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A HALF DAYS.WELL, SHOULD WE CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER? OH, YES.
UM, WELL, LET'S CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER SINCE IT'S UH, WHAT ABOUT FOUR 15 RIGHT NOW? YEAH, FOUR 18.
UM, SO THE FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR THE POLICY SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING OF MONDAY MAY 12TH, 2025.
UM, IS THERE A MOTION? SECOND.
ALRIGHT, ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? OKAY.
ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WISH TO COMMENT? SECOND ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE A DISCUSSION ON THE DRAFT 2025 HOMELESS SERVICES ADVISORY COMMITTEE, POLICY RECOMMENDATION TO THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.
IS THERE A MOTION I MOVE? SO, GREAT.
SO LET'S DISCUSS, UH, OF COURSE THIS WAS SUBMITTED AND, AND REVIEWED WITH THE ENTIRE SAC.
IN OUR LAST GENERAL MEETING, WE HAD ASKED FOR ANY WRITTEN FEEDBACK.
UM, THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF FEEDBACK IN THE MEETING, BUT THERE WAS NOTHING EXPLICIT TO CHANGE IN THE DOCUMENT.
IT WAS COMMENTS SUCH AS, I'M GLAD YOU'RE FOCUSING ON SHELTER AND INTERIM HOUSING.
UM, I REMEMBER MEMBERS KIND OF REMARKED, OH, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING IN VEHICLES.
THAT WAS INTERESTING, THAT WAS REVEALED, UM, IN THE HOMELESS COUNT.
BUT THERE WASN'T ANYTHING FROM MEMBERS, UM, OF THE COMMITTEE SAYING, CHANGE THIS OR, OR CHANGE THIS ASPECT OF THE DEATH.
UM, SO MAYBE WE SHOULD JUST BRIEFLY GO THROUGH JULIE'S RECOMMENDATIONS TO SEE IF THERE'S, THERE'S ANYTHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULDN'T CHANGE.
SO YES, WE'LL CHANGE THE DATE.
AND I, I HAVE THOSE NUMBERS TOO.
SO FOR THE POINT IN TIME NOW FOR 20 25, 35, 95 PEOPLE WHO WERE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS AND 72.4%, UM, WERE UNSHELTERED, WHICH IS, UM, 2,606.
AND THEN WE'LL ADD IN JULIE, STATISTIC OF 65 TO INDIVIDUALS DIED WHO ARE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS.
AND THEN UNDER THE POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, I NOTICED JULIE HAD INSERTED IN THE FIRST VERY LONG SENTENCE, VERY LONG, UM, WHEN IT TALKS ABOUT THE DANGEROUS EFFECTS OF BEING HOMELESS, WHICH INCLUDE VULNERABILITY TO ASSAULT, MENTAL, AND SHE NOT ANY PHYSICAL HEALTH DETERIORATION, EXPOSURE RELATED ILLNESS SUCH AS HYPOTHERMIA, POOR NUTRITION, AND SHE ADDED AND DEATH.
SO ANY, ANY DISAGREEMENT WITH THOSE CHANGES.
AND THEN CONTINUING ON, UM, SHE ADDED THE EXACT NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE ON THE WAIT LIST FOR SHELTER, WHICH IS, UM, 1,163.
AND THAT, UM, PEOPLE OFTEN WAITED SEVERAL, UH, WELL, YOU HAD CROSSED OUT SEVERAL, THE FOUR, SIX MONTHS FOR LONGER.
I THINK WE SHOULD JUST WRITE SEVERAL AND THEN NOT LONGER OR ANYTHING.
JUST SEVERAL, SEVERAL MONTHS TO BE PLACED IN JUNE, BUT WE DON'T, UM, YEAH.
AND THEN YOU HAD HAD AMENDED AND SAID, LET'S, LET'S MEASURE THE TOTAL NUMBER OF NEW PERMANENT SHELTER BEDS IN THE CITY RATHER THAN EXISTING ONES.
UM, AND JUST A TYPO IN THAT NEXT PARAGRAPH AND COMMON MM-HMM
UM, AND THEN FOR RECOMMENDATION NUMBER TWO, YOU RECOMMENDED, UM, INSTEAD OF SAYING A PROACTIVE PROGRAM TO ALLOCATE TO A PILOT HYGIENE AND SANITATION PROGRAM AND HOW THAT WOULD IMPROVE THE CLEANLINESS OF THE ENCAMPMENTS AND ALSO THE GREATER COMMUNITY YOU ADDED MM-HMM
UM, AND THEN IN THE BULLETS DOWN BELOW, UH, YOU MENTIONED SOMETIMES ENCAMPMENTS ARE CLEANED UP SEVERAL TIMES A WEEK, NOT JUST WEEK AFTER WEEK.
YOU, UM, AND THEN THOSE COLUMNS OF ONE, THE A THOUSAND
UM, AND THEN IN THE SUMMARY, YOU KNOW, KIND OF CROSSING OUT AND JUST, UH, TALKING ABOUT THE PRIORITIES FOR THIS YEAR.
SO WE'RE CROSSING OUT 20 25, 20 26.
AND THEN IN THAT SECOND PARAGRAPH UNDER SUMMARY, UM, ADDING IN THE LAST SENTENCE WHILE IMPROVING THE CLEANLINESS IN NEARBY COMMUNITY.
SO EMPHASIZING IT'S NOT JUST THOSE ENCAMPMENTS THAT ARE BENEFITING,
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BUT THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.WE'RE ALL DOING OUR BEST, UM,
AND WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT JULIE'S EDITS TO, UM, ADJUSTED EDITS TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND NO ONE ELSE SUBMITTED ANY CHANGES.
