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OKAY, ALL THE MEETINGS ORDER AT 5:06 PM AND PAM JULIE LEE.
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ANY DISCUSSION? AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, THERE'S NO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC PRESENT ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE A TESTIMONY OF DRAFT 2025 HOMELESS SERVICES ADVISORY COMMITTEE, POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE MAYOR AND CITY CONFERENCE.
UM, SO WE HAVE IN FRONT OF VIEW NOW A DRAFT THAT TAKEN ACCOUNT FEEDBACK WE'VE HAD IN OUR LAST COUPLE OF MEETINGS.
AND THE FORMAT, AS I MENTIONING, IS, UM, JULIE
AND I HAVE PUT THE LATEST DRAFT OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS INTO THE OVERALL DRAFT REPORTS TO CITY COUNCIL.
UM, AND INCLUDED IN IT SOME FEEDBACK FROM OUR LAST COUPLE OF DISCUSSIONS, WHICH INCLUDES, UM, REDUCING THE NUMBER OF RECOMMENDATIONS WE HAVE TO HAVE OUR MOST IMPORTANT RECOMMENDATIONS HIGHLIGHTED, UM, AND HIGHLIGHTING, UM, THE, THE PAST STRATEGIC PLAN THE CITY HAD, WHICH WAS EVERYONE HOME AND KIND OF COMPARING WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE TO WHAT'S BEEN DONE BEFORE AND EVERYONE HOME.
SO IF AT ALL POSSIBLE TODAY, WE'D LIKE TO, UH, GET THIS TO A PLACE WHERE WE CAN REFER IT TO THE MAIN COMMITTEE FOR AT LEAST A FIRST READ AND FEEDBACK AND DISCUSSION.
SO I'LL JUST, UH, GO INTO GREATER DETAIL HERE OF WHAT IT SAYS.
CAN I ANSWER A QUESTION WITH CLAIRE? SURE.
SO, UM, DIRECTIONALLY THIS IS ALL GREAT AND IF IT STAYS THE SAME, I'M FINE.
ONE IS BEFORE JULIE CAME HERE, THE DISCUSSION AROUND BY COMBINING THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE ANNUAL REPORT, THAT MEANS IT DOES GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL, CORRECT? CORRECT.
JENNIFER, THIS GETS THEN SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE ANNUAL REPORTS THAT GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING MEETING.
THEY, THEY DO GET, UH, CONSENT AGENDA MEETING.
WELL, I, I SPOKE TO THE, THE MAYOR'S OFFICE ABOUT THIS AND ASKED WHAT THE OTHER, UM, COMMISSION, COMMISSIONS AND COMMITTEES ARE DOING.
AND HE SAID, WELL, SOME DO IT, SOME DON'T AS FAR AS AN ANNUAL REPORT, BUT THEY ARE RECEIVED AND BY THE COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR.
UM, I DIDN'T EXACTLY ASK HOW THEY ARE PRESENTED ON THE AGENDA, BUT THEY ARE RECEIVED.
SO THAT'S GONNA BE A QUESTION I STILL HAVE FOR THE LAWYER, WHICH IS THE, THE COUNSEL IS SUPPOSED TO THAT VERIFY THEY RECEIVE IT.
THAT'S NOT VERIFY RECEIVE IS RECEIVED.
I NEED TO KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT VERIFY MEANS,
SO, UM, I BELIEVE, UM, WHAT THE MUNICIPAL CODE SAYS ABOUT RECEIPT, UM, BUT IT IS FORMALLY RECEIVED.
BUT AGAIN, AND I'M OKAY WITH IT BEING AS PART OF A CONSENT AGENDA ON THE COUNCIL MEETING, WHICH WOULD ALLOW PEOPLE FROM OUR DISTRICTS TO TALK ABOUT IT BECAUSE ANYBODY, YEAH, ANYBODY.
AND, UM, AND I THINK THEY SHOULD BE HAVE, THEY SHOULD HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY.
UM, AND NOT, AND IT NOT BE SOMETHING THAT'S SORT OF AN EMAIL THAT THEY RECEIVED.
SO YEAH, I'M PRETTY SURE IT DOES GET ON THE CONSENT.
SO, AND IT GETS ON THE AGENDA AND YEAH, IT'S THE CITY CLERK THAT DECIDES.
I CAN CONFIRM WITH 10 IF YOU COULD JUST CONFIRM.
'CAUSE THEN ALL OF THESE QUESTIONS, I DON'T, WE DON'T NEED TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME AND THEN ANYWAY, SO NOT TO SET.
OH, AND THEN THE SECOND QUESTION IS, LAST TIME JULIE WAS, I THINK YOU WERE ADVOCATING FOR GETTING IT DOWN TO TWO AND THIS STILL HAS THREE AND I THINK IT COULD, YOU COULD MERGE
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SOME THINGS TO GET IT DOWN TO TWO.UM, AND SO I THINK FROM A, WHEN WE GET TO THOSE THREE, MAYBE A LITTLE DISCUSSION AROUND, DO WE WANNA GO WITH THREE? I'M OKAY.
OR DO WE WANT TO GO WITH TWO? BECAUSE IF WE WANT TO GO WITH TWO, THEN WE'LL HAVE TO DISCUSS HOW TO MERGE THINGS.
FOR EXAMPLE, RECOMMENDATION TWO COULD BE A SUBSET OF, ONE OF A WAY FOR THE CITY TO SHELTER MORE PEOPLE IS THE PILOT.
ACTUALLY, I THINK MAKES SENSE.
SO THIS IS JUST SUPPORTING INFORMATION ABOUT HOW THE CITY GETS TO NUMBER.
JULIE, ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE GET STARTED? LIKE DIVING INTO NUMBER ONE? NO, GO AHEAD.
SO, UM, JENNIFER HAD MENTIONED THAT MAY 28TH IS THE DATE OF THE POINT IN TIME, UH, ACCOUNT INFORMATION BEING RELEASED.
SO WHEN WE RECEIVE THAT, I'LL INSERT JUST THE STRAIGHT DATA INTO THIS REPORT AND THE
SO FOR OUR POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS, I TOOK OUT A LITTLE BIT OF THE BACKGROUND ON CASE AND THAT'S HIGHER UP IN THIS REPORT TO CITY COUNCIL, JULIE, THAT YOU HAD INCLUDED MM-HMM
AND THEN RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE, AS WE DISCUSSED LAST TIME, UM, THE CITY COUNCIL ABOUT THE QUANTIFIABLE GOAL OF INCREASING SHELTER RATES FOR PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS CITED THE CURRENT SHELTER RATE, WHICH MAY CHANGE WITH THE POINT OF TIME COUNT.
UM, WE SHOULD BENCHMARK BENCHMARKS TO PROGRESS 20 20 30.
UM, AND FOR NOW, WE SAID AS RECOMMENDED LAST YEAR, WE RECOMMEND THE GOAL SHOULD BE A 40% SHELTERED BY 2026 AND 60% BY 2030.
