* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. WHISPERING UP HERE, [00:00:01] LIKE TO EACH OTHER. SO DON'T DO THAT. OKAY. SHOULD I LIKE WINK INTO THE ABY? LIKE, WE'LL WATCH. OKAY. OKAY. IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE A REAL TEST'S, MY SKILLSET. TRY TO STAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. THE LAST TWO SEASONS, BECAUSE THAT IS NO, I KNOW. I LIKE, HE WAS LIKE, SHOULD I, NO, THIS IS NOT A PERFORMANCE. ANYBODY. I WOULD SEE JONATHAN, HE GOT TOO EXCITED. I THE SECOND, ARE WE READY ACROSS THE BOARD? CITY CLERK? YEAH. THUMBS UP. WE WERE WAITING FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY. OKAY. LET ME JUST GIVE HER A FEW MORE MINUTES. OKAY. THANK YOU. SHE SAID YEAH. OKAY. WE CAN GO AHEAD AND CALL THE MEETING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. I'D LIKE TO, UH, CALL THE TRANSACTION AND USE TAX CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE. MEETING TO ORDER FOR MARCH 26TH, 2025. KARL LARK, CAN YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLE MEMBER HOWER? PRESENT. MEMBER OCHOA. PRESENT [CALL TO ORDER] VICE CHAIR AMY. PRESENT CHAIR CRUZ. AND PRESENT. WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU. [ROLL CALL] AND CLERK, LET'S GO AHEAD AND PLEASE READ THE FIRST ITEM. ITEM ONE IS A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR THE TRANSACTIONS AND USE TAX CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING OF WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 30TH, 2024. [1. 25-55342 Recommendation to approve the minutes for the Transactions and Use Tax Citizens’ Advisory Committee meeting of Wednesday, October 30, 2024.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] THAT WAS A SPAM CALL, SO APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. OKAY. WE NEED A FIRST AND A SECOND. OKAY. CAN I GET A MOTION ON THIS ITEM? OKAY. I SEE THAT IT HAS BEEN MOVED BY EMMY AND SECONDED BY OCHOA, UH, STAFF. IS THERE A REPORT OR PRESENTATION FOR THIS ITEM? NO, THERE IS NOT. AND CLERK, CAN YOU PLEASE CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS ITEM? IF ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM NOW. NO PUBLIC COMMENT. CHAIR MEMBERS. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MINUTES? ALL RIGHT. UM, CLERK, LET'S GO AHEAD AND CALL FOR THE VOTE. [00:05:06] MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. AND LET'S GO AHEAD AND PLEASE THE RE PLEASE READ THE NEXT ITEM. ITEM TWO. ITEM TWO IS A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR THE TRANSACTIONS AND USE TAX CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING OF WEDNESDAY, MARCH 26TH, 2025. AND CAN I GET A MOTION ON THIS ITEM? [2. 25-55343 Recommendation to approve the minutes for the Transactions and Use Tax Citizens’ Advisory Committee meeting of Wednesday, March 26, 2025.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] IT HAS BEEN MOVED BY MEMBER EMMY AND SECONDED BY MEMBER OCHOA STAFF. IS THERE A REPORT OR PRESENTATION FOR THIS ITEM? NO, THERE IS NOT. OKAY. BEING NONE. CLERK, PLEASE CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS ITEM. IF ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM NOW. NO PUBLIC COMMENT. CHAIR BEING NONE MEMBERS, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? HEARING NONE. CLERK, PLEASE CALL FOR VOTE. OH, I GOTTA VOTE. THERE YOU GO. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. AND NOW ON TO BUSINESS. UH, CAN YOU PLEASE READ THE NEXT ITEM? ITEM THREE IS A RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE A PRESENTATION FROM THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT REGARDING AN OVERVIEW OF THE PUBLIC WORKS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, INCLUDING PROJECT [3. 25-55344 Recommendation to receive and file a presentation from the Public Works Department regarding an Overview of the Public Works Capital Improvement Program, including project prioritization and measures of success, and an update of Measure A infrastructure projects.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] PRIOR PRIORITIZATION AND MEASURES OF SUCCESS, AND AN UPDATE OF MEASURE A INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS. OKAY. UH, THEN, UH, LEMME SEE. I CAN I GET A MOTION ON THIS ITEM? IT HAS BEEN MOVED BY HOWARD AND SECONDED BY EMMY, UH, STAFF. IS THERE A REPORT OR PRESENTATION FOR THIS ITEM? YES, THERE IS. JONATHAN BOLAND FROM THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT WILL BE PROVIDING THE STAFF PRESENTATION. GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR CRUZ AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS. MY NAME IS JONATHAN BOLEN, BUSINESS OPERATIONS BUREAU MANAGER FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS. TODAY, WE'LL REVIEW THE INVESTMENT MEASURE A HAS MADE IN OUR CITY'S INFRASTRUCTURE SINCE BEING PASSED IN 2016. FIRST, I WILL REVIEW OUR PRESENTATION THAT WAS POSTPONED DUE TO TIME CONSTRAINTS EARLIER THIS MARCH. THEN WE'LL REVIEW RECENTLY COMPLETED PROJECTS SINCE THE LAST TIME PUBLIC WORKS GAVE AN INFRASTRUCTURE UPDATE BACK IN OCTOBER, 2024. WE'LL ALSO REVIEW PROJECTS THAT ARE ANTICIPATED TO BE COMPLETED BY THE END OF SUMMER 2025. GOING OVER A BRIEF AGENDA OF THE PRESENTATION TODAY, FIRST WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT INFRASTRUCTURE CONDITION INDICES IN OUR UNFUNDED LIABILITIES. THEN WE'RE GONNA MOVE INTO A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF HOW THE CIP IS DEVELOPED AND THEN INTO OUR TRADITIONAL QUARTERLY MEASURE A INFRASTRUCTURE UPDATE. SO ALTHOUGH THE ANNUAL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM BUDGET PROVIDES INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, ADDITIONAL HIGH PRIORITY NEEDS REMAIN UNFUNDED EACH YEAR. IDENTIFICATION OF UNFUNDED NEEDS OR UNIDENTIFIED FUNDING PROVIDES A METHOD FOR COMMUNICATING RESOURCE REQUIREMENTS OF PROJECTS THAT ARE NOT FULLY FUNDED AND FOR WHICH A FUND SOURCE HAS NOT YET BEEN IDENTIFIED. PROJECTS IDENTIFIED WHERE NO CURRENT FUNDING EXISTS ARE CATEGORIZED AS UNFUNDED. TO DATE, THE CITY HAS COMPLETED ASSESSMENTS OF ITS STREETS, ALLEYS, SIDEWALKS, PUMP STATIONS, AND CITY OWNED FACILITIES. THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS LISTED ARE ESTIMATES AND SUBJECT TO CHANGE. ON THE NEXT SLIDE, UNFUNDED PROJECTS ARE TRACKED FOR CONSIDERATION IN FUNDING IN FUTURE FUNDING CYCLES, AND IN SOME CASES THESE ARE STILL HIGH PRIORITY PROJECTS, BUT THEY MAY NEED TO BE DEFERRED FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS, SUCH AS EXPLORING OPPORTUNITIES TO LEVERAGE CITY FUNDS WITH EXISTING, OR SORRY, EXTERNAL FUNDING, OR TO ACKNOWLEDGE WORKLOAD CONSIDERATIONS WHERE EXISTING STAFFING CAPACITY IS FULLY COMMITTED TO OTHER URGENT PROJECTS. THE CITY'S UNFUNDED INFRASTRUCTURE LIABILITIES INCLUDE ARTERIAL AND RESIDENTIAL STREETS. THE CURRENT UNFUNDED LIABILITY TOTALS $1.4 BILLION OR $280 MILLION OF ANNUAL INVESTMENT OVER FIVE YEARS. THE CITY'S ALLEYS HAVE A FIVE YEAR NEED OF 96 MILLION OR 19.2 MILLION OVER FIVE YEARS. THE CITY'S STORM, WHERE STORM WATER CONVEYANCE SYSTEM HAS AN $840 MILLION NEED OR 168 MILLION OVER FIVE YEARS. THE CITY'S, UH, FACILITIES HAVE A $526 MILLION NEED, OR A $105 MILLION INVESTMENT OVER FIVE YEARS. AND SIDEWALK IN 88 CURB RAMPS, UH, HAVE A $631 MILLION NEED, OR $126 MILLION OVER FIVE YEARS. THAT'S A TOTAL $3.5 BILLION UNFUNDED INFRASTRUCTURE LIABILITY. THIS LIST BELOW IS NOT A COMPLETE LISTING AND IS NOT LISTED IN PRIORITY ORDER. THIS LISTING DOES NOT INCLUDE THE SIGNIFICANT FUNDING NEEDS FOR TRAFFIC SIGNAL IMPROVEMENTS, STREETLIGHTS, AND OTHER CRITICAL CITY INFRASTRUCTURE. UH, THE FIRST AND, UH, SORRY TO GO BACK, WE ARE GONNA GO THROUGH, UM, ALL FIVE OF THESE [00:10:01] CONDITION ASSESSMENTS VERY BRIEFLY FOR THE COMMITTEE. THE FIRST IS THE FACILITY CONDITION ASSESSMENT. THIS COMMITTEE DID RECEIVE, UH, AN IN-DEPTH PRESENTATION ON THESE SLIDES IN THE PAST. SO I AM GONNA GO RATHER QUICKLY THROUGH THE FCA. SO IN 2022, THE CITY COMPLETED THE FACILITY CONDITION ASSESSMENT, WHICH MEASURED THE FACILITY CONDITION INDEX OF EACH CITY FACILITY. UH, THIS PORTFOLIO CONSISTS OF 253 STRUCTURES LOCATED ACROSS THE CITY, UH, WITH, UH, WHAT FOUND A TOTAL $435 MILLION IN NECESSARY EXPENDITURES. HOWEVER, THE UNFUNDED NEED IS ESTIMATED AT $526 MILLION DUE TO COST ESCALATION. AN EXCITING UPDATE IS PUBLIC WORK STAFF ARE WORKING ON AN FCA DASHBOARD, WHICH ONE WILL OUTLINE, UM, ALL OF THE, UH, FCA FINDINGS, UH, FOR ALL FACILITIES THROUGHOUT THE CITY, UH, WHICH WILL ALLOW STAFF TO EASILY ACCESS THAT DATA. BUT MORE EXCITING FROM A BUDGET PLANNING STANDPOINT, IT WILL SHOW, UM, THE RECOMMENDED INVESTMENTS AND NEED OF INVESTMENTS OVER, UH, 40 YEARS, 20 YEARS, 10 YEARS, ET CETERA. TO BRING OUR FCI BACK INTO A POSITIVE, UH, AREA REALLY QUICKLY, QUESTIONS THAT THE FCA HELPS ADDRESS, UM, THE BUDGET CONSTRAINTS, THE BACKLOG OF MAINTENANCE. UM, UH, IT ALSO IS LOOKING AT THE, TO MITIGATE THE RISK OF CATASTROPHIC FAILURE. UM, AND, AND HOW, HOW CAN WE ACHIEVE COST SAVINGS THROUGH ADDITIONAL INVESTMENTS? THE FCA IS PRIORITIZED IN PRIORITY ONE, CURRENTLY CRITICAL PRIORITY TWO, POTENTIALLY CRITICAL AND PRIORITY THREE NECESSARY, BUT NOT YET CRITICAL. THE WORK IS CATEGORIZED IN FOUR DIFFERENT PLAN TYPES, DEFERRED MAINTENANCE, ROUTINE MAINTENANCE, CAPITAL RENEWAL, AND ENERGY AND SUSTAINABILITY IMPROVEMENTS. AND THE FAC, THE FACILITY CONDITION ASSESSMENT GENERATES A FACILITY CONDITION NEED INDEX. AND THIS IS WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, THE FACILITIES IN, IN GOOD, FAIR, POOR, AND VERY POOR CONDITION. THE SUMMARY OF THE FINDINGS IS THE CURRENT CONDITION OF THE, OF THE FACILITIES IS ON THAT PIE CHART ON THE LEFT. UM, WITH 91 FACILITIES IN VERY POOR CONDITION, OR SORRY, FOUR FACILITIES IN VERY POOR CONDITION, 91 IN POOR, 30 IN FAIR, AND 31 IN GOOD CONDITION. THE THE PIE CHART ON THE RIGHT DEMONSTRATES IF NO ADDITIONAL INVESTMENT WAS MADE, THIS WOULD BE THE DEGRADATION WITHIN 10 YEARS GOING INTO OUR PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PLAN AND, UH, PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEXING. SO FIRST, WHAT IS PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT? PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT IS THE PROCESS OF PLANNING, BUDGETING, DESIGNING, EVALUATING, AND REHABILITATING THE CITY'S PAVEMENTS TO PROVIDE MAXIMUM BENEFIT WITH THE AVAILABLE FUNDS. A PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT SYSTEM IS A SET OF TOOLS THAT ASSIST THE DECISION MAKERS IN FINDING OPTIMAL STRATEGIES FOR PROVIDING AND MAINTAINING PAVEMENTS IN A SERVICEABLE CONDITION OVER A GIVEN PERIOD OF TIME. THE INTENT IS TO IDENTIFY THE OPTIMAL LEVEL OF LONG-TERM FUNDING TO SUSTAIN THE CITY'S ROADS, UM, WHILE INCORPORATING LOCAL CONDITIONS AND CONSTRAINTS WHEN PROPERLY DESIGNED AND CONSTRUCTED PAVEMENTS START OUT AT A PCI OR PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX OF A HUNDRED AND DETERIORATE OVER TIME DUE TO VEHICULAR TRAFFIC AND ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS. THE FOLLOWING CHART DESCRIBES THE DIFFERENT PCI RANGES, UM, AND WHAT THAT, WHAT KIND OF TREATMENTS ARE SUITABLE FOR THOSE FINDINGS? UM, SO HERE YOU CAN SEE A PCI RANGE OF 85 TO A HUNDRED IS EXCELLENT. UM, A PCI RANGE OF 70 TO 85 IS VERY GOOD. A PCI RATING OF 60 TO 70 IS GOOD. 40 TO 60 IS MARGINAL TO FAIR, 30 TO 40 POOR AND ZERO TO 30 VERY POOR. UM, DEPENDING ON WHERE THE STREETS ARE, UH, AND THEY'RE PCI, IT DOES DETERMINE WHAT TYPES OF REPAIRS APPROACHES THAT WE, THAT WE TAKE, AND ALSO THE REMAINING LIFE OF THOSE STREETS. UM, YOU CAN SEE IN THAT THIRD COLUMN AS, AS THE PCI OF A STREET GOES DOWN, THE COST TO REPAIR THAT STREET GOES UP CONSIDERABLY. AND WE ARE GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT ON THE NEXT SLIDES HERE. SO TYPICALLY PAVEMENTS START DETERIORATING RAPIDLY ONCE THEY HIT A VERY SPECIFIC THRESHOLD OF WEAR AND TEAR. AN INVESTMENT IN AN AFFORDABLE SURFACE TREATMENT AT 40% LIFESPAN IS MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE, FOR INSTANCE, THAN POSTPONING MAINTENANCE UNTIL A HEAVIER PATCH UP OR POSSIBLY RECONSTRUCTION IS REQUIRED JUST A FEW YEARS LATER. STREETS THAT ARE REPAIRED WHILE IN GOOD CONDITION WILL HAVE AN EXTENDED LIFETIME AND WILL COST LESS OVER THEIR LIFETIME THAN THOSE LEFT TO DETERIORATE TO POOR CONDITION. AS OF MARCH, 2023, LONG BEACH HAS AN AVERAGE PCI OF 56 WITH 33% OF ROADS IN POOR OR VERY POOR CONDITION, REQUIRING PARTIAL OR FULL RECONSTRUCTION. ABOUT 21% OF ROADWAYS ARE IN MARGINAL TO FAIR CONDITIONS REQUIRING REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING PAVEMENT SURFACE. AND ROUGHLY 30% OF PAVEMENTS IN THE CITY ARE IN GOOD OR VERY GOOD CONDITION, REQUIRING ONLY PREVENTATIVE SURFACE TREATMENTS. [00:15:01] AROUND 16% OF THE PAVEMENT IN THE CITY IS IN EXCELLENT CONDITION, REQUIRING ONLY ROUTINE MAINTENANCE GOING INTO THE VARIOUS FORMS OF TREATMENTS. UH, FIRST IS CRACK SEAL. SO CRACK SEALING IS A, IS THE PROCESS OF APPLYING AN ADHESIVE INTO OPEN CRACKS. IT IS THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE MAINTENANCE PRACTICE. IT PREVENTS MOISTURE FROM ENTERING THE PAVEMENT, SLOWS DOWN PAVEMENT DETERIORATION, AND EXTENDS THE PAVEMENT LIFE BY THREE TO FIVE YEARS. AN EXAMPLE OF PER SQUARE FOOT FOR CRACK SEAL IS UP TO $2. A SLURRY SEAL IS A MIX OF WATER, ASPHALT, EMULSION, AND SMALL PARTICLES APPLIED ON EXISTING ASPHALT CONCRETE PAVEMENT. THIS IS ANOTHER COST-EFFECTIVE TREATMENT THAT SEALS THE SURFACE AND FILLS IN THE SMALL CRACKS, PROTECTING THE STREET THAT IS IN GOOD CONDITION. BENEATH IT, IT PREVENTS MOISTURE FROM ENTERING THE PAVEMENT, SLOWS DOWN THE PAVEMENT'S DETERIORATION, AND EXTENDS THE PAVEMENT LIFE BY FIVE TO SEVEN YEARS. AND, UH, AN AVERAGE COST PER SQUARE FOOT IS ABOUT $2 COMMERCIALLY. UH, BUT WE ARE, UH, WE DO HAVE AN IN-HOUSE CRACK AND SLURRY SEAL TEAM THAT IS ABLE TO DELIVER THIS UNDER THAT COST. NEXT UP IS RESURFACING. RESURFACING IS GRINDING DOWN OF THE TOP TWO OR THREE INCHES OF EXISTING ASPHALT, AND THEN REPLACING THIS NEW, THIS LAYER WITH A NEW ASPHALT LAYER, THIS CAN GET THE, THE STREET, UH, AN ADDITIONAL 10 TO 15 YEARS. UM, HOWEVER YOU CAN SEE THE COST JUMP. SO THE AVERAGE SQUARE FOOT FOR RESURFACING IS 10 TO $17 PER SQUARE FOOT. AND LASTLY, RECONSTRUCTION. SO FULL TO PARTIAL RECONSTRUCTION. THAT IS THE PROCESS OF COMPLETELY REMOVING THE PAVEMENT SURFACE FROM THE SUBGRADE AND REBUILDING THE PAVEMENT, THE CURB AND GUTTER, AND USUALLY THE PAVEMENT, UH, SURFACE AS WELL THROUGH GRIND AND OVERLAY. UH, THIS WILL, UH, WILL KEEP THE STREET IN GOOD CONDITION FOR ABOUT 20 YEARS, UM, WITH ROUTINE POST-CONSTRUCTION PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE. HOWEVER, YOU CAN SEE THE COST HERE IS UP TO $30 A SQUARE FOOT, AND THOSE COST ESTIMATES HAVE NOT BEEN UPDATED IN SOME TIME. I WOULD IMAGINE THAT, UH, THAT IS A BIT HIGHER. NOW, THE CITY'S WEBSITE DOES