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GOOD.UM, WE'LL CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER AT 2 33.
IT'S THE SEPTEMBER 4TH MEETING OF THE GOLF ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
AND WITH THAT, I GUESS LILY, IF YOU'D LIKE TO CALL THE ROLE.
AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE RECORD.
MEMBER MILLER IS EXCUSED FROM THE MEETING, AND, UM, ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE? SEEING NONE.
AND WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE REGULAR AGENDA.
ITEM NUMBER ONE, RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR THE GOLF ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING OF THURSDAY, JUNE 5TH.
CAN I GET A MOTION ON THIS ITEM? I MOVE.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM MEMBER BARRETT, SECOND FROM MEMBER RICHIE.
AND ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE MINUTES.
SEEING NONE, ANY DISCUSSION FROM ANY OF THE MEMBERS? OKAY.
I THINK WE'RE READY FOR THE ROLL CALL.
RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE THE CITY GOLF OPERATIONS ORAL UPDATES.
CAN I GET A MOTION ON THIS ITEM? MOTION? OKAY.
A MOTION CONING SECOND RICHIE.
AND WITH THAT, I THINK WE HAND IT OVER TO STAFF IF YOU'D LIKE TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE.
UM, JUST A COUPLE QUICK UPDATES FROM ME.
UM, UH, JUST WANTED TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT, UM, UH, PARKS WORKATION AND MARINE DIRECTOR BRENT DENNIS HAS RETIRED, UM, ABOUT A MONTH AGO.
UM, HE'S MOVED ON TO, UM, LESS GREEN PASTURES, PROBABLY IN, UM, IN, IN PHOENIX, ARIZONA, UM, UH, SPENDING TIME WITH HIS GRANDCHILDREN.
UM, SO IN THE MEANTIME, UM, STEVEN P. SCOTT, WHO'S OUR DEPUTY DIRECTOR, IS CURRENTLY, UM, SERVING AS INTERIM DIRECTOR.
SO, UM, HE'S VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT ROLE.
HE IS DONE IT A FEW TIMES INCLUDING, UM, UH, BEFORE, UH, DIRECTOR DENNIS CAME ON BOARD.
SO, UM, HE'LL BE THE ONE, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE, WE, YOU KNOW, SEND ON THESE, UM, APPROVE THESE REPORTS TODAY, HE'LL BE THE ONE LOOKING AT THOSE AND I APPROVING THEM.
UM, AND THEY'LL CONDUCT A NATIONWIDE SEARCH FOR A NEW DIRECTOR.
SO WE'LL KEEP YOU UPDATED ON THAT.
UM, AND AN UPDATE TO, OR NOT MUCH OF ONE ON, UM, THE, UH, SMOKING ORDINANCE, UM, MOTION THAT WE HAVE OUT THERE.
UM, IT'S JUST KIND OF ON HOLD FOR RIGHT NOW.
OUR, THE DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY WHO WORKED CLOSELY WITH OUR DEPARTMENT, UM, HAS LEFT THE CITY, AND SO, UM, THEY'VE GOT A COUPLE VACANCIES IN THAT DEPARTMENT, SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST TAKING A LITTLE BIT LONGER TO MOVE THINGS THROUGH.
UM, SO WE'RE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT NEED THEIR ATTENTION RIGHT NOW, SO, UM, AS SOON AS WE GET A NEW ONE ASSIGNED TO US, UM, IT'LL BE ON THEIR PLATE.
BUT IN THE MEANTIME, UM, JUST WAITING UNTIL WE GET, YOU KNOW, A PERMANENT, UH, DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY ASSIGNED TO US.
SO, UM, BUT DON'T WORRY, UH, HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE AN, AN UPDATE FOR YOU NEXT TIME ON THAT.
AND IF I CAN DEFER SOME OF MY TIME AND PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.
DID YOU WANT TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON HALL OF FAME? OH, SURE.
SO, UH, YES, WE DID HAVE THE LONG BEACH GOLF HALL OF FAME.
WE INDUCTED DANA ALQUIST, DANA D DANA ALQUIST.
UH, DANA IS, UH, GREW UP IN LONG BEACH, VIRGINIA COUNTRY CLUB.
HE'S TAUGHT AT, UM, HARTWELL SKY LINK.
SO NOW EL DORADO, HE IS WORLD RENOWNED, REALLY, UH, WORKED WITH, UM, BRYSON DE SHAMBO HAS BEEN WITH HIM AT THE BRITISH OPEN, THE US OPENS, UM, IT'S HAS, I THINK HE'S ADDED AWA HAS HAD A LOT OF REALLY GOOD PLAYERS, TEACHES IN THE BACK OF EL DORADO AND HAS BROUGHT A LOT OF ATTENTION TO EL DORADO AND, UH, US AND AS A CITY.
AND TROY GRANT, WHO IS THE DIRECTOR OF INSTRUCTION AT REC PARK, UH, HE DOES A LOT OF JUNIOR GOLF LESSONS, JUNIOR GOLF CAMPS.
HE HAS, UH, PROVIDED SOME, UH, CLINICS TO
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THE MEN'S AND WOMEN'S CLUBS, VERY POPULAR IN, UH, LONG BEACH.GOT A LOT OF SUPPORT WITH NOMINATIONS TO OUR COMMITTEE.
AND SO, UH, OUR COMMITTEE CHOSE THOSE TWO AND SUBMITTED THEM TO MR. DENNIS.
AND HE SIGNED THAT, I BELIEVE, ON HIS WAY OUT THE DOOR TO TUCSON
UH, SO, UH, THE CEREMONY WAS VERY NICE.
THEY WERE, UH, DANA WAS NOT ABLE TO BE THERE, BUT HE BROUGHT A BEAUTIFUL SPEECH, UH, WHICH YOU CAN FIND ON THAT GOLF LONG BEACH FACEBOOK PAGE.
CLINT WOOD, I THINK SUNG IS THE ONE WHO DOES THAT.
UH, AND TROY WAS, UH, VERY APPRECIATIVE.
IT WAS A REALLY NICE CEREMONY, AND A LOT OF TROY'S, UH, JUNIOR GOLFERS CAME OUT TO SUPPORT HIM, SO THAT WAS REALLY GREAT TO SEE.
UM, GOT SOME REALLY NICE PICTURES OF HIM WITH HIS, WITH HIS KIDS.
SO, UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANY OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS? FOR LORI OR FOR BOB? ALL RIGHT.
UM, HAVE YOU RECEIVED QUESTIONS ABOUT, I MEAN, WE, WE AT ONE POINT HAD A FAIR AMOUNT OF PUBLIC INPUT ABOUT SMOKING ON THE DRIVING RANGES.
IS THAT CONTINUED TO BE AN ISSUE? HAS THE, HAS IT SORT OF SUBSIDED IN? I HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY COMMUNICATIONS ABOUT IT SINCE.
UM, YEAH, I THINK, I THINK SINCE WE HAD, UM, PUBLIC COMMENT AT ONE OF OUR MEETINGS, SO, UM, BUT NOW THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT, UM, I, YOU KNOW, I WAS TRYING TO KEEP THEM UPDATED, THE, THE PEOPLE WHO HAD REACHED OUT.
SO, UM, I, YOU KNOW, I THINK THEY UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S KIND OF A WORK IN PROGRESS, BUT, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY IF SOMEONE REACHES OUT, I CAN GIVE THEM AN UPDATE ON IT.
BUT, UM, I HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF COMMUNICATION SINCE THEN, SO, SO HOPEFULLY THAT'S A GOOD SIGN.
WHAT IS GONNA BE THE PARAMETERS ON THIS? NO SMOKING ON A DRIVING RANGE.
DO YOU HAVE TO SAY, SAY 10 FEET AWAY FROM PEOPLE OR 20 FEET, OR HAS ANYBODY THOUGHT ABOUT THAT? YEAH, SO IT'LL BE, YOU KNOW, THE DETAILS I THINK WILL BE FLESHED OUT, UM, WHEN THE, WHEN THE ORDINANCE COMES THROUGH.
UM, THE CITY ATTORNEY WILL HELP US WITH THAT.
BUT I THINK BASED ON, ON HOW IT WORKS AT OTHER COURSES, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS ALLOWING SMOKING ON THE COURSE BETWEEN HOLES ONE AND 18, AND THEN IN ONE OTHER LIKE DESIGNATED AREA THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IN THE VICINITY OF, UM, THE GOLF SHOP, BUT NOT, THAT'S NOT NEAR ANY GATHERING PLACES.
NO SMOKING ON THE PUTTING GREENS.
