* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] OKAY. ALRIGHT. CALLING THE MEETING TO ORDER AT 3:09 PM UM, DO YOU WANNA DO A ROLL CALL? YES. SARAH BETTY. HERE. JULIE LEE. HERE. PAM . ABSENT. KIM KILLIAN. I'M SORRY. . DOUG KILLIAN. PRESENT. WE HAVE QUORA. SORRY ABOUT THAT. . UM, SO WE'LL START WITH ITEM ONE, WHICH IS RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR THE POLICY SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING OF MONDAY, JULY 7TH, 2020. THERE A MOTION. SO SECOND. ALRIGHT, ANY DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. UM, SECOND ITEM, RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE A DISCUSSION ON THE 2025 HOMELESS SERVICES ADVISORY COMMITTEE POLICY RECOMMENDATION TO THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. UM, IS THERE A MOTION? I MOVE. SECOND. ALRIGHT, UM, LET'S DISCUSS. SO I, I HAVE A FEW UPDATES AND, AND JULIE, YOU CAN, I DO JUST HAVE A QUESTION BECAUSE YOU ALL DID ALREADY DO THIS AT THE LAST PAY SECOND MEETING, RIGHT? YES. BUT NOW WE HAVE UPDATES. OUR UPDATES ARE FROM OUR MEETING. RIGHT. BUT THIS, THIS, THIS MOTION IS TO RECEIVE AND FILE A DISCUSSION. OH, A DISCUSSION. OKAY. WE'VE HAD THIS SECTION FOR FIVE MONTHS, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE POLICY. GOT IT. OKAY. IT'S KIND OF ONGOING THING, BUT WHICH WE MIGHT WRAP UP FOR NOW AFTER THIS MEETING AND WE'LL PROBABLY IMMEDIATELY LAUNCH INTO NEXT YEAR, SO. OKAY. GOT IT. YEAH. SO DOUG, WE DO HAVE AN UPDATE. UM, JULIE AND I MET WITH SOME MEMBERS OF THE MAYOR'S TEAM ON MONDAY BECAUSE THEY HAD WANTED TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT OUR POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS. OH MY GOODNESS. SO WE HAD MEETING WITH DON'T GET EXCITED. NO. WE HAD A MEETING WITH, UH, CONNOR LOCK AND PAUL LUNGES COUNTS HIS LAST NAME. OKAY. JEFF WILLIE. WELL, UH, AND, AND MONTSERRAT. AND, UM, SO WE KIND OF WENT OVER THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEY'RE NOT OFFICIALLY PUBLISHED YET, BUT THEY SAID WE COULD BRING ALONG A COPY, YOU KNOW, NOT EMAIL, BUT JUST TO SHARE A DRAFT WITH THEM AHEAD OF TIME. UM, AND SO WE JUST SHARED, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TWO, TWO MAIN PRIORITIES. IT'S INCREASED THE GOAL OF HOW MANY INDIVIDUALS ARE SHELTERED AND ALSO THIS PILOT REFRESH PROGRAM WITH HYGIENE. UM, AND THEY HAD, IT WAS A LONG DISCUSSION, IT WAS ALMOST AN HOUR. UM, BUT THEY BASICALLY, THEY PROVIDED US WITH SOME INFORMAL ADVICE ON HOW, ESPECIALLY THAT SECOND INITIATIVE MIGHT MOVE FORWARD. AND THEY SUGGESTED THAT IF, YOU KNOW, OUR COMMITTEE OR HAYSTACK MORE BROADLY IS WILLING TO KIND OF TAKE IT UP. THEY SAID THEIR SUGGESTIONS FOR, FOR MOVING THAT FORWARD, UM, WOULD BE A COUPLE OF THINGS THEY SAID FOR THE, THE REFRESH STATION. MAYBE BREAKING THAT OUT INTO PHASES AND SHARING THAT WITH THE, UM, ACTUALLY WITH THE HOMELESS SERVICES, YOU KNOW, STAFF AND SAYING, HEY, IF, IF THE FUNDING DOES COME ALONG THROUGH MEASURE A OR OTHER FUNDING SOURCES, YOU KNOW, THIS IS HOW IT WOULD LOOK TO PHASE THIS IN. AND WHETHER IT'S THE TRASH BINS OR THE TOILETS OR THE SHOWER SERVICES. MM-HMM . UM, THEY ALSO SAID THAT IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL JUST, YOU KNOW, SUPPORTING STAFF IN IMPLEMENTING THAT, THAT IF THERE WERE SOME LOCATIONS OR PARTNERS THAT WE ALREADY KNEW THAT WOULD SAY THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO HAVE EITHER THOSE TOILETS OR THAT, UM, SHOWER COME TO THEIR SPOT. AND SO I KIND OF SAID AT THAT POINT, WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S