* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:02] GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. I WOULD LIKE TO CALL A CULTURAL HERITAGE COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER FOR MAY 27TH, 2025. [ROLL CALL] MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL FOR THE ROLE. COMMISSIONER BODAK. COMMISSIONER HUNTER, COMMISSIONER PADILLA PEREZ PRESENT. COMMISSIONER PIZZA PRESENT, COMMISSIONER PRYOR PRESENT, VICE CHAIR GFI AND CHAIR WAN PRESENT. WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU FOR THE RECORD. VICE CHAIR GFI IS EXCUSED FROM THE MEETING, AND COMMISSIONER BODAK WILL BE ARRIVING SHORTLY. ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? IF THERE ARE NONE, MAY I PLEASE VOLUNTEER? [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE] COMMISSIONER PRYOR TO LEAD THE FLAG OF ALLEGIANCE, THE THE FLAG SALUTE, PLEASE STAND AND REMOVE YOUR HAT. THANK YOU. YOU CAN BE SEATED AT THIS TIME. WE'LL HAVE THE SWEARING OF THE WITNESSES. IT IS NOW TIME. IF YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE TESTIMONY, PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE EVIDENCE YOU SHALL GIVE IN THIS CULTURAL HERITAGE COMMISSION MEETING SHALL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. THANK YOU FOR OUR REGULAR AGENDA ITEM. [1. 25-55371 Recommendation to receive and file Director’s Report.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT MAY HAVE A MOTION ON THIS ITEM. WE HAVE A MOTION WAS MOVED BY COMMISSIONER PRYOR AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER PADILLA PEREZ. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE STAFF. WONDERFUL. THANK YOU CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS. UM, FIRST I WANNA START OFF BY SAYING HAPPY NATIONAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION MONTH, THE MONTH OF MAY EACH YEAR, UH, COMMEMORATES THAT. UM, AND EARLIER THIS MONTH, I HAD THE PLEASURE OF ATTENDING THE 2025 CALIFORNIA PRESERVATION CONFERENCE, WHICH TAKES PLACE EACH YEAR, USUALLY IN MAY. UH, THIS YEAR'S CONFERENCE WAS HELD IN SACRAMENTO ENTITLED BREAKING BARRIERS BUILDING BRIDGES WITH A FOCUS ON HOW WE, UM, CONTINUE TO DO HISTORIC PRESERVATION IN A CHANGING WORLD. HOW TO BETTER, UH, BRIDGE DIVIDES AND OVERCOME CHALLENGES, ESPECIALLY RELATED TO, UM, EQUITY, ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY, COMMUNITY WELLBEING, AND THE NEED FOR HOUSING. SO IT'S A VERY EXCITING AND INSPIRATIONAL, UM, CONFERENCE AND JUST WANTED TO SHARE BACK, UM, THAT, UM, I TOOK SOME, SOME BIG LESSONS ABOUT, UM, OUR WORK AND OUR PROGRAM AND IDEAS FROM OTHER, UH, COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT CALIFORNIA. UM, MUCH OF THAT INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE ONLINE. UM, HAPPY TO SHARE MORE, UH, DETAIL AT SOME POINT FURTHER. BUT JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION COMING BACK FROM A VERY EXCITING CONFERENCE AND THINKING ABOUT HOW WE CONTINUE TO, UM, CONDUCT OUR WORK MOVING FORWARD, UM, AND TO BETTER KIND OF PROMOTE SOME OF OUR, OUR SHARED PRIORITIES. SO, WANTED TO SHARE THAT. AND WITH THAT, UH, THAT CONCLUDES THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. THERE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT? IF THERE ARE NONE, WE'LL NOW TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT. ANYONE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT, PLEASE LINE UP IN FRONT OF THE PODIUM IF THERE ARE NONE VIRTUALLY. IF YOU ARE JOINING US VIRTUALLY AND YOU'D LIKE TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT, PLEASE USE THE RAISE HAND FUNCTION AT THIS TIME. THERE APPEARS TO BE NO PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL FOR THE VOTE. MOTION IS CARRIED. THANK YOU MADAM CLERK, PLEASE READ THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, PLEASE. [2. 25-55372 Recommendation to approve the minutes for the Cultural Heritage Commission meeting of Tuesday, April 29, 2025.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] ITEM NUMBER TWO IS A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR THE CULTURAL HERITAGE COMMISSION MEETING OF TUESDAY, APRIL 29TH, 2025. MAY I HAVE A MOTION FOR THIS ITEM? A MOTION WAS MOVED BY COMMISSIONER HUNTER AND SECOND IT BY COMMISSIONER. UH, PRYER WELL COMMISSION. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MINUTES? [00:05:03] IF THERE ARE NONE, WE'LL NOW TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT. ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE MINUTES, PLEASE LINE UP IN FRONT OF THE PODIUM, IF NOT VIRTUALLY. IF YOU'RE JOINING US VIRTUALLY AND YOU'D LIKE TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE MINUTES, PLEASE USE THE RAISE HAND FUNCTION AT THIS TIME. THERE APPEARS TO BE NO PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL FOR THE VOTE. MOTION IS CARRIED. THANK YOU. UH, MADAM CLERK, PLEASE READ THE NEXT ITEM. [3. 25-55381 Recommendation to approve a Major Certificate of Appropriateness request to construct a 65-square-foot rear addition to the main residence to attach the existing garage to the main residence. The proposed project also includes a 54-square-foot reduction to the garage and the conversion of the garage and addition into a new attached second dwelling unit. The project also includes construction of a detached two-story building at the rear of the property consisting of a four-car garage with attached storage and mechanical rooms on the ground floor and two new accessory dwelling units (ADUs) over the proposed garages at the rear half of the property. The ADUs are permitted by right under state law and not subject to Cultural Heritage Commission review. The property is located at 3021 East Mariquita Street, within the Bluff Heights Historic District and the existing primary residence is a Contributing Structure in the R-2-A Zoning District. (District 2)       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] ITEM NUMBER THREE IS A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE A MAJOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A 65 SQUARE FOOT REAR ADDITION TO THE MAIN RESIDENCE TO ATTACH THE, THE EXISTING GARAGE TO THE MAIN RESIDENCE. THE PROPOSED PROJECT ALSO INCLUDES A 54 SQUARE FOOT REDUCTION TO THE GARAGE AND THE CONVERSION OF THE GARAGE AND ADDITION INTO A NEW ATTACHED SECOND DWELLING UNIT. THE PROJECT ALSO INCLUDES CONSTRUCTION OF A DETACHED TWO STORY BUILDING AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY CONSISTING OF A FOUR CAR GARAGE WITH ATTACHED STORAGE AND MECHANICAL ROOMS ON THE GROUND FLOOR, AND TWO NEW ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS OVER THE PROPOSED GARAGES AT THE REAR HALF OF THE PROPERTY. THE ADUS ARE PERMITTED BY RIGHT UNDER STATE LAW AND NOT SUBJECT TO CULTURAL HERITAGE COMMISSION REVIEW. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 3 0 2 1 EAST MARQUITA STREET WITHIN THE BLUFF HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND THE EXISTING PRIMARY RESIDENCE IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN THE R DASH TWO DASH A ZONING DISTRICT DISTRICT TWO. MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO HEAR THIS ITEM? THE MOTION WAS MOVED BY COMMISSIONER PISO AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER UH PRYOR. MAY I HAVE THE PRESENTATION? YES. THANK. YES, THANK YOU. THERE WE GO. YES. THANK YOU. I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER IN A MOMENT TO THE PROJECT PLANNER, REPU TORRES COMPOST, WHO WILL PROVIDE THE PRESENTATION ON, UH, THE APPLICATION BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING. UH, BUT BEFORE I DO, UH, JUST KIND OF A REMINDER OF SORT OF WHAT'S IN OUR PURVIEW HERE TONIGHT IS THAT DESIGN REVIEW FOR CONSISTENCY, UM, OF THE PROJECT WITH, UM, THE FINDINGS, THE LEGAL FINDINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED, UM, AND FOR THAT, UM, COMPATIBILITY. UM, MUCH OF THE SCOPE THAT'S DESCRIBED SORT OF IN THE BACKGROUND RELATES TO ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, WHICH ARE, UM, TYPES OF HOUSING UNITS THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO APPROVE BY RIGHT UNDER STATE LAW. SO IT'S REALLY NOT AT ALL IN OUR, OUR PURVIEW. UM, BUT WE DO HAVE THAT LIMITED JURISDICTION ON A PORTION OF THE DESIGN REVIEW, UM, OUTSIDE OF, OF THOSE ADUS, WHILE KEEPING IN MIND THAT THE, THE ABILITY TO PUT THE ADUS ON THE SITE CREATES NEW DESIGN CONSTRAINTS. SO WE'VE SEEN PROJECTS LIKE THIS IN THE PAST, BUT IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE'VE HAD THAT LEVEL OF CONSTRAINT ON A PROJECT. SO I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF REMIND US OF, OF THAT PURVIEW OF THE CONSTRAINTS AND OF THE FINDINGS BEING A BIG PART OF, UM, WHAT'S IN OUR, UM, OUR POWER. REMEMBER THE, THE TRAININGS THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH TOGETHER, UH, THIS PAST YEAR. AND I CAN SEE THEY'RE EFFECTIVE 'CAUSE I SEE YOU ALL SHAKING YOUR HEADS. SO, UH, JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT REMINDER OUT BEFORE I PASS IT OVER TO THE PROJECT PLANNER. REFUGIO. UH, THANK YOU ALLISON. UH, GOOD EVENING CHAIR AND FELLOW COMMISSIONERS BEFORE YOU AS A MAJOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS REQUESTS FOR A PARTIAL GARAGE DEMOLITION A SMALL ADDITION TO THE MAIN RESIDENCE FOR A GARAGE CONVERSION TO AN, TO AN ATTACHED SECOND UNIT AND A NEW ATTACHED TWO STORY STRUCTURE WITH THE FOUR CAR GARAGE AND TWO ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS. ON THE SECOND STORY, THE SUBJECT SIDE IS HIGHLIGHTED IN RED AT 30 21 EAST MARQUITA STREET BETWEEN ORVA AVENUE AND OBISPO AVENUE. THE PROPERTY IS WITHIN THE R TWO A SONY DISTRICT AND WITHIN THE BLUFF HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE LOT SIZE IS 7,500 SQUARE FEET AND CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH A ONE STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE AND A DETACHED ONE CAR GARAGE FROM 1918 IN A CRAFTSMAN ARCHITECTURAL STYLE. THE PROPERTY ALSO HAS AN EXISTING FRONT DRIVEWAY AND IS ADJACENT TO AN ALLEY ON THE REAR. THESE ARE THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE EXISTING ONE STORY RESIDENCE FROM THE FRONT AND THE VIEW OF THE ONE STORY GARAGE FROM THE DRIVEWAY FACING MARQUITA STREET. THE GARAGE IS PARTIALLY VISIBLE. THE MAIN RESIDENCE AND GARAGE ARE IN A CRAFTSMAN ARCHITECTURAL STYLE WITH WOOD SIDING, WOOD WINDOWS EXPOSED RAFTER TAILS, DECORATIVE VENTS, HIGH PITCHED GABLE ROOF, AND AN EXTERIOR RAISED PORCH WITH CONCRETE STEPS SUPPORTED BY TWO SQUARE POSTS THAT INCORPORATE WOOD AND MASONRY [00:10:01] ELEMENTS. THE GARAGE PHOTO HERE SHOWS A CLOSER LOOK FROM THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY FRONT IN MARQUITO STREET AND THE OTHER PHOTO SHOWS THE REAR OF THE MAIN RESIDENCE FROM THE ALLEY. THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN. IN BLUE IS THE EXISTING ONE STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE IN THE EXISTING DRIVEWAYS FRONT IN MEDICA STREET, UH, IN PURPLE. THE EXISTING DETACHED ONE CAR GARAGE. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO DEMOLISH 54 SQUARE FEET FROM THE SIDE OF THE GARAGE ON THE EAST SIDE, WHICH IS HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW AND ADDING 65 SQUARE FEET, WHICH ARE, IS HIGHLIGHTED IN GREEN. THE ATTACH, UH, TO ATTACH THE STRUCTURE TO THE REAR OF THE MAIN RESIDENCE AND CONVERT IT TO A NEW SECOND UNIT. THE PROPOSED FOUR CAR GARAGE WITH TWO ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS ON THE TOP IS HIGHLIGHTED IN RED. THE GARAGE AND A DU STRUCTURE WILL ALSO HAVE A STORAGE AND MECHANICAL ROOM ON THE FIRST FLOOR FACING THE INTERIOR OF THE PROPERTY AS HIGHLIGHTED IN ORANGE. THE SCOPE OF WORK IS MULTIFACETED. I WANT TO TAKE A MINUTE AND FIRST TALK ABOUT THE PROPOSED GARAGE CHANGES AND THEN PROCEED WITH THE REAR SCOPE OF WORK. HERE YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING DETACHED GARAGE IN PURPLE WITH THE DEMOLITION IN YELLOW AND THE ADDITION IN GREEN PER THE ZONE. THE PROPERTY CAN HAVE A SECOND UNIT, BUT A SECOND UNIT REQUIRES A FOUR FOOT SETBACK, WHICH IS THE REASON FOR THE PROPOSED DEMOLITION TO CREATE THE REQUIRED FOUR SETBACK FROM THE SIDE PROPERTY LINE ON THE EAST. THE PROPOSED DEMOLITION WILL BE SCREENED BY THE EXISTING TRELLIS ON THE DRIVEWAY AND THE 65 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION IS MINIMAL AND WILL BE ENTIRELY ON THE REAR OF THE MAIN RESIDENCE AND NOT VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. ALTERNATIVES WERE DISCUSSED WITH THE APPLICANT INCLUDING ACHIEVING THE DESIRE, SCOPE OF WORK BY BUILDING AN ATTACHED SECOND UNIT ON THE REAR. BUT THE APPLICANT WANTED TO PRESERVE THE MAIN RESIDENCE, UM, WINDOWS AND DOORS AND THE BACKYARD OPEN SPACE. THEREFORE, THE RESULTING GARAGE CONVERSION IN ADDITION, WILL HAVE LESS THAN A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE SPATIAL RELATIONSHIP OF THE STRUCTURES. USABLE OPEN SPACE, SETBACKS, AESTHETICS AND LOCK COVERAGE WHILE PRESERVING THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS AND DOORS, WHICH ALIGNS WITH THE SPIRIT AND INTENT OF THE BLUFF HEIGHT. HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE NEW SECOND UNIT WILL BE A STUDIO UNIT WITH THE KITCHEN AND A FOOD BATHROOM. THE REAR SCOPE OF WORK INCLUDES A 902 SQUARE FOOT FOUR CAR GARAGE AS HIGHLIGHTED IN RED WITH A 97 SQUARE FOOT STORAGE ROOM AND A 104 SQUARE FOOT MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT ROOM, WHICH IS HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW. THE GARAGE WILL TAKE ACCESS FROM THE REAR ALLEY WITH A 24 FOOT TURNING RADIUS AND THE STORAGE AND MECHANICAL ROOMS WILL FACE THE INTERIOR OF THE LOT. THE STRUCTURES ARE SCREENED COMPLETELY FROM VIEW BY THE MAIN RESIDENCE. THEY ARE ALSO ON THE REAR HALF OF THE PROPERTY WITH THE FRONT SETBACK OF APPROXIMATELY 107 FEET FROM THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE. THE TWO PROPOSED A OVER THE GARAGES ON THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY ARE PERMITTED BY RIGHT AND UNDER STATE LAW AND NOT SUBJECT TO THE CULTURAL HERITAGE COMMISSION APPROVAL, BUT ARE INCLUDED HERE AS REFERENCE BOTH A, THE USE ARE 724 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE AND INCLUDE BEDROOM, DINING AND LIVING ROOM, FOOD, KITCHEN AND FOOD BATHROOMS. BOTH ADU ARE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY THROUGH THE MINOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS APPLICATION. IN TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, THE PROJECT MEETS ALL SETBACKS, HEIGHT LIMITS, LOCK COVERAGE, OPEN SPACE, ALLOWABLE UNIT NUMBERS AND PARKING REQUIREMENTS. THE REFERENCE TABLE HERE IS ALSO ON THE STAFF REPORT. THIS IS THE PROPOSED ELEVATION FROM THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY. THE EXISTING TRELLIS ON THE DRIVEWAY IS HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW. THE EXISTING GARAGE STRUCTURE IS SHOWN IN PURPLE AND IS LARGELY SCREENED BY THE MAIN RESIDENCE AND EXISTING TRELLIS. THE EXISTING GARAGE TO BE CONVERTED TO A SECOND UNIT WILL PRESERVE THE GARAGE DOOR ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION FACING THE DRIVEWAY. THE SCOPE OF WORK IS ENTIRELY TUCKED BEHIND THE MAIN RESIDENCE AND FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF VIEW, PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. THERE WILL BE MINIMAL CHANGES. THE PROPOSED GARAGE AND A DU [00:15:01] STRUCTURE WILL BE TWO STORIES AND IS HIGHLIGHTED IN RED. THE MAIN RESIDENCE AND ONE CAR GARAGE HAVE A HIGH PITCH GABLE ROOF OF SIX 12 AND THE NEW GARAGE. A DU STRUCTURE WILL HAVE A TWO 12 ROOF PITCH, WHICH HELPS SCREEN THE STRUCTURE FROM VIEW. THE PROPOSED GARAGE. A DU STRUCTURE WILL BE VISIBLE BY FOUR FEET AND ONE INCH WITH THE TOTAL HEIGHT OF 19 FEET AND 10 INCHES TO MATCH THE PEAK OF THE MAIN RESIDENCE ROOF. DO YOU SEE THESE ARE THE PROPOSED ELEVATIONS FOR THE PROPOSED GARAGE CONVERSION TO A SECOND UNIT. THERE WILL BE MINIMAL CHANGES FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE FRONT ELEVATION. PRIMARILY THE ONLY CHANGE THAT WILL BE VISIBLE IS THE PARTIAL DEMOLITION TO CREATE THE FOUR FOOT SETBACK ON THE EAST SIDE. BUT THE ENTIRE NEW ADDITION WILL BE TUCKED BEHIND THE MAIN RESIDENCE, FULLY SCREENED FROM VIEW THE REAR. THE REAR ELEVATION IS SCREENED FROM VIEW AS WELL AND WILL FEATURE A SINGLE HUNG WOOD WINDOW AND A WOOD DOOR. THESE ARE THE EAST AND WEST ELEVATIONS OR WORK WILL BE DONE TO MATCH EXISTING IN TERMS OF MATERIALS SUCH AS WOOD SIDING AND SINGLE WOOD WINDOWS. SINGLE HUNG WOOD WINDOWS. THIS IS THE SOUTH ELEVATION OF THE GARAGE, A DU STRUCTURE, WHICH FACES THE FRONT. THE PROPOSED INCLUDES WOOD SIDING, SINGLE HUNG WOOD WINDOWS, WOOD DOORS, AND EXTERIOR STAIRS WITH ROOT, WITH WOOD RAILING. AND THIS IS THE NORTH ELEVATION, WHICH FACES THE ALLEY AND SHOWS TWO SINGLE HUNG WOOD WINDOWS FOR EACH A DU FACING THE ALLEY. THIS ALSO SHOWS THE GARAGE ENTRANCES. THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL WILL ENSURE THE NEW GARAGE DOORS AND MANUFACTURING SPECS ARE REVIEWED DURING THE PLAN CHECK REVIEW PROCESS FOR THE PERMITS. AND THIS IS THE EAST ELEVATION. THE PROPOSED INCLUDES HORIZONTAL WOOD SIDING AND WOOD MATERIALS THAT ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE CRAFTSMAN ARCHITECTURAL STYLE. AND THIS IS THE WEST ELEVATION. THE PROJECT ALSO INCLUDES DECORATIVE VENT AND RAFTER TAILS, WHICH ARE ALSO COMPATIBLE WITH THE CRAFTSMAN ARCHITECTURAL STYLE. AS DESIGNED, THE PROPOSED PROJECT COMPLIES WITH THE SONY CODE, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT ORDINANCE, THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, THE CRAFTSMAN STYLE GUIDE, AND THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FINDINGS. AS OF TODAY, STAFF HAS HAS HAD THREE PUBLIC COMMENTS WITH ONE GENERAL, WITH ONE WITH GENERAL QUESTIONS, ANOTHER WITH CONCERNS ABOUT ALLEY ACCESS DURING CONSTRUCTION. AND FINALLY ONE AGAINST, UM, THE PROJECT, UH, FOR FEAR OF UH, UH, PARKING ISSUES. BUT THE ADUS ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT WITH THE AFOREMENTIONED FINDINGS, WHICH ARE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS REQUESTS SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. AND THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION. AND STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT, MATTHEW FERD AND TOM FERD ARE, UH, PRESENT, UH, VIRTUALLY AS WELL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. BEFORE I OPEN IT UP FOR THE COMMISSIONERS, I WOULD LIKE FOR THE RECORD, UH, TO ANNOUNCE THAT COMMISSIONER BODAK HAS JOINED THE HEARING. THANK YOU. AND NOW, UH, I'D LIKE TO OPEN UP TO THE COMMISSIONERS IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, FOR THE STAFF COMMISSIONER PIT PEREZ, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. WAS THE FOUR FOOT SETBACK A REQUIREMENT FROM BUILDING AND SAFETY? BECAUSE TO MY UNDERSTANDING, IF A AN A STRUCTURE IS EXISTING WITH A NON-CONFORMING SETBACK, IT'S USUALLY ALLOWED TO REMAIN UNLESS THERE'S LIKE AN ADDITION ADDED TO IT AND THEN THAT HAS TO CONFORM. BUT WAS THAT A REQUIREMENT FROM STAFF THAT THEY THEY HAVE THAT FOUR FOOT SETBACK? YEAH, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. THIS IS FU CAMPOS PLANNER. UM, THAT WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT FROM STAFF PER THE MUNICIPAL CODE WHEN CONVERTING TO A UNIT. IT WOULD HAVE TO MEET A FOUR FOOT SETBACK FROM THE SIDE PROPERTY LINE. YEAH, I'D LIKE THE COMMISSIONER PIZZA. I I THANK YOU FOR YOUR EXPLANATIONS ON THE FOREFOOT SETBACK BECAUSE I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED WHY WE'RE DEMOING AN EXISTING GARAGE AND THEN ADDING SQUARE FEET. UM, 'CAUSE IT SEEMED LIKE YOU COULD HAVE GOT THE, THE BATHROOM IN PROBABLY THE ORIGINAL SIZE OF THE GARAGE. UM, SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, I WAS, I WAS THINKING IT WOULD BE GRANDFATHERED, BUT THAT TRIGGER IS BECAUSE IT'S THE SECOND DWELLING, CORRECT? UH, YES. SO THIS IS RAFU AGAIN, PLANNER? UH, YES, BECAUSE THEY'RE CONVERTING IT FROM A [00:20:01] ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO A DWELLING UNIT. UH, THEY WOULD HAVE TO CONFORM TO THE REQUIRED SETBACK, WHICH IS, WHICH IS IN THIS CASE FROM THE SIDE PROPERTY LINE IS FOUR FEET. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. UM, I ALSO NOTICED, UM, AND BY THE WAY, THANK YOU FUJI FOR YOUR VERY GOOD PRESENTATION. I REALLY APPRECIATED THE COLOR CODING OF THE MASSES AND THE STRUCTURES. IT WAS VERY HELPFUL. UM, IN TERMS OF THE, THE SLIDING, UM, BARN DOOR, THE GARAGE DOOR, UM, I'M NOTICING THAT IT SAYS ON THE DRAWINGS THAT IT'S TO BE REMOVED, UM, AND STORED FOR FUTURE USE. UM, BUT IT IS INDEED AND IT'S NOT IN THE CONDITIONS THAT I COULD READ THAT IT IS DEFINITELY BEING RE PUT IN OR RETAINED. I KNOW YOU SAID IT'S BEING RETAINED AND I THINK IT SAID SOMETHING SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THIS, UH, SOME DESCRIPTIONS. BUT ON ITEM EIGHT I ONLY SAW, UM, SOMETHING DEALING WITH GARAGES THAT WERE, UM, PROBABLY ON THE A DU. IT WAS TALKING ABOUT, UH, SUBMITTING SPECIFICATIONS FOR GARAGES. SO I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM SOMEHOW THAT WE ARE RETAINING THAT ORIGINAL HARDWARE BARN DOOR AND THE DOOR ITSELF. LET ME QUICKLY CONFIRM, BUT THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING. GIMME A SECOND. YEAH. UM, THIS IS ALEJANDRO FROM, UH, THE CITY DESK HERE. UM, ON SHEET, A 3 0 1, UH, THAT'S THE FRONT ELEVATION. UH, THERE IS A NOTE ON THERE THAT CALLS OUT, UH, LET ME, UH, EXISTING SLIDING GARAGE DOOR TO BE REPAIRED AND FIXED IN PLACE, UH, AS A NON OPERABLE DESIGN ELEMENT. UH, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU SAW A, A CONFLICTING NOTE ON ANOTHER ELEVATION COMMISSIONER, BUT YES, IF SO, WE CAN STRIKE IT AND MAKE SURE THAT THE FINAL VERSION UH, REFLECTS THE INTENTION TO, TO REPURPOSE THE, UM, THE SLIDING DOOR. SHE JUST POINTED OUT THE NOTE. I SAW IT ON ANOTHER, IT WAS IN THE GEN, IT WAS, IT WAS KEY CODED ON THE SIDE NOTES, IT WASN'T ON THE ACTUAL ELEVATION. AND IT JUST SAID SOMETHING ABOUT, UM, RETAINING IT FOR FUTURE USE. AND SO I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED. SO I I DON'T RECALL WHAT PAGE EXACTLY AND I SHOULD HAVE PROBABLY KNOW IT, IT PROBABLY IS ON, UM, 3.03 MAYBE WHERE I READ IT. UM, IN THE ELEVATION KEYNOTES PROBABLY. WE'LL MAKE SURE, BUT I'M GUESSING, YEAH, WE'LL MAKE SURE TO GET IT CORRECTED AND SYNC UP. PERFECT, THANK YOU. AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, AND I SEE IT ON THE DRAWINGS, THE RIBBON DRIVEWAY IS BEING RETAINED EVEN THOUGH THE DOOR IS MOVING OFF CENTER OF IT. THAT'S, UH, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. YES. SO THE RIBBON DRIVEWAY WILL BE PRESERVED IN PLACE. GREAT, THANK YOU. UM, ONE LAST QUESTION, , SORRY. UM, IS THE, THE ADDITION, THE 64 5 SQUARE FOOT BATHROOM, I SEE THAT IT'S, IT'S PROUD OF THE WEST ELEVATION OF THE EXISTING GARAGE. THAT IS THE CASE. IT WASN'T DEPICTED THAT WAY ON ONE OTHER DRAW ON ONE OTHER PLAN, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS ON THE ELEVATIONS AND I THINK, UM, IT'S DEPICTED THAT WAY. UM, GOING FORWARD, I THINK ON SOME OTHER ELEVATIONS. SO I WANNA MAKE SURE, SORRY, COULD YOU SAY, COULD YOU SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME? WHERE DID YOU SEE THE ? YEAH, SO ON THE WEST ELEVATION, IT LOOKS LIKE WHERE THE, THE NEW BATHROOM MEETS THE EXISTING GARAGE THAT IT'S FORWARD OF THE ELEVATE, THE FACE OF THE GARAGE, LIKE IT, THERE'S A STAIR STEP, BASICALLY A JOG IN THE BUILDING. IS THAT CORRECT? TOWARD THE INTERIOR YARD SIDE. OKAY, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. YEAH, YEAH. THOSE STAIRS ARE EXISTING. UM, THEY PROVIDE, UM, ACCESS TO THE BACKYARD. UM, THE ADDITION IS ENTIRELY TO THE SIDE OF THAT. AND WE'RE NOT COMING INTO CONTACT WITH THOSE STAIRS WITH THOSE STEPS. IT'S NOT THE STEPS. I'M UH, IT'S THE BUILDING TO THE BUILDING. IT'S THE CORNER OF THE GARAGE WHERE IT'S RECEIVING THE, THE BATHROOM WALL AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT JOGS. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT JOGS, 'CAUSE IT IT FOR RECOGNITION OF NEW AND OLD. I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT THAT IS INDEED 'CAUSE IT WASN'T QUITE LIKE THAT ON ANOTHER PLAN, UH, ON ANOTHER DRAWING ON, UH, IT'S SHOWN THAT WAY ON 1 0 1, A ONE OH, UM, A 1.01, IT'S SHOWN JOGGED AND I THINK IT IS DEPICTED THAT WAY ON THE ELEVATIONS. I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR THAT THAT IS WHAT'S HAPPENING. OKAY. THAT'S THE WAY IT IS. UH, OKAY. IT IS THE WAY IT IS DEPICTED. YES. [00:25:03] CAN YOU PULL THAT SLIDE BACK UP? YEAH, WHY DON'T YOU PULL THE SLIDE? YEAH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S, UH, A 1.01. UM, IT WOULD BE, UH, NUMBER ONE FLOOR PLAN RESIDENCE TWO, RIGHT? CORRECT, YEAH, WHERE THE SINK IS. YES. SO THAT IS JO, THAT IS THE CORRECT IT DOES THAT STAIR STEP OR JOG AT THE, AT THE CORNER BRUSH? YEAH. SO, OKAY. YEAH, SO IT IS JOGGED AND IT WILL HELP DISTINGUISH ORIGINAL FROM NEW RIGHT. BESIDES THAT ALSO THE HEIGHT DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE IN THE NEW ADDITION, UH, WILL ALSO HELP DIFFERENTIATE ORIGINAL FROM EXISTING. THANK YOU. THE NEW FROM THE ORIGINAL. YEAH. THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE I OPEN UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT? I WOULD LIKE THE APPLICANT TO SPEAK IF THEY WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS PROJECT. THE APPLICANTS ARE JOINING VIRTUALLY MATT OR TOM, IF YOU'D LIKE TO ADJUST THE COMMISSION, PLEASE USE THE RAISE HAND FUNCTION. OKAY. TOM, YOU HAVE BEEN UNMUTED. PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF ON YOUR END. THANK YOU. CAN EVERYONE HEAR ME? YES. OKAY, TERRIFIC. UH, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU TO THE, UH, CULTURAL HERITAGE COMMISSIONERS AND THEN, UH, REFUGIO FOR ALL YOUR WORK ON THIS, UH, PROJECT THUS FAR. MY WIFE AND I PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY IN JUNE OF 23 AND THEN SPENT THE REST OF 23 ON, UM, TOTALLY, UH, REMODELING THE EXISTING HOME THERE. IT WAS IN QUITE A BIT OF DISREPAIR, SO ALL NEW PLUMBING, MECHANICAL, ELECTRICAL, WE TOOK THE HOME BACK TO THE STUDS AND, AND, UH, BUT KEPT ALL THE, UH, CULTURAL AND HISTORIC FEATURES ON THE OUTSIDE. OF COURSE, WE SUBMITTED FOR PERMITS AND WENT THROUGH THIS SAME PROCESS, UH, BACK THEN IN 2023 TO GET APPROVAL. MY WIFE AND I, SUSAN ARE, UH, ARE BOTH ENTHUSIASTS WITH THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS. OUR PRIMARY RESIDENCE IS IN TUCSON, BUT WE HAVE, UM, THREE PROPERTIES IN ARIZONA THAT WE'VE DONE SIMILAR THINGS TO MOSTLY, MUCH LARGER PROJECTS WITH, UH, HISTORIC BUILDINGS. SO WE, WE VERY MUCH RESPECT THE PROCESS AND, AND ENJOY THE PROCESS OF, YOU KNOW, KEEPING ALL THE ARCHITECTURAL COMPONENTS IN LINE WITH THE, THE EXISTING BLUFF HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK, YOU KNOW, IF ANYONE HAD SEEN THE HOME BEFORE WE REMODELED IT, YOU'D AGREE THAT WE'VE ADDED ADDED VALUE TO THE, TO THE AREA AND THE FLOOD HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT. UM, SO WE'RE EXCITED TO GET GOING ON THIS PROJECT, UM, AS SOON AS WE SECURE APPROVAL AND WE'LL, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS AND, AND WORK THROUGH THAT PROCESS WITH THE THE CITY. UM, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF ME AT THIS POINT, OR MY SON? MATT? UM, I SHOULD ADD THAT MATTHEW FIRTH HAS DONE A LOT OF PROJECTS IN LONG BEACH. HE'S WAS A RESIDENT IN THAT AREA FOR, UH, SINCE 2010 AND HAS DONE A LOT OF CONVERSIONS IN, IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN AND AROUND LONG BEACH. AND, UM, SO HE'S FAMILIAR WITH THE PROJECT AS WELL. AND IT'S THE SAME GENERAL CONTRACTOR THAT WORKED WITH US ON, UH, THE REMODELING OF THE EXISTING HOME THAT WE'LL BE WORKING WITH ON THIS PROJECT AS WELL WITH MATTHEW'S OVERSIGHT LIVING OVER THERE IN THE, UM, LA COUNTY AREA. UH, COMMISSIONER PIZZA, I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. UM, WHERE THE, THE ADDITION OF THE BATHROOM, I WAS JUST ASKING EARLIER THE JOG AT THE GARAGE, AND I'M ASSUMING THAT'S TO DIFFERENTIATE THE OLD AND THE NEW, BUT WHAT ABOUT WHERE IT MEETS THE EXISTING STRUCTURE? IS ANYTHING BEING DONE FOR THAT TRANSITION AT THE CORNER OF THE, UM, EXISTING, [00:30:01] UH, HOME? IS THAT A QUESTION OF, OF ME OR REFUGIO? YES, IT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR YOU, . OKAY, THANK YOU. SORRY. UM, WE WILL HAVE TO UPGRADE THE ELECTRICAL AT THAT, AT THAT AREA WHERE THE, UM, BATHROOM MEETS THE EXISTING HOME. SO THAT'LL HAVE TO BE MOVED. 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW THE ELECTRICAL SERVICE COMES IN THERE. WE WILL NEED TO, UH, POSSIBLY UPGRADE THE, THE WATER LINE FROM THE, THE, UH, MARQUITA STREET LOCATION THAT'S THERE NOW. 'CAUSE WE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOTTA GET WATER BACK TO THAT, UM, TO THAT UNIT AND TO THE NEW ADUS. BUT THE OUTSIDE OF THAT, WELL, WHICH IS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET, WILL HAVE THE SAME WOOD SIDING THAT, THAT THE, UH, RENOVATED GARAGE WILL HAVE. SO IT'LL MATCH IN, I DON'T KNOW IF FUJI, IF THERE'S A ARCHITECTURAL RENDERING THAT, UM, ON THAT ONE SIDE OR, WELL ACTUALLY THE TWO SIDES, BUT IT ALL, IT WILL ALL MATCH IN WITH THE EXISTING AND UH, REMODELED GARAGE STRUCTURE. OKAY. THANK YOU. MAYBE STAFF COULD ALSO ADDRESS THIS QUESTION. 'CAUSE ON THE ELEVATIONS I DON'T SEE A VERTICAL DELINEATION AT THAT EXISTING STRUCTURE. SURE. I, I'LL GO AHEAD AND CHIME IN. THIS IS ALEJANDRO AT THE CITY DESK AGAIN. UM, I THINK THE WAY STAFF, UH, REVIEWED THIS ONE IS, IS THAT, UH, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SHAPE OF THE ADDITION, UH, THE ROOF LINE TO THE ADDITION, UH, IT'S ALL VERY DIFFERENT, UH, IN, IN OUR VIEW. UH, SO WHEREAS THE, UH, EXISTING ROOF LINE OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE HAS A SIX AND 12 ROOF PITCH, UH, THIS ONE ALMOST HAS THE OPPOSITE. IT'S ALMOST, UH, A MUCH LOWER ONE. UH, SO WE FELT COMFORTABLE SAYING IT'S A VERY OBVIOUS ADDITION. UM, THERE'S REALLY NOT A WHOLE LOT MORE WE NEED TO DO TO IT, UH, JUST BECAUSE IT'S DISTINGUISHED JUST BY THE SHAPE AND FORM. THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPLANATION, I APPRECIATE IT. OH, I HAVE, I DO HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. UM, ON THE FRONT DOOR, I NOTICED WHAT LOOKED LIKE AN ALUMINUM SCREEN IS IS TO THE APPLICANT. IS THAT, IS THAT CURRENTLY THERE STILL ON THE FRONT DOOR OF THE EXISTING HOUSE? CORRECT. SO NO, THAT ALUMINUM SCREEN HAS BEEN REPLACED. UM, WE PAINSTAKINGLY KEPT THE FRONT DOOR, UH, WE HAD IT REFINISHED AND THEN I, THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL DOOR THERE AND, UM, WITH THE THREE GLASS WINDOWS IN IT. AND THEN I ALSO HAD THE HARDWARE, UM, TAKEN APART AND WE TOOK IT DOWN TO A, A SPECIALIST WHO TOTALLY REFINISHED IT, RECODED IT, AND RESTORED IT BACK TO A, ITS ORIGINAL CONDITION. AND THEN THE SCREEN DOOR THAT WAS THERE WAS JUST A, NOT A VERY ATTRACTIVE ALUMINUM SCREEN DOOR. SO WE REPLACED THAT WITH A, A WOOD DOOR, WOOD SCREEN DOOR. THAT'S GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. YOU'RE WELCOME. COMMISSIONERS. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT IF THERE ARE NONE. THANK YOU TOM AND MATTHEW FOR AN EXCELLENT PROJECT. NOW I'D LIKE TO OPEN THIS UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT. ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THIS PROJECT, PLEASE LINE UP IN FRONT OF THE PODIUM. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. HI, MY NAME IS STEVEN SUTTON. I'M THE PRESIDENT OF BLUFF HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND I HAVE SOME HANDOUTS FOR YOU. IT'S JUST THE LETTER THAT, UH, I'M GONNA READ ON BEHALF OF THE PRESERVATION, UH, SUBGROUP THAT WE HAVE AS A PART OF OUR BOARD OF DIRECTORS. UM, PUBLIC NOTICE HAS BEEN RECEIVED REGARDING THE SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS PROPOSED AT THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 3 0 2 1 EAST MARQUITA IN THE HEART OF BLUFF HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND WE WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT BLUFF HEIGHTS CONSIDERS THIS UNIQUE 1918 SINGLE FAMILY CRAFTSMAN, ONE OF OUR MANY TREASURES IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. SO, [00:35:01] UH, TO HELP DIFFERENTIATE AND ADD VALUE TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THANK YOU TO THE HOMEOWNER FOR HIS SPECIAL ATTENTION TO THAT. BASED ON OUR UNDERSTANDING, THERE'S NO MODIFICATION TO THE EXISTING HOME THAT WOULD BE MADE, SO WE'RE THANKFUL FOR THAT. BUT BLUFF HEIST WOULD LIKE YOU TO OFFER CONSIDERATIONS, UH, FOR THE COMMISSION TO OFFER CONSIDERATIONS. AND ONE IS, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD PARKING CONCERNS SEEM TO BE MINIMIZED DUE TO THE ADDITION OF THE FOUR FOUR CAR GARAGE. SO, UM, THE NEW BUILD OFFERS LITTLE ARCHITECTURAL ENHANCEMENT, BUT IT DOES NOT DETRACT FROM THE HISTORIC, HISTORIC HOME THAT WAS CARED FOR IN THE FRONT. UM, THE PRESERVATION CONSIDERATIONS THAT YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD TONIGHT ARE ALSO, UM, APPRECIATED. THE GARAGE RETENTION OF THE GARAGE DOOR FROM THE FACADE, ET CETERA. UM, WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU CONSIDER PERHAPS UPDATING THIS COLOR PALETTE TO YOUR HOME. UH, THERE'S INCONSISTENCIES IN THOSE TWO STRUCTURES IT SEEMS AS IT EXISTS TODAY. AND WE SHOWED A PICTURE OF A BEST IN CLASS EXAMPLE, WHICH IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR AT 3 0 0 9 MARQUITA JUST TO THE WEST OF THIS PROPERTY. UM, AND WE THINK THAT WOULD REALLY ENHANCE YOUR PROJECT AND FRESH PAINT JOB BLUFF HEIGHTS. THAT'S ALL THAT WE HAVE TO OFFER. THANK YOU. I DON'T KNOW IF I EXTENDED MY TIME OR NOT. THANK YOU, MR. SUTTON. YEAH. HELLO, MY NAME IS RICK SHANK. I, UH, AM A RESIDENT LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND UH, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS MY OPPOSITION TO THE PROJECT. UH, I KNOW IT'S, UH, PROBABLY NOT GOING TO AMOUNT TO MUCH, BUT, UH, THE, THE IDEA THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE FOUR UNITS ON THIS LOT, UM, IT GOES AGAINST THE ZONING, THE R TWO A ZONING AND I KNOW THE A DU IS LIKE ALL THE RAGE AND THAT GETS FAST TRACKED AND APPROVED. UM, BUT THIS, THIS IDEA THAT THERE'S, UH, GONNA BE A DENSE POPULATION THERE ON THAT LOT IS CONCERNING. PLUS THE PARKING IS GOING TO BE AN ISSUE. AND I KNOW, UH, THERE'S GONNA BE FOUR CAR GARAGE ADDED TO THIS PROJECT, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURES, THERE WAS PARKING SPACES IN THE BACK WHICH ARE MORE, UM, SPECIFIC FOR CARS TO PARK. AND I CAN TELL YOU IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, I WOULD SAY 95% OF THE GARAGES ARE NOT USED FOR PARKING CARS IN. AND I WOULD BET THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE THE CASE FOR THESE GARAGES THAT YES, SURE THERE'S FOUR CAR GARAGES, BUT THERE WILL NOT BE FOUR CARS IN THOSE GARAGES. UM, SO I, I'M REALLY OPPOSED TO THE, THE PROJECT. UM, I APPRECIATE THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S CONCERN FOR THE HISTORIC LOOK OF THE BUILDING AND UH, THE STREET APPEAL OF THE, UH, HIDING THINGS BEHIND THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. BUT, UH, IT'S JUST A LOT OF, UH, A LOT OF RESIDENTS IN A, A PLACE THAT IS ZONED REALLY JUST FOR TWO. AND I GUESS THE A DU UH, EXCEPTION OVERRULES THAT. BUT, UM, IT'S, IT'S A HISTORIC DISTRICT AND I BELIEVE YOU'RE DESTROYING THE CHARACTER OF THAT BY ALLOWING THINGS LIKE THIS TO GO THROUGH. ANYWAY, MY 2 CENTS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT IS HERE TONIGHT THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE PROJECT? IF THERE ARE NONE, VIRTUALLY THE ONLY VIRTUAL ATTENDEES WE HAVE ARE THE TWO APPLICANTS. IF THERE ARE NONE, WE WOULD LIKE TO BRING THIS BACK TO THE RAIL AND ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE PROJECT. HI, COMMISSIONER BODAK HERE. JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE EXISTING GARAGE THAT'S GONNA REMAIN THE ROOF. THE PROFILE OF THE ROOF IS GONNA REMAIN THE SAME AND WE'RE JUST MOVING THAT, UH, WALL THAT IS ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY LINE. IS THAT WHAT IS HAPPENING TO IT? UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTION. YES, THE SAME ROOF PITCH WILL BE MAINTAINED. THAT'S WHAT IT HAS NOW, UH, EXCEPT FOR THE NEW SETBACK THAT WILL BE CREATED THROUGH THE DEMOLITION PARTIAL DEMOLITION ON THE SIDE. THE DEMOLITION, [00:40:01] DOES THE PARTIAL DEMOLITION INCLUDE THE ROOF OVERHANG OR JUST THE WALL OF THE GARAGE? IT INCLUDES THE ROOF OVERHANG. UH, CURRENTLY IN THE CURRENT SETBACK, UH, ON THE PLANS SHOW AS ONE FOOT, ONE INCH. UM, SO YEAH, IT WOULD, IT WOULD ALSO INCLUDE THE ROOF. OKAY. 