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SHORT, WE'RE WITHOUT HAVING TO DO TOO MUCH PAPERWORK, TIMING, UNLESS WE'RE TRYING TO GET A ALL RIGHT, WE CAN RESUME.
SO THESE ARE NOT MEETING MEETINGS.
THIS IS, UH, THIS IS WHERE WE START TO RUN INTO PROBLEMS. THE MOST COMMON IS WITH SERIAL COMMUNICATIONS, RIGHT? SO SERIAL COMMUNICATIONS ARE COMMUNICATIONS THAT INVOLVE LESS THAN A MAJORITY OF THE MEMBERS, BUT OVER TIME, THROUGH CHANNELS, IT ENDS UP INVOLVING, UH, AT LEAST A QUORUM OR A MAJORITY OF THE MEMBERS.
COMMON WAYS THIS HAPPENS, WELL, IT DOESN'T HAPPEN COMMONLY AROUND HERE, BUT COMMON WAYS IT HAPPENS IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS IS WHAT WE CALL HUB AND SPOKE DAISY CHAIN BY REPRESENTATIVE OR THROUGH DIGITAL COMMUNICATIONS.
AND THAT'S KIND OF A NEWER, UH, CONCERN HUB AND SPOKE IS WHEN A MEMBER CONTACTS A MAJORITY OF THE MEMBERS THEMSELVES.
SO IF I WENT, REACHED OUT TO SIX OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY AND I WAS A COMMISSION MEMBER, I'VE NOW ENGAGED IN A DISCUSSION OF OUR SUBJECT MATTER WITH THE MAJORITY OF THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
AND THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN NOTICED AND AGENDIZED AND PROVIDED AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
SO WE JUST VIOLATED THE BROWN ACT.
ANOTHER COMMON CIRCUMSTANCE IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS, UH, MAYBE THE DAISY CHAIN EFFECT, WHERE I SPEAK WITH ONE OF YOU, AND THEN THAT PERSON SPEAKS WITH SOMEONE ELSE AND ON DOWN THE LINE.
AND SOON WE HAVE REACHED A QUORUM.
AND AGAIN, NOW WE HAVE BROWN ACT REQUIREMENTS.
SHOULD HAVE BEEN PUBLIC COMMENT, SHOULD HAVE BEEN NOTICED, SHOULD HAVE BEEN AN AGENDA PUBLISHED.
UH, SO WE DON'T DO THAT BY REPRESENTATIVE.
NOT A TOTALLY DISSIMILAR IDEA.
IF YOU HAVE SOMEONE ACTING ON YOUR BEHALF, IT'S THE SAME AS IF IT WAS YOU DOING IT.
SO IF YOU HAVE, UH, A, A FRIEND OR A STAFFER OR A COLLEAGUE, UH, DISCUSSING CITY BUSINESS, UH, YOUR BUSINESS HERE AT THE COMMISSION ON YOUR BEHALF WITH REPRESENTATIVES FOR OUR FELLOW COMMISSION MEMBERS, OR WITH THE FELLOW COMMISSION MEMBERS THEMSELVES, ALL THESE SAME RULES APPLY.
SO YOU DON'T, CAN'T GET OUT OF DODGE BY HAVING SOMEBODY ELSE DO THE DIRTY WORK FOR YOU.
THIS IS KIND OF THE NEWER, UH, VENUE HERE FOR THESE KINDS OF CONCERNS.
AND THERE'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF CASE LAW EVOLVING ON THIS FRONT.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THESE APPLY, THESE RULES APPLY TO DIGITAL COMMUNICATIONS, INCLUDING NOT JUST EMAILS AND TEXT MESSAGES AND THINGS WE MIGHT THINK OF, BUT ALSO SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS.
SO IF WE MAKE A POST THAT RELATES TO THE MATERIAL OF OUR, OUR, UH, JURISDICTION HERE AT HSAC, AND THEN IT'S COMMENTED ON OR LIKED, OR, UH, RETWEETED OR WHATEVER THE OTHER WORDS ARE, OR SIMILAR BEHAVIORS ON DIFFERENT SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS, UH, IT GETS TO A MAJORITY OF THE COMMISSIONERS.
WE'VE NOW VIOLATED THE BROWN ACT.
SO WE WANNA BE REALLY CIRCUMSPECT ABOUT HOW WE USE SOCIAL MEDIA AS IT RELATES TO OUR JURISDICTION HERE.
SO WHAT CAN WE DO? WELL, WE CAN DO THESE MEETINGS, OBVIOUSLY POST THE AGENDA, GIVE PEOPLE NOTICE OF TIME, PROVIDE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE CAN ALSO HAVE CONTACTS BETWEEN AN INDIVIDUAL AND ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL MEMBER.
WE DON'T START RUNNING INTO PROBLEMS UNTIL WE REACH THAT MAJORITY OF THE APPOINTED COMMISSIONER'S THRESHOLD.
UM, AND SOMETIMES THERE MAY BE A NEED FOR THAT.
UH, AND MEMBERS ARE, OF COURSE, ALLOWED TO SPEAK TO CONT CONSTITUENTS, ADVOCATES, CONSULTANTS, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC MEDIA AND COLLEAGUES, UM, AS LONG AS WE'RE NOT, AGAIN, IMPLICATING ANY OF THE PRIOR LIMITATIONS OR RESTRICTIONS.
SO THERE'S SOME SLIPPERY SLOPES THERE.
UM, IF PEOPLE HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, HAPPY TO DEAL WITH THAT.
UM, WE CAN ALSO GO TO PUBLIC FUNCTIONS AND MEETINGS AND SOCIAL EVENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT TOGETHER, UH, WITHOUT IMPLICATING THE BROWN ACT.
SO LONG AS WE ARE NOT DISCUSSING OUR WORK HERE AT HSAC OR THE JU THE MATTERS WITHIN THE JURISDICTION WE HAVE HERE AT HSAC, REALLY IMPORTANT TO TAKE THESE THINGS SERIOUSLY.
AND WE'RE NOT JUST LOOKING FOR TECHNICAL COMPLIANCE WITH THESE RULES, BUT WE'RE LOOKING TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF OUR ACTIONS AND CONDUCT REALLY PROMOTE THE INTEGRITY AND TRANSPARENCY THAT WE WANT AT THE COMMISSION AND AT THE CITY GENERALLY, RIGHT? SO WE WANNA REFRAIN FROM ENGAGING IN BEHAVIOR HERE, UM, THAT A REASONABLE OBSERVER, MAYBE NOT HAVING ALL THE INFORMATION EVEN, BUT COULD INFER THAT THERE WAS SOME IMPROPER CONDUCT GOING ON.
WHAT HAPPENS IF WE VIOLATE THE BROWN ACT? ONE POOL OF POSSIBLE CONSEQUENCES IS CIVIL ACTIONS.
UM, THEY CAN GET AN INJUNCTION TO PREVENT FUTURE VIOLATIONS.
WE CAN INVALIDATE ACTIONS THAT THE BODY TOOK.
UH, WE CAN BE ORDERED TO PAY COSTS AND ATTORNEY'S FEES AWARDED TO A SUCCESSFUL PARTY.
AND THEN THERE'S POSSIBLE CRIMINAL CONSEQUENCES TOO, IF A PROSECUTOR CAN ESTABLISH THAT THERE WAS AN
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INTENT TO DEPRIVE THE PUBLIC OR TO VIOLATE THE BROWN ACT.SO WE WANT TO JUST STEER WAY FAR AND CLEAR OF ANY OF THESE ISSUES.
AND MY OFFICE IS ALWAYS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER PARTICULAR QUESTIONS.
IF YOU FIND YOURSELF IN A SITUATION WHERE YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE UNCLEAR OR UNCERTAIN, UH, REACH OUT TO OUR OFFICE, REACH OUT TO THE ETHICS OFFICE, PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF FACTUAL INFORMATION.
WE'RE HAPPY TO GUIDE YOU THROUGH THE PROCESS.
AND THAT'S WHAT I HAVE ON THE BROWN ACT.
SO WE'LL TRANSITION TO ROBERT'S RULES.
BROWN ACT TELLS US WHEN AND WHAT WE'RE DOING.
ROBERT'S RULES TELLS US HOW WE'RE GONNA DO IT.
IDEA OF BOTH IS TO ENSURE FAIRNESS, EFFICIENCY, AND TRANSPARENCY.
ROBERT'S RULES IS A PUBLISHED LIST OF PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURES OR, OR SET OF PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURES INTENDED FOR FORTUNE 500 COMPANIES, NONPROFIT GROUPS, SMALL BUSINESSES, AND PUBLIC AGENCIES.
SO THE RULES DON'T DELVE PARTICULARLY INTO THE, THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE BROWN ACT.
AND SOMETIMES, UH, WE HAVE TO RECONCILE THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE TWO.
IF WE'RE JUST PICKING UP A COPY OF ROBERT'S RULES, YOU SHOULD UNDERSTAND THAT NOT ALL OF THOSE RULES ARE INTENDED TO APPLY TO PUBLIC AGENCIES.
UM, AND SO WE CAN'T DO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT PRIVATE CORPORATIONS CAN DO UNLESS WE RUN INTO CONFLICTS WITH THE BROWN ACT.
BUT WE USE ROBERT'S RULES TO CONTROL THE ORDER AND PROCEDURES THAT WE USE AT OUR COMMISSION MEETING.
IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT, UM, BASIC PRINCIPLES HERE.
DECISIONS ARE MADE BY A MAJORITY VOTE.
THE COMMISSION, UH, IS, IS SET TASKED WITH BEING ORDERLY AND EFFICIENT AND RESPECTIVE OF THE PUBLIC RIGHTS AT EACH OF THESE MEETINGS, THAT ALL MEMBERS AND VIEWPOINTS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE AND BE HEARD, THAT THE QUO REMAINS RESPECTFUL, EVEN WHEN THERE'S DISAGREEMENTS AMONG COMMISSION MEMBERS, WHICH IS NOT A BAD THING.
UM, AND FINALLY, THESE RULES ARE ALL DESIGNED TO HELP NOT HINDER THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
SO THE ROLE OF THE CHAIR WHO'S DOING A FANTASTIC JOB IS TO INTRODUCE BUSINESS IN THE PROPER ORDER FOR THE AGENDA.
GET THROUGH THE AGENDA ITEMS IN A TIMELY AND ORGANIZED MANNER.
HELP CLARIFY THE MOTION, IF THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT THE MOTION IS, UH, AND TRACK IF THERE'S FRIENDLIES OR SUBSTITUTES AND ALTERNATE MOTIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
KEEP DISCUSSION FOCUSED ON AGENDA ITEMS, UH, AND ENCOURAGE THE QUORUM AT ALL TIMES.
IMPOSING, UH, FAIR TIME LIMITS FOR OUR COMMISSIONERS AS WELL AS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE GOTTA MAKE SURE THAT THE DECISIONS THAT WE MAKE ARE CLEAR.
THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT COMES UP A LOT IN THIS COMMISSION.
SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS MORE WITH LIKE PLANNING COMMISSION WHERE THERE'S LOTS OF COVENANTS THAT RUN WITH REAL ESTATE DEALS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT WE ALL WANNA BE CLEAR ON WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON.
SPEAKING CHAIR HAS A ROLE IN ENSURING THAT.
AND I THINK THE REST OF THESE BULLET POINTS HERE ARE A LITTLE PARTICULAR, BUT ADDRESS THE SAME KINDS OF ISSUES WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
SO AS WE PROCEED THROUGH THE AGENDA, COMMISSIONER WILL RECOGNIZE IF SOMEONE MAKES A MOTION, WE'LL THEN GET OUR SECOND, THE MOTION.
THERE'S THEN OPPORTUNITY FOR DELIBERATION.
AND THERE'S ALWAYS 'CAUSE OF THE BROWN ACT OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE FINAL VOTE IS TAKEN.
THE CHAIR MUST CALL FOR A PUBLIC VOTE.
WE DON'T DO ANY SECRET VOTING ON ANY PUBLIC COMMISSIONS.
IF THE VOTE IS A TIE, THE MOTION FAILS.
SO SOMETIMES IT'S, NOW WE HAVE SIX.
IT REQUIRES A MAJORITY TO MOVE A MOTION FORWARD.
IF WE ENDED UP THREE, THREE, IT'S NOT A MAJORITY.
AND THE MOTION FAILS AND WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM.
AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION.
IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS NOW AND A PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND THEN YOU CAN TAKE YOUR FINAL BOOK.
CAN WE GET A RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE PRESENTATION FROM THE ETHICS DEPARTMENT AND THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ON 2026 ANNUAL ETHICS UPDATE, INCLUDING THE BROWN ACT AND ROBERTS RULES OF ORDER? CAN I GET A MOTION? I'LL MOVE.
ANY, UH, QUICK QUESTIONS FOR THE COMMISSION? NO.
THIS WAS A LOT QUICKER THAN I WAS FEARFUL IT WAS GOING TO BE.
AND I DON'T WANT TO DISTRACT US FROM, WE'VE GOT A, IN MY OPINION, A MAJOR AGENDA ITEM THAT WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT AT THIS MEETING.
UM, HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE BOTH RAISED A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR ME.
ONE OF THEM IS IN WITH THE GOAL BEING TRANSPARENCY AND RECOGNITION THAT WE REPRESENT THE PUBLIC.
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UH, SOME OF US ARE DESIGNATED AS DISTRICT REPRESENTATIVES, OTHERS ARE AT LARGE.UH, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE ARE SUPPOSED TO HELP BE A VOICE FOR WHAT THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT.
UH, WHEN WE HAVE OUR MEETINGS, OUR, MY EXPERIENCE IS THAT WE OFTEN DO NOT HAVE TIME TO DISCUSS PRESENTATIONS, REPORTS, UH, SO THAT I FEEL THERE POTENTIALLY IS THIS LACK OF THE PUBLIC AND THE RESIDENTS VOICE, UH, BEING AVAILABLE TO THE STAFF AND ALSO TO PEOPLE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO COME.
SO MY QUESTION IS, CAN YOU AT SOME POINT NOT TODAY, SHARE WITH US AS THE HSAC THE TOOLS AND RESOURCES AND TECHNIQUES THAT YOU ARE AWARE OF, OF HOW TO HAVE TIMELY PRESENTATIONS,
SO I WOULD ASK THAT YOU FIGURE OUT THE WAY TO SHARE THAT WITH US.
THE SECOND THING THAT I WANTED TO ASK FOR, UH, MAYBE NOT TODAY, BUT AT ANOTHER TIME, UM, IN TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT, UH, INVOLVED IN SOME OF THESE PROHIBITED, UH, COMMUNICATIONS OF THE HUB AND SPOKE AND DAISY CHAIN.
UM, I UNDERSTAND THE, THE LIMITATION OF US REACHING OUT TO EACH OTHER.
YOU, YOU ALSO MENTIONED THAT WE ARE NOT TO TALK ABOUT HSAC BUSINESS.
AND I, I WOULD LIKE A CLARIFICATION, UH, IF THAT MEANS ITEMS THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY ON AN AGENDA.
UH, AND IF SO, IF THAT'S WHAT IT MEANS, THEN WE DO HAVE THE RIGHT, UH, TO TALK TO EACH OTHER UNDER THE, THE LIMITATIONS OF THE BROWN ACT.
BUT THAT WE DO HAVE THE RIGHT TO REACH OUT TO EACH OTHER IN BETWEEN MEETINGS, GET TO KNOW EACH OTHER, AND ALSO GET EDUCATED FROM EACH OTHER ABOUT HOW HOMELESSNESS AND HOUSING IMPACTS US AND OUR NEIGHBORS.
AND AGAIN, NOT TO TALK ABOUT SPECIFIC POLICY QUESTIONS, NOT TO TRY AND GATHER VOTES, BUT TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF EXACTLY HOW THE ISSUES THAT WE ARE RESPONSIBLE TO HAVE COMMENTS AND EXPERTISE TO, TO CONTRIBUTE, UH, TO HAVE A BROAD UNDERSTANDING.
AND IF WE CAN DO THIS OUTSIDE OF OUR EEC MEETINGS.
SO FIRST QUESTION, SHORT ANSWER, YES, HAPPY TO DO THAT.
WE HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM HERE TODAY, EIGHT TO, TO APPROVE FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. UM, AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DISCUSSED THERE.
YEAH, THAT'S A, IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
UM, AND IT IS MORE COMPLEX ON THESE TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARDS BECAUSE Y'ALL ARE INVOLVED IN THE HOMELESS SERVICES WORLD AND YOU'RE NOT PRECLUDED FROM CONTINUING TO DO THAT WORK AND HAVE THOSE NECESSARY CONVERSATIONS BECAUSE YOU'RE ON HSAC.
THE LIMITATION SHOULD BE UNDERSTOOD AS, UM, IF YOU'RE DISCUSSING THE INTENTIONS OF THE BOARD OR PLANS FOR THE BOARD OR EMOTIONS YOU WANT TO BRING, OR IT DOESN'T, IT IS BROADER THAN THINGS THAT ARE AGENDIZED.
