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THE SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING.UM, LET'S, LET'S CALL IT TO ORDER TO YOUR ROLL CALL.
AND FOR THE FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA, WHICH IS A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR THE POLICY SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING OF MONDAY, MARCH 10TH, 2025.
UM, ANY DISCUSSION OR REVISIONS? ALL RIGHT.
LOOKS LIKE EVERYONE, I ALSO APPROVE THAT.
ALRIGHT, ITEM NUMBER TWO, RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE A DISCUSSION ON THE DRAFT 2025 ALMOST SERVICES, ADVISORY COMMITTEE POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.
ALRIGHT, LET'S HAVE SOME DISCUSSION.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I, WE HAD SOME DISCUSSION IN OUR LAST MEETING ABOUT OUR POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS.
DOUG, I KNOW YOU REFERENCED THE EVERYONE HOME, UH, DOCUMENT AND NUMBERS AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THAT.
I HAD HEARD PAUL SAY IN A RECENT MEETING, AND I WONDER IF OTHERS CAN CONFIRM THIS FROM THE CITY.
I HAD HEARD HIM SAY, OH, WE DIDN'T THINK THE NUMBERS WERE RELIABLE AND EVERYONE HOME PLAN.
SO WE, THE CITY HAS ABANDONED USING THOSE GOALS.
IS THAT ACCURATE THAT THE EVERYONE HOME IS NOT A BENCHMARK THAT THE CITY IS USING? OR CAN YOU GIVE US MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT? I DON'T REMEMBER HIM SAYING THAT, BUT I DO KNOW THAT THIS WAS THE, THE NEW, UH, PLAN THAT IS IN PLACE WILL BE THE ONE THAT WILL TAKE OVER THE EVERYONE HOME.
BUT I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY DON'T, THEY'RE NOT USING THE EVERYONE HOME QUESTION.
SO, YEAH, I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT.
UM, I INTERPRET IT AS THE ORIGINAL NUMBERS AND NUMERICAL TARGETS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THE MEASUREMENTS, THE HOMELESS COUNT AND ALL OF THAT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN ACCURATE.
BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT IS THE REVISION OF THE EVERYONE HOME PLAN GOING TO KEEP ALL OF THE EVERYONE HOME RECOMMENDATIONS? BECAUSE I'VE READING THROUGH IT A COUPLE TIMES, I THINK THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE ALL GOOD AND, YOU KNOW, MAY NEED TO CHANGE TARGETS, DO THINGS IN A DIFFERENT WAY, BUT IT'S VERY COMPREHENSIVE.
AND SO IF THERE'S THINKING THAT THE CITY'S JUST GONNA TAKE IT AND PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT THEY WANT, I HAVE A CONCERN WITH THAT.
AND THAT WAS A BIG COMMITTEE OF EXPERTS, REPRESENTATIVES AND IT WAS SUPPORTED BY THE CITY.
SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A GROUP OF RECOMMENDATIONS.
WILL WE GET ANOTHER, UM, UPDATE FROM SAVANNAH AND WE CAN ASK, WE CAN FOLLOW UP WITH THEM AND SEE WHAT THEY SAY MAYBE LATER THIS YEAR.
JUST ONE LITTLE THING ATTACHED TO THAT.
SO YEAH, IF THAT IS, IF THE WHOLE THING I HAVE ABOUT EVERYONE IS, I, I BELIEVE IT'S A PRETTY GOOD, YOU KNOW, KIND OF, UM, GROUND GROUNDED POINT TO START WITH IN TERMS OF RECOMMENDATIONS AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF REASONS WHY COVID AND OTHERS WHY, AND THE DATA INITIALLY MAY NOT HAVE BEEN GOOD, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHEN I INTERPRETED THEM COMING, THEY DIDN'T TALK ABOUT CHANGING IT.
THEY KIND OF WENT THROUGH THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND WANTED OUR FEEDBACK.
SO I INTERPRETED THAT AS THEY'RE GONNA KEEP THE RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT YOU KNOW, MAYBE EMPHASIZE DE-EMPHASIZE OR SET DIFFERENT TARGETS.
AND IF THEY DON'T OR IF THEY'RE NOT SURE, THEN WE MIGHT WANT TO MAKE THAT A RECOMMENDATION.
I, FROM MY RECOLLECTION, THE EVERYONE HOME IS VERY, UM, CONSISTENT WITH OTHER PRIOR REPORTS, WHETHER IT BE FOR LONG BEACH, LA, SAN DIEGO.
I MEAN, THOSE, THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE, ARE IT FOR HOMELESSNESS THERE FOUNDATIONAL.
SO THERE ISN'T ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE INVENTED OR REINVENTED.
THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE WHAT ARE, ARE TYPICAL OF THOSE TYPES OF REPORTS.
SO I WOULD GUESS THAT THE NEXT VERSION WILL BE SIMILAR, BUT WE'LL HAVE SOME PRESENTATION, UM, TO BE DONE DIFFERENTLY SPEAKING.
HAVE MORE OF A DIALOGUE ABOUT THAT.
SPEAKING OF TYPICAL, I BELIEVE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS
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FROM LAST YEAR DO SORT OF FIT IN WHAT EVERYONE HOME WAS SEEKING TO ACHIEVE.AND SO I SENT OUT, UM, SOME REVISED LANGUAGE BASED ON OUR, THAT'S MY PERSONAL
NUMBER ONE ABOUT INCREASING THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE SHELTERED.
THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SHOULD IT BE, SHOULD WE BE SEEKING TO RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY INCREASE THE NUMBER OF SHELTER BEDS OR SHOULD WE BE, UM, CONTINUING THE RECOMMENDATION FROM LAST YEAR OF LET'S INCREASE THE PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE SHELTER.
SO THE WAY THAT I ATTEMPTED TO ADDRESS THAT IN THE DRAFT FOR THE COMMITTEE TO REVIEW, IT'S KIND OF SAID THOSE TWO THINGS ARE TIED TOGETHER AND SAID, UM, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD, THE CITY SHOULD ADOPT A QUANTIFIABLE GOAL OF INCREASING SHELTER RATES FOR PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS SINCE THE CURRENT RATE IS 27%.
UM, AND THAT LEADS TO, TO BAD OUTCOMES FOR THIS POPULATION.
UM, AND THEN SAID THAT BENCHMARKS SHOULD BE SET, AS WE SAID LAST YEAR FOR 2026 AND 2030, UM, INCLUDING THE TOTAL NUMBER OF SHELTER BEDS THE CITY WILL SEEK TO MAKE AVAILABLE THROUGH ITS OWN FACILITIES.
AND TIED TO THAT ALSO THE GOAL OF SHELTERING 40% OF PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS IN 2026 AND 60% IN 2030.
SO BASICALLY I ADDED THAT THERE SHOULD BE AN INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF SHELTER BEDS AND THE RESULT OF THAT TOTAL NUMBER OF AVAILABLE SHELTER BEDS SHOULD BE SHELTERING A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF THE POPULATION THAT'S RECOMMENDED LAST YEAR.
UM, AND WE, WE'LL UPDATE SOME OF THESE NUMBERS AS SOON AS WE GET THE RESULTS OF THE POINT IN TIME COUNT, WHICH SHOULD COME UP LATER THIS MONTH.
WHAT DO PEOPLE THINK ABOUT THAT? OKAY.
UM, SO I HAD SENT TO YOU GUYS, AND I'M SORRY THAT I DIDN'T REMEMBER THIS WHEN WE WERE DOING OUR FIRST POLICY RECOMMENDATION MEMO, UM, I HAD SENT THE LAST, UM, ANNUAL REPORT THAT HAD PAYS ACT DID, WHICH WAS DONE IN MARCH 1ST, 2019.
AND, UM, IT WASN'T SO MUCH THE INFORMATION IN IT, BUT SORT OF THE FORMATTING OF IT.
AND, UM, AND SO, UM, BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH OUR, OUR, UM, CITY CHARTER SAYS THAT WE ARE TO REVIEW EXISTING HOMELESSNESS PROGRAMS, UM, AND HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE ARIAN COUNCIL, UM, IT DOESN'T MAKE THAT A REQUIREMENT.
BUT WE ARE AS A ADVISORY COMMITTEE, UM, I'M MANDATED TO HAVE AN ANNUAL REPORT, WHICH WE'VE BEEN DELINQUENT ON FOR SIX YEARS NOW.