DID YOU HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CHANGES TO THE POLICY DOCUMENTS? OKAY.
AND JULIE'S WERE MOSTLY KIND OF SAYING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, OUR POLICY IS BENEFIT NOT JUST ENCAMPMENTS, BUT THE BROADER COMMUNITY ADDING SOME FOR.
AND, UH, AND SHE ADDED SOME NUMBERS SUCH AS THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO DIED LAST YEAR WHO WERE EXPERIENCING
SO IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO DISCUSS ABOUT OUR POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS BEFORE WE TAKE IT BACK TO HAY SCOTT TO, TO VOTE ON THIS COMMITTEE? NO.
WELL, I JUST THINK IT NEEDS TO MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE WE'RE BEHIND MOST OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONS AND COMMITTEES HAVE TURNED IN THEIR ANNUAL REPORTS.
IS THERE A DEADLINE FOR ANNUAL REPORTS? WELL, IT, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE I THINK IN THE SECOND QUARTER END OF JUNE, I BELIEVE.
WELL IT WOULD BE GOOD TO KNOW THOSE DATES AHEAD OF TIME.
AND LIKE HOW, YOU KNOW, WE USED TO KNOW 'EM, THE FAMILY DO.
WELL THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW THE FUTURE.
SO DO WOULD REVISING THIS AND SENDING IT OUT TO THE COMMITTEE AHEAD OF TIME AND ASKING THEM TO REVIEW IT? YEAH, I MEAN, JUST SO THAT THEY KNOW IT'S GONNA BE APPROVED AT THE NEXT MEETING THAT WE CAN'T BE TINKERING AROUND AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THROWING OUT LANGUAGE AT THE MEETING.
WELL, I, I THINK JUST ON ALSO TO YOUR POINT OF JUST SO THEY SEE EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
SO YES, I CAN GET THAT TO YOU.
AND GIVE THEM PLENTY OF TIME TO DO IT.
THEN I WOULD INCLUDE THE PEOPLE THAT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN AT THE LAST RIGHT.
ANY OTHER, OKAY, SO I'LL SEND THIS TO JENNIFER.
SEND SENDS THE COMMITTEE AHEAD OF OUR AUGUST WE NEED ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT.
AND MAYBE WHEN YOU SEND IT OUT, YOU CAN SAY THAT IT'S GONNA BE VOTED.
WELL, IT'LL BE ON THE AGENDA, RIGHT? YEAH, IT'LL BE AGENDA.
WE'RE VOTING TO APPROVE, BUT DON'T WAIT TILL THE AGENDA COMES OUT.
SEND IT WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE DONE AND THEN JUST, YOU KNOW.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS? ALL RIGHT.
DO ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WISH SHOULD COMMENT ON THE SITE? I DON'T KNOW, BUT THANK DANA.
RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE A DISCUSSION OF THE PROPOSED 2025 STATE LEGISLATION ADDRESSING HOMELESSNESS, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO SENATE BILL 6 34.
SO I TOOK A LOOK AT 6 34, UM, AND THIS IS, UM, SENATOR SASHA RENEE PEREZ, BILL, AND IT IT'S THE UNHOUSED SERVICE PROVIDERS.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION? NO, WE KNEW THAT WE DISCUSSED IT.
UM, SO THIS IS THE UNHOUSED SERVICE PROVIDERS PROTECTION ACT.
AND IT, IT SAYS THAT MUNICIPALITIES CAN'T PASS, UM, LOCAL ORDINANCES THAT WOULD BAR AID OR RESPONSE EFFORTS TO PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS.
AND THIS IS THE, I DIDN'T BRING THIS UP IN OUR LAST MEETING.
SOMEBODY RAISED THIS FOR DISCUSSION IN OUR LAST MEETING AND SAID, SHOULD WE AS PAYTECH MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE LONG BEACH GOVERNMENT TO TAKE A POSITION ON THIS STATE BILL? SO I LOOKED INTO IT AND, UM, BASICALLY DOZENS OF NONPROFITS SUPPORT THIS LEGISLATION AND IT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE THE NONPROFITS THAT OFFER ASSISTANCE TO PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS.
AND THEN THE POLICE AND SHERIFFS STATEWIDE ASSOCIATIONS OPPOSE IT.
AND THEN THE LEAGUE OF CITIES AS WELL AS ABOUT 50 INDIVIDUAL CITIES OPPOSE IT BECAUSE THEY'RE SAYING, WELL, THIS IS THEIR, YOU KNOW, THIS IS KIND OF THEIR RIGHT TO PASS ORDINANCES OF THIS TYPE.
LONG BEACH IS NOT ONE OF THOSE CITIES, BUT SOME NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES LIKE LAKEWOOD HAVE OPPOSED THIS LEGISLATION.
WAIT, SO THE, THE PROPOSED LEGISLATION WILL DO WHAT IT WILL, UM, DISALLOW MUNICIPALITIES FROM PASSING CITY LAWS OR ORDINANCES THAT WOULD PENALIZE NONPROFITS OR OTHERS FROM ASSISTING PEOPLE WHO ARE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS.
SO IF, IF A LOCAL, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY PASSES AN ORDINANCE
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AND SAYS, YOU CAN'T OFFER FOOD TO PEOPLE IN THIS ENCAMPMENT, YOU KNOW, THEN IF THEY COULD PASS THAT LAW AND THEN THERE COULD BE FINES OR MISDEMEANORS.BUT WHAT THIS LAW WOULD DO IS SAVE STATE LAW IS GOING TO SUPERSEDE AND NO CITY OR TOWN CAN PASS A LAW THAT WOULD PENALIZE SOMEBODY OR AN ORGANIZATION FOR OFFERING ASSISTANCE OR AID TO PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS.