NO SMOKING ON THE DRIVING ROOM.
PLACES WHERE PEOPLE CONGREGATE MM-HMM
I I WOULD LOVE TO GIVE YOU SOME HISTORY ON THAT.
WHEN WE WENT TO WHERE WE ARE, WHICH I BELIEVE IS EXACTLY WHAT LORI SAID, THERE WAS A MOVE TO BAN SMOKING FROM THE CITY'S HEALTH OFFICE.
UM, THERE'S A PERSON IN CHARGE OF SMOKING RULES, AND THERE WAS A MOVE TO BAN IT ON THE GOLF COURSES.
AND AMERICAN GOLF DID NOT WANT TO, PARTICULARLY PEOPLE WHO SMOKE CIGARS ON THE GOLF COURSES TO NOT BE ALLOWED TO DO THAT.
AND SO WHAT THE COMPROMISE WAS, WAS EXACTLY WHAT LORI SAID, WHICH IS YOU CAN SMOKE ON ONCE YOU'RE, ONCE YOU'VE LEFT NUMBER ONE, AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE AROUND WHERE PEOPLE CONGREGATE.
BUT THAT, OTHER THAN THAT, THERE WOULD, UH, I THINK IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE NEW TO SAY THERE WOULD BE ONE AREA IN THE COMMON AREA NEAR THE RESTAURANT OR THE PRO SHOP, OR THEN WHERE YOU COULD HAVE A DESIGNATED SMOKING AREA.
WE NEVER PUT IT INTO A FORMAL THING THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY LOOKED AT.
AND IF YOU'RE GONNA DO THAT, IT WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO GO TO COUNCIL MM-HMM
TO HAVE AN EXEMPTION FROM THE CITY THING.
BUT THAT WAS WHAT THEY DID, AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK THEY'RE TRYING TO DO NOW, IS JUST WITH THE, WITH THE PLAYERS CLUB AND PEOPLE BRING THEIR KIDS, OR THERE'S PEOPLE ON THE, THEY JUST, THE COMPROMISE IS THEY'LL LET YOU SMOKE ON THE GOLF COURSE.
HOW MANY COMPLAINTS HAVE YOU ACTUALLY RECEIVED FROM PEOPLE ABOUT SMOKING? OH, GOD.
UM, YEAH, PERSONALLY, HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE COM HAVE YOU, ARE YOU KEEPING TRACK OF THE NUMBER OF COMPLAINTS? PROBABLY BETWEEN FIVE AND 10, I WOULD SAY PERSONALLY.
WE KNOW FIVE AND 10 PEOPLE RUN THE GOLF, THE L GOLF COURSES.
THAT IS ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS.
WELL, I MEAN, JUST AN OPINION FROM ONE, AND IT CAME TO THIS COMMITTEE AS WELL, AND PARDON? IT CAME TO THIS COMMITTEE AS WELL AND WAS VOTED ON BY THIS COMMITTEE.
AND SO EIGHT MEMBERS OF THIS COMMITTEE ALSO VOTED TO, TO PASS THAT MOTION.
SO IT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALSO, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING OFF THE, THE FEEDBACK OF THIS COMMITTEE AND, AND TRENDS IN CITY POLICY AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S OTHER INPUT, BUT IT, WE RELY HEAVILY ON THE INPUT OF THIS COMMITTEE, AND IT WAS, UH, VERY, YOU KNOW,
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UM, AFFORDED TO, SORRY, I THOUGHT I SAW HAND ON.I I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, I MEAN, YEAH, WE, WE SPENT, WE DID SPEND A, A FAIR AMOUNT OF TIME, A COUPLE OF MEETINGS DISCUSSING IT AND, YOU KNOW, JUST FOR NOT TO GET BACK INTO THE WEEDS, BUT IT WAS CONSISTENT WITH OTHER MUNICIPAL SYSTEMS IN THE REGION AS WELL.
AND I BELIEVE THE CITY HAS A NO SMOKING IN PARKS, THEY ORDINANCES.
AND SO THE GOLF COURSE IS GETTING EVEN ALLOWED TO ON SMOKE ON THE COURSE WOULD BE AN EXEMPTION FROM THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR LORI? COMMENTS? OKAY.
WE HAD A, UM, A MOTION AND A SECOND FROM CONING AND RICHIE, AND I THINK WE ARE READY FOR THE ROLL CALL VOTE LILY.
SO WHICH MOTION ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? THIS IS JUST TO RECEIVE AND FILE THE UPDATE THAT I PROVIDED.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER THREE, RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE THE AMERICAN GOLF ORAL UPDATES ON THE COURSES, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS AND THE LONG BEACH GOLF FESTIVAL.
AND CAN I GET A MOTION TO OPEN THIS ITEM, MOTION FROM ILEY? SECOND.
AND ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? SO I'M NOT SURE IF WE HAVE PUBLIC TODAY OR NOT.
UM, OKAY WITH THAT, UM, WE'LL HAND IT TO SOME WHO'S HERE TODAY FROM AMERICAN GOLF.
ALRIGHT, GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE.
I'M FILLING IN FOR GARY, WHO'S GOT SOME FAMILY MATTERS TAKEN UP TODAY.
THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO BE HERE.
UM, GARY SENT ME SOME, UM, INFORMATION THAT HE WANTED TO SHARE WITH THE COMMISSION TODAY.
FIRST IS GOLF COURSES ARE IN GENERALLY GREAT SHAPE RIGHT NOW, AS MOST GOLFERS WOULD AGREE WITH.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE ARE ACTUALLY PUNCHING OUR GREENS
THAT IS THE PLAN FOR OUR VERIFICATION FOR ALL COURSES STARTING ON, UH, MONDAY, OCTOBER 6TH.
AND WE WILL BE PUNCHING FULL GREENS OR ALL LONG BEACH, UH, SIXTH, SIXTH MONDAY.
ALL ALL COURSES, RIGHT? ALL COURSES, MM-HMM
UM, WE, WE DO HAVE AN AMBASSADOR PROGRAM, AS YOU ALREADY KNOW, WE'VE BEEN DOING A GREAT JOB OF, UM, FUNDRAISING.
UH, WE HAD A FUNDRAISING GOAL THIS YEAR OF $60,000.
WE'VE DONE ABOUT 53,000 SO FAR THROUGH FIRST, UM, EIGHT MONTHS OF THE YEAR.
AND WE HAVE SOME EXCITING, UM, FUNDRAISING OPPORTUNITIES COMING UP IN SEPTEMBER WITH THE WOMEN'S SHELTER AT LONG BEACH, WHICH IS COMING UP ACTUALLY THIS MONTH.
SO, UM, WE'RE LOOKING TO HIT OUR GOAL COMFORTABLY AT THE END OF THIS YEAR.
WE DO HAVE SOME CIP PROJECTS, AS YOU MAY ALREADY HAVE NOTICED THAT ALL PARKING LOTS ARE GETTING SOME SAFETY REPAIRS AND OVERLAY SL SEAL BEING DONE RIGHT NOW.
UM, EL EL DORADO IS THE LAST ONE TO, UH, TO COMPLETE.
UM, OUR LAST DAY OF WORK SHOULD BE THE 16TH OF THIS MONTH, UM, WITH THE SL SEAL AND SQUEEZE STRIPING OF ALL OF OUR PARKING LOT.
UM, RECREATION PARKS, SKY LINKS, AND WELL, GOLF COURSES ARE ALL FINISHED ALREADY.
UM, GARY SAYS THAT IT IS IN RIGHT NOW WITH THE CITY PLANNING.
SO WE ARE WORKING ON, UM, UH, PUTTING LIGHTS ON THERE FOR SAFETY.
UM, EL DORADO, WE, WE ARE PLANNING ON, UM, ENCLOSING THE ENTRANCE, UH, TRASH LOADING DOCK AREA, AND WE ARE GETTING SOME FRESH BIDS TO GET THAT PROJECT GOING.
RECREATION PARK 18 GOT SOME NEW LIGHTS ON BOTH THE RANGE AND THE GOLF COURSE.
THAT PROJECT IS COMPLETE, AND WE DID REMOVE QUITE A FEW DEAD TREES.
UM, THROUGHOUT ALL THE GOLF COURSES.
THERE ARE STILL MORE TO, TO COME AND GO, BUT, UH, MOST OF THE TREES OF CONCERN ARE REMOVED ALREADY.
