* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. AND ABLE TO [00:00:01] SOLIDIFY A LOCATION. AND THEN A TIME DATE, WHICH IS FEBRUARY 12TH, 2025. AND WE ARE CURRENTLY AIMING FOR ABOUT 20 OR MORE VENDORS AND BOOTHS. AND SO THESE BOOTHS WOULD BE INCLUDING JOB, UM, IT WOULD BE OPEN JOB LOCATIONS AND EMPLOYERS THAT ARE MILITARY, UH, FRIENDLY. AND THEN ALSO WE ARE LOOKING INTO MENTAL HEALTH RESOURCES FOR VA LOAN, FOR VA LOAN, UM, ASSISTANCE. AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS MENTAL HEALTH FEELING. OH, HOMELESSNESS PREVENTION AS WELL. SO THIS IS ALL IN JUST PREVENTING FOR VETERANS OR SERVICE MEMBERS THAT ARE TRANSITIONING OUT TO HELP THEM WITH THAT TRANSITION. AND THEN ALSO TO LIMIT THEM FROM BECOMING HOMELESS BY FIRST APPLICATION OF JOB ASSISTANCE. UM, SO WE'RE ASKING IF YOU GUYS WOULD BE OFFICIALLY ON BOARD, SO WE CAN PUT YOU ON FOR OUR FLYER, WHICH WILL BE SOLIDIFIED BY NEXT WEEK. AND THEN, UM, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT AS OF NOW. RIGHT. SO WHAT I'M GONNA ADD TO THIS IS THAT FIRST, FIRST OF ALL, ALEXANDRA IS A LONG BEACH PUBLIC FELLOW AND A, ARE YOU, UM, AND A, SHE'S A STUDENT AT CAL STATE LONG BEACH. SO, UM, SHE CHOSE TO DO HER INTERN, HER HER PUBLIC FELLOWSHIP WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT. SO SHE'S WORKING IN PUBLIC HEALTH EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AND WITH US. SO SHE'S PUT OUT FEELERS FOR THIS JOB FAIR. AND TODAY SHE AND I WENT TO, UM, THE PLACE ON AIRPORT PLAZA DRIVE, WHICH IS WORK WORKPLACE. MM-HMM . AND THEY HAVE A FANTASTIC SETUP. SO THERE WILL BE MULTIPLE ROOMS TO USE WITH THE TABLES. SO EMPLOYERS WILL BE THERE, THERE'LL BE A RESUME BAR. UM, I'M JUST HYPING BECAUSE SHE DIDN'T DO IT JUSTICE. HOW GREAT THIS IS GONNA BE . AND, UM, BUT THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM AT THIS PLACE. AND ESSENTIALLY IT, IT WOULD BE A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT AND THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT SPECIFICALLY WHAT USED TO BE CALLED PACIFIC GATEWAY IS NOW THE WORKFORCE INVESTMENT NETWORK. MM-HMM . AND THEN WE'RE THE OFFICE OF VETERAN SUPPORT. SO THE IDEA IS THAT, AND, AND THEY ARE, THEY ARE, THEY'RE DOING, BECAUSE THEY DO A LOT OF JOB FAIRS, IT WAS AMAZING THAT YOU PLUGGED INTO THEM BECAUSE THEY HAVE A FORMULA FOR HOW TO, YOU KNOW, HOW TO, TO REACH, YOU KNOW, A, A MAXIMUM PARTICIPATION, BUT LETTING YOU ALL KNOW, BECAUSE IF YOU KNOW OF ANY EMPLOYERS YOU THINK YOU SHOULD BE, SHOULD BE THERE, OR ANY, UH, RESOURCES LIKE IN, IN HOMELESSNESS, UH, MENTAL HEALTH, UH, ET CETERA, IT WILL MOSTLY BE FOCUSED ON HELPING VETERANS FIND OUT ABOUT EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES. UM, BUT THOSE RESOURCES ARE IMPORTANT AS WELL. SO WE'RE WORKING WITH, UM, WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ON THE FLYER, THE SOCIAL MEDIA THERE IS, THERE WILL BE SOMETHING CALLED A PUBLIC NOTICE, WHICH IS LIKE A PRESS RELEASE, BUT WITHOUT ALL THE JUNK IN IT, AS I CALL IT, LIKE THE QUOTES AND THE, YOU KNOW, ABOUT THE CITY OF LONG BEACH AND ALL THAT STUFF. IT'S A REALLY STRAIGHTFORWARD, WHO, WHAT, WHERE, WHEN, AND WHY. AND BASICALLY WE'RE FILING THE REPORT WITH YOU. OR WE COULD DO A MOTION COULD BE MADE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, UH, WE'RE GOOD WITH BEING THE, THE, THE SECOND ON THE BILL, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND HEALTH DEPARTMENT FOR THIS, UH, EVENT, WHICH WOULD BE ON THURSDAY, APRIL 17TH, FROM 10 TO ONE. WE ARE ALSO LOOKING FOR A LUNCH AND SNACKS SPONSOR. SO IF YOU HAVE THOUGHTS ON THAT, WHAT, WHAT, UM, I THINK, UH, UH, ECO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WILL BE ASKING LIKE FIRE IF THEY CAN DO IT. I WILL BE, UH, DOING SOME BACK CHANNELING WITH THE PORT TO, UH, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE MAIN THING THAT FUNDING WOULD BE NEEDED FOR, IS FOR LUNCH AND SNACKS. THAT'S, THAT'S MIKE. HMM? THAT'S MIKE. WHO'S, WHO'S MIKE WAYNE. OH YEAH. OKAY. SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR THOUGHTS ON THIS JOB FAIR? YES. YEAH. UM, THE OTHER, UH, AREAS OF FOCUS, AGAIN, HOMELESSNESS, MENTAL HEALTH, EMPLOYMENT OF, OF COURSE. AND WHAT WAS THE OTHER ONE? UM, IT WAS HOMELESS PREVENTION. OH, NOT HOMELESSNESS. JUST HOMELESS PREVENTION. OH, JUST SO IT'S HOMELESS PREVENTION. MM-HMM . IT'S FOR MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES. MM-HMM . AND THE VA LOAN. MAYBE THAT WAS IT. THE VA LOAN ASSISTANCE. VA LOAN ASSISTANCE, YES. HAVE YOU CONNECTED WITH LIKE THE LOCAL SSVF GRANTEES? I DO NOT KNOW THAT. OKAY. NO, I HAVE NOT. YOU SHARE THEIR INFO AND THEN, UH, ANTHONY FROM CALVET? NO, I HAVE NOT. REASON WHY IS IN CALIFORNIA, AND THIS GUY KNOWS MORE THAN I DO WITH ANY OF THIS STUFF. BUT THE REASON WHY WE HAVE THE CAL VET LOANS, BECAUSE THE VA LOAN CAPS OUT. RIGHT? OH, FOR CALIFORNIA. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A MORE ROBUST [00:05:01] CAL VET LOAN, THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, BECAUSE YOU MAX OUT A VA LOAN AND YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BUY ANYTHING OUT HERE, YOU KNOW? SO, SO IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO GET THEM IN. 'CAUSE I KNOW CALVET HAS LIKE LITERAL, LIKE WHAT DO, WHO THE PEOPLE THAT DO MORE LIKE BROKERS. LIKE CALVET HAS LIKE ONE STAFF, A COUPLE THAT SPECIFICALLY ADVISE ON LIKE THE VETERAN LOAN AND STUFF LIKE THAT. I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GEOGRAPHICALLY LOCAL TO HERE. IF THEY MOTOR OR SACRAMENTO. BUT ANTHONY WOULD VET WOULD BE ABLE TO PUT YOU IN TOUCH WITH THEM. OKAY. I, AND I WOULD ALSO SAY TOO, UM, UM, WE HAVE A, UH, UM, IN ORANGE COUNTY, AND THIS IS JUST PROBABLY LIKE A RESOURCE TO KIND, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, IF YOU LIKE, IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR EMPLOYERS, IF YOU WANTED LIKE A QUICK LIST MM-HMM . UM, TYRANNY CENTER, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THEM BEFORE IN THE PAST. THEY'RE AN OC MM-HMM . TYRANNY CENTER FOR VETERAN SERVICES, THEY PUT LIKE ON A LOT OF, UM, PROGRAMMINGS AND JOB RELATED, UM, UM, PROGRAMS AS WELL. SO THEY MIGHT BE ABLE, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE SOME REALLY GOOD CONTACTS IN THE ROLODEX THAT CAN HELP AS WELL. OKAY. I ACTUALLY APPLIED TO THEM, SO I DO KNOW MM-HMM . BOB HOPE, PATRIOTIC CALL TO JBS IS A GRANTEE FOR THE, THE VETERAN A JCC. SO LIKE THEY WORK OUT A PATRIOTIC CALL, BUT THEY ALSO TABLE EVENTS AND STUFF TOO. SO LONG BEACH WOULD DEFINITELY BE IN THEIR CATCHMENT AREA FOR THEM. OKAY. THEY'RE THE ONES, LIKE, SPECIFICALLY THEIR ENTIRE OFFICE ONLY HELPS VETERANS WITHIN EMPLOYMENT. OKAY. THANK YOU. WE ARE REACHING OUT. WE ALSO ARE WITH EDD, UM, WHICH IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. WHAT'S THE DEPARTMENT FOR? THE STATE DEPARTMENT FOR THE STATE. AND WE HAVE CONTACT WITH THE VETERAN REPRESENTATIVE DOWN HERE. AND THEN HE ALSO HAS CONNECTIONS WITH ALL THE VA CONNECTIONS TOO. SO THEY KINDA WE'RE KIND OF RESOURCING THROUGH THEM AS WELL. SO IT'S NOT JUST ME. HE'S ACTUALLY REACHING OUT TO A HUNDRED OTHER VA REPRESENTATIVES AS WELL. MM-HMM . SO WE'RE GONNA, HOPEFULLY WE HAVE A CONTACT WHERE IT HAS A QR CODE OR JUST A FORMS AND IT'S GONNA BE MASS PROJECTING. LIKE AS OF NOW, LIKE I HAVE NO IDEA HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GONNA SIGN UP, BUT I HOPE THE BEST. BUT I WILL ALSO PUT TYRANNY DOWN AND BOB HOPE, BUT SO FAR I'VE REACHED OUT ALREADY TO 20 VENDORS AND THEN THAT'S NOT EVEN INCLUDING WITH WHAT EDD VETERAN CENTER IS GONNA BE PUSHING OUT, WHICH COULD BE OVER A HUNDRED, BUT WE'RE ONLY DOING UP TO 30. RIGHT. INCLUDING THE RESOURCE TABLES. PROBABLY WE COULD DO A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR RESOURCE, BUT JUST NOT TO OVERWHELM US BECAUSE WE ARE ONLY GONNA BE FUNCTIONING OFF OF VOLUNTEERS AND THEN, UM, LIMITED SPACE AS WELL. BUT THE MORE THE MERRIER AND THEN WE'RE DOING FIRST COME FIRST SERVE. SO AS LONG AS THEY FILL OUT THAT FORM, WHICH WHAT I, I CAN DO ACTUALLY WOULD, WOULD HELP ME TREMENDOUSLY WOULD BE I WOULD BE SENDING OUT THE EMAIL TO WHICH I ALREADY HAVE TO GINA WITH THE FORM AND WE'VE ALREADY CREATED IT AND THEN SHE'LL SEND IT TO YOU GUYS TOO IF YOU WANT TO HELP. IS THAT OKAY? IS THIS THE VENDOR FORM, I'M ASSUMING? YEAH. IF YOU KNOW OF A VENDOR AND YOU WANT TO PUSH IT OUT, JUST SEND IT AND THEN CC ME AND, AND ALEXANDRIA. YEAH. AND THEN IT'LL SHOW, THEN, UM, GINA AND I ARE ABLE TO LOOK AT THE FORM AND IT'S GONNA PUT EVERYONE IN EXCEL AND WHAT TIME. SO THEN ONCE PEOPLE START FILLING IT OUT, THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE WE ARE GONNA SELECT. WE MIGHT ACTUALLY HAVE TO LOOK AND SEE A VARIETY AS WELL. WE MIGHT WANNA DO THAT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE THE SAME TYPE OF JOB REPRESENTATIVE OR JUST ONE AREA OF EXPERTISE. WE'D RATHER HAVE A, A VARIETY. AND WHERE'S THE LOCATION AGAIN? I'M SORRY. IT'S GONNA BE AT WORKPLACE, WHICH IS, UM, AIRPORT PLAZA DRIVE. SO LITERALLY RIGHT BEHIND WHERE THE AAA IS AND ALL THAT. OKAY. THAT SAME AREA. I THINK IT, I THINK IT'S 48 11 AIRPORT PLAZA DRIVE. IT'S THE WHOLE FIRST FLOOR. SO IT'S PRETTY, PRETTY NEAT FACILITY. PERSONALLY, THEY NEED A LOT MORE ART ON THE WALLS. IT'S KIND OF VERY INDUSTRIAL LOOKING. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S, UM, I'M, I'M EXCITED AND THRILLED THAT ALEXANDRIA IS, IS IS, UM, GONNA BE MM-HMM . IS, IS LEAD ON THIS JOB FAIR. I'M GONNA SUGGEST THAT ONCE YOU SEND THE EMAIL THAT YOU MAKE A PHONE CALL AND, 'CAUSE THIS IS AN ENROLLMENT PROJECT, YOU NEED TO ENROLL THEM INTO BEING PART OF THIS. 'CAUSE THEY SEE A LOT OF EMAILS. I KNOW I GET HUNDREDS A DAY MM-HMM . AND IT COULD EASILY GET LOST. AND THE CONTACT IS LITERALLY JUST, HEY, THIS IS WHO I AM, THIS IS WHAT I'M UP THERE. JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU GOT MY EMAIL AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, I CAN ANSWER THEM NOW OR WE CAN GO OVER IT RIGHT NOW. AND I THINK YOUR SUCCESS RATE WILL GO WAY UP. MM-HMM . BECAUSE IF YOU JUST, IF YOU WAIT, IF YOU COUNT ON THE EMAILS DOING IT, I'M NOT SURE YOU'RE GOING TO GET THE RESPONSE THAT YOU'RE HOPING FOR. THAT'S [00:10:01] JUST MY OWN EXPERIENCE AND HOW COMMUNICATION CHANNELS WORK. MM-HMM . BECAUSE EACH PERSON RESPONDS DIFFERENTLY. YEAH. IT CAN BE EMAIL, TEXT, PHONE VARIES. YEAH. IT DEPENDS ON THE PERSON. AND I'VE SEEN PEOPLE FIRE ONE AND YOU FIRE ON THE OTHER ONE. THEY RESPOND. SO, SO DO YOU RECOMMEND, BECAUSE SOME OF IT'S GONNA BE EDD TAKING CARE OF IT, BUT I HAVE PUSHED OUT SOME AND I HAVE PUSHED OUT WHERE SOME PEOPLE HAVE CONFIRMED. DO YOU RECOMMEND ME TO SEND TO CALL BEFORE THEY CONFIRM OR IS IT AFTER SEND OUT THE, WHEN YOU SEND IT AFTER YOU'VE SENT IT. MM-HMM . IF JUST CALL 'EM ANYWAYS. JUST IT'S A GOOD TOUCH. OKAY. IT'S ALWAYS A GOOD TOUCH TO HELP LOCK THEM IN. IT GIVES THEM A VOICE. IT GIVES THEM A PERSON, IT MAKES THEM MORE LIKELY TO SHOW UP. YEAH. IT MAKES THEM MORE LIKELY TO WANT TO HELP. SO THAT'S ALL IT'S ABOUT. IT'S JUST KIND OF, IF YOU, IF THEY HAVEN'T SAID YES, IT GIVES YOU A CHANCE TO PUT, GET THEM INTO IT. RIGHT. IF THEY HAVE SAID YES, IT JUST GIVES 'EM A CHANCE TO ASK QUESTIONS AND HOOK THEM IN A LITTLE STRONGER. OKAY. THAT'S A GOOD RECOMMENDATION. I THE CORNER OR TABLE ONLY. SOME ARE GIVING ME THEIR NUMBERS TOO. THAT'S THE ONLY WHY DON'T TALK. THAT'S ONLY THE CAN. ONLY, YOU CAN ONLY DO WHAT YOU CAN DO. MM-HMM . SOMETIMES YOU CAN, YOU CAN STALK THEM ON FACEBOOK AND STALK THEM. THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE TODD TOO FAR. HIT HIM WITH A DM. THAT'S A LITTLE, JUST MY PRIVACY SINCE YOU'RE REACHING OUT ON BEHALF OF THE CITY, NOT STALK. YEAH. YEAH. BUT I, I APPRECIATE THE RECOMMENDATION. AND JUST PLEASE LET US KNOW IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHAT OUR ROLE IS AND, AND IF THERE'S SOME, UM, SOME GAPS THAT YOU KNOW THAT YOU NEED HELP WITH MM-HMM . JUST LET US KNOW. I THINK OUR BIGGEST REQUEST THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR YOU GUYS IS IF YOU KNOW ANYONE FOR MONETARY, LIKE DONATIONS FOR FOOD. THAT IS OUR MAIN GOAL AS OF NOW. 'CAUSE WE'RE RUNNING OFF OF JUST, WE'RE DOING ALL THIS WITH JUST THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE, WHICH IS NOTHING. AND, UM, WE'RE DOING PRETTY GOOD, I THINK. UM, BUT JUST EVEN IF WE GET 200, $300 FOR JUST SNACKS YEAH. AND WE CAN HAVE THAT A LITTLE AREA. THE GOAL, WHICH I WOULD LOVE IS TO SEND OUT, ALSO SAY THANK YOU FOR PARTICIPANTS. THERE'S ALSO LUNCH, WHICH WOULD JUST BE A SIMPLE SANDWICH AND LIKE CHIPS. BUT THAT'S ALSO A FARFETCH. 