UM, BUT THAT'S OKAY BECAUSE I'VE TALKED TO OTHER, UM, PEOPLE ON OTHER COMMITTEES AND COMMISSIONS AND THEY ARE DOING THEIRS RIGHT NOW ALSO.
SO A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE DELINQUENT, UM, OR A LOT OF, UM, CITY OF WINDED BODIES ARE DELINQUENT, UM, BECAUSE OF, OF THE PANDEMIC AND ALL.
SO, UM, I GUESS I WANTED TO ALSO INTERJECT IN, IN, IN ADDITION TO THE ACTUAL POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS, IF WE COULD, UM, PRESENT IT AS AN ANNUAL REPORT JUST BECAUSE THE COUNCIL IS GONNA BE STARTING TO GET ANNUAL REPORTS FROM THE OTHER 20 SOME, UM, BODIES, UM, OF COMMISSIONS COMMITTEES AND BOARDS, CITY BOARDS.
UM, AND SO IT'S SORT OF A MORE FAMILIAR FORMAT FOR THEM, UM, INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, INTRODUCING IT AS IN THIS FORMAT.
SO, UM, THAT WAS ONE COMMENT THAT I HAD.
UM, AND THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PRESENTATION THAT'S NOT SO MUCH.
AND THEN AS, AS AN ANNUAL REPORT, WHAT WE WOULD DO IS, UM, MAYBE SUMMARIZE SOME OF THE GUEST SPEAKERS WE'VE HAD AT THE MEETING AND THEN CAN I, CAN I INTERJECT THERE? YES.
SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST IS THAT LAST YEAR FOR THIS WE SUMMARIZED OUR POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE POLICY SUBCOMMITTEE AND WE ALSO INCLUDED IN OUR POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS A BRIEF UPDATE ABOUT THE MAYOR'S FUND.
SO I WOULD LOVE TO PUT THIS IN A FORMAT THAT WILL FIT IN OUR ANNUAL REPORT, AND I THINK THE MAYOR'S FUND SHOULD DO THE SAME, BUT I THINK THE SUMMARY OF OUR SPEAKERS IS SEPARATE FROM BUSINESS OF THIS COMMITTEE.
AND SO I FEEL LIKE THAT SHOULD BE A FORWARD, THAT LIKE THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE PUTS AHEAD OF, OF WHAT OUR POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS ARE, ARE IN THE MM-HMM
SO I AM TOTALLY ON BOARD WITH PUTTING THIS IN
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A FORMAT THAT CAN BE INCLUDED IN THE ANNUAL REPORT MM-HMMUM, AND I'M TRYING TO THINK BACK.
THE, THE, UH, MUNICIPAL CODE SPEAKS TO WHAT SHOULD BE IN THE ANNUAL REPORTS.
I THINK WHAT IT'S ONE OF THE ACTIVITIES, A LITTLE BIT OF THE, BUT VERY, VERY GENERAL.
IT'S LIKE HOW MANY MEETINGS DID YOU HAVE? YEAH.
YOU KNOW, WERE YOU DOING PRODUCTIVE WORK? BUT IT DOES ASK A LIST OF THINGS MM-HMM
SO I THINK THOSE SHOULD BE WORKING MM-HMM
AND I AGREE WITH KIND OF HOW CAN WE PUT THIS IN AS A KIND OF A WHOLE, PUT IT ALL TOGETHER AS A WAY THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE THIS YEAR, MEET THE CODE AND GOING FORWARD MM-HMM
SO ANY THOUGHTS ON THIS FIRST POLICY RECOMMENDATION OF SETTING A GOAL? OF SAYING THE CITY NEEDS TO SET, YOU KNOW, A NUMBER OF SHELTER BEDS THAT BE AVAILABLE THROUGH ITS OWN, UH, SHELTER SERVICES AND THOSE OF PARTNERS.
AND WE RECOMMEND THAT THAT NUMERICAL WILL BE TIED WITH THE OUTCOME OF, YOU KNOW, 40% OF PEOPLE SHELTERED BY 2026, WHICH WOULD BE A HEAVY LIFT, BUT WE NEED TO PUSH IF THAT'S OUR PRIORITY AND 60% BY 2030.
YEAH, I MEAN, MY ONLY THING, MY ONLY, UM, HESITATION IS THAT WE KNOW THAT THE EVERYONE HOME STRATEGIC PLAN IS COMING OUT IN 2026, AND THAT WILL INCLUDE SOME SORT OF VERSION OF THIS RECOMMENDATION.
SO I ALMOST, UM, AND I SHARED WITH BOTH OF YOU, NOW THAT I HAVE TALKED TO THE MAYOR STAFF AND THEIR RECOMMENDATION IS TO STICK TO ONE OR TWO RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE FEEL VERY STRONGLY ABOUT THAT OTHER ENTITIES WOULDN'T, UM, NECESSARILY CATCH.
AND MAYBE THAT IF, IF WE ONLY HAD ONE OR TWO RECOMMENDATIONS, MAYBE THEY COULD HELP US, UM, IMPLEMENT THEM.
WHEN I THINK ABOUT THIS, AND BASED ON OUR DISCUSSIONS LAST YEAR, I FELT THAT WHAT THE COMMITTEE, SPECIFICALLY THE POLICY SUBCOMMITTEE, BUT THE BROADER COMMITTEE WAS SAYING IS THE CITY NEEDS TO CHANGE DIRECTION A LITTLE BIT AND FOCUS MORE ON SHELTER RATES THAN LONG-TERM PERMANENT HOUSING RATES 'CAUSE OF THE CRISIS OF PEOPLE DYING ON THE STREETS.
SO MY PERSPECTIVE WAS OUR LEADING AND MOST IMPORTANT RECOMMENDATION, AT LEAST LAST YEAR, WAS WE NEED TO DOUBLE DOWN ON SHELTERING PEOPLE.
AND SO FOR ME, NUMBER ONE IS NUMBER ONE RECOMMENDATION OF, HEY, IF YOU'VE GOT RESOURCES, WE THINK SHELTER IS A PRIORITY THAT'S KIND OF
IT'S JUST, I THINK WE JUST NEED TO SORT OF TAKE IT A STEP FURTHER AND, AND SORT OF STICK TO OUR PILOT PLANET PILOT PROGRAM RECOMMENDATION, RIGHT? IN AN EFFORT TO INCREASE SHELTER BED, LET'S TALK ABOUT REPURPOSING COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS.
LET'S, IN INTO SHELTERS, LET'S TALK ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE, THAT OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE DONE THAT ARE MORE ECONOMICAL, MORE SUSTAINABLE, MORE FEASIBLE, AND QUICKER, UM, THAT CAN MEET THE NEEDS OF THE, OF THE PEOPLE WHO, WHO ARE SUFFERING OUT IN THE STREETS.
SO, UM, INSTEAD OF, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS THAT OTHER ONE? WHAT'S THAT OTHER ONE WHERE WE HAD HANNAH, WHAT WAS THAT ONE CALLED? UH, BUILT FOR ZERO FOR ZERO.
SO, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE 130, UH, BEDS, UM, AS THEIR GOAL FOR THIS YEAR, 2025 FOR THIS YEAR, 130 BEDS FOR CHRONICALLY HOMELESS.
UM, SO, BUT AT THE SAME TIME I'M THINKING, OKAY, BUT HOW ARE YOU GONNA DO THAT? YOU, YOU NEED, YOU KNOW, IF WE ARE TO UNDERSTAND HOW THE CITY OF LONG BEACH WORKS, IT HAS TO BE SOMEWHERE IN THAT BUDGET COME OCTOBER 1ST WHEN WE'RE IN OUR, OUR BUDGET CYCLE, WHATEVER WE RECOMMEND HAS TO BE SOMEWHERE IN THAT BUDGET.
IT CAN'T JUST FLOAT AROUND THIS CONCEPT OF, OH, WE CAN DO THIS, DA DA, WE CAN'T, IF IT, IF THE MONEY ISN'T SET ASIDE, THE CITY MANAGER'S NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO DO IT IF WE, IF WE CAN'T LIKE WHAT YOU DID ON THE OTHER ONE.
