Jul 09, 2025 Ethics Commission

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IF YOU'RE READY.

THE TIME IS 3 0 5.

OR DO YOU WANNA CALL IT TO ORDER? I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT YOU DID THAT.

I, NO, THAT'S OKAY.

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CALL IT TO ORDER.

OKAY.

COMMISSIONER WEISS PRESENT.

[CALL TO ORDER]

COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICTE.

HERE.

COMMISSIONER NOVE.

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PRESENT, CHAIR P*****K.

HERE WE HAVE CALL, UH, QUORUM, AND OUR FIRST AGENDA ITEM IS RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR THE ETHICS COMMISSION MEETING OF WEDNESDAY.

THIS SAYS, AM I LOOKING AT, IT SAYS MAY 14TH.

I'M SORRY, I'M LOOKING AT THE WRONG MEETING LOADED.

IT SHOULD BE FOR JUNE 11TH.

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GIVE US ONE SECOND.

I I'LL JUST WORK ON THE, I I'VE GOT THE PAPER.

[1. 25-55735 Recommendation to approve the minutes for the Ethics Commission meeting of Wednesday, June 11, 2025.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]

THANK YOU, .

IT WAS NICE TO JUST DO SORT OF THE .

THAT'S GOOD TO KEEP US ON OUR TOES.

SO, RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR THE ETHICS COMMISSION MEETING OF WEDNESDAY, JUNE 11TH, 2025.

DO I HAVE A MOTION? SECOND.

MOVED BY COMMISSIONER D BENEDICTUS, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER WISES.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? IS THERE ANY PUBLIC PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? IT'S MOVED TO A VOTE.

MOTION CARRIES AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO.

RECOMMENDATION TO CONSIDER ISSUES FOR WEBSITE TRANSITIONS BETWEEN INCOMING AND OUTGOING ELECTED OFFICIALS FOLLOWING ELECTIONS, INCLUDING OWNERSHIP OF WEBSITE CONTENT AND CITY SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNTS.

DO I HAVE A MOTION?

[2. 25-55736 Recommendation to consider issues for website transitions between incoming and outgoing elected officials following elections, including ownership of website contents and City social media accounts.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]

AND A SECOND.

I SECOND MOVED BY COMM CHIEF, UH, VICE CHAIR COLEMAN.

SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER WISE.

UH, I GUESS I'LL OPEN DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM.

UH, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BRIEFLY DURING THE ANNOUNCEMENTS AT THE LAST MEETING.

UM, AND I WANTED TO BRING IT BACK SO THAT I COULD GET A SENSE OF THE COMMISSION AS TO WHETHER IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO PURSUE.

UM, THIS, UH, CAME UP BECAUSE THERE WERE A COUPLE OF TRANSITIONS IN LEGISLATIVE OFFICES BETWEEN INCOMING AND OUTGOING ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT DID NOT GO SMOOTHLY OR AS SMOOTHLY AS, AS WE WOULD'VE LIKED.

UM, AND IT, THAT OPENED UP A NUMBER OF ISSUES THAT PEOPLE WEREN'T THINKING ABOUT.

UM, I, I DID LOOK ON THE CITY WEBSITE AND, UH, SPECIFICALLY LOOKED AT THE SOCIAL MEDIA ADMINISTRATIVE REGULATION THAT APPLIES ONLY TO CURRENT CITY EMPLOYEES, VOLUNTEERS, ET CETERA.

SO IT DOESN'T REALLY ADDRESS THIS KIND OF A SITUATION WHERE THE, UH, FORMER ELECTED OFFICIAL IS NO LONGER AT THAT POINT A CITY EMPLOYEE.

UM, AND THERE IS CERTAINLY A TRANSPARENCY ISSUE TO THE EXTENT THAT LEGISLATIVE OFFICES HAVE WEBSITES THAT APPEAR TO BE CITY WEBSITES, BUT IF THEY'RE NOT CITY WEBSITES, THEN THEY'RE NOT SUBJECT NECESSARILY TO THE PUBLIC RECORDS ACT.

SO THERE ARE TRANSPARENCY ISSUES.

UM, SO THE QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT, UM, THE COMMISSION WANTS TO TAKE THIS UP AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT.

WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT INVESTIGATING WHAT HAPPENED IN THE LAST TRANSITION, BUT RATHER WHETHER THERE ARE POLICIES OR ADMINISTRATIVE REGULATIONS OR PROPOSED ORDINANCE CHANGES THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT POS, AND THEN IF, IF WE BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A NEED FOR SOMETHING ELSE TO THEN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

ANY DISCUSSION? UH, YES, CHAIR, I THINK I AGREE.

UH, BUT JUST A COUPLE CLARIFYING POINTS.

SO TO WHAT EXTENT I WOULD THINK THAT THE EXISTING RULES WOULD APPLY TO THE ELECTEDS AS EMPLOYEES, UH, BUT THAT MAY BE LIMITED THEN TO THEIR MORE CITY WEBSITES.

AND

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IS THAT CORRECT? YES.

YEAH.

WELL, ONE OF ONE OF MY QUESTIONS IS, DO WE OR DOES THE CITY HAVE JURISDICTION OVER THE, I MEAN, OVER THE WEBSITES THAT PUBLIC OFFICIALS USE WHILE THEY'RE IN OFFICE THAT ARE NOT CITY WEBSITES? IS I, I MEAN, 'CAUSE IF I JUST HEARD WHAT YOU, THE QUESTION YOU ASKED, IT WAS THOSE KINDS OF ACCOUNTS THAT WE'RE TA WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT, NOT THE ONES THAT ARE ACTUALLY LONG BEACH CITY SITES.

IS THAT, I MEAN, LIKE A, A COUNCIL PERSON HAS A, A LONG BEACH.GOV EMAIL, RIGHT? MM-HMM .

OKAY.

SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IF THEY HAVE A, A FACEBOOK PAGE THAT'S JUST THEIRS, OR WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IF THEY HAVE A PERSONAL EMAIL, A GMAIL OR A YAHOO OR, OR WHATEVER.

IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? WHAT THAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT? UM, CERTAINLY THEIR USE OF SOCIAL MEDIA AND WHETHER OR NOT IT, WHEN, IF AT ALL, THEIR USE OF SOCIAL MEDIA IS CITY BUSINESS VERSUS CAMPAIGN BUSINESS.

SOME CLARITY ON THE RULES THERE.

UM, WE WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT, I DON'T THINK THE CITY, I DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT REGULATING CAMPAIGN WEBSITES BEYOND WHAT IS ALREADY DONE IN TERMS OF THE CAMPAIGN RULES.

UM, BUT AFTER THE CAMPAIGN IS OVER AND THE ELECTED IS IN OFFICE, THE QUESTION IS HOW THEY'RE USING CITY RESOURCES.

AND WHEN IT APPEARS THAT THAT A, A WEBSITE IS A CITY WEBSITE OR, UH, A CITY OR SOCIAL, OR IT APPEARS THAT IT'S A SOCIAL CITY SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNT VERSUS A CAMPAIGN ACCOUNT.

I THINK THE, THE RULES LACK CLA CLARITY BECAUSE THERE REALLY AREN'T VERY MANY RULES.

IT'S JUST WHAT'S THE SOURCE OF MONEY AND THE SOURCE OF MONEY ISN'T APPARENT TO THE INDIVIDUAL RESIDENTS WHO ARE INTERACTING WITH THE WEBSITES OR THE SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNTS.

I WOULD AGREE.

