR SO MUCH OPERATING DOLLARS. 
          SO I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THAT BETTER. 
          AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO AS A COMMISSION TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, HEY, WE UNDERSTAND THIS IS WHAT WE THOUGHT THE INTENT WAS OF THIS MEASURE. 
          AND JUST KIND OF GIVE SOME GENERAL THOUGHTS ON THAT. 
          NOT, I'M NOT AN EXPERT AND I'M NOT GONNA SAY PRIORITIZE THIS PROJECT, DO THAT PROJECT, DO THAT. 
          AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT OUR COMMISSION SHOULD DO. 
          BUT I THINK IN THE BIG GENERAL SENSE OF YOU'RE ROBBING PETER SO MUCH TO PAY FOR OPERATING FUNDS, THE PROMISE WAS YOU WERE GOING TO NOT ONLY MAINTAIN BUT ENHANCE, UH, UM, PUBLIC SAFETY. 
          BUT WHEN I LOOKED AT THE NUMBERS, THE NUMBER OF HEADCOUNT FROM FISCAL YEAR 17 TO FISCAL YEAR 24 HAS NOT GROWN 70%. 
          THE ACTUAL HEAD COUNT IS BARELY A FEW MORE HEADS. 
          AND SO IT'S JUST SHIFTING ALL OF THIS INTO GENERAL OPERATING EXPENSE. 
          AND I KNOW WE'RE GONNA SEE THAT MORE IN DETAIL AND WE CAN HAVE MORE DETAILED CONVERSATION AND AGREE ON THE NUMBERS, BUT, BUT FOR ME, YOU KNOW, 72 TO 24% IS NOT ACCEPTABLE OF OF CURRENT YEAR DOLLARS GOING INTO PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          WHEN I CROSS CARSON, I KNOW WHEN I'M ON A LONG BEACH STREET AT CARSON AND I KNOW WHEN I'M ON LAKEWOOD IN CARSON, WHEN I'M ON OCEAN BOULEVARD, I KNOW I'M ON OCEAN BOULEVARD BECAUSE IT IS, IT, IT IT IS WORSE THAN 2016. 
          SO, UM, I MEMBER OUR, UM, AGAIN, UH, SUPPLEMENTING WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, COULD YOU SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE BUDGET OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE AND HOW THAT IS POPULATED? UH, THAT IS A, UH, MEMBER, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          SO IT, IT'S A THREE BODIED, UH, COMMITTEE AND WE RECENTLY GOT A NEW, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBER, UH, APPOINTED LAST YEAR. 
          SO IT CONSISTS OF, UM, COUNCIL DISTRICT TWO, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER ALLEN, REALLY  COUNCIL MEMBER YENGA . 
          AND OUR CHAIR IS DR. 
          UH, RICK ZOE. 
          SO IT'S OUR THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THAT'S THE, UM, MAKEUP OF THE BUDGET. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THERE'S, ALRIGHT, SO THERE ISN'T ANY OPPORTUNITY FOR SAY A COMMISSION CHAIR LIKE, UM, CHAIR CRUZ TO BE ON, ON, ON A, AN OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE LIKE THAT TO, UM, HAVING, YOU KNOW, DEVELOP SOME EXPERTISE IN THIS AREA THAT, THAT COULD BE VALUABLE TO AN OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE. 
          I WOULD SAY PROBABLY NOT WITHIN THE MAKEUP OF THE COMMITTEE, BUT THERE'S CERTAINLY I THINK AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE A LETTER TO THE COMMITTEE ON BEHALF OF, OF THIS GROUP TO SHARE INSIGHT INTO MEASURE A. 
          UM, THEY ALSO ACCEPT INPUT FROM EVERY 
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OTHER COUNCIL MEMBER ON THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          SO, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE TAKING INFORMATION AND, AND DIGESTING THAT. 
          SO BASED ON WHAT, UH, HOW IS SAYING MEMBER HOWARD SAYING WE COULD THEORETICALLY HAVE SOME KIND OF CONVERSATION TODAY AND THEN BE ABLE TO APPROACH THE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE AND JUST MENTION A CONCERN THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO BE CONSIDERED OR LOOKED AT AS THEY'RE DEVELOPING THIS YEAR'S BUDGET? ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND MADE BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT. 
          THEY ACTUALLY MEET WEEKLY WITH, UH, WHEN THE MOMENT THE BUDGET IS RELEASED IN AUGUST ALL THE WAY UNTIL ADOPTION NIGHT. 
          SO ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SIX MEETINGS OR SO, SIX OR SEVEN MEETINGS. 
          AND, UM, YOU'RE ALSO WELCOME TO ATTEND, UM, IN PERSON TO SHARE ANY INSIGHT ON, I DON'T KNOW IF IT COULD BE ON BEHALF OF THE ENTIRE COMMITTEE, BUT PROBABLY AS A MEMBER OF THE, THE COMMITTEE TO SHARE, UM, INFORMATIONAL MEASURE A. 
          YEAH, THERE THEY'RE PUBLIC HEARINGS. 
          SO THERE WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENTS. 
          HOWEVER, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU WOULD WANT SOME RECOMMENDATION COMING FROM THIS ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO GO TO BO THE BOC. 
          IT MIGHT BE A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHAT AN AD HOC COMMITTEE COULD DO IF YOU'RE LOOKING TO CREATE A LETTER. 
          UM, IT JUST DEPENDS. 
          BUT THIS WOULD BE A GOOD EXAMPLE OF AN AGENDA ITEM SO THAT THERE WOULD BE MORE DISCRETION AROUND IT ALSO. 
          UM, BUT IT MIGHT JUST BE AN, AN AD HOC, UH, COMMITTEE, JUST KIND OF DEPENDS ON WHAT YOUR, WHAT THE INTENTION IS. 
          BUT YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THE OC MEETINGS ARE OVER TO THE PUBLIC AND YOU'RE ABLE TO ATTEND AND MAKE PUBLIC COMMENTS AS WELL. 
          I LIKE THAT IDEA. 
          I LIKE, BASED ON WHAT SHE'S SAYING IS THAT BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO REVIEW THE FUNDING HISTORY AND THE PROJECTIONS LATER ON, ON THE FURTHER AGENDA ITEM, AND ONCE WE REVIEW THAT, WE'LL HAVE A BETTER GRASP OF WHETHER MY NUMBERS ARRIVE. 
          ALTHOUGH THEY'RE PRETTY, I, I AM A CPA, SO I PLAYED WITH WHAT I HAD AND THE NUMBERS THAT WE HAD IN THE PAST. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO AT LEAST DISCUSS THAT. 
          AND THEN POTENTIALLY WE COULD THEN RECOMMEND AN AD HOC COMMITTEE TO LOOK AT THAT, CLARIFY A LETTER THAT JUST SAYS, HEY, WE'RE NOTICING THIS, IS THIS REALLY THE INTENT OF WHERE MEASURE A WAS GOING? WHY ARE THE FUNDS DRYING UP FOR INFRASTRUCTURE? AND SOMETHING ALONG JUST A SIMPLE TRANSPARENCY AWARENESS. 
          BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S I THINK ALL ACCORDING TO THE LETTER, UH, FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY. 
          UH, OUR AUTHORITY IS TO JUST BASICALLY POINT OUT THINGS. 
          WE MAKE NO TRUE RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT PROJECTS OR ANYTHING, BUT THIS WOULD BE A CLARITY OF TRANSPARENCY IN HOW WE'RE PRESENTING THE FUNDS ARE BEING SPENT ON A ANNUAL BASIS AND WE THINK THIS IS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER AND MAYBE YOU MIGHT WANT MAKE SURE AT MINIMUM OF 50% OF THE FUNDS ARE GOING TO INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          I I, I, I THINK I'M GOOD WITH THAT IF WE ALL WANNA TRY TO MOVE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THEN, UH, WE'LL CLARIFY THEN THE DATES LATER. 
          'CAUSE I THINK I WROTE THEM DOWN. 
          SO THE JULY THE THIRD IS THE CITY MANAGER BUDGET, UH, GONNA BE RELEASED, WHICH IS AFTER OUR MAY 28TH MEETING. 
          UM, IT PROBABLY IS PUBLICLY, THAT WAS TO THE MAYOR. 
          OH. 
          SO WE DON'T GET ACCESS TO IT. 
          NOBODY GETS ACCESS TO IT UNTIL AUGUST 2ND. 
          OH, AND WHEN DO THE, WHEN DOES THE BUDGET OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE START MEETING? UM, I BELIEVE THEIR FIRST MEETING IS JULY 22ND. 
          AND WE'LL MEET THERE AND THEN THEY WILL CONSECUTIVELY BE BEGINNING, UH, THE FIRST WEEK OF AUGUST. 
          THEY'RE TYPICALLY ON TUESDAYS BEFORE, UM, THE COUNCIL MEETINGS. 
          SO THAT BEGIN JULY 20TH, JULY 22ND. 
          AND THEN, UM, AUGUST 5TH, AUGUST 12TH, 1926, SEPTEMBER 2ND AND SEPTEMBER 9TH. 
          SO CONSECUTIVELY UNTIL . 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO JULY 3RD IS FOR MAYOR EYES ONLY. 
          WE DON'T SEE ANYTHING UNTIL AUGUST THE SECOND. 
          CORRECT. 
          IT'S UNTIL INDIVIDUALLY WE GET THAT. 
          BUT THEN IF WE'RE MEETING ON AUGUST THE 27TH, IS THE MAYOR DONE RECEIVING INPUT? SO CAN YOU THE RECEIV INPUT BY THE BUNCH OF OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE BY ANYBODY ELSE? NO, I'M SAYING, SO WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING, YOUR HONOR, I WANNA BE CLEAR BECAUSE I'M NEW TO THE CITY OF LONG BEACH BUDGETING PROCESS. 
          YOU HAVE A, THE THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT ARE SUPPOSEDLY SAYING, HEY, WE THINK THIS, WE THINK THIS, WE THINK THAT THE CITY MANAGER IS REALLY CREATING THE BUDGET. 
          SO AFTER LISTENING TO ALL THE DEPARTMENTS, THEY'RE JUGGLING AND THEN SAYING, OKAY, HERE'S THE BUDGET. 
          SO THEN YOU'RE SAYING HE GIVES IT TO THE MAYOR'S 
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OFFICE FOR THEIR EYES ONLY. 
          HE THEN LOOKS AT STUFF AND THEN, AND AND, AND DOESN'T COME UP WITH A BUDGET RECOMMENDATION SAYING, OKAY, HERE'S MY RECOMMENDATION. 
          NOW THEY'RE GONNA BE INSERTED. 
          AND SO NOW HERE'S THE CITY MANAGER WITH HOPEFULLY THE MAYOR'S RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          ARE THESE THE ONES THAT THE CITY MANAGERS AGREED TO? WHAT IF THE CITY MANAGER DISAGREES WITH THE MAYOR RECOMMENDATION THERE? OH, GO AHEAD. 
          YEAH, SURE. 
          SO THAT'S EXACTLY THE TIMELINE. 
          WHEN AUGUST 2ND COMES, THE CITY MANAGERS PROPOSED BUDGET IS THE BUDGET UNDER DISCUSSION, THE MAYOR HAS HIS RECOMMENDATIONS THAT DOES COME ALONGSIDE OF IT. 
          AND THESE RECOMMENDATIONS COULD BE COMMENTS OR ACTUAL RECOMMENDED CHANGES OR ADDITIONS THAT HE MAY WANT TO SEE WITHIN THE BUDGET. 
          BOTH ARE PRESENTED PUBLICLY TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          BO BODY WILL BE THE ULTIMATE AUTHORITY TO MAKE ANY OF THOSE APPROVED CHANGES. 
          AND WHEN AUGUST COMES, THE CITY COUNCIL WILL BE MEETING FOR BUDGET HEARINGS WEEKLY AS WELL. 
          BUT ALSO THERE'S SPECIALIZED TOPICS THAT ARE DISCUSSED AT OTHER MEETINGS WITH THE BOC, THE BUDGET OF THE SECOND COMMITTEE, THE BUDGET OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE CAN DEVELOP WHAT THEY HEARD AND MAKE ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION ON TOP OF THE MAYORS. 
          AND THEN WHAT WE LIKE TO CALL OUR BUDGET ADOPTION ITEM, WHICH IS THE SECOND WEEK OF SEPTEMBER, OR FIRST WEEK OF SEPTEMBER, THE CITY COUNCIL'S CONSIDERING THE MAYOR'S RECOMMENDATIONS, THE BUDGET OVERSIGHT RECOMMENDATIONS, AND COULD POSSIBLY HAVE THEIR OWN RECOMMENDATIONS WITHIN THE COUNCIL. 
          THAT IS ALL DISCUSSED WITH TRADE-OFFS OR ANY ADJUSTMENTS THAT WOULD WANT TO BE MADE ALL TO THE CITY MANAGER DEFENSE BUDGET. 
          AND THEN HOPEFULLY IF THERE'S AN AGREEMENT THAT ALL THOSE ARE ACTUALLY CHANGED AND APPROVED THROUGH MOTIONS AND THERE IS ONE ADOPTED BUDGET. 
          SO THEN THANK YOU. 
          THAT MAKES, THAT, THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          SO THEN WE, WE DON'T HAVE TO RUSH OURSELVES TO DRAFT SOMETHING FOR THE CITY MANAGER BECAUSE THE CITY MANAGER'S GONNA DO WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO ON JULY 3RD. 
          AND WE HAVE OUR MEETING ON MAY 28TH. 
          WE COULD REVIEW AND APPROVE A LETTER AT THAT MEETING THAT WOULD GO TO THE MAYOR, ALTHOUGH I JUST SAW THAT IT SAYS THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER TO THE MAYOR TO THE COUNCIL. 
          WE HAVE TO TRACK THE LETTER TO HIM. 
          UH, WE, WE COULD APPROVE THAT IN MAY 28TH. 
          AND THAT THEN THE MAYOR, WHEN HE GETS THE BUDGET, CAN REVIEW WHAT WE'RE SAYING. 
          AND THEN IF IT IS ANY KIND OF RECOMMENDATION, UM, THEN THE MAYOR IS MAKING THAT RECOMMENDATION. 
          THE CITY COUNCIL, IT WOULD BE THE CITY COUNCIL CONSIDER IT WOULD GO TO THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION. 
          WELL, BUT THEN HE'S NOT PUTTING OUT HIS TO AUGUST 2ND. 
          SO HE'S GOT TIME. 
          BUT IF HE WANTS TO INCORPORATE IT AS PART OF HIS RECOMMENDATION, HE COULD, BECAUSE IF WE ARE GOING 8 28, HE'S GOT ALL OF JUNE, JULY, HE'S GOT A LOT OF TIME. 
          WELL, OR EVEN AT MAY, THEORETICALLY THE CITY MANAGER COULD EVEN SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT, I DON'T WANNA GO DOWN THAT RABBIT HOLE. 
          LET ME JUST GO AHEAD AND INCORPORATE THAT WHEN IT'S RESOLVED. 
          WELL, I, I IT IS, I THINK NOW DON'T WE HAVE TO PUT, UH, AN AGENDA ITEM ON THE NEXT AGENDA TO ESTABLISH THE AD HOC COMMITTEE? OR CAN WE DO THAT TODAY? COULD YOU REPEAT THAT? DO WE HAVE TO, CAN WE ESTABLISH AN AD HOC COMMITTEE TODAY OR DO WE HAVE TO PUT AN AGENDA ITEM ON THE MAY 28TH MEETING TO CONSIDER THAT IT WOULD BE AN AGENDA ITEM ON THE NEXT MEETING. 
          SO WE COULD ESTABLISH THE, AN AD HOC COMMITTEE IN MAY, AND THEN THEY COULD MEET, AND THEN AT THE AUGUST 27TH MEETING, THEY COULD PRESENT THEIR FINDINGS TO THE COMMISSION AND THEN THAT LETTER COULD BE PRESENTED TO THE BUDGET OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE THROUGH THE CITY MANAGERS. 
          NO, NO. 
          THE BUDGET OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE IS MEETING UNTIL THE SEPTEMBER 15TH VOTE, BUT WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO, AUGUST 27TH WOULD BE THE LETTER. 
          THEN WE WOULD APPROVE ANY LETTER AS A COMMISSION. 
          SO EVEN IF WE ESTABLISHED THE AD HOC COMMITTEE ON MAY 28TH, WE, THE NEXT MEETING TIME IS AUGUST 27TH. 
          AND THEN WE WOULD APPROVE A LETTER AND BY THE TIME IT GOES OUT, IT'S ALREADY GONE. 
          THE MAYOR'S ALREADY BEEN REVIEWING AND DOING ALL THEIR STUFF. 
          WE HAVEN'T GIVEN ANY OPPORTUNITY FOR CONVERSATION FOR, FOR THE PUBLIC. 
          AND IF WE WANNA HAVE A COMMISSION THAT POTENTIALLY SAYS, HEY, TELL US HOW YOU THINK MEASURE A IS DOING AND ALLOWING THE PUBLIC TO COME AND SPEAK TO US, AT WHAT POINT IN TIME DO WE OFFER QUOTE UNQUOTE OPPORTUNITIES TO SAY, WE'RE FAILING HERE, WE'RE DOING SUCCESSFULLY HERE. 
          AND THEN WE DO, WE NEED A MEETING BETWEEN NOW AND MAY 28TH TO WE NEED ANOTHER MEETING AND TO ESTABLISH AN APO COMMITTEE. 
          UM, CHAIR, I WOULD JUST, I REALLY APPRECIATE HOW CAREFULLY EVERYONE'S TRYING TO BE IN LEARNING JUST HOW THE PROCESS IS FOR THIS. 
          THERE IS LEARNING THROUGH HERE, SO IF THERE'S SOME CONFUSION, YOU'RE RIGHT ON TRACK. 
          UM, I JUST WANT TO ENCOURAGE 
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YOU JUST TO REVIEW WHERE THE BYLAWS ARE AND IT REALLY SETS FORTH WHERE YOUR AUTHORITY IS AND WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS COMMITTEE AND, YOU KNOW, SO PROVIDE PERIODIC REPORTS TO CITY COUNCIL. 
          SO ANY, UM, COMMUNICATIONS THAT YOU HAVE INTERESTS TO YOUR FINDINGS AND YOUR, HOW YOU CAN SUBMIT THOSE COMMUNICATIONS THAT WOULD BE IN THE FORM OF REPORTS TO CITY COUNCIL. 
          I COULD SEE THAT THAT COULD ALSO BE BOC. 
          UM, BUT ANY SORT OF, YOU KNOW, I'M HEARING, WELL, WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS AND I WANT TO MAKE MENTION OF CERTAIN TRENDS AND ALL OF THAT. 
          THE VEHICLE THAT YOU HAVE TO COMMUNICATE YOUR VIEWS IS THROUGH REPORTS TO THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          AND I I I'M JUST HOPING THAT THAT'S MAKING SOME SENSE THERE. 
          NO, I, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT IN MY MIND, A REPORT IS NOT ONLY NUMBERS AND AND PRESENTATION, BUT IT CAN ALSO BE A MEMORANDUM SUMMARIZING, UH, SOME DATA. 
          AND SO IF, IF WE GET THIS ALLOCATION, WHICH WE'RE GONNA BE DISCUSSING MORE IN DETAIL, WORKED OUT WHERE IT SHOWS THE PERCENTAGES, JUST AGAIN, SO THAT IT IS VERY TRANSPARENT THAT, THAT WE JUST WANNA SUMMARIZE, NOTICE THIS TO THIS MM-HMM . 
          WHAT'S GOING ON? WHERE, WHAT ARE WE DOING? THESE ARE THE KIND OF QUESTIONS WE'D LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER AS YOU FINALIZE THE BUDGET THIS YEAR. 
          THAT, THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. 