BUT ON THIS ONE, UM, IF WE KNOW IN THE BUDGET THAT THERE'S GONNA BE FUNDS FOR, UM, I DUNNO, SHELTERING NEW SHELTERS OR WHATEVER, COULD WE, OR THERE ARE SOME DISCRETIONARY FUNDS THAT, THAT THE MAYOR SOMETIMES EARMARKS AND, AND HE IS ABLE TO DO THAT.
AND IF, IF, SO IF WE HAD THIS PILOT THAT WE CAN ENVISION, ENCOURAGE THEM TO DO, UH, WHETHER IT'S IT'S SHARED
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HOUSING, UM, A DORMITORY STYLE HOUSE OR, OR, UM, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING THAT CAN GET PEOPLE OFF THE STREETS NOW.TRYING TO PUT IT TOGETHER WITH SOME OF MY THOUGHTS.
SO, SO I THINK, UM, THERE'S KIND OF TWO THINGS.
ONE IS GOING ON, ON KIND OF, DO WE NEED TO BE MORE SPECIFIC? IN MY THINKING, IT'S, I'VE KIND OF COME TO THE CONCLUSION IS THERE'S A NEED FOR PERMANENT SHELTER BITS.
I, I DON'T CARE WHAT TYPE THEY ARE, BUT THEY NEED TO BE PERMANENT.
THE, YOU KNOW, THE ENCAMPMENT RESOLUTION IS TWO YEARS AND THEN MOST OF THE PEOPLE ARE BACK ON THE STREETS.
SO I THINK I PERSONALLY, I WOULD LIKE THE WORD PERMANENT SHELTER BEDS.
AND THEN IN TERMS OF A SPECIFIC, IT COULD BE ANY WAY THAT IS THE, YOU KNOW, WE COULD SAY IT'S THE MOST EFFECTIVE IMPACTS, THE MOST PEOPLE WE COULD THROW OUT WHAT IS 10% OF THE CURRENT UNSHELTERED POPULATION.
WE COULD SAY THE CURRENT UNSHELTERED POPULATION IS 1510%.
IF YOU WERE, IF WE THE CITY WERE TO SELF, YOU KNOW, IF THE CITY WERE TO JUST, UH, PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SHELTER FOR ONLY 10% THAT WOULD PROVIDE SHELTER FOR 150.
SO YOU COULD DO IT IN, I THINK YOU COULD DO IT IN WAYS WHERE IT'S KIND OF SPECIFIC ABOUT SORT OF, I THINK PERMANENT SHELTER, EFFECTIVE, EFFICIENT, WHATEVER ELSE.
SO THAT'S MY THOUGHTS ON THAT PART.
MY THOUGHT ON THE 40% IS KIND OF INTERESTING.
'CAUSE MY THINKING IS, YOU'VE HEARD ME SAY THINGS IN EMAILS OUT THE WAZOO AND MY THINKING HAS KIND OF CHANGED ON THE 40% AND IT RELATES TO SOME OF THE OTHERS.
SO, UM, I'M THE 40% I LIKE AS A STRETCH, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF A NICE STRETCH GOAL.
YOU KNOW, OTHERS HAVE DONE IT.
SO I LIKE THE IDEA OF INCLUDING IT, YOU KNOW, TO SAY AT LEAST IT'S A REFERENCE.
OTHER CITIES HAVE ACHIEVED 40%, INCLUDING BOOM, BOOM, BOOM.
BUT SINCE THESE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE WHOLE COMMITTEE, I FEEL LIKE WE CAN ASK, WE COULD ASK PAUL, IS THAT A STRATEGY TO TAKE? WHAT, WHAT DOES HE THINK ABOUT THAT? IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST EVERYONE HOME DIDN'T SET A PERCENT TARGET.
IT SET A KIND OF A NUMERICAL, LET'S DO 150, WHATEVER THE NUMBER WAS.
SO IS THERE SOMETHING, WHATEVER WE RECOMMEND, HERE'S ANOTHER THOUGHT, WHATEVER WE RECOMMEND, HOWEVER, IT'S VERIFIED, LOOKED AT, EMAILED IN THE COMMITTEE OR WHATEVER.
IF YOU ARE THE CITY COUNCIL PERSON AND YOU LOOK AT SOMETHING AND THINK, OH, 40%, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
WHO DO YOU, WHAT WOULD BE THE FIRST THING YOU DO? YOU WOULD TALK TO THE PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE, WHICH IS PAUL.
AND I THINK THE DIRECTOR OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES, I MEAN, THE LEADER OF ANY COMPANY WOULD ALWAYS TALK TO THE DEPARTMENT INVOLVED BEFORE THEY MADE A DECISION.
SO I'M THINKING THIS COMMITTEE AT THIS TIME, WE COULD START ASKING PAUL TO COMMENT ON THIS AND HELP SEE IF HE CAN HELP.
MAYBE HE CAN, MAYBE HE SAYS, AND IT'S NOT TO SAY HE'S GONNA ADVOCATE FOR IT, IT'S JUST TO SAY, IS THIS SOMETHING? WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT IT? WHAT YOU THINK WE'RE HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
SHOULD WE TRY TO STICK WITH IT MORE TO THE EVERYONE HOME? AND THEN MY LAST THOUGHT ON THIS IS, UM, CAN WE FOLD LANGUAGE IN OF EVERYONE HOME IN HERE AND SAY, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT THIS WORK NEEDS TO BE FOLDED IN INCLUDED INTO THE EVERYONE HOME REVISION? I THINK IT IS, BUT WE HAVEN'T HEARD THAT.
SO IT HAS TO BE, AND WE'RE SAYING CREATE A NUMBER OF BEDS, PERMANENT, DIFFERENT WAYS, AN IDEAL OF 40%, NOT AN IDEAL, BUT OTHERS HAVE DONE 40%.
AND THOSE FACTORS SHOULD BE WEIGHED IN DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE.
AND I'D KIND OF LIKE TO HEAR WHAT PAUL WOULD, PAUL WOULD SAY, AND IT'S WHOLE QUESTION OF WHAT CAN PAUL ADVOCATE FOR OR TALK TO US ABOUT? I THINK THE, THE, THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA BE VOTED ON BY THE WHOLE COMMITTEE.
HE CAN GIVE US HIS THOUGHTS BECAUSE IF A, IF, IF, UH, YOU KNOW, MEGAN KERR WERE TO SAY 40%, WHO WOULD BE THE FIRST PERSON SHE WOULD CALL TO TALK ABOUT IT? IT WOULD BE HIM OR,
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OR THE DIRECTOR OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES.UM, BUT THE MEMO, LAST YEAR'S MEMO WAS FROM THE DIRECTOR OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES AND THE CITY MANAGER? NO, TO THE CITY MANAGER.
TO, YEAH, IT WAS TO THE CITY MANAGER WHO THEN FORWARDED IT TO, AND THEN EVERYBODY WAS COPIED.
AND I, I LIKE THE IDEA THAT THIS YEAR IT WILL BE IN OUR ANNUAL REPORT.
SO IF WE WANT TO GO TO THE MEETING AND GIVE PUBLIC COMMENT SAYING, BASED ON THAT REPORT, THEN YOU JUST RECEIVED, I THINK THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US AS INDIVIDUALS.
SO WHAT I'M HEARING FROM BOTH OF YOUR FEEDBACK IS, JULIE, YOU'RE SAYING, LET'S PUT A LINE IN HERE SAYING THE CITY SHOULD USE SOME INNOVATIVE PRACTICES AND, YOU KNOW, UH, FROM OTHER CITIES THAT WE'VE SEEN TO GET TO THIS GOAL.
AND, AND THEN DOUG, YOU'RE SAYING, SHOULD BE PERMANENT SHELTER CUTS.
IT SHOULDN'T BE THIS IS THE WINTER SHELTER, OR THIS IS FOR ONE YEAR VOUCHER.
THEY'RE GONNA BE YEAR AFTER YEAR.
AND SO I CAN ADD BOTH OF THOSE THINGS TO THIS FIRST ONE, AND THEN WE CAN ASK PAUL, HEY PAUL, YOU KNOW, WE, WE STILL THINK IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO INCREASE THE SHELTER RATE.
WE'RE STILL SAYING LET'S STRIVE FOR 40%, AND SAN FRANCISCO HAS DEMONSTRATED CAN BE DONE BY 2026 AND 60%, YOU KNOW, BY 2030.
