* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:35] I'D LIKE TO CALL THE COMMISSION MEETING ORDER FOR AUGUST 26TH, 2025. COMMISSIONER PRESENT, COMMISSIONER HUNTER PRESENT. COMMISSIONER PEREZ PRESENT, COMMISSIONER PINTO PRESENT, COMMISSIONER PRYOR. PRESENT, VICE CHAIR GU PRESENT, UH, CHAIRMAN. PRESENT, WE HAVE YOU CAN ALLEGIANCE AND THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND REPUBLIC ONE NATION, LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL CHAIR SWEARING ON THE WITNESSES. IT'S NOW TIME FOR SWEARING THE WITNESSES. IF YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE TESTIMONY, PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE EVIDENCE YOU SHALL GIVE IN COMMISSION MEETING SHALL BE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH TO RECEIVE AND FILE. DIRECT COURT MAY HAVE A MOTION. UH, WILL MAKE THE MOTION A SECOND. THANK YOU. I'LL TURN THESE OVER TO THE STAFF. THANK YOU, CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS. UM, AND I WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU AND ALL MEMBERS FROM PUBLIC FOR BEING HERE EVENING, PARTICULARLY AS WE'RE IN A DIFFERENT SETUP, UM, ON FLOOR, UM, AT HALL. UM, AS YOU MAY HAVE SEEN, COUNCIL MEETING. FLEXIBLE FORMAT. UM, I WANNA SAY SPECIAL THANKS TO OUR SUPPORT STAFF TECHNOLOGY DEPARTMENT. THANK THIS POSSIBLE. SO APPRECIATE YOU ALL. UM, JUST A COUPLE ANNOUNCEMENTS FROM OUR SIDE. UM, I DID WANT TO SHARE THAT THE OFFICE OF EQUITY HAS FOUND A CULTURAL, UH, CULTURE AND HERITAGE CALENDAR COMMUNITY SURVEY. UM, SO THEY'RE BASICALLY LOOKING TO COLLECT, UH, DIFFERENT TYPES OF CULTURAL CELEBRATIONS, EVENTS, OR OBSERVANCES, BUT, UM, THE COMMUNITY SITES WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO RECOGNIZE AND CELEBRATE. WE KNOW THERE ARE MANY SUCH CELEBRATIONS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, UM, THAT WE, UM, THAT WE FOCUS ON HERE IN LONG BEACH AND WANTED TO TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF CENTRALIZE THAT KNOWLEDGE BASE SO THAT WE CAN SHARE IT WITH THE FULL COMMUNITY AS WE CONTINUE TO TRY TO BE, UH, MORE INCLUSIVE AND EXPANSIVE IN THE CULTURE THAT WE CELEBRATE. SO, WANTED TO SHARE THAT ON WITH THE NEWS OFFICE WEBSITE. UM, IT'S AVAILABLE AT, UM, A SURVEY AND ALL MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE, ARE WELCOME AND ENCOURAGED, UH, TO FILL IT OUT. UM, I DIDN'T NOTE THE CLOSURE DATE, BUT IF I, I'LL, I'LL SHARE THAT AS WELL. UM, AND I'M GONNA PASS IT OVER TO ALEJANDRO, UM, TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UH, THE NAVY TRUST. UM, SO THANK YOU ALLISON. THANK CHAIR COMMISSION. UM, SO WE MADE AN ANNOUNCEMENT, UH, LAST MONTH'S MEETING, UH, ABOUT AN OPENING ON THE NAVY TRUST BOARD. UH, THAT OPENING IS STILL AVAILABLE. UH, THE NAVY TRUST HAS NOTIFIED ME THAT, UH, THEY HAVE MEETING TODAY. SO THEY'LL BE COMING BACK WITH, UH, A COUPLE OF CANDIDATES. THEY, UM, WANNA PRESENT TO THE COMMISSION. UH, BUT SINCE IT'S STILL AVAILABLE, WE JUST ALSO WANNA MAKE THE ANNOUNCEMENT FOR PUBLIC OR THE COMMISSION IN CASE ANYBODY HERE, OR IF YOU KNOW ABOUT SOMEBODY WHO INTERESTED, UH, AND JOINING WITH THE TRUST. AND THEN, UM, WHILE WE'RE, WHILE WE'RE, UM, ON THAT SUBJECT, JUST WANNA CONGRATULATE COMMISSIONER, RECENT ELECTION TO PRESIDENT [00:05:07] THAT THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS ARE THE THEME QUESTIONS REGARDING THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT WILL NOT TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT. YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT. PLEASE DO SO. IF NOT , MR. ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE USE YOUR RAISE HAND FUNCTION NOW. IF IAN TELEPHONICALLY, PRESS STAR NINE NOW. THERE APPEARS TO BE THE ONE. THANK YOU. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL VOTE COMMISSIONER. YES. YES. YES. COMMISSIONER? YES. COMMISSIONER PRYOR? YES. VICE CHAIR? YES. AND CHAIRMAN GU? YES. A MOTION IS CARRIED. THANK YOU. MAD CLERK, IF YOU COULD PLEASE READ THE NEXT ITEM. YEAH. ITEM NUMBER TWO IS A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR THE CULTURAL HERITAGE COMMISSION MEETING OF TUESDAY, JULY 29TH, 2025. MAY I HAVE A MOTION? ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE MINUTES THERE? COMMENTS? IF THERE ARE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE USE THE RAISE HAND FEATURE. NOW, IF DIAL IN TELEPHONICALLY, PRESS PLEASE PRESS STAR NINE. NOW, THERE APPEARS TO BE THE ONE ON ZOOM FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. AND IF THERE'S ANY PERSON THAT WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE THE COMMENT ON ITEM TWO, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. DANA. MAD CLERK, PLEASE CALL VOTE. UH, COMMISSIONER BODA. YES. COMMISSIONER HUNTER? YES. COMMISSIONER PA PEREZ. YES. COMMISSIONER ? UH, YES. COMMISSIONER PRYOR? YES. VICE CHAIR? YES. AND CHAIRMAN? YES. MOTION IS CARRIED. THE NEXT ITEM, ITEM NUMBER THREE IS A RECOMMENDATION TO REVIEW THE LANDMARK DENOMINATION BACKGROUND MATERIALS, MAKE ALL APPROPRIATE FINDINGS, AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL TO DESIGNATE THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 3 9 1 7 COUNTRY CLUB DRIVE IN THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONE AS A LOCALLY DESIGNATED STORAGE LANDMARK BUILDING. DISTRICT FIVE MAY HAVE A MOTION TO VICE SECOND. UM, YES. UM, OUR SENIOR HISTORIC RESERVATION CENTER, ALEJANDRO , WILL PROVIDE SOME STAFF PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. UM, SO AS YOU HEARD, UH, TONIGHT, UH, COMMISSION CONSIDERING A LANDMARK CULMINATION FOR PROPERTY AT 39 17 COUNTRY CLUB DRIVE WE AND DIP INTO THIS ONE. UM, SO LOT SIZE IS ABOUT 15,000 SQUARE FEET, 4,800 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING SIZE ZONING IS R ONE L. UH, IT'S NOT LOCATED IN THAT HISTORIC DISTRICT. THIS IS IN THE, UH, LOS CERRITOS SCENARIO, UH, AS DESCRIBED HERE, IT'S THE LANDMARK, UH, REQUEST. AND THIS IS THE BUILDING. UM, SO IT'S A VERY, VERY UNIQUE BUILDING. UH, FIRST THING THAT REALLY YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IS IT'S A REALLY WIDE BUILDING. IT'S ALL ONE STORY. UH, THE LOT IS VERY WIDE HERE. SO THIS, I BELIEVE IT'S 90 FEET IN WHICH, UH, SO THE BUILDING ITSELF IS PROBABLY IN THE RANGE OF FEET OR SO. UH, SO DESPITE BEING A ONE STORY BUILDING, IT ALWAYS KIND OF PROVIDES A SORT OF A BROAD PRESENCE ON THE STREET WITH A BUILDING WIDTH. UH, IT'S A CROSS STABLE ROOF, UH, AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE JUST CENTER DOUBLE DOOR, UH, UPPER CASEMENT WINDOWS, UH, ON THE LEFT. AND PLANTS THERE ARE COVERING SOME ON THE RIGHT OF THE DOOR AS WELL. UH, HERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A CLOSER LIFT AT THESE. SO YOU'RE STANDING AT THE CENTER WALKWAY THERE, LEFT TO THE LEFT, UH, THAT IS, UH, ONE PART OF THE BUILDING. THE OTHER HALF IS JUST ON THE SECOND PHOTO THERE. UH, BUT YOU CAN SEE ON BOTH, [00:10:01] ON BOTH OF THE PHOTOS, THERE'S TWO, UH, LARGE CHIMNEYS. UH, ONE THAT'S OFF TO THE LEFT THERE ALONG THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING. AND THEN THE ONE THAT'S PAINTED GRAY ON THE PHOTO ON THE RIGHT, UH, WHICH BOTH PROVIDE, UH, INTERIOR FIRE PLACES FOR, UH, EACH OF THE DIFFERENT SPACES ON THE INTERIOR. UH, SO WHAT MAKES THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING, UH, REALLY INTRIGUING, FASCINATING IS THAT IT HAS A COURTYARD, UH, CONSIDERABLE SIZE HERE. UH, THIS BUILDING IS, UH, AN ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OF A, OF A CONTEMPORARY RANCH. UH, SO BLENDING BOTH THE CONTEMPORARY STYLE, THE, UH, RANCH STYLE. UH, SO HISTORICALLY, UH, THINK BACK TO SPANISH COLONIALS, NOT SPANISH COLONIAL REVIVALS, BUT SPANISH COLONIAL BUILDINGS ALWAYS KIND OF HAD THIS SORT OF COURTYARD SYSTEM HERE. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THIS MAKES, THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING UNIQUE, UH, THROUGHOUT ALL OF THE INDIVIDUAL INTERIOR WALLS OF BUILDING. IT'S ALL, UM, SLIDING GLASS DOORS WITH FIXED PAINT, UH, FLOOR TO CEILING, UH, PRETTY MUCH THROUGHOUT, UH, THE BUILDING, WHICH MAKES, SITS A BUILDING THAT GETS A LOT OF, UM, LIGHT, UH, BOTH ON THE INTERIOR. UH, WE ALSO WINDOWS, UH, ON THE OUTSIDE WINDOW. UH, HERE'S ANOTHER PHOTO OF THE BUILDING. UH, SO YOU KIND OF SEE JUST STANDING FROM ONE END OF THE, ON THE PHOTO ON THE LEFT, UM, THERE ARE WINDOWS THERE THAT, UH, ARE GO TO THE BEDROOMS. UH, SO YOU CAN REALLY JUST KIND OF GET A SENSE OF HOW BIG THESE, UH, FLOOR TO CEILING, UH, SLIDING DOORS AND WINDOWS ARE HERE. IT'S REALLY, REALLY IMPRESSIVE. HERE IS A PHOTO OF LOOKING AT THE BACK OF THE FRONT. THAT MAKES SENSE. UH, IF YOU CAN KIND OF PICTURE THE COURTYARD WITH, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING KIND OF WRAPPING AROUND IN A SQUARE. UH, THIS IS KIND OF WHAT YOU WOULD SEE THERE. YOU SEE AGAIN, THE HUGE, UH, GLASS WINDOWS. UH, AND THEN YOU SEE THE BRICK PLANTERS, UH, ON EITHER SIDE. ACTUALLY, LEMME GO BACK TO THAT. UM, SO IT, THE IN YOUR POCKET FOR THIS PARTICULAR, UH, NOMINATION REQUEST, IT WAS AN EVALUATION OF THE PARTICULAR BUILDING, UH, THAT GOES INTO A LOT OF DETAIL, UH, ABOUT THE PARTICULAR BUILDING, UH, ABOUT THE OWNERSHIP. UH, ONE OF THE INTERESTING FACTORS HERE IS THAT, THAT THE BUILDING WAS COMMISSIONED BY, UH, THE OWNER OF THE ATKINSON BRICK COMPANY, UH, WHICH WAS LOCATED IN COMPTON AT THE TIME, AND PROBABLY OUTTA BUSINESS 2002. SO, YEAH, THERE YOU GO. SO I WENT OUTTA BUSINESS, UM, NOT THAT LONG AGO, UH, ABOUT IT FROM, FROM THAT STANDPOINT. UH, ONE OF THE OTHER REALLY FASCINATING THINGS THAT, UH, THE OWNER POINTED OUT, UH, IS, IS THE, UM, THE ROOFIE, UH, THE ROOFIE ONE ARE VERY WIDE. UM, AND THEY ARE NOT EVEN THROUGHOUT THE HOUSE. SO IN THE, IN THE COURTYARD, GO BACK ONE. UH, SO IN THIS ONE YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT A LITTLE BIT. UM, BUT IT WAS REALLY DESIGNED IN A CUSTOM WAY TO REALLY KIND OF THINK ABOUT THE SUN, THE SUN'S LOCATION THROUGHOUT THE DAY. UH, SO AS YOU ARE OUT THERE ENJOYING THE SUN, UH, DON'T GET TOO MUCH OF THE HOUSE BASED ON THE TIME, UH, THE SUN ROTATES OVER THE BUILDING, WHICH IS, I THOUGHT, REALLY IT JUST A REALLY FASCINATING DETAIL IN THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING. UH, AGAIN, THIS BUILDING REALLY KIND OF SPEAKS TO 50 60 SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, UM, SORT OF LIFESTYLE. SO THIS BUILDING REALLY IS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THAT PARTICULAR LIFESTYLE WHERE YOU CAN LIVE IN CALIFORNIA, HOW THE WHOLE, UH, LIVE INDOOR OUTDOORS. YOU CAN HAVE A COCKTAIL PARTY, WHICH IS REALLY KIND OF FASCINATING AND JUST KIND OF REALLY EMPHASIZES THAT PARTICULAR THING FROM, FROM THAT PERIOD OF SIX EIGHT. UH, GOING, UH, AND LOOKING AT THE OTHER PARTS OF THE HOUSE HERE, THESE ARE JUST THE TWO SIDE ELEVATIONS HERE. UH, SO YOU CAN AGAIN, SEE THE ROOFIES THERE THAT ARE PRETTY WIDE. THEY'RE ALL BOXED IN AND SEALED. UH, YOU CAN ALSO SEE THAT