* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:02:08] GOOD EVENING. IT'S JUST AFTER FIVE. WE'RE JUST DEALING WITH A COUPLE OF TECHNICAL, UM, CHALLENGES AND WE'LL BE GETTING STARTED SOON. [00:06:45] THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. WE HAD A LITTLE TECHNICAL DIFFICULTY. IT'S ALL GOOD. NOW [CALL TO ORDER] I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER'S SPECIAL, UH, MEETING TO ORDER FOR JULY 17TH, 2025. MADAM CLERK, [ROLL CALL] WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLE COMMISSIONER CASTILLO? PRESENT. COMMISSIONER CLEMSON? HERE. COMMISSIONER ES? HERE. COMMISSIONER SANTOS. COMMISSIONER SUAREZ. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER WHERE? HERE. VICE CHAIR TEMPLATE. PRESENT. THANK YOU. WE HAVE, WE HAVE QUORUM FOR THE RECORD. COMMISSIONER SANTOS IS EXCUSED FROM THE MEETING. UH, ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? COMMISSIONERS. OKAY. AND IF I MAY, VICE CHAIR, COULD I JUST, UH, WE HAVE PROCEDURAL THING. WE WANNA MAKE SURE IF ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC IS WATCHING THIS MEETING BUT WAS NOT ABLE TO LOG INTO THE ZOOM, THE LINK ON THE AGENDA AND THE WEBSITE ARE CORRECT, BUT IF YOU'RE USING THE MEETING ID ON THE, UM, AGENDA, IT MAY NOT BE BRINGING YOU TO THE RIGHT PLACE. UH, SO, UM, THE MEETING ID THAT SHOULD BE USED WOULD BE 9 3 4 1 0 9 6 4 1 3 3. AND THAT IS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION WEBPAGE. WE DO SEE, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO LOG INTO THE ZOOM, BUT JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IS, UM, CLEAR TO EVERYONE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, ARE THERE ANY, UM, OBJECTIONS? I'M DIDN'T SEE A OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CASTILLO, WOULD YOU LEAD [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE] US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? PLEASURE. YES, PLEASE STAND. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG. FLAG. I MEAN, NOT STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU. IT IS, UH, NOW TIME FOR THE SWEARING OF WITNESSES. IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE GIVING TESTIMONY, PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. OKEY DOKE. DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE EVIDENCE YOU SHALL GIVE IN THIS PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING SHALL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? THANK YOU SO MUCH. PLEASE BE SEATED. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT. UM, MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO HEAR THIS ITEM PLEASE? SO MOVED. SECOND. SO WE HAVE A MOVE BY COMMISSIONER CASTILLO AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LEMI. [00:10:04] I'M WRITING THOSE IN. THANK YOU, . UM, I WILL TURN THINGS OVER [1. 25-55834 Recommendation to receive and file Director’s Report.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation.  ] NOW TO THE STAFF FOR THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT. WONDERFUL, THANK YOU SO MUCH. VICE CHAIR. UH, AND THANK YOU COMMISSION, UH, FOR BEING HERE THIS EVENING ON BACK TO BACK THURSDAYS AS, UM, WE ARE IN SUMMER, BUT THE WORK DOES GO ON HERE AT PLANNING. UH, WE GAVE AN UPDATE LAST WEEK ABOUT THE SWEEPING CHANGES RELATED TO, UH, SQL REFORM UNDER CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT THAT WERE ENACTED, UM, THROUGH THE NEW, UM, BUDGET CYCLE THIS YEAR. SO STAFF CONTINUES TO, UM, ANALYZE THOSE IMPACTS AND THINK ABOUT HOW THIS COULD HELP US TO, UH, STREAMLINE PROJECTS. UH, WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THAT ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, UM, BUT ARE EXCITED FOR THE POTENTIAL THAT THAT WILL HAVE. AND WE ANTICIPATE HAVING A MEMO OUT TO THE PUBLIC VERY SOON, UM, TO PROVIDE SOME INITIAL GUIDANCE ON HOW WE WILL BE ABLE TO USE THESE NEW BILLS TO, UM, HELP, UM, NO LONGER NEED TO CONDUCT FULL QUA ANALYSIS FOR CERTAIN INFILL HOUSING PROJECTS IN PARTICULAR. SO VERY EXCITING FOR HELPING US MEET OUR HOUSING GOALS UNDER SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE PROJECTS ARE IN WHAT, WHAT WE CALL INFILL ENVIRONMENT. SO ALREADY BUILT OUT NOT SENSITIVE HABITAT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. UM, SO EXCITED FOR THAT. UM, I MENTIONED IT AT THE TOP OF THE MEETING, BUT WE DID HAVE, UM, UH, UH, AGAIN, AN ISSUE WITH THE ZOOM LINK AND JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE IS ABLE TO ACCESS THE MEETING. UM, SO PLEASE DO USE THE ZOOM LINK, UM, THE LINK ITSELF, EITHER ON THE WEBSITE OR ON THE AGENDA AS OPPOSED TO THE MEETING ID, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU CAN ACCESS THIS MEETING FULLY. UM, AND WITH THOSE TWO UPDATES, THAT CONCLUDES MY DIRECTOR'S REPORT. I APPRECIATE THAT. UM, I, I HAVE A QUESTION, A CLARIFICATION PLEASE. ON THE, UM, NEW THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE GETTING, IS THERE A WINDOW WHERE ITEMS THAT WERE COVERED UNDER THE OLD RULES THAT MAY HAVE CHANGED THAT THE, UH, PETITIONERS MAY REQUEST THAT IT WOULD BECOME UNDER THE NEW RULES THAT THEY HAVEN'T STARTED THEIR PROJECT YET? YEAH, THANKS FOR THE QUESTION. SO, UM, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY, YOU'RE ASKING IS THERE SORT OF LIKE A, A PERIOD OR TIMEFRAME FOR A PROJECT, UM, TO BE ABLE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA BE CONSIDERED UNDER THE NEW RULES? IS THAT ESSENTIALLY YES, CORRECT. YES. SO, UM, PART OF WHAT'S SO UNUSUAL IS THAT TYPICALLY, UM, A BILL WILL GET SIGNED BY SEPTEMBER AND WILL NOT GO INTO EFFECT UNTIL JANUARY 1ST. IN THIS CASE, WHEN A BUDGET IS ADOPTED AT THE STATE LEVEL, IT GOES INTO EFFECT IMMEDIATELY. SO THOSE RULES ARE IN PLACE AND THEY CAN IMPACT BOTH CURRENT AND FUTURE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE PROCESSING. SO WE ACTUALLY STOPPED WORK ON SEVERAL, UM, HOUSING DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS THAT WE WERE DOING CA ANALYSIS FOR THAT DO APPEAR TO, UM, BE ABLE TO USE THIS NEW, UM, STATUTORY EXEMPTION UNDER THE LAW, UH, WHILE WE CONTINUE TO ANALYZE IT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CORRECT. UM, AND THEN FOR ANY FUTURE PROJECT, THEY WILL BE ELIGIBLE. WE'RE WORKING ON A, A MORE DETAILED CHECKLIST TO HELP STAFF AND THE PUBLIC ENSURE THEY'RE CLEAR ON WHETHER, UH, THEY ARE ELIGIBLE. THE BILL DID GO FROM A FEW PAGES TO 44 PAGES WHEN IT GOT ADOPTED. AND SO, UH, WE DO HAVE, UH, FOLKS, UM, STILL ANALYZING IT, BUT IT DOES APPEAR THAT MOST, UM, MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING PROJECTS IN THE CITY, UM, ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS AS LONG AS THEY MEET THE MINIMUM DENSITY REQUIREMENT OF 15 DWELLING UNITS AN ACRE. SO YEAH, VERY EXCITING TIMES. THANK YOU. I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. UH, COMMISSIONERS, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE, UH, MANAGER UNDER THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT? OKIE DOKIE. UH, WE'LL NOW TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT. ANYBODY WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT, WOULD YOU PLEASE STEP UP TOWARDS MIKE? I SEE NOBODY STEPPING FORWARD. UM, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY THAT VIRTUALLY WANTS TO COMMENT? IF YOU'RE JOINING US VIRTUALLY AND YOU'D LIKE TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT, PLEASE USE THE RAISE HAND FUNCTION AT THIS TIME. THERE APPEARS TO BE NO PUBLIC COMMENT. WELL, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. UM, MADAM CLERK, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL FOR THE VOTE? MOTION IS CARRIED. THANK YOU, MA'AM. CLERK, WOULD YOU PLEASE READ THE NEXT ITEM? ITEM NUMBER TWO IS [2. 25-55837 Recommendation to approve the minutes for the Planning Commission meeting of Thursday, July 10, 2025.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF THURSDAY, JULY 10TH, 2025. MAY I HAVE A MOTION FOR THIS ITEM? [00:15:05] THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER WARE AND COMMISSIONER LIMI. UM, HAS EVERYONE READ FAMILIAR WITH OR MINUTES? OKAY. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES? OKIE DOKE. I'LL NOT TAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE MINUTES. IF ANYBODY WISHES TO SPEAK ON IT, PLEASE COME FORWARD SEEING NO ONE , UH, COME FORWARD. UM, DO WE HAVE ANYONE VIRTUALLY PLEASE, IF YOU'RE JOINING US VIRTUALLY AND YOU'D LIKE TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE USE THE RAISE HAND FUNCTION. AT THIS TIME. I DO SEE WE HAVE A CALL IN LISTENER. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE PRESS STAR NINE AT THIS TIME. IF YOU'D LIKE TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT, THERE APPEARS TO BE NO PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU, SIR. UM, UH, MADAM CLERK, MAY WE PLEASE CALL FOR THE VOTE? MOTION IS CARRIED. THANK YOU. UH, MADAM CLERK, WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM, PLEASE. YES. ITEM NUMBER [3. 25-55835 Recommendation to find the proposed vacation of a 137.5-foot-long segment (1,375 square feet of land area) of alley right-of-way situated between 1450 Cedar Avenue (APN: 7269-003-900) and 1401 Pacific Avenue (APN: 7269-004-902), in the Institutional (I) Zoning District, in conformity with the adopted goals and policies of the City’s General Plan (GPC25-001). The project includes a 12.5-foot-wide dedication of a portion of property along the west boundary of 1401 Pacific Avenue (APN: 7269-004-902) for public right-of-way purposes and realignment of the alley. (District 1)        Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] THREE IS A RECOMMENDATION TO FIND THE PROPOSED VACATION OF A 137.5 FOOT LOG SEGMENT OF ALLIE. RIGHT OF WAY SITUATED BETWEEN 1450 CEDAR AVENUE AND 1401 PACIFIC AVENUE IN THE INSTITUTIONAL ZONING DISTRICT IN CONFORMITY WITH THE ADOPTED GOALS AND POLICIES OF THE CITY'S GENERAL PLAN. THE PROJECT INCLUDES A 12.5 FOOT WIDE DEDICATION OF A PORTION OF PROPERTY ALONG THE WEST BOUNDARY OF 1401 PACIFIC AVENUE FOR PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY PURPOSES AND REALIGNMENT OF THE ALLEY DISTRICT ONE. OKIE DOKIE. AND WE HAVE THE PRESENTATION, PLEASE. CAN WE HAVE MOVERS FIRST PLEASE? OH, I'M SORRY. I HAVE TO TAKE A WOULD YOU, I HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE OTHER SCREEN. SORRY. UM, MAY I PLEASE HAVE, UH, MOTIONS FOR THE AGENDA ITEM? COMMISSIONER CASTILLO HAS MOVED AND COMMISSIONER SUAREZ HAS SECONDED. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT. NOW, IF WE CAN HAVE OUR PRESENTATION PLEASE. WONDERFUL. THANK YOU. VICE CHAIR. UM, OUR ZONING ADMINISTRATION OFFICER MARYANNE CRONIN, WILL PROVIDE THE STAFF PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, HONORABLE VICE CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS. THIS ITEM BEFORE YOU IS A GENERAL PLAN CONFORMITY FOR THE WASHINGTON MIDDLE SCHOOL, UH, LOCATION OVER AT 1450 CEDAR AVENUE AND 1401 PACIFIC AVENUE. I WILL NOTE THAT THIS IS A FINDING OF CONFORMITY WITH THE GENERAL PLAN RATHER THAN YOUR TRADITIONAL HEARING ITEM WITH CONDITIONS AND CQA COMPLIANCE. SO I JUST WANNA POINT THAT OUT EARLY. THE SITE IS SHOWN HERE ON THE SCREEN WITH A RED OUTLINE. UH, THIS LOCATION ENCOMPASSES TWO SEPARATE PARCELS, ONE ADDRESS AS 1450 CEDAR AVENUE, AND THAT ENCOMPASSES MOST OF THE SCHOOL AREA WHILE 1401 PACIFIC AVENUE ENCOMPASSES TEACHER PARKING THAT'S BEEN IN EXISTENCE ACROSS THAT 10 FOOT ALLEY THAT I'LL SHOW YOU, UH, LATER ON THE NEXT SLIDE. THE ZONING FOR THE WHOLE SITE IS INSTITUTIONAL, WHILE THE GENERAL PLAN PLACE TYPE IS ACTUALLY SPLIT BETWEEN THE TWO PARCELS, WHERE ONE IS MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL MODERATE, AND THE PARKING LOT IS ACTUALLY TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT LOW. UH, THIS ENTIRE SITE ENCOMPASSES THE WASHINGTON MIDDLE SCHOOL PROPERTY. AND ON SUBSEQUENT SLIDES, I'LL SHOW YOU THE, UM, LARGE, UH, RENOVATION PROJECT THAT'S UNDERGOING AT THE SITE. UH, SO THE WASHINGTON MIDDLE SCHOOL IS GO UNDERGOING A SIGNIFICANT REMODEL WHERE MOST OF THE SITE IS ACTUALLY DEMOLISHED AND UNDER CONSTRUCTION. SO THIS AERIAL IMAGE IS AN OLDER AERIAL IMAGE, AND WHERE THE POINT OF, UH, ALLEY VACATION IS GOING TO BE WHERE YOU SEE THAT SURFACE PARKING LOT AS IT INTERFACES WITH THE SCHOOL BUILDINGS, THE ENTIRE SITE WOULD BE RECONFIGURED INTO A, UH, CAMPUS MASTER PLAN THAT'S ALREADY BEEN CLEARED UNDER CA BY THE LONG BEACH UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT. IT IS SLIGHTLY UNCOMMON FOR US TO SEE LONG BEACH UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT PROJECTS COME BEFORE THIS COMMISSION. AS THE LAND USE AUTHORITY IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT WHEN IT, UH, INVOLVES SCHOOL DISTRICT PROPERTIES. BUT BECAUSE IT'S, UH, VACATING AN ALLEY, A PUBLIC ALLEY SUBJECT TO THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS, WE DO HAVE TO MAKE A FINDING ON CONFORMITY THAT CLOSING THAT ALLEY AND MAKING IT PART OF PRIVATE PROPERTY TO [00:20:01] BE BUILT OVER IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY. SO THIS SLIDE SHOWS YOU THE RED AREA THAT'S SUBJECT TO THE ALLEY VACATION. SO WHEN YOU VACATE AN ALLEY, IT NO LONGER, IT FUNCTIONS AS PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. AND THAT ALLEY IS ABOUT 137.5, UH, LINEAR FEET BETWEEN, UH, PACIFIC AVENUE AND THAT, UH, INTERSECTION AT THE WESTERN PART OF THE PARKING LOT. IT DOES, UH, ABUT A AREA THAT IS CONTIGUOUS WITH A MULTIFAMILY APARTMENT BUILDING. SO WHERE YOU SEE THE RED AREA, THAT AREA WOULD BE VACATED AND BECOME PART OF THE, UH, SITE PLAN YOU SEE HERE FOR THE TRANSFORMATION PROJECT FOR WASHINGTON MIDDLE SCHOOL. AND WHERE YOU SEE THAT YELLOW CIRCLE, THAT AREA WILL BE DEDICATED. SO THAT MEANS THAT 12.5 PORTION OF THAT SITE, UM, WILL BECOME A RIGHT OF WAY SO THAT THOSE PATRONS THAT ARE DRIVING ON THE REMAINDER OF THE ALLEY COULD TURN RIGHT AND ACCESS 14TH STREET. AND THAT IS, UM, GOING TO NOW BECOME RIGHT OF WAY. SO THE, UM, IN WORKING WITH PUBLIC WORKS, THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS HAS DETERMINED THAT THE RED SEGMENT YOU SEE THERE IS NO LONGER NEEDED FOR ACCESS, AND THAT THE YELLOW AREA YOU SEE THERE CAN BE USED FOR VEHICLES, UH, TO THEN, UH, CONNECT WITH 14TH STREET, WHICH IS A ONE-WAY STREET IN THAT AREA. THIS SLIDE, UH, FURTHERMORE SHOWS KIND OF THAT CONFIGURATION. SO THE GREEN AREA ON THE LEFT WOULD REMAIN AS A PUBLIC ALLEY, AND THE YELLOW AREA IS THAT POINT OF DEDICATION. AND WHERE YOU SEE THE RED AREA THAT'S NOTCHED, UH, THAT WOULD BE THE VACATION. SO THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE OVERALL TRANSFORMATION PROJECT THAT'S ALREADY BEEN CLEARED UNDER CQA. UH, THE ACTION BEFORE YOU TODAY IS TO DETERMINE THAT THIS, UH, VACATION OF THAT RED AREA IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN, UH, WITH, UH, FINDING THAT THE USE IS ALLOWED UNDER THE GENERAL PLAN, AND THAT EMERGENCY FACILITIES, UH, CAN STILL ACCESS THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. UH, STAFF HAS FOUND IN THE FINDINGS THAT IT IS CONSISTENT WITH BOTH THE MOBILITY ELEMENT AS WELL AS THE LAND USE ELEMENT OF THE GENERAL PLAN. AND STAFF DOES RECOMMEND THAT THE VACATION CAN MOVE FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL. UM, THAT IS WHERE, UH, THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE. AND, UH, ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS NOT A, UM, AN ITEM WHERE WE WOULD CONDITION, IT'S A, A GENERAL PLAN CONFORMITY VERSUS OUR TRADITIONAL DISCRETIONARY ACTIONS. SO THEREFORE, THERE WAS NO CQA FOR THIS COMPONENT, BUT THE OVERALL