IT'S NOT LIMITED ONLY TO THE THINGS THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA.
BUT IF YOU'RE TALKING IN YOUR CAPACITY STRATEGIZING AS A REPRESENTATIVE ON THIS COMMISSION, THAT NEEDS TO BE NOTICED, THAT NEEDS TO BE AGENDIZED.
THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY.
IF LEANNA, YOU WANT TO SIT WITH STEVEN AND HAVE A CUP OF COFFEE AND TALK ABOUT HIS EXPERIENCES, UH, WORKING IN THE AREA, ABSOLUTELY FINE, ENCOURAGED, GOOD IDEA.
I WOULD, THE POSSIBILITY FOR A SLIPPERY SLOPE HERE WOULD BE YOU AND STEVEN IDENTIFY SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE BOTH PASSIONATE AND INTERESTED ABOUT.
YOU ENGAGE IN A BIG CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT.
IF YOU THEN SIT DOWN WITH ANGELA AND SAY, I MET WITH STEVEN AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS THING AND WE NEED TO FIND A WAY FOR HSAC TO GET INVOLVED IN THIS OR ADVISE ON THIS.
NOW WE'RE, YOU'RE STILL ONLY AT THREE RIGHT NOW, BUT I WOULD CAUTION YOU EVEN HERE, THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT WAY TO FRAME THAT CONVERSATION.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? THANK YOU.
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THANK YOU.SO, UH, ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS AGENDA ITEM? SEE, NONE.
WE'RE NOW ON THE MAYOR'S FUND.
ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASS THIS.
ALRIGHT, WE'RE ON ITEM NUMBER THREE.
SHE COMES BACK AT, UH, FOUR 30 AND SHE'S JUST HERE.
SHE STEPPED, STEPPED OUT FOR A PHONE CALL EXPERIE IN THE LAST 30 MINUTES.
SO ARE WE ABLE TO MOVE THAT OR SWAP IT OUT WITH A DIFFERENT, YEAH, MAYBE WE CAN MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
OKAY, SO TABLE THREE, MOVING TO FOUR.
YEAH, TABLE THREE AND ONE TO FOUR.
ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE MOVING ON TO THE, UM, DO I NEED DO A MOTION FOR THAT? DOES IT HELP IF I MAKE A MOTION TO IT? NO, WE'RE MOVE ON TO TALKED ABOUT.
WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
I'M ON COME BACK AGENDA ON NUMBER THREE AFTER.
OH, OH, WE'LL COME BACK PAT, WE'LL COME BACK.
I DON'T HAVE MUCH TO SAY ANYWAY.
WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO, UH, ITEM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
AND WE'RE TO HERE TO RESPECT TO COUNCIL MEMBERS CONCERNING THE 2025 POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS.
THE, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THIS.
LET'S GO FIRST AND A SECOND TO START THE CONVERSATION.
I MOVE THAT WE SECOND APPROVE.
UM, SO I'M TRYING TO TRACK THIS.
SO WE, AS MY RECOLLECTION IS WE WENT AROUND, MANY PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT WHAT THEY DID.
I THINK THERE'S SOME TRACKING THIS, AND THEN THERE'S BEEN AN EMAIL AND, UM, SO I'M KIND OF AT A LOSS.
WHAT ARE, WHERE ARE WE GOING WITH THIS? SORRY.
SO WE DID, UH, DO THIS AGENDA ITEM LAST, UH, MEETING, BUT NOT EVERYBODY GOT A CHANCE TO SPEAK.
I THINK NOT EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO MEET WITH THEIR COUNCIL MEMBERS.
SO I ONLY GOT ONE EMAIL RESPONSE FROM PAM.
UM, I'M NOT SURE IF THERE WAS ANY OTHER MEMBERS THAT WANTED TO SPEAK THAT DIDN'T GET A CHANCE.
LAST MEETING ASIDE FROM PAM? NO.
GIVE A BRIEF UPDATE? I, UM, I WASN'T SURE HOW MANY, UH, COUNSEL, UM, PERSONS.
HOW MUCH, HOW MANY ARE STILL? WE HAVE FOUR.
SO I DID MEET HOW MANY COUNCIL MEMBERS, UM, COUNCIL PERSON, WHICH IS DISTRICT TWO, UM, COUNCIL MEMBERS, ALLEN, WE HAD A ZOOM, UM, IN MARCH, EARLY MARCH.
AND, UM, SHE VERY MUCH SUPPORTS OUR RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE PUT IN FRONT OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
AND SHE SUPPORTS, UM, WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING ON EACH STAFF, OUR DISCUSSIONS WE HAVE, SHE'S ON BOARD WITH US.
AND, UM, I TALKED TO HER ABOUT THE MOBILE SHOWER, JUST HER, LIKE IF SHE HAD TALKED TO ANY OF HER CONSTITUENTS.
UM, I DO LIVE LIKE AT THE VERY TOP OF D TWO.
UM, SO WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BETTER LOCATIONS FOR THE MOBILE SHOWER AND WE BOTH AGREED TOVA PARK, BECAUSE IT HAS WATER HOOKUP NOW, SEWER HOOKUP.
AND IT ACTUALLY HAS LIKE AN AREA WHERE OTHER TIMES WHEN I'VE DONE MOBILE SHOWERS, WE ALSO MAYBE LIKE QUARTERLY WOULD BRING IN SOME OTHER ORGANIZATIONS.
SO WE DISCUSSED THAT SHE WAS ON BOARD WITH THAT TOO.
UM, SO IT WAS GOOD CONVERSATION SUPPORT THERAPY.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU GIVE US A, A LIST OF WHO WE'VE, WHICH DISTRICTS HAVE HAD THE CONVERSATIONS AND WHICH ONES? YEAH, I'LL SEND THAT OUT TO YOU GUYS.
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IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT, IT'S A RECOMMENDATION.SO THERE'S NO OBLIGATION, I THINK, TO GET TO EVERYBODY.
NO, IT'S A, YOU KNOW, A REQUEST AND WE SHARE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COMMITTEE? NO.
ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS AGENDA ITEM? UH, GO AHEAD NATALIE.
JUST, JUST, JUST REAL QUICKLY, I, I WOULD DISAGREE WITH YOU IN TERMS OF YOUR STATEMENT THAT IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN NOMINATED BY THAT PERSON TO REPRESENT THEM TO THE PAYS ACT AND COME BACK AND TELL THEM.
AND I WOULD EXPECT THAT EACH OF YOU ARE COMMUNICATING ON A REGULAR BASIS TO THE, UH, TO YOUR COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVE, LETTING THEM KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING AT THE COMMITTEE AND FOR THEM TO HAVE AT LEAST SOME KNOWLEDGE AS TO WHAT YOUR PERSPECTIVES ARE AS TO BRINGING POLICY TO THE CITY COUNCIL REGARDING WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE, IN OUR COMMUNITY.
ANY OTHER ME? ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? SEE NONE.
MOVING ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE.
UPDATES FOR THE CITY LONG BEACH RENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM AND THE 5 82 EMERGENCY HOUSING VOUCHERS FROM THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
ALRIGHT, LET'S GET UP FIRST AND A SECOND.
UH, SO THERE WAS A REQUEST TO GIVE AN UPDATE REGARDING, UH, WHAT'S HAPPENING AROUND THE EMERGENCY HOUSING VOUCHERS, UM, AND WHERE THINGS ARE AT AS FAR AS, UM, THE 582 VOUCHERS THAT WERE, UH, BASICALLY GRANTED THAT THE CITY AS PART OF THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT, UM, BACK IN 2021.
SO WE AS A CITY RECEIVED ONE OF THE LARGEST ALLOCATIONS OVER 70,000 THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES.
UH, POPULATION WISE, WE WERE ONE OF THE LARGEST RECIPIENTS FOR, UH, A NUMBER OF VOUCHERS IN COMPARISON TO POPULATION.
WE WERE ABLE TO UTILIZE THOSE VOUCHERS EFFECTIVELY.
IT WAS REALLY MEANT TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE INSTABILITY THAT WAS HAPPENING WITHIN THE, UM, THE COUNTRY AT THAT TIME.
THE ECONOMIC IMPACTS, THE POTENTIAL FOR DISPLACEMENT OF HOUSING, LOSS OF JOBS.
UH, SO THESE EMERGENCY HOUSING VOUCHERS WERE ISSUED TO EACH HOUSING AUTHORITY THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.
UM, AND THEN UP TO EACH JURISDICTION TO IMPLEMENT, TO MATCH PEOPLE, UH, AND TO UTILIZE THE VOUCHERS THAT, UM, WERE ISSUED AT THAT TIME.
UH, SINCE THE NEW ADMINISTRATION AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL HAS COME IN, UH, OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE CHANGING AND SHIFTING PRIORITIES AS FAR AS POLICIES AT A FEDERAL LEVEL.
UM, IT WAS IDENTIFIED THAT THERE WERE PROPOSALS AROUND REDUCTION OF A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT, UH, PROGRAMS THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT.
UH, THIS WAS A ONE TIME ALLOCATION THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT WAS PASSED, WAS INTENDED TO BE A 10 YEAR PROGRAM.
THERE WAS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY PUT FORWARD WITHIN THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN, UH, BUT IT WAS NOT ENOUGH FOR THE FULL 10 YEARS OF WHAT WAS INITIALLY MESSAGED.
UH, SO WITHIN THE BUDGET CYCLE OVER THE LAST, UH, TWO YEARS, THERE HAS NOT BEEN ADDITIONAL MONEY PUT INTO THESE SPECIFIC VOUCHERS, THE, THE EMERGENCY HOUSING VOUCHERS.
UH, AND THEREFORE WE ARE AT A SITUATION WHERE, UH, THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING NEVER DEVELOPMENT WITH THE CURRENT BUDGET WILL COME TO AN END OF, UH, ITS FUNDING TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE RENTAL ASSISTANCE TO THE EMERGENCY HOUSING VOUCHERS.
UM, THERE HAS BEEN ADVOCACY, THERE HAS BEEN PUSH, THERE'S EFFORTS TO LOOK AT THIS, EFFORTS TO ASK FOR RECONSIDERATION.
UH, THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF DIFFERENT PROPOSALS THAT HAVE HAPPENED FROM OUR EXECUTIVE ACT VERSUS OUR, UH,
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CONGRESSIONAL BRANCH OF THE GOVERNMENT AND WHAT PRIORITIES LOOK LIKE.SO THERE HAS BEEN SOME CHANGES IN MOVEMENTS OVER TIME.
HOWEVER, WE ARE STILL IN A SITUATION WHERE THERE IS NOT FUNDING TO SUSTAIN THESE 582 EMERGENCY HOUSING VOUCHERS, AS WELL AS WE DO NOT HAVE THE FUNDING AT THIS TIME WITHIN THE LONG BEACH HOUSING AUTHORITY TO SHIFT TO THOSE IN THESE VOUCHERS TO OTHER, UH, RENTAL VOUCHERS THROUGH THE HOUSING AUTHORITY.
SO WHAT THAT MEANS FOR THE CURRENT, UH, THESE VOUCHERS THAT WE RECEIVED THROUGH EMERGENCY HOUSING VOUCHER PROGRAM, THEY WERE NOT REIS ISSUABLE.
SO IF SOMEBODY WERE TO MOVE OUT, THEY WERE TO GRADUATE FROM THE PROGRAM BECAUSE THEY WERE MAKING TOO MUCH MONEY.
THEY WERE, YOU KNOW, UH, THEY WERE TO POTENTIALLY PASS AWAY.
SO THERE HAS BEEN SOME NATURAL TURNOVER OVER THE LAST, UH, FIVE YEARS WITHIN THIS PROGRAM.
UNFORTUNATELY, AS PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, UH, WERE NO LONGER ABLE TO USE THEIR VOUCHER, WE WERE NOT ABLE TO REISSUE.
SO THAT MEANS THERE ARE A LITTLE OVER 500 HOUSEHOLDS CURRENTLY BEING ASSISTED IN LONG BEACH THROUGH THE EMERGENCY HOUSING VOUCHER PROGRAM.
UM, WE HAVE NOTIFIED THESE HOUSEHOLDS THROUGH THE HOUSING AUTHORITY.
UNFORTUNATELY, THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO JOIN US TODAY.
UH, SO PASSING ALONG INFORMATION FROM THEM.
UH, SO ALL HOUSEHOLDS AND LANDLORDS WERE NOTIFIED ON MARCH 19TH, UH, FOR VIA MAIL THAT WAS SENT OUT TO EVERYBODY.
UM, THAT EITHER WAS A LANDLORD RENTING A UNIT WITHIN THE PROGRAM OR THE PARTICIPANT RECEIVING THE ASSISTANCE WITHIN THE PROGRAM.
NOTICE WAS WERE SENT IN THE THRESHOLD LANGUAGES OF THE CITY, UH, NOTIFYING THEM TO AS OF THE STATUS, UH, WE ARE STILL KIND OF DETERMINING, YOU KNOW, LOCALLY AS WELL AS ON A FEDERAL LEVEL, HOW FAR THE FUNDING WILL STRETCH.
UH, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS AS WELL AS SPEND DOWN FROM OTHER COMMUNITIES AND POTENTIAL OF, UH, ADDITIONAL FUNDING BEING SHIFTED FROM A HOUSING AUTHORITY THAT IS UNDERSPENT IN AREAS TO US.
UH, FUNDS ARE EXPECTED TO LAST US THROUGH OCTOBER OF THIS YEAR.
SO WE ARE IN A MOMENT WHERE WITHOUT SOME SORT OF INTERVENTION OF SOME SORT, WHETHER THAT BE AT A FEDERAL, STATE OR LOCAL LEVEL, UH, WE ARE IN A SITUATION WHERE PEOPLE'S ASSISTANCE WILL END.
THERE WAS AN ALLOCATION FROM CONGRESS WITHIN THIS YEAR'S, UH, HUD BUDGET THAT WAS, UH, FUNDING FOR TRANSITIONAL VOUCHERS, UH, BASED ON OUR CALCULATIONS THAT COULD CARRY ABOUT 125 HOUSEHOLDS.
HOW WE PRIORITIZE AND DETERMINE WHAT HOUSEHOLD OF 500 HOUSEHOLDS RECEIVES THE TRANSITION VOUCHER.
THAT'S A BIGGER QUESTION AT THIS MOMENT THAT WE HAVE NOT, UH, GOTTEN TO.
UH, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT, BUT IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO SUSTAIN EVERYBODY.
SO FOR HOW LONG WOULD THIS, UH, THOSE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE AN, THERE'S NOT A CLEAR DATE.
IT'S A ONE YEAR ALLOCATION, SO IT WILL COVER THE FOLLOWING YEAR BEYOND OCTOBER, 2026.
UM, BEYOND THAT, IT WILL BE UP TO HUD TO DETERMINE, OR WILL BE UP TO CONGRESS TO DETERMINE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THEY CONTINUE TO FUND THOSE TRANSITION VOUCHERS.
UH, WE WILL BE, CONTINUE TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS, UH, HOMELESS SERVICES ALONG WITH THE HOUSING AUTHORITY DOES MEET SEVERAL TIMES A MONTH TO DISCUSS AND CONTINUE TO LOOK AT WHAT ARE OUR OPPORTUNITIES, WHAT'S HAPPENING WITHIN OTHER COMMUNITIES.
ARE THERE OPPORTUNITIES FOR, UH, CONTINUED ADVOCACY AROUND THESE VOUCHERS AND THESE HOUSEHOLDS? UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT OTHER RESOURCES MAY BE AVAILABLE TO AT LEAST PROVIDE SOME LEVEL OF ADDITIONAL TRANSITION FOR HOUSEHOLD IF THERE IS NOT FUNDING COME THE END OF OCTOBER, OR IF IT'S SLIGHTLY NOVEMBER OR DECEMBER.
UH, BUT ONCE THAT MONEY IS NO LONGER AVAILABLE TO CONTINUE TO PAY RENT, IS THERE ANOTHER FUNDING SOURCE THAT POTENTIALLY COULD COME IN? UH, THOSE ARE CONVERSATIONS THAT ARE HAPPENING ON A COUNTY LEVEL AS WELL.
UH, 'CAUSE THERE ARE OVER, UH, I THINK 35 OR SO, A HUNDRED OR SO EMERGENCY HOUSING VOUCHERS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY IN THE VARIOUS, UH, HOUSING AUTHORITIES.
SO THE IMPACT ACROSS THE COUNTY IS, IS SIGNIFICANT.
3,500 VOUCHERS, POTENTIALLY 3,500 PEOPLE ROUGHLY, THAT WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PAY THEIR RENT.