THROUGHOUT THE HOUSE, THE UPPER BASEMENT, ALUMINUM WINDOWS. UH, ARE THERE. UH, ANOTHER INTERESTING FACT ABOUT THIS HOUSE IS THAT IT DOES NOT HAVE A, A HUNG WINDOW ANYWHERE IN THE BUILDING, WHICH IS ALSO REALLY FASCINATING. UH, THIS IS WHAT YOU SEE AT THE BACK OF THE BUILDING. SO THIS IS, UH, THE, THESE TWO PHOTOS ARE TAKEN, UH, STANDING IN THE REAR YARD. THERE AGAIN, YOU SEE THE CONTINUATION OF LARGE HEAVE OVERHANGS, UH, THE ALUMINUM KEYSMITH WINDOW. AND THAT DOOR THAT YOU SEE ON THE PICTURE TO THE LEFT IS THE, UH, ACCESS DOOR, UH, TO THE REAR YARD THERE. OH, ANOTHER REALLY JUST INTERESTING POINT IS, UM, TO HIGHLIGHT HERE IS THAT THERE'S A VERY SMALL WINDOW. I APOLOGIZE, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE ABLE TO SEE IT. UH, BUT ON THE RIGHT PICTURE THERE, THERE IS A VERY SORT OF [00:15:01] LONG, RECTANGULAR SMALL WINDOW THERE THAT GOES UNDER THE VANITY. UH, SO IT WAS A WAY TO KIND OF PROVIDE SOME LIGHT, UH, INTO AN OTHERWISE, UH, DARK SPACE STORE. UH, GIVEN THE OWNER'S HISTORY HERE IN OWNING THE BRICK COMPANY. UH, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT'S VERY, UH, UNIQUE ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING IS THAT, UM, THERE'S JUST SOME DETAIL TO THE BRICK. AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, IT'S KIND OF WEIRD TO SAY THAT BECAUSE BRICK IS BRICK, BUT, UM, IT ALSO WASN'T BRICK. I THINK FOR THE OWNER, IT WAS A WAY TO REALLY KIND OF HIGHLIGHT HIS OR SHOWCASE HIS PRODUCTS. UH, SO THE WHOLE FRONT FACADE AND OTHER PORTIONS OF THE BUILDING, UM, ALL SHOWCASE THE BRICK. UH, THERE IS SOME SMALL DIFFERENTIATION IN THERE WITH THE MORTAR, UM, THE SIZE, AND I BELIEVE THE PATTERN AS WELL. UH, SO EVEN THOUGH THE CHANGE IS VERY SUBTLE, UH, THE CHANGE IS THERE, THERE'S REALLY, UH, A GOOD AMOUNT THOUGHT THAT WENT INTO THIS LAYOUT HERE. OKAY. THESE ARE PHOTOS OF THE GARAGE. SO THE ONE, THE PHOTO ON THE LEFT THERE IS JUST KIND OF A, AGAIN, A PHOTOGRAPH OF ME STANDING IN THE REAR YARD, UH, SHOWING THE BACKSIDE OF THE GARAGE. AND THE PHOTO ON THE RIGHT WHERE YOU SEE THE CARS, THAT IS THE, UH, UH, WHERE YOU SEE THE GARAGE DOORS, THERE'S ALL ACCESS TO THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING. UH, SO THE GARAGE IS ATTACHED, UH, AND THERE IS A SMALL DOORWAY, UM, INTO THE GARAGE FROM THE HOUSE. UH, WITH THAT SAID, WE DO BELIEVE, UH, THAT THIS, UH, BUILDING DOES MEET THE CITY'S, UH, LANDMARK DESIGNATION CRITERIA FOR, UH, ONE AND THREE. UH, SO STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION, UH, DUE TO ITS UNIQUENESS, UH, IT'S, UM, SORT OF REPRESENTATION OF WHAT JESUS ARCHITECTURAL STYLE MEANS IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA AND LONG BEACH. UM, SO WITH THAT, I WILL FINALIZE MY PRESENTATION AND, UH, OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. UM, IS THE APPLICANT HERE TODAY? WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THE, YOUR INTENT? YES. WOULD LIKE YOU TO UNDERST STAND HERE, MEETING CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS CULTURAL HERITAGE COMMISSION. MY NAME'S SARAH L AND I'M THE AUTHOR OF THE FOUNDATION AND ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY, BRIAN ASHLEY, SCOTT, SECRET SUPPORT AND DESIGNATING THE ATKINSON HOUSE AS A LOCAL HISTORIC LANDMARK. I HAVE ASHLEY WITH TODAY. UH, THIS RESIDENT AS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF A CUSTOM CONTEMPORARY RANCH STYLE HOME, IT UNIQUELY REPRESENTS A PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANT INNOVATION IN POSTWAR RESIDENTIAL DESIGN, SHOWCASING AN EXCEPTIONAL LEVEL OF INTEGRITY WITH ITS ORIGINAL FEATURES, MATERIALS, AND WORKMANSHIP ALL INACT. WHAT SETS THE ATKINSON BRICK APART IS ITS SYNTHESIS OF THOUGHTFUL ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN AND PIONEERING TECHNOLOGY FROM THE STREET. ITS HORIZON PAIRED WITH A LOW PITCH CROSSFIT ROOF AND WIDE EASE ARE HALLMARK FEATURES OF A RANCHO. THE PRIMARY AND ALL SECONDARY ELEVATIONS HAVE WINDOWS HIGH ACHIEVING COMPLETE PRIVACY FROM THE STREET AND ALL THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS. BUT ONCE YOU STEP INSIDE THROUGH THE DOUBLE DOORS TO THE PRIMARY EN ENTRANCE, THE EXTENSIVE USE OF GLASS AND SLIDING DOORS TO EACH ROOM. IN THIS TWO PART INTERLOCKING FLOOR PLAN MADE FOR A SEAMLESS DESIGN FOR INDOOR AND OUTDOOR LIVING. THIS HOME WAS NOT ONLY INNOVATIVE FOR ITS USE OF SPACE, BUT I WANNA CALL OUT ALL THE ALL ELECTRIC FEATURES AND TECHNOLOGY FOR THE PERIOD. THIS INCLUDES A BUILT-IN JUKEBOX AND THE MULTI-ROOM SOUND SYSTEM, AND IT FEATURES A SOPHISTICATED 12 VOLT RECON BLADE SYSTEM, WHICH ALLOWED FOR UNPRECEDENTED CONTROL AND STEP SAVING CONVENIENCE. THE WHOLE HOUSE LIGHTING SYSTEM CAN BE OPERATED WITH MASTER SWITCHES AT THE ENTRANCE IN THE PRIMARY BEDROOMS TO CONTROL ALL LIGHTS THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE, THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE HOUSE WITH A SINGLE ACTION. THESE UNIQUE SYSTEMS GO FAR BEYOND WHAT WAS FOUND IN TYPICAL HOMES OF THE AREA. THIS PROPERTY MEETS THE CITY'S CRITERIA FOR HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION AND ITS PRESERVATION WILL BE A SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTION TO THE CITY'S RICH LEGACY OF POSTWAR RESIDENTIAL DESIGN. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. WITHOUT DURATION OF THIS NOMINATION, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. MY COPY, I HAVE ONE QUESTION. THE ORIGINAL BRICK FSAD WAS, WAS NOT PAINTED, CORRECT? CORRECT. AND WAS THERE ANY THOUGHT OF RESTORING IT BACK TO THE, THE ORIGINAL? YES. I THINK THE CAN SPEAK TO THAT YOU'D LIKE, BUT, UM, SO WE, FOR THE LAST ORIGINAL CARS AND FOR OUR JOBS AS WELL, SO WE'RE, WE'RE NOT DOING THE RESTORATION, BUT WE, WE, THE PHOTOS WE SAW OF THE INTERIOR COURTYARD, ALL OF THAT RED BRICK, THE HOUSE REMAINED UNPAINTED FOR 65 YEARS AND IT WOULD'VE BEEN ON THE MARKET FOR SALE RIGHT BEFORE WE [00:20:01] BOUGHT IT ADMINIS. SO WE, OUR NEXT STEP IS TO DO THE PATIENT AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. BUT IT WAS AN INTERESTING PICTURE. I THINK IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE KINSON FAMILY MM-HMM. WITH A YOUNG BOY IN FRONT OF THE, THE FRONT DOOR. OH YES. AND IT'S, IT'S THE BRICK. THE ORIGINAL BRICK WAS BEAUTIFUL. IT'S BEAUTIFUL. I UNDERSTAND YOUR YES. EFFORT AND THE EXPENSE GOING ABOVE THAT COMMISSION THERE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER? I, I'M JUST CURIOUS, SINCE THE G BOX STILL EXISTS, IT'S, IT STILL EXISTS. IT'S NOT WORKING. IT WORKS. OH, IT DOES. YEAH. WE GOT WORKING AGAIN, ONE OF THE INTERCOM SYSTEM AND JUKEBOX HAS PLUMPED. THERE ARE SPEAKERS IN EVERY ROOM OF THE HOUSE WITH A BODY CONTROL, INCLUDING THE POOL DECK AND THE BACK DOOR. WOW. SO YOU, IT TRULY WAS THE ENTERTAINMENT HOUSE IN THE ERA. AND THE LIGHTING IS, WELL, THAT'S YEAH. LENGTH. EVEN THE SWITCHES ARE VINTAGE, LIKE DEAD. I WATCHED THE VIDEO THAT WAS ATTACHED THAT WAS REALLY IMPRESS THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE AND THE LOVE THAT YOU PUT INTO IT. UH, I REALLY, I, I JUST, IT'S BEAUTIFUL TO SEE THAT AND TO SEE HOW YOU GUYS, UH, RESTORED THINGS, EVEN THE, THE DETAILS OF THE KNOBS. AND SO THAT'S A LOT OF WORK. YOU GUYS REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. YEAH. ANYONE ELSE HERE WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS ITEM VIRTUALLY? WELL IN PERSON IF YOU'D LIKE TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEM THREE, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND OR STAND IN YOUR SEAT. STATE NONE IN PERSON. IF THERE'S ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE USE THE RAISE HAND FEATURE NOW. AND IF DIVING IN TELEPHONICALLY, PRESS STAR NINE NOW. THERE IS NO ONE ON ZOOM TO PROVIDE FOR THE THANK YOU MS. ANY FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS? ONE, ONE QUESTION THAT I MIGHT HAVE IS, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE MILL ACT? YEAH. AND YOUR INTENT IS TO APPLY NEXT YEAR? YEAH, I, I UNDERSTOOD IT TO BE VERY SATURATED. SO I, ONE, ONE THING THAT HAS COME UP APPLICANTS, UH, PROCEEDED WITH WORK AND THEN APPLIED FOR THE MILLS ACT, WHICH, UM, AGAIN, A KNOW IF YOU'D LIKE TO EXPLAIN TO HER, YOU NEED TO LAY, LAY LOW ON THE BIG STUFF UNTIL, 'CAUSE WE HAD TO TURN SOMEBODY DOWN BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THE WORK WAS ALREADY CONTINUED. SURE. YEAH. I I CAN JUST, UH, PROVIDE A LITTLE BRIEF DESCRIPTION ABOUT THE PROCESS. YEAH. SO WHAT THE CHAIR MENTIONED IS THAT YEAH, THE MILLS ACT, UH, PART OF THE PROCESS IS THAT PRESENTING PLAN OR WORK PLAN, UH, THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DONE OVER A 10 YEAR PERIOD. UH, IN SOME INSTANCES PROPERTY OWNERS DO WORK. UM, THE WAY THE PROGRAM WORKS IS IT, UM, IT TAKES A FORM OF A, A CONTRACT. UH, SO IN THAT CONTRACT YOU THERE 14 YEARS, SOMETIMES THERE'S RISK, UH, TOO MUCH WORK. IS THAT BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S MEANT TO ADDRESS HOMES THAT ARE THE DATA VERY CORRECT. BUT I'M SURE YOU'RE GONNA FIND LOTS OF ITEMS TO, TO ADDRESS OVER THE YEARS. VERY . I DID INQUIRE IN THE VIRGINIA COUNTRY CLUB AREA, THIS PARTICULAR LANDMARKS REQUEST IN, UH, A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORS DIDN'T KNOW THE OWNER, BUT WERE INTRIGUED ABOUT THE HOUSE. SO MAYBE ONE OF THESE DAYS YOU COULD HAVE AN OPEN HOUSE. I KNOW THEY DO HAVE, UH, A DINNER EVENT EVERY MONTH THAT ONE OF THE HOUSES. RIGHT. IT'S REALLY GOOD WAY TO, TO MEET YOUR NEIGHBORS. RIGHT. UH, A PRETTY INVOLVED IN OUR COMMUNITY STORY ASPECT. LOVE THAT COMMUNITY. SO WE DID SOME WE HISTORIC HOME TOURS LAST YEAR. [00:25:04] THANK YOU FOR YOUR APPLICATION. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO ON? ANOTHER QUESTION. UM, COMMISSIONER . UH, IS THERE ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THIS HOUSE? THERE'S ONE THAT WAS VERY, WE WENT DOWN THAT ROUTE THINKING THAT MAY HAVE BEEN, BUT NOTHING, NOTHING QUITE, IT'S SINCE BEEN RENOVATED AND IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT ANYMORE. SURE. BUT IT HAS A S WHERE FEEL TO IT WITH THE FLOOR TO CEILING WINDOWS. AND AGAIN, IT'S REALLY, AND IT WAS THE SAME CONTRACTOR AS ALL . OH, THAT'S INTERESTING. I WAS INTRIGUED WITH THE KITCHEN AND, UH, SOME OF THE SWITCHES AND THE COUNTERTOP, UH, COLOR. IT'S, YEAH, PROBABLY NOT A, PROBABLY A FAVORITE COLOR OF TODAY'S, UM, MODERN KITCHEN, BUT YEAH, IT, IT'S CLASSIC. WE REALLY DOWN THIS PATH, WE'RE REALLY DEDICATED NOW. IT'S GREAT TO SEE NORMALLY LANDMARK STATUS AND MILL SOMETIMES GO SAME APPLICATION. MM-HMM . SO YOU GUYS WILL SEE YOU NEXT IN THE SPRING WHEN WE HAVE THE WORKSHOPS AND, AND SO ON. WE JUST APPROVE THE LAST, UH, MILL APPLICANTS LAST, LAST HEARING AND SOME VERY INTERESTING PROPERTIES. SO YOU BEEN RIGHT IN AT THIS TIME. IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, CALL FROM THE VOTE. COMMISSIONER BO? YES. COMMISSIONER HUNTER? YES. COMMISSIONER PEREZ. COMMISSIONER PIT. YES. COMMISSIONER PRYOR? YES. VICE CHAIR? YES. AND CHAIRMAN WON? YES. MOTION IS CARRIED. , I RECOGNIZE YOU FROM PREVIOUS, UH, PRESERVATION CLERK. YES. ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND ADOPT PROPOSED FAMILY AND CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THERE TOO FOR CONSTRUCTION OF A ONE STORY NINE SQUARE FOOT ADDITION TO THE REAR OF AN EXISTING 9 88 SQUARE FOOT SINGLE RESIDENCE AND CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW ATTACHED FIVE SEVEN SQUARE FOOT TWO CAR GARAGE AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY. THE PROJECT SITE IS LOCATED AT 4 1 2 5 EAST SIXTH STREET WITHIN THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STANDARD LOT AND IS A CONTRIBUTING TRUCTURE BELMONT HEIGHT DISTRICT DISTRICT THREE A THE SECOND. DO WE HAVE A PRESENTATION? YES. PROJECT PLANNER PROVIDE THIS PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, UH, CHAIR COMMISSIONERS FOR YOU. THIS EVENING IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE HERE FOR 41 25 EAST SIXTH STREET WITHIN THE BELMONT HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE PROJECT SITE IS LOCATED AT 41 25 EAST SIXTH STREET WITHIN THE BELMONT HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT AND IS ZONED R ONE N FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USE. THE LOT SIZE IS APPROXIMATELY 6,335 SQUARE FEET WITH THE BUILDING SIZE OF 988 SQUARE FEET. THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, AND WEST ARE ALSO ALL ZONE FOR R ONE. AND THE GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS FCN UH, DASH TWO. THE PROJECT SITE WAS DEVELOPED IN 1922 AS A SINGLE STORY, SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING IN THE CRAFTSMAN ARCHITECTURAL SITE. THE PROJECT REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW ONE STORY 900 SQUARE FOOTAGE EDITION TO AN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING, ALONG WITH A NEW 507 SQUARE FOOT ATTACHED TWO-CAR GARAGE, BOTH LOCATED AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY. THE STRUCTURE IS A HISTORICALLY CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE WITHIN THE BELMONT HIGH DISTRICT. THIS IS THE EXISTING SITE PLAN FOR 41 25 EAST SIXTH STREET. THE PRIMARY DWELLING IS CENTRALLY LOCATED ON THE LOT, AND WHILE NO PERMITS ARE OHIO, THE DETACHED ONE CAR GARAGE APPEARS TO BE FROM THE SAME AREA. THE DWELLING IS ORIENTED WITH ITS FRONT FACING EAST SIXTH STREET TO THE REAR. THERE IS AN OPEN YARD AREA WITH ACCESS FROM THE ALLEY WHERE THE PROPOSED [00:30:01] GARAGE IN ADDITION, WILL BE LOCATED. THE EXISTING SITE IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH A ONE CAR GARAGE AND A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE. THE DWELLING CONSISTS OF SEVEN GENERAL AREAS COMPRISING OF AN OPEN FLOOR PLANT THAT INCLUDES A COMBINED LIVING AND DINING AREA. THE KITCHEN PROVIDES ACCESS TO THE EAST SIDE OF THE YARD AND DRIVEWAY WHILE THE LAUNDRY ROOM CONNECTS THE INNER YARD TO THE WEST. TWO BEDROOMS ARE SITUATED SHARING A SINGLE UH, BATHROOM, THE FRONT AND SOUTH FACING, UH, STREET ELEVATION SHOWCASES AND ASYMMETRICAL ELEVATION DEFINED BY ITS BROAD FRONT FACING GABLE EXPOSED RAPTOR TAILS AND A PARTIAL WIDTH COVER FOR SUPPORTED BY THICK COLUMNS IN A COMBINATION OF BATTER SIDES OVER MASONRY COLUMNS. THE STRUCTURE IS CLAD AND HORIZONTAL WOOD SIDING PAINTED A DARK BLUE WITH WHITE TRIM ACCENTS THAT HIGHLIGHT THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES, INCLUDING THE WINDOWS AND STRUCTURE THAT CONTRIBUTE TO THE CRAFTING CHARACTER OF THE HOLE. THREE HUNG WINDOWS WITH WHITE STREAM ARE SYMMETRICALLY ARRANGED ACROSS THE FRONT. THE SOCK CONTRIBUTING TO A STRONG HORIZONTAL EMPHASIS. THE FORGE IS ACCESS VIA WIDE CONCRETE STEPS. THE EAST ELEVATION FEATURES A NARROW SIDE YARD IN A DRIVEWAY THAT EXPANDS ALONG THE PROPERTY PLAN, PROVIDING ACCESS TO THE REAR OF THE BUILDING OF THE DWELLING. THE FACADE MAINTAINS A CONSISTENT HORIZONTAL WOODSIDE PAINTED IN A DARK BLUE FINISH ACCENTED WITH DECORATIVE WHITE WOOD TRIM AROUND THE WINDOWS. AND THE FACADE INCLUDES A SERIES OF DOUBLE HUNG STASH WINDOWS ALONG THE ELEVATION. THE EVE OVERHANG IS SUPPORTED BY EXPOSED DRAFTERS CONSISTENT WITH THE BUNDLE OF STYLE. UM, SORRY. YES. SECONDARY SET ENTRY DOOR IS LOCATED TOWARDS THE REAR OF THE ELEVATION, ACCESSED BY SMALL CONCRETE, UH, CONCRETE SOUP THAT ARE NOT ORIGINAL. THE DOOR IS SECURED WITH A DECORATIVE NON-ORIGINAL METAL, UH, SECURITY SCREEN. AND LANDSCAPING IS MINIMAL WITHIN NARROW PLANTING STRIP RUNNING ALONG THE BASE OF THE WALL ADJACENT TO THE PAVED DIRECTIVE. THE NORTH ELEVATION IS PLAID. HORIZONTAL SIDING FINISHED IN DARK BLUE WITH, UH, THE SAME CONTRASTING ELECTRO TRIM THAT DEFINES THE WINDOW OF THE DOOR. THE SECONDARY REAR ENTRY DOOR IS ACCESSED BY A CONCRETE STARE WITH METAL RAILING PROVIDING SERVICE ACCESS TO THE DWELLING. CENTERED ON THE ELEVATION IS A PROJECTING GABLE, WHICH OSTA SIZES TO THE REAR MASSING DWELLING. OVERALL, THE NORTH ELEVATION DEMONSTRATES THE SAME ARCHITECTURE AS THE FRONT AND DECIDES MAINTAINING CONTINUITY THROUGH THE USE OF SIDING. TRIM ROOF OVER ME AND TRADITIONAL WINDOWS. THE WEST ELEVATION IS PLAID AND HORIZONTAL WITH SIDING SWELL LIKE TRIM. UH, THE WINDOWS REGULARLY SPACED. THE SHALLOW EVE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE EAST ELEVATION AND THE ELEVATION OPENS ONTO A NARROW SIDE YARD. IF THEY LANDSCAPE. THE REAR YARD CONSISTS PRIMARILY OF OPEN HARDSCAPE, PROVIDING AMPLE SPACE FOR CIRCULATION AND OUTDOOR USE. A BIG WALKWAY, UH, ALONG THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY PROVIDES ACCESS TO ACCESSORY STRUCTURES. VEGETATION IS LIMITED TO SMALL PLANTING AND EXISTING TREES ON THE WEST PROPERTY LINE, AND THE MAJORITY OF THE YARD IS UNOBSTRUCTED. UH, SO THIS IS THE PROPOSED SIDE PLAN. THE PROPOSED SIDE PLAN ILLUSTRATES THE 900 SQUARE FOOT EDITION THAT POPS OUT FOUR FEET, SEVEN INCHES FROM THE EXISTING WALL PLANE MAKING THE ADDITION DISCERNIBLE AND THE 507 SQUARE FOOT TWO CAR GARAGE LOCATED AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY. THE PROPOSED FOUR FOOT SEVEN INCH EDITION WILL ALLOW FOR ADDITIVE CLEARANCE AND FUNCTIONALITY FOR THE NEW ADDITION, WHILE ACCOMMODATING THE INTERIOR FLOOR PLAN TO PROVIDE ACCESS AND USABILITY. THE EXISTING DETACHED GARAGE WILL ALSO BE CONVERTED INTO AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, BUT ITS EXTERIOR APPEARANCE, UH, INCLUDING THE GARAGE DOORS WILL BE PRESERVED SO THAT IT CONTINUES TO READ AS A DETACHED GARAGE AND THE REAR EDITION DOES NOT. OB HERE DIS ARRANGEMENT AND MAINTAINS THE PROPERTY'S HISTORICAL SPATIAL RELATIONSHIP, UH, OF THE SITE. THE PROPOSED FLOOR PLAN ILLUSTRATES A COHESIVE LAYOUT INTEGRATING THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE, NEW ADDITION AND GARAGE. THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE MAINTAINS AN UPPER FLOOR PLAN. THE PROPOSED ADDITION IS HIGHLIGHTED IN ORANGE OR NEW BEDROOM, BATHROOM AND CLOSED, UH, CLOSET HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE FOR THE NEW MASTER BEDROOM. UH, MASTER BATH AND MASTER CLOSET AND A HALLWAY AXIS AND LIGHT GRADE ARE ALL LOCATED AT THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE. EXPANDING INTERIOR LIVING SPACES. THE PROPOSED GARAGE HIGHLIGHTED IN DARKER GRAY WILL PROVIDE TWO PARKLEY SPACES [00:35:01] AND WILL HAVE ALLEY ACCESS. THE PROPOSED SOUTH ELEVATION IS VIEWED FROM EAST SIXTH STREET, INDICATES NO MODIFICATIONS TO THE FRONT FACADE OR PROPOSED A PORTION OF THE NEW ADDITION WILL BE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. THE SOUTH ELEVATION MAINTAINS THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL SCALE AND MASSING CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONTEXT. A MI A MINOR POPUP, UH, POP-OUT ADDITION IS VISIBLE TOWARDS THE REAR OF THE ELEVATION, PROJECTING, UH, FOUR FEET, SEVEN INCHES FROM THE MAIN WALL PLANE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE. THIS MODEST EXTENSION IS SEAMLESSLY INTEGRATED INTO THE OVERALL ASSIGNED DESIGN, PUSH BACK MORE THAN 50 FEET, LOWER AND HEIGHT THAN THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, AND MAINTAINS THE SAME FLAT AND HORIZONTAL WIDTH SIDING, UH, INTO THE DARK. THE PROPOSED EAST ELEVATION PRESENTS A CONTINUOUS SIDE FACADE AND ADDITION WILL INCORPORATE SIMILAR ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES SUCH AS WITH SIDING WITH WINDOWS, SAME FLOOR, UH, ROOF SLOPE, WHILE NOT CREATING A FALSE SENSE OF ROOF. UM, FOR THE PROPOSED NORTH ELEVATION, UM, REPRESENTS THE REAR FACADE OF A PROPERTY AND IS DEFINED BY THE NEW TWO CAR GARAGE, WHICH INCORPORATES A GATEWAY ROOF THAT COMPLIMENTS THE EXISTING RESIDENCE IN SCALE AND FORM THE EXTERIOR MATERIALS AND DETAILING, UH, COMPATIBILITY WITH THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE AND CREATED COHESIVE EXPERIENCE WHEN VIEWED FROM THE ALLEY ON THE INTERIOR YARD. THE FACADE FEATURES A NEW SET OF FRENCH DOORS THAT PROVIDE AXIS WHILE MAINTAINING BALANCED RELATIONSHIP WITH THE OVERALL CLUB. THE PROPOSED WEST ELEVATION PRESENTS A LONG LINEAR FACADE ORIENTED TOWARDS THE SIDE YARD, MAINTAINING THE OVERALL MASSING OF THE RESIDENCE WHILE INCORPORATING THE NEW ADDITION. THE ELEVATION IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE IN SCALE MATERIALS AND DETAILING WITH HORIZONTAL SIDING. AGAIN, WOOD TRIM WINDOWS, UH, CONTINUING ACROSS THE FACADE. THE REDUCED PLATE HEIGHT AND STEP BACK OF THE ADDITION HELP TO CLEARLY DISTINGUISH THE NEW CONSTRUCTION FROM THE ORIGINAL DWELL, ENSURING THAT THE ADDITION REMAINS SUBORDINATE AND VISUALLY COMPATIBLE. HERE ARE THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL SPECIFIC TO THE WINDOWS AS PART OF THE PROJECT ON THE WINDOWS PROPOSED IN. THE ADDITION MUST BE, UH, WINDOWS TO MAINTAIN COMPATIBILITY TO THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF PROPERTY. FINAL WINDOW OF, UH, SPECIFICATION WILL BE REVIEWED AT THE PLANT CHECK STAGE AND MUST INCLUDE THE MANUFACTURER SERIES NAME MODEL, AND VERIFY DEFENSES OF THIS. HERE ARE THE REQUIRED FINDINGS, ONE THROUGH FOUR, UH, LISTED AN ORDER FOR THE CULTURAL HERITAGE COMMISSION. UM, AND STAFF MADE THESE FINDINGS AND BE POSITIVE. ON AUGUST 8TH, 2020 FIVE, THREE HUNDRED AND FORTY ONE, PUBLIC HEARING NOTICES WERE MAILED AND NO COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED. THE PROJECT WAS DETERMINED TO BE CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT FROM CE Q UNDER SECTION 15 3 0 3 A FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION OF SMALL STRUCTURES. SO NO FURTHER ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW IS REQUIRED. UM, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS ALONG WITH FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. THE PROJECT INCLUDES A NEW ONE STORY 900 SQUARE FOOT EDITION TO THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY TW AND A NEW 507 SQUARE FOOT ATTACHED TO CAR GARAGE AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY. UM, ALL LOCATED AT 41 