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GOOD EVENING, IF YOU'D LIKE TO TAKE YOUR SEAT, I WOULD LIKE TO CALL[CALL TO ORDER]
THE HERITAGE CULTURAL HERITAGE COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER FOR APRIL 29TH, 2025.[ROLL CALL]
I PLEASE HAVE THE ROLL CALL? COMMISSIONER BODAK.COMMISSIONER PADILLA PEREZ IS PRESENT.
YOU AND CHAIR WAN PRESENT? UH, WE HAVE QUORUM.
[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
TIME I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE EVERYONE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.COMMISSIONER HUNTER WILL LEAD THE FLAG SALUTE.
PLEASE PLACE YOUR RIGHT HAND OVER YOUR HEART.
ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO THE REPUBLIC, WHICH IS FANS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
AT THIS TIME WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE SWEARING OF THE WITNESSES.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE TESTIMONY, PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE EVIDENCE YOU SHALL GIVE IN THE WHOLE CULTURAL HERITAGE COMMISSION MEETING SHALL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? THANK YOU.
MOVING ON TO OUR REGULAR AGENDA.
[1. 25-55108 Recommendation to receive and file Director’s Report. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]
TO RECEIVE AND FILE THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT.MAY I HAVE A MOTION AT THIS TIME? SO MOVED.
SO CHAIR, IT APPEARS THAT WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER PADILLA PEREZ AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER GFE.
I'LL TURN THINGS OVER TO THE STAFF FOR THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT.
GOOD EVENING, CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS.
JUST A FEW ANNOUNCEMENTS HERE FROM THE STAFF TABLE.
IT IS ALMOST MAY, WHICH IS HARD TO BELIEVE AND MAY IS NATIONAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION MONTH.
SO WE HOPE YOU'LL JOIN US IN CELEBRATING.
UM, IN MANY WAYS, ONE OF THE WAYS, UM, THAT, UH, WE'RE CELEBRATING LOCALLY IS LONG BEACH HERITAGE IS HOSTING AN AWARDS PROGRAM AND THERE ARE SEVERAL, UM, PROJECTS THAT THIS BODY AND THE CITY HAVE WORKED ON THAT ARE BEING RECOGNIZED, INCLUDING, UM, THE LONG BEACH AIRPORT TERMINAL, THE BREAKERS HOTEL, THE CITY CENTER MOTEL, AND THE WORKS PROGRESS PROGRESS ADMINISTRATION MURAL AT HARVEY MILK PARK.
AND THEN THERE IS A SPECIAL PRESERVATIONIST OF THE YEAR AWARD GOING TO OUR OWN, UH, COMMISSIONER PIZO AS ALONG WITH, UM, JEFF MALLON FOR THE BLUFF PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT LEADERSHIP WORK.
SO JUST WANNA CONGRATULATE EVERYONE INVOLVED, UM, AND, UH, RECOGNIZE THAT THERE'LL BE AN AWARDS CEREMONY, UH, MAY 21ST, SO IN A FEW WEEKS, THAT'S, UM, OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
UM, IT'S ALSO WHEN THE STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION CONFERENCE TAKES PLACE IN MAY.
SO A COUPLE OF US WILL BE HEADING UP TO SACRAMENTO TO LEARN MORE ABOUT, UM, PRESERVATION PROGRAMS THROUGHOUT THE STATE.
AND THE FOCUS THIS YEAR IS HOW TO BALANCE, UM, HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND THE NEED FOR HOUSING.
SO WE'RE VERY INTERESTED TO LEARN MORE OF HOW DIFFERENT CITIES ARE NAVIGATING, UM, THOSE DUAL, UH, TOPICS AND CHALLENGES.
AND THEN AS WE LOOK A LITTLE BIT FURTHER OUT INTO JUNE, WE ANTICIPATE COMING FORWARD WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING THE MILLS ACT PROGRAM THIS YEAR FOR 2025.
STAFF ARE STILL REVIEWING, UM, THE APPLICATIONS RECEIVED THIS YEAR AND ARE, ARE BEGINNING TO PUT TOGETHER A SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE LOOK FORWARD, UH, TO BRINGING HERE TO THIS COMMISSION.
UM, AND WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES OUR DIRECTOR'S REPORT.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT? IF THERE ARE NONE, WE'LL NOW TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT.
IF THERE'S ANY IN PERSON, PLEASE LINE UP AT THE PODIUM AT THIS TIME.
FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE, PUBLIC COMMENT.
ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS FOR THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT?
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IF THERE ARE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE USE THE RAISE HAND FEATURE.IF DIALING IN TELEPHONICALLY, PLEASE PRESS STAR NINE.
SEEING NONE, THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS ITEM.
BEFORE WE WRAP THIS UP FOR A VOTE, I'D LIKE TO CONGRATULATE COMMISSIONER PISO ON YOUR AWARD.
CHAIRMAN WAN MAD CLERK, PLEASE CALL FOR THE VOTE.
THANK YOU MADAM CLERK, WILL YOU PLEASE READ THE NEXT ITEM? ITEM
[2. 25-55109 Recommendation to approve the minutes for the Cultural Heritage Commission meeting of Tuesday, March 25, 2025. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]
NUMBER TWO IS A RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR THE CULTURAL HERITAGE COMMISSION MEETING OF TUESDAY, MARCH 25TH, 2025.MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS ITEM? THE MOTION HAS BEEN BEEN APPROVED BY COMMISSIONER PRYOR AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HUNTER COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MINUTES? IF THERE ARE NONE, WE'LL NOW TAKE PUBLIC COMMENTS REGARDING THE MINUTES FROM THE MEETING, MARCH 25TH, 2025.
IF THERE ARE ANY IN PERSON THAT WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEM TWO, PLEASE LINE UP AT THE PODIUM AT THIS TIME.
ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS REGARDING THE MINUTES FOR THE MEETING? 2025.
IF THERE ARE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE USE THE RAISE HAND FEATURE.
IF DIALING IN TELEPHONICALLY, PRESS STAR NINE NOW.
THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.
MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL FOR THE VOTE.
AT THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO REORGANIZE THE AGENDA ITEM TONIGHT.
ITEM NUMBER FOUR WILL BE STARTED PRIOR TO ITEM NUMBER THREE.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION? CHAIRMAN, GU, YOU DON'T NEED A MOTION.
ACTUALLY, YOUR POWER AS A CHAIR ALLOWS YOU TO ORDER THE AGENDA HOW YOU WOULD LIKE.
WELL, AT THIS TIME, TO ACCOMMODATE THE UH, UH, THE APPLICANT, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE ITEM NUMBER FOUR AND IF MADAM CLERK WOULD PLEASE READ THE AGENDA.
[4. 25-55122 Recommendation to approve a Certificate of Appropriateness and adopt the proposed findings and conditions of approval thereto, for construction of a new one-story 443-square-foot addition to an existing single-family dwelling. The project also includes a new 501-square-foot attached two-car garage, with all additions located at the rear of the property. The project site is located at 3647 Rose Avenue, within the Single-family Residential, standard lot (R-1-N) and is a Contributing Structure within the California Heights Historic District. (District 5) Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]
FOUR IS A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND ADOPT THE PROPOSED FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THERETO FOR CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW ONE STORY 443 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION TO AN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING.THE PROJECT ALSO INCLUDES A NEW 501 SQUARE FOOT ATTACHED TO GAR GARAGE WITH ALL ADDITIONS LOCATED AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
THE PROP, THE PROJECT SITE IS LOCATED AT 3 6 4 7 ROSE AVENUE WITHIN THE SINGLE FAMILY RE RESIDENTIAL STANDARD LOT AND IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE WITHIN THE CALIFORNIA HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT DISTRICT FIVE.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO HEAR THIS ITEM? CHAIRMAN WAN, YOU RECEIVED THE MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER PIZZA AND THE SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER BODEK.
MAY I HAVE THE PRESENTATION? YES, I AM, UH, DELIGHTED TO INTRODUCE, UH, STAFF PLANNER PABLO CASTILLA, WHO WILL BE PROVIDING THIS PRESENTATION.
PABLO JOINED OUR TEAM EARLY LAST YEAR, AND THIS IS HIS FIRST PRESENTATION BEFORE THE COMMISSION.
GOOD EVENING, CHAIR AND FELLOW COMMISSIONERS BEFORE YOU.
THIS EVENING IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR 36 47 ROSE AVENUE WITHIN THE CALIFORNIA HEIGHTS HISTORIC
THE PROJECT SITE IS LOCATED AT 36 47 ROSE AVENUE WITHIN THE CALIFORNIA HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT AND IS ZONED R ONE N FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USE.
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THE LOT SIZE IS APPROXIMATELY 7,650 SQUARE FEET, UM, WITH THE BUILDING OF 2,709 SQUARE FEET.THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, AND WEST ARE ALSO ZONED R ONE N AND THE GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS FCN UH, TWO STORY.
THE PROJECT SITE WAS DEVELOPED IN 1937 AS A SINGLE STORY, SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING IN A MINIMAL TRADITIONAL ARCHITECTURAL STYLE.
THE PROJECT REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW ONE STORY FOR HUNDRED AND 43 SQUARE FOOT EDITION TO AN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING, ALONG WITH A NEW 501 SQUARE FOOT ATTACHED TO CAR GARAGE, BOTH LOCATED AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
THE STRUCTURE IS A HISTORICALLY CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE WITHIN THE CALIFORNIA HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THIS IS AN EXISTING, THIS IS THE EXISTING SITE PLAN FOR 36 47 ROWS.
THE PRIMARY DWELLING IS CENTRALLY LOCATED ON THE LOT WITH A COURTYARD AREA AT THE CENTER.
THE DWELLING IS ORIENTED WITH ITS FRONT FACING ROSE AVENUE AND INCLUDES SIDE YARD ACCESS ALONG BOTH NORTH AND SOUTH PROPERTY LINES TO THE REAR.
THERE IS AN OPEN YARD AREA WITH ACCESS FROM THE ALLEY WHERE THE PROPOSED GARAGE IN ADDITION, WILL BE LOCATED.
THE EXISTING SITE IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH A TWO CAR GARAGE AND A SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT IS COMPRISED OF 10 GENERAL AREAS THAT INCLUDE ENTRY ROOM, LIVING SPACE, FAMILY ROOM, DINING ROOM, KITCHEN, THREE BEDROOMS AND TWO BATHROOMS. THE FRONT EAST FACING STREET ELEVATION SHOWCASES MOSTLY ASYMMETRICAL FACADE WITH HORIZONTAL WOOD SIDING, UH, COMPLIMENTED BY A WHITE TRIM, CLASSICAL TRIM DETAILING ADORNING THE FRONT DOOR AND BRICK DETAILING IN A RUNNING BOND PATTERN, THREE SLIDERS WITH A WHITE TRIM AND A DARK SHUTTERS THAT FRAME THE WINDOWS CONTRIBUTE TO THE BALANCED AND TRADITIONAL CHARACTER OF THE FACADE.
A BRICK PATHWAY EXTENDS FROM THE SIDEWALK TO THE FRONT STEPS.
THE BRICK PATH IS CONSTRUCTED IN A RUNNING BOND PATTERN THAT CREATES AN INVITING TRANSITION FROM STREET TO HOME.
THE SOUTH ELEVATION FEATURES A WIDE PAVED DRIVEWAY THAT EXTENDS ALONG THE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE, PROVIDING CLEAR ACCESS TO THE REAR YARD.
THE ELEVATION FEATURES REGULARLY SPACED WINDOWS, INCLUDING TWO DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS FLANKING A PROMINENT BRICK CHIMNEY WITH A RUNNING BOND PATTERN CONTRIBUTING TO A SYMMETRICAL AND BALANCED ARCHITECTURAL EXPRESSION.
THE CHIMNEY PROJECTS OUTWARD SLIGHTLY FROM THE WALL PLANE, ADDING DEPTH AND VISUAL INTEREST.
THE ROOF OVERHANGS ARE SHALLOW AND SIDE ENTRY DOOR IS SITUATED NEAR THE REAR PORTION OF THE DWELLING.
THE FACADE MAINTAINS CONSISTENT STUCCO IN A SAND FINISH WITH DECORATIVE TRIM AND WINDOWS.
THE SOUTHWEST ELEVATION ILLUSTRATES THE DWELLINGS RELATIONSHIP TO THE REAR AND SIDE YARD AREAS.
THE WEST ELEVATION LOCATED AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY INCLUDES A WIDE EXPANSION OF PA PAVED HARDSCAPE FOR VEHICULAR AXIS.
THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY IS ENCLOSED BY A MASONRY WALL.
THE COURTYARD IS CENTRALLY LOCATED AND ENCLOSED BY EXTERIOR WALLS OF THE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE.
FORMING A PRIVATE SEMI OPEN AIRSPACE, IT IS ACCESSIBLE VIA MULTIPLE ENTRY POINTS.
THE DEFINING ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE OF THE COURTYARD IS THE OVERHEAD PERGOLA STYLE PATIO CONSTRUCTED WITH EVENLY SPACED HORIZONTAL SLATS, WHICH PROVIDE PARTIAL SHADE.
THE WALLS ARE FINISHED, UH, IN STUCCO AND THE GLASS DOORS AND WINDOWS OFFER VISUAL ACCESS TO THE COURTYARD FROM SEVERAL DIRECTIONS.
THE NORTH ELEVATION OF THE PROPERTY FEATURES A NARROW SIDE YARD CORRIDOR RUNNING ALONG THE LENGTH OF THE BUILDING ENCLOSED BY A COMBINATION OF SOLID FENCING AND MATURE VEGETATION.
THE SIDE YARD IS FINISHED WITH A MIX OF HARDSCAPE ELEMENTS PROVIDING PEDESTRIAN ACCESS ALONG THE STRUCTURE.
THE BUILDING WALL ON THIS SIDE IS FINISHED WITH SMOOTH STUCCO CONSISTENT WITH THE REST OF THE EXTERIOR.
THE ROOF LINE INCLUDES SIMPLE EAVE WITH EXPOSED RAFTER TAILS IN KEEPING WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OF THE HOME.
THE OVERALL LAYOUT OF THE NORTH SIDE IS FUNCTIONALLY FUNCTIONING PRIMARILY AS A SERVICE PASSAGE WHILE MAINTAINING A COHESIVE DESIGN CONSISTENT WITH THE STRUCTURE'S.
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PROPERTY FEATURES A COMBINATION OF HARDSCAPE AND OPEN YARD SPACE, DELINEATING BY A SOLID MASONRY BLOCK WALL THAT ENCLOSES THE REAR PROPERTY LINE.THIS AREA SERVES AS FUNCTIONAL OUTDOOR SPACE WITH ACCESS TO THE GARAGE.
