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YOU'RE GOOD TO GO, SARAH.UM, LET'S CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER AT 2 0 2, UH, PM AND WE'LL DO THE ROLL CALL.
UM, AND PAM HAS STEPPED DOWN FROM THE SUBCOMMITTEE, SO SHE IS ABSENT FOR TODAY, BUT STEPPING DOWN, UM, WE HAVE COURT.
UM, THE FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS THE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR THE POLICY SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 22ND AND 2025.
UM, IS THERE A MOTION? SO MOVED.
ANY DISCUSSION? SHOULD WE TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE ITEM? UM, YES.
ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WISH TO SPEAK? SEE NONE.
ITEM NUMBER TWO IS THE RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE A DISCUSSION ON THE 2025 HOMELESS SERVICES ADVISORY COMMITTEE, POLICY RECOMMENDATION TO THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.
SO I HAVE SOME ITEMS, BUT TO DO YOU ALL HAVE SOME ITEMS IN THIS? WELL, UH, WHILE FOLKS ARE THINKING, I, I HAVEN'T SEEN THIS FORMAT, MAYBE BECAUSE I HAVEN'T BEEN LOOKING, BUT I LIKE THE FACT THAT IT HAS THE YEARS POINT AND COUNT TYPE AND THE ACTUAL BEDS.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DATA.
THE, THE COUNTS GETTING BIGGER.
THERE'S MORE SHELTER BEDS, BUT IT STILL FALLS WELL SHORT OF THE NEED.
AND, UM, WELL, I GUESS, UH, I ALSO APPRECIATE THE DATA PRESENTATION.
I GUESS I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, UH, JUST A LITTLE MORE DETAIL OF, I KNOW WHAT THE THREE 10 IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT FACILITIES THOSE ARE, BUT THE, UM, THE CHANGING HUD, UM, NUMBERS.
I WOULD SORT OF LIKE TO SEE WHAT THAT IS.
YOU KNOW, JENNIFER, WHERE ARE YOU SEEING THAT? JULIE? THIS FIRST TABLE.
UM, SO IT STARTS FROM SIX 14 AND ENDS IN 1187.
UM, I, I WOULD LIKE TO, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE ARE FUNDED BEDS, I ASSUME THEY'RE FUNDED BEDS RIGHT.
AND SO I'M NOT CLEAR AS TO IF, IF THOSE ARE, UM, SOBER.
ARE THEY, UM, SOME OF THE OTHER COLORFUL HOUSING WE HAVE, UM, IN OUR TOWN.
I'D HAVE TO CHECK WITH PAUL ON THAT.
HE WON'T BE ABLE TO MAKE THE MEETING, BUT I CAN HAVE GET CLARIFICATION ON THAT.
IT'S, IT, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF DATA OUT THERE AND IT'S HARD TO KNOW WHAT'S IN DIFFERENT ACCOUNTS.
AND SO AS MUCH AS WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS HUO HUD REPORTED SHELTER BED PIECES ARE MM-HMM
AND DO THEY INCLUDE THE CITY OWNED BEDS OR NOT? THAT'S ANOTHER, NO, THAT'S WHAT THE LAST COLUMN CITY OWNED THAT ON THE FARM.
BUT HUD, BUT I DON'T THINK, DOES HUD REPORT ALSO THE CITY OWNED? OH, YEAH.
IS THE, UM, JENNIFER IS THREE 10 PART OF THE 1083 OR IS THREE 10 OUTSIDE OF THAT? I THINK IT'S PART OF THE 1 1 8 7, BUT I MAY BE WRONG.
AND THEN EVEN THE TEMPORARY SEASONAL ONES.
'CAUSE UH, 'CAUSE USUALLY OUR, OUR WINTER SHELTER COUNT IS MORE CLOSER TO 40 OR 60 OR MAYBE.
I THINK THOSE ARE THE BAG BOND THAT 25.
I CAN GET CLARIFICATION ON THAT TOO, TO SEE IF THE TOTAL INCLUDES FROM HUD INCLUDES THE CITY OWNED BEDS MM-HMM
AND THEN WHAT THE TEMPORARY SEASONAL BEDS ARE BESIDES THE WINTER SHELTER.
UM, WHAT STOOD OUT TO ME ABOUT THE CITY COVER MEMO AND THAT YOU HIGHLIGHTED, UM, JULIE, IS THAT THE CITY HAS MOVED FORWARD WITH PROCURING A SHOWER TRUCK AND
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YES.AND SO HERE'S ACTUALLY APPROVAL TO HERE IS ACTUALLY TURN, WENT TO CITY COUNCIL ON OCTOBER 7TH.
THIS IS THE RECOMMENDATION FROM IT WAS APPROVED, THE DEPARTMENT.
AND, UM, YEAH, IT WAS APPROVED AND I THINK IT WAS 87,000.
AND WE, WE ASSUME THIS HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND THIS WOULD BE NEXT STEPS YOU CAN SEE IN THE MEMO, UM, FROM THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE THAT THEY THINK THINGS LIKE, UM, TRANSPORTATION STAFFING AND GRAY WATER DISPOSAL WILL END UP FOR THE TOTAL COST BEING MORE THAN A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS SINCE, UH, PURCHASING THE SHOWER TRUCK WAS $87,000.
BUT THE CITY HAS MADE THIS COMMITMENT TO PURCHASING A SHOWER TRUCKS.
UM, AND SO REALLY EXCITED AND JUST SEE THAT, THAT THAT RECOMMENDATION OR THAT INTENTION WAS THE SAME.
AND, UH, THIS HAS BEEN MOVED FORWARD.
AND I ASSUME PROCURING THE SHOWER MEANS THERE'S ALSO A COMMITMENT TO, TO STAFF IT.
AND SO I I THOUGHT THAT WAS, UH, GREAT.
AND THEN, SO MAYBE IF WE CAN HAVE THAT AS PART OF THE STAFF UPDATE AT OUR, UM, THIS IS GREAT GENERAL MEETING.
THE, THE PROGRESS ON, UM, PURCHASE AND DELIVERY OF THE SENT SHOWER TRUCK.
AND JOSEPH AND JENNIFER, DO YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION? 'CAUSE THE, THE LAST UPDATE WE RECEIVED FROM STAFF WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, CHECK WITH THE CONTINUUM OF CARE TO SEE IF ANY OF THE PROVIDERS THERE MIGHT BE WILLING TO HAVE IT COME TO THEIR FACILITY.
UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY UPDATES OF, YOU KNOW, HAS A PLACE BEEN IDENTIFIED OR ARE THOSE LOGISTICS COMING TOGETHER? OR IS IT STILL A BIG QUESTION MARK? UM, AS OF RIGHT NOW, IT'S STILL A QUESTION MARK.
WE HAVEN'T HAD ANYBODY REACH OUT.
UM, AND I'M NOT SURE, MAYBE I CAN TALK TO PAT TO SEE IF ANYBODY'S REACHED OUT TO HER.
UM, BUT SHE HASN'T MENTIONED ANYTHING EITHER.
SO, UM, DO, DO STAFF IN THE DEPARTMENT FEEL LIKE, YEAH, WE HAVE PLACES IDENTIFIED THAT THIS SHOWER TRUCK CAN GO SINCE, SINCE IT'S BEING PURCHASED.
I ASSUME THAT THERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE IDEA THAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE PLACES THAT IT CAN GO TO OFFER SERVICES.
IS THAT, DOES THAT FEEL LIKE IT, IT'S COMING TOGETHER TO THE BEST OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE OR? UM, I WOULD ASSUME YES, BUT I HAVEN'T CONNECTED WITH PAUL IN REGARDS TO THAT.
SO MAYBE HE SHOULD PRESENT IT.
I, I THINK THAT I, I THINK IT WAS MENTIONED IN HERE THAT IT MIGHT BE, UM, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE MATH VAN, THAT IT WOULD POSSIBLY, I MEAN, IT'S BE HAULED BY DOES MAKE SENSE THAT IT WOULD, UM, BE WITH THE MATH VAN.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S IN THE MEMO OR IF IN THE, IF IT, IF IT WAS IN THE ATTACHMENT TO OUR MEMO.
AND WE THINK IT'S GOING TO BE GREAT SERVICE.
SEE IF THERE'S ANY WAY WE CAN SUPPORT, AS, YOU KNOW, IMPLEMENTATION COMES INTO EFFECT.
SO REALLY, REALLY EXCITED TO SEE HOW IT'S, YEAH.