IN THE LAST MEETING, DOUG, YOU HAD SAID WE SHOULD ASK, OH, IS THAT REASONABLE? AND SO I PUT HERE WE SHARE WITH THE DEPARTMENT'S INTERNAL GOAL INCREASING SHELTER RIGHTNESS FOR THESE YEARS.
SO, UM, JENNIFER, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU ARE AWARE OF IF THERE'S AN INTERNAL GOAL FOR INCREASING SHELTER RATE, BUT WHAT, WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO CHECK IN WITH PAUL AND SAY KIND OF IN LINE? BECAUSE I KNOW WE'VE HAD PAST CONVERSATIONS IN THE BROADER CASE ACT MEETING OF, OH, IT SEEMS MORE SHELTERS ARE COMING ONLINE, YOU KNOW? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
SO, UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON THAT AS OF NOW, BUT I CAN, UH, I CAN SEND PAUL AN EMAIL AND THEN CC YOU AND THAT WAY WE CAN SEE IF, UM, EITHER HE CAN JOIN THE NEXT POLICY MEETING OR, UM, IF HE CAN PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION VIA, UM, VIA EMAIL.
I KNOW THE GENERAL FEEDBACK HAS BEEN, YEAH, WE ARE INCREASING SHELTER RATES.
WE WOULD EXPECT THE NUMBER OF SHELTER TO GO UP.
AND THEN I I, THIS IS WHAT IS NEW.
THIS RECOMMENDATION IS ALIGNED WITH THE PRIORITIES OF, OF THE CITY'S LAST STRATEGIC PLAN FOR USING HOMELESSNESS.
UM, AT THAT TIME THERE WERE ONLY 1,208 UNSHELTERED INDIVIDUALS.
UM, BUT THE PLAN CALLED FOR INCREASING PERMANENT SHELTER BEDS BY 100 PER YEAR FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN AN INCREASE OF 16% MORE PEOPLE SHELTERED OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS.
SO IT'S KIND OF IN LINE WITH THE, THE PACE OF SHELTERING MORE PEOPLE THAT HAD BEEN SET AT THAT TIME.
ANY, ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? WAIT, OKAY.
UM, SO PROVIDING A HUNDRED SHELTER PERMANENT SHELTER BEDS PER YEAR FROM 2017, IT'S JUST CITING THE EVERYONE HOME, RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHAT EVERYONE HOME HAD.
I SAID, HEY, WE'RE GONNA GET 16% MORE OF UNSHELTERED PEOPLE SHELTERED OVER TWO YEARS.
SO IT KIND OF SAYS OUR GOAL OF INCREASING FROM 27% TO 40% IS REASONABLE BECAUSE THAT WAS ABOUT THE PACING THAT EVERYONE HOME HAD SET.
SO WHAT WAS IT, WHAT WAS THE, WHAT WAS THE SHELTER RATE? UM, IN THE EVERYONE HOME REPORT? I'M SORRY, I DON'T REMEMBER.
WELL, THEY HAD, UM, 1,208 UNSHELTERED INDIVIDUALS IN 2017 I THAT, AND THEY WANTED TO ADD 200 SHELTER BEDS.
I KNOW, BUT WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE? BECAUSE WE'RE WORKING WITH PERCENTAGE, THEY'RE WORKING WITH, UM, WHOLE NUMBERS.
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO COMPARE.
SO IF TWO IS 16%, OH, IT JUST SHELTERS, IT SHELTERS MORE OF THE 12 TO OH EIGHT? YEAH.
IT'S, IT IS, UM, 16% MORE WOULD BE SHELTERED IN TWO YEARS TIME.
SO THAT WOULD MEAN, UM, GO AHEAD.
AND WE HAD ORIGINALLY SAID IN 2024, HEY, LET'S INCREASE IT BY 13% IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS MM-HMM
BECAUSE WE, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT AT THE CURRENT MOMENT.
SO IT'S ROUGHLY IN LINE, IT'S NOT CRAZILY OUT LINE WITH THE GOALS THAT WERE SET, UM, IN EVERYONE BASICALLY.
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YEAH.UM, BECAUSE YOU, 'CAUSE YOU CALL OUT THE UNSHELTERED RATE, BUT YOU DON'T CALL OUT THE SHELTERED RATE.
I GUESS THAT'S WHY I'M CONFUSED BECAUSE I WANTED TO ADD UP THE 200 TO WHATEVER THE SHELTER RATE WAS.
I MEAN, AS, AS DIAGNOSED, THE SHELTER BEDS NUMBER GOES.
BUT, BUT WHAT THEY HAD SAID WAS THEY WANTED TO INCREASE 200 BEDS.
IT'S JUST, I'M TRYING TO FIND A NUMBER TO ADD TO 200 TOO.
SO, WELL, I THINK YOU WOULD ACTUALLY SUBTRACT, YOU WOULD SUBTRACT 200 FROM 12 TO EIGHT.
AND THEN WOULD, AND THEN YOU GET THE UNSHELTERED RATE.
BUT THEN WHAT IS THE SHELTERED NUMBER?
I'M GLAD THAT'S, GLAD TO ADD IN THE SHELTER NUMBER FROM EVERYONE.
JUST 'CAUSE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 40 AND 60% SHELTERED THEN, YOU KNOW, IT, IT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THAT.
IN MY, SO I'LL ADD IN WHAT, WHAT PERCENTAGE IS SHELTERED MM-HMM
AND THEN WHAT WE, WE'VE KIND OF SET A MOMENT AGO.
DO YOU HAVE A SUGGESTION? YEAH.
SO YEAH, I'M, I'M FINE WITH THAT.
ONE IS, I LIKE THIS, UM, SHELTER WAIT LIST NUMBER WE'RE HEARING.
SO THESE ARE ACTUAL PEOPLE ON A WAIT LIST MM-HMM
THEY'RE NOT CHRONIC HOMELESS THAT ARE NOT ON A WAIT LIST WITH MENTAL ILLNESS AND OTHER THINGS.
THEY'RE ACTUAL PEOPLE ON A WAIT LIST.
THEY COULD HAVE MENTAL ILLNESS AND THEY COULD BE CHRONIC.
I UNDERSTAND, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE POTENTIALLY, THEY'RE POTENTIALLY MORE YES.
LIKELY TO BE SHELTERED AND STAY SHELTERED.
HOWEVER YOU SAY THAT, THAT'S A BIG NUMBER.
AND I WONDER IF WE SHOULD ADD THAT, UM, TO SOMEWHERE.
AND IT MIGHT BE, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S IN THAT SECOND PARAGRAPH OR WE PUT IT UP FRONT ABOVE THE 40 AND 60% TO SAY THERE IS CURRENTLY A WAIT LIST OF X NUMBER OF PEOPLE TO SHOW THAT THERE.
PEOPLE HAVE SAID, I WANT TO BE SHELTERED BECAUSE WE FREQUENTLY HEAR FROM PEOPLE, OH, PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO BE OKAY.
WELL THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW, NO, THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT HAVE RAISED THEIR HANDS AND YEAH, YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO SHELTER ALL 1500 OF THEM, BUT THERE CERTAINLY IS A COUPLE HUNDRED OF THEM THAT WOULD JUMP IT.