SO I CAN, I CAN REVISE THAT LANGUAGE AND WE CAN GET SOME FEEDBACK ON IT.
AND HE COULD SAY, HMM, NOT SURE, BUT WE COULD STILL REFERENCE IT.
I THINK IT'S GOOD TO REFERENCE, YOU KNOW, THAT SAN FRANCISCO ACHIEVED 40% AND WE ARE AT WHATEVER.
OR TO USE IT TO, FOR THEM TO SET A TARGET OR THEM TO KIND OF USE IT AS A BENCHMARK THAT'S IN THEIR THINKING.
SO JULIE, TO YOUR POINT ABOUT FOCUSING ON A FEW STRATEGIC, UH, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR.
RECOMMENDATION NUMBER TWO IS REALLY JUST THAT THE, THE CITY OFFICIALS, ESPECIALLY CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, SHOULD BE TRACKING NUMBERS TO, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTAND IS PROGRESS BEING MADE.
THAT'S ONE THAT WE CAN DELETE IF YOU ALL WOULD LIKE, BUT IT'S BASICALLY LIKE YOU SHOULD BE MEASURING NUMBERS, EVEN SOME NUMBERS YEAR OVER YEAR.
SO WE CAN GET RID OF THAT ONE.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO BE MORE FOCUSED.
I PROPOSE THAT I THINK WE SHOULD, AND THAT'S MORE OF AN OPERATIONAL, AND, AND ACTUALLY FOR ALL WE KNOW, THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE GETTING SOME SORT OF UPDATES FROM THE STAFF AND, UM, YOU KNOW, ASKING THE RIGHT QUESTIONS STAFF, WE DON'T, WE DON'T EXACTLY KNOW THAT.
UM, AND THAT'S WHY I AM GOING TO ENCOURAGE JENNIFER, I DON'T KNOW IF IT NEEDS TO BE AN AGENDA THAT WE ALL GO BACK TO PRE COVID, UM, PRACTICES WHERE EACH MEMBER IS SUPPOSED TO DO AT LEAST ONE ANNUAL CHECK-IN WITH THEIR COUNCIL MEMBER TO DISCUSS, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE A TWO-WAY DISCUSSION ON THE SUBJECT OF HOPELESSNESS.
SO TO HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING AND AGREEMENT OF WHAT THE PRIORITIES OF THAT DISTRICT ARE.
SO WE'RE SCRATCHING NUMBER TWO.
SO I'M, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THIS.
I, THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS, THIS IS ANOTHER THING THAT I THINK WE SHOULD ASK.
THE REVISION, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING THE REVISION OF THE, IT HAS TO BE, ARE YOU GOING TO DO IT? IT, IT MUST BE.
AND THEN IF THEY KIND OF WAFFLE, THEN WE THINK WHAT WE DO NEXT.
AND THEN THIS ALSO TIES INTO SOME OF MY OTHER EMAILS AND QUESTIONS, AND I WAS GONNA USE THAT AS AN EXAMPLE.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING I'VE ADVOCATED FOR.
AND I'VE ADVOCATED FOR IT IN THE BIG COMMITTEE.
AND THE WAY REC, MY INTERPRETATION OF ANY RECOMMENDATION OF ANY SORT IS THAT IT SHOULD COME FROM THE FULL COMMITTEE.
SO THE WAY THAT THIS HAPPENED, I FEEL LIKE I KIND OF PUSHED IT.
AND IN THE FUTURE, I FEEL THAT IF I HAVE THAT KIND OF A SITUATION, I SHOULD MAKE A MOTION.
I COULD EITHER GO DIRECTLY TO THE, TO THIS MEETING AND SAY, YOU KNOW, I WANT THIS.
I THINK IT SHOULD BE, OR I SHOULD MAKE A MOTION.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, I KNOW THERE ARE SOME, I KNOW THERE'S 1, 2, 3, 4 OF PEOPLE INTERESTED AT LEAST IN, IN TRACKING AND TRENDING, BUT IT MAY NOT BE THE WHOLE COMMITTEE, YOU KNOW, ON A VOTE.
THEY MAY NOT BE INTERESTED IN THIS.
THEY MAY THINK, I DON'T GET IT.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS KIND OF HOW I'M THINKING ABOUT AT OUR MEETINGS WHEN I HAVE A SUGGESTION OR SOMEONE HAS A SUGGESTION, DO WE NEED TO FUNNEL THOSE INTO A COMMITTEE DECISION
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SOME WAY, LIKE A MOTION VOTE BEFORE ANYTHING IS DONE ON IT? AND MY RECOMMENDATION IS WE DO THAT.AND, AND THEN I DON'T THINK, MY OTHER RECOMMENDATION IS, I DON'T THINK CITY STAFF CAN DO ANYTHING, ADVOCATE, DO ANYTHING ON IT UNLESS IT DOES COME FROM THE WHOLE COMMITTEE.
SO IF I MAKE THIS AND IF I INDEPENDENTLY MAKE THIS OR SOMEBODY ELSE SAYS, YEAH, I THINK WE SHOULD DO THIS, OR YOU SHOULD DO THIS, IT, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER PEOPLE IN THE COMMITTEE THINK.
SO PAUL SHOULD, WE SHOULD DETERMINE WHAT EVERYONE THINKS BE AND HERE DISCUSSION OF VOTE, BE SURE I AGREE WITH THAT.
AND IF, IF THOSE ARE THOSE COVER ABOUT ALMOST ALL OF MY QUESTIONS.
WELL, AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE DISCUSSION AND THE WHOLE BODY.
I THINK THAT, OH, YOU WANT TO HAVE THAT, YOU WANT TO GET INTO THE DETAILS.
I DON'T, I'M GONNA SIT THERE AND LISTEN, BUT I'M GONNA BE GLAD THAT IT WILL HAPPEN AND THAT IT WILL BE VERY CLEAR FOR EVERYONE.
I, I WAS WORRIED I WAS BOTHERING PEOPLE WITH TIME ON THIS STUFF.
WELL, I THINK, I THINK IT WILL BE HELPFUL TO HAVE CLARIFICATION ABOUT WHAT ARE THE PROCEDURES AND WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN.
SO WE'RE STRIKING RECOMMENDATION NUMBER TWO AT LEAST FOR OUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
BUT WE KNOW WE AS A COMMITTEE WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT DATA WE RECEIVE.
SO FOR RECOMMENDATION NUMBER THREE, UM, THIS IS ONE WHERE WE SAID WE RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY MAINTAIN OR INCREASE FUNDING FOR HOMELESSNESS PREVENTION PROGRAMS. MAYBE THIS DOESN'T NEED TO BE A STANDALONE RECOMMENDATION, SINCE WE DON'T KNOW A TON ABOUT IT.
MAYBE THIS COULD JUST BE IN THE PREFACE, YOU KNOW, THAT GENERALLY WE SUPPORT PREVENTION.
WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK? THIS IS IN EVERYONE, HUH? YEAH.
AND IT'S ALSO, THEY ARE WORKING ON SOMETHING.
I HAVE A FRIEND WHO'S SITTING ON THE COMMITTEE.
SO AGAIN, IF, IF, IF THEY CONTINUE TO DO THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS IN EVERYONE HOME AND, YOU KNOW, KIND OF TWEAK 'EM AND MAKE 'EM CURRENT, I THINK WE COVER THIS.
EVERYBODY EXCEPT THIS KNOWLEDGE.
AND SO, UM, AND SO RECOMMENDATION NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS ABOUT LOWER COST QUICKER STARTUP, YOU KNOW, INTERIM HOUSING SOLUTIONS, WHICH ACTUALLY SHELTER, UM, THIS IS KIND OF WHAT WE SAID.
WE WOULD ROLL INTO NUMBER ONE AS WE SAID, HEY, TRY SOMETHING INNOVATIVE.
SO I FEEL LIKE WE CAN CROSS THIS OUT.
IF WE ROLL THAT INTO NUMBER ONE OF SAYING, YES, PLEASE USE INNOVATIVE WAYS.
IT'S, IT'S JUST COST EFFECTIVE AND, UM, EXPEDIENT AND PERMANENT.
BECAUSE INNOVATIVE SORT OF IMPLIES THAT WE WE'RE WAITING FOR SOME INNOVATIVE MODELS TO COME UP, BUT THERE IS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S PLENTY OUT THERE.