I'M CURIOUS HOW IT'S GONNA BE USED AND YOU KNOW, WHERE IT MIGHT BE GOING.
AND IS IT, WHAT ARE THE HOURS OF OPERATION? IS IT ALL DAY? YOU KNOW, I ASSUME THERE HAS TO BE A LEVEL OF STAFFING MM-HMM
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, HOW WILL THAT WORK OUT? AND I, I THINK THE QUESTION IS A BIT IMPORTANT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, OUR LOCATION'S PINNED DOWN 'CAUSE WE ARE ASKING HAY SAC MEMBERS TO GO SHARE THESE RECOMMENDATIONS WITH CITY COUNCIL.
AND SO, UM, IT WOULD BE GOOD TO KNOW, SHOULD WE SAY, ASK YOUR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, YOU KNOW, ABOUT THESE SPECIFIC LOCATIONS WHERE THERE'S ENCAMPMENTS, YOU KNOW, IN YOUR DISTRICT AND IF THEY, IF THEY WOULD SUPPORT THE SHOWER TRUCK GOING THERE OR NOT.
SO WE JUST NEED TO KNOW IF, IF WE NEED TO ASK THAT QUESTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
AND, UM, SORT OF CONSISTENT WITH THAT, UH, THERE IS AN IDEA.
UM, I WENT WITH SOME FRIENDS TO TOUR THE REFRESH CENTER AT SKID ROW LAST MONTH.
AND, UM, THAT WAS STARTED BY THE CITY OF LA AND THE, THE INITIAL OPERATOR WAS GOODWILL OF SOUTHERN CAL.
THE ONES HERE, ACTUALLY THEY WERE THE, THE FIRST SERVICE PROVIDER FOR THE REFRESH CENTER.
SO I KNOW THE GOODWILL, UM, IS VERY OPEN TO COLLABORATING ON THOSE TYPES OF PROJECTS.
AND THEY HAVE, UM, NOT ONLY THE, UM, CAPACITY 'CAUSE THEY'RE CONTINUALLY TRAINING PEOPLE FOR VARIOUS JOBS, BUT ALSO THEY HAVE QUITE A BIT OF REAL ESTATE ON THE WEST SIDE.
THEY HAVE THREE SQUARE BLOCKS ON THE WEST SIDE.
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OKAY.SO ANYTHING ELSE SPECIFICALLY ON THIS REPORT? UM, IT'S GREAT THAT IT WENT TO ALL THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS IN THE MAYOR RIGHT ON HALLOWEEN.
UM, AND IT'S GREAT TO SEE THAT HALF OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE BEING IMPLEMENTED, SO.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS? WELL, I GUESS AS FAR AS THE INCREASING SHELTER BEDS, HOW DO WE WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT? UM, BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REQUESTING, YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS OF SHELTER BEDS, UM, TO ACCOMMODATE THEIR MEMBERS.
UM, WANNA DO THAT? WELL, I KNOW LAST YEAR WHEN WE DID MEETINGS WITH THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, WE SAID, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE'VE MADE THESE RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND THE WAY THAT WE PHRASE INCREASING SHELTER BEDS, AS WE SAID, UM, OF COURSE LONG-TERM, YOU KNOW, SUPPORTIVE HOUSING IS IMPORTANT.
OF COURSE, ALL THE PREVENTATIVE SERVICES ARE IMPORTANT, BUT WE THINK, UM, PERCENTAGE OF RESOURCES SHOULD BE SHIFTED TOWARDS MORE SHELTER BECAUSE OF THE HORRIBLE EFFECTS OF BEING UN SHELTERED ON PEOPLE ON THE STREETS.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE JUST KIND OF STATED THE OVERALL GOAL AND SAID, WE THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A SHIFT IN CITY POLICY.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT WOULD TAKE SOME RESOURCES AWAY FROM OTHER ALSO VERY GOOD SERVICES, BUT WE THINK IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF DEATHS AND THE HORRIBLE HEALTH AND, AND MENTAL HEALTH IMPACTS OF PEOPLE IN THE STREET.
SO I THINK IT'S JUST CONTINUING TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THAT'S KIND OF THE PHILOSOPHY BEHIND THESE RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, BUT WHAT DO YOU THINK? WELL, AND ALSO I, I KNOW TALKING TO PEOPLE IN DOWNTOWN ESPECIALLY, UM, THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO SEE LESS PEOPLE ON THEIR STREETS AND SIDEWALKS, ESPECIALLY IN AND AROUND DOWNTOWN.
UM, IT IMPACTS NOT ONLY, UM, THE PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS IN A MOST HORRIBLE WAY.
IT IMPACTS THE RESIDENT, THE OTHER RESIDENTS, INCLUDING CHILDREN WHO HAVE TO WALK TO SCHOOL.
AND, UM, IT, I WAS IN AND AROUND DOWNTOWN EARLIER TODAY, AND IT'S JUST, THERE'S A LOT OF MISERY OUT IN THE OPEN THAT CHILDREN ARE EXPOSED TO EVERY DAY.
AND SO I HEAR FROM PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN A NEAR DOWNTOWN THAT THEY WANT NOT ONLY THE, THE THE CLEAN TEAM, RIGHT? MM-HMM
BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S MOBILIZED THE CLEAN, CLEAN TEAM.
UM, BUT THEY, THEY WANT MORE OF A IMPACTFUL SOLUTION SO THAT WE HAVE A SAFE PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO BE.
I MEAN, I CAN TELL YOU EVERY SATURDAY I HEAR THE STORIES FROM THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE AROUND ST.
LUKE'S AND THE CLEAN TEAM AND WHAT IS TAKEN AND WHAT IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY HAVE TO GET, UM, IN TERMS OF MEDICATION AND ID ALL OVER AGAIN, UM, ALL THE TIME.
IT'S JUST HAVING THE SWEEPS IS SUCH A LOOSE BANDAID, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONLY GOOD FOR THAT MOMENT IN TIME.
AND WE DO ALL APPRECIATE CLEANLINESS.
HOWEVER, WE NEED TO FIND A SAFE PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO BE.
WE CAN'T JUST KEEP CONTINUING TO THROW AWAY ALL THEIR STUFF AND EXPECT SOME SORT OF MIRACLE AND, UM, NOT HAVE COME BACK.
BUT BECAUSE THEY ALL, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY PLACE TO BE.
I WISH, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET PEOPLE INTO TREATMENT.
I CAN TRY ALL SORTS OF WAYS TO TRY AND GET THEM OFF THE STREETS, BUT IT, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE CAN, WE HAVE TO DO BETTER.
I, I MEAN, THAT'S ALL, LIKE, IF WE COULD UR BUILDING OR WE COULD, YOU KNOW, GO BACK TO OUR SAFE SLEEP ALTERNATIVE, UM, WE HAVE TO DO BETTER.
YEAH, I'M READING THIS AND IT'S KIND, IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE THE FIRST PART OF IT REFLECTS ON THE PROGRESS, UM, RELATED TO EVERYONE, EVERYONE HOME.
AND YOU KNOW HOW A LOT HAS BEEN ADDED FROM THE FIRST STRATEGY, UH, BUT THEN IT REFERS YEAH.
BUT THEN IT REFERS TO THE CITY IS VERY INTERESTED, INCREASING SHELTER BEDS BEYOND
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WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN ACCOMPLISHED, HOWEVER, SIGNIFICANT ADDITIONAL FUNDING WOULD BE NEEDED, NEEDED HITTING THE COMMITTEE'S GOAL OF 60% SHELTER WOULD REQUIRE 600 ADDITIONAL SHELTER BEDS WITH CAPITAL COSTS RANGING FROM 60 TO 120 MILLION AND $20 MILLION ANNUALLY IN NEW OPERATING COSTS.SO THEY'RE PUTTING IN MEAN THIS, THIS IS A REALITY, YOU KNOW? WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A REALITY.
I MEAN, THERE'S OTHER COMMUNITIES WHO, WHO DO IT FOR MUCH LESS THAN THAT.
UM, AGAIN, THIS, THIS IS, THIS IS, SO WE MIGHT SAY, NO, WE THINK WE COULD BE DONE FOR 60 MILLION, BUT IT'S STILL 60 MILLION.
OR TAKE ALL YOUR VACANT BUILDINGS ON PACIFIC LONG BEACH BOULEVARD AND ATLANTIC AND OTHER STREETS.
BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK THEY'RE JUST AT THIS STAGE, OR IS THE CITY GONNA FIND THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY? UM, AND BASICALLY WHAT THE, WHAT THIS IS SAYING TO THE CITY COUNCIL OR TO THE MANAGER AND THE CITY COUNCIL IS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S TRUTH IN OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT IT COSTS MONEY.