HAVE A PUBLIC, UH, OR SORRY, THE CITY HAS A PUBLIC WEBSITE DESIGNED TO INFORM THE PUBLIC ABOUT THIS INFORMATION. THE CITY'S PMP AND PCI, UM, THAT WEBSITE, UH, CAN BE ACCESSED AT THAT LINK. UM, IT'S ALSO AVAILABLE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE AS WELL. AND THE ELEVATE 28 WEBSITE, UH, THE, THE WEBSITE SHOWCASES AND ALL OF THIS INFORMATION AS WELL AS AN INTERACTIVE MAP WHERE ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC CAN GO AND SEE THEIR CURRENT PCI FOR FOR THEIR STREET SEGMENT. AND IT IS BROKEN DOWN BLOCK BY BLOCK. UM, SO ANYONE CAN ACCESS AND ACTUALLY SEE THE HISTORICAL, UH, DEGRADATION OR IMPROVEMENT OF THEIR STREET, UH, DATING BACK FROM, I THINK THE FIRST METRIC IS 2013. UH, RIGHT NOW WE ARE UPDATING THE PMP. UM, IT WAS UPDATED IN 2023, BUT WE ARE DOING A 2025 PCI UPDATE WHERE WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE A CONTRACTED CONSULTANT GOING OUT AND RE MEASURING THE PCI, UH, RIGHT NOW, AND WE WILL HAVE UPDATED NUMBERS. AND THOSE UPDATED NUMBERS WILL INFORM THE NEXT FIVE YEAR PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PLAN LAND PER THE 2023 PMP. AN INVESTMENT OF $1.4 BILLION OVER FIVE YEARS IS REQUIRED TO FIX ALL OF THE CITY'S MAJOR AND MINOR STREET DEFICIENCIES. THIS ADDS UP TO, UH, $280 MILLION ANNUALLY OVER FIVE YEARS. FOR HISTORICAL COMPARISON FROM FY 23 TO 25, THE CITY INVESTED A HISTORIC AVERAGE OF $63 MILLION ANNUALLY IN ASSOCIATED STREET CIP PROGRAMS. THIS IS THE LARGEST INVESTMENT IN THE CITY STREETS IN RECENT HISTORY, BUT YET IT ONLY REPRESENTS 22% OF THE NEEDED ANNUAL INVESTMENT SHOWN IN THE PMP. ADDITIONALLY, THE DEPARTMENT HAS RESPONDED TO THE MINOR NETWORK NEED WITH THE NEWLY, NEWLY DEVELOPED IN-HOUSE CRACK AND SLURRY SEAL PROGRAM. IN ADDITION TO THE 10 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF SLURRY SEAL APPLIED SINCE FY 23, THIS TEAM IS ROUTINELY TESTING NEW MATERIALS TO ENHANCE THE CITY'S SLURRY SEAL RESPONSE AND PRESERVE THE CITY STREETS IN GOOD AND FAIR CONDITION. AS I STATED, THE PMP AND PCI IS UPDATED EVERY TWO YEARS AS IS REQUIRED. THE 2025 ANALYSIS AND UPDATE IS CURRENTLY UNDERWAY, AND THE CURRENT FIVE YEAR STREET INVESTMENT PLAN IS FOR FY 23 TO 27. UM, A FEW MORE THINGS TO DISCUSS REGARDING THE STREETS. UM, WE STAFF HAVE ANALYZED THE STREET CIP ALLOCATIONS FROM 30 YEARS AGO TO COMPARE OUR CURRENT CITY INVESTMENTS, UM, WITH ELEVATE COMPARED TO WHAT WE'RE REINVESTING IN OUR CITY STREETS 30 YEARS AGO, EVEN WHEN ADJUSTED FOR INFLATION. THE INVESTMENTS THE CITY MADE IN RESIDENTIAL STREET PROGRAMS AND ARTERIAL AND MAJOR STREET PROGRAMS IN 1993 TO 1995 ARE SUBSTANTIALLY LESS THAN THE INVESTMENTS THE CITY IS MAKING FROM 23 TO 25, AS THE AVERAGE LIFE OF A CITY STREET IS APPROXIMATELY 30 YEARS. INSUFFICIENT INVESTMENTS IN THE CITY STREETS 30 YEARS AGO REQUIRE SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENTS TODAY TO BRING UP THE CITY'S [00:20:01] PCI TO A GOOD RATING. ANOTHER, ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK AT THIS. IN 1993 TO 1995, THE ANNUAL ALLOCATION WHEN ADJUSTED FOR INFLATION WAS $7.7 MILLION ANNUALLY FOR ARTERIAL STREETS 23 TO 25. UH, OUR AVERAGE IS 38.5 MILLION. THIS IS 501% HIGHER. UH, WHEN WE LOOK AT RESIDENTIAL STREETS, THE NUMBERS ARE MORE DIRE. 93 TO 95, THE ANNUAL ALLOCATION, AGAIN ADJUSTED FOR INFLATION. 1.7 MILLION, 23 TO 20 FIVES ANNUAL ALLOCATION WAS 23.8 MILLION, UH, 14 TIMES HIGHER THAN THE 93 TO 95 ALLOCATION MOVING INTO THE CITY'S ALLEY MANAGEMENT PLAN. SO WE DO HAVE A-A-P-M-P-A PAYMENT MANAGEMENT PLAN, AND WE, WE ALSO HAVE A SEPARATE PLAN FOR THE ALLEYS. THE PLAN WAS LAST UPDATED IN 2023. THE AMP, UH, IDENTIFIED AN AVERAGE PCI SCORE OF 50 WITH A BACKLOG OF 30% FOR AN ESTIMATED TOTAL, TOTAL ALLEY DEFICIENCY OF 96 MILLION FOR THE 215 MILES OF ALLEYS WITHIN THE CITY. PER THE AMP, AN INVESTMENT OF $96 MILLION OVER FIVE YEARS IS REQUIRED TO FIX ALL THE CITY'S ALLEY DEFICIENCIES OR $19.2 MILLION ANNUALLY FROM FY 23 TO FY 25. THE CIP INVESTED AN AVERAGE OF $1.3 MILLION ANNUALLY IN ALI REPAIR, AND A MAJORITY OF THIS WAS FUNDED WITH MEASURE A PROCEEDS DEMON DEMONSTRATING THE COMPLETED STREETS FROM 23 20 13 TO 2022. THE GREEN LINES ON THIS MAP INDICATE STREETS THAT WERE, UH, THAT WERE COMPLETED. AND WHEN WE LOOK AT FY 23 TO FY 27, THIS IS THE ELEVATE 28 MAP, BUT OVERLAID ON TOP OF ALL OF THE RED THAT WE PRESENTED TO THE PUBLIC IN THE BEGINNING OF THE PLAN. THE GREEN IS NOW THOSE SAME PLANNED STREETS, BUT GREEN, UH, INDICATES STREETS THAT HAVE BEEN COMPLETED. AND, UH, WE UPDATE THIS MAP EVERY QUARTER, UH, AND PRESENT IT TO THIS COMMITTEE, AS WELL AS UPLOADING IT ON OUR WEBSITE AND THE ELEVATE 28 WEBSITE. NEXT, THE STORMWATER PROTECTION AND CONVEYANCE SYSTEM NEEDS. SO THERE IS AN ESTIMATED NEED FOR OUR STORM DRAINAGE SYSTEM AND PUMP STATIONS AT $840 MILLION. CURRENTLY, UM, THE STORMWATER COMPLIANCE DIVISION IN PUBLIC WORKS IS CURRENTLY WORKING ON A REVISED STORMWATER MASTER PLAN IN FY 23 TO FY 25. THE CIP INVESTED AN AVERAGE OF $1.2 MILLION ANNUALLY IN STORMWATER CONVEYANCE SYSTEM PROJECTS. 1 MILLION OF WHICH, UH, WAS MEASURE A BOND FUNDING. THE CITY IS WORKING TO IDENTIFY FUNDING SOLUTIONS TO ADDRESS, UH, OUR AGING STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM. IN 2018, LA COUNTY RESIDENTS DID PASS STORMWATER PARCEL TAX MEASURED W WHICH DOES PROVIDE NEARLY $5 MILLION ANNUALLY TO THE CITY. THIS ADDITIONAL FUNDING DOES HELP THE CITY REDUCE POLLUTION AND BACTERIA AND REUSE CAPTURED STORMWATER. HOWEVER, LA COUNTY MEASURED W DOES NOT FUND REPLACEMENT OF OUR AGING PUMP STATIONS OR STORM WATER CONVEYANCE INFRASTRUCTURE WHERE THE NEED IS MOST PREVALENT. MOVING ON TO OUR SIDEWALK CONDITION ASSESSMENT, THE CITY COMPLETED A COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW OF THE SIDEWALKS INFRASTRUCTURE IN 2019. THIS PLAN, UH, EVALUATED ALL PEDESTRIAN FACILITIES, INCLUDING SIDEWALKS AND CURB RAMPS TO DETERMINE THE EXTENT TO WHICH INDIVIDUALS WITH DISABILITIES MAY HAVE RESTRICTED MOVEMENT THROUGHOUT THE CITY'S RIGHT OF WAY. THE PLAN FOUND A NEED FOR $631 MILLION FOR INVESTMENT IN THE CITY'S SIDEWALKS AND A DA CURB RAMPS. IN FY 17, THE CITY ENTERED INTO A, AN AGREEMENT, UH, WITH, UH, TO ENSURE A DA COMPLIANCE FOR CURB RAMPS AND SIDEWALKS BY COMPLETING AN ESTIMATED $313 MILLION IN IMPROVEMENTS OVER 30 YEARS. THE NECESSARY A DA IMPROVEMENTS ARE INCLUDED WITHIN THE OVERALL SIDEWALK MANAGEMENT PLAN NOTED ABOVE. AND THIS AGREEMENT IS CURRENTLY UNDER RESETTLEMENT FY 23 TO FY 25. THE CIP INVESTED AN AVERAGE OF $11 MILLION ANNUALLY IN DIRECT SIDEWALK AND A DA CURB, UH, IMPROVEMENTS REGARDING THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AND THE CIP. UM, JUST A QUICK OVERVIEW OF HOW THE ANNUAL CIP BUDGET IS DEVELOPED. UM, AND SO THERE, THERE IS A MULTITUDE OF, OF DIFFERENT PLANNING DOCUMENTS. ONE OF THOSE IS THE PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAM. SO AS STATED, THAT IS, UH, DEVELOPED E EVERY FIVE YEARS AND PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL. IT IS A PLAN THAT THAT DEMONSTRATES, UH, THE PLANNED INVESTMENTS IN THE CITY STREET INFRASTRUCTURE OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. WE ARE CURRENTLY IN THE FY 23 TO FY 27 PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAM. UH, THE NEXT FIVE YEAR PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAM WILL BE, UM, WILL BE INFORMED WITH THE 2025 PCI STUDY, AS WELL AS THE 2027 PCI STUDY. NEXT WE HAVE A FIVE YEAR INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT PLAN, ELEVATE 28. UM, AGAIN, THIS IS A FIVE YEAR PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED, UM, BY CITY COUNCIL, AND IT IS A GUIDING DOCUMENT, UH, FOR FY 23 TO FY 27 ANNUAL CIP BUDGETING. UM, WE, WE LOOK AT [00:25:01] THE ELEVATE 28 PLAN. WE EVALUATE WHAT WAS, UM, WHAT WAS DISCUSSED AND WHAT WAS PLANNED FOR THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR THAT WE ARE PLANNING. AND THAT IS OUR, UH, THAT IS OUR BASE, UH, TO BUILD THE BUDGET OFF OF EVERY YEAR. WE THEN HAVE OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. THIS INCLUDES THE CURRENT ANNUAL CIP AS WELL AS A TWO YEAR OUT FORECAST IN THE, UH, CIP BUDGET BOOK. AND THEN THE ANNUAL CIP BUDGET IS PROPOSED AND APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL EACH YEAR. THIS IS THE ACTION WHERE EACH YEAR'S INDIVIDUAL FUNDING SOURCES AND PROPOSED PROJECTS ARE APPROVED AND APPROPRIATED BY THE CITY COUNCIL, INFORMED BY THE THE CIP, THE IIP AND THE PMP ELEVATE 28 AS PART OF THE FY 25 BUDGET, UH, THE LONG BEACH CITY COUNCIL HAS INCREASED ELEVATE 28 TO BE OVER $930 MILLION. WE DO ANTICIPATE FY 26 BUDGET CYCLE TO BE AN INCREASE, UH, AS WELL TO THIS PLAN AS WE HAVE RECEIVED MORE, UH, GRANT FUNDING, UH, IN THE LAST YEAR. UH, AND, AND IT, THE, THE ELEVATE 28 PLAN INCLUDES OVER 180 PROJECTS, AND THEY, THE CATEGORIES AND THE FUNDING AMOUNTS ARE LISTED HERE FOR TIME. I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH THESE, UM, AS THIS PLAN HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO THIS COMMITTEE. AND THEN, VERY BRIEFLY, BEFORE WE GET INTO OUR, UH, TYPICAL MEASURE, A QUARTERLY INFRASTRUCTURE UPDATE, JUST A JUST A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF HOW THE CIP IS DEVELOPED. UM, AND SO PUBLIC WORK STAFF BEGIN DEVELOPING THE CIP IN JANUARY OF EACH YEAR. UM, THE FOLLOWING INTERNAL STEPS ARE CONDUCTED. SO FIRST, UM, MY STAFF, WE, UH, WE WORK WITH FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT AS WELL AS OUR EXTERNAL FUNDING PARTNERS TO DETERMINE WHAT IS OUR EXPECTED FUNDING SOURCES FOR THE SUBSEQUENT CIP. UM, THERE ARE A MULTITUDE OF EXTERNAL FUNDING SOURCES THAT MAKE UP OUR CIP UH, A FEW ARE LISTED HERE, UM, IN REGARDS TO, UH, STREET PLANNING, UM, LA COUNTY MEASURE M, MEASURE R, PROP A, PROP C, STATE GAS TAX, RMRA, SB ONE, UH, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. AND SO FIRST WE, WE FORMULATE WHAT WE EXPECT THOSE FUNDING SOURCES TO BE. THEN WE LOOK AT THE SPECIFICS OF WHAT EACH FUNDING SOURCE CAN FUND, AND THEN WE START TO BUILD THE PUZZLE, UH, OUT OF, UH, OF THOSE AMOUNTS AND THE PARAMETERS AROUND THOSE SPECIFIC FUNDING SOURCES. CITY STAFF EVALUATE THE NEEDS PLANS, PRIORITY PROJECTS AND FUNDING ELIGIBILITY, AND COMPILE THE ANNUAL PROPOSED CIP FOR THE CITY MANAGER AND CITY COUNCIL REVIEW. UM, AND THEN AT THAT POINT, IT IS PRESENTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND ULTIMATELY, UH, ADOPTED THE BUDGET DEVELOPMENT TIMELINE HERE. UM, A BIT, A BIT MORE OF A, OF AN OVERALL, UH, OVERVIEW OF THE BUDGET TIMELINE. BUT AGAIN, UH, FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT, UM, STARTS THAT WORK IN DECEMBER, UH, OF THE, OF THE PREVIOUS YEAR. UH, FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT BRINGS A REPORT TO MAR, UH, TO CITY COUNCIL IN MARCH OF EVERY YEAR. THE CITY MANAGER FORWARDS, UH, THE, THE PROPOSED BUDGET TO THE MAYOR IN JULY. UH, THE MAYOR OUTLINES HIS RECOMMENDATIONS AND RELEASES THE PROPOSED BUDGET TO THE PUBLIC IN AUGUST. AND THEN THROUGHOUT AUGUST, WE HAVE BUDGET HEARINGS, BUDGET OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE MEETINGS, AND COMMUNITY MEETINGS TO DISCUSS THE BUDGET WITH THE PUBLIC, UM, AS WELL AS CITY COUNCIL. AND THEN THE BUDGET MUST BE PASSED AND ADOPTED BY SEPTEMBER 5TH, 15TH RATHER OF THE, OF THE PREVIOUS FISCAL YEAR. AND THEN MEASURE A SPECIFICALLY IS REVIEWED THROUGH THE ANNUAL BUDGET PROCESS. HISTORICALLY, MEASURE A HAS FUNDED INFRASTRUCTURE PROGRAMS AS PROGRAMMED BY THE INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT PLANS. MEASURE A IS ALSO REVIEWED DURING THE ANNUAL YEAR END PROCESS. AND IF MEASURE A REVENUES HAVE RESULTED IN SURPLUS FUNDING. INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS ARE CONSIDERED WHEN CITY COUNCIL REVIEWS AND APPROVES MEASURE A SURPLUS FUNDING. ALL MEASURE A USES BOTH THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS AND YEAR END PROCESS ARE BROUGHT TO THIS COMMITTEE FOR REVIEW. THAT PROPOSED USES ARE WITHIN THE INTENT OF MEASURE A THAT WAS, UH, PROPOSED TO THE PUBLIC. ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA GO QUICKLY, UH, THROUGH THIS, UH, QUARTERLY UPDATE. AS I KNOW, TIME IS A CONCERN, UM, OVERALL FROM, UH, FY 20 FY 17 TO FY TWENTY FIVE, THREE HUNDRED AND NINETY $3 MILLION HAS BEEN APPROPRIATED FOR INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. UH, THOSE AMOUNTS ARE OUTLINED HERE. SOME KEY HIGHLIGHTS OF THE SIGNIFICANT WORK, UH, THAT THE CITY HAS COMPLETED WITH MEASURE A 54 PARK PLAYGROUNDS. COMMUNITY CENTERS AND PARK FACILITY PROJECTS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED. OVER 597 LANE MILES OF STREETS HAVE BEEN REPAIRED. UH, APPROXIMATELY 300 AND AND 40 LANE MILES OF STREETS HAVE BEEN SLURRY SEALED, INCLUDING 24 LANE MILES. UH, THUS FAR THIS FISCAL YEAR, UH, NEARLY 22 AND THREE QUARTER MILES OF ALLEYS HAVE BEEN REHABILITATED, OF WHICH 5.9 MILES WERE FORMERLY DIRT ALLEYS IN FY 25, 2 0.2 MILES OF ALLEYS HAVE BEEN REHABILITATED. TO DATE, NEARLY 2 MILLION SQUARE [00:30:01] FEET OF SIDEWALKS HAVE BEEN REPLACED, INCLUDING APPROXIMATELY 65,000 SQUARE FEET IN FY 25 3000 SEVEN HUNDRED SEVEN HUNDRED AND SIXTY NINE. CURB RAMPS HAVE BEEN REPLACED, INCLUDING 164. IN FY 25 AND 33 PUBLIC FACILITY, UH, PUBLIC FACILITY BUILDING, UH, PROJECTS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED OF THE ORIGINAL 2016 PLAN. 93% OF PROJECTS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED, INCLUDING A HUNDRED PERCENT OF BEACH PROJECTS, 94% OF PARKS PROJECTS, 86% OF PUBLIC FACILITIES. THERE ARE CURRENTLY NINE PROJECTS REMAINING FROM THE ORIGINAL PLAN REMAINING TO BE COMPLETED WITH FOUR OF THE NINE INACTIVE CONSTRUCTION. AND ANOTHER PROJECT ANTICIPATED TO ENTER CONSTRUCTION LATER THIS YEAR. MANY MOBILITY PROJECTS ARE ONGOING DUE TO THE SCALE OF THE WORK, BUT TO DATE, A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE DIRT ALLEYS IDENTIFIED IN THE ORIGINAL PLAN HAVE BEEN COMPLETED ALONG WITH 79% OF THE ARTERIAL STREETS AND 97% OF THE RESIDENTIAL STREETS WITH MANY MORE, WITH MANY MORE NEARING COMPLETION THIS YEAR. AGAIN, THAT IS OUR MOBILITY MAP OUTLINING, UH, THE COMPLETED STREETS PROMISED IN THE FY 23 TO 27, UH, PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PLAN. AND VERY QUICKLY, WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH SOME PROJECTS. ALL OF THESE THAT I'M GONNA SHOW TO THIS COMMITTEE HAVE BEEN COMPLETED REALLY WITHIN THE LAST FEW MONTHS. AND I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT THIS IS NOT AN EXHAUSTIVE LIST, BUT YOU WILL THINK IT IS AT THE END, BUT IT IS NOT. THERE IS MORE. UM, HERE ARE SOME COMPLETED ALLEY PROJECTS BEFORE AND AFTER. AGAIN, I'M GONNA GO THROUGH THEM PRETTY QUICKLY HERE. UM, BUT THEY REALLY DEMONSTRATE THE AMOUNT OF WORK, UM, THAT REHABILITATING THE CITY'S ALLEYS, UH, BENEFITS FOR THE RESIDENTS. YOU CAN SEE HERE THIS, THIS IS A DRAMATIC ONE, AND I BELIEVE WE'RE NOT, WE DON'T HAVE ANY DIRT