THERE ARE A LOT OF UNSHELTERED PEOPLE WANDERING THE STREETS.
AND THEY NEED MORE SHELTER VISITS.
WE SHOULD JUST, THAT SHOULD BE OUR SENTENCE.
SO FOR RECOMMENDATION NUMBER FIVE, NOW THIS IS LIKE THE REALLY SPECIFIC ONE THAT I THINK IS A GOOD THING.
AND THIS IS, YOU KNOW, PILOTING THAT.
AND I, YOU COULD SAY I REVISED THIS LANGUAGE BASED ON FEEDBACK FROM THE LAST MEETING OF, LET'S NOT SAY WE'RE TAKING IT FROM THE QUEEN SUITE PROGRAM, LET'S JUST SAY WE'RE ADVOCATING FOR, UM, A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO PILOT A PROGRAM THAT PROVIDES PROACTIVE HYGIENE AND SANITATION SERVICES.
AND, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE DETAILS OF THIS, UM, THE, THE CITY DEPARTMENT CAN KIND OF FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE THESE HOT HOTSPOTS? WHERE IS THE NEED? BUT WHAT WE SAID IS, HEY, PROVIDE TRASH TO THE, THE 10 LARGEST ENCAMPMENTS AND PROVIDE SHOWERS AND TOILETS TO THE, THE THREE LARGEST ONES.
AND, YOU KNOW, IF CITY STAFF SAYS, WELL, IT WOULD BE MORE EFFECTIVE JUST TO PLOP DOWN A SHOWER IN THIS PARK EVERY WEEK AND LET PEOPLE COME TO US, I'M OKAY WITH THAT.
WE WE'RE JUST TRYING TO SAY, LET'S PROVIDE SOME PROACTIVE HYGIENE SERVICES.
SO ANY, ANY THOUGHTS ON THIS REVISION? AND I CAN READ IT FOR YOU, BUT IT BASICALLY SAYS, RECOMMENDATION NUMBER FIVE.
WE RECOMMEND PILOTING A PROGRAM TO OFFER PROACTIVE HYGIENE AND SANITATION SERVICES AT THE CITY'S LARGEST ENCAMPMENTS, WHICH WILL INCREASE BOTH NEIGHBORHOOD CLEANLINESS AND QUALITY OF LIFE FOR PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS.
WE TALKED ABOUT HOW THERE WERE 4,200 HOMELESS ENCAMPMENT CLEANUPS LAST YEAR.
UM, MOST OF THOSE WERE, YOU KNOW, INVOLVED RETURNING TO THE SAME PLACE WEEK AFTER WEEK.
THE COST TO ONE DEPARTMENT ALONE WAS A MILLION DOLLARS LAST WEEK OF, OR LAST YEAR OF DOING THOSE CLEAN SWEEPS.
AND THAT WE RECOMMEND THE CITY ALLOCATE A HUNDRED DOLLARS TO, OR A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO A PROACTIVE HYGIENE AND SANITATION PROGRAM TO INCREASE THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS AND OUT OF TWO IN THEIR IN THERE.
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TWO, IMPROVE THE CLEANLINESS OF ENCAMPMENTS, LIKELY DECREASING THE NEED FOR REPETITIVE WEEKLY SWEEPS.AND THEN THERE'S AN EXAMPLE BUDGET, WHICH, UM, I WILL ASK FOR SOME FEEDBACK FROM PAUL AND I'LL SEND IT TO HIM AGAIN.
UM, BUT YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF OUR REALLY SPECIFIC, YOU KNOW, CAN YOU TAKE ACTION ON THIS? PUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN THE BUDGET FOR TRASH BINS, SHOWERS, AND TOILETS AS A PILOT.
I, I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, HAVE A STATEMENT IN THERE THAT TALKS ABOUT, UM, BASIC HUMAN NEEDS FOR RESTROOMS, UM, AND HOW THIS WOULD ADDRESS THAT.
BECAUSE I DON'T FEEL THAT THE CLEAN TEAM POLICIES ADDRESS THAT AT ALL.
AND, AND PLUS IT, IT'S NOT JUST WEEKLY.
OFTEN IT'S MORE THAN A WEEK THEY DO THIS, UM, CHAOS OUT THERE.
UM, BECAUSE, UM, I, I HAD A LONG RIDE WITH MY SISTER WHO IS ALSO MY NEIGHBOR, AND SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE, SHE DOESN'T GET TO DOWNTOWN THAT OFTEN.
AND SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT VISITING THE MAIN LIBRARY AND THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE, THIS WAS A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, SO MANY PEOPLE LIVING ALL AROUND THERE.
AND I, AND I TOLD, YOU KNOW, THEY POWER WASH EVERY DAY.
THEY GET UP EVERY DAY, UH, WELL THE AREA IS BEING POWER WASHED AND, AND SHE SAID THEY, HOW BAD PEOPLE LOOKED.
AND I, AND I WAS THINKING, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, IN MY DRIVING IN ORANGE COUNTY OR OTHER PARTS OF LA, THERE IS THIS THING WHERE, UM, IF YOU HAVE ACCESS TO, UH, WHETHER YOU CALL IT A REFRESH CENTER OR, OR, OR SANITATION CENTER, UM, THEN THE PEOPLE DON'T LOOK LIKE THEY'VE BEEN BEATEN TO THE CROWD.
THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WANT TO BE CLEANED, BUT IF THERE'S NO ACCESS TO RESTROOMS, THERE'S NO WAY FOR THEM TO BE CLEANED.
SO I KNOW PEOPLE WHO STAY BY THE BEACH SO THAT THEY CAN SHOWER AT LEAST AND HAVE ACCESS TO, TO THOSE FACILITIES THERE.
SO, UM, I THINK WE JUST NEED TO ADDRESS SOMETHING.
WE NEED TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT JUST THE HUMAN NEED FOR HYGIENE AND CLEANLINESS AND HOW WE'RE, THAT'S WHAT THIS IS TRYING TO ADDRESS.
AND, UM, AND THAT IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR EVERYBODY TO PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, THESE PUBLIC RE AND WHAT WE DO AT ST.
LUKE'S IS WE, A LOT OF TIMES IT'S THE PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS WHO ARE HELPING US WITH THE CLEANUP PART OF IT.
YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAVE A HUNDRED AND SOME PEOPLE THAT, UM, ON THE CAMPUS, UM, THEY LEAVE QUITE A FOOTPRINT, RIGHT? SO THEY'RE PICKING UP THE TRASH FOR US.
THEY'RE, UH, REORGANIZING STUFF.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE SWEEPING, THEY'RE DOING, I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT AFRAID OF GETTING DIRTY.
RIGHT? AND 'CAUSE THEY LIVE OUTDOORS.
SO IT COULD BE ALSO A WAY FOR THEM TO KEEP THEIR AREA CLEAN IF WE GIVE THEM THE TOOLS TO DO IT.
IF THERE'S BIWEEKLY TRASH PICKUP AND YOU KNOW, TOILET PAPER IN THE RESTROOM SO WE CAN GIVE THEM RESPONSIBILITY.
'CAUSE THERE IS, FROM WHAT I CAN TELL OF VISITING CERTAIN ENCAMPMENTS, THERE, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WANT SOME SORT OF ORDERLY, CLEAN AREA.
YOU KNOW, YOU'LL ALWAYS FIND SOMEBODY WITH A BROOM.
I KNOW THAT SOUNDS STRANGE, BUT I'M TELLING YOU, THERE'S ALWAYS SOMEBODY IN THIS GROUP TRYING TO KEEP THE AREA CLEAN.
AND SO, UM, IF WE DO IT WITH, WITH MAYBE THEIR PARTICIPATION, AND MAYBE THAT WOULD BE, UM, THAT WOULD RESULT IN BETTER OUTCOMES, RIGHT? 'CAUSE GIVE THEM SOME RESPONSIBILITY, GIVE THEM SOME SENSE OF PRIDE IF, IF THE AREA IS CLEAN, UM, YOU KNOW, AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE WEEKLY SWEEPS BECAUSE NOW YOU KNOW, HOW THEY DO IT IS THAT EVERYBODY IS ON ALERT AND WHEN THEY FIND OUT WHEN THE SWEEP IS AND SOME PEOPLE ARE GONE, THEY'RE ALL TRYING TO PROTECT ONE ANOTHER'S STUFF.