I WOULD JUST ADD THAT I ALSO THINK THAT THERE WOULD NEED TO BE A, EVEN IF THE WEBSITES ARE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE, IT'S ABOUT, IT'S ALL ABOUT THE TRANSITION AND MAKING SURE THAT THE RULE, UH, ALL THE REQUIREMENTS, I MEAN, FOLLOWED.

BUT THAT WOULD ALSO INCLUDE RECORDS, CITY RECORDS, WHICH I WOULD THINK THAT AFTER THE ELECTED HAS LEFT, IF THERE'S ANY SORT OF A CITY RECORD, THEN THAT CAN'T BE MANAGED.

AND I WOULD NOT THINK IT SHOULD BE MANAGED ON THEIR OWN WEBSITES THAT WOULD NEED TO BE MANAGED BY THE CITY.

SO, COMMISSIONER DI BENEDICTUS, THANK YOU.

UM, I APPRECIATE THE RESEARCH THAT YOU'VE DONE.

I THINK THAT THERE'S PROBABLY MORE INFORMATION OUT THERE THAT WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND.

UH, AND THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE CONDUCTED BY STAFF.

I WOULD HOPE, UH, TO GIVE US AN UNDERSTANDING.

I'M GONNA GO BACK TO MY OWN EXPERIENCE, UH, DEALING WITH PUBLIC SCIENTISTS AND OTHERS THAT HAVE A FREEDOM OF, UH, YOU KNOW, SCIENTIFIC OPENNESS AND FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

HOWEVER, YOU DO HAVE THOSE THAT ARE REPRESENTING OFFICIAL STATEMENTS.

I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN KNOWING WHAT THE CITY'S PROCESS IN, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT MOST OFFICIAL CITY WEBSITES HAVE TO BE SCRUTINIZED ANYWAY FOR PRIOR TO RELEASE.

AND THE, THAT MEANS THEIR CONTENT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE IF THEY, UPON, UM, TAKING OFFICE, UH, ALL WEBSITES SHOULD BE SUBMITTED BY THE, UM, THE INDIVIDUAL TO BE APPROVED AND REVIEWED.

UM, WHILE THERE, UH, I THINK THAT WHERE, WHERE WE NEED TO DO SOME PATH FINDING IS DURING THE ELECTION PERIOD.

UH, AND THAT'S THE GRAY AREA.

UH, I, I THINK THAT, UM, IT'S NOT UNUSUAL TO, UH, SET SOME STANDARDS REGARDING THAT.

AND IT'S GONNA HELP THEM NAVIGATE THE, THE, THE EXISTING LAW WHERE EVEN IF A CITY HAS NO AREA TO EXERCISE, UM, SENSE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA SAY CENSORSHIP, BUT, UM, UM, LETTING THEM KNOW WHAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE, UH, STATE AND, UM, INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY ISSUES, ALL KINDS OF THINGS.

'CAUSE PEOPLE GET A LITTLE CRAZY IN SOCIAL MEDIA AS WE KNOW.

UH, BUT I WOULD, I THINK I WOULD WANT SOME PATH FINDING, BUT I DO THINK I AGREE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER SHOTWELL, WE HAVE A ROLE HERE, AND THAT, UH, ESPECIALLY IF

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AND WE COULD INCLUDE THINGS WHEN, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT USE OF SOCIAL MEDIA, USE OF SOCIAL MEDIA BY, FOR EXAMPLE, COMMISSIONERS AS IT RELATES TO GOVERNMENT USE.

YEAH.

THE FACT THAT YOUR, UH, YOUR RESEARCH WAS UNCLEAR WHO IT APPLIES TO.

AND I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT IT ALWAYS BEEN.

OUR ISSUE IS TO COME UP WITH UNIFORMITY ACROSS THE CITY, ALL THE DIFFERENT, UH, DEPARTMENTS, ET CETERA.

AND THEN, UH, WE'LL BE LOOKING, UH, AND INCLUDING EMPLOYEES, YOU KNOW, EMPLOYEES OFTEN WILL ACT AND SAY THAT THEY'RE SPEAKING IN OFFICIAL CAPACITY WHEN THEY'RE NOT.

UH, I, AND I SHOULD MENTION ONE OTHER THING.

THE SOCIAL MEDIA AR APPLIES ONLY TO CITY MANAGER DEPARTMENTS.

OKAY.

THAT, THAT'S IT.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS ARE DOING.

I WOULD LOOK TO OUR, OUR STAFF THAT I KNOW THEY'RE DE DEEPLY ENTRENCHED WITH THE AR UH, MAYBE THE AR PROJECT IS GETTING BUY-IN FROM ALL OF THE OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY, HOPEFULLY.

BUT YEAH.

UH, COMMISSIONER SHOTWELL.

YEAH, COMMISSIONER WISE, YEAH, I, I, I DEFINITELY THINK THAT THIS GROUP COULD BE USEFUL TO THE CITY BY GETTING SOME CLARIFICATION AROUND THESE ISSUES.

AND, AND THE MORE CLEAR IT CAN BE ABOUT WHAT THE OFFICIALS CAN DO OR CANNOT DO, UM, WITH WHATEVER WEBSITES THEY'RE DEALING WITH, I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.

I, I HAVE SOME CONCERN ABOUT THAT AND THAT, BUT IT WOULD BE USEFUL TO ME IF, IF, IF I WERE WORKING ON THIS TO HAVE SOME SPECIFIC EXAMPLES.

I MEAN, THEY DON'T HAVE TO, THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE TRUE IN TERMS OF WHO DID, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY DID THIS OR THAT, BUT SOME EXAMPLES OF WHAT THE CONCERNS ARE SO THAT THERE'S A, A FRAMEWORK TO MEASURE, MEASURE THE IDEAS AGAINST SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME HYPOTHETICAL EXAMPLES, MAYBE BASED ON THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED.

THERE WAS REFERENCE, THE FACT THAT THERE WAS A ROUGH TRANSITION, UM, RECENTLY.

SO THERE MIGHT BE SOME HYPOTHETICAL THAT COULD BE, COULD REFLECT THAT I WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT PEOPLE USING NON-CITY WEBSITES MORE AS OFFICIAL WEBSITES AND PERHAPS EVEN HAVING THEIR STAFF WORK ON THEM OR PUT INPUT ON THEM, WHICH WOULD BE A USE OF CITY RESOURCES.

SO IT WOULD SEEM LIKE THERE, MAYBE THERE SHOULD, THE IDEA WOULD BE, THERE SHOULD BE SOME REPRESENTATION ON THE, ON THOSE WEBSITES WHERE, YOU KNOW, IF I, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE SAYING IT'S SO AND SO, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL MEMBER, DISTRICT X, Y, Z, THAT, THAT IT'S CLEAR THAT IT'S THEIR PERSONAL ACCOUNT AND THAT NO CITY RESOURCES HAVE GONE INTO MAINTAINING OR, OR, YOU KNOW, WORKING ON THE ACCOUNT.

I MEAN, WHAT THE COUNCIL PERSON DECIDES TO DO IN THEIR OFF HOURS, IF THERE ARE ANY.

UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A, THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY.

BUT ANYWAY, IT'S A, YES.

I THINK THERE'S A LOT TO BE DONE, BUT I THINK THAT THERE NEED TO BE SOME HYPOTHETICALS THAT CAN BE USED IN THE DISCUSSION TO MEASURE THE IDEAS AGAINST.

SO, UH, ANYONE ELSE? THE COMMISSIONER.

NOVE.

THANK YOU CHAIR.

UM, I ALSO, UH, I'M GONNA ECHO WHAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SAID.