A, IT'S A PORTABLE SHOWER. LIKE WE'RE NOT TRYING TO PERMANENTLY INSTALL A SHOWER. BUT THEY SAID YES. BUT YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THERE'S PUSHBACK FOR PEOPLE WHO LIVE NEAR, UM, PLACES WHERE THOSE SERVICES ARE OFFERED. SO THEY SUGGESTED SEEING IF THERE'S ANY SERVICE PROVIDERS IN THE CITIES THAT WOULD KIND OF RAISE THEIR HAND AND SAY, WE WANT THE PORTABLE SHOWER TO COME TO EITHER OUR LOCATION OR WHERE WE OFFER SERVICES. UM, AND SAME WITH KIND OF THE TOILETS OR THE TRASH BEDS. JUST SO WE COULD OFFER SOME INITIAL PLACES WHERE THOSE THINGS WOULD BE . UM, AND SO WE SAID, OH, WELL MAYBE OUR HAY SACK REPRESENTATIVE TO THE COC COULD SIMPLY MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT WHILE THEY'RE THERE AT THE COC MEETING OF, HEY, THIS IS HAY SACK'S RECOMMENDATION. YOU ALL ARE PROVIDERS. JUST, YOU KNOW, NO DEALS ARE BEING DONE HERE, BUT WOULD YOU IN THEORY BE WILLING TO HOST A MOBILE SHOWER OR, YOU KNOW, TOILET LOCATION? SO JUST TO SEE IF WE HAVE SOME PROVIDERS THAT WOULD SAY, YEAH, WE'LL RAISE OUR HANDS FOR THAT. SO THE HOMELESS SERVICES, YOU KNOW, TEAM WOULD BE AWARE OF THAT. AND THEN WE, THEY ALSO ENCOURAGED US TO HAVE MEETINGS AS WE DID LAST YEAR WITH OUR MEMBERS, OUR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. AND THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD ALSO HELP HOMELESS SERVICES, UM, IF WE WERE ABLE TO SAY, HEY, MY COUNCIL MEMBER WANTS [00:05:01] A TOILET TO GO AT THIS LOCATION IN THE DISTRICT, OR MY COUNCIL MEMBER IS WILLING TO HAVE THE MOBILE SHOWER SERVICES THERE. SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE DOWNLOAD FOR DISCUSSION IN THIS MEETING. AND SINCE JULIE WAS PRESENT AT THE MEETING, JUST CURIOUS IF YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS OR FEEDBACK ON THAT? UM, NO, THAT WAS A VERY GOOD SUMMARY AND THE ONLY OTHER THING WAS THAT UM, WE DO HAVE AN POINT ORGANIZATION THAT WOULD PROVIDE A SHOWER TRAILER FOR A YEAR. IF WE WERE TO DO A PILOT, THEY SAID THEY WOULD PAY FOR IT FOR A YEAR. UM, AND SO THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING. UM, IT'S A PRIVATE RESIDENT, UH, IT'S A PERSON WHO OBVIOUSLY HAS MONEY AND, AND WANTED TO KNOW HOW THEY COULD HELP AND OH MY GOODNESS, ONE OF THE THINGS, UM, I'VE ALWAYS THROWN OUT THERE IS A REFRESH CENTER, UM, WHICH REQUIRES A SHOWER, . SO THIS PERSON ACKNOWLEDGED, OH, THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. SO HE IS WILLING TO FUND IT FOR A YEAR. HE ACTUALLY WAS EVEN WILLING TO HAVE, THEY HAVE THESE, UM, TRAILERS THAT HAVE A SHOWER AND A WASHER AND DRYER SO THAT THE PERSON TAKING A SHOWER COULD TAKE OFF HIS CLOTHES AND WASH THE CLOTHES AND OTHER THINGS. BUT IT'S A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED IF YOU DO IT IN ONE TRAILER. UM, JUST BECAUSE THEN YOU NEED, UM, YOU NEED THE TANK. THESE THINGS COME WITH THEIR OWN TANKS. SO YOU WOULD NEED A, A BIGGER TANK OF OF WATER AND SEWER DISCHARGE IF YOU HAD IT ALL IN ONE TRIP. BUT, UM, WE ALSO HAVE MANY ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE WILLING AND ABLE TO PROVIDE FRESH CLOTHES, YOU KNOW, NEW UNDERWEAR AND FRESH CLOTHES AND TELLS 'EM THINGS LIKE THAT. SO, UM, YEAH. BUT YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE JUST DETAILS. BUT I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA THAT WE ASK OUR COC REP AND JENNIFER JUST TOLD ME THEY'RE MEETING THE SAME DAY. WE ARE AT THE SAME TIME. NO, THEY ARE A LITTLE BIT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AT THE SAME TIME. YEAH. THAT'S WHY WE'RE GONNA MEET AT, UM, THE VILLAGES AT CABRILLO, UM, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE COC MEETING IS. AND SO, UM, WE CAN ASK WHO, PAT, RIGHT? MM-HMM . OR YOU CAN ASK PAT. THEIRS IS BEFORE. WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO EMAIL HER OUR REQUEST? 