AND, AND THIS WOULD GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY HAVE AN AREA THAT WON'T BE SWEPT, BUT WILL BE THEIRS TO CLEAN AND KEEP CLEAN.
SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE JUST PUBLIC WORKS THAT DOES RIGHT.
BECAUSE THEY MIGHT NOT WANNA DO IT OR WHATEVER.
IF WE COULD MAYBE GIVE THEM SOME RESPONSIBILITY MM-HMM
ANY OTHER YEAH, I'M FOR, I'M, I'M SUPPORT THIS, UM, LET'S SEE.
UM, I WAS THINKING WOULD A ANOTHER WAY POTENTIALLY TO REPHRASE IT MIGHT BE TO SAY SOMETHING LIKE, IN SPITE OF THE CITY'S
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CLEAN SWEEP EFFORTS, THERE CONTINUED TO BE, AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE SAY SMALLER OR ONGOING HOMELESS ENC ENCAMPMENTS, RIGHT? SO IN SPITE OF IT, AND THESE HOMELESS ENCAMPMENTS CONTINUE TO HAVE ISSUES WITH SANITATION, WHAT WHATEVER, TRASH, SANITATION, HYGIENE, WE CONTINUE TO HAVE THESE ISSUES.YOU, YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU MORE SWEEPS ISN'T GONNA DO IT.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THIS AS AN ONGOING THING.
AND SO GIVEN THAT I, YOU KNOW, LET'S DO THIS PILOT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
AND I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT JULIE SAID.
AND IT'S, IT'S ALSO, THERE'S AN ASPECT OF THIS IS IF, IF, IF YOU WANT PEOPLE TO BECOME HOUSED AND MOVE INTO SOCIETY, THEY HAVE TO BE DOING THE THINGS THAT YOU DO IN SOCIETY.
LIKE USING TOILETS, LIKE YEAH.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE HUMANITY, IT'S THE HUMANITY'S EVEN KIND OF, YOU CAN LOOK AT IT IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS.
IF YOU DON'T LIVE IN THAT ENVIRONMENT, IT MAY BE HARD FOR YOU TO GO BACK TO IT 'CAUSE YOU JUST DON'T DO IT.
AND I KNOW THERE ARE EXAMPLES FROM LIKE SKID ROW IN LA AND SAN FRANCISCO OF PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS, BEING THE ONES WHO MAINTAIN BATHROOM ACCESS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GET SUPER SPECIFIC, BUT TO BOTH OF YOUR POINTS, WE CAN SAY THIS COULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR, YOU KNOW, WORK EXPERIENCE FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE ENCAMPMENT TO HELP WITH THE SHOWER FACILITATION OR HELP MAINTAIN THE BATHROOMS OR TRASH.
SO WE CAN CERTAINLY ADD SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.
ONE MORE, ONE MORE QUICK THING TO SAY.
THIS IS ANOTHER ONE I WOULD LIKE TO GET A PULSE INPUT ON.
SO I WOULD, I WOULD BE ASKING HIM FIRST, THE QUESTION I WOULD ASK HIM IS, HAS THE CITY TRIED THIS? YOU KNOW, YOU'VE HAD HOMELESS CAMPS FOR A LONG TIME AND EVERYONE KNOWS YOU CAN SEE PEOPLE DEFECATING AND URINATING.
AND THE, THE TRASH PROBLEM IS ENORMOUS AND THAT NOT ONLY IMPACTS THE CAMPS, BUT IT IMPACTS THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO HAVE YOU, HAVE WE TRIED IT AND THEN IF NOT, WHY KIND OF WHAT, WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE THE DYNAMICS AROUND THIS NOTION? I THINK IN A MODEL WITH CLEAN SWEEPS WHERE YOU'RE PUTTING IN CLEAN SWEEPS, SO YOU'RE SORT OF ADDRESSING, KIND OF TRYING TO ADDRESS THE PERMANENT ENCAMPMENTS AS BEST YOU CAN AND PUTTING IN THIS KIND OF THING.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA ELIMINATE THESE PLACES.
SO WHAT DO WE DO WITH WHAT WE HAVE LEFT? AND DO IT IN A HUMANE, SUPPORTIVE WAY.
UM, BUT I'D, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING I'D REALLY LIKE TO HEAR KIND OF, PAUL, HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THIS? HAVE YOU EXPERIENCE, HAVE YOU TRIED IT? I'M GLAD TO SEND THAT TO HIM AGAIN.
I I HAVE DEFINITELY EMAILED PAUL THIS BUDGET AT LEAST TWICE AND HE GAVE SOME PRELIMINARY FEEDBACK.
HE ALSO, BUT I WOULD LOVE HIM TO SAY LIKE, THIS DOES OR DOESN'T MAKE SENSE AS FAR AS COST.
OR I DON'T SEE, I DON'T SEE THE COUNCIL, I DON'T SEE MY DEPARTMENT SUPPORTING IT OR, BUT, BUT I HAVE HEARD HIM SAY SEVERAL MONTHS AGO IN THIS POLICY SUBCOMMITTEE IS THAT HE LIKED THE IDEA OF FUNDS FOR THIS, THIS APPROACH.
MAYBE NOT EXACTLY AS WE'VE WRITTEN THAT.
BUT HE LIKES THE IDEA OF PROVIDING SOME OF THIS.
I KNOW I, I DIDN'T REMEMBER HIM SAYING THAT, BUT IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE HIM SAY THAT AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IS THIS SOMETHING YOU NEED TO BOUNCE OFF THE DIRECTOR TO HELP? BECAUSE WE KNEW LAST YEAR THAT PAUL DID NOT LIKE THE SAFE SLEEP IDEA AND WE KNOW THAT HE, IT DOES GENERALLY LIKE THIS APPROACH.
YOU KNOW, AND THAT WAS ANOTHER EXAMPLE IN ALL OF THIS.
THE, THERE WAS A LEVEL OF SUPPORT FOR THE TINY HUB.
LET'S, I'LL GO BACK TO THE SAFE SUITE.
THE CITY DID INVESTIGATE THAT, RIGHT? HE WENT OUT, I THINK, NO, WHAT THEY DID, THEY DID A SURVEY OF, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE SUBMITTED THE SURVEY.
THEY DID A, THEY JUST DID A GENERAL SURVEY, BUT THE SURVEY REALLY WAS TRYING TO FIND A THIRD PARTY THAT WOULD HOST A SAFE ENCAMPMENT.
UM, SO LET, LET ME, LET ME PULL IT BACK.
THEY DID DO SOMETHING MM-HMM
SO, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A BACK AND FORTH WHERE THERE WAS A, I DON'T SUPPORT OR MORE INVESTIGATION.
INVESTIGATION INVESTIGATED, INVESTIGATE.
AND SO THEN IT WAS A, IT WAS A GOOD THING TO SUBMIT BECAUSE FURTHER STEPS WERE DONE BY THE CITY BULLET INTO IT TO INVESTIGATE IT.
SO KIND OF AS I'M THINKING ABOUT ALL THIS, UM, I THINK AT THIS COMMITTEE LEVEL, 'CAUSE THESE ARE GONNA GO TO THE FULL COMMITTEE TO VOTE ON, WE, WE CAN GET MORE, ACTIVELY GET HIS INPUT.
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YOU WILL SUPPORT IF MM-HMMYOU KNOW, IF MY COUNCIL PERSON GIVES YOU A CALL MM-HMM
WELL THIS HAS BEEN REALLY CONSTRUCTIVE.
SO WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS I'M GOING TO MAKE CHANGES TO THIS LANGUAGE.
I'M GOING TO PUT IT IN A FORMAT THAT CAN JUST BE PLOPPED INTO OUR ANNUAL REPORT THAT THIS IS ALIGNED TO WHAT CAN BE JUST SUBMITTED AS PART AS OF THE ANNUAL REPORT.
I WOULD REALLY LIKE US TO FINALIZE LANGUAGE IN NEXT MONTH.
LIKE, YOU KNOW, SO LOOK AT IT AHEAD OF TIME AND WE'LL SIT THERE AND EDIT THE DOCUMENT RIGHT IN THE COMMITTEE SO THAT WE CAN TAKE IT TO THE FULL HAYSTACK IN JUNE.