ALLEYS LEFT, BUT SOME OF THESE, YOU WOULD THINK, UM, YOU WOULD THINK THEY WOULD BE DIRT ALLEYS. THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE AS WELL. AND NOW MOVING INTO SOME COMPLETED CURB AND SIDEWALK PROJECTS. AGAIN, I AM GONNA GO RELATIVELY QUICKLY HERE. I DO WANNA HIGHLIGHT THESE ONES. THIS, THIS IS CREATING NEW SIDEWALKS THROUGHOUT THE CITY WHERE, WHERE PREVIOUSLY THERE IS NO SIDEWALK. AND, AND THESE PICTURES, UM, TO ME ALWAYS REALLY, REALLY TELL A, A VERY INTERESTING STORY. IT, IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AREA, BUT THAT IS THE SAME, THAT IS THE SAME HOUSE AND SOME RESIDENTIAL STREETS THAT WERE RECENTLY COMPLETED BEFORE AND AFTERS HERE. AND AGAIN, THIS IS ALL WITHIN THE LAST FEW MONTHS. UH, HERE'S A KRAKEN SLURRY SEAL STREET ON WALNUT BEFORE AND AFTER SOME MAJOR STREETS, HARDING, UM, BEFORE AND AFTER. AND THEN ONE PROJECT I DO WANNA HIGHLIGHT IS OUR ARTESIA GREAT BOULEVARD PROJECT. UM, THIS PROJECT IS NOW COMPLETE. UM, THE TEAM HAS BEEN HARD AT WORK AT THIS PROJECT. UH, 3.2 MILES OF REHABILITATED SIDEWALK AND ROADWAY, INCLUDING CLASS FOUR PROTECTED BIKE LANES AND AN UPDATED WAYFINDING SIGNAGE. FOUR NEW SMART TRAFFIC SIGNALS, 19 BUS STOP, UH, AMENITY IMPROVEMENTS, SIX NEW CROSSWALKS, 400 NEW DROUGHT TOLERANT TREES, MEDIAN FENCING AND MEDIAN IMPROVEMENTS IN THE INSTALLATION OF INTELLIGENT TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM EQUIPMENT. AND I DO WANNA INVITE THIS COMMITTEE. WE ARE HAVING A RIBBON CUTTING, UH, SATURDAY, MAY 31ST AT 9:00 AM THIS SATURDAY. AND THIS WAS A $54 MILLION PROJECT OF WHICH MEASURE A CONTRIBUTED $500,000 OF FUNDING TO, UH, MOVING IN HERE. COMPLETED PARKS AND REC PROJECTS, 54 PARKS PROJECTS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED TO DATE. THEY ARE LISTED HERE. PARK PROJECTS COMPLETED SINCE THE LAST TIME THIS COMMITTEE MET, INCLUDE DAVENPORT PARK, PHASE TWO EXPANSION, EL DORADO COMMUNITY GARDEN IMPROVEMENTS, AND JOE ROGERS FIELD AND RESTROOM IMPROVEMENTS. THIS NOW TOTALS OVER $42.7 MILLION OF COMPLETED PARKS PROJECTS FUNDED SOLELY THROUGH MEASURE A. HERE IS DAVENPORT PARK. THIS EXPANDED THE EXISTING 5.5 ACRE PARK TO 11 AND A HALF ACRES. THIS INCLUDES, UH, NEW SPORTS FIELDS, FITNESS STATION, OUTDOOR SEATING AREAS, AND WALKING TRAIL. JOE ROGERS, UH, PROJECT UPGRADED EXISTING PATHWAYS TO IMPROVE ACCESSIBILITY AND REPLACE THE RESTROOM FACILITIES AND MOVING INTO THE PUBLIC FACILITY PROJECTS. UH, SINCE THE LAST TIME WE MET, UH, THE BAYSHORE LIBRARY PROJECT HAS BEEN COMPLETED. CITY PLACE PARKING GARAGE, MURAL AND STRUCTURE PROJECT FIRE STATION 14 AND IMPROVEMENTS TO THE LONG BEACH HISTORICAL SOCIETY. ROOF TO DATE, 33 PUBLIC FACILITY PROJECTS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED, UH, TOTALING OVER $16.3 MILLION OF MEASURE A INVESTMENT. THE BAYSHORE LIBRARY, UH, IMPROVEMENT PROJECT RESTORED THE EXTERIOR ARCHITECTURE, IMPROVED FEATURES AND MADE THE BUILDING MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT AND ALSO INCREASED THE SITE'S ACCESSIBILITY. [00:35:03] FIRE STATION 14 PROJECT CONVERTED LARGE DORM AREAS TO INDIVIDUAL BEDROOMS AND CONVERTED A LARGE BATHROOM TO TWO SEPARATE BATHROOMS. ADDITIONAL INTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS WERE MADE TO IMPROVE LIVING AND WORKING CONDITIONS FOR THE STAFF. THE CITY PLACE PARKING GARAGE, MURAL AND STRUCTURE PROJECT REPAIR, THE HISTORIC W-P-A-F-A-P TILE MURAL TITLED TYPICAL ACTIVITIES OF A BEACH AND HARBOR CITY. THE PROJECT INCLUDED REPAIRING DAMAGED TILES, RESTORING SANDSTONE, GROUT, OVERALL WATERPROOFING, AND REPAIRING THE CONCRETE ARCH AND FRAME TO SOLVE THE STRUCTURAL DEFICIENCIES THERE. HERE'S THE BACK. AND LASTLY, THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY ROOF IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDED A FULL ROOF SEAL AND COATING, AND THIS PROJECT ALSO REPAIRED AND REPLACED COPING AND ROOF DRAINS. I KNOW NOT THE MOST EXCITING PICTURE THERE TO LOOK AT. UM, IN ADDITION TO THOSE PROJECTS THAT WE JUST REVIEWED, UH, THE FOLLOWING MEASURE A FUNDED PROJECTS ARE CURRENTLY IN THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE AND WE ANTICIPATE THEM TO BE COMPLETED BY THE END, UH, OF SUMMER 2025. AND HOPEFULLY WE WILL BE SHOWING YOU REALLY NICE PICTURES. UH, THE NEXT TIME WE MEET. THAT INCLUDES THE 14TH STREET PARK LIGHTING AND PLATE GROUND IMPROVEMENT PROJECT, MACARTHUR PARK IMPROVEMENTS, UH, MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. PARK SWIMMING POOL REPAIRS, ROSE PARK, GAZEBO PAINTING AND LANDSCAPING, AND THE YOUTH SHELTER AND NAVIGATION PROJECT. JUST A FEW IN PROGRESS, UM, SHOTS HERE OF A FEW OF THOSE PROJECTS. THE MACARTHUR PARK PROJECT IS, IS REALLY INCREDIBLE. IT IS, IT IS TRANSFORMING THE ENTIRE LANDSCAPE OF THAT PARK. THAT IS A $10 MILLION PROJECT. MEASURE A IS CONTRIBUTING $1 MILLION IN FUNDING THERE. HERE'S SOME, UH, SOME PROGRESS SHOTS OF THE MLK JUNIOR PARK SWIMMING POOL REPAIRS AND ALSO SOME SHOTS OF THE ROSE PARK GAZEBO PAINTING AND LACED LANDSCAPING PROJECT. AND THEN HERE IS, UH, BEFORE AND AFTER OF THE YOUTH SHELTER AND NAVIGATION CENTER. UM, THE EXTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS ARE FOR THE MOST PART DONE, BUT WE ARE STILL WORKING ON SOME INTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS. AND FOR THAT I CONCLUDE MY PRESENTATION. I WANNA APPLAUD THAT TOO BECAUSE , THANK YOU FOR, UH, DOING SO MUCH AT THE VERY END TO TRY TO GET THROUGH IT ALL. 'CAUSE I KNOW WE GOT A LOT TO GO AND IT TOOK A WHILE, BUT IT'S ALWAYS NICE TO SEE THE COMPLETED PROJECTS. YES. UM, I NEED TO AT FIRST ASK THE CLERK TO SEE IF WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS ITEM. IF ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM NOW. NO PUBLIC COMMENT CHAIR. OKAY. SO MEMBERS, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? I'LL LET Y'ALL GO FIRST. OKAY. GO AHEAD. HI. UM, WOW, , THAT WAS A LOT OF, A LOT OF WORDS AND A LOT OF PICTURES, BUT THANK YOU. IT'S ALWAYS GREAT TO SEE THE WORK YOU'RE DOING, BUT I DO HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. UM, ON THE FACILITY CONDITION ASSESSMENT. UM, ONE THING THAT IS NOT THERE AT ALL THAT MIGHT BE USEFUL WOULD BE TO KNOW, UM, THE PERCENT OF OCCUPANCY AND THE PERCENT OF USAGE ON SOME OF THOSE FACILITIES. 'CAUSE THAT MIGHT INFORM, UM, WHEN YOU KNOW WHAT THE PRIORITY OF, OF DOING WORK IS IN THEM. SO IF YOU HAVE A FACILITY THAT'S NOT BEING, IS BEING USED, YOU KNOW, THREE DAYS A MONTH AND, AND ONLY 30% OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS BEING USED, THAT MAY CHANGE ITS PRIORITY EVEN IF IT'S IN A POOR CONDITION. OKAY. SO THAT WAS ONE. I DON'T KNOW HOW FEASIBLE IT IS TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO WE ARE, WE ARE, UH, IN THAT MODEL, THE DASHBOARD MODEL I TALKED ABOUT, UM, IT IS GONNA TAKE THE FCA DATA, WHICH RIGHT NOW LIVES ON A GIANT SPREADSHEET. AND WITHIN THESE SPECIFIC PDFS FOR EACH FACILITY, IT'S GONNA TAKE THAT DATA AND GENERATE IT IN A POWER BI TABLE. ONE OF THOSE ADDITIONAL ITEMS WE'RE LOOKING AT IS PUTTING IN, UH, ANOTHER SLICER ON PRIORITY LEVEL BASED ON OCCUPANCY AND USE AND, AND JUST CRITICAL IMPORTANCE OF THE FACILITY. SO. OKAY, THANK YOU. AND, AND ALSO KIND OF ON THAT SAME, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, ASSESSMENT, UM, IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THE COSTS ARE ARE ESCALATING, YOU HAD A LITTLE PIECE IN THERE ON HOW THE COSTS ARE ESCALATING, IF THERE'S SOME ITEMS THAT YOU THINK ARE GONNA ESCALATE A LOT MORE. FOR EXAMPLE, IF, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT IS GOING TO ESCALATE A LOT MORE THAN, UH, STUCCO, UH, IF SOMETHING LIKE THAT SHOULD BE MOVED UP SIMPLY TO HELP MANAGE SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL OUTLAYS THAT WOULD COME FROM, FROM, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S TECHNOLOGICAL IMPROVEMENTS OR JUST INFLATION OR WHATEVER. SO THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE, MAYBE THAT'S MORE OF A ITEM BY ITEM ASSESSMENT, MAY NOT BE ABLE TO AUTOMATE SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEAH. UH, SO WE, WE USE THE FCAS WHEN WE'RE GOING INTO THE, THE FACILITIES, UM, TO DETERMINE WHAT WAS FOUND. BUT WE DON'T NECESSARILY ARE JUST USING [00:40:01] THE FCA TO PRIORITIZE THE WORK. AND SO THERE IS A LOT OF MANUAL WORK IN, IN DETERMINING THAT. UM, BUT THAT, THAT IS A GREAT POINT. UM, TYPICALLY WHEN WE'RE AT A FACILITY, WHEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TAKE OUT A WALL, WE TRY TO DO AS MUCH AS WE CAN AT THE FACILITY WHILE WE'RE THERE. 'CAUSE THE STANDUP COSTS, PROJECT MANAGEMENT COSTS, THE SOFT COSTS OF THE PROJECT. UM, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. UM, UNFORTUNATELY THE FUNDING FOR FACILITIES IS, YOU KNOW, UM, IF WE HAD A LARGER POT OF, OF A LOT OF FUNDING TO GO AROUND FOR THE FACILITIES, BUT BECAUSE IT'S THE FACILITY FUNDING IS RATHER SMALL, UH, THE AMOUNT OF OPPORTUNITIES TO JUST FOCUS ON ELECTRICAL AT A CERTAIN SITE, UM, THAT HASN'T BEEN OUR CURRENT, OUR CURRENT PRACTICE. UM, AND THEN, UM, AGAIN, WITH FACILITIES, UM, AND GOING BACK TO THE PERCENT OF OCCUPANCY AND THE PERCENT OF USAGE, UH, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE COMMENT, BUT I'M GONNA MAKE IT ANYWAY, 253, UH, BUILDINGS, I MEAN, FOR ONE THING I DON'T, THERE'S NO, UM, THERE'S NO, NO INFORMATION ABOUT HOW MANY ARE LEASED AND HOW MANY ARE OWNED. SO I I I ASSUME MOST OF THEM ARE OWNED AND FEW ARE LEASED. UM, SO THAT WOULD BE ONE QUESTION. AND THEN THE SECOND QUESTION IS 253 BUILDINGS, HOW DOES THAT COMPARE TO, TO THE NUMBER OF BUILDINGS OWNED BY OTHER CITIES? I MEAN, CAN SOME OF THOSE BUILDINGS BE CONSOLIDATED? CAN SOME OF THEM BE LIQUIDATED? AND THAT COULD CREATE MORE FUNDING TO DO SOME OF, OF THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE REALLY PRESSING AND THEN ALSO THAT WOULD TAKE SOME PRESSURE OFF OF SOME OF THE MAINTENANCE THAT'S REQUIRED DOWN THE LINE. IF YOU HAD 200 BUILDINGS TO MAINTAIN RATHER THAN 253, ALL REALLY GOOD THINGS TO CONSIDER. I WILL JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, WITH, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT A 500 AND WHAT THAT NUMBER WAS, $520 MILLION NEED FOR THE FACILITIES. AND SO YES, SHRINKING THAT NEED WOULD HELP. HOWEVER, WE DON'T HAVE $520 MILLION TO ALLOCATE OUT FOR FACILITY REPAIR, BUT IT DEFINITELY, IT IS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. YEAH. 'CAUSE THAT THEN SOME OF THOSE FUNDS, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY COULD BE, IF THEY COULD BE RE IF, IF PROCEEDS FROM A SALE OF A BUILDING COULD BE REALLOCATED RIGHT INTO THE POT TO TO MAINTAIN, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER ONES IN THE, IN THE, IN THE, IN THE FLEET, SO TO SPEAK. UM, OR IF THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO INTO A GENERAL FUND. BUT THAT COULD BE SOME ONE WAY OF, OF GENERATING MORE AVAILABILITY TO MAINTAIN THE ONES THAT REMAIN IN A HIGHER STANDARD. THANK YOU COMMISSION. UM, MARILYN SKUS WITH PUBLIC WORKS, JUST A QUICK COMMENT. THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE BUILDINGS THAT WE DID THE FCAS ON ARE OWNED BY THE CITY. UM, THE ASSETS ARE CITY FACILITY ASSETS ARE MANAGED NOT BY PUBLIC WORKS, BUT BY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. SO A LOT OF THOSE COMMENTS WE CAN BRING BACK TO THEM AND IF WE HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WE CAN ALSO INCLUDE THEM IN ONE OF THESE MEETINGS. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANKS MARILYN. YOU GUYS HAVE ANY COMMENTS? OKAY, I, I HAVE A COUPLE QUICK. SO I ALSO WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK. AND I THINK WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THAT'S WHAT WE SEE EVERY DAY AND THAT REMINDS US OF WHAT'S GOING ON. UM, I KNOW WHEN WE FIRST ASKED ABOUT THE ASSESSMENTS, I APPRECIATE ESPECIALLY THAT SLIDE FOUR, IF YOU CAN PULL THAT BACK UP BECAUSE THAT'S AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL OF, OF THE DIFFERENT TYPE OF GROUPS OR AREAS THAT THAT SHOW, UM, THAT NEED ASSESSMENTS. AND I APPRECIATE THAT YOU WENT DOWN EACH CATEGORY AND TALKED ABOUT THE DIFFERENT ASSESSMENTS. AND I, I, I DO HAVE SOME VERY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, THE DIFFERENT ASSESSMENTS THAT ARE BEING DONE. MY, MY GOAL OR MY QUESTION IF WE CALL AT THE VERY, VERY BEGINNING WAS TO UNDERSTAND, UH, IF THE CITY'S INFRASTRUCTURE IS IMPROVING. THAT IS A VERY BIG QUESTION THAT I BELIEVE THIS COMMITTEE NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND. AND THE REASON WE WERE ASKING FOR THE ASSESSMENTS WAS A GOAL TO TRY TO LOOK AT THE MOST RECENT ASSESSMENT AND CARE, COMPARE IT TO THE PRIOR ASSESSMENT SO THAT IN A SPIRIT OF TRANSPARENCY WE CAN SAY, ARE WE GETTING BETTER IN OUR BUILDINGS, FACILITIES? ARE WE GETTING BETTER WITH OUR STREETS? ARE WE GETTING BETTER IN ALL THESE CATEGORIES? AND WHEN I LOOK AND HEAR YOU SAY THAT THE LAST FACILITY CONDITION ASSESSMENT WAS DONE IN 2021, AND HERE WE ARE 20, 25, WHEN WAS THE ONE PRIOR TO THAT? DONE FOR, LET'S, WE'LL START OFF WITH FACILITIES. WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I, I FEEL LIKE THIS QUESTION HAS BEEN ASKED AND ANSWERED. I I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER RIGHT NOW. UM, I CAN GO BACK AND CHECK THE, THE MEETING. OKAY. UM, BUT I, YEAH, I, TO, TO, TO RESPOND TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE SEEING AND, AND IS IT GETTING BETTER? I I CAN'T, I CAN'T SAY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER BECAUSE WE'RE NOT [00:45:01] CONTINUALLY DOING ASSESSMENTS. UM, AND SO IF THOSE ASSESSMENTS ARE FUNDED, BUT THE ASSESSMENTS ARE, ARE UNFUNDED AS WELL. AND SO WE'RE DOING A, WE'RE DOING THE STORMWATER CONVEYANCE SYSTEM ASSESSMENT. WE'RE CURRENTLY UNDERWAY WITH THE PCI, WHICH COVERS ARTERIAL RESIDENTIALS AND ALLEYS. UM, WE DO NOT CURRENTLY HAVE A PLAN TO REDO ANOTHER FCA OR A SIDEWALK ASSESSMENT. UM, BUT I WILL JUST SAY IF THE RECOMMENDED ANNUAL NEED IS, LET'S JUST TAKE STORMWATER CONVEYANCE SYSTEM IS $168 MILLION. SO THE STUDY IS SAYING WE NEED TO BE INVESTING $168 MILLION AND WE'RE INVESTING A MILLION DOLLARS. I WOULD, I WOULD GUESS THAT IT'S NOT GETTING BETTER. I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU. AND, AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING AND TRYING TO GET BOILED DOWN. 