I ALSO BELIEVE THIS, THIS, UH, MIGHT BE IN THE PURVIEW OF THIS COMMISSION.

UM, AND I AGREE WITH A LOT WHAT OF THE POINTS THAT THEY'VE SAID, SOME OF THE NOTES THAT I JOTTED DOWN, UM, AGAIN, THE LEGAL AND ETHICAL ISSUES THAT MAY ARISE, UM, LIKE COPYRIGHT AND OWNERSHIP OF THE WEB, OF THE WEBSITES, UH, THE CONTINUITY OF GOVERNMENT SERVICES BETWEEN OUTGOING AND INCOMING THAT THEY CONTINUE.

UM, AGAIN, LIKE, UH, MY COLLEAGUE MENTIONED, UH, CITY AND NON-CITY RESOURCES BEING USED OR NOT USED, UM, CLEAR MESSAGING WHEN THE INCOMING AND THE OUTGOING, UH, OF THE TRANSITION OF INCOMING OUTGOING, UM, THE DESIGN OF THE WEBSITES OR SOCIAL MEDIA.

UM, THE PHOTOS BE CHANGED, THE MESSAGING BE CHANGED.

UM, AND AGAIN, WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT TRANSPARENCY, UM, INFORMING THE PUBLIC OF THE, OF ANY UPDATES OF THE TRANSITION, UM, AND HAVING CLEAR PRESS RELEASES.

UM, OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER SHOTWELL.

SORRY, I, THIS IS, UH, UH, I AGREE WITH ALL THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN SAID, ESPECIALLY ALSO WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER WISE AND NOVE.

UH, THIS MAY BE MY LAST MEETING,

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I ALSO THINK THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD REALLY BE HELPFUL IF THE COMMISSION WOULD CONTINUE TO TAKE A LOOK AT.

THANK YOU.

IS THERE ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC ON THIS ISSUE? IF THERE IS MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM NOW.

HI, COMMISSIONERS.

THIS IS' AN IMPROMPTU SPEECH.

UM, OKAY, SO I HAVE A LOT TO SAY ON THIS.

AND YOU WANTED TANGIBLE EXAMPLES.

WE HAD A, A CITY COUNCIL MAN SITTING IN DISTRICT EIGHT, AL AUSTIN.

HE HAS A INSTAGRAM THAT STILL SAYS CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT EIGHT.

HE'S NO LONGER THERE.

HE'S GOT PHOTOS, HE POSTS THINGS.

IT'S VERY CONFUSING, UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT.

AND THEN HE RAN FOR ASSEMBLY MEMBERS.

SO YOU HAVE AL AUSTIN ASSEMBLY MEMBER, HE LOST, BUT IT'S VERY CONFUSING.

SO THEN HE MAKES COMMENTS, I THINK ON TENA.

HE'LL MAKE COMMENTS ABOUT WHAT SHE'S DOING WRONG.

AND IT'S VERY CONFUSING WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THIS GOING, ARE YOU NOT THE CITY COUNCIL PERSON? ARE YOU RUNNING, IT'S VERY CONFUSING IN THE PUBLIC.

HE JUST CHANGED IT.

BUT THERE SHOULD BE A DISCLAIMER SAYING NO LONGER CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT EIGHT.

SO HERE'S PROOF RIGHT HERE.

THEN YOU CAN ALSO LOOK AT SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNTS, WHICH I DON'T KNOW, THERE'S A TON OF CITY COMMISSIONERS THAT I KNOW, A LOT OF VETERAN ETHICS COMMISSIONERS, AND THEY ARE STILL VETERAN CITY COMMISSIONER, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NO LONGER A COMMISSIONER.

AND THEY MAKE COMMENTS.

AND IT'S, ARE THEY SPEAKING AS A CITY COMMISSIONER? ARE THEY SPEAKING AT THE PUBLIC? SOCIAL MEDIA DOESN'T COVER THAT.

THIRD, IT'S VERY CONFUSING.

WHEN AN ELECTED OFFICIAL RUNS AND USES A SOCIAL MEDIA, THEY WIN NOW.

SO WE HAVE, LIKE CINDY ALLEN, SHE RAN, UM, I THINK 2019, SHE HAS THAT WEBSITE, 2022 WEBSITE, 20 WHATEVER, UH, SHE RAN.

AND SO SHE HAS FIVE INSTAGRAMS PLUS HER PERSONAL.

AND IT'S VERY CONFUSING.

YOU DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE TO LOOK AT AT TIMES.

AND THEN ME, I RAN FOR CITY COUNCIL AND I HAD ALL THE SOCIAL MEDIA AND A SOCIAL MEDIA PERSON.

UM, I LOST AND GOT CREAMED, BUT UM, I STILL WERE GETTING MESSAGES.

AND IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE GOOD GUY, BAD GUY, CHARLIE, THIS IS GOING ON IN DISTRICT ONE AND THIS IS GOING ON.

AND I'M LIKE, I LOST.

AND SO I HAD TO DELETE MY SOCIAL MEDIA, BUT THAT GOES ON.

SO PLEASE UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU RUN FOR OFFICE AND LOSE, AND DON'T PUT THAT, YOU'RE GETTING INUNDATED.

I THINK I GOT 45 MESSAGES ALMOST A MONTH, AND I WAS LIKE, GOD.

SO I JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT MAYBE Y'ALL COULD LOOK INTO, IF YOU ARE A CANDIDATE AND LOSE, YOU NEED TO LET THEM KNOW YOU LOST.

AND A DISCLAIMER, I'M ACTING IN MY OWN INDIVIDUAL.

AND THEN I THINK, SO I CAN GIVE YOU MY PERSONAL EXAMPLE.

AND THEN ALSO, UM, I THINK THAT ALL, ANYBODY WITH THE CITY, IT SHOULD BE, THIS IS OUR OFFICIAL SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNT BEING RUN, MAYBE THAT.

AND THEN I THINK ANY ELECTED OFFICIAL, THAT ONE, THEY SHOULD DELETE, JUST DELETE 'EM AND USE ONE ACCOUNT.

AND THEN THEIR PERSONAL ACCOUNT'S, THEIR OWN, BUT EVEN THEIR PERSONAL ACCOUNT, ELECTED OFFICIALS LIKE CINDY ALLEN, UM, STILL HAD VICE MAYOR, STILL HAS VICE MAYOR.

SO IS SHE ACTING AS VICE MAYOR? IS SHE ACTING? AND THAT'S HER PERSONAL SOCIAL MEDIA.

SO I'D ASK Y'ALL, WHAT'S, WHAT'S YOUR PERSONAL AND WHAT'S YOUR CITY? IT'S VERY, VERY CONFUSING.

AND SO, AND THEN ALSO PHOTOS, THEY'RE USING THE SAME PHOTOS ON THEIR PERSONAL ACCOUNT AS THEIR CITY ACCOUNT.

AND SOME OF 'EM ARE AMAZING PHOTOS.

BUT WHEN YOU'RE GOOGLING AND TRYING TO REACH OUT TO THEM, YOU'RE REACHING OUT TO THEIR PERSONAL ACCOUNT.

AND THERE SHOULD BE DIFFERENT PHOTOS.

A DISCLAIMER, AND I'M JUST TELLING YOU, AS A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC, I, I THINK IT'S VERY CONFUSING AND IT CAUSES A LOT OF ISSUES WHEN YOU WANNA REACH YOUR ELECTED OFFICIAL AND YOU WANT TO DO IT THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA, YOU DON'T KNOW THAT YOU SHOULD BE EMAILING THEM.