SO THIS IS JUST MY OVERVIEW 'CAUSE SOMEBODY BROUGHT IT UP IN THE LAST COMMITTEE MEETING.
AND SO, LIKE I SAID, THE LEAGUE OF CITIES AND THE POLICE AND SHERIFF'S ASSOCIATION OPPOSED THIS BECAUSE THEY WANT TO HAVE THE RIGHT TO PASS THOSE TYPES OF LOCAL ORDINANCES OR TO ENFORCE 'EM.
AND THEN, UM, DOZENS OF NONPROFITS SUPPORT THE LEGISLATION BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN INCIDENCES IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA OF ORGANIZATIONS OR INDIVIDUALS, UM, GETTING FINES OR MISDEMEANORS FOR OFFERING ASSISTANCE OR FOOD TO PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS BECAUSE IT WAS IN VIOLATION OF LIKE A CITY ORDINANCE.
SO, UM, IT JUST PASSED THE SENATE COMMITTEE, UM, ON JULY 2ND, AND NOW IT'S GOING OVER TO THE ASSEMBLY SIDE.
BUT, UM, YEAH, SO THAT'S JUST, THAT'S KIND OF MY OVERVIEW.
IT WASN'T REALLY MY MOTION TO SAY, HEY, SHOULD WE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE LONG BEACH GOVERNMENT REGARDING STATE LEGISLATION? BUT I WANTED TO JUST SHARE AN OVERVIEW OR DISCUSSION OF IT.
IT'S, IT SORT OF, UM, FALLS OUTSIDE OF OUR DIRECTIVE, THE LEGISLATION RECOMMENDATIONS BY POSITION RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND WE COULD STILL DO IT, I GUESS, BUT IT DOES SORT OF FALL OUTSIDE OF THE DIRECTIVE FOR HAY.
UM, THE CITY DOES HAVE, UH, A TEAM OF, OF STAFF THAT REVIEW LEGISLATION ON ALL MATTERS THAT IMPACT LICENSE HAS TO CITY THE RESIDENT OF THE CITY.
SO THEY DO THAT AND, UM, OKAY.
WHAT WHAT DO OTHERS THINK? I MEAN, I'M JUST SURPRISED THAT IT'S EVEN, YOU KNOW, I'M, SO I'M NOT, I I'M GONNA GO BACK AND READ A LOT MORE ON THIS.
IS THIS IN ANY WAY RELATED TO EITHER BAKERSFIELD MAYOR OR THE, OR THE OTHER SAN JOSE, MAYOR SAN? WHAT ARE THE SAN MAYOR? OKAY, SO IT'S NOT, SO THEY, I, YEAH, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF WHAT DID EXAMPLES OF WHAT THIS TRUE EXAMPLES OF WHAT THIS POLICY IS TRYING TO ADDRESS.
WELL, I CAN TELL YOU THAT WHAT IS HAPPENING A LOT, YEAH.
A NOT A LOT, BUT I HAVE BEEN CONFRONTED BY LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS AND BEEN TOLD IN VARIOUS WORDINGS THAT IF WE DIDN'T FEED THE HOMELESS, THEY WOULDN'T BE HERE.
AND TO THAT, I HAVE A REBUTTAL, BUT I HAVE BEEN TOLD, UM, MORE THAN ONCE MORE, YOU KNOW, THREE TIMES ACTUALLY DIRECTLY TO MY FACE, NO, FOUR TIMES TO MY FACE THAT SAYS, IF YOU WOULDN'T HELP THESE PEOPLE, THEY WOULDN'T BE HERE.
THEY WOULDN'T BE HOMELESS, WE WOULDN'T HAVE THIS HOMELESS PROBLEM.
THAT'S, NO, THEY WOULD BE HUNGRY, BUT THEY, THEY'D STILL BE HOMELESS.
I THINK MAYBE AN EXAMPLE IS LONG BEACH HAS THOSE FOUR SITES WHERE THEY SAID THEY'RE GOING TO ENFORCE AND SAY THAT THERE CANNOT BE ENCAMPMENTS HERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE KIND OF ASKED TO LEAVE THAT AREA, AND PERHAPS IT WOULD BE IF LONG BEACH PASSED, A LOCAL ORDINANCE SAID THAT NO COMMUNITY GROUPS COULD OFFER FOOD OR SERVICES IN THOSE FOUR SITES WHERE THE CITY HAS SAID THERE CAN BE NO ENCAMPMENTS THERE.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING AS CITIES ARE SAYING THERE CAN'T BE ENCAMPMENTS HERE, PEOPLE CANNOT BE HERE.
AND THEN, UM, NONPROFIT GROUPS ARE OFFERING SERVICES IN THOSE LOCATIONS AND THE CITIES ARE SAYING, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA FIND YOU BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO NOT HAVE PEOPLE IN THIS AREA.
SO CITIES, MAYBE IT SOUNDS LIKE SOME CITIES MAY BE LOOKING AT PORTIONS OF THEIR CITY OR THE CITY ITSELF AND MORE ACTIVELY PUSHING AGAINST HELPING TO, TO, TO MOVE TO, TO GET THE HELP THE HOMELESS OUT OF THAT AREA.
YEAH, BUT MY COMMENT TO THE RECENT ENCOUNTER I HAD LAW ENFORCEMENT WAS THAT I'M HAPPY TO MOVE THESE PEOPLE TO WHEREVER YOU SAY TELL ME THAT IS A SAFE PLACE FOR THEM TO BE, AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE ONE.