UM, THE GOLF FESTIVAL, UM, WAS A, WAS A GOOD SUCCESS THIS YEAR, UM, WITH THE LONG BEACH OPEN, HAVING A HUNDRED PARTICIPANTS AND, UH, A YOUNG MAN NAMED BRANDON FARNEY, KIND OF RUNNING AWAY WITH THE SCORE OF 21 UNDER.
HE WON WIRE TO WIRE, UH, AFTER THREE ROUNDS.
HE HAD 11 STROKES, UH, AHEAD OF SECOND PLACE.
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WHO WAS MR. UH, MICHAEL BLOCK? WORLDUM, AND THERE WAS A LOT OF TRASH TALKING GOING ON ON THE FINAL ROUND, FINAL PAIRING.
IT WAS INTERESTING, UM, STANDING NEXT TO THE, UM, SCORING AREA AFTER A ROUND.
BRANDON SAYING, I WILL NEVER PLAY WITH YOU AGAIN.
UM, BUT, UH, THE YOUNG MAN WON BY NINE STROKES.
UM, HE HAD HIS CRUISE CONTROL GOING ON ON THE FINAL ROUND.
UM, WHAT'S HIS NAME? BRANDON FARNEY.
THAT'S THE YOUNG MAN WHO HE GRADUATED FROM CAL STATE FULLERTON.
SO LOCAL Y LINDA KID, UM, IS PLAYING A LOT OF MINI TOURS AND I THINK SOME CORPORATE EVENTS ALSO.
HE'S, HE'S GONNA BE REALLY GOOD.
GOT GOOD DEMEANORS AND GREAT GAME, OBVIOUSLY.
UM, EVERYTHING WENT GREAT FOR THE, UH, LONG BEACH GOLF FESTIVAL.
UM, OUR SCHEDULE FOR NEXT YEAR SHOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THE END OF THIS YEAR, SO WE'RE WORKING ON THAT RIGHT NOW.
AS, UH, MR. BOB, UH, MENTIONED THE HALL OF FAME ALSO WENT WELL, UH, WITH MR. TROY GRANT AND MR. DAN QUIS BEING INDUCTED INTO THE HALL OF FAME.
AND THAT COVERS ALL THE THINGS THAT GARY HAD FROM TO SHARE WITH EVERYONE TODAY.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM MEMBERSHIP? GARY WAS WORKING ON A QR CODE CODE AS FAR AS THE, UM, LIKE A COMMENT CARD WHERE YOU GO IN AND SCAN IT AND THEN IT COMES UP.
AND LAST REPORT WAS, IT WAS INVOLVED IN MARKETING.
HAS HE SHARED ANYTHING WITH YOU? UM, NOT YET.
I DO KNOW THAT WE ARE NOW USING A CENTRALIZED SYSTEM WHERE IT COLLECTS ALL THE COMMENTS FROM ALL DIFFERENT TYPES OF SOURCES LIKE EL GOOGLE, WHATEVER REVIEWS THAT WE GET ONLINE.
MOSTLY THAT COMES INTO US INTO ONE CENTRALIZED QUEUE.
UM, I HAVE NOT HEARD YET ABOUT THE QR CODE, BUT I WILL RE MENTION THAT SO WE CAN GET THAT
FOR THOSE WHO AREN'T SO TAX, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT.
WELL, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE LONG BEACH SPECIFIC.
THE PRO SHOP OR THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY.
SO SOMEONE COULD, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE WALKING THE COURSE, THEY KNEW WHERE IT WAS AND THEY COULD JUST LOG ONTO IT AND SURE.
THIS SEEMS TO BE A REOCCURRING THEME, UM, THAT I HEAR A LOT.
EL DORADO GOLF COURSE ITSELF IS GREAT SHAPE, MOST OF IT.
UM, BUT THE REOCCURRING THEME IS THESE GUYS DO A LOT WITH WHAT THEY HAVE.
I'M KIND OF NOT SURE, I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND WHY THEY HAVE TO DO WITH SO LITTLE.
WE HAVE THESE THREE FOUR JEWEL GOLF COURSE, CITY OF LONG BEACH THAT ARE REVENUE GENERATORS MAKE MONEY.
AND, UM, IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE ALWAYS JUST FIGHTING TO JUST KEEP UP.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S AMER, I DON'T KNOW, DUG INTO ENOUGH, I GUESS DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT IT.
IS IT AMERICAN GOLF CITY OF LONG BEACH? SOME OF THE THINGS ARE JUST BASIC MAINTENANCE STUFF.
EL DORADO, WHICH IS WHERE I PLAY MOST OF MY GOLF.
THE BATHROOMS ARE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, JUST NORMAL MAINTENANCE IN THE BATHROOMS. BROKEN SINKS, SINKS THAT DON'T WORK, BROKEN URINALS, JUST GENERAL THINGS.
IT'S LIKE THE BROKEN WINDOW THING THAT WE WE'RE JUST LETTING THEM RUN DOWN.
I THINK EVEN, UM, DANA QUIS SAID IT AT EL DORADO, WE HAVE ONE OF THE TOP TEACHERS IN THE COUNTRY.
I MEAN, I THINK HE'S IN THE TOP FIVE.
I MEAN, HE'S UP THERE WITH THE BIG DOGS AND HE LOVES EL DORADO AND HE PLANS ON STAYING THERE.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHY WE CAN'T JUST HAVE THIS FANTASTIC PLACE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE GOTTA DO OR HOW WE GET THERE.
UM, HELP FROM THE CITY OF LONG BEACH, YOU KNOW, SEALING THE PARKING LOTS IS GREAT AND SOME OF THE OTHER STUFF, BUT, YOU KNOW, GETTING SAND AND SAND TRAPS WOULD BE GOOD.
JUST, JUST A LITTLE MORE EFFORT PUT INTO PROTECTING THE GREAT RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE AND MAINTAIN THEM.
I, I HAVE A SAFETY CONCERN FOR, UM, UH, WRECK PARK NINE ON HOLE NUMBER FOUR.
YOU LEAVE THREE AND YOU GO TO FOUR AND THERE'S STAIRS.
THERE'S BEEN WATER THERE FOR AT LEAST TWO MONTHS.
AND I'M REALLY CONCERNED THAT SOMEONE'S GONNA SLIP.
AND I HAVE PICTURES IF YOU NEED TO SEE THE PICTURES, BUT IT, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE MAINTENANCE PERSON DRIVING AROUND CAN'T SEE THAT THERE'S WATER AT THE BASE OF THESE STAIRS.
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OH, I JUST LOST IT.UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I'M CONCERNED THAT SOMEONE'S GONNA SLIP.
AND JUST TO BACK UP A LITTLE BIT, UH, ESPECIALLY SINCE SONG AARON AND GARY'S NOT, THESE GUYS DO DO AN INCREDIBLE JOB.
UH, LILI BERG, OUR SUPERINTENDENT DOES A GREAT JOB.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THE SUPERS DEALER COURSES.
WELL, THEY'RE USUALLY GENERALLY THE GOLF COURSE THEMSELVES GOOD SHAPE.
SO, YOU KNOW, I NEED WATER AT SKY LINKS, UH, AT THE RESTROOM.
THERE'S A LAKE THERE ON THE CART PATH.
IT'S FULL OF MOSQUITOES BEHIND THE RESTROOM ON 16, ALSO ON 16, RIGHT BY THE TEE IS A LAWN MOWING TRACTOR THAT'S BEEN THERE FIVE WEEKS AND THEY CAN'T MOVE IT.
OR
THEY'RE GONNA NEED A CRANE TO COME AND GET IT OUT,
BUT IT'S BEEN THERE FOR FIVE OR SIX WEEKS.
DID SOMEBODY GET YOU THE MESSAGE LAST WEEK ABOUT THE OLD SNACK SHACK AT ALDO ON HOLE THREE? THAT THE, IN THE MEN'S ROOM, THE WATER WAS, THE SINK WAS JUST SPINNING? YES.
YEAH, BECAUSE I TOLD, I TOLD BRAD THE, UH, RIGHT MARSHALL WHEN THAT HAPPENED.
ALDO, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, UH, THE RESTROOM WHERE THE SNACK SHOP IS MM-HMM
ON THE MEN'S SIDE, THERE'S NO WATER COMING OUT OF THE FAUCET.
WE HAD A, IT WAS JUST SPINNING.
WE'VE HAD SOME ISSUES WITH OKAY.
PEOPLE VISITING THERE AFTER HOURS, UM, MAKING A GOOD OLD MESS IN THERE, GETTING THE SHOWER AND BATH AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF.
SO, WELL, THEN THAT GOES BACK TO WHAT I'M SAYING.
WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.
WE CAN'T JUST GET IN TO THE HOMELESS.