THEY'VE INDICATED INTEREST IN THAT.
AND THEY WOULD BE VERY WILLING AND SUCCESSFUL TO BE SHELTERED.
SECOND, SECOND THOUGHT TO ONE OF THE, SO, UM, I, WE, WE LATER ON MENTIONED THE SAN DIEGO AND OTHERS, SO I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER THE FOUR.
WE'RE TRYING TO SHOOT FOR THE 40 AND 60 BECAUSE OTHER CITIES HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ACHIEVE HIGHER LEVEL I 40 SOME PERCENT AS SACRAMENTO AND
AND I CAN GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY ON THAT.
SO YOU WERE SAYING, YOU KNOW, SHOULD WE HIRE RECOMMENDATIONS TO SAN DIEGO? AND IN PAST DISCUSSIONS, PARTICULARLY AROUND, UM, SAFE SLEEP, WE'VE HEARD VERBAL FEEDBACK FROM PAUL OF LIKE, SAN DIEGO'S A DIFFERENT SITUATION.
THEY DON'T HAVE THE RATE OF HOMELESSNESS THAT WE DO.
SO THEIR PROBLEM IS NOT COMPARABLE.
UM, AND I THINK HE ALSO HAD SOME OBJECTIONS TO, UM, THE WAY POLICE HOMELESSNESS AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, BUY OR TICKET PEOPLE.
SO HE KIND OF EXPRESSED LIKE, SAN DIEGO IS NOT A COMPARABLE EXAMPLE AND MAYBE WE DON'T LIKE THEIR APPROACH.
SO THE REASON THAT WE HAD HIGHLIGHTED SAN FRANCISCO LAST YEAR BECAUSE, WHICH IS OKAY.
BECAUSE, UM, 'CAUSE SAN FRANCISCO HAS A HIGHER RATE OF, UM, HOMELESSNESS CAPITA THAN LONG BEACH.
AND THEY MADE A VERY PROACTIVE POLICY DECISION TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO OF LIKE, THEY WERE GONNA FOCUS THEIR RESOURCES ON THE SHELTER RATE.
AND SO THEY MADE THIS DECISION AND THEN THEY WERE ABLE TO INCREASE THEIR SHELTER RATE TO AROUND 40%.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'VE USED KIND OF SAN FRANCISCO AS AN EXAMPLE, BECAUSE THEY HAVE AT LEAST A COMPARABLE PROBABILITY, A WORSE ISSUE.
AND BECAUSE THEY PUT THEIR RESOURCES WE'RE RECOMMENDING AND
SO AGAIN, AND I'M WITH THIS OR NOT, BUT IF, IF I WAS A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER, IT IMPACTS MY THINKING TO BE ABLE TO KNOW THAT ANOTHER CITY WITH SIMILAR OR WORSE PROBLEMS WAS ABLE TO, IS ABLE TO GET THE 40%.
SO WE'RE NOT JUST PICKING NUMBERS OUT OF THE THIN AIR.
SO I WONDER AGAIN, IF IN THAT PARAGRAPH WE, WE REFER TO, AND YOU KNOW, SOMEHOW SAN FRANCISCO WITH A
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WORSE HOMELESS PRO PROBLEM HAS BEEN ABLE TO ACHIEVE A 40% OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS, IT'S A AROUND THERE.SO THAT IT, IT, YOU KNOW, IT SAYS WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING RECOMMENDING IS, IS CERTAINLY THE FIRST TARGET OF 40% IS NOT OUTLANDISH.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS NOW 2026, THIS IS 25.
SO ONE IN ONE YEAR ARE, ARE WE GOING GET TO 40%? WELL OR SHOULD WE GIVE THEM ANOTHER GIVE ANOTHER YEAR? SHOULD WE SAY 27 AND 30? NO, THE ONLY REASON I HELD IT STEADY IS BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT AT THIS MOMENT.
WE DON'T HAVE THE POINT IN TIME NOW.
AND ALSO BECAUSE THIS WAS OUR PRECISE RECOMMENDATION LAST YEAR, AND SO WE HAD TECHNICALLY GIVEN TWO YEARS OF SAYING, OH, YOU SHOULD GO FROM 27.
SO MAYBE PROGRESS HAS BEEN MADE AND WE ARE CLOSER TO 40%.
BUT MAYBE WE'RE NOT ON TRACK AND WE MAY BE ABOUT TO FIND THAT OUT IN THE POINT AREA.
UM, SO THEN WE HAD SAID WE WOULD TAKE RECOMMENDATION TOO, AND JUST TO MAKE IT KIND OF SUPPORTIVE COMMENTARY ABOUT WHAT APPROACH CAN THE CITY, UH, TAKE.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE RECOMMEND THEY PILOT LOWER COST QUICKER STARTUP INTERIM HOUSING SOLUTIONS.
OR SHOULD I JUST SAY QUICKER STARTUP? SHOULD I SAY SHELTER INSTEAD OF INTERIM HOUSING? JULIE? UH, YEAH, I I WOULD STICK TO THAT.
BECAUSE INTERIM HOUSING CAN MEAN A WHOLE LOT OF OTHER THINGS.
I WOULD NOT SAY PRIVATE PERSONALLY.
I THINK WE NEED TO DO, WHETHER IT'S WHATEVER IT IS, WHETHER IT'S A, A GROUP, YOU KNOW, CONVERT A, YOU KNOW, A A LARGE BUILDING SPACE.
I MEAN, SO IT CAN BE EXISTING AND IT NEEDS TO NOT BE A PILOT.
LET'S, BUT OF COURSE THINK OF MAYBE WE INVEST IN LOWER COST AND YEAH.
SO INVEST IN LOWER COST, QUICKER STARTUP SHELTER SOLUTIONS TO REACH THE GOAL.
SOME EXAMPLES INCLUDE THOSE ADOPTION IN SAN FRANCISCO, WHICH IS A HIGHER RATE OF HOMELESSNESS THAN LONG BEACH, SAN DIEGO AND OTHER CALIFORNIA CITIES THAT HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY ADDRESSED THEIR OWN SHELTER GRADE OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS, THIS FIRST, HOW WE'RE ROLLING THESE TWO TOGETHER? YEAH.
I'M GONNA, UM, I'M GONNA CHECK THAT TABLE THAT HAS THE HOMELESSNESS RATE.
'CAUSE I, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT SAN FRANCISCO'S WAS AND I DON'T EXACTLY REMEMBER LONG BEACH IS, BUT I WANNA SAY THEY'RE COMPARABLE LIKE THE TOP FIVE WERE, WERE PRETTY COMPARABLE.
YEAH, THE RATE PER CAPITA WAS RAC, YOU KNOW, I KNOW SAN FRANCISCO WAS NUMBER ONE IN THE COUNTRY.
IT WAS LIKE, I THINK NEW YORK, OR SORRY, SAN FRANCISCO AND NEW YORK AND THEN LONG BEACH HAD A HIGHER RATE OF HOMELESSNESS THAN LA WE REALLY DIDN'T PROBLEM HERE.