UM, YOU KNOW HOW
UM, THE WAY THAT THINGS HAVE EVOLVED SINCE GRANTS PASS, THE ENCAMPMENTS HAVE BEEN DISPERSED.
SO WE DON'T REALLY HAVE LARGE ENC.
I, I CAN'T SAY THAT WE HAVE ANY LARGE ENCAMPMENTS EXCEPT MAYBE AROUND THE LIBRARY.
UM, 'CAUSE EVERYBODY ELSE HAS BEEN DISPERSED.
SO WE HAVE A LITTLE ONE DOWN THIS ALLEY.
WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE IN THAT ABANDONED PROPERTY.
WE, SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD EVER HAPPEN.
SO THE SUGGESTION ON THAT, SHOULD WE JUST SAY THE CITY SHOULD MAKE PORTABLE TOILETS AVAILABLE IN PLACES WHERE PEOPLE ARE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS ARE FREQUENTLY SEEN SO THE PEOPLE IN THAT AREA CAN UTILIZE AND SAME WITH THE SHOWER, MAYBE THERE'S FREQUENTLY LOCATIONS.
YOU KNOW, WE DON'T NEED A, WHERE NOBODY'S AT
I WOULD, I, MY SON AND I DUNNO, YOU, YOU, YOU KNOW, JULIE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT SOUNDS LIKE WITH THE CLEAN SWEEPS, THERE STILL ARE AREAS WHERE THERE ARE, ARE KIND OF THESE ENCAMPMENTS THAT RISE AND FALL.
SO YOU, THE, THE CLEAN SWEEP HAS AN EFFECT MM-HMM
BUT THERE'S STILL THIS GOING ON.
AND YOU COULD IDENTIFY A COUPLE LOCATIONS AND TRY IT AND, BUT WE STILL HAVE LARGE CONCENTRATIONS, BUT THEY'RE NOT IN ENCAMPMENTS.
THEY'RE JUST DISPERSED MARK MORE.
SO WE STILL HAVE A LARGE POPULATION AT CAMBODIA TOWN.
WE STILL HAVE A LARGE POPULATION, UM, BY THE RIVER.
WE STILL HAVE A LARGE POPULATION BY LINCOLN PARK.
IT'S JUST, THEY'RE NOT ALIEN ENCAMPMENTS.
SO THERE ARE A LOT HOMELESSNESS.
AND THEN JUST ANOTHER ISSUE IS THE CLEAN SWEEPS ARE LIKE CLEANING THE SIDEWALK.
THEY'RE NOT CLEANING THE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, SO THE PEOPLE STILL NEED SHOWERS.
THEY STILL NEED BATHROOMS. NO, NO, NO.
I'M JUST TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S THIS SORT OF BALANCE BETWEEN BEING HUMANE AND PERMISSIVE IN ALL OF THIS.
BUT THEN THERE'S THE BALANCE OF, YOU KNOW, THIS CHANGE IN DIRECTION OF THE STATE, THE SUPREME COURT LAWS AND DOING ACTIVITIES TO, TO ADDRESS WHATEVER WAY IT IS.
AND YOU CAN THINK OF IT IN ANY WAY, AND THE CITY HAS THIS WAY OF DOING IT, BUT IN THE END, THERE'S STILL THESE FOLKS, THERE'S STILL THESE FOLKS THAT HAVE HIGH CONCENTRATIONS THAT THIS, THIS WOULD BE AN INTERESTING THING TO LOOK AT.
AND YOU CAN LOOK AT IT FROM A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF POSITIVES.
BUT YOU DO A PILOT AND SEE, MAYBE YOU'D FIND SOME NEGATIVES.
SO I DUNNO, I I THINK ONE OF THE GOALS SHOULD BE TO REDUCE THE, THE HUMAN SUFFERING THAT WE SEE, OR THE, I DUNNO WHAT YOU CALL IT, WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE IN THE SIDEWALK THAT ARE SO DIRTY AND SO HALFWAY DRESSED AND SO, YOU KNOW, I I DUNNO, TREAT THEM MORE HUMANELY.
UM, BASIC NEEDS OF, OF SANITATION, YOU KNOW, SANITATION AND UH, AND MANAGING TRASH.
AND WE CAN'T RELY ON THE LIBRARIES TO BE THE ONLY PUBLIC RESTROOM AROUND.
ALRIGHT, WELL THIS WAS CONSTRUCTED.
I, I WANTED TO SHARE THE BUDGET.
UM, WE DID REACH OUT TO PAUL TO TRY TO GET A, AN IDEA.
SO WITH OPERATIONAL COST INSURANCE OVERSIGHT AND ADMINISTRATION FOR AN AGENCY TO DO MOBILE SHOWERS, UH, WITH ABOUT TWO STAFF WOULD COST ANYWHERE FROM 20 TO $25 AN HOUR PLUS BENEFITS.
SO THAT IS ABOUT 800 TO A THOUSAND DOLLARS A DAY TO OPERATE A MOBILE SHOWER.
AND THEN THAT WOULD ALSO INCLUDE THE INITIAL INVESTMENT OF A MOBILE SHOWER TRAILER AND TRUCK, WHICH IS ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND.
I KNOW THAT THIS WAS CITY IS BUYING ONE.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE HE'S GETTING THESE NUMBERS FROM.
UM, SO I, I WOULD CONSIDER THE BUDGET THAT YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING TO FORMULATE SOMEWHERE ALONG THOSE LINES.
ANYWHERE FROM 800 TO A THOUSAND DOLLARS, UH, PER DAY TO OPERATE A MOBILE SHOWER.
BUT THEY WOULDN'T BE OPERATED EVERY DAY.
IT WOULD BE LIKE ONE DAY A WEEK.
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OH, WEEKLY SHOWER SERVICE.BUT WITH THE INITIAL, WHEN IS THE CITY'S SHOWER TRAILER COMING? I DON'T KNOW.
I KNOW THAT THAT WAS TWO, WAS IT ONE OR TWO? I DON'T REMEMBER.
I DON'T, SO I, I CAN'T TELL YOU IF IT'S IN THE BUDGET.
I KNOW THAT PAUL WAS LOOKING TO PURCHASE ONE.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BEEN APPROVED.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE STATUS IS, BUT THAT IS WHERE HE'S GETTING HIS QUOTE IS THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE TEAM HAS BEEN LOOKING TO DO.
IT'S HIGHER THAN OUR ESTIMATE.
BUT THAT MAKES SENSE WITH INSURANCE AND EVERYTHING.
SO IF PAUL, IF THAT'S ACTUALLY IN THE WORKS AND IT'S GONNA HAPPEN, WOW.
SO ARE WE SAYING PAUL MIGHT NOT EVEN, I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO, IT'S ANOTHER THING I'D LIKE TO ASK PAUL.
IS IT GONNA HAPPEN? IF IT'S GONNA HAPPEN, DEFINITELY IT'S BEEN APPROVED.
YOU KNOW, BASICALLY IT'S, WE HAVE BUDGET AND THE MANAGER IS APPROVED IT, MY BOSS HAS APPROVED IT, HAS THAT HAPPENED? AND IF THE ANSWER IS NO, THEN IT'S A RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE NOTHING, NOTHING IS MOVING ON IT.
DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY TIMES, LIKE HOW MANY SITES AND HOW MANY TIMES PER WEEK THAT THAT BUDGETED OR PLAN TO? SO THERE IS NO BUDGET CREATED TO RUN THE SHOWER.
IT'S JUST WHAT IT WOULD COST TO PURCHASE.
UM, AND THEN WE REACHED OUT TO, THERE ARE MOBILE SHOWERS.
UM, BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS THE COUNTY THAT WAS, WE REACHED OUT TO THEM TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING AND THEY WERE THE ONES THAT ALSO LET US KNOW OPERATIONALLY WHAT THAT COULD COST, UH, PER DAY.
SO PAUL WAS LOOKING TO PURCHASE A A TRAILER AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING TO SEE WHAT THAT WOULD COST OPERATIONALLY.
AND I THINK MY TOILET ESTIMATE IS, I MEAN I LOOKED AT ACTUAL LIKE 80 DA PORTAGE ON RENTAL RATES FOR THAT.
BUT OF COURSE LIKE MAYBE INSURANCE IS HIGHER, OUR STAFF COST, BUT THAT'S HELPFUL.