SITE WAS COVERED UNDER THE EIR THAT WAS PREPARED BY THE LONG BEACH UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT. UH, THERE WAS NO PUBLIC HEARING NOTICES, SO THEREFORE THAT IS, UH, A UNIQUE PART OF THIS APPLICATION. AND WITH THAT, AS IN THE FINDINGS THAT ARE BEFORE YOU ON YOUR DAIS, UH, STAFF DOES RECOMMEND TO FIND THE PROPOSED VACATION CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN. UH, SO THIS APPLICATION CAN MOVE FORWARD, UH, TO THE NEXT STEP WITH THE CITY COUNCIL. AND THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF? SO THIS PROJECT, THANK YOU. UH, THIS PROJECT, IT, IT, IT'S A BIG REDESIGN OF THE MIDDLES OF THE SCHOOL. UH, I LOOKED, IT LOOKED LIKE THE, ONE OF THE MAJOR COMPONENTS OF THIS IS A FAIRLY LARGE PARKING STRUCTURE. CAN YOU GO INTO THAT WITH A LITTLE MORE DETAIL? THE, THE CITY IS NOT TYPICALLY INVOLVED WITH, UM, THE DESIGN OF LONG BEACH UNIFIED SCHOOL. JUST THEY DID THEIR OWN ENVIRONMENTAL CLEARANCE AND REVIEW. UM, SO THAT'S ALREADY BEEN, UH, I BELIEVE APPROVED BY THE, UH, THE SCHOOL BOARD AND THAT, SO THE CITY'S NOT REALLY, UH, INVOLVED WITH THAT RIGHT NOW. THE PURVIEW WE HAVE IS JUST THE VACATION OF THE ALLEY, AND JUST TO KIND OF ADD TO THAT, UM, AND CITY ATTORNEY MAY HAVE MORE TO SAY, BUT BASICALLY SCHOOL DISTRICTS DON'T REPORT TO LOCAL, UM, LANDS AUTHORITIES IN TERMS OF HOW THEIR, UM, FACILITIES ARE REGULATED FOR PROJECTS. SO, UM, THE DISTRICT HAS ALREADY, UM, GONE THROUGH THEIR PROCESS WITH THE STATE, UM, IN FACILITATING, UM, THE IMPROVEMENTS. UM, AND SO OUR, OUR PURVIEW IS LIMITED TO THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY CONTAINED, UM, IN THE PROPERTY. AND THIS MIGHT BE OUTTA THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, BUT HOW IS, UH, THINGS LIKE TRAFFIC AND CLIMATE IMPACTS ANALYZED UNDER THIS? I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF PLANS IN THE CITY, UH, CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. UM, I ALSO KNOW IF FOR ANYONE WHO'S, UH, BEEN ON THE ROADS AROUND 7 30, 8 O'CLOCK CAN SEE THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS OF SCHOOLS GOING IN AND OUTTA SESSION. UM, SO SCHOOLS HAVE A VERY SIGNIFICANT, UM, TRAFFIC IMPACT THAT COMES WITH A A, A CLIMATE IMPACT COMES WITH THAT. AND ALSO 20 YEARS AGO, UH, THE CITY OR THE, UH, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT COMPLETELY [00:25:01] DIVESTED ITS, UH, SCHOOL BUS PROGRAM. AND SO IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT THEY'RE DOING OR THAT THEY'RE NOT DOING THAT COULD BE A BETTER USE OF FUNDS THAN BUILDING A GIGANTIC PARKING STRUCTURE. YEAH. SO YEAH, THERE ARE A FEW THINGS THERE. UM, I WILL SAY, UM, THIS BODY DID ASK ABOUT HEARING MORE ABOUT THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING, UM, MORE CLOSELY WITH THE CLIMATE ACTION OFFICE, UM, TO, TO GET A DEEPER STUDY SESSION, WHICH WE ANTICIPATE COMING, UM, AT THE SECOND SEPTEMBER MEETING, UH, SEPTEMBER 18TH. AND SO WE CAN GET INTO MORE DETAIL THERE. I KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, THERE'S AT LEAST ONE ADAPTATION ACTION WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT RELATED TO AIR QUALITY TO WORK WITH THEM TO ENSURE SCHOOL BUSES ARE ELECTRIFIED, BUT THEY DO CONTRACT IT OUT. SO, TO YOUR POINT, UM, THERE, UM, IN THIS CASE WITH THE ALLEY VACATION, UH, PRIMARILY PUBLIC WORKS IS LOOKING AT ACCESS AND IF YOU SEE THE, UM, THE PORTION OF THE ALLEY TO BE VACATED, UH, CURRENTLY GOES OUT TO PACIFIC AVENUE, WHICH IS A VERY FAST STREET. AND WE'VE HAD PEDESTRIAN DEATHS RIGHT OUTSIDE THAT SCHOOL A COUPLE OF TIMES IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, IF MY MEMORY SERVES CORRECTLY. DEFINITELY SEVERE, UM, INJURIES MULTIPLE TIMES. AND SO THERE'S BOTH A SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL PROGRAM THAT THE CITY HELPS TO SUPPORT A TRAFFIC CROSSING. AND ALSO WHAT'S CALLED THE SAFE PASSAGES PROGRAM. 'CAUSE THERE'S ALSO ISSUES RELATED TO SAFETY AND PERCEPTION OF SAFETY FOR, UH, KIDS WALKING TO SCHOOL IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THE CITY, PARTICULARLY WITH PUBLIC WORKS, AND OUR HEALTH DEPARTMENT PARTNERS QUITE A BIT WITH THE WASHINGTON MIDDLE SCHOOL TO TRY TO, UM, ENCOURAGE PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY. IT IS A MIDDLE SCHOOL, SO NONE OF THE STUDENTS ARE DRIVING THERE, RIGHT? SO THE, THE PARKING, UM, FACILITATED WOULD BE LIMITED TO, UH, STAFF AND TEACHERS, OF COURSE. UM, AND PERHAPS FOR SPECIAL EVENTS, UM, PARENTS OR LIKE A PARENT NIGHT. UM, AND SO THOSE ARE KIND OF THE PIECES I CAN SPEAK TO. BUT I THINK FROM A, FROM WHAT'S IN OUR PURVIEW FROM A MOBILITY PERSPECTIVE, UM, IT IS A BENEFIT TO RELOCATE THE ALLEY SO THAT IT'S, UM, IT'S, IT'S ENDING AT 14TH STREET INSTEAD OF PACIFIC DUE TO THOSE, UH, TRAFFIC SAFETY CONCERNS. UM, THE CITY HAS ADDED ADDITIONAL, UM, UH, STREETLIGHTS RIGHT THERE ON PACIFIC BASED ON SOME OF THE HIGH INJURY AND THE COLLISION NETWORK THAT EXISTS THERE. UM, AND IS OF COURSE WORKING ON, UH, A VERY IMPORTANT PACIFIC AVENUE BIKEWAY PROJECT THAT WILL HELP IMPROVE MULTIMODAL ACCESS TO THE SCHOOL. UM, SO THOSE ARE A FEW OTHER COMPONENTS FOR CONSIDERATION HERE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. ANY OTHER? I HAVE COMMISSIONER EZ EZ, JUST FOR A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, UM, I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE VACATION IS, AND THEN THE, UM, DEDICATED ALLEYWAY, IS THAT GONNA GO ONTO A ONE-WAY? 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE'S, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. THE, I BELIEVE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 14TH STREET PARK, IT GOES WESTBOUND, AND THEN ON THE SOUTH SIDE IT GOES EASTBOUND. SO THEN THOSE COMING SOUTH ON THERE WOULD BE ABLE TO TURN RIGHT ONTO A WESTBOUND 14TH STREET SEGMENT. AND THAT IS, UM, FOR SOME CONTEXT. SO THAT'S THE OLD, UM, RAILWAY LINE. SO THE, THE MEDIAN THERE IS, IS A PARK THAT THE CITY HAS CONTINUED TO WORK TO EXPAND THE 14TH STREET PARK. WE USED, UM, UH, RESOURCES FROM OUR DEPARTMENT FROM CDBG TO HELP ACQUIRE THE PARCEL ON LONG BEACH BOULEVARD AT 14TH TO TRY TO MAKE IT A MORE, UM, COMPLETE LINEAR PARK AND HAVE BEEN PARTNERING WITH HABITAT FOR HUMANITY, UM, IN THAT, IN THAT, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD TO THEN DO, UM, PARK ACTIVATIONS AND CLOSE DOWN THOSE STREET SEGMENTS TO TRY TO ACTIVATE IT IN A MORE, UM, MULTIMODAL WAY. BUT YES, TY, TYPICAL, IT'S ONE WAY ON THE NORTHERN BOUND SIDE. THANK YOU, UM, COMMISSIONER ANYMORE? OKEY DOKEY. OKAY. SO I WILL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM IF ANYBODY WISHES TO COME FORWARD. THANK YOU, SIR. WILL YOU, UH, HAVE ANY, UH, VIRTUAL COMMENTS? IF YOU ARE JOINING US VIRTUALLY AND YOU'D LIKE TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE USE THE RAISE HAND FUNCTION. AND IF YOU ARE JOINING TELEPHONICALLY, PLEASE PRESS STAR NINE AT THIS TIME. THERE APPEARS TO BE NO PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU, SIR. OKIE DOKIE. UM, WE READY FOR A VOTE THEN? ADAM CLERK, MAY WE HAVE THE VOTE PLEASE? [00:30:01] VICE CHAIR TEMPLATE. PARDON ME? IT'S SPINNING. YEAH, I, I WILL JUST GIVE YOU MY VERBAL YES, YES. NOTED. MOTION IS CARRIED. THANK YOU. MAY WE PLEASE HAVE THE NEXT ITEM, MADAM CLERK. ITEM NUMBER FOUR [4. 25-55836 Recommendation to accept Categorical Exemption CE-24-116 and,   Approve a Conditional Use Permit (CUP23-022), and adopt the proposed findings and conditions of approval thereto, for the expansion of an existing 4,923-square-foot fast- food restaurant with a single drive-through lane (established under Case No. 9001-19) that includes the addition of a second drive-through lane, a new drive-through bypass lane, and a 20-square-foot addition for a larger cashier’s booth at 1705 West Pacific Coast Highway in the Regional Highway Commercial (CHW) Zoning District. (District 7)        Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] IS A RECOMMENDATION TO ACCEPT CATEGORICAL EXEMPTION CE DASH 24 DASH ONE 16 AND APPROVE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND ADOPT THE PROPOSED FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THERETO FOR THE EXPANSION OF AN EXISTING 4,923 SQUARE FOOT FAST FOOD RESTAURANT WITH A SINGLE DRIVE THROUGH LANE. THAT INCLUDES THE ADDITION OF A SECOND DRIVE THROUGH LANE, A NEW DRIVE THROUGH BYPASS LANE, AND A 20 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION FOR A LARGER CASHIER'S BOOTH AT 1705 WEST PACIFIC COAST HIGHWAY IN THE REGIONAL HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT DISTRICT SEVEN. THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONERS. MAY I HAVE A MOTION FOR THIS ITEM PLEASE? THANK YOU. UH, WE HAVE, UH, MOVED BY COMMISSIONER SUAREZ AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER LEMI. UH, WE'RE READY FOR THE PRESENTATION. WONDERFUL PROJECT PLANNER LIANA ARGA WILL PROVIDE THIS, UH, STAFF PRESENTATION. UM, GOOD EVENING AND THANK YOU ALLISON AND COMMISSIONERS BEFORE YOU IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT LOCATED AT 1705 WEST PACIFIC COAST HIGHWAY. THE SUBJECT SITE IS LOCATED ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF WEST PACIFIC COAST HIGHWAY AND SANTA FE AVENUE, LOCATED IN THE REGIONAL HIGHWAY DISTRICT, UM, ZONING DISTRICT. THE GENERAL PLAN PLACE TYPE IS COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL, AND WITHIN COUNCIL DISTRICT SEVEN, THE SUBJECT SITE IS 61,773 SQUARE FOOT AND IS DEVELOPED WITH A ONE STORY FAST FOOD RESTAURANT. SURROUNDING USES INCLUDE A GOVERNMENT USE TO THE NORTH AND INDUSTRIAL USE TO THE WEST AND COMMERCIAL USES TO THE EAST AND SOUTH. IN THIS SLIDE, YOU'LL SEE THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE SITE SHOWING AN AERIAL VIEW AND VIEWS FROM WEST PACIFIC COAST HIGHWAY AND THE WEST ELEVATION. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE EXISTING 4,923 SQUARE FOOT FAST FOOD RESTAURANT WITH A SINGLE LANE DRIVE THROUGH. THAT INCLUDES THE ADDITION OF A SECOND DRIVE THROUGH LANE, A NEW BYPASS LANE, AND 20 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING ADDITION. THE SITE OBTAINED ITS CUP FOR DRIVE FOR THE DRIVE THROUGH ESTABLISHMENT IN 1990. UM, THE SITE CURRENTLY PROVIDES 85 PARKING SPACES AND THE TENANT IS MCDONALD'S. IN THIS SLIDE, YOU'LL SEE THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN SHOWING THE DOUBLE LANE DRIVE THROUGH, WHICH PROVIDES ENOUGH SPACE TO ALLOW THE MINIMUM FOR QUEUING CARS AS REQUIRED BY THE DRIVE THROUGH DESIGN GUIDELINES AND NEW BYPASS LANE. THE FULL SCOPE OF THE WORK SCOPE OF WORK OF THE PROJECT INCLUDES A 20 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING EDITION, NEW MENU AND ORDER BOARDS, HEIGHT DETECTORS, PARKING REDUCTION FROM 85 EXISTING PARKING STALLS TO 62 ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING THROUGHOUT AND RELOCATED TRASH ENCLOSURE. THE SITE WILL CONTINUE TO MEET THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR DETACHED FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS AND WILL MAINTAIN A SURPLUS OF PARKING SPACES. IN THIS SLIDE, YOU'LL SEE THE EXISTING SITE PLAN TO THE LEFT AND THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN TO THE RIGHT, THE TRASH ENCLOSURE IS SHOWN IN BLUE AND THE BUILDING ADDITION IN RED. IN COMPARING THE SITE PLANS, YOU CAN SEE THE NET INCREASE OF LANDSCAPING, INCLUDING LANDSCAPING BUFFERS, LANDSCAPING STRIPS THROUGHOUT THE PARKING LOT, AND THERE WILL BE A TOTAL OF 28 TREES ON SITE UPON PROJECT COMPLETION. IN THIS SLIDE, YOU'LL SEE THE DEMOLITION AND PROPOSED FLOOR PLAN. THE EXISTING FLOOR PLAN IS TO REMAIN AND THE ONLY ALTER ALTERATION WILL BE THE 20 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING ADDITION TO ACCOMMODATE A LARGER CASHIER'S BOOTH. IN THIS SLIDE, YOU'LL SEE THE NORTH AND WEST ELEVATION. THE BUILDING ADDITION WILL MATCH, UM, EXISTING IN COORDINATION WITH THE CITY'S SENIOR TRAFFIC ENGINEER. THE APPLICANT WAS REQUIRED TO PROVIDE AN OPERATIONAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN TO ADDRESS POTENTIAL QUEUING ISSUES WHEN THE DRIVE THROUGH CAPACITY IS REACHED. THIS GRAPHIC ILLUSTRATES THE PROPOSED MEASURES THAT STAFF WILL IMPLEMENT WHEN VEHICLE QUEUES EXTEND BEYOND THE ORDER BOARDS AND BEGIN TO APPROACH SANTA FE AVENUE AS SHOWN TRAFFIC CONES WILL BE PLACED ALONG THE NORTHEAST DRIVE AISLE TO PREVENT OVERFLOW FROM REACHING SANTA FE AVENUE. CONES WILL BE DEPLOYED ONCE THE QUEUE REACHES APPROXIMATELY THREE VEHICLES BEHIND THE ORDER BOARDS, TOTALING ABOUT NINE VEHICLES IN THE DRIVE THROUGH. ADDITIONALLY, EMPLOYEES WILL BE STATIONED ON SITE TO DIRECT VEHICLES IN THE CORRECT DIRECTION AND TO HELP REDUCE GAP BETWEEN VEHICLES. THE OPERATIONAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN IS INCLUDED AS A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL FOR THE [00:35:01] PROJECT. IN REVIEW OF THIS APPLICATION, STAFF HAS DETERMINED THAT THE PROJECT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN AND ZONING REGULATIONS ALIGNING WITH THE COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL PLACE TYPE AND THE CHW ZONING DISTRICT. THE EXPANSION OF THE EXISTING FAST FOOD RESTAURANT AND ITS DRIVE-THROUGH ENHANCES SITE FUNCTIONALITY AND CIRCULATION WITHOUT IMPACTING NEARBY SENSITIVE USES, WHICH ARE OVER 200 FEET AWAY. THE PROJECT COMPLIES WITH SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR DRIVE-THROUGH FACILITIES AND DOES NOT TRIGGER COMPLIANCE WITH GREEN BUILDING STANDARDS. ALL NEW OR MODIFIED DRIVE THROUGH FACILITIES MUST COMPLY WITH SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. THESE STANDARDS INCLUDE CONFORMITY TO THE GENERAL PLAN AND DRIVE THROUGH DESIGN GUIDELINES. ADEQUATE QUEUING, CAPACITY COMPATIBLE DESIGN, SUFFICIENT EMISSION CONTROL, SUFFICIENT BUFFERING FOR NOISE, UM, PROVIDES ADEQUATE HOURS OF OPERATION IF LOCATED WITH 150 FEET OF RESIDENTIAL IS NOT LOCATED IN AN OVER CONCENTRATION OF DRIVE THROUGH FACILITIES. AND THE DEVELOPMENT, UM, SHALL NOT OTHERWISE BE SUITABLE FOR HOUSING TO DEMONSTRATE COMPLIANCE. THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED AIR QUALITY NOISE AND QUEUING STUDIES, ALL OF WHICH CONFIRM THAT THE PROJECT MEETS THE APPLICABLE STANDARDS. ADDITIONALLY, THE HOURS OF OPERATION WILL CONTINUE TO OPERATE AS EXISTING. THE DRIVE-THROUGH AND DINE-IN OPTION WILL OPERATE FROM 4:00 AM TO 12:00 AM MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY AND SUNDAY. ON FRIDAY AND SATURDAY. BOTH OPTIONS WILL BE OPEN FROM 4:00 AM TO 1:00 AM THE FACILITY IS LOCATED MORE THAN 200 FEET FROM THE NEAREST RESIDENTIAL USE AND IS NOT WITHIN 500 FEET OF A SCHOOL OR PARK. THE PROJECT SITE IS EXISTING AND WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED IN 1990, WHICH DOES NOT RESULT IN THE OVER CONCENTRATION OF DRIVE-THROUGH ESTABLISHMENTS IN THE AREA. AND LASTLY, THE SITE IS NOT ZONED OR PLANNED FOR RESIDENTIAL USE AND THEREFORE IS NOT SUITABLE FOR HOUSING DEVELOPMENT. THE PROJECT ALSO MEETS ECONOMIC GOALS BY COMPLYING THE LAND USE POLICY SIX DASH DASH 11, WHICH IS TO PURSUE NEW DEVELOPMENTS AND BUSINESSES THAT ADD TO THE CITY'S ECONOMIC BASE, PARTICULARLY THOSE THAT GENERATE SALES TAX AND PROPERTY TAX AND RECRUITMENT REVENUE. THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL WILL REQUIRE COMPLIANCE WITH THE OPERATIONAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN REMOVAL AND REPLACEMENT OF THE NONCONFORMING POLE SIGN PROHIBIT OVERNIGHT PARKING COMPLIANCE WITH A NOISE ORDINANCE RAISE PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALKS, GENERAL LANDSCAPING CONDITIONS COVERING INSTALLATION MODIFICATION, UM, AND WALLOW AND DROUGHT TOLERANT PLANTS AND OTHER STANDARD CUP DRIVE THROUGH AND PERMIT ISSUANCE. CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. UH, THE PROJECT IS EXEMPT FROM FURTHER FURTHER ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PURSUANT TO CLASS ONE EXISTING FACILITIES. EXEMPTION NOTICING WAS COMPLETED IN COMPLIANCE WITH SECTION 21.2, ONE OF THE MUNICIPAL CODE, AND A TOTAL OF 76 NOTICES WERE DISTRIBUTED AND NO PUBLIC COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED. UM, BASED ON THE ANALYSIS OF THE PROJECT, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND TO ADOPT THE PROPOSED FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL TO ALLOW THE EXPANSION OF AN EXISTING FAST FOOD RESTAURANT WITH THE ADDITION OF A SECOND DRIVE-THROUGH LANE, A BYPASS LANE AND 20 SQUARE FOOT EDITION. THIS CONCLUDES STAFF PRESENTATION. STAFF AND THE APPLICANT ARE PRESENT FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THE APPLICANT IS, UM, ROBERT PRIEST. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . UH, COMMISSIONERS, ANY, UM, QUESTIONS FOR OUR STAFF? UH, PETITION CLEMSON. THANK YOU. UM, IS THERE AN ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC IMPACT THAT WE'RE SEEING EXPECTING FROM THIS PROJECT? SO, UM, THE, MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE INTENTION OF THE PROJECT IS TO ENSURE THERE'S NOT QUEUING THAT FLOWS OUT TO THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY BY ADDING THAT ADDITIONAL LANE SO THAT YOU COULD HAVE THAT, UM, DOUBLE STACKING. WHERE WE TEND TO HAVE, UM, THE BIGGEST TRAFFIC IMPACTS, UM, ON DRIVE-THROUGHS IS WHEN YOU DO GET, UH, QUEUING THAT BEGINS TO STAY IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. UM, AND THAT'S WHY IN ADDITION TO THE DESIGN THAT'S BEFORE YOU, THE CITY TRAFFIC ENGINEER REQUIRED THAT PLAN FOR WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THERE WERE TO BE OVERFLOW, UH, THAT YOU SAW A FEW SLIDES IN THAT WE CAN BRING BACK UP. UM, BUT IT MAY ALSO BE HELPFUL TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT, SORT OF THEIR, UM, RATIONALE BEHIND THE PROJECT AND WHY IT'S IMPORTANT, UH, TO THEM AT THIS TIME. EVENING CHAIR. AND ARE WE GOOD? OKAY. THERE WE GO. GOOD EVENING CHAIR AND PLANNING COMMISSION. MY NAME IS JOSE RE, I'M A REGISTERED TRAFFIC ENGINEER IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA AND MY COMPANY, URBAN CROSSROADS. WE WORKED ON THE REPORTS, UH, FOR THIS PROJECT. UH, TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC IMPACTS THAT COULD BE OCCURRING [00:40:01] OTHER THAN WHAT STAFF HAS COVERED? UM, MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION IS NO. WE LOOKED AT TRIP GENERATION. WE USED STANDARDS, WE LOOKED AT THE SITE CAREFULLY, AND, AND THE EXPANSION OF THE ADDITIONAL 20 FEET FOR THE CASHIER, UM, SHOULDN'T GENERATE PEAK HOUR TRAFFIC ANYMORE THAN WHAT WAS BEING EXPERIENCED, UM, AS IT CURRENTLY OPERATES. UH, SORRY, I, I THINK I WAS NOT, UH, I USED THE WRONG TERMINOLOGY. I WAS TALKING, UH, I HAD ACTUALLY MEANT, UH, UH, TRIP GENERATION NOT, YOU KNOW, UH, PEAK HOUR TRAFFIC DELAY TYPE THINGS. YEAH. AND THEY KIND OF GO HAND IN HAND. I, I THINK YOUR QUESTION WAS WELL WORDED. UM, WHEN WE LOOK AT TRIP GENERATION, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE PULL INFORMATION FROM THE INSTITUTE OF TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS DATA, WHICH IS WHAT ALL AGENCIES USE, UM, THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. IT'S A VERY GOOD SOURCE. AND IT LOOKS AT FAST FOODS, IT LOOKS AT MCDONALD'S RESTAURANTS. AND WHEN WE ADDED THE ADDITIONAL, UH, 20 FEET, THE PEAK HOUR, UH, TRIP GENERATION REALLY DID NOT CHANGE. IT WAS THE SAME. THE OVERALL DAILY FOR AN ADDITIONAL 20 FEET WAS SIX VEHICLES IN TOTAL. AND THAT IS DOCUMENTED IN OUR REPORT. SO OFF PEAK HOURS, THERE'LL BE A FEW MORE CARS COMING IN. AND, AND, AND THAT COULD HAPPEN AGAIN, REALIZE THE EXPANSION IS THE CASHIER'S AREA, NOT THE SEATING DINING. ANYTHING ELSE? SO, UM, WHAT, WHAT IS THE POINT OF THIS PROJECT THEN? UH, FROM, FROM A BUSINESS PERSPECTIVE, IF IT'S NOT GONNA BE GENERATING ADDITIONAL, UH, PATRONS, YOU KNOW, VISITS CUSTOMERS. CUSTOMERS, THANK YOU. UM, WELL, I, I DON'T OPERATE MCDONALD'S. I'M THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER. SURE. THAT LOOKS AT THE SIZE OF THE FACILITY AND ALL. SO YEAH. THANK, THANK YOU SIR. WE HAVE SOMEONE THAT'S STEPPING UP. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME'S JOANNE TERELLI. I AM THE FRANCHISEE. SO THIS IS NOT A CORPORATE MCDONALD'S, THIS I'M THE FRANCHISEE. UM, MCDONALD'S HAS BEEN IN MY FAMILY SINCE 1967. MY DAD STARTED IN LONG BEACH AND UNFORTUNATELY IN THE EIGHTIES, UM, MCDONALD'S CORPORATE'S RULE WAS, UM, YOU HAD TO BE RIGHT NEAR YOUR RESTAURANTS AND HE HAD MORE IN ORANGE COUNTY AT THE TIME. AND SO HE HAD TO SELL HIS LONG BEACH RESTAURANTS. AND THEN IN 2022, WE HAD THE GREAT FORTUNE THAT THE OWNER WHO BOUGHT THEM FROM US WAS RETIRING AND WE WERE ABLE TO BUY THEM BACK. 'CAUSE THAT'S NOT A RULE ANYMORE. SO, LONG ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION. UM, THIS SITE, WHEN WE BOUGHT IN 2022, IT WAS ABSURD THAT IT DIDN'T HAVE A DOUBLE DRIVE THROUGH. UM, IT'S DOING ABOUT 5 MILLION IN SALES AND DOUBLE DRIVE-THROUGHS, UM, ARE UPWARDS OF SIX. UM, SO THIS IS EXPECTED TO MAKE ABOUT 15 TO 20% SALES REVENUE INCREASE. AND WE KNOW THAT THERE'S ONE TWO MILES UP THE STREET, UM, AND THEY HAVE A DOUBLE DRIVE THROUGH. SO, UM, AND IT'S NOT IN OUR FAMILY THAT'S A DIFFERENT FRANCHISEE. SO WE'VE BEEN TRYING THIS SINCE 2022 TO GET APPROVED. RIGHT. SO 15 TO 20% YES. FOR YOUR SALES. AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY GREAT. THAT KINDA GETS TO THE QUESTION OF WOULD THAT NOT MEAN 15 TO 20% MORE VISITORS? SO I CAN JUST SPEAK TO HOW MCDONALD'S DRIVE-THROUGHS RUN. UM, YES, THAT'S THE HOPE. THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHY WE'RE INVESTING IN THE CITY AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WHY WE WANNA BEAUTIFY THE CITY, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THAT PARKING LOT AS YOU KNOW, UM, SEMI-TRUCK GO UP AND DOWN THAT STREET CONSTANTLY. SO THAT WOULD KIND OF, YOU KNOW, TWO, TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE. UM, IT'S GONNA TAKE UP THOSE SPOTS, RIGHT? SO THAT WE CAN GET MORE OF OUR CUSTOMERS IN THERE TO INCREASE THE SALES. UM, BUT MCDONALD'S DRIVE-THROUGH OPERATIONS ARE VERY DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER FAST FOOD ORGANIZATION. UM, THE STANDARD FOR MCDONALD'S DRIVE-THROUGH IS 120 SECONDS FROM THE TIME YOU ORDER AT THE, AT THE UM, ORDER, UM, SPEAKER TO THE TIME YOU PICK UP YOUR FOOD. 120 SECONDS IS THE STANDARD FOR THAT RESTAURANT. I CAN TELL YOU WE'RE AT 140 SECONDS. SO, UM, I DON'T THINK THAT WE'VE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH THAT. WE ALSO DO HAVE CAMERAS ON OUR DRIVE-THROUGHS WHERE THE CREW CAN SEE IF THERE'S A PAIN POINT FOR US. WE CALL 'EM DANGER ZONES, THREE CARS STACKED BEHIND THE, UM, ORDER POINT IS A DANGER ZONE. SO THEY KNOW WHAT TO DO. THEY KNOW HOW TO REACT IN THAT SITUATION. BUT I THINK 140 SECONDS, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAXIMIZE THE [00:45:01] CAPACITY OF THE DRIVE THROUGH SO THAT WE CAN GET THAT SALES INCREASE. YEAH. AND JUST TO FINISH THIS THOUGHT HERE, THE, YOUR, YOUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER TALKED ABOUT SIX ADDITIONAL TRIPS MM-HMM . UH, IF THAT'S AN INCREASE OF 20% MM-HMM . DAILY, THERE ARE 30 PEOPLE THAT 30 CARS THAT SHOW UP TO THIS THING FOR A DAY. I DON'T, THAT DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT. I MEAN YEAH, GO AHEAD. I MEAN, THAT'S THE HOPE NO, NO, NO, NO. SORRY. THAT WOULD MEAN THAT CURRENTLY YOU HAVE 30 VEHICLES TAKING CUSTOMERS TO YOUR, TO YOUR RESTAURANT CURRENTLY IN ORDER TO GET A 20% INCREASE BEING SIX VEHICLES. YEAH. I MEAN, YOU ALSO KNOW HOW, YOU KNOW, CORPORATE BUYS THE PROPERTY AND THEN WE HAVE TO BID FOR THE RESTAURANT, RIGHT? SO THE ONE, TWO MILES UP THE ROAD WITH THE DOUBLE DRIVE THROUGH IS NOT OURS. AND THEN, UM, THERE'S ANOTHER ONE IF YOU KEEP GOING UP THAT, THAT'S CONSIDERED WILMINGTON MM-HMM . SO THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS IF THEY COME AND SEE, YOU KNOW, THAT WE CAN'T MAXIMIZE THE CAPACITY AS IS TO, TO CLARIFY, YOU'RE SAYING IT, WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS REDUCING THE QUEUING. EXACTLY. AND I KNOW THERE WAS SOME TALK ABOUT FOR TRAFFIC GOING BY, 'CAUSE IT'S COMING IN THAT ONE ROAD MM-HMM . SO YOU'RE REDUCING THE QUEUING. YOU'RE SERVING HOPEFULLY MORE, HOPEFULLY MORE CUSTOMERS. YOU'RE MOVING 'EM THROUGH JUST AS FAST. YES. OKAY. YES. AND I'M JUST TRYING, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A SENSE OF WHAT THAT NUMBER OF ADDITIONAL VISITORS IS. UH, 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK, AND I'M NOT A TRAFFIC ENGINEER, SO, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S SIX PER DAY. GREAT POINTS. SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE CALCULATE THE TRIP GENERATION NET DIFFERENCE, REMEMBER I SAID IT'S ON SQUARE FOOTAGE, SO NOW WE'RE TALKING OPERATIONS OF THE FACILITY, WHICH IS WHY WE WENT AHEAD AND DID MORE ANALYSIS AS, AS REQUIRED BY CITY STAFF AND, AND WISELY. SO, AND IT'S BECAUSE OF THIS, THIS POTENTIAL DIFFERENT RIGHT DIFFERENCE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT IF THEY'RE EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL, BECAUSE SEE THESE FAST FOODS, A LOT OF 'EM OPERATE DIFFERENTLY. CHICK-FIL-A IS GONNA OPERATE DIFFERENTLY, YOU KNOW, UM, IN AND OUT. PROBABLY A REALLY GOOD EXAMPLE. YOU PROBABLY HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH THAT. NOBODY EXPECTED THOSE THINGS, YOU KNOW, SO THEY GOTTA IMPROVE THEIR EFFICIENCY. SO THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE. THAT EFFICIENCY OF GETTING 'EM THROUGH IMPROVES. AND, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T CAUSE YOU PROBLEMS IF THAT DOES OCCUR. SO WHEN I SAID IT WAS SIX VEHICLES, IT'S BASED ON THE SIZE AND THE CALCULATIONS THAT WERE RUN. BUT THEN WE HAD TO GO IN AND DO A QUEUING ANALYSIS AND WE COLLECTED DATA AT THE RESTAURANT AND LOOKED AT HOW THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA OPERATE. AND IF, IF IT INCREASES, WE KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE ENOUGH, UM, CUING CAPACITY TO ACCOMMODATE, UH, ADDITIONAL VEHICLES. AND EVEN ANOTHER LAYER, AS STAFF SHOWED ON THE EXHIBIT, THE ONE THAT SHOWED THE, UM, UM, CONTINGENCY PLAN, IF THEY GET EVEN MORE BUSINESS AT A QUEUE, UH, A PEAK HOUR, THE AN ANOMALY OCCURS, MAYBE A SPORTING EVENT, SOMETHING OCCURS THAT EVERYBODY SWARMS MCDONALD'S OR THEY HAVE A BIG SALE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NOT AN ISSUE THERE. SO THAT'S WHY THAT PLAN WOULD, UM, CAN BE PUT IN PLACE ONCE THEY SEE HOW IT'S GOING TO OPERATE IN THAT, THAT THREE VEHICLE QUEUE, THEY'RE GONNA TAKE ACTION AT THAT POINT. SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WHEN WE LOOKED AT ALL THAT IT WAS THOROUGH AND WE TRIED TO ADDRESS THINGS THAT WE COULD NOT FORESEE. I, I HOPE THAT HELPS. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . WE, YOU HAD ME AT LESS TIME BE BETWEEN ME AND MY FILET OF FISH SANDWICH, SO I'M GOOD. . CAN, CAN I ASK, UH, MISS JOANNE, THAT'S, UM, SO YOU'RE PROJECTING, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE HARD NUMBERS. NOT HARD NUMBERS. THANK YOU. THESE ARE JUST PROJECTIONS. CAN I ASK ONE MORE THING? YEAH. WHILE I'M HERE, UM, THE EXCEPTION WITH THE POLE SIGN, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND. UM, I WOULD JUST ASK FOR RECONSIDERATION IN THAT MATTER. UM, IN OUR EXPERIENCE, AND WE HAVE 12 OTHER LOCATIONS, UM, THE MONUMENT SIGNS THAT THOSE POLE SIGNS ARE REPLACED WITH, UM, BESIDES THE HUGE COST OF THEM ARE VANDALIZED. UM, IT'S GONNA REDUCE OUR VISIBILITY ON THE STREET BECAUSE THEY'RE UP AND DOWN THE ENTIRE STREET AND THERE'S SEMI-TRUCK GOING UP AND DOWN THAT ENTIRE STREET ALL DAY. SO THE VISIBILITY [00:50:01] IS GONNA BE INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT FOR THE VIABILITY, THE ECONOMIC VIABILITY. UM, AND ALSO THE, THE, THE MONUMENT SIGNS, UM, SINCE THEY'RE SO LOW TO THE GROUND AND WHERE IT WOULD BE PLACED ON PACIFIC COAST HIGHWAY, UM, THE GRAFFITI, UH, THE ROCKS, IT'S HAPPENED TO US MANY TIMES. WE'VE HAD TO REPLACE A NUMBER OF THEM AT $22,000. UM, SO I WOULD JUST ASK FOR RECONSIDERATION IN THAT MATTER. UH, WILL, DOES THE STAFF WANT A I CAN PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF CLARIFICATION. THANK YOU. SO THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL THE APPLICANT IS REFERRING TO IS NUMBER SEVEN, WHICH CALLS FOR, UH, THE REMOVAL AND REPLACEMENT WITH A MONUMENT SIGN. THAT'S NOT, UH, IT'S, IT'S TYPICAL TO BRING SIGNS INTO CONFORMANCE. I WILL NOTE THAT THERE IS SOME FLEXIBILITY WITH THE REMOVAL AND IT CAN BE MODIFIED TO BE BROUGHT INTO CONFORMANCE. SO WE DO ALLOW WHAT'S CALLED A FREESTANDING SIGN, AND WE ALLOW MONUMENT SIGNS ON THIS KIND OF A CORRIDOR. THEY ARE, UM, CHW AND MAJOR ARTERIALS ALLOW FOR THAT. SO STAFF IS AMENABLE TO, UH, REVISING THIS CONDITION TO ALLOW FLEXIBILITY EITHER REMOVING THE POLE SIGN IF IT CANNOT BE BROUGHT INTO CONFORMANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OR, UH, MODIFYING SAID POLE SIGN TO HAVE A WIDER BASE WITH A MORE ARCHITECTURAL TREATMENT. THAT'S VERY COMMON BEFORE THINGS THAT COME BEFORE THIS COMMISSION. UH, POLE SIGNS WHEN THEY'RE UNWRAPPED, THEY CAN BE A VISUAL NUISANCE, WHICH IS WHY OUR, UH, SIGN REGULATIONS DON'T ALLOW IT. SO TYPICALLY WHAT YOU SEE IS A WIDENING, UM, SOMETIMES WITH STONE VENEER OR, UM, BOXING IT IN. IT CREATES A MORE HOLISTIC, UM, APPROACH. WE, UH, THE STAFF TABLE ARE AMENABLE TO REVISING CONDITION NUMBER SEVEN TO ALLOWING BOTH OPTIONS, EITHER REMOVING IT IF IT CANNOT BE BROUGHT INTO CONFORMANCE OR MODIFYING THAT TO BE BROUGHT INTO CONFORMANCE WITH, UH, THE SIGN REGULATIONS. WOULD THAT BE DONE WITH THE COMMISSIONER'S APPROVAL OR IS THAT JUST BETWEEN THE STAFF AND THE PETITION? THAT WOULD BE, I BELIEVE, A MOTION BY THE COMMISSIONER AS PART OF, UH, THEIR RECOMMENDATION. OKEY DOKIE. THANK YOU. CAN I JUST COMMENT REALLY QUICKLY? I HAVE COMMISSIONER WARE. OKAY. UM, I'M PROBABLY THE ONLY COMMISSIONER THAT GOES TO THE MCDONALD'S LIKE TWO OR THREE TIMES A WEEK. THE DOGS, WE APPRECIATE YOU. IT'S THE DOGS. THE DOGS LOVE CHICKEN NUGGETS. SO JOYFUL PAWS PET HOTEL IS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER. , UM, WITH REGARDS TO THE SIGN, BECAUSE IF YOU DRIVE, AS SOON AS YOU GET OFF THE FREEWAY IN THAT AREA, YOU LITERALLY CAN'T SEE ANYTHING. SO IF THE STAFF IS AMENABLE TO THAT, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE GREAT BEING SOMEONE THAT DRIVES IN THAT AREA PRETTY MUCH DAILY. SO I JUST WANNA GET SOME CLARITY. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE MAKING A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT YES. ON THE MOTION. AND WHAT IS, IS, UM, WHAT IS THE AMENDMENT? I UNDERSTAND IT'S TO CONDITION SEVEN, WHICH IS A SIGNAGE. ARE YOU LOOKING TO HAVE THAT JUST UPBEAT, REMOVED, OR ARE YOU LOOKING TO HAVE IT, UM, MODIFIED MODIFIED TO ALLOW STAFF TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT FOR SOMETHING THAT'S AGREEABLE? OKAY. SO WE HAVE A, A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. UM, COMMISSIONER SUAREZ, COMMISSIONER SUAREZ, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? YEAH. CAN I OFFER COMMISSIONER? ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. CERTAINLY COMMENT. CAN I OFFER A COUNTERPOINT TO THAT? UM, BEING THAT THIS IS A MOTION TRANSIT CORRIDOR, IT'S DESIGNATED AS A, AS A TRANSIT PRIORITY AREA, AND WE'RE ALREADY EXPANDING OUT DRIVE-THROUGHS, WE'RE NOT DEALING WITH TURNS COMING OFF OF PCH, WHICH IS SOMETHING WE TYPICALLY DO COMING OFF OF MAJOR HIGHWAYS WHEN WE BUILD, UH, OR MAJOR, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, MAJOR STREETS COMING WHEN WE BUILD NEW, UH, PROJECTS. UM, AND LIKE I WAS KIND OF GETTING AT WITH THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC GENERATIONS, THIS IS ANOTHER PROJECT THAT SEEMS TO BE FIT, UH, SLIPPING THROUGH THE CRACKS OF THE, UM, YOU KNOW, CLIMATE ACTION PLAN AND THE MOBILITY PLAN THAT, UM, IS EXPANDING OUT MORE SPACE FOR CARS IN PLACES THAT WE'VE SAID SHOULD NOT BE PRIORITIZED CARS. AND SO EXPANDING OUT THE, UM, THE SIGNAGE THAT'S FOR A DRIVER IS SORT OF IGNORING THE FACT THAT THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A MULTI, AT LEAST A MULTIMODAL, UH, STREET. SO THAT'S MY COUNTERPOINT TO THAT. IF I CAN PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF CLARIFICATION. THE ZONING REGULATIONS ALLOW BOTH MONUMENT SIGNS AND FREESTANDING SIGNS. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THE, THE ZONING RE REGULATIONS ALLOW IT TO CONTINUE AS IT IS, BUT WITH MODIFICATIONS TO BRING IT INTO DESIGN CONFORMANCE. BUT THE FORM AND FUNCTION OF THE SIGN, UH, IS ALLOWED, UH, BOTH AS A MONUMENT, [00:55:01] A FREESTANDING. SO I JUST WANTED TO OFFER THAT POINT OF CLARIFICATION. IT'S NOT AN EXCEPTION TO THE ZONING REGULATIONS. THANK YOU. AND THAT WAS YOU FOR MODIFICATION? YES. OKEY DOKEY. AND THAT WAS THE THING THAT WAS AGREED ON. OKAY. WELL THANK YOU MR. JOANNE. ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? MAY WE GO TO VIRTUAL AND ASK FOR ANY COMMENTS? OH, I'M SORRY. DID WE , OH, I THINK WE MIGHT STILL BE IN THE QUESTION PERIOD BETWEEN COMMISSIONERS, UH, WITH STAFF AND WITH APPLICANT. OH, OH, SORRY. AND IF WE ARE JUST OH, GO. THANK YOU. UH, I JUST HAVE A CLARIFICATION. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING UP THE MULTIMODAL FROM THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. UM, THERE ARE SEVERAL PLACES THAT STATE THAT NEW BIKE RACKS WILL BE, UM, BUILT INTO THE SITE. CORRECT. DOES THAT ADDITION OF BIKE REPS, UH, BIKE RACKS, UH, ALIGN WITH, UM, THE OTHER PRIORITIES THAT WERE MENTIONED UNDER THE MOBILITY? UNDER MOBILITY? YES. WITH COMMISSIONER THOMSON, I WOULD SAY, UM, UM, ADDING OF THOSE BIKE RACKS IS TO HELP WITH THAT MULTIMODAL MOBILITY. WE, AT THE STAFF TABLE, UM, ARE TRYING TO BALANCE, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE MAKE BEST USE OF EXISTING SITES AND MAKE THEM MORE MULTIMODAL, UM, WITH SOME OF THE CONSIDERATIONS. AND IF, IF FOLKS ARE FAMILIAR WITH SOME OF THE HISTORY ON OUR DRIVE-THROUGH REGULATIONS, UM, THE COUNCIL ACTUALLY ENACTED A MORATORIUM BACK IN 2019 ON NEW DRIVE-THROUGHS WHILE WE WORKED TO CREATE DETAILED DRIVE-THROUGH DESIGN GUIDELINES. SO YOU HEARD ABOUT THOSE A LITTLE BIT, UM, IN LEONA'S PRESENTATION EARLIER. UM, AND A LOT OF THOSE STANDARDS ARE FOCUSED ON, UM, MAKING, UM, A BETTER PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE EXPERIENCE TO THE EXTENT WE CAN. UM, MUCH OF IT IS FOCUSED ON IF WE'RE GONNA ALLOW NEW DRIVE-THROUGHS 'CAUSE YOU'RE JUST MORE CONSTRAINED WITH AN EXISTING, UM, DRIVE-THROUGH. BUT THOSE ADDING OF, OF BIKE RACKS AND CONSIDERATION OF, UM, FLOW IS REALLY IMPORTANT. AND THE REASON I WAS BRINGING UP QUEUING EARLIER, UM, RELATED TO THIS IS BECAUSE A LOT OF THE, UM, DESIRED GUIDELINES ARE FOCUSED ON GOALS RELATED TO MINIMIZING QUEUING BECAUSE OF THE POTENTIAL IMPACTS OF AIR QUALITY. SO IF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COME TO THE DRIVE THROUGH ANYWAY, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THEY SPEND AS LITTLE TIME AS POSSIBLE QUEUED SO THAT, UM, THOSE AIR QUALITY, THOSE LOCALIZED AIR QUALITY IMPACTS OR MINIMIZED PARTICULARLY, UM, IN AN ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE COMMUNITY LIKE WEST LONG BEACH. SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME OTHER ASPECTS OF CONSIDERATION. UM, BUT YES, THE, THE ADDITION OF BIKE RACKS IS TO HELP WITH, UM, MAKING THIS A MORE MULTIMODAL ACCESSIBLE LOCATION COMMISSIONERS. AND I JUST WANT TO, UH, POINT OUT THAT IN MY OPINION, UH, THE THING THAT WOULD STOP ME FROM B BIKING TO THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION WOULD NOT BE A PLACE TO LOCK MY BIKE. IT WOULD BE THE FACT THAT IT WOULD BE, UH, TERRIFYING AND DANGEROUS TO BIKE UP SANTA FE AVENUE OR, UH, OR PCH AND USE THE SIDE STREET OR YEAH. THE COTA OR WHATEVER. YEAH, WE CAN GO UP THAT WAY. UM, BUT THE POINT IS THOUGH, THAT THAT, THAT, UH, I UNDERSTAND THE IDEA OF HAVING, DOING WHAT WE CAN WITH THAT, AND I DO APPRECIATE THAT. I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA ENCOURAGE ANYBODY TO, WHO WASN'T ALREADY GONNA BIKE UP THERE BECAUSE THEY PROBABLY CAN'T DRIVE, UH, TO BIKE UP THERE. UM, THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD MENTION IS, I DO REMEMBER THAT DRIVE THROUGH, UM, GUIDELINE ITEM, AND I CAN'T QUOTE IT, BUT I IMAGINE THERE WAS ZERO COMMUNITY SUPPORT FOR ADDING ADDITIONAL DRIVE THROUGH CAPACITY, AND THAT I DO REMEMBER A LOT OF PEOPLE BEING VERY UPSET ABOUT THE COUNCIL SORT OF OVERRIDING WHAT I THINK WAS THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION AT THE TIME THAT WAS FOR THE WASHING CAR WASH. WELL, YEAH, BUT I MEAN THE PLANNING, THE, ANYWAY, WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY WENT, WENT BACK ON THE MOR MORATORIUM, THEY LIFTED IT TO BE, YOU KNOW, IN, UH, YOU KNOW, ALIGNMENT WITH THE CURRENT COMMUNITY, UH, WHICH OF COURSE IS JUST ADDING MORE CARS TO WHERE THERE'S ALREADY MORE CARS. UM, SO ANYWAY, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT WE, WE DID TALK ABOUT THIS AND I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANY COMMUNITY SUPPORT FOR ADDING ADDITIONAL DRIVE-THROUGH CAPACITY. UM, COULD THE STAFF CLARIFY, WAS THAT ON NEW CONSTRUCTION OR IS THIS, 'CAUSE THIS IS UNDER AN EXISTING, UH, CONSTRUCTION. CAN YOU CLARIFY ON THAT? ON THE, UM, DRIVE-THROUGH PART, UH, THE DESIGN GUIDELINES APPLY IN BOTH EXISTING, [01:00:01] UM, AND, AND NEW CONSTRUCTION. BUT DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF IT WILL BE MORE APPLICABLE, OF COURSE, LIKE SITE PLANNING CONSIDERATIONS ARE MUCH MORE CONSTRAINED WHEN THERE'S THE EXISTING, UM, DRIVE THROUGH THE MORATORIUM THAT DID EXIST WAS REPEALED, UH, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, UM, AT THE COUNCIL LEVEL, AT WHICH TIME THE DESIGN GUIDELINES, UM, CAME THROUGH. UM, SO THE, THE DESIGN GUIDELINES TODAY DO APPLY TO BOTH. OKAY. UH, COMMISSIONER, UM, CASTILLO, PLEASE. YES. UM, I MEAN, IN MY CONSIDERATION OF THIS, I, I THINK THE, THE OTHER POINTS ARE WELL TAKEN, BUT I, AND I WOULD BE, UM, MORE RECEPTIVE TO THAT IF IT WAS A NEW DRIVE THROUGH, IT WAS A BRAND NEW DRIVE THROUGH WE ARE CREATING. UM, BUT IN THIS CASE, IT'S REALLY MORE OF AN OPTIMIZATION AND LOOKING AT KIND OF THE EXPERIENCE OF THE CUSTOMERS AND THE, AND THE COMMUNITY AND ALSO THE MITIGATING ANY POTENTIAL OVERFLOW THAT ALREADY EXISTS AND CAN EXIST AT DURING PEAK HOURS, I'M SURE. SO THIS WILL HELP ADDRESS THAT. SO I THINK IT'S KIND OF MAKING THE BEST OF A, OF A CURRENT SITUATION, WHICH HAPPENS TO ALSO HAVE AN ECONOMIC GAIN AS WELL. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, I THINK THE, I'M ALWAYS A PROPONENT OF, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY IN A CASE WHERE THEY'RE REINVESTING IN THIS, IN THIS AREA, UH, IT ONLY HELPS THE COMMUNITY WHEN WE HAVE NEW, BRIGHTER, BETTER, UH, ACCOMMODATIONS. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. OKAY. COMMISSIONERS, WE'RE GOOD. OKAY. I'M JUST GONNA DOUBLE CHECK WITH THE PUBLIC IF ANYBODY WISHES TO COME UP AND SPEAK. I DON'T, I'M GONNA GIVE YOU THE CHANCE TO COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE. OKAY. THANK YOU. MAY WE SEE IF WE HAVE ANY, UM, IF YOU ARE JOINING US VIRTUALLY AND YOU'D LIKE TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE USE THE RAISED HAND FUNCTION AT THIS TIME. THERE APPEARS TO BE NO PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH COMMISSIONERS. UH, WE GOOD TO MOVE ON? OKAY. I'D LIKE TO MOVE ON TO THE VOTE PLEASE. MOTION IS CARRIED. THANK YOU MADAM CLERK. UH, MADAM CLERK, CAN YOU, UH, MOVE ON AND READ THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM PLEASE? ITEM NUMBER [5. 25-55832 Recommendation to accept Categorical Exemption CE-25-069;  Approve Conditional Use Permit (CUP25-003), and adopt the proposed findings and conditions of approval related thereto, for the operation of tattoo parlors/permanent makeup within an existing 44-suite multi-tenant commercial space located at 6553 East Pacific Coast Highway in the Mixed-Use Community Core designation of the Southeast Area Specific Plan (SP-2-MUCC);   Approve Conditional Use Permit (CUP25-007), and adopt the proposed findings and conditions of approval related thereto, for the operation of massage establishments within an existing 44-suite multi-tenant commercial space located at 6553 East Pacific Coast Highway in the Mixed-Use Community Core designation of the Southeast Area Specific Plan (SP-2-MUCC); and Approve a Local Coastal Development Permit (LCDP25-016) for all discretionary actions required for the proposed project and adopt the proposed findings and conditions of approval related thereto. (District 3)         Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] FIVE IS A RECOMMENDATION TO ACCEPT CATEGORICAL EXEMPTION CE DASH TWO FIVE DASH 0 6 9, APPROVE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND ADOPT THE PROPOSED FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL RELATED THERETO FOR THE OPERATION OF TATTOO PARLOR SLASH PERMANENT MAKEUP WITHIN AN EXISTING 44 SUITE MULTI-TENANT COMMERCIAL SPACE LOCATED AT 65 53 EAST PACIFIC COAST HIGHWAY AND THE MIXED USE COMMUNITY CORE DESIGNATION OF THE SOUTHEAST AREA PACIFIC PLAN APPROVED CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND ADOPT THE PROPOSED FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL RELATED THERETO FOR THE OPERATION OF MASSAGE ESTABLISHMENTS WITHIN AN EXISTING 44 SUITE MULTI-TENANT COMMERCIAL SPACE LOCATED AT 65 53 EAST PACIFIC COAST HIGHWAY IN THE MIXED USE COMMUNITY CORD DESIGNATION OF THE SOUTHEAST AREA SPECIFIC PLAN AND APPROVE A LOCAL COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT FOR ALL DISCRETIONARY ACTIONS REQUIRED FOR THE PROPOSED PROJECT AND ADOPT THE PROPOSED FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL RELATED THERE TO DISTRICT THREE. UH, BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO ASK FOR A MOTION ON THAT, I NEED A CLARIFICATION BECAUSE IN THE MOTION BEFORE, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT INCLUDED THE, UM, YES, THE FRIENDLY WAS ACCEPTED, UM, BY BOTH THE MAKER AND SANDRA SECONDER OF THE MOTION REFLECTING IN THE MOTION. THANK YOU. I DIDN'T WANNA MISS THAT. SORRY. NO PROBLEM. OKIE DOKE. UH, MAY I HAVE, UM, A VOTE FOR, UH, TO ADDRESS THIS REC UH, THIS MOTION? THANK YOU. UH, WE HAVE IT MOVED BY COMMISSIONER WARE AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER LEMI. GOOD FINGERS MR. LEMI. OKAY. MAY WE HAVE A PRESENTATION PLEASE? ABSOLUTELY. SO IN A MINUTE I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO PROJECT PLANNER GOPI SHAW, WHO'S, UH, GIVING HER FIRST PRESENTATION HERE AT COMMISSION THIS EVENING. SO WELCOME. WE'RE WELCOME TO WELCOME GOPI. YES. UM, AND I'LL ALSO JUST NOTE, UH, THIS BODY DOES NOT TYPICALLY SEE SORT OF TATTOO OR, UM, PERMANENT MAKEUP, UM, USES, UM, OR MASSAGE USES BECAUSE THEY TYPICALLY ARE DONE THROUGH WHAT'S CALLED AN ADMINISTRATIVE USE PERMIT. THAT'S A QUAI QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING WITH OUR ZONING ADMINISTRATION, UM, OFFICER, HOWEVER, BECAUSE THIS IS LOCATED IN THE SOUTHEAST AREA SPECIFIC PLAN, UM, AND DUE TO THE, UM, THE LAG AND UPDATES TO OUR CODE WITH OUR COASTAL COMMISSION, UM, IN THIS PARTICULAR SMALL AREA OF THE CITY, IT IS, UM, A REQUIREMENT. SO YOU MAY BE RAISING AN EYEBROW THINKING WE DON'T OFTEN SEE THESE TYPES OF, OF HEARINGS, [01:05:01] BUT JUST WANTED TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF CLARIFICATION ON THAT AND THEN I WILL TURN IT OVER TO GOBI. THANK YOU. OOPS, I ALREADY MADE A MISTAKE. OKAY, GOOD EVENING. PLANNING COMMISSION BEFORE YOU IS A REQUEST FOR TWO CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS, ONE FOR MASSAGE AND ONE FOR TATTOO AND OR PERMANENT MAKEUP, AND A LOCAL COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT AT 6 5 5 3 EAST PACIFIC COAST HIGHWAY WITHIN THE SOUTHEAST AREA PACIFIC PLAN ZONING DISTRICT. THE PROPOSED SITE IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF EAST PACIFIC COAST HIGHWAY AND SECOND STREET. IT IS LOCATED WITHIN THE SOUTHEAST PACIFIC PLAN WITHIN THE MIXED USE COMMUNITY CORE LAND USE DESIGNATION AND HAS A REGIONAL SERVING FACILITY GENERAL PLAN PLACE TYPE. THE PROJECT SITE IS APPROXIMATELY 18.1 ACRES 790,000 SQUARE FEET AND IS LOCATED WITHIN THE COASTAL ZONE. THE SITE IS DEVELOPED WITH A ONE STORY SHOPPING CENTER AND 12 BUILDINGS, UM, AND 51 UNITS CONTAINING A MIX OF COMMERCIAL USES AND AMENITIES SUCH AS RETAIL, RESTAURANTS AND GROCERY STORES. THE SITE HAS 954 ONSITE PARKING SPACES. THE SITE HAS COMMERCIAL USES TO THE WEST AND IS ZONED INDUSTRIAL TO THE SOUTH TO THE NORTH. AND THE EAST IS ZONED COASTAL HABITAT, WETLANDS AND RECREATION AND IS WHERE THE 154 ACRE LOS CERRITOS WETLANDS RESTORATION PROJECT IS HAPPENING. THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS TO ALLOW THE OPERATION OF MULTIPLE MASSAGE AND TATTOO ESTABLISHMENTS WITHIN AN EXISTING UNIT CONTAINING 44 SALON SUITES LOCATED IN THE MARKETPLACE SHOPPING CENTER. A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS REQUIRED PER THE SB TWO MIXED USE COMMUNITY CORE ZONING DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS WHEN OPERATING MASSAGE AND OR TATTOO USE. OTHERWISE, AS ALLISON HAS PREVIOUSLY SAID, IT WOULD BE AN ADMINISTRATIVE USE PERMIT IN OTHER TITLE 21 ZONES. A LOCAL COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT IS REQUIRED FOR DISCRETIONARY APPROVALS SUCH AS A UP WITHIN THE COASTAL ZONE TO ENSURE CONSISTENCY WITHIN THE LOCAL COASTAL PROGRAM. THE SITE IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF SECOND STREET AND PACIFIC COAST HIGHWAY. THE PROJECT AREA IS STARRED ON THE BOTTOM LEFT AND IS LOCATED IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE SITE ALONG SHOPKEEPER ROAD. ACCESS TO THE UNIT IS FROM WITHIN THE PROJECT SITE. THE SURFACE PARKING LOT PROVIDES 954 OFF STREET PARKING STALLS WITH 23 BEING DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE BUSINESS. ACCESS TO THE LOT IS SHOWN WITH THE BLUE ARROWS AND IS FROM SHOPKEEPER ROAD TO THE EAST SECOND STREET TO THE NORTH OR EAST PACIFIC COAST HIGHWAY TO THE WEST. THE 7,304 SQUARE FEET UNIT IS BEING USED AS A 44 UNIT SALON SUITE THAT ALLOWS FOR PERSONAL SERVICES SUCH AS BARBER, HAIRSTYLISTS, LASHES AND SKINCARE. THE RECEPTION AREAS IN GREEN BATHROOMS ARE IN BLUE AND A STORAGE ROOM, BREAK ROOM AND UTILITY CLOSET ARE IN WRIT. THE APPLICANT DOES NOT INTEND TO EARMARK SUITES FOR CERTAIN USES. HOWEVER, THEY EXPECT TO HAVE THREE TO FOUR MASSAGE THERAPISTS AND FOUR TO FIVE TATTOO OR PERMANENT MAKEUP ARTISTS LESS THAN 10% FOR MASSAGE USE AND LESS THAN 10 15% FOR PERMANENT MAKEUP. THE APPLICANT MEETS ALL THE SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OF 21 45 1 66. NO OTHER TATTOO PARLORS ARE WITHIN 700 FEET. HOURS OF OPERATIONS WILL BE FROM 9:00 AM TO 6:00 PM PULL DOWN WINDOW SHEETS ARE PROVIDED FOR EACH SUITE FOR ALL WINDOWS AND SIGNS WILL BE POSTED BOTH ON THE FRONT ENTRANCE OF THE PROJECT SITE AS WELL AS