AS, AS IF WE COULDN'T SEE THAT
UM, OKAY, SO THEN THE SECOND RECOMMENDATION, WHICH WAS FORMERLY RECOMMENDATION NUMBER THREE, HAYS, I RECOMMENDS THAT CITY ALLIGATOR A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR THE PROACTIVE HYGIENE AND SANITATION PROGRAM TO INCREASE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS AND IMPROVE THE CLEANLINESS OF ENCAMPMENTS.
THIS WILL LIKELY DECREASE THE NEED FOR REPETITIVE WEEKLY CLEAN SWEEP.
UM, SO I KIND OF, WE SAID THAT WE WANTED TO TAKE A, UH, A STATEMENT ABOUT HUMAN SUFFERING AND HUMANITY CARE.
SO I SAID THAT WE, WE'VE PUT, SET THE FOREFRONT OF HUMANITY OF PEOPLE EXPERIENCING IN HOMELESSNESS, WHICH INCLUDES BASIC HYGIENE AND SANITATION NEEDS.
DESPITE, UM, THE CITY'S CLAIMS WE'VE OFFERED, WHICH REMOVE DEBRIS FROM SIDEWALKS ON A REGULAR BASIS.
UNSHELTERED INDIVIDUALS LACK REGULAR ACCESS TO VITAL HYGIENE RESOURCES SUCH AS TRASH BINS, TOILET SINKS, SHOWERS.
UM, WE RECOMMEND PILOTING A PROGRAM TO OFFER PROACTIVE HYGIENE AND SANITATION SERVICES IN AREAS WHERE MANY PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS CONGREGATE, WHICH WILL INCREASE BOTH NEIGHBORHOOD CLEANLINESS AND REDUCE SUFFERING FOR PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS.
AND THEN HERE I ADJUSTED THE BUDGET BECAUSE WE FOUND OUT SHOWERS WERE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN WE HAD ORIGINALLY BUDGETED BASED ON INFORMATION PROVIDED BY BETHANY
UM, SO I JUST SAID, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH, HOW HOW MANY CLEAN SWEEPS ARE BEING, UM, CONDUCTED, UM, HOW MUCH THAT COST.
IT WAS A MILLION DOLLARS ALONE THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS LAST YEAR, AND THEN CHANGED THE BUDGET TO REFLECT THOSE HIGHER COSTS PER SHOWER.
SO I, I KEPT THE FIRST BULLET POINT THE SAME, UM, THAT WE WOULD PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, REGULAR WASTE COLLECTION AT 10 STRATEGIC LOCATIONS, WHICH WE KNOW EVEN AT THE SITE THAT JULIE VOLUNTEERS THAT WOULD BE VERY USEFUL.
UM, BUT THEN SAID, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD PROVIDE, UM, PORTABLE TOILETS AT THREE STRATEGIC LOCATIONS AND THEN I REDUCED THE WEEKLY SHOWER SERVICES TO, UM, ONE, ONE LOCATION BECAUSE WE FOUND THAT IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE AND THAT GETS US TO A TOTAL BUDGET OF A HUNDRED THOUSAND A YEAR.
AND THEN WE JUST SUMMARIZED IT HERE.
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MAIN PRIORITIES.WE'RE GONNA SAY TWO MINUS TOGETHER.
AND THEN I DID WANT TO ADD, I REACHED OUT TO SAVANNAH REGARDING THE HOMELESS STRATEGIC PLAN SINCE YOU GUYS HAD ASKED LAST TIME.
UM, SHE DID SAY THAT THEY AREN'T PLANNING ON GOING BACK TO PRESENT, UH, DURING HAYSTACK MEETINGS.
UM, BUT THE NEXT STEP OUTLINED WAS THE INTEGRATION OF THEIR VALUABLE FEEDBACK INTO THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT REPORT, WHICH WILL BE AVAILABLE IN THE COMING WEEKS.
UM, SHE'LL BE SURE TO EMAIL THAT OUT TO THE COMMITTEE.
AND THEN THEY'RE MOVING INTO PHASE TWO OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN, UM, WHERE THEY'RE SEEKING A CONSULTANT TO HELP US DEVELOP DEEPER INTO THE QUANTITATIVE ANALYSIS OF OUR HOMELESS SERVICES DATA AND OTHER AREAS.
UH, WE WILL BE SURE TO MAKE, TO TAKE HAYEK'S RECOMMENDATIONS INTO ACCOUNT IN THE NEXT PHASE OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN, WHICH WORKS OUT QUITE WELL SINCE THE RECOMMENDATIONS PROVIDED BY DOUG ARE FOCUSED ON DATA.
UH, WE'LL ALSO MAKE SURE TO INVOLVE HAYEK IN FURTHER ENGAGEMENT OPPORTUNITIES AS PHASE TWO PROGRESSES.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE KIND OF FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS WILL BE MADE THROUGH THE STRATEGIC PLAN? UM, I DON'T, BUT I CAN FOLLOW UP AND ASK HER.
I'M PRETTY SURE I CAN DOUBLE CHECK WITH HER.
ARE WE STILL TALKING ABOUT NUMBER THREE? YEP.
UM, SO, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I HEAR AT ST.
LUKE'S BECAUSE WE'RE IN DOWNTOWN LONG BEACH, IS THAT IF THEY HAD RESTROOMS AND HYGIENE, YOU KNOW, RESTROOMS AND SHOWERS, RIGHT? THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BE CLEANER.
CURRENTLY THEIR ARGUMENT DISCHARGES ALL OVER THE PLACE IN ALLEYS ON THE SIDEWALK AND THE DIRT, WHEREVER.
UM, SO I I THINK THAT
UNHEALTHY, UNHEALTHY UNSANITARY IS NOT ONLY IMPACTING THE SITE OR THESE, OR THE INDIVIDUALS, IT'S ALSO IMPACTING THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, IN THE, IN THE PARAGRAPH SUPPORTING RECOMMENDATION, THE LAST SENTENCE SAYS, UM, WHICH WILL INCREASE BOTH NEIGHBORHOOD CLEANLINESS AND REDUCE SUFFERING FOR PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOME.
BE LESS HUMAN WIS THAN GARDEN.
IT, IT'S ALSO THE UNHEALTHY BUT THE HEALTH IMPACT OF YES.
I THINK OF DEBRIS AS SORT OF BEING A LITTLE DEBRIS, BUT DO WE WANT TO USE A STRONGER WORD THAN DEGREE? I'LL DESCRIBE LIKE MOUNTAIN DUKE HANDS FILLED WITH HUMAN URINE AND THEN I'LL, YOU KNOW, I'LL JUST PLASTIC BOTTLES EAT YELLOW BOTTLES.
I THINK YOU SEEN RECENT AND HUMAN EXCREMENT AND WHICH IS DISEASE PARENT.
WELL, NEIGHBORHOODS ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE UNSANITARY.
NEIGHBORHOODS ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE UNSANITARY CONDITIONS.
IT'S THE HEALTH IMPACTS WHERE YOU GET DISEASES FROM, YOU KNOW, EXPOSURE TO SOMEBODY'S FIXES.
