* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:06] OKAY. GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY. UH, NINE O'CLOCK. CALL THE ORDER. [CALL TO ORDER] UM, WHO'S YOUR ROLL CALL, PLEASE, [ROLL CALL] SIR? MATTHEW PETERSON. HERE. JANE. HERE. CASTRO. HERE. YOU . HERE. DAVE LEE. HERE. . HERE. CLIENT. THAT'S A FULL TABLE. UH, THANK YOU GUYS VERY MUCH FOR TAKING THE TIME OUT. [ANNOUNCEMENTS] UM, WE'LL GO ATTENDANCE THIS MORNING. WE'RE GONNA MAKE THIS, UH, FAIRLY BRIEF. UH, BUT PRIOR TO THAT, UM, THE METER INCREASE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST MONTH AND PUSHED DOWNTOWN A RECOMMENDATION, UM, I HEARD SOME POSITIVE FEEDBACK ON THAT. UM, BECAUSE OF WHAT WE USE OF FUNDS RIGHT NOW, SPECIFICALLY, UH, AS WE DISCUSSED THE NECESSITY TO INCREASE CERTAIN THINGS AND MAINTAIN CERTAIN PART SERVICES. BUT THE ONE RIGHT NOW, THAT SEEMS TO BE THE PROBLEM. IMPORTANT. AND, UH, I'VE HAD MEETINGS WITH COUNCILWOMAN, MEETINGS WITH OTHER BUSINESS OWNERS AND MEETING TO THE, AND THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE IS, WHAT RESIDENTS ARE, ARE, AND I'M REALLY ENCOURAGED THAT, THAT WE WILL SEE, UM, UH, AN APPROVAL RATE INCREASE AND WE CAN GET SOME MONEY, UH, DIRECTLY TOWARDS MORE SECURITY. UM, EVERYONE IS RIGHT. ENVIRONMENT, NIGHTTIME IN THE AFTERNOON. EVERYONE'S RIGHT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WE NEED TO SIDE AND, AND, UH, ALLEYS. EVERYBODY'S RIGHT. ALL OF THIS IS, AND WE'RE TRYING FIX SOME OF IT. MAKE BETTER. UH, YOU JUST CANNOT RELY ON THE CITY ENTIRELY TO SOLVE THESE PROBLEMS. AND THAT'S WHY THIS PARTICULAR COMMISSION HAS, UH, A SAY IN SOME OF THE MONEY AND IT'S GENERATED SO WE CAN, AGAIN, UM, IT'S A BROKEN RECORD, BUT QUALITY OF LIFE PROJECTS THAT WE FUND THROUGH THE COMMISSIONS, IT'S UH, IT'S CRITICAL WHEN WE DO IT. WE NEED STREETS, OF COURSE. WE NEED SIDEWALKS. WE NEED THE OTHER, UH, PIECE THAT I WANTED TO YOU THAT PUBLIC WORKS IS, UH, DOING A COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW OF IN PARKING LOT. UH, THE, SO LIGHTS THAT ARE OUT ARE GONNA BE REPLACED, UH, DARK SPOTS, UM, WILL BE ATTENDING TO HOPEFULLY. AND I'M HOPEFUL THAT THIS PARTICULAR PART ISN'T GONNA TAKE TOO LONG. CHANGE IN THE FALL EARLIER, UH, WE'LL SEE FULLY FUNCTION THROUGH. UH, THE LAST THING I'LL MENTION, UH, BS HAS A FIVE MEETING ON TUESDAY. UM, AND I'M SAYING THIS FOR BENEFIT OF CONSERVATION CORPS. YOU GUYS, PLEASE, UH, KNOW THAT YOU'RE INVITED, UH, IN THE MORNING, YOUR CREW. THIS GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO OFFER A MEAL WORKING. FOLKS ARE WORKING THE MORNING. AND IN THE PAST, THOSE, THOSE, UH, MIDDAY MEETINGS THAT WE WOULD'VE WEREN'T ADVANTAGEOUS FOR THE CREW TO COME IN AND HAVE LUNCH, BUT THESE MORNING MEETINGS ARE, SO HOPEFULLY YOU CAN SCHEDULE TO TAKE A BREAK AND WE'RE GONNA ANYBODY UP AND MAKE THEM SAY ANYTHING. SO IF THERE'S NO PRESSURE, THEY CAN JUST COME. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. SO THAT WAS THE LAST OF THE CHAIRS PASSENGER I WANTED TO MENTION, UM, WE'VE HAD A CALL, ORDER ROLL CALL ANNOUNCEMENTS, UH, REGULAR AGENDA I ONE RECOMMENDATION [1. 25-55880 Recommendation to approve the minutes for the Belmont Shore Parking and Business Improvement Area Advisory Commission meeting of Thursday, June 26, 2025.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] TO APPROVE MINUTES. BUSINESS ADVISORY, COMMISSION MEETING THURSDAY, JUNE 26TH, 2025. UH, CAN I HAVE MOTION PLEASE? MOTION A SECOND. SECOND, DAVID. UH, ANY COMMENT ON ITEM? ALL IN FAVOR. A THANK YOU. UH, ITEM TWO, [2. 25-55881 Recommendation to receive and file a Long Beach Public Works financial report discussing revenues during the period ending June 30, 2025.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE LONG BEACH PUBLIC COURT'S FINANCIAL REPORT. UH, DISCUSSING REVENUES DURING PERIOD END. JUNE 30TH, 2025. [00:05:03] UH, MOTION. MOTION. MOTION. A SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. ON PAGE SEVEN OF THE ATTACHMENT TITLED BELMONT SHO SUMMARY, DISCUSSING REVENUES FOR JUNE, 2025. FOR JUNE, 2025, REVENUE IS UP 2% COMPARED TO LAST FISCAL YEAR. YEAR TO DATE, REVENUE IS UP 11% VERSUS LAST FISCAL YEAR, BRINGING THE FUND BALANCE TO 403 9,275 AND 2 CENTS. THE NEXT PAGE, PAGE EIGHT, PARKING AND BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT AREA ADVISORY COMMISSION FY 2025 BUDGET IS OUR ESTIMATED BUDGET FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE YEAR. THIS STILL REMAINS UNCHANGED AS OF RIGHT. HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, SIR. YES. ARE THERE ANY ANOMALIES, UH, THAT EVER SEEM TO POP UP? MEANING, UH, A SURPRISE EXPENSE, SOMETHING THAT THAT POPS HEAVIER THAN A NORMAL, UH, SOMETHING THAT IS A SURPRISE? UM, NO, THERE ISN'T REALLY ANYTHING THAT COMES UP AS A SURPRISE. BASICALLY, ALL OF THESE EXPENSES THAT WE HAVE ON THIS ESTIMATED BUDGET IS WHAT WE HAVE ESTIMATED TO SPEND BY THE END OF THIS YEAR AND THIS YEAR BEING SEPTEMBER 30TH. UM, THE ONLY, THE ONLY ANOMALY OR ISSUE IS JUST THE, THE CASH FLOW SITUATION WHERE SOMETIMES WE'LL GET BACK, WE'LL GET BACKED UP WITH INVOICES, WE'LL SAY WE'LL GET INVOICED APRIL AND MAY AT THE SAME TIME IN JUNE. OR THERE'S SOME SORT OF ACCOUNT RECONCILIATION THAT WE NEED TO DO TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PAYING ALL OUR INVOICES ON TIME. BUT THOSE ARE THE, THAT'S THE ONLY, AND AS A REMINDER FOR OUR COMMISSION AND FOLKS HERE, PAYMENT MADE WHEN OCTOBER 1ST, AND THAT'S 200,000, WHICH IS WHY WE DISCUSSED THE FEE INCREASED WHEN WE DID. SO HOPEFULLY BY, HOPEFULLY BY THE FIRST YEAR WE SEE THAT REVENUE. UM, COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS? UM, COURT, I HAVE ONE, UH, COMMISSIONER ZARK, UH, AM I RIGHT IN MY RECOLLECTION ABOUT THE PRESSURE WASHING BEING INCORPORATED AT SOME POINT INTO THE OVERALL YES. CLEAN SERVICES? YES. OKAY. THE, THE NEW CONTRACT PRESSURE WASHING IS TAKEN AWAY AS AN INDEPENDENT SERVICE THAT'S FOLDED INTO WHAT THE NEW VENDOR WOULD. OKAY. SO, AND SO THAT SHOULD EXPLAIN THAT DIP FOR THE PRESSURE WASHING AND THE MASSIVE INCREASE IN THE CLEANING SERVICES IS THAT SWITCH GUIDE. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. AND THEN NEXT YEAR, THE FY 2025 OR FY 2026 BUDGET, WE'LL STILL HAVE, UM, IF YOU'D LIKE, IT CAN LEAVE PRESSURE WASHING IN THERE OR WE CAN LUMP IT ALL TOGETHER AND SERVICES. IT'LL JUST DEPEND HOW EVERYONE WELL, LET'S, LET'S DISCUSS THAT. I MEAN, IF THERE'S, IF WE WERE IN A POSITION WHERE WE HAD THE REVENUE THAT WOULD MANAGE BOTH THE INCREASE IN DAILY CLEANING AND WE CAN STILL HAVE EXTRA, EXTRA, UH, BUDGET ITEM FOR STEAM CLEAN, THAT WOULD BE A WONDERFUL ADDITION TO WHAT WE ALREADY DO. AND TRYING TO CONCENTRATE ON AREAS THAT ARE JUST ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE. AND SO THAT, THAT I WOULD, COMMISSIONER , I WOULD SAY WE PROBABLY SHOULD LEAD THAT IN TO YOUR POINT, BECAUSE IF WE CAN ADD ADDITIONAL AT SOME POINT, NO POINT IN TAKING IT OUT, PUTTING IT BACK IN, THAT'S GONNA GET A LITTLE CONFUSING OVER, ONE OF THE MAIN PROBLEMS RIGHT NOW IS THESE POP VENDORS. YES. UH, THAT HAVE THE GREASE THAT COMES ON THE SIDEWALK IN SEVERAL SPOTS IN, IN THE DISTRICT. AND AS PEOPLE WALK ON THAT THIS WAY OR THAT WAY, SPREAD AS MUCH AS A HALF A LOT. AND ONCE THAT GREASE GETS INTO THE CEMENT, UH, IT ATTRACTS OTHER STATES AND IT MAKES IT REALLY DIFFICULT CLEAN. AND [00:10:01] THAT'S ADDING A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT TO THE, SO WE HAD THE ADDITIONAL REVENUE, UM, TO CONCENTRATE ON SOME OF THAT. YOU KNOW, IT'S TERRIBLE WE HAVE TO SAY THERE, BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH. YES. UM, JANE GAP, UM, YES, YOU'VE KIND OF OPENED UP A CAN OF WORMS A LITTLE BIT. I KNOW. I'M VERY HONEST, SO FORGIVE ME. BUT YES, THE, THE STAINS IN THE SIDEWALK ARE NOT EVEN CLEANABLE IF THAT'S A BURDEN. I THINK THEY'RE SO BAD FROM THE VENDORS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO ABOUT THAT. BUT I ALSO THINK SOME, SOME OF THE OWNERS IS ALSO ON SOME OF THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTIES. I COULD NAME ONE. DO YOU THINK I COULD, YOU COULD, I COULD CHASE IN. IT IS ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO TO ACTUALLY FIND THE OWNER OR WHATEVER TO CLEAN IT UP, BECAUSE I DO THINK SOME OF IT HAS TO BE THEM AS WELL. YEAH. HOW IS THAT THE OWNERS OF, OF, UH, RESPONSIBILITY, IF IT'S THE VENDOR THAT IS DOING THAT, DO THE VENDORS HAVE NO LIABILITY AT ALL ON THAT? THE, THE, IT'S, IT IS ENFORCEMENT FROM THE CITY AND WE'VE ALL READ WHAT WE'VE READ AND WE KNOW WHAT WE KNOW. WE TALK ABOUT THAT FOR HALF A DAY. I THINK WHAT COMMISSIONER REFERRING TO IS CONDITION OF F CHASE BANK HASN'T BEEN ATTENDED TO IN SO LONG. IT JUST LOOKS, IT'S BEYOND THE REGULAR SIDEWALK. IT'S STILL PROPER MM-HMM . AND THEY, YEAH. NO, THAT'S, I'M THINKING THE LAWYER IMMEDIATELY, REESE AND LIABILITY, UM, THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS REESE THAT PEOPLE DON'T SLIP ON, BUT IT STRIKES ME, AND AGAIN, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT HAS TO SOMEHOW COME BACK TO THE VENDOR, UM, BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT A, I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE LICENSED BY THE CITY TO DO THIS WITH THE CITY. THE CITY IS GOING DOWN ON THAT DROP CITY ATTORNEY. THAT'S SOMETHING EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM. YES. YEAH. UM, UH, BUT THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S ON THE CITY'S PART. BUT IN ALL FAIRNESS, IT, THE PARTICULAR PROPERTY I'M REFERRING GOING ON LONG BEFORE THE VENDORS YEAH. I MEAN, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT OVERNIGHT. IT'S BEEN YEARS OF JUST DISREPAIR AND THE OWNER, I DUNNO WHO OWNS IT, BUT THEY DON'T SEEM TO CARE. AND I DON'T, I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE THAT AS THE, ON THE REFERRAL. WE REFERRALS TO PERHAPS REACH OUT TO CHASE BANK AMENT TO DO SOME CONCENTRATED SURE. CAN I MAY. SURE, SURE. UH, THANK YOU CASTRO. I, IN TERMS OF THE BUDGET, IT'S, IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE WE'RE ABOUT A LITTLE OF IN DIFFERENCE IN TERMS OF REVENUE. AND I THINK THAT THAT HAS SHOWN RIGHT NOW THOUGH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE DIFFERENCE IN JUST THE CLEANING SERVICES IS THREE. SO WHILE YOU KNOW, IT SHOWS THE REJECTED DEBT, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE NINE, BUT THAT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO BUILD. WELL, IT, IT, IT, IT, AGAIN, THE SPREADSHEET MAKES ASSUMPTIONS, UH, POST BOND PAYMENT. RIGHT. THE ASSUMPTION, THE MAJOR ASSUMPTION ON THIS SPREADSHEET IS THE REVENUE IS WHERE THE REVENUE IS CURRENTLY WITH VARIANCES, SPIKES, THAT SORT OF THING. THIS SPREADSHEET DOESN'T, THAT WAS WHAT I WAS POINT OUT IS THAT HERE, YOU KNOW, IT MAKES THE CASE FOR THAT 300,000, WHICH AGAIN, IT IS, YOU ALL FLOW TOO. BUT IF YOU JUST LOOK AT WHAT THE ANNUAL DEFICIT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW THAT YOU CAN'T SUSTAIN THAT FOR VERY LONG. HAVING THAT BIG OF A DIFFERENCE UNLESS WE WOULD CALLED THE CITY OR STATE OR, OKAY. UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OTHER COMMENT? IS THAT THE EXTENT, UH, WE HAVE A MOTION. WE [00:15:01] HAVE A SECOND. ALL FAVOR. OH, UH, THE ITEM WE HAVE MOTION, WE A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR YOU. UH, ITEM THREE, RECOMMENDATIONS. [3. 25-55882 Recommendation to receive and file the Long Beach Transit Employee Bus Pass Program Status for June 2025.