'CAUSE WE DON'T KNOW. MAY I ASK? AND UM, AND UM, JAMES, YOU CAN PROBABLY SPEAK ON THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT I WOULD RECOMMEND, UM, JANICE HAHN, BECAUSE WE'VE FALL IN HER COUNTY AREA FOR VAN. SO MAYBE SEE IF, UM, IF V IF VAN CAN BE A SPONSOR AND THEN FROM THERE WE CAN GET FUNDING POSSIBLE FROM JANICE HAN'S OFFICE. OKAY. WHO COUNCIL DISTRICT IS THAT? SO, YEAH. UM, I'M SPEAKING LIKE VP, YOU FALL UNDERNEATH HER COUNTY. I'M GOING ONE LEVEL LOWER. OH, I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE IT IS. WHAT, WHAT COUNCIL DISTRICT ARE WE IN RIGHT NOW? BECAUSE IT'S DOWN THE STREET. DO YOU KNOW? ? OKAY. FOURTH. FOURTH. I THINK IT'S SUPER HOT. WHICH, WHICH WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE THIS IS LITERALLY DOWN THE STREET. I THINK IT'S THE SUPPORT. I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE OF THE, UM, THE REDISTRICTING. I THINK SOME OF THE LINES, WE'LL GENERIC THEM BECAUSE THIS USED TO BE MEGAN FURS AREA. REACH OUT TO THE COUNCIL PERSON OR THEIR CHIEF OF STAFF FOR THIS AREA AND SEE IF THEY'LL SPONSOR THAT. 'CAUSE THEY HAVE DISCRETIONARY FUNDS FOR THINGS JUST LIKE THIS. YEAH. THEY HAVE A AND THEY MAY GET A, YOU MAY HAVE TO GIVE 'EM A TABLE, BUT, OH, WELL, . OH. BUT I THINK BETTER, LIKE MORE FUNDING, I THINK BETTER WITH HAVING VPNB SPONSOR MIGHT BE AND THEN GETTING MONEY FOR YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S TRUE TOO. THAT'S TRUE. IT'S FOUR. HEY, YOU REACHED OUT TO ME. IT IS, IT IS FOUR. IT'S DISTRICT FOUR. IT'S FOUR. AND THEN DEPENDING ON WHERE THE BUILDING ACTUALLY IS, IT MAY BE FIVE. OH, OKAY. SO WE ACTUALLY NEED TO SEE THAT ON A MAP. MAP. AND I DO, I DO HAVE THE PARKING FIVE. YEAH, FOUR. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, BECAUSE THEY TAKE THEIR SNACKS BACK. IT WAS ALL FIVE. SORT OF LIKE EAST GERMANY, YOU KNOW, ALL LET'S, LET'S WRAP THIS ONE. YES. SORRY, JUST A QUESTION. I LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT. OH, SINCE THE MONEY, DO YOU HAVE LIKE SOMETHING THAT I COULD SEND TO SOMEONE, EMAIL TO SOMEONE AND SAYS, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING? SURE, SURE. I'VE ALREADY DESCRIPTION ALL OF THAT. MM-HMM . WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPONSOR HELP FEED THE VETERANS? YES, I DID. I'LL HAVE TO TRY TO COME UP WITH SOME, YEAH. AI CHECK. NO, THAT'S PROBLEM'S. A GOOD SUGGESTION TO DRAFT THE LETTER SO WE COULD ASK. YEAH. WE, WE'VE ALREADY PUT TOGETHER SOMETHING WHERE WE MADE A REQUEST OF GUS ACTUALLY AND THE VETERANS DAY COMMITTEE. HE'S, AND UM, SO I'VE ALREADY, WE'VE ALREADY PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER. I'LL JUST UPDATE IT AND SEND IT, SO MM-HMM . WITH THE VENDOR FORM TOO, JUST IN CASE. I KNOW. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. OKAY. DO YOU, UM, ARE YOU OKAY WITH, UH, HANDING OVER THE YEAH, I GAVE IT TO HIM. OKAY. AS SOON CAME IN. , I'M OUTTA HERE. SO [00:15:01] IT'S ALL YOUR, UM, SO DO YOU WANT TO, UH, YEAH, SORRY. SORRY ABOUT THAT, EVERYBODY. I'M, A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON TODAY FOR ME. SO MOM'S, UH, I'M IN HOSPITAL AND ET CETERA. SORRY. SORRY ABOUT THAT. SO HEAD'S NOT A, NOT FULLY IN THE GAME TODAY. ALL RIGHT. WHERE WE AT? SO WE JUST NEED A MOTION TO CLOSE ITEM TWO. UH, MOTION. SECOND. SECOND. WE'VE ALREADY DONE DISCUSSION. ALL THIS IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? ABSTENTIONS. OKAY. I'M SORRY. WAS THAT, WAS THAT THE JUANITA AND NICK SHOW AGAIN? YES, I THINK IT WAS. OKAY. OKAY. THAT WAS ITEM WE 3, 2, 2. OKAY. NOW WE'RE ON THE BIG ONES. THE BANNERS ONE. NO, I WANNA REORDER A LITTLE BIT JUST SO I CAN GET HIM OUT HERE, STEVE. OH, LET STEVE HAVE A CHANCE TO TWO, DID THE COMMISSION HIS MINUTES. SO EVERYBODY'S OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO SLIP OVER TO, UM, WHERE ARE WE AT? OFFICE NUMBER SEVEN. ALRIGHT, SO STEVE, THE, GIVE US A BRIEF UPDATE ON WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THE, AND I'M REALLY SORRY THAT WE CAN'T PROJECT ANYTHING. OH, THAT'S OKAY. NO, I DIDN'T BRING ANYTHING PROJECTABLE OR ANY PROJECTILE, . SO KEN ASKED ME TO COME BY AND, AND GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON OUR PROJECT. AND FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW WHAT I NEED, BUT THAT WE'RE WORKING ON A, A BASH HOUSING PROJECT ON CHERRY, UH, 1400 CHERRY AT 14TH AND CHERRY. AND, UH, THINGS ARE UNDERWAY ON THAT. AND WE GOT A HISTORY LESSON ON THE, UH, ANYBODY ELSE, UH, HISTORY LESSON ON THE, UH, LAND USE FOR THE LAST A HUNDRED YEARS. STANDARD OIL HAD IT ONCE AND, UM, THEY, UH, IN THE 1920S HAD A GAS STATION. I, I DUNNO HOW BUSY IT WAS THEN. BUT IN ANY EVENT, UH, SO WE'VE DONE SOME SOIL TESTING. THERE WERE, DID SOME HISTORICAL RESEARCH. THERE WAS SOME SMALL TANKS, OBVIOUSLY IN THE TWENTIES OR SMALL TANKS. AND, UH, THEY WERE FILLED IN THE EARLY FIFTIES, CEMENTED FILLED AND, AND, AND LET ALONE, SO WE HAD, UH, A CURSORY SOIL TEST. IT LOOKS GOOD. UH, WE'RE DOING THE FINAL SOIL TEST, UH, UH, ON THE 19TH JUST TO IDENTIFY THAT THERE ISN'T ANY SEEPAGE. AND LIKE I SAID, IT'S THE FIFTIES THAT IT GOT, YOU KNOW, IT STOPPED HAVING, UH, GASOLINE IN IT. SO, SO THAT WE'RE, WE'RE MOVING ALONG. AND THEN ONCE WE GET THAT, THEN WE WILL BE, UH, SEEKING THE ARCHITECTURAL RENDERING, UH, ARCHITECTURAL, UH, YOU KNOW, SCHEMATICS ON THAT AND GOING TO THE CITY, TALKING TO THE COUNCIL PERSON, TALKING TO THE MAYOR, TALKING TO THE COMMITTEE, UH, CHRISTOPHER KTZ ABOUT THE PROJECT. AND IN THE MEANTIME, WE'RE WORKING ON BASH FUNDING FOR VOUCHERS, UH, ON THE SITE. AND WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. WE'RE APPLYING FOR GRANTS HERE AND THERE. AND WHAT, WHAT YOU HAVE HERE IN YOUR HANDS NOW IS JUST KIND OF A SUMMARY OF THE PROJECT. UH, JUST TO CLARIFY, TOLD YOU THE LOCATION. AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A HUNDRED UNITS AND, UH, SIX STORY. AND, UH, UH, WE HAVE, UH, UH, ACTUAL SERVICES ON THE FIRST LEVEL. THIS IS NOT JUST HOUSING, IT'S COUNSELING SERVICES FOR THE VETS. IT'S VETERAN SENT, UH, CENTERED. WE'RE NOT SURE IF WE COULD GET A HUNDRED BASH VOUCHERS, SO IT'LL BE COMMINGLED WITH OTHER TRANSITIONAL HOUSING. UH, BUT IT'S GONNA BE VETERAN FOCUSED. AND AS MUCH AS WE CAN, YOU KNOW, IS KIND OF WHERE, WHERE WE'RE WORKING ON THAT RIGHT NOW. SO, UM, ALL ONE BEDROOM, UH, AND WE ARE LOOKING AT MODULAR AND, UH, THAT ENABLES US TO DO THESE, UH, YOU KNOW, PUT THE PROJECT, UH, UP AND RUNNING, UH, IN ABOUT A FOURTH OF THE TIME. UH, THEN, UH, TRADITIONAL CONSTRUCTION, ROGER, WE DO HAVE A BASIC SCHEMATIC, AND THIS IS OBVIOUSLY SUBJECT TO CITY APPROVAL. UH, BUT THESE ARE GOOD SIZE ONE BEDROOMS. AND, UH, AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE, UH, RESIDENTS ENGAGED IN, UH, THE, THE COUNSELING SERVICES TRANSITIONING INTO JOB, UH, HEALTH, WHATEVER, UH, EACH PERSON NEEDS AND HAVE THAT AVAILABILITY. THAT'LL BE A DEDICATED SPACE ON THE FIRST FLOOR. SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. WE THINK THE LOCATION'S PERFECT AND, UH, ONCE WE GET, WE MAKE SURE THAT OUR, OUR SOIL'S GOOD. THEN WE'RE GONNA GET ROCKING AND ROLLING AND, UH, GET THE PLANS AND SPECS UP, UP [00:20:01] TO THE CITY STAFF AND ALSO TO, UH, THE ELECTED OFFICIALS AND GET THEIR SUPPORT. SO, UH, KEN WANTED ME TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THAT. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS IN THIS STAGE OF THE PROJECT? WERE MOST OF YOU HERE WHEN HE PRESENTED IN NOVEMBER? NO. OKAY. MY, MY ONLY QUESTION IS PARKING IS ONLY SEVEN STAFF SPACES. YES. YEAH. RIGHT. RIGHT. NOW, OBVIOUSLY THE CITY'S GONNA HAVE THEIR SAY THEY, UH, AND AS YOU KNOW, AS YOU MAY KNOW, UH, WITH THE STATE MANDATES, IF YOU'RE CLOSE TO PUBLIC TRANSIT, UH, THIS, THE CITY'S REQUIREMENTS FOR PARKING, UH, CAN BE, UH, DRASTICALLY REDUCED OR IN SOME CASES EVEN WAIVED. UM, AT THIS POINT, WE'RE FORESEEING THE, UH, THE RESIDENTS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE AVERAGE RESIDENT MAY NOT EVEN HAVE A VEHICLE, UH, TO, AT THIS STAGE IN, IN, IN, IN THEIR TRANSITION TOWARD, UH, DEFENDER. SO, UH, RIGHT NOW THAT, THAT'S THE GOAL THAT, UH, BASICALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, RELYING ON MASS TRANSIT AND CHERRY, EVAN, YOU KNOW, GOT PLENTY OF THAT. UM, YOU HAD MENTIONED TO ME IN OUR CONVERSATION ABOUT REPORT, ASKING ABOUT A LETTER. YEAH. I MEAN, WHENEVER, I MEAN, THIS IS A PRETTY THIN PIECE, UH, SET OF PAGES, BUT, UM, AND WE'VE GIVEN YOU MORE INFORMATION. BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE, UH, LOOKING, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY FOR LOCAL POLITICAL SUPPORT, BUT WE'RE ALSO LOOKING FOR STATE, UH, AND COUNTY GRANT FUNDS FOR SUPPORTING, YOU KNOW, THE COUNSELING SERVICES AND, AND THE, AND THE BASHING, UH, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO HAVING SOME LEVEL OF, UH, WRITTEN SUPPORT BY YOUR COMMISSION, I THINK WILL HELP, UH, OPEN DOORS AND GET APPROVALS AND GET THE PROJECT GOING. SO ANYTHING IN THAT PATH, UH, WE, WE WOULD BE, WE'D BE INTERESTED IN PURSUING THAT WITH A COMMISSION. I WAS THINKING MORE OF A LETTER IN CONCEPT, SINCE WE DON'T HAVE DETAIL THEN, DO WE PUT SOMETHING IN CONCEPT? I JUST WANTED TO, UM, AGAIN, THANK YOU, UM, FOR PROVIDING US WITH ANOTHER UPDATE ON THIS. THIS IS, THIS TYPE OF PROJECT IS VERY NEAR AND DEAR, UM, TO MY HEART AND OF THE CITY. UM, PRETTY MUCH LIKE IN LINE WITH SOME OF THE INITIATIVES THAT THE CITY HAS FOR HOUSING AS WELL. SO, UM, AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME FOR UPDATING US ON THAT. UH, AND I JUST WANTED TO KNOW, 'CAUSE WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, UM, THE NEXT STEPS, BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, GOING TO, UM, THE CITY. BUT IS THERE, UH, ONCE YOU COME BACK WITH YOUR, I THINK YOU SAID LIKE THE SOIL, THE RESULTS FROM THE SOIL TESTING AND THEN THE ARCHITECTURAL RENDERINGS MM-HMM . AT, UM, AT WHAT TIME WILL YOU PRESENT THAT PROJECT TO THE PLANT INFORMATION? WELL, OKAY, SO THE, UM, SO THE, THE, THE STEP IS FEASIBILITY, AND THAT'S SOIL, UHHUH, . SO SOIL, ONCE SOILS THAT GO, AND THEN WE'RE CLEAN, UH, THEN WE GET OUR ARCHITECTURAL PLANS AND SPECS, INCLUDING A RENDER. AND, UH, THEN THAT'S WHEN WE GO TO THE CITY TO GET A PRE PRE-APPROVAL. IT'S A PLANNING APPROVAL IS WHAT IT'S, SO THEN WE WOULD BE DEALING WITH STAFF FIRST WHEN THEY'RE ADEQUATELY FEEL LIKE WE'VE GOT ALL OF OUR BOXES CHECKED. THEN WE'LL BE ON COMMISSION AGAIN. SO PLANNING STAFF, UH, AND THEN PLANNING AGENDA. SO IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE, UH, SOIL TEST IS TO GO KNOCK ON WOOD, THEN, UM, THEN WE GET THE, UH, PLANS AND INSPECT. WE'LL PAY FOR THE PLANS AND SPECS NEEDED TO GO TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, AND THEN ULTIMATELY PLANNING COMMISSION. SO THAT'S OUR FLOW SIMULTANEOUSLY. AND IT'S IN ADDITION, CONCURRENTLY WITH BUILDING, WE'RE TRYING TO GET OUR, UH, VOUCHER POSITIONS IN PLACE. MM-HMM . AND THEN ANY, ANY AND ALL GRANT PROGRAMS THAT WE COULD GET, BECAUSE THAT MAKES THE PROJECT PENCIL ALL THE BETTER. SO WE'VE GOT MULTIPLE PASS. BUT IN TERMS OF GETTING PLANNING, COMMISSION APPROVAL, ONCE WE'RE IN SOIL, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA PAY FOR WHAT WE NEED TO GET, UH, TO, UH, GET THE ARCHITECTURAL PLANTS AND SPECS IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING STAFF. AND, AND WHILE WE'RE, WHILE WE'RE ENG ENGAGED, UH, UH, PRIOR TO DAVE WANTED TO KNOCK ON THEIR DOOR. AND ONCE WE HAVE A RENDERING, THAT'S WHEN WE WANT THE PUBLIC ELECTED SUPPORT. WHEN WE COME TO CHRISTOPHER'S DOOR, SAY, HI, THIS IS OUR PROJECT AND SO ON. WE'D ALREADY HAVE, WE WILL HAVE WANTED IT PERHAPS WITH YOUR, YOUR COMMISSION TO, UH, INTRODUCTIONS IF NOT SITTING WITH, UH, TO MEET WITH THE, THE LOCAL COUNCIL PERSON TO GO OVER THE RENDERING AND THE CONCEPT. [00:25:01] CONCEPT. AND, UH, AND THEN AT THE SAME TIME, ALSO DO THE SAME THING WITH CONNOR. UH, THAT'S THE LEAD DEPUTY FOR, UH, REX RICHARDSON, MAYOR RICHARDSON ON, UH, ON TALKING ABOUT THIS CONCEPT AS WELL. HE'S GOT A GENERAL IDEA OF IT'S COMING. UH, BUT THEN ONCE WE HAVE A RENDERING, THEN IT'S ALWAYS EASIER TO TALK TO THE PUBLIC ELECTED FOLKS ABOUT THAT. SO THREE PATHS, YOU KNOW, ADMINISTRATIVE, ELECTED, AND THEN, AND THEN THE, UM, UH, AND THEN THE, UH, GRANT AND, UH, ENTITLEMENT FOR VOUCHER. OKAY. AND I THINK, UM, THANK YOU FOR THAT. AS WE HAD DISCUSSED BEFORE, I THINK KNOWING THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVING THAT TIMELINE OR KIND OF HAVING SOMETHING MM-HMM . PRESENTED BEFORE, YOU KNOW, AS A BODY THAT WE CAN EITHER DISCUSS TO SUPPORT YEAH. YOU MAY PRESENT US JUST BEFORE YOU GO TO THEM. ABSOLUTELY. AND THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO PUT A LETTER ON, THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO PUT A COVER LETTER ON TOP OF IT. IF WE, IF WE'RE IN AGREEMENT, WE CAN SAY, WE AS THE COMMISSION SUPPORT THIS PROJECT, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. 'CAUSE THEN YOU'RE GOING FORWARD SAYING, HAVING LET US VET IT FOR THEM A BIT. CITIES, YOU KNOW, THEIR OFFICIALS VETTED IT, THE COMMISSION LOOKED AT IT, WE LIKE IT. THEN IT GOES TO THE ELECTED OFFICIALS ABOVE US. THAT'S PART OF OUR INTRODUCTION. ASIDE FROM BEING AN INTRODUCTION TO YOU. OH, WE DON'T WANT TO GET AHEAD OF YOU. WE, OH, NO, NO. THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SIDE BY SIDE. YEAH. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN LIKE, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, AND I THINK WE'RE RIGHT. OH, NO, IT HELPS THE CAUSE. SO YOU BET. YEAH. IT HELPS. SEE, THEY THEN THEY SEE THAT THE PEOPLE, THE, THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE PEOPLE HAVE LOOKED IN A PART OF THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS. AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN DONE IN, YOU KNOW, IN THE DARK. DO YOU, WHAT, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE TIMELINE IS ON THAT RENDERING AND THE LETTER KIND OF THING? WELL, YOU KNOW, SO THEY, THEY'RE GONNA TAKE ABOUT TWO WEEKS AFTER WE GIVE 'EM MONEY, . AND WE'RE GIVING THEM MONEY AFTER THE SOIL IS A GO. SO WE'RE PROBABLY ABOUT A WEEK, UH, PROBABLY TAKE FIVE DAYS AFTER THE 19TH TO KNOCK ON WOOD, GET THE GREEN LIGHT FOR THE DIRT, AND THEN WE'LL IMMEDIATELY, UM, YOU KNOW, SO PROBABLY THE SECOND OR THIRD WEEK OF MARCH AS I'M JUST THINKING THROUGH IT, UH, STANDING, UH, SO ABOUT SECOND OR THIRD WEEK OF MARCH, AS LONG AS WE GET THE SOIL DONE, AND THERE'S NO, UM, ADDITIONAL DIGGING, PUN INTENDED, ON THE SOIL THAT, UH, THAT WE'LL GO STRAIGHT TO PLANTS FAST. YEAH. UM, AND, AND ALSO CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, TO ADD AND JUST MAKE A SUGGESTION THAT, UM, ALSO WORKING WITH THE, I THINK IT'S LIKE THE HOMELESS COMMISSION AS WELL, TO KIND OF DO IT LIKE IN PARTNER, YOU KNOW, IN PARTNERSHIP, BECAUSE IT'S REALLY PART OF THEIR, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT SEEM LIKE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF BEING OUTTA LINE WITH THE, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF THE COMMISSION BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A, A HOUSING OR HOMELESS COMMISSION AS WELL IS, AND IT'S JUST A SUGGESTION DOING IT, UM, IN PART, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THEM, EVEN IF IT'S, UH, SPEAKING AT THE PLANNING, AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, YOU KNOW, IN SUPPORT OF HOUSING. OR MAYBE WE DO THIS, WE COULD DO, UM, SINCE IT'S NOT GONNA BE QUITE READY NEXT MONTH IN MARCH, 'CAUSE OF TIMING YEAH. THAT WE INVITE YOU BACK TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ON IT NEXT MONTH. AND THEN WE ALSO INVITE THE, A MEMBER OF THE HOMELESS COMMISSION TO COME TO OUR MEETING. YEAH. SO THEY CAN GET MEET AND BECOME FAMILIAR, A LITTLE BIT FAMILIAR WITH WHAT'S COMING. MAYBE THAT'S A WAY TO BOARD TO BOARD, YOU KNOW? MM-HMM . WE THROW AN INVITATION TO ONE OF THEIR, ASK THEM TO SEND A BOARD MEMBER OF WHOEVER THEY'D LIKE TO CHOOSE FOR A COUPLE. COME ON DOWN, WHOEVER THEY'D LIKE TO SEND, WHOEVER WANTS TO COME AND THEY CAN BE PART OF THE CONVERSATION. YEAH. AND HEAR WHAT THEY HEAR, WHAT'S COMING. SO AGAIN, LIKE THEY, THEY AREN'T SURPRISED EITHER. YEAH. BUT IF YOU WOULD HAVE, YOU WOULD HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE AT THAT TIME. OH YEAH. I, I WILL. I MEAN, I COULD COME TO YOUR NEXT, UH, SEVERAL MONTHS OF MEETINGS TO GIVE YOU A CLEARER IDEA. SAME BACK TIME. SAME THAT JOHN. YEAH, EXACTLY. AND I'LL, UH, I'LL GIVE YOU A HEADS UP WHEN THE DIRT IS GOOD. AND THEN YEAH. AND THEN CONFIRM THE ARCHITECT'S TIMETABLE. YEAH. UH, OBVIOUSLY WE'LL, THEY KNOW ENOUGH AND THEY'RE READY FOR US. SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'VE GOT A COLD PROPOSAL. THEY ALREADY HAVE THE PROPOSAL, WE'RE ABOUT TO DO IT. AND THEN WE FOUND OUT WHAT THEY WERE UP TO A HUNDRED YEARS AGO ON THE LAND. SO IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE HITTING THE PROPOSAL CODE. WE'VE ALREADY PICKED OUR ARCHITECT. THEY HAVE THE GENERAL SCOPE OF WORK. SO IT MAY NOT TAKE, IS IT MORE THAN A WEEK? SO, I MEAN, KNOCK ON WOOD, THIRD, THIRD WEEK IN, UH, SECOND TO THIRD WEEK IN MARCH, WE SHOULD HAVE AT LEAST THE CONCEPTS. MAYBE NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT FOR THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO GEAR UP, BUT ENOUGH TO HAVE COMMUNITY, IF YOU WILL. UM, [00:30:01] A CONVERSATION. AND OVERVIEWS. AND RENDERINGS. RENDERINGS ARE, YOU SPEAK A THOUSAND WORDS, . OKAY. COOL. ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OTHER, ANYBODY ELSE? MOTION. MOTION TO FILE MOTION. SECOND. I'M GONNA PUT JUANITA AND ANTOINETTE ON ALL THAT. OKAY. OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? THANK YOU FOR COMING. OH, YOU'RE WELCOME. NO, WE WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND INTEREST IN THIS. AND I, I KNOW YOU'LL, WHEN WE SUCCEED, YOU GUYS WILL BE A BIG REASON WHY IT DOES. SO WE, WE, WE WANT YOU AROUND EVERY STEP OF THE WAY. THANKS, DAVE. I, I KNOW ABOUT A LUNCH THAT'S COMING UP IN A JOB FAIR. YOU MIGHT WANNA SPONSOR THAT. MAYBE YOU OH, I HEARD THAT. YEAH, NO, I CAN TALK ABOUT, UH, THE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT VA LOANS. WE WE'RE ONE OF THE, OH, WE'RE THE OTHER, WE'RE THE ONLY COMPANY I'M AWARE OF THAT DOES VA UH, RENOVATION LOAN. SO THEY COULD BUY FIXERS, FORECLOSURES, BUY PROPERTIES AS IS AND FINANCE THE REPAIRS. YOU HAVE A CARD? YES. DOES STEVE HAVE A CARD? DOES STEVE BETTER HAVE A CARD? UM, WHICH ONE HERSCHEL MAKE? WILL YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE? YEAH, STEVE, IF I CAN HAVE ANOTHER ONE TOO, THAT'D BE GREAT. THANK. YES MA'AM. THANK YOU. YEAH, GO AHEAD. HELLO EVERYONE. AND IF WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, WE CAN MAKE THAT RIGHT? YEAH, ABSOLUTE. AND PLEASE FEEL FREE TO SIT AT THE TABLE IF YOU WOULD LIKE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. WE'RE GOOD. THANK YOU. THANKS SO MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, STEVE. THANK YOU. HELLO, EVERYONE. MY NAME IS HERSCHEL HYMAN, NAVY VETERAN, AND I LIVE IN, UH, NORTH LONG BEACH. UM, BASICALLY LONG BEACH AND MARKET. COOL. SO I HEARD ABOUT THE COMMISSION AND JUST CAME TO CHECK IT OUT. CHECK OUT LONG. GOOD. I, I WAS 60 LEWIS FOR FIVE YEARS, AND I THINK THIS MAN KNOWS, KNOWS YOU OVER HERE. UH, HE LOOKS GOOD. HE USED TO CALL ME FAT BOY AND HE FIRED ME. . OKAY. HER'S BEEN, I LIKE YOU NOW. . HE DIDN'T FIRE ME. SEL IS, UH, THE, UH, PROGRAM MANAGER FOR, UH, SD TWO, UH, NATIONAL VETERANS FOUNDATION OUT . GREAT. WELL, WELCOME FROM, IS THAT, IS THAT, THAT'S STILL THE SAME DISTRICT OR, RIGHT. OR LONG BEACH IS ST FOUR. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. AND HE EMAILED THE VETERANS@LONGBEACH.GOV SAYING, HEY, WHAT'S UP? WHEN'S YOUR MEETING? AND I DIDN'T SEE IT AND DIDN'T CIRCLE BACK TO IT TILL A LITTLE BIT LATE. AND I WAS LIKE, HEY, YOU KNOW, COME ON OVER. SO HE'S, HE'S VISITING US, SO THAT'S WHY WE ALL NEED TO BE ON OUR BEST BEHAVIOR. MM-HMM . SO WHERE ARE WE NOW? WHAT'S NEXT? UM, IS, IS TIM HERE BY CHANCE OR NOT? NO, BUT I WILL DO THAT ITEM. WE ARE NOW MOVING TO, WELL, YOU'RE HERE. SO I WAS JUST LOOKING AT WHO'S HERE FOR TIMING AND WHY. OKAY. SO THE OTHER ONE WAS GONNA BE LATE, SO I KNOW THAT YOU TOLD ME THAT. MM-HMM . OKAY. SO WE'RE GOING ON TO NUMBER THREE. OKAY. WE'RE GONNA DO THAT FIRST. LET'S GET IT OVER WITH. ALL RIGHT. THERE'S NOBODY WHO NEEDS TO GO, SO. ALL RIGHT. UM, I'M NUMBER THREE. LAST TWO DIGITS, 22, UM, RECOMMENDED TO RECEIVE AND FILE DISCUSSION OF THE VETERANS BANNER PROGRAM. OKAY. UM, WE'VE BEEN WORKING REAL HARD ON GETTING A LOT OF THINGS DONE, MEDIA RELEASE, UM, THE FAQS, THE APPLICATION, THE RULE. THERE'S A LOT TO IT. SO, AND IT'S MAINLY BECAUSE IT IS A CITY THING AND PEOPLE GET UPSET AT EVERYTHING AND COMPLAIN, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU SAW THE LAST ONE AND THERE'RE ONLY 25 LAST TIME AND WE'RE GONNA DO 60. SO WE GOT A LOT MORE PEOPLE TO COMPLAIN. IF YOU LOOK, UM, OVER BY LA LBCC, YOU'RE GONNA SEE SOME BANNERS UP. YES. THAT WAS US. SO WE'VE GOT AN ADDITIONAL FUNDING. SO WE'RE GOING TO ALMOST TRIPLE IT. AND WE'RE GONNA MOVE IT AROUND THE CITY A BIT. WE'RE GONNA HAVE IT IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, WHICH IS ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT THE GROUP HAS BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY ON, IS FINDING A POTENTIAL LOCATIONS. UNFORTUNATELY, THE CITY IS NOT REAL GOOD ABOUT HAVING A SYSTEM TO PROPOSE THEM TO. THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT HANDS AND THEY SPEAK DIFFERENT LANGUAGES AND THEIR COMPUTERS DON'T TALK TO EACH OTHER. SO IT'S INTERESTING ON HOW WE FIND OUT, WE, WE SORT OF GIVE THEM A LIST IN HOPE, PUT IT IN OUR ORDER, AND THEN THEY SAY WHICH ONES WE CAN HAVE . AND THEN AT THE END WE, WE FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO FROM THERE. OKAY. UH, WHEN CAN I ASK A QUESTION? LOOKS, WHEN, WHEN ARE WE GONNA BE READY TO PRESENT THIS TO COMMITTEES? BECAUSE OURS GOT YOU SAID DON'T DO IT. WELL, UM, THAT, THAT IS [00:35:01] ON, ON THE LIST. SO, BUT, BUT BASICALLY I WILL, I WILL, UM, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? HOP TO THIS RIGHT NOW. GO. BASICALLY, THE COMMITTEE HAS PROPOSED DIFFERENT LOCATIONS FOR THE BANNERS AND AS, AS KEN WAS SAYING, IT'S NOT EASY. UM, SO, UH, NICK REACHED OUT TO ME AND I WALKED THE, I WALKED THE STREET ON MONDAY. NO, I WAS JUST ASKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, YOU TOLD US NOT TO PRESENT IT AT GOLD STAR MATTER AT THAT MEETING. WELL, YOU, WELL YOU, WHEN WILL YOU BE READY TO, OH, OKAY. THAT'S LAUNCH. SO YOU'RE NOT YEAH. TO PRESENT IT. OKAY. WE'RE TALKING LAUNCH AND THAT, DO YOU MIND IF I GET INTO THAT? YEAH. OKAY. ALRIGHT. I'D LOVE TO HEAR THE WHOLE STORY. WELL, WELL BASICALLY WE ARE ALLOWED TO DO WHAT THEY CALL INFORMAL OUTREACH NOW. SO YOU CAN LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT A VETERANS BANNERS, UH, UH, PROJECT IS COMING FOR 2025 IN THE SPRING AND TO KEEP GOING TO LONG BEACH.GOV/VETERANS BECAUSE WE CANNOT OFFICIALLY PROMOTE THE PROGRAM UNTIL THAT MEDIA RELEASE DROPS. THAT'S IT. BUT WE, WE CAN'T CONTROL WHAT PEOPLE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY SAY OR DO. AND WE, YOU KNOW, AND WE OBVIOUSLY WANT THE PROCESS TO BE EQUITABLE, SO YOU'RE QUOTE UNQUOTE ALLOWED EVEN BEFORE THE RELEASE COMES OUT TO TELL PEOPLE THAT IT'S, IT'S COMING DOWN THE PIKE, SO TO SPEAK. SO, SO THAT'S ONE OF THE TOUGH PARTS AGAIN. UM, BUT ONCE THE MEDIA RELEASE GOES OUT, THEN SOCIAL MEDIA GOES OUT, THEN, UH, THE WORKSHOPS LIKE RE CONTINUE TO REACH OUT INTO YOUR COMMUNITIES TO ORGANIZE OUTREACH EFFORTS. SO BASICALLY WE'RE LOOKING AT THE MEDIA RELEASE COMING OUT AROUND FEBRUARY 24TH AND MARCH 31ST BEING THE DEADLINE THAT THE NOMINATION FORMS ARE DUE. SO I WOULD LIKE ALL OF YOU TO GET BACK TO ME TO SAY, HEY, I WANNA, I'M, I'M GONNA TAG ONTO THIS EXISTING MEETING THAT THEY HAVE AT AMERICAN LEGION, OR THAT THE LIBRARY'S HAVING SOME SORT OF, YOU KNOW, UH, TUCK YOURSELF INTO THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY GONNA EXIST. YOU DON'T HAVE TO ORGANIZE A MEETING, HEY, LET'S LEARN ABOUT THE VETERANS BANNERS PROGRAM AND IT'S YOUR OWN LITTLE MEETING PLUG INTO SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY IN EXISTENCE. FOR EXAMPLE, JIM IS GONNA PLUG INTO, UM, A CD ONE MEETING WITH MARY ZENDEJAS OFFICE. HE'S ALREADY CON CONTACTED MARY AND HER CHIEF OF STAFF AND SAID, HEY, WHEN'S YOUR NEXT COMMUNITY MEETING? IS IT AROUND THIS TIME? I'LL BE READY. SO HE'LL GO THERE WITH THE POSTERS AND THE, AND THE PAPER FLYERS AND, AND THAT CAN HAPPEN. AS A MATTER OF FACT, I PITCHED IT IN A NEIGHBORHOOD ORGANIZATION ABOUT A WEEK OR SO AGO. AND BASED ON THAT, YOU KNOW, THE MARINE THAT WAS JUST KILLED IN A PLANE CRASH OVER THE PHILIPPINES, ALREADY HAD BEEN CONTACTED ABOUT CAN WE GET AN APPLICATION TO, IS HE FROM HERE TO RECOMMEND? I SAID, WELL, WE HAVE TO WAIT A WHILE. UM, AND JUST TO GIVE SOME, SOME CONTEXT WHY THIS DELAY IS GOING ON WITH THE CITY, THE CITY'S PR DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN SUPPORTING THE CITY OF LOS ANGELES ON THE FIRES. OKAY. THEY'VE GONE IN, IN BOTH PASADENA AND LOS ANGELES ON HELPING OUT 'CAUSE THEY'RE OVERWHELMED. YEAH. SO THEY'VE BEEN LOANING SOME OF THEIR PEOPLE OUT AND SOME OF THEIR SUPPORT TO HELP THEM KEEP AFLOAT. SO THINGS ARE TAKING A LITTLE LONGER THAN THEY NORMALLY WOULD'VE TO GET OUR PRESS RELEASES UP, BUT THERE IS A PROCESS WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH. OKAY. I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE YEAH, WE HAD A MEETING ALL SET UP. YEAH, I KNOW THERE WAS, WE TOLD DON'T DO IT. I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A CONTRACT BECAUSE THE THINGS ARE TAKING LONGER THAN THEY SHOULD. BUT THERE IS A LEGIT, THIS TIME, A, WE CAN ALL PRETTY MUCH AGREE A LEGITIMATE REASON WHY THINGS HAVE SLOWED DOWN A BIT. SO WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT. UM, SO GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY. I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT CONTEXT. NO, THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD. AND, AND, UH, ANOTHER MEETING THAT'S GONNA TAKE PLACE IS THAT