BUT I THINK PUTTING IT LIKE THAT MAKES IT SEEM LIKE IT'S BEYOND PIE IN THE SKY.
UM, I COULD TELL YOU THERE'S A BUILDING ON ANAHEIM THAT'S FOR $3 MILLION.
THAT WAS A FORMER MOTEL, AND IT'S FOR SALE RIGHT NOW FOR $3 MILLION, A LITTLE OVER $3 MILLION.
AND YOU COULD PRO IT'S TWO STORIES, AND YOU, YOU COULD PROBABLY PUT 20 TO 30 PEOPLE IN THERE.
SO IT'S ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT PILOTING, RIGHT? WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR 600 BEDS TODAY,
I THINK IT'S ALSO HELPFUL, EVEN FOR THE CITY TO LOOK AT HOW MUCH WOULD IT COST IN ORDER TO DO THIS AND WHAT SORT OF, I MEAN, I KNOW THERE'S LIMITED STATE AND FEDERAL GRANTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE, BUT JUST EVEN KNOWING WHAT IT COSTS TO HIT AMBITIOUS GOALS, I, I THINK IS HELPFUL.
YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS WHAT CAN BE PROPOSED OR SO AGREED.
AND WE ALL KNOW THAT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH MONEY TO DO WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE DONE, WHICH IS TO SHELTER EVERYONE AND THEN GET EVERYONE TO MORE LONG-TERM AND STABLE HOUSING.
HOWEVER, I THINK WE NEED TO MAP A PLAN AND WE NEED TO KEEP ENCOURAGING THE CITY TO CHART A PLAN FOR AN EVEN MORE ANXIOUS RESPONSE WHILE RECOGNIZING EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN ACHIEVED SO FAR.
SO, AND, AND, BUT YOU KNOW, THE, THE REASON WE HAD THE PUBLIC WORKS GUY TALK ABOUT HIS SWEEPS AND WAS JUST TRYING TO, TRYING TO GET A HANDLE OF WHAT REALLY IS HAPPENING OUT THERE IN TERMS OF, OF THE PUBLIC WORKS EFFORTS, RIGHT? IN, IN KEEPING OUR, OUR, UM, COMMUNITY CLEAN.
UM, HOWEVER, WE NEED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE HAS TO BE SOME EFFORT.
AND I UNDERSTAND THE REASON TO DO 600 SUCH SEXUAL, THAT'S JUST A MATH THING.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, UM, WE CAN'T LOOK AT THAT AND SAY, OH, TOO MUCH.
NO, WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH A STARTING POINT.
WE, WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE BARRIERS OR CHALLENGES THAT SEEM TOO GREAT TO OVERCOME.
WE WANT TO FIGURE OUT, AS OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE, LET'S, LET'S PILOT ONE BUILDING OR ONE PIECE OF REAL ESTATE, PUT 20, 30 TENTHS ON IT, WHATEVER, LET'S, LET'S JUST MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
I I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
I GOT, I HAVE THAT, BUT, UM, OUR ASK WASN'T FOR THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, RIGHT.
IT WAS JUST TO ADDRESS A SEVERE SHORTAGE IN SHELTER.
AND I THINK PART OF IT IS ALSO, UM, THAT'S WHY INCREMENTAL STEPS MM-HMM
LIKE SET A GOAL AND MAKE IT INCREMENTAL.
SO THE FIRST GOAL WAS 40% AND THEN 60%.
SO THAT'S WHY, LIKE, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD'VE LIKED TO SEE BECAUSE, 'CAUSE THE STATUS QUO, WHICH MEANS REALLY I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING BEYOND LUXURY IN, FOR NEW SHELTERS.
UM, THE STATUS QUO IS VERY EXPENSIVE.
IT'S TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS DOING WHATEVER IT IS THAT WE THINK WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW.
AND THE LUXURY IN IS NOT A GOOD MODEL FOR SHELTER.
WE, I WOULD NEVER WANT TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD AGAIN.
JUST SOME BACK OF THE ENVELOPE MATH, 40, 40%.
BRINGS IT DOWN TO CAPITAL COST OF 20 MILLION.
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AND THEN THE ANNUAL OPERATING COSTS MORE LIKE, I DUNNO, 700 MILLION OR 6 0, 60 6 MILLION.YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY 700 MILLION.
6 MILLION PERSONAL CONTRIBUTION TO THAT RECOMMENDATION.
I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING, I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS, UH, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING SAID, HOW DO, HOW DO WE, TH THIS RESPONSE GOES TO THE FAR EXTREME.
IT SAYS, WE'RE INTERESTED IN ACCOMPLISHING THIS, BUT GOING TO THE 60% IS IMPOSSIBLE, BASICALLY.
AND THERE'S NO INPUT TO SAY WE COULD, WHY DON'T WE TARGET A 5% INCREASE? OR LET'S DO HOW, HOW BEST, HOW CAN, HOW CAN OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR REQUESTS MAYBE BETTER EMPHASIZE THE INCREMENTAL.
UH, AND WE DO THAT IN OUR CONVERSATIONS, UH, AND YOU KNOW, KIND OF ONGOING TOO.
I GUESS I HONESTLY DON'T READ THAT LAST LINE EXACTLY AS BEING 100% OF SINCERE, OR THAT LAST PARAGRAPH.
I READ IT AS US SAYING, HEY, LET'S SET MORE AMBITIOUS GOALS AND PUSH EVEN HARDER.
AND THE CITY'S SAYING, BUT WE HAVE DONE THINGS AND WE'RE GOING TO DEMONSTRATE TOO, IN THE STATE THAT WE'VE DONE THINGS.
AND ALSO THE AMBITIOUS GOAL YOU'RE SUGGESTING IS VERY HARD TO ACHIEVE.
I THINK EVERYBODY WHO READ OUR RECOMMENDATION UNDERSTANDS THAT THERE COULD BE AN INCREMENTAL APPROACH TO THINGS.
UM, AND THEY, EVERYONE WORKS HARD EVERY DAY, RIGHT? EVERYONE'S WORKING HARD FOR EVERY DAY TO HOUSE AND SHELTER PEOPLE.
AND SO I THINK WE'RE JUST, WE'RE PUSHING LIKE, HOW, YOU KNOW, HOW CAN WE DO EVEN MORE WITH OUR RESOURCES? HOW CAN WE BE EVEN MORE AMBITIOUS? AND THE PEOPLE WHO AUTHORED THIS SAID, HEY, WE'VE MADE GREAT PROGRESS AND WE WANNA EMPHASIZE THAT, AND IT WOULD BE REALLY HARD TO MAKE BIG PROGRESS.
AND BOTH OF THOSE STATEMENTS ARE VALID.
AND I THINK IT'S OUR JOB TO KEEP HAVING THE CONVERSATION, KEEP RAISING IT AND SAYING, HOW CAN WE DO MORE WITH THE RESOURCES THAT WE ALREADY HAVE OR WE COULD GET, YOU KNOW? MM-HMM
SO I, I PERSONALLY, LIKE I SAID, AM EXCITED ABOUT THE SHOWER TRUCK.
I LOVE TANGIBLE, YOU KNOW, PROGRESS.
I, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GONNA BENEFIT FROM THAT.
AND I'M EXCITED ABOUT FOLLOWING ALONG AND JUST CONTINUING TO TALK WITH OUR, OUR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS ABOUT, HEY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A SHIFT THAT WE RECOMMEND MORE RESOURCES AND SHELTER.
UM, AND YOU CAN SEE KIND OF NEXT ITEMS ON THE AGENDA ARE ABOUT VACANT SURVEYS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO ANYTHING MORE ON THIS AGENDA ITEM.
AND THERE, THERE IS STILL A THIRD PARTY, UM, THAT HAS ORDERED THEIR SHOWER TRUCK THAT MAY BE ABLE TO USED IN THE CITY OF LONG BEACH ALSO.
BUT THEN I GUESS, UH, THEY'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO DO IT WITHOUT MUCH STATE PARTICIPATION.
AND THEN I'LL, I'LL MAKE A NOTE OF THAT.
NOT GO TO THE SAME PLATE OR YEAH.
SO I WILL MAKE IN ADVANCE OF OUR NEXT CASE ACT MEETING ON A FORM THE WAY THAT PAM ONCE DID FOR EVERY HAYSTACK MEMBER TO TAKE TO THEIR CITY COUNCIL MEMBER WITH SPECIFIC, HEY, HERE'S HOW YOU CAN DISCUSS TALKING POINTS.