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] TRANSIT EMPLOYED BUS PASS PROGRAM STATUS FOR FIVE. UH, MOTION HEARING. MOTION MOTION. I'M SORRY. DO YOU HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? I DO. HAVE A SECOND. SECOND. THANK YOU. NO, SIR. OKAY. UH, BSBA BOARDING AND RIDERS FOR JUNE, WE HAD 4,781 BOARDINGS FOR JUNE, UH, FROM LAST YEAR. LAST YEAR WE HAD 4,682. IN TERMS OF RIDERSHIP FOR JUNE, WE HAD 179 WRITERS. JUNE OF LAST YEAR, WE HAD 141 SHOWING AN INCREASE FROM LAST YEAR. UM, THERE'S ALSO A NOTE AT THE TOP NEXT TO FISCAL YEAR THAT HAS TOTAL EMPLOYEES. THIS IS A TOTAL ESTIMATED EMPLOYEES AT THE BELMONT SHORE BUSINESS AREA IS, UH, 1,336. AND THEN I'VE ALSO RECEIVED WORK THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY HAVE 529 ACTIVE BUS PASSES FOR THE BUS PASS PROGRAM. OF THOSE FIVE TWENTY NINE A HUNDRED SEVENTY NINE ROAD IN THE, OKAY. AND THEN NEXT PAGE. THIS IS A ALL WE HAVE A MOTION SECOND FOR DOESN'T COST, THE CITY DOESN'T COST TAX DOLLARS. IT'S A WONDERFUL PROGRAM. WE HAVE A PLEASE. I'M WONDERING HOW THAT NUMBER WAS, HOW THAT CAME TO THAT NUMBER. THAT ONE. 13 3 6. BECAUSE I FIND THAT VERY IMPORTANT TO BELIEVE THE NUMBER OF LARGE RESTAURANTS THAT WE HAVE ON SECOND STREET AND BARS, PLUS ALL OF THE, UH, BUSINESSES LIKE DEB'S AND JEFF'S. I CAN'T IMAGINE THERE'S ONLY 1300 EMPLOYEES. OKAY. THAT'S IT. OKAY. AND I, YEAH. SO IF MAYBE NEXT MONTH YOU COULD EXPLAIN HOW YOU CAME TO THAT NUMBER. THAT'D GREAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND. WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE REPORT. UH, ITEM FOUR RECOMMENDATIONS. [4. 25-55883 Recommendation to receive status updates on Conservation Corps of Long Beach’s work in the Belmont Shore area, including responses to requests for assistance, for June 2025.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] APPRO ASSISTANCE, UH, IN JUNE OF 25. READY, SIR? YEAH. CAN WE HAVE MOTION TO HEAR? WE A MOTION PLEASE? MOTION? YEAH. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. YOU GOTTA COME OVER HERE SO I CAN HEAR YOU. OH, OKAY. PLUS YOU GET THE FAN. YEAH. FAN . I THOUGHT YOU WERE WOW. MIKE BRIDGES ON CONSERVATION FOR LONG BEACH. UM, I THINK THE MAJOR FOCUS RIGHT NOW FOR OUR GROUP IS WEED ABATEMENT. UM, AS I'VE BEEN NOTICING, I MEAN, SERVICING THE DISTRICT FOR A LONG TIME. I KNOW THIS IS RIGHT AROUND THE TIME, LIKE WE TO REALLY START TO CROP OUT. AND I ACTUALLY GOT A REQUEST FROM HEATHER THAT WE'VE HAD. THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF WEEDS IN THAT PARKING LOT, AND THERE'S A PARTICULAR TREE, WELL, THAT ACTUALLY GROWS LIKE ITS OWN MINI HEDGE IN THE WELL . SO I'M GRABBING SOME TOOLS. I'M GONNA HAVE MY CREW TACKLE THAT. AND WE'RE GOING TO BE CHECKING ALL OF THE PARKING LOTS AND CLEARING THE LEADS LIKE FROM, FROM THE BACK PARTS, RIGHT WHERE THE, RIGHT, WHERE THE VINES ARE GROWING ON EACH PARKING LOT. SO THAT'S CURRENTLY OUR FOCUS. SO ANY THROBBING UH, ISSUES OR? NO, I [00:20:02] PROBABLY GOT A COUPLE REQUESTS, UM, FROM IDA WITH THE CITY. SHE'LL USUALLY SEND ME REQUESTS. I THINK ONLY YOU HAD LIKE TWO ON SOME OF THE BIG BELLIES THAT WE'VE HAD TO DEAL WITH. UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, NOT TOO MUCH. AND THEN OVERALL BIG BELLY HEALTH. UH, ACTUALLY I WALKED DOWN A COUPLE BLOCKS THIS MORNING. I NOTICED ONE OF THE NEWER ONES HAD SOME DAMAGE ON IT, I GUESS ONE. AND IT IS ONE OF OUR NEWER ONES OUT HERE. UM, I GUESS ONE OF THE PIECES THAT SUPPORTS LIKE ONE OF THE PANELS IS MISSING. SO LIKE THE PANEL IS JUST COMPLETELY OFF. IT'S MISSING LIKE IT'S SUPPORT FOR THAT PANEL. AND IT'S ONE OF OUR NEWER ONES, UNFORTUNATELY. DO WE HAVE, DO WE HAVE PARTS TO REPLACE OR DO WE HAVE TO GET THOSE FROM WAX? THOSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET FROM WAXY FOR SURE. YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S ONE OF THE NEWER ONES. SO I'M GONNA TAKE A PICTURE OF IT. UH, I'LL SEND IT TO YOU, RYAN, OR AFTER THE MEETING I CAN SHOW YOU. IT IS JUST ABOUT A BLOCK OR TWO RIGHT DOWN. SO DOES, DOES THAT AFFECT USABILITY OF IT OR IS IT JUST NO, IT'S STILL USABLE, BUT JUST IT IS EXPOSED UNFORTUNATELY. YEAH. OKAY. SO THANKS. THANK YOU FOR GREAT. YOU GUYS ARE AWESOME. APPRECIATE. YEP. I ALREADY SENT A FEW MESSAGES OUT. OKAY. YOU'LL PROBABLY SEE ME THERE TOO. THANK YOU GUYS VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT PLEASE ON THIS ITEM. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR A AYE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. UH, RECOMMENDATION TO [5. 25-55884 Recommendation to receive and file a discussion regarding the security operations along Belmont Shore.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] RECEIVE A FILE DISCUSSION REGARDING SECURITY OPERATIONS, UH, IN THE SHORE. UM, THAT'S A BIG TOPIC. I, A MOTION PLEASE. MOTION SHOULD CAST SECOND. UM, RYAN, DO YOU HAVE SOME TALKING POINTS ON THAT? SURE. THIS IS JUST A FFY I UPDATE IN TERMS OF OUR SECURITY CONTRACT. UM, A FEW PEOPLE WERE ASKING ABOUT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AFTER OUR CONTRACT EXPIRES. OUR CURRENT SECURITY CONTRACT WITH CSI SERVICE IS FOR, UH, UNTIL SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2025. PUBLIC WORKS WILL BE ISSUING A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS FOR CONTINUED SECURITY SERVICES. AND THAT WILL BEGIN FOLLOWING THE CONTRACT'S EXPIRATION. UM, AND THEN WE ALSO INCLUDED A CURRENT SECURITY SCHEDULE JUST FOR, UH, INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES. BUT THIS IS JUST AN UPDATE TO LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT WE'LL BE CONTINUING SECURITY EVEN AFTER THE CONTRACT, UH, EXPIRES. WE'LL BE GOING AS A REMINDER, UH, FOR COMMISSIONER. UH, CSI, UH, WAS ORIGINALLY BROUGHT IN, UH, AS A PROVIDER ON PILOT PROGRAM. AND I BELIEVE THE, THE CONTRACT AND THE PROGRAM IS STILL CONSIDERED ENTITLED TO PILOT PROGRAM. UH, AND IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT CSI WAS COMPLETELY BY THE CITY PRIOR TO WORKING IN THE SHORE. CSI PROVIDES OTHER ELEMENTS OF SERVICE IN OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY. UH, BRINGING THEM IN WAS, UH, THAT WAS A RECOMMENDATION, UH, TO CHANNELS TO USE A VETTING SERVICE. UM, SO WE'VE BEEN