25 EAST SIXTH STREET. THAT CONCLUDES, UM, STAFF PRESENTATION. I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE, UM, AT THE APPLICANT, UH, WEAVER FAMILY, IT'S ALSO HERE. WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION AT THIS TIME? VERY BRIEFLY. UM, MY NAME'S CASEY. THIS IS MARIELLE, SORRY, NEGATIVE TWO MONTH OLD. UM, JUST VERY PROUDLY RAISING A FOURTH GENERATION LONG BEACH FAMILY. LUCKY TO BE ABLE TO BUY A SMALL HOME IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE GREW UP IN OR ADJACENT TO. UM, WHEN MARIELLE AND I BOUGHT IT, IT WAS BEFORE NOLAN WAS HERE, BEFORE OUR FAMILY WAS GROWING. AND NOW WE LIVE IN A 988 SQUARE FOOT, UH, SINGLE FAMILY CRAFTSMAN, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, VERY COMMON IN THE CITY OF LONG BEACH, BUT A SINGLE CLOSET, NO PANTRY, ONE BATHROOM WITH AROUND FAMILY IS A BIT OF A CHALLENGE. UM, SO WE'RE FORTUNATE TO HAVE THE SPACE ON OUR LOT TO BE ABLE TO BUILD SOMETHING OUT. WE CONSIDERED GOING A YEAR ROUTE AT ONE POINT, UH, DECIDED IT WASN'T THE RIGHT FOR FAMILY. SO MORE FORTUNATE TO BE ABLE TO FOOTAGE [00:40:01] OUR HOME. UM, YEAH, AND RAISE. THANK YOU, CASEY. ANY QUESTIONS? MR, THIS IS FOR STAFF. I THINK IT WAS IN THE STAFF REPORT OR PERHAPS ATTACHMENT TWO OR THREE. I THINK THERE WAS JUST A LITTLE BIT OF CONFUSION ABOUT THE GUIDELINES THAT WERE APPLIED. THE DESIGN GUIDELINES AT ONE POINT IT SAYS, AND THEN ANOTHER POINT IT SAYS MINIMAL TRADITIONAL. I JUST WANT CLARIFICATION. IT, IT WAS, YEAH. OKAY. SO IT'S SUPPOSED TO BOTH BECAUSE I'M LIKE, OKAY, THAT WAS IT. SO I PROBABLY THAT BEFORE IT GETS HIGHER. UM, COMMISSION PIZZA. UH, SEVERAL QUESTIONS. UM, FIRST SORT OF ON MISTAKES AS YOU OR TYPOS, UM, I'M NOTICING ON THE ELEVATION, UH, THE NEW ELEVATION, THE SQUARE WINDOWS, THE TWO IN THE MASTER BEDROOM, ONE IS BEING THE DIMENSION AND THE OTHER IS TWO SIX. BUT ON THE PLANS THEY'RE ALL TWO SIX. AND I JUST WANNA CONFIRM THAT THAT SHOULD BE TWO SIX. THAT WOULD BE THE, UH, SO THE 1, 2, 3, 4 FIFTH WINDOW FROM THE LEFT IS YOU IT LARGER THAN THE OTHER ONE TO ITS RIGHT. AND THAT'S THE MASTER BEDROOM RIGHT THERE. SO, UM, I'M ONE MASTER THE NATIONAL PLAN OVERSIGHT. TOTAL OVERSIGHT. YEAH. UH, SO I HAVE A CONTRACTING BUSINESS AS WELL, VERY DETAIL ORIENTED, SOMEBODY WHO'S FAIRLY ABOUT THINGS. HAVE YOU CONSIDERED THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THIS ROW OF THE SAME WINDOW HAD, DID YOU CONSIDER MAYBE IN THE MASTER PUTTING THOSE WINDOWS TOGETHER SIMILAR TO SOME OF THE OTHER WINDOWS ON YOUR HOME WHERE YOU HAD A GANG OF WINDOWS OR TOO CLOSER TO ONE ANOTHER AS OPPOSED TO THIS YOU REPEATED FASHION? I'M ALSO CURIOUS ABOUT WHY YOU CHOSE TO BE CASEMENT WINDOWS HERE AS OPPOSED TO YEAH, I MEAN, I GUESS, UM, I DID NOT CONSIDER PUTTING THEM TOGETHER. UH, MAYBE IN A WAY TO DISTINGUISH FROM THE ORIGINAL STORE. ONE OF THE REASONS TO BE CASEMENT WINDOWS, TO BE HONEST, IS THE WAY THAT THE HOUSE IS ORIENTED. OUR AFTERNOON BREEZE COMES DIRECTLY FROM THE WEST, AND I THINK IT'S GONNA BE NICE TO PULL THE WINDOWS OUT AND CATCH AS MUCH WINDOWS OF THAT AS WE CAN. UM, THE DOUBLE DOWN WINDOWS JUST GOES STRAIGHT UP AND DOWN. I MEAN, WE COULD DO IT, BUT, UM, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF LIKE A FUNCTIONAL CONSIDERATION THAT SENSE, UH, LOOKING THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I MEAN, OUR NEIGHBOR, NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR LITERALLY DID SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR, UM, AS FAR AS WINDOWS AND TIRES AND SIZES. UH, SO YOU DO SEE 'EM AND IT FEELS APPROPRIATE, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S 6 0 1 HALF THIS, BUT THERE'S A DETAIL ON THE DOUBLE RUN, WHICH IS THE KOJI LOT, WHICH IS ALSO A DECORATIVE FEATURE, UM, AND A FUNCTIONAL ONE FOR THE TOP OF THE , UM, ET CETERA. SO THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT THE CRAFTSMAN SPIRIT THAT'S SORT OF LOST IN CASEY WINDOW. I BELIEVE THAT THEM BEING, UM, SQUARE. BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST GONNA THROW THAT OUT. I'LL BE CURIOUS ABOUT MY OTHER VALID PERMISSION ABOUT THAT. BUT IT'S JUST A, THE ONLY OTHER CONSIDERATION IN THIS CASE IS THAT WALL IS GONNA FACE OUR NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY AND IT'S RIGHT AGAINST THE FOUR SETBACK. UM, SO IT'S SIMPLY NOT VISIBLE OVER ANYBODY, UNLESS FROM LIKE A TECHNICAL ACCURACY POINT OF VIEW. FUNCTIONALITY WILL KNOW, YOU'LL KNOW. UM, A COMMENT ABOUT THE WINDOWS, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT'S INSURANCE. BUT I, WHAT I DO APPRECIATE ABOUT THE BASEMENT WINDOWS IS THAT THEY, THEY, WE DO OFTEN SEE SQUARE SHAPED WINDOWS ON CRAFTSMAN ARCHITECTURE. USUALLY THAT'S PLANKED IN A FIREPLACE OR MAYBE IF IT'S A SMALL BATHROOM WINDOW, BUT IT ISN'T UNCOMMON TO SEE, I, I ACTUALLY AM GLAD IF YOU HAD TO MAKE A CHOICE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER IF YOU WENT THIS WAY. UM, BECAUSE YOU COULD STILL DO THAT VERY [00:45:01] NICE CRAFTSMAN TRIM AROUND IT. AND I THINK IT'S STILL A VERY APPROPRIATE, UM, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S ALSO HARD TO ACHIEVE RES UM, WINDOW OPENING SIZE WITH A SINGLE DOUBLE OR DOUBLE ON WINDOW. THAT CAN BE VERY DIFFICULT. SO SOMETIMES HAVING A CASEMENT IS ACTUALLY BETTER BECAUSE IT GIVES YOU A WIDER OPENING. AND AS YOU WERE SAYING, PASSIVE POOLING IS BETTER FOR OUR ENVIRONMENT. WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO RUN THE AIR CONDITIONING, YOU HAVE MORE MASKS TO USE, KNOW CONSIDERATIONS AND ENERGY CONSUMPTION, UM, MIND AS WELL. SO, UM, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I APPRECIATE THAT CASE, THAT INAPPROPRIATE COMMISSIONER. I STILL HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT. UM, AND I'D LOVE TO HEAR OTHERS INPUT TOO ON, ON THAT. UM, GOING TO THE FRONT ELEVATION, UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS FOUR FOOT SEVEN POP OUT, UM, I WENT TO THE GUIDELINES AND IT DOES SAY SIDE ADDITIONS ARE DISCOURAGED IN THE BELMONT HEIGHTS OR DISTRICT. UM, IT SAYS SIDE ADDITIONS CAN BE LESS VISIBLY, UH, INTRUSIVE THAN, UH, FRONT ADDITIONS. HOWEVER, THE BUILDINGS WITHIN THE BELMONT HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT HAVE A SHALLOW FRONT SETBACK LEAVING MOST SIDE ELEVATIONS HIGHLY VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. THEREFORE, BASED ON THESE PHYSICAL CONSTRAINTS, SIDE ADDITIONS ARE DISCOURAGED. SO I'M JUST WONDERING HOW WE GOT TO A PLACE WHERE SOMETHING'S DISCOURAGED, UM, AND NOW WE'RE SEEING IT, UM, AS WELL AS, UH, A DOOR REMOVAL, UM, TO THE OTHER SIDE. NOW WE HAVE TWO CHANGES TO SORT OF THE FRONT ELEVATIONS, AND THAT IS A DOOR OPENING, WHICH SAYS CHANGING SIZE, SHAPE NUMBER, OR LOCATION OF DOOR OPENINGS ON ELEVATIONS VISIBLE FROM THE STREET IS NOT PERMITTED. AND PROPERTY OWNERS ARE ENCOURAGED TO RETAIN THE ORIGINAL DOOR OPENING SIZES AND LOCATIONS ON ALL ELEVATIONS. PARTICULARLY THEY ARE ORIGINAL, CHANGING THE SIZE LOCATION OR A NUMBER OF DOOR OPENINGS ON THE FRONT ELEVATION IS NOT PERMIT PERMITTED. SO I'M JUST, I I I JUST WANNA HEAR MORE OF HOW WE GOT TO THIS POINT. I'M NOT SAYING IT, I'M LIKE A DEAD NO ON THIS, BUT I'M, I'M TRYING TO, TO GET TO THE SAME PLACE AS YOU. SOMETHING I SAW IN PABLO'S PRESENTATION ON THE PLAN, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU POINTED IT OUT, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE TAKING AN OLDER WINDOW FROM ANOTHER ELEVATION AND PUTTING IT IN THE PLACE OF THE, OF THE DOOR, WHICH I DID NOT KNOW FROM JUST REVIEWING THE PLANS PREVIOUSLY. SO THAT'S INTERESTING. I'D LIKE TO MAYBE KNOW MORE ABOUT THAT. UM, OBVIOUSLY THIS METAL SCREEN DOOR ISN'T INAPPROPRIATE, BUT THE DOOR ITSELF, LOOKING AT THE CRAFTSMAN, I THINK NEXT DOOR, IT HAS THE SAME DOOR PRETTY MUCH IN THE SAME LOCATION. SO TO ME THAT'S A HISTORICAL FEATURE THAT'S SOMEWHAT IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT IS ACTUALLY VIEWED MORE THAN THE GARAGE, WHICH IS FURTHER BACK. THIS IS ALMOST JUST HALFWAY DOWN THE DRIVEWAY. SO I GUESS I, I'D JUST LIKE TO HEAR MORE OF HOW WE GOT TO THIS, UM, SITUATION. SURE. I CAN PROBABLY GO AHEAD AND RESPOND TO THAT. UM, SO I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS. UM, SO THE WINDOW WHERE THERE WAS A DOOR, I THINK WE, WE SAW SOME STYLES THAT COMPATIBILITY, UH, WITH THAT. SO WE, WE, YOU KNOW, TRY TO PROTECT THE FRONT SAW TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE. UH, BUT SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, JUST BEFORE PLAN THE LAYOUT, THERE ARE SOME CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE MADE. UH, WE FELT THAT THIS WAS STYLISTICALLY APPROPRIATE. IT WAS ONE CHANGE TO THAT SIDE. AND THEN REGARDING THE, UH, ADDITION EXTENDING OUT FROM THE BASE OF THE WALL, UH, FROM THE EXISTING BUILDING I SHOULD SAY, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE SAW THERE IS, UM, JUST SORT OF A SITE SORT OF CONSTRAINT. UH, AND THE COMMISSION DOESN'T MIND, I'LL JUST, I'LL MOVE TO THE SITE PLAN HERE. UM, SO THE OWNER IS, IS KEEPING THE EXISTING GARAGE. UH, SO HAVING THAT BEING PLACED THERE, UH, IS, YOU KNOW, ALREADY TAKING UP SOME SPACE. CORRECT. UH, THE ZONING CODE ALLOWS A, A FOUR FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACK, UH, WHERE THE BUILDING IS PLACED, IT'S, UH, IT'S AN EIGHT FOOT, SEVEN INCH SIDE YARD SETBACK. I CORRECTLY, YEAH. UH, SO THERE WAS JUST SOME, SOME ADDED SPACE THERE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THEY LINED IT UP, UH, FROM THE, YOU KNOW, FROM THE, WHERE THE ORANGE IS AND JUST CONTINUING THE ADDITION OUT THAT WAY WITHOUT EXTENDING IT OUTWARD, UH, WAS REALLY GONNA SHRINK THE SIZE OF THE ROOM AND THE LAYOUT. UH, SO WE LOOKED AT IT AND WE THOUGHT, WELL, THE, WHERE THAT WOULD POP OUT IS ABOUT A DISTANCE OF ABOUT 50 59 FEET. IT'S ABOUT 50 PLUS FEET FROM THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE. SO GIVEN THAT THE GUIDELINES ARE STILL TRULY GUIDELINES AT THE END OF THE DAY, UH, GIVEN EVERYTHING THAT THE PROJECT DOES, UH, IN TERMS OF KEEPING ALL THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS, UH, FOR THE MOST PART, UM, KEEPING THE FRONT FACADE GENERALLY INTACT, UH, KEEPING THE ORIGINAL GARAGE, WE FELT THAT THE PROS REALLY KIND [00:50:01] OF OUTWEIGHED THE SMALL CONTER. AND HAVING THAT ADDITION JUST GAVE THE OWNERS A LITTLE BIT OF WORK TO WORK OUT SUPPORT PLAN, UH, AND TO ALSO JUST KIND OF KEEP A COURTYARD THERE, UH, BETWEEN THE ORIGINAL GARAGE AND THE PROPOSED ADDITION. SO I THINK WHEN WE REVIEWED THAT PROJECT, THAT WAS, UH, STATS RATIONALE HERE FOR, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THAT AND LOOKING, COMPARING THAT TO THAT PARTICULAR SECTION DESIGN GUIDELINES. YEAH. FROM A SORT OF LAYERING PERSPECTIVE, UM, THE GUIDELINES ARE THERE TO, TO GUIDE US IN, IN HOW WE REVIEW PROJECTS, UM, WHILE STILL ENSURING THAT, UM, PROPERTIES CAN WITHIN THEIR RIGHT CODE. SO IT'S THAT LAYERING OF, UM, TO THE EXTENT IT CAN BE TO THE REAR AND NOT VISIBLE, WE TRY TO, YOU KNOW, FOCUS