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WE'VE LOOKED AT IT, THERE ARE PROBABLY 20 OR SO HOUSEHOLDS THAT PROBABLY COULD SUSTAIN THEIR RENT WITHOUT THE HOUSING AUTHORITY PORTION OF THE RENT.THE HOUSING AUTHORITY IS, YOU KNOW, IT PROVIDES A CERTAIN AMOUNT BASED ON THE INCOME OF THE HOUSEHOLD BEING ASSISTED.
UH, THERE ARE ABOUT 20 HOUSEHOLDS WHERE THAT ASSISTANCE ISN'T A LOT OF MONEY, SO THOSE HOUSEHOLDS MIGHT BE ABLE TO SUSTAIN, BUT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE LARGE MAJORITY, 480 OR SO HOUSEHOLDS THAT WILL, IT'S HIGHLY UNLIKELY THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO SUSTAIN THEIR CURRENT RENT WITH THEIR, UH, INCOME WITHOUT SOME SORT OF SUBSIDY COMING IN.
SO, UH, THERE IS SIGNIFICANT CONCERN OF WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE SO MANY HOUSEHOLDS LOSING THEIR ASSISTANCE AT THE SAME TIME.
UH, OCTOBER DOES ALIGN WITH THE NEXT YEAR'S, YOU KNOW, FEDERAL BUDGET.
THESE ARE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, THE CITY WILL BE TALKING ABOUT.
IT IS WITHIN OUR, UH, ADVOCACY POLICY PRIORITIES AS A CITY.
UH, WE WILL CONTINUE TO ADVOCATE AT ALL LEVELS WE CAN FOR ASSISTANCE IN BEING ABLE TO MEET THIS NEED.
UM, AND WE'LL BE TALKING TO OUR REPRESENTATIVES AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL.
UH, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT COMMUNITY, UH, GROUPS INCLUDING HOUSING AUTHORITY, UH, ASSOCIATIONS THAT DO, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE ADVOCACY AND UNDERSTANDING OF THE IMPACT AT A FEDERAL LEVEL.
UH, SO THEY WILL CONTINUE TO SPEAK OF EMERGENCY HOUSING VOUCHERS.
UH, ONE THING THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY DOING IS ALL EHP HOUSEHOLDS WILL BE ADDED TO THE HOUSING CHOICE VOUCHER WAIT LIST, UH, VIA AN APPROVED HUD WAIVER.
SO WE HAVE GOTTEN A WAIVER ALLOWING US TO MOVE PEOPLE ON EHPS ONTO OUR HOUSING CHOICE VOUCHER LIST.
THE CHALLENGE AT THE MOMENT IS WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH VOUCHERS TO MOVE, YOU KNOW, THE 500 HOUSEHOLDS.
UH, WHAT HAPPENS OVER THE COMING SIX MONTHS OR SO? UH, AS FAR AS POTENTIAL VOUCHER AVAILABILITY, HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE SOME SHIFT THAT WE'RE ABLE TO PICK UP, UM, SOME HOUSEHOLDS ALONG WITH, UH, THE TRANSITIONAL VOUCHERS SO THAT WE ARE ABLE TO SUSTAIN, YOU KNOW, A PORTION OF THE 500 HOUSEHOLDS WHILE WE LOOK AT OTHER RESOURCES AND CONTINUE ADVOCACY ELSEWHERE.
UH, BUT WE ARE, WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT CONCERN AT THIS MOMENT AROUND WHAT HAPPENS TO THESE 500 HOUSEHOLDS.
UH, WE ARE CONTINUING TO PROVIDE ENGAGEMENT THROUGH OUR INTENSIVE CASE MANAGEMENT SERVICE PROVIDERS, UH, AS WELL AS THROUGH THE HOUSING AUTHORITY AND ANSWERING QUESTIONS FROM LANDLORDS AND TENANTS AS THEY COME IN.
UH, HOWEVER, THERE IS NO DEFINITIVE ANSWER OF HOW THIS GETS ADDRESSED AT THIS TIME, OTHER THAN WE ARE LOOKING, WE ARE ADVOCATING, WE ARE EXPLORING ALL OPTIONS TO, UH, TRY NOT TO HAVE 500 PEOPLE DISPLACED DUE TO NOT BEING ABLE TO PLAY RENT.
UM, BUT THERE IS NO CLEAR ANSWER AT THIS MOMENT OTHER THAN A COMMITMENT TO CONTINUE TO LOOK AND ADVOCATE WHERE WE CAN.
AND THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT ON EMERGENCY HOUSING VOUCHERS.
SO AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AND CONVERSATION, BUT SO WE'RE EXPLORING, UM, YOU KNOW, SHARED HOUSING RIGHT OPPORTUNITY, POSSIBLY.
I MEAN, THAT IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE WILL LOOK AT AS, YOU KNOW, IF PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO TAKE ON A ROOMMATE SITUATION THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO SUSTAIN MORE PEOPLE IN THEIR, THEIR RENT PERSON OBVIOUSLY HAS TO BE OPEN TO THAT.
THE LANDLORD WOULD HAVE TO BE OPEN TO AMENDING THEIR LEASE AS WELL.
UH, BUT IT IS AN OPTION THAT PEOPLE COULD EXPLORE IS, YOU KNOW, A SHARED HOUSING APPROACH.
UM, I HAVE A COUPLE OF EDUCATE ME QUESTIONS.
UH, THE, THE LEASES, I'M ASSUMING THERE ARE LEASES WITH THESE LANDLORDS THAT ARE USING THE EHV VOUCHERS.
ARE THEY, UH, YEARLY LEASES? SO THE HOUSING AUTHORITY REQUIRES THAT THE INITIAL LEASE THAT ANYBODY ENTERS INTO IS AT LEAST 12 MONTHS RENEWABLE BY AT LEAST ONE MONTH.
THERE ARE PROBABLY A LOT OF PEOPLE OF THAT 500 HOUSEHOLDS THAT HAVE BEEN AT A UNIT FOR, YOU KNOW, TWO, THREE YEARS
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AND THEY'RE JUST ON A MONTH TO MONTH RECURRING LEASE.SO THEY MIGHT HAVE A ANNUAL LEASE THAT EXTENDS BEYOND OCTOBER, 2025.
UH, BUT THE LIKELIHOOD IS THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ARE ON A LEASE CURRENTLY THAT'S MONTHLY.
SO THAT'S LEADS TO, UH, A CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS YOU, YOU SAY HERE IN YOUR REPORT THAT YOU SENT NOTICE TO THE LANDLORDS AND TO THE TENANTS, ARE THERE ANY PROTECTIONS TO PREVENT THESE LANDLORDS FROM EVICTING THESE, THESE TENANTS RIGHT NOW? YEAH, THE, AN EVICTION OF A TENANT BASED ON THIS NOTIFICATION WOULD, YOU KNOW, WOULD TRIGGER A, UM, A VIOLATION OF THE EVICTION PROTECTIONS THAT THE CITY HAS.
THOSE WOULD NOT FALL INTO A SUBSTANTIAL REMODEL.
THEY, YOU KNOW, THERE IS NO, I MEAN, IT DOESN'T, A LANDLORD COULD DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TRUTHFULLY.
HOWEVER, THE PERSON WOULD HAVE LEGAL RECOURSE AT THAT POINT TO WORK WITH ONE OF OUR LEGAL AID PROVIDERS TO GO AND SAY, I'M NOT BEHIND ON RENT.
THERE IS NO CURRENT SITUATION AS FAR AS SUBSTANTIAL REMODEL.
THERE'S NOT A BEHAVIORAL ISSUE THAT CAME UP.
YOU CANNOT JUST EVICT ME DUE TO, YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT THERE IS UNCERTAINTY PAST OCTOBER OF THIS YEAR IS PAUL IS THERE.
IT DOES OUR EXISTING SYSTEM THAT'S SUPPOSED TO IMPLEMENT AND ENFORCE THOSE RENTER PROTECTIONS AGAINST UNFAIR EVICTIONS, IS IT STAFFED AND CAPABLE OF DEALING WITH LITERALLY HUNDREDS OF, OF TENANTS AND THEIR FAMILIES THAT MIGHT IN FACT NOW HAVE TO HAVE TO AVAIL THEMSELVES OF THE LEGAL SYSTEM? YEAH, IT IS UNLIKELY THAT HUNDREDS OF LANDLORDS ARE GOING TO ALL OF A SUDDEN DECIDE TO EVICT, LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE HOUSING AUTHORITY HAS ADDITIONAL MONITORING AND PROTECTIONS.
THE HOUSING AUTHORITY WOULD BE THE FIRST LINE TO STEP IN AND GO, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS A VIOLATION.
UM, THERE IS CONTRACTS WITH, UH, THE LEGAL AID FOUNDATION OF LOS ANGELES FOR HOMELESS PREVENTION, UH, ASSISTANCE AND LEGAL ASSISTANCE.
UH, AND THEY ALSO SUBCONTRACT WITH BASTA.
UH, THOSE ARE PROGRAMS THAT ARE AVAILABLE.
UM, THEY HAVE HAD INCREASED STAFFING OVER THE LAST, UH, YEAR OR SO, SO THEY HAVE MORE CAPACITY THAN THEY HAD IN THE PAST.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WHAT HAPPENS COME POST OCTOBER AND IF PEOPLE AREN'T ABLE TO PAY AND THEY DO NOT WANNA MOVE OUT AND THERE IS NOT AN AGREEMENT AROUND THE LEASE AND THE PERSON'S NOT ABLE TO PAY WHAT HAPPENS PREVENTION WISE AND EVICTIONS FROM THERE IS A MUCH BIGGER QUESTION.
AND YES, THERE WOULD BE CONCERN ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE'S ABILITY TO REGAIN REPRESENTATION AT THAT POINT AS WELL AS THEY WOULD BE IN A SITUATION WHERE THEY HAVEN'T PAID, WHERE THERE ARE NOT LEGAL PROTECTIONS AROUND EVICTIONS.
SO I HAVE A COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS.
THE, THE LANDLORDS THAT HAVE BEEN PARTICIPATING IN THE EHB VOUCHER, WHAT'S THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF THEM? ARE, ARE THEY LANDLORDS THAT HAVE 50 OR MORE UNITS? ARE THEY LANDLORDS THAT ONLY HAVE THE SMALLER APARTMENT BUILDINGS? YEAH, UNFORTUNATELY I DO NOT HAVE THE DEMOGRAPHICS.
THAT'D BE A QUESTION FOR THE HOUSING AUTHORITY, BUT, UH, WE CAN TAKE THAT BACK AND TRY TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE MAKEUP OF OUR LANDLORDS.
THEY DO TRY TO COLLECT SOME INFORMATION AROUND THEIR LANDLORDS, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, ARE THEY A MULTI-PROPERTY OWNER OR ARE THEY SINGLE PROPERTY OWNER? UH, AND THERE ARE DEFINITELY A MIX OF LANDLORDS AND THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT THEY HAVE AND THE SIZE OF THEIR OPERATIONS, UH, ACROSS THE HOUSING AUTHORITY.
SO WE CAN GET A BETTER BREAKDOWN OF THAT.
THE OTHER, IT'S NOT A QUESTION, I GUESS IT'S A CON WELL, IT IS A QUESTION.
I UNDERSTAND, AND I'M THRILLED TO HEAR THAT.
OF COURSE, YOU AND THE CITY AND OTHER ALLIES ARE ADVOCATING ALREADY LIKE HELL TO FIND OTHER SOURCES TO CONTINUE SOME KIND OF A, OF A VOUCHER PROGRAM FOR THESE FAMILIES.
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DOES THE HOUSING AUTHORITY, AND DO YOU AS OUR HOMELESS SERVICES STAFF, ARE YOU COORDINATING WITH, FOR EXAMPLE, THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, WHICH IS JUST RECENTLY HAS RECOMMENDED, AND IT'S BEEN APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO ALLOW A DEVELOPER WHO'S GOING TO DEVELOP RESIDENTIAL RENTAL HOUSING ON THE PROPERTY WHERE THE CITY HALL USED TO BE.AND IT'S NOT GOING TO, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO PROVIDE THE HIGHEST PERCENTAGE OF, UH, INCLUSIONARY ZONING AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THEY'VE BEEN ALLOWED TO PROVIDE A LOWER PERCENTAGE AND THEY'RE NOT PROVIDING LOW AND LOW INCOME SUBSIDIZED UNITS.
THEY ARE PROVIDING MIDDLE INCOME UNITS.
AND HERE WE SIT WITH POTENTIALLY 500 OF OUR NEIGHBORS WHO ARE GONNA BE HOMELESS.
AND SO I I AM HONESTLY ASKING ARE THERE OTHER KINDS BESIDES FINDING OTHER VOUCHERS, IS THERE OTHER KIND OF COORDINATION WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS TO MAKE SURE THAT POLICIES, CITY POLICIES AND PRIORITIES GET ADJUSTED? LIKE NOW? BECAUSE WE ARE TALKING, AS YOU SAID, OCTOBER OF THIS YEAR WHEN ALL THIS GOOD WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE IS IMMEDIATELY OVERNIGHT GONNA BE DESTROYED.
AND THE IMPACT, NOT JUST ON THOSE FAMILIES, BUT ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT, THAT THOSE FOLKS LIVE IN IS, IS MIND BOGGLING.
UM, I AM NOT AN EXPERT ON OUR INCLUSIONARY HOUSING.
WE DO MEET WITH MONTHLY WITH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TO TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS AND, YOU KNOW, EFFORTS ACROSS THE CITY.
UM, SO I'M LESS FAMILIAR ON, YOU KNOW, INCLUSIONARY HOUSING AND ANY EXCEPTIONS.
UH, THE CITY DID GO THROUGH A PROCESS TO, UH, READJUST ITS INCLUSIONARY HOUSING REQUIREMENTS ACROSS THE CITY, BUT I'M LESS FAMILIAR AROUND, UM, YOU KNOW, WAIVERS WITHIN CERTAIN PROPERTIES AND DEVELOPMENTS, UH, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT AS OTHER, YOU KNOW, SUPPORTIVE HOUSING PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE WITHIN THE CITY, UH, WITHIN THE COC, WITHIN OTHER AGREEMENTS AROUND, YOU KNOW, PROJECT BASED UNITS THAT EXIST.
YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GETTING TOWARDS THE END OF THIS, THAT WILL BE ONE THING THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IS EXISTING VACANCIES AND WHETHER THOSE, UH, CAN BE PRIORITIZED FOR TRANSITIONS FOR PEOPLE THAT WERE IN EMERGENCY HOUSING VOUCHERS.
UM, YOU KNOW, I AM LESS FAMILIAR ON LIKE THE INCLUSIONARY, THERE ARE MORE STRICT PROCESS WITHIN, UH, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, TAX CREDIT UNITS, UNITS AND HOW THOSE GET ADVERTISED AND SELECTED, WHERE THAT MIGHT BE CHALLENGING WITHIN THIS SITUATION BASED ON TAX CREDIT RULES.
BUT WE ARE LOOKING AT OTHER OPPORTUNITIES BEYOND JUST THE HOUSING CHOICE VOUCHERS.
THAT IS WHERE WE PROBABLY HAVE THE GREATEST OPPORTUNITY.
UH, BUT WE ARE LOOKING AT OTHER, OTHER OPENINGS WITHIN, YOU KNOW, SUBSIDIZED HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES.
AND I, I'M SORRY, ONE MORE QUICK QUESTION.
BUT WE DO HAVE NOW CORE IS IN FRONT OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
IS, IS THIS PROPOSED CORE COMPREHENSIVE PROGRAM, IS THIS POTENTIALLY A VEHICLE FOR ADVOCACY TO TAKE PLACE TO ADDRESS THIS, THIS CRISIS? I MEAN, I DON'T SEE CORE AS NECESSARILY, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY 500 PEOPLE BEING DISPLACED IS GOING TO IMPACT PEOPLE WITH MENTAL HEALTH, SUBSTANCE USE AND OTHER PHYSICAL HEALTH HIGH ACUITY NEEDS THAT COULD BE ON THE STREET.
UH, HOWEVER, THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE, THAT CORE IS GOING TO REALLY CHANGE THE ADVOCACY, YOU KNOW, OR FEELINGS OF SOMEBODY AT THE STATE OR FEDERAL LEVEL, YOU KNOW, TO STEP IN AND PROVIDE FUNDING THE REALITY AS A LOCAL LEVEL WITHIN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY AT THIS MOMENT, BOTH ENTITIES ARE FACING
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SIGNIFICANT DEFICITS GOING INTO NEXT YEAR.UH, THE ABILITY TO GO PICK UP SEVEN TO $8 MILLION OF ADDITIONAL RENT A YEAR IS GONNA BE EXTREMELY CHALLENGING.
SO, YOU KNOW, FOR ON A LOCAL LEVEL TO MAKE UP SOME OF THAT, THAT MEANS WE EITHER HAVE TO NOT DO SOMETHING ELSE THAT HAS VALUE, UM, OR FIND OTHER NEW, UH, I THINK, YOU KNOW, FROM A BUDGETARY PERSPECTIVE AND GREATEST OPPORTUNITY OF BEING ABLE TO STEP IN AND COVER THESE FUNDING NEEDS, IT'S AT A STATE AND FEDERAL LEVEL.