THE PAVED PORTION ACCOMMODATES CIRCULATION.
THE UNPAVED SECTION INCLUDES A GRAVEL PATH AND PLANTING AREAS WITH, UH, YOUNG TREES.
THE PROPOSED FLOOR PLAN ILLUSTRATES A COHESIVE LAYOUT INTEGRATING THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE, NEW ADDITION AND GARAGE.
THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE MAINTAINS A CENTRALIZED FLOOR PLAN ANCHORED BY THE EXISTING COURTYARD.
THE PROPOSED ADDITION HIGHLIGHTED IN ORANGE, IS LOCATED AT THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE, EXPANDING INTERIOR LIVING AREAS THAT INCLUDE A NEW CRAFT ROOM AND LAUNDRY ROOM.
THE PROPOSED GARAGE HIGHLIGHTED IN GREEN WILL CONTINUE TO PROVIDE TWO PARKING SPACES.
THE LAYOUT REFLECTS A WELL ORGANIZED DISTRIBUTION OF SPACE, PRESERVING THE INTERNAL COURTYARD AS A UNIFYING ELEMENT WHILE ENABLING THE INTRODUCTION OF ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL FUNCTIONS.
THE PROPOSED EAST ELEVATION AS VIEWED FROM ROSE AVENUE, INDICATES NO CHANGES TO THE FRONT ELEVATION.
THE EAST ELEVATION MAINTAINS THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL SCALE AND MASSING CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONTEXT.
A MINOR POP-OUT ADDITION IS VISIBLE TOWARDS THE REAR OF THE ELEVATION, PROJECTING APPROXIMATELY FOUR FEET FROM THE MAIN WALL PLANE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE.
THIS MODEST EXTENSION IS SEAMLESSLY INTEGRATED INTO THE OVERALL DESIGN, PUSHED BACK 68 FEET AND MAINTAINS THE SAME MATERIAL FINISH.
THE PROPOSED NORTH ELEVATION PRESENTS A CONTINUOUS SIDE FACADE CHARACTERIZED BY A CONSISTENT ROOF LINE REFLECTING THE BUILDING'S SINGLE STORY RESIDENTIAL FORM.
NO CHANGES ARE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.
THE PROPOSED WEST ELEVATION DEPICTS THE REAR FACADE OF THE PROPERTY.
THIS ELEVATION IS PRIMARILY DEFINED BY THE NEW GARAGE, TWO CAR, TWO CAR GARAGE, WHICH FEATURES A LOW PITCHED ROOF, UH, MATCHING THE EXISTING STRUCTURE IN FORM AND MATERIALS MAINTAINING A HARMONIOUS APPEARANCE WHEN VIEWED AS A WHOLE.
THE WEST FACADE FACES THE REAR YARD AND ALLEY.
THE SOUTH ELEVATION PRESENTS A LONG LINEAR FACADE FACING THE SIDE YARD, MAINTAINING THE EXISTING MASSING WHILE INTEGRATING THE PROPOSED ADDITIONS.
THE ELEVATION REMAINS COMPATIBLE WITH THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE IN SCALE AND MATERIALS.
A NOTABLE FEATURE ALONG THIS ELEVATION IS THE PRESENCE OF A SIDE ENTRY DOOR PROVIDING ACCESS TO THE RESIDENTS VIA THE LAUNDRY ROOM.
THE DOOR IS ACCESSED VIA A SMALL SET OF CONCRETE AND, UH, STEPS ENHANCING FUNCTIONALITY WHILE MAINTAINING LOW PROFILE CONSISTENT WITH THE SIMPLE CHARACTER.
HERE ARE THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL SPECIFIC TO THE WINDOWS AS PART OF THE PROJECT ON NEW WINDOWS PROPOSED IN.
THE ADDITION MUST BE WOOD WINDOWS TO MAINTAIN COMPATIBILITY WITH THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE PROPERTY.
FINAL WOOD SPECIFICATION WILL BE REVIEWED AT THE PLAN CHECK STAGE AND MUST INCLUDE MANUFACTURER SERIES, NAME MODEL, AND VERIFIED AGAINST THE WINDOWS SCHEDULE.
ADDITIONALLY, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT ANY FUTURE FUTURE REPLACEMENT OF NON-ORIGINAL VINYL WINDOWS IN THE EXISTING STRUCTURE WILL ALSO REQUIRE THE USE OF WOOD WINDOWS.
PROPERTY OWNERS WILL NEED TO MAINTAIN OBTAIN FUTURE PLANNING APPROVAL HERE.
THE REQUIRED FINDINGS, UM, IN ORDER FOR THE CULTURAL HERITAGE COMMISSION TO ISSUE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS ON APRIL 16TH, 2020 FIVE, ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY FIVE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICES WERE MAILED AND NO COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED.
THE PROJECT WAS DETERMINED TO BE CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT FROM SQL UNDER SECTION 15 3 0 3 FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION OF SMALL STRUCTURES.
SO NO FURTHER ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW IS REQUIRED.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS ALONG WITH THE FINDINGS, CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
THE PROJECT INCLUDES A NEW ONE STORY 443 SQUARE FOOT EDITION TO THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING AND A 501 SQUARE FOOT ATTACHED TWO CAR GARAGE AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 36 47 ROWS.
THAT CONCLUDES STAFF PRESENTATION.
I AM AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
THE APPLICANT, UH, RICHARD WILLIAMS, IS ALSO JOINING US VIA ZOOM AND IS AVAILABLE TO PROVIDE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, UH, OR RESPOND TO ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.
THANK YOU MR. MISS CASTILLA AT THIS TIME.
COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE PRESENTATION?
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UH, YES I DO.UM, THANK YOU PABLO FOR THAT PRESENTATION AND CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR FIRST, UH, PROJECT HERE,
UM, I HAD A QUESTION ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION.
THE CHIMNEY IS SHOWN DIFFERENT THAN UM, WHAT'S ACTUALLY THERE AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, I'M ASSUMING IT'S NOT BEING TOUCHED BECAUSE THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION OF THE CHIMNEY BEING CHANGED.
BUT YEAH, IF YOU GO TO THE SOUTH PROPOSED, YEAH, SEE, IT'S JUST A BIG BLOCK, LIKE IT'S A SOLID BRICK THING THAT'S JUST DEPICTED IN THIS DRAWING THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT BEING CHANGED.
CORRECT? YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THE SCOPE.
UM, I ALSO WANTED TO JUST POINT OUT, UM, I NOTICED THE THE NEW PLAN HAS, UM, ENCROACHED THE CURRENT DRIVEWAY.
AND I KNOW IN THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES FOR CALIFORNIA HEIGHTS, I'M NOTICING, UM, 1.3 0.1 DRIVEWAYS SHOULD NOT BE RELOCATED OR RESIZED.
THE WIDTH LOCATION AND CONFIGURATION OF EXISTING DRIVEWAYS SHOULD BE RETAINED AS THIS WILL PRESERVE THE BUILDING'S HISTORIC RELATIONSHIP TO ITS SITE AND MAINTAIN THE VISUAL CONTINUITY OF THE DISTRICT.
SO I'M JUST WONDERING, WAS THERE ANY STUDIES DONE WHERE YOU COULD CONTINUE TO KEEP THE DRIVEWAY AS AN INTACT, UM, THING, UH, OR, OR, OR, OR FEATURE, LET'S PUT IT THAT WAY.
UM, AND HAVE THE GARAGE, UH, BE ACCESSED THROUGH THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY, WHICH HAS A CURB CUT AND EVERYTHING.
UH, THIS IS, UH, ALEJANDRO OVER HERE AT THE CITY, UH, STAFF DESK.
THIS PROJECT DID GO THROUGH SEVERAL, UH, DIFFERENT REVISIONS.
UH, THERE WAS, UH, NUMEROUS, UH, REVISIONS INCLUDING, UH, GOING OVER DIFFERENT, UM, LAYOUTS.
UH, THIS ONE JUST HAPPENED TO WORK, UH, REASONABLY WELL.
THE GUIDELINES, UH, DO STATE AS, UH, AS YOU STATED.
UH, THE REASON STAFF, UH, IS, UH, RECOMMENDING, UH, APPROVAL HERE IS IS THAT THE, UH, THE EXTENSION, UH, INTO THE SIDE YARD IS, IS OR INTO THE DRIVEWAY IS FURTHER BACK.
UH, SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UM, BUILDING FROM THE STREET, UH, THE LOT AS ACTUALLY SLOPES UP A LITTLE BIT.
UH, SO IN STAFF'S VIEW, IT SEEMED, UH, THAT IT WAS NOT, UH, AS, UH, IMPACTFUL, UH, AS SAY ON A FLATTER LOT OR A LOT THAT HAD MORE, UH, VISIBILITY THERE.
THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPLANATION.
UM, AND THERE IS A, A GATE THAT'S CURRENTLY ON THE DRIVEWAY, I ASSUME THAT'S BEING RETAINED.
THERE'S THIS, UH, A METAL GATE THAT I SAW WHEN I VISITED THE SITE AND IT ALSO DOES SCREEN, I THINK THE NEW ADDITION, CORRECT? YEAH.
UM, AND THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD ASK THE APPLICANT IS I'VE NOTICED THE, THE FRONT WINDOWS ARE NOT ORIGINAL, THE SLIDERS.
I, I MEAN, IT'S KIND OF OBVIOUS
AND I WOULD JUST ASK THAT, THAT BE LOOKED AT IN THE FUTURE IF THOSE WERE CHANGED.
AND I WOULD RECOMMEND THEM BEING CHANGED 'CAUSE IT DOES, UM, NOT LOOK QUITE APPROPRIATE THE WAY IT IS CURRENTLY.
COMMISSIONER PISO, ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS PROJECT? I, I THINK WE'RE JUST, ANY QUESTIONS ON THE PRESENTATION? YOU'LL HAVE SOME OPPORTUNITY BEHIND THE RAIL TO DISCUSS THE PROJECT AS WELL.
UH, COMMISSIONER PRYOR, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.
SO THE, THE PART THAT'S GOING INTO THE DRIVEWAY THAT'S MAKING THE DRIVEWAY A LITTLE BIT SMALLER, DOES THAT RESULT IN LESS AVAILABLE PARKING? UH, NO.
THEY ARE PROPOSING A, UH, THERE'S CURRENTLY A TWO CAR GARAGE ON THE PROPERTY AND THEY'RE GOING TO REPLACE THE, THE TWO CAR GARAGE WITH A NEW TWO CAR GARAGE.
I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE HOW MUCH PARKING IS AVAILABLE IN THE DRIVEWAY CURRENTLY? AND DOES THIS REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF CARS AVAILABLE THERE? YOU KNOW IT WELL, SO IT'S TWO PARTS, RIGHT? SO THE, THE, UM, IN, YOU KNOW, IN THE REAL WORLD, YOU STILL CAN PARK IN THE DRIVEWAY.
I THINK FOR US, THE CODE REQUIREMENT IS, IS WHAT WE HAVE TO ABIDE BY.
SO THE CODE DOES REQUIRE THAT, UM, YOU HAVE TO DO A, A TWO CAR GARAGE.
BUT YES, THERE IS SUFFICIENT AMOUNT FOR AT LEAST A COUPLE OF, UM, CARS TO PARK ON THE DRIVEWAY.
STILL, THE, THE, THE LENGTH WILL BE A BIT REDUCED.
AND I THINK JUST TO EXPAND ON THAT, UM, WE'RE ONLY ABLE TO CONSIDER IT A FORMAL PARKING SPACE IF IT'S IN A GARAGE UNDER THE CODE.
SO IT'S NOT CONSIDERED A LOSS OF PARKING UNDER THE CODE BECAUSE IT'S NOT A LEGAL SPACE IN
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THE GARAGE.ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? IF THERE ARE NOT, BEFORE WE OPEN UP THE PUBLIC COMMENT, I WOULD LIKE THE APPLICANT IF THEY, IF IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION AT THIS TIME AND THE APPLICANT IS VIRTUAL.
IF WE COULD HAVE THE CLERK, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND UNMUTE YOURSELF.
HI, THIS IS RICHARD WILLIAMS. HI, RICHARD.
JUST WANTED TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR COMING TONIGHT AND TAKING A LOOK AT THIS.
UM, IT'S BEEN A LONG HAUL, BUT WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE PROJECT.
THANK YOU MR. WILLIAMS. ON THAT.
IF THERE ARE NO OTHER COMMENTS, MR. WILLIAMS, WE'D LIKE TO OPEN THIS UP TO PUBLIC COMMENTS REGARDING THIS ITEM.
IF THERE ARE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC IN PERSON THAT WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR, PLEASE LINE UP AT THE PODIUM AT THIS TIME.
DO I NEED TO SIGN SOMETHING HERE? AND IF YOU'D LIKE TO JUST STEP TO THE MICROPHONE AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
MY NAME IS ROSEMARY MILES AND MY ADDRESS IS 36 30 GAVITA.
AND I RECEIVED A NOTICE OF THE PUBLIC MEETING.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS I NOTICED WHEN I SAW THE PRESENTATION IS THAT THE OPEN SPACE IS DRASTICALLY REDUCED AND MOST OF THE PROPERTIES AROUND THERE HAVE AN ADDITION OF SOME SORT, BUT THEY STILL HAVE A LOT OF OPEN SPACE LEFT.
SO THIS PROPERTY'S NOT GONNA BE IN KEEPING WITH THE REST OF THE PROPERTIES IF IT'S BUILT OUT THE WAY IT LOOKS.
SO IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE THIS IS TAKING A STEP TOWARDS HAVING LESS OPEN SPACE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, OVER AND ABOVE WITH EVERYBODY ELSE HAVING DONE THEIR ADDITIONS, HAVING, LEAVING LOTS OF OPEN, OPEN SPACE AFTERWARDS.
I DO APPRECIATE THAT THEY KEPT THE WINDOWS THAT AND MADE THE REQUIREMENT THAT THEY HAVE TO BE CONFORMED BECAUSE THEY'RE NON-CONFORMING RIGHT NOW.
AND THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SPEND A LOT OF MONEY TO PUT WOOD WINDOWS IN, INCLUDING WHEN THEY WERE NON-CONFORMING.
IS IS THIS A NEW OWNER OR A RECENT OWNER OF THE PROPERTY? UH, NO, WE DON'T BELIEVE SO.
BUT THE, THE, UH, SORRY, JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS IS YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT OPPORTUNITIES, SO YOU SHOULD USE THAT TIME TO SPEAK TO THE COMMISSION.