WELL IT'S UNSANITARY THEN YOU'VE BEEN INTO POTENTIALLY CONTAGIOUS AND HOW DO YOU SAY THAT? UM, WELL, I, I THINK WE'VE ALL SEEN THAT.
LIKE, I, I THINK I UP THEY SAY, YOU KNOW, UN SANITARY NEIGHBORHOOD CONDITIONS DERIVING OF HUMAN WASTE, HUMAN WASTE, HUMAN WASTE.
UM, I, WHAT I SAW WAS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, SOME POOR GUY DEFECATED IN HIS PANTS AND HIS PANTS WERE RIGHT THERE.
OH YEAH, I SAW THAT THIS MORNING.
UM, THEY WERE, THEY WERE RIGHT THERE.
AND I THOUGHT, BOY, THAT GUY, THAT'S HARD.
HE HAD A BAD THING HAPPEN TO DO THAT.
AND, AND THAT'S IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO HOW DO YOU CONVEY SOMETHING
I'LL, I'LL PUT IT OUT THERE NOW SO THAT EVERYONE CAN GET THE MENTAL IMAGE IN THEIR MIND.
INCLUDING HUMAN WASTE, INCLUDING HUMAN WASTE, HOWEVER YOU WANNA DO THAT.
I, I HAVE TO SHARE THAT WE ALL WANT IN THE RIGHT BALLPARK BECAUSE I, THERE WAS A, UM, A YOUNG LADY AT MCBRIDE HIGH SCHOOL, SHE'S A SENIOR AND SHE SOMEHOW DECIDED SHE WAS GONNA DO, UM, HER SENIOR PROJECT
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ON, UM, SHE CALLED THEM BLESSING BAGS, BUT THEY'RE BASICALLY HYGIENE BAGS WITH SOME FOOD THAT SHE AND HER OTHER STUDENTS, UM, HANDED OUT TO PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS.AND SHE ENDED UP WRITING THIS LETTER TO OUR CITY LEADERS, WHICH I THOUGHT, OH MY GOSH, YOU'RE JUST A SENIOR IN HIGH SCHOOL AND YOU COULD DO THIS.
I I WAS NEVER THERE AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS A TEENAGER.
SO I DO WANT YOU TO, UM, I WANNA SHARE HER WORDS BECAUSE IT, IT WAS JUST ONE, SHE, SHE HAS TWO RECOMMENDATIONS TO OUR CITY LEADERS.
ONE IS, UM, I'M REACHING OUT TO YOU AND RESPECTFULLY WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT THE CITY INCREASE ITS SUPPORT FOR MOBILE HYGIENE UNITS, WHICH WOULD ALLOW PEOPLE IN NEED TO ACCESS SHOWERS, RESTROOMS, AND OTHER HYGIENE PRODUCTS MORE DIRECTLY.
AND HER SECOND RECOMMENDATION WAS TO PROVIDE MORE AFFORDABLE SHELTER OPTIONS, ESPECIALLY FOR UNHOUSED YOUTH AND WOMEN WHO MAY BE FLEEING UNSAFE SITUATIONS.
AND SHE GOES ON TO SAY, WHILE THE SMALL ACTS OF KINDNESS, LIKE A BLESSING BAG CAN BRING MOMENTARY RELIEF, LASTING CHANGE COMES THROUGH INVESTMENT AND POLICY.
I GENUINELY HOPE THAT YOU WILL CONTINUE TO PRIORITIZE EFFORTS THAT PROVIDE REAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS.
WELL I CERTAINLY FEEL LIKE, SO I HAVE VERY CONCRETE THINGS TO ADD HERE.
IT'S ADDING UNDER RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE, UM, THE, THE SHELTER RATE FROM MM-HMM
UM, AND MERGING RECOMMENDATION TWO INTO NUMBER ONE IS A STRATEGY TO GET THERE, UM, INCLUDING THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE CURRENTLY ON THE SHELTER WAIT LIST TODAY IN LONG BEACH TO SHOW THAT THERE'S A DEMAND FOR INCREASING SHELTER.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE EXAMPLE OF SAN FRANCISCO IN HERE, BUT MAYBE DRAW THAT OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
GIVE IT TO 40% THEY ACHIEVED WHATEVER THEY ACHIEVED THEY, THEY WERE OR HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ACHIEVE.
INSTEAD OF SAYING THAT WE'RE GONNA PILOT LOWER COST QUICKER STARTUP SHELTER, SHELTER SOLUTIONS, WE'RE GOING, THE CITY SHOULD INVEST IN LOWER COST, UH, QUICKER, YOU KNOW, QUICKER STARTUP SHELTER SOLUTIONS.
AND THEN FOR THE, THE FINAL RECOMMENDATION, UM, REALLY DRAWING OUT, 'CAUSE I SAID IT WOULD INCREASE NEIGHBORHOOD CLEANLINESS, UM, BUT SAY, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE'S REALLY UNSANITARY CONDITIONS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS INCLUDING, UH, DEBRIS INCLUDING IMPROPERLY DISPOSED OF HUMAN WAYS THAT, YOU KNOW, CAUSES CONCERN BOTH AMONGST THE PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS AND THIS LIVING AND IN NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND THEN, SO THEN, THEN THE SUMMARY, I WOULD CHANGE IT TO SAY PRIORITIZE THE TWO MAIN QUALITY.
IS ANYTHING ELSE? THAT'S GOOD.
WELL I WILL PUT THE NUMBERS IN FROM THE POINT OF TIME NOTE SET AND I, I IT OVER TO JOHN TO INCLUDE THE MEETING PACKET FOR, SO IT
SO I, I AM, I, I DO THINK WE SHOULD BE MORE PURPOSEFUL ABOUT THE EVERYONE HOME COMING BACK TO COMMITTEE BECAUSE THIS IS MAY 25 AND THEY'RE GONNA PRESENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL LIKE MIDYEAR NEXT YEAR.
THERE'S NOT MUCH TIME AND I STILL, IT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME WHAT THEY ENVISION THIS TO BE.
IS IT GONNA BE JUST CONTINUING TO RECOMMEND EVERYTHING THAT THEY RECOMMEND, WHICH WOULD BE GREAT, NEW TARGETS OR SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
AND SO WE DIDN'T REALLY GET INTO THAT DISCUSSION.
SO I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE THEM TO COME BACK AND START TALKING ABOUT KIND OF THE EVERYONE HOME PRESENTATION AND WHAT KIND OF, WHAT DO THEY SEE THE PRESENT PRESENT.
IS IT JUST A REVISION OF ALL THESE THINGS OR A RE TOTAL REVAMP? AND THEN IF THAT'S THE REVAMP, I THINK WE WOULD WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT WHAT THAT WOULD BE.
I GUESS A POINT OF CLARIFICATION THAT JENNIFER, ARE THEY EVEN WORKING THROUGH THE EVERYONE WHOLE FRAMEWORK OR IS IT KIND OF LIKE THAT'S BEEN HAND AND THIS IS A, A TOTALLY NEW STRATEGIC? I ASKED THAT IN THE EMAIL, BUT SHE DIDN'T REALLY TOUCH BASE ON
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THAT.SO I CAN DOUBLE CHECK THAT WITH HER.