AND SO THEY NEED TO KNOW THAT IS YOUR TIME.

SOCIAL MEDIA IS NOT A WAY TO REACH THE, THE COUNCIL PERSON.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

WE COULD, IF YOU, OH WAIT, SHE'S DONE.

CHAIR.

IF YOU DON'T MIND, CAN I JUST, UH, MAKE A QUICK COMMENT? UH, THANK YOU TO LEE FOR THOSE COMMENTS.

UM, I AGREE WITH A LOT OF WHAT HE SAID, AND ALSO IT MADE ME THINK OF SOMETHING THAT SO MANY OF US DO ALL THE TIME, AND WE PROBABLY DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT, IS WHENEVER, UM, WE ENDORSE SOMEBODY OR WE SUPPORT SOMEBODY, OUR NAME GOES ON A LIST IF WE CHOOSE IT TO BE PUBLIC, AND WE'LL ALWAYS HAVE AN ASTERISK AFTER THE ELECTED OR THE APPOINTED COMMISSIONER.

AND THEN AT THE BOTTOM IT'LL SAY, ASTERISK A DENOTES, UH, PER, UM, FOR IDENTIFICATION ONLY.

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OR IS THAT PERSON ENDORSING THE CANDIDATE AS AN INDIVIDUAL? THAT'S VERY EXTREMELY COMMON.

YEAH.

AND SO, THANKS, UH, UH, UM, WE HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM FURTHER DOWN ON POTENTIAL FOR AD HOCS.

AND I THINK WE CAN DISCUSS WHETHER OR NOT AN AD HOC IS THE APPROPRIATE WAY TO PROCEED FOR THIS ITEM WHEN WE GET TO THAT AGENDA ITEM.

UM, BUT CERTAINLY, I, I THINK IN THE FIRST INSTANCE, WHAT I'M HEARING IS THERE IS SUPPORT FOR PURSUING THIS AND THAT WE SHOULD, UH, LOOK TO STAFF IN THE FIRST INSTANCE TO GATHER SOME INFORMATION SO THAT WE CAN DEFINE THE PARAMETERS OF THE ISSUE BETTER.

I GUESS WE CAN MOVE TO A VOTE.

MOTION CARRIES AGENDA.

ITEM NUMBER THREE, RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE A REPORT ON THE 2024 CITY OF LONG BEACH STATEMENT OF ECONOMIC INTEREST FORM 700 FILERS.

I HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER WISE, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICTUS AND INPUT FROM

[3. 25-55737 Recommendation to receive and file a report on the 2024 City of Long Beach Statement of Economic Interest Form 700 filers.        Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]

HMM.

OH, PHILIP, NO, GO AHEAD.

IT'S A GREAT REPORT.

OH, WELL, I MEAN THIS.

THANK YOU.

THE REPORT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.

UH, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE NUMBERS, WE HAD A A HUNDRED PERCENT.

UM, THANK YOU, UH, FILING RATE TODAY, UM, OR TODAY, UH, THIS YEAR.

WE'VE ONLY MANAGED THIS ONE OTHER TIME, UH, DURING MY, MY TIME HERE WITH THE CITY.

SO IT WAS A BIG, A BIG SHOUT OUT TO ALL THE CLERKS, UH, UP ON THE 11TH FLOOR FOR YOUR HELP.

CITY MANAGER'S OFFICES, ALL THE AOS, EVERYBODY, UH, YOU KNOW, DEPARTMENT HEADS REALLY WRANGLING EVERYBODY TO GET THEIR, UH, FILINGS ACROSS THE LINE.

AND SO I JUST REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

I WANT TO HAVE GOTTEN THESE NUMBERS WITHOUT THE HELP, UH, OF MY TEAM.

SO THANK YOU.

WELL, CONGRATULATIONS TO THE WHOLE TEAM.

IT'S A GREAT REPORT.

WHEN I THINK ABOUT THE FIRST ONE WE GOT, YOU KNOW, IN WHAT, 2020? YEAH, A LOT OF WORK.

I MEAN, WE, WE TYPICALLY, UM, MANAGE CLOSE TO THE HIGH NINETIES.

SO IT'S, IT, WE TRY TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND, UH, TO TRY TO KEEP EVERYBODY AWAY FROM THE, THE ENFORCEMENT ARM OF THE FPVC.

UNFORTUNATELY, SOME PEOPLE CHOOSE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, IGNORE OUR ADVICE AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DO WITH THE BEST WE CAN, BUT IT'S ALWAYS GREAT WHEN WE HAVE A, A FULL COMPLIANT OFFICE.

SO, UH, WE'LL ALWAYS TAKE THAT OVER.

ANYTHING ELSE? YEAH, TAKE THE WIN.

THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER INPUT FROM THE COMMISSION? EXCELLENT.

BRIEFLY, JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU.

UM, I KNOW THAT, UM, THIS DEADLINE GOT EXTENDED, UM, BECAUSE OF THE WILDFIRES, AND SO THAT CAUSED A LITTLE BIT OF CHAOS IN YOUR OFFICE.

UM, BUT I KNOW THAT THIS IS REALLY A LABOR, UM, THAT TAKES A LOT OF UNDERTAKING.

SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND EFFORT, UM, AND ENSURING FULL COMPLIANCE.

COMMISSIONER WISE, I THINK THERE SHOULD BE CUPCAKES.

.

OKAY.

.

UM, PERHAPS NOT TODAY, BUT WE WILL DO THAT.

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IT'S A GOOD IDEA.

UH, I BELIEVE THAT MIGHT BE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST ON THE PART OF MISS COMMISSIONER WISE .

I WONT BE NEXT.

I THINK SHE MIGHT HAVE A PERSONAL INTEREST THERE.

I WON'T BE AT THE NEXT MEETING.

I'LL BUY THE CUPCAKES.

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NO, IT'S, CONGRATULATIONS.

THAT WAS THE POINT OF THE COMMENT.

I HOPE YOU UNDERSTOOD THAT.

YES.

THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? I WAS JUST CHOOSING IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS MATTER? LET'S MOVE TO A VOTE.

IF WE'RE HAVING TECHNICAL, WE'LL TAKE A, A VERBAL, UH, COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICTUS.

AYE.

OKAY, PERFECT.

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AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR, RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE, AND IF NECESSARY, PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO THE DRAFT EXECUTIVE SUMMARY OF THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE ETHICS COMMISSION AND THE OFFICE OF ETHICS AND TRANSPARENCY THAT WILL SERVE BOTH HISTORICAL AND EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES.

WE HAVE A MOTION FROM VICE CHAIR COLEMAN,

[4. 25-55738 Recommendation to receive and file, and if necessary, provide feedback to the draft executive summary of the establishment of the Ethics Commission and the Office of Ethics and Transparency that will serve both historical and educational purposes.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]

HI CHAIR.

SO, YES.

UM, THE STRATEGIC ROADMAP IDENTIFIED SEVERAL, UM, IN OUR FIRST PRIORITY CULTURE OF ETHICS, IDENTIFIED SEVERAL INITIATIVES AND PATHWAYS, UM, TO LIFT UP THE WORK OF THE COMMISSION AND THE OET.

UM, AND ONE OF THOSE WAS TO, UH, PUT TOGETHER AN EXECUTIVE SUMMARY ON BOTH THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE COMMISSION AND THE OET, UM, PRIMARILY TO SERVE BOTH HISTORICAL AND EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES.

SO WHAT I SENT OUT WAS, UM, THE FIRST DRAFT.