PROJECTS IN THAT WAY. UM, AND SO HERE'S THAT TRADE UP. TO WHAT EXTENT WE MAKE THAT FEASIBLE WHILE STILL , , I UNDERSTAND THAT. APPRECIATE THAT. UM, IT'S JUST WHEN SOMETHING SAYS IT'S NOT PERMITTED, IT'S TALL ORDER FOR ME TO SAY, OKAY, WHAT WAS SO COMPELLING MM-HMM . TO MAKE THAT, UM, . SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I'M BRINGING IT UP. YEAH. UM, THERE'S ALSO SOMETHING IN THE GUIDELINES THAT STATES AND I READ FOR YOU ABOUT, UM, ADDITIONS. AND IT DOES MENTION THAT IT SHOULD BE IN THE, WE OBVIOUSLY, AND WHEN YOU, UH, THE STORY REMOVED, UH, PART OF THE ORIGINAL, UM, HISTORIC BUILDING ON THE BACK, IT'S, IT'S ACCEPTABLE OBVIOUSLY, UM, BUT IT SAYS OTHER SECTIONS SHOULD TRY TO BE, UH, UH, RETAINED OR, OR, OR NOT DAMAGED. UM, AND I'M JUST CURIOUS, THERE'S THIS LINEN CLOSET ON THE FOUR FOOT SEVEN SIDE, UM, ADDITION AND IT WRAPS ONTO THE CORNER OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE, WHICH HAS THIS ORIGINAL SIDING. AND I'M WONDERING, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT CAN, BECAUSE IT, THE CONCEPT IS WHEN YOU REMOVE THIS, YOU STILL HAVE THE OLD STRUCTURE BEHIND IT. SURE. SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, DOES THAT LINEN CLOSET, CAN IT SOMEHOW RETAIN THE SAT THE ORIGINAL SIDING, UM, IN IT? UH, SO THAT'S NOT ACTUALLY REMOVED. UH, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? AND THEN SURE. AT LEAST IT'S STILL IN THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE IS STILL INTACT ON THAT ONE WALL. YOU KNOW, WE, WE PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, DISCUSS THAT WITH THE APPLICANT TO SEE IF THAT IS FEASIBLE. I THINK WHAT I WOULD PROBABLY ALSO ADD THOUGH, THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE ADDITION REALLY DOES KEEP ABOUT MAYBE ABOUT 80% OF THE, THE SEA BUILDING TRACK. UH, SO I THINK WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS, IT'S STILL A PRETTY REASONABLE, UM, SORT OF EXCHANGE THERE. AND THEY'RE REALLY NOT COVERING THAT MUCH OF THE, THE BUILDING. UH, AND MOST OF THE PROTECTED FEATURES THAT ARE MULTIPLE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET ARE STILL STILL BEING RETAINED. BUT YEAH, I, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ALSO BRING UP WITH THE, AGAIN, COMMENTS, BUT I'M JUST, UM, THE RATIONALE FOR MOVING THE WINDOW FROM WHERE THE NEW IS GONNA ATTACH TO WHERE THE DOOR IS. I MEAN, THAT IN THAT CASE WOULD ACTUALLY BE SOMETHING THAT IS NOT HISTORICAL REPURPOSING IT, SOMETHING THAT IS HISTORICAL ALMOST IN A SENSE, YOU KNOW, UP THE ORIGINAL HISTORICAL VALUE VERSUS, YOU KNOW, TAKING, REPLACING YEAH. ON THE, THE, THE REPLACE. I AGREE. THAT IS INTERESTING. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM, A COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS. IS THERE AN AREA I NOTICED DRIVING DOWN THE, THE ALLEYWAY? IS THERE AN AREA, UH, SLATED FOR GARBAGE, UM, OR SOMETHING? THERE'S A LOT OF CAMS, JUST . SURE, YEAH. CHAIR, UH, ONCE WE CAN, UM, ASK THE APPLICANT THEY ADDRESS THAT PARTICULAR QUESTION. YES. YEAH. SO IF YOU GO BACK TO THE, THE IMAGES OF OUR CURRENT YARD, THE WHOLE CENTER SPACE RIGHT NOW IS BASICALLY A GARDEN RIGHT THERE. GO BACK RAISED BY THIS, UM, SORRY, GO FORWARD TO THE RAISED BED PHOTO. SO THE IDEA IS RIGHT THERE. SO THAT WHOLE GARDEN IS GONNA BE RELOCATED INTO THAT NEW KIND OF AREA WHERE THE PEACH TREE IS NEAR THE ALLEY. UH, AND THAT'S WHERE TRASH CANS WILL BE PRODUCING, GRIEVING, UH, [00:55:01] RAISED GRAY BEDS, . OKAY. SO THEY'RE HIDDEN, SO THEY'RE BEHIND THE FENCE? CORRECT. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. UM, AND I ASSUME IT WOOD FENCE, IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S ALREADY THERE. IT IS. WE'RE JUST GONNA PRESERVE IT ACTUALLY. SO IT'S JUST GONNA BE MODIFIED. GREAT. THANK YOU. UM, , THAT'S IT FOR THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER . YES. VOTED. I, UH, ONE QUESTION YOU, IF YOU COULD GO TO PAGE A 2.0 THAT'S, UH, WHICH DRAWING I PLANS TO PAGE THREE OF SIX A, A 2.0, PAGE THREE OF SIX, BELIEVE THIS IS CORRECT. UM, YEAH, THAT'LL WORK. THANK YOU. SO THE NEW BEDROOM THAT'S IN YELLOW OR ORANGE ON THE OUTSIDE WALL. SO THE WEST WALL WHERE THE WINDOW IS, IT DOES NOT DIRECTLY ALIGN WITH THE DOOR. THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE PURPOSEFUL, BUT IT MAY BE INTERESTING IF IT WAS LINED UP DIRECTLY WITH THE DOOR TO GET A TRUE CROSS BREEZE. OKAY. THROUGH THAT ROOM. BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THAT IT DOES CHANGE THE, THE REPETITION OF THE EXTERIOR. SO THAT IS A SUGGESTION. OKAY. IT'S NOT A CONDITION FOR THE PROPERTY. I WOULD ADD MY THOUGHTS ON CASEMENT VERSUS DOUBLE HOME. AND WHAT I NOTE IS THAT THE SIDING AND PAINT COLORS MIMIC THE ORIGINAL. DO YOU PREFER SOME LEVEL OF DIFFERENTIATION IN THE MIDDLE? AND SO IN THIS CASE, I, I WOULD NORMALLY WANT TO SEE MORE HISTORIC LOOKING WINDOWS, BUT I, IN THIS CASE, I DO APPRECIATE THE DIFFERENTIATION OF THE CASEMENTS, THE ANY QUESTIONS? UM, SO THERE'S A, JUST A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS HERE. UM, I DID LIKE THE SUGGESTION THAT COMMISSIONER PIZO, UH, PROVIDED ABOUT MAYBE LARGER, UH, WINDOWS JUST IN THE MASTER SUITE. UH, AGAIN, JUST A SUGGESTION. I THINK IT, IT, I THINK IT TAKES MY OFFICE ALONG THE SIDE, BUT IT'S GONNA, SO, BUT IT WOULD ALSO, ALSO, I MEAN, WHO REALLY IS GONNA SEE IT FROM THAT? NO, IT'S TRUE. IT'S ONLY FOUR FEET. YOU'RE RIGHT. AND, UH, BUT IT, IT WOULD PROVIDE THE ADDITIONAL, UM, VENTILATION THAT YOU WOULD NEED FOR, IT'LL GIVE YOU MORE LIGHT IN THAT SPACE. RIGHT. AND, UH, I THINK IT'LL BREAK UP THAT MONOTONY OF THAT FORMATION. SO AGAIN, JUST A SUGGESTION, ANOTHER THING JUST AS A, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE AMATEUR DRAFTSMAN, SO GOOD, GOOD FOR, GOOD FOR TRYING. I'M A, I'M A ARCHITECT, SO I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR A FEW YEARS. JUST AS A SUGGESTION, AGAIN, I DIDN'T DRAFT THESE MARK. OH, OKAY. I STARTED. SO TELL, TELL WHOEVER DRAFTED IT. YOU DON'T PUT THE MENTION, UH, OF THE WINDOWS ON THE, ON THE SIDE AND THE SCHEDULE. THE SCHEDULE IS THE AND YOU DON'T HAVE CONFLICTS. CORRECT. THAT, THAT WE, WE FIND. UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS, I THOUGHT I HEARD, AND I MUST, I MAY HAVE MISSED HER, THAT DOOR THAT HAS THE SCREEN ON IT, ON THE RIGHT SIDE, UM, AS YOU'RE FACING ELEVATION UHHUH, DID I HEAR THAT THAT DOOR WASN'T ORIGINAL? NO, IT'S ABSOLUTELY NOT ORIGINAL. OKAY. BECAUSE THEN THE LANDING LOOKS NOT ORIGINAL. YEAH. SO GOING BACK TO A WINDOW, IT'S KIND OF A MATTRESS. SO MY HAT'S OFF TO YOU GUYS FOR, FOR DOING THAT AND FOR SAVING THAT WINDOW. YEAH. AND IT'S GONNA TAKE WORK TO, YOU KNOW. YEAH. I MEAN, ANOTHER THING WE DIDN'T POINT OUT, BUT YOU KNOW, THROUGH THIS PROCESS WE'RE GONNA REMOVE FIN YOU KNOW, YEARS OF PAINT, [01:00:04] STORING THEM DOWN IN THE ORIGINAL WAY. AND THE CITY HAS SOME GREAT RESOURCES FOR WINDOWS FOR NEED TO END UP REPLACING THEM INSTEAD. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER PIZZA. I'D LIKE CLARIFICATION BECAUSE IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THERE WAS A DOOR THERE. IT MAY NOT BE ORIGINAL, BUT IT WAS ALWAYS THE DOOR WITH STEPS. CORRECT. BECAUSE THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR LITERALLY HAS THE SAME THING. AND I THINK AN OLD, UH, PHOTO A LINE SHOWED A DIFFERENT SET OF STEPS EVEN WITH A COLUMN, UH, SIDE. BUT, UM, I DUNNO, PICTURE OF YOUR PHONE, I'M JUST QUESTIONING, I UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT ORIGINAL TODAY AND THE STEPS MAY HAVE BEEN REPORTED, THEY WERE CRACKED, BROKEN, WHATEVER, BUT WASN'T THERE A DOOR THERE AT SOME POINT, OR AM I TOTALLY OFF MY WRONG ? THERE IS A DOOR THERE. I MEAN, YOU SEE EXAMPLES OF BOTH IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SO, YOU KNOW, OVER THE LAST YEARS IT SOUND LIKE THAT'S, I THANK YOU FOR THAT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR YOU? THERE ARE NONE. COMMENT IN THE ROOM. IF THERE'S ANY OTHER ROOM, PLEASE. NONE. IF THERE ARE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE USE THE RAISE HAND FEATURE NOW. AND IF IN TELEPHONICALLY, PRESS STAR NINE. NOW. THERE APPEARS TO BE ONE PERSON AND ELIZABETH, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. HI, CAN PEOPLE HEAR ME? IF YOU HAVE BEEN UNMUTED, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT. YES. SO, UM, I, MY NAME'S ELIZABETH LAMB AND I LIVE ON THE STREET NOT TOO FAR FROM THE HOUSE THAT IS BEING DISCUSSED. SO I THOUGHT I WOULD HOP ON TO THE MEETING AND LEARN MORE. AND, UM, I AGREE WITH A LOT OF THE COMMENTS THAT, THAT WERE MADE ABOUT THE HOUSE, UH, FOR THESE MINOR IMPROVEMENTS TO, UM, UH, MAKE ITS HISTORIC NATURE AS FULL AS POSSIBLE. BUT I ALSO JUST WANNA THANK THE FOLKS WHO LIVE THERE BECAUSE THE HOUSE WHEN THEY, UH, BOUGHT IT WAS REALLY FALLING APART AND IT LOOKS SO MUCH BETTER NOW AND IS A REAL, UM, NICE ADDITION TO OUR STREET. AND I REALLY LIKE THE IDEA OF THE WOODEN WINDOWS. THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR WAS REDONE AND I GUESS GOT PERMISSION FOR PLASTIC VINYL WINDOWS FROM THE CITY. AND IT, UM, HAS NEVER LOOKED THE SAME IN MY OPINION. UM, AND I'M WATCHING, SADLY, A HOUSE JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET FROM WHERE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT ENDS WITH SIX LITTLE CABINS THAT PEOPLE USED TO STAY IN MAYBE WHEN THEY CAME DOWN FOR VACATIONS ABOUT A HUNDRED YEARS AGO. SLOWLY, ALL THOSE WOODEN WINDOWS ARE BEING TORN OUT FOR VINYL. SO I DO APPRECIATE THE FOCUS ON THE, UH, WOOD DEN WINDOWS. AND I, I DO APPRECIATE THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT OUR NEIGHBORS HAVE MADE TO THEIR PROPERTY. UM, SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT, COMMENT, COMMISSIONER, BEFORE WE CALL FOR THE VOTE QUESTION OR COMMENTS? WELL, UM, SO, UM, COMMISSIONER BO, I BROUGHT UP THE THING ABOUT THE SIDING DIFFERENTIATION, WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT. I GET, I, I ACTUALLY LIKE THE , BUT CASEMENTS ACTUALLY SUPPLEMENT THAT IDEA THAT IT'S DIFFERENT FROM THE . SO I GET THAT. THAT'S FINE. UM, BUT IS THERE ANY APPETITE TO, TO, TO MAKE A CONDITION THAT THE SID DIFFERENT WITH OR, OR ANYTHING FROM MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS OR SIDE AND RETAIN OF THAT LINEN CLOSET, UM, TO ADD AS A CONDITION? UM, SO I, YEAH, COMMISSIONER YOURSELF, WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THIS, I IMMEDIATELY COULD TELL WHAT WAS THE NEW PART BECAUSE IT'S A DIFFERENT ELEVATION. THE, THE, IT'S ALL RAISED FOUNDATION, IT APPEARS ON THE MAIN HOUSE, AND THIS WAS ALL SO, OR AT LEAST THAT'S APPEARS. SO I WAS, I, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. ANY OTHER QUESTION? IF THERE ARE NONE, CLERK, [01:05:01] I CLARIFICATION ON DISCUSSION ABOUT THE OF LARGER WINDOWS. IS THAT SOMETHING WITH PROPERTY IATION OF THE, UH, THE MOTION SECONDARY? GO AHEAD AND REPHRASED SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS ON