AND IF, AND IF WE COULD JUST HEAR THAT THEY'RE GONNA CONTINUE ALL OF THE GOALS OR WHATEVER THEY'RE, AND IT'S, IT'S JUST A REFRESH OF THE PREVIOUS, THEN YOU KNOW, THEN I'M OKAY, IT'S GONNA TAKE SOME TIME TO DO THAT.
BUT THEY'RE GETTING A CONSULTANT AND THINKING OF GOING IN DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS, THEN I KIND OF, I QUESTION IT FOR TWO REASONS.
ONE IS THEY MAY CHANGE DIRECTIONS ON THINGS WE MAY NOT WANT THEM TO.
AND THEN THE OTHER PROCESS THEY USE HAD A LOT OF INPUT.
SO I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD CHANGE IT BECAUSE IT HAD SO MUCH INPUT FROM EXPERTS THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST, WELL, DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE GONNA CHANGE IT, I THINK IT WOULD NEED STAKEHOLDER INPUT MAYBE FROM ASK AND OTHERS.
UM, THE, THE RECOMMENDATION, I HAVEN'T READ IT FOR A WHILE, BUT THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE EVERYONE HOME FROM WHAT I REMEMBER ARE FAIRLY CONSISTENT WITH OTHER, UM, PLANNING DOCUMENTS THAT ADDRESS HOMELESSNESS.
YOU KNOW, THE PROBLEM, WHETHER IT BE IN SAN FRANCISCO, NEW YORK, SAN DIEGO, TEXAS, WHEREVER IS SORT OF THE SAME, THE PROBLEM ITSELF.
SO THE, THE, THE, UM, DOCUMENTS THAT PRESENT, UM, THE ANALYSIS LAND, THE RECOMMENDED SOLUTIONS ARE, ARE PRETTY CONSISTENT THERE.
IS IT, IT IS MORE THE DETAIL ALLOCATION OF THE FUNDS AND THE IMPLEMENTATION.
THE UM, I THINK WHAT, WHAT SARAH WAS GOING THROUGH IT, IT HAS TO DO WITH IMPLEMENTATION AND, AND THE VARIOUS WAYS THAT JURISDICTIONS ARE ABLE TO INCREASE THEIR SHELTER RATE.
UM, BUT I WOULD GUESS THAT ALL OF THE PLANS, WHETHER YOU'RE IN DENVER OR ANYWHERE ELSE, ARE PRETTY SIMILAR.
IT'S, IT'S THE WAY THEY ARE IMPLEMENTED IS THE DIFFERENCE.
UM, SO MAYBE THE NEW DOCUMENT COULD FOCUS MORE ON THE IMPLEMENTATION.
'CAUSE I DON'T THINK THEY NEED, LIKE YOU SAID THAT THE, EVERYONE HOME WAS PRETTY ROBUST IN, IN TERMS OF ITS, UM, PARTICIPATION AND THE ANALYSIS AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO MAYBE WHAT THEY NEED TO DO IS PRIORITIZE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO IMPLEMENT THOSE ONES THAT ARE IN THE TOP THREE OR WHATEVER.
BUT BECAUSE THAT HAS BEEN, FROM MY STANDPOINT, THAT HAS BEEN THE DIFFERENCES IN THE VARIOUS COMMUNITIES AND HOW THEY'RE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACT HOMELESSNESS.
THEY WANTED TO, THEY PLAN TO REDUCE THE UNSHELTERED BY 16%.
THAT WAS A PRETTY GOOD NUMBER TO START WITH.
WE NOW HAVE 1500 ON A WAIT LIST.
IT SEEMS REASONABLE THAT WE REDUCE THAT BY 20, YOU KNOW, SO WHAT'S THE DETAIL OF HOW WE'RE GONNA DO THIS, UM, TO CREATE PERMANENT SHELTER OF SOME SORT? YEAH.
'CAUSE I DO HAVE THIS THE 2 2 20 17 ANNUAL REPORT AND THE SHELTER RATE THAT WE CALLED OUT THERE.
SEE THAT'S WHY I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT.
MAYBE THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING YOU TO INCLUDE IT IS 'CAUSE UM, THERE, THE SHELTER RATE WAS ABOUT 400 SOME AT 2017.
AND THEN, UM, FROM ONE DALTON'S PRESENTATIONS, HIS, HIS BOTTOM NUMBER IS 3 73.
SO I, I'M NOT SURE IF WE HAVE APPLES WITH APPLES AND ORANGES WITH ORANGES OR IF WE HAVE STUFF.
'CAUSE IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME.
WELL I, IF THERE HASN'T BEEN A CHANGE IN SHELTER BUILDING, IT'S, I THINK IT'S THE WAY THEY'RE COUNTING, THERE'S BEEN CHANGE IN THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE.
SO THERE WERE LIKE 1200 UN SHELTERED PEOPLE IN THAT YEAR AND THERE WERE OVER 2000 LAST YEAR.
I THINK WE JUST NEED TO FIND OUT WHAT THEY'RE TELLING YOU AND YEAH, SO IT, IT COULD BE THEY ARE INCREASING, BUT WE JUST DON'T KNOW.
HOW MANY SHELTER BEDS HAVE BEEN ADDED SINCE 2018? RIGHT.
AND I DON'T, MAYBE THEY HAVE ADDED 200, BUT, BUT THAT WAS ONLY FOR TWO YEARS.
BUT IF, IF I LOOK AT THE SHELTERS, THE 2 61 IN 2017, UM, ONE OF THEM DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE AND, BUT THE OTHER ONES STILL DO.
SO IT, IT MAY BE THAT WE ARE, WE HAVE ADDED 200, BUT THEY'RE MAY BE CLASSIFIED
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DIFFERENTLY.I DON'T, I DUNNO, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THIS TABLE ANYMORE.
AND THOSE NUMBERS, THE 16% TO ME IS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR SUBSTANTIAL DUCTION MM-HMM
WE STILL HAVE 1500 ON THE WAIT LIST.
SO, YOU KNOW, DON'T WORRY ABOUT KEEPING TRACK OF WHAT'S BEEN DONE.
HOW ARE WE GONNA GET ANOTHER 20%? THE RECOMMENDATION WAS FOR AN AGGRESSIVE APPROACH TO INCREASING THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE SHELTERED, WHICH IS IN LINE ROUGHLY WITH THE NUMBERS THAT WE'RE COMMENDING.
ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS AGENDA ITEM? NONE.
UM, ALL IN FAVOR OF OUR RECEIV QUESTION.
HONOR AGENDA FOR A MOTION TO, UH, ON THE RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. SECOND, WHAT FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS DO WE HAVE FOR THE I HAVE ONE.
I HAVEN'T THOUGHT WHAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOTTEN AND I I DISCUSSION AROUND HOW, AND YOU TALKED ABOUT IT, HOW TO GET MORE, IS THERE A WAY TO GET MORE INPUT FROM THE COMMITTEE TO US AROUND RECOMMENDATIONS, LIKE IN PEOPLE'S MIND AND WE DON'T HEAR, I DON'T THINK I HEAR MUCH.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S JUST BECAUSE THERE AREN'T ANY, OR BECAUSE THE COMMITTEE DOESN'T KNOW THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, SO THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO DISCUSS.