TALKING POINTS FOR OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, SO THAT WE CAN SHARE THOSE AT THE DECEMBER MEETING.
UM, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS TOPIC? I, UH, I DO WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU AS THE POLICY COMMITTEE TO THINK ABOUT THIS IDEA OF MODEL, UH, PROGRAMS THAT ARE LOW COST AND, AND THAT TO HELP WITH THAT LOW COST.
IN FACT, IT, THE REALITY MAY BE THAT THE CITY DOES HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO WORK WITH COMMUNITY BASED ORGANIZATIONS, UM, BECAUSE THANK GOD, OUR CITY STAFF, THEY'RE, THEY HAVE A UNION, THEY HAVE ADVOCACY FOR GOOD WAGES AND BENEFITS, AND I'M DAMN GLAD
UH, HOWEVER, AS YOU'VE DISCUSSED THIS IS, THIS IS SUCH A CHALLENGE.
UH, AND I JUST, I, IN THE POST RECENTLY, THERE WAS AN ARTICLE ABOUT FOLKS GOING TO TEXAS TO SEE WHAT WAS BEING DONE.
THEY HAD A PHOTO IN THE ARTICLE OF, UH, THE TEMPORARY HOUSING THAT'S
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BEING USED IN OAKLAND.UM, ALL OF WHICH SOUNDS LIKE IT IS LOT LESS EXPENSIVE THAN MAYBE WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO GENERATE.
UH, AND THEN I ALSO WANT TO ECHO YOUR, WHAT YOU'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT I LIVED IN DOWNTOWN AND THE, THE HOMELESS ALSO LIVED DOWNTOWN.
AND, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T WALK WITHOUT INTERACTING WITH SOMEONE WHO'S HOMELESS.
YOU LITERALLY CAN'T GO OUTSIDE.
DOESN'T MUCH MATTER WHAT TIME.
UH, WE WERE OUT THIS MORNING AT FIVE O'CLOCK WALKING OUR DOG AND SAW NUMEROUS HOMELESS NEIGHBORS.
UH, AND SO THIS, THE MONEY WE'RE SPENDING ON THE, THE SWEEPS, THE MONEY WE'RE SPENDING, AT LEAST I'M SPENDING
AND THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT THEY SPEND COPING WITH THE HOMELESS IS I BET THE BIGGEST CHUNK OF THEIR TIME, UH, AND THE CLEANING WORK THAT THEY DO.
AND SO TO ME, THAT'S TWO SOURCES OF BIG TIME MONEY.
NEITHER ONE OF 'EM SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
AND SOMETIMES THE HOMELESS ARE BEING MOVED A FEW BLOCKS, NOT ALL THE WAY INTO ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND SO IT, IT JUST, IT SEEMS THAT THAT IS SUCH A WASTE OF OUR MONEY, THAT FIGURING OUT HOW TO MAKE AN APPEAL TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, NOT THAT THIS IS GONNA HAPPEN QUICK, BUT THAT SOME OF THAT MONEY, WHY NOT THINK ABOUT THAT AS A SOURCE AND FIGURE OUT, UM, A VERY MODEST, INCREMENTAL MODEL AND TAKE SOME OF THAT CLEANUP MONEY AND USE IT TO HELP NOT FULLY FUND, BUT TO HELP FUND SOME OF THIS EXPERIMENTATION THAT IS, WE KNOW IS NOT GONNA BE SUPER DUPER HOUSING, TEMPORARY HOUSING, BUT THERE IS NO SUPER DUPER TEMPORARY HOUSING IN REALITY.
SO I'M WANT TO ENCOURAGE FOLKS TO, TO, IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT SOME REAL SPECIFIC SUGGESTIONS AND START BOTH, OBVIOUSLY WORKING WITH STAFF TO SEE WHAT THEIR EXPERIENCE IS AND WHAT THEIR INVESTIGATION HAS BEEN OF ALTERNATIVES, AND THAT THEN WE, I BELIEVE, ARE IN A BETTER POSITION, IN FACT, TO, TO BE TALKING TO OUR CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE I AGREE THAT RIGHT NOW IT'S LIKE ULTIMATELY THEY'RE BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE BECAUSE THE BIG TIME BUCKS AREN'T THERE.
AND SO IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE CAN HELP CREATE A SITUATION AND A PROPOSAL WHERE THEY'RE NOT BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE.
MAYBE THEY'RE BETWEEN A PILE OF DIRT AND A NOT SO GREAT PLACE.
UM, SO ANYWAY, SO THAT'S THE SOME PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE DON'T NORMALLY RESPOND, BUT I WILL JUST HIGHLIGHT THAT OUR ORIGINAL PROPOSAL FOR THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR SHOWERS, TRASH AND BATHROOMS ACTUALLY DID SAY, TAKE THE MONEY FROM THE CLEAN TEAM AND, AND DIVER IT HERE.
AND THEN WE TOOK A MORE AGNOSTIC APPROACH.
WE SAID IT COULD COME FROM THERE, BUT IT REALLY COULD COME FROM ANYWHERE.
AND SO WE HAD THAT SAME THOUGHT WHEN WE STARTED OUR POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS THIS YEAR.
AND I JUST, ONE MORE REAL QUICK, AND THEN I'M, I'LL STOP.
MY EXPERIENCE WITH MY NEIGHBORS AND WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ORGANIZATION IS PART OF WHY PEOPLE
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ARE SO FRANKLY P****D AND FRUSTRATED, IS BECAUSE THEY SEE THE SWEEPS, THEY SEE THE COIN TEAM EVERY DAY AND THEY KNOW DAMN GOOD.AND SO, TO ME, THAT'S PART OF THE FRUSTRATION OF MY NEIGHBORS, IS THAT WHENEVER THEY SEE THE CITY, HONESTLY, SINCERELY TRYING TO DO, IT'S NOT A SOLUTION.
ITEM NUMBER THREE, RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE A DISCUSSION ON THE CITY OF LONG BEACH, VACANT AND AVAILABLE PARKING LOTS AND COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, INCLUDING AN OVERVIEW OF THE VACANCY TO VIBRANCY CITY WEBSITE AND THE DISTRICT TWO PARKING STUDY.
IT'S THE ALAMEDOS BEACH HARING STUDY.
UM, ALL IN FAVOR OR SORRY, MOTION.
SO JUST AS AN OVERVIEW OF THIS, THIS IS ACTUALLY A TOPIC THAT OUR FELLOW HAY SAC A MEMBER RECOMMENDED WE DISCUSS.
AND THE DISCUSSION IS ESSENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, ARE THERE SPACES IN THE CITY THAT COULD BE USED FOR VARIOUS SERVICES FOR SOME OF THESE PILOT PROJECTS WE'RE DISCUSSING? UM, I, I TOOK A LOOK.
I TOOK A LOOK AT THE, UM, VACANCY TO VIBRANCY CITY WEBSITE.
IT'S VACANT COMMERCIAL SPACE IN THE CITY.
THERE IS A LOT DOWNTOWN, THERE'S HUNDREDS, YOU KNOW, ALL OVER THE CITY.
AND SO I THINK IN THE PAST, SOMETIMES WHEN THIS CITY HAS, OR THIS COMMITTEE HAS MADE RECOMMENDATIONS OF, WELL, MAYBE WE COULD DO SAFE SLEEP, OR MAYBE WE COULD DO A SHOWER, YOU KNOW, AND THEN CITY STAFF SAY, DO YOU HAVE A PLACE TO DO THAT? AND SO THIS DOES SEEM, YOU KNOW, ALTHOUGH IT WOULD INVOLVE COST OF RENTING, IT IS A PLACE WHERE THE CITY CAN NOW LOOK AND SAY, WELL, THIS IS AVAILABLE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE MARKET COMMERCIAL RATES WORK FOR, FOR THIS.
AND THEN THE SECOND THING I NOTICED ALONG THE SAME LINE, AND I'LL, WE'LL OPEN THIS UP FOR MUCH BROADER DISCUSSION, BUT THE SECOND, SECOND THING I NOTICED IS I USED TO LIVE IN THE SECOND DISTRICT, IS THE SECOND DISTRICT IS LOOKING FOR MORE PARKING.
AND SO THEY DID A STUDY OF, UM, AVAILABLE PARKING LOTS, ESSENTIALLY THERE, WHICH IS INTERESTING BECAUSE WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR AVAILABLE PARKING LOTS.