'CAUSE YES, I'VE ASKED THE QUESTION AND I THINK WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO DO THE COMPARISON. I, I DID TRY TO FIND SOME OLD DATA AS FAR AS WHEN THEY WERE TOUTING, UH, INFRA, UH, MEASURE A AND I DO REMEMBER HEARING THE NUMBERS THAT OVER 60% OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, WAS IN POOR OR VERY POOR CONDITION. AND WHEN I SEE 2021, AGAIN, THE ACTUAL NUMBER COMES UP TO 61%. SO, YOU KNOW, IT, IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE IT'S IMPROVING THE, AND I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU A HUNDRED PERCENT YES. YEAH. YOU NEED TO DO REGULAR ASSESSMENTS AND YES, YOU NEED MORE MONEY. AND, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO JUST, I, OR AT LEAST THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT, BUT IF I CAN JUST TRY TO TRY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, UM, UH, IS IT GETTING BETTER? I, I CAN'T SAY. BUT BASED ON THESE RECOMMENDED ANNUAL NEEDS, AND WE ARE FALLING SHORT, SO EVEN $280 MILLION OF ARTERIAL AND RESIDENTIAL STREET IMPROVEMENTS IS THE RECOMMENDED ANNUAL NEED TO BRING OUR PCI TO GOOD. WE ARE, WE ARE INVESTING MORE THAN WE EVER HAVE, BUT IT'S, WE'RE ONLY INVESTING 22% OF THAT $280 MILLION. WHAT I CAN CERTAINLY TELL THIS COMMITTEE IS THAT WITHOUT MEASURE A, OUR CITY'S INFRASTRUCTURE WOULD BE IN A MUCH WORSE PLACE THAN IT IS RIGHT NOW DEMONSTRATED BY ALL OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE COMPLETED AND ALL OF THE ROADWAY INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE COMPLETED AS WELL. OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO, ANYBODY ELSE? OH, SORRY. HOWARD HAS A, UM, AND, AND, AND I HATE TO ASK FOR ANOTHER STATISTIC, BUT IF YOU, IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU THINK WOULD BE, BE A USEFUL THING FOR EVERYBODY TO KNOW, IS WHAT IS THE INVESTMENT IN ALL OF THESE PROJECTS BY COUNCIL DISTRICT? 'CAUSE UH, UH, THERE'S NOTHING IN THERE AND ABOUT THAT AND, UM, I MEAN I LIVE IN COUNCIL DISTRICT FIVE AND, BUT I KNOW THERE'S SO MANY PARKS AND SO MANY FACILITIES IN DISTRICT THREE, AND I WOULD SUSPECT JUST, UM, NOT KNOWING ANY REAL DATA, JUST LOOKING AT IT, THAT THERE'S A REALLY HEAVY INVESTMENT IN DISTRICT THREE AND MAYBE A MUCH A LIGHTER INVESTMENT IN SOME OF THE NORTHERN DISTRICTS. AND I THINK, I WONDER IF THAT WOULD BE A USEFUL PIECE OF INFORMATION FOR THE COUNCIL TO KNOW. SO WE DO BRIEF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, UM, ON, ON THEIR COUNCIL DISTRICT, UM, PROJECTS. AND SO WHEN WE DEVELOPED ELEVATE 28, WE SAT WITH EACH COUNCIL MEMBER AND OUTLINED EACH, UH, EACH PROJECT IN THEIR DISTRICT. SO, BUT DO WE LINE THEM UP AND SAY, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UM, WE TYPICALLY DON'T COMPARE COUNCIL DISTRICTS, UM, IN PUBLIC DOCUMENTS, BUT THAT, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD CONSIDER. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SORRY, COMMISSIONER JOA, UH, GOING BACK TO WHEN YOU SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ONLY PUTTING IN ABOUT 22% OF WHAT WE NEED TO GET OUR, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE UP TO. GOOD. UM, I KNOW THERE'S SOME ISSUES GOING ON WITH THE MOVING THE FULL EXPANSION OF MEASURE A UP ON THE TIMELINE. IF THAT WERE TO GO THROUGH, HOW WOULD THAT AFFECT THAT PERCENTAGE OR HOW MUCH WE'RE PUTTING IN? WOULD IT, YOU KNOW, RAISE IT SIGNIFICANTLY OR WOULD IT, YOU KNOW, JUST BE SMALL? IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE, UM, SIGNIFICANT TO OUR PROJECTS. MOST CERTAINLY TO, TO THAT SPECIFIC STATISTIC, NO, BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S UH, IT'S JUST A ONE-TIME INCREASE IN FUNDING AND IT'S NOT A STRUCTURAL INCREASE, BUT IT, IT WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT HELP TO A LOT OF OUR CURRENTLY UNDERFUNDED PROJECTS. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH, OF COURSE. THANK YOU CHAIR. UH, KEVIN REER, DIRECTOR OF FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT. I'M GLAD YOU PULLED UP SLIDE FOUR. I HAD JONATHAN GO BACK TO SLIDE FOUR 'CAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE A BIG PICTURE COMMENT ABOUT SLIDE FOUR TWO ACTUALLY FIRST, PRETTY MUCH EVERY CITY, TOWN, VILLAGE AND COUNTY IN THE COUNTRY [00:50:01] IS HAVING THE SAME DISCUSSION AS LONG BEACH IS HAVING, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE IS ALWAYS A CHALLENGE. SECOND, JUST KIND OF A, KIND OF A MIC DROP COINCIDENCE. IF YOU TAKE THE EXISTING PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT DEPENDENCE ON THE GENERAL FUND AND YOU ADD TO IT THE $699 MILLION RECOMMENDED ANNUAL NEED FOR ALL OF THESE PROGRAMS AND ALL OF THIS PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU GET THE TOTAL GENERAL FUND FOR THE CITY OF LONG BEACH. SO IN ORDER TO DO ALL THIS AT THE RECOMMENDED LEVEL, YOU WOULD HAVE TO ABOLISH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, ABOLISH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, ABOLISH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. THERE WOULD BE NO MORE FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT, ONLY THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT WOULD EXIST TO CONTINUE, UM, EXECUTING THESE CAPITAL PROJECTS. THAT'S HOW BIG THE NEED IS. THANK YOU, CHAIR. OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? CLERK PLEASE CALL, UH, FOR VOTE TO RECEIVE AND FILE. MOTION CARRIES. OKAY. UH, CLERK, CAN YOU PLEASE READ THE NEXT ITEM? ITEM FOUR IS A RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE A REPORT ON THE ACTIVITIES OF THE TRANSACTIONS AND USE TAX CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE IN CALENDAR YEAR 2024. CAN I GET A MOTION [4. 25-55345 Recommendation to receive and file a report on the activities of the Transactions and Use Tax Citizens’ Advisory Committee in calendar year 2024.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] ON THIS ITEM? OKAY. IT HAS BEEN MOVED BY OCHOA AND SECONDED BY EMMY, UM, STAFF. IS THERE A REPORT OR PRESENTATION FOR THIS ITEM? UH, YES. CHAIR CRUZ. UH, WE JUST HAVE A BRIEF, UH, STAFF REPORT FOR THIS. THIS IS A ITEM REQUESTED OF ALL COMMITTEES TECHNICALLY TO SUBMIT IN THE ACTIVITY REPORT ANNUALLY. SO THE REPORT WE'RE BRINGING YOU TODAY IS REPORTING ON THE TRANSACTION USE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE'S ACTIVITIES IN THE CALENDAR YEAR OF 2024. UM, IN THE YEAR 2024, THERE WAS THREE MEETINGS HELD, WHICH REVIEWED EXPENDITURES, PROPOSED SPENDING PLANS AND PROJECTED UPDATES ASSOCIATED WITH MEASURE A FUNDING. IF APPROVED THIS REPORT AS PER THE REQUIREMENT OF THE LONG BEACH MUNICIPAL CODE IS FORWARDED TO THE CITY COUNCIL VIA MEMO. CLERK, CAN YOU PLEASE, UH, CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? IF ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM NOW. NO PUBLIC COMMENT. CHAIR AND MEMBERS, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM BEING NONE? LET'S PLEASE CALL FOR A VOTE CLERK. MOTION CARRIES. OKAY, THANK YOU. UH, IF YOU CAN PLEASE READ THE NEXT ITEM. ITEM FIVE IS A RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE AN UPDATE ON THE LONG BEACH POLICE DEPARTMENT'S USE OF MEASURE MEASURE A FUNDING TO STRUCTURALLY [5. 25-55346 Recommendation to receive and file an update on the Long Beach Police Department’s use of Measure A funding to structurally support South Patrol Division, the Police Academy, and Quality of Life Officers, as well as non-infrastructure related one-time funding in FY 24.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] SUPPORT SOUTH PATROL DIVISION, THE POLICE ACADEMY, AND QUALITY OF LIFE OFFICERS, AS WELL AS NON INFRASTRUCTURE RELATED ONE-TIME FUNDING IN FY 24. OKAY. UH, MEMBERS, CAN I GET A MOTION ON THIS ITEM? IT HAS BEEN MOVED BY O MEMBER OCHOA AND SECONDED BY MEMBER EMMY STAFF. IS THERE A REPORT OR PRESENTATION FOR THIS ITEM? YES. I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO DEPUTY CHIEF BEFORD FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M DEPUTY CHIEF TY BURFORD WITH THE, UH, SUPPORT BUREAU. UH, GOOD AFTERNOON COMMITTEE CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. I'M HERE TODAY TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S USE OF MEASURE A FUNDS FOR FISCAL YEAR FY 24. OPERATIONAL INVESTMENTS IN FY 24 INCLUDE INCLUDED POSITION, MAINTAIN POSITIONS, MAINTAINED RESTORATION OF PREVIOUSLY ELIMINATED RESOURCES SUCH AS THE SOUTH DIVISION OPERATIONS AND BASIC ACADEMY STAFFING ENHANCEMENTS TO SERVICE LEVEL LEVELS INCLUDED QUALITY OF LIFE EFFORTS, THE NEIGHBORHOOD SAFETY BIKE TEAM AND THE JAIL CLINICIAN, AS WELL AS ONE-TIME USES FOR PUBLIC SAFETY COMMUNICATIONS TECHNOLOGY AND THE LA RIVER OUTREACH. AND FY 24 MEASURE A ALLOWED THE DEPARTMENT TO MAINTAIN THE EQUIVALENT OF 107 POLICE OFFICER POSITIONS THAT WOULD OTHERWISE HAVE BEEN ELIMINATED [00:55:01] DUE TO THE LACK OF FUNDING. NOTABLE POLICE DEPARTMENT ACCOMPLISHMENTS IN FY 24 DEMONSTRATE THE DILIGENCE AND PROACTIVE EFFORTS OF OUR OFFICERS. AND FY 24, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT RESPONDED TO 217,295. DISPATCH CALLS FOR SERVICE. OUR PRIORITY ONE RESPONSES RESPONSE TIME WAS 5.8 MINUTES. WELL BELOW THE NATIONAL AVERAGE. 936 FIREARMS WERE SEIZED A 19% INCREASE FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR. ADDITIONALLY, OFFICERS MADE 162 ARRESTS FOR THE POSSESSION FOR, UH, PRE PROHIBIT PROHIBITED POSSESSORS. THOSE WHO WERE NOT ALLOWED TO, UH, POSSESS FIREARMS MEASURE A FUNDS ALLOWED THE CITY TO RESTORE SOUTH DIVISION PATROL OPERATIONS AS MENTIONED BY FUNDING EIGHT SWORN AND TWO CIVILIAN STAFF POSITIONS. AS A REMINDER, SOUTH DIVISION COVERS THE AREA SOUTH OF ANAHEIM BOULEVARD TO OCEAN AND EAST FROM CHERRY TO THE LA RIVER AND FY 24 SOUTH DIVISION OFFICERS WERE DISPATCHED TO 60,180. SO 87 CALLS AND 43,255 INITIATED SELF-INITIATED INVESTIGATIONS, WHICH RESULTED IN A TOTAL OF 103,442 CALLS FOR SERVICE SOUTH DIVISION PERSONNEL ALSO PARTICIPATED IN COUNTLESS NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY EVENTS, INCLUDING STANDING NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEETINGS, WALK TO SCHOOL WEEK, MEET AND GREETS COMMANDER FORMS, SAFETY EVENTS AND COMMUNITY AND SCHOOL EVENTS TO BUILD RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN OUR OFFICERS AND THE YOUTH THAT THEY SERVE. MEASURE A FUNDING ALSO HELPED TO RESTORE ACADEMY OPERATIONS, WHICH HAS BEEN REDUCED, UH, REDUCED DUE TO FUNDING CONSTRAINTS. THIS INCLUDES NINE SWORN POSITIONS, WHICH PROVIDED DEDICATED TRAINING STAFF FOR NEW RECRUITS AND HELP TO MEET OPERATIONAL NEEDS AND COMMITMENTS IN FY 24 2. POLICE ACADEMIES WERE HELD. CLASS 97, GRADUATED IN OCTOBER, 2023 AND CLASS 98, GRADUATED IN JULY, 2024, BOTH WITH 29 NEW POLICE OFFICERS. POLICE OFFICERS FROM CLASS 97 COMPLETED THEIR 12TH MONTH FIELD TRAINING AND ARE NOW FULLY DEPLOYED. OFFICERS FROM CLASS 98 WILL COMPLETE FIELD TRAINING THIS SUMMER. MEASURE A FUNDS ALSO PROVIDED FOR ENHANCEMENTS TO POLICE DEPARTMENT OPERATIONS. THE FIRST OF THESE ENHANCEMENTS WAS TWO QUALITY OF LIFE OFFICERS, WHICH WERE ADDED. AND FY 19 QUALITY OF LIFE OFFICERS PROVIDE ESSENTIAL SERVICES TO SOME OF OUR MOST VULNERABLE POPULATIONS. THEY UTILIZE A HOUSING FIRST APPROACH AND WORK IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT MULTI-SERVICE CENTER TO PROVIDE HOUSING AND COORDINATED SERVICES AND RESOURCES. IN 2024, THE QUALITY OF LIFE TEAMS MADE OVER 8,966 CONTACTS WITH PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS. THESE EFFORTS RESULTED IN 371 TEMPORARY HOUSING PLACEMENTS, 62 PLACEMENTS INTO PERMANENT HOUSING, AND 23 INDIVIDUALS ENROLLED IN THE HOMEWARD BOUND PROGRAM, WHICH CONNECTS APPLICANTS AND RESOURCES TO RELOCATE THEM BACK TO THEIR FAMILIES. ADDITIONALLY, QUALITY OF LIFE OFFICERS PARTICIPATED IN 995 ENCAMPMENT CLEANUPS AS PART OF THE CITY'S INTERDEPARTMENTAL TEAM. IN FY 23, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT REORGANIZED DEPARTMENT OPERATIONS AND CREATED A NEW COMMUNITY SERVICES BUREAU FOCUSED ON INNOVATIVE GOALS AND STRATEGIES THAT ENHANCE COLLABORATIVE PUBLIC SAFETY MODELS AND BUILD MEANINGFUL RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE PUBLIC. THE NEIGHBORHOOD SAFETY BIKE TEAM, OR NSBT FOR SHORT, WHICH CREATED AS PART OF THAT REORGANIZATION AND COM IS COMPRISED OF 16 POLICE OFFICERS ASSIGNED TO AREAS SUCH AS OPEN SPACES, PARKS, AND CORRIDORS, AND OTHER AREAS WITH IMMEDIATE PUBLIC SAFETY NEEDS. 11 OF THESE NSBT OFFICERS ARE FUNDED BY MEASURE A AND FY 24 NSBT OFFICERS INITIATED 1,979 CORE CALLS, WHICH CONSIST OF COMMUNITY OUTREACH RESOURCES ARE PROVIDED TO THE COMMUNITY AND EDUCATION, UH, OF A PUBLIC SAFETY NATURE. THEY MADE 895 CONTACTS WITH BUSINESSES AND PATROLLED PARKS AND BEACHES IN OVER 818 OCCASIONS AND PARTICIPATED IN 163 COMMUNITY EVENTS. IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT LAUNCHED A JAIL CLINICIAN PROGRAM, WHICH BRINGS A QUALIFIED MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONAL INTO THE LONG BEACH PD JAIL. ON A FULL-TIME BASIS, THE CLINICIAN PROVIDES WELLNESS RESOURCES AND REFERRALS TO ADDRESS HOUSING AND OTHER NEEDS. UH, INMATES MAY BE EXPERIENCING TO AID IN REENTRY AND REDUCE RECIDIVISM. MEASURE A ALSO PROVIDED $2.9 MILLION IN ONE-TIME FUNDS FOR [01:00:01] COMMUNICATIONS TECHNOLOGY, SPECIFICALLY MEASURE A SUPPORTED DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS TO MOTOR ROAD PUBLIC SAFETY RADIO, WHICH ENHANCES OFFICER SAFETY AND PROVIDES OFFICERS WITH THE ABILITY TO COMMUNICATE WITH OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS AS WELL AS WITH OTHER STATE, COUNTY AND LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AND FIRE AGENCIES. LASTLY, MEASURED A SUPPORTED ONE-TIME FUNDING OF $2.4 MILLION FOR A TWO YEAR OUTREACH. INNOVATIVE WORKING, UH, INITIATIVE, WORKING WITH THE INTERDEPARTMENTAL TEAMS, WHICH INCLUDED THE PUBLIC WORKS CLEAN TEAM AND HEALTH DEPARTMENT OUTREACH WORKERS TO CONDUCT ONGOING OUTREACH, ENGAGEMENT AND CLEANUP ACTIVITIES ALONG THE CITY'S RIVERBEDS. MEASURE A PROVIDED FUNDS FOR OVERTIME FOR QUALITY OF LIFE OFFICERS AND VEHICLES THAT CAN MORE EASILY ACCESS THE RIVERBEDS. WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE THE VITAL SERVICES THAT MEASURE A FUNDS ALLOW THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO PROVIDE OUR, UH, FOR OUR COMMUNITY. THIS CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION AND WE ARE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY, CLERK, CAN YOU PLEASE CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? IF ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM NOW. NO PUBLIC COMMENT CHAIR. OKAY. MEMBERS, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, COMMISSIONER AMY, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF OUR ACADEMY GRADUATES THEN JOIN LONG BEACH POLICE DEPARTMENT? UH, CAN YOU WHAT PERCENTAGE OF ACADEMY GRADUATES YES. JOIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. YES. I, I I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT PERCENTAGE, UH, TODAY, BUT I CAN, I CAN RESEARCH THAT FOR YOU. THAT'S OKAY. IS IS A LARGE PART. YEAH. WELL, IT WOULD BE, YEAH, IT WOULD BE ALL. EVERYBODY WHO JOINS THE POLICE ACADEMY IN ESSENCE JOINS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. OKAY. I, I THOUGHT YOU MEANT IN TERMS OF GRADUATION RATE. THANK YOU. OKAY. ON KIND OF ON THE SAME THREAD, HOW MANY OF THOSE GRADUATES ARE WE RETAINING FIVE YEARS OUT OR SO IF YOU HAVE