THEY CAN CLEAR UP ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE WITH STAFF, BUT WE DON'T WANNA INFRINGE ON YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT TIME.
UM, WELL, I JUST POINT OUT THAT, UM, THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE, UH, BEEN REQUIRED TO, UM, TAKE OUT NON-CONFORMING WINDOWS AND MAKE THEM CONFORMING.
AND SO I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT THAT'S IN THE PROJECT, INCLUDING EXISTING NON-CONFORMING WINDOWS WHEN THEY HAVE TO BE REPLACED.
BUT I DO THINK THAT CAUTION SHOULD BE TAKEN WITH REDUCING THE FEEL OF THE CULTURAL NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH HAS A LOT OF OPEN SPACE, AND I DON'T SEE IT IN THIS PROJECT AFTER THE PROJECT IS COMPLETED.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? NO, BUT THANK YOU FOR COMING DOWN THIS EVENING TO DISCUSS THIS IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
ARE THERE ANYBODY ELSE HERE TONIGHT THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THIS PROJECT? IF, IF THERE ARE NONE VIRTUALLY, IF THERE ARE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE USE THE RAISE HAND FEATURE.
IF DIALING IN TELEPHONICALLY, PRESS STAR NINE NOW.
SEE NO ONE THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS ITEM.
IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION REGARDING THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER PADILLA PEREZ HERE.
I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
UM, I DID NOTICE THAT THE WINDOW SCHEDULE, THERE WAS SOME CALL OUTS ON THE ELEVATIONS THAT DO SAY WOOD WINDOWS, BUT AT THIS TIME THE
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WINDOW SCHEDULE APPEARS TO BE COMPLETE.UM, I JUST WANTED TO ASK PLANNING STAFF IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER SUBMISSION WITH THAT WINDOW SCHEDULE BEING COMPLETE TO SHOW THE MATERIALS ON THE WINDOW SCHEDULE.
I ALSO NOTICED THE EXISTING PLAN HAS WINDOW TAGS, BUT THE PROPOSED PLAN DOESN'T SHOW ANY WINDOW TAGS.
SO IT'S, WE CAN'T LOOK AT THE WINDOW SCHEDULE AND COMPARE THEM TO THE WINDOWS ON THE PROPOSED TO TELL WHICH WINDOWS ARE WHAT, AND THEN THE MATERIALS ARE MISSING FROM THE SCHEDULE.
IT JUST, I KNOW IT COULD GET MISSED IN BUILDING AND SAFETY CHECKS, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE PLANNING LOOKS AT IT FIRST BEFORE IT GO AND IT, THE WINDOW SCHEDULE WILL BE COMPLETED THAT TIME.
THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT.
YEAH, WE WILL, UH, ABSOLUTELY DO THAT.
UM, FROM TIME TO TIME, UH, WE DO MISS SOME PERIODIC THINGS, UH, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY CORRECT IT AS PROPOSED.
EVERYTHING IN THE ADDITION WILL WILL BE WITH WINDOWS AND THE EXISTING WINDOWS IN THE EXISTING DWELLING.
WE'LL, WE'LL STAY FOR THE MOMENT AND WE DO HAVE THAT CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT HELPS TO RE-CLARIFY.
SO THAT'LL BE REQUIRED TO BE ATTACHED TO THE PLAN SET FOR BUILDING AND SAFETY, UM, BUT DEFINITELY HELPFUL TO POINT IT OUT TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT MISSED.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UH, VICE CHAIR, GFI? UM, SO ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT CAME UP WAS ABOUT OPEN SPACE, AND I JUST WANTED TO CHECK WITH PLANNING BECAUSE, UH, IF, IF MY UNDERSTANDING IS CORRECT, THAT COURTYARD DOES, UH, DOES COMPLY WITH OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS, RIGHT? YES.
UH, THIS IS ALEJANDRO AT THE CITY DESK AGAIN.
UM, SO, UH, THE OPEN COURTYARD IN THE MIDDLE, UH, DOES STILL COUNT AS, UH, OUTDOOR LIVING SPACE, UH, WHICH MEETS THE ZONING CODE REQUIREMENT, UH, AS WELL AS THE LITTLE CORNER, UH, IN THE BACKYARD THAT, UH, STILL REMAINS AS OPEN SPACE.
SO THE PROJECT DOES MEET THE ZONING CODE REQUIREMENT FOR OPEN SPACE, AND THE TOP OF PAGE FOUR ON YOUR STAFF REPORT INCLUDES THE TABLE OF REQUIRED STANDARDS, INCLUDING OPEN SPACE AND AS PROPOSED WOULD EXCEED THE REQUIREMENT BY ABOUT 4%.
SO THE REQUIRED 16% AND PROPOSE IS 20.
UM, SO THEN THE OTHER THING IS THE A D THOSE DO, UM, FURTHER REDUCE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THINGS LIKE OPEN SPACE AND PARKING IF I'M, IF I UNDERSTAND THE CODE CORRECTLY.
IS THAT TRUE? UH, THANKS FOR THE QUESTION, COMMISSIONER.
SO, UH, THIS SANCHEZ LOPEZ, UH, TRANS PLANNING OFFICER, IT, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE CASE THAT THEY REDUCE THOSE REQUIREMENTS, BUT MORE SO THAT THEY ARE EXEMPT THEMSELVES FROM THOSE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS.
SO UNDERST STATE LAW ADUS ARE CLASSIFIED DIFFERENTLY THAN PRIMARY DWELLING UNITS.
WHERE FOR EVERY PRIMARY DOLING UNIT IN AN R ONE ZONE LIKE THIS ONE, THERE'S A 16% OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT, UH, FOR THE LOT ADUS ARE EXEMPT FROM THOSE REQUIREMENTS AND THEY'RE EXEMPT FROM PROVIDING ADDITIONAL PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
SO THEY DON'T REDUCE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE LAW OVERALL, BUT AS A SPECIFIC UNIQUE TYPE OF PROJECT, UM, UNDER STATE REGULATIONS, THEY DON'T HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THOSE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS THEMSELVES.
OKAY, THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UH, COMMISSIONER PIZO, THERE'S, UM, AN IMAGE OF A WOOD FENCE THAT SAYS IN THE, THAT'S LOCATED IN THE REAR REAR YARD, BUT I THOUGHT THE, THIS IS A MASONRY WALL PROPERTY.
WHERE, WHERE IS THAT WOOD FENCE? ARE COMMISSIONER PIZO? UH, ARE YOU REFERENCING? OH, I JUST, IT'S, IT'S PLAN.
UH, THIS IS SHEET A THREE, CORRECT? YES.
THAT IS A THREE, YES, CORRECT.
A THREE COULD VICE CHAIR, GROFF, COULD THAT BE, UH, A NEW GATE NOW THAT PARKING'S TO THE REAR INSTEAD OF FROM THE FRONT? CORRECT? YEAH, I, WE BELIEVE IT'S THE 'CAUSE JUST FALLING, UH, FALLING BACK TO WHAT COMMISSIONER PIZZA SAID, ISS CURRENTLY A BLOCK WALL.
UH, WE BELIEVE THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE, UH, EITHER A NEW GATE OR A NEW WALL, UM, WHICH IS CURRENTLY, UH, BLOCKING THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY.
WE CAN, WE ALSO HAVE, UH, THE DESIGNER, UH, STILL AVAILABLE.
UH, SO WE CAN ALSO ASK, UM, THE DESIGNER, MR. WILLIAMS, IF YOU'RE THERE.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT QUESTION? UH, YES.
UM, WE HAD TO MOVE THE, UH, ENTRY GATE, UH, SO THAT IT LINED UP WITH THE NEW LOCATION OF THE GARAGE.
UM, SO THAT WILL BE A NEW GATE AND THE BLOCK WALL IN THE BACK WILL BE REMO.
A LOT OF IT WILL HAVE TO BE REMOVED.
SO WE ARE JUST FILLING IN THAT BACK AREA THAT THAT FENCE BACK THERE WILL ALL BE WOOD TO COMPLY WITH THE MATERIALS, YOU KNOW, FOR A FENCE.
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THANK YOU.DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, COMMISSIONER? UH, SOMEWHAT.
SO, SO SOME WALL IS GETTING REMOVED FOR THE GARAGE ENTRY, I ASSUME.
UM, SO, SO BLOCK WALL IS GETTING REMOVED.
THIS IS A, A GATE, AND THEN YOU'RE SAYING SOME OF THE BLOCK WALL IS GETTING REPLACED WITH WOOD FENCE OR, OR NO, I'M NOT QUITE UNDERSTANDING.
WHATEV, WHATEV, OH, THERE YOU ARE.
UH, WHATEVER'S BEING REMOVED WILL BE REPLACED WITH THE BLOCK WALL, UH, BECAUSE THE, THE ENTRY TO THE GARAGE HAD TO BE SHIFTED OVER A LOT OF THAT BLOCK WALL'S HAVING TO, WERE HAVING TO REMOVE IT, SO WE'LL FILL IN THE REMAINING PORTION WITH A BLOCK WALL.
COMMISSIONER PADILLA PEREZ? YES.
UH, COMMISSIONER PIZO? UM, YES.
UH, CLERK, IF YOU PLEASE READ THE NEXT ITEM.
[3. 25-55114 Recommendation to approve a Certificate of Appropriateness and adopt the proposed findings and conditions of approval thereto, to allow a 440-square-foot first floor addition and ground floor deck to the rear of an existing single-family residence. The property is a historically contributing structure within the Bluff Heights Historic District and is located at 371 Molino Avenue in the R-2-A Zone. (District 2) Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]
IS A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND ADOPT THE PROPOSED FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THERETO TO ALLOW A 440 SQUARE FOOT FIRST FLOOR ADDITION AND GROUND FLOOR DECK TO THE REAR OF AN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.THE PROPERTY IS A HISTORICALLY CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE WITHIN THE BLUFF HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND IS LOCATED AT 3 7 1 MOLINO AVENUE IN THE R DASH TWO DASH A ZONE DISTRICT TWO.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO HEAR THIS ITEM? CHAIR? MAGU.
YOU HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER PIZZA.
AND YOU HAVE A SECOND FROM VICE-CHAIR SFE.
AND SECOND, WILL YOU PLEASE PROVIDE THE PRESENTATION? THANK YOU.
OUR SENIOR PLANNER, ALEJANDRO PLACENCIA, WILL PROVIDE THIS PRESENTATION.
THANK YOU, UH, CHAIR AND COMMISSION.
UH, SO I AM HERE TONIGHT TO PRESENT, UH, 3 71, UH, MOLINO AVENUE.
UH, IT'S A 440 SQUARE FOOT, UH, REAR ADDITION.
UH, THERE IS A GROUND FLOOR DECK BEING PROPOSED AS WELL.
UH, WE WILL GET INTO THE DETAILS HERE ON THE NEXT SLIDE.
UH, SO THE LOT SIZE IS, UH, 67, UH, OR 6,737 SQUARE FEET.
UH, THE BUILDING ITSELF IS ABOUT 1300 SQUARE FEET.
IT'S IN THE BLUFF HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UH, THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE ALSO, UH, ZONED.
ACTUALLY, LET ME BACKTRACK HERE.
UH, I THINK I JUST RAN THROUGH THE SITE REALLY QUICKLY.
UH, IT IS A, UH, CALIFORNIA BUNGALOW, UH, ALL ONE STORY.
THERE'S A GARAGE AND A DRIVEWAY JUST TO THE SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, THIS GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT.
UH, IT'S IN ADDITION TO ADD A, A PRIMARY BEDROOM AND BATHROOM.
UH, SO THERE'LL BE A TOTAL OF FOUR BEDROOMS AND TWO BATHS, UH, IN THE HOUSE.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE WITHIN THE BLUFF HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UH, SO IT GIVES YOU THE EXISTING, UH, FOOTPRINT OF THE, UH, EXISTING BUILDING.
UH, SO YOU SEE THE DARK GRAY AREA THERE IS THE PROPOSED ADDITION.
UH, SO IT'LL EFFECTIVELY EXTEND OUT, UH, FROM THE REAR.
THERE'S CURRENTLY, UH, A SMALL MUDROOM, UH, IN THAT BACK AREA.
UH, SO THAT WILL BE REMOVED AND THE ADDITION, UH, WILL EXTEND OUTWARD, UH, TOWARDS THE REAR.
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A DECK, UH, BETWEEN, UH, THE GARAGE AND THE HOUSE, OR NOT BETWEEN, BUT, UM, ATTACHED TO THE HOUSE ITSELF AND CONNECTED TO THE SIDE OF THE ADDITION AND THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.UH, THIS IS THE HOUSE HERE, UH, OR THE SUBJECT BUILDING HERE AS MENTIONED, IT'S A, IT'S A BUNGALOW.
UH, IT HAS ALL THE EXISTING CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES THAT YOU ASSOCIATE WITH THIS ARCHITECTURAL STYLE, UH, INCLUDING THE PORCH, UH, THE GABLES, UH, THE OUTRIGGERS OR THE EXPOSED BEAMS, UH, THE EXISTING DOOR YOU'LL SEE THERE, WHICH, UH, THE EXISTING DOOR HAS, UH, AMAZING, UH, DOOR HARDWARE, WHICH IS, UH, PRETTY RARE, UH, THAT THE FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN IT.
UM, BUT, UH, THE PORCH COLUMNS ARE THERE, UH, EXPOSED RAFTERS.
THERE'S WIDE ROOF EVE OVERHANGS ON THIS BUILDING, WHICH IS TYPICAL FOR THIS ARCHITECTURAL STYLE.
UH, ALONG THE DRIVEWAY THERE, THE COVERED AREA, YOU SEE THERE IS, UH, AN EXISTING SIDE PORCH THAT, UH, OPENS UP INTO THE DRIVEWAY.
UH, SO THESE PHOTOS, UH, ARE ALL TAKEN FROM THE DRIVEWAY TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT, UH, FOR WHAT YOU'LL SEE, UH, FROM THAT PARTICULAR AREA THERE.
UH, SO THE BUILDING HAS A, A SLIGHT CROSS GABLE TO IT AS WELL.
YOU SEE IT THERE, UH, IN THE, UM, WHEN THE PICTURE, UH, WITH THE GATE AND THE TRASH CANS.
UH, THESE ARE PHOTOS AT THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.
UH, TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF, OF PERSPECTIVE ON WHAT'S AT THE BACK, UH, THE PICTURE WITH THE DOOR THERE IS THE, THE MUD ROOM, UH, WHICH, OR AT LEAST THE LIKELY A MUD ROOM AT THE TIME.