UM, SO I JUST, I THOUGHT THAT WAS INTERESTING AS WELL.
AND IT'S REALLY THAT THE CITY WAS LOOKING FOR OVERFLOW PARKING.
UM, BUT I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING, AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, THIS IS FOR ONE DISTRICT IN THE CITY WHERE THERE, THERE'S SOME POTENTIAL SPACES, AT LEAST IN THE, YOU KNOW, IN THE EVENING, PARTICULARLY WHERE SERVICES OR PARKING OR OTHER TYPES OF PROGRAMS COULD BE RUN.
AND SINCE THE CITY ALREADY PAID TO DO IT, I THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING FOR US TO HAVE THIS MAP, AT LEAST AS A RESOURCE, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY FOR SHOWER SITES OR, OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
BECAUSE WE DO OFTEN KIND OF GET ASKED, IS THERE A PLACE, YOU KNOW, IS THERE A PLACE WHERE WE CAN DO THAT? UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF COMMITTEE MEMBERS THAT WERE TO SAY ABOUT VACANT SPACES FOR ME AND LOOKING INTO IT, IT WAS MORE OF A, WELL, HERE'S A RESOURCE, BUT YOU KNOW, IF WE SAY WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR A PLACE FOR THAT STRONGER TRUCK TO GO, OR IF WE HAVE A DIFFERENT PILOT PROJECT THAN SAFE SLEEP, YOU KNOW, MAY, MAYBE IT COULD TAKE PLACE HERE, HERE ARE SOME OF THE TOP PLACES THE CITY COULD LOOK, WHETHER IT'S A COMMERCIAL SPACE OR A PARKING LOT TO OFFER SOME OF THOSE SERVICES.
UM, BUT OTHER THOUGHTS BEFORE WE TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT? YEAH, I MEAN, THIS IS JUST FOR RESIDENTIAL PARKING OVERFLOW.
UM, SO THE, THE BASIC CRITERIA IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT, UM, THAN TO ADDRESS THE HOMELESSNESS ISSUE.
WELL, I THINK BEFORE WHEN WE WERE LOOKING FOR SAFE SLEEP PLACES, WE WERE REALLY LOOKING FOR ANYTHING, GIVE US A, AND SO I WAS, LET'S, LET'S TAKE THIS INFORMATION THAT ALREADY EXISTS.
SOME OF THE SITES MAY NOT APPLY, BUT IT'S GOOD TO KNOW SOME DATA IS OUT THERE ABOUT WHAT'S VACANT AND WHAT THE CITY HAS SAID POTENTIALLY COULD BE ACCESSIBLE.
SO WAS THERE, UM, A DIFFERENT ONE THAT HAD THE CITY OWNED PROPERTIES OR NOT? SO THERE IS NOT FOR THE, UM, FOR THE PARKING STUDY.
AND THEN I WAS LOOKING INTO PRINTING OUT INFORMATION ABOUT THE VACANCY TO VIBRANCE THE, UH, CITY WEBSITE AND MAYBE WE COULD EVEN BRING IT UP ON THE SCREEN.
BUT IT'S LITERALLY HUNDREDS OF SITES AND, AND IT'S MOSTLY, YOU KNOW, KIND OF, UM, THE GROUND FLOOR OF LIKE CONDO OR APARTMENT BUILDINGS THAT HAVE VACANT RETAIL SPACES, UM, OR COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES.
THERE'S CERTAINLY PARKING LOTS ON THERE.
SO IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY IF I, IN MY OPINION, IF WE HEAR FROM CITY STAFF, HEY, WE'VE LOOKED AT IT AND WE REALLY WANNA OFFER THE SHOWER TRUCK OR TOILET SERVICES IN THIS AREA.
WE'RE LOOKING FOR A PLACE WHERE IT COULD BE, I SEE THESE AS RESOURCES, YOU
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KNOW, OF, OH, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A PLACE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.WELL, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THESE, LET'S SEE IF THEY'RE AFFORDABLE OR IF THEY'RE PRACTICAL FOR THIS PURPOSE.
DOES IT ALSO INCLUDE CITY OWNED PROPERTY OR JUST, UM, THIRD PARTY PROPERTIES? DOUG, MY MEMORY IS IT, AND MAYBE WHEN WE TAKE A POLL COMMENT WILL BE MORE INPUT INTO THIS.
'CAUSE I KNOW THIS ITEM WAS SUBMITTED BY MEMBER OF THE ASAC COMMITTEE.
TO ME IT LOOKED LIKE IT IS COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND THE VACANCY TO VIBRANCY.
THERE IS AN ANOTHER CITY WEBSITE THAT IS, UM, LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, OVERFLOW PROPERTIES OR UNDERUTILIZED PROPERTIES OF THE CITY WHERE THE CITY POST AND SELLS THEM SURPLUS SUR.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT CATEGORIES OF PROPERTIES OUT THERE.
AND I THINK MAYBE THERE'S MORE RESOURCES NOW OF, HEY, WE'RE LOOKING FOR A SITE PILOT PROJECT, YOU KNOW, WHERE, WHERE MIGHT THIS BE? AND THEN THERE'S AT LEAST THIS DATABASE OF POTENTIAL PLACES.
ANY ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT OR ANY? WELL, YEAH.
UM, I, I AM INTERESTED IN ALTERNATIVE LOW COSTS.
FOR EXAMPLE, CONGREGATE SHELTER IN A BUILDING, NICELY DONE, UM, AS ONE APPROACH, NOT THE TOTAL SOLUTION, BUT A LOW COST SOLUTION LIKE THAT.
AND I'VE LOOKED ON A MAP, I'M NOT SURE WHICH ONE IT WAS, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S HEAVY ON VACANT PROPERTIES ALONG THE, I LIVED IN THE FIFTH, SO IT'S ALONG THE ATLANTIC CORRIDOR AND THE LONG BEACH CORRIDOR HEADING UP NORTH, WHICH IS WHERE I BELIEVE THERE'S A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT HOMELESS POPULATION.
AND SO IT JUST SORT OF SEEMS TO ME LIKE PURSUING MORE STUDY OF CONGREGATE SHELTER USING, WHETHER IT'S THERE OR OTHER PLACES, SEEMS TO BE A POTENTIAL LOW COST, NOT A SOLUTION, BUT A, A SIGNIFICANT, IT WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT.
I BELIEVE CONGREGATE SHELTERS CAN HANDLE MORE FOR LETTING LESS MONEY.
UM, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, FOR SOME REASON, I KIND OF GET A, A SENSE THAT HOMELESS SERVICES IS NOT INTERESTED IN CONGREGATE SHELTERS.
THEY, THEY, THEY PREFER, YEAH, THEY PREFER THE, YOU KNOW, LUXURY.
AND YES, THEY PREFER THE MOTELS AND THE MOTEL APPROACH.
AND, UM, I'M JUST, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE 120 MILLION COMES FROM.
UM, IF YOU HAVE A MODEL WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING AT THESE PRIVATE SPACES, THEN IT MAY BE 120 MILLION.
UH, SO I, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M AT.
I, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TRUTH THERE IS IN ALL OF THAT, BUT THAT'S SORT OF WHERE I'M AT ON ALL OF THIS.
AND, UM, MAYBE WE NEED TO CHANGE THE TERMINOLOGY.
'CAUSE CONGRESS COULD SHELTER PEOPLE.
THINK OF A WAREHOUSE WITH A HUNDRED CUTS, RIGHT? AND THAT, THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING.
I THINK MAYBE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS A SHARED INTERIM HOUSING MODEL WHERE, LIKE THE PROPERTY I TOURED ON ANAHEIM, UM, ONE STREET EAST OF, EAST OF ATLANTIC, IT WAS A FORMER MOTEL.
SO UPSTAIRS THERE'S, UH, NINE TO 10, UH, MODEST SIZED BEDROOM TYPE ROOMS WHERE YOU COULD, UH, COMFORTABLY PUT TWO OR THREE PEOPLE IN EACH ROOM.
SO IT'D BE MORE LIKE A DORMITORY, LET'S USE THAT TERM, DORMITORY
SO IT WOULD WORK PRETTY EFFECTIVELY A, A DORMITORY FOR 30 SOME PEOPLE.
AND THEN THE WHOLE DOWNSTAIRS IS, IS ALL OFFICES AND EVEN A COMMERCIAL KITCHEN WHERE YOU COULD DO, UM, SOME NOT ONLY LIFE SKILL DEVELOPMENT, BUT MAYBE DO SOME SORT OF ENTERPRISE WITH YOUR RESIDENTS.