THERE'S, THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT PROBLEM.
AND NOT HERE TO HARP ON THAT, BUT, UM, THERE'S, THERE'S WAYS TO KEEP PEOPLE OUT OF THERE AT NIGHT.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT A IMPOSSIBLE THING TO DO.
SONG CHAPTER, GOING BACK TO SKY LINKS AND THE, THE, UH, BLINKING LIGHTS.
DO YOU KNOW, YOU SAID THAT'S GOING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION? CORRECT.
WHERE DO KNOW WHEN IT'S GONNA GO AND HOW LONG IT'S GONNA TAKE? UM, I DON'T HAVE, I DON'T HAVE A TIMEFRAME YET, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S GOING TO, I THINK IT'S THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, CITY PLANNING.
THE CITY ENGINEER, UM, NEEDS TO REVIEW AND SIGN OFF ON THE PLANS.
DO WE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT HOW LONG THAT'LL TAKE OR ANYTHING? NO.
BUT THE CONTRACTORS ARE IN, GARY'S GOT THE CONTRACTOR YES.
EVERYTHING'S APPROVED AND READY.
SO AS SOON AS THOSE ARE SIGNED, THEN THEY CAN GET STARTED.
YEAH, BECAUSE WE TAKE OUR LIGHTS IN OUR HANDS ACROSS THE STREET.
EVERY, WHY ARE THEY GONNA WORK WHEN A GOLF, WHEN A GOLFER IS ON THE CROSSWALK, GREEN LIGHT OR YELLOW LIGHTS ARE GONNA FLASH SOMEWHERE, OR RED LIGHT YELLOW LIGHTS.
IT'S, THEY, THEY HAVE THOSE ALL OVER KIND.
YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN THEM IN OTHER LOCATION ROAD.
AS SOON AS SOMEBODY'S AT THE STOP SIGN OR AT THE CROSSWALK, THE LIGHTS BLINKS.
SO IT'S MORE VISIBLE TO THE DRIVER.
THE CARS YOU SUPPOSED TO STOP.
THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A MID ISLAND.
THERE IS GOING TO BE TO BE, THERE'S GONNA BE A MID ISLAND, SO YOU CAN GET HALFWAY ACROSS.
OH, THAT'S GONNA TAKE A WHILE.
AND THEN DO THE SECOND HALF IF YOU NEED TO.
HOW BIG IS THAT, THAT CENTER GONNA BE? I MEAN, THEY DON'T HAVE TOO MUCH ROOM THERE FOR TWO LANES OF TRAFFIC AS IT IS.
THERE'S LOADS OF YEAH, THERE'S, IT'S A FOUR LANE.
IT'S REALLY WIDE STREET, ISN'T IT? AND IF YOU JUST TAKE NOTICE THERE, OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY WILL NOTICE THERE.
THE SAME SETUP ISLAND, FLASHING LIGHTS.
IF YOU GO DOWN WARDLOW, THERE'S FOUR SETS.
RIGHT AT WARD FROM THE GOLF COURSE ALL THE WAY TO STU TO BAKER.
I GUESS I DON'T GO DOWNWARD AT ALL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FOR SOME? NO.
UM, WE HAD A MOTION FROM ILEY, SECOND INGS TO RECEIVE AND FILE THE AMERICAN GOLF ORAL UPDATES.
AND I THINK WITH THAT, LORI, WE'RE READY FOR THE ROLL.
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OKAY.MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR, RECOMMENDATION TO DISCUSS.
AND IF APPROPRIATE, RECOMMEND THE DIRECTOR APPROVE THE UPDATED GOLF OPERATIONS MANUAL WITH TWO REVISIONS AS ENDORSED BY THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES AD HOC COMMITTEE.
WITH THAT, CAN I GET A MOTION TO OPEN THIS ITEM? MOTION? OKAY.
A MOTION FROM BARRETT AND A SECOND FROM ANDERSON.
AND I AM GOING TO IMAGINE THAT THIS SHOULD, IS IT THE CHAIR OF THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES SUBCOMMITTEE OR, UH, LORI, IS IT YOU THAT WANTS TO TAKE THE LEAD? THIS IS A BIG ITEM.
THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES AD HOC COMMITTEE, UM, DID MEET ONE MORE TIME.
UM, THANK YOU, UH, TO DISCUSS.
UM, I KNOW WE BROUGHT YOU THE OPERATIONS MANUAL AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING.
UM, AND SO TO MAKE IT CLEAR WHAT, UM, WHAT ADDITIONAL CHANGES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU DO HAVE THOSE ON A SEPARATE DOCUMENT.
UM, SO WE MET TO, UM, DISCUSS, UM, SOME UPDATES TO THE RESIDENT MEMBERSHIP LANGUAGE, UM, AND ALSO, AND THEN ONE OTHER, UM, UPDATE I THINK TO THE TOURNAMENT POLICIES THAT, UM, UH, WE, WE FOUND SORT OF A TYPO IN.
SO FOR THE RESIDENT CARD, UM, POLICY, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT, UM, LIKE DIFFICULTY OF, UH, RENTERS, UM, FOR PEOPLE WHO AREN'T PAYING FOR UTILITIES, UM, TO BE ABLE TO PROVE THEIR RESIDENCY BECAUSE OUR PREVIOUS REQUIREMENTS WERE FOR, FOR A GOVERNMENT ISSUED ID, UM, PHOTO ID SUCH AS A CALIFORNIA DRIVER'S LICENSE PLUS A UTILITY BILL.
UM, AND, UM, WE'VE HAD SOME CONCERNS FROM PEOPLE WHO, YOU KNOW, YOUNG PEOPLE WHO MAYBE ARE STILL LIVING AT HOME WITH THEIR PARENTS OR, UM, RENTERS WHOSE UTILITIES ARE INCLUDED.
UM, AND SO, UH, WE SAT DOWN TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THAT.
AND, UM, AMERICAN GOLF HAS, YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST MADE EXCEPTIONS, UM, IF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO PROVIDE A LEASE AGREEMENT THAT STATES THAT THOSE UTILITIES ARE INCLUDED IN IT.
UM, SO WE ARE JUST GOING AHEAD AND DOCUMENTING THAT, UM, AS A POLICY MOVING FORWARD.
AND THEN AGAIN, FOR THE, UM, KIND OF OLDER, FOR THE YOUNG ADULTS, UM, BETWEEN THE AGES OF 18 AND 21, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, ALLOWING THEM WITH THEIR PHOTO ID, UM, TO HAVE A PARENT, UM, PROVIDE THOSE SAME DOCUMENTS, UM, THE UTILITY BILL AS WELL AS THEIR GOVERNMENT ISSUED ID TO PROVE RESIDENCY.
UM, WE ARE STILL REQUIRING UTILITY BILL IN ADDITION TO, UM, PHOTO ID.
UM, THAT, UH, IS CONSISTENT WITH, UM, OTHER CITY POLICIES LIKE THE, UH, VISTA DEPARTMENT'S, UM, POLICY TO PROVIDE A RESIDENT RATE FOR, UM, RENTAL FACIL FACILITY RENTALS.
UM, THEY ALL, THEY DO REQUIRE, UM, UTILITY BILL ONLY.
UM, AND THEN THERE ARE, WE LOOKED AT SOME OTHER, UM, LIKE GOLF RESIDENT CARD PROGRAMS THAT, UM, ALSO ARE CONSISTENTLY REQUIRING UTILITY BILLS SPECIFICALLY.
SO, UM, THE, UH, POLICIES AND PROCEDURES AD HOC COMMITTEE WAS SUPPORTIVE OF CONTINUING TO REQUIRE BOTH OF THOSE, UM, UH, DOCUMENTS TO PROVE RESIDENCY.
UM, AND THEN I THINK THE OTHER UPDATE WAS, UH, MORE OF A, JUST AN UPDATE TO THE TIMING OF THE TOURNAMENT, UM, FELT LIKE FOR THE TOURNAMENTS FOR THE KIDS TO HAVE PRIORITY.
AND THEN THERE, THERE WERE JUST A COUPLE OTHER SORT OF, UM, COPY EDITS THAT, THAT I UPDATED AND HAVE HIGHLIGHTED IN THE, UH, MANUAL.
YEAH, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE THERE, UH, SOME COMMENTS, UH, IN SOME, UH, EDITS HERE THIS WEEK.
AND I THINK WE ADDRESSED THOSE.