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE ALLOWED TO REACH OUT, SAY, HEY PAT, ASK THEM THIS. YEAH. WOULD YOU BE OKAY? YEAH. SHARE THIS? YEAH, I, I SAW TODD. YEAH. GOT SOME THOUGHTS. YEAH. AND, AND YOU ALL ARE FREE TO GO TO THE COC MEETING. WHAT TIME WAS IT? UM, I BELIEVE IT'S AT TWO 30. TWO 30 TO, YEAH, IT WAS AT 4 33. THREE 30, YEAH. TO FOUR, MAYBE FOUR 30. SO, UM, I'LL DOUBLE CHECK. SORRY. SO MANY MEETINGS ON THE SAME DAY. IT'S OKAY. I YOU SENT OUT SOMETHING, BUT ANYWAY, UM, YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. SO I THINK ALL OF THESE ARE GREAT. UM, I THINK IT, THE, WHAT WAS PROPOSED WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, WAS MULTIPLE, SO CERTAINLY PHASE ONE, PHASE ONE COULD LINK TO THIS GENEROUS DONOR. UM, I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT WOULD WORK. WOULD THAT GENERAL AND THAT STAFF OR OTHERS MIGHT HAVE TO HELP US, WOULD THAT BE A, A DIRECTED SPECIFIC DONATION TO THE MAYOR'S FUND, WHICH THEN WOULD FUND IT? HOW WOULD THE MONEY FLOW? OH, WELL I, HE'S A BUSINESS PERSON. HE'S, HE, HE WOULD PROBABLY JUST PAY FOR IT FOR A YEAR. WELL, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IF IT'S, YOU GET INTO LIABILITY, IS IT A CITY THING OR IS IT HIS THING? YEAH, IT, IT DEPENDS ON THE LOCATION. RIGHT. OKAY. BUT, SO I THINK THAT WOULD NEED TO BE WORKED OUT, ESPECIALLY IF CITY STAFF ARE WORKING THERE. IT WOULD BE, I MEAN, IN MY THINKING, IT WOULD BE NICE IF IT WAS SOMETHING THAT, IT COULD BE A DONATION THAT THE CITY WOULD DO. MM-HMM . SO IT'S UNDER THEIR MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, IT'S SORT OF WHAT WE ENVISIONED. IT JUST HAS A LITTLE MONEY BOOST FOR THAT MM-HMM . SO I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S GREAT. NOW THE, THE, UH, IN, IN TERMS OF THE NOTION OF WHERE TO DO IT, THAT I DON'T SEE, I, I DON'T HAVE A SENSE OF WHERE THIS MIGHT BE, WHEREAS I THINK OTHERS, YOU, YOU ALL, JULIE, YOU MAY, AND YOU, I THINK YOU'VE SPOKEN TO IT, YOU HAVE SOME SPECIFIC AREAS IN MIND AND UM, IT WOULD SEEM THAT, AND I SAW PAUL HERE, SO I WAS THINKING IF PAUL WAS HERE, WE COULD HAVE A DISCUSSION AROUND WHAT WOULD BE [00:10:01] A COUPLE, WHAT WOULD BE THE, THE TOP AREA THAT HE MIGHT RECOMMEND. WHAT WOULD IT BE? LIKE? IS IT IN A PARK? IS IT IN A, WHERE IS IT? THERE MIGHT BE TWO OR THREE LOCATIONS AND ONE OF THOSE MIGHT HAVE MORE FEASIBILITY BECAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, YOU THINK IT MIGHT HAVE A BETTER SUCCESS RATE OF BEING APPROVED. AND SO THAT WOULD BE AN INTERESTING DISCUSSION TO SEE IF THESE, I DON'T HAVE ANY SENSE OF WHERE THIS MIGHT GO. AND I THINK IN ORDER TO MAKE IT FLY, PAUL WOULD, PAUL AND HIS TEAM WOULD, THE TEAM WOULD HAVE TO BE REALLY ON BOARD WITH IT. YEAH. SO YEAH. WHERE DO, WHERE WOULD WE DO THIS? LET'S TALK ABOUT A COUPLE OPTIONS NOW. THIS IS HOW WE WOULD BE DONE AND SOME SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO GET SUPPORT. WHAT MIGHT BE THE TOP LOCATION THAT WE WOULD THEN PROMOTE FOR THE FIRST, AND THEN IF THERE'S MORE FUNDS, WHAT WOULD BE LOCATION NUMBER TWO, YOU KNOW, AND PHASE ONE, PHASE TWO. SO I'M, I LIKE IT. YEAH. AND WE DID PUSH BACK A LITTLE. 