UH, HOWEVER WE CONTINUE TO ADVOCATE AT ALL LEVELS TO SEE WHAT'S AVAILABLE.
IS THERE, IS THERE GONNA BE TRACKING AND SO COULD WE GET AN UPDATE IN SIX MONTHS ON WHAT HAPPENS? UH, 125 HAVE TRANSITION AND THEN SOME MAY HAVE MOVE IN WITH A FAMILY OR A STATE TO A FAMILY MAYBE.
SO SOME THINGS MAY HAPPEN, BUT THEN THERE'S GONNA BE A PORTION THAT ARE GONNA BE HOMELESS.
CAN WE GET UPDATES AS THEY'RE TRACKING TO ALLOW US TO GET THAT? YEAH, I MEAN AS THINGS PROGRESS, THAT'LL BE SOMETHING THAT WE ARE TRACKING AND YOU KNOW, THE HOUSING AUTHORITY WILL BE, YOU KNOW, THE MAIN ENTITY THAT IS HANDLING THESE AS THEY ARE THEIR VOUCHERS.
HOWEVER, KNOWING THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THESE VOUCHERS WERE PREVIOUSLY HOMELESS, WE WILL BE WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE HOUSING AUTHORITY AND, YOU KNOW, IF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LOSE THEIR HOUSING, WE WILL BE INVOLVED IN LOOKING AT WHAT OTHER RESOURCES AND WHAT WE CAN DO.
SO THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN PROVIDE UPDATES IN THE FUTURE ON RIGHT NOW, UNLESS THE 125 POSSIBILITY THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY ROLL OVER THE DECISION ON HOW WE ARE, ARE YOU GONNA CHOOSE, UM, HOW WOULD, WHEN, IS THERE A TIMELINE ON HOW YOU GUYS COME UP WITH THOSE KIND OF, UM, DECISIONS ON HOW YOU'RE GONNA CHOOSE SELECT THE 1 25? YEAH, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE AN EXACT TIMEFRAME, BUT IT WILL BE, WE WILL NEED TO DO IT, YOU KNOW, WELL BEFORE WE START NOTICING, YOU KNOW, LANDLORDS A FINAL PAYMENT.
SO WE'RE TALKING SOMETIME IN, YOU KNOW, JULY, EARLY AUGUST THAT WE WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF, YOU KNOW, FINALIZATION ON HOW DO WE PRIORITIZE IF WE ONLY HAVE 125 TO COVER 500, WHICH IS A REALLY TOUGH DECISION.
AND YOU KNOW, NO MATTER HOW THAT GETS DONE, IT'S NOT GONNA FEEL GOOD IF THAT'S ALL WE HAVE AT THAT TIME.
PAM, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? UM, I JUST MOSTLY HAD A COMMENT I GUESS, BUT I MEAN, THIS KIND OF SAID OVER HERE, I JUST WANTED TO ADD, UM, I MEAN IT'S A GOOD TIME TO DO TRIAGE RIGHT, FOR HOUSEHOLDS, BUT THE MORE I GET INTO LOOKING AT HOUSING AND POLICE AND PEOPLE WHO ARE HOMELESS INTO SUBSIDIZED HOUSING, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE MUCH IN LONG BEACH.
IT'S LIKE ALL IN THE SURROUNDING AREAS, WHICH IS UNFORTUNATE BECAUSE THEN OUR NEIGHBOR, OUR LONG BEACH RESIDENTS, LIKE ARE FORCED TO MOVE OUT.
I MEAN, WE DID HAVE ONE OF THE HIGHEST AFFORDABLE HOUSING STARTS IN COMPLETIONS LAST YEAR AND THE YEAR BEFORE THAT FOUR POPULATION SIZE.
SO I MEAN, AS MUCH AS IT MAY NOT FEEL LIKE THERE'S ENOUGH IN LONG BEACH, THERE'S ALSO NOT A LOT IN OUR SURROUNDING CITIES EITHER THOUGH.
NO, I WOULD UNFORTUNATE, YOU KNOW, WILL STAY IN LIKE, UH, WILMINGTON, SOUTH CENTRAL.
NATURALLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING LIKE SROS, THERE ARE NOT A WHOLE LOT.
AND THOSE OPTIONS ARE LIKE SAN PEDRO, WILMINGTON, UH, DOWNTOWN LA.
ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS AGENDA ITEM? GO AHEAD.
UM, I'M A CURRENT A P RECIPIENT.
UM, SO PART OF THE REASON WHY FUNDING IS GONE IS BECAUSE THE INFLATED RENT.
UH, SO THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA SUED REALPAGE FOR INTENTIONALLY INCLUDING THE RENT.
UH, THE STATE REALPAGE ENDED UP SETTLING FOR $7 MILLION.
IS ANY OF THAT GONNA GO TOWARDS KEEPING US HOUSED? WHERE DOES THAT MONEY GO? WHAT DOES THAT MONEY DO? UM, I'D ALSO LIKE TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION THAT THE REASON WHY FUNDING IS RUNNING OUT ISN'T JUST BECAUSE THE INFL OF RENT.
UH, THIS ADMINISTRATION ALSO BOUGHT BACK ABOUT $2 BILLION, UH, THAT THEY STATED BIDEN WRONGFULLY ALLOCATED TO HUD.
UH, YOU CAN FIND THAT ON THE FEDERAL HUD WEBSITE, UH, IN THEIR FEBRUARY, 2025 NOTES.
UM, THE MAYOR OF LONG BEACH, UM, FOR HIS 2026 BUDGET SAID THAT HE WAS GOING TO ALLOCATE
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A GOOD AMOUNT OF MONEY TO HOMELESSNESS PREVENTION.IS ANY OF THAT GONNA GO TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, HELPING US, UH, STAY HOUSED? UH, AND HOW MUCH IS THERE ANY MONEY LEFT THERE? UM,
UM, IS THERE ANY THOUGHT OF MAYBE TRYING TO NEGOTIATE WITH THOSE LANDLORDS THAT DO HAVE A HUGE AMOUNT OF, UH, ASSISTING RECIPIENTS TO MAYBE LOWER THE RENT SO THEY DON'T HAVE LIKE A TON OF PEOPLE LOSING HOUSING AND THEY DON'T LOSE WHOLE ALL AT ONCE BECAUSE THAT'S KIND HURT THEM AS WELL.
ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WISH TO SPEAK ON THE CI? SEE NONE.
RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE A PRESENTATION ON THE UPDATE FOR THE CITY OF LONG BEACH RENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM AND THE 5 582 EMERGENCY HOUSING VOUCHERS FROM THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
CAN I GET A MOTION? UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ALL THOSE IN ALL.
ITEM NUMBER SIX, RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE THE HOMELESS SERVICES BUREAU QUARTERLY OPERATIONS DATA REPORT.
OKAY, FROM THE HELP OF OUR MOTION MOVE SECOND.
AS YOU GUYS KNOW, I LIKE TO STAND INTERVIEWS, SO, UH, HI EVERYBODY.
FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW ME, I'M NORM NOR I'M THE SENIOR ENGINEER ANALYST.
I DON'T THINK WE'VE GONE OVER DATED IN QUITE SOME TIME.
ALRIGHT, UH, BASED ON SOME STUFF THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT EARLIER, YOU KNOW HOW I LIKE TO ROLL WITH THESE.
BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE ARE, UH, ENROLLMENT.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT FLOW THROUGH OUR SYSTEM, RIGHT? SO I'M GONNA BE SHOWING YOU, UH, A SERIES OF DATA POINTS, A SERIES OF CHARTS AND GRAPHS, UH, THAT DEMONSTRATE THE FLOW IN AND OUT OF OUR SYSTEM SO YOU GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S COMING IN, WHAT'S GOING OUT, AND WHERE ARE THEY GOING, IN ADDITION TO SOME ADDITIONAL REQUESTS THAT WE GOT LAST TIME.
ALRIGHT? AS WE CAN SEE OVER TIME, WE'RE SEEING, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF A, A STABILIZATION OF THE NUMBER OF ENROLLMENTS, UH, COMING IN SPECIFICALLY TO OUR SITE BASED PROGRAMS. SO THESE ARE LIKE OUR MULTI-SERVICE CENTER.
UM, OUR, UH, OUR, OUR ERF PROGRAMS, LIKE OUR, THE PROGRAMS THAT ARE SITE BASED, THEY, THEY'RE STATIONARY, THEY DON'T MOVE AROUND.
UH, AND WHAT YOU SEE IS, UM, SOME STUFF OVER HERE.
I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST, LIKE THIS LITTLE SPIKE HERE OR THIS MOVEMENT UP AND DOWN.
AND THAT WAS FROM, BASED ON OUR TRANSITION FROM HMIS VENDOR, OR NOT VENDORS, BUT, UH, THE INCORPORATION OF OUR DATA INTO THE NEW, UH, DATA SYSTEM.
SO ANYBODY WHO HAS QUESTIONS ABOUT KIND OF THIS BLIB OVER HERE, UM, I, I CAN RESPOND TO THAT WITH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAD SOME COMPLICATIONS WITH HOW WE WERE MOVING DATA OVER.
UH, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE OVER HERE IS SOMEWHAT, UH, EXPECTED.
WE DO SEE LIKE A STABILIZATION, WE SEE A LITTLE BIT OF A DROP IN TERMS OF OUR ENROLLMENTS, UH, WHEN IT COMES INTO THE WINTER MONTHS HERE.
AGAIN, THAT'S PRETTY SEASONAL, THAT'S PRETTY EXPECTED AS YOU, AS YOU CAN TELL.
AND ARE, ARE YOU ALL ALLOWED TO LIKE, RAISE YOUR HANDS AND ASK QUESTIONS AS THEY MOVE, MOVE THROUGH THIS RULES AND ALL THAT? YEAH, SURE.
SO YEAH, JUST GO AHEAD AND DON'T EVEN RAISE YOUR HAND, JUST YELL AT ME, UH, IF YOU WANNA ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS.
UH, SPECIFICALLY, UH, UH, MOBILE ACCESS CENTER, WHICH AGAIN, THIS IS KIND OF A POINT OF EMPHASIS.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE, WE'VE WANTED TO SEE SEPARATELY, RIGHT? SO THE, OUR MOBILE ACCESS CENTER IS OUR, UH, OUR, BASICALLY OUR, OUR MSC ON WHEELS GOES AND VISITS DIFFERENT SITES.
UH, IT ESTABLISHES A SCHEDULE.
AND SO, AGAIN, WHAT WE SEE HERE IS AT THE BEGINNING OF 2025 WHEN WE WERE MIGRATING DATA, WE SEE A LITTLE BIT OF A, AN INFLUX OF INDIVIDUALS HERE, AND THAT'S WHEN WE MOVED A TON OF ENROLLMENTS FROM ONE TO THE OTHER, UH, FROM ONE INSTANCE TO THE OTHER.
SO AGAIN, I'M HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT THAT AS, AS, I DON'T WANNA CALL IT A DATA ERROR, BUT THAT'S JUST KIND OF AN ARTIFACT OF WHAT HAPPENED WHEN WE MIGRATED DATA.
AND AGAIN, YOU'LL SEE A, A SLOW LITTLE DISSENT HERE.
UH, THIS IS RELATIVELY UNEXPECTED.
I WOULD SAY DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS, WE WOULD EXPECT ACTUALLY TO SEE A LITTLE BIT OF A HIGHER, UH, LEVEL OF ENROLLMENTS.
BUT AGAIN, THESE ARE NEW ENROLLMENTS.
SO OFTENTIMES WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS WE'RE SEEING REPEAT INDIVIDUALS COME BACK TO THE MAC AND, AND GET, UH, SERVICES FROM US.
AND SO IT'S POSSIBLE THAT WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS JUST A, A LOT MORE OF REPEAT INDIVIDUALS AND NOT NECESSARILY NEW ENROLLMENTS AT THE MAP.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE MIGHT BE SEEING THIS NUMBER COMING DOWN.
AGAIN, SOME STABILIZATION OF THIS OVER THE WINTER PERIOD.
OUR OUTREACH TEAMS, AGAIN, NEW ENROLLMENTS, NEW PROGRAMS, WHAT YOU SEE IS WHAT I WOULD HAVE EXPECTED TO SEE, I THINK FROM THE MAP, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT OF AN INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF NEW ENROLLMENTS DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS.
AND THEN KIND OF A, A FLATTENING
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OUT DURING, AS IT AS IT GETS COLDER AGAIN, WE'RE SEEING FEWER PEOPLE KIND OF LIKE OUT AND ABOUT ON THE STREETS, THINGS LIKE THAT.AND SO WE'RE GONNA SEE FEWER NEW ENROLLMENTS DURING THE COLDER MONTHS AND A FEW HIGHER LEVELS OF ENROLLMENTS DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS.
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS SO FAR? ALRIGHT.
NEW ENROLLMENT'S BY PROJECT TYPE.
ALRIGHT, UH, I, I THINK LAST TIME I GOT A COMPLAINT THAT MY TEXT WAS TOO SMALL, SO HOPEFULLY THE, THE TEXT IS LARGE ENOUGH FOR YOU ALL AND LET, LET ME KNOW IF NOT, I CAN BRING A MAGNIFYING GLASS IF YOU GUYS NEED.
UH, BUT UNFORTUNATELY SOME OF THESE NUMBERS GOT CUT OFF, BUT HOPEFULLY, UH, THE ASCENDING NUMBERS HERE MAKES SENSE IS THAT THEY'RE ANY INCREMENTS OF 200.
ALRIGHT, SO, UH, LET'S START WITH THE GREEN LINE HERE.
SO AGAIN, THE, THE UNIT OF ANALYSIS HERE IS THE, IT'S A NEW ENROLLMENT.
IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THE GREEN LINE HERE, THESE ARE PERMANENT HOUSING, NEW ENROLLMENTS.
THEY ARE NOT MOVING ABOVE THE 200 MARK.
AGAIN, IF, IF I WAS ABLE TO ZOOM IN ON THIS, YOU WOULD SEE SOME FLUCTUATION HERE.
BUT WHEN YOU'RE COMPARING IT TO THE NUMBERS THAT WE GET WITH THE OTHER PROJECT TYPES, UM, SERVICES ONLY IN INTERIM INTERIM HOUSING, UH, THAT KIND OF JUST WASHES OUT SOME OF THE, THE, THE PATTERNS THAT YOU SEE, UH, WITH PERMANENT HOUSING.
AND THAT'S IN LARGE PART BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A TON OF INFLOW AND OUTFLOW FROM PERMANENT HOUSING.
AGAIN, PEOPLE ARE STAYING PUT IN THOSE UNITS FOR THE MOST PART.
UH, AND SO THEY'RE NOT, THERE ISN'T A TON OF FLOW IN AND OUT.
THERE IS SOME FLOW, UH, BUT NOT NEARLY AS MUCH AS YOU WOULD SEE IN THE OTHER PROGRAM.
TYPES LIKE INTERIM HOUSING HERE.
SO AGAIN, INTERIM HOUSING BEING OUR SHELTER SITES, UH, SAFE HAVENS, EMERGENCY SHELTERS, TRANSITIONAL HOUSING PROGRAMS, UH, THAT WOULD FALL UNDER THIS BLUE LINE HERE.
OKAY? AND SO YOU SEE SOME FLUCTUATION HERE.
YOU SEE A LITTLE BIT OF A BUMP HERE IN JULY.
BUT AGAIN, UH, LITTLE, UH, LESS MOVEMENT WHEN IT COMES TO THE WINTER MONTHS.
SO WHY DO WE SEE A MUCH LARGER RATE OF ENROLLMENTS FOR OUR SERVICES ONLY CATEGORY? THIS IS OUR MULTI-SERVICE CENTER.
THIS IS OUR OUTREACH TEAMS. THESE ARE, UH, OUR MAC TEAMS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THIS IS WHERE WE'RE MOVING OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY.
INDIVIDUALS ARE COMING TO US, UH, WITH REQUESTS TO BE PLACED INTO THESE OTHER RESOURCES HERE.
SO WE JUST GET A MUCH LARGER FLOW OF INDIVIDUALS IN AND OUT TOUCHING THE SYSTEM.
THAT IS THEIR FIRST TOUCH POINT IN THE SYSTEM.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE YOU SEE PEOPLE COMING IN AND MOST OF THE TIME WHERE THEY'RE MOVING OUT AS WELL FROM THOSE PROJECT TYPES.
ONE THING TO HIGHLIGHT ON PERMANENT HOUSING, YOU'LL SEE A FEW AREAS WHERE IT TICKS UP.
OTHERWISE IT'S PRETTY CONSISTENT.
WHEN WE SEE TICK UP TICK UPS, THOSE ARE USUALLY A NEW NEW HOUSING PROJECT OPENING AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF NEW OPPORTUNITIES.
OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, OUR TURNOVER AND AVAILABILITY TO MATCH PEOPLE STAYS PRETTY CONSISTENT MONTH TO MONTH WITH BLIPS WHEN THERE'S A NEW PROJECT OPENING.
YEAH, THANK YOU FOR FOR, FOR POINTING THAT OUT.
SO IF, IF THERE IS A SPIKE IN PERMANENT HOUSING, GENERALLY SPEAKING, IT'S BECAUSE A NEW PROJECT HAS OPENED UP.
THERE'S A MASSIVE LEASE UP FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS AND PEOPLE ARE ENROLLING AND MOVING INTO THOSE HOUSING UNITS DURING THAT TIME.
BUT AS PAUL MENTIONED, GENERALLY SPEAKING, THERE'S A, A CONSISTENT FLOW IN AND OUT.
IT'S JUST NOT A, A LARGE INFLOW AND A LARGE OUTFLOW DESPITE THE FACT THAT OUR INVENTORY FOR PERMANENT HOUSING IS UP NEAR ABOUT 1500.
IS THAT CORRECT? SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UH, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE WELL ABOVE 1000 ACTUALLY FAR, FAR ABOVE 1000 UNITS.
BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, THE TURNOVER FLOW, THERE'S UNITS IS RELATIVELY LOW.
SO I JUST SHOWED YOU THE INFLOW.
WHERE ARE PEOPLE COMING IN? WHERE ARE THEY ENROLLING? WHAT PROGRAMS ARE THEY ENROLLING IN? THIS IS OUR OUTFLOW PROGRAM EXITS.
WHERE ARE PEOPLE EXITING OR HOW ARE THEY EXITING SOME OF THESE PROGRAMS? SO AGAIN, GREEN LINE HERE REPRESENTS PEOPLE WHO ARE LEAVING PERMANENT HOUSING PROGRAMS AND WHERE, UH, THEY'RE LEAVING TO, OR SORRY, THIS IS NOT A DESTINATION, I'M NOT SHOWING YOU WHERE THEY'RE LEAVING TO.
IT'S JUST THE AMOUNT OF INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE LEAVING.
SO AGAIN, UH, AS WE HAD SAID BEFORE, PERMANENT HOUSING, LOW RATE OF PEOPLE EXITING, AS YOU CAN SEE, RIGHT? JUST THE CHURN IN AND OUT IS NOT THAT HIGH.
YOU WILL SEE A LOT GREATER CHURN WITH SERVICES ONLY AND INTERIM HOUSING.
I WILL, I WILL OPEN THIS UP BY TELLING YOU THAT THIS RED LINE IS ARTIFICIALLY LOW, OKAY? AND THIS IS AGAIN, AN ARTIFACT OF THE FACT THAT WE HAVE TRANSITIONED PLATFORMS, WE HAVE TRANSITIONED INSTANCES.
WE USED TO HAVE OUR OWN LONG BEACH HMIS WHERE ALL OF THIS INFORMATION IS COMING FROM OUR HOMELESS MANAGEMENT INFORMATION SYSTEM.
UH, IT USED TO BE LONG BEACH EXCLUSIVE.
WE MIGRATED AND MERGED OUR INFORMATION WITH THE GREATER LA COUNTY HMIS INSTANCE.
THE REASON WHY I'M TELLING YOU THIS OLD, THIS RED LINE IS ARTIFICIALLY LOW IS BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IS GENERALLY WE WOULD HAVE AN AUTO EXIT FEATURE.
INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE ENROLLED IN A PROGRAM BUT HAVE REMAINED INACTIVE, THEY DON'T SHOW BACK UP.
THEY'RE NOT COMING BACK IN FOR SERVICES.
THEY HAVE REALLY JUST KIND OF DROPPED OFF.
WE CREATE AN AUTO EXIT FEATURE FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS.
IF THEY ARE INACTIVE FOR A PERIOD OF FOUR MONTHS OR LONGER, WE AUTO EXIT THEM FROM THE PROGRAM.
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SHOULD BE HIGHER.THE REASON WHY WE HAVE NOT INSTITUTED THIS AUTO EXIT FEATURE, BECAUSE NOT ALL OF THE DATA ELEMENTS HAVE BEEN MIGRATED OVER FROM OUR LONG BEACH INSTANCE INTO THE LA INSTANCE.
SOME OF THOSE DATA ELEMENTS ARE INCORPORATED INTO OUR INACTIVITY POLICY.
WE DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE BEEN INACTIVE OR NOT OR FOR HOW LONG THEY'VE BEEN INACTIVE.
AND SO WE HAVE NOT INSTITUTED THE AUTO EXIT POLICY.
IF WE HAD THIS RED LINE WOULD SURGE UP AND THEN THE TOTAL NUMBER OF EXITS OUT OF THOSE PROGRAMS WOULD ALSO SURGE UP CLEAR AS MUD.
DID THAT MAKE SENSE WHAT I JUST EXPLAINED? ALRIGHT.
AM I GOING TOO FAST? DID I SLOW DOWN? NO.
EXITS TO PERMANENT HOUSING, THAT'S THIS.
SO THIS IS, I THINK THE OUTCOME THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN, NOT JUST THE TOTAL EXITS, WHICH IS WHAT I SHOWED BEFORE, BUT WHERE ARE PEOPLE EXITING TO SPECIFICALLY WHEN PEOPLE EXIT PROGRAMS? ARE THEY EXITING TO A PERMANENT HOUSING DESTINATION? IS THIS A SUCCESSFUL, WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER TO BE A SUCCESSFUL EXIT ON THIS PART? ALRIGHT, SO LET'S GO OVER THIS.
THE COLOR SCHEME SHOULD REMAIN CONSISTENT ACROSS ALL OF THESE SLIDES.
SO IF WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR GREEN LINE, OUR PERMANENT HOUSING LINE, RECOGNIZE THAT THE Y AXIS NOW IS PERCENTAGES.
I'M NOT GIVING YOU A RAW NUMBER.
I'M GIVING YOU A PERCENTAGE OF THOSE WHO EXITED FROM THE PREVIOUS SLIDE HERE.
WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THESE EXITS WERE TO PERMANENT HOUSING.
AND YOU'LL SEE A PRETTY STEEP DECLINE, UH, IN THE NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS, UH, EXITING TO PERMANENT HOUSING.
A FEW NOTES ON THAT HERE IN JULY OF 2025 AND IN OCTOBER OF 2025, UH, WE HAD PROGRAM CHANGEOVERS FOR OUR, I BELIEVE, RAPID REHOUSING PROGRAMS, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
UH, AND THERE WERE EXIT, UH, ERRORS BY THE PROGRAM AS THEY WERE, UH, EXITING CLIENTS OUT.
AND SO THESE ARE ARTIFACTS OF, UH, THOSE SPECIFIC PROGRAMS CREATING ERRORS IN THE SYSTEM, OKAY? WHICH MY TEAM HAS GONE IN AND FIXED.
HOWEVER, IT IS STILL REPRESENTED IN THIS GRAPH HERE.
WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN IS A GRADUAL REDUCTION TO WHERE WE ARE NOW.
SO I AM, I'M NOT TRYING TO HIDE THE FACT THAT THE GENERAL TREND HERE WAS DOWN, BUT THOSE SPIKES DOWNWARD IN THOSE MONTHS IS NOT ENTIRELY TRUE.
EVERYTHING ELSE YOU'LL SEE, UH, DOES REMAIN RELATIVELY STABLE.
SO OUR, OUR INTERIM HOUSING PROGRAM REMAINS RELATIVELY STABLE WITH, UH, AND OUR, UH, OUR TOTAL AND OUR SERVICES ONLY.
AGAIN, THEY ARE WITHIN THE SAME BANDS HERE.
SO THERE ISN'T A TON OF MOVEMENT ON THERE.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S SOME CONSISTENCY WITH INDIVIDUALS EXITING THOSE PROGRAMS TO PERMANENT HOUSING PROGRAMS. QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.
SO WHY DOES GRADUAL DECLINE? UH, SO THE GRADUAL DECLINE OF PERCENTAGE OF, OF INDIVIDUALS, WELL THIS, THIS COMES DOWN TO I, THIS, THIS COMES DOWN TO WHAT'S THE AVAILABILITY, UH, AND WHERE ARE WE ABLE TO PLACE INDIVIDUALS OUT OF THESE PROGRAMS FROM A GENERAL SENSE? YES.
DO WE KNOW WHETHER THAT'S THE MAG MAGA FUNCTION OR IS IT LANDLORDS NOT WANTING TO PARTICIPATE? DO WE, DO WE HAVE ANY, THE DATA AVAILABLE TO ME? I CANNOT GIVE YOU A CONCLUSION TO THAT.
UH, I WOULD, I WOULD HAVE TO HAVE, UH, AN EXTENSIVE ARRAY OF, OF EXTERNAL DATA TO, TO EVEN REMOTELY SCRATCH THE SURFACE ON THAT QUESTION.
BUT HERE'S WHAT WE TEND TO SEE WITHIN THE TWO DIFFERENT PROGRAM TYPES THAT EXIST WITHIN PERMANENT HOUSING.
AND MAYBE IN THE FUTURE WE CAN DIFFERENTIATE THE TWO BECAUSE THEY HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT NUMBERS OF PEOPLE EXITING AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, THE OUTCOMES FROM THOSE EXITS.
SO PEOPLE EXITING FROM PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING TYPICALLY ARE NOT EXITING TO OTHER, YOU KNOW, PERMANENT HOUSING.
A LOT OF THE TIMES IT'S, THEY'RE DECEASED, UH, OR THEY'RE EXITING BACK INTO HOMELESSNESS.
RARELY IT, YOU KNOW, NOT THAT IT DOESN'T HAPPEN, PEOPLE GRADUATE OUR PSH PROJECTS AND NO LONGER NEED OUR ASSISTANCE OR RENTAL SUPPORT.
THERE ARE POSITIVE EXITS, BUT WE SEE THAT THERE IS A HIGHER RATE OF, UH, EXITS THAT ARE EITHER DECEASED OR BACK INTO SITUATIONS OF HOMELESSNESS.
HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, THE LARGE MAJORITY OF OUR EXITS WITHIN PERMANENT HOUSING THAT ARE INTO A PERMANENT HOUSING SITUATION ARE RAPID REHOUSING.
UH, WHICH DOES HAVE, YOU KNOW, DEFINITE IMPACTS ON HOW THE HOUSING MARKET IS, YOU KNOW, AVAILABILITY OF AFFORDABLE UNITS THAT ARE WITHIN SOMEBODY'S, YOU KNOW, INCOME AND
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THE ASSISTANCE FROM THE PROGRAM.UM, A LOT OF THE TIMES EXITS FROM PERMANENT HOUSING FROM RAPID REHOUSING ARE PEOPLE THAT NEVER SUCCESSFULLY MOVED INTO PERMANENT HOUSING.
SO IT'S AN EXIT FROM A PERMANENT HOUSING PROGRAM, BUT THAT PERSON DIDN'T ACTUALLY LOSE THEIR HOUSING.
THEY NEVER MADE IT TO PERMANENT HOUSING.
SO, UH, WE CAN TRY TO DIFFERENTIATE SOME OF THAT IN THE FUTURE, BUT THERE IS A BIT OF VARIATIONS THAT EXIST WITHIN WHAT IS HAPPENING WITHIN THAT PERMANENT HOUSING LINE.
SO SOMETHING THAT I, I CAN DO POTENTIALLY TO CLARIFY IS I CAN CREATE A DIFFERENT GRAPH HERE, WHICH WOULD SHOW THE NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS OR PERHAPS THE, THE, THE SAME THING HERE EXCEPT, UH, BREAKING OUT, UH, OVERALL PERMANENT HOUSING PROGRAM, ENROLLMENTS VERSUS PROGRAM, PERMANENT HOUSING PROGRAM ENROLLMENTS WHERE SOMEBODY HAS OFFICIALLY MOVED INTO A UNIT, RIGHT? SO, BECAUSE THERE IS PERHAPS A, WELL, I SHOULDN'T SAY PERHAPS THERE IS AN ACTUAL SUBSTANTIVE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SOMEBODY WHO IS SIMPLY ENROLLED IN THE PROGRAM BUT DOES NOT ACTUALLY HAVE A PERMANENT UNIT TO RESIDE IN VERSUS SOMEBODY WHO IS ENROLLED IN THE PROGRAM AND DOES HAVE A UNIT THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY RESIDING IN, SOMEBODY FALLING BACK INTO HOMELESSNESS.
THERE, THERE'S A DIFFERENT STORY BETWEEN THOSE TWO.
AND SO THEIR, THEIR VALUATION IS PERHAPS DIFFERENT THAN, THAN THEY ARE COMBINED HERE.
HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE, UH, HOUSING PROGRAM.
ARE THERE ANY, LIKE, SORRY, WAS GONNA SAY PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE ONCE HE GOES THROUGH THE PRESENTATION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMITTEE? ALRIGHT, REFERRALS.
WE CAN DO, UH, SAME ISSUES HAPPENED HERE.
WE ONLY REALLY OPENED UP THE COMMUNITY.
YOU, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT MY XAXIS HERE IS, IS UH, CUT OFF COMPARED TO THE LAST ONE, UH, ARE BECAUSE AGAIN, THE MERGER, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
UH, I DON'T WANNA USE THAT AS AN EXCUSE ALL THE TIME, BUT I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA DO THAT RIGHT NOW.
I'M GONNA DEFEND MYSELF BY SAYING WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY INSTITUTE THE NEW COMMUNITY Q INTO THE NEW HI ASSISTANCE UNTIL JUNE.
ALRIGHT, SO, UH, AND THAT'S ONE, ALSO ONE REASON WHY THIS SPIKE IS MASSIVE, RIGHT? LIKE, IT GOES FROM NOTHING TO A HUGE SPIKE AND THEN IT GOES DOWN.
BUT THAT'S BECAUSE WHAT WE WERE TAKING WERE ALL OF THE REFERRALS THAT WE HAD ACCUMULATED OVER THE PERIOD OF TIME WHERE WE WERE NOT, WHERE WE DIDN'T HAVE AN OPEN COMMUNITY QUEUE.
AND BY THE WAY, COMMUNITY QUEUE, MEANING, UH, THE LIST OF INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE WAITING FOR LIKE, SHELTER AND HOUSING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THE QUEUE, UH, WE CALL IT A COMMUNITY QUEUE IN THE SYSTEM.
AND SO, ALRIGHT, UH, DEFINITIONS ASIDE, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THIS BIG BUMP HERE.
WE WERE, WE WERE KIND OF BACKLOGGED, AND SO WE WERE, WE WERE GETTING RID OF THAT BACKLOG, WHICH IS WHY YOU SEE THESE HIGH NUMBERS HERE.
I WOULD SAY THAT, UH, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS, UH, MORE INDICATIVE OF REALITY OR MORE INDICATIVE OF OUR, OUR CONSTANT FLOW, UH, INTO THE SYSTEM, RIGHT? SO, UH, YOU'LL SEE THREE DIFFERENT COLORS HERE.
AGAIN, I'M TRYING TO KEEP PERMANENT HOUSING AS A GREEN LINE HERE, BUT IN ESSENCE, WE HAVE THREE DIFFERENT LISTS, THREE DIFFERENT, UH, LINES IN WHICH PEOPLE ARE WAITING FOR TO BE MATCHED TO RESOURCES.
UH, WE HAVE, AND SO THIS Y AXIS HERE IS THE NUMBER OF REFERRALS, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE EXPRESSED INTEREST GOT ASSESSED AND THEN HAD THAT ASSESSMENT PLACED ON OUR, OUR LIST SO THAT WE CAN SCORE THEM AND SAY LIKE, YES, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE A, YOU KNOW, A HIGH VULNERABILITY SCORE.
WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND, AND TRY TO PLACE YOU, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO MATCH YOU.
OKAY? SO THESE, UH, THIS GRAPH HERE REPRESENTS THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO WERE REFERRED TO THOSE LISTS, RIGHT? UH, GREEN LINE HERE IS FOR HOUSING.
YOU MAY BE SURPRISED THAT THAT LINE IS LOWER THAN THE OTHER ONES.
AND ONE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE THIS ASSESSMENT IS INCREDIBLY LONG, INCREDIBLY DETAILED.
IT TAKES A VERY LONG TIME TO ASSESS, UH, AN INDIVIDUAL, UH, FOR THEIR INTEREST IN HOUSING.
AND SO OFTENTIMES, UH, PEOPLE ARE, UH, DISSUADED BY THE LENGTH OF THAT ASSESSMENT.
UH, AND SO THERE ARE FEWER SPECIFIC REFERRALS TO THE HOUSING QUEUE.
ALSO, I WILL SAY THAT, UH, THIS QUEUE HERE, THE PERMANENT HOUSING QUEUE, UH, HAS A LOT OF INDIVIDUALS.
UH, AND SO THESE ARE SIMPLY REFLECTING NEW REFERRALS.