SO, UM, I THINK THE TERM CONGREGATE SHELTER, UM, IS NOT GONNA BE WELL RECEIVED BY ANYBODY
UM, BUT IF YOU THINK ABOUT DORMITORY, THERE'S A LOT OF, SO THAT'S WHY I WANT TO GET A, UM, EXPANSION ON, ON WHAT THESE HUD SHELTER BEDS ARE.
'CAUSE I KNOW, AND I HAVE BEEN TO THEM.
I, UM, THERE ARE THESE THINGS CALLED SROS, AND THEY'RE SINGLE ROOM OCCUPANCIES.
AND BASICALLY WHAT THEY ARE, IT ARE MOTELS THAT I THINK WERE MADE FOR, UM, MILITARY PERSONNEL.
AND SO THEY'RE ALL BEDROOMS WITH LIKE A DORMITORY STYLE WITH, UM, UH, SHARED, UH, BATHROOMS AND SHOWERS.
UM, AND SO, UM, THOSE ARE SROS AND THEY HAVE BEEN,
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LIKE IN LA THEY USE 'EM AS INTERIM HOUSING.THEY'LL TAKE A 200 UNIT OLD HOTEL AND CONVERT 'EM INTO SROS.
AND I KNOW PEOPLE WHO HAVE LIVED IN SROS IN LONG BEACH FOR OVER 10 YEARS.
THAT IS THEIR PERMANENT HOUSING.
IT'S NOT PERMANENT HOUSING YOU AND I WOULD EVER WANT, BUT IT, IT CERTAINLY WORKS FOR A CERTAIN POPULATION BECAUSE THEY'RE PAYING 650 TO $800 IN RENT FOR THEIR BEDROOM, AND THAT'S THEIR BUDGET.
SO THEY, THEY AREN'T LOOKING TO MOVE AND, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE FINE THERE.
I MEAN, THEY WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD A ONE BEDROOM APARTMENT FOR $800, BUT THEY CANNOT.
SO, UM, I KNOW THIS CITY HAS A, A LOT OF SROS, UM, AND MAYBE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IT'S MORE OF A DORMITORY TYPE SHELTER.
UM, YES, I'M, I'M FINE WITH THAT.
THERE'S A CONGREGATE SHELTER THAT THE CITY RUNS, RIGHT? YEP.
IT'S AT 98% OCCUPANCY, THERE'S A DEMAND.
AND IT'S GETTING 40 MORE BEDS.
SO THERE IS A DEMAND FOR CONGREGATE SHELTER.
I BELIEVE IT IS THE ABSOLUTE LOWEST COST THAT WOULD SHELTER THE MOST FOLKS, UH, FROM BOTH AN OPERATIONAL AND FROM A, TAKING A BUILDING AND, AND REMODELING IT, I BELIEVE.
UH, AND SO THERE IS A DEMAND TO SAY THAT THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED IS, I DON'T THINK IS TRUE.
I THINK IT'S A LESSER CHOICE, BUT IT'S BETTER THAN BEING REIGNED ON.
AND, UM, SO I, I, I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE IN THESE DISCUSSIONS.
IF THERE'S NOT ENOUGH MONEY FOR THE HOTEL, THEN IS IT ANOTHER CONGREGATE SHELTER VERSUS YOUR ALTERNATIVES? AND WE, WE WANT TO, WE WANT TO SHELTER A HUNDRED PEOPLE IN BOTH OPTIONS.
HOW MUCH DO THEY BOTH COST AND WHAT CAN WE AFFORD? AND JUST THAT, YEAH, YOU'RE, YOU ARE CORRECT.
THERE IS ALWAYS A LIST FOR 7 0 2 SHELTER AT THE SAME TIME.
UM, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO, UM, GET A MEASUREMENT OF OUTCOMES.
I KNOW THAT SOME PEOPLE DON'T LAST MORE THAN A HANDFUL OF DAYS AT 7 0 2, THEY CHECK.
AND SO, AND, AND BECAUSE OF THE VOLUME, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE OUTCOMES ARE FOR 7 0 2.
'CAUSE I KNOW SOME PEOPLE ARE NOT GONNA BE CONNECTED TO PERMANENT HOUSING AFTER THAT.
I THINK THIS IS A REALLY WORTHWHILE DISCUSSION.
'CAUSE WHAT WE'RE ALL SAYING, WHAT THE CITY SAID, WHAT WE KNOW IS THAT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH MONEY TO, UM, SHELTER EVERYONE AT THIS TIME OR PROVIDE PERMANENT LONG-TERM HOUSING.
SO WHAT IS THE BEST SOLUTION THAT WE CAN PROPOSE WITH THE RESOURCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE? UM, SO I APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION, AND I LIKE THE QUESTION ABOUT WHAT ARE THE OUTCOMES AT 7 0 2, UM, AND JUST LOOKING AT THESE LOWER COST ALTERNATIVES, THAT MAY NOT BE THE ABSOLUTE IDEAL, BUT MAY PROVIDE MORE PEOPLE A MINIMUM OF, YOU KNOW, SAFETY OR CARE.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS TOPIC? I THINK WE'LL CONTINUE TO EXPLORE THIS.
I THINK THIS IS BASICALLY WHAT THE POLICY COMMITTEE HAS BEEN DOING IS PROVIDING LOWER COST ALTERNATIVES THAT CAN PROVIDE SERVICES TO MORE PEOPLE.
AND I THINK WE'LL CONTINUE DOING THAT, YOU KNOW, AND, AND MAKING THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS TOPIC? UH, ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? YES.
UM, A COUPLE OF THINGS I'M WONDERING ABOUT THE IDEA OF, UM, EITHER THE SUBCOMMITTEE OR THE ENTIRE COMMITTEE ASKING FOR A PRESENTATION FROM WHICHEVER STAFF HAVE PREPARED THESE LISTS FOR THEM TO GIVE US MORE DETAILS THAN JUST THIS LISTING THAT ASK THEM TO GO INTO THEIR DATABASE AND SORT STUFF AS TO, YOU KNOW, WHICH OF THE PROPERTIES ARE THE CONDO BUILDINGS THAT HAVE BEEN REQUIRED TO HAVE COMMERCIAL SPACE DOWNTOWN OR DOWNSTAIRS AT STREET LEVEL, WHICH THEY CAN'T FILL, NOBODY CAN FILL.
UM, SO I JUST THROW THAT OUT THERE THAT MAYBE WE COULD EDUCATE OURSELVES MORE.
UM, BUT IT DOES SOUND TO ME LIKE IT'S THE CITY MANAGER OR SOMEBODY ELSE, LIKE THE STAFF THAT DID COMPILE THIS LIST.
AND IF WE KNOW MORE ABOUT WHAT IT REALLY REPRESENTS, THEN POSSE COMMITTEE COME
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UP WITH MORE SPECIFIC, UH, THINKING.UM, AND IT ALSO, THIS DISCUSSION THAT YOU'RE HAVING ABOUT THE, UM, CONGREGATE DORM, ACTUAL INDIVIDUAL, UH, APARTMENTS.
I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S A WAY FOR US TO APPLY WHAT THE CITY IS NOW SAYING IN ALMOST ALL OF THEIR REPORTS THAT THE CITY WANTS TO SHIFT TO UPSTREAM SOLUTIONS.
AND THAT THAT'S IN ADDITION TO THE NUMBER CRUNCHING THE MONEY CALCULATIONS, WHICH ARE REAL.
I WONDER IF 7 0 2 CONGREGATE SHELTERS, IF, IF, IF, IF THEY ARE CONTRIBUTING TO UPSTREAM SOLUTIONS.
I FRANKLY, AT THIS POINT BEING IGNORANT.
I THINK NOT IF SROS ARE LOOKED AT OR DORMITORY KIND OF SETUPS THAT THE REALITY IS, LIKE JULIE SAID, I MEAN, I HAVE NEIGHBORS THAT LIVE IN THE FEW REMAINING, WE TORE 'EM ALL DOWN, BUT THE FEW REMAINING SROS AND THAT'S IT, THAT'S HOME.
THEY, IT'S, IT'S WHAT THEY CAN AFFORD, THEY'RE IN.
AND SO THAT'S A BETTER UPSTREAM POTENTIALLY SOLUTION.
SO ALSO SUGGESTING THAT WE FIGURE OUT HOW TO ADD THAT COMMITMENT.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING I WANT TO, TO RAISE IS THE OLYMPICS ARE COMING, AND I, I KNOW THERE'S A SENSE OF, OF A COMMITMENT AND A SENSE, A SERIOUS SENSE OF URGENCY TO, TO SUPPORT AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO ASSIST OUR HOMELESS NEIGHBORS.