'CAUSE WHEN THEY SAID, OH, WELL WHERE WOULD YOU DO ALL THIS? WHERE WOULD YOU, AND WE SAID, WELL, WE REALLY THINK THE HOMELESS SERVICES TEAM HAS THAT DATA. YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE KIND OF CALLS AND THEY KNOW WHERE SERVICES ARE GOING. WE DON'T HAVE THAT DATA. THEY, SO WE WOULD SAY, YEAH, PUT IT WHERE IT'S NEEDED. YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT EXPERTS ON THAT. SO, BUT THEY SAID IT MIGHT HELP POLITICALLY BECAUSE THERE'S SOMETIMES NEIGHBORHOOD PUSHBACK OR LANDOWNER MIGHT NOT BE WILLING TO COOPERATE. SO THEY SAID IT MIGHT BE GOOD. JUST ASK THE COC, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO HAVE ONE OF THESE TOILETS ON YOUR LAND? OR WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO HAVE THE, THE SHOWER PARK WHERE YOU ARE? 'CAUSE THEN YOU KNOW THAT THE PEOPLE WHO OWN THE LAND OR ARE AROUND IT, WOULD BE POLITICALLY ON BOARD WITH DOING IT. SO. SO MY ONLY COMMENT AROUND THAT IS I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. BUT PART OF MY PROBLEM IS I HAVE NO VISUALIZATION OF WHERE THESE LOCATIONS ARE. AND UH, IF I HAD A COUPLE SITES WHERE, YOU KNOW, I COULD LOOK, OH, THIS IS BY THE PARK AND THIS IS OVER HERE, YOU KNOW, OR NO, THIS IS IN FRONT OF A CERTAIN BUSINESS OR YOU KNOW, BY A SCHOOL OR SOMETHING. SO I THINK PEOPLE IN KIND OF GENERAL DISCUSSIONS MIGHT STRUGGLE WITH THAT, NOT KNOWING KIND OF WHERE THIS WOULD BE. MM-HMM . AND SO IF YOU HAD A FEW PLACES TO RECOMMEND, RECOMMEND IT MIGHT HELP YOU GAIN TRACTION. MM-HMM . I MEAN, UM, MY THING IS ALWAYS MEET THEM WHERE THEY ARE. RIGHT. AND THAT ISN'T A MYSTERY. AND AS SARAH CAN TELL YOU I BROUGHT UP IS THAT THE LIBRARY AREA AND GENERALLY THE CITY CIVIC CENTER AREA, UM, IS A HOMELESS HOTSPOT. 'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS IN AND AROUND THE LIBRARY BECAUSE THEY CAN USE THE RESTROOMS THERE. UM, SO, AND, AND RIGHT NOW THERE'S A LOT OF OPEN SPACE BY CITY HALL THAT YOU COULD TECHNICALLY PUT A FENCE AROUND. UM, AND UM, IT'S NOT, I KNOW IT SOUNDS WEIRD TO US, BUT I'VE BEEN TO TORRANCE WHERE THEIR TINY HOME VILLAGE IS IN THE CIVIC CENTER. IT'S NECK. IT'S BETWEEN CITY HALL AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. BUT WITH A FENCE AROUND IT. YOU COULDN'T TELL UNLESS YOU COULD HOP THAT FENCE. UM, IT'S AMAZING WHAT THE CITY CAN DO. UM, AND SO, UM, IF IT'S CITY, PROPERTY, CITY CAN MAKE A DECISION TOO. AND YOU KNOW, OUR OLD CITY HALL, EVEN THOUGH IT'S SLATED FOR THINK IT'S DEVELOPMENT, IT'S STILL A BIG HOLE IN THE GROUND. SO IT HAS QUITE A LOT OF, BUT ANYWAY, LIKE SARAH SAID, THE CITY STAFF CAN CERTAINLY, UH, FIGURE IT OUT. CHIME IN OUT. YEAH. THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, TIME LIMITED. IF, IF THERE'S NERVOUSNESS ABOUT IT, LET'S, LET'S DO IT FOR THREE MONTHS. YOU KNOW, LET'S DO IT FOR SIX MONTHS. YOU KNOW, LET'S DO IT FOR A PERIOD. A PILOT. YEAH. PILOT ASSESS IT AND THEN LET'S GET PEOPLE TOGETHER TO FIND OUT WHAT WORKED AND WHAT DIDN'T WORK AND THEN KEEP IT GOING OR CHANGE IT OR WHATEVER. SO IT COULD BE CREATED. SO IT'S THE LOWEST IMPACT. AND I THINK WHAT WE CAN DO IS, AS A PILOT, THAT SAME SCRIPT THAT WE GIVE TO PAT TO SHARE WITH THE COC OF, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO HAVE A TOILET OR THE SHOWER FOR A PILOT, YOU KNOW, NEAR YOUR PROPERTY? I THINK THAT'S THE SAME SCRIPT WE GIVE HAYSTACK MEMBERS TO TAKE TO THEIR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. AND THEN THEY MEET WITH THEIR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND SAY, HEY, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THIS. IS THERE A SPOT IN YOUR DISTRICT OR THAT YOU THINK WOULD REALLY MEET THE NEED? WELL, BUT SEE, AGAIN, I'M NOT SURE HOW KNOWLEDGEABLE PEOPLE ARE, ARE ABOUT THESE SPOTS. I THINK IF WE, IF WE HAD SOME WE COULD RECOMMEND, WELL THE CITY COUNCIL PEOPLE WOULD BE KNOWLEDGEABLE 'CAUSE THEY GET [00:15:01] CALLS. NO, NO, NO. I MEAN I'M, I MEAN, YES, BUT HOW DO YOU PRIORITIZE? AND SO DO YOU PUT IT HERE? DO YOU PUT IT THERE YOU WOULD WANT? I THINK WHERE THERE'S LARGER NUMBERS MM-HMM . MORE NEED. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE ARE A COUPLE AREAS THAT FIT THAT BILL. IF ONE OF THOSE WAS IN MY DISTRICT, I WOULD DEFINITELY TALK. IF IT'S NOT IN MY DISTRICT, THEN I MAY NOT. UM, BUT YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT ENCOURAGE THE ONE WHOSE DISTRICT IT IS TO DO THAT, BUT JUST KIND OF NOT KNOWING IT, IT'S NEVER NOT HAVING A SENSE OF WHERE THESE MIGHT BE. YEAH. MAKES IT HARD TO MOVE FORWARD FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. SO JENNIFER, DO YOU THINK, UM, KIND OF PAUL AND OTHERS WOULD BE WILLING TO PUT FORTH LIKE, HEY, HERE ARE THE AREAS WE THINK THIS MIGHT BE MOST NEEDED SO THAT HAYSTACK MEMBERS CAN TALK WITH THEIR CITY COUNCILS MEMBERS AND SAY, HEY, THIS ISN'T OUR DISTRICT. OR SHOULD, OR WOULD IT BE MORE HELPFUL TO DO IT THE OTHER WAY AROUND WHERE WE ASK CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, HEY, IS THERE A SPOT YOU WOULD OFFER? AND THEN THAT GOES TO HOMELESS SERVICES AND STAFF CAN SAY, YEAH, WE NEED ONE THERE, OR NO, DON'T, I CAN CHECK WITH PAUL MM-HMM . AND I CAN EMAIL YOU TO SEE WHAT HE WOULD THINK. UM, AND THEN THAT WAY IF HE THINKS IT'S CHECK WITH COUNSEL FIRST, THEN MAYBE WE GO THAT ROUTE. UM, BUT I THINK IT MIGHT BE, IT MIGHT BE INFORMATION THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET FOR YOU GUYS BECAUSE I, I KNOW HE SAID THEY'RE A LITTLE SENSITIVE ABOUT DISCLOSING EXACT ENCAMPMENTS AND THINGS JUST 'CAUSE THEY WANT TO DRAW I OR, YOU KNOW, BUT IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO KNOW WHAT AREAS NEED THE MOST SUPPORT. YEAH. YEAH. I'LL, I'LL CHECK WITH HIM. AND FROM MY ME, I'M NOT A, YOU KNOW, I GOT A LOT OF STUFF SO MEMORY. SO IT WOULD BE HELP ME TO START EVEN GETTING THE NAMES OF THESE POSSIBLE LOCATIONS ON PAPER. SO, UH, THIS IS, I THINK THAT THE, UM, THE LIBRARY AREA IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD, THESE ARE POSSIBLE BRAINSTORMING. MM-HMM . ONE LIBRARY AND I'VE HEARD A COUPLE OTHER LOCATIONS. WHAT ARE THOSE OTHER, IF WE COULD GET A COUPLE LOCATIONS DOWN THAT WE COULD BECOME FAMILIAR WITH, TALK TO PAUL AND KIND OF KEEP THE DISCUSSION GOING. NO, WE'RE GETTING RID OF THAT ONE. YES. THIS ONE'S RISING TO THE TOP, YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN JUST SO THE, THE LIBRARY. DO WE KNOW OF A COUPLE OTHER POTENTIAL? YEAH. SO, UM, WHAT WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT, UM, SARAH, WAS THAT, UM, THE CITY HAS ITS MAC VAN, WHICH IS THE MOBILE MSC. AND THAT GOES INTO THAT, THOSE TWO VANS GO TO DIFFERENT PLACES MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY. AND THOSE ARE TECHNICALLY SUPPOSED TO BE AREAS THAT HAVE, SO A MAC VAN RIGHT. LOCATION. SO, SO WHAT WE WERE THINKING WAS, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE IF WE WERE GONNA DO A PILOT PROGRAM TO HAVE THE SHOWER TRUCK TRUCK BE ACCOMPANIED BY A MATH VAN SO THAT THE STAFF CAN OFFER RESOURCES TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GETTING CLEAN. I THINK THAT'S A, THAT WOULD BE A GREAT WAY TO COORDINATE IT. SO, AND IT COULD BE OF THEIR EXISTING STOPS THAT'S ON THE WEBSITE. THE THE, THE MATH VAN SCHEDULE IS ON, IS ON THE CITY WEBSITE. I, I DUNNO. I LIKE THAT. YEAH. SO