I THINK IT'S USED AS SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY NOW.
UH, BUT IT ALSO HAS A DOOR AND IT'S SMALL, UM, STUPOR OR LANDING, UH, TO PROVIDE, UH, ACCESS TO, TO THE REAR YARD.
UH, SO AS MENTIONED, UH, THE BUILDING IS PRETTY WELL INTACT.
THE SIDING IS, UM, ALL IN PLACE.
UH, THE EX, THE REST OF THE MATERIALS ARE ALL WOOD.
UH, THERE'S A SLATTED VENTS AT THE VERY TOP.
UH, THERE'S A COUPLE OF TRIM BOARDS AROUND THE WINDOWS AND ONE UNDERNEATH THE WINDOW, WHICH WRAPS AROUND.
UH, JUST A COUPLE OF MORE PHOTOGRAPHS HERE.
WE BELIEVE IT'S A, A BAY WINDOW THERE, UH, WHICH STILL HAS THE ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS, UH, WITH THE REST OF THE BUILDING.
UH, THERE ARE, UM, UH, NON, NON-WOOD WINDOWS, UH, WE'LL SAY.
UM, SO THE EXISTING BUILDING CURRENTLY HAS THAT FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE EXISTING WINDOWS.
UM, AND THEN IN THE LAST PICTURE THERE YOU'LL SEE THE, UH, THE PORCH COLUMN WITH THE CASTSTONE FINISH, UH, AT THE BASE OF THE COLUMN, WHICH AGAIN, ALSO VERY TYPICAL FOR, UH, THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE.
UH, THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE SIDE OF THE GARAGE HERE.
SO I'M STANDING IN THE REAR YARD TAKING THIS PHOTOGRAPH HERE.
UM, SO IS A WOOD DOOR THERE, UH, VERY NARROW DOOR, I SHOULD SAY.
AND, OKAY, SO THESE ARE THE ELEVATION DRAWINGS.
SO WE COVERED A LOT OF THESE, UH, IN THE PHOTOGRAPHS.
UH, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT HERE TO ALSO SHOW, UM, WHAT THE BUILDING LOOKS LIKE, UH, IN PLAN VIEW.
SO PARTICULARLY IN THE EXISTING NORTH ELEVATION, YOU SEE THE GARAGE AND THE EXISTING DWELLING AND THE SEPARATION BETWEEN THE TWO.
UH, HERE YOU HAVE THE EXISTING WEST AND SOUTH ELEVATION, AND HERE WE'RE SHOWING YOU THE SITE PLAN AND THE PROPOSED FLOOR PLAN.
UH, SO AS MENTIONED, UH, IT IS A 440 SQUARE FOOT EDITION.
UH, THEY'RE EXTENDING THIS AREA OUT TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, LIVING AREA.
SO IT'LL BE PROPOSED, UH, NEW BEDROOM, UH, AND BATH.
UH, SO IT'LL BECOME THE PRIMARY, UH, EN SUITE HERE, UH, PLUS THE INTERIOR REMODELING, UH, TO HELP THE FAMILY WITH, UH, GETTING A LITTLE EXTRA SPACE HERE.
UH, SO HERE WE HAVE THE PROPOSED FRONT ELEVATION WITH THE COLORS.
UH, WE ARE ALSO SHOWING THE PROPOSED, UH, WEST ELEVATION, WHICH IS THE REAR.
UM, SO HERE YOU REALLY KIND OF SEE WHAT THE REAR ELEVATION WILL LOOK LIKE.
UH, THERE ARE TWO GABLES PROPOSED, UH, ONE THAT CONTINUES THE LINE OF THE EXISTING FRONT GABLE, EXCUSE ME, AND A SMALLER GABLE, UH, JUST TO THE SIDE, UM, SHOWING, UM, WHERE THAT LITTLE POP OUT WILL BE.
THE EXISTING COLORS ARE LIGHT BLUE, UM, AND BLUE, AND, UM, A CREAM COLOR.
UH, SO VERY LIGHT COLORS, UH, WHICH ARE REASONABLE, I THINK, FOR THE DISTRICT.
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ADDITION OVERALL, UH, THE SIZE, THE SCALE, UH, THE MATERIALS ARE ALL COMPATIBLE.SO THE ADDITION, UH, WE'LL ALL USE, UH, WOOD SIDING, UH, WOOD WINDOWS.
UH, THE ROOF SHINGLES WILL ALSO, UH, MATCH THE EXISTING DWELLING.
UH, WHERE THERE IS ONE, UM, ISSUE HERE IS, IS THAT THE ARCHITECT IS PROPO PROPOSING, UH, A FIBERGLASS WINDOW WHERE THE BATHROOM IS BEING PROPOSED.
SO I'M GONNA GO BACK HERE TO THE FLOOR PLAN HERE.
UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T HAVE THE, UM, RED LASER POINTER HERE, BUT, UM, THIS WILL BE ALONG THE SIDE YARD OR THE NORTH SIDE THERE.
UM, SO TWO WINDOWS ARE BEING PROPOSED IN THE PROPOSED BATHROOM.
UH, THEY'RE VERY SMALL WINDOWS.
UH, ONE WILL BE DIRECTLY OVER TO THE VANITY, AND, UH, A SECOND ONE WILL BE OVER IN, IN THE SHOWER.
UH, THE ONE IN THE SHOWER IS BEING PROPOSED TO BE FIBERGLASS.
SO THE REASON WE'RE BRINGING THIS UP IS, IS BECAUSE OUR, OUR GUIDELINES, AND THE PARTICULAR, UM, SUBSTITUTE MATERIALS MEMO THAT WAS PRESENTED THIS COMMISSION IN 2022 AND APPROVED BY THIS COMMISSION, UH, REQUIRES THAT ANYTHING THAT IS A CONTRIBUTING BUILDING, SUCH AS, UH, THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING, UH, ANYTIME THEY'RE DOING AN ADDITION, MUST BE ALL WINDOWS, UH, ALL WOOD WINDOWS.
UM, SO THEY CAN'T USE, UH, SOME OF THE SUBSTITUTE MATERIALS THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED, LIKE FIBERGLASS OR, UH, OTHER TYPES OF MATERIALS.
UM, SO THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, UH, JUST, UH, FOR THE GOOD OF THE PUBLIC IS A, A BUILDING FROM THE PERIOD, UH, THAT IS ORIGINAL, UH, THAT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE FOR THE PARTICULAR DISTRICT.
UM, SO WHAT WE, WHAT THE COMMISSION CONCLUDED HERE IS, IS THAT THE, THIS ADDITION, UH, INSTEAD, INSTEAD OF HAVING THE FIBERGLASS WINDOW, WOULD HAVE TO BE A WOOD WINDOW IN THE SHOWER.
UH, SO CURRENTLY, UH, AS THIS PROJECT IS PRESENTED TO THIS COMMISSION, UH, THE ONLY WAY THAT, UH, WE COULD SUPPORT THE PROJECT IS BASED ON THE MEMO THAT THIS COMMISSION APPROVED.
UH, SO THERE IS A CONDITION CURRENTLY THAT, THAT, UH, SHOWER WINDOW BE WOOD.
UM, SO I THINK AS STAFF, UH, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE UNDERSTAND THE PRACTICALITY OF, UH, WHAT THE, UH, FIBERGLASS, UH, WINDOW, UM, CAN DO.
UH, SO WE CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT IN A BATHROOM OR A SHOWER SITUATION.
UH, SO WE ALSO WANTED TO JUST POINT OUT THAT WE DO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC.
UH, AS THIS COMMISSION KNOWS, WE, WE DEAL WITH THE PUBLIC, UH, PRETTY REGULARLY.
WE ADVISE, UH, ARCHITECTS, DESIGNERS, AS SOME OF SOME OF YOU ARE, UM, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT OUR GUIDELINES SAY, UH, WHAT OUR SUBSTITUTE MATERIALS, UH, MEMOS AS.
AND SO WE GUIDE, UH, APPLICANTS, UH, ON THEIR PROJECTS AND THE APPROPRIATE MATERIALS TO USE.
UH, SO WE HAVE HEARD IN THE PAST, UH, AS CITY STAFF THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME, THIS IS A DIFFICULT, UM, REQUIREMENT TO, TO DO BECAUSE THE WOOD WINDOWS WILL ULTIMATELY, UH, DETERIORATE WITH THE MOISTURE, UH, IN THE SHOWER.
UM, SO WE'VE HEARD THAT BEFORE.
I THINK ONE OF THE OTHER ONES, UH, THAT'S BEING PROPOSED IN THIS, UM, PROJECT IS FROSTED GLASS.
UH, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE MEMO DID NOT, UM, PREVIOUSLY TAKE INTO ACCOUNT.
UH, NOR DID WE GO INTO A LEVEL OF DETAIL IN THE MEMO TO, YOU KNOW, REALLY TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THIS TYPE OF SITUATION ON A MORE MICRO SCALE.
UH, WHEN THE COMMISSION WAS, UH, EXCUSE ME, WHEN THE MEMO WAS PRESENTED, UH, OR IN THE PRESENTATION FOR THE, UH, SUBSTITUTE MATERIALS WAS PRESENTED TO THIS COMMISSION, UH, IT WAS REALLY THOUGHT MORE ON A LARGER SCALE.
SO WHAT DO WE DO WITH NON-CONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS? THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF QUESTIONS THAT WE PROPOSED TO THIS COMMISSION.
UH, IF WE WANTED, UH, WOOD WINDOWS ALL IN CONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS OR IF THERE WAS ANY, UH, FLEXIBILITY OR DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
UH, SO THAT WAS REALLY THE PURPOSE OF THAT PARTICULAR, UH, PRESENTATION AT THE TIME.
UH, SO WE DIDN'T GET INTO THIS LEVEL OF, UM, UM, DETAIL, UM, IN THE, IN THE, IN THE STAFF, UH, MEMO.
UH, SO WE DIDN'T COVER THE SHOWERS.
UH, WE DIDN'T COVER FROSTED GLASS AS BEING PROPOSED, UH, TONIGHT.
UM, SO, BUT WE ALSO UNDERSTAND AGAIN, UM, THE NEED FOR SOME PRIVACY, UH, THE NEED FOR SOME, UM, MATERIALS THAT ARE RESISTANT TO, TO WATER AND MOISTURE.
UH, I THINK ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'VE HEARD, UH, FROM, UM, THE, THE APPLICANTS TONIGHT, BUT AS WELL AS, UH, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC IS JUST THAT, UM, A LOT OF TIMES BATHROOMS ARE LOCATED IN A PART OF A BUILDING OR ON, ON THE PART OF THE LOT WHERE YOU REALLY DON'T SEE IT FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
UH, SO THAT'S ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE, UH, LET US KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S, UH, LESS LIKELIHOOD THAT YOU'LL, YOU'LL SEE IT OR THAT IT'LL STICK OUT, UH, OR THAT IT'LL APPEAR UNUSUAL IN ANY WAY.
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UM, SO WE WANTED TO JUST KIND OF PRESENT, UH, THAT SIDE OF IT AS AS WELL.UM, HAVING SAID THAT, UM, BECAUSE, UH, THE COMMISSION, UH, APPROVED, UH, THE MEMO, UH, THE COMMISSION DOES HAVE THE DISCRETION, UH, TO MAKE DECISIONS THAT ARE DIFFERENT, UH, FROM THE MEMO CURRENTLY.
UM, SO THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WE ARE PUTTING THIS ALL TOGETHER AND, UH, EXPLAINING, UH, JUST SORT OF THE DETAILS THAT WE MISSED IN THE MEMO, UH, AND SOME OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, UH, THAT WE HEAR.
UH, BUT WE ALSO CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND, UH, THE COMMISSION'S, UH, DIRECT GUIDANCE, UH, FROM THIS MEMO.
UH, SO WE ALSO WANT TO BE, UM, YOU KNOW, RESPECTFUL OF THAT AS WELL.
UH, ALSO I THINK FOR US AS STAFF, UM, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE PROJECT, UM, AND EVEN THOUGH WE HAVEN'T CONDITIONED AS, UH, WOOD WINDOW NOW, UH, WE DO BELIEVE THAT WE CAN MAKE THE FINDINGS, UH, FOR A FIBERGLASS WINDOW, UM, AT THE SITE, UH, WHERE THAT WINDOW, UH, WHERE THAT SHOWER IS AT, IS PROBABLY ABOUT 70 FEET, UH, FROM THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE.
UH, SO IT'S AT A CONSIDERABLE DISTANCE, UH, FROM THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE.
AND, UH, IF YOU ARE REALLY LOOKING AT EVERY SINGLE WIND WINDOW ON THE BUILDING, UH, THEN MAYBE YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY IT.
UH, BUT OTHERWISE IT'S SET BACK SIGNIFICANTLY AND YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T SEE IT AT THAT POINT.
UM, SO, UM, ROUNDING THIS UP HERE.
UH, THESE ARE THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL HERE.
THESE ARE THE, THE LAST THREE THAT ARE, UM, ITEMIZED THIS UNDER SPECIAL CONDITIONS.
UH, SO WE DID NOTE THAT, UH, DUE TO THE MEMO, UH, THAT THE SHOWER WINDOW OR WINDOW F IN THIS CASE AS OUTLINED IN THIS WINDOW SCHEDULE, UH, DOES HAVE TO BE WOOD.
UH, WE ALSO, UH, ADDED A CONDITION THAT ALL NEW WINDOWS IN THE PROPOSED EDITION BE WOOD, UH, WHICH WOULD BE STANDARD PRACTICE FOR THIS COMMISSION AS, UH, AS WELL AS CITY STAFF.
UH, AND THEN LASTLY, UH, WE ADDED A CONDITION THAT THERE BE FUTURE REPLACEMENT OF, UH, THE NON-ORIGINAL, UH, WINDOWS IN THE EXISTING DWELLING, UH, SO THAT AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, UH, THAT THOSE BE CHANGED, UH, TO, UH, MAKE THE, THE BUILDING MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE DISTRICT BY ADDING THE WOOD WINDOWS IN THE FUTURE.
UH, HAVING SAID THAT, AGAIN, WE DO BELIEVE WE CAN MAKE THE FINDINGS, UH, THESE ARE THE, UH, FINDINGS, UH, AS OUTLINED HERE BEFORE YOU.
UM, AND THEN LASTLY, UH, THE NOTICING AND ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW.
UH, WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS, UH, ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.
UH, THE CITY DETERMINED THAT THE PROJECT CAN BE CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT AS WELL.
UM, AND, UH, THE FINAL SLIDE HERE, UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPROVE THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, UH, WITH THE PROPOSED FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS.