          SO THAT, THAT I, I HEAR YOU ABOUT THE REPORT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND SO I THINK COMING BACK TO WHAT MEMBER HOWARD WAS SAYING, THAT IF, IF WE HAVE TO HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM TO CREATE AN AD HOC COMMITTEE, AND IF WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING WHERE THE AD HOC COMMITTEE CAN COME BACK AND PRESENT TO US AS A COMMISSION AS A WHOLE TO DECIDE HOW TO MOVE FORWARD WITH MAKING ANY KIND OF REPORT SLASH MEMO TO THE CITY MANAGER, MAYOR, COUNCIL ABOUT THE BUDGET AND THE USE OF MEASURE A FUNDS, I WOULD AGREE WITH HER THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A MEETING IN THE NEXT MONTH OR TWO BEFOREHAND TO ESTABLISH AN AD HOC COMMITTEE. 
          'CAUSE YOU'RE SAYING WE CAN'T ESTABLISH AN AD HOC COMMITTEE TODAY? NO, THERE WOULD BE BECAUSE IT WASN'T AN AGENDA ITEM. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          THERE'S NO THAT REQUIRED. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS, THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING REBECCA, I MEAN, WHAT DO WE DO? WHAT'S OUR PROCESS FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS UNTIL NOW LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GONNA CREATE ANOTHER MEETING? MEMBER OCHOA, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO UH, MOVE UP THE AUGUST MEETING DATE TO JULY SO THAT WAY WE HAVE TIME TO ESTABLISH THE COMMITTEE IN MAY, THE AD HOC COMMITTEE IN JUNE AND THEN JULY, UH, WE'RE APPROVING OR MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE LEARNER. 
          AND THEN  BEFORE, UH, EVERYTHING COMES, I, I LIKE THE MAY 28TH DATE BECAUSE THEN I THINK THE MANAGER WOULD KNOW WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM AND THAT GIVES THE MANAGER BECAUSE IT'S REALLY TO HIM AND THAT GIVES HIM A MONTH AND A HALF TO SEE OUR THOUGHTS AND THEN IT'S GOING TO ALL OF 'EM. 
          SO IF THERE WAS A WAY THAT WE SET UP A MEETING HERE, DO THE AD HOC, THE MAY 28TH IS JUST THE GENERAL REPORT PRESENTATION. 
          AND I THINK THE TWO ITEMS ARE HOW THE DOLLARS ARE BEING SPENT. 
          AND THEN THE SECOND ITEM IS, ARE WE GETTING ANY BETTER? THAT CONVERSATION BUT HAVING MAYBE TWO AD HOC COMMITTEES IN MY MIND, ONE TALKING, LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS AND WHERE THEY THEY WERE GOING AND ANOTHER ONE REALLY TALKING ABOUT ARE WE GETTING BETTER? AND THEN COMBINING SOME KIND OF LETTER THAT COULD END GOING FOR CONSIDERATION. 
          BECAUSE I THINK EVEN FOR THE FACT THAT WE, WE WERE ASKING PUBLIC WORKS AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE A CONVERSATION LATER ON, BUT HOW CAN THEY TELL US ARE WE GETTING ANY BETTER? THEY'RE GONNA BE PRESENTING ALL THEIR FORMS OF ASSESSMENTS, FACILITY ASSESSMENTS, PAVING ASSESSMENTS, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE DIFFERENT ASSESSMENTS AND PROCESSES AND WHAT THEY'VE DONE AND WHERE WE'RE AT AND WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO DO FUTURE ASSESSMENTS. 
          THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK THAT THIS GROUP CAN ALSO OFFER REPORT. 
          WE BELIEVE ASSESSMENTS SHOULD BE DONE ON A REGULAR BASIS SO THAT THE TAXPAYERS KNOW, YOU KNOW, AFTER EIGHT YEARS OF PAYING AND $600 MILLION, IS IT GOTTEN BETTER OR NOT? YOU KNOW, SO, UM, SO ARE, ARE WE GOOD THEN TO TRY TO LOOK AT TRYING TO HAVE A MEETING MAYBE IN, WHAT ARE WE IN MARCH? WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE IT NEXT MONTH UNFORTUNATELY. 
          IF I COULD ALSO PROVIDE ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE, UM, JUST SIDE BARING WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY. 
          UM, I THINK THAT YOU COULD ALSO ON THE MAY 28TH DATE CREATE AN FOR, UH, WE'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CREATE AN AD HOC AT THE NEXT MEETING WE WILL HAVE THE AGENDA ITEM CREATE THE AD HOC. 
          BUT IN THE TIMING OF THIS JULY 3RD DATE, WE COULD ALSO ADD AGENDA ITEM WHERE PERHAPS WHILE WE ALSO CREATE THE AD HOC IN THE SAME BREATH, 
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THE CHAIR CAN BRING A DRAFT LETTER AS A SEPARATE ITEM AND WE CAN WORKSHOP IT LIVE IN THE MEETING ON MAY 28TH AND THE WHOLE BOARD CAN VOTE ON IT. 
          UM, AND WE CAN KIND OF HELP SUPPORT ANY CHANGES TO IT. 
          AND THAT WAY WE CAN AT LEAST MEET THE JULY 3RD DATE. 
          AND THEN THE AD HOC GROUP IS STILL CREATED. 
          UM, IF YOU SO CHOOSE TO ALSO WRITE SOME THINGS, I SHARE SOMETHING WITH THE CAC IN AUGUST ONCE THE BUDGET IS RELEASED. 
          SO IT KIND OF SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE ONE WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO GET TO THE MAYOR BEFORE THE BUDGET IS RELEASED. 
          AND THEN YOU HAVE ONE WHERE YOU'VE SEEN THE BUDGET NOW AND YOU'VE ALSO WANNA OP APPLY. 
          SO IT KIND SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE THERE'S TWO OPPORTUNITIES. 
          SO WHO WOULD YOU'RE SAYING BRING A DRAFT OF A LETTER? WHO WOULD PREPARE THE DRAFT OF THE LETTER? THE CHAIR COULD BRING A DRAFT AND THEN, UM, THE ITEM COULD BE OPINED ON BY ALL MEMBERS OF THE CSU KIND OF WORKSHOP. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY THEN THAT EVERYBODY WOULD HAVE TO SEE IT IS AT THAT MEETING. 
          AND THIS IS JUST AN OPTION TO AVOID ADDING ANOTHER MEETING. 
          SHARON, IF YOU DON'T WANNA DO THAT. 
          WELL, MY PROBLEM, I DON'T WANNA DO IT BY MYSELF. 
          AND I THINK MY, MY TAKE IS TWO THINGS AND THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN, I THINK WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR THE LAST THREE MEETINGS. 
          IT IS, WHERE'S OUR MONEY GOING AND IS IT WORKING? IT'S LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS AND MAKING SURE WE'RE VERY CLEAR. 
          AND THEN HOW ARE WE DOING, WE'VE GOTTA TALK ABOUT THE ASSESSMENTS. 
          SO I WOULD HOPE NOW THAT Y'ALL TALKED TO THIS, ABOUT THESE AD HOC COMMITTEES, THAT WE HAVE TWO OF US JUST KIND OF LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS IN GENERAL. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER ONES WORKING WITH PUBLIC WORK TO UNDERSTAND BETTER THE ASSESSMENTS. 
          'CAUSE ONCE WE SEE IT, IT'S GONNA BE VERY GENERAL AND HIGH LEVEL. 
          AND I ALREADY KNOW I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT, WELL YOU KNOW, YOU SAID YOU DID THIS ONE WELL, WHERE WAS THE ONE IN 2016 AND HOW DOES THAT COMPARE? I'M NOT SEEING THAT COMPARISON. 
          SO THEY DID IT IN 2022 AND THEN THERE WAS ONE IN 2016 OR BEFORE. 
          HAS IT GOTTEN BETTER? THAT'S THE QUESTION. 
          YOU KNOW, ON YOUR PAVING ASSESSMENTS YOU SAY YOU'RE TRACKING THEM. 
          HAVE THEY GOTTEN BETTER? HOW DO WE KNOW, HOW DO WE DO THAT AND HOW OFTEN DO WE DO IT? SO THAT'S THE QUESTION WE'RE GONNA HAVE LATER. 
          BUT I THINK AS A PUBLIC PERSON PAYING NOW CAN BE 10.75% OF SALES TAX ON EVERYTHING I BUY AND 1% GOING TO THIS. 
          I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT MY STREETS AREN'T SO BUMPY ON OCEAN THAT MY LIBRARY, AIR CONDITIONINGS ARE WORKING THE PARKS. 
          I CAN OPEN THE DOOR. 
          THERE'S TIMES I CAN'T, YOU KNOW, THAT POOR DAY'S TRYING TO OPEN THE DOOR AND I'M LIKE, I NOTHING. 
          BUT IT'S SIMPLE THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT ARE, THAT ARE GOING OUT. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE, MAYBE WE CAN TALK, THINK ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE. 
          I WANT TO THINK AND PROCESS IN MY HEAD, BUT UH, I LIKE THE ORIGINAL OF, IF THE SOLE PURPOSE OF THE MEETING IS HAVE A MEETING JUST TO ESTABLISH TWO AD HOC COMMITTEES AND, AND THEN SAY WHAT THE DIRECTION IS AND MAYBE TWO OF US WORK ON ONE THING AND TWO WORK ON ANOTHER THING IN A SPAN OF TWO OR THREE WEEKS AND THEN COME BACK WITH THE LETTER THEN I'M GOOD WITH THAT. 
          BUT, AND I THINK IF WE GIVE IT HERE TO THE MANAGER, 'CAUSE IT'S GOING TO THE MANAGER ANYWAY, WE'RE APPROVING SOMETHING ON MAY 28TH GOING TO THE MANAGER, THE MANAGER AT LEAST HAS 30 PLUS DAYS OF OUR THOUGHTS AND THE MAYOR HAS THEM AS WELL. 
          AND SO THE MANAGER TAKES IT AND GREAT. 
          IF NOT, I I THINK WE CAN CALL THE MAYOR. 
          I HAVE HIS CELL PHONE SO WE CAN CALL THE MAYOR AND SAY, HEY, THE MANAGER DIDN'T TAKE THIS BUT I'D REALLY LIKE YOU TO LOOK AT IT. 
          WE CAN DO THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT'S NOT ILLEGAL. 
          , I DON'T THINK SO. 
          , I CAN'T DO THAT. 
          NO, NO YOU CAN'T. 
          I DON'T, OH, I CAN'T COME TO MY HOUSE. 
          I'M GONNA INVITE HIM TO DINNER. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          BUT UH, I MEAN THAT'S JUST A THOUGHT. 
          SO THAT GIVES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE MANAGER TO ADDRESS THOSE TWO CONCERNS. 
          MAYBE DO SOME FUNDING FOR THE ASSESSMENTS, MAYBE DO, UH, UH, MAKING SURE THAT AT LEAST WE'RE BEING TRANSPARENT ABOUT MEASURE A AND IF HE'S NOT THEN WE CAN TALK TO THE MAYOR. 
          IF NOT, THEN WE GO TALK TO THE COUNCIL. 
          AND THAT GIVES US A TIME THAT THE MAYOR'S RECOMMENDATION'S OUT ON AUGUST 2ND, ON AUGUST 27TH, WE CAN DISCUSS WHETHER YOU WANT TO GO TALK TO THE COUNCIL. 
          AND IF SO, WHAT WOULD WE SAY TO THE COUNCIL SO THAT IT'S PUBLIC AND SOUNDING LIKE NOTHING GETS DONE UNLESS YOU'RE STANDING IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL AND MAKING A VERY CLEAR DIRECTION. 
          THAT ALL LINE OF HEARING. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO I THINK WE CAN MOVE ON. 
          SO I THINK WHERE IT STANDS RIGHT NOW IS WE'RE GONNA TRY TO SCHEDULE ANOTHER MEETING. 
          SO DOES THAT NEED A MOTION? YEAH. 
          CLERK DOES THAT NEED A SEPARATE MOTION FOR DIRECTION TO STAFF TO CHANGE THE, TO ADD A NEW DATE, TO ADD AN APRIL MEETING FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF ESTABLISHING AD HOC COMMITTEES TO REVIEW OUR MEASURE A EXPENDITURES AND A SECOND ONE TO UH, LOOK AT ASSESSMENTS AND HOW TO FUND THAT APPROPRIATELY OR SOMETHING 
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LIKE THAT. 
          THOSE WOULD BE SPECIAL, RIGHT? THOSE WOULD BE AD HOC COMMITTEES, RIGHT? YOU SAID WE COULD HAVE AD HOC TO SET UP THE ADDITIONAL MEETING, THE DIRECTION TO CREATE THE SEPARATE MEETING TO ESTABLISH, UH, SO WE'LL HAVE TO THE DIRECTION TO STOP TO CREATE ANOTHER MEETING OR NO, I THOUGHT TODAY WE WERE GOING TO ESTABLISH THE CALENDAR. 
          SO WE'RE JUST SAYING WE WANT TO ADD AN APRIL CALENDAR DATE OF MAY AND AUGUST AND OCTOBER. 
          SO TODAY WE ARE ESTABLISHING A CALENDAR FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR. 
          SO BASED ON MEMBER HOWARD'S RECOMMENDATION, I'M JUST SAYING WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE ADDING YES, WE'RE AGREEING TO THESE THREE MEETINGS. 
          SO WE'RE SAYING WE WANT AN APRIL MEETING. 
          OKAY. 
          FOR, AND THEN THE INTENT, THE COMMITTEE TOPIC WOULD BE ESTABLISH AD HOC COMMITTEES AND I THINK THAT'S AN AN IMPORTANT POINT THAT WE WOULDN'T BE ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL REPORTS FROM THE STAFF WITH JUST THE TWO, THE TWO ITEMS. SO IT IS, IT IS A LOW, LOW, UM, YOU KNOW, REQUIREMENT, WORK REQUIREMENT FROM THE STAFF. 
          WE WANNA BE COGNIZANT OF THAT. 
          'CAUSE I KNOW YOU GUYS, ALTHOUGH IT BE EASIER TO ESTABLISH THE TWO AD HOC COMMITTEES TODAY,  DO THAT. 
          SO I I YOU KNOW, I THINK WE WANNA BE, WE WANT, WE WANNA BE, YOU KNOW, CONSCIOUS OF YOUR TIME AND, AND THE EXPENSE. 
          SO INTEREST IS TO CREATE CERTAIN SCHEDULE MEETINGS. 
          SO WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHAT THE AGENDA ITEM IS RIGHT NOW. 
          SO IT'S RECEIVE AND FILE. 
          WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT THERE MIGHT BE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO ARTICULATE WHAT THE UPCOMING MEETING DATES ARE. 
          YES. 
          'CAUSE THIS WAS MY DISCUSSION WITH HER. 
          AND SO WE'RE ASKING THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, ADD AN APRIL MEETING WITH THE COMMITTEE TOPIC, ESTABLISHED AD HOC COMMITTEES, TWO COMMITTEES, BUT THAT'S SO BE TWO SEPARATE. 
          I WOULD SAY TWO SEPARATE. 
          TWO OF US WORK NOT FINDING THE TWO WORK ON THE OTHER. 
          THAT WAY WE ALL GET NEW. 
          WE VOLUNTEERED TO DISCUSS JUST RETIRED  CHAIR. 
          YOU WOULD JUST HAVE TO MOVE FOR A FRIENDLY MOTION WHICH AMENDS THE AGENDA ITEM THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. 
          AND SO IT WOULD BE, UM, JUST ADDING ON, UM, AND UPCOMING MEETING IS INCLUDING THE ADDITION OF A, UM, CAC MEETING ON WHATEVER THE DATE IS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHAT I HEARD AND WHAT'S THE DATE? MARCH. 
          SO MEMBER HOWARD HAS OFFERED A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT FOR ANOTHER MEETING FOR THE AD HOC COMMITTEE. 
          SO I'M ACCEPTING HER FRIEND BEING AMENDED. 
          IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? WHAT THE DATE? WE, WE DON'T KNOW. 
          WE'RE SAYING SOMETIMES THE BASED ON THE  A DATE IN APRIL AT THE CONVENIENCE OF THE STAFF. 
          CAN WE SAY THAT? YEAH, THAT'S FINE. 
          MAKE SURE IS PRETTY OPEN. 
          SO WE CAN'T DO IT THE WEEK OF 13TH. 
          THAT'S SPRING BREAK AND THEN THIRD AND FOURTH UNTIL THE 11 TAXES AND YEAH. 
          AND THEN BECAUSE WE'RE HAVING OUR MEETING, OUR NEXT MEETING, SO THAT GIVES US A MONTH. 
          SO LIKE IF THE 23RD WORKS, WORKS FOR ME, I THINK SO WORK FOR STAFF. 
          UM, SO BEGINNING IN ON APRIL 21ST WE BEGIN OUR MEETINGS WITH DEPARTMENTS WITH THE CITY MANAGER. 
          UH, SO OUR CALENDARS ARE JUST ONE OF THE 40 HOURS OF, UM, BUDGET MEETINGS. 
          BY ANY CHANCE, WOULD YOU BE AMENABLE TO THE WEEK OF THE 14TH OF THE 7TH OF APRIL? UM, NOT THE 14TH BECAUSE THAT'S SPRING BREAK. 
          I'M GOING HOW ABOUT IS THE NINTH, DOES IT HAVE TO BE ON A WEDNESDAY OR NO, SO I'M, I'M FREE AND WOULD PROBABLY BE AN AFTERNOON MEETING LIKE THIS. 
          IT COULD BE ANYTIME THAT WORKS FOR YOU ALL IS NOT GOOD FOR ME. 
          SO SEVEN, EIGHT OR NINTH ARE ALL GOOD FOR ME. 
          H IS NOT GOOD FOR ME, BUT SEVENTH IS GOOD FOR ME. 
          SEVENTH, APRIL 7TH. 
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APRIL 7TH. 
          I THINK I SHOULD BE OKAY. 
          YEAH, THE EIGHTH I HAVE, I HAVE AN AFTERNOON MEETING ALREADY. 
          AN EVENING MEETING, BUT I, I'M FREE. 
          I MEAN I COULD DO THE EIGHTH AND THE MORNING OR ANYTIME. 
          ANYTIME ON THE SEVENTH. 
          YOU GUYS AGAINST OUR SEVENTH. 
          I AGREE. 
          UM, THE WEEK, THE 14TH WAS NOT GREAT. 
          OKAY. 
          APRIL 2ND. 
          FOUR. 
          SO YOU SAID ANYTIME ON THE SEVENTH? ANYTIME ON THE SEVENTH. 
          AND, AND YOU'RE GOOD WITH SEVENTH? ANYTIME. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'RE GOOD WITH ANYTIME ON THE SEVENTH. 
          SO DO YOU WANT TO JUST SAY, UH, A ONE 30 MEETING ON THE SEVENTH? PERFECT. 
          IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE 30 MINUTES. 
          YEP, THAT SOUNDS GREAT. 
          OKAY, SO THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT IS FOR APRIL 7TH AT ONE 30 AND THE TOPIC IS TO DISCUSS, ESTABLISH TWO A HOC AT THIS TIME. 
          AND WOULD WE HAVE TO, THE AGENDA WOULD THEN GET RESOLVED THEN. 
          SO LIKE WE WANNA CLARIFY AGENDA. 
          SO LIKE RIGHT THERE YOU'RE PUTTING THE TOPICS ON THE 28TH, IF WE WANNA SAY REVIEW AND APPROVE A LETTER, WE WOULD NOT WORRY ABOUT THAT UNTIL BEFORE OR TO ESTABLISH A AGENDA, CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I DON'T EVEN TO WORRY ABOUT AGENDA BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS, ALL RIGHT. 
          SO DO I NEED TO, WE NEED TO VOTE. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO DO WE NEED A SECOND TO THE MOTION? I BELIEVE THE CHAIR SECONDED. 
