* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. I'M [00:00:01] IMPRESSED THAT YOU'RE ALL HERE. VACATION TO DETERMINE, UH, ROLE PLEASE, SIR. MATTHEW PETERSON. HERE. JAN. HERE. DEBORAH CASTRO. HERE. JEFFREY . HERE. DAVID LEE. HERE. JODY. ME HERE. WE HAVE. THANK YOU SIR. UM, ALRIGHT. I, I WAS GONNA LEAVE SOMETHING FOR CHAIR'S REPORT. UM, AND IT'S, IT'S GOOD THAT, UH, THIS HERE FOR THIS, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE SPENT MONEY ON IN THE, UH, THE SCOPE, OUR, OUR BUSINESS AND DEPARTMENT MISSION SECURITY. AND IT'S INTERESTING HOW MUCH WE SPEND ON THAT. AND, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S ENTIRELY NECESSARY BECAUSE WE SPEND TWO, $300,000 ON SECURITY. I WISH WE DIDN'T HAVE TO SPEND IT. WE ARE SPENDING, WE'RE GONNA APPROPRIATE AS MUCH AS WE CAN. AND I THINK WE ALL TALKED ABOUT HOW PORTABLE SECURITY IS. UM, THIS IS KIND OF INTERESTING, UH, OF LATE, AND I'VE MET WITH, UH, A DEPUTY MAYOR. UH, I'VE GOT A MEETING WITH THE CITY MANAGER NEXT PETE. UM, ALSO THE PRESIDENT OF THE BUSINESS ASSOCIATION. AND THE, THE EFFORT IS IN ALL THESE THINGS TO TRY TO MAKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD A BETTER PLACE FOR RESIDENTS. AND, BUT THE MORE THAT WE GO ALONG ON THIS, THE MORE I AGREE WITH THE RESIDENTS OF HOW ZANY THINGS ARE, ESPECIALLY LATE. BUT IT'S NOT THE LARGE PROBLEM. IT'S NOT A HOSPITALITY'S PROBLEM. IT IS THE CITY'S PROBLEM BECAUSE THE CITY IS LETTING THIS NEIGHBORHOOD DOWN. THE CITY'S LETTING THIS PART OF TOWN DOWN. NOW, HOW DOES THIS HOTEL IN THE PARKING COMMISSION IN ROCHESTER OPERATOR'S RAMP, UM, IF THE PARKING COMMISSION DIDN'T SPEND, UH, 150 OR 200 OR $300,000 ON SECURITY, UH, WE COULD DIRECT THOSE FUNDS INTO, UH, OTHER THINGS THAT THE RESIDENTS AND OPERATOR WANT. LIKE CLEAN YOUR STREETS. UH, OR, OR LANDSCAPING. OR MINING, UH, OR A GATEWAY OR, OR, OR WE COULD DIRECT THOSE FUNDS DIFFERENT PLACE, BUT WE NEED SECURITY BECAUSE THE CITY ISN'T PROVIDING ADEQUATE POLICE COVERAGE. SURE. THAT'S WHY WE NEED SECURITY. UM, WE HAVE A LOT OF MONEY THAT WE'RE SPENDING ON QUEEN STREET INITIATIVE. THE NEW VENDOR, UM, BUT IN PUBLIC WORKS WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE INVOLVED IN, IN WHAT GOES ON ON THIS, IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO HAVE SO MUCH MONEY CONCENTRATED THAT OR, UH, GRAFFITI REMOVAL OR A REPAIR OF, UH, A WALL THAT GOT CRASHED INTO WITH A CAR. UM, IT'S A, IT IS A SYNERGY AND THE BUSINESS OWNERS ARE DOING WHAT THEY CAN DO. ALL THEY CAN DO. BUSINESS ASSOCIATION, DOING ALL THEY CAN DO THE PARKING COMMISSION. HERE'S THE, WE, UH, THE PARKING COMMISSION IS DOING ALL THE PARKING COMMISSION CAN DO APPROPRIATING AND, UH, UH, SUGGESTING, UH, THE ALLOCATION OF FUNDS FOR THESE PARTICULAR PROJECT. UH, BUT IF THERE WAS MORE POLICE PROTECTION, THEN WE WOULDN'T NEED SECURITY AND WE COULD ALLOCATE THOSE FUNDS TO, UH, OTHER THINGS, UH, THEY SO DESPERATELY WANTS AND NEEDS. SO THESE ARE THINGS THAT ARE BEING WORKED ON, UH, BY A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS ASSOCIATION PARKING CONDITION. WE'RE WORKING VERY HARD TO MAKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD A BETTER PLACE. AND I GUESS THAT'S THE END OF THE POINT IS THAT HERE WE'RE CONTINUING TO TRY AND IT'S VERY, VERY DIFFICULT BECAUSE WE FEEL LIKE, UH, THE PARTNERSHIP, UH, IS A LITTLE ON BALANCE AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH A CONTROVERSIAL THING TO SAY, BUT, UH, THAT'S THE WAY I FEEL AND, UH, I WISH IT WAS A DIFFERENT WAY, BUT IT'S NOT. SO, UH, WITH THAT I'LL MOVE TO THE, UH, CALENDAR REGULAR AGENDA RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE, UH, THE MINUTES OF BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT AREA ADVISORY CONDITION MEETING ON THURSDAY, JULY 24, 25. UH, SECOND PLEASE. SECOND, UH, ANY COMMENTS? UH, ALL IN FAVOR? A 20, UH, ITEM TWO RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE [00:05:01] ON PUBLIC WORKS FINANCIAL REPORT. I DISCUSSING FOR JULY 25, FOUND ON PAGE NINE, PAGE NINE OF THE PACKET. I NEED A MOTION NO, SECOND. SECOND. AND WE'LL TAKE A MOMENT TO REVIEW. UH, SIR. OKAY. UM, THE SHORT WORKING METER FUND SUMMARY, AS OF JULY 31ST, WE HAVE A REVENUE OF 124,486 AND 38 CENTS. THAT IS UP 12% COMPARED TO LAST FISCAL YEAR. YEAR TO DATE REVENUE IS UP 12% AS WELL. THIS IS MAKING OUR CURRENT FUND BALANCE AT $525,847 AND 41 CENTS. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO COMMENT TIMING, PLEASE. THAT COMMISSIONER , I, I THINK THAT'S REALLY POSITIVE SEEING THAT WE'RE GETTING, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL NEWS BECAUSE IT'S REALLY ALMOST A FIRST FULL YEAR RIGHT. OFFSET SOME OF OUR COSTS EVEN THOUGH OUR COSTS ARE FASTER. I THINK, YOU KNOW, OUR ASSUMPTIONS WERE CORRECT. WE WANT YOU MAKE ASSUMPTIONS, THEN YOU ACTUALLY SEE RESULTS. SO THAT, THAT PRINCIP GROUP DECIDED LAST YEAR WHEN THE COMMISSION DECIDED IT WAS GONNA PASS. AND, AND, BUT I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BETTER THAN WE THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE. UM, PERCENTAGE WISE, ISN'T IT? IN TERMS OF ? WELL, I DO KNOW THAT COUNCILWOMAN DUGGAN, UH, UH, CONCEPTUALLY AND OTHER IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE MAKE TO CITY COUNCIL TO INCREASE LEADER RATES IN THE DISTRICT. UH, THAT CAN GO, UH, IN FRONT OF COUNCIL. IT'S EARLY AS SEPTEMBER 2ND, I THINK IS THE DATE. OKAY. UM, AND I'LL LIKELY BE AT THAT CITY COUNCIL MEETING BEFORE THAT. UH, I, UH, AND I KNOW AGAIN, I'M LOOKING ACROSS