AND SO, UH, MANY OF THOSE HAVE ALREADY BEEN PLACED ONTO THE, UH, COMMUNITY QUEUE FOR OUR OTHER ONES, OUR NON CONGREGATE SHELTER QUEUE, UH, VERSUS OUR CONGREGATE SHELTER QUEUE.
YOU'LL SEE THAT THOSE LOOK LIKE RELATIVELY THE SAME THING.
THEY'RE USING THE SAME ASSESSMENT.
UH, AND SO YOU GET TO PLACE THEM ON EITHER QUEUE BASED ON WHAT PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN.
UH, THE RED LINE BEING ABOVE THE BLUE LINE DOES NOT SURPRISE ME.
NON CONGREGATE SHELTER SPACES TEND TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE DESIRABLE THAN CONGREGATE SHELTER SPACES.
AND SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE MORE INDIVIDUALS, UH, BE INTERESTED, UH, IN THE NON CONGREGATE SHELTER SPACES THAN CONGREGATE SHELTER SPACES.
I'M NOT SURE, I'M NOT SURE IF I MISSED THIS, BUT WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A CONGREGATE AND A NON CONGREGATE SHELTER? CONGREGATE SHELTER BEING SOMETHING LIKE, IF YOU HAD A SPACE LIKE THIS AND YOU HAD A LOT OF DIFFERENT BEDS IN A SHARED SPACE LIKE THIS VERSUS A NON CONGREGATE, UH, SHELTER.
HAVE EACH INDIVIDUAL HAVING A DOOR LIKE A HOTEL OR LIKE A ROOM.
LIKE A, LIKE A MOTEL, UH, LIKE A MOTEL ROOM WHERE YOU HAVE A DOOR THAT IS YOURS, THIS IS YOUR ROOM, RIGHT? AND SO AGAIN, THAT'S UNSURPRISING THEN THAT THE NON CONGREGATE SHELTER SPACES ARE JUST A BIT MORE DESIRABLE THAN A CONGREGATE SPACE FOR INDIVIDUALS LOOKING FOR SHELTER, RIGHT? AND
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SO THEN WE WOULD SEE THOSE REFERENCES AS REFERRALS IN THIS PATTERN HERE.I THINK THAT THAT REPRESENTS MY EXPECTATION.
SO WHAT WAS THE AVERAGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY QUEUE OVER THIS PERIOD OF TIME AND THE AVERAGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WAITING FOR EACH OF THESE TYPES OF SHELTER? UH, WELL OVER.
YEAH, LET ME, I, LET ME DO THE MATH HERE.
UH, LET'S JUST TAKE OUR CONGREGATE SHELTER QUEUE AS AN EXAMPLE HERE.
YOU COULD JUST ADD STRAIGHT ACROSS AND THAT WILL BE YOUR NUMBER, UH, FOR THE INDIVIDUALS HERE.
NOT AN AVERAGE, OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE THE AVERAGE IS GONNA BE ARTIFICIALLY LOWER HERE BECAUSE THIS IS JUST THE NUMBER OF BACKLOG PEOPLE THAT WE PUT ON.
BUT YEAH, WE DO THE MATH HERE.
500 PLUS FOUR 50 MAKES NINE 50 PLUS 211, 50 PLUS ANOTHER 213 50.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND JUST ROUND UP 200, 200, 200, 200.
WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE, BUT PEOPLE DO GET ENROLLED, SO, I'M SORRY, BUT PEOPLE DO ENROLL, SO, OH, THAT'S, THAT'S ACTUALLY A GOOD POINT.
SO, WELL, I, I'M SAYING THESE ARE THE NUMBER OF REFERRALS.
I'M NOT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ARE MATCHED AND WERE HOUSED IN ADDITION TO THE FACT THAT SOME OF THESE REFERRALS WOULD EXPIRE HAD WE INSTITUTED OUR AUTO EXIT FEATURE.
SO YOU'RE RIGHT, I I, I'M OVERESTIMATING THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE HERE, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, WE GOT TO ABOUT 1300 RELATIVELY QUICKLY.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE WELL OVER A THOUSAND ON EACH QUEUE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO I WILL SAY, UM, I CAN GET YOU THAT NUMBER ONCE THAT DATA ELEMENT THAT I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IS INPUT INTO THE NEW INSTANCE.
SO THEIR REFERRALS TO THE COMMUNITY QUEUE ACT IN THE SAME WAY THAT LIKE AN ENROLLMENT WOULD, IF THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ACTIVE IN THE SYSTEM OR THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ACTIVELY LIKE CHECKING IN, UH, WITH THEIR CASE MANAGER OR ANOTHER PROGRAM, THEN THE REFERRAL WILL ALSO EXPIRE OFF THE COMMUNITY QUEUE.
UH, AND SO THAT WILL, THAT WILL GET US A RUNNING AVERAGE ONCE WE GET THAT AUTO EXIT FEATURE BACK UP AND RUNNING.
ALRIGHT, SO THAT'S MY INFLOW OUTFLOW AND LIKE HOW WE'RE GETTING PEOPLE ATTEMPTING TO CONNECT THEM TO RESOURCES.
THE NEXT SLIDE THAT I HAVE, UH, IT DOES NOT COVER INFLOW OUTFLOW.
THIS WAS A SPECIFIC REQUEST FROM, FROM A, A MEMBER OF THIS COMMITTEE, WHICH WAS TO TAKE A LOOK AT, UH, KIND OF GET A VISUAL REPRESENTATION OF WHERE INDIVIDUALS ARE.
UH, AND SO THIS HERE IS A HEAT MAP OF OUTREACH ENGAGEMENTS.
AGAIN, I GAVE YOU ENROLLMENT INFORMATION ON OUTREACH.
YOU HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF YOU FOR ALL OF OUR FIELD-BASED THINGS LIKE OUR MAP, OUR OUTREACH, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GETTING.
THIS IS A, SO THIS HEAT MAP HERE REPRESENTS, UH, CURRENT LIVING SITUATIONS.
WHAT THAT IS, IS WHEN OUR CASE MANAGERS, OUR OUTREACH WORKERS GO OUT INTO THE FIELD AND THEY'RE HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH AN INDIVIDUAL EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS, THEY'RE ASKING THEM SOME QUESTIONS.
ONE OF THOSE QUESTIONS IS, IS THIS THE PLACE THAT YOU'RE CURRENTLY SLEEPING? RIGHT? SO A CURRENT LIVING SITUATION, YOU ARE LIVING HERE.
THEY PLACE A DOT ON THE MAP, UH, WHICH REPRESENTS WHERE THAT INDIVIDUAL HAS STAYED THE PREVIOUS NIGHT.
AND THIS IS A HEAT MAP, AN AGGREGATED HEAT MAP OF ALL OF THOSE CURRENT LIVING SITUATIONS, UH, FOR THIS CALENDAR YEAR, JANUARY TO MARCH OF 2026.
OKAY? I HAVE SOME STATS HERE FOR YOU.
THIS REPRESENTS 676 PEOPLE, 18 SEPARATE ENCAMPMENTS ACROSS THE CITY WITH 383 PEOPLE WITHIN THOSE ENCAMPMENTS.
I PUT A COMPARISON HEAT MAP UP HERE, WHICH IS OUR 2026 UNSHELTERED POINT IN TIME COUNT.
OKAY? YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THE MAPS ARE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENTLY ORIENTED, AND THAT'S BECAUSE I WAS FORCED TO USE TWO DIFFERENT MAPPING TOOLS FOR THIS.
THIS COMES FROM OUR, UH, THE, THE ONE ON THE RIGHT COMES FROM OUR INTERNAL DATA SET, WHICH DOES NOT ALLOW ME TO EXPLORE INFORMATION TO RGIS, WHICH IS WHERE THIS IS FROM.
SO I APOLOGIZE, UH, IF IT'S NOT PERFECT.
BUT WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS THERE IS A SIMILARITY IN, IN GEOSPATIAL INFORMATION ON WHERE INDIVIDUALS ARE RESIDING WITHIN THE CITY OF LONG BEACH.
UM, I DON'T HAVE, I I HAVE MATH THAT I COULD SHARE WITH YOU THAT COULD TELL YOU THAT THIS IS, UH, THAT THEY ARE WITHIN STATISTICAL ERROR OF ONE ANOTHER.
UH, IF I STARTED TO BEND THESE UP INTO DIFFERENT REGIONS TELLING YOU THAT THE, SO IN ESSENCE WHAT I'M ATTEMPTING TO GIVE YOU IS THIS, HERE IS A COMPLETE SCAN OF THE CITY, OF THE COURSE, OF A SINGLE DAY, RIGHT? FOR THE COURSE OF A SINGLE MORNING, WE SCAN THE ENTIRE CITY.
THIS SHOULD BE THE COMPLETE VIEW OF WHO'S LIVING IN LONG BEACH.
AND THIS HERE IS A TIME LAPSE OF OUR OUTREACH OVER THE COURSE OF THIS QUARTER, UH, OVER THE FIRST QUARTER OF THIS YEAR.
SO, IN ESSENCE, WHAT I'M ATTEMPTING TO SHOW HERE OR
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DEMONSTRATE IS THAT WE DO COVER THE AREAS OF THE CITY THAT ARE, UH, IMPACTED BY HOMELESSNESS IN LONG BEACH.AND THIS IS STATISTICALLY, UM, HOW SHOULD I PUT IT? I DON'T WANNA SAY STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE THAT MAKES YOU THINK THAT THEY'RE DIFFERENT, BUT, UM, CORRELATE, IT, IT, IT, IT MEETS THE STATISTICAL BURDEN, UH, THAT I PUT ON IT, THAT THEY ARE, UH, RELATIVELY WELL, UH, OVERLAPPING.
UH, THE QUESTION, THE BLACK SPOTS ON THE, UH, UNSHELTERED COUNT THIS ONE HERE, WHAT DOES THOSE REPRESENT? SO IN ESSENCE, THE DARKER THE COLOR HERE, THE MORE CONCENTRATED IT IS.
AND YOU'LL SEE THAT I I, I ATTEMPTED TO, AGAIN, TWO DIFFERENT, TWO, TWO DIFFERENT MAPPING SOFTWARES HERE.
AND SO MY COLORS COULDN'T MATCH A HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT I TRIED TO CREATE LIKE SIMILAR COLOR SCHEMES HERE.
THE DARKER, THE ORANGE, UH, THE MORE CONCENTRATED, THE DARKER THE COLOR HERE, IN THIS CASE BEING LIKE A BROWNISH BLACK, THE MORE CONCENTRATED IT IS.
SO YOU'LL SEE INDIVIDUALS, UH, CONCENTRATING THEMSELVES NEAR THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
AND YOU'LL SEE SIMILAR PATTERNS OF CONCENTRATION HERE ON THIS MAP FOR OUR OUTREACH QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THESE MAPS.
A COMMENT THOUGH, WHY ARE WE BUILDING A SIX AND EIGHT FOOT TALL BLOT IRON FENCE AROUND OUR MAIN LIBRARY
I THINK IT'S PROBABLY A QUESTION A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE, BUT BECAUSE WE WOULD WANT PUBLIC TO BE HERE TO COMMENT ON THAT AGENDA ITEM SPECIFICALLY, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL SAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, GENERALLY SPEAKING ON THE DATA WE PRESENTED HERE TODAY? YEP.
CAN I JUST, UH, ASK SOMETHING FOR CLARIFICATION? SO FOLKS KNOW WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE VARIOUS QUEUES.
SO PERMANENT HOUSING QUEUE CONGREGATE, OR THEY DUPLICATED PEOPLE CAN BE IN MULTIPLE QUEUES? THAT IS CORRECT.
PEOPLE CAN BE PLACED ON MULTIPLE QUEUES.
AN INDIVIDUAL WHO IS, UH, CONTACTED BY AN OUTREACH WORKER WHO IS CURRENTLY ON THE STREET CAN EXPRESS INTEREST IN ALL THREE.
I AM INTERESTED IN CONGREGATE SHELTER SPACES, ANY NON CONGREGATE SHELTER RESOURCES, UH, AND ANY PERMANENT HOUSING RESOURCES THAT MAY BE AVAILABLE.
THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
SO THIS IS NOT, THESE ARE NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.
UH, AN INDIVIDUAL CAN BE PART OF ANY COMMUNITY QUEUE AND AWAIT ANY RESOURCE THAT'S AVAILABLE TO THEM.
ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS AGENDA? ITEM? GO AHEAD.
UM, FOR HOUSING, UH, ARE THERE ANY SUPPORTIVE HOUSING OPTIONS AVAILABLE TO PEOPLE? WAS THAT IT? SUPPORTIVE HOUSING.
UNFORTUNATELY, WITHIN, IT'S NOT A QUESTION AND ANSWER DURING PUBLIC COMMENT, SO THEY'RE NOT AUTHORIZED TO DIRECTLY RESPOND TO YOUR QUESTION.
'CAUSE THAT'S LIKE HAVING A SEPARATE AGENDA TOPIC.
SO RUNS F BROWN ACT IF WE START GOING INTO THE BACK AND FORTH, BUT YOU CAN CONNECT TO STAFF AFTER THE COMMISSION MEETING AND, AND HOPEFULLY THEY CAN ANSWER YOUR QUESTION THEN, AND IF NOT, AGREE TO CIRCLE BACK.
ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WISH TO COMMENT? SEEING NONE.
OKAY, STEVEN, DID YOU WANT TO CIRCLE BACK TO FOUR BEFORE WE FORGET? THIRD THREE? YEAH.
OUR RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE UPDATES FROM THE MAYOR'S FUND AND POLICY SUBCOMMITTEE AND THE CONTINUUM OF CARE ON THE SERVICES ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
ALRIGHT, UM, WELL, WE MET ON THE SECOND MONDAY OF LAST MONTH AND WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, AND OUR POLICY COMMITTEE MEETING WAS PRIMARILY THE DRAFT REPORT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU, THIS IS THE REPORT THAT WE ANNUALLY, UH, SUBMIT THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL, WHICH INCLUDES OUR COMMITTEE'S ACTIVITIES, BUT IT ALSO INCLUDES THE POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT COME OUT OF THE POLICY SUBCOMMITTEE AND THAT WE ALL AGREE ON AND EVENTUALLY, YOU KNOW, FORWARD ON.
SO, UH, HOPEFULLY YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE, THE DRAFT, UM, REPORT TO THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.
UM, AS I SAID, IT KIND OF GIVES AN OVERVIEW OF THE MAYOR'S FUND ACTIVITIES, BUT SPECIFICALLY WHAT WE WOULD LIKE SOME INITIAL FEEDBACK ON IS THE POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH ARE ON PAGE TWO.
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CAN SEE THAT THESE ARE LARGELY A CARRY OVER FROM THE LAST TWO YEARS BECAUSE WE THINK WE HAVE BEEN GETTING IT RIGHT ON OUR RECOMMENDATION.SO RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE IS FOR THE CITY TO SET A QUANTIFIABLE TARGET FOR INCREASING THE SHELTER RATE OF UNSHELTERED INDIVIDUALS, UM, BEING PUSHED FORWARD.
THE NUMBER THAT WE HAVE LISTED FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS AND SAID, YOU KNOW, LET, LET'S TRY TO GET TO 60% SHELTER RATE BY 2030.
BUT WE ALSO SAID THAT ANY, ANY QUANTIFIABLE NUMBER THAT THE CITY OR HOMELESS SERVICES SETS FOR INCREASING THE NUMBER OF UNSHELTERED INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE SHELTERED WOULD, YOU KNOW, IMPROVE POSITIVE PLANNING TOWARD THAT GOAL.
UM, SO THAT WAS RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE THAT, YOU KNOW, LET, LET'S SET A QUANTIFIABLE GOAL FOR INCREASING THE SHELTER RATE AS A CITY.
AND THEN WE GAVE SOME EXAMPLES OF DIFFERENT APPROACHES TO GET THERE BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH FEDERAL AND STATE AND COUNTY FUNDING, UH, TO GET TO THAT SHELTER RATE AS THINGS CURRENTLY STAND.
SO WE SAID, YOU KNOW, LET'S LOOK AT INNOVATIVE MODELS FOR SHELTER.
AND MAYBE THAT DOES LOOK LIKE MORE DIFFERENT TYPES OF CONGREGATE SHELTER SPACES, INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, UH, WHERE PEOPLE HAVE ROOMMATES OR THEIR SHARED SPACES SUCH AS, UM, SHARED KITCHENS OR BATHROOMS. AND WE THINK THOSE TYPES OF OPTIONS MIGHT EMPHASIZE BUILDING LIFE SKILLS AND KIND OF COMMUNITY SKILLS AMONGST RESIDENTS.
UM, OUR SECOND RECOMMENDATION, AND THESE ARE DRAFTS, SO WE'LL BE WORKING ON THEM AFTER THIS MEETING AGAIN.
UM, BUT AS, AS WE RECOMMENDED LAST YEAR, WE WOULD LIKE THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY IN GENERAL TO INCREASE SUPPORT FOR EXPANDED HYGIENE SERVICES AND THE CITY FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE UNSHELTERED.