ALSO, WHAT LORI WAS REFERRING TO IS REVISION TWO, EXHIBIT B ON THE BACK OF THIS HANDOUT WAS THE DATE DECEMBER 13TH, UM, BY DECEMBER, 13 MONTHS BEFORE THE YEAR IN QUESTION.
SO BASICALLY THEY, AMERICAN GOLF AND THE CITY WOULD LIKE OUR SCHEDULES FOR ALL OUR CLUB EVENTS TO BE OUT AHEAD OF WHAT THEY'RE BOOKING TOURNAMENTS FOR, UM, TO THE PUBLIC AND THOSE SORT OF THINGS.
SO I THINK, I THINK WE'RE GOOD TO GO.
I, I WANT TO THANK MEMBER BARRETT, MEMBER YOUNG FOR MAKING THE TIME TO, TO BE ON THAT COMMITTEE.
AND I THINK WE, UH, WE GOT A FINISHED PRODUCT.
I JUST, AND MEMBER RICHARD? NO, NO, I WASN'T ON IT.
BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT SOMETHING, AND I DIDN'T BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION
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BEFORE, BUT IT'S ON PAGE NUMBER SEVEN AND IT'S TALKING ABOUT THE WAITING LIST AND IT SAYS, UH, NUMBER TWO, UM, ONLY IF THE STARTER IS ON TIME.IT, IT, THIS, I THINK IT SHOULD READ ONLY IF THE, I'M NOT CLEAR WHAT THAT MEANS.
UM, IT'S ON PAGE EIGHT UNDER WAITING LIST NUMBER TWO AND NUMBER THREE, IT SAYS ONLY IF THE STARTER IS ON TIME AND IT CONFUSES ME WITH THE PERSON OR OTHERWISE OPEN STARTING TIMES MAY BE FILLED BY PHONE OR FROM THE WAITING LIST.
ONLY IF THE STARTER IS ON TIME.
IT COULD BE A COMMON IN THERE.
SO SHOULD, WHAT'S THAT SAYING AER ON TIME? SO WHAT NO, WHAT THEY'RE SAYING HERE, I BELIEVE THIS LANGUAGE IS SAYING IS THE GOLF COURSE MUST BE ON TIME.
THE GOLF, THERE'S AN OPEN SPOT.
THEY FILL COURSE, SO IF IF THEY'RE 20 MINUTES BEHIND, THEY'RE NOT GONNA TAKE SOMEBODY OFF THE WAITING LIST.
OH, BUT I COULD SEE WHERE, YEAH, YEAH.
AND THEN, UH, THIS IS MINOR, BUT UM, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF IT'S WORTH CLARIFYING, BUT ON PAGE 31, WHEN IT TALKS ABOUT THE CLUB MEETING DATES AND LOCATIONS, UH, RECREATION NINE, THE WOMEN HAVEN'T MET AT THE BRUINS DEN IN YEARS BECAUSE THEY STARTED CHARGING US.
SO WE'RE MEETING IN THE RESTAURANT.
AND YOUR RESTAURANT AT REC AT, YEAH, AT REC NINE.
I DON'T KNOW, LORI, YOU GOT THAT? YES.
YEAH, WE HAVEN'T HAD A MEETING IN THREE YEARS AT, AT REST.
SO ON THE SITE WE MEET ONCE A MONTH ON THE SITE, BUT WE DON'T GO TO THE BREWS THEN.
'CAUSE THEY WANTED TO START CHARGING US AND WE SAID, WELL THEN SHOULD THEY BE CHARGING YOU? YEAH.
I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD BE CHARGING.
I DON'T THINK THAT, SO SHOULD WE, HOW CAN WE RESOLVE THAT? SO I THINK THE CITY NEEDS TO GO BACK ON THAT.
RATHER THAN CHANGE IT TO THE COFFEE SHOP, I THINK THE BRU INSTEAD NEEDS TO STAY THERE 30 30.
OR I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE AGE.
YOUNG ADULTS, 18 TO 21, UH, WITH INSURANCE, AREN'T YOUNG ADULTS COVERED WITH THEIR PARENTS' INSURANCE? SO LIKE 24 OR SOMETHING? HEALTH INSURANCE.
SO I WOULD WONDER WHY THAT WOULDN'T 'CAUSE A LOT OF THOSE KIDS STILL LIVE AT HOME.
WHY THAT WOULDN'T JUST GO TO THAT AGE VERSUS 21? JUST A THOUGHT.
I GOT WAS I THINK, UM, THE THINKING BEHIND THAT WAS, I THINK HARRY WAS THINKING ABOUT LIKE COLLEGE STU LIKE COLLEGE AGE STUDENTS WHO, YOU KNOW, MIGHT STILL BE AT HOME WHILE ATTENDING SCHOOL.
I THINK THAT WAS THE REASON FOR THE 2021 YEAR, UM, CUTOFF THAT HE SUGGESTED.
SO LORI, ARE YOU SAYING THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO USE THE BROOM GUN WITHOUT BEING CHARGED OR THAT THAT'S THE WAY IT READ? THE BOB'S GOTTA, I THINK THAT'S WHY IT'S INCLUDED IN THERE IN THAT WAY.
SO, UM, WHO OPERATES THOSE? THE CITY STILL OPERATE? YES, IT'S THROUGH OUR RESERVATION, OUR PARK DEPARTMENT THROUGH OUR RESERVATION.
IT'S THROUGH OUR RESERVATION PROCESS.
SO WE'D HAVE TO GO BACK TO THAT TEAM AND TALK, SEE WHERE IT'S ABOUT HISTORY.
I SEE YOU RAISING YOUR GUESS
UM, THE, THE LEASE DOES SAY THAT THE CLUBS ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE AND CONTINUE TO GET WHAT THEY GOT.
I DO NOT KNOW IF THAT HAPPENED AFTER I LEFT.
SO THERE MAY HAVE BEEN A DISCUSSION BETWEEN THE PARKS' RESERVATION OFFICE AND THE DIRECTOR SAYING WE NEED THAT ON THOSE FRIDAYS, BUT THE LEASE ITSELF SAYS THAT THE CLUB DATES AND TIMES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE RESPECTED UNLESS THERE'S AN AGREEMENT TO CHANGE THEM.
SO UNLESS, I DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY STARTED SAYING THEY WERE GONNA CHARGE YOU, BUT UNLESS THE DEPARTMENT DECIDED THAT THEY HAD TO CHARGE THAT AND LET YOU KNOW THAT THERE WOULD BE SOMETHING ELSE.
'CAUSE WE WERE TOLD, WELL, IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE OUR MEETINGS THERE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PAY FOR THE RENTAL OF THE ROOM.
YOU GO LOOK INTO THAT AND GET BACK TO YOU GUYS ON THAT ONE PRESSURE.
WELL, I, I WILL JUST SAY, UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I KNOW THAT THIS IS A COMPREHENSIVE DOCUMENT AND IT WAS A LOT OF WORK FOR THE SUBCOMMITTEE TO GO THROUGH ALL THIS AND A LOT OF WORK FOR, UM, FOR STAFF AS WELL.
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APPRECIATE IT.I DO WANNA MAKE ONE COMMENT, WHICH IS THAT, YOU KNOW, I, I AM WITH THE SCGA, SO YOU MIGHT LOOK AT IT AS WELL, OF COURSE KEVIN LIKES ORGANIZED PLAY.
BUT I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, I DO GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO A LOT OF MEETINGS IN VARIOUS MUNICIPAL SYSTEMS AND THERE IS, I THINK A, A A GREAT BALANCE THAT HAS BEEN STRUCK HERE AND IN THIS TOURNAMENT POLICY WHERE YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE TRYING TO, AS A CITY PROVIDE THE SYSTEM AS A WHOLE AND PROVIDE VARIOUS OFFERINGS.
SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, IN SOME PLACES THERE'S REALLY A PUSH TO SORT OF GET AWAY FROM GROUP PLAY.
UM, AND IN SOME CASES IT'S THE OPPOSITE WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO JUST BRING IN AS MUCH REVENUE AS POSSIBLE.
SO LET'S JUST BOOK AS MANY TOURNAMENTS AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE WE CAN GET MORE TOURNAMENT FEES.
SO STRIKING THAT BALANCE I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT, UM, FOR THE RESIDENTS.
AND I THINK TO CREATE A GREAT GOLF SYSTEM OVERALL, I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THAT.