          SECOND CHAIR. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU SECONDED. 
          SO WE, WE HAVE A FIRST AND THE SECOND AND WE'RE JUST GOING TO AMEND THE MOTION THAT WILL REFLECT IN THE MINUTES. 
          AND NOW WE'RE VOTING ON THE ORIGINAL MOTION WITH THE, INCLUDING THE AMENDED MOTION. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO, SO WE JUST HAVE TO TAKE A VOTE AND TO CLARIFY, THE MOTION WAS TO RECEIVE THE STAFF REPORT WHICH ESTABLISH THESE DATES AND SO WE'VE JUST AMENDED IT TO ADD THAT OTHER ONE. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DO YOU WANT READ THAT? YOU UNDERSTAND IT? YEAH. 
          SO IF, DO YOU WANNA READ IT? UM, SO, SO WE'RE JUST ADDING THE MOTION IS GOING TO BE JUST TO, IT IS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO UM, HAVE A MEETING ON APRIL 7TH AT ONE 30 TO DISCUSS ADDING TWO AD HOC COMMITTEES IN ADDITION TO THE RECOMMENDATION. 
          PERFECT. 
          IN ADDITION TO THE ORIGINAL? YES. 
          YES. 
          IT'S JUST AN AMENDED MOTION IN ADDITION TO THAT. 
          IS THAT ACCURATE? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO CLERK, CLERK PLEASE CALL FOR THE VOTE. 
          OKAY. 
          MEMBER OCHOA. 
          YES. 
          MEMBER HOWARD. 
          YES. 
          VICE CHAIR AMY? YES. 
          CHAIR CRUZ? YES. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          UH, CLERK PLEASE READ THE NEXT ITEM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ITEM FIVE IS A RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE A PRESENTATION FROM THE FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT REGARDING MEASURE A BONDS. 
          OH, I AM SORRY. 
          UH, CAN I GET A MOTION ON THIS ITEM? MOTION SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          THE, IT HAS BEEN MOVED BY MEMBER OCHOA AND SECONDED BY MEMBER AMY. 
          UM, STAFF IS A REPORT OR PRESENTATION FOR THIS ITEM? YES IT IS. 
          YES THERE IS. 
          AND I HAVE MY FRIEND HAVING HERE TO HELP THIS. 
          ONCE AGAIN, KEVIN, DIRECTOR OF FINANCIAL MANAGER. 
          SO, UH, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT FINANCING PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE WITH MUNICIPAL BONDS SLIDE. 
          I'VE GOT FIVE TOPICS TO COVER ONLY A DOZEN SUBSTANTIVE SLIDES. 
          UM, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE VARIOUS FINANCING OPTIONS FOR MUNICIPAL INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          I'M GOING TO DESCRIBE THE ADVANTAGES OF EACH OPTION. 
          UH, I'M GONNA MENTION EQUITY CONSIDERATIONS THAT ENTER INTO THE POLICY DECISION OF WHETHER THEY'RE OF HOW TO FINANCE, UM, MUNICIPAL INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          UM, I WILL GIVE A STAFF PREFERRED OPTION AND THE REASONS THEREFORE, AND FINALLY, I WILL, UM, KIND OF GIVE A GENERAL PERSPECTIVE ON WHAT AN ADVOCATE MIGHT THINK. 
          EITHER AN ADVOCATE FOR INFRASTRUCTURE OR AN ADVOCATE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. 
          UM, THAT'S WHAT WE'LL CONCLUDE WITH. 
          NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          SO THERE ARE THREE OPTIONS FOR FINANCING PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          THEY MIGHT SEEM OBVIOUS, BUT WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH EACH ONE. 
          UH, THE BEST ONES GET SOMEONE ELSE TO PAY, PAY CASH 
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IS THE STANDARD APPROACH. 
          AND FINALLY, MUNICIPALITIES CAN BORROW FOR CAPITAL INFRASTRUCTURE AND THEN PAY OVER TIME. 
          AND SO LET'S EXPLORE EACH OF THOSE THREE OPTIONS, UH, IN SEQUENCE. 
          NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          SO, UH, THE OBVIOUS, THE ADVANTAGES OF GETTING SOMEONE ELSE TO PAY, UM, AND OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, AS YOU'LL SEE IN A SLIDE SHORTLY, IS EXTREMELY GOOD. 
          ALONG WITH OUR, OUR GRANTS COLLABORATIVE AND CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND PERMISSION FROM CITY COUNCIL TO SEEK GRANTS, OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT IS EXTREMELY GOOD AT SECURING FEDERAL GRANTS, TAKING SENATE BILL ONE MONEY FROM FROM THE STATE FOR TRANSPORTATION RELATED INFRASTRUCTURES. 
          THERE ARE LA COUNTY TRANSPORTATION FUNDS, ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT THAT CONTRIBUTE FUNDS THAT ARE SPENT BY PUBLIC WORKS ON CAPITAL INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, HERE IN THE CITY. 
          UM, AND IN, IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS. 
          I'M GONNA SHOW YOU A GRAPH IN A SECOND. 
          LET ME SET IT UP. 
          NA, THAT IS AN AMAZING RAMP UP OF EXPENDITURES BY OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT ON CAPITAL INFRASTRUCTURE CITYWIDE, OF WHICH AS WAS DESCRIBED EARLIER, MEASURE A IS A SIGNIFICANT PART, NOT NEARLY THE MAJORITY, BUT A SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTOR. 
          NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          NADER. 
          SO THIS IS CAPITAL PROJECTS FUND EXPENDITURES ON CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT CITYWIDE. 
          THIS IS THE MAIN FUND, THIS ISN'T THE GENERAL FUND. 
          THIS IS THE GENERAL CAPITAL PROJECTS FUND GROUP. 
          AND THIS IS THE MAIN FUND THAT HOLD THAT, UM, BRINGS IN MONEY INCLUDING FROM MEASURE A AND ALL THOSE SORTS I MENTIONED ON THE LAST SLIDE, AND THEN IS SPENT ON CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND COMPARED WITH PRE PANDEMIC, YOU CAN SEE IN THE, IN THE, IN, UH, FY 17 AND FY 18 AS THE INITIAL MEASURE A WAS JUST GETTING GOING LESS THAN $50 MILLION A YEAR. 
          THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT FROM PRE PANDEMIC TO LAST FISCAL YEAR HAS WELL OVER DOUBLED THE AMOUNT THAT THEY'RE SPENDING CITYWIDE ON CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. 
          AND LOOK AT FY 22 TO FY 24 90 1 MILLION SPENT CITYWIDE ON CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS THROUGHOUT THE, THE CITY, UH, IN FY 22 AND 88% MORE THAN THAT IN FY TWENTY FOUR, A HUNDRED SEVENTY ONE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS. 
          AND ON THE SIDE I KEEP SENDING EMAILS TO THE, UH, CITY MANAGER AND THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR COMPLIMENTING THEM ON THIS RAMP UP. 
          I'VE PAID OVER 35 YEARS IN SEVEN CITIES WHERE I EITHER WAS THE FINANCE DIRECTOR OR A SUPERVISOR, FINANCE DIRECTOR. 
          I NEVER SAW ANYTHING LIKE THIS. 
          THIS IS A REMARKABLE INCREASE IN CAPITAL EXPENDITURES. 
          UM, SO THAT'S JUST A LITTLE CONTEXT SETTING FOR WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING. 
          AND OF COURSE, MEASURE A HAS CONTRIBUTED TO THAT AND WILL CONTRIBUTE TO THAT GOING FORWARD. 
          NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          NOW LET'S TALK ABOUT THE ADVANTAGES OF PAYING CASH. 
          IT'S ALSO KNOWN AS PAYDO OR PAY AS YOU GO. 
          YOU MAY HAVE HEARD THAT CONCEPT IN, UM, IN OTHER CONTEXTS. 
          AND, UH, FOR FOR CITIES, FOR CITY COUNCILS, AND FOR CITY MANAGERS. 
          AND ADVANTAGE OF PAYING CASH FOR ALL CAPITAL PROJECTS IS IT GIVES MAXIMUM BUDGETARY FLEXIBILITY. 
          'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT LOCKED IN TO FIXED DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS EACH YEAR, WHICH YOU ARE WITH. 
          YOU ISSUE BONDS AND MUNICIPALITY ISSUES, BONDS. 
          UM, A SECOND ADVANTAGE IS THERE AREN'T ANY CONSTRAINTS LIKE THE, UH, ON SPENDING CASH. 
          WE WILL TALK, I WILL TALK ABOUT IRS CONSTRAINTS AND SPENDING TAX EXEMPT BOND PROCEEDS. 
          WE'LL GET TO THAT. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE, THAT, THOSE ARE THE TWO MAIN ADVANTAGES OF PAYING CASH. 
          NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          NOW, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE ADVANTAGES OF BORROWING AND PAYING OVER TIME, WHICH IS A SIMPLIFIED WORDS, A SIMPLIFIED WAY OF SAYING ISSUING MUNICIPAL BONDS, ISSUING LONG TERM BONDS, AND THEN TAKING THE BOND PROCEEDS AND SPENDING ON CAPITAL PROJECTS. 
          UH, THE FIRST ONE IS THAT THE INTEREST RATE ON TAX EXEMPT MUNICIPAL BONDS IS THE LOWEST COST OF CAPITAL FOR ANY BORROW BECAUSE IT'S EXEMPT FROM FEDERAL INTEREST ON MUNICIPAL BONDS IS EXEMPT FROM FEDERAL AND STATE INCOME TAX. 
          SO THIS IS A FAMOUS MUNICIPAL BOND TAX EXEMPTION THAT WE'RE CONCERN ABOUT. 
          AND SO IT MAKES IT VERY INEXPENSIVE COMPARED THAN ANYBODY ELSE TO BORROW, UM, TO ISSUE DEBT AND BORROW FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. 
          A SECOND ADVANTAGE OF BORROWING AND PAYING OVER TIME IS THAT WHEN YOU HAVE THE BOND PROCEEDS IN HAND UP FRONT, THE PROJECTS THAT THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO BUILD CAN BE UNDERTAKEN SOONER. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL YOU'VE BUILT UP ENOUGH CASH OVER TIME, KEPT IT IN THE BANK ALL THOSE YEARS, AND THEN SUDDENLY YOU HAVE ENOUGH CASH TO GO AHEAD AND BUILD THE PROJECT. 
          AND, AND THERE'S A, THERE'S A, UM, ARBITRAGE 
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PLAY THERE OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS. 
          THE SUB UNDER NUMBER TWO OVER THE, UM, UH, EXCUSE ME, BULLET NUMBER THREE. 
          HAVING THE BOND PROCEEDS IN HAND UPFRONT TO START CAPITAL PROJECTS MEANS YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT CONSTRUCTION COSTS. 
          INFLATION OUTSTRIPPING YOUR CASH. 
          OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS, CONSTRUCTION COSTS HAVE GROWN MORE RAPIDLY THAN INTEREST RATES THAT OUR CITY TREASURER CAN EARN ON THE IDLE CASH. 
          SO IF, IF YOU, WE AS A CITY JUST DO PAY AS YOU GO, THE CASH GETS PUT INTO THE CITY TREASURER'S POOL, WHICH IS ALSO PART OF THE FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT. 
          BUT THE CITY TREASURER CAN ONLY INVEST IN VERY SAFE SECURITIES ONLY FIVE YEARS OUT. 
          SO WE DON'T EARN VERY MUCH. 
          WE DON'T EARN VERY HIGH INTEREST RATE ON ILE CASH. 
          MEANWHILE, CONSTRUCTION COSTS ARE MERELY INCREASING RAPIDLY AND YOU ACTUALLY FALL BEHIND AS YOU, AS YOU BUILD CASH. 
          'CAUSE YOU CAN'T EARN AS MUCH ON THE ILE CASH AS THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS OF THE PROJECTS GROW. 
          SO THERE'S AN ARBITRAGE PLAY IN AVOIDING THAT SCENARIO OF PAY AS YOU GO AND ISSUING BONDS INSTEAD. 
          UH, A FOURTH ADVANTAGE OF BORROWING AND PAYING OVER TIME IS THAT IT PROMOTES WHAT ECONOMISTS LIKE ME LIKE TO CALL INTERGENERATIONAL EQUITY. 
          AND THE NEXT SLIDE IS DEVOTED TO THAT CONCEPT, INTERGENERATIONAL EQUITY NATIVE. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          UM, AS ITS NAME IMPLIES, INTERGENERATIONAL EQUITY IS THE NOTION OF FAIRNESS BETWEEN DIFFERENT GENERATIONS OF TAXPAYERS, RIGHT? WE'RE IN IT FOR THE LONG HAUL AS A CITY. 
          AND THESE ASSETS, THESE CAPITAL ASSETS THAT PUBLIC WORKS IS BUILDING OR RECONSTRUCTING LAST FOR A REALLY LONG TIME. 
          SO WHEN YOU ISSUE BONDS TO PAY FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS, YOU PAY THEM OFF. 
          JUST LIKE WITH YOUR PERSONAL HOME MORTGAGE, WITH AN ANNUAL PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST PAYMENT EACH YEAR, NO MORTGAGE EACH MONTH, BUT WE MUNICIPAL BOND WILL WE PAY EACH YEAR. 
          AND SO VIA SPENDING VIA TAXPAYER SPENDING, UM, ONGOING REGULAR TAX REVENUE MONEY EACH YEAR ON DEBT SERVICE, YOU SPREAD OUT THE COST OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, THE CAPITAL PROJECT OVER MULTIPLE GENERATIONS OF TAXPAYERS. 
          WE ISSUED 30 YEAR DEBT, 30 YEARS WORTH OF TAXPAYERS PAY FOR THE ASSET. 
          AND THAT'S FAIR BECAUSE OF THE THIRD BULLET. 
          YOU WITH DEBT SERVICE ON BONDS, YOU MATCH THE COST OF, OF CAPITAL ASSET WITH THE USERS WHO ARE BENEFITING FROM THAT ASSET. 
          IF YOU DON'T DO THAT, IF YOU PAY CASH, THEN YOU GET TO THE FOURTH BULLET INTERGENERATIONAL EQUITY PROBLEM, ESPECIALLY FOR STREETS AND ROADS AND BRIDGES. 
          IF YOU PAY AS YOU GO, THEN THE CURRENT GENERATION OF TAX PAYERS PAYS THE WHOLE FREIGHT FOR A NEW STREET OR A NEW BRIDGE OR A NEW ROAD. 
          AND THEN I LIKE TO SAY THAT LITERALLY GIVES FUTURE GENERATIONS TAXPAYERS A FREE RIDE. 
          YOU BURDEN THE EXISTING TAXPAYER BASE AND GIVEN A FREE RIDE TO FUTURE TAXPAYERS AND A, A CENTURY AND A QUARTER OF ECONOMICS AND PUBLIC FINANCE IN THIS COUNTRY HAVE ARGUED FOR ISSUING ADMISSIBLE DEBT IN ORDER TO PAY FOR CAPITAL ASSETS. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          THIS IS THE SAME SLIDE AS TWO BEFORE, BUT I'VE ADDED A FIFTH BULLET DOWN TO THE BOTTOM. 
          THERE'S ALSO AN ISSUE OF SOCIOECONOMIC EQUITY, EQUITY ISSUING BONDS. 
          UM, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          WHEN YOU'RE A FAMILY, LET'S CONSIDER OUR PERSONAL LIVES. 
          WHEN YOU'RE A FAMILY, MAYBE YOU LIKE TO AVOID DEBT AND NOT PASS ON TO YOUR CHILDREN AND YOUR GRANDCHILDREN INHERITED DEBT. 
          BUT A CITY IS NOT A FAMILY. 
          THE CITY HAS PEOPLE MOVING IN AND OUT ALL THE TIME. 
          IT'S NOT A STATIC GROUP OF, OF, OF RESIDENTS, UH, AND OF CONSTITUENTS. 
          SO WITH PEOPLE MOVING IN AND OUT OF THE CITY ALL THE TIME, IF YOU PAY, IF YOU DO PAY TO GO CASH FOR A BIG NEW BRIDGE AND CURRENT TAXPAYERS PAY ALL THAT, UH, ESPECIALLY LOW INCOME TAXPAYERS, AND THEN THEY MOVE OUT A YEAR OR TWO LATER, UH, OR DIE FIVE OR 10 YEARS LATER, THOSE LOWER ECONOMIC STRATOS STATS WAS STRATA. 
          TAXPAYERS HAVE PAID FOR ASSETS THAT WILL BE USED BY FOLKS WHO HAVEN'T EVEN MOVED INTO LONG BEACH YET. 
          AND SOME OF THEM ARE HIGHER INCOME TAXPAYERS. 
          SO SOCIOECONOMICALLY, WHEN WHEN A CITY PAYS CASH, IT'S BURDENING LOWER ECONOMIC, UM, TAXPAYERS FOR THE BENEFIT OF HIGHER ECONOMIC STATUS. 
          TAXPAYERS WHO HAVEN'T EVEN MOVED IN YET. 
          SO, SOCIOECONOMIC EQUITY, ALSO LIKE INTERGENERATIONAL EQUITY, ARGUES FOR SPREADING THE COSTS OF CAPITAL ASSETS OUT OVER TIME BY SELLING BONDS AND PAYING ANNUAL 
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DEBT SERVICES EACH YEAR. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          PLEASE. 
          PREFERRED OPTION FROM YOUR ECONOMIST FINANCE DIRECTOR. 
          A COMBINATION OF GET SOMEONE ELSE TO PAY AND BORROW AND PAY OVER TIME TO GET SOMEONE ELSE TO PAY IS, UH, AND CAN WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE? TO GET SOMEONE ELSE TO PAY PORTION OF THE PREFERRED OPTION FROM ME AS A FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR IS THAT MUNICIPAL BOND TAX EXEMPTION THAT GIVES US A LOWER INTEREST RATE. 
          WELL, THAT'S ESSENTIALLY PAID FOR BY ALL US TAX PAYERS AND ALL CALIFORNIA TAX PAYERS. 
          'CAUSE THE INTEREST THAT'S EARNED ON MUNICIPAL BONDS IS EXEMPT FROM FEDERAL TAXATION AND STATE TAXATION. 
          SO IN AN INDIRECT WAY, WHEN WE SELL TAX EXEMPT MUNICIPAL BONDS TO FINANCE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, ALL US AND ALL CALIFORNIA TAX PAYERS ARE SUBSIDIZING LONG BEACH CAPITAL PAYERS. 
          AND BY THE WAY, WITH OTHER MUNICIPALITIES IN THE COUNTRY. 
          AND THE SAME THING THE OTHER WAY. 
          SO WHY SHOULDN'T WE GET OURS BY ISSUING TAX EXEMPT BONDS INSTEAD OF HOARDING CASH UNTIL THERE'S ENOUGH TO PAY FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS? NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          UM, ALL THE REASONS THAT I MENTIONED BEFORE. 
          SO THE, THE LOWER TAX EXEMPT INTEREST RATE, THAT'S ATTRACTIVE. 
          YOU GET PROJECTS BUILT SOONER, THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T HAVE TO WAIT. 
          UM, YOU BEAT CONSTRUCTION COST INFLATION, AND I'VE TALKED AT SOME LENGTH ABOUT INTER INTERGENERATIONAL EQUITY AND SOCIO ECONOMIC EQUITY. 
          SO WHERE DOES THIS LEAVE POLICY ADVOCATES? NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          NA, WHETHER YOU'RE AN ADVOCATE, IF YOU'RE AN ADVOCATE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY WITH MEASURE A, LET'S BRING THIS RIGHT DOWN TO MEASURE A. 
          IF YOU'RE AN ADVOCATE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY FOR MEASURE A, YOU SHOULD BE ARGUING FOR PAY AS YOU GO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS BECAUSE THERE'S MAXIMUM BUDGETARY FLEXIBILITY, MEANING MORE MEASURE A CAN BE DEVOTED TO PUBLIC SAFETY, TO ONGOING EXISTING ONGOING SERVICES. 