WE WILL, UH, BE AVAILABLE FOR, UH, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.
THANK YOU, ALEJANDRO, FOR THAT PRESENTATION.
IT SEEMS THAT THIS IS THE STICKING POINT FOR YOUR PRESENTATION IS THE TWO WINDOWS, UH, ON THE ADDITION.
AND YOUR SUGGESTION THAT ONE WINDOW WILL BE FIBERGLASS AND ONE WINDOW WILL BE WOOD MATERIAL, ONE WILL BE FROSTED AND ONE WILL BE CLEAR.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY, AS CONDITIONED STAFF HAS, UM, CONDITIONED IT SO THAT ALL WOOD HAVE TO BE WOOD, BECAUSE THAT'S OUR INTERPRETATION OF THE EXISTING MEMO, HOWEVER, UM, WE DO BELIEVE THAT, UH, THE FINDINGS COULD BE MADE TO ALLOW FOR THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST, UH, FOR THE ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS.
GIVEN THE CONTEXT OF OF THE SHOWER, IT IS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE COME TO US OFTENTIMES WITH A CONCERN ABOUT PRACTICALITY OF, OF PUTTING A NEW WINDOW IN A RESTROOM, UM, ESPECIALLY AT A SHOWER.
UM, AND WE DO FIND THAT THE, THE FINDINGS, THE LEGAL FINDINGS COULD BE MADE EVEN IF THE COMMISSION WERE TO, UM, USE THEIR DISCRETION TO ALLOW THE ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS BEING PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT.
BUT AS OF TODAY, THE CONDITION THAT SAS BROUGHT FORWARD DUE TO THAT 2022 MEMO DOES, UM, REQUIRE ALL THE WINDOWS TO BE WOOD AND THE CONDITIONS THAT STAFF IS REFERRING TO IN CASE THE COMMISSIONERS WANNA LOOK AT THAT ARE COMMISSION OUR CONDITIONS 16 AND 17.
YOU MENTIONED EARLIER THAT THIS PARTICULAR HOME IS A NON CONTRIBU TO THE DISTRICT.
YEAH, THIS IS A, UH, JUST TO CLARIFY, IT'S A CONTRIBUTING BUILDING TO THE DISTRICT.
IT IS CONTRIBUTING, AND THE ADDITION WINDOWS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING RIGHT NOW ARE NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.
UH, THERE'S A DRIVEWAY, UH, JUST TO THE NORTH OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, BUT, UH, IT'LL BE LESS VISIBLE BECAUSE IT IS SIGNIFICANTLY, UH, DEEP INTO THE PROPERTY ABOUT 70
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FEET.COMMISSIONERS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT? YES.
UM, THANK YOU ALEJANDRO, FOR THAT PRESENTATION.
I KNOW IT'S KIND OF GETTING COMPLICATED, BUT, UM, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY.
THE FROSTING OF THE GLASS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE SAYING THOSE TWO WINDOWS CAN HAVE OR CANNOT HAVE.
'CAUSE IT'S NOT IN THE SPECIAL CONDITIONS.
I SEE THE WOOD, I SEE THE WINDOW E GOT CHANGED TO F WHICH IS NOW ACCURATE FOR THE SHOWER, UM, FROM, FROM WHEN I, UH, LOOKED AT IT PRIOR.
UM, AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE FROST IS, ARE THEY TO BE FROSTED AT THIS POINT IN TIME OR NOT? UH, YES, THEY'RE SPO THEY'RE BOTH SUPPOSED TO BE FROSTED.
SO YEAH, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE MISSED IN THE CONDITIONS.
YEAH, WELL, I'D JUST LIKE TO POINT OUT, I, I KNOW THERE ARE WAYS TO DEAL WITH FROSTING WITH FILM, UM, WHICH IS REMOVABLE.
UM, I, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD CONSIDER.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE TOLD THAT TO THE
IT'S, UM, YOU COULD DO TEXTURED, IT COULD MATCH THE FRONT DOOR TEXTURE OF THAT FRONT DOOR GLASS.
I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF WAYS TO DEAL WITH FROSTING AS OPPOSED TO PUTTING IN AN ACTUAL FROSTED PIECE OF GLASS.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IS UNDERSTOOD AND, AND WE CAN DISCUSS THAT LATER.
BUT I, I DIDN'T KNOW IF THE APPLICANT, UM, IS AWARE OF THAT.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON THE PRESENTATION? UH, COMMISSIONER PRYOR, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.
THE, YOU SAID THE TWO WINDOWS ARE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET, BUT THEY'RE 70 FEET BACK FROM THE STREET OR THE PROP, RIGHT? CORRECT.
ARE THEY VISIBLE FROM THE NEIGHBOR'S WINDOWS? I MEAN, CAN THE NEIGHBORS LOOK OUT AND SEE THIS FROSTED GLASS WINDOW? UH, YEAH.
SO THERE IS A, A NEIGHBOR, UH, JUST TO THE NORTH OF THIS PROPERTY, THE WINDOWS ARE BEING PROPOSED.
SO YEAH, THAT NEIGHBOR, IF THEY WERE STANDING IN THEIR DRIVEWAY OR IN THEIR BACKYARD, COULD SEE IT.
UH, I THINK FOR US THE DISTINCTION IS, IS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, EVEN THOUGH IT IS A DIFFERENT MATERIAL, UM, YOU'LL HAVE TO BE LOOKING REALLY, REALLY CLOSE TO REALLY NOTICE THE DIFFERENCE, UH, THAT FAR BACK.
BUT THE OWNER, UH, JUST TO THE NORTH OF IT WILL BE ABLE TO SEE IT.
AND THE VISIBILITY FROM THE STREET COMES UP IN TERMS OF HOW WE REGULATE FOR THE DISTRICT AS A WHOLE BEING A RESOURCE.
AND, AND THE IMPACT THAT THERE COULD BE OF THIS PROJECT, UM, YOU KNOW, SAYING THAT IT'S VISIBLE FROM 70 FEET BACK, YES, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE IT, BUT WILL, AS, AS WAS MENTIONED, WILL YOU REALLY BE ABLE TO DISCERN, I KNOW MANY OTHER CITIES, UM, TAKE A, FOR EXAMPLE, IN SOUTH PASADENA, THEY ONLY CONSIDER IT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET IF IT'S WITHIN 10 FEET OF THE, UM, OF THE FRONT OF THE HOME OR THE STRUCTURE.
UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO BE CONSIDERED JUST AS A COMPARISON.
UM, SO DO WE KNOW WHAT THE COLOR OF THIS, THE, THE NEW WINDOW IS GONNA BE? AND DO WE, DO WE KNOW THAT, UH, WE COULD PROBABLY BRING UP THE, UH, APPLICANT AND, UH, THE ARCHITECT AND THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THE MORE SPECIFIC, UH, QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BUILDING DESIGN? THAT WOULD BE GOOD.
DID WE GET TO THAT POINT YET? NO.
AT THIS TIME, ANY COMMISSIONER WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS ON THE PRESENTATION BEFORE WE ASK THE APPLICANT TO ADDRESS OUR CONCERNS.
IF THERE ARE NOT, WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO STEP UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, WHICH WE KNOW.
THANK YOU ALL FOR TAKING THE TIME TODAY TO LISTEN TO OUR PROJECT HERE.
UM, MY NAME IS STEPHANIE OSORIO.
I'M THE OWNER OF OSORIO ARCHITECTURE HERE IN LONG BEACH, AND I AM THE ARCHITECT FOR DAN AND HIS WIFE JAN ON 3 71 ANO.
UM, FIRST OFF, I JUST HAVE TO SAY I JUST FINISHED A HISTORIC PROCESS IN THE CITY OF LA FOR JEFFERSON PARK, AND, UM, I JUST WANNA POINT OUT THAT THE LONG BEACH PLANNING DEPARTMENT REALLY DISTINGUISHES ITSELF IN TERMS OF THE AMOUNT OF TIME AND SUPPORT THAT THEY GIVE TO, UM, APPLICANTS.
SO I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR THAT.
THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
UM, THE OTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO ADD IS THAT WE DID REACH OUT TO, UM, THE BLUFF HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, SPOKE TO THE BOARD PRESIDENT, UH, STEVEN SUTTON, AND, UM, HAD A GREAT CONVERSATION.
HE DOESN'T SEE ANY MAJOR, OR HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY NEGATIVE FEEDBACK, UM, ABOUT THIS HOME FITTING WITHIN THE FABRIC OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
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DAN TO SPEAK.SHOULD I, IS IT OKAY IF HE SPEAKS FOR A LITTLE BIT RIGHT NOW, UH, BEFORE, BEFORE YOU PASS ON? YEAH.
UH, VICE CHAIR SFI HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE COLOR OF THE OH, YES.
SO THAT IS GONNA MATCH THE EXISTING COLOR OF THE PROPO, LIKE THE EXISTING COLOR OF THE WINDOWS, WHICH WE'RE REPAINTING TO MATCH THE EXISTING.
SO ALL WINDOWS WILL BE THE SAME COLOR, CORRECT? CORRECT.
AND, AND I NOTICED IT'S A DOUBLE HUNG WINDOW, IS THAT TRUE? CORRECT.
IS THAT WINDOW GONNA HAVE A SCREEN ON IT? UH, AT THIS TIME WE HAVE SPECIFIED THAT ALL WINDOWS WILL HAVE SCREENS, HOWEVER, EVER.
UM, I, THE REASON I ASK IS BECAUSE, UM, I THINK THE SCREEN OBSCURES THE FACT THAT IT MAY NOT BE THE SAME MATERIAL.
AND JUST LOOKING AT SOME OF THE OTHER PHOTOGRAPHS YOU HAD FROM EXISTING SCREENS, IT'S, THIS IS TRUE.
EVEN THOSE, I THINK ALUMINUM WINDOWS ARE, IT'S HARD.
IT'S HARD TO TELL WHAT THE SCREEN IN FRONT OF, HARD TO TELL.
I MEAN, IT'S, WE KNOW, BUT YES.
OH, AND ONE LAST THING I FORGOT TO MENTION.
I WAS REQUESTED TO BRING IN A SAMPLE OF A FIBERGLASS WINDOW, SO I ACTUALLY HAVE IT AND CAN BRING IT TO THE COMMISSIONERS.
IF, I MEAN, IT'S A LITTLE BIG, PLEASE DO.
BUT
SO THIS IS THE MILGARD ULTRA FIBERGLASS, UM, WINDOW THAT WOULD BE PROPOSED.
THIS, I'M SORRY, IT'S PAINTABLE.
THE FIBERGLASS IS PAINTABLE UNLIKE VINYL.
IS, IS THIS THE COLOR IT'S GONNA BE ON? NO, NO, THIS, WELL, THE, NOT THE DARK.
SO THE DARK WE ARE NOT DOING, BUT THE WHITE WE ARE.
IN MILGARD, THEY CALL THAT FROST.
WILL THE WINDOW BE DOUBLE PANE LIKE THIS? THE WIND? YES.
SO THAT ALREADY IS A DIFFERENCE BASED ON A WOOD WINDOW, WHICH PROBABLY WE'RE GETTING DONE BY RESTORATION DOOR AND SASH THAT WILL HAVE A, UH, LOW E COATING, BUT YES, SINGLE PAIN.
I NOTICED THE SHOWER HEAD IS ABOUT FIVE FOOT FOUR FROM THE WINDOW.
DO YOU REALLY SEE THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF WETNESS? I'M ASSUMING THAT THE SHOWER'S TILED, RIGHT? IT'S GONNA HAVE A TILE SILL AND A TILE SURROUND, WHICH IS USUALLY THE VULNERABLE PARTS OF THE WINDOW FOR, UH, MOISTURE IS THE, THE BUILDUP OF WATER ON THE SILL.
SO I'M, I'M NOT SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS, THIS HUGE DESIRE TO HAVE A NON-WOOD WINDOW THERE.
I GET THAT IT PROBABLY IS A LITTLE BIT MORE DURABLE TO MOISTURE, BUT AS A OPENING, AS A WINDOW THAT OPENS, I'M ASSUMING STEAM'S GONNA GET OUT.
YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO VENT THE AREA PRETTY WELL.
UM, SO I'M, I'M STRUGGLING WITH THIS IDEA THAT, YOU KNOW, IN 2022, THERE WAS A STUDY, I REMEMBER IT WELL MM-HMM
I REMEMBER A LOT OF THE ASSOCIATIONS AND ORGANIZATIONS WERE INVOLVED IN IT MM-HMM
AND I JUST KNOW THAT, UM, THESE DECISIONS WERE MADE AND I, I WOULD HATE TO SORT OF RENEGE THEM AND SORT OF START A, A, A DOMINO EFFECT TO OTHER PROJECTS, UH, BASED ON THIS.
SO THAT, THAT'S WHY I BRING IT UP.
BUT, UM, I I'M JUST CURIOUS IF, UM, YOU REALLY FEEL THAT THERE'S GONNA BE THAT MUCH WATER ON THIS WINDOW FROM FIVE FOOT FOUR OVER, RIGHT.
CER CERTAINLY IT'S NOT GONNA HAVE DIRECT, YOU KNOW, SPRAY ON IT, BUT JUST BEING IN A HIGHER MOISTURE ENVIRONMENT, I JUST FEEL BEST PRACTICES WOULD DICTATE HAVING A MORE STURDY MATERIAL TO BE ABLE TO STAND UP TO THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I FELT, I, I AGREE.
THE 2022, UM, STUDY THAT YOU GUYS DID, WHICH I GUESS WAS IN TWO PARTS, WAS GREAT.
AND ONE OF THE POINTS THAT IT BROUGHT UP WAS THAT WOOD WINDOWS DO REQUIRE A LOT MORE MAINTENANCE, DO REQUIRE A LOT MORE CARE.
AND THAT IS EVEN MADE HARDER WHEN THEY'RE IN A HIGH MOISTURE ENVIRONMENT.
UM, WHEN THAT UPKEEP IS NOT MADE, WHICH I'M SURE DAN AND JAN WILL STILL DO, BUT WHEN THAT UPKEEP IS NOT MADE, CERTAIN THINGS CAN HAPPEN, LIKE, UM, INDOOR AIR QUALITY CAN BE COMPROMISED BECAUSE THE WINDOWS ARE NOT FILTERING AS MUCH AS THEY WOULD'VE IF THEY WERE, UM, YOU KNOW, A FIBERGLASS WINDOW OR A WELL-MAINTAINED WOOD WINDOW.
UM, I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
YOU ARE AWARE THAT THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD USE TEAK AS A, AS A A WINDOW, WHICH IS VERY DURABLE FOR WEATHER.