I, I UNDERSTAND PEOPLE BEING AREAS CLEAN, WE ALL LIKE CLEAN AREAS.
BUT YOU CAN'T JUST THINK PEOPLE ARE GONNA MOVE ALONG AND THEY DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE TO BE.
SO DO YOU HAVE THOUGHTS ON THIS TOO? YEAH, I JUST THINK THERE'S A VERY BIG, UM, MISCOMMUNICATION OR INTERPRETATION BETWEEN THE ONES THAT ARE OPPOSED AND THE ONES THAT WANT TO SUPPORT THIS.
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THERE'S JUST, I FEEL LIKESO MY THOUGHT MORE BROADLY ON, YOU KNOW, ADVISING THE CITY ON STATE LEGISLATION IS BECAUSE OUR COMMITTEE IS BASICALLY SUPPOSED TO ADVISE THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL ON HOMELESS SERVICES IN THE CITY OF LONG BEACH.
I THINK IF THERE WAS STATE LEGISLATION THAT WOULD INHIBIT THE HOMELESS SERVICES KIND OF DEPARTMENT FROM DOING THEIR JOB IN THE WAY THAT WE WANT THEM TO DO IT, WE SHOULD, AND THIS IS JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION, WE SHOULD ADVISE THE CITY GOVERNMENT LIKE, HEY, IF THIS LAW PASSES, IT WILL, UM, BE TO THE DETRIMENT OF HOMELESS SERVICES IN LONG BEACH.
IF THERE WAS LEGISLATION LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD MAKE US LESS CAPABLE AS A CITY OF CARING FOR PEOPLE, THEN I THINK IT WOULD BE INCUMBENT ON US TO TELL THE CITY GOVERNMENT, YOU SHOULD OPPOSE THIS BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO DECREASE THE QUALITY OF HOMELESS SERVICES.
BUT IN THIS CASE, WHILE I PERSONALLY AGREE WITH THIS LEGISLATION, I DON'T THINK THAT THIS LEGISLATION PASSING WOULD PROHIBIT THE CITY OF LONG BEACH FROM OFFERING HIGH QUALITY HOMELESS SERVICES BECAUSE THE CITY OF LONG BEACH IS NOT REQUIRED TO PASS ANY ORDINANCE THAT WOULD PENALIZE ANYONE FOR DOING THIS.
IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A FEEL GOOD THING.
UM, AND I WAS ALSO JUST AS A CITIZEN, MAYBE NOT AS THE, YOU KNOW, CHAIR OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE, I WAS JUST GLAD TO SEE LONG BEACH HADN'T OPPOSED TO THIS, RIGHT.
BECAUSE MANY CITIES HAVE OPPOSED THIS.
SO, UM, MY ONLY THOUGHT WOULD, UM, NOT SO MUCH AS A POLICY, BUT IS IT WORTH TRYING TO GET MORE INFORMATION DIALOGUE WITH THE CITY ABOUT THIS? OR IS IT, YOU KNOW, ARE WE, I I FEEL LIKE CURIOUS WHY OTHER CITIES ARE OPPOSED, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC EXAMPLES.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT MAYBE WHAT, WHAT CITY TRENDS ARE HAPPENING THAT MAY BE CAUSING THINGS TO HAPPEN TO OPPOSE, SO WE NEED MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.
OR HOW, HOW SHOULD WE HANDLE THIS? I MEAN, SHOULD WE, I'M SORRY.
SHOULD WE INVITE OUR CITY GOVERNMENT PEOPLE, WHOEVER WORK WITH THE STATE GOVERNMENT TO COME AND DISCUSS WITH PAUL AND GET A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION OR NOT IS WITH THAT BIG A DEAL? WELL, I THINK WHAT PAM WAS SAYING IS, IS TRUE IN THAT DEPENDING, THERE'S TWO, TWO FACTIONS, RIGHT? COMES DOWN TO THIS THEORY, YOU LIKE TO THIS THEORY OR, BUT THOSE THEORIES ARE BASED ON OCCUPATIONAL PRACTICES, RIGHT? SO IF YOU ARE CHARGED WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT AND YOUR JOB IS TO WRITE CITATIONS BASED ON CITY LAWS, THEN YOU HAVE THAT PERSPEC, YOU HAVE THAT LENS, RIGHT? BUT IF YOU, YOU'RE IN HOMELESS SERVICES AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE TASKED WITH ACTUALLY PROVIDING SERVICE, IT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT LENS.
SO, UM, WHAT WE HAVE IS, IS TWO VERY DIFFERENT VERY OPPOSING ACTIVITIES IN THE C IN THE CITY UMBRELLA.
RIGHT? BECAUSE I'VE SEEN THE TICKETS FOR TRESPASSING FOR OPEN CONT I MEAN, I ILLEGAL CAMPING, I, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE ALL BEEN WRITTEN IN THE CITY.
SO, UM, IT'S JUST DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE AND DIFFERENT LENSES OF PEOPLE.
ONE, ONE THING THAT I SUGGEST IS, I KNOW I RAN INTO, CLAYTON HEARD AT YOUR, UM MM-HMM
AND HE HAD SAID, HEY, I'M WORKING ON THE CITY'S, YOU KNOW, UM, APPROACH TO STATE LEGISLATION RELATED TO HOMELESSNESS.
SO I WONDER IF WE COULD JUST GET FROM CLAYTON OR FROM OTHERS IN THAT DEPARTMENT.