INDIVIDUAL TENANT SUITES. ON THE OTHER HAND, THE APPLICANT DOES NOT MEET THE CONDITIONAL USE REQUIREMENTS OF 21 52 0 3 0 STATING THAT NEW MASSAGE ESTABLISHED ESTABLISHMENTS MUST NOT BE FEWER THAN 750 FEET FROM ANOTHER AS MEASURED BY PROPERTY LINES. AND I WILL GO INTO THAT MORE ON THE NEXT SLIDE. THERE IS AN ACTIVE BUSINESS LICENSE FOR MASSAGE USE, APPROXIMATELY 320 FEET NORTHWEST OF THE PROPOSED USE WITHIN THE SHA SAME SHOPPING CENTER, BUT A SEPARATE BUILDING. THE MASSAGE USE IS WITHIN SANCTUARY SPA, BUT IS JUST AN ACCESSORY USE. THE OTHER ACTIVE BUSINESS LICENSE WITHIN 750 FEET IS AT THE NOW MASSAGE ACROSS EAST PC, UH, PACIFIC COAST HIGHWAY AT THE SECOND AND PCH SHOPPING CENTER. THREE MAJOR DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS ARE IN PLAN REVIEW OR IN CONSTRUCTION JUST SOUTH OF THE PROJECT SITE, AND WE'LL BRING IN NEARLY 1300 NEW UNITS DUE THE DUE TO THE FACT THAT THIS AREA WILL HAVE A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN RESIDENCE SEEKING PERSONAL AND PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, ESPECIALLY WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OF WHERE THEY LIVE. AND DUE TO THE FACT THAT THERE ARE ONLY TWO OTHER ACTIVE BUSINESS LICENSES FOR MASSAGE USE, STAFF BELIEVES THAT APPROVING AN ADDITIONAL CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR MASSAGE ESTABLISHMENT IN THIS CONTEXT WOULD MEET THE INTENT OF THE CODE DESPITE CREATING WHAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED AN OVER CONCENTRATION OF MASSAGE USES WITHIN AN AREA. THE PURPOSE OF THE LOCAL COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT IS TO ENSURE THAT ALL PUBLIC AND PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT IN THE LONG BEACH COASTAL ZONE IS DEVELOPED CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S CERTIFIED LOCAL PRO COASTAL PROGRAM. THE LCP IDENTIFIES THIS AREA'S MIXED USE COMMUNITY CORE. THIS AREA IS ENVISIONED AS A PRIMARY [01:10:01] ACTIVITY CENTER IN THE CSIP AREA AND PROVIDES FOR A MIX OF USES INCLUDING RESIDENTIAL, REGIONAL, RETAIL, OVERNIGHT VISITORS, SERVING ACCOMMODATIONS AND OFFICE USES. THE FOCUS OF THIS DESIGNATION IS ON CREATING A PEDESTRIAN SCALE ENVIRONMENT, INCLUDING INCREASED CONNECTIVITY, GATHERING SPACES AND LINKAGES TO THE MARINA AND WETLANDS. THE PROPOSED USES COMPLEMENT THE ESTABLISHED RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS AND IS CONSISTENT WITH ESTABLISHED USES WITHIN THE MARKETPLACE SHOPPING CENTER. MOREOVER, THESE USES PROVIDE OPTIONS TO INCREASE PUBLIC CONNECTIVITY TO OPEN SPACE, INCLUDING THE ADJACENT WETLANDS AND MARINA. THE REQUIRED LCDP WILL COVER BOTH DISCRETIONARY APPROVALS UNDER REVIEW AND THE PROPOSED USES MEET THE FINDINGS REQUIRED OF THE LCDP CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL HAVE BEEN ADDED TO ENSURE THAT THE ESTABLISHMENT OPERATES IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE. SOME SUITES WILL NOT BE ALLOWED FOR MASSAGE USE BECAUSE VISIBILITY REQUIREMENTS CANNOT BE MET DUE TO THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE WINDOW OPENINGS OF ONE FOOT OR LESS. RETRACTABLE WINDOW COVERINGS MUST BE PROVIDED FOR ALL SUITES TO ALLOW FOR VISIBILITY WHILE ALSO NOT EXPOSING SPECIFIED ANATOMICAL AREAS. EXTERIOR LIGHTING SHALL NOT OVER SPILL ONTO WETLANDS AND PROTECTED AREAS AND SIGN SHALL BE PLACED ON BOTH THE ENTRANCE OF THE BUILDING AND INDIVIDUAL TENANT SPACES ACCORDING TO THE MASSAGE AND TATTOO CONDITIONS. FURTHERMORE, THERE SHALL NOT BE MORE THAN 25% OF THE SUITES, WHICH WAS 11 SUITES OCCUPIED BY MASSAGE. MASSAGE ESTABLISHMENT USES WITHIN THE TENANT SPACE. ANY FUTURE REQUEST TO EXPAND THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF MASSAGE ESTABLISHMENT USES WITHIN THE TENANT SPACE WOULD REQUIRE MODIFICATION TO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WITH PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVAL. ALL CONDITIONS ARE INCLUDED IN THE TENANT LEASE AGREEMENTS AS AN ADDENDUM. SO FUTURE LESSEE ARE AWARE OF THE CONDITIONS. 12 SUITES DON'T HAVE WINDOW OPENINGS OR HAVE WINDOW OPENINGS OF ONE FOOT OR LESS AND WILL BE PROHIBITED FROM BECOMING MASSAGE ESTABLISHMENTS AS THEY DON'T MEET THE, UH, THE VIS THE MASSAGE VISIBILITY REQUIREMENTS. ALL FINDINGS CAN BE MADE IN THEM AFFIRMATIVE FOR BOTH CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS, UM, AND INCLUDE, UH, THEY ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN AND ALL ZONING REGULATIONS. ALL FINDINGS CAN ALSO BE MADE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE FOR THE LOCAL COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT, INCLUDING CONFORMING TO THE CERTIFIED LOCAL COASTAL PROGRAM. THIS PROJECT QUALIFIES FOR CATEGORICAL EXEMPTION SECTION 15 3 0 1 EXISTING FACILITIES DUE TO THE FACT THAT IT ENTAILS INTERIOR ALTERATIONS FOR TENANT IMPROVEMENTS AND LEASING WITHIN AN EXISTING STRUCTURE. NOTICING WAS COMPLETED IN COMPLIANCE WITH SECTION 2121 OF THE MUNICIPAL CODE. A TOTAL OF 2,244 NOTICES WERE DISTRIBUTED AND NO PUBLIC COMMENT WAS RECEIVED. BASED ON THE ANALYSIS OF THE PROJECT, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS AND LOCAL COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR THE OPERATION OF TATTOO PARLORS AND OR PERMANENT MAKEUP BUSINESSES AND MASSAGE ESTABLISHMENT USES SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. THIS CONCLUDES STAFF PRESENTATION. STAFF AND THE APPLICANT ARE PRESENT FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THE APPLICANT IS NATHAN MAYS. THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONERS, DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, QUESTIONS FOR THIS, UH, COMMISSIONER CASTILLO? YES. SO JUST TO CLARIFY, AND I, I WANNA MAKE SURE, UM, AS IT RELATES TO THE, THE TRANSITION BETWEEN TATTOO PARLOR AND, UM, AND, UH, WHAT'S THE OTHER TERMINOLOGY? PERMANENT MAKEUP. PERMANENT MAKEUP, THANK YOU. UM, THERE'S A PROHIBITION RIGHT NOW IN TERMS OF DISTANCE FROM PARLORS TO PARLORS, UH, AND IN THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, THERE ISN'T A, AN ESTABLISHED LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF, UM, SUBUNITS, I'LL CALL THEM. THAT, THAT THAT CAN EXIST IN THE, IN THE FACILITY. UH, BUT CAN THEY ACTUALLY CREATE MULTIPLE ACTUAL TATTOO PARLORS, LIKE FULL BLOWN TATTOO PARLORS AS OPPOSED TO, UH, THOSE THAT ARE FOR COSMETIC, UH, PURPOSES? IS YOUR QUESTION WHETHER, UM, THE TENANTS WITHIN THE SALON SUITES CAN HAVE AN ACTUAL, YOUR TYPICAL TATTOO PARLOR, NOT JUST LIMITED TO PERMANENT MAKEUP MM-HMM . YES. YES. YES. SO, UH, UM, UNDER THE DEFINITION OF A TATTOO ESTABLISHMENT, PERMANENT MAKEUP, IF IT'S NOT APPLIED BY A DERMATOLOGIST OR A LICENSED DOCTOR, IS CONSIDERED TO BE, UH, A TATTOO. AND SO THAT'S, UM, THE STATE DEFINITION. SO WE USE THEM INTERCHANGEABLY. UH, TRADITIONALLY IN A SALON SETTING, UM, YOU'RE PROBABLY MORE LIKELY TO GET PERMANENT MAKEUP IN THIS KIND OF A SETTING, BUT WE'RE USING THE CORRECT TERMINOLOGY. SO YOU CAN HAVE A, A TATTOO PARLOR THAT'S A MORE TRADITIONAL SETTING, OR YOU COULD HAVE A PERMANENT MAKEUP. YOU COULD PROBABLY DO BOTH, UM, AS LONG AS YOU HAVE THE PROPER LICENSING. SO YES, IT WOULD BE, YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE A TRADITIONAL TATTOO PARLOR WITHIN THAT SUITE. [01:15:01] AND I, I'M WONDERING IF, UM, IN, IN DOING SO, BECAUSE THERE ISN'T A RESTRICTION ON THOSE TYPE OF BUSINESSES AS OPPOSED TO THE PERMANENT MAKEUP SALON TYPE, UM, PROCEDURES, IF WE'RE INADVERTENTLY CREATING A LOOPHOLE THAT YOU COULD HAVE POTENTIALLY 24 TATTOO PARLORS, LIKE A LITTLE MINI MALL OF TATTOO PARLOR BUSINESSES IN HERE. SO STAFF DID HAVE A DIRECT REASON WHY. SO THE MASSAGE ESTABLISHMENT WAS TO ENSURE THAT MASSAGE WERE MADE ACCESSORY. UM, ONE OF THE SPECIAL PROVISIONS THAT THIS COMMISSION CAN DO IS WAIVE THAT, UH, DISTANCE REQUIREMENT FOR THE 750 FEET, WHICH IS THE RECOMMENDATION OF STAFF. THAT'S WHERE YOUR 25% LIMIT COMES FROM. MASSAGE, UH, STAFF DID NOT FEEL IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO LIMIT TATTOO AS, UH, THE REASONS WHY THE ADMINISTRATIVE USE PERMIT PROCESS EXISTS IS RELATED TO FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION AND FREEDOM OF SPEECH WHEN IT COMES TO TATTOOING. UH, IN 2018, WE DID CHANGE OUR CODE REGULATIONS BECAUSE TATTOO PARLORS DID USE TO HAVE CUP REQUIREMENTS, AND THEY WERE, UM, A LARGE LIFT. UH, THEY WERE A CHALLENGE TO GET. AND IN RESPONSE, THE CITY DID, UH, LOOSEN REGULATIONS. IF YOU ARE IN WHAT PROXIMITY TO ANOTHER TATTOO PARLOR UNDER THE ZONING CODE, YOU NEED ADMINISTRATIVE USE PERMIT. IT'S NOT PROHIBITED. SO YOU CAN HAVE A CONCENTRATION OF TATTOO PARLORS UNDER THE ZONING REGULATIONS. THERE'S NO PROHIBITION ON THAT. IT'S JUST ADDED DISCRETION AT STAFF. SO STAFF DID NOT WANT TO OVER-REGULATE ITEMS THAT ARE SUBJECT TO FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION, WHICH ARE, UH, COME UNDER TATTOOING. BUT RELATIVE TO THE AMOUNT OF, WOULD THEY STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH AN APPROVAL PROCESS FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL SUBTENANT TO BE LICENSED AND APPROVED INTO THAT AREA? OR IN SO DOING, ARE WE CREATING A BLANKET APPROVAL FOR ANYONE TO COME IN AND HAVE, FOR THE LACK OF A BETTER TERM, 40 TATTOO PARLORS OR TRADITIONAL TATTOO PARLORS? AS THE CONDITIONS ARE DRAFTED, YOU COULD HAVE AS MANY TATTOO SUBTENANTS WITHIN THE TENANT SUITE AS THEY'RE DRAFTED RIGHT NOW. MM-HMM . UH, EACH TENANT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS TO SHOW COMPLIANCE WITH ALL THE NUMEROUS CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT ARE REQUIRED OF ALL TATTOO PARLORS. UM, BUT YES, SO YOU COULD HAVE 44 AS THE CONDITIONS ARE DRAFTED, AND THAT WAS AS STAFF RECOMMENDED TO NOT, UH, IMPINGE ON FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND EXPRESSION. AND IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT IN TERMS OF HOW THE BUSINESS OPERATES. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. 'CAUSE WHEN WE'RE SAYING 44 TATTOOED PARLORS, I'M NOT SURE THAT'S QUITE THE RIGHT WAY TO SAY IT, BECAUSE THEY CAN SPEAK TO IT BETTER THAN ME. THIS IS, UH, BAYES THE FRANCHISE OWNER. UH, I RUN IT WITH MY WIFE. SHE DOES THE DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS. UM, YEAH, WHAT, WHAT THIS IS, IS A VERY SPA-LIKE PROFESSIONAL, UM, LIKE, YOU KNOW, SALON SUITE BUSINESS. SO WE'RE NOT REALLY LOOKING TO, UH, RENT TO TATTOO ARTISTS. WHAT WE ARE LOOKING TO DO IS RENT TO PERMANENT MAKEUP ARTISTS, UH, THAT IS THE GROWING BUSINESS IN THE, YOU KNOW, BEAUTY SALON, UH, SPACE. AND SO THAT'S WHAT, WHAT WE'RE AFTER. UM, I DO NOT, UH, WE OWN OTHER LOCATIONS. I DON'T HAVE ONE TAR TATTOO ARTIST IN ANY OF THEM. UM, I WOULD NOT DO, I WOULD NOT WANNA PUT THEM IN MY SPACE BECAUSE IT WOULD TAKE AWAY FROM THAT SPA-LIKE EXPERIENCE. UM, SO I, THAT'S REALLY NOT WHAT WE'RE AFTER. WE'RE JUST AFTER THOSE BEAUTY PROFESSIONALS AND THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, UP AND COMING TREND, SO EYEBROWS AND THAT TYPE OF THING. SO IT WOULD ACTUALLY HURT MY BUSINESS, QUITE FRANKLY, TO RIGHT TO THAT TOO. AND THAT MIGHT BE WORTH HEARING A LITTLE BIT MORE OF HOW, HOW THE SPACE IS ACTUALLY SET, SET UP. UM, SURE. YEAH. I THINK THERE'S A MAP UP THERE, BUT YOU WALK IN, IT'S, IT'S, UM, IT'S REALLY INTENDED FOR REALLY, UH, SUCCESSFUL, UH, BEAUTY PROFESSIONALS, RIGHT? THEY HAVE THEIR OWN BOOK OF BUSINESS. SO YOU, THERE'S A, YOU WALK IN, THERE'S A LOBBY, UH, EVERY SUITE IS ABOUT 110 TO 130 SQUARE FEET, HAVE THEIR OWN DOOR, THEIR OWN WINDOW. UM, WE KIND OF ACT LIKE PROPERTY MANAGERS, SO WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP IT SAFE, IT'S CLEAN. UH, WE HAVE ONSITE MANAGERS THAT ARE THERE MONITORING, CLEANING CREWS EVERY NIGHT. WE'VE GOT 24, YOU KNOW, HOUR SECURITY CAM, UH, SECURITY CAMERAS. UM, AND SO WHAT WE REALLY DO PROVIDE IS LIKE THIS LITTLE SPACE, UH, FOR SOMEONE THAT'S REALLY GOOD AT THEIR CRAFT OR THEIR ART, UH, OR THEIR BEAUTY PROFESSION, UH, TO COME IN AND HAVE THEIR OWN LITTLE MICRO BUSINESS SO THEY CAN SET UP THEIR, UM, LITTLE INDIVIDUAL SUITE. THEY CAN DECORATE IT, UM, ANY WAY THEY LIKE IT, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, AND PERFORM AND KIND OF RUN THEIR OWN BUSINESS OUT OF THE SPACE. SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW THE, THE MODEL WORKS, IF THAT HELPS. THAT. GOOD. I I DID HAVE A QUESTION THAT IT'S, I KNOW THE MAKEUP THING, IT'S YOUR LIPS, IT'S YOUR LINER, SOMETIMES SHADOW, LIKE SHADOW ON THIS. ARE ANY, ARE YOU PLAYING ON HAVING SOMEONE THAT DOES TATTOO REMOVAL? [01:20:01] I KNOW SOMETIMES THEY WANNA GET RID OF THE COLORS ON THE LIPS THAT THEY CHOOSE WHEN THEY'RE YOUNG. YEAH, WE HAVEN'T COME ACROSS THAT YET AS A, UM, BUT THE, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THIS INDUSTRY CHANGES, RIGHT? IN TERMS OF WHAT PEOPLE ARE OFFERING. UM, SO, UM, BUT WE WOULD, I'D BE OPEN TO THAT. I MEAN, THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING TATTOO REMOVAL. UM, YOU KNOW, BUT MY COMMENT BEFORE WAS JUST I DON'T, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU DON'T WANNA SEE A LOT OF TATTOO PARLORS RIGHT, WITHIN MY SPACE. SO WE WANT TO KEEP IT VERY HIGH LEVEL, UM, AND VERY PROFESSIONAL LOOKING. SO HOPEFULLY THAT ADDRESSED YOUR QUESTION. THANK YOU, SIR. ANYONE ELSE HAVE A, UH, COMMISSIONER CLEMSON? I'LL START WITH, UH, THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR, YOUR ANSWERS HERE. I HAVE A, UH, SO WE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE SUITES BEING INELIGIBLE FOR SOME OF THE SERVICES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. UM, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH THOSE SUITES? SO ABOUT 50 TO 60% OF OUR SUITES ARE HAIRSTYLISTS. THAT'S WHAT THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THE FRANCHISE MODEL, PHOENIX, UH, SALON SUITES. UM, SO THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL INTENT. UM, BUT WE ALSO HAVE A LOT OF AESTHETICIANS SKINCARE, UM, AND SO, UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL FIND A WAY TO, TO MOVE THOSE AROUND. WE'LL JUST HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE JUST WON'T OFFER THOSE TO MASSAGE AND PERMANENT MAKEUP. UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK WE'LL HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, OBVIOUSLY, AS GOPI MENTIONED, I DON'T THINK WE'LL HAVE MORE THAN THREE TO FOUR, YOU KNOW, MASSAGE, PERMANENT MAKEUP'S KIND OF A NEW THING. SO IT'S NICE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT, UH, AS AN ABILITY TO PROVIDE THAT, YOU KNOW, SERVICE OR THE CAPABILITY FOR SOMEBODY THAT WANTS TO GET INTO THAT BUSINESS. UM, SO WE'LL JUST KIND OF MOVE FOLKS AROUND. WE'LL JUST HAVE THE SUITES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, AVAILABLE. SO IF WE HAVE SOMEONE THAT COMES IN AND THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT'S AVAILABLE, WE PUT 'EM ON THE WAIT LIST AND WE'LL JUST WAIT UNTIL, YOU KNOW, A SUITE THAT IS ELIGIBLE OPENS UP. BUT AT LEAST IT GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO, YOU KNOW, FOR ME ON THE BUSINESS SIDE, TO SELL THE SUITES, UH, BUT ALSO GIVE THE, YOU KNOW, THE OPPORTUNITY FOR, AGAIN, A REALLY SUCCESSFUL, YOU KNOW, BEAUTY PROFESSIONAL TO HAVE THEIR OWN LITTLE MICRO BUSINESS, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM. SO THERE'S PLENTY OF STUFF THAT YOU CAN ABSOLUTELY. TO FILL THIS. AND THEN JUST A QUESTION TO STAFF, KIND OF GOING OFF OF WHAT, UH, COMMISSIONER CASTILLO'S QUESTION WAS, UM, IS, WAS, WAS THAT THE CONCERN IS, IS NOT OUTRIGHT BANNING TATTOO ITSELF THAT EXPRESSION, UH, FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION CONCERN, AND SO THAT'S CORRECT. GO