          YOU CAN'T BOND FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, RIGHT? YOU CAN'T BOND, YOU CAN'T ISSUE DEBT FOR POLICE OFFICERS AND FIREFIGHTERS. 
          CONVERSELY, IF YOU'RE AT THE OTHER END OF THE MEASURE A SPECTRUM AND YOU'RE AN ADVOCATE FOR INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU SHOULD BE ADVOCATING TO ISSUE DEBT TO PAY FOR THAT INTR INFRASTRUCTURE, NOT JUST FOR THE REASONS I GAVE ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDES, BUT THERE'S ALSO, UM, TWO TECHNICAL ONES AND THEY'RE REALLY IMPORTANT. 
          WHEN MUNICIPALITIES ISSUE TAX EXEMPT DEBT, THERE ARE IRS RULES THAT SAY YOU HAVE TO SPEND 85% OF THE BOND PROCEEDS WITHIN THE FIRST THREE YEARS, AND YOU GOTTA SPEND ALL OF 'EM WITHIN THE FIRST FIVE YEARS. 
          OTHERWISE, YOU RISK SEVERE PENALTIES FROM THE IRS FOR SITTING ON IDLE BOND PROCEEDS. 
          WELL, OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT PART OF THAT RAMP UP, THEY ARE, THEY'RE BOOMING IN SPENDING THE BOND PROCEEDS. 
          WE BROUGHT 60 AND A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS IN THE SPRING OF 2023 BACKED BY MEASURE A, UM, REVENUE BACKED BY THE POOL GENERAL FUND. 
          MEASURE A IS PAYING THE $3.7 MILLION ANNUAL OF DEBT SERVICE ON THAT 60 QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS. 
          AND SO I MADE THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT SIGN. 
          REMEMBER JONATHAN, REMEMBER THE BLOOD OATH ? OH YES, , I MADE A SIGN OF BLOOD OATH, BUT THEY WOULD SPEND 85% OF THE BOND PROCEEDS WITHIN THREE YEARS AND A HUNDRED PERCENT IN FIVE YEARS. 
          OTHERWISE, THERE'S THAT RISK OF BIG IRS PENALTIES. 
          WELL, WE'RE NOT EVEN TWO YEARS IN SINCE THE BOND ISSUANCE, RIGHT? WE CLOSED IN MAY OF 2023 AND HERE IN MARCH OF 2025, THEY'VE ALREADY SPENT 65% OF THE BOND PROCEEDS THEY MIGHT GET AT THEIR CURRENT CASE TO A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE BOND PROCEEDS SPENT WITHIN THREE YEARS. 
          AND THEY HAVE FIVE, AND THEY'RE EASILY GONNA SURPASS THE 85%. 
          SO WHAT ARE THE IMPLICATIONS FOR AN ADVOCATE FOR INFRASTRUCTURE? BOND FINANCE PROJECTS TEND TO JUMP TO THE HEAD OF THE LINE, IS THEY, THE PROCEEDS HAVE TO BE SPENT QUICKLY. 
          SECOND THING, ONCE YOU SELL BONDS, THAT DEBT SERVICE IS A 30 YEAR CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION BETWEEN THE CITY AND BOND HOLDERS. 
          IF THE CITY DEFAULTS ON THOSE BONDS, WELL, THAT'LL BE THE LAST TIME WE WERE IN THE CAPITAL MARKETS FOR 6, 7, 8 YEARS. 
          I THINK IT TOOK IN 1994 WHEN ORANGE COUNTY WENT BANKRUPT. 
          I THINK THEY WERE OUT OF THE CAPITAL MARKETS FOR SEVEN OR EIGHT YEARS. 
          THEN THEY ACCOUNTING YOU CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHAT BE HERE. 
          SO WHEN YOU ISSUE DEBT SERVICE AND THEN PLEDGE SOME OF MEASURE A TO PAY FOR THAT DEBT SERVICE, THAT'S A CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION THAT IS LEGALLY COMMITTED TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE END OF THE SPECTRUM OF POTENTIAL USES OF MEASURE A. 
          SO YOU LOCK IN AND PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT'S ALL IN ON ING FUNDS. 
          WOULD THAT BE A FAIR ASSESSMENT, JONATHAN? ALL YEAH. 
          ALL IN BECAUSE THEY GET THE MONEY SOONER AND THEY KNOW THAT THE BOND PROCEEDS CAN ONLY BE SPENT FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS. 
          AND THEY KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA DEFAULT ON THOSE BONDS BECAUSE MEASURE A IS PLEDGED TO PAY THAT DEBT SERVICE. 
          NOW I GO. 
          SO TO ME IT IS ONE AND THREE, UH, OF THE OPTIONS OF THE EVENT TO GET SOMEONE ELSE 
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TO PAY THROUGH THE INTEREST RATE SUBSIDY AND, UM, BORROW AND PAY OVER TIME FOR ALL THOSE OTHER REASONS I GAVE. 
          THE ONLY DOWNSIDE IS THERE'S A LITTLE LESS FLEXIBILITY, RIGHT? WE'RE TAKING 3.7 MILLION OUT OF THE 65, UM, MILLION DOLLARS OF ANNUAL REVENUE. 
          THERE'S A LITTLE LESS FLEXIBILITY IN THE WHOLE MEASURE, A SPECTRUM OF, OF SPENDING THE $65 MILLION. 
          AND THEN THIS ARGUMENT. 
          SO THIS ARGUMENT APPLIES TO WHAT WE SOLD IN THE SPRING OF 2023, AND OUR NEXT BOND ISSUE SLATED TO BE ANOTHER 67, 60 $8 MILLION OF MEASURING INFRASTRUCTURE ABOUT A YEAR FROM NOW, UH, WOULD BE ANOTHER AT CURRENT INTEREST RATES. 
          THAT'D BE ANOTHER 4.1 MILLION OF ANNUAL MEASURE. 
          A MONEY COMMITTED FOR 30 YEARS TO PAY DEBT SERVICE AT CURRENT INTEREST RATES. 
          SO WE, THE, THE CURRENT THINKING IS AS, AS BLESSED CONCEPTUALLY BY CITY COUNCIL A COUPLE YEARS AGO. 
          CURRENT THINKING IS ANOTHER BOND ISSUE, UNLIKE THE LAST ONE, ABOUT A YEAR FROM NOW. 
          LAST SLIDE. 
          AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION CHAIR, CLERK, PLEASE CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS FROM THIS. 
          IF ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. 
          NOW, COMMENT CHAIR MEMBERS. 
          IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? YES. 
          LOTS OF QUESTIONS. 
          GOOD, MEMBER HOWARD, I'M READY FOR YOU ASKING. 
          THAT'S TRUE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, FIRST IS A COMMENT, UM, ON YOUR SLIDE, THE PAY AS YOU GO SLIDE MM-HMM . 
          UM, I WILL SAY ON THE CASH, THE CASH OPTION MM-HMM . 
          THAT IS THE MOST CONSERVATIVE OPTION. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND, AND YOU KNOW, IN EVERY ACCOUNTING PROCESS, WE ALWAYS WANNA DO, WE ALWAYS WANT TO BE CONSERVATIVE BECAUSE AS, AS HAPPENS, THAT'S, AND AND MANAGERS, THAT'S WHAT WHAT FINANCIAL PEOPLE DO IS THEY ALWAYS WANT TO BE CONSERVATIVE. 
          SO I I'M NOT RECOMMENDING THAT WE DO, I'M JUST SAYING, I'M JUST POINTING OUT THAT YOU, YOU DID NOT INCLUDE THE, THE COMMENT THAT IT WAS A CONSERVATIVE OPTION. 
          UM, MY NEXT ONE IS, UM, ON THE NEXT SLIDE, THE ADVANTAGE OF ENVIRONMENT PAIN OVER TIME. 
          OKAY? PROJECTS CAN BE COMPLETED BEFORE CONSTRUCTION COSTS RISE TOO HIGH, TOO FAST. 
          AND THIS ALMOST, UM, THIS KIND OF GOES INTO THE SAME INTO THE IRS REGULATIONS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO OF THE $60 MILLION NOW THAT IS 65% SPENT AFTER TWO YEARS, THERE'S ALSO A HOLDING COST IN THERE, AND CONSTRUCTION COSTS HAVE ALSO INCREASED OVER THAT TIME. 
          SO, UM, I MEAN, DO YOU CALCULATE THAT EROSION OF THE SPENDING POWER? UH, WE DON'T CALCULATE IT. 
          WE LIVE WITH IT, BUT, UM, THE UNSPENT BOND PROCEEDS DO EARN INTEREST AND THAT INTEREST GETS PLOWED BACK INTO WHAT IS SPENT BY PUBLIC WORKS. 
          SO YEAH, THEY DIDN'T SPEND ALL $60.25 MILLION ON THE FIRST DAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT NOT, NO, NO. 
          UH, BUT YEAH, WE, YEAH, YOUR QUESTION IS, IT'S A FAIR AMOUNT. 
          WE, WE DID NOT CALCULATE THE EROSION THAT, BUT MY ARGUMENT IS THE EROSION IS A LOT LESS. 
          THE FASTER YOU SPEND IT, THE FASTER YOU SPEND IT, THE FACT YOU SPEND IT AND THE FASTER YOU GET THE PROJECTS DONE. 
          BUT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THAT SAME EROSION THAT YOU WOULD HAVE IN A CASH BASE AT WITH THE BONDS BECAUSE YOU'D BE HOLDING THAT MONEY. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND, AND, AND THE COST WILL STILL BE RISING. 
          HAVING THE BOND PROCEEDS DOESN'T MAKE THE COSTS STOP RISING. 
          IT DOESN'T MAKE THEM GO AWAY. 
          THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT, YEAH. 
          UM, ANOTHER REASON THAT YOU, THAT YOU PUT DIDN'T PUT ON HERE THAT I THOUGHT MAYBE WAS AN IMPORTANT REASON TO ARTICULATE IS THAT THERE IS SO MUCH PRESSING NEED AND THAT THAT ISN'T, AND, UM, AND I THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT, UH, AN IMPORTANT POINT THAT, THAT I WOULD AS A, I WOULD WANNA SAY TO THE PUBLIC THAT THAT IT IS THE NEED IS SUPPRESSING THE, WE ALSO WANT TO GET IT DONE. 
          UM, LET'S SEE, I GOT ANOTHER OTHER QUESTION IN HERE. 
          OKAY, SO $3.5 MILLION A YEAR IN INTEREST AND THEN, AND PRINCIPAL, IT'S LIKE YOUR MORTGAGE PAYMENT. 
          OKAY? RIGHT? YEAH. 
          ANNUAL, WELL, EXCEPT REALLY DOESN'T REALLY MATTER THAT IT'S INTEREST IN PRINCIPAL'S STILL TAKING UP MEASURE A FUNDS. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN $4.1 MILLION IN ADDITION. 
          SO NOW WE'RE AT 7.7 $0.66 MILLION A YEAR AFTER. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN THERE'S MORE BOND MEASURES STILL CONTEMPLATED THE COUNCIL UPON STAFF RECOMMENDATION COUNCIL CONTEMPLATED A THIRD AMOUNT FOR ANOTHER $50 MILLION TWO YEARS AFTER THE NEXT ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT'S 1 MILLION, ANOTHER FOURISH MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR. 
          ADD 50. 
          THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE 
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LOW THREES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO NOW WE'RE AT $10 MILLION A YEAR OUT OF THE 60 ISH MILLION DOLLARS. 
          WELL, IT'S 68 NOW, BUT IT'LL BE A HUNDRED QUESTION ABOUT THAT. 
          IT'LL BE ALLOWED THAT THAT'S TRUE LABOR. 
          UM, SO, OKAY, SO, ALL RIGHT. 
          I WAS THINKING THAT AT SOME POINT, THE COST OF THE PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST WE FUND TO OVERTAKE THE, THE MEASURE A FUNDS, BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT GOING TO, OKAY. 
          BUT IT'S STILL 10 MILLION, BUT IT'S STILL ERODING THE SPENDING POWER OF THE MEASURE A FUNDS, I WOULD ARGUE AGAINST THAT. 
          IT IS ERODING THE CA THE PAY AS YOU GO FOR YES, IT'S LOCKING IT UP. 
          IT'S COMMITTING IT TO INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IT CAN'T BE USED FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. 
          I CALL ON THE, THE WORKS DEPARTMENT'S EVIDENCE. 
          JOHN, SORRY, JUST, I JUST WANT TO ILLUSTRATE THIS POINT. 
          SO, UH, SPECIFICALLY IF WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT A PROJECT, SO FIRE STATION NINE, UH, TO REBUILD FIRE STATION NINE, WE HAD A $22 MILLION DEFICIT IN THE FUNDING. 
          SO WE MEASURE A BOND FUNDING CONTRIBUTED TO THAT $22 MILLION DEFICIT, AND WE WERE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT. 
          THAT PROJECT'S CURRENTLY IN THE CONSTRUCTION, THE ANNUAL AMOUNT THAT WE HISTORICALLY NOT BOND, BUT JUST MEASURE A STRAIGHT THAT WE ALLOCATE TO PUBLIC FACILITIES EVERY YEAR ONLY EQUALS THREE TO $4 MILLION TOTAL FOR THE ENTIRE PUBLIC FACILITIES IN THE ENTIRE CITY. 
          SO IT WOULD TAKE SIX YEARS IF WE INVESTED IN NOTHING ELSE, RIGHT. 
          AND WE JUST TOOK THAT THREE, $4 MILLION AND PUT IT IN FIRE STATION NINE. 
          MEANWHILE, THE COST TO BUILD FIRE STATION NINE IN THOSE SIX YEARS, WE WOULD, LIKE KEVIN WAS SAYING, WE WOULD THEN GET TO A POINT WHERE WE GO, OKAY, NOW WE'RE READY TO FULLY FUND IT. 
          WE'VE ACCUMULATED THE 22 MILLION, BUT THEN WE GO OUT TO BID, AND NOW IT'S, NO, IT'S HIGH. 
          I MEAN, WE'RE LOOKING AT LIKE, YEAH, MARILYN'S THERE, SHE'S THE PROJECT MANAGER. 
          WE'D BE LOOKING AT A $40 MILLION FACILITY, WHICH THEN WE'D HAVE TO SAY, OKAY, NOW WE GOTTA WAIT 10 MORE YEARS TO ACCUMULATE. 
          MEANWHILE, WE'RE NOT INVESTING IN ANYTHING, RIGHT? WE'RE JUST PUTTING THE FUNDS INTO THESE HOLDING ACCOUNTS. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S A DEMONSTRATION OF INSTEAD OF WAITING 15, 20 YEARS TO ACCUMULATE FUNDING TO FUND A PROJECT, WE'RE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A BOND THAT FULLY FUNDS THE PROJECT, WHICH IS PAID OFF OVER 30 YEARS, WHICH IS ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF TIME IT WOULD TAKE TO ACCUMULATE THAT. 
          SO, SO IN, IN THE MEASURE A BUDGET THEN THAT, THAT INTEREST IN PRINCIPLE IS THAT BEING ALLOCATED AS PART OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE PORTION OF THE BUDGET? I'LL LET NEITHER ANSWER. 
          YEAH. 
          SO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? YEAH. 
          AS FAR AS CATEGORIES, I MEAN, IT COULD BE INTERPRETED DIFFERENTLY TO SAY, HOW WOULD YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THE DEBT SERVICE VERSUS PROCEEDS. 
          UM, IN OUR NEXT PRESENTATION, WE'LL HAVE AN OVERVIEW OF HOW THE CATEGORIES LOOK. 
          AND JUST TO GIVE YOU A QUICK PREVIEW, WE LOOK AT THE DEBT SERVICE SEPARATE. 
          SO DEBT SERVICE IS GONNA BE ITS OWN OTHER CATEGORY. 
          SO WE CAN SEE WHAT IT'S GONNA BE PAYING OUT YEARS, BUT WE SEE THE PROCEEDS AS INFRASTRUCTURE, WE CAN SEE THE INVESTMENT INTO TRUCTURE. 
          AND, AND THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          I THINK, I DON'T KNOW, BEFORE I COMMENT, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OTHER PEOPLE GET TO SPEAK OR HAVE, IF THEY HAVE ANY OTHER THOUGHTS, DO THAT, THAT WAS, YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT I THINK THAT I, I'M, THAT'S AN INCOMPLETE THOUGHT AS OF NOW. 
          MAYBE WE'LL GO BACK TO IT. 
          AND, AND YOU'RE, I, I'M, I'M IN LINE WITH WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THIS. 
          OKAY. 
          I WANT FURTHER, UH, ICHO ASK QUESTION PRESENTATION. 
          UM, SO WHEN WE HAD THE CONVERSATION ABOUT HAVING BONDS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I, I WAS HOPING TO SEE WAS AN UNDERSTANDING OR JUST STRAIGHT TALK, THE AMOUNT OF BONDS IN THE YEARS, AND I THINK YOU'VE KIND OF MENTIONED IT, IT'S NOT ON THE SLIDE, BUT YOU'VE MENTIONED IT VERBALLY. 
          AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE WAS AUTHORIZATION FOR 60.25 MILLION OVER A 30 YEAR SCHEDULE THAT RIGHT NOW YOU'RE SAYING IS TAKING ABOUT 3.5 MILLION A YEAR TO PAY FOR THE NEXT 30 YEARS. 
          THEN YOU'RE SAYING THAT THERE'S ANOTHER, AND THIS IS WHAT I THINK I UNDERSTOOD, A 67, 60 8 MILLION NEXT YEAR THAT'S GONNA BE DONE, WHICH WILL THEN ACCOUNT FOR ABOUT 4.1 MILLION TO PAY IT OFF, WHICH THEN WOULD BRING US TO THE 7.6 MILLION. 
          AND THEN THERE'S EVEN A THIRD, WHICH HAS NOT BEEN AUTHORIZED YET, CONTEMPLATED, CONTEMPLATED 50 MILLION IN SPRING OF 2028, WHICH WHATEVER COUNCIL HAS TO APPROVE THAT, WHICH WILL BE ANOTHER 3 MILLION. 
          SO THEN WE'RE TALKING 10 MILLION, AND IF THE REVENUES ARE THERE, IT'S 10%. 
          WHAT I REALLY WANTED TO UNDERSTAND THERE IS BECAUSE I, I, I GOT A LITTLE CONFUSED AND MAYBE THAT'S GONNA BE RESOLVED WHEN WE GO BACK IN AND LOOK AT THE ALLOCATED USES, BECAUSE WHEN YOU SAID THAT 60.25 MILLION WAS RAISED AND THEN YOU SHOW THAT IT WAS EXPENDED IN 
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FISCAL YEAR 23, DID IT ACTUALLY GET EXPENDED IN FISCAL YEAR 23 OR WAS JUST YEAH, A LITTLE BIT. 
          GOT SUSPENDED IN FISCAL YEAR 23. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE THEN A LOT OF IT, YEAH. 
          THEN IT SHOWS SOME IN FISCAL YEAR 24, AND THEN A TOTAL OF FISCAL YEAR 24 WAS GONNA BE 82.24. 
          BUT HOW DID WE GET 82.24 OF INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU KNOW, BOND MONEY WHEN YOU ONLY DID 60.25? 'CAUSE YOU'RE SAYING THIS ISN'T COMING OUT TILL NEXT YEAR, RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          YES. 
          EVENTUALLY THAT, UH, 82.24 WILL BE COVERED BY BOND PROCEEDS. 
          YEAH, BUT YOU, THAT'S THE NEXT ITEM. 