PRETTY HAPPY, VERY RESPONSIVE REPORTS. UM, THERE ARE LEVELS OF SECURITY THAT YOU CAN CONSIDER SUGGESTING, UH, TO THE CITY IN THE FUTURE. UM, NOT ONLY THE ABILITY OF THE SCHEDULE ITSELF, MORE SECURITY AT DIFFERENT TIMES, LIKE LATE NIGHTS AND DURING PARADES AND CAR SHOWS AND THINGS THAT NATURE TO ALLEVIATE THE EXPENSE ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SIDE THAT'VE, BUT THE CERTAINLY PROVIDE ARMED SECURITY THAT, BUT MORE TRAINED MORE, UH, PERHAPS ATTENTIVE SECURITY THAN WALKING, DRIVING BICYCLES. UH, UM, [00:25:01] ALL OF THAT, UH, IS PART OF DISCUSSION FOR THE FUTURE. UM, SEEING THIS DISTRICT WITHOUT SECURITY EVER SO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WAYS TO CONTINUE TO AFFORD IT, IN MY OPINION. THAT'S REALLY WHAT I WANNA MAKE CERTAIN WE TALK ABOUT. BUT THIS MORNING IS THE, THE GENERAL, UH, I GUESS PERCEPTION AND WE FEEL ON THE SAME PAGE ON LET'S DO, UH, COMMISSIONER COSAR. MY FEELING ABOUT SECURITY IS I'M A THOUSAND PERCENT IN FAVOR OF, UM, CONTINUING IT, BUT INCREASING IT. AND, YOU KNOW, I'VE HEARD, UH, COMMENT ABOUT THE, THE VALUE OF HAVING IT COMPARED TO AS FAR AS THE EXPENSE. AND TO ME, I THINK IF THERE'S A, A DEBATE TO HAVE, IT'S NOT WHETHER WE SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T HAVE SECURITY OR EVEN INCREASE IT. IT MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, THE QUALITY OF THE SERVICE THAT WE'VE, THAT SPECIFIC COMPANY. AND THAT PART IS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY DEBATABLE. YOU KNOW, I PERSONALLY HAVE HAD EXPERIENCES ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT POINT. UM, BUT WHEN I LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE, I AM, I AM GRATEFUL THAT WE HAVE IT. UM, IT'S NOT PERFECT, BUT, YOU KNOW, AND THIS IS NOT A SLIDE AGAINST THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT THEY'RE, THEY ARE MUCH MORE AVAILABLE DURING THE TIMES THAT WE HAVE 'EM AVAILABLE. THEY'RE MUCH MORE AVAILABLE AND RESPONSIVE THAN PD IS. AND THAT'S ONLY BECAUSE PD IS SO SHORTHANDED. UM, YOU KNOW, WE ALL GET THAT. UM, BUT TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO EXPAND THE HOURS, UM, WOULD BE AWESOME. AND, YOU KNOW, I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE EARLIER, YOU KNOW, I KNOW A LOT OF BUSINESSES AND THINGS, YOU KNOW, GOING INTO THE EVENINGS AND LATER WOULD BE NICE, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY HAS THEIR, THEIR NEEDS. YOU KNOW, MINE WOULD BE EARLIER, SOME WOULD BE LATER, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S A QUESTION THAT WE NEEDED. EXCUSE ME. UM, YEAH, THAT'S, UH, I THINK MY QUESTION REALLY DOES HAVE TO DO WITH THE QUALITY OF THE SERVICE. JUST BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING IT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S GOOD. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOUR EXPERIENCE IS MIXED UMIT MORE, MORE TOWARDS THE PRO SIDE THAT I HAVE HAD NEGATIVE EXPERIENCES. SO, AND THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD HAVE TO DO WITH POLICIES. AND IF THAT ISSUE SOMETHING IN THE CONTRACT ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, SATISFACTION, UM, OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, THE ISSUES THAT, THAT THE BUSINESS IS SEEING. FAIR ENOUGH. YOU KNOW, I CERTAINLY A HUNDRED PERCENT FOR IT. I THINK THAT THE VISIBILITY IS KEY. I THINK THAT FACT THAT THERE'S VISIBLE SECURITY CAN JUST DETER INDIVIDUALS FROM DESIGN THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, DO IF THERE WAS NO ONE AROUND OR NO ONE WATCHING. SO, UM, I'VE ALWAYS BEEN A PROPONENT OF SECURITY. UH, THERE WAS A FEW YEARS AGO IF THE PD HAD A GREAT PROGRAM WHERE THEY WERE THERE ON WEEKENDS WITH FOOT PATROL AND WE SAW A SIGNIFICANT DECREASE IN ISSUES AND, UM, VANDALISM AND WHAT HAVE YOU. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, ONCE THEY SORT OF PULLED THAT BECAUSE THE SHORTNESS, THE SHORT SHORTAGE OF STAFF, UM, CERTAINLY I THINK, YOU KNOW, UM, WE START TO SEE SOME ISSUES AGAIN. SO I THINK IT'S IMPERATIVE TO KEEP THE ISSUES AT A MINIMUM AND KEEP EVERYBODY SAFE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, DEFINITELY WHETHER IT'S THIS SERVICE OR IT'S ANOTHER SERVICE THAT WE USE, UM, REALLY, YOU KNOW, THE VISIBILITY IS KEY. I TOTALLY AGREE THAT EVERYBODY HAS SAID, I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT. WELL, I AM A PROPERTY [00:30:01] OWNER, HAVE HAD TWO TERRIBLE INCIDENTS AT THE BUILDING. PEOPLE WITHIN TWO WEEKS DROVE THROUGH THE WINDOW AND STOLE ALL KINDS OF STUFF. SO I AM, I'VE ALWAYS BEEN A POLICE PRO SECURITY, WHATEVER IT TAKES. I ALSO AM WONDERING IF THE QUALITY OF SERVICE MIGHT BE RELATED TO WHAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO AFFORD TO DO. AND HOPEFULLY, NOT THAT I'M SAYING WE STAY WITH THIS COMPANY, BUT THERE WAS ANOTHER REASON FOR US RAISING THE METER RATE SO THAT MAYBE WE CAN AFFORD TO HAVE MORE SECURITY AND MAYBE THE RESPONSE WOULD BE DIFFERENT. I JUST DON'T THINK WE TO AFFORD TO GET IT ALL RIGHT, THE FIRST PROGRAM. BUT IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT WE EXPECT QUALITY OF LIFE. WE WANT PEOPLE TO COME HERE AND FEEL SAFE. NOT TO MENTION THOSE OF US WHO ALL LIVE THERE. SIR, THANK YOU. UM, I WOULD ECHO WHAT EVERYONE SAID. I THINK THAT SECURITY IS MANAGE, WE NEED THAT. AND, UM, WHAT PROBABLY SOME OF THESE THINGS HAVE COME UP BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD ENOUGH COVERAGE. AND AGAIN, I, I GUESS WE HAVE TO SEE WHAT WE CAN'T BOARD BASED ON THE RP AND NEEDS ARE. BUT LOOK, JUST LOOKING AT THE COVERAGE, YOU KNOW, EVEN TWO, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON AT NIGHT, YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S, AND THERE'S A LOT GOING ON DURING DAY AND AS, UH, IF YOU ONLY HAVE THE VISIBILITY OF ONE, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT MAYBE ENOUGH VISIBILITY BECAUSE SECOND IS