IT, UH, THAT COUNCILMAN SUPPORTIVE, UM, BECAUSE SHE LIKE HAD RECOMMENDED, SHE BELIEVES THAT ADDITIONAL REVENUE, UH, IS NECESSARY TO PARK SERVICES AT THIS POINT AND WE DO NOT GET THAT FEE INCREASE. UM, WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT FROM THE OTHER WAYS TO INCREASE REVENUE, WHICH WOULD BE TWEAKING HOURS, UM, THAT SORT OF THING. MM-HMM. SO IMAGINING THAT WE GET THAT INCREASE, THEN WE CAN REALLY START TO SEE THAT WE'LL HAVE ENOUGH FUNDS TO RECOMMEND FOOD VENDOR, THE CONTINUANCE OF THE NEW VENDOR, SECURITY, LANDSCAPING, ALL THINGS THAT WE WANNA DO. MM-HMM . UM, WITHIN THAT, THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO INCREASE THAT. THE OPPORTUNITY, UH, AND THIS IS STILL JUST A, A CONCEPT THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE LAST MEETING, THAT I THINK WE SHOULD CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION AND PERHAPS WE CAN IT FOR NEXT MONTH, UM, IF WE WANNA PUSH IT FURTHER. AND THAT WAS THE, THE CONCEPT OF CLOSING THE PARKING LOTS, THE CITY PARKING LOTS THAT ARE ON THE SOUTH AND THE, UM, AND SUGGESTING SAY NOT A CALL ON FRIDAY AND SATURDAY NEXT AND STAFFING IT WITH AN ATTENDANT CHARGING A FLAT RATE FEE FROM NINE TO TWO. AND THEN THE REVENUE THAT THAT PRODUCES OBVIOUSLY OFFSETS THE LABOR FOR THAT IN THE PARKING LOT, THE ACTIVITY [00:10:11] THAT WOULD CUT DOWN. SO NOW THE ALTERNATIVE, UM, IS WHAT DOES THAT DO TO THE PEOPLE THAT DON'T PAY THE FLAT RATE THEIR CARS? SO THAT IS PART OF THE CONVERSATION, OF COURSE. AND FOR EVERY GAME THERE'S GANG AND, AND YOU'VE GOTTA FIND A BALANCE IN THE CONVERSATION. AND, AND AGAIN, THIS IS NOT AN ABSOLUTE, THIS IS JUST A CONCEPT, UH, THAT I THINK DESERVES, UH, EXPLORATION. AND I HAVE SPOKEN TO COUNCIL ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ELEMENT SHE, UH, WAS INTRIGUED BY, BUT THAT'S A GOOD WORD. UM, SO GO AHEAD. I JUST WANTED TO TOS IN THAT WE ALSO LOOK AT THE LIGHTING THAT, UM, WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS. THEY HAVE, AND I'M CURIOUS IF THEY HAD ANY COMPLAINTS FROM THE NEIGHBORS, UH, THAT IT'S TOO BRIGHT OR WHAT, WHAT REFERRING TO IS, UH, WE HAD MADE AN ASK TO, UH, PUBLIC WORKS WITH COUNCIL'S, UH, COUNCILWOMAN WHEN WE DISCUSSED MAKING THE LIGHTING ENHANCEMENTS IN THE REPAIRS A PRIORITY IN PARKING LOTS. AND THE OWLS, UH, AND NICK CAN PERHAPS IN AND THEN WE, ONE OF THE, UH, RESTAURANTS PANCHO'S HAS INSTALLED OR RATHER BRIGHT INTO THAT PARKING LOT FROM A CERTAIN TIME TO A CERTAIN TIME, UH, LATE NIGHT. AND IT'S BEEN QUITE EFFECTIVE THAT PARKING LOT AND COUNCIL HAS FEEDBACK FROM NEIGHBORS ON THAT LIGHT. THEN WE CAN GET AN UPDATE ON THAT. WELL, UM, BUT I THINK POSITIVE IS RECEIVED POSITIVE. I THINK THAT'S SOUNDS BECAUSE WE'RE THE NOISE STUFF TO KEEP OUTTA YOUR HOUSE, THE LIGHTS ON LITTLE PIECE YOU GONNA KEEP OUTTA YOUR OH, I WOULD TAKE THE LIGHTS. YEAH. SO, UH, DID YOU HAVE NO, I HEARD HUNDRED PERCENT. OKAY. UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS? SO PERHAPS WE CAN, UH, AGENDA THIS FOR PREDICT AND PUSH THIS CONVERSATION OFF THAT WE CAN FORMALLY RECOMMEND, UM, THAT OR, UM, BACK TO THE PARKING AND UM, AND I KNOW THE RESIDENTS UTILIZE THOSE LOTS IN THE EVENING. UM, AND SO THEY INSTITUTE SOME SORT OF A PERMIT PROCESS, RIGHT? SO THEY HAVE SOMETHING IN A WINDOW OR SOMETHING TO HANG, UH, THIN LINE THERE BECAUSE THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT CONVERSATION WITH PERMIT MARKETING, RIGHT? WHICH IS ANOTHER, UM, HIGHLY CHARGED, UH, AND THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS. IT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CONCEPT, BUT WITHIN THAT, THERE WOULD BE A PROBLEM FOR . AND IS THERE AN EXAMPLE ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY WHERE SOMEBODY, AN AREA'S DONE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT WHERE THEY'VE ADDED, UH, AN ATTENDED TO PARKING AREAS? I, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS ANYWHERE IN THE CITY I THAT, THAT HAS STAFFED PARKING LOTS ARE PUBLIC, THERE ARE PARKING LOTS. THEY HAVE. MY THOUGHT IS, IS I THINK IT IS AN INTERESTING, UH, IDEA. AND MY FIRST FEELING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE WORRY IS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVING IT AND CHARGE FOUR, THERE MIGHT JUST BE A SWEET SPOT AS FAR AS HOW, WHAT HOW MUCH IS CHARGED WHERE PEOPLE INSTEAD OF PARKING FURTHER DOWN THE STREET, IN FACT ONLY X [00:15:01] WHATEVER X IS, I STILL JUST PARK HERE BECAUSE WE STILL WANT 'EM, WE DON'T WANT PUSH 'EM OUT. WE JUST WANT TO COLLABORATE. AND THE WORD, WORD THAT THAT IS USED IN THIS EXAMPLE WOULD BE FILTER. THIS IS A, THIS IS A FILTER, CERTAIN BEHAVIOR. AND AGAIN, THIS WOULDN'T BE NECESSARY IF WE HAVE ROUTINE EXAM, UH, SCHEDULED PATROL. UM, BUT WE DON'T. SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR ALTERNATIVE WAYS TO MITIGATE THAT. AND PEOPLE COME TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD LATE NIGHT, NOT JUST TO GO TO CARS, THEY'RE COMING TO RESTAURANTS THAT ARE GOING TO VISIT FRIENDS. UH, THEY'RE EAT, UM, THEY PASS THROUGH FROM ONE REGION TO ANOTHER AND THEY STOP HERE TO GET HOT OFF PEOPLE UP ON THE SIDE THERE, THERE'S, IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S NOT, THERE'S NOT WAY ANY ONE GROUP OF PEOPLE OR BUSINESS OR OPERATOR, IT'S, THIS IS A VERY POPULAR PLACE AND AS SUCH, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO VISIT HERE AND IT'S JUST AMAZING THAT WE CAN'T GET A PROPORTION AMOUNT OF PROTECTION, UH, PROACTIVE PROTECTION TO HIS NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO APPROPRIATE OR RECOMMEND APPROPRIATING SECURITY OR PARKING LOT ATTENDANCE OR BRIGHT LIGHTS OR, YOU KNOW, ANY OF A VARIETY OF THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. IF WE DIDN'T, THEN WE HAVE, AND WE HAVE A GATEWAY SIDE AND WE HAVE CLEANER SIDEWALK. SO YOU, WE'D BE TALKING ABOUT RESURFACING SIDEWALKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BE PLENTY, PLENTY THROUGH THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT BASICS FIRST. AND THAT'S PROTECTION. HELP SAFETY. SEE, AND IT'S FALLING ON US TO DO THAT. THAT'S CRAZY. IT'S, IT IS. UM, I'M GONNA SAY IT'S NOT FAIR. UM, AND I AGREE WITH THAT REALLY A HUNDRED PERCENT THAT I'VE ALWAYS FELT THAT WE ARE PICKING UP THE, THE SLACK THAT ACTUALLY SHOULDN'T BE THERE THREE MORNING. RIGHT. AND, AND THAT IS NOT ANY ONE SECTOR'S DEFAULT IS JUST THE VERY BOTTOM ONLY. WE WORK HARD TO MAKE ONSHORE A POPULAR DESTINATION SPOT. THAT IS CORRECT. AND YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BE AN AREA THAT PEOPLE WANT TO COME, COME YOU TO BE MAP BECAUSE THEY SHOW UP. SO, SO I'M, I'M, I'M, I'M, I'M, I'M BEING VERY CAREFUL HERE BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA GET TOO FAR, UH, IN WITH IT. BUT IT ALL, IT ALL FITS. SO, UH, ANY OTHER QUESTION ON THE FINANCE REPORT, WHICH IS AWESOME. YEAH. UH, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A MOTION, WE HAVE A SECOND, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT PLEASE. UH, MELINDA COTTON, I'VE LIVED HERE SINCE 1983, SO I'VE SEEN FIVE PARKING STUDIES. THE REASON WE HAVE A PARKING LOTS IS TO SERVE THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, TO TAKE PRESSURE OFF THE RESIDENT COMMUNITY AND ALSO TO SERVE THE REQUESTS THROUGH THE YEARS OF RETAIL LOCATIONS THAT WANTED TO SERVE LIQUOR AND WORK LATER IN THE EVENINGS. SO THE PARKING LOTS WERE USED AS A ZONING EXCUSE TO ALLOW THAT. SO IF YOU PARKING LOTS, YOU'RE PUSHING PEOPLE INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL COME. 'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF LATE NIGHT ACTIVITY IN THE SHORE. AND THAT PRESSURE IS ADDITIONAL QUALITY UNITS WHICH ARE TAKING OVERAGES, WHICH ARE ALLOWING MORE PARKING, WHICH IS ALLOWING MORE PEOPLE ON THE STREET. THOSE PEOPLE ARE NOT TAKING BUSES, THEY ARE DRIVING THE BUSES SCHEDULE DOESN'T WORK A LOT OF DIFFICULTIES. SO THERE'S INCREDIBLE PRESSURE ON PARKING THAT'S BUILDING ALREADY. AND THIS IS, I'M GLAD YOU'RE GOING TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA 'CAUSE THIS SHOULD BE A DISCUSSION OF ALL THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ALL THE FACTORS. AND PROBABLY ANOTHER PART, I THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE BECAUSE YOU MISSED PART OF THE ORIGINAL STATEMENT. AND SECURITY IS DIFFICULT AND WE DO NEED MORE POLICE AND WE DO NEED SOME WAY TO SLOW [00:20:01] PEOPLE DOWN. WE'VE GOT PEOPLE DRIVING TO THE SHORE AT 40 MILES AN HOUR ON UNREGISTERED ELECTRIC BIKES, ON MOTORCYCLES, ON SCOOTERS. THEY GO WRONG WAY. THEY SPEED. I PERSONALLY WAS SKI A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO BY A DRIVER, BUT WE SEE IT QUALIFY TIME. SO YES, IT'S VERY DANGEROUS INCLUDING TRAFFIC SIGNAGE THAT WILL REGISTER THE SPEEDS. SO THAT WAY YOU UNDERSTAND THAT. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE PARKING 'CAUSE YOU BY A COUPLE OF TRAFFIC SPEED. BUT IN ANY CASE, THIS IS BIG DISCUSSION AND I HOPE THAT YOU'LL INVOLVE EVERYBODY AND I HOPE THAT THERE'S SOME ACTUAL STUDY, BUT TRULY I THINK LOOKING AT CLOSING PARKING LOTS WILL BE A MAJOR DISSERVICE TO EVERYBODY. OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. . ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UH, UH NO, I WOULD AGREE. I THINK WE PUT, PEOPLE PUT SO MUCH PRESSURE ON, ON THE PARKING CONDITION TO MAKE UP FOR SO MUCH. SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY, ANYTHING DISAGREEING WITH THAT. UM, AND I THINK IT'S REALLY GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE NOW COUNSELOR WAS ASKING FOR MORE POLICE EVIDENCE, RIGHT? SHE'S, I MEAN, AND SO IS EVERY SINGLE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBER IN THE CITY AND WE'RE, UH, TO, TO BRING ON MORE POLICE OFFICERS. WE DO THAT. BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS SAYING WE NEED MORE. AND I THINK THAT CAN CONTINUE TO BE THE MESSAGE TOO, BECAUSE WE DO, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF FACT. I THINK YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. IT PUTS A TON OF PRESSURE ON THE WALL TO, TO SOLVE PROBLEMS THAT ARE WITH THE CITYWIDE PROBLEMS. UM, AND THEN, UH, REGARDING THE, UM, PARKING LOT, I THINK IT'S, IT IS AN INTERESTING THING BECAUSE I THINK THERE, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT TOO AND, AND IT'S LIKE REALLY LAYING IT ALL OUT THERE. 'CAUSE IF IT IS ONLY FROM 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT TILL TWO O'CLOCK, UM, AND IF, YOU KNOW, I JUST, I JUST DON'T KNOW IF EVERYONE'S GONNA GO PARK IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS. 