SO LAST YEAR WE RECOMMENDED PILOT PROGRAMS, UM, SUCH AS A MOBILE SHOWER TRUCK, UH, 24 HOUR AT LEAST OVERNIGHT, A DA ACCESSIBLE TOILETS THAT PEOPLE, UH, CAN USE WHO ARE UNSHELTERED, AND ALSO, UM, AN INCREASED NUMBER OF TRASH BINS NEAR ENCAMPMENTS SO THAT PEOPLE CAN KIND OF MANAGE THEIR OWN WASTE AND HYGIENE.
AND SO, AS WE NOTED IN HERE, WE'RE REALLY PLEASED, UM, THAT THE HOMELESS SERVICES DEPARTMENT BROUGHT FORWARD A PROPOSAL TO CITY COUNCIL AND RECOMMENDED PURCHASING A MOBILE SHOWER TRUCK.
THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THAT LAST FALL.
SO, SO, YOU KNOW, COMMENDATION FOR THAT.
UM, AND JUST LET'S MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A, A STAFF MEMBER ASSIGNED TO THAT AND THAT THAT CONTINUES TO MOVE FORWARD.
UM, AND THEN WE HIGHLIGHTED THE OTHER TWO RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL THAT WE CAN CONSIDER.
WE SHOULD PILOT THOSE TWO, UH, HYGIENE SERVICES.
AND THEN, UM, RECOMMENDATION NUMBER THREE IS THAT WE RECOMMEND THAT THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL INCREASE PUBLICITY AROUND THE MAYOR'S FUND AND HOMELESSNESS.
UM, 'CAUSE AS WE TALKED PREVIOUSLY IN OUR HAYS ACT MEETING, UM, THIS COMMITTEE MIGHT LOOK INTO MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE MAYOR'S FUND TO END HOMELESSNESS TO PILOT SOME OF THESE INNOVATIVE PRACTICES AROUND HOMELESS SERVICES.
UM, BUT WE THINK THAT MAYBE THERE ARE SOME STEPS THAT THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL CAN TAKE TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS IN THE CITY THAT DONATE TO THAT FUND.
SO WE GAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS HERE FOR HOW TO INCREASE, UH, FUNDING FOR THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S ALLOWABLE, WE'D LOVE TO GET ANY FEEDBACK ON THESE NOW AND THEN WE'LL TAKE IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE AND PRODUCE A FINAL VERSION OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR YOU TO REVIEW IN OUR NEXT MEETING.
UM, HERE, CAN I DROP UP? MM-HMM
UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER.
UM, I THINK I DO HAVE, I CHANGED JOBS, BUT I THINK I'M GONNA HAVE TIME TO MAYBE REJOIN, UM, BECAUSE I A SECOND.
UM, THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER LIKE THIS.
UM, I LOVE THAT THE MAYOR'S FUND IS IN THERE TO TEST, TO DO SOME LIKE PILOT PROGRAM.
IT MAYBE IN THE FUTURE FOR RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE.
I KNOW IT'S KIND OF LIKE A REPEAT.
UM, AND WE'RE DOING LIKE DEVELOPING MORE OF A CONGREGATE SHELTER SPACES.
IF WE CAN MAYBE ADD IN A FUTURE COMMUNITY SUPPORTIVE HOUSING, LIKE MAYBE INTERDEPARTMENTAL, I THINK YOU MENTIONED THAT EARLIER, TO LIKE WORK PLANNING AND DEVELOPERS TO ENCOURAGE MORE OF THOSE TYPES OF FEELINGS.
UM, I'LL DO, JIM IS NOT HERE, BUT THE, THE MAYOR'S FUND SUBCOMMITTEE DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO MEET LAST MONTH BECAUSE OF QUORUM ISSUES.
UM, WE WILL BE MEETING ON THE 14TH OF, OF APRIL.
UM, AND THEN I DID PROVIDE THE MAYOR'S FUND BALANCE UPDATE FOR, UH, NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER.
WE DID GET A FEW MORE, UH, DONATE DONOR CONTRIBUTIONS.
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HOPEFULLY THAT KEEPS, KEEPS HAPPENING.AND, UM, IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS WE, WE CONTINUE TO GET AN INCREASE OF DONATIONS.
JENNIFER, ISN'T THE MEETING ON THE 13TH? YES.
I GOT THAT EMAIL
DO YOU WANT TO DO COC UPDATES? WELL, WE HAVE, WELL, THERE'S NOT A HUGE AMOUNT TO SAY THAT YOU DON'T ALREADY KNOW.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THE COC HAS BEEN CHALLENGED THE SAME WAY THAT YOU HAVE BY A LACK OF FUNDING AND PROBLEMS WITH GETTING THE FUNDS.
UM, AND THE NO FAULT HAS BEEN DIFFICULT.
AND, UM, SO THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF FACTORS INVOLVED AND, UM, I HAVEN'T GOTTEN AN ANY UPDATE.
WE'RE SUPPOSED TO MEET SOON ON THE CURRENT, UM, SITUATION ON THE FUNDING, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT'S GOING TO BE THAT ENCOURAGING.
UM, WE'VE LOST A LOT OF FUNDING AND THEY'RE DOING THE BEST THEY CAN, BUT, UM, OBVIOUSLY TIMES ARE CHALLENGING.
UM, ONE THING THAT I DID FIND INTERESTING IS THAT, UM, IS THE DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW THEY, HOW THEY AREN'T GOING TO NECESSARILY START ANY NEW PROJECTS BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF FUNDING AND HOW THEY, UM, HOW THEY ACTUALLY SCORE, UM, THE DIFFERENT PROVIDERS.
AND I AM, I'M ENCOURAGED BY THE FACT THAT THEY, THEY DO HAVE A VERY, UM, WHAT I BELIEVE TO BE A VERY, UM, SENSIBLE WAY OF SCORING AND THAT IT IS WELL THOUGHT OUT.
UM, ONE OF THE INTERESTING THINGS THAT I HEARD REALLY ACTUALLY DIDN'T, THAT PERTAINS DIRECTLY TO WHAT WE TALK ABOUT IN THIS COMMITTEE IS ACTUALLY CAME AS A COMMENT FROM THE PUBLIC THAT THEY THINK THAT, UH, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SHOULD BE PROVIDED IS SOME WAY, UH, FOR THE HOMELESS PEOPLE TO STORE THEIR VALUABLES STORE WHAT THEY HAVE.
I THINK IT WOULD BE AN INTERESTING AND VERY USEFUL PROJECT TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE SOME KIND OF STORAGE FOR THEM.
BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD IMPLEMENT IT.
HONESTLY, IT IS A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE HALF OF THEIR HALF OF THEIR TIME IS SPENT TRYING TO HOLD ON TO THE FEW VALUABLES THAT THEY ALREADY OWN AND HAVING THEM TAKEN AWAY CONTINUOUSLY.
BUT, UM, HONESTLY, I, I CAN'T SPEAK ABOUT HOW THAT WOULD BE IMPLEMENTED.
SO BASICALLY WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IS THEY'RE, UM, MAINTAINING AS, AS MUCH AS THEY CAN THE PROJECTS THAT ARE ALREADY ACTIVE AND REEVALUATING AS THE FUNDING BECOMES AVAILABLE.
UH, IT'S BEEN AMENDMENT SINCE THE COC LAST MET AND THERE'S AN UPCOMING MEETING, BUT MAYBE JOSEPH, IF YOU WANT TO PROVIDE A FEW THINGS, THAT'LL BE, I WAS GONNA SAY, DO YOU WANT ME TO SPEAK NOW WHEN YOU'RE DOING, UH, OKAY.
UM, SO WE DO HAVE A BRIEF UPDATE, UH, AS OF TODAY.
UM, SO, UH, TODAY, UH, THE US COURT OF APPEALS DENIED HUD'S MOTION TO STAY.
SO THERE WAS A COUPLE OF PRELIMINARY INJUNCTIONS WHERE HUD WAS ATTEMPTING TO IMPLEMENT THAT THIS YEAR.
2025 NOTICE OF FUNDING OPPORTUNITY.
UH, FOR CONTEXT, TYPICALLY, UM, IF YOU'RE SAYING A FISCAL YEAR 2025 FUNDING OPPORTUNITY, THOSE GRANTS WOULD THEN START IN THE NEXT YEAR IN 2026.
TYPICALLY, THAT COMPETITION HELD IN THE SUMMER USUALLY HAVE A SUBMISSION DATE OF SEPTEMBER 30TH.
UH, SOMETIMES IT GOES A LITTLE BIT LATER, BUT GENERALLY THE 2025 NO VOTE SHOULD HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTED AND ENDED BY THE END
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OF SEPTEMBER.UM, DUE TO, AGAIN, HUD UM, ATTEMPTING TO, AND I WON'T GO INTO TOO MANY DETAILS DRASTICALLY KIND OF CHANGED THE PROGRAM.
THEY WERE SUED BY MULTIPLE STATES AS WELL AS THE ORGANIZATIONS.
UM, SO THEY HAD, UH, ESSENTIALLY THEY HAD, UM, HELD THAT A PRELIMINARY INJUNCTION THAT THEY COULDN'T IMPLEMENT THE FIRST NOTICE FUNDING OPPORTUNITY THEY HAD RELEASED.
THEY ATTEMPTED TO KIND OF PUT ANOTHER ONE OUT THERE IN DECEMBER.
UH, THAT ONE WAS ALSO, UH, EFFECTIVELY BLOCKED.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THROUGH ATTEMPTED APPEALS NOW, AFTER THE PRELIMINARY INJUNCTIONS OR, OR HELP, UM, THE, BOTH THE, UM, COURT AGAIN HAD DECIDED THAT HUD IS NOT ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD.
THEY'RE ONLY ABLE TO APPEAL NOW ON LIMITED GROUNDS DUE TO HOW THEY KIND OF HANDLED THE CASE ORIGINALLY.
AND THEN THE CONSOLIDATED APPROPRIATIONS ACT ALSO LAID OUT CERTAIN THINGS THAT HUD WAS BEING FORCED TO BEING DIRECTED TO DO, I SHOULD SAY.
UM, SO ONE OF THOSE THINGS WAS AWARDING PROJECTS THAT WERE FUNDED, UH, IN QUARTERS ONE, UH, AS WELL AS QUARTER TWO.
SO QUARTER ONE AWARDS, UH, AND THOSE ARE PROJECTS THAT MAY HAVE STARTED IN FEBRUARY.
AND OUR NEIGHBORS IN LOS ANGELES, THERE WERE PROJECTS THAT IN FEBRUARY HAD NO IDEA THEY WERE GONNA, THE LIBRARY WILL BE CLOSING ANYTHING TO OPERATE THE BATHROOM AND STUDY ROOMS WILL MINUTES BEFORE CLOSING 30 AND THE COMPUTERS WILL SHUT DOWN FIVE MINUTES BEFORE IF YOU HAVE A LIBRARY CARD LONG TO THE WELCOME DESK NOW TYPICALLY EXPIRE AT THE END OF JUNE.
AND SO THE CONSOLIDATED APPROPRIATIONS ACT SAY THAT HUD, IF THEY ARE UNABLE TO IMPLEMENT, UH, A NOTICE IN FUNDING OPPORTUNITY FOR 2025, WHICH DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO DO, TO ANNOUNCE BY JULY, THEY ALSO SAY THEY HAVE TO RELEASE BY JUNE.
PERFORMANCE OF PROJECTS AND TALKING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, POTENTIALLY IMPLEMENTING OR OR BEGINNING, UM, SOME AD HOC WORK GROUPS TO WORK ON THOSE POLICIES TO RESPOND TO THAT NOFO.
UM, SO A LOT OF PLANNING GOING ON.
UH, WE ATTENDED, UM, COUPLE OF, UH, CALLS, UH, RECENTLY WITH OTHER C CS OF OTHER NATIONAL, UH, ORGANIZATIONS TALKING ABOUT THE NOTICE OF FUNDING OPPORTUNITY.
AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE MOVING FORWARD TO, UH, ATTEMPT TO NOW BEGIN PLANNING BASED ON THE 2025 NOTICE OF FUNDING OPPORTUNITY THAT WAS RELEASED IN DECEMBER, UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT'S LIKELY WHERE H'S GONNA GO.
AND WE'RE NOT SURE IF THEY'RE GONNA GIVE US 90 DAYS.
THEY MAY TRY TO, UM, UH, ISSUE A WAIVER AND REQUEST A WAIVER TO HAVE A 60 DAY COMPETITION.
SO, UH, MORE MORE ON THAT, UH, AS IT COMES.
BUT THAT WAS, UH, NEWS, LIKE I SAID, THAT CAME OUT THIS MORNING.
SO, UH, WE'LL BE REVIEWING THAT AS WELL.
AND ALSO IN GOOD NEWS, BETWEEN THE LAST HAYSTACK MEETING AND THIS ONE, I'D FINALLY, UH, EXECUTED OUR CONTRACT FOR LAST YEAR.
SO THOSE WERE CONTRACTS THAT BEGAN IN JULY 1ST, 2025.
SO THOSE HAVE NOW FINALLY BEEN EXECUTED.
SO, YOU KNOW, EIGHT MONTHS BEHIND, NINE MONTHS BEHIND, BUT THEY ARE EXECUTED.
SO NOW WE CAN DRAW DOWN MONEY.
UH, WE HAVE PAID ON A NUMBER OF CONTRACTS WHERE WE DIDN'T HAVE AN EXECUTED CONTRACT QUITE YET, UH, TO OUR NONPROFITS, BUT NOW WE CAN DRAW DOWN AND MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING INTO THE HOLE TO PAY PEOPLE.
UM, ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS AGENDA? ITEM C.
ALRIGHT, SO WE MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE THE HOMELESS SERVICES BUREAU STAFF OPERATIONS AND UPDATES REPORT FROM THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
ALL RIGHT, HOPPING RIGHT INTO IT.
SOMEBODY NEEDS TO MOVE IN A SECOND, SECOND MOTION.
CAN I GET A SECOND? A WE DID FOR THE, OH, SORRY FOR THIS.
SORRY, WHO WAS FIRST? THANK YOU.
UH, RIGHT NOW OUR BUDGET, YOU KNOW, PICTURE FOR FISCAL YEAR FY 26, 27, SO WE'RE ON KIND OF TWO DIFFERENT BUDGET YEAR CYCLES WITHIN HOMELESS SERVICES.
UH, THERE'S A GOOD CHUNK OF OUR GRANTS THAT ARE JULY 1ST TO JUNE 30TH.
AND THEN WE HAVE A CHUNK OF FUNDING, CITY FUNDING, FEDERAL FUNDING, UH, BUDGETS THAT KIND OF GET DETERMINED IN, UH, OCTOBER TO
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SEPTEMBER.SO WE HAVE A FEW DIFFERENT WINDOWS, UH, BUT THERE IS STILL A LARGE AMOUNT AMOUNT OF UNCERTAINTY AROUND FUNDING, UH, SOURCES INCLUDING AT, YOU KNOW, ALL LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT AT A CITY LEVEL.
WE ARE FACING A BUDGET DEFICIT AS A CITY, AS PEOPLE HAVE PROBABLY SEEN WITHIN THE BUDGET CONVERSATION SO FAR THIS YEAR, THE COUNTY, UH, WAS FACING A $200 MILLION PROJECTED BUDGET DEFICIT GOING INTO NEXT YEAR JUST AROUND HOMELESSNESS.
SO, UH, THAT FUNDS A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
THOSE ARE MEASURE A REVENUES, THOSE ARE FUNDING COMING IN FROM THE STATE TO THE COUNTY THAT THEY DISPERSE, COUNTYWIDE.
UH, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS WITHIN THAT.
UH, OUR STATE FUNDING AND WHAT HAS BEEN INPUT INTO HAP UH, OVER THIS LAST YEAR, UM, YOU KNOW, WAS HALF OF WHAT IT WAS THE PREVIOUS YEAR.
THE GOVERNOR'S PROPOSED APP, UH, ALLOCATIONS FOR THIS YEAR WAS JUST A CARRYOVER OF LAST YEAR'S FUNDING THAT THEY ALLOCATED THAT HASN'T GOTTEN EXECUTED BECAUSE THE STATE IS FAR BEHIND ON EXECUTING HALF GRANTS.
UH, WHICH WE FINALLY GOT APPROVED AS WAS MENTIONED IN LAST, UH, OR TWO MONTHS AGO'S MEETING, UH, WHICH IS GREAT, FIRST OF FOUR COMMUNITIES FINALLY APPROVED.
UH, BUT WE ARE FAR BEHIND AND MONEY IS NOT BEING ALLOCATED AT THE SAME LEVELS THAT IT HAS IN THE PAST, UH, WHICH DOES PROVIDE CONSIDERABLE, YOU KNOW, CONCERNS ABOUT HOW DO WE MAINTAIN WHAT IS EXISTING.