UM, YOU COULD, DOES IT NEED TO BE DONE? HOW COULD IT BE DONE? YOU MIGHT DO IT IN DIFFERENT WAYS.
I HAD AN IDEA OR TWO, BUT IT COULD BE DONE IN DIFFERENT WAYS.
WE CAN PUT IT ON THE AGENDA AND AND HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THAT AND, AND FOR THE WHOLE PAGE.
I THINK AND THEY SHOULD SHAPE IT, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER.
LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS OR YEAH.
LET'S, YEAH, LET'S, UH, HERE'S SOME IDEAS OF HOW YOU COULD DO IT.
YOU KNOW, YOU COULD, I THINK IN, IN MY MIND, MY MIND FOR SORT OF THE FORMALITY OF THE COMMITTEE, THE WAY TO DO IT AND SORT OF DOCUMENT IT WOULD BE AT SOME POINT IN THE MEETING, MAYBE AT THE END OF THE MEETING, YOU, IT'S, IT'S PUT OUT THERE NOW SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF IN HEARD.
DOES ANYONE HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON WHAT WE'VE HEARD TODAY? AND IF THE ANSWER IS NO, AND IF THE ANSWER IS YES, TAKE SOME NOTES AND, AND WE CAN DISCUSS IT AND, AND IT WOULD BE RECOMMENDATIONS OF ISSUES TO REFER TO THE POLICIES.
CONSIDER, DO WE WANNA DEVELOP RECOMMENDATION MM-HMM
AND THEN IT'S FORMAL AND PEOPLE KNOW THEY CAN DO IT.
AND UH, AND THEN MAYBE EVEN AS PEOPLE BRING UP SOME IDEAS DURING A TOPIC, WE, WE COULD MAYBE THAT LEADS TO, HEY, DO WE WANT TO MAKE THIS, WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT TILL THE END DISCUSS IT.
SO, SO I THINK SOMETHING THAT'S MORE PURPOSEFUL.
JUST, AND IT'S IN THE MINUTES AND IT'S PART OF THE, AT LEAST GIVE PEOPLE, OKAY, SO WE'VE DISCUSSED, MAYBE THIS WILL BE ON THE GENERAL
AND THEN I WAS JUST CONSIDERING LIKE CHANGING MY OWN BEHAVIOR A LITTLE BIT TO DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU DID OF, IF I HEAR MEMBERS OF HAY SAP SAYING, OH, WE, MAYBE WE SHOULD BE SUGGESTING TO THE CITY MAYBE SAY, OH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO REFER THIS TO THE POLICY COMMITTEE SO THAT WE CAN MM-HMM
SO A MIXTURE OF FORMAL DISCUSSIONS AND MAYBE JUST ME PROACTIVELY OR ANY OF US PROACTIVELY SAYING THAT IS SOMETHING WE COULD CONSIDER ON THE POLICY COMMITTEE.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO REFER IT? YOU KNOW, SO, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, LET'S THINK OF ROBERT'S RULES.
SO THE OTHER THING I'M AWARE OF IS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE RECOMMENDATIONS WE CAN MAKE SUGGESTIONS AND YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY, UM, PAUL CAN HELP US CLARIFY, TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.
WE CAN MAKE SUGGESTIONS, BUT YOU KNOW, IF ANYTHING IS MEANINGFUL, IT HAS TO BE A RECOMMENDATION.
AND SO THAT NEEDS FULL, THAT NEEDS EVERYONE TO, YOU KNOW, A MAJORITY IT, YOU KNOW, A FORMALITY TO IT IN ROBERT'S RULES.
SO IF I THINK IF IT WAS TO COME AS A SUGGESTION AT THE COMMITTEE LEVEL AND THEN COME TO US, IT'S,
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IT'S JUST FOR A CONSIDERATION.THEN WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION VOTE ON IT.
AND OUR VOTE MIGHT BE, THIS IS A, WE THINK THIS IS A GOOD IDEA.
AND IT WOULD THEN GO BACK EITHER IN ONE OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS OR IT WOULD GO BACK FOR THE COMMITTEE TO DISCUSS.
OR WE COULD SAY, WE DON'T THINK SO BECAUSE OF THIS AND THIS, AND THEN WE TAKE IT BACK.
AND THE COMMITTEE COULD ACCEPT THAT, OR THE COMMITTEE COULD SAY, NO, NO, NO, NO.
I, I HAVE A MOTION THAT WE VOTE ON IT NOW AND THE COMMITTEE COULD OVERRULE US.
SO ROBERT'S RULES, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE DO IT IN A WAY THAT ROBERT'S RULES, I COULD SEE THAT GOING IS, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WOULD BE IN THE MONTHLY SUBCOMMITTEE REPORT OF WE RECEIVED A REFERRAL FROM HAYEK TO LOOK INTO THIS ISSUE.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY COULD ASK FOR CLARIFICATION OR PUSHBACK THERE.
AND THEN WHEN WE BRING FORTH OUR POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS, AND WE WOULD KNOW FROM THAT DISCUSSION IF YOU LISTEN, OH, WE DON'T LIKE THAT WE THINK, YOU KNOW, WE THINK WE SHOULD HAVE CONSIDERED IT.
THEN WHEN WE BRING FORTH OUR POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS, PEOPLE WHO MAYBE DISAGREED COULD SAY, ACTUALLY I'M NOT GONNA VOTE FOR THIS.
YOU NEED TO ADD ON A RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS.
I, I JUST WANNA, I DON'T, I DON'T, I THINK IT WOULD BE PROBLEMATIC IF WE TOOK THE FULL COMMITTEE TIME TO VOTE ON THINGS COMING TO US.
I THINK WE CAN TAKE SUGGESTIONS, PROCESS THEM, AND EITHER THEY COME AS A RECOMMENDATION OR WE CIRCLE BACK TO THE COMMITTEE IN SOME WAY TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE CONSIDERED THESE BUT WE DIDN'T CONSIDER THESE FOR THESE REASONS.
SO WE CLOSED THE LOOP ON ANYTHING THAT'S RECOMMENDED TO US.
AND EVERYTHING HAS THE ABILITY TO GO THROUGH ROBERT'S RULE AND VOTING AND UH, AND THE COMMITTEE HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY TO AGREE WITH US OR RECOMMEND SOMETHING ELSE.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS AND KIND OF SUBTLE UPON THAT.
OTHER, UM, I GUESS FUTURE AGENDA, WHAT WAS THE, UM,
OH, THAT'S THE STATE RIGHT? DAY TO DAY-TO-DAY SURVIVAL ACTIVITIES.
AND THEN, UM, SO IT SAYS THAT IT WOULD PROHIBIT LOCAL AND STATE AUTHORITIES FROM IMPOSING PENALTIES, INCLUDING JAIL TIME FOR FINES TO, UM, HOUSE INDIVIDUALS FOR ACTS RELATED TO THEIR BASIC SURVIVAL AND PROTECT THOSE PROVIDING ASSISTANCE TO HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS.