AHEAD. YEAH, SO IT IS A FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION, AND AGAIN, THE STATE HAS, UM, UNDER THEIR JURISDICTION SAID THAT TATTOO AND PERMANENT MAKEUP ALL NEED TO BE TREATED THE SAME. IT'S UNDER ONE DEFINITION. UM, AND SO MARIANNE, YOU KNOW, DESCRIBED IT EARLIER, BUT, UM, THE WAY THE CODE IS WRITTEN, UM, THERE, THERE IS A, THERE IS A CAP ON MASSAGE OR A CONCERN OF OVER CONCENTRATION AND REGULATIONS TO PREVENT THAT. ON THE TATTOO SIDE, IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF WHETHER THE USE PERMIT IS REQUIRED. UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, ALL OF THESE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, INCLUDING HOW THE, HOW EVERYTHING OPERATES, UM, WILL CONTINUE TO RUN WITH THE LAND PERMANENTLY, AS DOES THE USE PERMIT. UM, AND SO BOTH THE BUSINESS OPERATOR AND THE SUBTENANTS WOULD ALL BE, UM, SUBJECT TO THOSE OPERATIONAL CONDITIONS FOR THE LIFE OF THE USE PERMIT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER SUAREZ, DID YOU HAVE A, UH, QUESTION? YES. THANK YOU. UM, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CASTILLO FOR BRINGING UP YOUR QUESTION. AND I'M JUST CURIOUS, UH, IN THE FINDINGS, UM, WITH LOCAL COASTAL DEVELOPMENT, PERMANENT FI FINDINGS, SECTION ONE, PARAGRAPH THREE, UM, THE SENTENCE, THE PROPOSED TATTOO PARLOR, PERMANENT MAKEUP BUSINESS AND MASSAGE ESTABLISHMENT USES WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING CONTEXT OF THE MARKET'S PLACE SHOPPING CENTER THAT CONSISTS OF RETAIL AND SMALL SCALE PERSONAL SERVICE USE WITHIN SMALL SCALE PERSONAL SERVICE USE. IS THERE A WAY TO CLARIFY THAT? THAT INCLUDES TATTOO MAKEUP, OR DOES THAT IMPLY TATTOO MAKEUP AND NOT TATTOO PARLOR IN REGARDS TO, 'CAUSE IT'S SMALL SCALE, I THINK THE INTENT OF THAT STATEMENT IS TO SAY THAT THE MARKETPLACE IS ACTUALLY MULTIPLE BUILDINGS CARVED OUT INTO SMALLER TENANT SPACES. AND THEN ALSO THE, THE INTENT OF THE SOUTHEAST AREA SPECIFIC PLAN, ESPECIALLY IN THE MIXED USE COMMUNITY CORE, IS TO CO-LOCATE HOUSING AND VISITOR SERVING USES AND PERSONAL SERVING USES, UH, WITH THOSE. SO AS GOPI MENTIONED, WE DO HAVE A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF UNITS GOING IN, UH, ACTUALLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW. AND THE IMPORTANCE IS CO-LOCATING THOSE WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE. AND SO BY DOING THAT, WE HAVE, UM, PROBABLY WITHIN A HALF MILE YOU CAN WALK AND GO GET YOUR, UM, MASSAGE YOUR EYEBROWS DONE. AND, AND THAT'S REALLY THE GOAL IS [01:25:01] TO CREATE A SELF-SERVICE AREA. WE HAVE GROCERY STORES, UM, ALL LOCATED OVER THERE. SO REALLY THE GOAL OF THE MIXED USE COMMUNITY CORE IS TO CREATE, UM, SOME KIND OF SYNERGY IN THAT INTERSECTION. AND THAT'S WHAT THE GOAL OF THIS IS, IS YOU CAN GO GET YOUR SALON, UH, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET IN THE CAR TO GO GET YOUR, UM, SALON TREATMENTS. AND THAT'S WHERE THAT SENTENCE WAS INTENDED TO SHOW. WE DON'T SEE, UM, BIG BOX RETAILERS AT THIS LOCATION. YOU MAY SEE LARGER TENANT SPACES OVER AT SECOND AND PCH ACROSS THE WAY. IT JUST SERVES A DIFFERENT CLIENTELE. UH, THE MARKETPLACE IS SMALLER SCALE, UM, TENANT SPACES THAN YOU SEE, UH, IN MARINA PACIFICA OR ACROSS THE STREET AT SECOND AND PCH. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. UH, COMMISSIONER LIMI? DID YOU? NOPE. YOU'RE GOOD. COMMISSIONER WARE? I'M GOOD. GOOD. THANK YOU, SIR. APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU KOPI. ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO STEP UP? IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC? SEEING NONE, UH, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY, UH, VIRTUALLY PLEASE, IF YOU ARE JOINING US VIRTUALLY AND YOU'D LIKE TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE USE THE RAISE HAND FUNCTION AT THIS TIME. THERE APPEARS TO BE NO PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU, SIR. UM, I HAVE A QUESTION THAT WE HAVE TWO MOTIONS HERE. ARE THEY CONSIDERED, DO WE TAKE TWO VOTES OR DOES ONE VOTE COVER? WE CAN COVER THEM IN ONE VOTE. IF THERE'S NO NEED TO BREAK THEM, WE CAN COVER THEM IN A SINGLE VOTE. ONE VOTE. THANK YOU. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE ALL THESE BETTER . OKAY. SO, UM, MADAM, OH, I'M SORRY. COMMISSIONERS. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NO. GOOD. UH, MAY WE HAVE THE VOTE PLEASE? MOTION IS CARRIED. THANK YOU SO MUCH. APPRECIATE THAT, MRS. CLARK. AND THAT WAS WELL DONE FOR FIRST. UM, WELL DONE. SO, UH, WE HAVE ONE MORE I BELIEVE. COULD YOU READ THAT PRESENTATION? UH, THE, UH, AGENDA ITEM PLEASE. ITEM [6. 25-55831 Recommendation to conduct a study session on the Open Space and Recreation Element (OSRE) Update.        Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] NUMBER SIX IS A RECOMMENDATION TO CONDUCT A STUDY SESSION ON THE OPEN SPACE AND RECREATION ELEMENT UPDATE. THANK YOU. MAY I, UH, HAVE A MOTION TO, AH, THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER SUAREZ, MOVED AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER WARE. THANK YOU. UH, IF WE MAY HAVE OUR PRESENTATION PLEASE. THANK YOU, VICE CHAIR. I'M, UH, DELIGHTED TO INTRODUCE, UH, PROJECT MANAGER, CARLY AND HU, TO PROVIDE THIS, UH, PRESENTATION ON OUR EFFORTS TO UPDATE THE OPEN SPACE AND RECREATION ELEMENT OR CHAPTER OF OUR GENERAL PLAN. I THINK THE COMMISSION IS AWARE THAT, UM, SOME INITIAL TECHNICAL ANALYSIS HAS BEEN UNDERWAY, UM, ON THIS IMPORTANT AND TIMELY UPDATE. UM, AND CAME UP JUST LAST COMMISSION MEETING LAST WEEK AS WE WERE LOOKING AT, UM, A SKY LINKS PROJECT, WHICH WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS EVENING. AND WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO CARLENE. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE OPEN SPACE AND RECREATION ELEMENT UPDATE TONIGHT. UM, BEFORE THIS, UH, WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARK, TO TALK TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION, AND PRIOR TO THAT, THE, UM, CLIMATE RESILIENT AND SUSTAINABLE CITY COMMISSION. LONG NAME, UM, BEFORE THAT. SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO BE HERE BEFORE YOU TO REALLY TALK ABOUT, UM, THIS, UM, I WILL WAIT TILL THE PRESENTATION IS ON THE SCREEN. ONE MOMENT, PLEASE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, LET'S GO. SO THE PURPOSE OF THE OPEN SPACE AND RECREATION ELEMENT UPDATE, UM, OR OSRE FOR SURE, IS THAT THE OSRE IS A LONG-TERM POLICY DOCUMENT PLANNING, THE COMPREHENSIVE PRESERVATION AND CONSERVATION OF OPEN SPACE LAND, AND DISCOURAGES THE PREMATURE AND UNNECESSARY CONVERSION OF OPEN SPACE LAND TO URBAN USES, UM, OPEN SPACE LAND. UM, IT'S DEFINED AS ANY PARCEL OR AREA LAND OR WATER THAT [01:30:01] IS ESSENTIALLY UNIMPROVED AND DEVOTED TO OPEN SPACE USE, AND THAT IS DESIGNATED TO LOCAL, REGIONAL, OR STATE OPEN SPACE PLANNING. UH, THE STATE HAS MANY, UH, TYPES OF CATEGORIES WITHIN THAT OPEN SPACE DEF DEFINITION. THAT INCLUDES THE PRESERVATION OF NATURAL RESOURCES, UM, MANAGED PRODUCTION OF RESOURCES FOR OUTDOOR RECREATION, FOR PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY, UH, MILITARY INSTALLATIONS, AND FOR TRIBAL RESOURCES. UH, PLANNERS OFTEN USE THE OPEN SPACE ELEMENT FOR GUIDANCE, UM, AS IT RELATES TO DEVELOPMENT AND MANAGEMENT OF OPEN SPACES THROUGH THE PERMITTING AND ENTITLEMENT PROCESS. UM, AS WE DISCUSSED, IT'S A LONG-TERM POLICY DOCUMENT THAT DETERMINES HOW THE CITY USES, EXPANDS AND DESIGNS, PARKS AND RECREATION SPACE. IT IS ONE OF NINE ELEMENTS WITHIN THE CITY'S GENERAL PLAN MANDATED BY THE STATE. AND TO BE CLEAR, IT IS NOT A DOCUMENT THAT REGULATES DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS OF THE PARKS, RECREATION, AND MARINE DEPARTMENT, NOR DOES IT PROGRAM FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. SO WHY UPDATE, UH, THIS, THIS, UM, UPDATE IS TIMELY IN THAT SENATE BILL 1425 REQUEST THAT TO UPDATE THE OPEN SPACE ELEMENT BY 2020, START THE UPDATE BY 2026. WE ALSO HAD THE MAYOR'S A HUNDRED DAY PLAN THAT CALLED FOR THE UPDATE, FOCUSING ON RESIDENT ACCESSIBILITY TO OPEN SPACES. UM, AND THEN WE HAVE THE LB CAP LONG BEACH CLIMATE ACTION PLAN THAT CALLS TO ENHANCE AND EXPAND GREEN SPACES, PARTICULARLY PARKS AND GREEN SPACES IN COMMUNITIES MOST VULNERABLE TO EXTREME HEAT AND AIR QUALITY CLIMATE IMPACTS. UM, AND WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THIS AND WORKING WITH, UM, THE COMMUNITY, BUT IT IS THE DUTY OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO PREPARE, APPROVE, AND RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR ADOPTION OR AMENDMENT, A COMPREHENSIVE GENERAL PLAN, UM, WHICH SHALL SERVE AS A BASIC POLICY GUIDE FOR FUTURE GROWTH, DEVELOPMENT, REDEVELOPMENT, CONSERVATION, AND IMPROVEMENT OF THE CITY. AND, UH, WE ALSO WANNA EMPHASIZE THAT THIS ELEMENT, UM, UPDATE WILL BUILD ON EXISTING PLANS THAT EXIST TODAY. THE STRATEGIC PLAN, PRMS STRATEGIC PLAN, WHICH, UH, OVERSEES THEIR DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS, UM, HAD ROBUST OUTREACH THAT WE BUILD UPON. SO WE'LL, UH, CONTINUE TO USE THE FEES FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVE, AND CONTINUE TO COLLECT FEEDBACK AND ENGAGEMENT ON HOW WE SHOULD REALLY, REALLY BE THINKING ABOUT OPEN SPACES FOR THE TODAY'S NEEDS OF TODAY. AND OBVIOUSLY TOMORROW. IN TERMS OF, UM, O UH, OPEN SPACE, UM, ELEMENT POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR REALLY UNDERSTANDING HOW IT IMPACTS THIS COMMISSION AND THE PLAN, THE WORK THAT PLANNERS DO, WE PROVIDED A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES. ONE IS DAVENPORT PARK, WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY A REDEVELOPMENT PO PROJECT CREATED TO REPLACE PARK ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY. UM, AND SO THIS WAS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY, UM, FOR O UH, OP OPEN SPACE POLICIES TO ENCOURAGE THE CITY TO PURCHASE LEGAL NON-CONFORMING USES FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF OPEN SPACE SPACES IN PARK POOR AREAS. AND THIS WAS FORMALLY A LANDFILL. UM, AND THE NEXT PHASE OF DEVELOPMENT TO THE, UH, DAVENPORT PARK WAS, WILL BE TO EXPAND THE EXISTING 5.5 ACRE PARK TO 11.5 ACRES. AND WHEN WE THINK ABOUT, UM, GENERAL PLAN AND OPEN SPACE ELEMENTS, WHAT THE, THE GREAT, UM, PO OPPORTUNITY IT HAS IS TO, UM, INVENTORY THE PARKS AND PROTECT THESE PARKS, UM, IN PERPETUITY. ANOTHER CASE STORY, UH, STUDY THAT YOU'RE ALL VERY FAMILIAR WITH IS THIS SKY LAKES REGIONAL STORMWATER CAPTURE, UM, PROJECT THAT RECENTLY CAME BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO APPROVE SITE PLAN REVIEW. SO IT WAS WITHIN THE PARK ZONING DISTRICT IN INCORPORATED WALKING TRAILS. BENCHES NEEDED VEGETATION AND INTERPRETIVE SIGNAGE IN THE AREA, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED IT WITH CONDITIONS TO ENHANCE PUBLIC ASSET, UH, ACCESS OF THE PASSIVE OPEN SPACE COMPONENT. SO RIGHT HERE, WE WANNA REALLY IDENTIFY THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENT TYPES OF OPEN SPACE THROUGHOUT CITY WITH MANY OPPORTUNITIES AND BENEFITS FOR THE COMMUNITY, AS WELL AS TO PROTECT THE ENVIRONMENT. AND IT ALSO HELPED IMPLEMENT THE LB CAP ADAPTATION, INCLUDING DROUGHT AND AIR QUALITY ADAPTATION ACTIONS. SO, UM, WE, WE WANNA TALK ABOUT ALSO THE TEAM THAT WE HAVE HELPING US THROUGH THIS REALLY IMPORTANT PROJECT. UM, WE HAVE ON THE TEAM, WHILE IT'S ROBERTS AND TODD, THE CONSULTANTS THAT ARE HELPING US WITH THE TECHNICAL LEAD, THEY HAVE A LOT OF, UH, STRONG BEST PRACTICES IN INDUSTRY EXPERIENCE RELATED TO OPEN SPACE ELEMENT, AND, UM, ENGAGING WITH PARK PLANNING OVERALL. UH, WE HAVE KUI DESIGN INITIATIVE TO HELP US WITH, UH, ROBUST COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, AS WELL AS A LOT OF SUB CONSULTANTS, SUB CONSULTS, WHICH HAVE IN THE PAST BEEN INVOLVED IN A LOT OF ADVOCACY WORK. SO THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, BUILT IN NETWORK THAT HAS EXISTED AND THEN WILL CONTINUE TO BE LEVERAGED IN HOPEFULLY, UM, AN ADVANTAGE TO US, UH, FOR THAT ROBUST AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. AND WE ALWAYS WANNA HIGHLIGHT THAT THIS, UH, WORK IS IN PARTNERSHIP, UM, COLLABORATION WITH THE PARKS REC MARINE, UM, DEPARTMENT, AS WELL AS PUBLIC WORKS, UH, TO REALLY ENSURE THAT WHEN WE THINK ABOUT PLANS, WE'RE NOT DOING THAT WORK IN A SILO. IT'S WITH SYNERGY, IT IS WITH COLLABORATION [01:35:01] AND CO-DEVELOPMENT. AND OF COURSE THAT THAT IS TO SAY THAT WE HAVE, WE'RE, WE ARE ALSO WORKING CLOSELY WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS LIKE THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO ENSURE THAT THE WORK THAT WE DO AHEAD IS CONSISTENT WITH, UH, WHAT EVERYONE NEEDS AND HOPEFULLY MAKES IT EASIER. THE, UH, STATE, UM, THROUGH, UH, THE OFFICE OF PLANNING AND RESEARCH, UH, GUIDELINES HAS A LOT OF, UH, REQUIREMENTS AND WE TALK ABOUT THESE REQUIREMENTS IN THESE FOUR CATEGORIES LISTED HERE, HEALTH, RECREATION, OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE, AND OPEN SPACE RESOURCES. THESE ARE THE MAIN OVERARCHING, UM, POINTS THAT WE REALLY NEED TO ADDRESS TO MEET THE STATE REQUIREMENTS AS IT RELATES TO, FOR HEALTH ACCESS FOR HISTORICALLY UNDERSERVED COMMUNITIES, UM, ADDRESSING PUBLIC HEALTH SAFETY AND CLIMATE RESILIENCE FOR RECREATION, UM, PROGRAMMING AND PROGRAMMING AND, AND EVENTS, WHILE ALSO ADDRESSING OUTDOOR RECREATION FACILITIES, OPERATIONS OF THE MAINTENANCE. WE'LL BE THINKING ABOUT POLICIES FOR HOW WE OVERSEE OUR DAY TO DAY, BUT ALSO CONSIDER FINANCIAL RESILIENCE, AND OF COURSE, THOSE OPEN SPACE RESOURCES THAT WE DEFINED EARLIER IN THE PLANNING PROCESS. FOR THIS UPDATE, WE'LL BE LOOKING AT WAYS TO EXPAND AND IMPROVE PARK ACCESS, ENSURE ROBUST COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, MAKE OUR GREEN SPACES MORE CLIMATE READY, ENSURE CONSISTENCY WITH EXISTING PLANS, INCLUDING THE HOUSING AND LAND USE ELEMENTS. AND WE ALWAYS WANNA HIGHLIGHT THE HISTORY OF OUR URBAN FABRIC. TODAY, WE WANNA ADDRESS AND RECOGNIZE THAT, UM, ESPECIALLY IN OUR HISTORIC CONTEXT STATEMENT, UM, THE HISTORY OF REDLINING AND HOW THAT HAS AFFECT AFFECTED OUR URBAN FABRIC AND HOW WE'VE IN INVESTED IN MAYBE NOT SO, UH, EVENLY INVESTED IN CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOODS, UM, SUCH THAT, UH, TODAY WE HAVE AREAS EXPERIENCING POOR, UM, ACCESS AS WELL AS, UH, POOR AIR QUALITY. UH, IN TERMS OF COMMUNITY OUTREACH, WE ARE PRIORITIZING, UH, KEY AREAS, CENTRAL WEST AND NORTH LONG BEACH, WHICH HAVE BEEN HISTORICALLY PERSISTENTLY, UM, FEWER AND POOR QUALITY PARKS AND OPEN SPACE. AND THIS IS, THIS ALIGNS WITH THE, UM, OUR, UH, EJ, UM, EQUITY MAP, A LONG BEACH HEALTH EQUITY MAP, AS WELL AS SB 5 35 DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES. UH, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IS SOMETHING THAT WE, WE ARE WORKING TO REALLY ENSURE IS A, A CORE PART OF THIS PROJECT. UM, SO IN ORDER TO CONDUCT ROBUST COMMUNITY OUTREACH, WE REALLY WANNA THINK ABOUT HOW WE ENGAGE, EDUCATE, AND EMPOWER OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO HELP SHAPE THE ELEMENT UPDATE. UM, AND WE WANNA WORK CLOSELY WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO BUILD CAPACITY AND LEADERSHIP TO BE INVOLVED IN THE PARKS AND OPEN SPACE DECISION MAKING AND RESOURCE PRIORITIZATION, UM, CENTERING COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE BEEN TRADITIONALLY LEFT BEHIND IN THE INFORMATIONS WE SHARE, THE QUESTIONS WE ASK AND THE OUTCOMES WE ACHIEVE. SO HOW WE DO THAT, I'M GONNA OVER GO OVER THE KIND OF THE TIMELINE AND WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE US. UM, IN WINTER OF 2024, WE DID A, UH, A KICKOFF, ESSENTIALLY