REALLY LONG, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S HARD TO GET, YOU KNOW, TO, TO SEE EVERYTHING AND BE THERE. I MEAN, IT'S BETTER THAN NOT HAVING IT. I, I WISH WE COULD HAVE MORE BECAUSE I THINK IT MAKES THE RESIDENTS FEEL SAFER. THE SHOPPERS, THE VISITORS, YOU KNOW, THE EMPLOYEES, ESPECIALLY PEOPLE THAT DO OR HAVE TO GO TO THEIR CAR, HAVE TO JUST, YOU KNOW, DO, DO BUSINESS. I MEAN, IT'S, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. AWESOME. THANK YOU. UM, SURE. SO, YEAH, JUST ONE FOLLOW UP QUESTION. ARE THESE FOLKS, UM, INDEPENDENT OF LIKE MOTION DETECTORS AND VIDEO CAMERAS ON BUSINESSES THEMSELVES, AND I ASK THIS, DO THEY SPECIFICALLY, DO THEY GET ANY CUES FROM ANY OF THE, DO THEY WORK WITH THE, THE SECURITY SYSTEMS THAT BUSINESSES MIGHT HAVE IN PLACE? OR THEY CAN SEND OFF SECURITY SYSTEMS THAT ARE MONITORED SYSTEMS REPORT CORRECTLY, BUT IF THERE'S A MOTION LETTER OUTSIDE, THEN THEY'RE GONNA BE THERE TO, SO YEAH, THINKING IS, IF THEY'RE NOT IN THE LOOP, IF THIS GOES TO THE PD AND THESE, I THINK THAT'S A, THERE'S PROBABLY A LOT THERE. I MEAN, I SEE DIFFERENT PIECES IN DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT PLACES, WHICH I CAN'T THAT SO, BUT YEAH, THAT, THAT'S, I MEAN, AGAIN, THAT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT THESE GUYS ARE SEE AND PD IS GETTING NOTIFIED OF SOMETHING IF THESE GUYS ARE ONE END OF THE STREET AND THAT'S HAPPENING AT THE OTHER END OF THE STREET. BUT IF THAT, WE ALL KNOW, I DO KNOW THAT THERE IS ANY, UH, CRIME THAT PD SHOULD BE A, SOMETHING THAT'S GOING ON, RIGHT? UM, UH, I'LL ADD, AND NOT ANECDOTALLY, PER POLICE DEPARTMENT, UH, MOST RECENT STATISTICS THAT RELEASED LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, UH, CRIME STATISTICS IN LONG OVERALL IMPROVED FROM LAST YEAR TO THIS YEAR. UH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT ANYBODY CAN GO TAKE A LOOK AT. UH, AND ALSO, UM, NOT FORMALLY, BUT INFORMALLY, YOU FROM LEADERSHIP NOW PRIVATE MAKES A DIFFERENCE, UH, NOT ONLY IN THIS COMMUNITY, BUT ANY COMMUNITY EXISTS BECAUSE IT'S A VISUAL. UM, OKAY. UH, WE [00:35:01] HAVE A MOTION. SECOND, UM, PUBLIC COMMENT PLEASE. I, BRIAN, I'M NOT SURE. UM, TWO HALLMARKS OF THIS IS THAT I HEARD MULTIPLE COMMISSIONERS REFERENCE THE, UM, DETERRENT FACTOR. I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY EFFICACY OF THAT SINCE NO DATA HAS BEEN PROVIDED BY CSI OR ANY OF THIS BODY OR PUBLIC REGARDING WHAT THAT SECURITY SERVICE PROVID, WHEN AND HOW, UM, WE HOPE THE RFP GOES FORWARD FOR THE NEXT ROUND OF THIS. BE ROBUST REPORTING MECHANISM BUILT INTO THAT SO THAT IT CAN BE PUBLICLY POSTED AS GREATER INTERVALS SO THAT EVERYONE CAN SEE WHAT'S EFFECTIVE. I WOULD CAUTION THOSE WHO SEEM TO THINK THAT THERE'S A DETERRENT FACTOR THAT, UH, CAUSALITY AND PROXIMITY ARE NOT THE SAME. SECURITY BEING PRESENT IS NOT THE SAME AS ACTUAL DETERRENT. UM, SOME OF THE INSTANCES THAT WE'VE SEEN OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS WOULD DEFINITELY NOT BEEN DETERRED BY THAT. THE POLICE THEMSELVES AT SEVERAL PUBLIC MEETINGS SAID THAT HAD WE HAD A BETTER RESPONSE TIME, THAT WOULD'VE NOT MADE A DIFFERENCE. THESE WERE GONNA HAPPEN ANYWAY. SO, UM, THE DETERRENT FACTOR IS MINIMAL AT BEST, I THINK, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT POUR OUT MY DAD AND SOME STATISTICS THERE. AND LASTLY, I WANT TO URGE THE COMMISSION TO, AGAIN, NOT INCUR THIS IN A PUBLIC EXPENSE. SECURITY ON SECOND STREET IS LARGELY DRIVEN, UH, SECURITY ISSUES, NOT IN DRIVEN BY ALCOHOL SERVING BUSINESSES. SO I WOULD WANT TO SEE THAT COST INCURRED AND PASSED ALONG SOLELY TO THOSE CURRENT SERVING BUSINESSES AS A REASONABLE COST OF WHAT THEIR OPERATIONS THAT COST TO THE COMMUNITY, NOT SOMETHING THAT COMES FROM OUR PARKING METER REVENUES THAT CAN BE USED FOR OTHER EXPENDITURES. SO THANK YOU FOR LISTENING AND, UH, LOOK FORWARD TO MORE ROBUST INFORMATION. THANK YOU. UH, YES. UM, SO LACK OF VISIBILITY IS A BIG THING TO ME, ESPECIALLY AT NIGHT. I'M OUT ON SECOND STREET, THREE TO FOUR NIGHTS A WEEK, AND OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS I'VE SEEN MORE POLICE CARS, UH, PATROLLING THAN SCI, WHO I HAVEN'T, OR SORRY, CSI, WHO I HAVEN'T SEEN ONCE OVER THAT SAME TIME. UM, I'D ALSO LIKE TO MENTION THAT SOME OF THE MD SECOND STREET PROPERTIES ARE IN DISREPAIR, AND THAT LEADS TO CHAOS AND CRIME. AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, THE, UH, BROKEN WINDOW THEORY, UM, SAYS THAT SIGNS OF NEGLECT AND EROSION LEADS TO ESCALATION OF DISORDER. AND FOR EXAMPLE, LAST NIGHT, WELL, EVERY, EVERY SINGLE NIGHT WHEN I'M WALKING THE STREET, THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE MOTORBIKE KIDS, UM, WE HAD THE POLICE AT OUR DSA MEETING A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, AND THERE SEEMS SO LITTLE THAT THEY FEEL THEY CAN DO ABOUT THAT SITUATION, BUT IT, IF THEY THINK THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH IT, WHICH THEY ARE, IT'S JUST GONNA KEEP GETTING WORSE. AND ONE OF THEM IS GOING REALLY, AND CRASH AND GET KILLED BY THE CAR THAT'S DIRECTLY BEHIND THEM. AND I JUST FEEL LIKE, ANYWAY, I JUST BELIEVE THAT CHAOS LEADS TO MORE CRIME. AND PART OF THAT IS DISREPAIR OF, UM, SOME OF THE EMPTY PROPERTIES ON SECOND STREET. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, WE HAVE A MOTION, WE HAVE A SECOND PUBLIC COMMENT. UH, ALL IN FAVOR. AYE. THANK YOU. UH, [6. 25-55885 Recommendation to receive and file a discussion regarding the city owned parking lots and after-hours parking along the Belmont Shore.        Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] I WILL LAST THE RECOMMENDATION FOR RECEIVING A FILE OF DISCUSSION REGARDING THE CITY ON PARKING LOTS. AND AFTER PARKING ALONG SHORE, UM, LEAD INTO THIS, UM, THERE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSIONS AT THE CITY LEVEL, UM, AND THESE ARE PRECIPITATED, EXCUSE ME, CAN WE GET A MOTION AND SECOND, A MOTION PLEASE? MOTION. AND A SECOND. SECOND. I DIDN'T HAVE BREAKFAST THIS MORNING. UM, THE, THE, THE CONVERSATION WAS PRECIPITATED, UH, MOSTLY BECAUSE OF AN INCREASE IN, UH, INTERESTING CRIMES IN THE LAST GUNSHOTS. WHILE THESE ARE ANOMALY EVENTS AT THAT LEVEL, UH, IT'S BRINGING THE SURFACE AND CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHERE A LOT OF THIS STUFF HAPPENS. AND, AND I'M TELLING YOU IT'S TRUE, UH, THE PARKING LOTS ARE, UH, LARGELY, UH, UN PATROL BY DUTY. AND IT'S HARD FOR SECURITY [00:40:01] PARKING LOTS ALL THE TIME. AND THE PARKING LOTS ARE DARK. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, UH, NOT ALL DUE TO BAR RESTAURANT PATRONS, THERE'S LOTS OF PEOPLE IN FRONT OF PARKING, PARKING LOT, UH, THERE PEOPLE IN THE PARKING, PARKING LOTS THAT GO TO RESIDENCE HOMES FOR PARTIES JUST TO VISIT IT'S USE FOR CERTAIN. SO POINTING FINGERS A PROBLEM. WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOLUTIONS AND LOOKING FOR WAYS TO TAMP DOWN SOME OF THAT ACTIVITY. AND THAT'S WHAT THIS CONVERSATION'S ABOUT. C HAS SOME IDEAS. ONE IDEA IS TO CLOSE THE PARKING LOTS AT NEWLAND. UH, AND THERE COULD BE A CARVE OUT. THERE SHOULD BE A CARVE OUT FOR RESIDENTS, UH, PERMIT DEPARTMENT, THOSE PARKING LOTS. AND THE WHOLE IDEA THERE IS TO TAMP DOWN LATE NIGHT TO FURTHER THAT. UH, I HAVE A PROPOSAL TO, AND THESE ARE ALL JUST DISCUSSION POINTS. MIND YOU, NONE OF THIS IS, UH, PROJECT WORTHY OR, OR FOLLOW THROUGH WORTHY AT THIS POINT, BUT I WANTED TO BRING THESE TO YOU. UH, SO WE DISCUSS, UH, CLOSING PARKING LOT, EVEN EARLIER AT EIGHT OR NINE ON PEAK EVENINGS BY FRIDAY AND SATURDAY, AND CONVERTING THEM TO ATTENDANT PARKING WITH A FLAT FEE, WHETHER YOU'RE THERE FOR AN HOUR OR YOU'RE THERE FOR FOUR HOURS, THAT FLAT FEE BEING HIGH ENOUGH TO ACT AS A, PEOPLE CASUALLY USE THE PARKING LOT FOR OTHER REASONS THAT 5 20, 25 30, UM, COVER THE COST OF THE ATTEND. HAVING A ATTEND IN THAT PARKING LOT SERVES AS OBVIOUSLY THAT ACCESS TO SECURITY, IMMEDIATELY, SECURITY AND POLICE THAT THEY'D BE, UH, WEARING A UNIFORM TO SOME SORT OF AUTHORITY. UM, THERE'S OTHER OPTIONS THAT ARE DISPOSAL FOR DISCUSSION. DYNAMIC PRICING ON METER AT PEAK HOURS, AGAIN, IS FILTER AND RETURN FOR SHORT TERM PARKING FOR OTHER REASONS. THAT BEING FIVE AN HOUR, SIX, SEVEN AN HOUR. AND THESE ARE ALL JUST CONCEPTS EMPLOYED IN OTHER AREAS, OTHER CITIES THAT ARE EFFECTIVE OR NOT, UH, IN TAKING CARE OF THE ACTIVITIES IN THOSE PARKING LOTS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO, WE'RE ATTACKING THE LIGHTING. UM, SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS RIGHT NOW. AND, UM, JUST SO I'M CLEAR, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE LOCKS THAT ARE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CITY LOCKS THAT, THAT, THAT, UH, ARE IN THE SHORE. THEY'RE, THEY'RE ON THE BE THE WEST SIDE OF THE STREET, OR IS THAT THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE STREET? SOUTH, SOUTH SIDE OF THE STREET. UM, THERE'S SIX OF THEM, I BELIEVE. FIVE OR SIX. AND THESE ARE THE LOCKS THAT, UH, BEHIND. BEHIND, YEAH. OKAY. THOSE BOXES. OKAY. UM, I'D VERY MUCH LIKE TO LOOK INTO, UM, THE COSTS INVOLVED IN BEING ABLE TO HAVE EITHER COULD, UM, YOU KNOW, MONITOR AND, AND, UH, I THINK THAT THE, THE CHANGE IN OUR PRICING ALONE MIGHT A LOT TO GO BEFORE YOU GOT TO, YOU KNOW, KNOW, HAVING IT ACTUAL ACTUALLY, UM, MONITORED BY, BY PEOPLE. UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD THING. I WOULD BE VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF WHATEVER CHANGES THOUGH THAT GO INTO EFFECT TO MAKE SURE THAT FIRST AND FOREMOST, I THINK IT'D BE A GREAT THING FOR THE RESIDENTS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A PASS SO THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING HERE, [00:45:01] VISITING OUR BUSINESSES, AND THEN CHOOSE MAYBE TO PAY A PREMIUM TO BE THERE LATER AND WHAT TIME LATER IS, I MEAN, WE KEEP DEBATING THAT. UM, THEY CAN EITHER CHOOSE TO, TO USE IT OR NOT. I THINK A LOT WOULD STILL CHOOSE TO BECAUSE OF CONVENIENCE. BUT THEN I THINK RESIDENTS THAT STILL USE 'EM, YOU KNOW, UM, AND RELY ON THE BUILDING THAT DEALER TO PARK SOMEWHERE NEAR THEIR HOMES, UM, IN A RELATIVELY SAFE SPOT WOULD BE AWESOME TOO. BUT IF THERE IS PART OF THE DISCUSSION IS PART ABOUT FOUR RESIDENTS, UH, BECAUSE IS THEY SHOULD BE, UH, DISADVANTAGE BECAUSE OF WHAT THE, THE ATTEMPT IS FOR. SO THERE IS A CAR OUT. YEAH. UM, AND THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT IS I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER'S DONE TRYING TO FIND THAT BALANCE BETWEEN STILL MAKING IT ATTRACTIVE FOR PEOPLE TO USE IT, BUT NOT FORCE 'EM INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S A, THERE'S A TIPPING POINT SOMEWHERE THERE WHERE THAT IS, YOU KNOW, TODAY, I DUNNO, BUT I THINK THERE IS A TIPPING POINT WHERE THEY WOULD STILL USE IT, UM, AND NOT JUST GO WORK INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S COMPLICATED. IT'S COMPLICATED, BUT IT IS, I THINK IT'S, IT'S A REALLY GOOD DISCUSSION TO GET INTO. THAT'S A GOOD START. YES, OFFICER, YES. THE PREMISE THERE IS THAT, UM, THEY WOULD WANT TO PARK THERE BECAUSE IT'S SAFE. UM, AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE SAYING THAT THEY'RE NOT, UM, THAT THERE IS AN QUOTE UN BEHAVIOR IN THE PARKING. OKAY. AND PART OF THAT IS BECAUSE THE CITY HAS BEEN NEGLIGENT CO RIGHT? THEY'RE NOT, OKAY, SO THESE ARE CITY OWNED BLOCKS, SO THIS IS NOT CORRECT BUSINESS, UH, LIABILITY. UM, SO MAKING, YOU KNOW, SOME KIND OF ASSURANCE THAT THEY ARE SAFER THAN THEY ARE NOW. UM, I MEAN, I WOULD THINK, YOU KNOW, TO PAY A PREMIUM FOR THAT, YOU WOULD WANT TO OFFER SOMETHING OTHER THAN JUST, UM, AND WHATEVER THAT IS, YOU ATTENDANCE, WHATEVER. IF YOU KNOW SOMEONE'S GONNA, THEN THEY'RE DO THAT. AND IF OUT FOR THE RESIDENTS TO BE ABLE TO USE THEM AGAIN, THEY WOULD WANT PARK THERE AGAIN ON THE, ON THE