LAST WEEK, AND ANTOINETTE HAD REACHED OUT TO CENTURY VILLAGES AT CABRILLO. SO WE TALKED WITH THEM LAST FRIDAY, AND THEY HAVE MULTIPLE TENANT MEETINGS THAT HAPPEN ON THE CAMPUS. SO THEY'RE GOING TO PLUG US INTO EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEIR LITTLE MEETINGS IN, I DON'T MEAN LITTLE, LIKE THEY HAVE SO MANY HOUSING PROJECTS ON THE CAMPUS THAT THEY HAVE TENANT MEETINGS FOR THOSE PROJECTS. SO WE'LL BE, I, I WANT, I JUST WANT TO AGAIN, EMPHASIZE THAT, UM, I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU GUYS TO MARK YOUR CALENDAR WHEN WE GET THOSE DATES THROUGHOUT THE MONTH OF MARCH AT THE CBC ONE OF YOU CAN TAKE ON SHOWING UP THERE WITH THE POSTERS AND THE, AND THE FLYER, THE POSTCARDS THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE PRINTED, UM, AT CVC AS WELL. WE THE, AT LEAST ONE OF THE ORGANIZATIONS, PROBABLY US VETS WILL DO THEIR, DO A LITTLE THING IN THEIR COMPUTER LABS WHERE THEY CAN ACTUALLY ASSIST SOMEBODY WITH DOING THE, THE ONLINE APPLICATION. AND DID YOU TALK WITH THE NET BY ANY CHANCE? YES, I DID. IS SHE GONNA SET SOMETHING UP OR I'LL TALK WITH HER. UM, TALK WITH HER. YEAH. YEAH. BECAUSE THE, THE, THE VIETNAM VETERANS OF AMERICA THING THAT JUST HAPPENED. WHAT AN ANNOUNCEMENT WAS PROBABLY MADE, WE JUST COULDN'T GO INTO DETAIL, [00:40:01] LIKE GET YOUR, HERE'S THE RULES ON HOW TO APPLY AND ALL THAT. BECAUSE WE CAN'T LET ONE GROUP KNOW ABOUT IT SOONER. SO IF I, IF I MAY, WILL WE HAVE, UM, THE APPROVAL FROM THE CITY AND I FORGET THE NAME OF THE ORGANIZATION, WILL WE HAVE THAT, UM, APPROVED IN ENOUGH TIME TO GO OUT INTO THE MARCH? UM, ABSOLUTELY. NEWSLETTERS, LIKE FOR ALL THE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE ONCE THE CITY SIGNS OFF ON IT, THEN IT WILL APPEAR IN ALL OF THE CD. RIGHT. YOU KNOW. RIGHT. THINK ABOUT IT IS THAT ALL OF THAT STUFF IS READY. WE'VE ALREADY DONE A, A, YOU KNOW, SOCIAL MEDIA, WE'VE ALREADY DONE FLYERS, WE'VE ALREADY DONE, UH, ALL THE WEBSITE IS READY TO GO LIVE WITH PHOTOS. I WAS GONNA SHOW YOU WHAT THE, UH, WE, WE JUST LAST NIGHT ON THE, THE, UM, THE FRONT PAGE, OUR LITTLE LANDING PAGE FOR THE VETERANS COMMISSION AND OFFICE SPECIALIST SUPPORT, WE PUT UP A MONTAGE OF THE EXISTING BANNERS MM-HMM . SO EVERYTHING IS READY TO GO. THAT RELEASE JUST NEEDS TO DROP. OKAY. WHEN ARE WE GONNA GET APPROVAL ON, UH, THE STREETS? YEAH, THE POLL. WHEN DOES THAT, HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN? WELL, WHAT I WAS TELLING NICK EARLY, UH, I THOUGHT HE WAS ASKING ABOUT THE POLES, BUT IT, UH, RIGHT NOW WE ARE GOING WHAT THE COM, IF IT'S OKAY FOR ME TO GO AHEAD AND SHARE THIS, KEN, IS THAT WE HAVE 25 POLES THAT ARE UP ON CARSON, RIGHT? MM-HMM . FOR THE 2024 PROGRAM. IT COSTS MONEY TO RELOCATE THOSE FRAMES TO ANOTHER PLACE. RIGHT. AND WE WANNA MAXIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE CAN USE TO, TO GET TO PRINT BANNERS AND PUT THEM IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. SURE. SO IT HAS BEEN PROPOSED THAT WE MIGHT TAKE FIVE OF THOSE BANNERS DOWN AND, UH, SO THERE'S 20 ON CARSON. SO THAT, AND WE HAVE A TOTAL OF 60. SO WE WANNA FIND LOCATIONS FOR 40 MORE BANNERS AROUND THE CITY. AND WHAT I'VE, UM, WHAT THE COMMITTEE HAS CONSIDERED, IT'S PROPOSED A FEW LOCATIONS, BUT UNTIL YOU ACTUALLY WALK THOSE LOCATIONS AND MAKE SURE THOSE POLES ARE NOT TOUCHING WIRES OBSTRUCTED BY TREES. SO, SO WE KNOW WE HAVE CARSON FOR FOR SURE IN DISTRICT FIVE, WHICH IS ON, UM, BETWEEN, UM, LBCC, BETWEEN, WHAT IS IT, UH, CLARK AND WOODRUFF CLARK. RIGHT. ANOTHER LOCATION THAT LOOKS PRETTY GOOD BECAUSE MR. JIM HAS DONE A LOT OF HOMEWORK. IS ST. MARY'S ON ATLANTIC BETWEEN LIKE EIGHTH AND 12TH? SEVENTH AND 11TH? SEVENTH AND 11TH I WAS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SEVENTH AND 11TH OR SECTIONS THEREOF. BUT SEVENTH TO 11TH WE COULD DO 22 OR IF WE DECIDE TO YEAH. OR LESS, DEPENDING ON HOW MANY WE CAN. AND I'D LIKE TO MAKE IT A FRIENDLY COMPETITION. AND IN, IN NICK'S CASE, HE PROPOSED AN AREA IN DISTRICT SEVEN THAT WE'RE GONNA LOOK INTO. BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THOSE POLLS ARE SPOKEN FOR, UH, BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE CABRILLO HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATES AND THESE, THE WEST SIDE PROMISE BANNERS UP. SO I HAVE A FEELING THAT THEY'RE PERMITTED FOREVER AND EVER. YOU KNOW WHAT THE WEST SIDE BANNER PROGRAM IS? I'LL HAVE TO FIND IT. OH, WEST SIDE PROMISE. DID I SAY WEST SIDE BANNER PROMISE? DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS? I HAVE NO IDEA. UH, I'VE LIVED THERE MY WHOLE LIFE AND I, YEAH, WHAT'S THE, IF ANYBODY WANTS TO FILL IN WHAT THE WEST SIDE PROMISE IS, THEY'RE WELCOME TO. SO, SO PLEASE, YOU KNOW, STEP UP AND I, I'VE JUST BEEN RESEARCHING ONE, AND I THINK IT MIGHT MAKE A NICE TRIANGLE FOR US OF AREAS IS BELLFLOWER ALONG THE VA FROM SEVENTH TO AON. IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE ONE SIDE ONLY FOR A GOOD DISTANCE OF IT. 'CAUSE THERE ARE NO LIGHT POLES ON THE WEST SIDE. YEAH, BUT THEY'RE ALL ON THE VA. SO WE'RE ACTUALLY HUGGING THE VA WITH BANNERS ALL THE WAY TO ATHERTON. AND MOST OF THEM ARE CLEAR. I HAVEN'T RUNNING 'EM. AND THERE'S A, THERE'S A BUNCH. SO WE WOULDN'T MAYBE HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY TO ATHERTON, BUT WE'VE STARTED AT SEVENTH AT THE VA, SO WE KEEP THIS CLOSE TO THE VA AS POSSIBLE. SO THEN WE HAVE IT, IT MAKES US ONE ON THE DOWNTOWN KIND OF SIDE WITH ST. MARY'S. IT MAKES US ONE IN THE CENTER OF THE CITY WITH LBCC. YES. AND THEN IT MAKES US ONE DOWN BY THE VA. SO WE'VE KIND OF MADE A GENERAL COVERING OF THE CITY, BUT THEY'RE VERY VIS BES IS VERY VISIBLE AND IT GETS US TO THE VA. I'M GONNA LOOK FOR THE WEST SIDE TOO. THERE MAY BE RURAL OR SOMEWHERE. YEAH, SOMEWHERE OVER THERE. I'D LIKE TO RIGHT. GET HERE FULL STAR MANNER. YEAH, NO, I GOT IT. RIGHT. AND I SENT, I SENT YOU AND, AND RYAN AN EMAIL TO FIND AN ALTERNATE LOCATION BECAUSE IT'S PRETTY LIKELY THAT IF THERE'S ALREADY BANNERS THERE, THERE, THAT THEY'RE JUST GONNA REPLACE THEM IN THE SPRING WITH, UH, THE 2025 CABRIO HIGH GRADUATES. YEAH. SO I, SO I ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO THOSE TWO THINGS. AND THE ONE THING TO LOOK AT ON THE BANNER REPLACEMENT THING THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, WHERE THEY'RE CHARGING US TO MOVE THEM, I WOULD CHALLENGE THEM BACK THAT WHAT'S THE COST TO NOT MOVE THEM, BUT JUST TAKE DOWN THE HARDWARE AND CHARGE US FOR A NEW BANNER AND A NEW BRACKET OVER HERE. THE IDEA OF THEM TAKING THIS, THIS [00:45:01] OLD NASTY BRACKET OFF OF HERE AND CHARGING ME TO TRANSPORT IT AND PUT IT BACK UP OVER HERE MAKES NO SENSE TO ME. WELL, WE'VE ALREADY PAID FOR THAT BRACKET. LIKE IT'S OURS. BUT I'M SAYING IS THEY HAVE A FLAT FEE FOR PER PER BRACKETED. THEY, THEY HAVE A FEE THEY CHARGE US AS A BRACKETED UNIT. MY COST MORE TO MOVE IT THAN TO BUY A NEW ONE. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. YEAH. THAT'S MY QUESTION. I COULD BE WRONG. I COULD BE RIGHT. OKAY. THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE QUESTION. 'CAUSE IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN IT OPENS IT UP. BUT WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME. SO MAY JUST HAVE TO THIS YEAR LEAVE IT AS IT IS JUST FOR TIME CONSTRAINT. THEN SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA USE THIS ONE, THIS ONE, THIS ONE, AND WE CAN TRY TO DO BETTER NEXT YEAR. YOU KNOW, WE'LL TRY, TRY TO CHANGE IT NEXT YEAR IF WE WANT. AND WE HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THE BANNER COMPANY. SO I'LL ASK THEM YEAH. OF THE SIX OF ONE, HALF DOZEN OF THE OTHER THING. AND MAYBE WE, YOU KNOW, KEEP IT TO THREE 20. IT'S JUST TO MAKE IT SIMPLE THIS YEAR, YOU KNOW, I'D LOVE TO HAVE MORE LOCATIONS MYSELF. I'VE GOT SOME OTHER IDEAS, BUT I'M JUST GONNA LET IT GO AND GO, OKAY, LET'S FOCUS ON GETTING IT DONE. 'CAUSE WE'RE GET, WE'RE STARTING TO WITH IT, PUSHING BACK. I WANNA PUT MORE OF MY TIME AND EFFORT IN GETTING PEOPLE TO SIGN UP AND GOING TO PLACES TO GET PEOPLE TO SIGN UP SO WE CAN HAVE A REAL, YOU KNOW, NICE POOL OF PEOPLE. A REAL WIDE SWATH. A REAL DIVERSE YES. I'M USING THE D OF DEI DIVERSE. I HAVE REAL PROBLEM WITH THE DI LIKE THE I LET'S INCLUDE THE, SO IF WE MAKE, SO THE ACTION ITEMS, UH, LOOK FOR LOOK FOR LOCATIONS. YEP. SPREAD THE WORD. RIGHT. DO OUTREACH. MM-HMM . AND THEN WHAT WAS THE OTHER ONE? WELL, IF YOU SPREAD THE WORD IN YOUR OWN COMMUNITY AND THIS AND THAT, BUT IF YOU HAVE AN ACTUAL RELATIONSHIP WITH A VETERANS ORGANIZATION OR A, A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION OR WHATEVER, OR PLUG YOURSELF INTO A, A MEETING THAT THE COUNCIL PERSON IS DOING, FIND OUT WHAT THOSE MEETINGS ARE AND, AND, AND SAY, HEY, WE WANNA BE THERE TO PRESENT ON, ON THIS THING. SO WE NEED MORE OUTREACH IN THE COMMUNITY. IT'S CALLED TONIGHT AT SIX O'CLOCK IN BELMONT HEIGHTS. OKAY. TOO BAD ABOUT THAT. I'M SORRY. YEAH. OKAY. SO, SO LET'S GO BACK TO THE DATE AND TIMES AGAIN REAL QUICK, JUST SO WE'RE ALL CLEAR MM-HMM . YEAH. THE DATE THAT IT'S, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO, WELL, THE OFFICIAL LAUNCH DATE SHOULD BE LIKE WHAT DATE? THE RELEASE IS SUPPOSED TO COME OUT NO LATER THAN THE 24TH OF FEBRUARY. OKAY. SO I HOPE IT CAN COME OUT SOONER. SO LIGHT YOUR CANDLES, DO YOUR, YOUR ROSARY BEANS. SO THAT'S MONDAY. YEAH. SO THAT'S THE MONDAY. SO OFFICIAL LAUNCH DATE WOULD BE THAT DATE. 24TH, FOURTH SOONER. YES. SO LET'S JUST COUNT ON THE 24TH. SO THAT'S LIKE ABOUT SIX WEEKS. YES. THERE'LL BE ABOUT A SIX WEEK PERIOD. SO WE'RE GETTING SIX VERSUS THREE. WE'RE DOUBLING LAST YEAR. NOT WHAT WE WANTED, BUT WE HAVE A CHOICE AT THIS STUFF. IF WE WANT TO STICK TO OUR ENDING DATE, WE CAN'T. WE'LL, BUT, BUT THEN WE'D HAVE TO CHANGE THE RELEASE AND THEN IT'D STOP EVERYTHING THERE. SO WE'RE KIND OF, WE'RE KIND OF BOUND NOW. 'CAUSE WE, KEN IS REALLY GETTING THE CITY BUSINESS NOW. I'M VERY PROUD. WE'VE THROWN IT INTO THE GREAT MACHINE AND ONCE, IF YOU TAKE IT OUTTA THE GREAT MACHINE, WE START OVER AGAIN. . AND THAT JUST SCREWS EVERYTHING. OKAY. NEVERMIND. OKAY. SO BOTTOM LINE IS PLEASE REACH OUT AND FIGURE OUT WHERE WE CAN PROMOTE THIS IN AN EXISTING COMMUNITY TYPE MEETING. OKAY. WHETHER IT'S YOUR COUNCIL MEMBER OR WHATEVER. BUT PLEASE GET BACK TO US ABOUT, OKAY, SO THE 24TH IS OUR DATE AND WE CAN EMAIL EVERYBODY SOMETHING TO PASS OUT, SOMETHING TO POST. THEN WE'LL HAVE ALL THE SOCIAL MEDIA STUFF TO SHARE SO WE CAN ALL POST IT ON OUR SOCIAL MEDIA. SHARE IT THAT WAY, GET IT OUT THERE AS WIDE AS POSSIBLE. TELL GINA WHERE WE'RE GOING. I'M GONNA SEE IT. GOD FORBID THE MEETINGS, THE END OF THE MONTH SOCIALS ARE STILL HAPPENING AT THE VA. THEY, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. THEY ARE. YEAH. THE VETERAN SOCIAL CONNECTION. YEAH. ARE YOU, ARE YOU SURE? YEAH. I WOULD THINK THAT THEY'RE HAVING LIKE A, IT DOESN'T MATTER. EVERYTHING ELSE WAS CA I'M JUST BEING CAREFUL 'CAUSE EVERYTHING ELSE WAS CANCELED. YEAH. OKAY. EVERY HISTORY MONTH, EVERY DEI THING WAS CANCELED. OH MY GOSH. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT GOT CAUGHT IN THE GREAT SWATH OF THINGS BY, BY 47. SO I WANT MAKE SURE THAT IT'S STILL, I'M GONNA GO MAKE SURE, 'CAUSE I GOTTA GO DOWN THERE THE NEXT COUPLE DAYS. SO, OKAY. I'LL MAKE, I'LL GO TO THE OFFICE AND MAKE SURE AND THEN MAKE SURE WE HAVE A TABLE THERE. 'CAUSE THEY'VE ALWAYS WANTED US THERE, SO. RIGHT. WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA SHOW UP THERE AND I'LL TABLE IT BECAUSE I WON'T, I'M ALWAYS THERE. SO I'LL MAKE SURE WE'RE PUT THE WORD OUT. AND THEY DON'T HAVE COMPUTERS. SO IT'S GONNA BE MAINLY HANDING OUT THINGS. WE'LL NEED SOME, SOME KIND OF FLYER WITH A QR CODE. ABSOLUTELY. AND A WEBSITE ADDRESS. AND MANUAL APPLICATIONS. 'CAUSE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THAT CROWD'S A BIG 'CAUSE THIS IS BOOMERS, SO WE'RE GONNA LOT UP PEOPLE WANTING TO FILL IT OUT BY, BY HAND. WE HAVE, WE WILL BE PRINTING 2,500 POSTCARDS, SO THERE ARE PLENTY OF POSTCARDS TO SHOW UP [00:50:01] AT A PLACE, A COFFEE SHOP AND PUT 'EM THERE. SHOW UP AT, AT, AT AMERICAN LEGION AND, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT IS. BUT LET'S JUST THINK, BE CREATIVE ON THIS. MM-HMM . UM, SO WE CAN, WE CAN MOVE ON IF YOU WANNA DO THE MOTION. YEAH. I JUST WANTED TO GET THE DATE THAT THE, BE SPECIFIC ABOUT THE DATE SO WE ALL UNDERSTAND IT. YES. THINK OF THE WHOLE MONTH OF MARCH AS D-DAY FOR PROMOTION, PASSING OUT FLYERS, INSERTING YOURSELF IN COMM COMMUNITY MEETINGS, INVITING PEOPLE TO APPLY. AND WE'VE ALREADY CREATED THE SOCIAL MEDIA, THE POSTCARDS, THE MEDIA RELEASE, THE WEBSITE. SO YOU'LL HAVE PLENTY OF THINGS TO FIRE AT PEOPLE, SO TO SPEAK, SO THAT THEY CAN GOOD, CAN CAN DO IT. OKAY. MM-HMM . YEP. WE NEED TO RECEIVE AND FILE, UM, MOTION MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE SECOND. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ALL ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? A AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? ABSTENTIONS. WE'RE DONE MOVING ON. OKAY. UM, THANKS GUYS. IT'S BEEN A LOOKING AS EASY AS WE THOUGHT, BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU TOLD US IN THE FIRST PLACE. SO WE'RE JUST LEARNING LESSONS. . WE NEED US LAUGHING AT US. I KNEW I TOLD YOU SO. RIGHT. AND JUST FOR US, WE'RE AT ABOUT A 45 MINUTE MARK TILL WE GOTTA BE OUT THERE BEHIND. OKAY. THAT'S, THAT'S, I HOPE THAT THEY GET HERE SOON. THE PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING THE, UH, THE BROWN ACT, ET CETERA. IF THEY DON'T GET HERE SOON, THEN THAT'S, UH, TOO BAD. IT'S GONNA BE LIKE ME WHEN I HAD TO DO A BURIAL. I'M THE WRONG PERSON TO DO THIS. UM, LET'S GO ON TO NUMBER FOUR. YOU SAID YOU'VE GOT THAT GINA, SO MM-HMM . LET'S TALK ABOUT LET FRANKIE EVANS AND DOING THIS IN PLACE OF OH GOOD. THEY'RE HERE. I'LL GO THROUGH IT VERY QUICKLY. I'M SO SORRY. NO, DON'T WORRY. AND OUR PROJECTOR IS NOT WORKING. THIS IS ANITA NIE AND THIS IS HEATHER VAN WICK. HI GUYS. OFFICE OF ETHICS AND CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. SO WE ARE GOING TO GET TO THEIR PRESENTATION ITY SPLIT. I WILL DO MY VERY QUICK THING ON THE USS EVANS. SO IF YOU LIE ABOUT BEING LATE, IT'S UNETHICAL. DO WHAT? IF YOU LIE ABOUT BEING LATE, IT'S UNETHICAL. I KNOW. I'LL TO THE ETHICS OFFICER. OKAY. OKAY. UNFORTUNATELY, OUR PROJECTOR IS NOT PROJECTING, BUT WE HAVE PRONOUNCE IT. OKAY. SO I'M GOING TO JUST VERY QUICKLY SAY THAT I'LL MISS IT. UM, THE, THE, HOW MANY HAVE ACTUALLY HEARD OF THE USS FRANK E. EVANS AND THE LOST 74? HAS ANYBODY EVER HEARD OF THAT? NO. OKAY. SO IN A NUTSHELL, THERE WAS A TRAGIC ACCIDENT IN THE, UH, UH, THE SOUTH CHINA SEA NEAR VIETNAM ON JUNE 3RD, 1969, IN WHICH 74 SAILORS DIED. AND THEY WERE ALL PORTED HERE IN LONG BEACH. SO IT'S A, UH, SO THEY DIED IN 69. THE VIETNAM WALL WILL NOT INCLUDE THEM BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T KILLED IN COMBAT OR WHATEVER IN VIETNAM. SO, UH, A NONPROFIT WAS SET UP TO PUSH FOR THAT. AND ALSO THEY, THEY, THEY DID AT THE NAVY MEMORIAL WHERE WE HAD OUR MEMORIAL DAY EVENT, UM, THEY DO HAVE PLAQUES THERE THAT TALK ABOUT THIS ACCIDENT AND HAVE, AND NAME ALL THE PEOPLE THAT DIED. UH, AND IT WAS A FRIENDLY FIRE INCIDENT WHERE AN AUSTRALIAN SHIP HIT THEM IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED. THE POINT IS, IS THAT THIS GROUP DOES A MEMORIAL ON JUNE 3RD OF EVERY YEAR OUT AT THE NAVY MEMORIAL. WHILE WE HAVE COMBINED FORCES THIS YEAR, AND INSTEAD OF DOING OUR MEMORIAL DAY EVENT, UH, HONORING OUR HEROES, WE WOULD DO AN EVENT WITH THEM AND SUPPORT THEM. AND I WITH YOUR PERMISSION. SO I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THAT. AND THIS YEAR, THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA DECIDED TO NAME THE JUNCTION OF THE SEVEN 10 AND THE ONE, THE USS FRANKIE EVANS AND THE LOST 74 MEMORIAL HIGHWAY. SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE CELEBRATING THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT HIGHWAY IS GOING TO BE NAMED FOR THIS INCIDENT. WHICH, WHICH HIGHWAY IS THIS? WHERE THE SEVEN 10 AND THE ONE INTERSECT, THE PCH AND SEVEN 10 ARE COMING INTO DOWNTOWN. AND THAT LITTLE, UH, THE BRIDGE. SO THE BRIDGE AND THE JUNCTION WILL BE RENAMED FOR THIS INCIDENT. COOL. SO THAT'S, THAT'S IT IN A NUTSHELL. AND, UH, BE, UNFORTUNATELY THIS ISN'T WORKING BECAUSE TIM, TIM WENDER WHO, WHOSE FATHER DIED IN THAT, THAT ACCIDENT, IS THE LEGISLATIVE PERSON FOR THAT NONPROFIT AND MOVED CALTRANS TO MAKE THAT DECISION. AND LENA GONZALEZ WAS THE ONE THAT PUT FORTH THE SENATE CONTINUING RESOLUTION. SO IF I MAY ASK SOMEONE TO MAKE AN EMO MAKE A MOTION SAYING WE SUPPORT JUNE 3RD AND WE'RE OKAY WITH DOING THIS INSTEAD OF OUR MEMORIAL DAY EVENT. WE'LL ACTUALLY DO IT IN ORDER. I'M GONNA DO THIS IN ORDER. GOOD. PLEASE. SO WE NEED A MOTION FIRST. MAKE A MOTION. MOTION. MOTION. SO MOVED. [00:55:01] JIM. SECOND. JAMES. JAMES. NOW DISCUSSION. WE'RE, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO. . YEAH, SORRY ABOUT THAT. WE TEND TO GO STRAIGHT INTO DISCUSSION 'CAUSE WE LIKE THAT PART THAT, SO WHEN WOULD IT BE? JUNE 3RD. JUNE 3RD. OKAY. AND I, I HONESTLY DON'T MIND IT BECAUSE THE THING IS, ESPECIALLY IF FLEET WEEK IS ONCE AGAIN HAPPENING THE SAME WEEKEND, YOU KNOW, MEMORIAL, WHEN WE DO OURS SINCE EVER SINCE THEY MOVED FLEET WEEK OVER, I FEEL LIKE IT'S LIKE DIDN'T LAST YEAR. WERE YOU ABLE TO GET EVERYTHING YOU WANTED OR WAS IT LIKE PEOPLE WERE BUSY, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE HAVING TO PICK TO AND FROM AND STUFF LIKE THAT. HARD TO SAY. YEAH. I DON'T HAVE A GAUGE ON THAT, BUT, UH, UM, ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON, ON THAT? WELL, JUNE 3RD IS TUESDAY. IT'S A TUESDAY MORNING AND THEY, THEY'RE GONNA GET LUNCH SO IT'LL BE LIKE 10 TO NOON KIND OF THING. IT'LL BE KIND OF LIKE WHAT WE DID, BUT A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, WITH A COMBINATION OF CELEBRATE CELEBRATION AND SOLEMNITY, YOU KNOW. UH, YEAH. I LIKE THE FACT THAT IT AVOIDS THE COMPETITION. YOU KNOW, THERE'S GONNA BE 27 EVENTS. YEP. ON MEMORIAL DAY. THEY'RE GOING TO BE, WE GET LOST IN THE SHUFFLE. YEAH. PURCHASE ONE, ONE MORE EVENT. THAT DOESN'T GET NOTICED. AND I THINK WE'LL GET THE REALISTIC, I THINK PRESS WISE, I THINK WE'LL PROBABLY PICK UP REAL REALISTICALLY. 'CAUSE USUALLY IT'S A DEAD MORNING OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S HIS NAME WILL SAY SOMETHING SILLY. THEY'LL TALK ABOUT THAT AND THEN THEY'LL TALK ABOUT US AND THEY'LL COME, MAYBE EVEN, MAYBE EVEN COVER IT 'CAUSE IT'S SOMETHING GOOD AND BANDWIDTH WISE, BECAUSE WE'RE DOING 60 BANNERS VERSUS, YOU KNOW, 20 TO 25, WE'RE GONNA NEED EVERY BIT OF THAT TIME TO WORK ON THAT AND GET IT DONE. VERSUS TRYING TO SET UP RANGE MONEY, SET UP, RUN, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. 'CAUSE THAT ONE WAS ALL ON US. IT WASN'T THE EVENTS DEPARTMENT. SO WE REALLY DIDN'T HAVE THE MANPOWER AND BEND, WHICH WE WOULD NEED TO RUN THAT EVENT ANYWAYS. SO THIS LETS US HAVE AN EVENT, SUPPORT THE EVENT, MAYBE EVEN RAISE THE MONEY FOR THE EVENT. 'CAUSE WE CAN STILL DO A GRANT APPLICATION AND GIVE THEM THE MONEY AND STILL DO SOMETHING FOR MEMORIAL DAY, BUT REALIZE THAT WE'RE KIND TAPPED OUT PEOPLE AT TIMEWISE, YOU KNOW, ALL OF US. AND THEY'LL GET SOMETHING DONE. AND IT'S MORE ON OUR MANDATE. WE'RE SUPPORTING OUR MANDATES. MORE OF A SUPPORT RATHER THAN, I LIKE THAT BECAUSE, YEAH. AND EVEN IF IT, I WAS GONNA SAY, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE CAN STILL HAVE A, WE CAN HAVE A QUOTE UNQUOTE MEMORIAL DAY EVENT. MAYBE WE CAN PLAN SOMETHING THAT'S VIRTUAL. MM-HMM . LIKE, MAYBE DO LIKE A, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, A DOCUMENTARY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. HMM. AND STILL DO IT. AND STILL, DO YOU KNOW THE OTHER EVENT? PROBABLY NOT. YES. OKAY. WE HAD JIM AND JAMES. OKAY. THEY HAD DISCUSSION. ANYMORE DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. RECEIVE THE FILE. MOTION HEARING. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. A AYE. OPPOSED? ABSTENTIONS. WE'RE GOOD. OH, I'M GOOD. OKAY. GOOD. I DIDN'T HEAR YOU. I'M SORRY. MY BOSS. ALRIGHT. WE GET ALONG. ALRIGHT. WE NOW HAVE ANITA FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TALKING ABOUT THE INFAMOUS BROWN ACT AND ROBERTS RULES EVERYBODY'S FAVOR. SEE, I EVEN DID IT RIGHT, RIGHT BEFORE YOU, JUST TO MAKE SURE . AND AGAIN, MY APOLOGIES FOR THE, UH, NOT WORKING PROJECTOR. OH, OH, NO PROBLEM. YOU SHOULD HAVE THE BROWN ACT, UH, IN YOUR HAND. AND THEN HEATHER WILL BE RIGHT AFTER THAT. WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA FLIP FLOP. OH, YOU'RE GONNA FLIP FLOP? YEAH. USUALLY GO FIRST. COOL. AND THEN, THEN WE'LL DO THE OTHER, I'LL HANG BACK. OKAY. SORRY ABOUT THAT. THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S OKAY. IT'S ALL GOOD. UM, OKAY. SO, HI EVERYBODY. I'M HEATHER VAN WICK. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WAITING FOR US TO HERE. WE ACTUALLY WE'RE AT THE EDUCATION AND THEY USUALLY END AT FIVE O'CLOCK TO START. AND IT WENT UNTIL ABOUT FIVE 40 TODAY. UM, SO I'VE BEEN WITH THE CITY ABOUT 18 YEARS IN THIS POSITION, ABOUT TWO AND A HALF. UM, SO JUST WANTED TO COME BY. I HAVEN'T VISITED THIS COMMISSION YET. UM, USUALLY JEFF WILLIAMS IS WITH ME FROM THE MAYOR'S OFFICE. UM, THIS ROAD SHOW IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THE MAYOR. UM, HE'S STAFFING THE MAYOR TONIGHT, BUT SINCE HIS CONCERN. UM, SO JUST WANTED TO SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE OFFICE OF ETHICS AND TRANSPARENCY, [01:00:01] UM, AND YOUR OBLIGATIONS AS A PUBLIC OFFICIAL, UM, AND SHARE ABOUT THE WORK THAT ANITA AND I DO. UM, SO JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND. UM, WE DO HAVE AN ETHICS COMMISSION. NOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU AS THE VOTERS APPROVED, UH, AT THE END OF 2018. IT'S A CHARTER COMMISSION. UM, HOWEVER, IT IS A RECOMMENDING BODY, SO IT DOES NOT HAVE, UM, INVESTIGATORY OR ENFORCING AUTHORITY, UH, PER THE CHARTER. BUT THEY ARE, THE CHARTER DOES GIVE THEM, UH, SOME OVERSEE EDUCATION PROGRAM. SO, UH, WITH MEASURE CCC, WHICH ESTABLISHED THE ETHICS COMMISSION, THAT REALLY HELPED US ESTABLISH A CENTRALIZED ETHICS PROGRAM, UH, WHICH WE LAUNCHED, UH, THE EDUCATION ARM OF THAT IN 2023. UH, AND FY 24. WE BROUGHT TOGETHER THE ETHICS PROGRAM AND THE PUBLIC RECORDS ACT PROGRAM TO BECOME THE OFFICE OF ETHICS AND TRANSPARENCY. AND, UH, RIGHT NOW WE ARE, UH, WORKING ON OPERATIONALIZING A STRATEGIC ROADMAP THAT THEY, UM, COMMISSION ADVOCATED FOR AND GOT SUPPORT FROM FROM THE CITY COUNCIL. UM, AND AGAIN, WE ARE ALWAYS WORKING IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE ATTORNEY, AUDITOR CLERK, AND OUR MAYOR. SO, REQUIRED TRAININGS AND AUTOMATIC REMOVALS. UM, YOU GUYS HAVE HAD TO DO QUITE A FEW TRAININGS IN THE LAST YEAR OR SO. UM, REQUIRED TRAININGS. SO WE HAVE OUR ANNUAL CITY CODE OF CONDUCT AND ETHICS TRAINING. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT MY OFFICE HAS CREATED AND PUT OUT THERE. UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE ALL HAVE TO DO ANNUALLY. UH, THIS IS CODIFIED NOW. SO ONCE UPON A TIME, IT WAS ONLY AB 1234 THAT SOME OFFICIALS, INCLUDING COMMISSIONERS HAD TO DO. UM, BUT WE, THE COMMISSION THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR EVERYBODY TO HAVE CONDUCT TRAINING. SO THE CITY, WE DO OURS EVERY YEAR. AND THEN THERE'S ALSO AB 1234, WHICH IS EVERY TWO YEARS. AND THAT'S STATE REQUIRED. AND I KNOW THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION, UM, NOT CONFUSION, BUT JUST QUESTIONS. UM, SO I CREATED THIS INFOGRAPH THAT YOU SEE ON THE SLIDE, UM, THAT IF YOU HAVEN'T RECEIVED, I CAN SEND IT TO GINA AND SHE CAN GET IT OUT TO YOU GUYS. UM, THERE'S ALSO THE STATE AND CITY REQUIRED HARASSMENT TRAINING, UH, FOR CALIFORNIA EMPLOYEES. THIS IS BI-ANNUALLY, AND THEN AGAIN BACK TO AB 1234. SO NOW WE NOW HOUSE THAT IN OUR LEARN SYSTEM. SO WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, UM, ACTUALLY THE CITY ATTORNEY PUT TOGETHER THE BULK OF THIS. UM, THEY CREATED THIS TRAINING BASED ON, UM, A LIST OF REQUIREMENTS THAT THE STATE HAS THAT HAVE TO BE IN THIS TRAINING SO THAT LIVES AND LEARN NOW. UM, WE WEREN'T QUITE AS AGGRESSIVE AGAINST FOLKS, COMMISSIONERS THAT WERE NOT COMPLIANT. WE, UM, TEMPTED TO TRY AND WORK WITH THEM AND WORK WITH THEM WHEN NOW WE ARE STARTING TO REMOVE FOR NON-COMPLIANCE FOR TRAINING. UM, LAST YEAR WE REMOVED SEVEN COMMISSIONERS. UM, SO IT'S JUST AN IMPORTANT, UH, TO STAY ON TOP OF YOUR TRAININGS, I THINK ONE, SO NOW WE HAVE TO DO, UM, THE STRATEGIC VISION, THE PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE. AND I THINK THE EQUITY TOOLKIT IS STILL PENDING. BUT ONCE YOU DO THOSE, I BELIEVE YOU JUST HAVE TO DO THOSE ONCE. UM, AND AGAIN, THOSE ALL LIVE AND LEARN, AND WE DO HAVE A SUPPORT SYSTEM THAT SUPPORTS LEARN. SO IF YOU EVER RUN INTO A GLITCH, UM, AND ARE HAVING A HARD TIME ACCESSING ANY OF THESE TRAININGS, REACH OUT TO GINA. REACH OUT TO LEARN AT, LEARN SUPPORT AT, UH, LONG BEACH.GOV OR ME. WE CAN HELP YOU. WE ALSO HAVE AN HELPLINE. UM, THIS IS AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC AND TO EMPLOYEES. UM, IT'S JUST A, ANOTHER RESOURCE TO REPORT OR ASK QUESTIONS YOU CAN REPORT, UM, PERCEIVED VIOLATIONS THAT YOU THINK MAY BE OCCURRING. UM, THIS IS CONFIDENTIAL AND ANONYMOUS IF YOU WANT IT TO BE. UM, OTHER RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE FOR YOU AND OUR EMPLOYEES. WE'VE GOT THE OFFICE OF ETHICS AND TRANSPARENCY HOMEPAGE. THE CLERK HAS THEIR ETHICS PORTAL, SO ANYTHING STATE RELATED, UM, THAT YOU'RE EVER CURIOUS ABOUT, THAT'S WHERE THAT STUFF LIVES. AND THEN OUR AUDITOR HAS HER FRAUD HOTLINE. UM, OTHER RESOURCES WE HAVE THAT I'M SURE YOU GUYS ARE FAMILIAR WITH IS OUR ETHICS GUIDE, OUR, UH, COMMISSION HANDBOOK, AND THEN OUR, UH, GUIDE TO THE BROWN ACT, WHICH, UH, ANITA'S