I, I ALWAYS LIKE TO USE THE EXAMPLE THAT I COULD GO TO ONE OF THE SOFTBALL FIELDS RIGHT NOW, BUT IF I'M OUT THERE BY MYSELF, THE FIELD MIGHT BE MANICURED WELL AND I COULD REALLY ENJOY THE EXPERIENCE, BUT I'M PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, PICKING THE ONE DANDELION OFF THE FIELD BECAUSE HAVING THAT ORGANIZATION, HAVING A A A, AN ADULT LEAGUE IN THE EVENING IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AND ENHANCED EXPERIENCE.
YOU'RE REALLY GETTING THE OFFERING IN IN ALL THAT IT CAN BE.
UM, SO I THINK IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO HAVE A POLICY BOOK THAT THAT KIND OF TRIES TO STRIKE THAT BALANCE.
AND, AND I, YEAH, I JUST WANT TO, TO TO SAY THAT I, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, LONG BEACH IS PRETTY SPECIAL IN, IN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO TAKE WHAT IS ONE OF THE, IF NOT THE BUSIEST SYSTEM IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY AND, YOU KNOW, BY AND LARGE KEEP EVERYBODY HAPPY AND PROVIDE A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES TO EXPERIENCE THE SYSTEM.
AND, UM, I JUST, I THINK, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S GREAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FOR THE POLICY COMMITTEE? UM, SO I HAVE ONE CLARIFYING QUESTION.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE ARE A COUPLE MINOR DETAILS THAT NEED TO BE, UH, SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE CAN, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, ANSWER JOYCE'S QUESTION AND, AND RESOLVE THAT.
UM, I THINK WE CAN, I THINK THE COMMITTEE CAN STILL, YOU KNOW, APPROVE, UM, PENDING, I GUESS THAT THAT CORRECTION.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE COMMITTEE CAN STILL LIKE APPROVE THE DOCUMENT AS IS AND WE'LL UPDATE YOU WITH WHAT THAT UPDATE IS BEFORE, UM, BEFORE WE GET THE, UM, DIRECTOR, THE CITY TURNING THE DIRECTOR TO APPROVE IT.
IF YOU GO TO THE HOLIDAYS NOT LISTED IS THANKSGIVING DAY FRIDAY IT'S IN IN, IT'S IN THERE.
IT IS IN, YEAH, SHE CORRECTED.
AND THEN WHAT ABOUT CAESAR SHOP? THAT IS NOT, THE CITY DOESN'T, THE CITY DOESN'T OBSERVE THAT AND THE SCHOOLS DON'T EITHER.
SO FOR NOW, WE'LL, YEAH, BUT THANK YOU.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD.
SO WE HAD A, A MOTION, I THINK I MISSPOKE EARLIER, BUT I HAVE A MOTION FROM YOUNG AND A SECOND FROM ANDERSON.
I THINK I MAYBE SHOULD BARRETT ANDERSON.
BUT THAT'S WHAT I HAD DOWN ON IN MY NOTES.
UM, AND THEN, SO WE HAVE THIS, UH, UH, RECOMMENDATION, UH, FOR THE DIRECTOR TO APPROVE THE UPDATED GOLF OPERATIONS MANUAL, UM, WITH THE TWO REVISIONS AS ENDORSED BY THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES SUBCOMMITTEE.
AND THEN DO WE NEED TO ADD THAT WITH SLIGHT, I I AMENDMENTS THAT I, WE DISCUSSED HERE MAY STILL FIND A COUPLE, LIKE COPY, COPY EDITS AND THINGS.
SO I WOULD CALL THAT A COPY EDIT AT THIS POINT.
'CAUSE IT'S JUST THE NAME OF THE PLACE WHERE, YOU KNOW, SO I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S SUBSTANTIVE AND OKAY.
SO, UM, IF, IF YOU GUYS ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, I THINK THAT THE MOTION AS OKAY STATED HERE, IS STILL APPROPRIATE.
SO IF MEMBERS, UH, THERE'S ANY QUESTION FROM THOSE WHO MADE THE MOTIONS, UM, ANY AMENDMENTS OTHERWISE, IT SOUNDS LIKE WITH CONSIDERING THE, THE CHANGES ARE NON-SUBSTANTIVE THAT, UM, THE MOTION AND THE THE SECOND COULD, COULD BE CONSIDERED.
AND LORI, IF YOU'D LIKE TO CALL THE ROLE CHAIR FITZGERALD? YES.
WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE, RECOMMENDATION TO REVIEW AND APPROVE THE GOLF ADVISORY COMMITTEE'S 2024 ANNUAL
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REPORT.AND WITH THAT, CAN I GET A MOTION TO OPEN THIS ITEM? OKAY.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM CONING, UH, SECOND FROM BARRETT.
AND, UM, SHOULD DO, DO YOU WANT TO START? SURE.
I HAVE ONE COMMENT, BUT, UH, MAYBE IF YOU WANT TO START OUT.
UM, AND, UH, SO THIS IS THE, UM, ANNUAL REPORT FOR THE COMMITTEE'S ACTIVITIES DURING THE 2024 CALENDAR YEAR.
SO I APOLOGIZE THAT WE'RE STILL HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF A RUSTY START TO THIS PROCESS.
THIS IS THE SECOND ANNUAL REPORT THAT WE'VE SUBMITTED.
UM, AND WHILE THE, UM, MUNICIPAL CODE DOES NOT REQUIRE IT TO COME TO THE COMMITTEE, WE BROUGHT IT TO THE COMMITTEE LAST TIME.
AND SO WE WILL NOW BE BRINGING IT TO THE COMMITTEE EVERY YEAR BEFORE WE, UM, SUBMIT IT.
SO TECHNICALLY WE ARE A LITTLE BEHIND THIS YEAR, BUT WE WILL BE BRINGING IT IN THE FUTURE AT THE MARCH OR THE JUNE, UM, MEETING FOR YOU.
SO, UH, THIS, UM, THANK YOU KEVIN, KEVIN COMPILED, UM, ALL THE, UM, ACTIVITIES FROM 2024.
UM, IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD SUMMARY.
UM, AND YEAH, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS.
JUST A, A BIG THANK YOU, KEVIN, FOR YOUR WORK ON THAT.
UM, AND, UM, AND LIKE I SAID, WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE TO DECIDE WHERE WE CAN FIT IT IN, UM, NEXT YEAR, BUT WE'LL, UM, WE'LL, WE'LL BE BRINGING IT IN THIS SPRING, UM, FROM HERE ON OUT.
YEAH, I'LL JUST START BY SAYING THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF CONFUSION ABOUT WHETHER IT WAS CALENDAR YEAR OR FISCAL YEAR AND SO ON AND SO FORTH, BUT HOPEFULLY THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED.
THIS, HOPEFULLY THIS IS SORT OF A, A MODEL IN THE END WITH WHAT, WHAT THIS COULD AND, AND SHOULD LOOK LIKE IF THIS MOVES FORWARD.
AND THEN I, YOU KNOW, I THINK, YOU KNOW, I I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THE, UH, YOU KNOW, YOUR WORK 'CAUSE IT WAS A LOT OF WORK FOR YOU,
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, I WON'T BE THE CHAIR FOREVER.
AND SO HOPEFULLY WHEREVER WE LAND ON THIS, THIS WILL BE A GOOD, A GOOD MODEL FOR WHOEVER NEEDS TO HELP PUT IT TOGETHER IN THE FUTURE.
AND IF ANY CHANGES NEED TO BE MADE, THAT'S, THAT'S GREAT, BUT WE CAN TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET A HEAD START ON IT SO WE'RE KEEPING TRACK OF IT IN ADVANCE SINCE WE KNOW IT'S THE CALENDAR YEAR.
AND JUST, UH, SO YOU ALL KNOW THEN, THEN WHAT HAPPENS AFTER YOU ALL, UM, APPROVE IT IS THERE'S A, UM, THERE'S A MEMO THAT GOES FROM THE DIRECTOR OF PARK ASSOCIATION AND MARINE, UM, TO THE CITY MANAGER AND, UM, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND IT'S, UM, PUBLISHED ONLINE.
AND SO I CAN, UH, SHARE WITH YOU THE LINK TO THAT PAGE.
UM, IF YOU WANNA LOOK AT ANY OTHER EXAMPLES OF ANNUAL REPORTS THAT COMMITTEES OR COMMISSIONS, UM, UH, PUBLISHED, THEY'RE ALL ON THAT PAGE AS WELL.
BUT, UM, THEY, THERE'S A, A GREAT RANGE IN LIKE THE COMPLEXITY OR IN DESIGN, UM, BEHIND THE REPORT, BUT THIS IS PERFECTLY SUFFICIENT.