          I'M TRYING TO GET A POLICY ISSUE HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT, BUT I GUESS WHAT I WANTED TO SEE WAS WHAT ACTUALLY WAS THE SCHEDULE OF BONDS THAT WERE AUTHORIZED AND ISSUED? I THINK SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT I HEARD AT THE LAST MEETING WAS UNDERSTANDING, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT INTEREST RATES WITH INTEREST RATES GOING THE WAY THEY WERE GOING, DID THEY GET WORSE OR NOT? AND THEN HE SAID, OH, WE DON'T KNOW. 
          WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU. 
          I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT WE WERE GOING TO HEAR. 
          WHAT WAS THE IMPACT OF THOSE BONDS BEING ISSUED AND DID IT CHANGE YOUR SCENARIOS BASED ON THE HIGHEST? I THINK YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT, UH, HIGHER , HIGHER INTEREST RATES, DID THAT IMPACT POTENTIALLY WHAT, WHAT WE WERE GONNA BE ABLE TO RAISE OR GENERATE? BECAUSE BASED ON THE INTEREST RATES, YOU ULTIMATELY GENERATE SO MUCH TO BE SPENT. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? UM, BASED ON THE INTEREST, WHAT VARIES WITH THE INTEREST RATE CHANGE, WHICH DIDN'T CHANGE VERY MUCH WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OKAY. 
          IS HOW MUCH THE ANNUAL PRINCIPLE AND INTEREST PAYMENT IS. 
          OKAY. 
          WE WERE GONNA BORROW 16 A QUARTER MILLION NO MATTER WHAT. 
          UM, I MEAN UNLESS INTEREST RATES WENT SKYROCKET. 
          SO WE RAISED 16 A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHEN WAS THE 60.25 AUTHORIZED AND WHEN WAS IT ISSUED THAT YOU ENDED UP GETTING THE MONEY? IT WAS AUTHOR AUTHORIZED ON MAY 2ND, 2023. 
          AND WE, WE PRICED A WEEK LATER AND IT PROBABLY CLOSED IN LATE MAY, I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT DATE. 
          SO IN LATE MAY, THAT'S WHEN YOU GOT THE 60 POINT, THAT'S 60.2 YOU ARRIVED IN THE TRUSTEE BANK? CORRECT. 
          AND THEN WHEN IS THE NEXT AMOUNT? 67 68 NI GONNA GET AUTHORIZED? UM, IT, WE WOULD PROBABLY GO TO CITY COUNCIL PROBABLY AGAIN IN EARLY MAY OF 2026 PRICE A WEEK OR TWO LATER AND CLOSE IN LATE MAY. 
          BUT THAT'S SUBJECT TO WHEN WE NEED THE CASH AND JUST RATE CONDITIONS, ALL THAT STUFF. 
          AND SO THEN THE SAME THING FOR THIS 2028? ANOTHER 50. 
          ANOTHER 50, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THEN THE SECOND PIECE OF THE PUZZLE WAS YOU WERE ASKING WHERE WERE THE BONDS GOING? AND WE SAID WE KNEW INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT IT JUST GLANCING AT THE MEMO, 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK I SAW THAT MEMO AND I MUST HAVE MISSED IT YESTERDAY 'CAUSE I WAS GOING THROUGH REAL FAST BECAUSE I ONLY HAD THAT DANG HOUR. 
          BUT, UH, WHERE THE FUNDS WERE GOING, I KNOW THERE'S LIKE BIG PROJECTS THAT NEEDED TO BE COVERED. 
          SO DO WE HAVE A SCHEDULE THAT SHOWS THE BOND MONEY OF 60.25 WAS GOING TO THESE FIVE OVERDUE PROJECTS? THE NEXT ONES WERE GOING TO THIS PROJECT THAT Y'ALL ALREADY HAD SOMETHING IN MIND WHERE THEY WERE GONNA BE ALLOCATED TO AND WHAT THEY WERE GONNA BE ON ASK JONATHAN AND MARYLAND. 
          YEAH, SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE PRESENTED THAT TO THIS COMMITTEE. 
          WE, UH, ON WHAT FUNDS ARE GOING FROM THE BONDS AND NON BOND THAT'S BEEN INCLUDED. 
          OH, WE, OKAY. 
          SO, UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS AUGUST, UH, 2024 AS WELL AS AUGUST, 2023. 
          SO WE GO BACK, YOU'RE SAYING GO BACK TO OUR NOTES THERE AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE, WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO GO SEE HOW THE, THERE'S A SPECIFIC SLIDE THAT OUTLINES BOND FUNDS VERSUS NON BOND FOR 60.25 ONLY, UH, FOR THE FY 23 BONDS THAT TOTALED 60.25 AS WELL AS THE FY 25 BONDS THAT TOTALED THE 88 OBJECTION, WHICH ARE NOW PROJECTED TO BE SOLD IN FY 26. 
          YES. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO IT WAS 67 TO 68 RULE. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT YEAH, THE FFY 23 PROJECTS FUNDED WITH THE BOND PROCEEDS WERE PRESENTED TO THIS COMMITTEE AND CITY COUNCIL SEPARATELY FROM THE NON MEASURE, NON BOND MEASURE, A FUNDED PROJECTS. 
          AND THEN AS WELL FY 25 PROPOSED BUDGET. 
          WE PRESENTED THE SAME SLIDES BUT WITH UPDATED WITH THE PROJECTS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO CAN I THEN MAKE JUST ANOTHER REQUEST THAT YOU RESEND THAT TO ALL FOUR OF US, JUST AGAIN, SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHERE THE BONDS ARE GOING. 
          'CAUSE EVENTUALLY WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT CIP INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT IF THERE'S ALREADY, I'M ASSUMING AGAIN, YOU WENT TO COUNCIL SAYING, HEY, WE'RE READY TO DO THESE BONDS AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA SPEND IT ON. 
          WE'RE GONNA DO THESE BONDS AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA SPEND IT ON. 
          YES. 
          WE WENT TO TO CITY COUNCIL AND THIS COMMITTEE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          SO I WOULD LOVE TO RE-SEE THAT, BECAUSE AGAIN, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT, UH, AT THE TIME THAT THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE SAYING. 
          SO IF YOU DON'T MIND RESENDING THAT, UM, THE NEXT QUESTION I HAVE IS IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO SLIDE FIVE. 
          OKAY. 
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SO ON SLIDE FIVE, IS THERE ANY WAY, BECAUSE I, I KNOW I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, OH, LOOK AT ALL THIS WONDERFUL MONEY THAT'S GOING ON, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT BROKEN DOWN BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH WAS MEASURE A AND THEN GRANTED OTHER STUFF, IS WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME. 
          SO IN THAT 45.7 MILLION IN FISCAL YEAR 17 WE'RE SAYING 25 MILLION OF THAT WAS MEASURE A, THE OTHER 20 MILLION CAME FROM SOMETHING EITHER STATE OR FEDERAL OR WHATEVER FUNDS. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? I PERSONALLY HAVE THE SLIGHTEST IDEA. 
          I DIDN'T GET HERE UNTIL LEFT 4 22. 
          NO, BUT YOU CAN LOOK THAT UP. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          WE, WE HAVE AN ACCOUNTING OF THAT. 
          YEAH, BECAUSE I, I, AGAIN, THE SOURCES OF, OF THE, OF THE, OF THE KIND BEING THE COMPANY THING. 
          SO YOU HAVE GRANTS. 
          YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND AND SEE GENERAL FUND, IF I LOOK AT FISCAL YEAR 23, FOR EXAMPLE, IS IT 50 MILLION COMING FROM MEASURE A 60 MILLION? IS THAT, IS THAT PART OF THAT MONEY FROM THE BOND AND THEN 27 FROM SOME OTHER SOURCES? AND IF THOSE OTHER SOURCES ARE, AGAIN, I'M JUST CURIOUS, IS IT LOCAL? IS IT OUTSIDE GRANTS STATE GRANTS FEDERAL. 
          WE DON'T NEED TO SAY JOE BLOW GRANT TWO 4 MILLION, BUT YOU KNOW, FEDERAL GRANTS, STATE GRANTS, LOCAL MONIES. 
          IS THERE ANY WAY TO BREAK THAT DOWN JUST FOR THE YES. 
          AND SO WE, WE DO TRACK ALL THAT. 
          WE PRESENT THAT, THAT'S IN THE BUDGET BOOK THAT'S PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL FOR, FOR THIS COMMITTEE PURPOSES. 
          IF, IF THE UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE ARE GONNA DO A FULL REVIEW OF ALL INFRASTRUCTURE FUNDING, THEN WE CAN PROVIDE THAT, OR WE CAN JUST PROVIDE THE MEASURE A OR WE CAN PROVIDE A MIXED MODEL. 
          BUT IT, WE, WE HAVE THE FUNDING AVAILABLE. 
          SO, UH, THE DATA IS SOMETHING WE PRESENT, UM, OUTSIDE OF THIS COMMITTEE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FULL SCOPE OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          UM, I, I GUESS THE, BECAUSE MY PURPOSE OF ASKING THE QUESTION IS FOR A SPIRIT OF TRANSPARENCY, WHEN I'M BEING TOLD, OH, LOOK HOW WONDERFUL WE'RE DOING IN GETTING ALL THIS MONEY FOR CAPITAL. 
          WELL, HOLD ON. 
          IF HALF OF THAT IS BOND MONEY, WHICH WE'RE BORROWING FROM THE FUTURE TO PAY FOR TODAY, LET'S, LET'S LABEL IT FUTURE, YOU KNOW, BOND MONEY, LET'S LABEL. 
          THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE PAYING IN YOUR MEASURE A TAXES, YOU KNOW, 50 MILLIONS COMING FROM YOUR 1% SALES TAX. 
          I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THIS BETTER IN A SPIRIT OF TRANSPARENCY. 
          YOU KNOW, WHAT WERE WE DOING BEFORE MEASURE A A, BECAUSE THE STORY IS PEOPLE VOTED 1% OF THEIR SALES TAX TO HELP SUPPORT INFRASTRUCTURE AND SAFETY. 
          HAVE WE GOTTEN BETTER AND IS IT REALLY HELPING ME IMPROVE? THAT'S WHAT WE WANT. 
          I'LL PAY, IF YOU TOLD ME TO PAY 2% TO HELP AND, AND THEN WE CAN PROVE THAT IT'S GONNA HELP 'EM, WE'RE GONNA ALL LIVE A BETTER LIFE. 
          SIGN ME UP. 
          YOU, I'M NOT COMPLAINING OR ARGUING. 
          I WANT TO PAY MY PORTION, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, IN THE SPIRIT OF TRANSPARENCY, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE EVEN PRE MEASURE A THANK YOU, MEASURE A, HERE'S WHAT WE'VE DONE. 
          WE'VE MORE THAN DOUBLED NOW. 
          AND HERE'S WHERE MEASURE A IS HELPING US AND EVEN THE PROJECTIONS, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE THERE IS FEAR RIGHT NOW. 
          MAYBE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S NOT GONNA SUPPORT US VERY WELL FOR THE NEXT TWO TO FOUR YEARS. 
          SO I'M SURE THE CITY'S THINKING ABOUT THAT. 
          SO I JUST THINK IN THE SPIRIT OF TRANSPARENCY, CAN WE BREAK THAT DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT OF MEASURE A BOND AND THEN OTHERS, AND THEN, HEY, CREE MEASURE A, WE WERE AVERAGING ONLY 20 MILLION OUTSIDE AND SO I I COMPLETELY, WE WE CAN DEFINITELY PROVIDE THAT DATA, BUT I, I JUST WANNA REITERATE, ALL OF THAT IS AVAILABLE IN THE CAPITAL BUDGET BOOK. 
          I HEAR YOU. 
          UNTIL THEN, YOU WANT ME TO GO THROUGH NO, NO, NO. 
          TWO PAGE BOOK AND FIGURE THAT OUT. 
          OR IS IT EASIER FOR YOU IN, IN JUST TRYING TO, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO SUMMARIZE, I'M JUST ASKING YOU, SINCE YOU HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE, THE SKILL AND YOU ALREADY KNOW THE NUMBERS, YOU COULD PROBABLY DO THAT IN A FEW HOURS VERSUS FOR ME TO READ A THOUSAND PAGE BOOK AND UNDERSTAND YOUR BOOK, I'M GONNA NEED MORE THAN THREE HOURS. 
          YES. 
          WE COULD GENERATE THIS IN ABOUT, UH, FIVE MINUTES. 
          SO WE CAN DEFINITELY PROVIDE THIS TO YOU. 
          THAT'S GOOD. 
          BUT AGAIN, I THINK, ARE WE FOCUSING ON MEASURE A OR THE FULL CIP, BUT WE, REGARDLESS, WE CAN, WE CAN PROVIDE THIS. 
          IT'S ALREADY PUBLIC. 
          I CAN JUST PUT IT IN A DIFFERENT FORMAT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND, AND MY TAKE AGAIN, ONLY IS WHEN IF, IF I'M ON THE COMMISSION AND PEOPLE ARE ASKING ME QUESTIONS ABOUT MEASURE A AND I CAN'T EXPLAIN IT, I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT, AND I'M JUST SITTING HERE TO BE A RUBBER STAMP, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE JUST BEING A RUBBER STAMP OF YEP. 
          WE'RE SPENDING IT LIKE MEASURE A. 
          I WANT TO AT LEAST UNDERSTAND IT ENOUGH TO HELP EXPLAIN IT AND, AND THAT WE ARE ALL UNDERSTANDING IT VERY OBVIOUSLY. 
          HEY, HERE'S WHAT YOUR MEASURE A, HOW MUCH YOUR MEASURE A IS. 
          I SAW MY SIGN AT FIXED PARK OR, OR MY LITTLE PARK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I LOVE SEEING THAT, THAT IT'S GONNA BE BANJO BEING REBUILT. 
          IT'S BEAUTIFUL. 
          THE PARK, THE BLACK POST IS BEAUTIFUL. 
          NO ONE'S COMPLAINING ABOUT THE WORK. 
          YOU GUYS ARE DOING AN AMAZING, INCREDIBLE 
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JOB. 
          I LOVE ART. 
          WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE, I LOVE THAT WE'RE GETTING IMPROVEMENTS, BUT HONESTLY, FROM WHAT I'M HEARING, FROM WHAT I'M SEEING, IT'S NOT FACET. 
          WE'VE BEEN PAYING EIGHT YEARS AND WE STILL ARE. 
          OUR, OUR STREET SEEMS TO BE GETTING THE WORST. 
          SOME OF THE PROJECTS ARE STILL WAY BEHIND. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY PURPOSE OF WHY I'M HERE. 
          I DON'T KNOW THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS. 
          I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND SO THAT WE KNOW YES, IT IS WORKING. 
          OH, NO, IT'S NOT. 
          LET'S REVISIT WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE IT WORK? YES, MA'AM. 
          UH, MEMBER HOWARD. 
          SO HAVE YOU, UM, THOUGHT, HAVE YOU DONE ANY PROJECTIONS ON, UM, HOW POSSIBLE, UH, REDUCTIONS IN FEDERAL FUNDING ARE GOING TO IMPACT OUR, OUR BUDGET AND OUR EXPENDITURES GOING FORWARD IN NEAR FUTURE? AGAIN, THAT'S A, UH, WITH RESPECT TO CAPITAL AND INFRASTRUCTURE, THAT'S A QUESTION FOR MARILYN AND JONATHAN. 
          YEAH. 
          WE'VE DONE A, AN EVALUATION. 
          YES. 
          AND SO WE HAVE THOSE FIGURES AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE BEING INCORPORATED IN, IN, IN THESE REPORTS. 
          UM, WELL, EXCUSE ME. 
          THESE REPORTS ARE ACTIONS, RIGHT? NO, I UNDERSTAND. 
          I MEANT THE OTHER, I WENT, I WAS DOING THIS, NOT, NOT THAT I WAS DOING WHAT OTHER I, I WAS DOING, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT YEAH, YEAH. 
          SO THE NEXT BATCH IN THE FINANCE, SO, SO I, SORRY, WHAT, WHAT I ARE, ARE THE, THOSE THREE REDUCTIONS, THE YEAH. 
          FORECAST REDUCTIONS IN FUNDING BEING INCORPORATED INTO THE REPORTS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT. 
          SO YEAH, SO WE DON'T, WE DO NOT APPROPRIATE GRANT FUNDS UNTIL WE'VE BEEN AWARDED THE GRANT. 
          SO WE DON'T HAVE LIKE $200 MILLION OF LIABILITY OF POTENTIAL GRANT FUNDS IN A PROJECT. 
          OKAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO WE, WE ONLY APPROPRIATE CITY COUNCIL ONLY APPROPRIATE THE GRANT ONCE WE HAVE IT SIGNED. 
          FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SAYS YES, WE HAVE THE AGREEMENT. 
          WE'RE NOT OBJECTING TO GRANT AWARDS. 
          WE, I MEAN, INTERNALLY, WE, WE HAVE MANY GRANT AWARDS THAT WE'RE APPLYING FOR TRYING TO SECURE. 
          WE HAVE SOME THAT WE HAVE BEEN TECHNICALLY AWARDED, BUT WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN THE SIGNATURES FROM. 
          BUT AGAIN, THOSE AREN'T APPROPRIATE IN THE BUDGET UNTIL THEY'RE READY TO GO. 
          GOOD TO KNOW. 
          BUT WE DO HAVE A, A, HAVE AN AMOUNT OF POTENTIAL LIABILITY, UH, IF WE WERE TO LOSE ALL FEDERAL FUNDING. 
          AND WE DO HAVE THAT NUMBER, I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW, BUT WE BRIEF THE CITY MANAGER AND COUNCIL ON IT. 
          AND PER PUBLIC WORKS ALONE, IT'S OVER $200 MILLION. 
          WELL, AND THE STATE AS WELL NOW WITH THE FIRES AND EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THAT'S ANOTHER FACTOR. 
          YES. 
          WITH THE STATE FUNDING THOUGH, JUST TO REITERATE, WE DO NOT APPROPRIATE ANY MONEY THAT WE DO NOT HAVE CASH AT ANY COURT. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK IN, UH, IN CONSIDERING TIME, WE WANNA MOVE ON. 
          IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE BOND REPORT? NOT CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE MEMBER HOWARD. 
          YES. 
          MEMBER OCHOA. 
          YES. 
          VICE CHAIR. 
          AMY? YES. 
          CHAIR CRUZ. 
          YES. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, IF YOU CAN PLEASE READ THE NEXT ITEM NUMBER SIX. 
          ITEM SIX IS A RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE A PRESENTATION FROM THE FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT REGARDING A MEASURE OF FINANCIAL OVERVIEW. 
          OH, SORRY. 
          STAFF IS THERE. 
          OH, CAN I GET A MOTION ON THIS ITEM? THANK YOU. 
          SO MOVE I, IT'S BEEN MOVED BY MEMBER AMY AND SECONDED BY MEMBER  STAFF. 
          IS THERE A REPORTER PRESENTATION FOR, YEAH, UH, CHAIR CRUZ MEMBER OF COMMITTEE. 
          I'M GONNA GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE, UH, MEASURE EIGHT FINANCIALS AND THEN ALSO JUST FOR A TIME CHECK, I KNOW WE HAVE THIS ITEM AND THE CIP ITEM THAT, SO I'LL TRY TO GO HIGH LEVEL HERE IN THE LAB TIME FOR THE COMMITTEE TO DISCUSS THE NUMBERS. 
          SO TODAY WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THE FY 24 PERFORMANCE. 
          SO WE COULD GIVE A RECAP OF HOW MEASURING PERFORMANCE LAST FISCAL YEAR, THAT CLOSED F UH, SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2024. 
          THEN WE'RE GONNA JUMP INTO HOW MEASURE A HAS PERFORMED INCEPTION TODAY AS OF FY 24. 
          THEN ALSO PROVIDE A BRIEF OUTLOOK OF MEASURE A FOR THE PROJECTION. 
          SO STARTING WITH THE FY 24 PERFORMANCE. 