HEY, IS THERE ANY STATE LEGISLATION THAT'S GOING TO INTERFERE WITH THE HOMELESS SERVICES DEPARTMENT ABILITY TO OFF, YOU KNOW, SO MAYBE INCLUDING MYTH, YOU KNOW, IS THERE ANY LEGISLATION INCLUDING MYTH THAT YEAH.
LIKE IS THERE STATE LAW THAT OKAY.
SO, SO WHAT DO WE THINK, LIKE IN GENERAL, YOU KNOW, DO WE JUST KIND OF WANNA GET THIS UPDATE AS OPPOSED TO PROVIDING ANY ADVICE OR GUIDANCE OR WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE OUR THOUGHTS? I THINK IT'S A GOOD F-Y-I-I-I DON'T THINK, UM, I, GO AHEAD.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN MAKE A DECISION NOW AS A SUBCOMMITTEE.
I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE, I LIKE THE RECOMMENDATION MORE INFORMATION AT THE WHOLE COMMITTEE.
IS THIS SOMETHING THAT COULD THEN, SHOULD THEN GO INTO POTENTIALLY A FUTURE RECOMMENDATION?
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YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S THIS OR OTHER LEGISLATION.DOES IT MAKE SENSE? IS IT REALLY OUR PURVIEW TO DO THIS? SO YEAH, I THINK IT'D BE GOOD AT THAT LEVEL, BUT I DON'T THINK WE COULD MAKE A DECISION.
I, I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE CAN, UM, LIKE MAKING PROFESSION QUESTION.
SO DO YOU FEEL GOOD ABOUT JUST KIND OF ASKING FOR AN OVERVIEW FROM THE CITY OF WHAT POSITIONS ARE THEY TAKING IN DIFFERENT LEGISLATION AS OPPOSED TO US SAYING, HEY, WE NEED YOU TO OPPOSE OR, OR SUPPORT THIS LEGISLATION? YEAH.
ONLY JUST, YEAH, JUST TO, IT'S ON THEIR RADAR.
I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE HAVE ANY OR WAY FOR THAT.
AND THAT'S NOT ON THIS, BUT I DID WANT TO, UM, JUST PUT THE BUG THAT THE SB 16, THAT ONE, UH, THAT SOME OF YOU, IT'S TO, UM, IT'S TO END UNSHELTERED HOMELESSNESS BY 20 20, 20 32 AND 16, SB 16, I FORGOT THE WOMAN'S NAME WHO'S DOING IT.
UM, AND IT TO STRESS INTERIM AND PERMANENT HEALTHY AND, AND ADDRESS UNSHELTERED HOMELESSNESS AS IT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED.
THIS IS THE ONE THAT SAYS GO TO FUNCTIONAL ZERO.
LET'S SEE IF THE CITY OF LONG BEACH SUPPORTS IT, IT'S KATHERINE BLAKE HERE.
DO YOU SEE WHO SUPPORTS OUR CLOSEST MM-HMM
IT'S A MASSIVE FINANCIAL PLAN.
YEAH, WELL, IT'S WHO IT'S FUNDED RIGHT NOW.
HOMELESSNESS IS A MASSIVE FINANCIAL THING.
I MEAN, I, I WOULD GUESS 80% OF OUR EMERGENCY SERVICES IS DEDICATED TO HOMELESSNESS.
IT'S A SORRY FOR USE OF PHONES, BUT WE'RE CHECKING THE STUDENTS TO OF LONG BEACH HAS TAKEN A POSITION.
I DO SEE LIKE, UM, WARE ACCOUNTING, MAYBE LEAGUE FOR CALIFORNIA CITIES TOWARDS OPPOSING THE LEAGUE OF STUDIES.
SO IT'S A BUDGETS A BIG BUDGET.
WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR COMMENT PRETTY MUCH ABOUT, HE SWITCHED FROM ONE SUBJECT TO A DIFFERENT SUBJECT.
AND WE, I HAD QUESTIONS ON THE FIRST SUBJECT.
YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT SB 6 34, SO NOW YOU'RE TALKING SB 16.
SO THIS IS ALL THE, LUCKILY THE SAME AGENDA ITEM BECAUSE, UM, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO SB 6 34.
SO WE WILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT AS SOON AS DISCUSSION OF BOTH OF THESE IS DONE.
SO YOU CAN ANSWER FOR QUESTIONS.
SO IS THAT EVERYTHING? I'M AS OPPOSED, I THINK, YEAH.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS? NO.
MY QUESTION ON THIS IS, I, I THINK IT'S A REALLY GOOD IDEA TO GET MORE INFORMATION.
UM, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE SUBCOMMITTEE HANDLE INFORMATION AS TO THOSE SUPPORTED HAS TO BE 6 34 AND HAS TO BE SAID STILL.
AND THOSE FOLKS UNDERSTAND THE REASONS WHY THEY THINK THAT PARTICULAR POSITION.
IN ADDITION TO GETTING INFORMATION AS TO WHAT THE CITY IS PLANNING TO DO SO THAT THE SUBCOMMITTEE CAN ADVISE ON WHAT WOULD BE BEST TO FURTHER THIS FOR HOMELESSNESS ERADICATION OF HOMELESSNESS.
ALRIGHT, SO NUMBER FOUR, UM, RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE IN FILE A DISCUSSION OF FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. IS THERE A MOTION? SECOND.
UM, SO FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS FOR OUR COMMITTEES.
WELL, SO IF WE DO GET THIS DOCUMENT FINISHED, UM, AND THE FUTURE AGENDA ITEM, COULD WE MAYBE TRACK OR FOLLOW UP ON RECOMMENDATION NUMBER TWO? YEP.