UH, IT'S USED OUTSIDE, UM, POLYURETHANE, BOAT FINISH, EXTERIOR PAINT.
THERE'S A LOT OF WAYS TO KEEP THE WOOD WINDOW FROM GETTING DETERIORATED.
UM, BUT LIKE YOU SAID, THERE'S SOME MAINTENANCE OF COURSE,
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INVOLVED A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT I'M JUST POINTING THOSE THINGS OUT.AND ARE YOU AWARE OF THE FILM, UM, TO PUT ON THE WINDOWS AS OPPOSED TO THAT? YEAH, ACTUALLY I THINK THAT'S A, THAT WAS AN EXCELLENT IDEA.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
WELL, THE NEXT COMMISSIONERS ARE PREPARING THEIR QUESTIONS.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT FOR OUR ATTENDEES THAT IF YOU'RE LOOKING TO TAKE A PEEK AT THAT FIBERGLASS WINDOW, IT'S HERE IN THE FRONT AND YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME AND LOOK AT IT.
COMMISSIONER BODAK WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE APPLICANT.
I NOTICED IN THE, UM, STREET VIEW THAT THERE'S NO WALL OR FENCE BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORING DRIVEWAY AND, AND THIS HOUSE.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS, I THINK THE OWNER IS SAYING YES ON THE NORTH SIDE.
AND THAT'S GONNA REMAIN IN THAT CONDITION, OR WOULD YOU PUT AT SOME POINT A FENCE OR A WALL UP? UH, SO I ACTUALLY, I WANT TO SLIGHTLY, THERE'S, THERE IS AN EXISTING MASONRY WALL THAT, UM, REALLY QUICK, I, I APOLOGIZE IF WE COULD JUST HAVE YOU, UM, SAY YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
YEAH, DAN ERT, UH, THE HOMEOWNER AT 3 71 MILINO.
UM, SO THERE IS AN EXISTING MASONRY WALL, UH, THAT EXTENDS OUT FROM THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY, BUT IT ONLY EXTENDS, UM, IT EXTENDS PAST INTO THE, THE STRUGGLING TO, IT EXTENDS INTO THE, INTO PAST THE, THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.
UM, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THIS ONE? AND IT ACTUALLY EXTENDS LIKE THE, THESE, THE PROPOSED FIBERGLASS WINDOW IS ACTUALLY BEHIND THIS WALL.
UM, BUT THE MASONRY WALL IS, SO DOES THE MASONRY WALL GO BASICALLY WHERE YOUR SHRUB IS? CORRECT.
AND IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE PROPOSED NORTH ELEVATION, YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE CROSS SECTION OF THE WALL THAT'S JUST, UH, TOWARD THE STREET OF, OF THIS, OF THIS WINDOW THAT'S BEING DISCUSSED.
UH, SO THAT WALL IS THERE AND IT WILL REMAIN, IS THE SHRUB STAIN.
SO IF YOU CONSIDER THE SHRUB, THE WINDOW WON'T BE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET AT ALL.
A COUPLE COMMENTS WERE BROUGHT UP BY THE COMMISSION.
ONE WAS FILM VERSUS FROSTED, AND THE OTHER WAS, CAN THE NEIGHBOR SEE THOSE? IM IMPROVEMENTS TO THE, THE NEW ADDITION.
AND OF COURSE, YOU ALWAYS WANNA HAVE SOME PRIVACY WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS WITHIN A FEW FEET FROM YOUR SHOWER AND BATHROOM AREA.
UM, SO I KNOW THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT.
I DON'T KNOW IF FROSTED, IF THE WINDOWS YOU DECIDE DOWN THE ROAD YOU CAN REPLACE THE PANE, UH, VERSUS PULLING OFF THE FILM.
YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THE FILM WILL DELAMINATE OVER TIME, SO THAT IS AN ISSUE, UM, REGARDING THE FIBERGLASS, THE WINDOWS, YOU KNOW, APPEAR AS THOUGH THEY LOOK LIKE WOOD, BUT AT THE SAME TIME AS THE COMMISSION WILL DECIDE ON IF THIS VARIANCE MAY BE APPROVED.
BEFORE WE MOVE ON, IS THERE ANY OTHER ITEMS YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? NO, I'M GOOD.
WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE ON UNLESS THERE IS OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION THAT WE'D LIKE TO OPEN THIS UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
AT THIS TIME, WOULD YOU PLEASE ADDRESS THE PODIUM, YOUR NAME? OH, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.
UM, I'M, UH, SERVING AS THE VICE PRESIDENT FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION FOR THE BLUFF PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH WHERE THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN BLUFF HEIGHTS.
UM, MY PURPOSE FOR COMING AND MAKING PUBLIC COMMENT IS, UM, TO THANK THE STAFF FOR A VERY VIBRANT, UM, DISCUSSION OF WHAT HAPPENED, UM, ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO WITH A MULTI-TIERED, HIGHLY COMPREHENSIVE, HIGHLY DETAILED STUDY THAT HAPPENED IN WHICH I, I WAS INVOLVED WHEN I SERVED AS PRESIDENT OF BLUFF PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
UM, OUR ASSOCIATION ALONG WITH OTHER ASSOCIATIONS, LONG BEACH HERITAGE, UM, AND, UM, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT LEADERS.
AND, UM, A LOT OF MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC BROUGHT UP A WIDE VARIETY OF, OF PERSPECTIVES.
AND I THINK THOSE ARE ALL WELL REPRESENTED IN WHAT ALEJANDRO PRESENTED AND INCLUDED IN THE MATERIALS TO YOU.
I ALSO THINK THAT, UM, UM, THERE WAS A GREAT CONSIDERATION AT THAT TIME, UH, FOR EQUITY AND FOR THE COST CONSIDERATIONS OF WOOD WINDOWS, PARTICULARLY WHEN IT HAD TO DO WITH REPLACING A LOT OF WOOD WINDOWS
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OR REPLACING, UM, WINDOWS IN AREAS OF LONG BEACH THAT, UM, WERE MAYBE LESS AFFLUENT.UM, THERE WAS A, UM, THERE WAS GREAT ATTENTION TO COMPARATIVE STUDIES, UH, LOOKING AT OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS, OTHER CITIES WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE GREATER LOS ANGELES AREA AND BEYOND THAT AS WELL AS YOU SAW IN THE REPORT, I THINK WHAT CAME AS A RESULT OF THIS, UM, WAS A WIN-WIN FOR EVERYBODY.
UM, I THINK THE, IT WAS A COMPROMISE, UH, DECISION, UH, AND, UM, AND REALLY WAS, I THOUGHT ONE OF THE LEADING PRACTICES.
I KNOW WE DON'T NECESSARILY USE THE WORD BEST PRACTICE ANYMORE, BUT A LEADING PRACTICE IN TERMS OF THE PROCESS AND THE OUTCOME.
UM, SO I THANK THE STAFF FOR WHAT HAPPENED IN 2022, AND I THANK THEM FOR BRINGING THIS ISSUE UP IN SUCH A THOUGHTFUL, COMPREHENSIVE WAY FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
I DO, UM, THINK THAT, UM, THAT I, AND I ALSO APPRECIATE THE STAFF ARE TRYING TO UPHOLD TO THAT, TO THOSE, UM, GUIDELINES.
UM, AND, UM, I ACTUALLY WOULD CAUTION ON A PERSONAL LEVEL, UM, MAKING DETERMINATIONS FOR USE OF NON, UM, WOOD WINDOWS IN BATHROOMS AS A STANDARD KIND OF THING, BECAUSE IT TENDS TO BE A HIGH MOISTURE ENVIRONMENT.
BUT OVERALL, UM, I THINK THE QUESTIONS ARE GOOD AND I, I I, I REALLY APPRECIATE WHERE THE STAFF HAS, HAS LANDED WITH THIS AND, UM, AND THE THOUGHTFUL PROCESS THAT CAME WITH IT.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE PROJECT AT THIS TIME BEFORE WE OPEN IT UP TO VIRTUAL? IF THERE ARE NONE, SEEING NONE, UH, VIRTUALLY THERE ARE NO, IF THERE ARE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE USE THE RAISE HAND FEATURE.
IF DIALING IN TELEPHONICALLY, PRESS STAR NINE NOW.
SEEING NONE, THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS ITEM, AND WE CURRENTLY HAVE NO VIRTUAL ATTENDEES.
AT THIS TIME, COMMISSIONERS, ARE THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS REGARDING THIS APPLICANT? YES, I HAVE COMMISSIONER PEREZ HERE.
UM, SOME, SOME OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE MENTIONED THAT IT'S, IT CAN BE A BIT OF A SLIPPERY SLOPE IF WE ALLOW THIS VARIANCE OF THE WINDOW.
UM, COMMISSIONER PIZZA MADE SOME VERY GOOD POINTS THAT THERE ARE SOME, UH, SURFACE TREATMENTS THAT CAN BE MADE TO THE WOOD WINDOW THAT WOULD INCREASE THE LONGEVITY, UM, AS WELL AS DECREASE THE HOW OFTEN THE MAINTENANCE WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, AN ENHANCED SLOPE CAN BE DONE ON THE SILL TO FURTHER DIRECT WATER AWAY.
UH, BUILDING AND SAFETY, AS YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE SOME CONDITIONS FOR A HUMIDS STAT, WHICH WILL ALSO HELP CONTROL THE LEVEL OF MOISTURE THAT REMAINS IN THE BATHROOM, EVEN IF THE WINDOWS WERE CLOSED.
UM, THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IF THE COMMISSION VOTES AS A LARGER BODY TO APPROVE THE VINYL WINDOW, I WOULD SAY IF FROSTING IS ALLOWED, 'CAUSE I'M NOT FAVORABLE TO THE, THE FILM WINDOW TREATMENT AS CHAIRMAN.
UM, MAGU STATED IT, IT CAN DELAMINATE OVER TIME OR IF IT'S NOT APPLIED RIGHT, IT COULD LOOK A LITTLE BUBBLY, WHICH WOULD BE EVEN WORSE IS THAT THE CONTEMPORARY VINYL WINDOW WOULD NEED TO HAVE, UM, OR I'M SORRY, A FIBERGLASS WINDOW WOULD NEED TO HAVE THE, THE STANDARD FROSTING.
BUT I DON'T FEEL IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR A WOOD WINDOW TO HAVE A FROST, A A MODERN FROST ON IT.
IT WOULD NEED, UM, A TEXTURED GLASS, LIKE A RIBBED GLASS, SOMETHING THAT'S MORE PERIOD APPROPRIATE.
UM, BUT WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANNA GIVE A FALSE SENSE OF HISTORY BY ALLOWING A FIBERGLASS WINDOW TO HAVE MORE OF A PERIOD APPROPRIATE TEXTURED GLASS.
'CAUSE IT COULD BE CONFUSED AS BEING MORE OF A HISTORIC STYLE WHEN IT IS NOT.
SO I WOULD SAY THAT'D BE THE ONLY CONDITION I WOULD HAVE IF THE FIBERGLASS WINDOW IS APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION, IS THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TWO DIFFERENT FROSTS AND THEN THE HOMEOWNER WOULD HAVE TO CONTEND WITH BEING OKAY WITH TWO DIFFERENT FROSTS, WHICH MIGHT LOOK A LITTLE FUNKY.
BUT THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY COMMENT.
UH, PDU, THANK, THANK YOU, UH, COMMISSIONER PETTO.
UM, COMMISSIONER PADILLA PEREZ.
UM, I'M A LITTLE BIT ON A DIFFERENT, UH, TRAJECTORY.
I THINK THE GLASS SHOULD, UM, DEFINITELY BE CLEAR AT THE VANITY BECAUSE YOU COULD USE A WINDOW TREATMENT.
THERE ARE SOME GOOD, UH, FILM APPLICATIONS.
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THAT, SO IF IT BUBBLES REDO IT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S NOT GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS GONNA BE, UM, A PROBLEM.UM, AGAIN, A LOT OF PEOPLE USE WINDOW TREATMENTS TO, UM, GET PRIVACY.
I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO, TO DEFINITELY DO FROSTING.
I ALSO FEEL FROSTING IN THE SENSE OF FROSTED GLASS IS NOT REALLY PERIOD APPROPRIATE.
AND I DO THINK IT SHOULD BE A TEXTURED, UH, TYPE OF A, OF A LOOK.
SO, I MEAN, I'M STILL HAPPY TO, TO HEAR OTHER COMMISSIONER'S OPINIONS, BUT I, I WOULD GO SO FAR AS TO SAY THAT THE, THE GLASS SHOULD, THEY SHOULD BOTH BE CLEAR.
UM, I AM WILLING TO TOY WITH THE FIBER GLASS WINDOW BECAUSE OF ALL THE CONVERSATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE, BUT I DO FEEL WOOD IS MUCH MORE APPROPRIATE AND THERE ARE WAYS TO ACCOMMODATE, UM, KEEPING THE WOOD LASTING LONGER.
UM, AGAIN, WE HAVE A FIVE FOOT SPREAD FROM THE, FROM THE SHOWER, UM, HEAD, AND I DON'T SEE A LOT OF WATER HITTING THIS WINDOW.
UM, BUT I SEE, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE MOIST, BUT THEN AGAIN, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE WAYS TO MITIGATE THAT, LIKE, UM, OPENING THE WINDOW AND ALSO THE, YOU KNOW, AS, AS, UH, COMMISSIONER PADIA PEREZ, UM, MENTIONED IT, HUMID FAIR EXTRACTOR.
SO, UM, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M AT.
UM, I'D LOVE TO HEAR WHERE, UM, THE OTHER COMMISSIONER STAND ON THIS TOO.
COMMISSIONER PIZO, VICE CHAIR.
UM, YEAH, I, YEAH, SO I, I TEND TO AGREE.
I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE POSSIBILITY OF DOING A, UM, FOR THE WOOD WINDOW, HAVING THAT CLEAR GLASS WINDOW AND I'M, AND I WOULD BE OKAY WITH, UM, SOME KIND OF TREATMENT OR SOME KIND OF, UH, METHOD FOR OBSCURING VIEW INTO THE SHOWER.
UM, FOR THAT ONE FIBERGLASS WINDOW THAT, UM, TYPE OF MATERIAL, WOULD THAT INCLUDE POSSIBLY HAVING MORE OF A, A, A HISTORIC PERIOD TYPE OF GLASS STAINED GLASS THAT, UH, MAY RESEMBLE SOME HISTORIC, UH, COMPONENT? WHAT WAS THE QUE YOU MEAN THE ACTUAL TEXTURE OF THE GLASS? LIKE WHAT WOULD THAT REP REPRESENT? UM, WELL THE FRONT DOOR DOES HAVE A PEBBLE TEXTURED GLASS FROM WHAT I CAN SEE.