IT'S, AND SO AT THIS POINT, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE INPUT FROM THE COMMISSIONERS, UM, WHAT ELSE WE NEED TO ADD, WHATEVER WE NEED TO TAKE OUT.

UM, SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY.

SO HOPEFULLY, UM, EVERYONE HAD TIME TO GO OVER THAT, UH, INPUT FROM THE COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER WISE.

YEAH.

UM, I HAD A, A COUPLE OF COMMENTS, AND I'M, I'M REALLY GLAD THAT, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE DOING THIS.

UH, SO THANK YOU FOR, FOR GETTING IT, GETTING IT, GETTING IT UNDERWAY.

UM, ONE SUGGESTION.

I HAVE TWO SMALL SUGGESTIONS AND ONE SUGGESTION IN CONCEPT, UM, IN THE PARAGRAPH, UM, THAT STARTS ON NOVEMBER 6TH, 2018.

THE BACKGROUND AND CONTEXT SECTION, I THINK, UM, WE SHOULD ACTUALLY CITE THE CITY CHARTER.

I MEAN, TO REFERENCE THE, IT'S ARTICLE, UH, 24 IN ROMAN NUMERALS, IF I HAVE IT RIGHT.

UM, AND I THINK THAT SHOULD BE REFERENCED, AND IN THE NEXT PARAGRAPH, I THINK IT SHOULD, SHOULD SAY, MARKING A HISTORIC MILESTONE AS A FIRST CITY CHARTER COMMISSION DEDICATED SOLELY TO ETHICS OVERSIGHT EDUCATION AND POLICY ADVANCEMENT.

THERE'S, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IN THE CHARTER BETWEEN CHARTER COMMISSIONS AND, UM, AND, UM, ADVISORY COMMISSIONS.

AND, AND THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT, A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE IN SOME CONTEXTS.

UM, THE, THE THIRD IDEA I HAVE IS THAT WE SHOULD INCLUDE EITHER IN THE BACKGROUND AND CONTEXT SECTION OR THE RESPONSIBILITIES, UM, UH, SECTION, UM, THE REDISTRICTING COMMISSION RESPONSIBILITIES, BECAUSE THOSE ARE IN THE CHARTER.

UM, AND I THINK IT ALSO SH AND THAT IS ARTICLE 25 OF THE CHARTER AND THE RESPON, UH, I MEAN, THE CHARTER SPECIFICALLY PROVIDES THAT IT IS UP TO THE COMMISSION IF ONE, IF THERE ONE EXISTS, AND THERE IS ONE THAT EXISTS.

UM, THAT, THAT THEY WILL DO THE, THE SELECTION OF THE, UM, OF THE, UH, OF THE REDISTRICTING COMMISSION.

AND I THINK THIS REPORT, UM, SHOULD REFLECT ALSO THAT THE COMMISSION ISSUED A REPORT WITH ITS RECOMMENDATIONS FOR HOW THINGS COULD BE DONE GOING FORWARD BASED ON WHAT WAS LEARNED IN THE FIRST GO ROUND.

UM, AND I SAY THAT PARTLY BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHERE THIS DOCUMENT IS GONNA LIVE OR WHO'S GOING TO BE LOOKING AT IT WHEN, BUT I THINK THE FACT THAT THAT REPORT EXISTS IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY MAY NEED TO HAVE, NEED TO LOOK AT THAT OR RECALL THAT WHEN, UH, AND IT'LL ONLY BE, IT'S ONLY GOING TO, IT'S GONNA BE COMING UP HERE IN ABOUT THREE YEARS WHEN I THINK THEY'LL HAVE TO GET TO WORK ON IT AGAIN.

SO I THINK THIS SHOULD, SHOULD REFERENCE, SHOULD REFERENCE THAT, MY GOD, .

UM, AND ACTUALLY, I THOUGHT OF A FOURTH, UM, FOURTH THING, UH, THE COMMISSION ACTUALLY STARTED, IT HAD ITS FIRST MEETING IN NOVEMBER OF, OF 2019.

THAT IS WHEN THE FIRST FOUR MEMBERS MET AND THEN APPOINTED THE, THE REMAINING MEMBERS.

AND, AND I THINK THAT SELECTION PROCESS AND THE FACT THAT THE, THAT THAT WAS WHAT

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AND THERE ARE MINUTES AND AGENDAS STARTING IN NOVEMBER OF 2019, OR YEAH, 2019.

SO THOSE ARE MY SUGGESTIONS.

COMMISSIONER SHOTWELL.

UH, SO I VERY MUCH AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER WEISS, AND I THINK, UM, MUCH OF WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY, SHE'S COVERED.

I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND REITERATE A COUPLE JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NO, I SUPPORT, UH, THE CHANGES THAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT.

I WANNA SAY VERY NICE JOB PUTTING IT TOGETHER.

UM, I CONCUR WITH COMMISSIONER WEISS WITH REGARD TO THE 2019 COMMENT AND HOW THAT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED.

I, UH, WAS THINKING IT SHOULD BE 2019, BUT I ALSO THOUGHT THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO PUT SOMETHING IN ABOUT A, THE FULL, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST FOUR AND THEN THE FULL COMMISSION IN 2020.

UM, A MINOR NOTE IS, UH, IN THE THIRD PARAGRAPH, FOURTH PARAGRAPH, UH, WE SPELL OUT OFFICE OF ETHICS AND TRANSPARENCY AGAIN, UH, WITH WHEN THAT WAS DONE IN THE FIRST, THAT MAY BE INTENTIONAL.

I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.

UM, DEFINITELY AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER WEISS WITH REGARDS TO THE, UH, DE COMMISSION, I MEAN THE, UM, REDISTRICTING COMMISSION.

AND, UM, ALSO WITH REGARDS TO HAVING IT MENTIONING THAT IT'S A CHARTER COMMISSION.

UM, LASTLY, MAYBE TO, UH, GIVEN THE FACT THAT, UH, FORMER COMMISSIONER, FORMER CHAIR MORALES IS NOT HERE, I DO THINK THAT IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE AND PROBABLY HELPFUL FOR THE COMMISSION AS IT STANDS NOW TO, AT THE APPROPRIATE PLACE.

I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE IT WOULD BE.

UH, NOTE THAT THE COMMISSION DOES NOT HAVE INVESTIGATORY AUTHORITY.

THANK YOU.

BUT NICE JOB COMMISSIONER NOVEY.

THANK YOU, CHAIR.

THANK YOU, HEATHER.

UM, I HAVE TWO SUGGESTIONS FOR THE COMMISSION OR FOR HEATHER.

UM, I WAS READING, WHEN I READ THE SUMMARY, UM, TO ME IT SEEMED LIKE IT'S A, A COMPREHENSIVE SCOPE OF, UM, OF THE HISTORICAL FORMATION AND, UH, THE ROLE OF THE COMMISSION IN OAT.

AND I WAS JUST CURIOUS, WHEN, UM, WE TALK ABOUT THE HELPLINE SUPPORT UNDER A OET HEADLINE, UM, THE HELPLINE OFFERS A SAFE, I'M JUST WONDERING, IN CONTEXT OF HISTORICAL AND EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES, SHOULD WE REFERENCE ANY KEY, UM, ACHIEVEMENTS, UM, ANY QUANTITATIVE INFORMATION? FOR EXAMPLE, UM, SINCE THE INCEPTION, UM, THE HELPLINE HAS RECEIVED X AND Y TYPE OF INQUIRIES, WOULDN'T THAT HELP SOLIDIFY, UM, THE HELPLINE OR THE REPORT? THAT'S ONE SUGGESTION.