WE THOUGHT THAT, AND, AND WHAT WE HAVE TO REMEMBER, I HOPE THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THESE SANITATION REFRESH FACILITIES IS WE'RE OFFERING A SOLUTION BECAUSE WE WANT TO IMPROVE THE CONDITIONS THAT WE SEE DAY IN AND DAY OUT. MM-HMM . WHICH IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. I MEAN, I, YEAH. ANYWAY, SO IT NEEDS TO BE PRESENTED AS A HUMANE SOLUTION, WHICH IS TO PROVIDE PEOPLE WITH TOILETS AND SHOWERS. UM, SO THAT THEY, AND, AND WE STRESSED WITH THE MAYOR STAFF IS THAT WE ALL WANT CLEAN COMMUNITY. NOBODY WANTS HUMAN WASTE IN THEIR COMMUNITY. WE ARE TRYING TO ADDRESS THAT. AND IT'S NOT HEALTHY FOR THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO ACCESS TO SANITATION FACILITIES. SO THIS NEEDS TO BE PRESENTED AS A SOLUTION FOR EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY. YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A, THIS SHOULD NOT BE A CANDIDATE FOR NIMBYISM. THIS SHOULD BE, PEOPLE SHOULD BE FIGHTING FOR THESE FACILITIES SO THEY CAN HAVE IMPROVED CONDITIONS IN THEIR COMMUNITIES. 'CAUSE I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT HUMAN WASTE IN THEIR ALLEYS OR IN THEIR PROPERTIES OR WHATEVER. SO, [00:20:01] UM, YEAH, PEOPLE SHOULD BE WANTING THESE THINGS. SO IN, WHEN WE, WHEN THE FOLLOW UP WITH PAUL OCCURS, WE'LL MENTION THE MCMAN STOPS THE LIBRARY AS POSSIBLE. MM-HMM . THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD START TO ME. ARE THERE ANY OTHER LOCATIONS YOU MIGHT THROW OUT THERE? THERE ARE A LOT. YEAH. THAT'S A LOT. THAT'S A LOT. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD GIVE HIM SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT AS SPECIFIC LOCATIONS AND, UH, OH YEAH. THIS IS THE PLACE WHERE WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE AND THE MAC VAN GOES THERE AND IT, AND WE COULD, I COULD SEE IT FITTING RIGHT THERE. YOU WOULD THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT THE TEAM, THAT THE STAFF COULD POTENTIALLY HELP SELECT THE LOCATION. YEAH. AND WHEN WE SAY LIBRARY, WE DON'T EXACTLY. I DON'T, I DON'T MEAN THE LIBRARY. I KNOW DOWN IN THAT AREA THAT, THAT CENTRAL DOWNTOWN AREA WHERE WE KNOW THAT THERE'S A HIGH CONCENTRATION OF PEOPLE LIVING OUTDOORS. THE CENTRAL DOWNTOWN WAS FINE, NOT THE LIBRARY. YEAH. THAT'S A, WE WANT THEM TO MOVE AWAY FROM THE LIBRARY SO THE CHILDREN CAN USE THE LIBRARY. RIGHT. CENTRAL, DOWNTOWN. YEAH. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. SO FOR THE NEXT STEPS, I'LL WRITE UP SOMETHING VERY BRIEF FOR PAT AND FOR EACH HAYSTACK MEMBER. SO CAN BE INCLUDED WITH A MEETING PACKETS, UM, JUST SAYING, HEY, HERE'S WHAT TO SHARE. UM, JENNIFER, DO YOU HAVE AN UPDATE? I KNOW THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY APPROVED OUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS FOR IT? GONNA THE MAYOR IN CITY COUNCIL? UM, SO THE NEXT STEPS, I WOULD SEND IT OUT TO CITY CLERK'S OFFICE. UM, DID YOU GET A CHANCE TO READ PAUL'S EMAIL THOUGH ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM CITY MANAGER? MM-HMM. OKAY. LET ME JUST PULL IT DOWN. I THINK THAT CAME THROUGH THIS MORNING. YEAH. WELL THIS IS GOOD. THIS IS ABOUT THE SORT OF THE WORKFLOW OF WHO APPROVES AND HOW IT GETS AND IS IT AT THE COUNCIL MEETING OR IS IT BY EMAIL? IF WANT CAN READ, THIS IS HOW I CURRENTLY READ AND THIS IS WHAT CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE PROPOSED, UM, FOR I'LL, YEAH, LET'S LOOK. WE MIGHT HAVE OH, THANK YOU. THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY THAT HE, BUT IT HASN'T GONE TO THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL? NO, IT HASN'T. BUT IT HAS, IT, IT HAS. I GUESS WE COULD DO IT AS AN AMENDMENT YEAH. AT OUR MEETING NEXT WEEK. SO WE SHOULD GET AGENDA, BUT IT CAN'T BE, SO WE DON'T HAVE, WE WOULDN'T, I TALKED TO PAUL AND I ASKED IF WE WOULD HAVE TO, UH, SEND IT BACK FOR ANOTHER APPROVAL AT ASSEC AND HE SAID WE, WE DON'T HAVE TO BECAUSE IT'S NOT, WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE RECOMMENDATION. IT'S MORE OF THE LANGUAGE AROUND IT. UM, BUT IF YOU GUYS FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE GOING BACK TO THE WHOLE COMMITTEE, THEN WE CAN ALSO DO THAT. I GUESS I'M JUST NOT REALLY SURE WHY WE NEED TO DO THIS, BUT, UM, DID, UM, DID JENNIFER MM-HMM . OH, I THINK IT'S BECAUSE THEY WANT US TO REFLECT WHAT THE CITY HAS DONE. THE CITY OF LONG BEACH HAS CREATED 300. CORRECT. I KNOW, BUT THIS, OKAY, THIS IS WHY I HAVE A, I HAVE A PRINCIPAL PROBLEM HERE. THIS IS THE DOCUMENT FROM THE HOMELESS SERVICES ADVISORY COMMITTEE. WE ARE JUST A, A GROUP OF VOLUNTEERS WHO ARE PUT TOGETHER BY THE MAYOR TO REVIEW AND, AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS. WE ARE NOT HERE TO, TO HAVE THIS STATEMENT. I MEAN, I JUST DON'T SEE HOW THAT YEAH. IS NECESSARY. IT, IT ACTUALLY, I FIND IT OFFENSIVE THAT, THAT THAT LITTLE STATEMENT MEANS THAT MUCH TO THE CITY MANAGER. YEAH. THAT, THAT ISN'T WHAT THIS DOCUMENT IS. HE DOESN'T HAVE TO OWN ANY OF IT. IT'S FROM THE HOMELESS SERVICES ADVISORY COMMITTEE. HE JUST NEEDS TO PASS IT ON. DOUG, YOU ALSO HAD SOME, WELL, I CAN TELL YOU, UM, THE CURRENT READING PART OF THE CHALLENGE WITH THIS, WE ARE VERY INFORMED, WE KNOW ABOUT EIGHT 2018, THIS HISTORY, THE NUMBERS. BUT THAT WAS EIGHT YEARS AGO OR, UH, 6, 7, 8. I MEAN, AND THE WORLD HAS CHANGED. SO DO WE EVEN NEED TO SAY ANY OF THE DETAILS OTHER THAN JUST THE FIRST SENTENCE, THIS RECOMMENDATION IS IN LINE WITH THE PRIORITIES OF THE CITY'S LAST STRATEGIC PLAN TO REDUCE HOMELESSNESS. PERIOD. I THINK IT'S, ONCE YOU GET INTO THE NUMBERS, THEN YOU GET, IT'S UNDER A RECOMMENDATION. [00:25:01] COULD WE JUST, MY RECOMMENDATION IS COULD WE JUST REDUCE IT TO THAT FIRST SENTENCE AND SAY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS IN LINE WITH THE STRATEGIC PLAN. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT FIRST RECOMMENDATION. UM, UM, DOUG, I'M OKAY WITH THAT. YEAH. 'CAUSE IT DOES, I GUESS IT DOES, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT NUMBERS, THEN IT NATURALLY RAISES THE QUESTION, OH, WHAT HAS BEEN DONE? THEY HAVE DONE. YEAH. AND WE DON'T WANT TO, IT'S NOT TO NEGATE THAT, WHAT I THINK, WHAT I FEEL IS THERE'S 1600 ON A WAIT LIST. THAT'S A REAL TODAY NUMBER. AND THIS, THESE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE GENERALLY IN LINE WITH THE STRATEGIC PLAN. SO WE'RE ALIGNED WITH THEM MM-HMM . AND THEY MAKE SENSE. OKAY. NOW THE, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBERS AND PHASING AND ALL THAT. I GUESS WHAT, WHAT YOU, WE WERE TRYING TO DO IS JUST EXPAND ON THIS EVERYONE HOME DOCUMENT THAT NOBODY KNOWS ABOUT. RIGHT. WHICH IS, THAT'S GOING CON I THINK THAT'S GONNA CONFUSE HER RATHER THAN, WELL, WE COULD JUST SAY EVERYONE HOME 2028, WHICH IS THE CITY'S LAST HOME, WE COULD ADD JUST, UH, A CLARIFIER SO THAT IT DOES, I MEAN, I'M, I'M FINE DELETING THAT SECOND SENTENCE IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANNA DO, BUT MAYBE OKAY. OR, OR NOT JUST, YEAH, LET'S JUST DELETE THAT THESE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE WITHIN THE, THEY'RE THE PRIORITIES THAT THE CITY HAS IN THEIR STRATEGIC PLAN THAT WAS SET AN 18. OKAY. OKAY. LET'S JUST, LET'S, YEAH. I, INSTEAD OF ADDING THAT, I WOULD RATHER DO WHAT YOU SAY, WHICH IS CROSS OUT THE SECOND SENTENCE. MM-HMM . OKAY. AND THEN I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO PUT ANY OF THIS PROPOSED. 