GONNA SPEND A LOT MORE TIME GOING OVER WITH YOU IN JUST A MINUTE. UM, JUST A REMINDER, SOME FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE GOTTEN OVER THIS PAST YEAR. UM, JUST A REMINDER THAT SPEAKING IN OFFICIAL CAPACITY VERSUS PERSONAL CAPACITY, THIS IS CALLED MISUSE OF AUTHORITY. UM, ONCE YOU'RE OUTSIDE OF THESE WALLS, UNLESS YOU'VE BEEN GIVEN PERMISSION TO SPEAK AS A CITY OF LONG BEACH CHILDREN'S COMMISSION COMMISSIONER, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO SAY, [01:05:01] I AM, COMMISSIONER OSBORNE AND I SUPPORT THIS. UM, AS A CITY COMMISSIONER, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T JUST MAKE DECISIONS OUTSIDE OF THE COMMISSION. UH, WE'RE WORKING ON CODIFYING THAT THROUGH THE, UM, ETHICS COMMISSION. THEY'RE WORKING ON A DRAFT ORDINANCE THAT WE'LL PUT TOGETHER EVERYTHING ETHICS, AND THIS WILL BE INCLUDED. UM, JUST TO BE CAREFUL OF THAT. UM, ANNUAL REPORTS, JUST A REMINDER, THOSE ARE DUE IN JUNE EVERY YEAR NOW. UM, THEY'VE BECOME STICKLERS. AND THEN WHEN I SAY THEY, IT'S COLLECTIVELY US, UH, STICKLERS ABOUT, UH, COMMISSIONERS OR COMMISSIONS TURNING IN THEIR ANNUAL REPORT. THERE'S THE LEARN CONTACT INFO. IF YOU EVER NEED HELP, IT'S FORM 700 SEASON. UM, SO YOU ARE NOW OFFICIALLY BEING, UM, POKED AT BY THE CITY CLERK TO GET THOSE IN BY APRIL 1ST. UM, AND OF COURSE, WE HAVE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE BROWN ACT AND BYLAWS, WHICH ANITA, WE'LL TALK ABOUT NEXT. THANK YOU. AND ANY QUESTIONS? I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER AGAIN. DID YOU SAY THAT SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE COMMISSION, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE COMMISSION'S APPROVAL? LIKE IF THERE'S AN UPCOMING CITY COUNCIL MEETING, LIKE WE HAVE, UM, GEN GENERALLY I PRESENT AT COUNCIL MEETINGS ON OUR EVENTS MM-HMM . SO THE VETERANS DAY EVENT, THE MEMORIAL DAY EVENT, WHICH WILL BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT THIS YEAR. AND SOMETIMES WE'LL HAVE COMMISSIONERS DO PUBLIC COMMENT THEN IN SUPPORT OF THAT EVENT. IS THAT A DIFFERENT SITUATION THAN, NO, UNLESS IT'S THE CHAIR, AND ANITA CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. I THINK THE CHAIR AUTOMATICALLY HAS THE AUTHORITY TO SPEAK AT A COUNCIL MEETING. LIKE THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE THAT YOU'LL EVER SEE IT ACTUALLY WRITTEN IS THE CHAIR CAN SPEAK AT A COUNCIL MEETING TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING RELATED TO THE COMMISSION. BUT ANYONE OTHER THAN THE CHAIR, THEY HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION OKAY. TO SPEAK. I CAN SPEAK AT A COUNCIL MEETING, I JUST CAN'T ANNOUNCE THAT I'M, UH, YOU KNOW, A MEMBER OF A COMMISSION. RIGHT, RIGHT. WELL, I MEAN, YOU COULD SAY THIS IS ALL THE THINGS I DO IN MY LIFE, INCLUDING BEING A COMMISSIONER. YEAH. BUT I'VE SPOKEN AT MANY COUNCIL MEETINGS, SO. RIGHT. I DON'T, SO YEAH. I DON'T JUST SAY I'M, I'VE TO STOP JIM GOODEN. YEAH. I'M HERE TO, TO TALK TO YOU. BUT HE CAN'T SAY I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE COMMISSIONER. HE CAN'T SAY, I'M COMMISSIONER GOODEN GOODIN HERE ON BEHALF OF THE VETERANS COMMISSION. AND THIS IS WHAT I THINK ABOUT YOUR PROPOSAL. OKAY. BUT YOU JUST SAID UNLESS THE COMMISSION VOTES AND OF, AND GIVES HIM AUTHORITY TO, TO SPEAK FOR THE COMMISSION. YES. SO IF IN THE MEETING PRIOR TO THAT MEETING, WE AS THE COMMISSION ARE, ARE WANTING HIM USE, SAID, YEAH, WE WANTING YOU, YOU'RE GONNA GO AND WE WANT YOU TO SAY SOMETHING VERY SPECIFIC FOR US. SURE. WE CAN VOTE AND GIVE YOU AUTHORITY TO SPEAK ON OUR BEHALF. YEAH. IF, IF WE WANTED TO PROMOTE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WE'RE DOING AT A CITY COUNCIL MEETING, UH, EITHER KEN CAN DO IT WITHOUT OUR PERMISSION, OR THE REST OF US COULD, COULD GO SPEAK AND PROMOTE IT IF WE'VE BEEN APPROVED BY THE GROUP HERE. RIGHT? CORRECT. OR YOU CAN JUST DO A PUBLIC COMMENT. YEAH, YEAH. WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. YEAH. PUBLIC COMMENT. YEAH. YEAH. SO THREE WAYS. OKAY. SO JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU CAN SPEAK AT A, AT A, AT ANOTHER COMMISSION MEETING AND OR YOU CAN SPEAK ON AN ITEM, PUBLIC COMMENT OR ON AN AGENDA ITEM AT CITY COUNCIL. AND YOU CAN IDENTIFY YOURSELF AS A COMMISSIONER, BUT YOU'RE NOT, YOU JUST CAN'T SAY THAT YOU ARE SPEAKING ON THE BEHALF. YOU CAN SPEAK AS AN INDIVIDUAL, AS A COMMISSIONER, BECAUSE NOW THAT GIVES YOU WHATEVER. LET'S JUST SAY IF YOU'RE SPEAKING ON A VETERAN RELATED, THAT KIND OF GIVES YOU, PUTS YOU IN LIKE THAT PLACE AS A VETERAN. BECAUSE I, I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT I'M A, I'M A US VETERAN AND I'M ALSO A VETERAN AFFAIRS COMMISSION NERVE SPEAKING ON WHATEVER. CORRECT. AND THEN YEAH, YOU COULD, THAT'S WHAT IF YOU WERE ABOUT TO SAY, YEAH, YOU'D WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE ONLY SPEAKING, UM, AS AN INDIVIDUAL, AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN. PRIVATE CITIZEN. THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO PUT IT. YOU'RE JUST SPEAKING AS A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC. UM, YOU CAN MENTION, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE MAY LOOK TO, IT MAY APPEAR THAT IT'S POSSIBLE THAT YOUR COMMENT MAY BE LOOKING AS A MISUSE OF YOUR AUTHORITY. OKAY. SO IT'S BEST DEPENDING ON WHAT'S BEING SAID. YEAH. GOT IT. IT'S BEST TO JUST, IF YOU'RE SPEAKING AS AN INDIVIDUAL, YOU REMAIN IN THAT INDIVIDUAL CAPACITY. OKAY. UNLESS YOU'VE BEEN APPROVED BY THE MAJORITY OF THE COMMISSION TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM YES. ON BEHALF OF THE COMMISSION. YEAH. RIGHT. GOOD. WE'VE HAD A LONG DAY . NO, NO, NO, NO. I UNDERST NO, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU SAID NOT TO BECAUSE IT COULD BE, DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, IT CAN ALSO, YEAH. IT CAN ALSO LOOK LIKE YOU'RE, [01:10:01] IT CAN ALSO GETTING A LITTLE, UM, MUDDY. RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. GRAY AREA IS WHERE WE TEND TO OPERATE IN. SO YEAH. THE, IT'S MUDDY. MM-HMM . SORRY. SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, I'M LOOKING, IT SAYS OTHER PUBLIC MEETINGS. SO THIS IS LIKE, LIKE WHEN WE, LIKE, WE DO OUR OUTREACH AND I'M SHOWING UP AS A COMMISSIONER TO HELP THEM. DO I, IS THAT OKAY FOR ME? I THINK SO. WHAT, WHAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT ON BEHALF OF THE COMMISSION. YEAH. IT'S NOT AN INDIVIDUAL. WELL, WE, THE COMMISSION WILL BE REACHING OUT TO GET MORE PEOPLE TO APPLY FOR THE VETERANS BANNERS PROGRAM, BUT THAT'S NOT A COUNCIL MEETING OR WHATEVER. THAT'S POPPING INTO SOMEBODY'S MEETING AND MAKING AN ANNOUNCEMENT MM-HMM . AND WE'VE ALL AGREED THAT WE CAN DO THAT WITHIN OUR MEETING BECAUSE YEAH. AS LONG AS THERE, YOU'VE AGREED. AND THERE'S A VOTE THAT'S BEEN TAKEN THAT SAYS THE LONG LAST NAME COMMISSIONER ANTOINETTE PLAYED CAN SPEAK AT THESE MEETINGS. UM, BUT UNLESS YOU GUYS HAVE HAD THAT VOTE AND GIVEN HER THAT AUTHORITY OR ANYONE AT THIS TABLE, THAT AUTHORITY, UM, YEAH. SO WE HAVEN'T EXPLICITLY SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'RE VOTING ON, BUT WE, WE, WE ALL KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE REACHING OUT. SO WE COULD, IN OUR NEXT MEETING, JUST MAKE IT A FORMAL VOTE THAT WE ARE ON, YOU ARE ALLOWED TO BE SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE COMMISSION AT THESE COMMUNITY MEETINGS TO PROMOTE THE VETERANS YES. BANNER PROGRAM. BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY, WE, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF ALREADY BEEN, UM, ESTABLISHED THAT WHEN, WHEN WE ARE WHATEVER, UH, INITIATIVE THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE, WHEN WE'RE OUT IN OUR INDIVIDUAL DISTRICTS, WE'RE REPRESENTING WE, 'CAUSE I INTRODUCED MYSELF AS A COMMISSIONER REPRESENTING THE NINTH DISTRICT. I DO THAT ALL THE TIME. MM-HMM . AND, AND THAT'S FINE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF AS A COMMISSIONER, BUT IF YOU'RE GIVING LIKE A MESSAGE ON BEHALF OF THE COMMISSION, AND WE ARE, THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHERE YOU'D NEED THAT, UM, AUTHORITY. UM, OKAY. MOVING FORWARD TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THAT. I THINK WE'VE KIND OF ALREADY ESTABLISHED THAT IN OUR OUTREACH, IN OUR DISCUSSION. I THINK WE HAVE TO. OKAY. WE, WE ONLY HAVE LIKE, WE HAVE TO BE OUTTA HERE IN LIKE 30 MINUTES. ONE QUICK QUESTION. WHAT IF WE DID A BLANKET YEARLY AUTHORIZATION FOR OUR COMMISSIONERS TO SPEAK IN THEIR, IN THEIR DISTRICT AND SPEAK FOR THE COMMISSION IN THEIR DISTRICT AS AN AUTHORIZATION? WOULD THAT BE LEGITIMATE? OR DOES THAT BE I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY. DOES IT HAVE TO BE BY MONEY? IT'S PREFERRED. HAVE SPECIFIC ISSUE. BE SPECIFIC. IT'S SPECIFIC TO HAVE BY TOPIC. SO THERE'S GONNA BE SOME CONSISTENCY. SO THE CASE TALK CASE WE'RE JUST ABOUT TO DO YEAH. JUST SAY COMING, I'M, I'M YOUR NINTH DISTRICT COUNCILMAN, I'M COMING TO YOU, IS A MEMBER IN THE PUBLIC. YOU SAY THOSE WORDS, THEN YOU'RE, YOU SHOULD BE FINE. CORRECT. BUT IF YOU'RE PROMOTING THE BANNER PROGRAM ON BEHALF OF THE COMMISSION, UM, AND YOU WANNA SAY LIKE, THERE'S A MESSAGE FROM THE VETERAN AFFAIRS COMMISSION, WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO APPLY TO THIS BANNER PROGRAM. YOU KNOW, YOU'D WANT THAT AUTHORITY TO BE GIVEN TO, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER ATKINS BLADE SO SHE CAN GO AHEAD AND DO THAT MESSAGE, YOU KNOW, ON BEHALF OF THE COMMISSION. I THINK WE CAN, I COULD TALK WITH G AFTER THIS. I THINK WE'VE APPROVED THE PROGRAM EXACTLY. ALL US ALL TO GO OUT AND PROMOTE. AND WE'VE ALREADY TALKED THIS PART OF OUR OUTREACH ON THAT AND DID IT. YEAH. SO I DON'T SEE WHY WE DON'T ALREADY HAVE PERMISSION. WE COULD, WE COULD MAKE THE LANGUAGE EXPLICIT WHEN WE DO OUR BANNERS REPORT NEXT MONTH. AND THIS HAS COME UP BECAUSE THERE'S OTHER COMMISSIONERS ON OTHER COMMISSIONS THAT HAVE GONE OUTSIDE OF THOSE LINES. AND SO IT ENOUGH THAT WE THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO BRING UP. BUT I DON'T WANT YOU GUYS TO GET NERVOUS AND, AND STOP DOING WHAT YOU'RE DOING. 'CAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE DOING WONDERFUL THINGS. SO ANITA IS YOUR ATTORNEY. SO IF YOU'RE EVER NOT SURE THAT YOU'VE DONE SOMETHING THE RIGHT WAY, WE CAN CHECK ON YOU. YEAH. THANK YOU. SHE CAN WEIGH IN. COOL. AND WHAT'S THE PENALTY IF WE VIOLATE THIS RULE? THERE IS NO PENALTY. I TALK TO YOU AGAIN. I, I BELIEVE IN ASKING FORGIVENESS RATHER THAN PERMISSION. . OKAY. THAT'S THE MODEL OF THE MASTER COURSE. YEAH. I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S PRETTY, DON'T DO IT AGAIN. . ALL RIGHT. WE NEED TO, TO, UH, MOVING RIGHT ALONG. MOTION. A MOTION AND A SECOND BECAUSE WE'RE DOING, ARE THESE SEPARATE ITEMS? THEY'RE EACH, YEAH, THEY'RE SEPARATE ITEMS. UHHUH, . ALL MOTION. SECOND, ANNETTE. OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. YOU HAVE TO ASK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. OH, ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? NO. . WE HAVE ONE MEMBER OF PUBLIC, HE SAYS NO. OKAY. OPPOSED JUDGE. SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? ABSTENTIONS. [01:15:01] MOVING RIGHT ALONG. THAT WAS SIX, THAT WAS 83. AND NOW WE'RE GONNA GO BACK TO 29. ARE WE FINISHED WITH 29 AS WELL? YES. ARE YOU'RE ALSO DONE? SO WE'RE BOTH DONE. NUMBER FIVE. EXCUSE ME. ETHICS. ALL RIGHT, . UH, MY NAME IS ANITA ANI, DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY, UH, WITH THE CITY. I'VE BEEN HERE FOR ABOUT ALMOST THREE AND A HALF YEARS NOW. AND BEFORE THAT, I'VE, UH, WORKED WITH MUNICIPAL LAW FOR, UM, MAYBE ABOUT FIVE YEARS BEFORE I CAME HERE. UH, SO TODAY WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE BROWN ACT. UM, IT'S A CALIFORNIA GOVERNMENT CODE THAT KIND OF BRINGS TOGETHER ALL OF THE RULES THAT PUBLIC OFFICIALS NEED TO FOLLOW WHEN THEY CONDUCT OPEN MEETINGS JUST LIKE THIS. UM, AND THEN AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION, I'LL BRIEFLY TOUCH ON ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER, WHICH ARE PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURES THAT WE TYPICALLY FOLLOW. ALL, UH, CITY COUNCIL, CITY COMMISSIONS, BOARDS AND COMMITTEES, ALL ARE REQUIRED TO FOLLOW THE ROBERTS RULES OF ORDERS FOR, UH, THE MEETINGS. SO I'LL JUST GET STARTED ON THE HISTORY OF THE BROWN ACT. UM, IT'S, IT'S CALLED ONE OF CALIFORNIA'S SUNSHINE LAWS. AND THE IDEA FOR THE BROWN ACT IS THAT IT'S SHINING LIGHT ON CITY BUSINESS AND KEEPING IT ALL OPEN AND TRANSPARENT AND IN, UH, IN LIGHT. UM, SO IT ESSENTIALLY APPLIES TO ALL THE MEETINGS OF PUBLIC COMMITTEES, COMMISSIONS, AND BOARDS. AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY BECAUSE THIS IS A COMMISSION. OKAY. UM, SO THE GENERAL PRINCIPLES ARE THAT THE MEETINGS NEED TO BE OPEN, UM, AND PUBLIC, WHICH WE ARE HERE TODAY. AND THAT ALL OF THE ACTIONS