THE OTHER SUGGESTION IS, UH, CONSIDER, UM, ADDING A CLOSING PARAGRAPH OR CLOSING SUMMARY, TYING EVERYTHING TOGETHER.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

UH, COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICTUS, UM, I THANK YOU.

I THINK, UH, I WAS GLAD THAT COMMISSIONER SHOTWELL MENTIONED, UH, THAT WE SHOULD STATE THAT WE DON'T HAVE INVESTIGATIVE AUTHORITY.

UH, 'CAUSE THAT'S WHERE I WAS, YOUR, WHAT, WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR IN THE REPORT.

AND I, IT WAS, UH, A REMINDER THAT WE DO NOT HAVE THAT.

BUT, UH, TO, YOU REFER TO YOURSELF OR THE ORGANIZATION AS A HUB, YOU ARE THE, THE ONLY CLEARINGHOUSE FOR ALL THAT ACTIVITY.

AND I DO THINK, UH, WHERE POSSIBLE YOU NEED TO SPEAK TO THE FACT FINDING AND THE LEVEL OF WORK THAT YOU DO, UH, TO RESOLVE ISSUES, UM, THAT ARE INCOMING.

UH, 'CAUSE IT, THEY GO HAND IN HAND, EVEN THOUGH THE INVESTIGATIVE AUTHORITY DOES NOT EXIST.

A GREAT DEAL OF WORK AND PROGRESS THAT HAS BEEN MADE IN PARTNERING WITH THE, UM, ESPECIALLY WITH AUDIT, ET CETERA.

AND THAT'S IT FOR ME, VICE CHAIR COLEMAN.

AND THEN, UH, MINE IS SMALL.

I JUST, UM, I KNOW IN THE, IN THE BUDGET, WE ALWAYS ASK FOR A BIT OF, UM, FUNDING, DOLLARS FOR TRAINING.

AND UNDER THE TRAINING LEADERSHIP, I THINK PART OF THE REASON WHY WE ARE ABLE TO HAVE SUCH STRONG LEADERSHIP IN OUR TRAINING PROGRAMS IS BECAUSE WE DO GO AND ATTEND EVENTS TO MAINTAIN OUR BEST PRACTICES.

UM, AND SO MAYBE JUST A SENTENCE, UM, UNDER TRAINING, THAT TRAINING LEADERSHIP KIND OF, UH, BULLET POINT OF SAYING, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, MAINTAINING BEST PRACTICES BY ATTENDING AND PRESENTING AT, UM,

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UM, JUST A, JUST A THOUGHT THERE.

COMMISSIONER SHOTWELL, UH, COMMISSIONER NOVE, UH, PROMPTED ME TO THINK OF ONE ADDITIONAL THING, AND THAT IS, YOU KNOW, I LIKED HIS IDEA OF A CONCLUSION.

UM, BUT THEN ALSO I THINK IF WE CAN SOMEHOW INCORPORATE IN HERE KIND OF THE THEME OF THE COMMISSION, WHICH WE'VE BEEN FOCUSED ON THE OFFICE, AND THEN ON THE CITY IS OUR ANCHORED AN ETHICS SLOGAN.

AND THEN HOW THE COMMISSION IS ALWAYS LOOKING TO IMPROVE, WHICH I THINK THIS HAS BEEN MENTIONED, BUT, AND THIS MAY BE IN THE CONCLUSION, BUT HOW THE COMMISSION'S ALWAYS LOOKING TO, AND THE OFFICE IS ALWAYS LOOKING TO IMPROVE THE CITY'S, UH, ETHICAL AND COMPLIANT BEHAVIOR.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER WISE.

YEAH, AND, UM, I HAD ONE OTHER THOUGHT LISTENING TO, UM, COMMISSIONER COLEMAN, UM, WHICH IS, HE MENTIONED THE WORD BUDGET, AND .

UH, THAT MADE ME THINK ABOUT IT.

UM, I, I THINK IN THE, UM, BACKGROUND AND CONTEXT, MAYBE THE LAST SENTENCE OF THAT SECTION COULD SAY BEGINNING IN WHATEVER YEAR IT WAS, I, I THINK IT WAS, IT WAS 21, 20 21, OR MAYBE IT WAS 21, 22.

BUT ANYWAY, UM, THE MUNICIPAL BUDGET HAS INCLUDED, UM, THE, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC ITEMS FOR THE, FOR THE COMMISSION.

AND THAT IN FACT IS MORE OR LESS, I THINK, REQUIRED BY THE CHARTER.

I MEAN, SOMEBODY WOULD, BUT, BUT THERE'S REFERENCE TO THE NEED TO, TO FUND THE COMMISSION.

SO I THINK, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO REITERATE IT IN THE, IN THE HISTORY COMMISSIONER NOVA, UH, THANK YOU CHAIR, UM, TO COMMISSIONER SHOT WELL'S, UM, RECOMMENDATION.

I ALSO HAD THAT, UM, AND I WORDED IT AS, UM, AS IN TERMS OF THE CONCLUDING PARAGRAPH OR STATEMENT, I WORDED IT AS FORWARD LOOKING ROLE OF THE OET AND THE ETHICS COMMISSION, BUT VERY SIMILAR.

THANKS.

UM, I, I HAVE ONE THOUGHT, AND IT MIGHT BE INCONSISTENT WITH COMMISSIONER NOVA'S POINT ON HELPLINE STATISTICS, BUT I'M NOT SURE, UM, CERTAINLY CONSISTENT WITH THE FORWARD LOOKING ROLE.

UM, I, I, I LOVE THINGS LIKE THE ETHICAL ELEPHANT RIGHT NOW, BUT IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A, A FORWARD LOOKING ROLE, THE ETHICAL ELEPHANT IN TWO YEARS, IN FIVE YEARS MAY NOT BE THE RIGHT, UH, MECHANISM FOR STRATEGIC COMMUNICATIONS.

UM, AND I WONDER IF WE SHOULD MAKE IT, HAVE THE, THE, THE SUMMARY BE A BIT MORE GENERIC AND TALK ABOUT MORE ABOUT THE, UM, INTENT BEHIND THE NEWSLETTER AND THE LUNCH AND LEARNS, ET CETERA.

UH, SO THAT YOU ARE CONSTANTLY EVOLVING.

AND IT MAY BE LUNCH AND LEARNS TODAY, BUT IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING ELSE IN TWO YEARS.

SO IT'S FOCUSED ON USING THE TOOLS, USING, UM, THE METHODOLOGIES, THE PROCESSES TO ENGAGE IN ENHANCING ETHICAL AWARENESS.

AND, YOU KNOW, RELATIVE TO THE HELPLINE, YOU, THE HELPLINE IS THERE BECAUSE YOU ARE THE SOURCE OF, UH, OF ETHICAL CONVERSATIONS WITHIN THE CITY.

UM, JUST A THOUGHT, UH, AS TO, YOU KNOW, IF THIS IS, WE'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA BE UPDATING THIS TOO FREQUENTLY, SO I JUST WANT IT TO, UH, BE VERY FORWARD LOOKING AND NOT HAVE THINGS IN IT THAT MIGHT GO BY THE WAYSIDE, BECAUSE, NOT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT WORKING TODAY, BUT BECAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING MORE EFFECTIVE THAT WE, WE, UH, THAT THE OET HOOKS ONTO IN TWO YEARS.

I, I AGREE, UH, WITH THE CHAIR, ESPECIALLY WITH REGARD TO THE ETHICAL ELEMENT ELEPHANT.