SO I WOULD THINK SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD BE VERY APPROPRIATE.
LIKE A, A SEATED GLASS LOOK OR A PEBBLE TEXTURE SEEMS APPROPRIATE FOR THE SHOWER.
AND AS FAR AS THE MATERIAL WOULD BE AN, AN AGREEMENT THAT FIBERGLASS WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE AND THAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND RIGHT NOW, IF YOU WANNA HAVE THAT.
BUT THERE'S NO MOTION FOR THE FIBERGLASS WINDOW RIGHT NOW.
WHAT CURRENTLY IS IN FRONT OF YOU IS THAT ALL WINDOWS WOULD BE WOOD.
UM, SO IF YOU WANNA HAVE THAT CONVERSATION OR VOTE ON THAT ITEM, IT COULD COME AS A FRIENDLY MOTION.
BUT THAT HASN'T BEEN MADE YET BY A COMMISSIONER.
WOULD ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS LIKE TO, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER, HAVE TO DO IT SINCE YOU MOTION? YEAH, THIS IS YOUR MOTION.
SO YOU HAVE TO I THINK ANYONE COULD FRIENDLY, FRIENDLY OFF OF MY MOTION.
ANYONE COULD DO A FRIENDLY, NO, I, I I WOULD JUST, I WOULD LIKE TO, NOT TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT, BUT WE COULD, WE CAN HANDLE, UM, THIS, THE, THE, THE, THE TEXTURE ON THE GLASS.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE, THE, UM, CONDITIONS TO STATE THAT THE, THE VANITY WINDOW, WHICH IS E UH, BE CLEAR AND THE SHOWER WINDOW F UM, HAVE A PEBBLED TEXTURE OR A, UH, SOME SORT OF TEXTURAL GLASS THAT'S, UM, VINTAGE IN NATURE OR IN NATURE.
ARE YOU NOT COMFORTABLE WITH BOTH WINDOWS BEING A PEBBLE GLASS BECAUSE IT IS REGARDED A PRIVATE AREA, A VANITY PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, PUT THEIR MAKEUP ON AND SO ON AND SO FORTH? I KIND OF WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT MORE UNIFORM.
I, I COULD HAVE, I COULD, UH, I COULD BE SWAYED TO, TO, TO THINK THAT WAY, BUT THERE ARE OTHER WAYS AGAIN, TO, TO DEAL WITH THAT, UM, WITH WINDOW TREATMENTS, ET CETERA.
BUT, UM, I, WHAT, WHAT DO THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS THINK? I MEAN, I, I, I'D LIKE TO HEAR MORE OPINIONS BEFORE I CHANGE MY MIND.
'CAUSE I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT IS ON EVERYONE ELSE'S MINDS.
'CAUSE I, AGAIN, I DO THINK THIS IS A SLIPPERY SLOPE.
'CAUSE IF IT'S A SHOWER, THEN IT'S A KITCHEN AND THEN IT'S A POWDER ROOM AND THEN
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IT'S A, WELL THAT WINDOW'S REALLY CLOSE TO MY SWIMMING POOL AND YOU KNOW, I JUST, THAT IT MAKES ME NERVOUS AS TO WHERE WILL IT END IF THIS VARIANCE IS ALLOWED.COMMISSIONER PRYOR, I WOULD ALSO AGREE WITH THAT.
AND I THINK THAT, UM, UM, THE GOAL IS TO TRY TO BE IN KEEPING AS MUCH AS WE CAN WITH WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE NEEDED IT TO BE IN THE ORIGINAL ORIGINALLY.
SO I THINK THAT NOT HAVING THE FILM ON BOTH WINDOWS, BUT HAVING THE TEXTURED GLASS ON THE ONE AND, AND NOT HAVING IT ON THE OTHER MAKES SENSE TO ME.
UM, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE I'M ALSO MINDFUL AND CONSIDERATE OF THE FACT THAT WHILE THERE MAY BE A SHRUB, BUT IT IS STILL VISIBLE TO PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT IS STILL VISIBLE TO THE NEIGHBOR ITSELF.
AND SO I DON'T THINK MAKING ALL THOSE EXCEPTIONS MAKES A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE.
ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT? THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BODAK.
I WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE TO SAY THAT I DISAGREE AND I THINK BOTH WINDOWS SHOULD BE THE SAME SO THEY'RE IN THE SAME ROOM.
AND IF YOU ARE GETTING OUT OF THE SHOWER AND YOU'RE GOING TO THE SINK, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
UM, YOU ARE STILL IN THE MOST, UH, PRIVATE OF PLACES.
AND I THINK THAT THERE'S, UM, AN INDICATION ON THE EXTERIOR THAT BOTH OF THOSE WINDOWS BEING FROSTED OR TEXTURED, UH, WOULD INDICATE THAT THAT IS, THAT, THAT THOSE TWO WINDOWS SERVE A DIFFERENT FUNCTION THAN THE REST OF THE HOUSE.
SO THAT'S JUST, JUST MY 2 CENTS.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BODAK FOR THAT COMMENT.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS THAT WOULD COMMENT ON THE WINDOW COLORING BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE, THE, THE MATERIAL OF THE WOOD, OF THE FRAME? WELL, I, I THINK GOING BACK NOW AND YOU SAY THEY SHOULD BE THE SAME, THAT'S FINE.
BUT THEN MAYBE WE SHOULD ADDRESS THIS AS THEY STAY CLEAR AND THEN THEY GET FR THEY GET FILM ON BOTH OF THEM IF THEY WISH TO DO SO AND THEY MATCHED BECAUSE THEN THEY WOULD MATCH, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A PERMANENT TEXTURED GLASS.
I MEAN, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING I'M THINKING OF GOING NOW BACK TO THAT CONCEPT.
I DON'T ACTUALLY MIND THEM BOTH BEING FROSTED, HAVING LIVED IN A SIMILAR, VERY SIMILAR FLOOR PLAN, LIKE, UH, LIKE VERY SIMILAR FLOOR PLAN.
UM, I, UH, AM NOT IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT AND IT IS NOT A CONTRIBUTOR, BUT IT LITERALLY LOOKS LIKE THIS HOUSE.
UH, I HAVE TWO BATHROOM WINDOWS.
UH, ONE OF THEM IS NOT IN THE SHOWER.
UM, BECAUSE I DID RELOCATE MY SHOWER BECAUSE OF MOISTURE ISSUES.
UM, AND I HAVE TWO FROSTED WINDOWS, UH, BECAUSE OF THE ADJACENCIES OF THE NEIGHBORS.
AND WHEN YOU ARE, YOU KNOW, IN THE BATHROOM GETTING OUT OF THE SHOWER AND YOUR NEIGHBOR IS FOUR FEET AWAY, A LITTLE BIT OF FROSTING HELPS IN MY OPINION.
SO, UM, I WOULD WANT THEM BOTH TO STAY THE SAME, BUT I WOULD LIKE THEM TO BE FROSTED.
I DO THINK THEY SHOULD BE WOOD, UM, BUT I DO THINK THEY SHOULD BE FROSTED.
I, I'M ONE OF NO THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BODAK FOR THAT GREAT CLARIFICATION AND I APPRECIATE IT.
AND I'M, I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENT THAT THEY SHOULD BO BOTH BE WOOD TOO.
UM, JUST, JUST ON A FLIP NOTE, AS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, UM, YOU DON'T TYPICALLY SEE A FROSTED GLASS IN A SMALL WINDOW.
AND AS ONE WHO ALSO LIVES IN A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE WITH WINDOWS, UH, IN BATHROOMS, DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS THAT ARE CLEAR, UM, WINDOW TREATMENTS ARE JUST FINE.
SO IIII THIS IDEA THAT THE FROSTING IS SOMEHOW GONNA SHIELD YOU FROM THE WORLD, I DON'T, I, I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND, BUT, UM, I GET THE IDEA OF THE CONVENIENCE OF NOT OPENING AND CLOSING A WINDOW TREATMENT PERHAPS.
UM, BUT I'M JUST GONNA THROW THAT OUT THERE BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING I'VE LIVED WITH FOR 25 YEARS.
A CLEAR WINDOW IN A BATHROOM, ACTUALLY TWO IN ONE, AND, UH, AND ONE IN ANOTHER, UH, THAT IS TYPICALLY USED WITH A DECK RIGHT OUTSIDE OF IT, UH, WITH, UH, PARTIES HAPPENING.
SO ANYWAY, I THINK JUST LETTING YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS COULD BE AN HGTV SHOW, UH, CONFESSIONS OF BATHROOMS. YEAH, IT IS
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I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION COMMISSIONER BY THE EDES HERE.
ARE YOU MAKING A SUBSTITUTE MOTION OR A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT? A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT? YEAH.
UM, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER PIZZA AND COMMISSIONER BODEK THAT BOTH WINDOWS SHOULD BE WOOD, BUT I FEEL THE, UM, THE OWNER SHOULD HAVE SOME AGENCY IN CHOOSING WHETHER THAT IS CLEAR GLASS, WHICH THEY APPLY A FROSTED FILM AFTER, OR A PERIOD APPROPRIATE TEXTURED OBSCURE GLASS FOR BOTH WINDOWS.
BOTH WINDOWS JUST HAVE TO BE THE SAME.
UM, IS THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT APPROVED BY COMMISSIONER PIZZA? YES.
AND THEN, UH, VICE CHAIR CHRIS? UM, N NO, I, I I I THINK THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO A FIBERGLASS WINDOW AT THE, AT, AT THE SHOWER.
SO COMMISSIONER PADILLA PEREZ, YOU'RE FRIENDLY HAS NOT BEEN ACCEPTED, BUT YOU COULD CONSIDER A SUBSTITUTE MOTION AND 'CAUSE COMMISSIONER GU YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION? UM, MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WAS WOOD, YES.
AND I, AND I, I, I BELIEVE THAT THEY, I, AFTER SEEING THE SAMPLE, I THINK THAT THEIR PREFERRED, IF, ASSUMING THAT THEIR PREFERRED METHOD IS THE, TO, TO USE THE FIBERGLASS AND I WOULD BE COM I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT DECISION.
SO RIGHT NOW, THE MOTION IN FRONT OF US IS FOR ALLWOOD, IT'S SILENT ON THE, ON THE, ON THE TREATMENT OF THE WINDOW.
CURRENTLY WE HAD A FRIENDLY, UM, AMENDMENT THAT WAS NOT ACCEPTED.
UM, AND THAT'S THE KIND OF STATE OF PLAY BEFORE WE GO INTO A DISCUSSION, I, I CONCUR WITH VICE CHAIR GFI REGARDING THE MATERIAL BEING FIBERGLASS AND VIEWING THAT THE WINDOW IS, IS OF HIGH QUALITY, VERY DIFFICULT TO DISTINGUISH THAT IT IS A FIBERGLASS WINDOW FROM THE ROAD, FROM THE STREET.
AND AS FOR REGARDING THE NEIGHBORS, UM, IT, IT DOES ALLOW PRIVACY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME AS IT ALSO, UH, REFLECTS, UM, UH, THE PERIOD OF, OF THE, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
IF, IF, IF COMMISSIONER PADILLA ARE YOU LOOKING TO PUT FORWARD A SUBSTITUTE MOTION, WE WOULD LIKE TO SUBSTITUTE THE MOTION.
SO ON THAT CONDITION, I'LL GO BACK TO MY STATEMENT EARLIER FOR A SUBSTITUTE MOTION THAT IF A FIBERGLASS WINDOW IS ALLOWED IN THE SHOWER, IT MUST HAVE A CONTEMPORARY FROST.
WHETHER THAT'S A FILM THAT'S APPLIED AFTER OR IF IT'S ORDERED WITH FROST.
BECAUSE MY CONCERN WOULD BE GIVING A FALSE SENSE OF HISTORY AND WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT HONESTY AND MATERIALS.
AND THAT IS NOT A MATERIAL THAT WOULD'VE BEEN USED DURING THE ERA OF THAT HOUSE, IT'S PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE.
SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS RIGHT NOW THERE'S A SUBSTITUTE MOTION, UM, THAT IT BE THE CONDITIONS WITH ONE CHANGE.
AND THAT IS SPECIFICALLY FOR THESE TWO WINDOWS THAT THEY BE TREATED THE SAME AND THAT THEY EITHER HAVE, UM, SOME KIND OF FROST THAT'S A, A PERIOD APPROPRIATE, OR THAT THEY USE A CLEAR AND CAN HAVE TRANSPARENCIES REMOVED.
THEY WOULD BOTH NEED TO BE CLEAR.
AND THEN THE, THE CONTEMPORARY TREATMENT CAN BE ADDED IN, LIKE, AS A FILM.
AND, AND THOSE BOTH, AND THE WINDOWS WOULD BE TREATED THE SAME, THE TWO WINDOWS, CORRECT.
SO THERE IS AN, THERE'S A SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
IS THERE A SECOND? UH, VICE CHAIR.
SO WE HAVE NOW OUR ORIGINAL MOTION AND WE HAVE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
AND TO BE CLEAR, THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION, UH, WOULD ALLOW FOR THE FIBERGLASS MATERIAL IN THE, THE ONE WINDOW.
NO, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE TWO WINDOWS WOULD BE WOOD.
GLAD WE'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION.
NO, JUST THE SHOWER IS FIBERGLASS.
JUST THE SHOWER IS GLASS IS WOOD AND THEY'RE BOTH CLEAR AND THEY'RE BOTH CLEAR.
WITH THE ABILITY TO PUT FILM AFTERWARDS.
AND WE HAVE A SECOND FROM THANK YOU GUYS FROM, UM, VICE CHAIR GUS A AGAIN, CAN YOU REPEAT IT? THE SH
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THE SHOWER IS FIBERGLASS CLEAR AND THE VANITY IS WOOD.WOOD CLEAR WITH THE ABILITY TO PUT ON AN APPROPRIATE TREATMENT ON BOTH? YES.
VERSUS A TYPE OF PEBBLE WINDOW THAT THEY HAVE ON THE FRONT DOOR THAT WOULDN'T BE APPROPRIATE FOR IT.
IT, IT WOULD MAKE IT LOOK LIKE IF WE MATCH THE FRONT DOOR AND MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THAT FIBERGLASS WINDOW COULD POSSIBLY BE ORIGINAL.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE, WHICH IS WHY I'M RECOMMENDING THEY BOTH BE CLEAR.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS, COMMISSIONERS? SO FROM A PROCEDURAL STANDPOINT, WHAT WE WILL DO IS, IT'S KIND OF THE WAY THAT, UM, SUBSTITUTE MOTIONS WORK IS THEY ALMOST, THEY KIND OF COME AROUND THE ORIGINAL MOTION LIKE A LITTLE RUSSIAN NESTING DOLL.