'CAUSE THERE'S A NOTE THAT SAYS EXISTING TWO FOOT 10 AND A HALF TO THE EVE AS IF IT'S EXISTING FROM THE PROPERTY LINE ON, UH, AND AND IT MIGHT JUST BE THE DRAWING, BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M BASING MY QUESTION ON A 1.02 THERE'S A NOTATION THAT SAYS IT'S EXISTING PLUS OR MINUS TWO FEET, 10 AND A HALF INCHES TO THE EAVE BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINE AND THE EAVE. YEAH. A CLOSER LOOK. UM, YES, IT SEEMS LIKE THE SAME, UH, THE CURRENT EAVE SETBACK WILL REMAIN THE SAME. SO THE ONLY THING THAT WILL BE DEMOLISHED IS THE WALL, UH, NOT THE ROOF. THE MALL, THE WALL WOULD MOVE IN, CORRECT? YES. OKAY. ALRIGHT. AND THE BACK AND THE DOOR TO THIS UNIT, I'M ASSUMING THIS IS MEANT TO BE A RENTABLE UNIT, IS THAT CORRECT? YES. AND THE DOOR IS TO THE BACK. AND HOW WOULD SOMEONE ACCESS THAT? IS IT EXPECTED THAT THEY WOULD WALK UP THE RIVE DRIVEWAY AROUND OR, UH, 'CAUSE I DON'T SEE A SITE PLAN HOW SOMEONE WOULD ACCESS THIS UNIT, THE DOOR TO THE UNIT. UH, THIS IS ALEJANDRO. UM, YEAH, I THINK THIS IS ONE, UH, WHERE WE CAN ASK THE APPLICANTS, UH, WHAT THEY HAD ENVISIONED HERE FOR, UH, THE SITE LAYOUT AND ACCESS. OKAY. I THINK THIS POINTS TO COMMISSIONER PESO'S EARLIER COMMENTS ABOUT THE RIBBON DRIVEWAY, WHICH IS NOW NOT CENTERED ON THE DOOR, WHICH IS UNDERSTANDABLE. UM, BUT MAKING A PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION SOMEHOW AROUND, YOU KNOW, CONNECTING THE RIBBON DRIVEWAY AROUND THE, ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE TO THE BACK OR DO THEY COME FROM THE ALLEY? UM, THAT'S A LITTLE UNCLEAR TO ME AND UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME SORT OF DESIGNATION OF, OF OFFICIAL, UH, PEDESTRIAN PATHWAY TO THAT DOOR. YES, THIS IS TOM FIRTH. UH, THAT, THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION. THERE IS A DOOR, UM, YOU CAN SEE ON THE PLAN THAT ENTERS FROM WHERE THE EXISTING PARKING IS IN THE ALLEY SO THAT THAT TENANT WILL HAVE A PARKING SPACE IN THE ALLEY AND HAVE ACCESS, YOU KNOW, THERE'LL BE AN OUTDOOR PATIO THERE AS WELL FOR THAT TENANT. BUT WITH MOVING THE WALL BACK, UH, TO MEET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, WE'RE SHOWING A GATE THERE. SO YOU KNOW, IF THAT PERSON IS JUST WALKING AND THEY WANT TO COME IN FROM THE RIBBON DRIVEWAY, THEY'D HAVE A GATE THERE THAT COULD ACCESS AS WELL. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. IT DOES HELP. UM, SO THERE'S A SURFACE PARKING LOT, A SURFACE PARKING SPACE SOMEWHERE FOR THIS JADU AND THAT THEY WOULD BE WALKING FROM THE ALLEY TO THE JADU, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT. AND STAFF, IS THAT SURFACE PARKING SPACE? I, I'M ASSUMING IT MAY NOT BE REQUIRED. UM, BUT IS THAT SHOWN? UH, SO THE SURFACE PARKING SPACE IS NOT REQUIRED, BUT IT'S ALSO NOT SHOWN ON THE PLANS. SO I'M NOT SURE WHERE IT WOULD GO. IT'S, IT'S A GARAGE. YEAH. THE, THERE'S FOUR PARKING SPACES UNDERNEATH THE TWO ADUS. IT'S THE GARAGE. IT'S ONE OF THE GARAGE SPACES, CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY, THANK YOU. SO SOMEONE PARKS IN THEIR GARAGE SPACE HOPEFULLY, UM, AND THEN WALKS AROUND THE GARAGE THROUGH A FENCE OR A FENCE. SO ONE OF THOSE TWO FENCES IS ACTUALLY A GATE? YEAH, THERE'S A GATE AT THE OFF THE RIBBON DRIVEWAY AND THERE'LL BE A GATE OFF THE ALLEY AS WELL. OKAY. I SEE THE ONE AT THE RIBBON DRIVEWAY. UM, AND THEN THERE'S SUPPO, THERE'S ONE SOMEWHERE NEXT [00:45:01] TO THE GARAGE. SO I THINK THAT'LL JUST BE A CORRECTION THAT HAS TO BE MADE ON THE SITE PLANS. RIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BODAK. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER EZ? I DO HAVE A QUESTION. IS THERE A REQUIREMENT FOR LIKE A SIDE ACCESS STORE FROM THE GARAGES TO THE, TO THE BACKYARD? 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT ACCESS STAIR UP TO THE A DU UNITS, I BELIEVE IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THOSE GARAGES. ARE THERE ACCESS DOORS? I DON'T HAVE THE PLAN IN FRONT OF ME. SO ARE THERE LIKE HINGE DOORS THAT THEY CAN EXIT OUT OF THE GARAGE DIRECTLY TO THAT STAIR? WELL, WE'RE GONNA GET THE SECOND PART OF YOUR QUESTION, BUT TO ANSWER THE FIRST PART, THERE'S NO CODE REQUIREMENT IN THE ZONING CODE. OKAY. OR THE BUILDING CODE THAT WOULD REQUIRE THAT THERE IS A, UM, LATERAL DOOR, UM, FROM THE GARAGE. UM, BUT AGAIN, NOT REQUIRED. IT'S ON, I DON'T KNOW, YOU SEE IT BEST ON A 1.01 AT THE BOTTOM LEFT OF THAT PAGE. I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. IS IT PERMISSIBLE FOR ME TO ASK CLARIFICATION FROM, UH, MR. SUTTON ABOUT HIS, ONE OF HIS COMMENTS OR ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IS THAT PERMISSIBLE? SO IT'S WHAT WE USUALLY USE THAT TIME FOR IS FOR YOU TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU'RE HEARING OR COMMENTS OR CONCERNS YOU'RE HEARING FROM THE PUBLIC AND THEN GIVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THEM TO STAFF IN ORDER TO GET A COMMUNICATION OR SOME GREATER UNDERSTANDING AROUND THE ISSUE THAT WAS FLAGGED IN PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY. SO I'M GONNA ADDRESS STAFF ABOUT A QUESTION I HAVE ABOUT ONE OF THESE COMMENTS. PERFECT. UM, THIS IS BULLET POINT NUMBER FOUR IN CONSIDERATION OF THE COLOR PALETTE. I AM, I THINK I JUST NEED CLARIFICATION AS TO WHETHER THAT'S ADDRESSING SPECIFICALLY THE A DU AND A DESIRE TO MATCH THE MAIN DWELLING OR IF IT'S IN CONSIDERATION OF CHANGING THE MAIN DWELLING TO MATCH THE PALLET BEING PROPOSED FOR THE A DU. I THINK THAT'S THE CONFUSION I HAVE. UH, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. UM, NOT ENTIRELY SURE WHAT THE UH, UH, THE GENTLEMAN MEANT BY THAT, BUT WE DO HAVE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, UM, ON THE CONDITIONS SO THAT WE CAN WORK WITH THE APPLICANT DURING THE PLA PROCESS AND TAKE A LOOK AT THEIR COLOR PALETTE AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING'S CONSISTENT AND, UH, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES. OKAY. AND IS IT TYPICALLY DESIRABLE THAT THERE WOULD BE, THEY WOULD BE THE SAME COLOR TO HAVE MORE COHESION? UM, SO I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE ASSOCIATION, BUT WHEN STAFF REVIEWS IT, IT'S NOT ACTUALLY A PREFERENCE FOR THEM TO BE THE SAME COLOR. WE'RE TRYING TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN THEM. OKAY. AND IN FACT, HAVING MULTIPLE DWELLINGS ON THE LOT ISN'T NEW TO LONG BEACH'S HISTORY. RIGHT. AND HISTORICALLY THEY WOULD'VE BEEN IN MULTIPLE COLORS OR EVEN IN MULTIPLE KIND OF STYLES DEPENDING ON IF THEY WERE CONSTRUCTED IN DIFFERENT YEARS OR, OR KIND OF DIFFERENT POINTS IN THE LIFE OF THE LOT. UM, SO IT'S NOT USUALLY OUR RECOMMENDATION FOR THEM TO PERFECTLY MATCH THAT KIND OF GIVES A, UM, INCORRECT VIEW OF KIND OF HOW THE, THE