'CAUSE EVERY EVERYONE KNOWS THERE'S NOT A 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT ON FRIDAY NIGHT NEIGHBORHOODS DOESN'T HAVE A TON OF PARKING ANYWAYS. UM, SO I THINK THERE'S A TON OF THINGS TO CONSIDER HERE BECAUSE YOU KNOW, I THINK, YEAH, I DON'T, I THINK THERE'S, UH, WHENEVER YOU PULL ON ONE SIDE, THE OTHER SIDE MOVES, RIGHT? AND SO THAT'S GONNA BE THE DISCUSSION. BUT I THINK WE CAN KEEP TRYING DIFFERENT THINGS UNTIL SOMETHING MAKES IT MAYBE INCREMENTALLY BETTER. AND THEN WE TRY THE NEXT THING, MAKE BETTER. UM, UNLESS WE, THERE'S JUST MORE CARS IN THIS AREA THAN PARKING SPOTS AND THAT'S JUST THE FACT. SO , UH, BUT HAPPY BEFORE THE DISCUSSION, BUT LIGHTS. OH, THE LIGHTS. OH, SO, SO THE, UM, WHAT WE'VE HEARD IS, IS EXACTLY SAME PEOPLE SAY THEY CAN PUT UP LINES, BUT THEY CAN'T SOUNDPROOF THE WALLS. SO THE NEIGHBOR BEHIND HIM ON JOE WAS, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY WENT TO HIM AND SAID, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS? AND THEY PUT 'EM UP AND THEY DRIVE LINE RIGHT IN THAT PARKING LOT. WE'VE HEARD THAT, UM, THE RESIDENTS DON'T MIND BECAUSE IT CUTS OUT NOISE AT NIGHTTIME. SO EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? PUBLIC COMMENT IS MEANT. OH, SORRY. BUT IF WE'RE CLOSING PUBLIC COMMENT, YOU CAN. OKAY, WE COMMENT, THERE WE GO. I JUST WANNA SAY THAT I THINK IT'S, UH, I'M NOT SURE IT'S UNINTENDED OR INTENDED CONSEQUENCE OF LIVING IN A BEACH COMMUNITY. IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE GETTING HERE WAY LONGER THAN KNOW THAT IT'S BEEN A CONSTANT. UH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S REALLY THE PROBLEM. I JUST THINK IT'S REALLY IN BEACH COMMUNITY. WE'VE HAD NUMEROUS PARKING S COSTLY OVER THE YEARS AND UH, OUR GOAL THOUGH IS WE DO HAVE BUSINESS. WE WANT THEM TO BE SUCCESSFUL. SO EVERYBODY HAS TO GET ALONG. WE JUST CAN'T FIX EVERYTHING. WE CAN'T HELP IF PARKING GOES OFF INTO, UH, BY PEOPLE'S HOMES. I MEAN, I JUST THINK THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE LIVE IN . WE ONLY HAVE SO MUCH ROOM. UNLESS YOU GUYS THINK AT SOME POINT YOU WANNA BUILD PARKING STRUCTURE, WHICH I DON'T THINK IS GREAT IDEA. SO WE KIND, I THINK WITH WHAT WE HAVE SUPPORT THAT SIDE OF THAT IS THAT WE HAVE VIBRANT RETAIL ENVIRONMENT, WHICH HAS DIRECTLY RELATED, IT RELATES TO PROPERTY VALUE. SO YOU BEEN HERE SINCE THE NINETIES AND SPENT $190,000 ON YOUR HOUSE AND NOW IT'S WORTH 1,000,008. YOU KNOW, THERE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S FREE SOMETIMES. AND THAT ENVIRONMENT [00:25:01] THAT CREATES THAT RETAIL ENVIRONMENT, UM, HELPS FUEL THE VALUE OF YOUR REAL ESTATE. AND SO YOU'RE LIVING TENFOLD ON THAT SIDE. BUT I LIVE IN BEACH COMMUNITY, THERE'S NEVER ENOUGH PARKING AND MOST OF BUILT PARKING STRUCTURE, STILL NEVER ENOUGH PARKING. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU'VE GOT THE BEACH, YOU'VE GOT A COMMUNITY WHICH HAS, UM, AN ACTIVE LIFESTYLE AND PEOPLE ARE GONNA ENJOY IT. SO I I I WOULD JUST SAY IT'S ABOUT, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT CREATIVE WAYS TO SOLVE IT, WHICH I THINK IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW, BECAUSE WE'RE SEEING THE RISE OF SOME BEHAVIORS THAT WE'RE ALL OBSERVING AND IT'S TEND TO HAPPEN LATER AT NIGHT. THINGS THAT A LOT OF US, YOU HEAR IT, BUT NOT EVERYBODY SEES IT BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY'S OUT AT THAT TIME OF DAY, BUT IT ISN'T NECESSARILY NEIGHBORHOOD. ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, COLLEAGUES THAT ARE HERE, PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM OTHER PLACES, WHICH IS GREAT. WE WANNA BE IN DESTINATION, BUT WE ALSO WANNA BE IN PLACE WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO COME IN AND OBSERVE OUR LAWS IN TWO THINGS THE PROPER WAY AND LATER NIGHT. AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S BIGGER ISSUES. SO THIS SOUNDS LIKE POTENTIAL MITIGATION OF THAT BECAUSE WHEN PEOPLE FEEL LIKE SOMEONE'S WATCHING, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY MAY BE A DIFFERENT, WE DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO TRY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT'S THE SOLUTION, BUT IT'S A GREAT THING TO PUT ON THE TABLE AND AT LEAST CONSIDER BECAUSE WHAT, WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW AT THE PLACES THAT ARE OPEN AT THAT TIME OF NIGHT, IF PEOPLE FEEL UNSAFE GOING TO THEIR CARS, IF THEY FEEL, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE'S A WHOLE ASPECT OF THAT TOO. YOU KNOW, THAT DAMS, THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR BUSINESS OR PEOPLE GOING AGAINST, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE WILD, WILD WEST, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T, YOU FEEL LIKE, HMM, DO I WANNA GO DOWN THERE? ONLY MAYBE THE NOISE AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS. SO I THINK IT'S VERY CREATIVE AND, AND REALLY PRACTICAL. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION, WE HAVE SECOND, UH, ALL IN FAVOR YOU'LL RECEIVE FINANCIAL REPORT. I HAVE THREE RECOMMENDATION TO TRANSIT MUST PASS, UH, THAT ON PAGE. OKAY. MOTION APPROVE. SEVEN. OKAY. UM, FOR THE MONTH OF JULY, WE HAD TOTAL OF 5,158 BOARDINGS. VERSUS LAST YEAR WE HAD 4,007. IN TERMS OF RIDERSHIP, WE HAVE 180 RIDERS FOR JULY LAST YEAR WE HAD 1 53 INCLUDING, AND WE ARE UP FOR BOTH. SO WE ARE UP BOTH IN BOARDING TO AND RIDERSHIP FOR JULY AS COMPARED TO LAST YEAR. OBVIOUSLY GRANULAR ON THE SUBSEQUENT PAGES. UH, INTERESTING. UM, WE HAD BEEN ASKED FOR A NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES ON THE SHORE. UM, UM, I, I DON'T THEORETICALLY, I DUNNO HOW ACCURATE THAT NUMBER IS, UM, COULD BE SWAYED BY A NUMBER OF FACTORS. UM, AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME THOUGHT ON EFFECTIVENESS OF THIS PROGRAM SHOULD BE CONTINUING. UM, BUT I WILL JUST BEGIN FOR PUBLIC RECORD. AND FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW, UM, THIS IS NOT , THIS IS NOT COME OUT OF THE, UH, UH, BUDGET CITY. UH, THIS IS NOT COME OUT OF OUR OPERATIONS BUDGET HERE. THIS IS A GRANT, THIS IS GRANT FUNDING, UH, SPECIFICALLY FOR PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AND JUST ALL ARE GONNA SAY THE SAME THING AGAIN. THIS IS A GREAT PROGRAM. UH, IT SERVES AS IMMEDIATE COMMUNITY AND IT REDUCES ONE CARD, UH, OUT OUT OF THIS DISTRICT ON A DAILY BASIS, WHICH CERTAINLY DOES NOT REDUCES FAR FORWARD THAN THAT. THAT'S JUST A GREAT [00:30:01] PROGRAM. SO YOU'RE HERE, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS? SURE. YES. UM, I WAS JUST LOOKING AT DEEP BUSINESSES AND JUST REALIZED SOMETHING ABOUT MY OWN PERSONAL BUSINESS. OH, LET'S, LET'S GET THERE, LET'S GET LISTED TWICE I THINK. OH NO. ATHLETIC CLUB AND THEN THE MONT. OH. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S DOUBLE OR OVERLAP OR I JUST SAW THE, I'VE ALWAYS LOOKED AT THE NUMBERS. YEAH. MAYBE ADDED THE OTHER, SO YEAH, I DUNNO IF IT'S, WELL, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I THINK THESE NUMBERS ARE. UH, I THINK THESE NUMBERS WERE BORN AT THE BUSINESS ASSOCIATION LEVEL. UH, IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH. UM, THESE ARE DONE BY LET BEACH TRANSIT. OH, THESE NUMBERS. OKAY. SO WELL, DO WE NEED TO CORRECT THAT? UM, I WAS IN THE AND I GET OLD. EXACTLY. WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO, WE, I CAN CONTACT SOMEONE IN BEACH TRANSIT TO HAVE, I JUST SAW THE DOG. LISTEN. YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS BREAKDOWN, UM, YOU SEE SEVERAL HUNDRED FOR CERTAIN, UH, HOSPITALITY BUSINESSES, WHICH MAKES PERFECT SENSE. THE BUS. AND, UH, IF THIS WASN'T AVAILABLE TO HIM OR WOULD THEY, EXCUSE ME, WOULD THEY A CAR HERE? AND SO, UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UH, WE HAVE A MOTION. COMMENT ME AGAIN. . UH, ACTUALLY THE MONEY PROBABLY COMES FROM A FEDERAL OR STATE GRANT. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CASCADE PAYER IS EITHER A FEDERAL OR STATE LEVEL THAT ARE PAID FOR OUR PARKING. AND IF IT'S FEDERAL, I WOULD WORRY ABOUT THAT STAYING HERE. BUT THAT'S A WHOLE LOT OF TALKING AND WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES, I THINK THAT MATTER. AND THEN THERE'S THE SECOND THING, WHICH IS WHEN I CAME OVER TODAY, I PARKED ON , TWO TRUCKS DELIVERED, AND THEY TOTALLY TAKEN OVER THE BUS WITH PARKING SECOND, WHICH IS PRETTY, WAS STANDARD. I THOUGHT IT GOT BETTER, BUT IT'S STILL HAPPENING. SO THESE BIG BEER TRUCKS, FOOD TRUCKS DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO PARK. AND THEY'D COME EARLY IN THE DAY. THEY PROBABLY WOULD. BUT EVEN NOW, THERE WAS ACTUALLY A PLACE, LEGAL PLACE IN FRONT OF ONE OF THE TRUCKS. SO I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT GOES ON. I THINK A BUS COMPANY TRIED TO DEAL WITH IT. I DON'T THINK OUR ENFORCEMENT DOES. SO A CONSTANT PROBLEM FOR PEOPLE THAT TAKE THE BUS IS IF THE STOP IS OCCUPIED, THE BUS CAN'T STOP OR THEY HAVE TO LET 'EM IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET THAT. SO JUST, JUST SOME COMMENTS ABOUT WHAT'S ACTUALLY GOING ON IN REALITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, ANY COMMENT? MOTION? WE HAVE A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? A AYE. 75. OKAY. UH, ITEM LAST RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE STATUS UPDATES ON CONSERVATION FOR, UH, THE ONE THESE WORKING WITH RESPONSES. REQUEST FOR ASSISTANCE, UH, IN JULY 25. UH, GENTLEMEN AND SENATOR, COME ON A MOTION PLEASE. MOTION A SECOND. OKAY, FOLKS. UM, HELLO. MIKE BRIDGES, FOR LONG BEACH. UH, I THINK THE BIGGEST ISSUE THAT WE'VE BEEN TACKLING RIGHT NOW HAS BEEN THE STATUS OF BIG, UH, WE HAVE GOTTEN SOME CALLS OF STATUS OF THEM. SO JUST THE OVERALL CONDITION. SO WE'VE ACTUALLY WENT OUT, ONE OF OUR CREW LEADERS ACTUALLY WENT OUT, DID A SURVEY, [00:35:01] ALL THE CONTAINERS. AND WE CURRENTLY HAVE A RUNNING LIST OF WHAT, WHAT, WHICH CONTAINERS HAVE ISSUES. AND IT'S A LIST THAT I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND FORWARD TO WRITING. AND UNFORTUNATELY WE DO NOT HAVE PARTS FOR THESE. THEY'RE MOSTLY FROM, THEY'RE MOSTLY RANGING FROM CRUSTING ON TOP OF THE BUBBLES, UM, TO SOME OF THEM BEING SO OLD THAT THEY'RE FINALLY STARTING TO FALL APART. THEY KINDA, THEY KIND OF BEEN HERE SINCE THE FIRST, THE PROGRAM WAS FIRST INSTITUTED. SO THESE ARE LIKE THE FIRST GENERATION ONES. AND THEN EVEN SOME OF THE NEWER ONES, YOU KNOW, HAVE DAMAGE FROM PEOPLE RUNNING INTO. SO WE HAVE TO RUN THE LIST RIGHT NOW, BUT IT'S NOT AS EXPENSE AS EXTENSIVE AS I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE. BUT THERE ARE THAT HAVE SOME ISSUES. UH, SO I'LL GO AHEAD, I'LL FORWARD THAT LIST TO BRIAN. THANK YOU. SO, SO THIS IS A GIFT THAT KEEPS ON GIVING. UM, I REMEMBER, UH, I HAD JUST COME OUT, THE PARKING BOY, THERE WAS, THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT THE COST OF THESE THINGS AS OPPOSED TO YOU JUST A, UH, AND THE REASON THAT BIG BROTHERS WERE BROUGHT IN, 'CAUSE IT KEPT CRASH OFF THE SIDEWALK. IT KEPT PEOPLE FROM BUILDING ABOUT GROUNDING THINGS OUT. THEIR CAPACITY WAS LARGER BECAUSE THE, THE MORE EXPENSIVE VIEW CRUSH, MULTIPLE BUY OUT DON'T CRUSH. UM, UH, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO CUT DOWN LABOR. UH, IT HAVE TO BE AT DAY ALL THESE THINGS. BUT EVERYONE WOULD FLOSSED OVER THE EXPENSE OF THESE UNITS, THE MAINTENANCE UNITS. THE FACT AT SOME POINT THEY'RE BECOME