SO WE'LL TAKE THEM APART IN THE ORDER THAT THEY CAME ON.
SO THE FIRST MOTION THAT YOU WILL WOULD VOTE ON, IF WE HAVE ANOTHER SUBSTITUTE MOTION, WE'D START THERE, BUT WE WOULD VOTE ON, UM, COMMISSIONER PADILLA PEREZ'S MOTION.
AND THEN IF THAT FAILED, WE WOULD MOVE TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION, WHICH HAS NO FRIENDLIES, BUT IT'S JUST THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF.
AND CAN I JUST CLARIFY THE ORIGINAL MOTION, THE GLASS FROSTING, WHICH WAS NOT IN ANY OF THE CONDITIONS, IS WHAT IS IN THE ORIGINAL MOTION? 'CAUSE I THINK I HAD ASKED THAT WE DO THEM CLEAR WITH THE ABILITY FOR FROSTING.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S SILENT ON THE ORIGINAL MOTION.
SO THERE'S NO, THERE HAD BEEN NO AMENDMENT TO OR FRIENDLY ON THE ORIGINAL MOTION.
SO WOULD THAT THEN, WOULD THAT, SO THERE'S NO, THERE'S NOTHING STATING THE GLASS IN THAT? NO, THAT WOULD BE A STAFF LEVEL LEVEL WHEN THE INITIAL MOTION SECOND WAS MADE? YEAH, IT WAS JUST THE RECOMMENDATION IN FRONT OF YOU IN THE STAFF REPORT.
SO IT WOULD JUST BE HANDLED AT THE STAFF LEVEL.
AND YOU WOULD STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE A FRIENDLY ON THE ORIGINAL MOTION AFTER THE VOTE ON THE SUBSTITUTE.
THANK, THANK SO AGAIN, THE ORIGINAL MOTION WAS THAT THE WINDOW TREATMENT WOULD BE LEFT UP TO THE APPLICANT AND THE STAFF STAFF DID NOT CLARIFY THAT IN THE ORIGINAL CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
SO THE ORIGINAL MOTION THAT YOU I'LL PUT FORWARD, UM, IN ORDER TO ALLOW US TO PRESENT THE ITEM WAS WITH STAFF'S ORIGINAL CONDITIONS.
I THINK THERE WAS DISCUSSION OF POTENTIAL FRIENDLIES TO THAT ORIGINAL, BUT RIGHT NOW THERE'S THE, UM, SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
UM, AND THEN AFTER THAT THERE'D BE THE ABILITY TO MAKE FRIENDLIES ON THE ORIGINAL AS I UNDERSTAND IT FROM THE ATTORNEY.
SO THE ORIGINAL MOTION WAS ALL WOOD.
SO AT THIS TIME WE'RE AT THE FRIENDLY MOTION FOR ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE WE CALL FOR THE VOTE.
SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION THAT'S IN FRONT OF US FROM COMMISSIONER PADILLA PEREZ, WHICH WAS SECONDED BY VICE CHAIR SFE.
MADAM CLERK, IF YOU'D LIKE TO CALL FOR THE VOTE.
SHOULD I CLARIFY OR DOES STAFF NEED TO CLARIFY WHAT THE MOTION WAS? THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
THERE SHOULD BE NO MORE DISCUSSION.
SO I'LL JUST QUICKLY STATE WHAT THE MOTION IS.
SO THE MOTION THAT YOU'RE VOTING ON, WHICH IS, IT'S A SUBSTITUTE MOTION THAT WAS, UM, PUT FORWARD BY COMMISSIONER PADILLA PEREZ AND SECONDED BY, UM, VICE CHAIR WAN.
AND IT'S TO HAVE THE FIBERGLASS WINDOW IN THE SHOWER, A WOOD WINDOW IN THE VANITY, AND FOR THEM TO BOTH BE CLEAR WITH THE ABILITY FOR A FILM PLACEMENT CHAIR WAN UH, AYE.
MOVING TO THE FIRST MOTION, WE, WE ARE BACK TO OUR FIRST MOTION.
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OH, WE NEED THE FRIENDLYIF THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING TO DO.
CAN I MAKE MY OWN FRIENDLY
OH, WELL, CURRENT, CURRENTLY, WHAT IS THE STATE OF THE GLASS? UM, IT IS SILENT.
IT'S JU IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT EVEN MENTIONED.
SO IT WOULD FALL BACK ON BEING CLEAR, IS MY UNDERSTANDING CORRECT.
IT WOULDN'T GET TO THAT LEVEL OF SPEC SPECIFICITY IN THE CONDITION.
SO THERE WOULD BE FLEXIBILITY.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION.
YEAH, I MEAN THEY COULD PUT FILM ON IT.
SO I'M, AS FAR AS THE MATERIALS OF THE WINDOWS.
SO IN THIS MOTION, YOUR ORIGINAL MOTION THAT WAS RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF, IT IS TWO WOOD WINDOWS.
SO THERE'D BE A WOOD WINDOW IN THE SHOWER AND A WOOD WINDOW FOR THE VANITY.
AND THEN IT'S SILENT AS TO GLASS.
AND THEN THE GLASS TREATMENT WOULD BE LEFT BETWEEN THE APPLICANT AND STAFF? YES.
IN THAT CASE, I'D LIKE TO AMEND THE MOTION OFFERING A FRIENDLY ON THE MOTION.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT BOTH WINDOWS BE WOOD AND THAT THEY BE CLEAR.
SO THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS THAT THOUGH THERE BE A SPECIFICITY THAT THE GLASS REMAIN CLEAR.
IS THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT ACCEPTED BY COMMISSIONER PIZZA? YES.
AND IS IT ACCEPTED BY COMMISSIONER? YES.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS FRIENDLY MOTION? IF NOT, MADAM CLERK, IF YOU CALL FOR THE VOTE CHAIR MC ONE.
I WOULD LIKE TO AGAIN, RECOGNIZE STAFF FOR THEIR DILIGENT WORK ON THIS PROJECT.
AND THANK YOU FOR THE APPLICANT AND THE ARCHITECT FOR WORKING WITH OUR OUR CITY DEPARTMENT.
UM, THE COMMISSION HAS RULED AND WE APPRECIATE, UH, YOUR CONVERSATION THIS NIGHT.
[PUBLIC COMMENT Opportunity to address the Cultural Heritage Commission on non-agenda items. Each speaker is limited to three minutes to make their comments unless extended by the Chair.]
UP WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON NON AGENDA.IF THERE ARE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HERE IN PERSON THAT WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT ON NON AGENDA, PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE LINE UP AT THE PODIUM AT THIS TIME.
IF THERE ARE NONE VIRTUALLY, WE HAVE ONE IN PERSON.
OH, UH, FOR THE RECORD, YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
UH, MY NAME IS FEMI ABE, AND, UH, I LIVE AT 4 4 5 WEST FOURTH STREET, UH, LONG BEACH, CALIFORNIA, 9 0 8 0 2.
UM, THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR THIS TIME.
I ACTUALLY, UM, WAS JUST, UH, COMING TO MY WIFE AND I OWN A HISTORIC HOME IN DISTRICT ONE.
AND, UH, THIS, UH, BEING ABLE TO BE HERE AND SEE KIND OF HOW, HOW DECISIONS ARE MADE, UH, IT'S BEEN A, A GOOD EDUCATION FOR US.
WE'RE PLANNING ON, UH, MAKING SOME, UH, RENOVATIONS TO OUR HOME.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AS A HOMEOWNER IT CAN KIND OF SEEM INTIMIDATING AND YOU DON'T, IT, IT, IT NOT KNOWING HOW THE PROCESS IS DONE.
SO, UM, UH, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.
I PARTICULARLY APPRECIATED SOME OF THE CONVERSATION BETWEEN COMMISSIONER PIZO AND COMMISSIONER BODAK, UH, SPEAKING TO, LIKE BALANCING OUT THE, THE, THE LIVED REALITIES OF HOW TO DEAL WITH THE, YOU KNOW, GETTING OUTTA THE SHOWER AND WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU, YOU HAVE A CERTAIN TYPE OF WINDOW VERSUS TRYING TO FULFILL THE COMMISSION'S MANDATE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CHANGES THAT ARE MADE ARE CONSISTENT WITH, UH, THE CULTURAL HERITAGE AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
UM, A QUESTION THAT I HAD IS THAT SAME KIND OF CALCULUS THAT GOES ON BETWEEN THOSE QUESTIONS.
HOW DOES THIS COMMISSION HANDLE, LIKE ENSURING THE HOLDING TRUE TO THIS COMMISSION'S MANDATE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, UH, THAT RENOVATIONS THAT ARE DONE ARE CONSISTENT.
HOW, HOW DOES COMMISSION BALANCE
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THAT OUT WITH, UM, WHEN IT, IT POTENTIALLY COMES IN CONFLICT, IF AT ALL, WITH MAYBE THE, SOME OF THE CITY'S MANDATES ARE ON? UM, IN ITS STRATEGIC? SOME OF ITS STRATEGIC PRIORITIES.SPECIFICALLY WHAT I MEAN IS MY WIFE AND I ARE LOOKING TO, WE HAVE A TRIPLEX, WE'RE LOOKING TO BUILD POSSIBLY TWO MORE UNITS ON, ON, ON OUR PROPERTY.
UM, AND AGAIN, IT'S HISTORIC AND, AND WORKING WITH OUR ARCHITECT, UM, AND WE'RE READING THROUGH ALL THE GUIDELINES THERE.
WE COME UP AGAINST CERTAIN, UH, CERTAIN ISSUES THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE IN NO WAY RUN AFOUL OF THIS COMMISSION, UH, AND THIS COMMITTEE.
AND AT THE SAME TIME WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD MORE HOUSING FOR THE CITY OF LONG BEACH.
SO I, I IMAGINE THIS IS SOMETHING YOU GUYS DEAL WITH A WHOLE LOT AND I JUST KIND OF WANNA, UH, EDUCATE MYSELF ON HOW, LIKE, HOW THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE DONE IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT AS WE'RE MAKING OUR PLANS AND MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT, THAT, UH, WHEN IT'S OUR TURN TO COME BEFORE YOU THAT, UH, WE CAN GET AS MANY GREEN CHECKS AS POSSIBLE.
FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
YES, GOOD EVENING COMM COMMISSIONERS.
AGAIN, MY NAME IS JEFF MALLON FROM THE BLUFF PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND TO CONTINUE MY, UM, LEVEL OF KUDOS, I I SEE ALEJANDRO HERE AND ALLISON HERE.
I, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT, UM, MY EXPERIENCE AND WORKING WITH THE, UM, STAFF PEOPLE AT THE LONG BEACH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, UM, DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN REALLY AMAZING OVER THE LAST NUMBER OF MONTHS.
UM, THE LEVEL OF COMMUNICATION, I KNOW, I KNOW A LOT OF DEPARTMENTS IN THE CITY, PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT LACK OF RESPONSIVENESS, LACK OF A LOT OF THINGS, BUT I, I DON'T SEE THAT IN THIS DEPARTMENT.
UM, I SEE, UM, EMAILS BEING ANSWERED, COMMUNICATIONS BEING VERY, VERY, UM, VERY CAREFULLY, UM, ADDRESSED.
UH, I PARTICULARLY HAD A SITUATION WITH MY OWN HOME SINCE WE'RE SHARING, UM, ABOUT, UM, UH, TRYING TO GET, UH, FOR A HISTORIC HOME EARTHQUAKE, RETROFITTING DONE FOR BOLTING OF THE HOME, HAVING NOT, HAVING HAD IT DONE FOR 25 YEARS.
UM, THIS DEPARTMENT WAS EXCELLENT, NOT ONLY IN HELPING ME GET PERMITS, BUT ALSO IN CONNECTING ME TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE SINCE I DIDN'T KNOW THE RIGHT PEOPLE.
UM, AND THAT HAS ALL BEEN SUPER SMOOTH AND IT'S NOW COMPLETED.
SO JUST KUDOS TO, TO SUCH A HIGH FUNCTIONING, UH, DEPARTMENT.
AND I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU, ALL OF WHAT YOU DO, ALEJANDRO.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS OR VIRTUAL I IF THERE ARE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS, ON ANY, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT, ON ANY NON-AG AGENDAS ITEMS, PLEASE USE THE RAISE HAND FEATURE.
IF DIALING IN TELEPHONICALLY, PRESS STAR NINE NOW AND IT APPEARS THAT WE HAVE NO TELEPHONIC PARTICIPANTS AT THIS TIME.
UH, BEFORE I ADJOURN THE MEETING, UM, MR. KABA, IF YOU WANTED TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO THE APPLICANT, DAN, AS WELL AS OUR STAFF, ALLISON OR ALEJANDRO BEFORE YOU LEAVE TONIGHT AND JUST GET TO KNOW THEM.
THERE ARE, GO-TO PEOPLE REGARDING YOUR, YOUR PROJECT AND, AND AGAIN, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S PLEASANT AND THAT YOU, UH, SUCCEED AS WELL.
UH, AT THIS TIME, IF THERE IS NO, UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? YES, I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, HAVE OUR CITIZEN LEAVE WITH SOME USEFUL INFORMATION.
UH, I WOULD JUST SAY WHATEVER ARCHITECT OR DESIGNER YOU'RE WORKING WITH, IF THERE ARE DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR THE WILMORE CITY HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHICH IT SOUNDS LIKE IS WHERE YOU LIVE, THEN I WOULD HAVE THEM JUST CAREFULLY READ THOSE BEFORE THEY BEGIN THE DESIGN PROCESS THAT HAS ALL COME DOWN FROM CITY STAFF AND IS A VERY GOOD, UM, PRIMARY TO MAKING SURE THAT YOU'RE FOLLOWING, UH, WHAT THEY WOULD WANNA SEE IN A DESIGN AND WHAT THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN A DESIGN.
AND I THINK IF YOU REFER TO THAT AND FOLLOW IT CLOSELY, YOU HAVE A, A HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL CHANCE OF, YOU KNOW, BEING, HAVING A SUCCESSFUL PROJECT.
I WOULD SAY AS AN IMMEDIATE TAKEAWAY.
THAT WOULD BE, UM, MY SUGGESTION.
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THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? IF[ADJOURNMENT]
THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS, I DECLARE THIS MEETING ADJOURNED.[01:50:05]
THAT WAS LONGER THAN I THOUGHT.