SUGGESTIONS, AMENDMENTS. YEAH. UM, YOU WANNA GUIDE? SO, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE IN, UM, MOTION TO GIVE, UM, STAFF LEEWAY TO WORK WITH THE, UM, PROPERTY OWNER ON, UM, POTENTIALLY ENLARGING ONLY THE MASTER BEDROOM WINDOWS TO ACHIEVE THE CROSS AS DISCUSSED BY THE COMMISSION PARAMETERS. I THINK WE'VE, THE NATURE OF IT, THE OTHER WINDOW WAS NOT THE MASTER, IT WAS THE OTHER BATHROOM. SO YEAH, IT'S THE HALLWAY TO THE YES. THAT THE ONE MASTER, LIKE THE WORDING OF, UH, EXPLORE THE PROCESS OR FLEXIBILITY REPLACEMENTS. SECOND. WELL, THE MASTER, IT, IT DOESN'T HAVE A HALLWAY RIGHT? MASTER THE ONES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? NO, THE YELLOW ORANGE WAS THE SECOND. YEAH, THAT'S THE SECOND THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. THESE TWO. SHE'S TALKING ABOUT THIS ONE. NOT WITH THAT. THE GUEST ROOM. YEAH, I, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER . YEAH. I, I THINK WE SHOULD, I THINK VICE, I THINK WE SHOULD GIVE YOU GUYS THE WORK WITH THEN IT, AS FAR AS THE IS CONCERNED. I DON'T WANNA BE AN , IT'S NOT GONNA MAKE AN NCE. I CAN GUARANTEE IT. YEAH. THE WAY THE HOUSE IS ORIENTED ON THE PROPERTY, BUT, YOU KNOW, MAKING LARGER WINDOWS MASTER BEDROOM, I'M NEVER AGAINST, I GUESS MAYBE JUST LOOK ON MY HEAD. EXCUSE ME. IT IS OUR TURN RIGHT TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION WITH STAFF. SORRY. SO WE THE MOTION. WELL, I WOULD BE IF I'M DOING CORRECT, SO YES, I HAVE TO. AND THE ANOTHER CLARIFYING. SO THIS IS THE TOPIC THAT WE'RE BETWEEN THE STAFF AND THE OTHER. OKAY. CLERK, YOU BOOK, UH, COMMISSIONER EZ. YES. COMMISSIONER HUNTER. YES. COMMISSIONER BARILLA PEREZ. YES. COMMISSIONER PIZZA. YES. UH, COMMISSIONER PRYOR? YES. VICE CHAIR ? YES. AND CHAIRMAN WA? YES. MOTION IS CARRIED. CONGRATULATIONS, CASEY. YES, SIR. ALSO, CASEY, IF YOU'D LIKE TO CONSIDER APPLYING FOR THE MILLS ACT FOR NEXT YEAR, YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE A HOME THAT'S CONTRIBUTING TO THE HISTORICAL MAJOR, YOUR DISTRICT COME IN HANDY. THANK YOU. ITEM [01:10:01] 30. YES. ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS A RECOMMENDATION TO CONSIDER MAIL AT CONTRACT FOR FOUR PROPERTIES. 3 7 2 5 LIME AVENUE, 3 5 9 6 COUNTRY AVENUE, 2 7 4 EAST FOURTH STREET AND 3 7 3 3 AND 3, 7, 3, 3 8. CALIFORNIA AVENUE, NOT ORIGINALLY FORWARDED BY STAFF FOR CONSIDERATION. DISTRICT ONE, TWO, THREE, FIVE, SEVEN. MOTION MICROPHONE. WHAT TO DO? MOTION AS A SECOND. SECOND. SO, UH, PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. YEAH, THANK YOU CHAIR. UM, SO AS THE COMMISSION WILL RECALL, WE, UM, WE REVIEWED, UH, 13 MILL CONTRACTOR CONTRACT RECOMMENDATIONS LAST MONTH, UM, WHICH YOU ALL VOTED ON, UM, MOVING FORWARD TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL AS WELL AS THE LOCAL LANDMARK. UM, BUT DURING THAT, UM, DISCUSSION, THERE WAS ALSO, UH, FEEDBACK FROM THE, THE COMMISSION TO, UM, WANT TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE FOUR, UM, APPLICATIONS THAT WERE NOT FORWARDED BY STAFF ORIGINALLY, UH, FOR CONSIDERATION. UM, I'M GONNA HAND IT OVER TO GINA AND THE TEAM IN JUST A MINUTE TO GIVE YOU JUST THAT MORE INFORMATION ON THOSE FOUR. UM, THE RECOMMENDATION IS A LITTLE UNUSUAL. IT DOESN'T SAY WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL, RECOMMEND DENIAL. WE'RE REALLY COMING BACK. SO, UM, UH, IF YOU, IF YOU ARE SORT OF, UM, LOOKING TO MAKE A MOTION, UM, SPECIFICALLY ABOUT TRYING FORWARD TO CLARIFY THAT PORTION OF THE DISCUSSION. UM, BUT WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO, UH, FOR PRESENTATION. GOOD EVENING CHAIR COMMISSIONERS. A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THE 2025 ZA PROGRAM. SO THE TOTAL OF 17 APPLICATION FOUR FILED FOR THIS YEAR CYCLE ON JULY 29TH, 2025. THE COMMISSION MADE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO REPORT 13 CONTRACTS. AND DURING THAT PUBLIC HEARING, UH, QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS RELATED TO THE APPLICATIONS OF FOUR PROPERTIES THAT WERE NOT RECOMMENDED FORWARD BY STAFF, THE COMMISSION DIRECTED STAFF TO PROVIDE MORE DETAILED INFORMATION RELATED TO THOSE SPECIFIC APPLICATIONS ADDRESSED. AS FOR 7 25 LINE AVENUE 35 96 AVENUE, 37, 33 AND 37 33, A CALIFORNIA AVENUE AND 27 42 EAST COURT LITTLE PROGRAM BACKGROUND. SO THE MILL PROGRAM'S A, UH, IT'S A CONTRACT THAT PROVIDE PROPERTY TAX ABATEMENT IN EXCHANGE FOR REHABILITATION AND MAINTENANCE OF INSURANCE STRUCTURES. UH, THE LONG BEACH MILLS ACT PROGRAM WAS ENACTED IN 1993. UH, THE PROGRAM WENT DORMANT BETWEEN, UM, 2006 OF 2014, AND, UH, THEY, UH, UH, STARTED THE PROGRAM BACK UP IN 2014. AND, UM, ACTUALLY THE PROGRAM WAS RESUMED IN 2016 AND CONTINUED THROUGH 2020. UM, AND THEN DURING COVID, THE PROGRAM WAS PAUSED FOR TWO YEARS IN 21 AND 22. AND, UH, FOR THE LAST TWO CYCLES, WE'VE HAD SUCCESSFUL PROGRAMS WITH, UM, 39 CONTRACTS REPORTED. OKAY. UM, SO UNDER THE PROGRAM ADMINISTRATION, UM, PROCESS, UH, NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER, UM, PRIOR TO THE FORMAL KICKOFF, STAFF UPDATES THE APPLICATION FORMS AND ASSOCIATED HANDOUTS IN DECEMBER, WE SCHEDULE WORKSHOPS. WE, UH, FIND A VENUE FOR THE WORKSHOPS AND, AND PARTICULAR DATE. AND THEN LATE DECEMBER WE UPDATE THE MILL ACT WEBSITE WITH THE NEW APPLICATION FORM AND ANY ASSOCIATED, UM, HANDOUTS OF FORMS. UM, AND ALSO FOR, UH, THE, THE, UH, WORKSHOPS, UH, DATES AND, AND LOCATIONS. LATE DECEMBER AND JANUARY FOR PREPARE COMMUNITY OUTREACH. AND JANUARY WE HOLD THE FIRST PRE-APPLICATION, AND FEBRUARY WE HOLD THE SECOND PRE-APPLICATION WORKSHOP. AND IN MARCH ON THE APPLICATION SUBMITTAL DEADLINE IS PEN, THE HARD DEADLINE IN MARCH, UM, DURING APRIL AND MAY STAFF COMPLETES, UM, SITE INSPECTIONS FOR ALL THE APPLICATIONS SUBMITTED. AND, UM, THAT'S A OPPORTUNITY FOR STAFF TO MEET WITH THE, UH, THE, UM, UH, APPLICANTS OR PROPERTY OWNERS TO DISCUSS THE PROJECTS THAT THEY HAVE IN STORE FOR THEIR PROPERTY. AND THEN, UH, BETWEEN JULY AND OCTOBER, WE HOLD THE PUBLIC MEETINGS, [01:15:01] UH, FOR THE HERITAGE COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL. AND FINALLY IN DECEMBER, WE RECORD THE CONTRACTS WITH THE COUNTY REPORTER'S OFFICE. UM, SO I WANTED TO POINT OUT, UM, OH YEAH, THAT'S IT. SORRY. UM, THESE ARE 2025 MILLS ACT, UH, DOCUMENTS. UH, THIS, UH, SLIDE SHOWS THE APPLICATION GUIDE, WHICH IS, IS UPDATED EVERY YEAR. UM, THE PROGRAM SCHEDULE EVALUATION LIMITS AND THE PRIORITY CONSIDERATION WORKSHEET. UM, FOR PRIORITY CONSIDERATION. A PROJECT MUST BE UNIQUE OF IMPORTANT HISTORICAL, UH, HISTORIC STRUCTURE. UM, THAT'S IN PARTICULAR REALLY POOR CONDITION AND NEEDS SIGNIFICANT RESTORATION. POTENTIALLY, UH, POTENTIAL LANDMARK PROPERTIES NOT DESIGNATED WITHIN THE LANDMARK DISTRICTS AND, UM, APPLICATIONS THAT INCLUDE THE USE OF LOCAL LONG BEACH LABOR BUSINESS OR PURCHASE OF MATERIALS WITHIN LONG BEACH. AND AS A RECAP, WE CAN AWARD A 22 CONTRACTS PER YEAR, AND ADDITIONALLY, THERE IS VALUATION LIMITS FOR QUALIFICATION. SO WE HELD TWO WORKSHOPS FOR THE PROSPECTIVE APPLICANTS, UH, TO PROVIDE GENERAL OVERVIEW OF THE ACTUAL ZAQ PROGRAM, AND MORE SPECIFICALLY GUIDANCE ON PREPARING THE APPLICATION SUBMITTAL. UM, THESE WORKSHOPS WERE MANDATORY AS WE WANT TO MAKE SURE, WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT WE, UM, WE PROVIDE ALL THE TOOLS THAT IS NECESSARY FOR A SUCCESSFUL APPLICATION. DURING THE PRESENTATION, WE DISCUSS APPROPRIATE WORK PLAN ITEMS AS WELL AS WORK PLAN ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ELIGIBLE UNDER THE MILLS ACT PROGRAM. AND AFTER THE STAFF PRESENTATION LEAD TIME AT THE END OF THE WORKSHOP TO ANSWER MORE DISTRICT QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC. DURING THE WORKSHOPS, WE DISCUSSED WHERE TO FIND INFORMATION RELATED TO RESTORATION. FOR EXAMPLE, THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, UM, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT ORDINANCES, AND THE HISTORIC HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINES. AND WE DISCUSSED IN LENGTH THE APPROPRIATE WORK PLAN IMPROVEMENTS. UM, WE CREATED, UM, ACTUALLY LAST YEAR, WE CREATED A TWO PAGE DOCUMENT SHOWN ON THE RIGHT THAT BREAKS DOWN APPROPRIATE WORK WORK PLAN ITEMS TO HELP THE PROPERTY OWNERS REALLY DEVELOP THE ROBUST WORK PLAN. THE MILLS ACT COURT WEBPAGE IS REGULARLY UPDATED THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS TO ENSURE THE PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE THE LATEST INFORMATION AND THE PRESENTATION SLIDES ARE UPLOADED IN ADDITION TO THE RECORDING OF THE FIRST WORKSHOP. UM, AND THE NEXT SLIDES WILL, UH, PROVIDE A BREAKDOWN, UM, FOR THE FOUR APPLICATIONS. THIS SLIDE IS GOING TO DISCUSS THE APPLICATION FOR 37 25 BY . SO THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION ONLY, UM, INCLUDED FOUR WORK PLAN ITEMS, AND THEY TALKED INCLUDED SUPPLE REPAIR, LANDSCAPE RESTORATION, PAINTING WINDOWS, AND REMOVING AN INAPPROPRIATE MOW WALL LOCATED ON THE FRONT PORCH. LANDSCAPE RESTORATION DID NOT QUALIFY AS WORK ITEM BECAUSE THE LANDSCAPING WASN'T, UH, HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT BASED ON RECORDS, UM, AND EVIDENCE OF THE PROPERTY. UM, SO REALLY WHEN WE REMOVE THE LANDSCAPE, UM, WORK ITEM, IT, THEY LET THAT LEFT THE APPLICATION ONLY THREE WORK PLAN. AND, YOU KNOW, AS SUCH, THE WORK PLAN WAS NOT ROBUST AS THE WORK PLANS, UM, THAT WERE FOUND IN THE OTHER APPLICATIONS. TYPICALLY, WE GET SEVEN TO 10 WORK PLAN ITEMS, WHICH IS VERY APPROPRIATE FOR A 10 YEAR WORK, UH, RESTORATION COMMITMENT. AND IN ADDITION TO THE, THE LIMITED WORK PLAN, UM, SUBMITTED, UM, SEVERAL IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PROJECT, TO THE PROPERTY BUREAU COMPLETED, AND THE CONSTRUCTION WAS CURRENTLY UNDERWAY FOR OTHER IMPROVEMENTS. UM, AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, PROPERTY OWNER DID NOT WANNA PAUSE THEIR CONSTRUCTION WORK TO WAIT FOR 2026, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN THE, UH, CONTRACT, UM, START DATE JANUARY 1ST. SO THIS IS THE REASON WHY THIS APPLICATION WASN'T RECOMMENDED FORWARD IS BECAUSE MANY OF THE LARGER IMPROVEMENTS HAD ALREADY BEEN COMPLETED AND THE PROPERTY OWNER DID NOT WANNA PAUSE THE CONSTRUCTION. CAN I GET SOME CLARIFICATION? DOES THE MOTION ENCOMPASS ALL OF THESE ITEMS? I'M GONNA VOTE ON ALL OF THEM, OR YOU ON EACH ONE INDIVIDUAL MOTION, UM, ON THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION LAST MONTH. UM, WE CAN WORK THAT, HOW THAT WOULD WORK. [01:20:07] THE NEXT PROPERTY IS 35 96 PINEWOOD AVENUE. SO THIS WORK PLAN ONLY INCLUDED THREE PROJECTS. UM, THEY WERE WANTED TO REPLACE THE WOOD FENCE GATE WHEN REPLACED THE HOT WATER ENCLOSURE DOOR. THEY WANTED TO DO SOME MINOR IMPROVEMENT INTO THE ROOF. AND THEN LATER AT THE END OF THE 10 YEAR WORK PLAN, THEY WANTED TO REPLACE THE ROOF. UM, AND AGAIN, AS THE PRIOR SLIDE BEFORE, UH, RESTORATION OF FENCES, GATES DO NOT QUALIFY AS A WORK PLAN ITEM, UM, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A CHARACTER