UH, THE ONLY EXCEPTION THAT I WOULD MAKE, UH, JUST ASK THAT THE COMMISSION AND STAFF CONSIDER IT IS POSSIBLY THAT HULK ANCHORED IN ETHICS SLOGAN, WHICH I THINK COULD BE MORE ENDURING.

AND I'D LIKE TO ALSO SEE IT USED MORE WITHIN THE CITY.

AND I THINK MAYBE HELPLINE IS MORE ENDURING AS WELL.

THAT'S WHY I'VE SAID, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S INCONSISTENT.

HELPLINE IS A HELPLINE VERSUS THE HELPLINE.

I AGREE.

I THINK THERE WILL ALWAYS

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SO, GOOD POINT.

THANKS.

I ABSOLUTELY AGREE.

AND JUST, I WOULD ALSO PREFER NEVER TO HAVE IT CALLED A HOTLINE.

.

, ANY OTHER INPUT FROM THE COMMISSION? UH, THANK YOU, UH, HEATHER AND THE STAFF.

IT'S REALLY AN EXCELLENT, UM, START.

UH, ANY, UH, COMMENT FROM THE PUBLIC.

IF THERE ARE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM.

HELLO AGAIN, LEAD CHARLIE, DISTRICT TWO.

NOW WHAT HAT AM I WEARING? THE IDIOM WEARING MANY HATS IS STUDIED AND TAUGHT AT MANY POLITICAL SCIENCE AND BUSINESS CLASSES IN HIGHER EDUCATION AROUND THE WORLD.

WE CAN HEAR NO HATS ARE WEAR MANY HATS AT THE SAME TIME.

BIG HAT, LEADERSHIP, HOBBS, LEVIATHAN THEORY ROLE, IDENTITY THEORY, HARVARD BUSINESS REVIEW DID A STUDY WRITING ON THE NEED FOR LEADERS TO USE A META ETHICAL LENS CALLED METACOGNITION, WHICH IS, UM, EXPLANATION IN THE HANDOUT I GAVE YOU.

BEING AWARE OF AND CONTROLLING ONE'S COGNITIVE PROCESSES OF MAKING AN ETHICAL DECISION.

I'M GOING TO GIVE EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM AND LISTENING AND, UM, A HYPOTHETICAL, NOT REAL, A HYPOTHETICAL META ETHICAL DILEMMA QUESTION.

THEN I'M GONNA ASK EACH OF YOU AND LISTENING IN THE ROOM TO ANSWER WEARING MANY HATS.

NUMBER ONE HAT NUMBER ONE, MY PAST.

I WAS A FORMER VO, A HOMELESS VETERAN LIVING IN LONG BEACH.

I WAS HIRED BY LIVING AT US VETS AT A DOWNTOWN RESTAURANT.

OVER THE YEARS, I BECAME A MANAGER, GENERAL MANAGER, BUSINESS CONSULTANT, A 10% OWNER OF THE GRAND ROMANCE RIVERBOAT.

I THREW MANY PRIDES, LATINO HIP HOP, BURLESQUE, JAZZ, DISNEY MURDER, MYSTERY DINNER CRUISES, ALL POPULAR EVENTS RESULTING IN ME PERSONALLY MEETING THOUSANDS OF LONG BEACH RESIDENTS.

I BECAME PERSONAL FRIENDS WITH SOME CURRENT AND PAST ELECTED OFFICIALS WHO RODE ON MY RIVERBOAT.

I SPENT THANKSGIVING AND CHRISTMAS WITH ONE CURRENT ELECTED OFFICIAL AT THEIR PERSONAL HOME.

THE CITY EVICTED OUR PADDLE WHEEL BOAT ON FEBRUARY OF 2018.

YOU CAN GOOGLE IT.

I BECAME ACTIVE IN LONG BEACH POLITICS.

HAT NUMBER TWO, MY VOLUNTEERING COMMUNITY.

I'M ACTIVE IN FOUR NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS.

MEMBER OF NUMEROUS POLITICAL CLUBS DO POLITICAL OPPOSITION RESEARCH, FILE FPPC COMPLAINTS A LOT, HELP, UH, CONNECT VETERANS TO RESOURCES.

AND I LOVE READING POLITICAL THEORY ARTICLES HAT NUMBER THREE.

I'M NOW WORKING ON A WINNING CITY ELECT COUNCIL ELECTION.

WHAT IF I HELP? WHAT IF I HELP SOMEONE RUNNING FOR OFFICE AND SHE WINS THEIR ELECTION? I BECOME THE THEIR FIELD DEPUTY.

I AM NOW PART OF THE LONG BEACH FAMILY, AND MUST ABIDE BY A DIFFERENT SET OF RULES.

AND UNDERSTANDING THAT WORKING FOR AN ELECTED OFFICIAL IS A 24 7 JOB.

YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT IF AN EMERGENCY MIGHT OCCUR, THAT ELECTED OFFICIAL AND IC EACH OTHER 30 HOURS A WEEK.

HAT NUMBER FOUR? HAT NUMBER FOUR, FINANCIAL PLAYER AND LONG BEACH POLITICS.

I CREATED AND FORMED A POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE IN LONG BEACH.

I AM NOW PRESIDENT OF AN ENDORSEMENT POLITICAL CLUB.

WORKED FOR A POLITICAL STRATEGIST FIRM, WORKED WITH THE POLITICAL LOBBYISTS, CONDUCT MANY FUNDRAISERS, ALL TO MY ALL, ALL FOR MY, UH, TO GET MY DEAR FRIEND REELECTED.

I THINK I DROPPED A HAT, BUT, UM, SO NOW I ASK EVERYONE IN THE ROOM AND LISTENING TO THIS, I'M GONNA TAKE OFF HATS NUMBER FOUR AND NUMBER THREE.

SO NOW THE QUESTION IS THESE HATS I JUST TOOK OFF.

I AM WORKING FOR THE CITY OF LONG BEACH.

I WORK AT HOME TELECOMMUTE WHILE AT HOME.

I ORGANIZE A POLITICAL FUNDRAISER FOR MY PACK.

I EMAIL AND CALL PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY DURING NORMAL CITY.

THAT IS YOUR TIME.

CALL, HOURS AND PERSONAL, USING MY PERSONAL CALL AND EMAIL, PLEASE.

TIME MY PERSONAL FRIEND.

ALMOST OVER COMMENT, PLEASE.

WHO IS THE INCUMBENT DONATES MONEY TO MY PACK.

I'VE NOW COME AN INVESTIGATION INTO POSSIBLE CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

PLEASE, YOUR COMMENT.

SO WHAT IS THE VIOLATION COMMENT? THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.

I'M LORI WARE LOGAN OF THE FIRST DISTRICT, AND I'M THANKFUL FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO COME BEFORE YOU TODAY.

HEAD COVERING.

OUR HATS HAVE A SYMBOLIC MEANING RELATED TO GENDER, ROLES, AUTHORITY, AND RESPECT.

HATS SYMBOLIZE AUTHORITY AND RESPECT FOR THAT POSITION.

WHEN THERE ARE OVERLAPPING OF HATS, CONFUSION BEGINS TO ENTER THE EQUATION.

THERE IS CONFUSION ABOUT THE STANCE OR A PARTICULAR POSITION.

HENCE THE QUESTION IS, IS THIS THE STANCE OF THE OPINION? OR IS THIS YOUR POSITION OF AUTHORITY? YOUR TITLE REQUIRES THAT

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YOU ARE TO INVESTIGATE ELECTED OFFICIALS ON THE MERIT OF THE FACTS.