I MEAN, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, IT'S NICE TO GET IT DOWN ON PAPER, BUT THEN WE NEED SOME ACTION.
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UM, AND I GUESS PART OF THAT, LIKE LAST YEAR WE PROVIDED RECOMMENDATIONS TO HAYSTACK, LIKE, HEY, WE'D LIKE EVERY MEMBER THIS COMMITTEE TO MEET WITH YOUR CITY COUNCIL MEMBER, SHARE THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS AND ASK IF THEY'RE WILLING TO LEAD ON THAT.SO IS THAT SOMETHING WE WANNA DO AND TRACK IT IN? YEAH, WE CAN.
AND UM, WE CAN DO LIKE LAST TIME YOU AND I CAN PROVIDE ASSISTANCE HOWEVER THEY LOCKED OR THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ANY ASSISTANCE IF THEY LOST.
UM, WE WOULD SAY FOR OUR FUTURE AGENDA ITEM, THERE WAS THAT LARGE INCREASE IN PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS, LIVING IN VEHICLES.
SO I WONDER IF WE SHOULD LOOK INTO POLICIES.
SEEMS, SEEMS LIKE, YEAH, THERE'S CERTAIN AREAS WHEN THEY'RE CONGREGATIONS AND SO I DON'T THINK THE CITY GOES AND PROVIDES SERVICES, YOU KNOW, OR KNOCK ON THE WINDOW KIND OF THING.
YEAH, I MEAN THE, I MEAN THE HOME SERVICES, I DON'T KNOW, THEY'RE VERY THICK ON THE WEST SIDE.
I WOULD ASSUME THERE'S OUTREACH, RIGHT? I WOULD ASSUME OUTREACH WORKERS ARE GOING TO SEE, YEAH, LET'S HEAR ABOUT, YEAH.
WAVES CLOSE TO THE NSC, BUT A LOT OF THEM ALSO, YOU KNOW, AREN'T EXACTLY THERE A LOT.
I MEAN, I, I WOULD GUESS WHEN THE WEATHER IS WARM, THOSE RVS AND VANS GET MIGHTY WARM.
LIKE YOU WOULDN'T WANNA STAY INSIDE GET TOO HOT.
UM, ANY, ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT OR FUTURE IDEAS? I, YOU KNOW, I HAD A ODD THOUGHT ABOUT THAT TOO, BECAUSE IT IS IN, OH, IT'S A BIG POPULATION.
AND I THOUGHT, WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE THE CARS, THEY'RE JUST REALLY BE UP DOWN AND THEY BREAK DOWN.
IT'S LIKE, WELL, YOU KNOW, SHOULD THERE BE SUPPORT TO GET SOME OF THESE CARS OPERATIONAL BECAUSE THEY ARE HOUSING.
I MEAN, THEY'RE SHELTERED, UH, AND THEY GOTTA MOVE FROM, YOU KNOW, SWEEP STREET SWEEPERS AND WHATEVER ELSE.
THEY'VE GOT A LITTLE, AT LEAST A LITTLE BIT OF MOVEMENT THAT THEY HAVE TO DO.
AND I THOUGHT, WELL, MAYBE, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S A, AND I KNOW IN THE PAST, I DON'T KNOW IF THE, DOES THE CITY STILL HAVE A SAFE PARKING POT? UM, I BELIEVE THEY DO.
I WANNA SAY THEY'RE USING THE MSC.
YEAH, IT'S JUST THE MSC THOUGH.
IT
WASN'T QUITE, AND THEY DON'T ALLOW RV, IT'S JUST, IT'S HARD.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S THAT AND THERE'S BEEN ATTEMPTS AT THE RV DISPOSAL AREAS BEEN MORE SO, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF MAYBE EVEN A BROADER DISCUSSION ABOUT THE RVS, THE CARS, WHAT HAS BEEN DONE.
CERTAIN THINGS DON'T SEEM TO BE WORKING VERY WELL AND DO WE NEED A DIFFERENT APPROACH? AND WHAT DO THE CASE MANAGERS DO? RIGHT.
YOU KNOW? AND UH, SHOULD WE LEARN MORE ABOUT THAT IN OUR SAC MEETING? MM-HMM
'CAUSE THAT'S NOT EVEN PAUL CAN SPEAK TO AS FAR AS WHAT'S THE CURRENT APPROACH, WHAT'S WORKING, WHAT ISN'T, WHAT'S THAT COULD BE A GOOD FOCUS.
I FEEL LIKE I SAID HAVE THE LAST MEETING, MY QUESTION WAS LIKE YEAH, THE GENERAL, UM, LIKE WHAT IS WORKING LIKE CAN HIGH, LIKE WHAT IS WORKING OR LIKE FIND OUT WHAT THAT IS.
LIKE THE NEW SUPPORTIVE HOUSING THAT'S COMING UP.
LIKE WHAT SERVICES ARE GOING IN THERE AND WORKING.
I JUST DON KNOW WHAT'S WORKING.
BUT I, I THINK THAT THAT PAM WORKING IS A RELATIVE TERM.
THE STATUS QUO MEETINGS WORKING.
I JUST ALWAYS FEEL LIKE, I MEAN, I'M A PUBLIC HEALTH PERSON.
I'M ALWAYS LIKE, EVALUATIONS, CAN WE LOOK AT, THEY GO, YEAH.
WHAT DO THE EVALUATIONS LOOK LIKE? LIKE HOW MANY PEOPLE WENT THROUGH THIS PROGRAM AND IT WORKED FOR THEM AND THEN IT DIDN'T WORK? BOOM.