THAT, THAT WOULD BE A NUMBER I DON'T HAVE, UH, AT, AT HAND RIGHT NOW, BUT WE CAN GET THAT, UH, OKAY. INFORMATION FOR YOU BECAUSE I KNOW, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF DEPARTMENTS ARE HAVING AN ISSUE RECRUITING AND RETAINING, AND ONE OF THE BIG REASONS FOR THIS WAS TO HELP WITH RECRUITMENT AND TO RETAIN MORE OFFICERS. AND IF WE'RE, YOU KNOW, EXPANDING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE RECREATING THE SOUTH, UH, UH, SOUTH AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE BRINGING ON MORE OFFICERS. I'M JUST WONDERING HOW MUCH IS IT REALLY HELPING TO BRING IN OFFICERS AND KEEP THEM HERE? WELL, I WOULD SAY, UH, JUST REALLY QUICK, UH, THE EFFORTS THAT, UH, HAVE UNDERGONE HERE HAVE REALLY ASSISTED IN BRINGING ON ONBOARDING NEW OFFICERS. BUT THROUGH THE TRAINING PROGRAM OF THE ACADEMY, THE FIELD TRAINING PROGRAM AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, UH, YOU WOULD STILL HAVE TO PASS THOSE MM-HMM . UM, UM, NOT COURSES, BUT EVOLUTIONS IN YOUR TRAINING PROGRAM. MM-HMM . AND GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS IS JULISSA, JOSE MURRAY, BUREAU CHIEF FOR BUSINESS OPERATIONS WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. UM, OUR TEAM IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PERSONNEL AS WELL AS AS FINANCES FOR THE DEPARTMENT. SO I GET TO SEE THOSE NUMBERS ON OUR ATTRITION. UM, AND THE HARDEST PART FOR US IN TERMS OF RETENTION FOR PEOPLE GOING THROUGH THE ACADEMY IS REALLY, UH, GETTING THEM THROUGH THE ACADEMY AND GETTING THEM THROUGH FIELD TRAINING. AND THAT IS AN ISSUE THAT MOST DEPARTMENTS HAVE. IT IS THE ACADEMIES ARE DIFFICULT AND FIELD TRAINING IS NOT FOR EVERYBODY. UH, BUT ONCE WE GET PEOPLE THROUGH THAT, UM, MOST OF THE DEPARTMENT'S ATTRITION IS REALLY RELATED TO RETIREMENTS AND PEOPLE THAT HAVE MADE A CAREER OR ARE PRETTY WELL THROUGH, UH, THEIR CAREER WITH THE ACADEMY. WE SEE A FEW, I WOULD SAY LESS THAN A HANDFUL, PROBABLY A YEAR OF PEOPLE, UH, FIVE YEARS OR LESS. THAT IS NOT RELATED TO THE ACADEMY. IT'S SOMETHING THAT GENERATIONALLY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WOULD SAY. WE HAVEN'T SEEN, MOST PEOPLE STAYED WITH A DEPARTMENT FOR MOST OF THEIR CAREER. WE ARE SEEING A LITTLE BIT OF A CHANGE IN THAT. IT'S NOT USUALLY IN THE FIRST FIVE YEARS. UH, AND WE HAVEN'T SEEN A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF THAT WE ARE, WE MAKE, WE KEEP OUR PEOPLE BY AND LARGE, I WOULD SAY. THANK YOU BOTH. YOU'RE WELCOME. OKAY. UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY, BEING NONE, CLERK, PLEASE CALL FOR VOTE. MEMBER HOWARD. IT, I'M NOT ON HERE. RIGHT THERE. IT'S COMING UP. I CAN TAKE A VERBAL IF YOU NEED ME TO. THERE YOU GO. MOTION CARRIES. [01:05:01] THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY, SO IF WE CAN FOR OUR CONVERSATION EARLIER, READ ITEM NUMBER SEVEN FIRST, IF WE CAN DO THAT FIRST AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND DO NUMBER SIX. ITEM SEVEN IS A RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE, RECEIVE, AND FILE A REPORT ON PUBLIC SAFETY PERSONNEL BUDGET AND MEASURE A FUNDING SUPPORT. OKAY. CAN I GET A MOTION ON THIS ITEM? [7. 25-55405 Recommendation to receive and file a report on Public Safety Personnel budget and Measure A funding support.        Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] ALRIGHT. IT HAS BEEN MOVED BY OCHOA AND SECONDED BY EMMY, UH, MEMBER EMMY STAFF. IS THERE A REPORT OR PRESENTATION FOR THIS ITEM? THERE IS NOT A REPORT OR PRESENTATION FOR THIS ITEM, BUT JUST TO NOTE THAT THIS IS INFORMATION PROVIDED AT, UH, THE CHAIR'S REQUEST AND AT THE ADVICE OF OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, WE HAVE INCLUDED IT FOR ALL THE CAC TO SEE. SO THAT IS WHY IS IT INCLUDED AS AN AGENDA ITEM TODAY. SO I GUESS THAT WAS YOUR PRESENTATION. UH, SO WITH THAT, UH, CLERK, CAN WE PLEASE CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS ITEM? IF ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM. NOW. THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMENT HERE. OKAY. SO IF I CAN GO AHEAD AND JUST ADDRESS WHY I ASKED FOR IT AND THEN WE CAN GO IN AND ASK, UH, AROUND THE ROOM IF ANYBODY WANTS TO HAVE ANY COMMENTS. UM, THE MAIN REASON I'M TRY, I WAS TRYING TO ASK WAS MY UNDERSTANDING OF MEASURE A HAS ALWAYS BEEN THAT IT WAS INTENDED FOR ADDITIONAL POLICE AND FIRE POSITIONS. WE ALL KNOW THAT WE WANTED AND NEEDED BACK IN THE DAYS IN 20 12, 13, 14, WE HAD A LOT OF BOTH AND WE LOST A LOT DUE TO BUDGET. AND THIS WAS ONE OF THE TOUTS OF MEASURE A WAS TO INCREASE OUR PERSONNEL AND THAT MEASURE A WOULD SUPPORT ADDITIONAL POSITIONS. SO I WAS ASKING FOR, UH, THE NUMBERS SO THAT WE COULD SEE, UH, THE NUMBERS AND GROWTH OF OUR POSITIONS AS WELL AS THE RELIANCE, UH, ON MEASURE A TO PAY FOR, UH, THE SALARIES FOR THE POLICE AND FIRE. WHEN YOU LOOKED AT FISCAL YEAR 20, I THINK IT WAS 23, AND I THINK EVEN 24 ON THE OPERATIONAL DOLLARS, OVER 70% OF MEASURE $8 WERE GOING TOWARDS THE POSITIONS. AND MY UNDERSTANDING WASN'T THERE WASN'T THAT MANY INCREASES. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE OVERALL NUMBERS FROM, UH, I ASKED TO GET BACK THE BASELINE OF WHAT 2016 WAS. UH, AND ON THE POLICE THERE WAS 1166 POSITIONS. TODAY WE'RE AT 12 29 52, THE FULL-TIME EQUIVALENTS, AND THAT'S ALL POSITIONS. UM, SWORN HASN'T GONE UP THAT MUCH, BUT THE REST OF STAFF HAS, UH, THAT'S AN INCREASE OF ABOUT 63 POSITIONS. UH, YET THE, UH, MEASURE A IS PAYING FOR ABOUT 140 POSITIONS. SO IT'S PAYING FOR A LOT MORE. SO I AT LEAST WANTED THIS INFORMATION SO THAT WE AS A COMMITTEE COULD SEE THAT IT IS PAYING FOR MORE THAN THE ADDITIONAL POSITIONS. IT'S PAYING FOR SOME OTHER ONES. UM, UM, OR THERE'S BECOME MORE OF A RELIANCE ON MEASURE A TO PAY FOR THE POSITIONS, THUS LEAVING LESS MONEY FOR INFRASTRUCTURE. UM, AND THEN WE JUST HEARD WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY FOR INFRASTRUCTURE AND IT'S GETTING WORSE AND WORSE AND WORSE. SO I'M GOING TO LEAVE IT THERE AND SEE IF THE COMMITTEE HAS ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS OF THE DATA THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US. UM, UM, CHAIR, I, I THINK IN THE, UM, IN THE BOOKLET, IT, IT SAYS 107 POSITIONS. UM, NOT 140 ARE BEING SUPPORTED, BUT EVEN THAT AS WELL IN EXCESS OF, OF THE, THE INCREMENTAL NUMBER OF, OF, UM, POSITIONS. OH, NO, BUT RIGHT HERE, THAT'S, NO, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SAYING WE'RE SUPPORTING HERE IS, AND THAT SAYS ONE. OKAY. SO THERE'S A LITTLE DISCONNECT THEN BETWEEN THOSE FIGURES, PERHAPS ON PAGE THREE OF SECTION, I'M LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS OF IT SHOWS IN THE, UH, SPREADSHEET. IF WE COULD PULL IT UP, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. IS THERE A WAY TO PULL IT UP? UM, YES. CHAIR, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THIS WITH OUR TECHNOLOGY TEAM TO ACTUALLY PULL UP AS ON THE SCREEN, BUT I CAN CLARIFY THE COMMITTEE MEMBER'S QUESTION. AS FAR AS THE 1 0 7, THE, UH, LAST PRESENTATION WE SAW BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WAS BASED OFF FY 24 USES OF MEASURE A OF WHICH 107 POSITIONS WERE MAINTAINED OR OTHERWISE WOULD'VE BEEN LOST WITH, UH, PRIOR YEAR BUDGET CUTS WITH MEASURE A. SO THAT NUMBER OF 1 0 7 IS THE POSITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MAINTAINED OVER THE [01:10:01] YEARS. UH, THE CHAIR CREWS CALLED OUT THE 140 POSITIONS IN PD THAT IS FY 25 MAINTAINED AND ENHANCED POSITIONS. SO IT'S GONE UP FROM 1 0 7 TO ONE 40, WELL, 1 0 7 TO ONE 10, AND THEN ALL THESE OTHER ONES THAT WERE ADDED. SO THESE ARE SUPPORTED, I'M SORRY. OKAY. SO I WAS JUST SHOWING HER THAT THE ROW THAT THEY'RE SHOWING THAT YOU SAID THE SWORN POSITIONS PRESERVED 1 0 7 TO ONE 10, AND THEN THOSE OTHER POSITIONS WERE WHAT WAS HIGHLIGHTED THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY ADDED, UH, THE SOUTH DIVISION, THE ACADEMY STAFFING THE QUALITY OF LIFE UNIT, THAT NEIGHBORHOOD BIKE TEAM THAT HE SAID. SO IN TOTAL FISCAL YEAR 25 IS 140 POSITIONS, UH, THAT WERE SUPPORTED. PLUS THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL, I THINK THREE NON POSITIONS THAT WERE SUPPORTED. SO IT LOOKS LIKE 143. SO FOR ME IT'S, IT'S ABOUT 80 POSITION DIFFERENCE VERSUS, UH, VERSUS, UH, WHAT WE HAD IN BACK IN 2016. BUT ALSO, UM, BEYOND THAT, THAT DISCREPANCY OR THAT DIFFERENCE, UM, I WENT IN AND, UM, LOOKED AT THE, UM, THE FTES AND THE, THE TOTAL PAYROLL IN BOTH THE FIRE AND THE THE POLICE TO CREATE AN AVERAGE, UM, PAYROLL PER EMPLOYEE PER PER FTE, UM, OVER THE 2017 TO TO 2025. AND OF COURSE THERE'S REALLY LARGE, UM, INCREASES AND THAT OF COURSE COMPROMISES, UM, WHATEVER EFFECT MEASURE A CAN HAVE IN HELPING, UM, HELPING, YOU KNOW, SUPPLEMENT THOSE, THOSE RESOURCES. SO FOR EXAMPLE, IN FIRE IN 2017, THE, THE, UH, AVERAGE PER FTE WAS 188,000. AND IN 2025 IT WAS 290. AND IN POLICE IN, UM, 2017 IT WAS 156,000. AND IN, IN 2017 AND IN 2025 IT'S 232,000. SO THAT IS REALLY EATING INTO EVERYBODY'S ABILITY TO, YOU KNOW, GENERAL FUND PLUS MEASURE A TO. YEAH, UH, THAT'S A GREAT COMMENT. UH, COMMITTEE MEMBER, AND I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY A REALLY GOOD COMMENT AS HOW MEASURE A'S FUNDING POSITIONS, SORRY, THIS IS A LITTLE LOUD. UM, AS FAR AS HOW WE APPROACH THESE POSITIONS, WE DO IN THE CITY COUNT FOR BUDGETARY POSITIONS. WE CALL 'EM FULL-TIME EQUIVALENTS, WHICH IS THE FULL COST WHICH YOU HAVE CALLED OUT WHERE ONE POSITION IN ONE YEAR VERSE FIVE YEARS LATER. THERE'S A LOT OF GROWTH BECAUSE OF CALPERS PENSIONS, UH, GENERAL LIABILITY, THERE'S A LOT OF JUST ONGOING GROWTH OF MAINTAINING A POSITION FOR MEASURE A. ALTHOUGH WE HAVE COUNTS, THESE ARE NOT ACTUAL BODIES THAT ARE BUDGETED IN THE MEASURE A FUND. WE ONLY USE 'EM AS EQUIVALENT. AND HOW THAT WORKS IS THE YEAR IT'S ADDED, THE FUNDING IT NEEDS TO PRESERVE IN THAT YEAR DOES NOT INCREASE YEAR OVER YEAR. SO I COULD TAKE AN EXAMPLE FOR LET'S SAY THE, UM, POLICE, UH, SOUTH DIVISION WHERE WE DID ADD THOSE POSITIONS OR MAINTAIN THOSE POSITIONS. IN FY 17, YOU'LL SEE THAT MEASURE A IS FUNDING 1.5 MILLION TO RESTORE THOSE POSITIONS, AND IT HOLDS AT 1.5 MILLION TILL TODAY. SO MEASURE A IS NOT COVERING THE GROWTH OF THE, THE WAGE OR ANYTHING ACROSS THE FTE, WHICH THESE NUMBERS OF MEASURE A SUPPORTED POSITIONS ARE JUST MORE OF POSITIONS THAT WERE MAINTAINED AT THE TIME IT WAS FUNDED. SO WE DON'T ACTUALLY INCREASE MEASURE A YEAR OVER YEAR BASED OFF THEIR NEW WAGES OR SALARIES. IT DOES NOT PAY PAY FOR WAGE INCREASES. SO IF, IF I UNDERSTAND THAT IF THEY, IF SOMEBODY'S MAINTAINED IN 2017, THEY'RE, THEY'RE MAINTAINED, THEY'RE PUT IN THE BUDGET AT 156, AND THEN IF SOMEBODY'S MAINTAINED IN 2020, THEY'RE PUT IN THE BUDGET AT 178 OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS, CORRECT? CORRECT. AND THAT CARRIES FORWARD AND STAYS AT THAT AMOUNT, CORRECT? THAT'S ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. OKAY. THAT'S INTERESTING. OKAY. YEAH, AND IT'S ONLY BECAUSE WE DON'T ACTUALLY BUDGET TOWARDS FUNDING THE FULL FTE, IT'S ACTUALLY JUST TRYING TO PRESERVE THAT SERVICE. AND THAT'S WHY IT'S MORE OF A SNAPSHOT IN TIME OF WHAT THAT POSITION COSTS. THAT'S THE FUNDING LEVELS AND WE PRESERVE IT STRUCTURALLY THROUGHOUT. SO WE DO NOT, SO ACTUALLY MEASURE A IS ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTING LESS THAN, THAN WHAT THEY'RE PROBABLY BEING PAID, ESPECIALLY BY, BY COULD BE BY A LARGE MEASURE. IF IT'S SOMEBODY THAT WAS BEING MAINTAINED IN, IN FROM 2017 AND YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, I MEAN, LET'S, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GETTING THAT AMOUNT, BUT IF THEY WERE MAINTAINED AT 1 56 AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY GETTING 2 32, THEN MEASURE A IS REALLY NOT CONTRIBUTING THE FULL MEASURE OF THEIR RIGHT. IT'S COMPENSATION. IT'S NOT REALLY THE EQUIVALENT OF THE FULLY FUNDING OF THE POSITION. IT'S MORE OF THOSE POSITIONS WERE MADE POSSIBLE AND HELD DUE TO MEASURE A AS THE, THE COST OF THE POSITION GROWS. THAT'S PART OF OUR ANNUAL BUDGET PROCESS TO NOW B BUDGET OR BALANCE THE BUDGET AND SOLVE FOR THESE ONGOING GROWTH [01:15:01] OF EXPENDITURES, WHICH IS ALWAYS AN ONGOING CHALLENGE AS EXPENDITURES WILL ALWAYS GROW FASTER THAN REVENUES THAT COME IN. SO YEAR TO YEAR, WE GO THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS TO MAKE THE DECISION ON HOW TO, UH, APPROACH EACH BOUNCE BUDGET. BUT THEN THAT'S ALSO HOW THE, THE THE, THE ALLOCATION FOR MEASURE A IS TAKEN FOR THOSE FUNDS FOR PUTTING THAT FROM MEASURE A INTO THE GENERAL FUND OR INTO THE PERSONNEL FUND. I DON'T KNOW HOW IT WORKS. THAT'S, IT'S, IT'S DONE AT THOSE, AT THOSE STEP LEVELS. IS THAT CORRECT? AS, AS FAR AS THESE POSITIONS, THE FUNDING LEVEL DOLLAR AMOUNT WOULD BE THE COMMITMENT TO THOSE POSITIONS. OKAY. SO IT WOULD HOLD, AND THOSE WOULD BE THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS THAT MEASURE A WOULD FUND. OKAY. WELL THAT'S INTERESTING. AND I CAN HAND IT OVER TO OUR DIRECTOR, KEVIN, TO ADD TO THAT COMMENT. YEAH. CHAIR THROUGH YOU. MAY I ADDRESS A COUPLE OF ISSUES THAT MEMBER HOWER RAISED, UM, IN ADDITION TO THE, UM, BASE YEAR IN WHICH THE POSITIONS WERE RETAINED, THERE'S A TECHNICAL PIECE TO THOSE TOTAL DOLLAR AMOUNTS YOU LOOKED AT THAT'S IMPORTANT. UM, I DON'T WANT THE COMMITTEE TO LEAVE WITH THE IMPRESSION THAT A FIREFIGHTER RECEIVES $232,000 EACH YEAR. ABOUT ONE FIFTH OF THE, OF THE FULLY LOADED COST OF BOTH THE POLICE OFFICER AND A FIREFIGHTER. ANY SWORN PERSONNEL, EITHER THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OR THE UM, POLICE DEPARTMENT. ABOUT ONE FIFTH OF THAT TOTAL FULLY LOADED COST IS ACTUALLY THAT POSITION'S SHARE OF THE UNFUNDED ACCRUED LIABILITY CHAIR CREWS AND YOUR CPA. HERE WE GO. IT'S THAT POSITION'S SHARE OF THE UNFUNDED ACCRUED LIABILITY BUILT UP OVER MANY YEARS IN THE CITY'S CALPERS SAFETY PLAN FOR PENSIONS. SO IT'S, THAT IS NOT COMPENSATION GOING TO THAT EMPLOYEE. ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? HOWARD? CITY ACCOUNTING IS SO STRANGE. YOU GUYS HAVE NO ARGUMENT FROM THE STAFF. . OKAY. I THINK, UH, THAT WAS IT FOR THE COMMENTS. SO THEN, UM, CLERK, CAN WE PLEASE CALL FOR A VOTE TO RECEIVE THE ITEM? MOTION CARRIES. OKAY. PERFECT. SO NOW LET'S GO AHEAD AND GO BACK TO ITEM NUMBER SIX. IF YOU CAN PLEASE READ THAT ITEM. ITEM SIX IS A RECOMMENDATION TO DISCUSS ANTICIPATED AD HOC COMMITTEES FOR UPCOMING PROJECTS, AND IF APPROPRIATE, TAKE ACTION TO DISSOLVE, CREATE OR REAUTHORIZE AD HOC COMMITTEES. [6. 25-55347 Recommendation to discuss anticipated Ad Hoc Committees for upcoming projects; and, if appropriate, take action to dissolve, create or reauthorize Ad Hoc Committees.        Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] OKAY. CAN I GET A MOTION ON THIS ITEM? IT HAS BEEN MOVED BY MEMBER HOWARD AND SECONDED BY MEMBER OCHOA. OKAY. STAFF, IS THERE A OR PRESENTATION FOR THIS ITEM? NO, THERE IS NONE. OKAY. WITH THAT, IF Y'ALL DON'T MIND, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND READ SOMETHING. 