THAT YOU TAKE ON ANY AGENDA ITEMS ARE, UH, MADE IN PUBLIC. AND SO, UH, WHAT IS A MEETING? A MEETING IS WHEN A MAJORITY OF YOU COMMISSION MEMBERS, UH, CONGREGATE AT THE SAME TIME AND PLACE TO DISCUSS VETERAN AFFAIRS. AND, UM, ANOTHER RULE IS THAT ALL PEOPLE, UM, OUT OF THE PUBLIC ARE ALLOWED TO ATTEND YOUR MEETINGS AND TO PARTICIPATE IN YOUR MEETINGS. AND THEN THE LAST THING IS THAT, UM, ONLY MATTERS ON THE AGENDA THAT YOU HAVE HERE, UM, CAN BE DISCUSSED AT THIS MEETING. SO THAT'S WHY YOU ALL GO LINE BY LINE ON EACH ITEM. AND THE POINT OF ALL OF THIS IS REALLY TO AVOID THE APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY. AND WHAT DOES THAT REALLY MEAN? IT JUST MEANS IT MAKES THE PUBLIC FEEL THAT THEY'RE PART OF THE PROCESS. AND THERE, THERE'S NO POSSIBILITY THAT ANY OF THE CITY'S BUSINESS IS DONE IN PRIVATE. SO IT'S JUST REALLY FOR TRANSPARENCY, UM, AND TO ALLOW FOR THE PUBLIC TO PARTICIPATE IN ALL DECISIONS THAT GOVERNMENTAL BODIES MAKE. UM, I'LL SKIP OVER A COUPLE THAT I THINK ARE KIND OF REPETITIVE, BUT ESSENTIALLY WHO'S SUBJECT TO THE BROWN ACT? ALL LEGISLATIVE BODIES, WHICH IS WHY, UM, YOU KNOW, THE VETERAN AFFAIRS COMMISSION IS, UM, IS SUBJECT TO IT. SO NOW I'M ON SLIDE NUMBER SIX. UM, TYPES OF COMMUNICATIONS THAT ARE PROHIBITED UNDER THE BROWN ACT THAT WOULD APPLY TO THE VETERAN AFFAIRS COMMISSION ARE, UH, SOMETHING CALLED SERIAL COMMUNICATIONS. AND THAT'S WHEN IT'S POSSIBLE THAT ONE COMMISSION MEMBER SPEAKS TO ANOTHER COMMISSION MEMBER, AND LO AND BEHOLD, IT STARTS TO BECOME A MAJORITY OF COMMISSION MEMBERS TALKING ABOUT THE SAME, UH, SUBJECT, UH, AT THE SAME PLACE. UM, WHAT IS YOUR DEFINITION OF MAJORITY? SO, LIKE THIS COMMISSION HAS GOT NINE COMMISSIONERS, BUT SOME OF 'EM POSITIONS AREN'T FILLED. SO IS IT A MAJORITY OF THE NINE, OR IS THERE A MAJORITY OF THE SIX? IT NEEDS TO BE, UM, THE MAJORITY OF THE, UM, OF THE NINE. MAJORITY OF THE NINE, BECAUSE IT'S POSSIBLE THAT, YOU KNOW, IN A MONTH OR TWO, MAYBE THERE'S NUMBER SEVEN THAT COMES IN AND GETS BILLED, RIGHT? SO WE EACH KEEP IT CONSISTENT TO THE, UM, NUMBER OF MEMBERS POSSIBLE. UM, AND IT'S UNDER THE ORDINANCE THAT THERE SHOULD BE, UH, NINE HERE. SO THAT WOULD MAJORITY WOULD BE FIVE. SO ONCE THERE'S FIVE OF YOU, UH, POTENTIALLY TALKING ABOUT THE SAME SUBJECT AT THE SAME PLACE AND THE SAME TIME, AND YOU'RE NOT AT A PUBLICIZED MEETING, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE IN TROUBLE AND YOU SHOULDN'T BE TALKING TO EACH OTHER ABOUT THE TOPIC. BUT I'LL GO INTO WHAT, UM, WHAT THOSE EXAMPLES ARE OF, UM, COMMUNICATIONS THAT ARE PROHIBITED. SO AMONG SLIDE NUMBER SEVEN, NOW, THERE ARE FOUR THAT KIND OF COMMONLY COME UP, UH, RECENTLY WHEN A MAJORITY OF MEMBERS MIGHT BE SPEAKING TO ANOTHER OTHER THAN AN AGENDIZED MEETING. SO ONE IS CALLED HUB AND SPOKE, AND THAT JUST MEANS THAT ONE MEMBER IS CALLING EVERY SINGLE MEMBER BEFORE THE MEETING AND SAYING, HEY, ARE YOU GONNA VOTE YES ON ITEM NUMBER TWO? I JUST WANNA KNOW, I'M JUST ASKING YOU, YOU KNOW? AND THEN, SO ONE COMMISSIONER MEMBER MIGHT THINK THAT THEY'RE ONLY HAVING A AB CONVERSATION, BUT REALLY THIS [01:20:01] COMMISSIONER IS CALLING UP TO FOUR OR FIVE, AND NOW YOU HAVE A MAJORITY, AND NOW YOU VIOLATED THE BROWN ACT. SO NOT YOU PERSONALLY, I'M JUST SAYING AS LIKE AN EXAMPLE. UM, ANOTHER EXAMPLE IS CALLED A DAISY CHAIN. SO LET'S SAY, UM, COMMISSIONER, UH, BLUE CONTEXT, COMMISSIONER GREEN, AND THEN COMMISSIONER GREEN CALLS COMMISSIONER YELLOW, AND THEN YELLOW CALLS PINK. AND PINK CALLS RED. THEY, NO ONE SPOKE WITH A MAJORITY OF THE BODY, BUT BY AND THROUGH THOSE CONVERSATIONS OF SAYING, UH, MEMBER ORANGE SAID THIS TO PINK, AND THEN PINK RELATED TO GREEN, YOU'RE PLAYING TELEPHONE, RIGHT? AND YOU'RE ALL TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING. UM, IT STILL APPLIES TO, NOW THERE'S A MAJORITY OF COMMERS SPEAKING ABOUT THE SUBJECT OUTSIDE OF A PUBLIC MEETING THAT JUST NEEDS TO HAVE AN AGENDA SO THAT THE PUBLIC CAN PARTICIPATE. IT'S ALL GOING BACK TO, SO THE PUBLIC CAN PARTICIPATE IN AN AGENDA, UH, AGENDAS, UH, CONVERSATION. SO, UM, SLIDE NUMBER 10. I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE IT UP, BUT, SO I'LL JUST SAY THE NUMBERS. SLIDE NUMBER 10 IS BY REPRESENTATIVE. LET'S SAY THAT YOU'RE, UM, AT AN EVENT, AND MAYBE YOU DON'T SPEAK TO A COMMISSIONER DIRECTLY. YOU MIGHT SPEAK TO THEIR SPOUSE OR THEIR SISTER OR THEIR BROTHER, BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ITEM ITSELF, RIGHT? AND THEN THEIR SISTER OR BROTHER, OR SPOUSE OR PARTNER, WHOEVER THEY ARE, GOES AND TELLS THE COMMISSIONER WHAT YOU GUYS TALKED ABOUT. SO ESSENTIALLY, YOU'RE STILL, YOU KNOW, MAKING THOSE COMMUNICATIONS ABOUT AGENDA ITEMS THAT ARE COMING UP IN THE FUTURE THAT JUST NEED TO BE DELIBERATED AT AN OPEN AND PUBLIC MEETING. UM, AND THEN THE LAST ONE HERE, IT'S COMING UP A LITTLE BIT MORE OFTEN THAN NORMAL, IS, UM, EMAILS, TEXT MESSAGES, SOCIAL MEDIA COMMUNICATION. UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES PEOPLE, UM, YOU KNOW, MIGHT WANNA SHARE THEIR VIEWS ON SOCIAL MEDIA, RIGHT? UM, AND IT'S POSSIBLE THAT A COMMISSIONER MIGHT COMMENT ON A POST AND SAY, I THINK WE SHOULD DO THIS. AND THEN THE NEXT COMMISSIONER, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER NUMBER THREE COMMENTS ON TOP OF THAT. AND NOW YOU HAVE A FULL BLOWN DISCUSSION IN THE COMMENTS ON SOCIAL MEDIA, BUT NOW THERE'S FIVE OF YOU TALKING, RIGHT? SO NOW IT'S A MAJORITY, AND IT SHOULD HAVE INSTEAD BEEN AN AGENDA GENDERIZED, UH, MEETING TO AVOID ALL OF THAT, TRY TO JUST NOT TALK TO COMMISSIONERS ABOUT HOW YOU'RE GOING TO VOTE ON SOMETHING. YOU CAN CERTAINLY TALK TO THEM ABOUT, OH, THIS EVENT IS COMING UP, OR HOW ARE WE GONNA DO THIS? UM, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE WE GONNA, HOW ARE YOU APPROACHING, UM, YOUR DISTRICT ABOUT THE BANNER PROGRAM? WHAT'S YOUR SCRIPT? YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS COMPLETELY FINE, BUT JUST NOT ABOUT HOW ARE YOU VOTING ON NEXT WEEK'S ITEM NUMBER FOUR, YOU DON'T WANNA HAVE A DELIBERATION AND A, AND A AND KIND OF A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE ITEM. JUST TRY TO AVOID THAT AND HAVE IT DONE IN AN OPEN, UH, PUBLIC SETTING, WHICH IS THE MEETING. UM, SO WHAT IS ALLOWED, LIKE I SAID, INDIVIDUAL CONTACTS, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS CAN SPEAK TO EACH OTHER. YOU'RE NOT BANNED FROM HAVING CONVERSATIONS. UM, UH, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO SPEAK WITH ADVOCATES, YOU KNOW, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CONSTITUENTS, UM, YOUR STAFF AND YOU KNOW, GINA AND COLLEAGUES. BUT TRY YOUR BEST TO AVOID SPEAKING ABOUT THE BUSINESS OF THE COMMISSION THAT SHOULD BE DELIBERATED OPEN AND IN PUBLIC. UM, SO I'M GONNA SKIP OVER TO ITEM SLIDE NUMBER 14. THESE ARE ALL JUST KIND OF LIKE GENERAL RULES THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE VAC ALREADY PRETTY MUCH FOLLOWS, RIGHT? YOU HAVE YOUR AGENDA, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO POST AT 72 HOURS BEFORE A MEETING. GINA TAKES CARE OF ALL THAT. IF YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING WHERE YOU HAVE AN EMERGENCY ITEM YOU NEED TO BRING, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TIME TO WAIT UNTIL THE FOLLOWING MONTH, YOU CAN BRING A SPECIAL MEETING. AND THAT CAN BE CALLED BY THE CHAIR, OR A MAJORITY MEMBER, A MAJORITY OF THE COMMISSIONERS THAT WANNA BRING A SPECIAL ITEM, UM, BEFORE THE, SORRY, YOU GOOD, BEFORE THE, UM, BEFORE THE BODY TO SPEAK ABOUT IT. YOU CAN DO THAT WITH 24 HOURS NOTICE. AND SO IN EACH AGENDA SLIDE NUMBER 15, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE A BRIEF GENERAL DESCRIPTION OF EACH ITEM. YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE DATE, TIME, AND LOCATION. REALLY, THIS IS SO THAT THE PUBLIC KNOWS WHERE THEY NEED TO GO AND ALSO WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT. SO IF YOU KEEP IT TOO BROAD, THE PUBLIC DOESN'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. UM, SO TRY TO KEEP IT, YOU KNOW, PRETTY, PRETTY SIMPLE. SO EVEN HERE TODAY, WE HAVE RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE A DISCUSSION ON THE VETERANS BANNER PROGRAM. THE PUBLIC KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT IS THE VETERANS BANNER PROGRAM. UM, SO THEN THEY CAN COME OUT AND, UM, PARTICIPATE ON THE ITEM, AND THEN WHERE CAN MEETINGS BE HELD? THEY HAVE TO BE HELD WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE CITY OF LONG BEACH. UM, AND THEN SLIDE NUMBER 17, THE PUBLIC HAVE THE RIGHT TO COMMENT ON EVERY SINGLE ITEM. AND AT EVERY MEETING THAT YOU HAVE, THEY CAN COMMENT, THEY CAN RECORD, THEY CAN, UM, THEY DON'T HAVE TO ANNOUNCE WHO THEY ARE. WHEN THEY ATTEND THESE MEETINGS AND PROVIDE A COMMENT, THEY CAN BE ANONYMOUS. UM, THEY ARE ABLE TO, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO REVIEW THESE AGENDAS AND ANY OTHER WRITINGS THAT YOU HAVE [01:25:01] CORRESPONDENCE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ANY OF THESE ITEMS, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO VIEW THOSE. UM, AND, UM, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO SEE ALL THE VOTES, AND THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT, RIGHT? SO THEY COULD SEE HOW YOU DECIDED ON THE ITEMS. SO WHY DOES THIS ALL MATTER VIOLATIONS OF THE BROWN ACT, UM, CAN ACTUALLY BE BROUGHT BY A CIVIL ACTION OR A CRIMINAL ACTION. AND SO FOR THE CIVIL ACTION SLIDE 18, UM, YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, UH, IT'S, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT IF A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC, ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC CAN BRING AN ACTION FOR A BROWN ACT VIOLATION, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE, UH, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE CITY OF LONG BEACH, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE WITHIN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA. IT'S ANY INTERESTED MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC CAN BRING AN ACTION AGAINST A COMMISSIONER OR A COUNCIL PERSON OR PUBLIC OFFICIAL. UM, AS LONG AS THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, UH, PROVIDE PROOF IN A COMPLAINT. AND SO IF THEY WIN, THEY, UM, ARE AWARDED ALL OF THEIR COSTS AND ATTORNEY'S FEES TO LITIGATE THAT CASE. UM, SO CIVIL ACTIONS ARE POSSIBLE. AND THEN THE SECOND THING IS CRIMINAL ACTIONS. UH, THEY COULD BE PUNISHABLE UP TO A MISDEMEANOR, AND THAT'S ONLY IF, UM, THE PROSECUTOR CAN PROVE YOU HAD INTENT TO DEPRIVE THE PUBLIC OF INFORMATION. SO IT'S A, IT'S A, YOU KNOW, THEY STILL HAVE TO PROVE THAT YOU REALLY MEANT TO, UH, DECEIVE THE PUBLIC. UM, BUT IT IS A, UM, POTENTIAL VIOLATION. UM, AND I KNOW THAT WE MIGHT BE A LITTLE SHORT ON TIME, SO I AM TRYING TO GO AS FAST AS I CAN. . UM, THANK YOU. NUMBER SLIDE NUMBER 19 IS, UH, STARTING OFF NOW ON THE ROBERTS RULES OF ORDER. THAT'S THE PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE. IT'S NOT THE BROWN ACT, BUT IT IS KIND OF A HANDBOOK ON HOW TO CONDUCT PUBLIC MEETINGS. IT'S IN OUR MUNICIPAL CODE THAT, UM, THE CITY COUNCIL IS REQUIRED TO FOLLOW THE ROBERTS RULES OF ORDER. SO WE APPLY THAT, UM, TO ALL, UH, ALL BODIES. SO THE CHAIR RUNS THE MEETING, UH, CONSISTENT WITH, UM, THE BROWN ACT BYLAWS AND ROBERTS RULES OF ORDER. UM, YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE THE CHAIR INTRODUCE THE BUSINESS, GO THROUGH THE AGENDA, DETERMINE IF THERE'S A MOTION, UM, KEEP THE DISCUSSION FOCUSED ON THE AGENDA ITEM, AND, UM, IF THERE ARE PUBLIC COMMENTERS THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO SPEAK. BUT YOU CAN HAVE TIME LIMITS ON HOW, UM, HOW LONG THE PUBLIC, UH, CAN GO. UM, IF THERE ARE DISCUSSIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE KIND OF GOING BACK AND FORTH AND GETTING HEATED, IT'S THE CHAIR'S, UM, OBLIGATION TO ENSURE THAT THEY ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, CHAIRING THE MEETING. THEY NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE'S SPEAKING TO EACH OTHER FAIRLY, MAKING SURE EVERYONE'S BEING RESPECTFUL TO ONE ANOTHER, UM, MAKING SURE THAT, UM, EV EVERYONE IS ACTIVELY LISTENING SO PEOPLE FEEL HEARD AND THAT EVERYONE IS ABLE TO GET THEIR POINT ACROSS. UM, THERE MAY BE INSTANCES WHERE ONE COMMISSIONER MAY BE TALKING MORE THAN THE OTHERS, SO THE CHAIR HAS AN OPTION TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERY SINGLE COMMISSIONER HAS HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK BEFORE ALLOWING ANOTHER COMMISSIONER TO REPEAT THEMSELVES AND CONTINUE WITH QUESTIONS. SO BASICALLY THE CHAIR CAN MANAGE THE MEETING. UM, LET'S SEE. UH, YOU KNOW, ONE THING THAT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE'VE, WE'VE SEEN, UM, IS THAT SOMETIMES PEOPLE WILL TALK WITHOUT BEING ACKNOWLEDGED BY THE CHAIR. AND SO SOMETIMES MULTIPLE PEOPLE MIGHT BE TALKING AT THE SAME TIME AND YOU MIGHT NOT KNOW WHO TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S