STARTING IT STRONG WITH AN INTER INTERDEPARTMENTAL TEAM TO REALLY ENSURE BUY-IN AND DESIGNATE TIME FOR US TO COME TOGETHER TO REALLY, UM, CONSISTENTLY DEVELOP, UH, THE GOALS AND THE WORK PROGRAM FOR THE NEXT YEAR. AND, UM, A COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT TIMELINE AND PLAN THAT, UM, REALLY CENTERS EQUITY AS A THROUGH LINE THROUGHOUT OUR WORK. UM, AND WE STARTED EXISTING CONDITIONS, TECHNICAL WORK TO REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HERE AND WHAT, HOW DO WE NEED TO RESPOND TO THE REGULATIONS TO PROPERLY INVENTORY OUR OPEN SPACE. IN SPRING, WE LAUNCHED A SURVEY FOR OPEN SPACE AND RECREATION, UM, THAT, UH, PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY, A DIGITAL OPPORTUNITY TO ACCESS AND PROVIDE INPUT ON WHAT IS YOUR EXPERIENCE IN THE CITY AND HOW DO WE ACCESS OPEN SPACES HERE. UM, AND THIS, UM, SURVEY ITSELF WILL BE A REALLY IMPORTANT PART OF HOW WE UNDERSTAND WHAT IS OUR COMMUNITY, UM, EXPERIENCING AND LIVING WITH TODAY, AND HOW DOES THAT COMPARE TO BENCHMARKING. UM, THE QUESTIONS OF THE SURVEY HAVE BEEN JUST USED ACROSS DIFFERENT CITIES SO WE CAN BENCHMARK THEM, WHICH, UH, UH, SERVES AS A GREAT POINT OF REALLY UNDERSTANDING AND COMPARING AND SEEING HOW WE CAN IMPROVE. WE ALL HAVE ALSO DEVELOPED A RESIDENT LEADERSHIP TEAM, WHICH IS A REALLY EXCITING OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE, UM, TOOLS TO, UH, RESIDENTS IN OUR CITY WHO APPLY. THE PROCESS TO APPLY IS, IS ONLINE, AND THE IDEA IS TO EMPOWER THOSE WHO, UH, WANT TO PARTAKE IN THE, UH, PROCESS ITSELF TO GIVE FEEDBACK ON THE OPEN SPACE ELEMENT, BUT ALSO TO REALLY LEARN ABOUT WHAT IS THE PROCESS ITSELF FROM HOW DOES THE OPEN SPACE REC RECREATION ELEMENT AFFECT THE PERMITTING ENTITLEMENT PROCESS AND HOW, UM, OUR RESIDENTS CAN BE PARK ADVOCATES. UM, SO NOW TO, WE ARE AT THE COMMISSION STUDY SESSIONS, OBVIOUSLY. UM, WE HAVE LAUNCHED THE RESIDENT, UH, LEADERSHIP TEAM, AND WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE DOING THAT TECHNICAL WORK. I WANNA NOTE THAT THAT SURVEY CLOSES ON AUGUST 15TH. UM, UPON THEN WE WILL START DOING [01:40:01] THE SURVEY ANALYSIS. UM, THAT SURVEY, UH, THE RESULTS OF THAT SURVEY WILL LARGELY INFORM FUTURE WORKSHOPS. WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE HEAR COMMUNITIES VALUE AND TALK ABOUT CERTAIN ITEMS, UM, IN THE COMMUNITY, WE CAN THEN BUILD UPON, UH, WORKSHOP CURRICULUM, UM, TO ENSURE THAT WHEN WE DEVELOP POLICY AND GOALS, THAT REALLY BUILDS ON WHAT, UM, THE EXPERIENCES OF, UH, COMMUNITY RESIDENTS TODAY. UM, IN THE WINTER OF 2025, WE AIM TO BEGIN, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW AND HAVE A DRAFT, UH, ELEMENT FOR YOU WHILE ALSO COMMUNITY CONTINUING COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ON THAT DRAFT ELEMENT, UM, TO DO, UH, EARLY, UH, SUMMER, UM, ADOPTION FOR THAT ELEMENT. SO HERE'S THE QR CODE FOR THAT SURVEY. THE SURVEY AGAIN CLOSES AUGUST 15TH. WE REGULARLY UPDATE OUR PROJECT WEBSITE WITH, UM, INFORMATION ON HOW YOU CAN STAY INVOLVED. UM, AND I WANNA, UH, REALLY HIGHLIGHT THAT, UH, RESIDENT LEADERSHIP TEAM APPLICATION IS NOW AVAILABLE. AND IF YOU WANNA RECEIVE REGULAR UPDATES, THIS IS SOMETHING OUR STAFF, UM, WE OVERSEE THAT EMAIL LIST PERSONALLY, THERE'S NO, YOU KNOW, UH, AUTOMATIC, UH, EMAILING INVOLVED. WE WILL EMAIL YOU REGULAR UPDATES. UM, AND FOR ANY COMMENTS AND INQUIRIES WE'VE RECEIVED, UM, JUST GENERAL INQUIRIES FROM OUR CD OPEN SPACE@LONGBEACH.GOV EMAIL. UM, SO, UH, THAT'S, THIS CONCLUDES SAAS PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, COMMISSIONERS A VERY THOUGHTFUL PLAN. IT ADDRESSES EVERYTHING THAT I WOULD CONSIDER AND, UH, VERY IMPORTANT, UH, ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. SO I'M IN. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER LE, COMMISSIONER SUAREZ? NO. OH, THANK COMMISSIONER CLEMSON. COMMISSIONER CASTILLO. THANK YOU. UM, THANK YOU FOR, FOR, UH, SHARING THIS INFORMATION WITH US. UM, AS IT RELATES TO THE, THIS PORTION OF THE STUDY WILL BE KIND OF EXPANDING ON THE INVENTORY. UM, WHAT ABOUT, UM, BEYOND THAT IN TERMS OF HOW WE FUND AND OR GET TO ACQUIRE THOSE OPEN SPACES WHERE THEY'RE EITHER HAVE A DIFFERENT PURPOSE, THERE'S A, UH, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT OWNERSHIP STRUCTURES, WHATEVER THAT MAY BE, BUT OFTENTIMES WE RUN INTO FINDING THE MONEY TO, UH, ACQUIRE, UH, LARGE PIECES OF LAND IF, IF IT'S POSSIBLE, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT ARE ADJOINING OPEN SPACES TO EXPAND IT, ET CETERA, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE RAN INTO A COUPLE MEETINGS AGO. SO CURIOUS. YEAH, SO THIS, UM, PLAN PROVIDES US THAT POLICY FRAMEWORK OF HOW WE SHOULD APPROACH THESE QUESTIONS. UM, OBVIOUSLY ACQUIRING AND DEVELOPING NEW PARK SPACE IN A BUILT OUT CITY WITH VERY EXPENSIVE LAND IS A HUGE CHALLENGE. SO, UH, WE DID TALK ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT LAST MONTH IN THE CONTEXT OF A HEARING, UM, WHERE WE LOOKED AT, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, ON AN ONGOING BASIS IS LOOKING AT WHAT FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE AND WHAT FUNDS COULD BE AVAILABLE FOR THE ACQUISITION AND DEVELOPMENT OF PARKS BASED. UM, SO HOW THAT ALIGNS WITH THIS DOCUMENT IS GIVING US THAT GUIDANCE OF WHAT PRIORITIES SHOULD WE BE, UM, USING AND UNDER WHAT POLICY SHOULD WE CONSIDER DIFFERENT ACQUISITION. UM, THE LAST TIME THE CITY COUNCIL LOOKED AT OUR PARK IMPACT FEES, WHICH IS A PRIMARY, UM, YOU KNOW, FUNDING MECHANISM WE HAVE FOR PARK SPACE. UM, THE, UH, FEE, THE, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY AVAILABLE WAS, I BELIEVE, $11 MILLION, BUT THEY HAD A MUCH LONGER PROJECT LIST THAN THAT. AND SO IT IS AN ISSUE OF, OF RESOURCES. UM, BUT SOMETIMES WHEN A DEVELOPMENT PROJECT COMES FORWARD, IT MAY BE LARGE ENOUGH TO REQUIRE, UM, OFFSITE MITIGATION THROUGH, UM, DEVELOPMENT OF PARK SPACE OR TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF PARK SPACE, PERHAPS FOR EXAMPLE, THROUGH A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OR SOME OF OUR PUDS OR PLANNED USE DEVELOPMENTS, UM, SUCH AS, UM, THE RIVER PARK DEVELOPMENT A FEW YEARS AGO, UH, WILL REQUIRE THAT YOU HEARD ABOUT DAVENPORT PARK AS A CASE STUDY HERE. SO THAT IS A FORMER LANDFILL SITE THAT THE REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY PURCHASED BACK IN 2001. AND OVER TIME, THE CITY DEVELOPED IT AS NEW PARK SPACE IN A PARK POOR AREA. UM, AND SO, UM, THE 2001, OR SORRY, 2002 OPEN SPACE ELEMENT, WHICH IS WHAT'S IN PLACE TODAY, UH, THINKS ABOUT PARK ACCESS FROM LIKE AN ACRES PER THOUSAND PERSPECTIVE. AND SO IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD HAVE AT LEAST SIX ACRES FOR EVERY THOUSAND RESIDENTS. AND THAT IS ONE WAY TO THINK ABOUT IT. BUT OF COURSE, IF YOU ARE IN AN AREA OF THE CITY WHERE THERE'S MAYBE 24 ACRES PER THOUSAND, WHICH SOME PARTS OF OUR CITY HAVE, VERSUS PARTS OF CENTRAL LONG BEACH WHERE IT MIGHT BE A QUARTER OF AN ACRE PER THOUSAND, UM, WE, WE AREN'T GONNA BE ABLE TO MAGICALLY CREATE HUGE NEW AMOUNTS OF PARK SPACE. SO THERE'S KIND OF TWO WAYS TO THINK ABOUT IT. ONE IS, UM, WHAT OTHER TYPES OF SMALL PARK SPACE CAN WE CONTINUE TO DEVELOP, PARTICULARLY IN OUR MOST PARK POOR COMMUNITIES, UM, OR PLACES WITH THE LEAST AMOUNT OF ACCESS. SO FOR EXAMPLE, IN OUR MIDTOWN SPECIFIC PLAN, UM, WE REQUIRE THE [01:45:01] DEVELOPMENT OF STREET LITS WHERE WE CLOSE THE END OF STREETS, UM, THAT END AT LONG BEACH BOULEVARD TO CREATE SMALL PARK SPACES THERE, OR TO THINK ABOUT AS WE CITE LOCATIONS FOR NEW HOUSING, HOW DO WE CITE THEM NEAR PLACES WITH A LOT OF ACCESS TO PARK SPACE BECAUSE, UM, IN, IN A LOT OF WAYS THAT'S MORE AFFORDABLE THAN TRYING TO MAGICALLY COME UP WITH LAND THAT CAN BE THEN CREATED, UM, AS PARK SPACE. SO IT, IT, IT IS A BOTH AND, AND IT DEPENDS ON THE CONTEXT, BUT, UM, THE POINT OF THIS ELEMENT IS TO HELP GUIDE THAT THINKING FOR ANY FUTURE PROJECTS SO THAT WE CAN APPLY THOSE POLICIES AND CONDITIONS TO THINKING ABOUT IT. UM, I MENTIONED THE EXISTING ELEMENT TALKS ABOUT THAT PARK ACREAGE PER THOUSAND, BUT THE PARK STRATEGIC PLAN THAT, THAT THE PARKS DEPARTMENT WORKED ON FOR YEARS AND DID A LOT OF OUTREACH ON, THINKS ABOUT IT MORE FROM HOW DO WE HAVE A SHORT WALK FOR ANYONE THAT WANTS TO GET TO A PARK SPACE. SO INSTEAD OF JUST THINKING ABOUT THE ACREAGE, THINKING ABOUT CAN YOU GET TO A PARK WITHIN A 10 OR 15 MINUTE WALK OF YOUR HOME? UM, AND THEN OF COURSE SOME OF THAT RELATES TO PERCEPTION. UM, IS THE WALK SAFE? IS IT ACCESSIBLE? UM, ARE THE SIDEWALKS IN GOOD ENOUGH SHAPE TO BE ABLE TO GET THERE IS A TREE LINE BECAUSE AS EXTREME HEAT WORSENS, UM, THAT EXPERIENCE CAN CAN DIFFER. SO THERE ARE A LOT OF COMPONENTS, UH, TO CONSIDER. AND AGAIN, THIS IS NOT AN OPERATIONAL PLAN, BUT CERTAINLY OTHER CITIES AS THEY UPDATE THEIR OPEN SPACE ELEMENT HAVE DECIDED TO CHANGE HOW THEY RESOURCE DEVELOPMENT OF PARK SPACE AND PERHAPS DO A BOND, FOR EXAMPLE. SO THOSE TYPES OF THINGS CAN BE LOOKED AT HIGH LEVEL AS WELL. UM, WHAT ABOUT, UM, ALSO FROM A DEMOGRAPHIC PERSPECTIVE, I, I THINK, UH, L-B-U-S-D IS IN A PROCESS OF KIND OF REEVALUATING ALL THEIR ASSETS AND, AND, AND DISPOSING OF THAT IS THAT, IS THERE INTEGRATION OR COORDINATION WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AS THEY OWN A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF LAND IN THE CITY THAT AT SOME POINT WILL PROBABLY BE BECOME AVAILABLE? UM, IS AND AND A SECOND PART OF THAT. UH, WHAT ABOUT THE USES OR SERVICES PROVIDED IN THOSE PARKS E EITHER EXISTING PARK SPACES OR FUTURE PARK SPACES? 'CAUSE SO THIS IS NOT PROBABLY RELEVANT ON THE, ON THE EXISTING THING MAY EXACERBATE THE ISSUE A LITTLE MORE, BUT, UH, I'M THINKING LIKE EL DORADO PARK FOR EXAMPLE. THERE'S LAR LARGE SWATS OF LAND THERE, BUT, AND THERE WAS I THINK MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO, THERE WAS A MOMENTUM TO EXPAND SERVICES THERE. AND EVEN I THINK EVEN LOOK AT ALCOHOL SERVICES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, JUST THAT, THAT I THINK FELL BY THE WAYSIDE OR SOMETHING HAPPENED, BUT I DON'T RECALL. BUT, UH, IS IT ALSO GONNA BE LOOKING AT BEST USE OF THE EXISTING SPACE AS WELL? YEAH, SO IT CAN, UM, HAVE SOME OF THAT THINKING. ONE EXAMPLE, YOU MENTIONED ALCOHOL. UM, THIS COMMISSION HAS OVERSEEN THE PERMITTING OF, UM, NEW CONCESSIONAIRES ON THE BEACH. SO BEACHES ARE ONE OF OUR BIGGEST OPEN SPACES. AND SO IT'S NOT JUST PARKS, IT'S PARKS AND OPEN SPACES AND ACTUALLY BEACHES ARE CONSIDERED A PUBLIC PARK. UM, AND, AND WE DID GO THROUGH A PROCESS TO ALLOW, UM, CS FOR ALCOHOL SERVING, UM, AT A COUPLE OF THE LOCATIONS ON THE PUBLIC BEACH. AND THAT WAS A CONSIDERATION BETWEEN HOW DO WE INCREASE ACCESS AND, UM, ACTIVATION AND USE OF THOSE SPACES. SO I'M WANTING IT TO BE AVAILABLE FOR RECREATION, BUT ALSO FOR GATHERING SPACES AND OTHER USES. SO THERE'LL BE SOME OF THAT. THE WAY I WOULD SAY TO THINK ABOUT IT IS THIS IS THE LAND USE PLAN. SO THE OPERATIONS DO FALL MORE IN THE, UM, PARKS, UH, REC AND MARINE STRATEGIC PLAN, BUT THEY ALSO INTERRELATE BECAUSE LAND USE CONSIDERATIONS LIKE, WOULD A USE LIKE ALCOHOL BE ALLOWED INTERRELATE WITH HOW THINGS OPERATE, HOW YOU ACTIVATE SPACES, UM, AND HOW THEY INTEGRATE WITH THE REST, UM, OF THE COMMUNITY. SO, UM, THAT MAY BE ONE WAY TO, TO HELP THINK ABOUT IT. UM, AND THEN YOUR OTHER POINT ABOUT SORT OF, UM, EXISTING USES, I THINK, UM, IS AN IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION AS WELL, AGAIN, IN SUCH AN OLDER AND AND BUILT OUT CITY, A LOT OF IT IS THE EXISTING CONTEXT, WHAT'S ALREADY THERE AND, AND HOW CAN WE WORK TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, MINOR IMPROVEMENTS IN ACCESS AND EXPANSION, UM, WHILE WE MAKE BIGGER CHANGES OVER TIME. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER. WHERE, UM, COMMISSIONER CLEMSON, UM, I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF TOUCH ON SOMETHING THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF ACCESSIBILITY OF THE PARKS. SOMETHING THAT, UH, UH, NEEDS TO BE, I THINK THOUGHT ABOUT, UM, IS, IS THE PARK OPEN SPACE, IS IT WORTH GOING TO AND CAN IT BE GONE TO WITHOUT, LET'S SAY A GOLF RESERVATION? UM, AND THINKING ABOUT MY TWO CLOSEST OPEN SPACES, UM, BESIDES THE MIDDLE OF THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE, UM, IS PLAZA RIA, WHICH IS A MEDIAN , NOTHING THERE EXCEPT FOR TRAFFIC AND REC PARK GOLF COURSE, WHICH OF COURSE YOU NEED A RESERVATION AND A, AND GOLF CLUBS TO GO TO. AND YOU LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE PARK SCORE. AND I'VE TRIED TO EXPLAIN THIS TO THEM [01:50:01] THAT THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, NO, IT'S, IT'S THERE AND YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T GO THROUGH ALL THIS STUFF. IT'S LIKE, WELL COOL, REC PARK GOLF COURSE DIDN'T DO ME ANY GOOD. YOU KNOW, I'M NOT WALKING DOWN THERE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, GO PLAY ON THE SWINGS AND, YOU KNOW, WRONG KIND OF SWINGS, I GUESS RIDE THE CARTS AROUND, BUT, UH, RIDE THE CARTS AROUND. UM, SO JUST WHEN WE TALK, THINK ABOUT THESE THINGS, UM, JUST IN TERMS OF, OF I GUESS ACTIVATION OR AREA COM COMFORT OF THE AREA BEYOND JUST BEYOND JUST GETTING THERE, WHICH I THINK IS A VERY IMPORTANT IDEA, BUT, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, FIGURE OUT SOMETHING TO DO WITH PLAZA RIA, I GUESS, YOU KNOW. THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER, I APOLOGIZE IF I DIDN'T QUITE CAPTURE IT FROM THE PRESENTATION, BUT CAN YOU SHARE HOW THIS BODY IS INVOLVED IN THE IF AND WHEN OF INVOLVED WITH THE ADOPTION OR POST ADOPTION, UM, REVIEWS OR, OR IMPLEMENTATION? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. SO, UM, SO THIS BODY DOES, UM, PLAY A, A REQUIRED ROLE IN ADOPTING THE PLAN ITSELF IN THE OPEN SPACE ELEMENT. UM, BUT IT'S AN ELEMENT OR CHAPTER OF THE GENERAL PLAN. SO ALSO THOSE POLICIES ARE THEN PART OF OUR ANALYSIS FOR MAKING, UM, LEGAL FINDINGS FOR ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. SO NOT EVERY DEVELOPMENT MAY HAVE A DIRECT RELATION TO THE OPEN SPACE ELEMENT, BUT FOR EXAMPLE, UM, UH, IF THERE'S A PROJECT, LIKE ONE OF THE EXAMPLES IN THE, IN THE SLIDE WAS ACTUALLY THE SKY LINKS PROJECT WE LOOKED AT LAST WEEK WHERE IT'S AN EXISTING OPEN SPACE, BUT IMPROVEMENTS WERE PROPOSED AND ONE OF THE THINGS STAFF REQUIRED WAS ENHANCED PUBLIC ACCESS THROUGH PEDESTRIAN ROUTES SO THAT IT COULD BE MORE PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE, WHICH I THINK ALSO SPEAKS TO COMMISSIONER CLEMSON'S POINT ABOUT NOT ALL OPEN SPACES, YOU KNOW, ARE USED EQUALLY. UM, AND COMMISSIONER CASTILLO EARLIER MENTIONED LONG BEACH UNIFIED, AND, UM, THERE ARE VARIOUS STUDIES IN A LOT OF, UM, AREAS THAT LACK SUFFICIENT ACCESS TO PARK SPACE, THAT IF YOU'VE OPENED UP SCHOOL CAMPUSES TO SHARED USE AND NON-OPERATING HOURS, YOU COULD ACTUALLY ACHIEVE, UM, PRETTY CLOSE TO PARK EQUITY BY DOING THAT. FOR EXAMPLE, IN SOUTH LA THERE'S A STUDY ON THAT. UM, AND SO THINKING ABOUT THOSE CREATIVE, UM, SHARING OF OPEN SPACES OR USES COULD BE THOUGHT OF OR COME OR, OR, UM, AS COMMISSIONER, UM, CASTILLO MENTIONED EVEN WHEN, UM, THOSE CAMPUSES CHANGE USE OVER TIME, HOW COULD THEY HELP US MEET OUR OPEN SPACE GOALS? SO THIS, THIS COMMISSION PLAYS A ROLE ON PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS WHEN THEY MAY NEED TO CONTRIBUTE TO OPEN SPACE. UM, ON, UM, IF YOU REMEMBER, UH, OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS, WE'VE DONE A FEW PARK DEDICATIONS WHERE WE'VE CHANGED THE ZONING AND LAND USE TO ENSURE THAT THEY ARE PARKS IN PERPETUITY. UM, AND THEN PARK PROJECTS THEMSELVES MAY SOMETIMES COME BEFORE THIS BODY, UM, DEPENDING ON HOW, HOW BIG THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE THAT ARE PROPOSED, THEY MAY NEED A SITE PLAN REVIEW, UH, WHICH FALLS UNDER, UH, PLANNING'S JURISDICTION WHERE WE DO THAT ANALYSIS AND THEN DO THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW UNDER CQA, WHICH IS WHY THAT SKY LINK'S PROJECT WAS HERE LAST WEEK. SO IT COULD BE FOR A PARKS PROJECT ITSELF, IT COULD BE HOW A PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT RELATES TO THE ENHANCEMENT AND MAINTENANCE OF OPEN SPACE. UH, AND IT COULD BE ON THE POLICY SIDE AS WE THINK ABOUT LAND USES AND THEIR TRADE-OFFS. UM, I DID NOTE THAT WE WERE SENT TWO LETTERS. UM, SO I'D JUST LIKE TO MAKE NOTE. I HOPE, HOPE EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO READ 'EM. IT WOULD'VE BEEN ONE, ONE IS ACTUALLY, UH, AN OPINION THAT WAS, UH, PUT TOGETHER, IT LOOKS LIKE IN SEPTEMBER OF 2021. AND THEN THE OTHER, UM, ADDRESSES SOME, SOME MORE CURRENT ISSUES. SO THANK YOU. UM, ALL WE'RE DONE AT THIS TIME. IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD? THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANYBODY VIRTUALLY THAT HAS COMMENTS? WE DO NOT HAVE ANY VIRTUAL ATTENDEES. WE DO NOT HAVE ANY VIRTUAL ATTENDEES. OH, THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS, COMMISSIONERS? IF NOT, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK FOR THE VOTE, PLEASE. MOTION IS CARRIED. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR AN EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT PRESENTATION AND EXPLANATIONS AS WE WENT THROUGH. UM, AT THIS TIME, UH, I'M GOING TO MOVE OVER TO, WE'VE FINISHED OUR AGENDAS, UH, WE'RE DOING ELECTIONS THIS EVENING, AND AS, UH, VICE CHAIR, I HAVE THE HONOR OF, UH, CONDUCTING THE ELECTION. SO I WILL, UH, SET [01:55:01] THE, UH, PROCESS HERE TONIGHT. WE ARE GOING TO, UM, ELECT A, EXCUSE ME, A CHAIR AND A VICE CHAIR, A CHAIR ELECT, AND A VICE CHAIR ELECT, WHOSE TERMS WILL BEGIN AT THE NEXT MEETING. SO ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE I BEGIN? YOU'RE ALL ELIGIBLE AND I HOPE Y'ALL STEP UP. SO YOU MAY, UM, I HAVE TO DO THIS THERE. OPEN NOMINATIONS. I DECLARE THE NOMINATIONS OPEN FOR THE CHAIR OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. EACH MEMBER MAY NOMINATE ONE PERSON FOR CHAIR, INCLUDING YOURSELF. THESE, THESE NOMINATIONS DO NOT REQUIRE A SECOND. SO I AM OPEN FOR NOMINATIONS. I NOMINATE FOR CHAIR COMMISSIONER CASTILLO. I HAVE COMMISSIONER CASTILLO NOMINATED. CAN YOU USE YOUR MICROPHONE FOR ME? OH, I'M SORRY. I NOMINATE FOR CHAIR. COMMISSIONER CASTILLO. DO YOU ACCEPT COMMISSIONER CASTILLO? UH, YES. I GRACIOUSLY ACCEPT. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS FOR CHAIR? ARE THERE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS FOR CHAIR? ONE MORE TIME. ARE THERE ANY MORE NOMINATIONS FOR CHAIR? THERE? BEING NO FURTHER NOMINATIONS. I DECLARE THE NOMINATIONS CLOSED FOR CHAIR. UM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK WHILE YOU WOULD BE LIKE TO BE ELECTED CHAIR? UH, WELL FIRST IT'D BE A GREAT HONOR AND, UM, I WOULD CERTAINLY RELISH THE OPPORTUNITY TO LEAD THIS FINE GROUP OF, OF CITIZENS. UM, I, UH, HAVE LEARNED A LOT IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS ON THE COMMISSION, UH, AND HOPE TO JUST CONTINUE THE, THE LEGACY OF FINE WORK AND SUPPORTING THE STAFF, UH, AND THE CITY. SO, UH, IT WOULD BE A GREAT HONOR. THANK YOU. UM, I'VE GOT A THING ON MY COMPUTER THAT SAYS WHAT I'D LIKE TO SECOND THIS MOTION, BUT I BELIEVE WE DON'T NEED A SECOND. NO SECOND REQUIRED. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO CALL FOR THE VOTE AND ACTUALLY I THINK BECAUSE WE HAVE ONE NOMINEE, I THINK WE CAN ALL ACC CLAIM WE'RE STILL, WE'RE STILL GONNA VOTE ON THAT IF, YEAH, WE'RE STILL GONNA VOTE ON THAT AND WE'LL HAVE OUR, OUR CLERK CALL THAT VOTE. WE WILL, WE WILL NOW VOTE THEN. THANK YOU. WE ARE VOTING FOR, UM, COMMISSIONER CASTILLO AS CHAIR. MR ONE VOTED NO, THAT WOULD BE SO FINE. THE NOMINATION HAS CARRIED. CONGRATULATIONS. COMMISSIONER CASTILLO, YOU ARE NOW THE CHAIR OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THANK YOU. SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO VICE CHAIR. I GOTTA TURN THE PAGE. I NOW DECLARE THE NOMINATIONS OPEN FOR VOS CHAIR OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. EACH MEMBER MAY NOMINATE ONE PERSON FOR VOSS CHAIR, INCLUDING YOURSELF. THESE NOMINATIONS DO NOT REQUIRE A SECOND. I'M CALLING FOR NOMINATIONS. I DOMINATE, UH, VICE CURRENT VICE CHAIR AT TEMPLATE. I NOMINATE MYSELF. I I AM RESPECTFULLY STEPPING BACK AND THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT. BUT I, I REALLY AM GLAD TO SEE YOUNGER PEOPLE COMING IN. WE HAVE GREAT STAFF HELPING, SO I'LL BE HERE CHERYL FOR A LITTLE BIT, BUT, UM, SO WE HAVE ARE YOU ACCEPTING SIR? SORRY, I'M NOT WAITING MYSELF. YEAH, SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE COMMISSIONER WARE AS A NOMINEE. OH, DID YOU NOMINATE MICHAEL? I THOUGHT YOU SAID MICHAEL. MR. MYSELF. . THAT'S WONDERFUL. WE HAVE COMMISSIONER WARE NOMINATED. I'M GONNA NOMINATE MYSELF. COMMISSIONER CLEMSON THANK YOU. IS NOMINATED. ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? THREE TIMES. ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? WE HAVE TWO NOMINATIONS. UM, COMMISSIONER WARE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK FIRST, PLEASE? UM, SURE. UH, VICE CHAIR TEMPLAN ASKED ME LAST YEAR TO [02:00:01] CONSIDER IT. I TOLD HER NO, UM, GIVE ME ANOTHER YEAR TO LEARN MORE, UM, TO BE ABLE TO ADJUST MY SCHEDULE TO BE HERE REGULARLY. AND NOW THAT I'VE DONE THAT, SHE ASKED ME AGAIN AND I SAID, ABSOLUTELY I LOVE TO SERVE. AND TO BACK UP, UH, COMMISSIONER CASTILLO AS WELL. YES. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CLEMSON, WOULD YOU SPEAK PLEASE? THANK YOU. UM, I THINK THAT THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT COMMISSION. UM, IT'S ALWAYS A REALLY INTERESTING WHAT GETS, UH, BROUGHT BEFORE US AND HAS A HUGE IMPACT ON THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE CITY. UH, WE HAVE SEVERAL VERY, VERY HIGH PROFILE, UM, ISSUES THAT WE'RE FACING AND I WOULD LIKE TO BE, UH, HAVE MORE RESPONSIBILITY IN TERMS OF, UH, HELPING TO LEAD THE CITY. THANK YOU. SO I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE VOTE FOR EACH NOMINEE. UH, SO WE'RE GONNA START WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER WARE FOR VICE CHAIR. THE VOTE IS NOW OPEN, THAT WORKING AND IT CAN THE CLERK'S OFFICE CLARIFY, WILL IT BE THE FIRST TO GO OVER A MAJORITY OR WILL YOU BE TAKING THE MOST NUMBER OF VOTES? I BELIEVE I, I'M NOT, WE'VE NEVER HAD THIS SITUATION, AT LEAST FOR MINE, UM, MEETING, SO, UM, I BELIEVE IT WOULD BE MAJORITY. WELL, I THINK, THINK WHAT, WHAT I THINK WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE IS TO TAKE, UM, WHATEVER PERSON RECEIVES THE MOST NUMBER QUANTITATIVELY OF, OF VOTES. UM, SO IF WE CAN DO, DO BOTH VOTES AND JUST DO 'EM AS A, A VOICE VOTE. OH, OKAY. SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND DO A ROLL CALL, VOTE FOR COMMISSIONER WARE AT THIS TIME. SO YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND DISAGREE. GUARD WHAT'S, I THINK WHAT IT SHOULD BE IS ONE VOTE EACH. LIKE EVERYBODY GETS ONE VOTE AND THEY ALLOCATE IT TO ONE OF THE CANDIDATES. GOT YOU. YEP. SORRY, IT'S TAKING ME A MINUTE TO PROCESS THAT. IT'S, OUR VOTING SYSTEM IS NOT SET UP FOR ELECTIONS. IT TURNS OUT , IT'S GREAT FOR, FOR ITEMS AND MOTIONS, BUT LESS GREAT FOR ELECTIONS. OKAY. SO, UM, I'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL EACH MEMBER THANK YOU. AND YOU'LL GO AHEAD AND STATE WHO YOUR VOTE IS FOR. OKAY. UH, COMMISSIONER CASTILLO. UH, COMMISSIONER WHERE? COMMISSIONER CLEMSON. CLEMSON. COMMISSIONER ES COMMISSIONER WARE. COMMISSIONER SUAREZ. COMMISSIONER WARE COMMISSIONER WHERE? COMMISSIONER WHERE? VICE CHAIR TEMPLIN. COMMISSIONER WARE. I ANSWER FIRST, CONGRATULATIONS COMMISSIONER WARE. YOU ARE NOW THE VICE CHAIR OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THANK YOU BOTH FOR STEPPING UP. UH, IT'S REALLY APPRECIATE, IT'S HARD TO CHOOSE. I DID ASK YOU FOR IT, , BUT, UM, I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A GOOD MEETING NEXT MONTH, , AND I KNOW YOU'LL BOTH BE PLEASED WITH HOW WELL THE STAFF PREPARES YOU. SO THAT'S GOING TO BE GREAT COUNTED ON IT. SO I'M GOING TO, UH, MOVE BACK INTO THE REGULAR BUSINESS. I HAD TO PUT MY GLASSES BACK ON. I'M MOVING FAST. I'M MOVING FAST MICHAEL. AND I WANNA THANK EVERYBODY HERE FOR HELPING AND PARTICIPATING, SUPPORTING. OKAY. AT THIS TIME WE WILL TAKE NON AGENDA, PUBLIC COMMENT. DO WE HAVE ANYBODY VIRTUALLY? WE DO NOT HAVE ANYONE JOINING VIRTUALLY. THANK YOU. UH, IS THERE ANY [ANNOUNCEMENTS] ANNOUNCEMENTS OR, UH, COMMENTS WANT TO BE MADE BY THE COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER CLEMSON? SO I HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS. UM, FIRST OFF, UH, I NOTICED THAT THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL FAIRLY HIGH PROFILE, UH, UH, STORE CLOSINGS, UH, THE RITEAID, THERE'S ONE OVER THERE AT THE, UH, ANAHEIM AND REDONDO SHOPPING CENTER. YES. AND THERE'S ONE NOW AT THE, UH, CHERRY AND, UH, BROADWAY. YES. UM, THESE ARE LARGE, UH, BUILDINGS THAT ARE HARD TO FILL. AND I'VE ALSO READ SOME STUFF HAVING TO DO WITH, UM, NEW YORK CITY HAVING TROUBLE FILLING THESE BECAUSE THE, UH, STORE SIGNED A LEASE AT [02:05:01] A HIGHER RATE THAN THEY CAN NOW CURRENTLY GET. AND, UH, THAT THE LANDLORDS HAVE NO INCENTIVE TO DO ANYTHING WITH THESE BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE WORSE OFF. UM, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THAT HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. I MEAN, WE SAW HOW IT TOOK LIKE 15 YEARS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO WITH THE WALMART DOWNTOWN HERE. UM, AND UH, I WOULD HATE TO HAVE THAT HAPPEN, ESPECIALLY AT LIKE CORE COMMUNITY AREAS LIKE THE ONE AT AT, UM, TERRY IN, IN BROADWAY. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE'RE AWARE THAT WOULD CAUSE THIS TO HAPPEN HERE, I GUESS? AND IS THERE, UM, ANYTHING THE CITY CAN KIND OF DO ABOUT THIS? THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CLEMSON. SO YEAH, STAFF ARE AWARE OF THESE, UM, RECENT CLOSURES AND WE'D BE BRAD GLAD TO BRING BACK A STUDY SESSION SO WE CAN HAVE MORE OF A BACK AND FORTH, UM, ON THIS IN THE NEAR FUTURE. I WILL NOTE THAT THE SITE, UM, YOU MENTIONED THAT ANAHEIM WAS RECENTLY REZONED, SO THERE IS OPPORTUNITY NOW FOR A MIX OF USES INCLUDING HOUSING ON THAT SITE. AND WE ARE, UM, LOOKING CLOSELY AT THE OTHER SITE AS WELL. BUT GLAD TO COME BACK FOR A MORE DETAILED STUDY SESSION ON THIS IMPORTANT TOPIC. UM, BOTH ON THOSE SPECIFIC LOCATIONS AND MORE BROADLY ISSUES AROUND, UM, VACANT STOREFRONTS. THANK YOU. UM, THE OTHER ONE, UH, I WANTED TO BRING UP IS THE, I NOTICED I SAW THE, AN ARTICLE ABOUT THE FOUNTAIN STREET, FOUNTAIN WORLEY, UH, HOUSING PROJECT GOT SETTLED. UH, AND IT HAD TO DO WITH, UM, OPENING UP ACCESS ONTO ANAHEIM AND SOME REDESIGNS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. UH, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT ONE, THE PRECEDENT THAT THIS CONTINUES, UH, JUST IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO FILE WHAT I CONSIDERED TO BE A VERY CLEARLY UNFOUNDED LAWSUIT, UH, AND GET CONCESSIONS OUT. UM, BUT THIS CAUSED WHAT, LIKE A YEAR'S DELAY ON THIS. UM, HOW MANY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN TERMS OF ADDITIONAL PROPERTY ACQUISITION. PROBABLY TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON CONSTRUCTION COST, UH, ESCALATIONS AND A YEAR'S WORTH OF PEOPLE NOT HAVING HOMES IN THE CITY. UM, I WOULD LIKE AT LEAST SOME, SOME INDICATION ON, ON KIND OF THE SCALE OF THE COSTS OF THIS, JUST SO THAT WE HAVE THAT SORT OF IN THE PUBLIC RECORD OF THIS IS A, SOMETHING, THIS IS A DRAWBACK OF THESE KINDS OF PROTRACTED, UH, UH, UH, LAWSUITS. UH, RATHER THAN JUST SORT OF THE, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS ANOTHER IMPROVEMENT SORT OF IDEA, UH, THAT THERE ARE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS AS OPPOSED TO JUST, YOU KNOW, MORE BACK AND FORTH AND, YOU KNOW, EVERY GUY ON GOT LISTENED TO AND THAT THOSE THINGS HAVE DRAWBACKS IN ADDITION TO WHATEVER THE BENEFITS ARE. YEAH. THANK YOU FOR POINTING THIS OUT AND, AND WE'RE GLAD TO COME BACK FOR KIND OF A MORE DETAILED, UM, DISCUSSION. UH, I THINK YOU'RE, UM, MENTIONING A RECENT ARTICLE RELATED TO THE, UM, SETTLEMENT ON THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT AT FOUNTAIN AND WORLEY. AND YES, OVER, OVER A YEAR DELAY OF COURSE DOES LEAD TO COST AND TIME, ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION COSTS, UM, THE LACK OF THOSE UNITS FOR THOSE, UM, 73 FAMILIES WHO NEED IT, UM, AS WELL AS THE ESCALATION AND, AND COST NOW, UM, BOTH OF CARRYING THE LAND AND AND CONSTRUCTION. UM, SO WHAT, I'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT THE DETAILS OF THE SETTLEMENT TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT IN A STUDY SESSION TYPE OF SETTING, BUT HAPPY TO, TO TALK ABOUT THAT MORE. UM, AND WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO AGAIN, UM, USING THE NEW, UM, UH, STATUTORY EXEMPTIONS UNDER CQA TO WHERE WE CAN, UM, STREAMLINE PROCESSES AND, AND REDUCE POTENTIAL FOR LITIGATION. ALRIGHT. AND THEN ONE MORE. SO THIS IS THE LAST ONE HERE. UM, I KNOW THAT METRO HAS BEEN, I THINK THEY, THEY'VE BEEN PURSUING A FREEWAY FIRST INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN, UM, INCLUDING WIDENING AND PLAYING A WEIRD BAIT AND SWITCH GAME WITH THE 91 FREEWAY UP NORTH, UH, IN, IN NORTH LONG BEACH. UM, AND THEY'RE GOING FORWARD WITH ANOTHER SIMILAR, UH, FREEWAY EXPANSION IN, UH, CARSON. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO GET METRO STAFFED DOWN HERE TO EXPLAIN HOW THEY'RE GONNA SQUARE THE CIRCLE OF EXPANDING OUT FREEWAYS. UH, PUTTING THE RESPONSIBILITY OF EMISSION REDUCTIONS ON A CONGESTION PLAN THAT THEY HAVE NO CONTROL OVER IMPLEMENTING WHILE, UM, EXPECTING, YOU KNOW, TO SEE EMISSION REDUCTIONS. UM, I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE IN A, AS A CITY HAVE PINNED A LOT OF OUR CLIMATE PLANS ON THIS SORT OF THEIR ACTIONS AND I'M NOT SEEING THEIR ACTIONS LINING UP WITH WHAT OUR EXPECTATIONS ARE OR HONESTLY WHAT [02:10:01] THEIR EXPECTATIONS SHOULD BE BASED ON THEIR CLIMATE PLANS. THANKS FOR THAT. WE'LL, UM, WORK WITH OUR GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS TEAM TO SEE, UM, WHAT WE CAN DO IN TERMS OF SETTING UP AN ITEM RELATED TO THAT IN THE FUTURE. GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. ANYBODY ELSE? NO, JUST QUICK. YES MA'AM. I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU, UH, FOR YOUR, YOUR TERM, YOUR TENURE, YOUR TIME AS VICE CHAIR AND BEING SUPPORTIVE OF ALL OF US COMING ONTO THE COMMISSION. YOU ALWAYS HAVE EXTENDED A HAND AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SUPPORTED US AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE IN THAT ROLE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. APPRECIATE IT, . WELL, I HAVE ENJOYED IT IMMENSELY AND IT'S, UH, BEEN WITH THE HELP OF THE STAFF AND Y'ALL TO WHEN I DID STEP UP. SO, UM, I HOPEFULLY I'LL BE, CONTINUE TO BE SUPPORTIVE IN MY REMAINING YEAR. SO, UH, I WOULD LIKE THAT. UH, AND I'M VERY EXCITED. UH, YOUNG PEOPLE ARE COMING UP AND I'M BECOMING NEW LEADERS. LOVELY. SO, UH, AT [ADJOURNMENT] THIS TIME THEN, IF THERE'S NO OTHER BUSINESS, I DECLARE THE MEETING ADJOURNED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, THE WHOLE MEETING. THANK YOU. HI, MISS RIDE. I'M. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.