'CAUSE WHEN I BROUGHT THIS UP, I'VE BEEN HAVING A LOT OF THINKING OVER THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF OR TWO YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN ON THIS, AND SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I WAS VERY CLEAR WITH WHAT I SAID. SO I TYPED UP SOMETHING THIS MORNING, IT'LL MAKE IT A LOT EASIER. SO I'M JUST GONNA READ IT REAL QUICK, UH, TO THE COMMITTEE AND THEN, AND THEN I'M GONNA GO AROUND AND ASK FOR THOUGHTS AND COMMENTS. UM, BUT THE, THE REASON WE HAD THE WORKSHOP AND THE REASON WE WERE TRYING TO MEET THE LAST TIME AND GET THIS INFORMATION AND THAT WE WERE ASKING FOR THE INFORMATION ON BOTH THE ASSESSMENTS, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY'S BEING SPENT, OUR CURRENT POSITIONS, THE BUDGETS AND ALL THAT IS I I JUST THINK ABOUT WHEN MEASURE A WAS PROPOSED IN 2016, IT WAS ALWAYS TOUTED AS AN INFRASTRUCTURE SALES TAX. IT WAS A NEED TO IMPROVE THE CITY'S INFRASTRUCTURE, WAS THE CONSISTENT MESSAGE FOR MOST ARGUMENTS FOR MEASURE A, INCLUDING FIXING POTHOLES. I REMEMBER THAT ONE, THE BIG OLD POTHOLE AND RE PAVING OUR STREETS AND ROADS, UPGRADING STORM DRAINS TO PREVENT TOXIC POLLUTION FROM CONTAMINATING LOCAL WATER RESOURCES AND BEACHES, REPAIRING NEIGHBORHOOD FIRE AND POLICE STATIONS, UPGRADING COMMUNITY CENTERS, NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS AND LIBRARIES. SO THEY ARE CLEAN AND SAFE. YES, THERE WAS SOME MESSAGING TO USE FUNDS TO INCREASE FIRE AND POLICE PERSONNEL. AND AS I SEARCHED THE WEB FOR PRO MEASURE A MATERIAL, I FOUND THIS JOINT LETTER FROM OUR LAST THREE MAYORS PRIOR TO CURRENT MAYOR, UH, GARCIA FOSTER AND O'NEILL. THE LETTER STATES VERY CLEARLY WHAT I SAW AS THE OBJECTIVE AS A VOTER OF MEASURE A. [01:20:01] OUR CITY IS FACING TWO PRESSING CHALLENGES. HOW WE ADDRESS THESE CHALLENGES WILL DETERMINE THE KIND OF CITY WE LEAVE TO FUTURE GENERATIONS. THE FIRST CHALLENGE STATED IN THE LETTER IS THE $2.8 BILLION IN UNFUNDED STRUCTURE NEEDS TODAY. WE JUST HEARD IT'S 3.5 BILLION. WHILE THE CITY CURRENTLY SPENDS MORE THAN $65 MILLION A YEAR ON CAPITAL INFRASTRUCTURE, IT SIMPLY IS NOT ENOUGH TO MEET OUR NEEDS. MANY OF OUR STREETS, SIDEWALKS, AND ALLEYS ARE IN DESPERATE NEED OF REPAIR. WE ALSO HAVE A TREMENDOUS NEED TO UPGRADE WATER SYSTEMS FOR CONSERVATION AND STORM DRAIN SYSTEMS FOR NEIGHBORHOOD PROTECTION AND WATER QUALITY. EVERY YEAR WE FAIL TO MAKE NEEDED INVESTMENTS, THE COST TO UPGRADE OUR PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE INCREASES. OUR SECOND CHALLENGE IS THE NEED TO HIRE ADDITIONAL POLICE TO COMBAT INCREASING CRIME RATES THAT ARE CLIMBING ACROSS THE STATE AND TO RESTORE FIRE STAFFING TO MAINTAIN 9 1 1 PARAMEDIC RESPONSE TIMES AT STATIONS ACROSS THE CITY IN 2016. THE ORIGINAL ASK WAS FOR 10 YEARS. AND IN 2020, WE, WE, THE VOTERS APPROVED TO MEASURE, TO EXTEND MEASURE A INDEFINITELY. LET ME BE CLEAR, I STRONGLY SUPPORT MEASURE A AND WHAT IT IS ORIGINALLY WAS DESIGNED TO SUPPORT. I AGREED TO BE PART OF THIS COMMISSION BECAUSE OF THE PROMISE OF WHAT MEASURE A COULD DELIVER TO OUR CITY AND OUR COMMUNITY. IT IS THE COMMISSION'S JOB OR COMMITTEE'S JOB TO PERIODICALLY REVIEW THE CITY'S USE OF REVENUES GENERATED BY THE TAX AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL. WITH REGARD TO THE USE OF SAID TAX SINCE DAY ONE, I'VE ASKED TWO BASIC AND FOUNDATIONAL QUESTIONS. ARE MEASURE A INVESTMENTS IMPROVING OUR INFRASTRUCTURE? ARE MEASURE A FUNDS PAYING FOR ADDITIONAL POLICE AND FIRE, OR IS IT JUST ANOTHER WAY TO SWAP DOLLARS? SO AFTER OUR WORKSHOP OR RETREAT, AS WE CALLED IT IN TODAY'S MEETING, I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE TWO THINGS. FIRST, THAT WE ASK THE CITY AUDITOR TO EXPAND ITS CITY AUDIT AS PROPOSED NINE MONTHS AGO, THAT WE WOULD CONFIRM THE MOST RECENT ASSESSMENT OF EACH TYPE OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND ASSESS IF AND HOW THE CITY'S INFRASTRUCTURE IS IMPROVING. AND TO CONFIRM THAT MEASURE $8 ARE ONLY BEING SPENT ON ADDITIONAL POLICE AND FIRE POSITIONS COMPARING 2016 TO THE CURRENT BUDGET. SECONDLY, THAT WE DRAFT A LETTER TO THE MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL AND CITY MANAGER ASKING FOR OUR BUDGET TO ADDRESS THE QUESTIONS. OUR LETTER SHOULD ASK THE CITY TO PROVIDE FUNDING TO CONDUCT REGULAR ASSESSMENTS EVERY THREE TO FIVE YEARS, OR WHATEVER'S THE NORM OF EACH INFRASTRUCTURE TYPE. AND THAT WE ARE PROVIDED ANNUAL REPORTS COMPARING THE MOST RECENT ASSESSMENT WITH A PRIOR ASSESSMENT TO DETERMINE IF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS IMPROVING. LASTLY, THAT WE ONLY SPEND MEASURE A FUNDS FOR ADDITIONAL POLICE AND FIRE POSITIONS ONLY. MEASURE A IS NOT ANOTHER GENERAL FUND, IT IS INTENDED TO IMPROVE INFRASTRUCTURE AND ADD ADDITIONAL POLICE AND FIRE POSITIONS BEYOND 2016. THE WORK OF THIS COMMISSION IS IMPORTANT AND INSTRUMENTAL TO MONITOR THE IMPLEMENTATION AS INTENDED AND UNDERSTOOD BY VOTERS. SO I REMAIN HONORED TO BE PART OF THIS EFFORT, BUT ALSO I FEEL COMPELLED TO BRING FORWARD MY OBSERVATIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS. WITH THAT, I'M JUST GONNA OPEN IT UP TO THE OTHER COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND IF YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT TODAY. OH, OKAY. UM, CHAIR, I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE THE PARTICULAR AGENDA ITEM THAT IS AT ISSUE, WHICH IS TO DISCUSS ANTICIPATED AD HOC COMMITTEES FOR THE UPCOMING PROJECTS. AND SO THE TWO REQUESTS THAT YOU MENTIONED IN TERMS OF EXPANDING THE AUDITOR'S, UM, PRIOR AUDIT, AND THEN THAT LETTER, I JUST WANT TO KIND OF PULL IT BACK TO WHAT THE PARTICULAR AGENDA ITEM IS. IF THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL ITEMS, WHICH THE, I BELIEVE THE AUDIT MAY FALL OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY TALKING ABOUT. UH, UNLESS THERE ARE, UNLESS YOU ARE GETTING TO MAKING A SUGGESTION AS TO THE AD HOC COMMITTEES TO DISCUSS THOSE TWO SUGGESTIONS. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS WHAT YOU WERE INTENDING. [01:25:01] MY INTENT WAS BACK IN MARCH WHEN I ASKED, I SAID I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS TO SEE WHAT THE NEXT STEPS WERE AFTER THE RETREAT, AND THEN AS WE ASKED FOR THIS EXTRA INFORMATION TO GET ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND THEN WHAT THE NEXT STEPS, WHETHER IT WAS GOING TO INCLUDE AD HOC COMMITTEES OR EVEN, AND WE DID MENTION IT AND TALK ABOUT IT IN MARCH, WHETHER WE WERE GONNA DRAFT A LETTER, SEE WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH THE AUDIT OR WHATEVER. I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR THE AUDIT NINE MONTHS AGO. THE CITY AUDITOR CAME IN AND TOLD US THAT THEY WERE GONNA BE CONDUCTING AN AUDIT AND THAT THE, AND THAT THEY WOULD GIVE US SOMETHING. THE SCOPE WAS JUST TO LOOK AT THE OVERALL COSTS AND EXPENDITURES. AND I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR AN UPDATE AND WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN AN UPDATE AND I HAVE NOT CALLED THE CITY AUDITOR. I'VE JUST BEEN TRYING TO GO THROUGH STAFF ASKING Y'ALL GUYS TO FIND THAT OUT AND WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANYTHING. SO IF WE WANNA SAY THAT WE'RE GONNA CREATE AN AD HOC COMMITTEE THAT'LL MEET NEXT WEEK TO LOOK AT THESE ISSUES, THEN WE COULD DO THAT. MAYBE IF THAT MAKES IT MORE PLIABLE FOR YOU TO SAY THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING WHAT WE DID, I'M OPEN TO THAT. BUT THEN I WOULD SAY THAT I WOULD HOPE THAT WE COULD DO SOMETHING WITH AD HO AD HOC COMMITTEE BECAUSE THE BUDGET PROCESS IS GOING, AND I THINK IF WE DON'T GET OUR INPUT IN THERE, ARE WE GONNA SEE ANOTHER 70 30 SPLIT OF OUR CURRENT DOLLARS? IF I RECALL, WE'VE GOT A BUDGET, AND I WROTE DOWN THOSE NUMBERS, BUT THAT THE, IN JULY, THE CITY MANAGER'S GONNA PROVIDE A BUDGET TO THE MAYOR. SO IN MY MIND, I WOULD LIKE US TO GET SOMETHING TO THE CITY MANAGER BY THEN, SO THAT AT LEAST THE CITY MANAGER IS AWARE OF WHAT OUR REQUEST IS, SO THAT THEN HE CAN EITHER ADDRESS IT OR NOT. AND IF NOT, THE MAYOR KNOWS AND THE MAYOR CAN ADDRESS IT. IF NOT, THEN COUNCIL CAN ADDRESS IT. BUT IN THE END, IT'S ABOUT BEING TRANSPARENT THAT FROM WHAT I'M SEEING, WE'RE NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT WERE WHAT, WHAT WE VOTED FOR. THANK YOU FOR THAT COMMENT. UM, IN TERMS OF THE FIRST REQUEST REGARDING THE AUDITOR TO, UM, YOU KNOW, TO TOUCH BASE WITH THE AUDITOR, I KNOW THAT, CAN YOU USE, CAN YOU USE THE MIC? OH, THANK YOU. SORRY, IT'S A LITTLE LOUD. UM, I KNOW THAT WE DISCUSSED ADDING AN AGENDA ITEM FOR THE NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING TO, UM, BRING THE AUDITOR BACK. I KNOW THAT THAT WAS, UM, UM, I THINK THE WAY THAT WE WANTED TO GO WITH, WITH THE REQUEST FOR THE AUDITOR, UNFORTUNATELY, JUST DUE TO TIMING CONSTRAINTS, WE COULDN'T BRING THAT AGENDA ITEM FOR THIS PARTICULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING. SO I THINK THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT FOR THE INQUIRY ABOUT THE, THE STATUS OF THE AUDIT, THAT WOULDN'T BE APPROPRIATE FOR AN AD HOC COMMITTEE, BUT WE CERTAINLY CAN WORK WITH STAFF TO BRING THAT AS AN AGENDA ITEM FOR THE NEXT SCHEDULED, UM, MEETING REGARDING THE SECOND REQUEST FOR A LETTER TO COUNCIL OR THE CITY MANAGER, UM, THAT MIGHT BE ACTUALLY APPROPRIATE FOR AN AD HOC COMMITTEE. SO, UH, IN TERMS OF WHAT THE QUESTION, THE RECOMMENDATION BEFORE THE, UM, THE COMMITTEE RIGHT NOW IS TO BASICALLY DETERMINE IF, UM, AD HOC COMMITTEE WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THAT. IT MIGHT BE YOU WOULD NEED TO DISCUSS THAT AMONGST YOURSELVES AND THAT TO DETERMINE EXACTLY WHAT THE SCOPE OF THAT COMMITTEE WOULD BE. SO ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT WHEN THE CITY AUDITOR, AN INDEPENDENT AGENCY OR GROUP CAME IN AND TOLD US WE'RE GONNA CONDUCT AN AUDIT, THEY INTERVIEWED EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US AND THEY INTERVIEWED THE PAST COMMISSIONERS. AND SO TODAY WE JUST WANT TO CLARIFY SCOPE WITH THEM THAT WE CANNOT DO THAT. WE CAN'T ASK LIKE OFFICIALLY HERE BECAUSE OF WHY. OH NO, YOU ABSOLUTELY CAN. IT JUST HAS TO BE, UM, A NOTICED AGENDA ITEM, WHICH IT IS UNFORTUNATELY NOT FOR THIS PARTICULAR MEETING. I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A, A REQUEST AND A DISCUSSION WITH STAFF AND THE CHAIR TO HAVE THAT ADDED TO THIS PARTICULAR AGENDA ITEM. HOWEVER, DUE TO TIMING CONSTRAINTS, WE CAN'T, HOWEVER WE CAN BRING IT TO THE NEXT, UH, AS WE CAN BRING IT AS AN AGENDA ITEM FOR THE NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING. AND SO THAT IT, IT'S NO ISSUE IN TERMS OF WHAT THE REQUEST IS. IT'S JUST IN TERMS OF WHAT THE PARTICULAR AGENDA ITEM THAT IS AT ISSUE RIGHT NOW, THAT THE COMMITTEE IS ABLE TO CONSIDER AND VOTE ON, UM, THE REQUEST TO BRING THE AUDITOR AND, AND CONSIDER THAT IT'S JUST OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE. AND SO WHAT'S THE FASTEST WAY THAT WE CAN AT LEAST ASK THE QUESTION? SURE. SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE AGENDA FOR, WE CAN SEE IF, UM, THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE IS AVAILABLE TO COME TO THE NEXT, UM, UH, NOTICE FOR THE NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED COMMITTEE MEETING. AND OUR NEXT MEETING IS WHEN, AUGUST 27TH. SO ON AUGUST 27TH, WE WOULD TALK TO THEM AND ASK THEM TO, IF THEY COULD DO THIS, AND THEN THEY WOULD SAY, OH NO, [01:30:01] WE JUST COMPLETED IT. UH, AND THEN WE'D HAVE TO DO ANOTHER AUDIT. SO THEN IT WOULD BE ANOTHER SIX TO NINE MONTHS TO A YEAR BEFORE WE GET AN ANSWER. I, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE TIMING OF THE, THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE. WHAT I CAN SAY IS THAT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE JUST A PROPERLY NOTICED AGENDA ITEM. UH, YES, CHAIR. UH, IN THE SPIRIT OF CLARIFICATION, THE CITY AUDITOR DID NOT PROMISE TO DO AN AUDIT OF MEASURE A. THE CITY AUDITOR PROMISED TO DO A REPORT ON HOW THE MEASURE A TRANSACTIONS AND USE TAX CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE INTERACTS WITH THE BUDGET PROCESS. AND THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO COME OUT WITH A REPORT, THEY INTERVIEWED YOU, UH, BUT THEY'RE NOT DOING AN AUDIT. SO CAN I THEN SAY THAT WE WANNA DRAFT A LETTER TO THE CITY MANAGER, COUNCIL AND MAYOR, WHICH I BELIEVE THAT'S WITHIN OUR REALM TO DO. AND SINCE YOU DISCUSSED IT, AND WE WOULD INCLUDE THOSE TWO QUESTIONS THAT I SAID, BUT THEN ALSO ASK FOR AN AUDIT TO BE CONDUCTED BY THE CITY AUDITOR THAT WOULD ADDRESS THOSE TWO, THOSE THREE QUESTIONS BECAUSE IT'S JUST A CITY, IT'S A REQUEST TO THE COUNCIL, MAYOR, AND CITY MANAGER. ONE POTENTIAL WAY TO ADDRESS THAT REQUEST IS TO HAVE THE LETTER, UM, WORKED ON DURING AN, THE AD HOC COMMITTEE, AND THEN YOU CAN PUT THAT REQUEST IN THE LETTER AS THIS IS AN ADVISORY BODY. SO I'M GONNA ASK YOU GUYS IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY THOUGHTS OR COMMENTS. I MEAN, IN MY MIND, IF, IF OUR HANDS ARE BEING TO, WERE, WE'RE BEING DIRECTED THAT THE WAY WE CAN DO THIS IS THROUGH AN AD HOC COMMITTEE TO WRITE A LETTER AND THEN WE DRAFT A LETTER, UM, I WOULD SAY THAT, UH, WE WOULD ESTABLISH THAT COMMITTEE DO IT RELATIVELY QUICKLY, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT THEN WE WOULD CALL FOR A SPECIAL MEETING THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO APPROVE IT OR FIGURE OUT SOME WAY LEGALLY THAT WE CAN ALL APPROVE IT OR GIVE THE AUTHORITY TO THE AD HOC COMMITTEE TO DRAFT THAT LETTER AND SUBMIT IT TO THE CITY MANAGER BEFORE JULY BEFORE HE ISSUES OUT THE BUDGET TO THE MAYOR. I MEAN, AND YOU, YOU GUYS, IF YOU, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? WELL, UH, I DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AN, UH, UH, AD HOC COMMITTEE. 