OBSOLETE BECAUSE TECH, WHATEVER THE HELL. AND HERE WE'RE, WE'RE THE ONES FACED WITH AN ONGOING COST OF MAKING THESE THINGS. WHETHER IT'S CLEANING THEM INSIDE OF 'EM, THE DOORS ON 'EM, THE LIFTERS ES, WHATEVER, AND IS THERE A LINE IN THE SAND? HERE'S A SPECIAL POINT. UH, SHOULD WE, PART OF BUNCH SHOULD, CAN THESE THINGS AND JUST GO BACK TO TRADITIONAL GARBAGE CANS? UH, OR DO WE SAY THE COURSE WITH THIS AND CONTINUE TO PAY, UH, MAINTENANCE COSTS. CONTINUE TO BUY REPLACEMENT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOW 10, 12, 15,000 A PIECE. UH, YOU CAN BUY AN AWFUL LOT OF TRASH CANS AND PAY AWFUL LOT OF, UH, LABOR GARBAGE AS OPPOSED TO CONTINUING BY, UH, THESE GOODNESS. OKAY, TALK. LET'S DISCUSS TALK. OKAY, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THIS SERIOUSLY, BECAUSE I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. AND THEY ARE NOW AND IT TAKES SO LONG TO GET FOR THEM. IT TAKES FOREVER. SO I, IN FRONT OF MY BUILDING, WHICH IS LITTLE GAP BUILDING, THERE IS STILL THE OLD CEMENT THAT WE HAD BEFORE. BEYOND ROPE, BEYOND FILTHY. I DON'T, WE NEED TO INVESTIGATE OUR OPTIONS FOR TRASH RECEPTACLES. 'CAUSE I DO NOT WANT GO BACK TO THAT. AND THERE'S ONE ACROSS THE STREET FROM MY HOUSE TOO. SAME THING. IT'S GROSS. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS. OKAY. BUT THERE'S A STORY. GO AHEAD. YEAH, THAT'S, UH, THIS BRINGS UP ONE OF MY CONSTANT CONCERNS, UH, UH, IS, UM, YOU GET LOCKED INTO SOMETHING ONCE YOU'VE MADE A DECISION, UM, AND YOU'VE GOT SUNK COSTS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. UM, IT IS A GOOD THING TO TRY EXPERIMENTS. UM, IT LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE TRY THIS EXPERIMENT AND IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE COST EFFECTIVE FOR WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO, YOU KNOW, CROSS CHECK WHAT WE'RE SPENDING NOW ON THE VALUES VERSUS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN SPENDING ON PRIOR CONTRACT. THAT'S THE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, DATA THAT, THAT WILL, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY SHOCK THE CONSCIENCE. BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE. BUT YEAH, THIS, THIS, IT DOES LOOK LIKE IT [00:40:01] IS AN EXPERIMENT THAT ISN'T WORKING OUT THE WAY THAT IT WAS INTENDED TO AND NEEDS TO BE REVISITED. I THINK IT'S KIND OF FUNNY THAT LAST NIGHT THE TROLL'S PAPERS STARTED, WE HAVE A BIG BUILDING THAT'S ALMOST AROUND IN FRONT OF US AND AT THE REQUEST THAT ACTUALLY MY MANAGERS, UM, DROPPED OFF AN EXTRA DISPOSABLE TRASH CAN, YOU KNOW, CARDBOARD WITH A, JUST A TRASH BAG MINE. AND WE STUCK IT OUT THERE, UM, ACTUALLY NEXT TO THE BIG BUILDING. UM, AND WHEN I WAS LEAVING LAST NIGHT, IT WAS, IT HIT ME. THIS WHOLE THING HIT ME. HE WAS LIKE, OKAY, WE HAVE A PROBABLY A DOLLAR 25 TRASH CAN SITTING NEXT TO THIS MERCEDES $20,000 THING. LET'S GO WITH. AND THEY'RE DOING THE EXACT SAME THING. AND ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE NOT EVEN COMPACTING ANYMORE, TO ME THAT'S A TIPPING POINT. WE'RE BUYING BIG BELLIES AND THEY DON'T EVEN COMPACT AND THEY'RE NOT SAVING ON LABOR TO EMPTY 'EM MORE, YOU KNOW, LESS FREQUENTLY. I, I THINK, I THINK WE'VE, THAT HAS US SWUNG TOO FAR WAY. YOU KNOW, I I I REALIZE WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE, RYAN. WE'RE OPENING UP, UH, THE PRETTY FULL CAN OF WORM AND YOU KNOW, I, I NEED INPUT. I'M GONNA ASK, DON'T WORRY. UM, THIS IS AT A CERTAIN POINT SEEMS THIS SEEMS SO SIMPLE. THIS IS, BUT THIS IS A QUALITY OF LIFE THING. THIS IS A LABOR THING. THIS IS AN EXPENSE THING. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT UH, UH, IS TALKED ABOUT AT THE RESIDENTS ASSOCIATION. THIS THING THAT'S TALKED ABOUT FRIENDS OF BELMONT SHORE. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S TALKED ABOUT AT THE BUSINESS ASSOCIATION. AND HERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, OF COURSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT HERE BECAUSE WE APPROPRIATE THE PHONES TO MAINTAIN THESE THINGS. AND AT A CERTAIN POINT, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T DRIVE MY CAR WITHOUT THIS THING. WELL THAT'S PROBLEMATIC ON A NUMBER OF LEVELS. UH, FOR A GUY LIKE ME, I DROPPED INTO THE POOL. THE THING THAT YOU CAN'T GET IN YOUR CAR. MY POINT IS THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT NEVER FAILS IS A HEAT IN THE DOOR. UH, THE CODES AND APPS AND AUTOMATICALLY COMPACTING TRASH CANS THAT COMMUNICATE WITH YOUR, WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING IS LOOKING AT THE EASIEST SOLVE. AND THAT'S A GARBAGE CAN. NOW I KNOW THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM PEOPLE GOING THROUGH AND DOING ALL THAT, BUT HERE'S, THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF THE CONVERSATION AND THIS IS A BIG DEAL BECAUSE THIS IS AN ONGOING BIG DEAL. UH, SO I THINK WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT SOME ALTERNATIVES. MM-HMM . SO WHAT, WHAT EXACTLY WAS THE PROBLEM WITH THE GOING THROUGH CONVERSATION WAS WHEN, WHEN RECYCLABLES BECAME A BUSINESS, UH, IN ORDER TO GET TO THE ALUMINUM CAN BOTTLE, GARBAGE CAN, UH, TO CAPTURE THAT NICKEL, UH, EVERYTHING ON TOP OF IT'S GONNA END UP. SO HOW DO WE ITEMS IN THE GARBAGE CAN? AND THAT WAS HAPPENING A LOT. IT'S HAPPENING ENOUGH. UM, OR HOMELESS PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING TO EAT OR WHATEVER IT IS. , YOU COME UP WITH THIS BIG, THAT CHOPPED OFF. SO THAT MITIGATES THAT PROBLEM. BUT