LOT EVOLVED. UM, WE DO REVIEW COLORS, BUT I WILL SAY WE REVIEW COLORS WITH A GREAT DIFFERENCE TO, UM, THE OWNERSHIP. THAT'S A HIGHLY PERSONAL THING. MM-HMM . WHAT COLOR YOU WANNA, UM, PAINT YOUR HOME AND WE LOOK AT A GENERAL PALETTE THAT'S ACCEPTABLE AND WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE DOING AT THE STAFF LEVEL IS MORE BASIC OR IS THERE MULTIPLE COLORS WHICH YOU WOULD ASSOCIATE WITH ARCHITECTURE OR IS THERE AN APPROPRIATE LEVEL OF CONTRAST? ARE WE NOT USING COLORS THAT'D BE TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, BRIGHT COLORS THAT DIDN'T EXIST? UM, BUT WE TRY NOT TO GET INTO, IT SHOULD BE THIS SHADE OF BEIGE VERSUS THAT SHADE OF BEIGE OR BLUE VERSUS GREEN BECAUSE IT IS SOMEONE'S HOME AND, AND WE TRY TO PROVIDE A CERTAIN SPACE AND RESPECT FOR COLORS A VERY PERSONAL CHOICE. AND THEN IT IS IN THE WORLD OF HISTORIC, WHAT WE CALL REVERSIBLE. SO, UM, IT, IT CAN AND DOES CHANGE OVER TIME. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. UH, COMMISSIONER PIZZA, UM, I, I JUST WANNA BRING SOMETHING UP AND I WANT TO KNOW IF THIS WAS DISCUSSED BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THE TRAJECTORY HERE WAS TO DO THIS [00:50:01] ADDITION THAT ATTACHES THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE TO THE GARAGE WHEN IN THE, UM, BLUFF HEIGHTS HISTORIC GUIDELINES, IT SAYS DETACHED GARAGES SHOULD BE, UM, SHOULD NOT BE ATTACHED TO A PRIMARY BUILDING. AND IT ALSO SAYS GARAGE EXPANSION SHOULD BE CONSIDERED FIRST TO THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY WHILE THIS IS ON THE FRONT OF THE GARAGE. SO I'M, I'M JUST CURIOUS HOW WE GOT TO THIS POINT. 'CAUSE WE ARE ATTACHING THIS WHAT I CALL A HYPHEN, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY A HYPHEN 'CAUSE YOU CAN'T WALK THROUGH IT FROM THE PRI PRIMARY STRUCTURE TO THE OTHER STRUCTURE. SO I THINK VISUALLY IT, IT SUCCEEDS IN BEING A HYPHEN I GUESS BECAUSE IT'S A DIFFERENT ROOF LINE. BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS WHERE WE, WHERE WE GOT OR HOW WE GOT HERE BECAUSE IT'S PRETTY CLEAR IN THE GUIDELINES THAT A DETACHED GARAGE SHOULD STAY AS A DETACHED GARAGE. YEAH. THANKS FOR, THANKS FOR THE QUESTION. SO I'LL PROVIDE SOME FRAMING AND IF, UM, THE STAFF HAVE MORE DETAILS, UM, BASED ON THAT THEY CAN SHARE. SO THE GUIDELINES DO SAY THAT YOU SHOULD, YOU KNOW, UM, KEEP, UH, KEEP THAT SEPARATION, UM, WHEN FEASIBLE. UM, BUT THE CHALLENGE HERE IS WHEN YOU'RE GOING FROM, YOU KNOW, ONE UNIT TO FOUR, YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE YOU'VE GOT THE USABLE OPEN SPACE, YOU'VE GOT ALL OF THE REQUIRED STANDARDS WHILE MINIMIZING, UM, POTENTIAL CHANGES TO THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE. SO THAT'S THE BALANCE WE'VE BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH FOR MANY MONTHS WITH THE APPLICANT ON, IN TERMS OF, UM, ANALYZING ALTERNATIVES AND LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN BEST WORK ON THE SITE. UM, THERE WAS, UM, A, A LOOK AT ADDING AN ADDITIONAL SECOND UNIT, UM, FOR WEST ON THE SITE. HOWEVER, THAT PUT, UM, ENDANGER THE POTENTIAL OF TAKING DOWN MORE OF THE, UM, HISTORIC COMPONENTS SUCH AS, UH, WINDOWS. UM, ON THE REAR PORTION IT WOULD'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY SLIGHTLY LESS VISIBILITY, BUT IT HAD MORE CHANGE TO THE, THE, UM, RELATIONSHIP, THE SPATIAL RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT PIECES OF THE STRUCTURE. SO TRYING TO, TO MAXIMIZE THAT USABLE OPEN SPACE THAT YOU'RE GONNA GET IN THE REAR WHILE ALSO MINIMIZING THE CHANGES, UM, TO THOSE RELATIONSHIPS, PARTICULARLY FROM THE STREET. WE THOUGHT THIS WAS, UM, AN ACCEPTABLE SORT OF COMPROMISE OF HOW TO DO THAT WITHIN THE CONSTRAINTS OF THE SITE WHILE STILL ALLOWING FOR THOSE ADUS IN THE REAR THAT WE DO HAVE TO ALLOW, UM, BY RIGHT. UM, AT STATE, AT UH, PER STATE LAW. SO IT HAS BEEN A BACK AND FORTH AND WE DID LOOK AT ALTERNATIVES AND, AND THIS DOES, LIKE YOU SAID, CREATE THAT SORT OF DASHED ATTACHMENT, BUT UM, IT SEEMED TO US AT THE STAFF ANALYSIS THE BEST ALTERNATIVE OPTION FOR THAT. THANKS. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER PISO, ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR STAFF? IF THERE ARE NONE MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL FOR VOTE. WELL ACTUALLY I DID WANT TO, UH, SEE IF, CAN, CAN WE JUST CLARIFY IN THE CONDITION? UH, UH, THIS WOULD HAVE TO BE WITH UM, COMMISSIONER PRYOR 'CAUSE I THINK SHE'S THE SECOND, BUT CAN WE CLARIFY THAT THE, UM, THE BARN DOOR IS IN FACT, I, I GUESS IT WAS SET ON THAT DRAWING, SO THAT'S PROBABLY FINE. BUT CAN WE DO THE DELINEATION LINE BETWEEN THE, THE TWO STRUCTURES OR YOU FELT THAT THE, THE, I GOING BACK, I REMEMBER YOU SAID THAT THERE'S THE THAT'S THE ROOF LINE. YEAH, NOW I GOT IT. I REMEMBER NOW NEVERMIND , IT'S JUST NOT ILLUSTRATED CORRECTLY. AND THE BARN DOOR WE GOT, BUT WE CAN MAKE IT MORE CLEAR IN THE, UM, FINAL EXECUTED CONDITION. PERFECT. THE FIRST NO CONFUSION. THANK YOU DIRECTOR KUNZ. THANK YOU. NOW MY PHONE GO OFF THE DOOR TO NOWHERE WILL EXIST. IF THERE ARE NO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR STAFF MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL FOR THE VOTE. COMMISSIONER HUNTER, I CAN TAKE A VERBAL. YES. MOTION IS CARRIED. THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT. [PUBLIC COMMENT Opportunity to address the Cultural Heritage Commission on non-agenda items. Each speaker is limited to three minutes to make their comments unless extended by the Chair.] AT THIS TIME WE'LL TAKE NON AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENTS. IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS NON AGENDA ITEMS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? VIRTUALLY THEIA ATTENDEES WE HAVE JOINING VIRTUALLY ARE THE TWO APPLICANTS. THAT CONCLUDES NON AGENDA, PUBLIC COMMENT. IF THERE ARE NONE, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ANNOUNCEMENTS. [ANNOUNCEMENTS] ARE THERE ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? [ADJOURNMENT] IF THERE ARE NONE, IF THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS, I DECLARE THIS MEETING [00:55:01] ADJOURNED. GOODNIGHT. OKAY. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.