'CAUSE I'M SORT OF TORN. I, I DON'T WANNA SAY THAT WE'RE IN FAVOR OF PERFORMING AN AUDIT, WHICH IS GONNA BE A COST UNLESS WE KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE. AND, AND SO I THINK A COMMITTEE WOULD BE ABLE TO DISCUSS THAT. OCHOA OR HOWARD, UH, I'M NOT ENTIRELY CLEAR ON THE TIMING. IF WE HAD AN AD HOC COMMITTEE AND IT DRAFTED A LETTER, THEN WHAT IS THE TIMING TO PRESENT THAT LETTER? I'M, I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE PROTOCOL WELL ENOUGH. CAN HE, CAN WE ASK FOR A, AN INTERIM MEETING LIKE, UM, THE CHAIR WAS ASKING, SO STAFF WILL STILL HAVE TO BE PRESENT AT AD HOC COMMITTEE MEETINGS, BUT IT WOULD BE LESS FORMAL THAN THIS SETTING. THE TIMING OF TRYING TO GET A LETTER INTO THE BUDGET PROCESS BEFORE, UH, JULY 3RD WHEN THE CITY MANAGER PRESENTS HIS BUDGET TO THE MAYOR, UH, WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT CHALLENGING. BUT I WOULD ALSO RECOMMEND THAT THE ALREADY SCHEDULED AUGUST 27TH MEETING WOULD STILL BE APPROPRIATE TO SUBMIT A LETTER. AND SO YOU CAN USE A TIMEFRAME BETWEEN NOW THE CREATION OF THE AD HOC COMMITTEE MEETING AND AUGUST FOR THE AD HOC COMMITTEE TO BRING THEIR LETTER TO THE FULL CAC COMMITTEE TO THEN TRANSMIT IT TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR, YOU KNOW, THAT SAME DAY, AUGUST 27TH, OR, UM, APPROPRIATE TO SEND THAT UP. SO YOU COULD SPEND THE NEXT TWO MONTHS DRAFTING THE LETTER. UM, WE CAN DISCUSS AND, UH, PUT IN PLACE A SCHEDULE AND FREQUENCY OF THE AD HOC COMMITTEE MEETINGS. AND THEN THAT AD HOC COMMITTEE CAN BRING THE LETTER TO THE CAC ON AUGUST 27TH FOR US TO TRANSMIT UP TO THE CITY MANAGER AND COUNCIL. AND MAYOR, CAN I ASK A QUESTION OF HOW BIG, QUOTE UNQUOTE, THE AD HOC COMMITTEE CAN BE? BECAUSE THEORETICALLY, TWO OF US CAN JUST TALK PER THE BROWN ACT, BUT DOES IT HAVE TO BE AN AD HOC COMMITTEE? AND IS, IS THE AD HOC COMMITTEE GONNA BE LIMITED TO TWO PEOPLE OR CAN IT BE ALL THREE OR FOUR OF US, OR HOW DOES THAT WORK? CAN ALL FOUR BE ON AN AD HOC COMMITTEE? I BELIEVE THAT IT'S TWO RIGHT NOW, BUT I CAN CONFIRM THAT [01:35:01] NUMBER. SO IT, ONCE THE AD HOC COMMITTEE IS APPROVED, I CAN CONFIRM THE, THE TOTAL NUMBER OF MEMBERS, BUT WE CAN MEET BY OURSELVES THEN, RIGHT? 'CAUSE IT'S NOT A BROWN ACT. IF I SAT DOWN WITH, WITH, WITH, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBER HOWARD AND SAT DOWN AND TALKED AND WE DRAFTED UP SOMETHING, WE LEGALLY COULD DO THAT, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE'RE NOT A QUORUM AND WE'RE NOT VIOLATING THE BROWN ACT. AND WE COULD SIT DOWN, TYPE UP ONE AND THEN PRESENT IT TO QUOTE UNQUOTE THE AD HOC COMMITTEE TO REVIEW AND EDIT AND APPROVE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. UM, OCHO I THINK YOU HAD, WERE YOU WANTING TO SAY ANYTHING? UH, I KIND OF WAS GONNA ASK THE SAME QUESTION AS, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBER HOWER ABOUT THE TIMELINE, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT AD HOC MEETING WOULD HAVE TO BE SOMETIME JUNE, JULY AND THEN AUGUST. WE WOULD COME BACK WITH LANGUAGE FOR THE COMMITTEE TO REVIEW AND THEN SUBMIT IF WE APPROVE OF IT. UM, BUT I, I THINK STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS GOOD TO, UH, ESTABLISH THAT AD HOC FOR THAT TIME AND THEN, UH, INSERT THOSE THINGS INTO THE LETTER FOR THE REVIEW AT THE AUGUST MEETING. UH, MY CONCERN IS TIMING. I WAS HOPING, WHEN WE ORIGINALLY SET THESE MEETINGS UP, AND I BELIEVE IF YOU RECALL, REBECCA, WHEN WE SET UP THE AUGUST 27TH MEETING, IT WAS AN OPPORTUNITY IN WHICH, UH, THE MEASURE THIS COMM COMMITTEE COULD BE UTILIZED AS PART OF THE BUDGET HEARING PROCESS. AND I THINK IF WE HAD DRAFTED AND SUBMITTED A LETTER AT LEAST SAYING, HEY, YOU KNOW, MEASURE A WAS TOUTED AS AN INFRASTRUCTURE BILL, AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE 70%, UH, PAYING OPERATIONS, UH, POLICE AND FIRE POSITIONS, AND 30% IS ONLY GOING TOWARDS INFRASTRUCTURE. AND WE HAVE NO PROOF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE'S, UM, UH, GETTING BETTER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, AND ASKING FOR FUNDING FOR THAT ASSESSMENT ON A REGULAR BASIS, ASKING FOR THE THINGS THAT WE WOULD BE ASKING IT THEN GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO VOICE THEIR OPINION. YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. OR NO, WE LIKE IT THE WAY IT IS. WE WANNA CONTINUE DOING THIS. SO IF WE DO AN AD HOC COMMITTEE, MY MY GOAL IS THAT WE MEET RELATIVELY QUICKLY AND SOMEHOW WE ADOPT IT AND BE ABLE TO MOVE IT FORWARD SO THAT IT GETS INTO THE PROCESS AND GETS INTO THE PUBLIC VIEW. I WOULD LIKE IT TO BE OUT BY JULY 3RD. IF NOT, THEN WE CAN DO IT AFTER JULY. BUT AT LEAST BEFORE THE MAYOR ISSUES OUT THEIR BUDGET, BECAUSE WE KNOW A BUDGET'S BEEN IN PREPARATION, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT SINCE LAST YEAR, , IT'S ALWAYS THAT WAY. AND IT'S, IT'S FIVE YEAR PROJECTIONS AND YOU'RE JUST REWORKING NUMBERS AND REWORKING IT. SO I KNOW IT'S A COMPLICATED PROCESS, BUT I WOULD LIKE US TO GET ON RECORD SO THAT AT LEAST I KNOW THAT THE CITY MANAGER KNOWS WE'VE BEEN ASKING THESE QUESTIONS. THERE'S NO IF, ANDS AND BUTS, I MEAN, WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT MORE ATTENTION FROM STAFF LATELY. SO THE QUESTION IS, IS HOW CAN WE GET IT OFFICIALLY OUT THERE IN THE BUDGET PROCESS? WE SHOULD BE DRAFTING A LETTER AT LEAST TO ADDRESS THE QUESTIONS AND ISSUES OF HOW MEASURE A FUNDS ARE BEING SPENT. THAT'S MY OPINION AND THOUGHT. SO IS THERE A WAY FOR US TO MEET NEXT MONTH, GET SOMETHING DRAFTED? CAN WE CIRCULATE IT TO MEMBERS FOR A, WHAT DO YOU CALL, LIKE AN EVO TO GIVE YES, I AGREE WITH THE LETTER AND IT SHOULD COME FROM US, OR COULD IT BE JUST A LETTER FROM THE AD HOC COMMITTEE THAT IT COULD BE DRAFTED IN BECAUSE IT, IT'LL TAKE US A FEW HOURS. IT WON'T TAKE US TWO MONTHS OR THREE MONTHS. I MEAN, I COULD SIT DOWN TONIGHT AND I THINK WE COULD TAKE SOME OF THIS AND TAKE SOME WORDINGS OUT OF IT, BUT, UH, IT'S GONNA TAKE US AN HOUR OR TWO TO DRAFT SOMETHING. AND, AND I GUESS I'M ASKING THE QUESTION TO, TO THE, TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S REP, AS FAR AS WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO GET SOMETHING WHERE WE CAN DRAFT A LETTER TO PUT IT INTO THE PROCESS OF THE BUDGET, THE SOONER THE BETTER. YEAH, AND I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE, THE TIMING AND THE URGENCY THAT IS BEING RAISED BY THE CHAIR. I WOULD SAY THAT, UM, THE AUGUST 27TH MEETING TO BRING THAT LETTER BACK AT THAT TIME IS CONSISTENT WITH BUDGET PROCESSES. UM, FOR EXAMPLE, THE BOC MAKES THEIR RECOMMENDATION, UM, MEANING THE BUDGET OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE BRINGS THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS AROUND THAT TIME AS WELL. SO IT WOULD BE CONSISTENT ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF TIMING AS TO WHEN BUDGET RECOMMENDATIONS ARE BEING MADE. GO AHEAD OF THE, UM, THE BUDGET COMES OUT ON AUGUST 15TH, IS THAT CORRECT? UM, OR THE, UM, THE NEXT STEP IT'S COMES TO, UH, ON, THERE'S AN AUGUST 15TH, [01:40:01] UH, DATE. WHAT IS THE, THE BUDGET WILL BE PUBLIC. SO THE MAYOR MAYOR'S RECOMMENDATIONS IN ADDITION TO THE CITY MANAGER'S BUDGET WILL BE LIVE INTO THE PUBLIC BY AUGUST 2ND. AND THEN THE BUDGET IN ITS ENTIRETY WILL HAVE TO BE ADOPTED BY SEPTEMBER 15TH. SEPTEMBER 15TH. SO THAT WOULD GIVE MAYBE THREE WEEKS. I WONDER MAYBE THERE'S SOME WAY OF PULLING THE AUGUST 27TH MEETING, MAYBE A LITTLE FORWARD, MAYBE A WEEK TO AUGUST 15TH OR SOMETHING, JUST TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE TIME FOR THEM TO CONSIDER WHATEVER WE, WE, UM, WE DO PUT OUT. MY CONCERN IS, UH, IN THE TIMING OF THAT AND WAITING TILL AUGUST 15TH, AUGUST 27TH OR WHATEVER, IS THAT YOU CAN SEE OUR GRAND AUDIENCE OF PEOPLE HEARING THIS CONVERSATION. AND IN THE TWO AND A HALF YEARS I'VE BEEN HERE, WE HAD ONE PUBLIC SPEAKER. AND THAT WAS BECAUSE I ENCOURAGED HER TO COME IN AND SPEAK HER MIND. SO THERE IS NO AUDIENCE, THERE IS, IN MY MIND, THERE IS NO, NO COMMISSION. UM, SO I WOULD AT LEAST LIKE TO SOMEHOW SUBMIT A LETTER THAT IT IS PUBLIC. AND SO THEN THAT WAY THE CONVERSATION IS ABOUT THAT LETTER AND THE RECOMMENDATION. IF WE WAIT UNTIL THAT DAY, THEN WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO? DO, I DON'T THINK Y'ALL WOULD WANT US TO BE CALLING PRESS AND TELLING HIM, OH, PLEASE COME AND LISTEN BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA DO THIS AND HERE'S A DRAFT OF THE LETTER THAT WE'RE GONNA SUBMIT OUT THERE. IT STARTS BECOMING, WE'RE WE'RE NOT WORKING AS PART OF THE CITY. AND I, I, I FEEL LIKE WE ARE , YOU KNOW, WE SUPPORT THE CITY. WE SUPPORT THIS MEASURE. WE SUPPORT THE POLICE AND FIRE, WE SUPPORT ALL THE THINGS. WE JUST, I BELIEVE JUST TRYING TO BE MORE TRANSPARENT. AND IT IS NOT OUR DECISION HOW THESE MONIES GET SPENT. IT IS NOT, IT IS THE COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR WHO HAVE TO MAKE THOSE HARD DECISIONS. BUT IT IS OUR JOB THAT WE SHOULD HIGHLIGHT AND BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING. I DID NOT KNOW THAT 70% OF THE DOLLARS WERE PAYING FOR POLICE AND FIRE UNTIL I SAT ON THIS COMMISSION. NOW I KNOW THAT I DID NOT KNOW, WE DIDN'T SEE IMPROVEMENTS ON INFRASTRUCTURE UNTIL NOW. SO JUST A LITTLE MORE CLARIFICATION. SO THE BUDGET OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE THERE, WHEN DO THEY SUBMIT THEIR COMMENTS TO, UM, TO WHOMEVER THE MAYOR? UH, WHO ARE THEY THE COUNCIL, WHO ARE THEY SUBMITTING IT TO? YES, IT'S TO THE MAYOR AND THE CITY COUNCIL. OKAY. AND THEY'LL CONDUCT BUDGET OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE MEETINGS. UM, THE SCHEDULE THIS YEAR IS JULY 22ND, AND THEN EVERY TUESDAY IN AUGUST, ALL THE WAY UP UNTIL ADOPTION NIGHT. AND SO AT THE END OF THOSE BUDGET OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE MEETINGS ON ADOPTION NIGHT, THEY'LL COMPILE THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS AND SUBMIT THEM TO THE COUNCIL THE SAME DAY. SO THEY'LL HAVE THOSE TO READ AND THE COUNCIL WILL, UM, BRING THEM UP DURING THAT MEETING AS WELL. OKAY. UM, SO THEY, THEY HAVE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SET OF OF RESPONSIBILITIES AND POWERS THAN, THAN WE DO. YES. YES. IS THERE ANY WAY OF WORKING WITH THE BUDGET OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE ON SOME OF THESE CONCERNS? UM, SO I MENTIONED THE BUDGET OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE, JUST IN TERMS OF THE TIMING OF IT AND TO HELP MAYBE ASSUAGE ANY CONCERNS THAT YOU WOULD BE SORT OF LEFT OUT OF THE BUDGET RECOMMENDATION PROCESS. UM, THE BUDGET OVERSIGHT CAN MANY CONSIST OF, UM, THREE, UM, OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. SO THERE WOULDN'T BE ANYTHING THAT WOULD, I COULD FORESEE THERE BEING. SURE, OKAY. SOME SORT OF LIKE COLLABORATION THERE, UHHUH, , UH, AND BEYOND THE FACT THAT YOUR LETTER WOULD EVENTUALLY BE MAKING ITS WAY BACK TO COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO ARE ON THE BUDGET OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE. SO, AND, AND DO YOU THINK THAT, THAT IF, IF WE HAD THE MEETING ON AUGUST 15TH OR AUGUST 27TH, THAT THERE WOULD ACTUALLY BE TIME FOR THEM TO REVIEW IT AND CONSIDER WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE SAYING OR PROPOSING OR, OR RECOMMENDING. IS THAT A REALISTIC, UM, OR IS IT, OR IS IT NOT ENOUGH TIME IN YOUR OPINION? YEAH, I THINK THAT STAFF WOULD NEED TO LOOK AT CHAMBER AVAILABILITY IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE FOR A SOONER AUGUST MEETING. BUT WHAT I CAN SAY IS THAT IT CERTAINLY WOULD BE ADEQUATE TIMING FOR CITY COUNCIL TO REVIEW IT, UM, AT IF, UM, BROUGHT BACK TO THIS COMMITTEE FOR THE AUGUST 27TH SCHEDULED MEETING. WELL, OKAY. AND SO ARE WE ELIMINATING THE OPTION OF THE AD HOC COMMITTEE MEETING IN JUNE THAT WE JUST HAVE A MEETING FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF REVIEWING AND APPROVING THE LETTER AS A COMMITTEE IN JUNE AND SUBMITTING THAT? SO ARE YOU TELLING US THAT WE CAN'T CALL A [01:45:01] SPECIAL MEETING FOR THE COMMISSION AND IT, IT DOESN'T EVEN HAVE TO BE IN PERSON. WE COULD DO IT ZOOM OR SOMETHING AND WE GET THE LETTER 72 HOURS IN ADVANCE? WE, EVERYBODY GETS AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW IT AND THEN WE GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY YAY NAY, AND THEN AT LEAST SUBMIT IT. 'CAUSE I WOULD LIKE IT TO BE SUBMITTED AT LEAST IN, IN, IN THE END OF, BY THE END OF JUNE, SO THAT AT LEAST IT'S OUT THERE AND IT CAN BE PART OF THE PROCESS BECAUSE THE BUDGETING OVERSIGHT HAS BEEN PART OF THE PROCESS FOREVER AND A DAY. WE HAVE NEVER INSERTED OURSELVES IN THE PROCESS. WE'VE NEVER QUESTIONED HOW MEASURE A FUNDS WERE BEING SPENT. THAT IS WHAT THIS COMMITTEE IS SUPPOSED TO BE ADDRESSING, HOW OUR MEASURE A FUNDS BEING SPENT. SO CAN WE CALL A SPECIAL SESSION ZOOM FOR 15 MINUTES ? YEAH, IT WOULD HAVE TO FOLLOW THE STANDARD NOTICE AND MEETING PROTOCOLS THAT WE HAVE FOR ANY REGULARLY SCHEDULED, UM, MEETING OR IF YOU'RE SUGGESTING A SPECIAL MEETING. I MEAN, WE DID HAVE THIS SPECIAL MEETING CALLED FOR IN MARCH THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WEREN'T ABLE TO GO FORWARD ON, UM, BUT NOT ZOOM UNFORTUNATELY. SO I THINK THAT THE COMMITTEE WOULD JUST HAVE TO HAVE A REALLY CLEAR UNDERSTANDING AS TO THE TIMELINE THAT THAT AD HOC COMMITTEE WOULD BE WORKING UNDER BECAUSE, AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO DETERMINE STAFF AVAILABILITY, UM, AND CHAMBER AVAILABILITY FOR A SPECIAL MEETING. GO AHEAD. OCHOA. I THINK JUST IN RECOGNITION OF, YOU KNOW, HAVING TO GET CHAMBER AVAILABILITY, STAFF AVAILABILITY, I THINK THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION WOULD BE THROUGH THE AD HOC AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE CALL A SPECIAL SESSION LATER IN JULY OR SOMETHING IF NEEDED. BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE WE CAN GET THIS TO THE PEOPLE WE WANT TO SEE IT, UH, BY JUST KEEPING WITH THE AUGUST MEETING. AND SO I THINK IN LIGHT OF OUR AVAILABILITY STAFF'S AVAILABILITY, CHAMBER AVAILABILITY, UH, IT WOULD BE EASIER TO JUST DO THE AD HOC, WRITE THE LETTER THERE, BRING IT TO COUNCIL FOR AUGUST TO APPROVE IT IN AUGUST AND SEND IT. BECAUSE WE'LL STILL HAVE SOME TIME IT SOUNDS LIKE, TO GET IT DONE. I DON'T WANT TO SOUND LIKE I'M BEING INFLEXIBLE HERE. , AND, AND, AND, AND I HEAR YOU. AND, UM, I'M FINE. I THINK AT THIS POINT I JUST FEEL LIKE IT IS A VERY COMPLICATED PROCESS TO BE TRANSPARENT. I BELIEVE IT'S, I I AM WILLING TO DRAFT A LETTER TONIGHT AND THEN SEND IT FOR REVIEW TO WHOEVER'S GONNA BE ON AN AD HOC COMMITTEE. WE CAN SIT ON AN AD HOC COMMITTEE. 'CAUSE IT'S JUST TWO OF US ANYWAY. SO, UH, WE'LL MEET WITH STAFF. HOPEFULLY YOU CAN FIND 30 MINUTES SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION. 