UH, SO THAT MEANS THAT THERE IS AN INCREASED SCRUTINY FOR BOTH NEW AND FILLING VACANCIES, UH, ACROSS THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, INCLUDING THE HOMELESS SERVICES BUREAU.
UH, WE ARE REDUCING OUR UTILIZATION OF OVERTIME TO COVER, UH, NEEDS WHERE THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH STAFFING TO GET TO THINGS.
UH, AND THEN LOOKING AT PRIORITIZATION OF SERVICES AND, UH, EXPENDITURES AND IF FOR DEDUCTIONS NEED TO BE MADE.
SO WE'RE NOT QUITE THERE YET, BUT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO REDUCE.
THERE IS, THERE IS REDUCTIONS AT, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE OF OUR FUNDING SOURCES.
IT'S NOT A MASSIVE REDUCTION, BUT THERE IS NO WAY AROUND WITHOUT SOME LARGE INTERVENTION AT A STATE, COUNTY, OR LOCAL LEVEL THAT THERE ISN'T SOME LEVEL OF REDUCTION GOING INTO NEXT YEAR.
SO WE ARE STILL LOOKING AT OUR BUDGET.
LUCKILY WITH MULTI-YEAR FUNDING, UH, THIS NEXT YEAR IS AN AMAS HIT.
UH, 'CAUSE WE STILL HAVE OUR MULTI-YEAR STATE FUNDING.
HOWEVER, WHEN WE LOOK TWO YEARS, THREE YEARS OUT FROM NOW, UH, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS AT A STATE LEVEL, THERE COULD BE SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGES AND REDUCTIONS SO THAT WE CONTINUE TO LOOK AT AND MAKE DECISIONS.
UH, WE DID HAVE TWO NEW HIRES, UH, SINCE WE LAST MET.
THESE ARE SPECIFICALLY, UH, TWO HIRES AROUND, UH, THE UPCOMING RENTAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS AROUND PREVENTION THAT WILL BE KICKING OFF AND HAVE SOME TALKING POINTS, UH, A LITTLE BIT LATER IN THE PRESENTATION.
UH, FUNDING UPDATES, CITY BUDGET, UH, IS JUST REALLY KICKING OFF INTERNALLY WITHIN ITS PROCESS BEFORE IT GETS TO THE PUBLIC.
THAT MEANS EACH DEPARTMENT, UH, SUBMITS THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS AROUND THEIR BUDGET TO THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND, UH, THE FISCAL MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT AND THINGS ARE CONSIDERED, UM, AND DECISIONS ARE MADE THAT THEN, UH, ARE PRESENTED TO THE PUBLIC FOR FEEDBACK AND COUNCIL DEBATES.
SO, UH, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT AND WE'RE, YOU KNOW, HAVING CONVERSATIONS AND LOOKING AT CITY BUDGET, UH, AND WHAT'S POSSIBLE WITHIN OUR CITY BUDGET.
UH, COUNTY BUDGETS FOR HOMELESSNESS ARE BEING FINALIZED.
WE ARE LOOKING AT A REDUCTION OF SOME OF THE FUNDING THAT WE GOT IN LAST YEAR.
UH, WE'VE HISTORICALLY GOTTEN A ALLOCATION AS A CONTINUUM OF CARE.
UH, WE WILL RECEIVE HALF OF WHAT WE RECEIVED LAST YEAR, UH, FOR OUR CONTINUUM OF CARE ALLOCATION OUT OF MEASURE A.
SO WE HAD BEEN RECEIVING, UH, 8.2 MILLION.
IT LOOKS LIKE WE'LL RECEIVE 3.9 MILLION.
UM, THERE ARE OTHER FUNDING SOURCES OUT OF MEASURE, A LOCAL SOLUTIONS FUND AND THE PREVENTION, THOSE WILL REMAIN AT SIMILAR LEVELS, UH, TO THIS PAST YEAR.
SO WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR COUNTY FUNDING AND WHAT WE RECEIVE IN, IF YOU ADD ALL THE POTS TOGETHER, IT IS ROUGHLY A REDUCTION OF ABOUT 25% OF, UH, OUR COUNTY MEASURE A FUNDING THAT COMES INTO HOMELESSNESS AND HOMELESS PREVENTION.
UH, THERE ARE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COUNTY OF FUNDING, OTHER THINGS WITHIN THE CITY AND TRYING TO
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POTENTIALLY MAKE UP SOME OF THE LOSS IN DIFFERENT WAYS AND FUNDING OTHER PROGRAMS AS WELL AS COVERAGE THROUGH COUNTY PROGRAMS. SO AS THOSE PROGRESS, HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE SOME, SOME POSITIVE UPDATES, UM, ON ADDITIONAL INVESTMENTS FROM THE COUNTY, UH, IN THE FUTURE.SO OUR OPERATIONS UPDATE, UH, THE ENC CAMPER RESOLUTION FUND ROUND THREE, UH, FOCUSED ON THE LA RIVERBED, UH, HAS HAD SOME MOVEMENT OVER THE, SINCE THE LAST MEETING.
SO ON THREE 17, UH, OR MARCH 17TH, LONG BEACH CITY COUNCIL APPROVED AN ANNUAL LEASE WITH THE COLONIAL MOTEL.
UH, THE INITIAL INTENT OF THE PROGRAM IS TO HAVE THE LEASE GO A YEAR AND A HALF.
SO, UH, THE COLONIAL PROVIDES, UH, 58 ROOMS. UM, SO WE HAVE FINALIZED THE LEASE AND HAVE, UM, EXECUTED THAT LEASE AND ARE NOW MOVED INTO THE COLONIAL OR HAVE OCCUPANCY OF THE COLONIAL MOTEL TO PROVIDE NON CONGREGATE SHELTER, UH, FOCUSED ON SUPPORTING PEOPLE ON THE RIVERBED.
UH, AT THE SAME TIME, ON FEBRUARY 10TH, LONG BEACH CITY COUNCIL, UH, APPROVED A CONTRACT WITH PEOPLE ASSISTING THE HOMELESSNESS OR THE HOMELESS, UH, TO PROVIDE CASE MANAGEMENT AND OPERATION SERVICES CONNECTED TO THE ENCAMPMENT RESOLUTION ROUND THREE NON CONGREGATE PROGRAM.
UH, SO THEY ARE A SERVICE PROVIDER ONSITE AT THE COLONIAL MOTEL.
THEY PROVIDE CASE MANAGEMENT, UH, THEY ARE PROVIDING MEALS OR NO CITY IS PROVIDING MEALS.
UH, THEY'RE PROVIDING SECURITY, UH, CLEANING AT THE SITE, ENGAGEMENT, AND JUST MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE, UH, BEING ENGAGED, UH, AND THAT EVERYTHING IS OPERATING SMOOTHLY AT THAT SITE.
UH, THE COLONIAL AND WORKING WITH PAT AND THROUGH OUR OUTREACH TEAM, UH, WAS ABLE TO MOBILIZE REALLY QUICKLY AND GOT TO FULL OCCUPANCY ON 3 25.
SO, UH, WITHIN ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE LESS THAN 10 DAYS, WE WERE ABLE TO MOVE AND GET EVERYTHING SET UP.
UH, PATH HAD BEEN THERE PREVIOUSLY FOR ANOTHER PROGRAM.
SO, UH, THEY HAD BEEN IN A LEASE FROM THE COUNTY AND PROVIDING SERVICES THERE.
SO IT NATURALLY KIND OF FLOWED IN.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO MOVE A BUNCH OF NEW STUFF IN, UH, AND THEY WERE ABLE TO CARRY OVER THINGS.
THERE ARE 60 PEOPLE NOW AT THE COLONIAL MOTEL, UH, OPERATIONS UPDATE CONTINUING.
UM, SO I'LL PROVIDE SOME UPDATES HERE AND, UH, THEN WE WILL READ A QUICK STATEMENT.
UM, AND UNFORTUNATELY I'M NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SAY A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN WHAT IS UP HERE.
SO THE CITY HAS MADE THE DECISION TO END ITS CONTRACTS WITH TO SERVE INC, UH, EFFECTIVE YESTERDAY, MARCH 31ST.
THAT INCLUDES ALL CONTRACTS, BOTH, UH, SHELTER, RAPID REHOUSING AND PREVENTION.
UH, SOME OF THOSE CONTRACTS WERE SET TO END, UH, NATURALLY ON MARCH 30TH, UH, FIRST, AND SOME OF THEM WE UTILIZE THE CLAUSE WITHIN OUR CONTRACT, UH, TO EXIT THOSE CONTRACTS.
THE CITY HAS EXECUTED A SINGLE YEAR CONTRACT WITH ONE THREE MONTH EXTENSION OPTION WITH, UH, PEOPLE ASSISTING THE HOMELESSNESS, UH, ALSO KNOWN AS PATH TO SOON OPERATIONS FOR THE FOUR FOR FOUR OF THE CITY OWNED, UH, AND FUNDED SHELTERS.
THIS INCLUDES A BC ATLANTIC BRIDGE COMMUNITY, UH, PROJECT HOME KEY AT 1725 LONG BEACH BOULEVARD, WHICH USED TO BE THE BEST WESTERN, UH, 7 0 2 WEST ANAHEIM, UH, WHICH USED TO BE THE LONG BEACH RESCUE MISSION.
AND THEN, UH, PROJECT HOME KEY AT 59 50 LONG BEACH BOULEVARD, WHICH, UH, USED TO BE THE LUXURY INN.
UM, THE CITY WILL BE RELEASING ONE OR MORE RFPS IN THE NEAR FUTURE TO COMPETITIVELY SELECT AN ONGOING OPERATIONS, UH, FOR EACH OF THE ABOVE SHELTERS.
SO THE CONTRACT, UH, WITH PATH BECAUSE OF HOW IT WAS DONE, IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'LL BE LOOKING TO CARRY, UH, LONG TERM.
UH, BUT WAS A DECISION TO ENSURE THAT OPERATIONS AT THESE SITES AS CONTRACTS WITH FIRST TO SERVE ENDED, UH, WE'RE STILL IN BEING MAINTAINED.
UH, AND RIGHT NOW DUE TO THE SITUATION, UH, I CANNOT SPEAK MORE ON THIS AT THE MOMENT, BUT THE CITY WILL BE RELEASING INFORMATION WITHIN THE NEXT DAY OR SO THAT WILL PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE ABOUT, UH, WHAT IS, WHERE WE'RE AT, UH, WHAT HAS OCCURRED, AND,
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UH, SOME OF THE REASONING BEYOND THE, AS TO WHY WE HAVE MADE THAT SWITCH.UM, SO, UH, UNFORTUNATELY CAN'T ANSWER A WHOLE LOT AROUND THAT, UH, BEYOND WHAT'S OUT THERE, 59 50, WE HAD SOME UPDATES AROUND ISSUES AND THEN ANY UPDATES ON THAT RELATED TO THIS.
SO AS PEOPLE MAY HAVE SEEN, UH, OF A SOCIAL MEDIA POST, UH, THAT INCLUDED SOMEBODY AS WELL AS, UM, OH, THERE'S AN EVENT.
UM, INTEREST IS AROUND GETTING IT FILLED, CORRECT CLIENTS.
SO THE, THERE'S A SOCIAL MEDIA VIDEO OUT THERE THAT SOME PEOPLE MAY HAVE SEEN, MAY NOT HAVE SEEN.
UH, THAT DOES IDENTIFY IF YOU HOLD THAT DOWN FIVE MINUTES BEFORE CLOSING, THE BATHROOMS IN STUDY ROOMS ARE NOW CLOSED.
IF YOU'RE CHECKING OUT ANY ITEMS OR PRINTING, PLEASE DO SO NOW.
TRYING TO END BEFORE SIX, HUH.
UM, SO, UH, REGARDING OCCUPANCY THERE, UH, SOME STATEMENTS MAY BE BY THE FOR BURNER PROGRAM MANAGER WITH FIRST TO SERVE AT THAT SITE.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A LOW OCCUPANCY THERE, UH, THAT IS THE REALITY AND THAT IT WILL BE ADDRESSED.
UH, WE ARE WORKING WITH PAT, OUR PLAN IS TO FILL ALL ROOMS THAT ARE AVAILABLE, UH, AND READY TO GO NEXT WEEK IN COORDINATION WITH PAT.
SO, UH, RIGHT NOW THERE ARE A LOT OF VACANT ROOMS THERE.
IT'S ABOUT 25% OCCUPANCY, A LITTLE BIT LOW BELOW THAT, UH, OUR PLAN IS TO GET THAT FILLED QUICKLY.
PATH IS ON BOARD, UH, AND WE WILL BE WORKING, UH, BETWEEN OUR TWO, UH, WITH OUR OUTREACH TEAM AND PATH TO GET EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE OVER THERE AND OCCUPIED.
UH, WAS THOSE, UH, PROPERTIES THAT YOU HAVE ON, ON THE BOARD SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED, WERE THOSE, UM, MANAGED BY FIRST TO SERVE, CORRECT.
AND THAT INCLUDES THE ONE ON LONG BEACH BOULEVARD UP HERE, CORRECT.
THAT'S, UH, 59 50 LONG BEACH BOULEVARD.
I'D JUST LIKE TO REMIND YOU THAT I'M STILL WAITING FOR A TOUR AND LIKE, AS I HAD REFERENCED LAST MONTH OR THE LAST TIME WE MET, UM, THAT THERE WERE SOME ONGOING CONCERNS AS PATH GETS IN, I KNOW THIS WAS A, WE CAN WORK ON, THIS IS ONE GETTING YOU A MEETING.
SO NOW THAT THIS IS SETTLED, THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD ON THAT.
LET'S, LET'S LET PATH GET SETTLED FOR A WEEK HERE.
AND THEN I WORK ON GETTING YOU A TOUR AND WHO YOU BE PROVIDING US UPDATES.
UM, MAYBE EMAILS OR WOULD IT, WHERE WILL WE GET THE UPDATES ON WHAT YOU JUST SPOKE ABOUT? SO WE WILL PROVIDE UPDATES, BUT WE ARE ALSO BEING TOLD THAT, UH, WITH AN EVENT COMING UP AND THAT THEY NEED TO SET UP FOR WITHIN THE LIBRARY, UH, THAT WE NEED TO VACATE THIS ROOM.
SO WE DO NEED TO COME TO AN END AND UNFORTUNATELY NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO COMPLETE FULLY COMPLETE, UM, THE REPORT.
CAN I GET A MOTION TO MOVE AGENDA? I AGENDA ITEM EIGHT TO OUR NEXT MEETING? YES.
CAN WE APPROVE WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED? SIR, CAN I GET A SECOND? SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR OF MOVING INTO OUR NEXT MEETING.
ANY OPPOSED? IS ANYONE HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT ITEM OPPOSED FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON NON AGENDA? OKAY, WE'LL DO THAT RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO THAT, THAT, DID WE FINISH THE VOTE THERE? YES.
SO LET'S DO, UM, A MOTION TO TABLE NUMBER EIGHT ON OUR AGENDA.
JUST, OH, I THOUGHT THAT WAS SEVEN.
PUBLIC COMMENT ON ANY IZED ITEM, TRY DO IT IN TWO MINUTES.
UM, MY NAME IS NATALIE AND I LIBRARY TONIGHT.
JEWISH FAMILIES AROUND THE WORLD WERE DOUBTED TO CASTLE SEDERS TO RETELL THE STORY OF THEIR LIBERATION FROM TYRANNY.
THERE'S A REASON THAT THEY'RE TELLING THE STORY OF THE EXODUS FROM EGYPT IS A COMMANDMENT OF THE WAR.
IT NOT ONLY FORCES US TO REMEMBER OUR
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OWN STORY AND PASS IT OFF NEXT GENERATION, IT CALLS US TO BUILD A SOCIETY.WE DIGNITY, SAFETY AND FREEDOM.
OUR DAILY REALITIES FOR ALL PEOPLES ADE SUFFER AS WE DID.
SO THE PUBLIC FENCE THAT'S BEING BUILT LONG AND THE SHORT OF IT IS, THIS IS FULL.
WE JUST TALKED ABOUT WE DON'T HAVE MONEY FOR THE EHPS.
FENCES ARE NOT A SOLUTION TO HOMELESSNESS.
AND I BELIEVE THAT HAYSTACK SHOULD TAKE POSITION AND OPPOSITION TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS FENCE.
AND LASTLY, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THOSE SAY IF SHE KNEW THAT YOURS ORATED IN.
ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON NON-AG ITEMS? SEEING NONE, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO REMIND EVERYBODY WE'RE STILL WAITING ON INFORMATION ABOUT THE SHOWER TRUCKS AND ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT I SUBMITTED.
WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR THAT INFORMATION.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT BY NEXT MEETING, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
OKAY, MS. JOY, I KNOW I CAN'T ORDER YOU, BUT I WOULD REQUEST THAT THAT BE THANK YOU.
WE'RE GONNA ADJOURN THIS MEETING.