WE'LL REFORMULATE THIS A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE MORE EXPENSIVE FOR THE SHOWERS, SO.
ANYTHING ELSE? WE APPRECIATE THAT IN REAL TIME FEEDBACK THERE STUFF.
ANYTHING ELSE WE SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT? I'M GOOD.
I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE MAYORS FUND.
UM, THIS DOCUMENT COULD WE GET FOR 2024, COULD WE GET THE ACTUAL AMOUNTS TO THE LIST OF, OF, TO THE, TO THE PEOPLE OR ORGANIZATIONS ON THE LIST OF, UM, GRANTEES, YOU KNOW, SO THE ACTUAL AMOUNT THAT THEY GOT.
'CAUSE REMEMBER THERE WERE A FEW THAT DIDN'T FOR WHATEVER REASON, UM, SPEND ON THE ENTIRE RIGHT.
SPEND THEIR, THEIR WHOLE ALLOCATION.
ALRIGHT, SO ALL IN FAVOR OF RECEIVING AND FILING THIS DISCUSSION.
I AYE A OKAY, ITEM NUMBER THREE, YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE FUTURE AGENDA ITEM.
SO, OH YEAH, A MOTION WHO FOR A SECOND.
UM, WHAT FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS SHOULD WE ADD TO OUR DISCUSSION OTHER THAN TO GO OVER THE REVISED RECOMMENDATIONS ON OUR NEXT MEETING? THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA BE THE WHOLE, I ALSO FEEL THAT WAY, BUT IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE SHOULD INCLUDE? I HAVE A LITTLE MORE OF MY DISCUSSION TO TOUCH ON RELATED TO THIS, BUT IT'S NOT A NEW RECOMMENDATION.
SO JULIE, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? UM, NO.
I MEAN I THINK WHEN WE HAVE OUR, UM, FULL COMMITTEE MEETING THAT UM, WE SHOULD ASK THE OTHER MEMBERS IF THEY HAVE UH, TOPICS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE US TO INVESTIGATE IN THIS COMMITTEE.
WASN'T THERE SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY BROUGHT UP, I THINK PROBABLY THOUGH, THAT SHOULD BE FUNDED FOR KIND OF WORK POST THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS YEAR'S RECOMMENDATION? RECOMMENDATION, YES.
IT'S GOOD TO START EARLY FOR NEXT YEAR.
THERE'S ALWAYS SOMETHING TO BE THINKING ABOUT.
UM, ALRIGHT, CAN I CHIME IN A LITTLE, A COUPLE MINUTES HERE? SURE.
SO YOU UM, MY WIFE SAYS I, I OVERTHINK THINGS
SO WHAT HAPPENED WAS I STARTED WITH ALL THE CITY DOCUMENTS AND SORT OF TRIED TO FIGURE OUT KIND OF WHAT YOU COULD DO WITH THAT.
AND IN THE END I THINK THERE'S A LOT THAT THE DOCUMENTS JUST DON'T SAY THEY'RE SILENT.
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YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER A DEFINITION OF VERIFICATION, DEFINITION OF POLICY, THE VERIFICATION POLICY PROCESS, I DON'T KNOW IF ALL OF THOSE THINGS MAKE A BIG DEAL BECAUSE I'VE COME TO THINK IN THE END, ANY RECOMMENDATION THAT WE MAKE IN THE END, THE COUNCIL MEMBER AND WE WILL MEET WITH THE COUNCIL MEMBERS.BUT IF THE COUNSELOR VERSUS, YOU KNOW, I KIND OF LIKE THIS, I HAVEN'T, WHAT ARE THEY GONNA DO? THEY'RE GONNA CALL PAUL AND, I DUNNO THE NAME OF THE ALLISON, DIRECTOR OF HEALTH.
OH, THEY'RE GONNA CALL LIKE ANY COMPANY, THEY'RE GONNA CALL THE PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE AND SAY, WHAT DO YOU THINK? SO THEN MY THINKING IS IN THIS MEETING, BECAUSE THESE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE FOR THE WHOLE COMMITTEE TO VOTE ON, WE CAN REALLY ACTIVELY ENGAGE THEM.
AND EVEN TO THE POINT OF SAYING YOU THINK YOU NEED TO ASK ALLISON, DO YOU THINK ALLISON WOULD SUPPORT THIS? UM, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S HOW IT'S GONNA WORK.
UM, NO MATTER WHAT DETAILS WE GET ABOUT ALL THIS OTHER STUFF.
UM, BUT I DO THINK THE CLARIFICATION AROUND SUGGESTIONS COME UP DURING THE MEETING AND HOW DO WE HANDLE THAT? AND THEN THE, THE DOCUMENT ABOUT ROBERT'S RULES, I THINK THAT COULD BE CLARIFIED.
YOU KNOW, FOR THE WHOLE COMMITTEE I'M OPEN TO WHATEVER IS OKAY.
I JUST AM INTERESTED IN CLARIFICATION.
AND I LIKE THE IDEA OF HAYSTACK FORMALLY SAYING, HEY, POLICY SUBCOMMITTEE, PLEASE THINK ABOUT THIS AND BRING US SOMETHING BACK.
THAT'S BETTER THAN ME FIGURING OUT WHAT'S GOING TO BE ON THE AGENDA OR THE TAPE.
SO NEXT TELL ME, WELL WAIT, WAIT.
SO NEXT WEEK THIS IS GONNA BE DISCUSSED AT, AT THE BIG MEETING AND THEN NEXT MONTH AND THEN WE'LL SEE.
NO, WE WON'T HAVE THIS FOR THE BIG MEETING.
SO YOU MEAN THE DISCUSSION WITH THE LAWYER? OH NO, NO PROCEDURE.
I'M THINKING ABOUT OUR NEXT MEETING.
SO OUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE KIND OF PULLING ALL THIS TOGETHER.
AND THEN WE WILL SPEND THE WHOLE TIME REVIEWING IT.
AND WE WILL PRETTY MUCH BE LIKE, THESE ARE THE WORDS AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE TO NEXT MONTH.
AND WE'LL HAVE IT RIGHT FORMAT.
WHAT ABOUT PUBLIC COMMENT?
ARE THERE ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS? UH, JUST FYI, UH, CITY ATTORNEY NICK WON'T BE ABLE TO MAKE THE NEXT MEETING BECAUSE HE IS ON JURY DUTY.
I THOUGHT LAWYERS WERE NEVER CHOSEN.
I KNOW HE PROBABLY WON'T BE CHOSEN.
LIKE I, I ALWAYS TRY TO GET CHOSEN.
HE'S LIKE, HE HAS THE WEEK OF YEAH.
SO HE'LL BE AT THE JUNE MEETING.
WE DID, WE DID SEND HIM OVER YOUR QUESTIONS THOUGH.
AND WE HAVE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH HIM.
SO FOR THOSE QUESTIONS IT SOUNDS LIKE OTHERS ARE INTERESTED.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA GO IN A DIRECTION, YOU KNOW, MY, THE, MY BACKGROUND, WHATEVER YOU SEND THEM, IT'S REALLY MORE TO, IT'S REALLY MORE TO HAVE THE QUESTIONS ANSWERED NOT WHAT I THINK.
MIGHT, IT MIGHT MEAN IT'S JUST, LET'S ANSWER THE QUESTIONS, SEE WHAT WE CAN LEARN TO GO FROM THERE.
MIGHT HE BE ABLE TO PROVIDE SOME WRITTEN ANSWERS IF HE'S NOT ABLE TO ATTEND THE EC MEETING OF JUST LIKE SOMETHING BRIEF PERMISSIBLE? THIS ISN'T PERMISSIBLE.
UM, I CAN ASK HIM, BUT MAYBE THAT MIGHT NOT WORK.
ONLY BECAUSE HE WANTS TO DO IT'S, HE MIGHT BREAK IT UP INTO TWO MEETINGS.
SO ONE MEETING HE WANTS TO GO OVER BROWN ACT AND ROBERT'S RULES.
UM, AND THEN, AND I BELIEVE HE WANTS TO INCLUDE THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
AND THEN THE NEXT MEETING, I FORGOT WHAT IT WAS.
I HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE EMAIL, BUT I KNOW WE, HE MENTIONED BREAKING IT UP INTO TWO MEETINGS.
UM, WITH THAT I THINK WE CAN TURN THIS.