          SO ON THE SLIDE YOU CAN SEE A CON RECAP OF OUR FY 24, UH, MEASURE A BUDGET WHICH WAS ADOPTED, UM, WITH A 68 POINT MILLION DOLLARS REVENUE PROJECTION MEASURE REP MEASURE A REVENUE ACTUALLY ENDED THE YEAR AT 63.4 MILLION, WHICH IS ABOUT 5 MILLION LESS THAN THE ADOPTED BUDGET FOR 7%, BUT IT'S ONLY ABOUT HALF A MILLION OR 1% OFF FROM THE MOST RECENT PROJECTION WE GAVE THE COMMITTEE IN AUGUST. 
          UH, MEASURING REVENUES, THE UNDERPERFORMANCE WAS REALLY SIMILAR 
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TO THE TRENDS THAT WERE IMPACTING SALES TAX IN MAJOR CATEGORIES SUCH AS GENERAL CONSUMERS, AUTOS, TRANSPORTATIONS, AND SHIFT IN CONSUMER BEHAVIOR, WHICH WE ACTUALLY SAW BEGAN IN FY 23. 
          THEN ALSO OTHER UH, CATEGORIES SUCH AS CONTINUED STRENGTHS IN RESTAURANTS AND HOTELS AND ONE TIME USE TAX DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS HAVE IMPROVED FOR FY 24. 
          UM, AS FAR AS OTHER SOURCES THAT WE HAD IN THE PLAN, WE PLAN FOR A $7.5 MILLION RELEASE SET ASIDE FROM THE PRIOR FISCAL YEAR TO FULLY FUND THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR FFY 24 THAT JUST ENDED. 
          THEN ALSO THERE WAS A 2.5, UH, $2.9 MILLION SET ASIDE FROM FY 23 TO HELP FUND AN FY 24, WHICH WERE FROM PRIOR APPROVED COUNCIL PROJECTS THAT JUST DID NOT FINISH IN THE FISCAL YEAR. 
          CARRIED OVER TO FINISH AN FFY 24. 
          SO THAT WAS FOR, UH, CRACK SEAL TEAM VEHICLES PUBLIC SAFETY RESPONSE EFFORTS FOR THE HOMELESS STRONG LA RIVER CARTS, BATHROOM UPGRADE, DOOR UPGRADES AND PARK PERMIT, UH, TREE REMOVAL AS FAR AS UH, EXPENDITURES. 
          SO ON THIS TABLE YOU CAN SEE A SUMMARY OF HOW MEASURE A EXPENDITURES ENDED THE YEAR AND THEN ALSO ATTACHED IT'S THE LAST PAGE OF YOUR PAPER, UH, PAPER PACKET AND ALSO POSTED ONLINE IS A DETAILED OUTLINE OF EACH LINE ITEM SPEND IN MEASURE A FOR THE OPERATIONS. 
          FY 24 MEASURE A TOTAL EXPENDITURES ENDED AT 72.6 MILLION INVESTED IN MAJOR CATEGORIES AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SLIDE. 
          UM, IN ADDITION TO EXPENDITURES, THERE WAS OTHER USES SUCH AS THE MEASURE A CONTRIBUTED 634,000 TO OUR 1% STABILIZATION FUND, WHICH IS 1% OF THE SALES TAX REVENUE GENERATED GETS PUT ASIDE INTO THE STABILIZATION FUND FROM FUNDED LIABILITIES. 
          ADDITIONALLY, AT THE END OF THE YEAR, WE SET ASIDE 1.1 MILLION FOR FRUIT PROJECTS THAT WERE NOT FULLY EXPENDED IN FY 24 AND ARE GONNA CARRY OVER TO BE COMPLETED IN FY 25. 
          SO THIS INCLUDED, UH, FUNDING FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY RESPONSE, HOMELESS ALONG THE LA RIVER, 600,000 FOR THE PARK BATHROOM DOOR UPGRADE TO 52,000 FOR PARK TREE REMOVAL, WHICH WILL CONTINUE ON 25. 
          SO THIS TABLE SHOWS A SUMMARY OF THE HIGH LEVEL, UH, MEASURING SOURCES AND USES THAT WE JUST COVERED IN THE LAST SLIDE TO GIVE YOU A PICTURE OF HOW THE ACTUAL PLAN ENDED. 
          SO IN THE FY 24, OUR MID-YEAR PROJECTION, WE DID SEE THAT THERE WAS PROJECTED SHORTFALL ABOUT 2.7 MILLION, LARGELY DUE TO BECAUSE OF THE REDUCED REVENUE PROJECTION, UM, TO BALANCE THE MEASURE A FUND TO MAKE SURE IT WAS BALANCED AND NOT IN A DEFICIT. 
          THE TRANSFER TO THE CIP WAS REDUCED TO, UH, BY 2.7 MILLION. 
          SO WE REDUCED THAT PAY AS YOU GO TRANSFER BY 2.7 MILLION. 
          BUT IT'S NOT GONNA IMPACT THE CIP PROGRAM, THE CAPITAL PROJECT PROGRAM BECAUSE AS KEVIN MENTIONED IN THE LAST PRESENTATION, THOSE BONDS SOLD HAD INTEREST ACCRUED AND THOSE INTERESTS WILL BE PULLED TO FILL THE GAP OF 2.7 MILLION. 
          SO THOSE PROJECTS KEEP CONTINUING ON. 
          SO WE HAVE DATES ON SOLUTION TO BALANCE BOND. 
          ALSO TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE BACKGROUND ON THE ACTUAL MEASURE A PROCESS, IF THIS YEAR ENDED WITH A SURPLUS, THERE WOULD BE RECOMMENDED USES FOR THOSE SURPLUS DOLLARS AND THOSE WOULD BE BROUGHT TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND THIS COMMITTEE FOR REVIEW OF HOW THOSE FUNDS WOULD BE SPENT. 
          GREAT. 
          NEXT FEW SLIDES, WE'LL GIVE A LOOK BACK OF THE EXCEPTION INCEPTION TO DATE FOR FY 24 STARTING WITH REVENUE. 
          SO SINCE JANUARY 1ST, 2020 17, APPROXIMATELY 521 MILLION OF REVENUE HAS BEEN GENERATED THROUGH MEASURE A THROUGH FY 24 YEAR END. 
          THIS IS INCLUSIVE OF THE TAX RATE DROPPING FROM 1% TO UH, 0.75% ON JANUARY 1ST, 2023 DUE TO COUNTY MEASURE A'S UH, ABILITY TO TAKE PRESENTS. 
          AND IT WILL STAY AT THAT RATE UNTIL MEASURE COUNTY MEASURE A SUNSET. 
          IN ADDITION TO MEASURE A REVENUES, AS WE MENTIONED BEFORE, IN THE LAST PRESENTATION IN FFY 23, THE CITY LAUNCHED ITS MEASURE A BOND PROGRAM WHICH BOOSTS ITS PLAN TO RE, UH, REJU UTILIZE THE UH, CITY'S INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          SO SINCE FFY 24, WE'VE RAISED THE 60.25 MILLION BACKED BY MEASURE A INVESTED INTO PROJECTS. 
          AND AS OF FFY 24, WE'VE SPENT ABOUT 31.9 MILLION OF THOSE BOND PROCEEDS. 
          THEN FY 24, WE UH, ADDED 22 MILLION TO INVEST IN THE PRIORITY OF THE UH, FIRE STATION NINE REBUILD PROJECT. 
          AND AS KEVIN MENTIONED, THE BOND PROCEEDS THE BACK THAT WILL BE RAISED IN EARLY 2, 2 6, BUT THIS GETS THE PROJECT GOING SO WE CAN ACTUALLY START THE, UH, THE PROJECT TO COMPLETE IN 2025. 
          SO I DID JUST WANNA SHARE SOME KEY ACCOMPLISHMENTS, SO NOT TO GO OVER IN TOO MUCH DETAIL, BUT WE DO SHARE A KEY ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF MEASURE A IN THE BUDGET BOOK. 
          AND THESE ARE SOME THAT WERE JUST STATED, 
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HIGH LEVEL OF WHAT MEASURE A HAS DONE FOR THE CITY. 
          AND THIS IS NOT EVERYTHING, THIS IS JUST CORE PROJECTS THAT WE SEE. 
          SO IN PUBLIC SAFETY WE DO, UM, PRIDE THAT IT HAS MAINTAINED 151 SWORN POSITION. 
          IT'S ACTUALLY REESTABLISHED THE POLICE SOUTH DIVISION. 
          UM, IT'S RESTORED ENGINE EIGHT POLICE ACADEMY RESTORATION TO HELP FUND THE, THE STAFFING OF THE POLICE ACADEMY AND THEN ALSO RESTING 12 AND ALSO PROVIDED QUALITY A LIFE OFFICERS TO SUPPORT THE UH, HOMELESS EFFORT IN OUTREACH INDUSTRIES. 
          ALSO, WE HAVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD BIKE SAFETY TEAM, WHICH WAS FUNDED BY MEASURE A AND THEN ENGINE 17 IS NOW BEING RESTORED STRUCTURALLY THROUGH MEASURE A. 
          THEN ON THE UP THE UH, INFRASTRUCTURE SIDE, WE DO HAVE A LOT OF MOBILITY LIBRARY, PARK FACILITY, UH, ACCOMPLISHMENTS. 
          THESE ARE HIGH LEVEL ACCOMPLISHMENTS, BUT THROUGH THE YEARS THE ACTUAL OPERATING DEPARTMENTS, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, FIRE DEPARTMENT, PUBLIC WORKS, THEY WILL ALWAYS COME BACK THROUGHOUT THE YEAR AND PRESENT THEIR THESE ACCOMPLISHMENTS IN MORE DETAILS AND GIVE YOU A BETTER BACKGROUND OF THE OPERATIONS. 
          SO THIS WILL BE CONTINUOUSLY COMING TO THE COMMITTEE. 
          GREAT. 
          SO NOW TO RECAP HOW MEASURE A HAS BEEN ALLOCATED THROUGHOUT THE YEARS. 
          SO ON THIS SLIDE IT SHOWS THAT HOW WE'VE ACTUALLY ALLOCATED THE MEASURE A BUDGET ACROSS MAJOR CATEGORIES. 
          AND THE GREEN IS KIND OF HIGHLIGHTED THE MAJOR CATEGORIES, WHICH IS PUBLIC SAFETY INFRASTRUCTURE AND IS COMMITTEE MEMBER JAN POINTED OUT IN THE LAST, UH, QUESTION HOW DOES BOND PROCEED OR DEBT FALL INTO THE CATEGORIES? WE HAVE THE BOTTOM ONES, WHICH ARE OTHER WHICH SUPPORT ADMIN SUPPORT TO ACTUALLY MANAGE THE PROGRAM INFRASTRUCTURE, BOND RENEWAL DEBT. 
          AND THEN WE ACTUALLY HAD A COUPLE YEARS SPLIT THE COMMUNITY HOSPITAL OUT OF MEASURE A FOR REPAIRS, FOR SEISMIC NEEDS. 
          AND THEN ALSO AS MENTIONED, THE CITY STABILIZATION FUND, WHICH IS 1% OF ALL THE REVENUE GENERATED GETS PUT INTO THIS FUND. 
          SO OVERALL YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE HAS BEEN ABOUT 270 MILLION ALLOCATED TO PUBLIC SAFETY AND INCLUSIVE OF BOND, UH, PROCEEDS 340, UH, 24 MILLION TOWARDS THE UH, INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS ON THIS SLIDE, IT IS THE SAME NUMBERS AS WE SAW IN THE LAST SLIDE, BUT NOW BROKEN INTO PERCENTAGES. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE THE PERCENTAGES FROM ONE FISCAL YEAR TO THE NEXT. 
          AND THEN ONE THING TO REALLY CALL OUT AS FAR AS HOW THESE PERCENTAGES WORK IS YES, WHEN WE GOT TO FY 23 ON THE REVENUE SIDE, THERE WAS LESS REVENUE BEING APPLIED, UM, PAID TO GO, BUT WE DID HAVE A SET ASIDE OF A LOT OF ACCUMULATED CASH AND MEASURE A THAT WAS BROUGHT BACK TO REJUVENATE THE, UH, MEASURE A PLAN AND FY 23. 
          ALSO, ONE FACTOR TO REALLY CONSIDER IS MEASURE A FUNDING STRUCTURAL FUNDS, WHICH IS MORE OPERATIONAL ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY SIDE AND CIP FUNDS, WHICH ARE MORE OF ONE TIMES AS THEY'RE THERE, THEY ARE APPLIED TO THE PLAN. 
          WHEN FY 23 WAS ADOPTED, THAT WAS WHEN THE TAX RATE DROPPED FROM 1% TO 0.75%. 
          WE CAN'T CHANGE THE STRUCTURAL PORTION ON THE OPERATIONAL SIDE. 
          SO IT DOES IMPACT HOW MUCH ALLOCATION GOES TO THE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE VERSUS THE OPERATIONAL SIDE. 
          BUT WE DID HAVE THE SET ASIDE OF CASH THAT WAS RELEASED INTO THE FY 23 PLAN AND ALSO BONDS. 
          SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE A HUGE JUMP INTO INFRASTRUCTURE BECAUSE WE HAD ALL THOSE PREVIOUS YEAR SET ASIDES THAT WERE ADDED TO THE MEASURE EIGHT PLAN AND FY 23 FOR INFRASTRUCTURE PLUS. 
          THEN THIS ONLY GOES UP TO FY 24, BUT WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT OUT HERE A LITTLE BIT. 
          SO TO LOOK AT THE OUT YEARS, THE FIRST SLIDE, SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE REVENUE. 
          SO MEASURE A REVENUE TREND, ALTHOUGH WE'VE SEEN SOME SLOWDOWN IN THE CURRENT PROJECTIONS OR CURRENT PERFORMANCE, IT'S STILL ASSUMING GROWTH IN THE OUT YEARS. 
          SO WE ARE ASSUMING 3% GROWTH IN THE OUT YEARS, INCLUDING THE ADJUSTMENT TO REFLECT THE LESS, UH, LESS ANTICIPATE PERFORMANCE IN CERTAIN CATEGORIES. 
          AND THIS ALSO SHOWS THE REFLECTION OF MEASURE A IN THE BUDGET FORECAST, SHIFTING FROM ONE PER UH, 0.75% BACK TO 1% IN FY 28 TO ALIGN WITH THE ORIGINAL SUNSET DATE OF COUNTY MEASURE H. 
          THE COLLECTION OF THE, THE TAXES INCREASED. 
          THE COLLECTION OF THE TAX THAT WOULD'VE BEEN INCREASED ON APRIL 1ST, 2025 IS SUBJECT TO CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF STATE FEE ADMINISTRATION C-D-T-F-A APPROVAL, WHICH HAS NOT JUST BEEN OBTAINED YET. 
          SO WE ARE FORECASTING IT OF WHAT YOU CURRENTLY PAST. 
          AND THEN I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS AS FAR AS THE PLANNING, BUT I DO WANT TO GIVE A QUICK UPDATE ON THE KEY DATES FOR RIGHT NOW. 
          IN MARCH, WE PRESENTED OUR FISCAL OUTLOOK TO CITY COUNCIL ON MARCH 18TH, AND NOW WE'RE HERE TALKING ABOUT THE FINANCIALS AND STRATEGIZING HOW THE FISCAL YEAR WILL LOOK. 
          AS MENTIONED DEPARTMENTS ARE RIGHT NOW WORKING ON THEIR PROJECTIONS AND THE CITY MANAGER IS GONNA RELEASE THEIR BUDGET TO THE MAYOR AND THEN THE 
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MAYOR WILL RELEASE IT PUBLICLY WITH THE CITY MANAGER IN AUGUST. 
          ALSO IN AUGUST WE WILL BE RETURNING WITH A SCHEDULED MEETING AND ALL THE PROPOSED USES WILL BE BROUGHT BACK TO THE CITY MANAGER, OH, I'M SORRY, TO THIS TODAY. 
          SO WE CAN SEE WHAT'S IN THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR PLAN. 
          THEN IF ANY CHANGES ARE MADE BY COUNCIL WHEN IS ADOPTED, THOSE CHANGES WOULD BE BROUGHT BACK TO THIS COMMITTEE IN OCTOBER WHEN WE MEET AT THE END OF THE YEAR. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE PROPOSED BUDGET WAS, ALSO THE FINAL, UH, CHANGES IF CHANGES WERE MADE TO THE ADOPTED BUDGET. 
          AND THEN ONE KEY NOTE WITH THIS IS ALTHOUGH WE DO PROJECT MEASURE A IN THE OUT YEARS, IT IS APPROVED ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. 
          SO WE ARE APPROVING ONE FISCAL YEAR AT A TIME, BUT ALSO JUST FORECASTING AND SEEING WHERE IT'S GOING IN THE YEARS OUT. 
          AND I DIDN'T MENTION THIS BEFORE, BUT AS FAR AS OUR, OUR CURRENT MODEL OF MEASURE A, WE'VE FORECASTED IT FOR A FIVE YEAR PROGRAM FOR INFRASTRUCTURE FROM FY 23 TO 27. 
          AS OUR CURRENT PROJECTION LOOKS, WE ARE FORECASTING MEASURE EIGHT TO GO BACK UP TO 1% IN FFY 28. 
          AND THAT YEAR, FY 28 NOW HAS NOT BEEN DISCUSSED OR PLANNED. 
          THAT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE BROUGHT BACK OVER THE YEARS WHEN WE GO CLOSER EXHIBIT. 
          SO WANTED TO GIVE THAT TIDBIT THERE. 
          SO WITH THAT, I HOPE, UH, THAT WAS ENOUGH INFORMATION TO GIVE A GOOD DISCUSSION AROUND AND I'LL MOVE BACK TO YOU GUYS FOR QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS ITEM. 
          IF ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND, YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT, JUDGE. 
          OKAY. 
          MEMBERS, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? MEMBER HOWARD? UM, ON SLIDES ON PAGE 14, THE MR A REVENUE PROJECTION, THE 94.4. 
          SO IF I TAKE, UM, THE 68.8 AND I INCREASE IT BY 1.33%, WHICH WOULD BE INCREASING IT FROM THE 0.75 TO 1.0, THAT'S STILL COMING IN LESS THAN THAT 94.4. 
          AND SO I'M ASSUMING THERE'S SOME KIND OF A REVENUE INCREASE THERE? YEAH, FOR, FOR JUST GENERAL, JUST GENERAL GROWTH, THE MEASURE A, WE'RE ASSUMING ABOUT THREE 'CAUSE OF THE OLYMPICS AND WHATEVER, UH, THIS DOES NOT ASSUME ANY GROWTH WITH THE OLYMPICS. 
          SO ANY IMPACTS OF WHAT COULD HAPPEN WITH THE OLYMPUS IS NOT GOES INTO THIS PROJECTION, WHICH WE COULD ONLY ASSUME WOULD HAVE A POSITIVE IMPACT BEYOND WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY SHOWING. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE, AND THE REASON I I IT COMES UP 91.7, SO THERE'S A SMALL YEAH, THAT'S A 3% THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, 'CAUSE PART OF WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT, THAT WITH THE OLYMPICS, THE, UM, THE CONVENTION CENTER IS GONNA BE USED FOR OTHER PURPOSES, SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE AS MUCH CONVENTION ACTIVITY BEING IN TOWN AND THAT COULD HAVE AN IMPACT ON LOCAL BUSINESSES AND OTHER THINGS. 
          AND SO I'M WONDERING IF THAT MAYBE NEEDS TO BE FACTORED IN TO FY 28 AS MAYBE BEING FLAT INSTEAD OF I 3% INCREASE. 
          YEAH, AS FAR AS OUR THREE, 3% INCREASE IS BASED OFF OUR CURRENT FACTORS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN WHEN WE GET CLOSER TO FY 28, WE MAY SEE DIFFERENT TRENDS THAT SHIFTED ALSO TO TOUCH ON THE OLYMPICS A LITTLE BIT, JUST BECAUSE IT IS, IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, THERE'S GONNA BE THINGS THAT ARE CHANGING. 