WHY DIDN'T IT WORK BETTER? NOW THAT'S ALL THE QUESTION.
IT'S HARD TO, IT'S CHALLENGING TO DO THAT REGULAR LITTLE, THERE'S DIFFERENT TYPES OF AUDITS, OF COURSE.
LIKE YOU GUYS BUDGETING AUDITS, YOU
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STAFFING AUDITS.BUT PROGRAM AUDITS ARE REALLY MM-HMM
YOU KNOW, IT'S WORKING AND NOW I CAN SEE THIS
YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF THAT COMPASSION FOR FOLKS.
I SEE 'EM WHEN I TAKE MY WALK AND, UH, AND THEY, MANY, MANY OF 'EM HAVE, BUT THE, THE, THE BLACK FILM ACROSS THE BACK AND THE SIDE, THE SUN SHADE AND, AND SUN SHADE IN THE FRONT.
SO HOW DO WE STAY IN TOUCH WITH THESE FOLKS? AND I MEAN, SHOULDN'T, SHOULD WE CONNECT WITH THEM ONCE A WEEK? AND HOW ARE YOU, WHAT ARE WE DOING? THEY HAVE CELL, MANY OF 'EM MAY HAVE CELL PHONES.
SO DO WE AT LEAST DO THAT? AND DO THEY HAVE UNIQUE NEEDS AND HOW DO WE RESPOND TO THOSE NEEDS? I THINK IT'D BE INTERESTING TO LEARN MORE ABOUT IT PLAYING IN TIME REPORTS SO THAT IT'S USUALLY PEOPLE WHO HAVE JUST FALLEN INTO HOMELESSNESS.
SO THEY MAY STILL OWN A VEHICLE, BUT THEY CAN'T AFFORD THEIR RENT.
AND SO LIKE NEW USUALLY TO THE SITUATION, BUT THEY STILL HAVE A JOB.
IT'S LIKE THE, TO ME THEY'RE THE LOWEST HANGING FRUIT TO HELP.
LIKE THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE YOU CAN REALLY UP INTERVENTION.
I FEEL LIKE OUR STAFF REPORTED MAYBE LIKE A THIS, BUT
I MEAN, JUST LIKE
SO JENNIFER, FOR THE NEXT HAYS ACT MEETING, IS IT POSSIBLE TO REQUEST, AND IF YOU KNOW THESE ARE DIFFERENT MONTHS OR IT'S NOT POSSIBLE, IT'S FINE, BUT LIKE MAYBE, UH, A DISCUSS INFORMATION ABOUT HOW, UM, VEHICULAR HOMELESSNESS IS BEING ADDRESSED AND LIKE WHAT ARE THE SERVICES PROVIDED? WHAT'S THE OUTREACH? AND THEN TO PAM'S POINTS, YOU HAD BROUGHT THIS UP FOR A TOPIC, BUT WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE THE MOST PROMISING PRACTICES RIGHT NOW? LIKE, WHAT ARE, WHAT, WHAT ARE PEOPLE RESPONDING THE MOST TO? WHAT ARE THE PROGRAMS THAT ARE REALLY LIKE THE STARS OR THE SERVICES THAT ARE THE STARS? 'CAUSE MAYBE WHEN WE THINK ABOUT OUR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR NEXT YEAR, WE'D SAY, OH, WE HEARD THAT WAS GOING REALLY WELL AND WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ONCE IN NEED.
SO, AND EVEN, WHAT ARE THEIR NEEDS? DO THEY HAVE UNIQUE NEEDS? UH, IS IT THE SAME AS OTHERS OR I, I DON'T KNOW.
AND ARE WE MEETING THOSE NEEDS? WELL, NO, I THINK, UM, I MENTIONED LIKE, UH, SOME OF THE PEOPLE I KNOW WHO LIVE IN CARS, THEY, THEY DO STILL HAVE THEIR JOBS.
WHAT IS THAT? AND, AND WHAT DO WE, HOW DO WE HELP 'EM? ARE WE HELPING THEM IN A HUMANE MANNER? BECAUSE MAYBE THAT COULD BE PART OF ALL, UM, DATA REPORT BECAUSE IT'S HAVE SOMEWHERE.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE FOR OUR DISCUSSION FOR NEXT TIME? SO WE HAVE BASICALLY, UM, TRACK IF HAYSTACK MEMBERS ARE MEETING WITH THEIR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS MM-HMM.
WHICH WE'RE GOING TO URGE THEM TO DO IN THE NEXT MEETING.
UM, TRACK OUR RECOMMENDATION NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS THAT, WE'LL, WE'LL BASICALLY BE AS INDIVIDUALS ADVOCATING FOR CITY COUNCIL TO, YOU KNOW, CREATE THAT PILOT PROGRAM.
UM, AND THEN WE'LL HOPE TO SEE THESE TOPICS ON THE AGENDA FOR HAYSTACK SO WE CAN LEARN A LITTLE BIT MORE
ANYTHING ELSE? FOR FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS? I HAVE ONE OTHER THING NOT RELATED THAT'S RELATED TO THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSION WE HAD, BUT NOT RELATED TO THIS.
I'M SORRY TO, I KNOW IF YOU WANT TO TAKE IT NOW OR YOU WANNA BE.
WHAT, WHAT'S THE PROCEDURE FOR THAT? WHAT'S THE ROBERTS RULES? IF SOMEBODY HAS SOMETHING RELATED TO A PREVIOUS AGENDA ITEM?
SO, UH, ONE OF MY REVIEW THINGS WHEN I WENT THROUGH ALL OF THE DOCUMENTS, THERE IS A REQUIREMENT THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO VOTE TO DETERMINE IF WE CONTINUE EACH YEAR IT IN IT IN THE REPORT.