UM, WELL, HOPEFULLY IT MAKES CLEAR THAT THE MEMBERS FIND SOME VALUE IN THE HAVING A GOLF ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND, UM, I, I, I THINK THAT'S HOPEFULLY THE, THE MEDIUM IS THE MESSAGE.
UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS ABOUT THE REPORT FROM MEMBERS? OKAY.
WE HAD A, A MOTION FROM CONING SECOND FROM BARRETT.
AND WITH THAT, LORI, I THINK WE'RE READY FOR THE ROLL.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER SIX, RECOMMENDATION TO CONSIDER THE ESTABLISHMENT OF ADDITIONAL AD HOC COMMITTEES AND OR DISSOLUTION OF EXISTING AD HOC COMMITTEES.
CAN I GET A MOTION TO OPEN THIS ITEM? MOTION.
MOTION FROM ANDERSON SECOND FROM RICHIE.
AND, UM, I, I GUESS MY, MY FIRST QUESTION IS, UH, SHOULD MAYBE YOU HAVE, HAVE LORI SOME EXPLANATION? I, I DO.
I THINK WE HAVE, UH, GIVEN THESE COMMITTEES, UH, UH, UH, BECAUSE THEY'RE AD HOC NOW, WE GIVE THEM A SPECIFIC TASK.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES THAT YOU'RE WORKING ON AT THE MOMENT, BUT ALL I HAD IN MY NOTES WAS, UM, AN ITEM THAT WE JUST VOTED ON AND CLOSED.
SO MY UNDERSTANDING THEN IS THAT WE, WE DISSOLVE THAT SUBCOMMITTEE AND, UM, AND THEN IF THERE IS, UH, A NEED FOR ANOTHER
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SUBCOMMITTEE PRIOR TO OUR DECEMBER MEETING, THEN WE WOULD NEED TO CREATE IT NOW.AND I BELIEVE, UM, WE WOULD WANT TO CREATE AN AD HOC, UM, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, UM, COMMITTEE GENERALLY, UH, WE ASK, UM, SOME MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE TO TAKE A LOOK AT AMERICAN GOLF CIP LIST FOR THE YEAR IN ADVANCE OF OUR FULL MEETING IN DECEMBER.
UM, SO THEY WOULD MEET, UM, BEFORE THAT DATE, UM, TO LOOK AT THE, UH, LIST IN DETAIL AND THEN BRING THE CIP LIST FOR 2026 TO THE COMMITTEE ON DECEMBER 5TH.
SO WE, YOU NEED, WE, WE NEED A MOTION TO DISSOLVE THE, THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES AD HOC COMMITTEE AND WE WOULD NEED, UM, A MOTION TO, UH, CREATE A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT AD HOC COMMITTEE.
AND WE NEED TO IDENTIFY THE MEMBERS OF THAT, UM, AD HOC COMMITTEE AS WELL.
NOT NECESSARILY IN THE MOTION, BUT, OKAY.
SO IS IT, BECAUSE THIS IS ALL STILL A BIT NEW TO US, SO ARE WE, IS IT, IS IT MORE CLEAN FOR THE RECORD TO SEE IF WE CAN DISSOLVE, CREATE AND THEN WE WILL DETERMINE WHO THE MEMBERS ARE? OKAY.
WOULD ANYONE OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DISSOLVE THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES AD HOC SUBCOMMITTEE, CREATE THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT AD HOC COMMITTEE? UM, OKAY.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM YOUNG AND A SECOND FROM ANDERSON? YES.
AND I THINK WE'RE READY FOR A, IF THERE'S NO DISCUSSION, UM, I THINK WE'RE, SHOULD THE DISCUSSION BE IDENTIFYING THE MEMBERS AND THEN WE GO? SURE.
UM, SO YOU, WE NEED FOUR MEMBERS AT THE MOST, AT THE, THE MOST AND NO LESS THAN, NO LESS THAN THREE MEMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT.
THIS IS WHERE IT BECOMES A LITTLE COMPLICATED WITH THE AD HOCS BECAUSE IN THE PAST THEY WERE STANDING, SO WE MADE SURE THAT IT WASN'T GOING TO BE THE SAME MEMBERS TASKED WITH OR VOLUNTEERING TIME AND TIME AGAIN.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE BALANCE THAT.
MAYBE WE JUST TAKE VOLUNTEERS.
BUT ALSO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S SORT OF A, A GENERALLY ACCEPTED PRACTICE ON AD HOC COMMITTEES, BUT I'M HAPPY TO VOLUNTEER IF THAT HELPS.
LET'S, LET'S START WITH VOLUNTEERS TODAY AND SEE, OKAY.
ANYONE VOLUNTEERING FOR THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT SUBCOMMITTEE? KEVIN DRINKS? WE HAVE MANY I THREE MINIMUM FITZGERALD.
OR DID, DO WE HAVE YOU ALSO, UM, BOB IS NOT HERE, SO HE'S IN, YOU KNOW, IF WE, IF WE HAVE THREE AND NOT A FOURTH WILLING HERE, I COULD ALSO PUT IT TO HIM IF THAT'S OKAY.
IF THAT, IF THAT WORKS FOR THE, THE, THE OTHER MEMBERS.
OKAY, SO WE HAD A, A MOTION YES.
FROM ANDERSON, WE HAVE MEMBERS, RICHIE ILEY FITZGERALD SIGNING UP TO PARTICIPATE IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT SUBCOMMITTEE.
AND WITH THAT, LORI, I THINK WE ARE READY FOR A ROLL CALL.
CARRIE? THAT ONE IS ALWAYS DIFFICULT.
UM, IT IS NOW TIME FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AND, UH, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE GOLF ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON NON AGENDA ITEMS. I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK, UH, MR. LIVINGSTON, YOU QUALIFY AS A, I THINK YOU WERE A GUEST TODAY TO PROVIDE INPUT, BUT HOWEVER WE THINK IT IS APPROPRIATE, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH THAT.
I, I WOULD JUST COMPLIMENT YOU ON THE ONE AGENDA ITEM THAT GETTING THAT MANUAL DONE IS GREAT.
THAT IS AN IMPORTANT DOCUMENT.
WE'VE USED IT IN THE PAST, BUT THESE ARE OUR RULES AND THINGS COME UP AND THE GENERAL MANAGERS OR THE CITY ATTORNEY GOES, WELL, WHAT ARE YOUR RULES? HAVING THAT NICE CLEAN DOCUMENT IS VERY GOOD FOR KUDOS.
AND I KNOW THAT WE DO HAVE SOME PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WAS SUBMITTED IN WRITING AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO INCLUDE THOSE COMMENTS IN THE RECORD.
ALTHOUGH MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE DON'T ACTUALLY READ ALL OF THE LANGUAGE, BUT WE DO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE AVAILABLE IN THE, THE RECORD.
DON'T READ THE, YOU DON'T NEED TO READ THE LANGUAGE, BUT IF YOU COULD JUST ACKNOWLEDGE WHO WE RECEIVED PUBLIC COMMENT FROM.
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WAS PROVIDED BY KURT CANFIELD, UH, VIA EMAIL AND WE HAVE, LEMME MAKE SURE I GET THIS RIGHT.UM, IS IT ERIC LEWIS? ERIC LEWIS VIA EMAIL AS WELL.
AND THAT WILL BE IN THE RECORD.
SO WE THANK THEM FOR THEIR COMMENTS.
AND ALRIGHT WITH THAT, I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION THAT THERE ISN'T A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM, BUT, UM, I'M CURIOUS IF THIS IS APPROPRIATE, MAYBE UNDER ANNOUNCEMENTS, BUT I, I I DO HAVE ONE MM-HMM
UM, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M ALWAYS INTERESTED IN SEEING IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO SORT OF GET ROUNDS INFORMATION.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE SORT OF TRACKED THESE THINGS AND THERE HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, GREAT QUESTION ABOUT TOTAL UTILIZATION.
IT SEEMS TO BE RECORD HIGH IN MOST OF SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW DIFFICULT THAT REPORT WOULD BE, BUT I, I'M ALWAYS INTERESTED IN ROUNDS IN REVENUE AND WHEN WE'VE MADE SIMILAR REQUESTS, THE ANSWER HAS BEEN YOU CAN MAKE A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST.
AND I THINK, WELL, TO ME, THE, THE GOLF ADVISORY COMMITTEE SEEM LIKE A REASONABLE PLACE FOR ROUNDS IN REVENUE, WHATEVER CAN BE PROVIDED.
I JUST THINK IT'S INTERESTING AND I THINK IT'S HELPFUL 'CAUSE I, I GET SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, UH, UTILIZATION AND HOW ARE THE, HOW IS, HOW ARE COURSES DOING IN GENERAL.