THIS COUNTRY HAS NO KINGS WHERE COUNTRY OF LAW AND ORDER, NO ONE PERSON IS ABOVE THE LAW.

FRIENDSHIPS AND PERSONAL AMBITIONS SHOULD NEVER BE FACTORED INTO THE ACTIONS OF DETERMINING WHETHER OR NOT TO LOOK INTO, TO INVESTIGATE OR THE OUTCOME, OR INVESTIGATE SOMETHING THAT IS, THIS IS A NEW ERA, AND THE OLD WAY OF DOING BUSINESS AS USUAL, HAS BECOME UNACCEPTABLE.

IF WE CONTINUE TO FOLLOW THE OLD ORDER, THEN WE, WE HAVE TO BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE ACTIONS THAT WE TAKE.

SO NOW IS THE TIME TO STEP ASIDE, BECAUSE YOUR SO YOUR SERVICES WILL NO BE, NO LONGER BE NEEDED.

IF YOU'RE GONNA FOLLOW THE SAME ORDER, YOU MUST TAKE HEED TO MY WORDS, MAY GOD OPEN YOUR EARS THAT YOU HEAR THE WORDS OF THE CRIES OF YOUR FELLOW CITIZENS.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

SHOULD WE MOVE TO A VOTE? THERE ARE NO FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS.

WE CAN MOVE TO VOTE.

MOTION CARRIES.

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE, RECOMMENDATION TO CONSIDER AND DISCUSS NEXT STEPS IN CITY POLICIES REVIEW.

I HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER SHOTWELL, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICTUS.

[5. 25-55739 Recommendation to consider and discuss next steps in City policies review.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]

YEAH, GO AHEAD.

THANKS, CHAIR.

SO, UM, I JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW THIS ITEM, THE CHAIR APPROVED, OF COURSE.

AND, UM, THE THOUGHT BEHIND THIS ITEM WAS TO CIRCLE BACK TO SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS THAT THE AGA AD HOC THAT WE WERE HAVING AS WE WRAPPED UP THAT PROJECT IN RECOGNIZING THAT A EGA IS GONNA TAKE A LITTLE WHILE TO, TO MAKE ITS WAY THROUGH COUNCIL, AND THEN IF THERE ARE MEET AND CONFERS, UM, ALL OF THAT.

SO THAT COULD TAKE A WHILE.

BUT WE ALSO AGREED THAT WHILE EGA TOUCHES ON THINGS, CERTAIN, UM, TOPICS, THAT THERE'S STILL A NEED FOR POLICY REVIEW, UM, ADMINISTRATIVE REGULATIONS REVIEW, UM, AND THEN, UH, PERSONNEL POLICIES REVIEW.

SO WHILE EGA IS DOING WHAT IT'S DOING, I JUST THOUGHT THE COMMISSION MAY WANNA THINK ABOUT DIFFERENT POLICIES.

UM, AND I KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD THAT CONVERSATION BEFORE IN THE PAST.

DIFFERENT POLICIES, GIFTS, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT SHOULD PROBABLY BE UPDATED.

UM, AND, AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF, IF THAT'S AN AD HOC OR JUST SOME, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

UM, I KNOW COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICTUS HAD SOME REALLY GOOD SPECIFIC IDEAS.

NOT TO PUT HER ON THE SPOT, BUT, UM, IF SHE COULD TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE TO KIND OF THE IDEA BEHIND POLICY REVIEW, I THINK THAT COULD BE HELPFUL TOO.

YEAH.

UM, UH, THE AD HOC SPENT A LOT OF TIME.

UM, YOU CAN'T GO THROUGH THAT.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW MANY PAGES IT WAS.

50 PLUS PAGES OF, OF, UH, INFORMATION WITHOUT THINKING OF WHERE THE GAPS IN THE WHITE SPACES ARE.

UM, AND ONE OF THE AREAS THAT WE KNEW EVEN BEFORE IT, UH, AND SHOULD IT GET, UH, APPROVED, WE NEED SOMETHING OTHER THAN THE CITY ETHICS GUIDE.

UH, AR I DON'T THINK WE HAVE REALLY ANYTHING THAT IS COMPREHENSIVE ON GIFTS.

UM, THE OTHER AREAS THAT, UM, WHERE I'D MADE RECOMMENDATIONS IS TAKING A LOOK AT ONBOARDING.

UH, 'CAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY PROCESSES THAT ARE AFFECTED THERE.

UH, BUT A USE OF CITY RESOURCES POLICY, UH, THE ORDINANCE, UM, IN DRAFT IS, IS GOOD, BUT IT IS NOT IN PLAIN

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UM, ANOTHER AREA WOULD BE TIMEKEEPING, AS WE KNOW, TIMEKEEPING AND LABOR.

UH, AND COST CHARGING COULD PROBABLY BE, UM, ADDRESSED IN AN AR, BUT OF, OF COURSE IT WOULD BE MANAGED BY FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT.

UM, ALSO CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

I THINK WE, THERE MAY BE A NEED TO HAVE MORE THAN ONE, UH, PLACE IF YOU WANT TO ADDRESS SPECIFIC ISSUES LIKE REVOLVING DOOR, ET CETERA.

AND JUST TO SIMPLIFY USING THE AR PROCESS TO GET US WHERE WE NEED, UH, WHAT CURRENTLY EXISTS.

AND THEN ALSO, UM, KNOWING THAT WE'RE GONNA PROBABLY GET IMPROVEMENTS WHEN THE ORDINANCE GETS, UM, UH, PASSED.

SHOULD IT GET IT PASSED.

UH, BUT I'M, I'M WILLING TO WORK ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I'D LIKE TO WORK ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT IF, UH, UM, OR IF THERE'S ANOTHER METHOD, UM, HOW STAFF WOULD LIKE TO USE, UH, THIS COMMISSION OR ME.

UM, I'M OPEN TO THAT, BUT I WANTED TO, I THINK THAT WE WOULD ALL AGREE THAT THE ORDINANCE IS NOT ENOUGH.

MM-HMM .

COMMISSIONER SHOTWELL, I, I WON'T REITERATE MY PRIOR COMMENTS, BUT SURE.

ALSO, PROBABLY APP MORE APPLICABLE HERE.

I WOULD ACCEPT TO SAY THAT WHILE, UH, WE'RE NOT THE COMPLIANCE AND ETHICS COMMISSION, WE'RE THE ETHICS COMMISSION, I THINK COMPLIANCE HAS A, UH, FALLS FITS WITHIN AND FALLS UNDER ETHICS.

AND THERE'S A CLOSE ASSOCIATION WITH COMPLIANCE AND ETHICS.

UH, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER DAVE BENEDICTUS.

UH, I THINK THAT THIS COMMISSION SHOULD HAVE A ROLE ACROSS THE BOARD WITH REGARD TO ALL CITY POLICIES AND ALL CITY ADMINISTRATIVE REGULATIONS.

AND THERE MAY BE AREAS WHERE THE, UH, SOME CITY DEPARTMENTS WOULD SAY WHY.

UH, BUT I THINK IT REALLY GETS BACK DOWN TO POLICIES DIRECTLY TIED TO COMPLIANCE.

THERE'S ETHICAL, UH, YOU KNOW, TO THE EXTENT SOMEBODY DOES NOT FOLLOW AN ETH UH, ADMINISTRATIVE REGULATION, UH, THERE CAN BE RAMIFICATIONS FOR THAT INDIVIDUAL.