DEFINED FEATURE OF THE PROPERTY. UM, SO AGAIN, THIS WORK PLAN WAS NOT AS ROBUST AS WORK PLANS WOULD TYP TYPICALLY SEE. UM, IT ONLY INCLUDED REALLY THREE PROJECTS. AND, UM, AND AGAIN, THIS IS, UH, REALLY NOT ROBUST ENOUGH, UM, TO WARRANT 10 YEAR, UH, TENURE RESTORATION COMMITMENT AND EXCHANGE FOR THE PROPERTY TAX. UM, AND THEN, UH, IN ADDITION, MAJOR RESTORATION UPGRADES TO THE PROPERTY HAD ALREADY BEEN COMPLETED BY THE PRIOR OWNER. SO THIS, SO THIS PROJECT IS NOT REMAIN RECOMMENDED FORWARD AS PROPOSED WORK PLAN DID NOT INCLUDE SUBSTANTIAL RESTORATION OR PRESERVATION ITEMS. AND THIS PROPERTY IS IN MUCH LESS NEED OF REPAIRS COMPARED TO OTHER PROPERTIES, WHICH, UM, WHICH WERE WARRANT PROPERTY IS 37, 33, AND 37 33 A CALIFORNIA. SO THE WORK PLAN DID INCLUDE SEVERAL PROJECTS THAT QUALIFIED FOR RESTORATION, UM, WHICH JUST THE FOUNDATION REPAIRS THE DOORS AND WINDOW RESTORATION, UPGRADING THE ELECTRICAL SYSTEM AND INSTALLING BEDS AND OTHER REMOVAL OF THE TREE. UM, WHAT IT DIDN'T INCLUDE WAS IT RESTORATION TO THE FRONT WELLING, UM, THE PORCH IN THE ROOF SHAPE, WHICH HAD BEEN ALTERED AT SOME POINT IN TIME. AND, UM, STAFF RECOMMENDED TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS, UM, THAT THEY RESEARCHED THE HISTORY OF THE BUILDING TO TRY TO CONFIRM WHAT THE FRONT ELEVATION ORIGINALLY LOOKED LIKE IN ORDER TO HAVE A MORE INFORMED, UM, IDEA OF WHAT THE, THE HISTORIC STYLE THE HOUSE WAS. RIGHT NOW WE CAN'T EVEN TELL WHAT THE STYLE IS, UM, BASED ON THE FRONT ELEVATION. UM, SO THE PROPERTY OWNERS WERE GIVEN THIS FEEDBACK AND THEY HAD A CHANCE TO RESPOND TO, UM, TRY TO FIND, UM, A PICTURE OF THE HOUSE TO DO SOME KIND OF A GOOD RESTORATION WORK, BUT THEY COULDN'T FIND IT IN THE TIMEFRAME, UM, THAT WE NEEDED TO MOVE THESE APPLICATIONS FORWARD. UM, SO PROFIT OWNERS WEREN'T ENCOURAGED TO CONTINUE, UM, RESEARCHING THEIR HOUSE TO FIND, UM, PHOTOS OF IT. SO WE CAN DO RESTORATION WITH FRONT ELEVATION, AND THEY WERE ENCOURAGED TO REAPPLY NEXT YEAR, UM, SO THAT WE CAN, UM, REALLY DETERMINE WHAT THE APPROPRIATE MODIFICATIONS ARE OR WOULD BE TO RESTORE THE FRONT ELEVATION. SO THIS, THIS PROPERTY WAS NOT RECOMMENDED FORWARD AS IT DIDN'T INCLUDE RESTORATION TO THE FRONT ELEVATION, WHICH IS CONSIDERED A VERY IMPORTANT OF THE PROPERTY. AND THE FINAL, UM, PROPERTY IS 27 42 EAST OF FOURTH STREET. THIS IS A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. UM, THIS PROPERTY IS NOT, THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT IT IS NOT A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IN THE DISTRICT, AND IT NEEDS LANDMARK DESIGNATION TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE THOSE ACT. UM, THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED A LANDMARK NOMINATION APPLICATION, BUT DIDN'T INCLUDE ANY SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION TO SUPPORT THE NOMINATION. AND STAFF GAVE HIM, UM, TIME TO, UH, PROVIDE SOME DOCUMENTS TO SUBMIT SO WE COULD HELP HIM WITH THE LANDMARK NOMINATION. UH, BUT HE JUST WASN'T ABLE TO GET THE PAPERWORK IN ON TIME. UM, SO THE PRO THIS PROJECT, THIS PROPERTY IS NOT RECOMMENDED FORWARD AS AT THIS POINT IS A QUALIFY WITHOUT THE LANDMARK. SO THE MIDDLE OF THAT PROGRAM INTENT, UM, THE INTENT IS TO KEEP THE PROGRAM VERY COMPETITIVE IN NATURE SO THAT WE CAN MAINTAIN AND ENSURE QUALITY RESTORATION PLANS. PLANNING STAFF WORKS CLOSELY WITH PROPERTY OWNERS AND APPLICANTS IN ORDER TO MEET THE PROGRAM'S INTENT. AND GENERALLY THE APPLICATIONS THAT DON'T MEET THE CRITERIA AND ARE VERY MUCH LESS COMPETITIVE THAN OTHER APPLICATIONS ARE NOT FUL. SO BASED ON, UM, THE EVIDENCE PROVIDED, UH, THE FOUR APPLICATIONS AND PROPERTIES ADDRESS AS 37 27 AVENUE 35 96 AVENUE, [01:25:01] 27 42 EAST FOURTH STREET, AND 37 33 AND 37 33 A CALIFORNIA AVENUE ARE NOT RECOMMENDED BY STAFF CONTRACT FOR THIS YEAR. THIS CONCLUDES MY STAFF REPORT. YOU HAVE QUESTION FOR DISCUSSION. THANK YOU, GINA. AND MAYBE IF I COULD JUST, I KIND OF MENTIONED THIS AT THE BEGINNING, BUT BECAUSE THAT HAD ALREADY DETERMINED NOT TO MOVE THESE APPLICATIONS FORWARD, IF THERE IS A DIFFERENT DIRECTION WE NEED TO, TO UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, HEAR FROM THE COMMISSION YOU SAW AT THE BEGINNING, BUT WE'RE HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF ISSUES WITH THE SLIDE, BUT IT'S A VERY TIGHT, UH, TIMELINE EACH YEAR BECAUSE AFTER YOU ALL SEE THESE, THEY THEN HAVE TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL, WHICH TAKES TIME TO GET ON THE AGENDA AND THEY'LL HAVE TO ACTUALLY EXECUTE INDIVIDUAL CONTRACT AND HAVE THEM, UH, NOTARIZED, SIGNED AND BROUGHT TO THE COUNTY BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR. SO IT'S OFTEN COVERS TO DECEMBER 31ST TO FINISH MILL, JUST IN TIME TO START OVER AGAIN. SO YOU HEARD G SAY A FEW TIMES WHEN APPLICANTS WORK CARS TO APPLY AGAIN NEXT YEAR, AND THAT'S JUST BECAUSE OF THE, THE TIMELINE OF IT, OF OF THE AMOUNT OF TIME WE HAVE TO WORK THROUGH IT. UM, BUT WE DO OFTEN HAVE REPEAT APPLICANT TO GET FEEDBACK FROM US ONE YEAR AND MAYBE COME BACK IN THE FUTURE ONCE THEY WORKED THROUGH SOME OF THOSE. I JUST WANTED TO ADD A LITTLE BIT OF THAT DETAIL. THANK YOU. A QUESTION FOR STAFF, UM, I SAW THAT YOU HAVE A LIMITATION ON SINGLE FAMILY HOMES OF 12, IS THAT CORRECT? HOW MANY DID WE APPROVE THIS YEAR? PULL THAT UP. AND THEN, UM, THE ONE ON CALIFORNIA, IS THAT A DUPLEX? IT IS DU YES. UH, COMMISSIONER PRYOR QUESTION FOR STAFF AS WELL ON THE TWO THAT YOU SAID, UM, DID NOT MEET THE DEADLINE TO TURN IN THE, THE ONE WAS A PICTURE AND THE OTHER WAS THE SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS. DID THEY EVENTUALLY TURN THOSE IN OR DID THEY NEVER SUBMIT THAT STAFF? THEY NEVER, THERE WERE KIND OF OPPORTUNITY TO, TO GO AHEAD AND DO THAT. UM, BUT THEY, THEY HAVE ALL BEEN, UM, NOTIFIED THAT THEY COULD IN THE FUTURE IF THE APPLICANTS WERE ALSO INFORMED ABOUT, UH, CONSULTANTS THAT PROVIDED SERVICES SUCH AS PICTURES OF ELEVATION OR WHATEVER HISTORICAL, UH, SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS. SO IT'S NOT LIKE YOU HAVE TO REINVENT THIS WHEEL IF THEY WANTED TO APPLY AND POSSIBLY HAVE TO PAY FOR A CONSULTANT, BUT I THOUGHT THE STAFF REPORT WAS VERY THOROUGH AND I, I LIKE THE FACT THAT WE'RE BACK IN THE MILL ACT BUSINESS. SOMETIMES STAFF PROBABLY DOESN'T LIKE THAT, ALL THE EXTRA WORK THAT YOU HAVE TO DO. BUT, UH, AT THIS TIME, UH, UNLESS ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS ONE ITEM OR TWO, I HAVE A QUESTION IS DOES THE CC HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO CONSIDER OR ASK FOR PRIORITY CONSIDERATION FOR AN APPLICATION THAT WAS SUBMITTED? I'M THINKING MORE CALIFORNIA AVENUE, IF THEY FIND THAT INFORMATION AND THEY'RE ABLE TO, THEY'RE ABLE TO HAVE CONSIDERATION. LIKE SAY THERE'S A TON OF APPLICATIONS OF LIKE SOMEBODY HAS TO SPEAK IN BECAUSE THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH SPOTS AVAILABLE. IS THAT A POSSIBILITY? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. YEAH. YEAH. WE DO, UM, APPLICATIONS FOR PAST YEARS IF THEY DIDN'T MAKE IT, THEY SUBMITTED, YEAH, THEY GET PRIORITY. BUT YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE DO WANT QUALITY KIND OF AS WELL. SO WE, WE KIND OF LOOK AT ALL OF THOSE, UM, ACROSS THE BOARD, ALL OF THE CRITERIA AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE TAKE FORWARD THE APPLICATIONS. OKAY. I MEAN, IT'D BE GREAT TO SEE THAT RESTORATION, THE FRONT CALIFORNIA EIGHTH THE APPLICANT REQUIRE TO PAY THE RENEWAL FEE OR APPLICATION FEE. IF THEY DIDN'T QUALIFY THIS YEAR, THEN HAVE TO REAPPLY AS A NEW APPLICANT FOR THE NEW FEE AND EVERYTHING. THERE'S NO FEE WAIVER. WE, WE'VE DONE NO FEE. YEAH. SO SOMEONE APPLIES ONE YEAR AND THEN DOESN'T GET IT THE NEXT YEAR, OR I'M SORRY, YEAR RECOUP THE STAFF TIME TAKES TO REVIEW LIKE A MINOR CHANGE TO IT. THAT'S WHERE WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO THE IF IT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT APPLICATION YEAH. TO REVIEW THE WHOLE THING. AGAIN, IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, BUT IT'S NOT BECAUSE WE'RE, UM, AN ENTERPRISE FUND TRYING TO RECOVER OUR, AND ONE LAST COMMENT I HAVE IS THAT, UM, I HAVE BEEN WORKSHOPS, IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN AS A COMMISSIONER, I [01:30:01] THINK IT WOULD BE WELL SUITED FOR ALL THE COMMISSIONERS TO ATTEND TO UNDERSTAND HOW THAT PROCESS WORKS. I THINK THE MORE THAT WE CAN RELATE TO OUR COMMUNITY AND UNDERSTAND THE PROCESSES THAT THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH AS IT APPLIES TO THEIR HISTORIC PROPERTIES, I THINK IT'S VERY VALUABLE IN THE WORK THAT WE DO IN SERVING OUR CITIZENS. UM, AND I'LL ALSO SAY THAT STAFF DOES A TREMENDOUS JOB OF BEING VERY INFORMATIVE, GOING THROUGH ALL THE STEPS, BEING AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. UM, SO WHEN I SAW THAT SOME OF THE WORK PLANS WEREN'T COMPLETE AND SOME THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES PEOPLE JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME OR THEY DON'T HAVE MONEY TO HIRE A CONSULTANT TO DO A PROPER WORK PLAN. UM, BUT LONG BEACH HERITAGE DOES OFFER, UH, KNOWS OUT OF WORKSHOPS NOW THAT'S SOMETHING THEY'RE TRYING TO WORK MORE TOWARDS. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT ADDS COMM WE SHOULD BE SHARING WITH OUR COMMUNITIES, UM, AS WELL AS A RESERV COMMUNITY HELPING SPREAD THAT WORD THAT THOSE RESOURCES ARE AVAILABLE TO THEM, UM, ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE WHO CAN'T AFFORD IT AND IT, RIGHT, EVERY SINGLE THEY HAVE, IT'S GOING TOWARDS RESTORING THEIR AND DOING THE WORK TO IMPROVE IT, WHICH IS WHY COMMISSION, I DO LIKE THE FACT THAT YOU, YOU RAISED THE, FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME EVALUATIONS SO THAT YOU CAN INCLUDE HOMES THAT ARE MILLION DOLLARS BEFORE THAT WAS RESTRICTION. AND MILLS ACT HAS EVOLVED OVER TIME BECAUSE BEFORE MULTI-UNIT, UH, SITUATIONS WEREN'T EVEN CONSIDERED IN A MILLS ACT APPLICATION. THE BILL OF RIVIERA WAS THE FIRST THROUGH COUNCIL DIRECTIVE TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE EXCEPTIONS FOR THAT, WHICH IS NOW NORTH. AND I DID WANNA, UM, JUST, UH, CLARIFY IN THE RECORD THAT THERE'S, UH, EIGHT SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTIES THAT WERE FORWARD. THOSE CATEGORIES, WAS IT 10? WAS THERE TWO COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES? I THINK YEAH, TWO COMMERCIAL, EIGHT SINGLE FAMILY AND 3, 2, 5. AND YOU CAN PROBABLY SEE THE NUMBER OF APPLICATIONS THAT VARY YEAR OVER YEAR. AND STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING TO TRY TO, UM, EXPAND PARTICULARLY REACHING COMMUNITIES THAT MAY NOT ALWAYS HAVE HAD ACCESS TO THESE RESOURCES. UM, AND WITH OUR RACE ORGANIZATION CONTEXT STATEMENT, THERE'S A LIST OF POTENTIALLY HISTORIC, UM, PROPERTIES. SO FOR, FOR THIS COMING YEAR, WE LOOKING AT MAYBE THERE SOME FOCUS WE HAVE ON THOSE PROPERTIES OR ARE THERE OTHER WAYS TO HELP KIND OF, TO YOUR POINT, COMMISSIONER, FOCUS