IS IT IN OUR, DID WE PUT IT IN OUR REPORT? NOW THAT WE RECOMMEND THAT WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE ONE.
SO IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON OUR FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS? UH, WHAT WHAT I LIKE HEARING IS
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THAT YOU CAN TELL, GET MORE INFORMATION.THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT YOU DON'T KNOW OF.
WHAT WAS WAS ONE ITEM THAT I DIDN'T SEARCH? WELL, TWO ITEMS THAT I WOULD SERIOUSLY RECOMMEND ALL FROM YOUR COUNCIL.
THAT ANY PROGRAM THAT EXISTS, THERE SHOULD BE AN EVALUATION AS TO WHETHER IT'S NOT WORKING, WHY IS IT WORKING, AND WHY IT'S NOT WORKING, AND WHAT CAN BE DONE TO IMPROVE IT.
AND SOMETIMES, AND THE ANSWER IS NOTHING.
AND THEN SECONDLY, SHE THAT LIKE, SEE, LIKE THIS IS WHERE ARE YOU GONNA GET THE MONEY FROM TO DO THIS OTHER THAN TAXING MORE FROM INCREASING TAXES.
'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF ORGANIZATIONS OUT THERE THAT HAVE MONEY AVAILABLE FOR THIS AND NOBODY'S ASKING ME FOR IT.
I BELIEVE, OH, ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS? OH.
PUBLIC COMMENT ON ANY AGENDA ITEMS. EACH SPEAKER IS LIMITED TO FEW MINUTES TO MAKE THEIR COMMENTS UNLESS EXTENDED BY THE CHAIR.
ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS? THANK YOU ALL ARE GONNA THE SAME.
CAN I MAKE IT COMMON OR NO? IF YOU HAD
YOU KNOW, I IN SACRAMENTO ON THE EIGHTH, BUT I BELIEVE I CAN GET HIM UNLESS SECOND COULD.
WAIT, DOUG, DID YOU JUST A, JUST A LITTLE THING.
IT IS, IT'S REALLY HARD TO ASSESS EFFECTIVENESS OF PROGRAMS. SO, UM, OFTEN WHAT'S DONE IS THEY LOOK, YOU LOOK AT LAST YEAR, SO THIS YEAR WE HAD, UH, 370 BEDS AND WE'RE AT 93%, 98% LAST YEAR.
WE MADE THIS MANY OUTREACH IN LAST YEAR.
AND IT'S REALLY HARD TO LOOK AT THE PROGRAM AND SAY, ARE WE GETTING THE BANG FROM THE BOTTOM? IS THIS WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE RESOURCES, WHERE ARE OUR RESOURCES GOING INTO THIS? I DON'T SEE THAT.
AND IS IT A VALUE PER OUTCOME? SO I THINK A LOT OF IT MAY DEPEND UPON KIND OF OUR PERCEPTION ARE, ARE WE PERCEIVING ANYTHING THAT'S LESS THAN EFFECTIVE? LIKE MAYBE LIKE THE BE A KILLER AND WE HAVE SOME EXAMPLES AND IT'S, AND WE DISCUSS THIS.
AND THEN IS THERE A WAY WE CAN SHINE A LIGHT ON IT? UM, MAYBE NOT WITH, SO IT'S NOT WITH NUMBERS OR DATA OR THE CITY CREATING OR IT'S JUST OUR INFORMATION THAT WE'RE GETTING.
WE THINK THERE'S WEAKNESS AND STRENGTH.
MORE WEAKNESS AND MORE STRENGTH.
WHERE DO YOU FOCUS ON? THAT'S MY COMMENT.
I MEAN, MEAN I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE DID WITH THE SWEEPS.
ANY OTHER ANNOUNCEMENTS? THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING THIS.
YOU GUYS ARE WITH WHAT? YOU JUST LIVE, I'VE HEARD THIS FROM VERY CONSERVATIVE WHO THAT WANTED PEOPLE TO SHOW UP.
THE ONLY ONES THAT DID SO INTERESTING.
OKAY, NOW YOU KNOW,
PERSON DIDN'T KNOW THAT THIS SUB EXISTENCE.
'CAUSE I THINK IT GIVES OPPORTUNITIES TO GIVE THEM D PERSPECTIVE FROM THE CITY COUNCIL, WHICH IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO GET A GOOD IDEA FROM IT BY, BY THE COUNCILMEN THEMSELVES BECAUSE IT CAN'T BE EVERY PLACE AT THE SAME TIME.
AND I LIKE THE IDEA THAT THERE'S MORE COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT AND I HOPE TO SEE MORE US WEIRDOS COMING.
I, SO I, THE GENERAL MEETING OF THE WHOLE COMMITTEE, IT IS THE WHOLE SERVICES ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
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AND THIS IS THE SUBCOMMITTEE OF THAT, CORRECT.I DON'T, SO IT'S THE INFORMATION ON MY COMMITTEE.
IT'S, IT'S THE FIRST, IT'S EVERY OTHER MONTH.
SO THE NEXT ONE IS AUGUST 6TH AT FOUR.
WAIT, WHAT IS IT FOUR O'CLOCK? FOUR? YEAH.
I CAN TAKE YOUR EMAIL AND I'LL EMAIL YOU THE INFORMATION.
IT'S ALSO POSTED ON OUR, UH, WEBSITES.
BUT THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS POSTED ON YEAH, I, I COULD SEND IT TO YOU.
JUST CAN YOU JUST ADJOURN? TINY AJOUR.