PREMISE THAT THIS IS A SAFE PLACE TO PARK. SO, AND AGAIN, RIGHT NOW THEY'RE NOT SO FIGURING OUT WHY THEY'RE SAFE, THAT THAT'S THE TEST QUESTION. SO IN ALL MY YEARS IN COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE LIGHTING WAS ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, WHETHER YOU'RE IN A PARKING STRUCTURE, YOU'RE IN A PARKING LOT, LIGHTING IS ALWAYS A, THE FIRST DETERRENT AND EASY BOX TO CHECK CHALLENGES. YOU'VE GOT RESIDENTS IN CLOSE PROXIMITY, SO YOU HAVE TO BE CHALLENGED WITH ZERO CUTOFF LIGHTING, WHAT HAVE YOU. BUT I THINK THAT, UM, I THINK ALL OF OUR LOTS ARE POORLY LIT AND SO WE COULD CERTAINLY FOCUS ON THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY CONVERSATION OR DISCUSSION ON, UM, WITH MOBILE CAMERA SYSTEMS THAT, UM, YOU SEE IN, IN LARGER PARKING LOTS, WHICH I THINK DETER TRYING TO STORE THAT IS ATTACKING A PARKING LOT BECAUSE THIS IS THING THEY GOES, RESULT OF THAT OVER THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS, INCRE DECREASE. SO TO YOUR POINT, LIGHTING IS CRITICAL. AND WE TALKED ABOUT TWICE WE, AND THANKFULLY NOW RECENTLY THE LIGHT, THE LIGHT BULB CAME, SO, SO ANYHOW, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU OBVIOUSLY NOW CONFIRMED OBVIOUSLY GOOD THING THAT THE CITY'S NOW LOOKING AT BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT'S SORT OF THAT FIRST LINE OF DEFENSE. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I THINK YOU RUN THE, THE, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU RUN THE NUMBERS AND YOU SEE IF IT MAKES SENSE TO DO SOME OTHER, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, IF RAISING THE PRICE AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, HAVING, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED MONEY OR METER GO UP, I THINK PEOPLE FILL THEIR CREDIT CARD AND THEY DON'T THINK MUCH [00:50:01] ABOUT IT. BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE ATTENDANT, BECAUSE THERE'S, AGAIN, IT'S THAT VISIBILITY. SOMEONE'S THERE, THEY'RE MONITORING A LOT AND YOU JUST FIGURE OUT, OKAY, SO WHAT TIME DO YOU CLOSE THE LOT OR DO YOU, THE ATTENDANT LEAVES AND THE LOT BECOMES OPEN. AND THEN IF IT'S YOU KNOW, MIDNIGHT, THEN YOU STILL GET A COUPLE HOURS WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A PARENT SAID NOTHING GOOD AFTER MIDNIGHT. SO, RIGHT. SO ANYHOW, UH, TO ON THAT, WE'LL MOVE OVER TO COMMISSIONER ONE OF THE ALTERNATIVES LOT THE IS TO THROW MORE SECURITY INTO THEM AND THAT BE PRIVATE SECURITY DEDICATED PER LOT. SO DEDICATE SECURITY OFFICER THAT HOURS, THAT'S, WELL OBVIOUSLY I, THE LIGHTING , I THINK WE ALL AGREE ON THAT. IT MAY BE THERE SHOULD BE. AND THEN, UH, DETERMINE WHETHER WE DO AN AT ATTEND. PROBABLY GONNA NEED THAT IF WE GO IN THAT DIRECTION. AND I'M A PERSON WHO THINKS A YOU PEOPLE IN, SO I WOULD SAY IF YOU MAKE IT ONES ENOUGH ON SOMEONE, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PARK IN THOSE LOTS. UM, YEAH, I MEAN IT'S DEFINITELY A PROBLEM WITH THE LIGHTING IS THAT IS CRITICAL FOR SURE. I AGREE WITH THAT AND, AND I THINK WE SHOULD TRY THAT. EXCELLENT CAST. I, I DEFINITELY AGREE WITH THE PILOT SO THAT WE CAN SEE WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WILL WORK BEST OR WE COULD DO TO BE, YOU KNOW, REALLY, AND IF WE LOOK AT, UH, THE IDEA OF DYNAMIC PRICING, I KNOW THAT THAT'S BECAUSE ENFORCEMENT HERE RIGHT NOW, I, I THINK THAT THAT MIGHT NOT HAVE THE SAME IMPACT AS SOMETHING LIKE INTENDED, WHICH I THINK WHEN THERE'S, IT'S A DETERMIN IF YOU SEE SOMEONE THERE, THEY'RE TAKING, YOU KNOW, HAVING THERE, BUT AGAIN, WE WON'T TRY IT. I LOVE THIS LAST IDEA THOUGH TOO. YOU HAVE DEDICATED SECURITY. SO I THINK IT'S JUST THE TRADE OFF OF WHAT THE COST IS AND WHAT MAKES MOST SENSE. UM, BUT IT'S REALLY ON IT AND THE CAMERA TOO. I MEAN, CAMERAS ARE A GREAT WAY TO GO AND BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES WHEN YOU READ, AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST ANECDOTAL, BUT WHEN YOU READ ABOUT SOME OF THE PROBLEMS THAT HAVE EXISTED, BILL, IT'S PEOPLE GET AWAY. YOU KNOW, EVEN IF THE, THE PD CALL, UNFORTUNATELY PEOPLE SCATTERED, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO ADDRESS THE PROBLEM. UM, SO IF PEOPLE THOUGHT THAT THEY WOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE OR BE ABLE TO TRACE BACK AFTER THE FACT, MAYBE THAT WOULD ADD TO, CAN I JUST ADD ONE MORE? SORRY. I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE PERMITS FOR THE RESIDENTS, WHICH I DO THINK IS GREAT, BUT WE ALSO HAVE A CHALLENGE FIGURING OUT HOW MANY PERMITS PER, IF PEOPLE ARE GONNA COMPLAIN. SO THESE DETAILS, CLEARLY DETAILS, SORRY THAT THIS DISCUSSION, UH, HER OFFICE IS ABSOLUTELY AWARE OF THE DISCUSSION. SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE, UH, EACH OF YOU TO REACH OUT TO, IT'S NOT A SECRET, IT'S NOT AT THIS POINT OR STAFF. UH, WHAT WE'RE DOING AS A, AS A GROUP AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO COMMUNITY THIS AS WELL IS WE'RE, [00:55:01] WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE A PROBLEM AND WE KNOW THERE'S A PROBLEM AND WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE IT IN, IN A, IN A FAIR WAY, IN A RIGHT WAY AND COST EFFECTIVE WAY. AGAIN, IF WE HAVE JUST LOADS OF POLICE PROTECTION AND REGULAR PATROLS, THIS WOULDN'T BE AS MUCH OF A PROBLEM. AND THIS A SOCIETAL AND WE, YEAH. AND I LOVE THE CONVERSATION AND IT'S MEASURED AND IT'S BALANCED AND IT MAKES SENSE. AND IS THERE A SOLUTION HERE, PERHAPS? UH, IS THERE A SOLUTION SOMEWHERE? HOPEFULLY. BUT THIS IS WHERE WE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS AND ULTIMATELY THE CITY IS GONNA FIGURE THIS OUT AND THEY'LL GO THROUGH THE PERMIT IF THAT'S WHERE IT GOES. AND THERE'S CONSIDERATION. THAT IS A HUGE, BECAUSE OF COASTAL ACCESS AND PARKING IS NOT, ESPECIALLY IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, DISCUSSED FOR 40 YEARS. AND, UH, JUST LIKE PARKING, NOT DISCUSSION. SO WHAT I LOVE IS THAT WE'RE HAVING A CONVERSATION ABOUT WAYS TO HELP THE COMMISSIONER. THOSE ARE CONCERNED. THE LIGHTING THAT MEANT BEHIND KIND WHAT JOE'S, THAT'S SOMETHING ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT THE CITY IS PROVIDING AS FAR AS YEP. AND WHO'S PAYING FOR THAT? THEY ARE. AND PART THE CONSIDERATION WAS, OH GOSH, WHOSE WINDOWS ARE THESE LIGHTS GOING INTO? RIGHT? AND THOSE NEIGHBORS, UH, CANVAS AND THOSE NEIGHBORS ARE GOING DEAD AND THOSE NEIGHBORS WOULD TRADE THE LIGHT FOR NOISE SEVEN NIGHTS ON SUNDAY. OKAY. UH, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND. AND SO, UM, WE'RE JUST HONESTLY NOT ALL TRYING TO WORK TOGETHER AGAIN. THAT'S THE CONVERSATION. ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION, WE HAVE A SECOND, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT PLEASE. UH, GOOD MORNING, BRIAN CORAN, MONT SHORE. UH, I THINK THIS IS A PRIME OPPORTUNITY AND A ESSENTIAL OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS TO BE TAKEN OUT TO THE PUBLIC IN WHAT I WOULD CALL A LISTENING SESSION. THERE SHOULD NOT BE SOMETHING THAT'S SHARED WITH, UH, FRIENDS OF AMONT SHORE WITH THEIR LIMITED MEMBERSHIP. THE BSA, IT'S LIMITED MEMBERSHIP. THIS NEEDS TO BE MEETING IN A PUBLIC SPACE IN AN EVENING HOUR WHERE IT'S AVAILABLE TO PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WHO CAN ACTUALLY PARTICIPATE. THIS SHOULD BE ROBUSTLY PREPARED IN TERMS OF OPTIONS AND VISUALS. UH, IT SHOULD HAVE AN OUTLINE OF WHAT THOSE LOTS WERE DESCRIBED AS, WHERE THEY'RE AT. UH, I HEARD AT LEAST TWO OF THE COMMISSIONERS STATING WEREN'T SURE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO IMAGINE THE PUBLIC'S, UH, CONCERN ABOUT THAT. AND AS YOU ECHO, UM, PAST ISSUES WITH, UH, IMPACTS TO THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THE PARKING LOTS, THIS IS ONE WHERE I, I, I FIND FALL WITH THE COMMISSION'S ACTIVITIES IN THE PAST OVER POLICY CHANGES IN METER REVENUES, POWER EXTENSION, WHERE THE COMMUNICATION SIMPLY DIDN'T REACH OUT TO ANYBODY. THIS IS ONE WHERE THERE'S ENOUGH LEAD TIME, THERE'S NO PRESSING CONCERNS TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN TOMORROW. SO PLEASE SCHEDULE SOMETHING. PLEASE BRING VISUALS. PLEASE BRING ROBUST DETAILS ABOUT OPTIONS THAT ARE BEING CONSIDERED SO THAT THEMSELVES LISTEN TO IDEAS. TAKE THAT IN FROM EVERYBODY ELSE. SPEND LESS TIME TELLING AND MORE TIME LISTENING TO PEOPLE, BECAUSE I THINK THOSE IMPACT WILL HAVE MUCH MORE OF A FEELING ABOUT THAT AND PROVIDE MULTIPLE OPPORTUNITIES. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE SOLVED ONE NIGHT WITH THE WHATEVER MEMBER SHOW UP EVEN HARD AMONG THE COMMISSION ON THESE THINGS CONSISTENTLY. SO DO THAT OUTREACH, START IT NOW. UH, IT'S GONNA BE A PROCESS, BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO USE THE TOOLS YOU HAVE AND REACH OUT TO PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY. I SAID THIS BEFORE IN A PRIOR MEETING. THIS IS AN ECOSYSTEM. IT'S A DELICATE ONE. THE BALANCE BETWEEN THINGS THAT ARE DECIDED HERE IMPACT THINGS OVER THERE. SO START THAT PROCESS NOW AND BE GENEROUS AND INCLUSIVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. UH, ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND. WE HAVE DISCUSSION, UH, ALL, UH, AT THIS POINT, [PUBLIC COMMENT Opportunity to address the Belmont Shore Parking and Business Improvement Area Advisory Commission on non-agenda items. Each speaker is limited to three minutes to make their comments unless extended by the Chair.] COMMENT. [01:00:01] SO NOW COMMENT. OKAY. PLEASE, UH, BRIAN, I'LL BE BRIEF. I JUST WANT, UH, SHARE SOMETHING. I WAS LING AROUND WITH AI YESTERDAY AS PREPARATION THIS, UH, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, SO CONSISTENT FRUSTRATION FOR ME AND MOST LIKELY OTHER RESIDENTS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS AS WELL, IS WHAT SEEMS TO BE A LACK OF TRANSPARENCY AND PROCESS AND COMMUNICATION FOR THINGS. AND IF YOU DO AN AI SEARCH FOR GOOD MEETINGS, GOOD PLANNING, YOU FIND TERMS THAT COME OUT, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT CALL A FIVE PIECE OF PRODUCTIVE MEETINGS, PURPOSE, PREPARATION, PROGRESS, PARTICIPATION AND PROCESS. UH, SO OFTEN THIS COMMISSION SEEMS TO NOT ADHERE TO WHAT OTHER COMMISSIONS ACROSS THE CITY DO. I WOULD ENCOURAGE, UH, THE ENTIRE BODY TO CHALLENGE THAT AND CHANGE IT MODEL OF DOING THINGS. JUST BECAUSE IT'S A SMALL ROOM ON A THURSDAY MORNING DOES NOT MEAN IT SHOULD NOT HAVE A ROBUST PROCESS. THE TWO AGENDAS TODAY WERE ESSENTIALLY STREAM AS DISCUSSION, WHICH, UH, FROM OUR PERIL IN THE PAST, WE FIND THAT THEY OFTEN NEED TO DECISION WITHOUT ANY STEPS ALONG THE WAY THAT ARE VISIBLE PUBLIC AND FOR MEANINGFUL INPUT. UH, IN THIS CASE, I SEE THESE ARE PUT FORWARD BY THE, THE CHAIR OFTEN IN A COMMENT THAT STARTS AT THE BEGINNING. WE DON'T HAVE FOLLOW UP IN THE COMMUNITY. I, I GO BACK TO THE DECISIONS ABOUT THE PARKING METER HOURS EXTENSION MONTHS AGO, WHICH MULTIPLE MEETINGS OCCURRED AT THE CHAIR SEEMED TO BE VERY ROBUST IN, UH, APPROACHING THAT AND DESIRE TO HAVE COMMUNITY INPUT. BUT THEN WHEN IT CAME TO THE DECISION, IT WASN'T MENTIONED ANYWHERE EXCEPT IN SOCIAL MEDIA BY HUNDRED CURRENT, APPARENTLY ON FACEBOOK. UH, IT'S NEVER SAID IN THAT THE CHAIRMAN'S, UH, MOMENT TO SAY STUFF LIKE THAT AND BE PRESENT AND STATE STATUS OF THINGS THAT GOES WITH THOSE FIVE PS OF PRODUCTIVE MEETINGS. SO I ENCOURAGE OUR MEMBERS, UH, TO BE MORE ROBUST AND ASK FOR MORE OF THE MEETINGS, TO SEE MORE ROBUST PLANNING MATERIALS THAN COMMUNICATIONS UP FRONT. AND IT'LL HELP YOUR PROCESS AND BE BETTER AND EFFECTIVE FOR CONVEYING TRANSPARENCY IN THE FUTURE OF THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. UH, ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY. UH, WE'RE, [ADJOURNMENT] THANK YOU VERY MUCH. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.