ON THE CHAIR, IT'S THE CHAIR'S OBLIGATION TO CALL ON YOU FIRST, AND THEN YOU MAY SPEAK. AND THAT'S TYPICALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A NICE PROCESS BECAUSE IT ALLOWS FOR THE CHAIR TO KIND OF MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE HAS HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN THE LAST SLIDE HERE IS SLIDE NUMBER 23. UM, THE CHAIR MUST CALL FOR A VOTE AT THE END OF THE ITEM AND NEEDS TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE VOTES ARE DONE IN PUBLIC. YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE ANY SECRET BALLOTS UNDER, UM, YOU KNOW, THE BROWN ACT AND ALSO ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER. UM, ONE THING, I'M NOT SURE IF THIS HAS EVER HAPPENED, BUT IF THE MOTION COMES TO A, UH, IF THE VOTE IS A TIE, THE MOTION ACTUALLY FAILS, SO NOTHING PASSES. SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO TRY TO, UM, YOU KNOW, TRY TO GET EVERYONE TO PARTICIPATE AND VOTE AND NOT ABSTAIN IN THE MATTERS SO THAT EVERYONE CAN PARTICIPATE AND GET ITEMS MOVING. AND I THINK THAT'S IT FOR ME. THANK YOU. QUESTION. THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION, AND THAT IS, THE TYPICAL MOTIONS ARE A MAIN MOTION, SECOND FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, AND SUBSTITUTE MOTION UHHUH . SO IF WE HAVE A RECEIVE AND FILE A REPORT OR A PRESENTATION, BUT WE DECIDE TO TAKE SOME DIFFERENT ACTION, THAT WOULD BE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION. IT COULD BE A SUBSTITUTE OR IT COULD BE A FRIENDLY, SO LET'S SAY FOR, LET'S DO AN EXAMPLE ALTOGETHER. UM, RECOMMEND, LET'S DO NUMBER THREE, RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE A DISCUSSION ON THE VETERAN'S BANNER PROGRAM. AND WE HAVE THAT ON THE FLOOR ALREADY. AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, A COMMISSIONER WANTS TO MAKE [01:30:01] A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, UM, TO SAY, LET'S ADD THE AUTHORITY FOR ALL COMMISSIONERS TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE COMMISSION. THAT'LL JUST BE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT BECAUSE YOU ALREADY HAVE THE LANGUAGE THERE, BUT YOU'RE ADDING A LITTLE BIT THERE. UM, BUT IF YOU'RE COMPLETELY SUBSTITUTING THE MOTION WITH NEW LANGUAGE, IT'LL BE A, IT'LL BE CALLED A SUBSTITUTE MOTION, BUT IT STILL HAS TO BE RELATED TO THE BANNERS PROGRAM. UM, BUT IF IT'S A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, UH, THE PROCESS IS A LITTLE EASIER WHERE A FRIENDLY JUST NEEDS TO BE ACCEPTED BY THE PERSON WHO DID THE FIRST AND THE COMMISSIONER WHO DID THE SECOND, AS LONG AS THE COMMISSIONER WHO DID THE ORIGINAL FIRST AND SECOND ARE OKAY WITH IT. YOU CAN ADD THE FRIENDLY, THE DIFFERENCE IS WHEN IT'S A SUBSTITUTE MOTION, YOU NEED A NEW FIRST AND A NEW SECOND, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A NEW MOTION ON THE FLOOR. SO THAT, UM, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS, YOU KNOW, EVER SO OFTEN. BUT, UM, YEAH, TYPICALLY FRIENDLY'S ARE THE EASIEST WAY TO GO. YEAH. I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE BROWN ACT. UHHUH, UM, AND IT'S THE PUBLIC, YOU SAID CAN ACTUALLY BE ANONYMOUS BECAUSE THE CITY COUNCIL I HAVEN'T WATCHED FOR A WHILE. I . OKAY. BUT IT USED TO BE THEY HAD TO FILL OUT A CARD TO BE ABLE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENTS. WOULD YOUR NAME, THEY NO LONGER HAVE TO DO THAT, SO THEY MIGHT STILL HAVE THE COMMENT CARD WHERE IT ASKS LIKE YOUR NAME. YEAH. BUT YOU COULD PUT, YOU KNOW, JANE DOE. OKAY. YOU COULD PUT JOHN SMITH, BECAUSE BEFORE I CAN REMEMBER THEM ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE BEING A STICKLER ABOUT IT, YOU CAN'T MAKE COMMENT. YEAH. SO WE NOW ADDRESS YEAH, YOU DON'T HAVE TO, YOU NOW THE RULES ARE THAT YOU COULD, YOU DON'T HAVE TO PROVIDE YOUR NAME. IF I, IF I IF GO AHEAD. IF I SHARE. OH, OKAY. I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, IF YOU'RE LITTLE BEHIND ON THOSE TRAININGS, DO THEY BE LIKE A LITTLE, OR DO THEY JUST LIKE, SHOULD CONTINUE TO GET REMINDERS AT SOME POINT YOU'LL ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, UM, TROUBLE THE PRINCIPAL'S OFFICE. . YEAH. YOU KEEP GETTING, YOU GET EMAILS AND THEN IF YOU DON'T, YOU GET A CALL EMAILS, YEAH, REMINDING. ALRIGHT, I JUST, LET ME JUST MENTION THIS BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT IN MY MIND RIGHT NOW IS I'VE TAKEN THE AB 1234, IS IT, I DID IT TWICE. I TRIED TO, ON THE CITY, IN FACT, I ACTUALLY DID IT TWICE ON THE CITY, AN HOUR HALF EACH, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN HOUR, BUT IT TAKES AN HOUR AND A HALF TO DO IT AND IT NEVER RECORDED THE END OF IT. IT JUST BLACKED OUT AND I COULD, I DIDN'T GET IT RECORDED, SO I DID IT THROUGH THE STATE AND UH, UH, AND I DID IT THROUGH THAT. I HAD CERTIFICATE, SEND IT IN. I STILL GET NOTICES THAT I DIDN'T TAKE IT. AND I'M OVERDUE, WAY OVERDUE FOR DOING IT. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS ARE GONNA KICK ME OFF. THAT'S FINE. BUT I'VE DONE IT, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY THREE, THREE TIMES. YEAH. YOU'VE SENT IN YOUR CERTIFICATE TO THE CLERK. YEAH. FOR GINA. GINA, YEAH. YEAH. YOU'VE DONE IT. IT'S SO HARD TO MAKE CHANGES IN LEARNING. OKAY. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, BECAUSE I DID IT BASICALLY DID IT THREE TIMES. I SPENT THREE TO FOUR HOURS. OH GOSH. YOU KNOW, AND IT'S, I'M NOT DOING IT AGAIN. I BLAME YOU. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION JUST TO CLARIFY. UM, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, SO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, THEY CAN COMMENT A NON AGENDA ITEMS AND THEY CAN ALSO COMMENT ON EACH INDIVIDUAL AGENDA ITEM, CORRECT? CORRECT. BUT IF THERE IS A, IF THERE IS, UM, A MOTION TO TAKE ACTION, THEN THE MEMBERS OF THE, THE MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC CANNOT SPEAK ON THAT ACTION. OR IS IT JUST ON THE AGENDA ITEM? THEY CAN JUST SPEAK ON THE AGENDA, NOT ON ANY ACTION THAT THE COMMISSION IS TRYING TO TAKE. SO THE ACTION IS TO APPROVE THE RECOMMENDATION ON THE AGENDA. SO AS LONG AS EACH ITEM HAS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT MM-HMM . THAT WILL SATISFY THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO, IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE SAME THING, THE ACTION OR THE ITEM. MM-HMM . IT REALLY IS THE SAME THING BECAUSE THE ACTION IS TO APPROVE THE RECOMMENDATION. SO, SO JUST TO, I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE REALLY QUICK. OKAY. SO WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE A HOUSING, UM, INITIATIVE FORWARD, RIGHT? SO ON OUR AGENDA ITEM, IT SHOULD BE THAT HOWEVER IT'S WRITTEN, BUT THE ACTION IS FOR US TO SUPPORT FOR THIS INITIATIVE. SO THAT'S THE ACTION. THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, THEY CAN SPEAK ON THAT ITEM. THEY CANNOT SPEAK TO TRY TO, UH, INFLUENCE, UM, TRY TO REVISE WHATEVER THAT ACTION, THE WORDING ON THAT PARTICULAR ACTION BECAUSE THE, BECAUSE THE RECOMMENDATION OR THE ACTION OR THE MOTION IS COMING FROM THE COMMISSIONER. YEAH. SO SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, IF THERE'S A PUBLIC COMMENTER THAT'S LIKE, I DON'T BELIEVE [01:35:01] THE COMMISSIONERS SHOULD DO THIS MM-HMM . A COUNCIL MEMBER WILL MAKE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT OKAY. TO THE ITEM. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL TAKE THE FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC MM-HMM . AND THEY MIGHT MAKE A FRIENDLY OR THEY MIGHT MAKE A SUBSTITUTE. SO THE REASON THAT THE PUBLIC ARE THERE IS TO COMMENT ON YOUR ITEM AND THEY'RE ABLE TO EXPRESS WHETHER THEY THINK YOU SHOULD VOTE ON IT, UH, VOTE YAY OR NAY. OKAY. UM, SO IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THEY, THEY CAN SAY, NO, I DON'T THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, CHAIR OPPEL MOORE, I DON'T THINK THAT YOU SHOULD SUPPORT THIS. THAT IF THAT'S THE ITEM, YEAH. OKAY. THEY CAN SAY THAT. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU ARE ALSO INCLINED, YOU CAN TAKE THOSE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC AND SOMEONE CAN PROPOSE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION OR A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. UM, IF THAT'S YOUR, THAT'S YOUR, THAT'S YOUR, UH, DUTY AS A COMMISSIONER TO, YOU KNOW, UM, LISTEN, KINDA LISTEN, TAKE IT IN, AND IF YOU WANT TO, UM, YOU KNOW, MOVE ACCORDINGLY. YEAH. AND THE REASON WHY I'M SAYING THAT IS BECAUSE SOME, SOME OF THE ITEMS, THEY'RE UPDATES AS WE MOVE THROUGH OUR MEETINGS, RIGHT? MM-HMM . AND THEN NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU KNOW, WE GET KIND OF CLOSE TO SOMETHING AND THEN NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN, NOW, LIKE LAST NIGHT, I THINK THERE WERE LIKE 30 PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT DID PUBLIC COMMENT ON LIKE ONE ITEM AT CITY COUNCIL, WHICH IS CRAZY , YOU KNOW, AND I'M SURE THAT THAT WAS NOT THE FIR BECAUSE IT WAS AN ACTION. YEAH. SO I'M SURE THAT THAT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME THAT THAT ITEM HAS COME BEFORE CITY COUNCIL AS PART OF THE DISCUSSION. RIGHT. SOMETIMES THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC MIGHT COME RIGHT AT THE END YES. WHEN YOU'VE ALREADY BEEN DELIBERATING OVER CORRECT. YOU KNOW, FOUR TO FIVE ACTIONS, BUT THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO SO. OKAY. AND THEN IF, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN TAKE YOUR ACTION MM-HMM . BASED ON YOUR FEEDBACK, DELIBERATION THAT YOU'VE TAKEN AS A COMMISSION. OKAY. GOT IT. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . THAT'S ALL I HAVE. CHAIR. ONE QUICK QUESTION. UM, IF YOU WERE TO GET, UM, SOMEBODY FILES AGAINST YOU, DOES THE CITY DEFEND YOU OR DO YOU DEFEND YOURSELF? SO YOU MEAN ON A BROWN KNIFE VIOLATION? YEAH. WOULD THE CITY ATTORNEY DEFEND YOU OR WOULD YOU HAVE TO HIRE A PRIVATE COUNSEL? THE CITY ATTORNEY DEFENDS THE CITY OF LONG BEACH, AND I'M A, BECAUSE I TAKE MY 50 BUCKS OF, WE, I'M A CITY EMPLOYEE, . UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I KNOW IT'S A, IT'S LIKE A QUESTION THAT IT SHOULD BE LIKE A OPEN SHUT ANSWER. MM-HMM . MM-HMM . THE CITY, THE CITY REPRESENT THE CITY ATTORNEY REPRESENTS THE OFFICE. UM, LIKE EVEN IF THERE WAS AN INVESTIGATION AGAINST A COUNCIL MEMBER, WE DON'T REPRESENT THE COUNCIL MEMBER. THE COUNCIL MEMBER WOULD PROBABLY GET THEIR OWN ATTORNEY BECAUSE IT WOULD BE LIKE THE CITY OF LONG BEACH IN A LAWSUIT. MAYBE THERE'S A COUNCIL MEMBER THAT'S SUED IN THE LAWSUIT. THE CITY HAS TO DEFEND THE CITY. MM-HMM . AND THEN THE COUNCIL MEMBER HAS TO DEFEND THE COUNCIL MEMBER. BUT THERE'S, THERE'S DIFFERENT LINES WHERE LIKE, WE DO GIVE LEGAL ADVICE TO YOU ALL AS COMMISSIONERS WHEN THERE'S, YOU KNOW, A QUESTION WHERE YOU HAVE A, OH MY GOSH, THIS JUST HAPPENED TO ME LAST WEEK, UM, UNDER THE BROWN ACT. DID I VIOLATE THE BROWN ACT? IT WOULD BE ME THAT THE QUESTION WOULD COME TO AND I'LL LET YOU KNOW. LIKE, NO, I DON'T THINK YOU DID. OR IF YOU DID, HEY, LET'S CORRECT IT. LIKE, THAT'S MY JOB FOR YOU. RIGHT? MM-HMM . UM, WHEN IT GETS TO THE POINT OF A LAWSUIT, I THINK AT THAT TIME, I DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT ANSWER FOR YOU. UM, I THINK IT WOULD JUST DEPEND, BUT I FEEL LIKE I'VE SPOKEN MORE THAN I NEEDED TO BECAUSE I KNOW THE ANSWER. UM, BUT IN THE INSTANCES OF WHEN YOU'RE ASKING, HEY ANITA, AM I FOLLOWING THE BROWN ACT? I WENT TO A, YOU KNOW, A MEETING YESTERDAY AND I FEEL LIKE I TALKED TO A COMMISSIONER TOO LONG ABOUT ITEM NUMBER FOUR. THAT'S UP NEXT WEEK. IS THAT OKAY? AND MAYBE YOU DID GO A LITTLE OVERBOARD AND THEN WE'D CORRECT IT. WE HAVE SIX MINUTES UNTIL THE BUILDING CLOSES. I KNOW. JUST THAT IF SOMETHING FILED SECURITY, YOU'RE GOING TO COURT. WHO'S SITTING NEXT TO ME? IS IT YOU OR IS IT MY PRIVATE ATTORNEY? I THINK, I THINK I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER BECAUSE I HAVEN'T EXPERIENCED IT BEFORE, SO I'LL HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU. THAT'S FINE. I'M JUST CURIOUS. IT'S LIKE, OKAY. GOOD QUESTION. SHOULD IT COME UP? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I'M STUMPED. SO STUMP THE CITY. OKAY. WE NEED A MOTION ABOUT TWO THINGS. QUICK MOTION. I NEED A MOTION. LAST ITEM. MOTION. SECOND. SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? OH, THEN WE NEED TO GET PUBLIC COMMENT. I'M SORRY. COMMENT. ANY PUBLIC COMMENT. . ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? ABSTENTIONS TASK, GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, ANYTHING? NOPE. GREAT. MOVING ALONG. ANNOUNCEMENTS. ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS? HEARING NONE. MOVING ON. MOTION ADJOURN AT 6:56 PM I, I, I REALLY, I'M REALLY SORRY IF YOU FELT. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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