          IT IS GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT LIKELY WILL GENERATE ONE TIME REVENUES THAT WE CAN SEE, BUT IT WILL TAKE US SOME TIME TO SAY OF THIS REVENUE, WHAT COULD WE ACTUALLY SAY HELPED MEASURE A STRUCTURING THE OUT THERE. 
          SO WE MAY SEE IT FORECASTED IN THE FY 28 MORE ON THE STANDARD LEVEL OF WHAT WE UNDERSTAND, SEE REVENUES COME IN HIGHER THAN WHAT'S ACTUALLY BUDGETED OR FORECASTED, ALLOW FOR ONE TIME USES AND THEN TRY TO ADJUST THE VALUE TO SEE WHAT MEASURE IS LOOKING LIKE IN THAT. 
          THAT WAS MY, MY ONLY COMMENT FOR THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO I'LL, I'LL STAY WITH THE REVENUE PROJECTION QUESTION. 
          UM, SO RIGHT NOW, AND JUST SO I'M CLEAR BECAUSE I, IT JUST DIDN'T, DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME. 
          THE COUNTY MEASURE A THAT'S SUPPOSED TO REPLACE MEASURE H THAT DOESN'T GO TO EFFECT INTO FISCAL YEAR 28. 
          IS IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? AND AT THAT POINT IN TIME IS THAT WHEN OUR SALES TAX RATE GOES UP AS A WHOLE, I COULD POINT IT TO ASHLEY FOR THE, UH, THE OVERALL PICTURE, BUT I'LL JUST NOTE THAT THE FY 28 WAS BEFORE THE COUNTY MEASURE, UH, A VALID, THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL TARGET OF WHEN IT WAS SUNSETTED. 
          SO THE PROJECTION DID NOT SHIFT YET BASED ON ANY FURTHER . 
          AND I'LL LEAD IT TO AS YES, THE CURRENT SUNSET DATE OF, UM, THE CURRENT PROJECTION OF WHEN THAT TAX CHANGE 
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IS GOING TO TAKE EFFECT IS OCTOBER 1ST, 2027 WAS THE ORIGINAL SUNSET DATE OF MEASURE AGE. 
          SO, SO, BUT THAT'S NOT THE NEW ONE BASED ON THE NEW COUNTY AID THAT JUST PASSED. 
          CORRECT. 
          WE'RE WAITING FOR C-D-P-F-A APPROVAL TO IMPLEMENT THAT FOR THEM TO COLLECT IT ON, UH, FOR OUR CITY. 
          AND SO IS THAT WAITING 'CAUSE OF THE PENDING LAWSUITS THAT ARE HAPPENING HAPPENING AGAINST IT AS TO WHETHER THAT CAN ALLOW OUR TAX RATE TO GO UP OR, OR WHAT, WHAT IS PREVENTING THE CITY FROM DOING NEW PROJECTIONS? BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT WHEN THEY PASSED THE COUNTY MEASURE A THAT WAS GIVING, OKAY, COUNTY MEASURE A IS NOW GONNA REPLACE MEASURE H AND HERE'S HOW THE AMOUNT AND THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN AS OF JANUARY AND THEN OUR QUOTE UNQUOTE 0.75%, WE NO LONGER HAD THAT ROOF OR THAT LIMIT, SO WE WERE SUPPOSED TO GO BACK UP. 
          SO IF THAT HAPPENS, WHEN, WHEN IS THAT SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN? SURE, YOU ARE CORRECT. 
          COUNTY MEASURE A CHANGE THE SUNSET OF MEASURE COUNTY MEASURE H. 
          SO ACCORDING TO COUNTY MEASURE A, IT WOULD MOVE, IT, IT THE SUNSET DATE CHANGED FROM OCTOBER 1ST, 2027 TO APRIL 1ST, 2025, UH, APRIL. 
          YEAH. 
          HOWEVER, ON A CITY LEVEL, THE C-D-T-F-A IS THE ENTITY THAT COLLECTS THAT TAX FOR THE CITY OF LONG BEACH AND THEY HAVE TO APPROVE TO COLLECT THAT TAX TAX. 
          CURRENTLY THE CITY OF LONG BEACH IS ACTIVELY WORKING ON OBTAINING THAT APPROVAL AND THAT APPROVAL, UM, IS BASED UPON THE CFA'S, UM, YOU KNOW, INTERPRETATION OF OUR 2020 MEASURE A AS WELL AS THE COUNTY MEASURE A, THE 2024 COUNTY MEASURE A THAT CHANGED THE SUNSET DATE OF RANCH BEACH. 
          SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE ACTIVELY WORKING ON AND I DO NOT HAVE A TIMELINE TO PROVIDE YOU, BUT THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THAT. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHY THE PROJECTION OF THE INCREASE FROM THE 0.75 TO ONE IS IN FY 28 BECAUSE WE'RE RELYING ON THE, UM, ORIGINAL SUNSET DATE OCTOBER 1ST, 2027 UNTIL WE CAN GET APPROVAL OF THE CDTF 80 PLUS CONSERVATIVE PROJECTION. 
          I MEAN, I'M A LAWYER SO I'M GONNA LEAVE THE THE MONEY AND GO UP TO THE MONEY FOLKS, BUT YES. 
          SO THEN THE BUDGET THAT'S BEING ANALYZED NOW FOR NEXT YEAR IS ASSUMING THE CONSERVATIVE APPROACH OF ONLY 0.75%, BUT IF WE WERE ON THE OTHER SIDE, WE THEORETICALLY WOULD BE PROJECTING THE NEXT FISCAL YEARS IN THE 80 TO 90 RANGE FOR FISCAL YEAR 26 TO 27. 
          SO 66.7 WOULD BE 88.91. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO WHEN WILL THE TAX PAYERS KNOW WHEN THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN? BECAUSE IT'S EVENTUALLY GONNA IMPACT MY, MY SALES TAX IS SUPPOSED TO GO UP, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          THE, ISN'T THIS THE ALLOCATION, THE C-D-T-F-A WILL WILL NOTIFY ALL SALES TAX PERMIT HOLDERS IF AND WHEN THEIR RATE GOES UP? YEAH. 
          SO THE STATE, SO, AND THEN UNTIL THAT HAPPENED, EVEN THOUGH IT SAID FOUR ONE, NOTHING'S GONNA HAPPEN AS OF THEORETICALLY APRIL, IF IT HAPPENED IN JUNE, NOT UNTIL JUNE DO I HAVE THAT INCREASED SALES TAX AND THAT'S WHEN WE'RE PAYING THE EXTRA MONEY. 
          IT WILL DEPEND ON THE TIMING OF THE CDTA APPROVAL. 
          I THINK THAT, I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE DIDN'T KNOW THAT THAT WAS HAPPENING TO COUNTY MEASURE A AND THAT THAT'S WHAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN TO OUR SALES TAX AND THAT WE WOULD BE THE HIGHEST IN THE STATE IN THE COUNTRY. 
          THERE'S A FEW PEOPLE THAT ONLY HAD THAT 10.75% THAT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHEN THE PUBLIC HEARS THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, QUESTION BACK ON SLIDE 11. 
          I I LIKE THIS A LOT BETTER AND, AND THAT, THAT WE'RE BREAKING IT DOWN THIS WAY AND WHERE WE'RE GETTING TO BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE I WAS DOING MY PERCENTAGES OFF OF IT. 
          THE, THE ONE THING I WOULD ASK IS THAT THIS IS AN ALLOCATION USE OF CURRENT DOLLARS. 
          AND SO I THINK BONDS THROWING IT IN THERE IS SKEWING IT INAPPROPRIATELY BECAUSE REALLY YOU'RE BORROWING FROM THE FUTURE TO, TO DO TODAY BASED ON THIS WONDERFUL ANALYSIS THAT'S BE HAPPENING TO, TO TO SAVE MONEY. 
          SO IN MY MIND, I WOULD PREFER TO SEE THAT BELOW THE LINE AND SAYING, AND THEN ADDITIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE 'CAUSE IT'S ONLY GONNA HAPPEN THEORETICALLY THREE TIMES, RIGHT? SO IT, IT IS TOTAL FISCAL YEAR EARNINGS OF THE THING. 
          SO I WOULD PREFER TO SEE IT 67 73 AND THEN IN FISCAL YEAR 23 ONLY SHOWING 93 AND, AND THE TOTALS. 
          AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT YOUR PERCENTAGES, IT CHANGES 
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THE STORY BECAUSE WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS THAT THE REALITY IS BASED ON YOUR PERCENTAGES, WE WERE SPENDING 26% IN FISCAL YEAR 17 ON PUBLIC SAFETY AND 70 SOME ODD PERCENT IN INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          AND THEN BASED ON CURRENT DOLLARS, IT'S GONNA BE NOW FLIPPED 62% IN OPERATIONS GOING TO PUBLIC SAFETY AND ONLY 24% GOING TO INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          SO I THINK TO BE IN A SPIRIT OF TRANSPARENCY, WE NEED TO COMMUNICATE TO PEOPLE SAYING YOU'RE MEASURING DOLLARS, 60 SOME ODD PERCENT IS SUPPORTING, UH, EXISTING PUBLIC SAFETY AND THEN EXIT PERCENTAGES HERE. 
          AND THEN NOW WE CAN SAY THESE OTHER BONDS AND ALL THAT OTHER KIND OF STUFF. 
          UM, CHAIR IN, IN THE SPIRIT OF TRANSPARENCY, THAT SEEMS CLARIFICATION. 
          SURE. 
          IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING IN UNDER, UNDER, UM, THE SECOND BANK OF WHITE NUMBERS INFRASTRUCTURE CIP BOND PROGRAM. 
          YES. 
          IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE SUGGESTING THAT BE DROPPED BELOW THE LINE TO ONE OF THE OTHER BOLDFACED ONES. 
          IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING? BELOW THE TOTAL? BELOW THE TOTAL. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE IT IS WAY BELOW THE LINE BECAUSE THE TOP PART IS PER FISCAL YEAR UHHUH TO THROW BOND MONEY THAT YOU'RE REALLY BORROWING IT FROM 30 YEARS OUT TO BRING IT UP TODAY TO SPEND IT. 
          THAT'S NOT TALKING ABOUT THE FISCAL YEAR EARNINGS AND EXPENDITURES. 
          THAT'S WHAT THIS, THE WAY I SAW THIS SLIDE AT IS HERE'S HOW MUCH WE SPENT ON OUR CURRENT YEAR EARNINGS, NOT ABOUT FUTURE EARNINGS BECAUSE IT REALLY IS, BECAUSE WHAT I'M AFRAID OF IS THAT YOU DO THIS AND YOU SAY, LOOK, WE SPENT 109 MILLION ON INFRASTRUCTURE ON OUR MEASURE. 
          $80. 
          NO YOU DID NOT. 
          YOU ONLY SPENT 42 PLUS THE SEVEN. 
          SO YOU SPENT 50. 
          THE OTHER 60 WAS WHAT YOU BORROWED FROM YOUR FUTURE TO PAY IN ONE TIME IN IN CIP BUDGETS. 
          BUT WHETHER WE BORROWED IT OR WHETHER WE USE PAY AS YOU GO, WE STILL ALLOCATE IT. 
          ITS INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE SOURCE IS, IT'S STILL BEING SPENT INFRASTRUCTURE, IS IT NOT? YES IT IS, BUT BUT A CURRENT YEAR EARNINGS IS HOW MUCH IS GOING TO INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          THAT'S WHAT THAT BOTTOM LINE IS SHOWING IN MY MIND IS CURRENT YEAR EARNINGS EXPENDED. 
          UH, THE BOND IS JUST GONNA HAPPEN THREE TIMES. 
          AND, AND I THINK IT IS, WE'RE SETTING A TREND THAT I WOULD, AGAIN, TRYING TO SHOW WHERE WE'RE SPENDING OUR MONEY TO BE TRANSPARENT. 
          OUR CURRENT YEAR EARNINGS, THIS IS HOW MUCH WE'RE SPENDING. 
          I THINK YOU'RE JUST ASKING FOR ANOTHER SUB TOTAL IN HERE BASICALLY SO THAT YOU HAVE A SUB TOTAL OF BASICALLY MEASURE A USES ADD IN THE BOND FUND AND THEN SO ANOTHER SUB. 
          SO RIGHT THERE IT JUST SAYS TOTAL CURRENT YEAR EXPENDITURES. 
          AND THEN YOU COULD SAY, AND THEN NOW HERE'S BOND CIP. 
          AND THEN YOU SHOW THAT AMOUNT AND THEN IT SHOWS THE BIGGER NUMBERS. 
          UH, GOOD. 
          IT'S KIND OF AN ECONOMIC AND A, AND A FINANCIAL TRUTH THAT NO MATTER THE SOURCE, BUT YOU'RE NOT LISTING THAT THAT HE PUT IN ANOTHER SUBTITLE. 
          YEAH. 
          WE SAY WE DIDN'T SPEND 60 MILLION, WHICH WE DID SPEND. 
          THAT'S CLEARLY MS. LEE. 
          WELL, NO, BECAUSE AGAIN, IF I TAKE A SECOND MORTGAGE AGAINST MY HOUSE TO DO ALL THESE PROJECTS, THEN YES, I SPEND ALL THIS MONEY IN THIS YEAR. 
          BUT THE REALITY IS I'M GONNA BE PAYING IT FOR 30 YEARS. 
          AND SO IN THAT CASE THERE, YOU'RE GONNA BE PAYING THAT FOR 30 YEARS. 
          YEAH. 
          SO AS A PERSONAL PERSON, THE WAY I SEE IT, AGAIN, I'M JUST TRYING TO ALLOCATE OF OUR CURRENT DOLLARS, HOW MUCH ARE WE ALLOCATING TOWARDS INFRASTRUCTURE? HOW MUCH ARE WE ALLOCATING TOWARDS PUBLIC SAFETY? THE BOND MONEY IS BORROWING FROM THE FUTURE TO USE TODAY TO HELP SAVE ON PROJECTS. 
          SO ALL I'M SAYING IS YOU CAN MAKE THAT LINE THAT SAYS TOTAL CURRENT YEAR FUNDS TO TIE AGAINST THE MEASURE A EXPENDITURE. 
          AND THEN BELOW THAT YOU CAN SAY ADDITIONAL BOND FUNDS THAT ARE ADVANCED OR WHATEVER. 
          PUT THAT. 
          AND THEN YOU CAN STILL HAVE YOUR MA MAJOR TOTAL. 
          BUT IF WE'RE GONNA COMPARE PERCENTAGES OF WHAT WE'RE PAYING ANNUALLY OF THE, BECAUSE NEXT YEAR WHEN I GET 90 MILLION OR 60 MILLION, WHATEVER, HOW MUCH OF THAT 60 MILLION IS GOING TO INFRASTRUCTURE? HOW MUCH IS GOING TOWARDS ? THAT'S ALL WELL SHARE. 
          I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. 
          LET'S TAKE THE FIRST MORTGAGE EXAMPLE, NOT YOUR SECOND MORTGAGE. 
          LET'S TAKE THE FIRST MORTGAGE EXAMPLE. 
          IF I BUY A MILLION DOLLAR HOME IN LONG BEACH AND I PUT THE STANDARD 20% DOWN IN CASH AND THEN I TAKE OUT A MORTGAGE FOR THE 80% BY THIS LOGIC, IF SOMEBODY ASKED ME, HEY KEVIN, HOW MUCH DID YOU SPEND ON YOUR HOME? I WOULD SAY $200,000 FROM CURRENT VERTICALS. 
          BUT IN FACT, I SPENT A MILLION ON IT. 
          I HAPPEN TO BORROW 800,000 OF IT AND ONLY 200,000 OF WAS FROM CURRENT HERMES. 
          BUT I STILL SPENT A MILLION DOLLARS ON THE HOME. 
          AND 
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YEAH, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. 
          BUT TAKING THAT SAME THING, HOW, HOW MUCH OF MY CURRENT YEAR DOLLARS AM I ABLE TO USE TO USE TOWARDS EXPENDITURES TODAY? SO IT'S MY CURRENT YEAR DOLLARS WHEN I'M BORROWING FROM THE FUTURE. 
          AND, AND, AND, AND MAYBE THAT, THAT THAT MORTGAGE DOES NOT WORK BECAUSE IT IS SAYING I'M BORROWING TO REPAY TO DO SOMETHING TO BUY IT. 
          I'M TALKING ABOUT OF MY CURRENT YEAR DOLLARS, HOW MUCH IS GOING TOWARDS MORTGAGE AND PRINCIPAL AND THEN NOW TOWARDS HOME REPAIRS. 
          THE SECOND HOME LOAN WAS THE ONE THAT I WAS SAYING THE FIRST ONE BOUGHT THE HOUSE. 
          THERE'S YOUR MORTGAGE INTEREST. 
          IT'S MY SECOND HOME LOAN THAT I WOULD'VE NEVER HAD TO TAKE 'CAUSE I WAS GETTING SO MUCH MONEY ALLOCATED TO MY PROJECTS. 
          ALL I'M TRYING TO SAY IS HOW MUCH OF THAT IS PAYING OUT OF MY OUT, OUT OF MY DOLLARS A DAY? HOW MUCH AM I PAYING WE'RE USING FOR PROJECTS OUT OF MY CURRENT YEAR EARNINGS VERSUS THE FUTURE MONIES. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S JUST SEPARATE. 
          IT'S JUST IN MY MIND, HOW DO WE TIE TO THE REVENUE EARNED IN THE YEAR? WELL, AND PER MY LAST PRESENTATION, THE REVENUE EARNED IS LEVERAGING ALL THE BOND PROCEEDS THROUGH THE 30 YEAR DEBT PAYMENT SO THE PROJECTS CAN GET DONE. 
          AND THAT'S ACTUAL INFRASTRUCTURE SPENDING. 
          SO SLIDE EIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S YOUR EARNINGS. 
          SO CAN I, UH, SO I, I THINK WHAT HE, IT'S A USEFUL WAY TO LOOK AT IT. 
          I THINK WHAT HE'S SAYING IS, IS THIS IS A, THIS IS REVENUE, A REVENUE ANALYSIS OVER HERE. 
          AND SO YOU'RE, IF YOU USE THE HOUSE REVENUE, UM, EXAMPLE, YOU'D BE SAYING, OKAY, UM, IN FY 23, MY, I EARNED, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FROM MY JOB AND THEN I, I HAD ANOTHER MILLION DOLLARS FROM MY, THE HOUSE THAT I BOUGHT. 
          AND THAT BECOMES A REVENUE ITEM. 
          AND SO I THINK, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT PUTTING THE BOND PROCEEDS IN THERE DOES. 
          IT'S A, IT IS A, UM, IT'S, IT'S AN EXTRAORDINARY ITEM IN A WAY. 
          AND SO, UM, YES, YOU'RE, YOU'RE AND SO, BUT IT'S AN EXTRAORDINARY ITEM THAT'S GOING TOWARD INFRASTRUCTURE THAT GENERATIONS ARE GONNA PAY. 
          YEAH. 
          TODAY'S GENERATION IS ONLY PAYING 85.98 OF THIS WEEK. 
          SO I'M SAYING IF YOU PUT THESE TWO SLIDES TOGETHER, THE REVENUE NUMBERS HERE TO THESE EXPENDITURE NUMBERS THERE, THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE DOING EACH YEAR. 
          THAT 60 MILLION IN 80 MILLION ARE FUTURE MONIES. 
          IT'S GONNA BE PAID HERE OUT. 
          SO AT LEAST JUST RECONCILE TO THAT AND THEN SAY, OH YES, AND THEN HERE'S THIS EXTRA BOND MONEY THAT WE'RE USING IN INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          AND THEN YES, YOU CAN SAY YOU'RE SPENDING IT ON. 