UM, I I JUST BRING THIS UP NOT ONLY BECAUSE IT, IT SORT OF, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE STATUS OF THIS, 'CAUSE THIS WAS BACK IN MARCH, 2020 FIFTH, 2025 WHEN I GOT THIS.
UM, BUT IF THERE'S OTHER LEGISLATION THAT DIRECTS LOCAL ENTITIES SUCH AS THE CITY OF LONG BEACH AND HOW IT DEALS WITH HOMELESSNESS, UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR US TO LOOK AT THEM.
BECAUSE THE CITY DOES HAVE A LEGISLATIVE BODY.
AND WHEN I ASKED HIM ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR ONE, THEY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT IT.
UM, AND I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION, UM, WITH CLAYTON
UM, WHO IS WORKING NOW FOR THE CITY AND MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS ON STATE LEGISLATION.
AND HE HAD SAID, OH, HE'D BE INTERESTED IN HEARING WHAT WE THINK ON STATE LEGISLATION.
AND I WAS LIKE, WELL I DO STATE LEGISLATION FOR MY PROFESSIONAL JOB, BUT WE'RE A LITTLE BIT MORE MUNICIPALLY FOCUSED HERE.
BUT HE SAID THAT HE WAS OPEN TO HEARING FROM OUR COMMITTEE ON AT THE CITY LEVEL OF WHAT DO WE THINK ABOUT STATE LEGISLATION.
SO I'LL PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR OUR NEXT SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING AND WE CAN LOOK AT THAT IN ANY OTHER STATE LAWS AND EITHER OFFER, YOU KNOW, INFORMAL FEEDBACK TO HIM OR WE COULD EVEN, IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE OUTSIDE OF OUR ROLE, WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE STATUTE, BUT WE COULD ALSO WRITE A LETTER TO THE STATE LEGISLATURE, THE COMMITTEES THAT CONSIDER THIS AND SAY LIKE, AS A CITIZEN BODY IN A LOCAL MUNICIPALITY, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THAT'S ANOTHER, WELL, YEAH, NO, THE CITY OF LONG BEACH DOES THAT.
YEAH, THEY SHOULD IF THEY DO IT.
SO THAT KIND, MY, MY LITTLE THING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS SAN JOSE AND LANCASTER, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST MISINFORMATION, MISUNDERSTANDING AT THE MAYOR LEVEL.
IT'S LIKE, WELL I THINK, UM, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, SO IS THERE THE
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ABILITY FOR OUR CITY TO, AND I THINK OUR CITY AGREE THAT THOSE TWO OPTIONS ARE NOT GOOD, I HOPE.AND TO HAVE A PROCESS TO KIND OF ADVOCATE THEIR DIFFERENT LEVELS, STATE LEGISLATURE, UM, CONSISTENT WITH A HUMANE APPROACH, UM, WHERE WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO, TO SPECIFICALLY SAY WE DO NOT AGREE WITH THE LANCASTER AND THE SAN JOSE APPROACH AS YOU KNOW, AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE 'CAUSE THE STATE LEGISLATURES ARE, IT'S ALL OF THIS STUFF TRICKLES UP TO THEM, YOU KNOW.
WELL, I WOULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WHILE I PERSONALLY LIKE DISAGREE WITH THE APPROACHES OF VARIOUS CITIES IN CALIFORNIA, I THINK OUR ROLE AS A CITIZENS BODY IN LONG BEACH, CALIFORNIA IS TO MAKE SURE LONG BEACH, CALIFORNIA IS, YOU KNOW, DOING THE RIGHT THING.
AND I THINK THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SHAPE STATE LEVEL LAW, 'CAUSE AS YOU SAID, IT DIRECTLY IMPACTS WHAT OUR MUNICIPALITY CAN DO.
I DON'T THINK WE AS A CITIZEN ADVISORY BODY IN LONG BEACH HAVE MUCH INFLUENCE OVER SAN JOSE.
WE CAN INFLUENCE THE STATES, YOU KNOW, THE STATES NO, BUT I THINK WE COULD MAKE IT CLEAR AGAIN.
AND, BUT I THINK I, I ADVOCATE FOR A, WE COULD PUT IN THIS I IF, IF IF WE COME FROM AN AREA AND A CULTURE THAT IS ADVOCATING THINGS IN A CERTAIN WAY, LANCASTER AND THEIR CULTURE MAY BE ADVOCATING THINGS IN A DIFFERENT WAY TO THE STATE.
AND SO I DO THINK, I DO THINK BEING SPECIFIC AND SAYING, YOU KNOW, UH, FREE FENTANYL TO HOMELESS ISN'T, YOU KNOW, IS, IS ABSOLUTELY WRONG.
YOU KNOW, IT IS GOT EVERYTHING WRONG.
WELL ADD A LITTLE SPECIFICITY.
I WILL PUT ON OUR NEXT MEETING AGENDA TO DISCUSS, UM, STATE LEGISLATION AND APPROACHES FROM THROUGHOUT THE STATE AND ANY RECOMMENDATIONS WE MIGHT GIVE TO THE, THE CITY ON THEIR STATE LEGISLATIVE APPROACH.
IT COULD BE JUST, YOU KNOW, MISUNDERSTANDINGS.
WE BELIEVE THERE'S MISUNDERSTANDINGS AS WE'VE HEARD FROM SAN JOSE.
WE'LL, AND NEXT TIME, BUT NOT THIS TIME.
WE HAVE TO
IT'S LIKE I SAID, IT'S ALL ABOUT IMPLEMENTATION AND JOSE AND HIS DIRECTIVE TO SUPPORT, UM, THE CRIMINALIZATION OF HOMELESSNESS.
HE ALSO PUT ALL THEIR MONEY INTO SHELTER.
SO HE, YOU KNOW, HE IS, I DON'T KNOW, DOUBLING, TRIPLING HIS, HIS, HIS SHELTER CAPACITY AS A RESULT OF HIS DIRECTIVE.
SO HIS INTENTION ISN'T TO FILL UP HIS JAILS WITH HOMELESS PEOPLE.
IT IS TO GET HIM OFF THE STREET, BUT IT'S A LOT OF, SAME WITH CULVER CITY, RIGHT? THEY DID THE SAME THING.
THEY DID THEIR SHELTER FIRST, AND THEN THEY, THEY WANTED TO ENFORCE THE, THE NO CAMPING LAW.
AND SO YOU CAN'T TAKE IT OUT OF CONTEXT.
I THINK, UM, I LIKE, AS I SAID BEFORE, I THINK EVERYBODY WANTS TO ADDRESS HOMELESSNESS.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF IMPLEMENTING THESE PROGRAMS AND, AND DOING THEM AS EFFECTIVELY AS THEY CAN.
ALRIGHT, SO WE'LL HAVE OUR DETAILED DISCUSSION ON THIS.
OUR NEXT MEETING HAS RECOMMENDED THANK YOU CHAIR.
UM, OKAY, SO ALL IN FAVOR OF NUMBER THREE.
MEMBERS, UH, ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS I MOVED TO.