'CAUSE AGAIN, IT'S OUR LETTER, SO IF STAFF NEEDS TO SEE IT, OKAY, THAT'S FINE. THEY'LL SEE IT. BUT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE COMING FROM THE COMMISSION. UM, I, I JUST, I JUST SEE IT'S SO COMPLICATED TO JUST GET THAT OUT. I, I, IT JUST MAKING IT SO COMPLICATED. SO CAN I, AS THE CHAIR GO IN AND GO TO EVERY BUDGET COMMITTEE OVERSIGHT AND, AND GIVE A FIVE MINUTE SPEECH WITH A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION TALKING ABOUT MEASURE A AND WHAT I UNDERSTAND TODAY. IS THAT GONNA BE FAIR? WELL, THE WORK OF THE COMMITTEE HAS TO COME THROUGH THE REGULARLY NOTICED MEETINGS. SO DOING A SORT OF ROAD SHOW AS YOU PROPOSE TO THE DIFFERENT BOC MEMBERS, I DON'T SEE THAT BEING AS TO HOW THIS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WORK OF THE COMMITTEE IS CONDUCTED. IT'S THE LETTER AND THE LETTER BEING DELIVERED, YOU KNOW, TO CITY COUNCIL BY WAY OF THE CITY MANAGER THAT IS THE VEHICLE AND THE AUTHORITY IN WHICH THIS COMMITTEE IS ABLE TO MAKE THOSE PROVIDE THAT, THAT ADVICE AS AN ADVISORY BODY. AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT REALLY TRYING TO BE UNDULY COMPLICATED. THERE IS JUST A PARTICULAR PROCESS HERE THAT WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO ACCOMMODATE IT. WHAT WHAT I'M REALLY HEARING IS THE, IN THE, THE INTENT TO BE INVOLVED IN A SUBSTANTIVE WAY IN THIS BUDGET PROCESS. WHAT STAFF IS SAYING IS THAT BRINGING THE LETTER BACK ON THE AUGUST 27TH MEETING WILL BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THAT GOAL TO BE PART OF IT. YOU KNOW, UH, IF IT'S ALIGNED, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF ON PAR WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE BOC IS MAKING. THEN I THINK SIMILARLY YOU CAN FIT IN AND, AND HAVE THAT BE CONSIDERED WITH, WITH, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERED WITH A SIMILAR TIMING. SO, UM, AND JUST A NOTE ON THE AD HOC. SO WE CAN HAVE TWO, BUT, AND YOU DON'T EVEN NEED TO HAVE IT STAFFED FOR THIS PARTICULAR TYPE OF PROJECT. SO THAT WILL GIVE THE TWO MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE GREATER FLEXIBILITY [01:50:01] AS TO, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY'RE, WHEN THEY WANNA MEET. IT WOULD JUST BE UP TO THE TWO, TWO PEOPLE. UM, AND THEN WHEN THE LETTER IS COMPLETED WOULD BE BROUGHT AS A REGULAR AGENDA ITEM ON THE NEXT COMMITTEE. AND JUST TO, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE'VE GOTTEN A BROWN ACT, UM, UH, TRAINING VERY RECENTLY, BUT THE REASON WHY WE ONLY HAVE TWO IS TO AVOID ANY SORT OF BROWN ACT VIOLATION. AND ONE OF THOSE WOULD BE DAISY CHAIN. SO WHOEVER THE TWO ARE DESIGNATED, THE OTHER TWO JUST HAS TO STAY OUTTA THAT CONVERSATION TO AVOID ANY UNINTENDED DAISY CHAIN, UM, COMMUNICATION ON THIS PARTICULAR LETTER THAT, UM, WOULD VIOLATE THE BROWN ACT. SO I THINK YOU JUST HAVE TO KNOW THAT MAYBE THREE OF YOU ARE REALLY ITCHING TO WORK ON THIS, BUT ONLY TWO UNFORTUNATELY ARE ABLE TO AND CHAIR. UM, UH, I, I THINK PART OF THE FRUSTRATION HERE IS THIS IS A NEW PROCESS FOR US. AND IF WE, IT'S, I THINK IT'S, IT'S, WE NEED TIME TO ESTABLISH THE PROCESS AND THEN ONCE IT'S ESTABLISHED, THEN GOING FORWARD IT'LL BE MUCH EASIER TO DO THIS. AND I THINK YOUR, YOUR, YOUR FRUSTRATION IS THAT WE'RE A LITTLE LATER THAN WE WANT IT TO BE IN GETTING THE PROCESS ESTABLISHED. YOU KNOW, IN, IN THE BEST OF ALL POSSIBLE WORLDS. WE WOULD'VE BEEN CONSIDERING THE LETTER AT THIS MEETING. BUT, UM, BUT I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT WE'RE, WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH IT AND, UM, ONCE IT'S ESTABLISHED, IT'S, YOU KNOW, ALL SYSTEMS GO. OKAY, SO THEN LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH YOUR AD HOC COMMITTEE AND, AND I'M GONNA SUGGEST THAT YEAH, ONCE WE ESTABLISH THE AD HOC COMMITTEE, WHICH I HOPE I CAN BE PART OF IT GUYS. UM, AND I HAVE A THOUGHT THAT AT LEAST AS WE ADDRESS IT, THAT MAYBE, UM, WE CAN INCLUDE ONE OR TWO EXHIBITS THAT WE'VE LEARNED OR SEEN THAT HAVE SUMMARIZED THAT STAFF HAS PREPARED FOR US. I THINK THEY'RE ALREADY BEEN POSTED IN PUBLIC ANYWAY. SO ONCE WE WRITE THAT LETTER AND THEN PRESENT THOSE THINGS, THAT STAFF THEN WOULD HAVE SOME OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT IT AND SAY, YEP, WE AGREE WITH THIS. THIS WAS DATA THAT WE PROVIDED TO THE COMMITTEE AND THEREFORE IT'S LEGIT. BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA COME BACK AND SAY, NO, THAT'S NOT RIGHT. THAT DATA'S BAD. BUT I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH DATA TO AT LEAST SHARE THE POINTS AND BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT IT. AND AGAIN, THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY MAYOR, THEY HAVE TO MAKE THE HARD DECISION. THAT'S NOT OUR DECISION HOW WE SPEND MEASURE $8. IT'S JUST HIGHLIGHTING WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY IS NOT SUSTAINABLE AND IT IS NEVER GONNA IMPROVE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE. AND THAT'S WHAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO DO WITH MEASURE A. SO, UM, I GUESS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE AD HOC COMMITTEE. WHO ELSE WOULD BE INTERESTED IF Y'ALL ARE OKAY THAT I'M, ARE YOU, ARE Y'ALL OKAY WITH THE TWO OF US? YES. OKAY. YOU SAID YOU I'M MORE THAN WILLING. YEAH. TWO, TWO FINANCIAL. YEAH. SO DUMMIES, HERE ARE Y'ALL. THEN I GUESS WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT MYSELF AND UH, COMMITTEE MEMBER HOWARD WOULD GET TOGETHER, DRAFT A LETTER, PUT TOGETHER THE THING, AND THEN WE COULD SCHEDULE A MEETING IN A WEEK OR TWO WITH YOU GUYS. IF Y'ALL WANNA PUT SOMETHING ON THE CALENDAR, GIVE US A TARGET DATE. 'CAUSE I KNOW I CAN PUT A DRAFT TOGETHER, SEND IT, I CAN SEND IT TO HER INDEPENDENTLY AND SHE CAN REVIEW IT. AND THEN WE CAN MEET SOMETIMES IN THE, I CAN DRAFT IT BY THIS WEEKEND AND GET IT TO YOU FIRST THING IN THE MORNING OR MONDAY OF NEXT. AND THEN SHE LOOKS AT IT AND THEN WE MEET AS A GROUP WITH STAFF SO THAT THEY CAN SEE WHAT WE'RE THINKING. AND THEN AT LEAST IT'S DONE. AND THEN WE'LL FIGURE OUT, I GUESS IF IT'S ALL THE WAY TO AUGUST, IT CAN SIT, UH, AROUND FOR TWO MONTHS BEFORE IT GETS APPROVED BY THE COMMITTEE. BUT AT LEAST WE GET IT OUT OF THE WAY. CAN WE MEET AS A COMMITTEE TO LOOK AT THIS LETTER WITHOUT ANNOUNCING IT TO THE PUBLIC AND NO. SO, SO, UM, UM, THE AD HOC COMMITTEE WOULD BE THE WORK GROUP FOR THAT LETTER TO DISCUSS WHAT IT MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT SAY TO FINALIZE IT, KICK BACK DRAFTS AND, AND REACH A, A FINAL, UM, VERSION. SO THE TWO COMMITTEE MEMBERS WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO, UM, PROVIDE ANY INPUT BECAUSE AGAIN, IT WOULD BE A DAISY CHAIN WHEN THE SAME CONVERSATION IS HAD INDIVIDUALLY. IT, IT'S AS IF YOU'RE ALL HAVING THE SAME DISCUSSION AT THIS, YOU KNOW, TOGETHER. UM, AND SO JUST FOR, IN TERMS OF JUST PROCEDURE, PROCEDURE AND HOUSEKEEPING, UM, YOU WON'T NEED TO MEET WITH THE AD HOC COMMITTEE, DOES NOT NEED TO MEET WITH THE STAFF, AND IT WOULD JUST BE BETWEEN THE TWO AD HOC COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO DRAFT A LETTER, HOWEVER THEY PLEASE. AND NO STAFF INPUT IS NEEDED ON THAT. SO I, I KNOW YOU MENTIONED TO ESSENTIALLY RUN IT BY STAFF IS SORT OF HOW I HEARD IT, [01:55:01] BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARY FOR THE AD HOC COMMITTEE TO DO THAT. YOU CAN WORK AMONGST YOURSELVES TO CREATE THE LETTER TO WHATEVER ITERATION, A DRAFT OR FINAL VERSION, AND THEN BRING IT TO THE NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING TO BRING IT TO THE COMMITTEE TO THEN REVIEW IT AND DISCUSS IT OPENLY. AND THAT COULD BE A SORT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN WORKSHOP IT THERE. SO IF THE TWO OTHER COMMITTEE MEMBERS HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS FOR ADDITIONS, RETRACTIONS, ET CETERA, THAT COULD BE DONE ON THE FLOOR DURING THE, UM, DURING THAT COMMITTEE MEETING. AND SO IT'LL BE SORT OF LIKE A WORKING AGENDA ITEM IN THAT WAY. BUT, BUT THE REST OF THE COMMITTEE SHOULD NOT, A COMMISSION SHOULD NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THAT LETTER UNTIL NO, SIR. THAT'S RIGHT. YES. AND YOU'LL GET IT 72 HOURS BEFORE, SO YOU GET THE TIME TO OFFER YOUR EDITS. AND THEN MAYBE WE CAN HAVE A WAY WHERE YOU CAN IMMEDIATELY JUST RUN DOWN THAT IF YOU HAVE ANY CHANGES OR THOUGHTS OR YOU THINK IS INCORRECT, YOU COULD, UM, YEAH. AND THOSE PARDON THE INTERRUPTION, BUT THOSE SUGGESTIONS AND PROPOSED CHANGES CAN BE RAISED DURING THE MEETING RIGHT. WITH RIGHT. JUST DURING THE DISCUSSION AROUND THAT AGENDA ITEM. RIGHT. RIGHT. YEAH. AND, AND I WOULD LIKE US TO AT LEAST, BECAUSE I, I HAVE SOME THOUGHTS ON HOW TO TAKE SOME OF THAT DATA AND MAKE IT SIMPLER AND EASIER TO SEE. SO I WOULD LIKE STAFF TO AT LEAST LOOK AT THE ATTACHMENTS TO CONFIRM OR GET COM YES. THAT THEY'VE BEEN REVIEWED AND THEY AGREE WITH THE NUMBERS ON THERE BECAUSE IT'S NOTHING MORE THAN JUST TAKING THE DATA THAT WE HAVE AND THAT WE GOT IN THE LAST TWO, THREE MEETINGS AND, AND PRESENTING IT. AND, AND I HAVE SOME, I STARTED TWEAKING SOME ALREADY. SO IF, IF WE COULD DO THAT AND THEY'LL HAVE TWO MONTHS TO REVIEW IT, AND IF AS LONG AS THEY GIVE US THAT, IF THEY WANNA MODIFY IT, I, THEY WOULD MODIFY IT BEFORE WE SEND IT TO STAFF. SO THEY, THEY'LL HAVE TIME IF WE GIVE THEM SOMETHING IN TWO WEEKS. RIGHT. TWO WEEKS, YEAH. WE CAN REVIEW. YEAH. IS TWO WEEKS ENOUGH? YEAH, TWO WEEKS WOULD BE ENOUGH. YEAH. BUT STILL TO , UH, FOR STAFF TO RE WE CAN REVIEW AND TO, TO REITERATE, UM, ASHLEY'S SENTIMENT ABOUT, WE DON'T HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, APPROVE ANYTHING. IT WOULD, IF YOU JUST WANNA RUN ANYTHING BY US OR BE A THOUGHT PARTNER, WE'RE HAPPY TO BE A PART OF THAT. UM, BUT THE MORE WORKFLOW PROCESS WOULD BE WHEN WE GET TO THE REGULAR MEETING WHERE WE WILL, YOU'LL SUBMIT IT TO US, WE'LL MAKE SURE IT'S AGENDIZED FOR THE CLERK AND WE'LL KIND OF GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS. SO THAT WOULD BE MORE OF THE FORMAL WORKFLOW FOR US TO, TO PUT IN. YEP. OKAY. SO DO WE NOW NEED A MOTION TO ESTABLISH AN AD HOC COMMITTEE WITH ROLANDO AND HOWARD AS ITS MEMBERS, UH, TO DRAFT A LETTER FOR REVIEW FOR THE NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING TWO AND A HALF MONTHS FROM NOW? YEAH, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE A FRIENDLY MOTION. VERY MUCH. AND WE, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO DIAL IN ON WHAT THE PARTICULAR SCOPE OF THE AD HOC COMMITTEE IS. SO A LETTER REGARDING OR LETTER TO, UM, SO THAT IT COULD BE CLEAR FOR THE AGENDA. WELL, IT'S OF OUR FINDINGS OR OUR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR ALLOCATION. SO IT WOULD JUST BE EXACTLY WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT. THE, THE POINTS THAT I MADE, YOU KNOW, ALLOCATION OF WHAT I DO DO. YEAH, I WROTE IT DOWN, I LOST IT. DO WE HAVE TO BE SPECIFIC WHAT, WHAT THE AD HOC COMMITTEE IS ADDRESSING? WE WOULD NEED TO STATE WHAT THE SCOPE IS. OKAY. SO THE SCOPE IS, IS NUMBER ONE, UH, TO TWO, HOW DO WE, UM, OR TO ASK THE TWO BASIC FOUN FOUNDATIONAL QUESTIONS THAT I'M SAYING MEASURE A INVESTMENTS, IMPROVING OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND OUR MEASURE A FUNDS PAYING FOR ADDITIONAL POLICE AND FIRE PERIOD. AND THEN THEY ASKS OUR, UH, NUMBER ONE DRAFT, IT'S JUST DRAFTING A LETTER TO MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY MANAGER TO ADDRESS THOSE QUESTIONS AND ENSURING THAT THERE IS BUDGET SUFFICIENT TO DO REGULAR ASSESSMENTS. UM, AND, AND, AND, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, AND REQUESTING THE CITY AUDITOR TO, UH, CONFIRM THOSE TWO THINGS. I THINK FOR THANK YOU. JUST FOR CLARITY, UM, PERHAPS IT COULD BE SOMETHING JUST A LOT MORE CONCISE JUST IN TERMS OF AD TO, TO CREATE AN AD HOC COMMITTEE TO CREATE A LETTER REGARDING BUDGET RECOMMENDATIONS. THAT'S FINE. OKAY. AND THEN THAT [02:00:01] CAN ENCOMPASS ANY SUBJECT MATTER THAT YOU DISCUSSED. OKAY. OKAY. SO THAT WOULD BE THE MOTION, THEN A MOTION TO CREATE THE AD HOC COMMITTEE TO DRAFT A LETTER REGARDING BUDGET RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE COMMITTEE, BUDGET RECOMMENDATIONS TO MAYBE SAY, INCREASE THE TRANSPARENCY OF MEASURE A FUND THAT'S BEING SPENT. OKAY. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT. OF COURSE. OKAY. SO IT HAS, THERE'S A, IS IT A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT MOTION MADE MADE BY MYSELF? SO I'VE MADE THE MOTION. SO I NEED A SECOND. I'LL SECOND. OKAY. SO MEMBER OCHOAS HAS SECONDED. SO, UH, DO I HAVE TO ASK FOR MEMBER FOR OPEN PUBLIC COMP? SO, SO LET ME JUST SAY, SO IT'S A MOTION AND A SECOND HAS ALREADY BEEN TAKEN, RIGHT? WE ALL, WE ALL AGREE. SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO AMEND THE MOTION. OKAY. YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO OKAY. A NEW MOTION IN A SECOND. WELL, UN UN UNLESS SOMEONE DISAGREED WITH WHAT WE HAD ALREADY DONE. SO THE MINUTES WILL REFLECT THE AMENDMENT. WE WILL VOTE ON THIS ITEM. OKAY. BUT WE HAVE SKIPPED PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY. SO WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE KIND OF, THIS, THIS BECAME SORT OF THE REPORT AND THE DISCUSSION. BUT LET'S GO AHEAD AND JUST SO WE STAY WITH THE ORDER OF THINGS, LET'S DO PUBLIC COMMENT. BUT THE, THE, UM, YOU'RE VOTING TO FOR THIS RECOMMENDATION AND THE AMENDMENTS THAT WERE JUST MADE ON THE FLOOR, AND THE MINUTES WILL REFLECT THAT THAT IS WHAT THE VOTE WILL BE. BUT WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND IF YOU WANNA CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, IS THAT OKAY? ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU CLERK. CAN WE PLEASE CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT IF ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM NOW AND THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY. SO I THINK WE'RE READY FOR VOTE. SO IF WE, AND, AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, I JUST, JUST WANNA STAY IN ORDER. THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION NEEDED, CORRECT? CORRECT. WE'RE GOOD. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. NOW WE CAN GO AHEAD AND VOTE. MOTION CARRIES. OKAY. OH, I GOTTA CLOSE THIS OFF, DON'T I? SO, UM, AT THIS TIME WE'LL TAKE ANY NON-AGENDA, PUBLIC COMMENTS. CLERK, PLEASE CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. IF ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON A NON-AG AGENDA ITEM, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM NOW. NO PUBLIC COMMENT CHAIR. OKAY. AND CAN I ASK FOR A REQUEST OF STAFF IN THE FUTURE? [PUBLIC COMMENT Opportunity to address the Transactions and Use Tax Citizens' Advisory Committee on non-agenda items. Each speaker is limited to three minutes to make their comments unless extended by the Chair.] AND IS IT APPROPRIATE THAT I CAN ASK FOR SOMETHING HERE? IT'S NOTHING BIG PROMISE YOU, . I WOULD, I WAS JUST WANTING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO GET THIS PACKET INSTEAD OF THAT. OH MY GOD, IT WAS SO COMPLICATED. GOING THROUGH THE SYSTEM, PULLING 'EM UP, PDFS AND ALL THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO GET THE PACKET WHEN WE RELEASE IT, THE 72 HOURS OR WHATEVER. AND I'M MORE THAN WILLING TO DRIVE UP HERE AND PICK IT UP IN ADVANCE BECAUSE I HAVE TO GO THROUGH, YOU KNOW, WRITING LITTLE NOTES AND SLIDE ONE AND SLIDE TWO AND THIS AND THAT AND ALL THAT STUFF, AND GOING [ADJOURNMENT] BACK AND FORTH. I'D RATHER JUST GET THE HARD COPY AND DO THE COMPARISON AND WRITE MY NOTES ON THERE. THAT'S GREAT. YOU, YOU LIKE IT ONLINE? I LIKE IT. I'LL COME AND PICK IT UP, I PROMISE. ? YEAH, WE CAN PROVIDE YOU A PRINTED COPY. JUST GIVE IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. IF THERE'S NO OBJECTION, I DECLARE THE MEETING ADJOURNED. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.