          I'M NOT SAYING YOU'RE NOT SPENDING IT. 
          I THINK YOU ARE. 
          WE ARE. 
          BUT I JUST THINK THIS YEAR DOLLARS, LEMME ASK YOU THIS. 
          IF WE TOOK ALL $65 MILLION THEORETICAL QUESTION THOUGHT EXPERIMENT, IF WE TOOK ALL $68 MILLION AND PLEDGED A HUNDRED PERCENT OF IT TO DEBT SERVICE, THEREBY BORROWING A BILLION DOLLARS, WOULD YOU SAY WE WERE SPENDING ZERO ON INFRASTRUCTURE? 'CAUSE IT WAS ALL DEVOTED TO OH, OUR CURRENT YEAR DOLLARS. 
          YES. 
          SPENDING AND HOW IS THAT A USEFUL CONSTRUCT? ISN'T THE PURPOSE OF MEASURE A TO BUILD INFRASTRUCTURE? WELL THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT, BUT, BUT ACCORDING TO THAT, IT IS MORE THAN HALF IS TO MAINTAIN OUR PUBLIC SAFETY INSTEAD OF PAYING IT OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND. 
          SO I JUST THINK FOR THE CURRENT YEAR DOLLARS THAT YOU'VE EARNED OFF OF MEASURE A OF THAT MONEY, HOW MUCH IS GOING TO INFRASTRUCTURE AND HOW MUCH IS GOING TOWARDS OPERATIONS BUDGET? THAT IS ALL THAT THIS IS TRYING TO DO. 
          SO IN MY MIND SO THAT PEOPLE CAN SEE THIS IS WHERE YOUR TAX DOLLARS ARE GOING AND YES, WE'RE BORROWING FUTURE DOLLAR. 
          AND THE OTHER THING THAT IT DOES IS IT HIGHLIGHTS THAT THIS IS BOND MONEY AND THAT PEOPLE CAN SEE THAT YES, YOU'RE GETTING THIS ONE TIME BOND INFUSION, ANOTHER BOND INFUSION, ANOTHER BOND INFUSION NO MORE. 
          'CAUSE NOW YOU'RE GONNA BE USING 10 PLUS PERCENT OF IT TO PAY IT OFF IN THE FUTURE. 
          'CAUSE THERE'S THAT, ONE THING THAT WE HAVE TO BE REMINDED IS THAT 10% OF POTENTIAL THAT WE'RE EARNING IS PAYING FOR THE BOND WORK. 
          RIGHT? YEP. 
          I SEE WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM STAFF AND MY IMPRESSION IS CITY COUNCIL HAVE TENDED TO LOOK AT MEASURE A AS A WAY TO MAINTAIN PUBLIC SAFETY AND ALSO INCLUDE INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          I AGREE. 
          AND THEY HAVE NOT TENDED TO THINK ABOUT IT IN TERMS OF PERCENTAGE OF CURRENT USE. 
          BUT YOU'RE NOW ASKING THAT QUESTION, YOU'RE NOT POSING THAT POST. 
          YES. 
          AND I'M ALSO POSING THE QUESTION BECAUSE AGAIN, AS WE IMPROVE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND SPENDING THIS MONEY TOWARDS OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AS PROMISED EIGHT YEARS AGO, ARE WE GETTING BETTER? THAT'S A TOTALLY SEPARATE QUESTION. 
          THAT'S THE NEXT TOPIC. 
          WHAT'S BEING ALLOCATED? I KNOW, BUT I THINK THE ALLOCATION HELPS US KNOW 
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WHERE WE'RE SPENDING IT AND THEN WE CAN ADDRESS THE, ARE WE GETTING BETTER? I UNDERSTAND WHAT BOTH OF YOU WERE SAYING. 
          OKAY. 
          AND CAN I JUST ADD ONE ADDITIONAL COMMENT YES. 
          TO THE CONVERSATION? YEAH. 
          AND I DEFINITELY SEE THE BOTH SIDES AND I LOVE THE IDEA OF JUST ITEMIZING IT BECAUSE INTERPRETATION IS IMPORTANT AND HOW PEOPLE LIKE TO SEE WHERE THINGS ARE. 
          AND THEN WHEN WE DO LOOK AT AND THE COMMITTEE STARTS LOOKING AT HOW THE ALLOCATIONS ARE FROM, I JUST REALLY WANNA, UM, REREAD THIS, THIS IMPORTANT TOPIC OF THAT TAX RATE ITSELF BECAUSE THE STRUCTURAL FUNDING IN THE OPERATIONAL SIDE DOESN'T REALLY CHANGE UNLESS WE TAKE PRODUCTIONS LAYOFF, PUBLIC SAFETY SERVICE AND SUCH. 
          SO WE HAVE A WINDOW FROM FY 23 CURRENTLY, UH, SCHEDULED THROUGH F BY 28, WHERE WE DO HAVE THAT REDUCED TAX RATE WHERE YOU LOOK AT JUST THE REVENUE, THERE'S JUST MORE LIMITATION OF WHAT COULD BE ALLOCATED ON A ONE TIME BASIS. 
          BUT DO CONSIDER WHEN WE RETURN BACK TO 1%, WHETHER THAT BE SOONER OR FFY 28, THAT IS A LARGE INFLUX FOR ONE TIME FUNDS JUST TO BE LOOKED AT AND SEEING HOW THE FUTURE OF MEASURE A IS IS POST. 
          SO WE DO HAVE THIS LITTLE WINDOW WHERE THERE ARE SOME CHANGES OF THE ALLOCATION, BUT THERE'S OPPORTUNITY IN THE FUTURE ONCE WE HAVE THAT FULL. 
          AND I THINK THEN USING THAT SAME LOGIC AND TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE FUTURE 1% IS GONNA BE TOWARDS THE TOTAL BUDGET AND ITS EXPENDITURES, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO HIGHLIGHT ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY SIDE. 
          AND AGAIN, MY UNDERSTANDING IS WHEN WE VOTED FOR THIS, IT WAS TO MAINTAIN AND ENHANCE A LOT OF WHAT WE LOST TO RESTORE SOME OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY. 
          RIGHT. 
          I KNOW THAT. 
          AND I, I I UNDERSTAND THAT CLEARLY. 
          WHAT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IS THE HEAD CONCEPT. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU SHOW A A, A SMALL SLIDE THAT STARTED SHOWING THAT IN THE LAST MEETING. 
          AND I, AND, AND WHEN WE GET IN THIS  COMMITTEE, I WANNA UNDERSTAND THAT BETTER OF PRE MEASURE A, HERE'S WHAT OUR HEAD COUNTS WERE LIKE, AND THEN SHOW THAT SAFETY GOT BETTER. 
          THAT WE DID GROW IN HEAD COUNT, THAT WE SHOW ALL THESE RESTORATIONS AND YEAH, WE WERE AT A TOTAL OF 140 HEAD COUNT AND NOW WE'RE AT 190 HEAD COUNT. 
          BECAUSE THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE SAYING MEASURE A, MEASURE A WAS NEVER MEANT TO PAY THE 140 MEASURE A WAS TO PAY THE ENHANCEMENTS AND GROWING IT. 
          SO THAT'S ALL I WANT TO SEE THAT GROWTH THERE. 
          'CAUSE THEN THAT SHOWS WE GOT BETTER, WE HAVE A MUCH MORE, YOU KNOW, MORE FIRE, MORE SAFETY, MORE EMT THAN WE HAD IN 2015. 
          LET'S SHOW THAT. 
          AND THEN THE SAME THING WITH INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          HERE'S THE CONDITION OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          LET'S SHOW THAT WE GOT BETTER. 
          SO DID WE GET BETTER ON PUBLIC SAFETY, MORE PERSONNEL, MORE DIVISIONS, MORE ON THIS IN EIGHT YEARS. 
          AND THE SAME THING IN INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          THAT'S THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE HERE. 
          HI CHAIR. 
          JUST DOING A TIME CHECK. 
          UH, WE WERE SCHEDULED TO END TODAY AT FOUR 30. 
          AND IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, I WANNA BE MINDFUL OF EVERYONE'S SCHEDULES. 
          UM, I'LL LET EVERYONE FINISH THEIR THOUGHTS ON THIS AGENDA ITEM. 
          HOWEVER, WE STILL HAVE ONE MORE AGENDA ITEM ON THE SCHEDULE. 
          UM, I'M WONDERING IF THE COMMITTEE MIGHT BE WILLING TO LAY THIS VOTE TO LAY THIS OVER TO THE NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING. 
          THAT WOULD BE MAY 26TH. 
          UH, APRIL? NO, NO, THAT WAS JUST FOR THE, WELL, MAYBE WE CAN MOVE IT TO THE APRIL THEN AND HAVE ONE AGENDA ITEM THERE IF WE WANT. 
          I MEAN, IN MY MIND WE CAN LET THEM DO THE PRESENTATION AND I THINK WE CAN, WE'LL CLOSE IT BOTH QUICK. 
          UM, CAN WE, NO QUESTIONS. 
          APOLOGIZE. 
          CAN UH, ARE WE DONE WITH DISCUSSION ON THE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX? YES. 
          OKAY, LET'S DO A VOTE AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS THE, OKAY. 
          COURT, PLEASE CALL FOR THE VOTE ON MEMBER SIX. 
          ITEM SIX. 
          MEMBER HOWARD. 
          YES. 
          MEMBER OJO. 
          YES. 
          VICE CHAIR. 
          AMY? YES. 
          CHAIR CRUZ? YES. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, SO ARE WE OKAY WITH TIME TO AT LEAST SEE THE PRESENTATION ON, UH, NUMBER SEVEN, THE LAST ITEM? WELL, I THINK IT WOULD, I, I'M WONDERING IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, YOU MIGHT BE WILLING TO LAY IT OVER OR WE'RE JUST REALLY, OR AGAINST CLOCK. 
          IT IS 37 SLIDES JUST AT  AND IT WOULD BE MY EXPECTATION THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME REALLY GREAT QUESTIONS AFTERWARDS. 
          SO JUST BEING REALISTIC ABOUT, UM, THE TIMES ON THAT. 
          UM, IF YOU WERE TO LAY IT OVER, IT WOULD GO TO THE NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING. 
          SO NOT THE APRIL 7TH, BUT THE MAY 20. 
          WHAT, WHAT ON MAY 26TH? WELL, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY REGULAR SCHEDULE UNTIL WE SCHEDULED APRIL. 
          CAN WE ADD IT TO THE 
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APRIL? 'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S THIS PIECE SPECIAL, BUT ALL OF THESE WE WERE ESTABLISHING REGULAR MEETING. 
          SO WHAT MAKES THAT DIFFERENCE THAT WE'RE SAYING ESTABLISHED? YEAH. 
          YES, IT WOULD JUST BE FRIENDLY MOTION CHAIR WOULD BE A FRIENDLY MOTION TO LAY, UM, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN OVER TO THE SPECIAL MEETING SCHEDULE FOR A SEVEN. 
          WE HAVE THAT IS BECAUSE IF WE, THIS LEADS TO A CONVERSATION INFRASTRUCTURE AND THAT IS ONE OF THE TWO BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WE COULD THEORETICALLY FOR THE BUDGET TO GIVE THEM THE SUPPORT TO DO OUR ANALYSIS. 
          UM, ACTUALLY, UM, I'M SORRY, CHAIR. 
          WE JUST CAN'T, WE NEED, WE CAN'T HAVE ANY BACK AND FORTH ON IT. 
          UM, IF YOU WANT TO HAVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, THEN I'M JUST WANNA BE MINDFUL OF EVERYONE'S TIME. 
          IF WE'RE BUMPING AFTER FIVE AND I KNOW THAT WE HAVE, YOU WOULD HAVE TO DECIDE IF YOU WANNA LAY IT OVER OR NOT. 
          THAT'S THE QUESTION IN TERMS OF SUBSTANCES, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I'M, I'M JUST HEARING THAT, THAT THE COMMITTEE'S GOOD WITH US ENDING THE MEETING AND THAT WE'RE MOVING THIS FORWARD. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT, CAN WE GET A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO LISTEN TO THIS PRESENTATION ON THE APRIL 1ST AND THEN WE DISCUSS THE TWO AD HOC COMMITTEES AS TO WHERE THEY'RE GONNA GO? ARE Y'ALL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? APRIL 7TH, BUT YEAH, THE APRIL 7TH. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH, APRIL 7TH. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, OKAY, SO THEN, SO, SO WHAT DO I NEED TO DO HERE? SURE. 
          AND JUST FOR CLARITY, BECAUSE WE ALREADY, UM, SO JUST FOR THIS, UM, AGENDA ITEM SEVEN, IT WOULD JUST BE LAYING THIS OVER THIS ITEM OVER TO THE APRIL 7TH MEETING. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WE'RE MAKING A MOTION TO MOVE APRIL, THIS SEVENTH AGENDA ITEM TO THE FIRST ITEM ON APRIL 7TH MEETING. 
          SO THAT IS CORRECT. 
          THE SECOND, SO FOR THE RECORD, THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO LAY THIS ITEM OVER TO THE SPECIAL MEETING OF APRIL 7TH. 
          THAT'S THE MOTION. 
          OKAY. 
          CAN I GET A MOTION ON THAT ITEM TO MOVE THIS TO THE APRIL 7TH MEETING? SO MOVE. 
          CAN I GET A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT'S BEEN MOVED BY MEMBER AMY AND SECONDED BY MEMBER POWER TO MOVE THIS ITEM ON APRIL 7TH, FIRST. 
          SECOND. 
          AND WE, AND WE, AND WE STILL NEED TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          IS THERE THAT WE'RE PLEASE CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS ITEM. 
          IF ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. 
          NO PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          CHAIR MEMBERS ARE THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON ITEM CLERK, PLEASE CALL FOR VOTE YES. 
          MEMBER HOWARD. 
          YES. 
          MEMBER OCHOA. 
          YES. 
          VICE CHAIR AMY? YES. 
          CHAIR CRUZ. 
          YES. 
          MOTION CARRIES AT THIS TIME. 
          UH, THAT, THAT'S IT. 
          SO WE'LL TAKE, UH, ANY NON AGENDA, PUBLIC COMMENTS. 
          CLERK, PLEASE CALL FOR COMMENT. 
          IF ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. 
          AND WE HAVE A HAND RAISED BEHIND YOU. 
          CHAIR. 
          THIS IS NON AGENDA ITEMS, RIGHT? NON AGENDA, CORRECT? YES, I KNOW. 
          I GUESS THIS IS A GOOD, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR MEMBERS. 
          I'M SHARON WEISSMAN, VICE PRESIDENT OF PUBLIC AFFAIRS, PAST PRESIDENT AND EXECUTIVE BOARD MEMBER FOR THE LONG BEACH PUBLIC LIBRARY FOUNDATION. 
          I'M WELL AWARE THAT IT'S THE CITY COUNCIL THAT MAKES THE FINAL DECISION ON HOW MEASURE A MONEY IS SPENT, BUT IS MEMBERS OF THE CAC IS CRITICAL THAT YOU KNOW THE NEEDS OF OUR LIBRARIES. 
          AS SOMEONE WHO WORKED MORE THAN FULL TIME ON MEASURE A, I'M WELL AWARE OF THE CITY'S COMMITMENT TO SPEND THE FUNDS ON BOTH INFRASTRUCTURE AND PUBLIC SAFETY. 
          OUR LIBRARY SYSTEM IS OPEN TO ALL. 
          NO ONE WONDERS IF THEY'RE WELCOME AT THE LIBRARY, WHAT TO WEAR OR IF THEY'LL BE ASKED IF THEY'RE A CITIZEN. 
          AND EVEN THOUGH ALL ARE WELCOME, THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF OUR LIBRARIES IS NOT ALWAYS WELCOME. 
          TWO OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD LIBRARIES ARE ALMOST A HUNDRED YEARS OLD. 
          SEVEN ARE BETWEEN 75 AND 50 YEARS OLD, AND ONE WAS BUILT IN 1970. 
          AND NOT TALKING ABOUT THE MICHELLE OBAMA LIBRARY OR OUR MAIN LIBRARY, WHICH ARE FAIRLY NEW BUILDINGS IN SOME OF OUR LIBRARIES, THE BATHROOMS ARE NOT A DA ACCESSIBLE AT A LIBRARY. 
          THE ROOF LEAKS AND STAFF HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER TO CLOSE THE LIBRARY OR MOVE SOME OF THE BOOKS. 
          I'LL NOT GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE LIST OF THE PROBLEMS HERE TODAY. 
          I WILL SAY ALL 10 OF 
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THOSE LIBRARIES ARE OLD AND OUTDATED. 
          THE FURNITURE AND THE CHAIRS ARE NOT COMFORTABLE. 
          THEY LACK UNNECESSARY TECHNOLOGY AND EQUIPMENT. 
          MOST OF THE COMMUNITY ROOMS ARE NOT ABLE TO HOLD CONTINUITIES BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE PROPER FURNITURE OR TECHNOLOGY. 
          THEY'RE HOPEFULLY UPDATED. 
          THEY ARE SORELY IN NEED OF MODERNIZATION. 
          FOR 25% OF OUR POPULATION THAT DOESN'T HAVE HIGH SPEED INTERNET AT HOME, OUR LIBRARIES ARE THE PLACE THAT THEY GO. 
          IT IS ALSO A PLACE TO USE THE INTERNET, USE A COMPUTER, RECEIVE DIGITAL LITERACY, LITERACY TRAINING, AND UM, LOOK FOR A JOB OR GET HELP WITH YOUR HOME. 
          OUR LIBRARIES ARE EXTREMELY UNDERFUNDED. 
          THEY'RE CLOSED MORE HOURS THAN THEY'RE OPEN. 
          THEY DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH FUNDS TO PURCHASE MATERIALS IN THE MANY LANGUAGES SPOKEN IN OUR CITY. 
          THESE ARE DIGITAL NOR PRINTED. 
          TO EXPECT OUR LIBRARIES TO USE THEIR VERY LIMITED FUNDS FOR INFRASTRUCTURE OR REPAIRS, LET ALONE MODERNIZATION, IS SIMPLY NOT FEASIBLE. 
          THE LIBRARY'S FOUNDATION'S REQUEST IS TO ALLOCATE $5 MILLION A YEAR FROM MEASURE A WITH AN INFLATION FACTOR OF 3.7% FOR 10 YEARS TO REPAIR, REFURBISH, AND MODERNIZE OUR 10 OLDEST LIBRARIES, STARTING WITH THE LIBRARY'S MOST IN REPAIR. 
          IF YOU SEE BONDS AGAINST MEASURE A INFRASTRUCTURE REVENUES, THE TIMELINE COULD BE SEEN. 
          I WOULD ASK YOU TO BE BOLD AND RECOMMEND THE INVESTMENT THAT SERVES OUR ENTIRE CITY. 
          THE $5 MILLION NUMBER WAS DERIVED FROM THE COSTS. 
          OTHER CITIES HAVE SERVED ON THE REPAIR, REFURBISHMENT, AND MODERNIZATION OF THEIR LIBRARIES. 
          OBVIOUSLY, THE LIBRARY WILL WORK WITH PUBLIC WORKS TO DEVELOP A COST FOR EACH LIBRARY. 
          I'M GRATEFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS YOU TODAY AND WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THIS WITH ANY OF YOU NOW OR IN THE FUTURE. 
          I HOPE THE LIBRARY, FOUNDATION AND THE COMMUNITY CAN CARRY ON YOUR SUPPORT. 
          THANK YOU, UH, CLARK. 
          IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE I DO WITH THE PUBLIC COMMENT? THAT'S IT. 
          GREAT. 
          THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC EYE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          IF THERE IS NO OBJECTION, I DECLARE THE MEETING ADJOURNED. 
          FOUR 50. 
          SORRY WE TOOK YOU LONGER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OH.
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