THE CRUNCH THAT THE CITY IS GOING TO EXPERIENCE, UH, AND THE IMPACT OF THE OLYMPICS ON OUR CURRENT HOMELESS NEIGHBORS IS GOING TO BE PROFOUND WHEN AS WE GET CLOSER AND CLOSER TO THE OLYMPICS.
PART OF THE OLYMPICS IS AN APPROACH, A SPECIAL APPROACH TO QUOTE, SECURITY AND SAFETY THAT IS SERIOUSLY RESTRICTIVE OF EVERYBODY
UM, AND I, I ANTICIPATE THAT THE, THE IMPACT ON THE HOMELESS WILL JUST BE HORRIFIC.
AND I WONDER IF THERE'S A WAY FOR THE POLICY COMMITTEE TO HELP COMMUNICATE THAT.
UM, I'M SURE THE STAFF ARE HIP TO IT,
ALRIGHT, ITEM NUMBER FOUR, RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE A DISCUSSION ON THE MAYOR'S FUND'S POTENTIAL SUPPORT OF A HYGIENE STATION PILOT PROGRAM RECOMMENDED BY THE HOMELESS SERVICES ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
AND SO THIS ITEM IS ON HERE BECAUSE, UM, I BELIEVE WE STILL HAVE OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN THE MAYOR'S FUND.
AND THE THOUGHT WAS, HEY, YOU KNOW, DO, DO WE AS THE POLICY COMMITTEE WANT TO COME BACK TO HAYSTACK IN GENERAL OR OUR COLLEAGUES OVER IN THE MAYOR'S FUND AND SAY WE ACTUALLY HAVE A RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU KNOW, THAT EITHER THIS FUNDING IS DIRECTLY DEDICATED, A PORTION OF THE MAYOR'S FUND, UM, TO, I DON'T KNOW, TOILETS, TRASH BINS, THE OTHER PART OF OUR RECOMMENDATION, OR ALTERNATIVELY, I'M NOT SUPER FAMILIAR WITH THE PROCESS FOR THE MAYOR'S FUND.
YOU KNOW, THE MAYOR'S FUND COULD PUT OUT AN RFP AND SAY, THERE'S THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY.
DOES ANY NONPROFIT WANT TO PROVIDE THIS? SO I WANTED TO PUT IT HERE ON THE AGENDA TO SEE IF WE AS A POLICY COMMITTEE WANTED TO DISCUSS AND PROPOSE THAT EITHER TO THE MAYOR'S FUND COMMITTEE OR OUR COLLEAGUES.
UM, DEFINITELY SINCE I SIT ON BOTH COMMITTEES, OH,
SO, UM, FOR THE MAYOR'S FUND, UM, THE, THE MONEY, IT'S, IT'S OVER $150,000.
BUT, UM, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE HYGIENE PILOT, AND LET'S SAY, THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE, I HAVEN'T TALKED TO ANYBODY OVER THERE ABOUT THIS, BUT
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LET'S SAY IF GOODWILL WANTED TO BE THE OPERATOR OF THE SHOWER TRAILER, UM, THEN THEY COULD APPLY TO THE MAYOR'S FUND AS GOODWILL TO, TO OPERATE THE SHOWER.AND SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO SUBMIT A BUDGET AND HOW THE MONEY WILL BE SPENT AND, AND WHAT THE OUTCOMES WILL BE.
IT'S A FAIRLY, UM, SIMPLE APPLICATION, I THINK.
RIGHT? AND, UM, AND THEN IT WOULD HAVE TO BE REVIEWED BY THE SUBCOMMITTEE WITH APPROVAL, UM, IF IT GOES FORWARD TO THE WHOLE COMMITTEE.
BUT I'M SAYING IT WOULD REQUIRE AN ACTION ON THE PART OF THE MAYOR'S FUND AND HAYSTACK TO SAY, WE WANT TO SET ASIDE SOME OF THE MAYOR'S FUND MONEY TO SUPPLEMENT, YOU KNOW, ANY OF THESE.
SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT I'VE PUT ON THE TABLE FOR DISCUSSION IS DO WE WANT TO SAY OF THE MONEY SITTING IN THE MAYOR'S FUND, WE THINK THAT FUNDING NEEDS TO GO TO SOME PART OF OUR RECOMMENDATION, WHETHER IT'S TOILETS, TRASH BINS, OR STAFF TIME TO SUPPORT THE SHOWER PROGRAM.
WE DON'T KNOW IF THE CITY HAS THE MONEY, BUT WE HOPE SO SINCE THE SHOWER'S BEEN BOUGHT.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION IS TO MAKE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS A REALITY.
DO WE WANT TO SAY WE'RE, WE'RE RECOMMENDING TO THE MAYOR'S FUND IN HAYSTACK, WE NEED TO SET ASIDE FUNDING, BUT SITTING THERE IN THIS TO, TO PAY FOR THESE THINGS THIS YEAR.
SO, UM, WHEN I ORIGINALLY READ AND THOUGHT ABOUT THE MAYOR'S FUND, I THOUGHT IT WAS NON-PROFIT EXCLUSIVE, BUT THEN I BELIEVE I HEARD DISCUSSION AROUND, NO, THE MAYOR'S FUND IN THE PAST HAS BEEN USED FOR THINGS THAT INVOLVING THE CITY.
OKAY, SO IF THE CITY, SO ONE QUESTION RELATED TO THAT IS WHAT IS THE PROCESS FOR THE CITY TO MAKE THE REQUEST? YOU KNOW, IT'S A NONPROFIT, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THE CITY, IT WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO TAKE A DIFFERENT APPROACH INVOLVED WITH THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
SO IT WOULD HAVE TO COME SORT OF FROM THE COMMITTEE AND HOMELESS SERVICES TO SAY, THIS IS A GOOD IDEA, WE'D LIKE TO TRY IT.
IT USED TO BE THAT, THAT ALL OF OUR MAYOR'S FUND, UM, APPLICANTS, UM, WENT THROUGH THE CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL, BUT WE DON'T DO THAT.
AND THE SECOND THING I WOULD SAY RELATED TO IT IS, UM, FOR, FOR THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS, YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER BOTH THE, THE, THE CAPITAL COSTS, THE COST OF THIS ITEM, THE SHOWERS, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER THE LABOR COSTS, WHICH ARE OFTEN OVER TIME PERIOD, MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE MULTIPLE YEARS.
AND SO IF YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF YOU ONLY WANT IT FOR ONE YEAR TRASH CANS, THEN YOU PRICE IT OUT.
AND IT'S ONLY GONNA BE FOR ONE YEAR.
IF YOU WANT IT FOR MULTIPLE YEARS, MAYBE FIVE, YOU, YOU WOULD HAVE TO, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO PRICE IT OUT FOREVER, BUT, YOU KNOW, AT A GOOD CHUNK OF TIME, FIVE YEARS, YOU WOULD'VE TO SORT OF FIGURE OUT WHAT IS THE, THE CAPITAL COST.
SOME OF THAT'S PROBABLY JUST ONE TIME.
AND THEN WHAT WOULD BE THE LABOR COSTS? UM, IN THIS CASE WITH THE, UH, YOU KNOW, IN THIS CASE WITH THE SHOWERS, THEY'RE PROVIDING THE LABOR, OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE THE LABOR.
I ASSUME THE CITY, THEY'RE NOT JUST GONNA GET THE SHOWERS AND PARK IT IN A LOT.
YEAH, THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA BE USING 'EM, DRIVING THEM AROUND, AND THERE'S GONNA BE STAFFED.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO IF THERE'S HYGIENE CENTERS THAT COULD BE BOUGHT WITH THIS MONEY, COULD THE STAFF ALSO MANAGE THOSE ALONG WITH THE SHOWERS, YOU KNOW, SO THAT THE MONEY IS JUST FOR THE HYGIENE CENTERS.
SO IT, IT INTRIGUES ME AND I THINK YOU COULD DO IT DIFFERENT WAYS IN WAYS THAT WOULDN'T BLOW OUT THE WHOLE 150,000.
UM, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING UPON WHETHER HOUSING HOMELESS SERVICES COULD MANAGE THE HYGIENE CENTERS OR NOT.