ON HOW WE GET THE WORD OUT. SO, UM, ADVICE, RECOMMENDATIONS ON THAT IS VERY WELL. YEAH, AND I DID SEE THAT YOU GUYS ARE MAKING, I HAVE NOT ALWAYS LIVED, YOU KNOW, LONG BEACH AND IT'S REALLY NICE TO SEE WHEN THEY CAN, THAT THOSE PEOPLE HAVE EQUAL ACCESS TO INFORMATION AND OPPORTUNITY. AND THANK YOU FOR BEING ABLE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION. YOU KNOW ABOUT WHEN WE CHALLENGED YOU, WE CHALLENGED THE APPLICANTS, WE CHALLENGED YOU GUYS, THANK YOU FOR BEING ABLE TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS AND BEING ABLE TO SAY WHERE, WHERE REACH. THANK YOU. YEAH, I THAT WAS HELPFUL. UH, I KNOW THAT WAS A LOT OF WORK TO, TO, UH, PRESENT, BUT UH, IT WAS HELPFUL TO KNOW THAT THERE THINGS FAR OFF SUCCESSFUL. SO I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT THE ONE THAT, UM, DIDN'T WANNA WAIT TO 2026 SINCE THEY WERE ALREADY UNDERWAY IN THEIR PROJECT. UM, IS THERE ONLY A SECOND PLAN FOR THAT? IS THERE ANOTHER PLAN FOR THEM? IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE THAT THEY CAN DO? OR THAT'S IT, IT'S THE TIMING DIDN'T WORK OUT AND THAT'S JUST IT. YEAH, THEY WERE FULL UNDER WAY WITH CONSTRUCTION AND I THINK THAT BECAUSE THEY HAD THE CONTRACTOR THERE, THEY DIDN'T WANNA PAUSE TIMING. SO I THINK THERE WAS CONSTRAINTS THERE AND YOU KNOW, I I'M NOT SURE THAT THIS HOUSE WAS, WAS IN THE PROCESS OF SOMEONE LIVING THERE, I THINK THAT THEY MAY BE READY TO PUT ON THE MARKET. SO, SO IT, YEAH, SO THAT'S WAY NEXT OWNER MIGHT, YOU KNOW, MAKE THINGS UPDATED, BUT THEY, THEY WANTED TO MOVE, GO AND FINISH THEIR CONSTRUCTION AND IT DOES THE CONTRACT AGREEMENT FOR FEATURE WORK. THAT'S WHERE WELL THAT, [01:35:01] BECAUSE I THINK ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT CAME UP WAS THAT ONE OF THE APPLICANTS HAS DONE A LOT OF THE WORK AND THEY WERE LIKE DENIED. SO WHAT I MEAN IS THAT, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE LIKE A BILL WOULD HAVE TO BE CREATED AND THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE, AND THAT WOULD BE LIKE A WHOLE PATENT TO ALLOW LIKE A RETROACTIVE, ALMOST LIKE MILLS ACT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, RIGHT? SO, SO YEAH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD COME BACK MAYBE LIKE A STUDY SESSION TO LOOK AT HOW, WHAT, WHAT CHANGES YOU MAY BE INTERESTED IN FOR NEXT YEAR GUIDELINES, UM, GUIDE BECAUSE THEY'RE SORT OF THE STATE LAW THAT WE ARE USING TO HAVE THIS PROGRAM. AND THEN THERE'S UM, THE, THE CONTRACT THAT THE CITY USES CURRENTLY THAT DOES HAVE THAT LANGUAGE ABOUT, UM, FUTURE WORK. BUT, UM, THERE IS, I THOUGHT IT WAS HARD FACTS HONESTLY. AND AFTER THAT, SINCE I LOOKED INTO IT MORE AND IT, IT'S MORE GRAY AREA THAN I THOUGHT. UM, IT ALWAYS KIND OF MAKES SENSE I THINK ON THE STAFF SIDE. AND THAT'S HOW WE'VE ALWAYS EXPLAINED IT, HOW THE WORKSHOPS AND MATERIALS OF ITS WORK FEATURE WORK ONLY. AND SO THAT'S WHY THE REVERSE ORDER HERE, LIKE, WELL THE WORK THAT WE WOULD'VE WANTED TO SEE ON THE WORK PROGRAM ALREADY BEEN DONE. AND SO THAT'S THE CHALLENGE. UM, BUT I THINK THERE IS MORE, MORE WIGGLE ROOM THAN, UM, WE MAY HAVE THOUGHT. SO WE COULD, THAT IS SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK AT, BUT IT, IT CONTINUES TO BE SORT OF A, A PUBLIC BENEFIT QUESTION AS WELL OF IF YOU'RE GONNA GIVE THE FUTURE TAX BREAKS, UM, OR THE WORK, UM, YOU KNOW, IS THAT A, IS THAT A POLICY DECISION FOR WORK THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE AND HAS BEEN? RIGHT? UM, SO AND, AND THEN JUST TO THE, THE WAY THESE CONTRACTS WORK, SO I KNOW WE'VE EXPLAINED THAT YOU'RE ENTERING INTO A 10 YEAR CONTRACT, BUT IT'S RENEWAL PROCESS. UM, AND SO MANY OF THESE CONTRACTS GO FOR FAR MORE OF THAN 10 YEARS. UM, AND SO IF AFTER ONE YEAR, WHICH THAT'S NEVER HAPPENED HERE AT THE CITY, IF AFTER ONE YEAR YOU WANTED TO START WINDING IT DOWN, THAT THAT, THAT TAX BREAK IS STILL GOOD FOR ANOTHER 10 YEARS, SO IT'S A WIND DOWN IN 10 YEARS. SO IT'S QUITE A LONG TERM, UM, AGREEMENT THAT YOU'RE GOING INTO. AND SO IN EXCHANGE FOR THAT, THAT SORT OF WORK PROGRAM, THAT'S THE VALUE CONSIDERATION TO BE MADE. BUT THERE IS MORE, UM, YEAH, TO BE TRANSPARENT, THERE IS MORE WIGGLE ROOM. UM, WHEN WE LOOK AGAIN AT THE STATE LAW VERSUS HOW THE CITY HAS PRACTICED IT, WHAT WE'VE PRESENTED AND THE MATERIALS AND ALL THE, OR EVEN PEOPLE THAT CONSIDERED APPLYING BUT MAYBE DECIDED NOT. DO I THINK THAT'S ONE ONE POINT OF CONSIDERATION? I I WOULD LIKE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THAT. I THINK THERE'S NOT A GRAY AREA. THE WORK WAS DONE THREE YEARS AGO VERSUS THEY COMPLETED IT SIX MONTHS AGO AND IF THE WORK WAS COMPLETED SIX MONTHS AGO MM-HMM . WAS IT ENOUGH OR MM-HMM . TO HAVE MADE IT INTO A MILLS ACT CONTRACT IN THE FIRST PLACE. YEAH. OR WAS IT, NOT REALLY RESTORATION, BUT JUST CONTINUAL HOMEOWNER UPGRADES YEAH. THAT ARE NECESSARY WHEN YOU LIVE IN A . UM, AND, AND SO, UM, WOULD THEY ALSO BE REQUIRED TO BE LANDMARKED AS WELL, OR NOT? I WOULD IF THEY'RE NOT ALREADY. SO I, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT TIME YOU NEED TO DO A CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT TRAINING. I THINK T THE FACT THAT AUTO RENEWAL NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED JUST BECAUSE IT, THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE TAX YEARS NO, NO. IT AUTO RENEWS EVERY DAY. YEAH. YEAH. FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS. YES. AUTO. SO IF, IF WE WERE TO SEND TOMORROW A LETTER THAT SAYS YOU'RE NOT REALLY DOING ANYTHING MORE, WE ARE WIND DOWN OUR CONTRACT 10 YEARS, THE, OF THAT LETTER, THE TAX, SO MOST CONTRACT ACTIONS, AND THAT IS HOW IT'S WRITTEN STATE LAW, RIGHT. THAT THE, THE CITY. BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT TAKES TIME AND I KNOW YOU HAVE TO DO THIS PERIODIC ON SITE SECTION SESSION AND TO SEE LIKE WHAT IS ACTUALLY BEING AND ALL THAT. SO IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I WOULD ALSO JUST, UM, SAY IF YOU'RE GONNA DO WORKSHOP, THE CONSIDERATIONS FOR CHANGES. SO I ALSO, UH, DISTILLING IT DOWN OR LOOKING AT IT THROUGH A LENS OF EQUITY WOULD BE REALLY IMPORTANT. IF YOU CAN TAKE EVERY, EVERY PIECE OF IT AND LOOK AT IT THROUGH THE LENS, I THINK WOULD BE [01:40:01] NICE. SO NO, ALONG WITH THAT, UM, THE FACT THAT I KNOW THAT WE'RE HERE TO UPHOLD THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, BUT, UM, THERE'S BEEN SOME PUSHBACK. UM, SOME OF THE APPLICANTS IN OTHER CITIES NOW ARE BECOMING A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, ACCOMMODATING WHEN IT COMES TO COA AND, UH, AND THAT WAS DISCUSSED AT A PREVIOUS MEETING. UM, AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE HAVE YES, WE'RE, WE'RE DEFINITELY LOOKING AT, SO I FORGOT TO MENTION THIS DIRECTOR REPORT, BUT I HAVE MENTIONED A PREVIOUS, UM, REPORTS THAT WE HAVE OUR ENVIRONMENTAL CULTURAL RESOURCES STARTING IN SEPTEMBER. WE'LL BE HELPING LOOK AT AT THAT ISSUE OF SORT OF, UM, WHAT OTHER CITIES HAVE BEEN DOING AND WHAT IS WORKING WELL FROM NOT. UM, SO THAT WORKING. GREAT. SO AT THIS TIME THEN, WOULD YOU CALL FOR THE VOTE IF THERE'S ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC IN PERSON THAT WOULD LIKE, COMMENT HAND NONE IN PERSON. IF THERE ARE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE USE THE HAND FEATURE. NOW, IF DIVING IN TELEPHONICALLY, PRESS STAR NINE. NOW. THERE IS NO ONE BY PUBLIC COMMENT. YES, COMMISSIONER BO. THE RECOMMENDATION IS WHAT IS THE HEARING? JUST TO HEAR. IT'S WHAT? UM, ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. YES. . UH, COMMISSIONER HUNTER? YES. COMMISSIONER FOR THE, YES. COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER PRIOR? YES. UH, VICE CHAIR. YES. AND CHAIR GUI? YES. MOTION IS THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, WE'LL TAKE NON AGENDA ITEMS, LIKE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF. ANY OTHER ITEMS THAT ARE DONE AGENDA, IF THERE ARE ANY IN PERSON, YOU RAISE YOUR HAND OR, OR STAND SITTING, NONE IN PERSON. IF THERE ARE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE USE THE RAISE HAND FEATURE. NOW, IF THE TELEPHONICALLY PRESS STAR NINE, NOW, THERE'S NO ONE ON PUBLIC. ARE THERE ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS OF THE COMMISSION? VICE CHAIR QUESTION. WE RECEIVED A LATE NOTIFICATION. DIDN'T SEEM LIKE ANYTHING THAT WAS, AND THEY DIDN'T SHOW UP, SO, SO THAT WAS A, A WRITTEN PUBLIC COMMENT ON A NON ITEM, RIGHT? YES. YEAH. SO THAT WAS SHARED WITH THE COMMISSION, UM, FOR TRANSPARENCY, UM, THE, TYPICALLY THAT'S JUST PROVIDED TO THE DECISION MAKERS FOR YOUR INFORMATION, SO TO THE RECORD. UM, BUT YEAH, THAT, UM, THAT WAS A COMMENT ON NON ITEM RELATED TO A BICYCLE PROJECT. UM, THERE WAS A, A MEETING RECENTLY HELD BY THE HISTORICAL DISTRICTS AND UH, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP WAS, WILL THERE EVER BE A CITY EMPLOYED CULTURAL HERITAGE KIND OF DEDICATED OFFICER STAFF? YES, THERE IS. SO, SO, UM, YEAH, SO WE HAVE A NEW ENVIRONMENTAL AND CULTURAL RESOURCES OFFICER STARTING SEPTEMBER 8TH. UM, SO WE'LL GET TO MEET HER, UH, AT EXCELLENCE COMMISSION MEETING. UM, THAT IS, SO, UH, CURRENTLY THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROGRAM IS ONE OF THREE SUBDIVISIONS IN WHAT'S CALLED THE ADVANCED DIVISION. UM, THAT INCLUDES LONG RANGE POLICY PLANNING, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION. SO WE'VE BROKEN THAT GROUP INTO TWO SO THAT, UM, LONG RANGE, UM, AND POLICY PLANNING WILL BE IN ONE DIVISION AND THEN ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW AND, UM, CULTURAL PRESERVATION ARE IN THE OTHER DIVISION. UM, AND SO, UH, THE PERSON STARTING ON SEPTEMBER 8TH WILL BE OVER FORMED BROKEN OUT DIVISION. UM, AND SHE DOES COME TO US HAVING PREVIOUSLY BEEN A SENIOR HISTORIC FEDERATION PLANNER AT THE, FOR SEVEN YEARS AND HAVING ALSO [01:45:01] BEEN, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL AND STATE LEVEL. YEAH, RIGHT. POSITION ROLE IS MAYBE EXPLAIN TO US EXACTLY WHAT YEAH, WHAT WHAT WE SHOULD ITEM. WE CAN BRING IT, WE CAN HAVE BE, WE CAN HAVE THIS ON AGENDA FOR SEPTEMBER. YEAH. THANK, THANK YOU. GREAT. IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR ANNOUNCEMENTS, I HAVE ANOTHER POSSIBLE AGENDA. UM, I LOOKED AT A, UH, WELL, A MEETING WHERE THEY WERE BRINGING UP THAT THEY ARE REVISIONING, THE, THE CONVENTIONAL AREA AND THE PIPE AND ALL THAT STUFF. IT'S A BIG, UH, WAY OUT PLAN, BUT THEY'RE STARTING TO LOOK AT OR REORIENTING EVERYTHING, WHATEVER, LIKE THEY'RE, UM, AND I'M QUESTION, AND I, I GUESS THERE WAS A QUESTION. THERE'S SOME HISTORIC BUILDINGS ON OCEAN THAT COULD POSSIBLY GET AFFECTED WITH THE REVISION PLAN, LIKE THE SOVEREIGN OR, OR, OR THINGS LIKE THAT. IS THERE A WAY FOR THE COMMISSION TO UNDERSTAND WHICH BUILDINGS, UM, ALONG THAT, UH, SECTION WOULD POSSIBLY BE IMPORTANT TO LANDMARK BEFORE THERE NO OTHER ANNOUNCEMENTS. AND IF THERE'S NO OTHER OBJECTIONS, I DECLARE AJOUR. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.