IT OPENED UP AN INCREDIBLE HOST OF OTHER ISSUES, WHICH IS THESE BIG BES DON'T COST 12,000 AT THE END OF THEIR ECONOMIC LIFE COST 20,000 AND IT TAKES FOREVER. AND WE'RE ANY REASON FIRST THERE'S, WE'RE ALL SAME WAY. LET'S JUST GO BACK TO THE TRADITIONAL DRIVER BECAUSE THAT'S NOT EXPENSIVE. YEAH. I MEAN IT WILL INVOLVE, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL COST OF MERCEDES BENZ. THEN YOU, YOU'RE ANSWERING YOUR OWN QUESTION. UM, HOW, I'M CURIOUS HOW OFTEN THE BIG BUILDINGS HAVE TO BE E EMPTY. ASK THAT QUESTION. HOW OFTEN DO THE BIG BUILDINGS ? EVERY DAY. EVERY DAY [00:45:01] AND TO UM, BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO INTO IT. YEAH. ONE, THEY ACTUALLY, I THINK ONE OF THE ISSUES IS THEY TOOK ONE AND SO NOW INTO LINE. YEAH. AND WALKING THE SHORE THIS MORNING I FOUND ONE, UH, I THINK OVER BY PARK AVENUE ON IT'S OUTSIDE THE STREET WHERE I NOTICED A PERSON ACTUALLY CROW GUARDED. SO YOU COULD TELL LIKE IT IS NOW SLAM, YOU CAN STILL LOCK IT, BUT YOU CAN TELL THAT IT'S LIKE A GAP LIKE IN THE MIDDLE NOW. OKAY, SO, UH, LET'S GO AHEAD. I JUST WANTED TO ASK YOU, WHAT KIND OF RECEPTACLE WOULD YOU RECOMMEND I WOULD HAVE TO INVESTIGATE THAT? 'CAUSE I WAS ACTUALLY OUT HERE FOR A LONG TIME WHEN WE HAD A LARGE CONCRETE RECEPTACLE. AND I, AND I REMEMBER THE ISSUES WE HAVE IN DEALING WITH THOSE. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE APPEALING TO THE EYES. SOMETHING THAT CAN BE MAINTAINED. UM, SOMETHING WE CAN, WE CAN INVESTIGATE. I'M JUST CURIOUS. I THINK LOTS OF PEOPLE GETTING STARTED TESTING. UH, AND SO THE, UH, SO THE SOLUTION BEGINS ULTIMATELY, UM, WELL WE WOULD HAVE TO INITIATE THAT PROCESS. WE ARE, WE ARE GOING TO HEAR IT, WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS IT, WE'RE GOING INVESTIGATE IT. AND WE'RE GONNA ULTIMATELY , UH, TO CITY COUNCIL AND THEY WILL MOTION ORDER, UH, TO PUBLIC WORKS. ALL OF THIS WILL PROBABLY, SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE A MOTION, WE HAVE A SECOND. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO AT LEAST A TOP LINE LOOK AT OR EITHER THROUGHOUT THE CITY? 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE DO AS FAR AS ARE THERE BIG BES AND OTHER PARTS OF WHAT'S BEING USED IN OTHER TYPES OF PERCEPT? THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK INTO. I KNOW THAT THIS IS THE ONLY AREA THAT DOES ONLY BUILDING IS I THINK FOURTH STREET HAS ONE OR TWO. UM, BUT DOWNTOWN, I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE ANY. THEY DO. THEY DO. YEAH. YEAH. OH THEY DO. OKAY. POSSIBLE THE PARK. EVERYONE HAS. OKAY. YEAH, THE CEMENT, THE OLD CEMENT. OH, WHEN YOU SAY NEXT, WHAT'S THE ALTERNATIVE BUILDING? BIG BUDDIES ARE BIG USE DOWNTOWN. IS THERE SOMETHING I'M CHI IN? I WASN'T SUPPORTING THE TEAM BUT UM, PART OF THE MIX THAT WE HAVE AROUND TALENT ALSO MAKES THE CLEAN TEAM USES. THEY DIRECTLY OPERATE AND IT LOOK LIKE THE RESIDENTIAL. SOMETIMES IT'S LONG, WHAT I CALL THE FOUR WAY BINS OF HAS THEIR ISSUES BECAUSE THOSE ARE LIGHTWEIGHT AND THEY GET TIPPED OVER AND DONE. IT IS, IT'S ALMOST LIKE YOU GOTTA CONS, PROS THE MOST. IT'S ALL, THERE'S NOT ONE GOOD ONE. UM, AND I KNOW, UM, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THINGS STAND WITH WITH UH, YOU KNOW, WITH UH, BLOCK BY BLOCK GETTING STARTED. I THINK THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO START SOMETIMES. YEAH, AL OKAY. UM, SO YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE DOING UH, UM, BIG BELLY, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S CHANGED OVER THEIR TIME AND MAYBE THAT'S WHY THEY IMPLEMENTED THEM THERE OR THEY WERE THERE ALL ALONG AND THAT MIGHT BE WHAT THEY'RE THINKING IS THE FASTEST FOR THEM TO SERVE. UM, AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I'M SORT FOR WRAPPING UP AND JUST SO YOU, YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND BLOCK BY CLEANING VENDOR START EITHER IN NOVEMBER OR DECEMBER, PAPERWORK THE CITY. SO THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING BE CONSCIENTIOUS OF LIKE MAKE SURE [00:50:01] WE CAN COME UP WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT ALSO UNDERSTANDING THEY MIGHT HAVE THEIR OPINION TOO ALL TO BE TRUE. YOU'RE RIGHT. THE PRO BOTTOM, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE SAYING JESUS, I THINK WE'RE FINALLY AT THE, IT'S PROBABLY WHY THEY WERE DOING THIS IN THAT ONE. SO THEY COULDN'T BE MOVED BECAUSE YOU TWO MINUTE HORSE TO MOVE THAT, THAT'S, THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL THINKING. THAT WAS THE TRADE OFF IT. AESTHETICS AND AESTHETICS OF THE TRASH. TRASH ON THE GROUND AND SHOW WHEN THEY WERE NEW, THEY, I KNOW THEY, THEY LOOK GREAT, BUT NOW THROUGH THE MEANING OF GOD. BUT TO MIKE'S POINT, I THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, EVEN IN HEAVIER SET TYPE BINS, I THINK THERE, THERE ARE MORE OPTIONS NOW THAN THEY ARE THERE NOW. BUT WE HAVE TO KNOW 2025, THAT'S SOMETHING FOR THIS CONVERSATION. YOU WORKING THE CONSERVATION BOARD, THAT'S HOW WE OKAY. YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T HAVE ANSWERS ON THIS ONE. I THINK WE'VE HAD A DISCUSSION FOR SO MUCH. I KNOW LIKE TRANSIT AGENCIES IF, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TAKING TRASH THAT BUS STOPS NOW BECAUSE THEY JUST DON'T, THEY'RE LIKE, THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THIS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY'RE LIKE, I'D RATHER HAVE PEOPLE TAKE THE TRASH WITH THEM BECAUSE WE CAN'T. SO THIS