'CAUSE I THINK THE PROPOSED IS IN RESPONSE TO YEAH, EXACTLY. GETTING INTO THE NUMBERS AND THAT, AND THAT'S NOT THE, THAT IS NOT THE INTENT OF THIS DOCUMENT. YEAH. I MEAN THE CITY HAS DONE THINGS AND THAT'S GREAT, BUT WE STILL HAVE A BIG PROBLEM. RIGHT, EXACTLY. OKAY. SO YOU WOULD ONLY WANT TO KEEP THAT FIRST SENTENCE AND RIGHT. THE REST WOULD BE REMOVED. YEAH. THEY'RE SAYING JUST KIND OF THROW OUT ALL THE NUMBERS SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO SAY, WELL, THIS AND THIS, WE KNOW EIGHT YEARS AGO THE RECOMMENDATION IS IN LINE WITH THE EVERYONE HOME 2018 PERIOD. AND THEN GET RID OF THE SENTENCE AFTER THAT, THAT PLAN, GET RID OF THAT SENTENCE AND IT'S NOT NEEDED. AND UH, THEN THE REST I THINK IS FINE. YEP. AND I THINK THIS RESPONSE IS RELATED TO THE SECOND SENTENCE. YEAH. OBVIOUSLY IT IS. AND PLUS, YEAH, IF WE DO THAT, THEN I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE AND WE CAN JUST MOVE IT FORWARD. I CAN BRING THAT BACK TO PAUL. YEAH, I DO, I DO TOO. I MEAN, IT CONFUSES ME WHEN I, WHEN I LIVE IN THIS 2018 WORLD, THE NUMBERS WERE ALL DIFFERENT. THE STRATEGIC PLAN WAS VERY GOOD, BUT THE NUMBERS WERE ALL DIFFERENT AND THE CHALLENGES WERE IN A DIFFERENT WAY. NOW THE CHALLENGES ARE DIFFERENT AND THE NUMBERS AND THE ECONOMICS IS DIFFERENT AND THE ECONOMICS IS DIFFERENT. COVID AND EVERYTHING HAS CHANGED. SO IT'S REALLY, IT'S REALLY THAT THE, THE INITIATIVES FROM THE STRATEGIC PLANS ARE GOOD ONES. RIGHT. BUT THE NUMBERS AND THE TARGETS KEEP CHANGING. YOU HAVE TO START OVER. YEAH. YEP. SO THERE'S NO RELEVANCE TO IT. YOU'RE RIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. SO WE'LL JUST STRIKE THAT SECOND SENTENCE IN THE PARAGRAPH AND THEN IT COULD PROBABLY JUST BE ONE PARAGRAPH, PARAGRAPH. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. JUST ADD IT TO THAT SEC. MM-HMM . OKAY. YEAH. YEAH. YEP. AND I DO THINK, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS IS EVER DONE, BUT IF THE CITY KIND OF WANTS TO PUT A COVER PAGE ON IT OR SOMETHING AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE'VE DONE, THESE ARE THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS, OF COURSE. YOU KNOW, BUT YEAH. WELL THAT'S FINE. WELL, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN ADVOCATING FOR, TRYING TO GET TRACKED AND TRENDED DATA. I MEAN, THERE HAS BEEN AN ADDITION OF BEDS, BUT I CAN'T KEEP TRACK OF WHEN AND WHERE THEY WERE AS WELL AS THE HOMELESS NUMBERS. THEY'RE LIKE, THERE'S SO MUCH STUFF. SO WHY CAN'T WE KEEP TRACK OF THE HOMELESS BEDS UNDER CITY? OKAY. AND KEEP BACK TRACK OF THE WAIT LIST AND SEE IF WE CAN GET THE WAIT LIST DOWN AND GET THE NUMBER OF BEDS UP THAT MM-HMM . IT'S KIND OF CAUSE AND EFFECT AND ALL THE OTHER NUMBERS ARE GET, IT GETS REALLY CONFUSING. YEAH, I'VE SAID THAT ENOUGH. OKAY. UM, WELL THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR SENDING THAT BACK AND SEEING IF THAT'S GONNA WORK. YEAH. YEAH. AND THEN, UM, DOUG BROUGHT IT TO OUR ATTENTION THAT A LOCAL, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A NEWSPAPER, IT'S A LONG BEACH BUSINESS JOURNAL. IT'S [00:30:01] A BUSINESS JOURNAL. YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS ANYMORE? I'VE NOT READ IT IN A LONG TIME, BUT, UM. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.