AND SO I, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT IN THE FUTURE.
UM, OKAY, WITH THAT ANNOUNCEMENTS, UH, MEMBERS AND STAFF, ARE THERE ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS FOR, FOR THE GROUP? I JUST WANTED TO COMPLIMENT, UM, KEVIN ON AS NICE ARTICLE AND FOUR MAGAZINE, IF ANYBODY SAW IT WAS REALLY WELL DONE.
IS THIS NOT EVEN THIS JUST A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD.
WITH, UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM COMMITTEE MEMBERS, FROM STAFF? ALL RIGHT.
UM, WITH THAT, IF THERE'S NO OBJECTION, I WILL DECLARE THE MEETING ADJOURNED AT 3 25.
WE, YOU ASKED US TO MAKE A DON'T WE GET THREE MINUTES TO MAKE A COMMENT? OH, IF WHAT YOU TALKING ABOUT YOU WANT, YOU CAN, YEAH.
YOU'RE A MEMBER SO YOU CAN ABSOLUTELY.
AND JUST TO FOLLOW UP, IF YOU DO WANT TO DISCUSS ON A FU YOU KNOW, FUTURE AGENDA ITEM, THEN WE CAN DO THAT.
UH, I HAD A FEW CONVERSATIONS WITH GARY ABOUT THE RULE IS WHAT HE REFERS TO IT ON THREE 18 WHOLE GOLF COURSES THAT ONE OF THEM BE AVAILABLE IN THE MORNING TO RESIDENTS AS OPPOSED TO HAVING A GOLF TOURNAMENT ON ALL THREE.
I KNOW, I IMAGINE THE AMERICAN GOLF WOULD LOVE TO HAVE TOURNAMENTS ALL DAY, EVERY DAY, EVERYWHERE.
UH, BUT, UH, AND I, AND I MAKE TEE TIMES FOUR TIMES A WEEK, AND EVERY NOW AND THEN I RUN INTO A MORNING THAT NONE OF THE THREE BIG GOLF COURSES ARE AVAILABLE.
AND I BROUGHT IT TO GARY'S ATTENTION AND HE SAYS HE WANTS TO LOOK INTO IT, BUT HE CALLS IT A RULE.
AND THE RESIDENTS ARE REALLY SUPPORTING THESE COURSES.
UH, AND, AND I GUESS GARY AND WHOEVER MADE THE TOURNAMENT CALENDAR, WHICH MAKES IT MUCH EASIER.
AND I USE THAT TERM, THAT CALENDAR, AND I CAN SEE THAT ONE COURSE IS AVAILABLE AND HOW I CLICK ON THAT COURSE, IT'S NOT AVAILABLE IN THE MORNING.
I THINK THAT THE GOLFERS WOULD APPRECIATE THAT THE, UH, THAT KIND OF THING MUST BE TAKEN MORE SERIOUSLY.
THE THREE 18 HU GOLF COURSES, ONE MUST BE AVAILABLE EVERY DAY.
I RUN, I'VE RUN INTO DAYS AND I, I'LL SAY ONCE A MONTH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ON AVERAGE THAT ALL THREE ARE BOOKED AND I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT.
WHO KEEPS THAT, UH, TOURNAMENT CALENDAR? I'VE ASKED GARY AND I CAN'T FIND OUT WHO DOES THAT TOURNAMENT CALENDAR.
DO YOU KNOW THE ONE THAT IS ON THE LBC GOLF.COM? YEAH.
ON THE WEBSITE WE UPDATED INTERNALLY, WHO'S WE? I BELIEVE ERIC AND HARTWELL LOOKS AT ERIC AND HARTWELL, HE'S THE GUY THAT DOES IT.
HE, UH, HAS ACCESS TO LOOK AT ALL OUR CALENDARS OR WHICH WE BOOKED TOURNAMENTS AND HE TRANSLATES THAT INTO THE CALENDAR.
GOOGLE CALENDAR THAT SHOWS WHICH, SO YOU HAVE YOUR OWN CALENDAR, UM, TO BOOK TOURNAMENTS.
EACH COURSE, EACH COURSE HAS THEIR OWN, UM, CRM THAT BOOKS WHAT'S A CRM DON'T TALK, UH, CUSTOMER RELATION MANAGEMENT TOOL.
UM, IT'S LIKE A SALES BOOKING TOOL TO SHOW ON WHICH SPECIFIC DAY WHICH COURSES HAVE TERMINAL NON EVENT OR RIGHT
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NOW HOW IT WORKS, RIGHT.SOMETIMES THERE'S ONE COURSE AVAILABLE AND I'VE CLICKED ON IT AND IT'S NOT AVAILABLE.
WELL, I WOULD SAY, I WANNA SAY A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE TIMES, BUT 99% OF THE TIMES WE DO HAVE THAT COURSE AVAILABLE.
HOWEVER, IT PROBABLY GETS BOOKED PRIOR TO YOU GETTING ON THERE.
I DO IT FOUR TIMES A WEEK, 6:00 AM I CLICK MM-HMM
AND IF REC PARKS FOR THE ONE THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY TOURNAMENTS, I CLICK ON IT AND THERE'S NO RIGHT.
THERE'S NO TIMES, NO TIMES AVAILABLE.
SO I HEARD THAT FROM GARY AND WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, GENTLEMEN, I'M THERE AT 5 59, I CLICK AT SIX AND THE COURSE ISN UNAVAILABLE.
AND I'M LOOKING AT TWO TIMES BETWEEN 8, 7, 8, AND 11.
AND IT'S JUST AN OOPS, WE, WE TRY TO DO A REAL GOOD JOB OF MAKING SURE AT LEAST ONE COURSE IS OPEN AT ALL TIMES.
I I, AND THAT'S WHAT GARY SAID.
I APPRECIATE IT STILL, IT HAPPENS OCCASIONALLY, RIGHT? THAT'S ALL.
WHAT HAPPENS IS THE DEMAND IS STILL THERE AMONG THE THREE MAJOR COURSES.
THE RESIDENT CARDHOLDERS, THE PUBLIC, WHOEVER WANTS TO PLAY GOLF IN THE CITY OF LONG BEACH GOLF SYSTEM, UM, AMONG THE THREE COURSES NOW ONLY HAVE ONE COURSE TO CHOOSE FROM.
SO THE TRAFFIC FLOWS INTO THAT AND IT BECOMES A FIERCE COMPETITION TO BOOK A TEE TIME ON, ON THAT, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN TIMEFRAME BECAUSE NOW YOU ONLY HAVE ONE OPTION THREE.
WE TRY TO KEEP TWO COURSES OPEN.
UH, BUT 99% OF TIMES WE, WE DO NOT PUT ALL THREE COURSES AT THE SAME TIME.
AND YOU'RE RIGHT, MOST OF THE TIME YOU DON'T.
IF SOMEBODY'S GOTTA PLACE THAT BACK.
I MEAN, WE SHOULD BE FOLLOWING WHATEVER PROCEDURES, SO YOU KNOW THAT RIGHT? RIGHT.
WE, YEAH, I CAN PERSONALLY SEE IT, YOU KNOW, ALL THREE COURSES PLUS LAKEWOOD FOR WHAT WE HAVE GOING ON ON EACH DAY OF THE, OF THE WEEK.
AND, UH, WE, WE DO NOT LOOK ALL THREE OF THOSE.
WELL, LAKEWOOD'S NOT INVOLVED IN THE LONG COURSES.
BUT WE CAN ALSO SEE, 'CAUSE IF THEY ALSO HAVE ALTERNATIVE AND TWO OF OUR COURSES HAVE IT, THE DEMAND AROUND OUR AREA, WE'LL FOCUS ONTO ONE COURSE BECAUSE LAKE WAS SO CLOSE TO WHAT, UM, WHEN I CLICK AND THERE'S NO AVAILABLE TEE TIMES FOR FOUR OR FIVE HOURS, SOMETHING'S WRONG.
AND THEN I, THE NEXT DAY I CALL THAT GOLF COURSE AND HEY, DO YOU HAVE A TOURNAMENT ON THIS DAY? AND THE ANSWER IS YES, BUT IT WASN'T ON THAT CALENDAR THIS DAY.
THAT'S MORE THAN MY THREE MINUTES.
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, OU IT'S REALLY ANNOUNCEMENTS.
UM, OKAY WITH THAT, IF THERE'S NO OBJECTION, I'LL OFFICIALLY DECLARE THE MEETING ADJOURNED AT 3:31 PM PDT.