IS, I DON'T, I I MEAN THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A HOME ISSUE ISSUE THAT IT FALLS IN. HAVE BESIDES LIKE WE NEED LESS AND LESS PEOPLE DIGGING THROUGH THE TRASH CANS AND THROWING IT EVERYWHERE BECAUSE IF WE COULD, WE HAVE TRASH CAN UNDER LOCK A KEY AND THEY'RE GETTING BROKEN TOO. LIKE, UM, I THINK FROM OUR SIDE THAT'S HOW WE CAN BE THE MOST HELPFUL IS GET P DOWN HERE AND GET HOMELESS SERVICES. AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE'RE PUSHING ON. I WISH I BETTER FOR ON THAT, BUT, WELL I THINK THAT WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR IS EITHER THIS OR THAT. THIS BE YOU'RE, YOU'RE BRINGING SOMETHING UP THAT YOU JUST FLAT OUT YOU'LL LOSE. CITY IS USING CITYWIDE FOLLOWING INTO UH, A A COLUMN THAT IS UNCHANGEABLE OR YES. UH, I THINK THIS IS GONNA BE INTERESTING TO DISCUSS AND MAYBE IT FLOW THROUGH CITYWIDE AND THERE WILL BE A CHANGE 'CAUSE THE COST DOESN'T MATCH THE THE ISSUE. I THINK IT'S WORTH IT FOR I THINK WE HAVE TO, BUT DEFINITELY WORTH THE CONVERSATION. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. YOU KNOW, I, I THINK, UH, THE COLORADO IS AN INTERESTING ONE BECAUSE WE ORIGINALLY PUT IN DIFFERENT KIND OF TRASH CANS, BUT THEN THEY HAVE CHALLENGES OF PEOPLE BRING KOHL'S IN THERE FROM BOTH OF OUR RIGHT. AND SO LIKE, OKAY, DO WE GO LIKE, SO THAT'S WHERE I THINK WITH THIS, IT'S GONNA BE TRYING DIFFERENT THINGS. UM, AND, AND EVEN IT MIGHT WORK FOR LIKE, AND THEN SOMETHING KEEPS HAPPENING. YOU COULD GET INTO DATA CONSTANT, BUT IT ABSOLUTELY HAS TO HAPPEN. AND ALSO TO BE TRUE, EVERY AREA IS DIFFERENT. EVERY AREA HAS DIFFERENT SOLUTIONS RIGHT THERE SOLUTION. IT MIGHT BE, IT MIGHT BE WORTH IT TO TRY A COUPLE AND THEN SEE WHICH ONES OBJECTIONS. IT'S ABOUT TITLE. I'M COMING, I'M COMING TO JUST THE THOUGHT. OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A LOT OF BIG BELLIES AROUND THE CITY. I MEAN, SO DO WE NOT GET SUN ECONOMIES OF SCALE MEAN FROM, I MEAN WE THINK THAT, I DON'T, WE'RE JUST EXAMINING THAT. DON'T THINK WE'RE, I DON'T THINK WE'RE PURCHASING A, WE'RE NOT PURCHASING A WHOLESALE. IT'S LIKE WHOEVER NEEDS THEM. SO THEY'RE DOING, SO IF YOU'RE DOING RENOVATIONS IN SAY A PARK, YOU'RE BUYING JUST A PARK. OH WE HERE THERE'S GOTTA BE, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO UH, THERE'S NO CONTRACT OUT WHERE THEY'RE BUYING LIKE 200 INIA BECAUSE WE JUST ALL, THAT'S THE ONLY THING I'LL ADD IS UM, JUST WE WERE AWARDED SPEAKER WAITING WORKED OUT FOR US CONCENTRATION AND WE WERE AWARD UM, SOME ADDITIONAL DOLLARS GIVE ABOUT 20% REDUCTION THE PRIOR SIX MONTHS IF THAT HELPS. PROBABLY HAVE AN EXTRA $80,000 IF THAT HELPS. THE, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO DIRECT THAT AND THAT'S BUY MORE. [00:55:04] WE'RE EXPECTING TO HAVE PERIOD REDUCTION THAT HELPS YOU WITH WHATEVER YOU NEED TO DO IN JUST LIKE LAST SURE. RECOMMENDATION BINS. UM, IT MIGHT SOUND BACKWARDS, BUT IF YOU, WHATEVER UM, LIKE SYSTEM YOU USE OR OPEN BIN ORCYCLE RIGHT NEXT TO IT. IT SEEMS LIKE PREVENTING HOMELESS PEOPLE FROM TAKING CANS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO, BUT WE CAN AT LEAST PREVENT THE TRASH FROM ENDING UP ON THE FLOOR. YEAH. UM, SO IF YOU HAVE THE RECYCLE OPEN NEXT TO IT, THEN IT'S JUST TO BE RECYCLING ON THE FLOOR, SUPPOSED TO TRASH BEING ON THE FLOOR. THAT'S IF THEY GET OUR NEEDLES AND KNIVES. WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT'RE NOT TRYING TO BE FUNNY. I UNDERSTAND. WE JUST WANT THE RECYCLING TO HAPPEN. YES. SO THEY WANT TAKE IT AND GET THE RECYCLING AND IT CAN HAPPEN IN A WAY THAT IS CIVIL AND CLEAN. I'D RATHER HAVE BILLS THAN $12,000. UM, OKAY. UM, WE HAVE A THANK YOU REPORT. APPRECIATE IT. MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND. WE HAVE A REPORT COMMISSIONER COMMENTS. I THINK THIS RAISES A BIGGER ISSUE, WHICH IS THAT THE SHORE SIDE STREET NEEDS A MANAGER BECAUSE THINGS ARE ALL DIVIDED UP. SO JEFF KNEW TO CALL THE SBA TO ASK FOR AN EXTRA TRASH CAN. BUT SHOULDN'T THERE BE ONE PERSON THAT IS A MANAGER? HEATHER IS DOES HER BITS. WE DO OUR BITS. YOU DO YOUR BITS. BUT IF THERE'S SOMEBODY, IF THERE'S A BUSINESS MANAGER, NOTICE WHICH TRASH CANS ARE FILLED. NOTICE WHICH BUSINESSES ARE FILLING THE TRASH CANS WITH THEIR OWN TRASH RATHER THAN PUTTING IT OUT AND COULD ACTUALLY THEN INSTIGATE IF THERE'S AN EVENT THEY COULD SAY, OH THERE'S A VE COMING, WE'RE GOING, YOU KNOW, JEFF KNOWS HE NEEDS SOME EXTRA TRASH CANS OR RESTAURANTS. MOST BUSINESS DISTRICTS I BELIEVE THAT FUNCTION REALLY WELL HAVE A MANAGER. AND I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT THIS LONG. WE STILL DON'T REALLY HAVE. SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING I THINK YOUR WORK, IF YOU TAKE SAME MONEY ON BIG VALLEY, YOU CAN HIRE SOMEBODY YOU TRULY EIGHT 60 KNOWS HAS THERE, YOU KNOW, BUT SOMETHING OF THAT SORT. 'CAUSE HEATHER DOES A LOT OF THINGS BUT NOBODY KNOWS, YOU KNOW, IF THEY SEE A BROKEN TRASHCAN, IF THERE'S A PROBLEM, THEY DON'T KNOW WHO TO CALL. MAYBE THE POLICE, THE COUNCIL OFFICE, WHICH IS TOO MUCH STUFF. THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION. CITY AND PARKING COMMISSION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, ANY OTHER UH, WE HAVE A MOTION? WE HAVE SECOND. ALL ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU GUYS. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. UH, THIS IS THE PART OF THE MEETING WHERE WE GO GENERAL PUBLIC. YOU JUST HAVE MY PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.