AND IF THEY CAN'T, THEN WHAT DOES ONE HYGIENE CENTER COST TO, YOU KNOW, STAFF FOR ONE YEAR? AND THEN YOU'D FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH OF THE MONEY, HOW MUCH OF THE, UH, OF THE 150,000 YOU WOULD WANT TO GO AFTER FOR, I MEAN, YOU COULD PILOT IT ONE YEAR.
I MEAN, IT COULD BE JUST A ONE YEAR PILOT.
I'M IN THIS, I THINK NEED A BIT MORE INFORMATION, RIGHT? BUT I WANTED TO PROPOSE THIS AS AN ACTION THAT WE COULD TAKE ONCE WE KNOW WHAT ARE THE BARRIERS RIGHT NOW, HOW DOES THIS, HOW IS THE SHOWER WORKING? WHAT'S, WHAT ARE THE LOGISTICS? AND THEN WE COULD KNOW, WELL, CAN WE ADD TO IT, CAN WE ADD THE TOILET? SO I, I THINK ONCE WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
WHAT DO YOU THINK, JULIE? YEAH, I
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THINK THERE'S FLEXIBILITY ENOUGH IN THE MAYOR'S FUND AND HOW IT'S ACCESSED.AND, UM, I MEAN, YOU, YOU ALL KNOW THE MONEY IS THERE, SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF DEVELOPING A PROPOSAL THAT WOULD BE, UM, APPROPRIATE.
BECAUSE IT PAINS ME THAT WE'RE SAYING PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TOILETS, PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THIS.
AND THEY LIKE, WELL, WE HAVE A HUNDRED THOUSAND POUNDS.
SO HOW MUCH, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW, HOW I, I'M TRYING TO ENVISION WHAT DID I'VE SEEN, I KNOW DIFFERENT HYGIENE CENTERS, I THINK, BUT WHAT, WHAT IS A HYGIENE CENTER IN THIS CONTEXT IS WE, WE HAD PROPOSED, AND JULIE HAS DIFFERENT MODELS THAT SHE'S KIND OF SHARED OF HYGIENE CENTERS.
WE HAD PROPOSED A, A DA ACCESSIBLE PORTA POTTY.
PORTA POTTY WITH THE OUTSIDE CLEANUPS AND ALL OF THAT STUFF.
UH, SO HOW MUCH DOES ONE OF THOSE COST AND THEN COULD THE CITY AND COULD THAT BE MOVED AROUND WITH THE SHOWERS? COULD, COULD 150,000 COULD WHATEVER, 30,000 PURCHASE ONE OF THESE TO GO WITH.
WE HAD KIND OF SAID THE GREATEST NEED WAS AT NIGHT FOR THE TOILETS AFTER A LOT OF BUSINESSES ARE CLOSED, BUT JULIE OH, I I OR WHATEVER, HOWEVER THEY WANT TO DEPLOY.
I'M, I'M JUST SAYING, UH, NOBODY PURCHASES REALLY PORTA-POTTIES BECAUSE OF THE UPKEEP.
YOU AT LEASE RENT WITH, WITH THE SERVICES.
BECAUSE IT, IT IS QUITE AN INVOLVED OH, I GET THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH WOULD IT COST TO RENT PER MONTH? RIGHT.
AND THEN DOES THE SERVICE DEPLOY IT? I ASSUME THEY PUT IT WHERE IT'S GONNA BE USED AND MANAGE IT AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO MOVE IT, THEY WOULD MOVE IT.
YOU PROBABLY CAN'T MOVE IT EVERY DAY.
THEY'RE PRETTY GOOD AT MOVING IT.
THEY DO IT FOR THE CONCERTS AND THE PARKS.
THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ONE DAY, THEY'RE GONE THE NEXT DAY.
I MEAN, I THINK IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD GO GREAT WITH THE SHOWERS.
'CAUSE THERE'RE GONNA BE PEOPLE WAITING AROUND FOR A SHOWER THAT NEED TO GO TO THE BATHROOM.
NO, WE'RE JUST FINISHING UP ONE.
I DIDN'T REALLY, SO NEXT MEETING, HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE SHOWERS, WHAT'S NEEDED, LOCATIONS, AND THEN MAYBE WE CAN MAKE HYGIENE.
UM, ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS TOPIC? WOO-HOO.
AND THEN OUR LAST ITEM IS WE'VE ALREADY HIT 3:00 PM UH, RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE A DISCUSSION OF FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. UH, MOTION.
UM, AND WHAT ARE OUR FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS? I HAVE ALREADY, UH, WRITTEN DOWN THAT MAYBE, YOU KNOW, FROM PUBLIC COMMENT, MAYBE WE SHOULD LOOK INTO WHAT'S THE PLAN FOR THE OLYMPICS OF PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS.
UM, WE NEED TO GATHER, PROBABLY CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION, RIGHT? ONCE WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT, UM, SHOWERS AND HYGIENE CENTERS.
WHAT, WHAT ELSE FOR OUR FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS? WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DID IT HELP US TO EXPLORE MORE? THIS QUESTION AROUND INCREMENTAL COST OF, YOU KNOW, 5% IMPROVEMENT FROM 27 TO 32% OR HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DO INCREMENTS.
AND THAT REPRESENTS, UH, HOWEVER MANY OF THE 605% OF 600 IS 10% IS 60.
SO, YOU KNOW, NO, NO, A HUNDRED, 120.
NO, THAT'S NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
SO YOU COULD FIGURE OUT SORT OF INCREMENTS HOW MANY, HOW MANY BEDS COSTING OUT FOR CONGREGATE DORMITORY, ET CETERA.
AND THEN, AND THEN, THEN THAT COULD HELP COME BACK TO WHAT IS THE 60 AND 120.
HOW DID YOU CALCULATE THAT? WHAT WERE THE ASSUMPTIONS? ARE THEY MOTEL, BUYING HOTELS OR CONGREGATE? WE WOULD HAVE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE OPTIONS.
ANY OTHER FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS? AND I THINK JOSEPH, YOU TALKED ABOUT, UM, YOU GO BY JOE OR JOSEPH, JOSEPH, WHATEVER'S IN NAME.
DID YOUR MOM CALL YOU JOSEPH
AND SO MAYBE THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS OF DOING IT, UH, THAN WE HAVE ENVISIONED THAT CAN KIND OF HELP US SEGMENT.
IT'S NOT THE IDEAL, BUT HELP US SEGMENT, GET 'EM OUT OF THE RAIN IN THE COLD AT NIGHT.
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SEE.ALRIGHT, SO OTHER MODELS INCLUDING DROP-IN CENTERS.
UM, ANY OTHER AGENDA ITEMS? JOSEPH WANTS TO CHIME IN.
UM, YEAH, JOSEPH PATELLO, ADMINISTRATIVE COORDINATOR AT HOMELESS SERVICES, UH, BUREAU.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO BRING UP A POINT OF CLARIFICATION FROM EARLIER.
'CAUSE THE QUESTION WAS BROUGHT UP IN TERMS OF THE, UH, IN THE REPORT, THE MENTION OF THE, UM, THE SHELTER BEDS AND WHAT THAT INCLUDED AND WHAT THAT DID NOT INCLUDE, ALTHOUGH THEY DID NOT UPDATE IT FOR 2025.
UH, IF YOU GO ON HUD EXCHANGE'S WEBSITE AND LOOK AT THE, UH, HOUSING INVENTORY COUNT, YOU'LL SEE THE, THE FULL BREAKDOWN OF 2024 AND B FOUR.
SO THEY'LL HAVE EVERY SINGLE, EVERY SINGLE PROVIDER, EVERY SINGLE FACILITY NAME AND HOW MANY BEDS, UH, ARE TOTALED IN THERE.
AND SO YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEE THAT RIGHT NOW.
IS, IS THIS, ARE THE CITY BEDS INCLUDED? SORRY? YES, THEY ARE INCLUDED.
SO YEAH, IT SEEMS THAT THEY SEEM TO BE INCLUDED.
SO THREE 10 IS PART OF THE 1,187.
I CAN SHARE THAT WHERE, YEAH, I CAN SHARE THAT WITH GUYS.
THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
YEAH, I FOUND IT DURING THE MEETING.
I DIDN'T NOTE AT THE TIME WHERE I BROUGHT IT UP.
AND THEN PUBLIC COMMENT, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE POLICY SUBCOMMITTEE ON NON AGENDA ITEMS. EACH SPEAKER IS LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES TO MAKE THEIR COMMENTS UNLESS EXTENDED BY THE CHAIR.
ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? SEEING NONE, ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS? ALRIGHT, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED AT THREE 4:00 PM.